S2 E28 | Conspiracy, Cover-ups, and the CIA: Unraveling the JFK Assassination with Steve Fantetti - Happy Hour Holidaze

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Sean Febre & Manny Febre (00:00):
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So, steve, we are deep divinginto what are we talking about
today?

Steve Fantetti (00:44):
We're talking about the JFK files.

We're talking about the JFK files man
and how the CIA and Lyndon BJohnson decided to collectively
assassinate.
Oh my God, the narrative is setAssassinate JFK through the
direction of Israeli operativesin the Mossad.
Oh my God, You're way off.
And not only that, but withinthe JFKK files they also tried

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to poison the sugar cane in Cubato overthrow Castro as well to
incite a revolution.
There's a lot to cover here.
One of several things.
I'm not sure if Manny has readany of the JFK files.
Chad GBT's gonna tell meanything.

I need to know what do you think he just used
to give us that?
No, bro, how do you memorizethat shit?
He took a right turn to Mossadout of nowhere.

Which one's my camera there?

is documents about the Israelis.

I've only read several thousands.
Are we covering that?
You have a book coming out.

Okay, should we even see that, because I didn't
know at first.
No, I appreciate you bringingthat up.
The book is done, it is beingedited and then it's going to
publish.

And what is the book about?
The book is about, if you wantto say it yeah, okay, I'll get
brief and you wrote it on thegrassy knoll.
I wrote part of it while I wason it and then it disappeared
For real.
I had to, For real and Isurvived.

I was just there in January to finish it up.

What happened to everything you wrote
on the grassy knoll was notsaved properly.
Sean couldn't recover it, bythe way.

I tried everything, no one could have
recovered it, but it was greatbecause I got to write again
from scratch.
With having the base was stillsaved.
But the uh enhancements I callthem to the story that I wrote
when I was in dallas in januarywere really good.
But they were gone yep, 36hours of writing down the drain,
but I started again and that'swhy it's done later but, my goal
was to be done by this by thistime in March.

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So it's pretty well worked out.
So it's being edited and thenit's good it's about.
It's not good, it's better.
I agree it's a well.
It's for the people to decidewho read it.

When it gets out kids, that um oh,
you want to talk about your bookyeah, let's just say that they
end up.

I won't get all the details, but they, you know.
Actually I'll do it this way.
How about a synopsis?
I'll keep it very brief, solet's just say that I've seen a
lot of images, pictures, photos,videos, um, that looks like
people got another view thanjust the zapruder film.
Right, you guys know who,abraham Zapruder was he got the
main film that showed Kennedy'sshots.

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So I feel like someone else gotanother vantage point and it was
never shown to the public.
And if it was able to be foundthat someone had that video,
what would happen to them?
And would that video see thelight of day?
And if that video did see thelight of day and expose the
whole thing how it really wentdown, what would happen to our

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republic?
Could the public handle it?
Would it cause more distrust ofthe government?
Because the distrust of thegovernment right now is actually
at an all-time high than it'sever been in the history of the
United States.

Sean Febre & Manny Fe (03:34):
According to who?

According to everybody who in any poll has
asked that question.
You can look it up, right now Idon't know.

It's like the most transparent it's
ever been.

No, I think it's just starting to get that way,
even though I think the documentrelease doesn't really give you
everything.
It's not as transparent asthey're making it seem.

Like the Epstein list.

That's one that I'm, that's my point.
All this stuff getting releasedand we're not really anywhere.

Sean Febre & Manny Febr (03:57):
They're not going to do it.
You know what?
Because they're going to die.

There's transparency coming forward at
least, which is nice that Trumpis releasing them.
But the question that I careabout is are we going to get the
answers that we want to solvethese mysteries?
And I don't think we're evergoing to do it.
My book just gets into a partwhere, if this information did
get out, what would happen?
How do the American people takeit?

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Can move on from this.
The point that I like abouttrump really talking about he
was assassinated in the 60s,right, correct?
1963, yeah, and so we stillhaven't moved on.
Well, that's my point.
And so to be an open, freesociety and to get the level of
trust in the government backfrom the american people where
it should be, do we need tocleanse and I think trump might
be thinking that way cleansethese items out here that are,
you know, secrecy.
Let the American people knowwhat really happened, and then
can they now move on and we canstart functioning in a way where
those things are things of thepast and we don't let that

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happen anymore and we won't letit happen and we're a better
society because of it, or is itgoing to be the inverse, a total
collapse?
And I talk about these thingsin my book and I think it's
going to be a good book forpeople who want to read and, of
course, when the JFK slash needsinvolve.
It's great and it's coolbecause there's a part in the
book I don't mind talking aboutwhere these guys have a vantage
point.
They create a certain kind ofcamera that didn't exist back
then in that time and they'reable to capture.

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I basically say the way I thinkit would have went down with
more than one shooter.

You know what I like, steve Also,
just when they released thefiles you were about to release
your book.
It couldn't be a better timingto be an all-time bestseller in
a Netflix movie, mr SteveVantetti.
And now we're going to move theresume to Steve Vantetti Off of

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LinkedIn.

Back to Indy.

Damn it.
So I guess off of linkedin backto indy.
So so I guess you know youmentioned the multiple shooter
standpoint that you have in yourbook, and within the files they
claim that there's between sixto nine shooters, but not all of
them took a shot.

So, okay, I'm glad you said this.
Even though we're getting wayahead, this is actually not bad.
So where did you think?
Because this is this is what Iwant you to answer for me,
because I I've reviewed a lot ofdocuments in this thing.
I've reviewed all 80 000 yetand I think it'll take a year or
more because you have to dothat like spaghetti plot thing
where it's like you got that redstring, you have that board up
and you're connecting things ifyou can't do that in 24 hours.

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I read probably 6 000 documentsso far on my own.
A lot of them aren't evenlegible.
They were typed by typewriterin the 1950s and 60s and scanned
multiple times, so a lot ofthem aren't even legible.
But my whole point is I don'tthink you're going to see, and I
can't make an absolute fromthis because I haven't read
everything I know there's alsodocuments that they won't

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disclose or ones that have beendestroyed.

So we're not really getting
everything redacted.
Which they said it wasn't goingto be redacted.

There is no document that's a smoking gun
that says oh yeah, we hired JeffSmith and Steve Fantetti to
stand on the knoll that day andfire this rifle.

No, there isn't.
So yeah, exactly, and that's mypoint.
So I don't know what you sawabout 6ix9ine shooting, but
there is.
But there are documents allegesthat there was a person I
forget the guy's name within thecia that went to a friend's
house and said hey, listen, Ifear for my life because you're
talking about the underhill memoyeah, okay is that what it is
his name?
And then, he died literally twodays he thought that it would.

He said he literally there's been a lot of
players within the cia, that'sjust one of the used to work in
the cia and he said I thinkthere's actors within the cia
that had something to do withthis.

Well, he didn't say I think he says I
know so allegedly, and so Idiffer anyway he ends up dead.

Less than six months later he's found in his
apartment with a gunshot overhis left ear no, right ear, and
it's called suicide.
And it's called suicide andguess what.
When they find his body, guesswhat?
The gun is in his right hand,but he's left-handed.
So why would that happen?
It clearly shows it wasprobably they didn't pay
attention to the fact that hewas left-handed.

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And if he's a left-handed guyhe wouldn't have went like this
to kill himself.
He probably would have wentthis way no-transcript.

Watch that movie shooter with mark
walbert that movie.
What a great okay so do youremember when, uh, michael pena
is being set up, and they puthim in the contraption and they
got his service pistol and they,they have it all set up to
about, and then Mark Wahlberg.

So was he fired?
Yeah, he was sniping from adistance in that barn, so do you
think that contraption isactually real?

And maybe they use it, maybe they
use it on him, that guy backthen the contraption did not
exist back then.
Come on, bro, it's not reallythat hard to make that
contraption.

First of all, it's pretty easy.
That's true, I'm not anengineer, but I will tell you
this In the 1960s you're goingto have to ship that thing to
this guy's apartment, put it inhis apartment, set it up, get
him hanging there, then do it,then bring the contraption out,
and no one's seeing you.
That doesn't sound realistic.

The CIA can make it disappear.

Let's think about it Back in the 60s there
weren't a lot of cameras.
There wasn't no camera phones.
You're not wrong.

That's a good point so what makes you
think that that couldn't happen?
And then any witness wascoerced into not testifying, or
not even giving or killed you'renot wrong.

It just sounds so how they could walk in his
apartment and kill him like, oh,we just saved a whole bunch of
steps and issues and being seenwith this big contraption that
did not exist in 1960s it wasliterally just something that
goes to his arm.
No, he was hanging.
His whole body was hanging.
No, they were hanging MichaelPeña.
Yeah, that's not what I'mtalking about.
But the thing that had thelittle black thing that cocked
his arm back, it literally justwent around his arm, and that's
it.

It's possible.

It was literally this big You're raising good
doubt that and knowing the CIA,they could have something like
that, which they probably did.

Steve, how was JFK's political
influence in the 1960s?

I mean, it was very strong he wanted government
transparency too.
He was the youngest presidentat the time ever elected.

He fucked Marilyn Monroe.

He probably did allegedly.
Allegedly I defer, Even thoughyou can't defame the dead, so
technically you can say whateveryou want.
That's a new one to law.
You can't defame the dead, sotechnically you can say whatever
you want.
That's a rule in the law.
You can't be liable.
Oh, that's good.

But he's like I avoid a lot of jail
time.
So Michael Jackson did rape allthose kids.

So he was loved because he was younger, he was
able to connect with the youthmore.
You know he created the PeaceCorps.
People wanted to get involvedReally and you know, yeah, help,
help america be seen on theglobe as doing positive
influences and work across theglobe.
Mary jackie kennedy, who's evenyounger than than he was.
I think she was eight yearsyounger than him.
She had a dog on her too and,uh, I don't know, is that

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allegedly?
I don't know how you know that,but um, okay, no bro, I I
research history as well.
That's got to be a part ofhistory.
I did not research it, butanyway we're getting off topic.
So his influence was greatbecause for a Democrat to win
after having several Republicanwho were the prior President

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Well, I mean Eisenhower was ineight years before him he had
two terms.

World War II general.

Yes.

And then Roosevelt was in before you
told me, a republican won worldwar ii.

No, I would say, a country won world war ii, but
that's a different, differentbut I'm just, I'm stating a fact
here that's not a fact.
There's more than one personthat was involved in the war.
You said a republican.
You said why he was thepresident of the united states
when they won world war iieisenhower was a general roose,
roosevelt was the president andthen Truman actually was
president at the end whenRoosevelt died in office.

Oh, and then Truman dropped the two
bombs as long as a Canadian isteaching you history.
What was?

Truman Was a president.
No, what Harry Truman, oh aparty was in.
I think he was a Democrat aswell.

So Democrats decided to drop
nuclear bombs and Roosevelt wasalso.

I mean technically it was the American
government.
Now, all of a sudden, it's theAmerican government, no.

I'm not saying you're wrong.
What the fuck's going on here?
He?

had his rationale for doing what he did,
but we're getting off topicagain, yeah gaslighter, the
important thing about.
Kennedy is.
At the time he was very worriedand he said he had a famous
speech at American University inWashington DC for a graduation
speech in 1963, in Washington DC, for a graduation speech in
1963.
in June that same year he diedand he said that he did not want
America hegemony to be the waythat America should rule, which

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means that he didn't want like aPax Americana where, like
America's, enforcing theirideals and you know, removing
governments exactly across theworld we're not forcing
Americanism on people that weshould be free in a free living
society and be able to make ourown judgments democratically on
how we want to live, and so partof what he hated was secrecy.
In that speech he also talkedabout the fact that and I think
the CIA had a lot to do with it.

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I'll get into that in a secondis he felt that because we were
fighting all these covert wars,it was making America look bad
overseas Like proxy wars and itwas going to lead to a World War
III?
And he being in World War IIand almost dying and seeing his
friends die and his PT-109?

boat got crushed by a Japanese
cruiser.
You don't know the story aboutthis.
No, I don't.

So he ends up going to war, even though he's
too sick.

World War II.

Yeah, because he was too sick.
Yeah, because he was too sick.
He was like an officer workingin an office for a while and
finally he wanted to fight.
I think they faked his medical.
He had a bunch of medicalproblems.
You can research this publicknowledge.
Back then no one knew he hadlike addison's disease.
He had a whole bunch of problemsI'll tell you, one of them was
an ed maybe allegedly by thepool, so um so at the time he

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ends up being able to get intothe army and he has a bunch of
people with him in this boat.
It's called a PT-109 cruiserboat.
It's more of like a quick speedboat that can shoot guns
quickly as you're going bycoastal areas.
So one night they're on patroland it's dark and this Japanese
destroyer comes out of nowhereand splits their boat in half.

Several men Run straight through it,
straight through it.

Several men on board die.
He survives.
A couple other men survive withhim.
Apparently, this is the story.
Two or three of them couldn'tswim.
He put two or three men on hisback not at the same time, but
go back and brought them to theclosest shore swam.

So he's like a war hero, like won a
medal for this by saving theseguys lives.

I don't know what it could have been like a
silver star, I don't know no,but he had three men on his back
, usually not at the same timenot at the same time but uh.
But it's interesting becausethey end up surviving.
They end up meeting somebodywho can't speak english.
They write on this coconuttheir longitude and latitude and
he says that it's him and hekept the coconut in his oval
office.
He got it framed and put inlike a glass case.

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So he grabbed a coconut shelland wrote that down and told
this guy to bring it.
It was some random villager who, like has never seen probably
americans in his life and tookthat coconut and brought it to
the closest place and they wereable to radio in and they came
and saved him.
So that made him like a big warhero off the coast of japan of
japan, yep and so japanese localhelped americans well, I mean,
it was an island person whohadn't like no, they don't have

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any technology.

It was like they were sitting on
islands.

They had like, just like they're wearing, like
trees and stuff on their bodylike nothing, like no real
clothing.
So it was an island, um,individual and so.
But he saw how bad war was andpeople died.
He didn't want us to get intoother other other wars.
And so, to get to the crux ofof answering manny's question,
is he knew that he didn't wantus to get thrown into another

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war.
So he was purposely trying toavoid going to war with cuba,
going to war with russia,because he knew that would be
next and so he tried to doeverything he could to avoid it.
Meanwhile, in the background,there's actors, deep state,
otherwise allegedly CIA, even inhis own administration.

It's not in documents, bro.
It's not allegedly CIA.
Well, we can talk about thatnext time.

But to wrap this point up, because it's
important to have thisbackground is he had those
forces behind the scenes workingagainst him and obviously, if
he's the president, he should besetting the agenda for the
country, but yet there's theseactors behind the scenes that
are stopping him from doing thatand they're doing things like
the Bay of Pigs invasion andlike there's things that people
and you'll read them in thesedocuments if you look at them.

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It's also part of history.
But, like the CIA, in myopinion, was created after World
War II, was created after WorldWar II not just to be a spy
agency to gain intelligence.
It was run by Alan Dulles, johnFoster Dulles.
They were guys that were inWorld War II.
Alan Dulles was head of the OSS, which is what CIA kind of was
before the CIA was created byTruman in 1947.

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And John Foster Dulles, hisbrother, was Secretary of State
for eight years under DwightEisenhower.
They were lawyers for one ofthe biggest law firms in the
world called sullivan cromwell.
They represent a lot ofcorporate interests across the
world.
Well, they it's believed thatthose guys were making decisions
in the government to help theircorporate clients at these law
firms, because they wereremoving mosadeq in guatemala

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and or in iran and our bands inguatemala um contra wars.
They were well, some of that in.
You see, there's, there'sdocuments.
Well, that was more underreagan, but there was south
american uh influence.
There was also uh theindividual I can't remember his
name from africa that was killedunder um eisenhower's country

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kenya.
I believe I'll get his nameduring the break, but anyway, so
they were removing.
My point is they were removingleaders across the world.
This is in the late 1950s andgoing into the 60s but they were
moving communist and socialistleaders.

Right, it was anything it didn't
matter.

Point is they were moving these leaders
because there was business theywant to do in these countries
they couldn't do.
They wanted to control oil iniran.
They wanted to control likeunited fruit company was a big
company of sullivan cromwell'sclients.
They wanted to control likeunited fruit company was a big
company of sullivan cromwell'sclients.
They wanted to control likebananas and oranges and all
these different things,different businesses, oil coming
out of south america.
So they couldn't get these umrulers were suppressing american

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control in these countries andthey said the only way we're
going to do this is to removethese leaders, kill them and put
our and basically createelections where our guy that we
appoint gets elected.
And they were doing thatAmerican puppet.
The CIA was doing it.
So it looks like the CIA washelping business interests, not
helping America.
The point is is Kennedy catcheson to this and says I want to
destroy the CIA and shatter itto the wind in a thousand pieces

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because it's becoming where.
We've almost like Eisenhower,you could argue.
Basically, you know, delegatedUS foreign policy to the CIA
instead of keeping it in thepresidency.
And all these things are goingon how?
In secrecy, because the CIA isa secret organization, so you
have to have accountability.
You don't know what's going on.
The president can say that andthese things are going on, but
they're creating conflicts thatwill, in the next presidency,

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create strife, which we saw withCuba.
Eisenhower approved the Bay ofPigs plan to go and kill Castro
in Cuba.
Because of the communists beingso close to US soil and having
a relationship with Russia, wesaw that as a threat if nuclear
arms or other missiles wereclose to the Florida coast.
So they didn't want thatrelationship to be strong.
They had to get him out.
Also, there was mafia influence.

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The mafia wanted and hadcasinos in cuba and the prior
leader before castro, batistabatista, thank you.
He allowed us foreign interestsin there to make money.
He was getting huge kickbacks.
Problem is cash row comes andsays none of this money is
making it back to the people ofcuba.
There's only a select few thatare really benefiting from all

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of this.

Please don't tell me Castro was a good
president.

Castro said you guys are out and I'm going to
take this over.
I'm not saying that at all.
I'm saying this is what startedit.
That made Americans in themafia very angry that they
couldn't launder their moneythrough casinos in Cuba.
They couldn't run and havedifferent business interests to
create more money that theycouldn't do in the States,
because the laws were more lax.
They're off the coast.
They can't go to jail Subjectto the same laws.
This was perfect for the mafia,because they're going to get in

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trouble all the time.

That was kind of like how Vegas
started.
Vegas started kind of in Cubawith the shows.
That's exactly what it was, andthe Godfather talks about this.

In part of the Godfather they make inferences.
So point is, when that got out,the US government had no choice
but to say we got to dosomething.
They actually worked with themafia.
I can talk about this after thebreak if you want me to go in
detail about it.
But essentially Castro had tobe removed.
Eisenhower approved the plan.
Kennedy said well, I don't wantto go in and do this because if

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it's us and it goes wrong,we're not going to activate
Russia.
We're going to be into a newpotential, which did occur
because the 13 days crisis hadhappened because castro is
communist and soviet union wascommunist, socialist, yeah,
marxist, leninist too, and theyhad they decided to start.

Yeah, and then there was a 13 day
issue.

In october you got 1962, which, thank god,
kennedy held his mind and wasable to fight through it because
all his generals were tellinghim to go.
Let's just uh attack these guys.
But the point is, the bay ofpigs happened and it kennedy
didn't give air support, like hewas supposed to, so everyone
was stuck on the beach andbasically the um cia helped
train these cuban exiles tofight back against uh castro,

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and they obviously lost.
They're called gusanos actuallywell, operation mongoose, which
, no, no, I'm saying the Cubanswere called gusanos.
Yeah, I'm just telling you thatOperation Mongoose was a CIA
operation to train theseanti-Castro Cubans to fight
against them.
Yeah, and so when they lost, itlooked like Kennedy is being
weak A lot of the generals andpeople that were involved.
Alan Dulles, the head of the.

CIA, you could think Kennedy was weak
.

But these people wanted to continue to be
imperial, to protect theiroutside interests that weren't
American interests, and theydidn't want the CIA to be
disbounded.
And the mafia also said we wantto be able to do these
businesses.
But guess what else happened?
Kennedy and his brother BobbyKennedy, who he made attorney
general, were prosecuting themob.
People don't know about thisstory either, but Kennedy barely

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won the election in 1960.
He beat out Richard Nixon, noJFK.
So JFK wins barely, allegedlythe mafia.
His dad made a deal with themafia to get him elected by
creating false votes in Illinoisto win the state.

When we get back from break, we'll
continue this great story andwe'll also talk about how the
media coverage shaped up theassassination in the 1960s
compared to what the mediacoverage of today shaped it up
to be.
We'll be right back with happyhour holidays.
Thank you for tuning in allright, guys, and we're back with
happy hour holidays and we'rein a very very heated discussion

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.
Well they're not going to hearwhat off camera that?
Nobody heard except for me, andyou guys will never hear it.

I don't know.
I kind of want to buy this.
It's a secret like the CIA,we're not transparent.
You're talking about proxy warsthere.
Happy, that was the argument.
Next, move on.

So, steve, you were telling us a
little bit about the CLIACentral.
Lack of a Talent.

They have a lot the truth from these fuckers.
No, I was just wrapping up thepoint about jf came glad you
said that because you asked meabout how he was viewed
politically.
Let you know that he wanted tohave a more open society and the
secrecy he wanted to end theseyou know, foreign policy actions
that weren't approved by thepresident and like that that
were happening, that he claimedthe cia was doing, and the straw
that brought the camels backwas in fact the bay of pigs
invasion.
And he realized that, um, I'vegot to take control.

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And so he wrote um an action,memo 272 that said by christmas
of 1963 he wanted to withdrawlike 50 of the troops from
vietnam.
He wanted to get out of thatwar, didn't want to do vietnam,
yep.
Then he wrote another memo,arthur slessinger wrote one and
it's in the documents, by theway, the document leak that said
yes, said yes, we will takesteps.

Not document leak Release.
Sure, oh, that's a very goodpoint.
It's not leaked.
I wanted to clarify that it wasan authorized executive order
authorizing it.
That's not a leak.
So it's not a leak, yeah,although arguably God, he's a
lawyer over here, so anyway.

To wrap that point up is Schlesinger's memo
said yes, we can take control ofthe CIA and make it a not make
it a paramilitary type operationanymore.
Where it's in secret.
It's going to be run now withthe authority of the president,
under its umbrella, underexecutive authority.
That way we know what's goingon.
They can't take actions withoutme approving it, because they
were doing all these thingsbehind, like no one was

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basically watching over them.
There was no oversightcommittees, nothing like that
back then.
And so to stop that.
That's what he wanted to do,and I think when he did those
two things either disband theCIA, withdraw from Vietnam and
then maybe three.
The third one is to take theCIA under the US's or under the
executive's control.
That pissed a lot of people offin Washington.

That said, we got to get rid of this
guy.
Why would that piss a lot ofpeople off in Washington?

Because think about what I just told you the
Dulles brothers were helpingcorporate interests out.
It was helping America get intodifferent countries and extract
resources and create contractswhere America businesses could
thrive in places in the world wewere never thriving before.

So it kind of sounds like all these
corporations were actuallyrunning the CIA as opposed to.

Well, that's an argument.
We don't know if that's true.
That's a legend.

Isn't that what you just explained?

I said that's my argument.
I didn't say I have proof thatthat's true.
I said that you could probablyinfer it and when you look at
the documents, a lot of them andfrom there you could also claim
that that's a problem to whythey wanted to get rid of
Kennedy.
Plus, they wanted Vietnam to go.
There's companies I talk aboutthis in my book too, but I won't

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name them on here right now butyou know there's companies were
making jets and helicopters.

Sean Febre & Manny Feb (24:54):
Probably like Lockheed Martin.

And their contracts were down after World
War II and the Korean War waskind of settled and they're like
yo, we need to make some money,so let's get into the Vietnam
War.
And all of a sudden the jets,fighter jet and helicopter
contracts from the US governmentskyrocketed.
Well, people who were involvedin that wouldn't want.
They want to make money, theyneed war.
So maybe get somebody in officewho would make sure the Vietnam

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War happens, which the dayafter lbj gets in office.
Guess what he does?
He signs a memo saying, yeah,we're gonna go full speed into
the vietnam war wasn't that,when kenny said we're not going
in action.

272 memo wasn't that, under the
guise of we need to eliminatecommunism in vietnam?

well of course you have to have that.
Well, the gulf of tonkinincident was made up right,
remember that where they saidthat a boat um full of us
servicemen was blown up by theviet con and therefore that gave
us the right to go into vietnam.
We found out that that didn'teven happen.
So what actually did happen?
That didn't happen so it wasjust a completely fabricated.

That's what they's correct who
published it?

I don't know.
I have to look it up.

I wasn't alive or times or I don't
know we can definitely look itup.

I'm sure everybody did yeah, yeah but um,
so you can't trust media.
Well, I don't know about thateither, but I do know.
I do know this you literallyjust said it.
No, I just you can't comparethen to now.
Yeah, you actually can.
I'm sure the technology isdifferent, the access is
different, the rights to traveland get information is different

(26:17):
, but again, the methods may notbe that dissimilar.
No, no, I know you want tochallenge the status quo, so I
like that now point is is, afterthat part, you have that
conflicting interest now asmotivation because you're asking
well, why would they want toget kennedy out?
You need to know these answers.
That's why we're covering thisbackground.
The last part is well, themafia we had.
They had their interests rightto get rid of kennedy, because

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if he was not going to go intoCuba to force him to remove
Castro and he was againstAmerican interests, there
they're like well, we havenothing that we can do to help
us.
Because I was trying to talkabout this earlier when
President Kennedy appointed hisbrother, bobby Kennedy, as
Attorney General.
Well, guess what happened?
He was prosecuting mob figures,the alleged deal that JFK's dad

(27:01):
, dad who was a big-time oilbaron back in the day and used
to be um in a lot of differentcorrupt businesses, including um
prohibition.
He made some deals with themafia to run liquor and stuff
like that during that time tomake money.
He made a lot of money and sohe promised sam g, g and connor
and a bunch of other mobstersthat if you let my son win

(27:22):
illinois, it's gonna gonna comedown, get the votes out there,
et cetera.
Then I'll make sure BobbyKennedy my son, he said at the
time is not going to.
He'll take it easy on you guys.

How would the mafia ensure an
election victory in Illinois?

Through what I said Ballot stuffing.
False ballot stuffing creatingthey actually looked it up
People who were dead vote inthat election.
Kind of false bowel stuffingcreating they actually looked it
up people who were dead vote inthat election, kind of like it
was found out later.
I knew you're gonna say that.
So anyway, point is is alreadyevident.
They cut a deal.
Well, the prosecutions didn'tstop.
The mcclellan hearings in thein the late 50s were heavy.
Bobby and jfk were both inthose.
They're prosecuting mobsters.

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The prosecutions never stopped.
He actually bobby kennedy um,deported one of the most famous
mobsters at the time.
I don't know if it was samgiancana or another one,
scarface, yeah, they were, but areal.
He deported them out, out, outout of the country, and so they
were pissed about that.
Guess what else people don'tknow?
In world war ii, you know, theus army worked with the mafia.

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They used the mafia to get intosicily, into italy, say find us
the right passages, where arethe nazi strongholds at?
Find us a way for americans toget in.
They helped, they, they, theygave intelligence.
Absolutely lucky, luciano wasthe one that was in charge of
heading that and he was in um,what's it called?
in san francisco they shut thejail down alcatraz let me out

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and I'll give you all theinformation.
Have my guys work for you.
They said, well, we can't letyou out in america.
And they apparently let himback out in uh, italy at the
time.
How did the mafia have.

They were working together.

Oh, they had a lot of power and so I mean, that
was the deal is we've workedwith you before, we'll work with
you again.
So the mafia is mad at jfk.
You've got these outside.
Deep state actors, people inthe cia they're all mad at what
he's doing.
The motivation to do somethingis clearly there, right where's
israel coming to play then?
I mean, I don't, I don't focuson that, I don't have enough
information, I don't feel theyhave any relevance.

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There's mentions in thedocument.
Dump, not leak go ahead.

Well, ultimately, release, release,
release out of everybody, out ofeverybody.
That jfk really.
Yeah, I really pissed off, or?

lost.
Who do you think?

out of everybody CIA, the mob, all
these people who do you thinkwas actually behind the
assassination.

I think it was Alan Dulles, and who was he?
Part of?
Former head of the CIA that hefired.
Oh so it was CIA.
He was old, old school.
Who did he work for?
I mean, he was the guy I toldyou that was working with those
law firms back then.

that played the corporate interest.
That's what.

I'm saying Eisenhower, eisenhower, no sorry
, truman first, and he helpedcreate the CIA.
So the Democrats and theDemocrats.
And there's people who've goneon.
After the Bay of Pigs invasionfailed, he lived in a townhouse
in Georgetown in Washington DC.
In that John McCone, who wasnever connected to the CIA, is

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who Kennedy appointed to run theCIA after he fired him.
After he fired Dulles, dulleswas taking meetings with guys
who were reporting him andtelling him what was going on
every day.
It's like he was operating awhole separate CIA on his own.
They were arguing, I think hehad the most.

This, the planning of this.
We're kind of getting ahead ofwhere I want to go, but the
planning of this assassinationcould not have been done by
someone unless it was at thatlevel.

So if we're getting ahead, how about, uh, go
back on track then?
Sure, oh, where I was?
So if the mob has worked withthe us before the mafia and
feels like they got screwed joekennedy allegedly screwed him,
because now they're beingprosecuted and bobby kennedy's
deport out of the country, thatare mafia figures and they can't
get their interests in Cubaprotected.
They're like well then, thisguy's gotta go.
Problem is, if you say that,well, how do you eliminate

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someone like this?
There's too many people involvedin a conspiracy and you can't
keep everybody's mouth shut.
That's why so many people diedafter this or that were involved
like how did this guy suddenlydie?
This person suddenly died, orunderhill suddenly died.
So there's a lot.
But, like the mafia is knownthat if they're going to pull
something off like this, theyusually kill closely right, like
jack ruby who killed oswald, hedid it up close.

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That's how mafia generally doesit.
To plan a strategic shooting ata distance like that in that
area, and knowing aboutmotorcade roads and how many
secret service men are going tobe there, you needed somebody on
the inside.
That's why, to answer yourquestion, it like you had to be,
so.

Secret service was also involved I
think, the mob.

I don't know.
That's an argument that I can'tprove and I doubt that.
I think that people were makingcalls to the secret service.
Oh, we don't need as many menlike.
There's a part.
I write about this in my bookbecause it's a true story.

I mean , it's pretty fucking wide open,
bro, where he got shot.

There was no talk.

It was literally wide open.

It's a perfect place to conduct that.
And I don't know how theywouldn't have seen it.
There's no snipers, there'swindows open everything there
that day.

Sean Febre & Mann (32:06):
No-transcript they're hammered, they're
giving out seems like the samepeople that were protecting
trump there you go so so ifyou're getting hammered at a bar
, you lose all inhibition andyou start saying shit, you're
not as focused.
You woke up hungover oh no notthat.

Maybe you said something to someone at that bar
, if they knew anything, which Idon't think those guys did, and
even if you said something, youwouldn't have enough time to
make the proper adjustments bylike 9, 10 in the morning if
you're a professional, but Idon't think if you're cia
professional.
But I don't think that was thepoint, I don't think the secret
service was in on it, but youcould make an argument for sure,
especially you could.
So, um, over time, indirectly,over, indirectly, over time,

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these things build up, and sothen you have all these
questions again, which I don'tthink the documents show, which
is well, how did they pull thisoff?
they don't tell you who was thedocuments you reviewed so far
the documents I reviewed so farcorrect and from what I'm
hearing so far, there's no likesmoking gun like that.
But there's positives from thedocuments that we see.
For instance, we haven't talkedabout him yet lee harvey oswald

(33:06):
.
Well, why is this guy relevant?
Well, and I posted one on myinstagram the night that the
documents came out he is ascapegoat.
Well, like they're tracking himin 1950s going to russia, he
was going to helsinki, finland.
I posted a document.
They're tracking this guy.
He was either working for themdirectly or they lied to him and
say, look, you're going to workfor us off books and they're
going to strategically put himin places where it looks like

(33:29):
he'd be motivated to want tokill.
And oh yeah, go buy this gunand do this and go to Russia and
then defect and come back andgo try to assassinate General
Walker, which he allegedly triedto do, who's an old general who
was running for I think it wasthe presidency or governor in
Dallas at the time, or thepresidency as a Republican
candidate an old general andapparently Oswald missed the

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shot and Walker survived.
He was nicked by.

How was he not arrested in that
incident?

Why wasn't he arrested when he came back from
defecting to Russia and cominghere, and not questioned?
He was allowed to freely moveeverywhere, and that's a great
point.
So, this guy was clearly meantto do one of two things he was
meant to be the shooter or hewas meant to be the scapegoat
for it.
I think he was too dumb to beable to pull this off and be a
shooter.
Plus, you can get into thedetails on this.

Didn't he say I'm a scapegoat?
No, he was.

He walked right out of the school book
depository, took a bus and leftand allegedly killed JD Tippett,
which the cop that saw himwalking, which I don't think
that's true either.
I think the JD Tippett killingwas a backup for the CIA guys
who planned this to say, look,if he gets out and we can't pin
the murder on him, we got tohave something to pin on this
guy to keep him confined in ajail cell.
And we'll get him killed.
So we kill a cop to use.
That's what I don't think hedid.
I think he didn't do anything.

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I think he was there that day,obviously, but I think they gave
him a false cover to be there,say, look, watch out for these
Cubans they might try to kill.
Go there, gain intelligence,tell us what you see and at the
end of the day they pinned itall on him.

Yeah.
They're moving him from thecell underneath the Dallas
police department to actuallyget ready for the crime and this
guy somehow was in thecorrectional facility with a gun
.

No, jack Ruby, who was?

a.
I thought he had a gun and heshot him.

He worked for the mob he posed.
I don't know how he got intothat underground basement.

You know how he got in.

You got to buy the book.
Let me see it Called Across theKnoll Right now, unless I
change the title, but for nowit's called Across the Knoll.

So the mafia is 100% into this shit.
They're killing the patsy.
They already said hey, thekiller of JFK has been
assassinated.

What the mafia you mean?

Yeah, Well, I think the mafia was in
on it where I think the mafiaand guys with the deep state
actors.

well, yeah, I think they worked together and
they kind of spliced up dutieslike what are you good at versus
what are we good at, like theCIA, and deep state guys
probably said look, we're ableto get the shooters in here that
can really shoot well fromdistance and take them out.
We'll make sure that there's nota lot of CIA, we'll make sure
guys aren't on the roof that canstop our shooters, or make sure
that, um you know, themotorcade slows down and that

(36:03):
because the original motorcaderoute wasn't supposed to go down
elm street right next by thegrassy knoll, supposed to go
down main street in the center,further away, making the shots
completely harder change it they?
Why do you think they changedthe motorcade cia so?
again there's things then mafiasays, okay, well, we'll clean it
up, right, what they did, ifyou have guys that need to be
whacked, that are going to talk,we'll take care of that, right.

(36:24):
So it's like did because it'smutual interest here, like they
will have an interest to makethis work.
So there's an argument I'm notsaying this is 100 fact there's
an argument that this is kind ofhow this might have went down,
and so it leads to all thesetheories and my point is you can
release all the documents thatyou want.
I still don't think you'regoing to get the exact answers
you want, but we learn a lot,like I think we've learned, and

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people have wondered over timewas Oswald a CIA operative?
I think you can argue yeah, theywere controlling him, because
these documents show themreporting on him and letting him
move freely and watching hismovements.
They clearly had to have him tobe able to do that.
They had to have control wherethey're working.
Be able to do that.
They had to have control wherethey're working.
He was working for them in someway, but again, it was probably
just to make it look like he'sprobably never officially on
their books, right?
I wouldn't call him operative,I'd call exactly, he was a pawn

(37:08):
it's exactly a good way to putit, yeah, and then you'll see in
these document releases, wherethe underhill memo was big, the
slessinger memo was big, um, howthey're showing you how they
ran their operations another 12000,.

They released another 12,000.
Exactly.

All their agents , that they had working and
where they were stationed, whatthey were finding, what they
were seeing.
They were writing memos backand forth to the CIA.

Steve, all this information that
you're discussing now is thefiles that were released
recently, correct?

Correct by President Trump.
These were on March 17th March.
Okay, Yep.

But also some that that were
released prior.

There's been documents that have been out
before prior, because they weretrying to release some even
under Obama because there's aJFK Records Act that came from
the 1992 House Select Committeeon Assassinations from the 70s
and they did another one in 1992.

But those were heavily redacted.

Correct, you wouldn't get the information
that you wanted.
But they said that by 2029,everything had to be released.
And Trump said, well, we canrelease everything sooner, in
2016, when he was president.
But then Mike Pompeo, who washead of the CIA at the time,
this amount of guys said, well,look, there's information in
these things that could stillimplicate people who are alive
or methods or tactics.
Well, we have to figure that out.

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That's my point.
But, like there were socialsecurity numbers, people that
were leaked when you look at thedocuments they didn't even
scrub them properly.
So people who are alive, Ithink still their secret.
Their social security numberswere out there.
They've already been leaked.
It was in the news actuallyrecently so, but he was saying
there's information out therewhere we have to withhold them.
But they were excuses towithhold the documents,
obviously, but they were goingto have to be released
eventually.
But I think um rfk jr.

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Um, who's now head of Healthand Human Services, I believe I
think him being aboard withTrump, he would obviously push
Trump's arm to say, look, it'smy family.

I want to make sure you know we get
into it.
And he was a Democrat, by theway.
Yeah, Pointing that out.

Yeah, correct.

Probably still is, I don't know.

Probably he's just aligning his own interests.

Yeah.

So but there His dad got killed.
Bobby, yeah, a couple yearsafter JFK, when Bobby ran for
president, he was assassinatedby Sirhan.

Sirhan allegedly, but those documents
have to come out and SirhanSirhan is still alive.
He's dead.
Right now he's pleading forrelease.

The entire Kennedy family has such a deep
history.

Why do they always want to get killed?

They don't want to get killed.
No, that's okay, they don't domuch to kill them.

Yeah, why do people always want to
kill the Kennedy family?

Because they were doing things that were
against the status quo.

Actually , they were doing things for the
American people.

That's what they should be doing.
That's what our JFK and RFK'sargument were.

We should be a different type of
society, so it always comes backto who is controlling these
individuals and thebureaucracies and why is
everybody so afraid?
When they doze.
The department of governmentefficiency is trying to your boy
expose all the fraud and allthe like usa abuse and bro usa,
I know aids in there, but it'sthat's not what it stands for.

(39:52):
It's not for aid, it's for uhmilitary operations.

They're basically.

I'm not saying it's true it's
international interest thatthey're trying to form a
globalist society.

Throughout they help the world by providing
foreign aid to countries andthat's one of the vehicles that
the usa provides aid to othercountries, but you could argue
that they were doing black opsout of it and running the money
through that, so they don't haveto put it on the books.

Part of the black bunch isn't that
the easiest way to launder moneyis under the the guise of good
faith?

I wouldn't know.
I'm not a money launderer, butpeople say, yes, that could be a
way to do it.

Yes, of course, or you could have
casinos in cuba in the 1960s andrun your drug money through
that, I will say the bay of pigsis one of the the best versions
of nuclear war ever, becauserussia literally was on the
blockade line and they hadnuclear weapons off the coast of
the United.
States.
Now, with that being said, Ithink, okay, I had a brain fart,

(40:53):
it's okay.

Were you having the fear about the weapons being
so close to US soil?
I don't know if you're makingthis correlation.

To be so close to Russia.

Exactly, ukraine said Ukraine don't join NATO
because, then NATO can now puttheir forces closer to the.

Russian border and that affects our
interests and we feel insecureand now we have to defend
ourselves, which is the wholepoint of this alleged proxy war
that he says I knew you weregoing there because of the
balkans.
Okay, correct, and uh.

Not only that, but bill clinton's, the one that
instigated it and started it.
George bush?
Maybe, clinton, it was rightaround, it was it was george
bush senior.

Yeah, he said clinton also weapons in
turkey?
We won't but they will makesure and guess what they?
And then clinton also did, thenbush, uh junior, did, and then
Obama did.

And then Joe.

Biden did.
And it's funny because if youlook and you can see if someone
did that to us, which theyalready did, we want to go to
war.

It's a good correlated argument.

And now all of a sudden you have
what's going on in Russia andeverybody's saying Ukraine,
ukraine, ukraine, support,support, support.
But it's we told them, we toldRussia after they tore down the
Berlin Wall Gorbachev, tear downthis wall, hey, nato will not
move any further east.
Yet they continue to do it,russia continue to tolerate it

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and all of a sudden they're likewell, we got missiles on our
borders and you want us to beokay with it, with what happened
?
And let me get this straightRussia is not USSR.
Okay, the Soviet Union.

They are different.
The argument is they're tryingto be.
They're not, though.
That's what they're saying.

They're saying yo, you tried us five
times with five differentpresidents.

No, that's the great argument that's out right
now.

Now, what the fuck bro?
What do you want us to do?
Let you walk into our borders.
United States wouldn't let thathappen.

No, you're not wrong, and we did it and that's
the argument that they're making.
People are saying well, he'susing that Putin is as an
argument to grab more land, tocreate the USSR again, whether
that's true or not.

People are just saying that he's
trying to protect his borders.

But it's great that you said this because if
about it, if you don't, if youdon't already know this, I'll
wrap this up real fast.
This up real fast is the.
I didn't see that.
The reason why the um, why thecuban missile crisis stopped
actually can we cover that?
I'll tell you now it'll, it'llwrap it up is.

(43:10):
The us agreed to remove themissiles out of turkey and
that's what stopped it.
Russia felt better to be ableto do it, and then they took
their missiles down from the US.
So it almost makes you think,if we did it now, what good
would come out of it, and that'swhy.

Trump stopped funding Ukraine Because
he's trying to.
Maybe that's what we're doing.

We don't know, but that's the whole lining his
pockets.
You know these very complicated.
You know strategic decisions,decisions to make on foreign
relations.

Why can't we all get along Time,
time and time?
And thank you all for tuning into Happy Hour Holidays.
We'll be right back with a JFKrelease and the book Across the
Knoll.
All right, welcome back toHappy Hour Holidays.
Sean was going to ask aquestion to Mr Fantetti over
here about the JFK files, whatyou just said.

(43:56):
You had a question, mr fanteddy, over here about the jfk
files, what, what you just saidyou had a question.
I said I wanted to stay on thejfk file.
I mean, that's what we'retalking about I'll answer
whatever you want well, I mean.
What my question was is as faras like the media and the way I
mean we talked about a lot ofshit.

Well, yeah, and we like went through it fast.
Yeah, this is like a six hourpod, guys.

You want just thinking in that
detail from what the mediashaped the narrative to be on
jfk's assassinations once themedia released or once the
government released the newfiles.
How did the media shape thenarrative now, or what does it
shape the narrative now to whatit used to be?

no, that's a good question.
I think we might have partiallyanswered this, but we can go
into detail.
If you don't want to, we can gointo another question.
No, it's a good questionbecause the question's not
answered yet, it's ongoing.
So this is why I like what youasked is over time.
When the assassination happened, we were given the Warren
Commission report, remember,yeah, and we were told that we

(44:56):
had to accept that as theofficial narrative for what
happened with the assassination.
That it was a single shooter,lee harvey oswald, a lone wolf,
fired three shots which clearlyno, I mean like there's a shot
you can look at where connelly'snot even hit yet and jfk was
already shot and if that magicbullet hit him it would have hit
connelly already.
So we know there's more thanone shooter.

Some people argue that it went
through him.

Correct.
But my point is, by the timethat shot went in it should have
already hit him.
Yeah, yeah.
So if Connolly's still lookingback, not hurt yet, then why
didn't the magic bullet not hithim yet?

My point is there's a whole bunch
of flaws in it.

How I can't say because it's in my book, but you
will see when you read my book.
And I actually say where Ithink they were located.

So, with all this, the public trust
and the government, how much?

did it lose?
Well, yeah, because here's why,and I'm glad we're here.
So the Warren Commission saysthat Guess who was on the Warren
Commission?
The people who investigated thepanel.
Alan Dulles was on it, the guywho started the CIA that hated
Kennedy, and they fired who.
Dulles was on it, the guy whostarted the CIA that hated

(46:02):
Kennedy and they fired who mighthave planned the whole thing,
allegedly suppressed a wholebunch of important information
and witnesses.
It's like what did Oliver Stonesay in his movie.
It's like the fox investigatingthe chicken coop, when you're
the ones that always go in anddo everything.

So Gerald Ford was on that, one on
that committee.
Oh yeah, Former.

President Gerald Ford.
Exactly, yeah, um, gerald fordwas on that one, on that
committee and, oh yeah, as aformer president, exactly, yep,
and so, um, as a result of thesethings and the public had to
accept this narrative back then,it was hard to challenge it.
You couldn't get access toinformation, no one had camera
phones.
People's cameras gotconfiscated the day they were
there and allegedly a lot oftheir stuff was deleted or
changed.
Now, in 1970, around that time,geraldo rivera remember geraldo

(46:40):
, yeah had a show he was thefirst still alive oh yeah, he
was the first one to ever foxand then moved.
He was the first one to evershow the zapruder film to the
public and that's what startedraising issues.
They kept the zapruder fromunder wraps, people don't.
Us government took it fromzapruder, allegedly altered it I
don't know for sure but stillshows kenny getting shot.
It looks like his head's goingback to the left.

(47:00):
Life magazine bought the rightsfor 150 grand from him he was
laying on it on his side thatway on the left, going against
his wife going that way right.
So the shot came from the knoll.
He went this way.
So if we're going down elmstreet and the grassy knoll is
this where that plant is.
The shot looks like it wentthis way because his head went.
The wound looks like it wasright here in the right temple

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and his head went back and tothe left.
If it was from the depository,it's more likely a shot with
that force would have forced himforward.
So why was his body going thisway?
And it looks like it happenedhere.
Could you still hit him fromthe depository here?
Probably maybe, but it yearcould you still hit him from the
pository here?
Probably maybe, but it lookslike it would have been a wound
in the back.
So we were forced to acceptthat narrative.
That information started comingout, zapruder film came to the

(47:41):
public and now the media wassaying, well, it looks like that
there might have been adifferent way.
This went down and we can'ttrust the warren commission
report.
But the government still standsby.
You're taught in schools thatit was the harvey oswald and
that report and the commissionreports always still been put
into play.
People are now challenging itthrough the media because of
oliver stone's movie jfk, whichis a great movie.

(48:02):
Haven't seen it, but bring alot of this background to make
sense.
One of the best movies I'veever seen.
What, oh yeah, jfk, jfk.
The movie jfk is centered on aman named um who's the actor so
kevin costner plays jim garrison.
Jim garrison is the only personwho ever brought a case in an
actual court of law on theassassination of jfk.

(48:22):
Have you ever watched thatmovie?
Oh my god, it's.
You guys need to watch thatmovie it came out in the 90s
1991 it came out was it goodmovie it's amazing, it literally
walks through.
It's called jfk.

It's not called john f kennedy.

JFK.
Oh shit, Oliver Stone directedit, so you know it's legit.
He's a great, great director.
Yeah he is and Kevin Costnerplays Jim Garrison.
He was a Louisiana, jimGarrison was Louisiana
prosecutor and allegedly wellactually it's been proven- so
not allegedly.
Several Oswald was one.
Several other guys wereinvolved in Louisiana in the

(48:55):
plot to work for the CIA and dothings that had to do with the
state Going against Cuba In thestate of sorry, in the state of
Louisiana, in New Orleans.

But not the state of Louisiana.
Jim Garrison was a prosecutorin New Orleans.

No, in the city of New Orleans there were areas
where people were doingactivities that were related to
helping the CIA go againstCastro, anti-castro Cuban work.
Oswald was there and he wasdoing things that make it look
like he was against Cuba.
Then he took events he hasthese stamped pages that said
the Fair Play for Cuba Committeeand he said he was pro-Cuba at

(49:29):
the time.
He was taking all thesecontrary positions probably
because the CIA was telling himto do these things and create a
bunch of stir.
Because the CIA was tellingthem to do these things and
create a bunch of stir.
So Jim Garrison, after Kennedy'sassassinated, he sees the
Zapruder film and subpoenas itand gets it and shows it in a
court and he claims that thisguy named Clay Shaw, who
actually was a CIA operative hecouldn't prove it at the time

(49:56):
was in a conspiracy to kill JFKon behalf of all these other
deep state actors and he endedup losing that case.
But it was the only case everbrought in the assassination of
JFK.
But it brought all these thingsto light that showed the
weaknesses of the WarrenCommission and it was that case
that people started saying theWarren Commission's likely BS.
There was probably more thanone shooter.
The Zapruder film was finallybeing able to be shown.
It brought a bunch of to light.

(50:16):
Then it started the jfk recordsact under clinton in 1992,
right after bush was leaving thefirst bush where now they said
look, these documents have tocome out by 2029.

All this stuff came from oliver
stone's movie and it startedraising the narrative that there
was probably more than oneshooter in a conspiracy I was
gonna say how does the the JFKassassination compare to other
political assassinations interms of the public eye, Like
maybe the MLK assassination?

(50:45):
Which those files are supposedto be released as well.

Yeah, so those are all the same with Bobby
Kennedy, could be considered thesame type of assassination.
Now are you asking me, how doesit compare to other?

I mean , there's been a lot of public
figures.
I would say public figure.
I would tell, yeah, I wasfamous and controversial.
Assassination is jfk I wouldsay yes, if that's kind of what
you're asking is that is thatwhat you yeah, I was, I was
gonna, I would say, for severalreasons?

yeah, one is a lot of assassinations, even the
ones that weren't successful,like reagan, when john hckley
shot him.
Donald Trump, and we knowSirhan Sirhan, we know the guy.

Well, the one in South Korea.
That guy got killed.

My point is a lot of times you know, a lot of
people see the guy do it.
They walk up close and do it.

Yeah exactly.

So you know who the killer was In this case.
Nobody knows right.
100% videoed proof of who didit.
A lot of assassinations.
You've seen them on tape.
John Hinckley the guy was rightthere, sirhan.
Sirhan was in at the hotel inCalifornia.

Someone tried to assassinate George
Bush Jr with a shoe.

Yeah, correct, do you remember?

that he ducked it pretty quick.
Yeah, yeah, he ducked it.
It was like fool me once.

But that's it.
He didn't.
For me, again, it's theintrigue, and because it's a
president of the united statesthat died.
This is what makes it sorelevant and why I even wanted
to write about it is you couldargue that it changed the tide
of america's future at that time.
Well, you could argue, we weregoing to get away from american
imperialist, americanimperialistic interests.

(52:13):
The secrecy was going to startcoming down.
We weren't going to be doingthese covert operations that led
to more wars and created morestrife in the world to make
people hate America.
It's the argument, not mine, butit motivated me to say, oh,
america lost a lot of innocencefrom this, because it showed
that not only anybody could bekilled.
History is going to teach usthat if our own government or
people connected to it could,could pull this off, that

(52:35):
nobody's safe, and that broughta lot of worry, and to me,
that's what caused a lot ofthese issues, to where that
assassination matters and whyit's so intriguing today.
So, if that's the case, that'swhy to answer your question is
probably the most paramount oneand the most popular one, and
why these document releasesmatters, because we're still
trying to figure it out and Idon't think we're going to find

(52:56):
the actual answer to this?
I don't think we ever will.
There's been 60 years.
These documents have beenhidden in archives controlled by
mostly the CIA before they'rereleased to the National
Archives.

Which means who knows what kind of
evidence they destroyed, whatthey got rid of, what they're
actually giving you what'sselective, what was destroyed.
So what do you think?

because it won't be based in fact.
It's my estimation.
Yes, okay good, because that'sa big difference.

I'm not gonna say this is what
happened wait, but does stevewant to tell us or do you want
to read the book?
This is not my book, okay?
If I had to just stay heretoday, I'm having a beer, cigar
with somebody and say, steve,how do you think it went down?
I would tell you a lot of what.
I just said, after reading whatyou also read.

I would say that a lot of what I said in the
beginning to set it up, aboutthe mafia being upset but not
being able to kill them on theirown because they don't know how
to carry that out the CIA,paramilitary interest being
upset at Kennedy.
I think they work together inthe way that I said paramilitary
interest being upset at Kennedy.
I think they work together inthe way that I said and I think
that they said look, you know,we're going to set up because we

(54:03):
have control over thegovernment actors.
It's what the kind of you knowCIA, what Underhill said there's
a, there's a rogue group in theCIA that really did this.
They partnered with the mafiaand they said this is the part
that we're going to do, this isthe part that we're going to do,
this is the part that you'regoing to do and we're going to
get this done.
I think they had multipleshooters there that day and I
think they were in manystrategic positions.

How many?
More than two?
More than two.
Affiliated with the same group.

Oh yeah, I don't think the shooters knew each
other, but I think they were allin the.
But they were part of a largerconspiracy, but I think that
they were in different buildings.
I definitely think there wassomeone on the grassy knoll.
There was a man named LeeBowers who was in the train
tower behind the school bookdepository because there was a

(54:47):
huge train yard.
Who the fuck is that?
Past the overpass?
Well, he was killed a couple ofyears after the JFK
assassination Number one.
The Warren Commission nevertook his testimony in full and
put it in the Warren Commissionreport.
Why?
Well, he said, and he was therewhen the assassination happened
.
He said within 20 to 30 minutesbefore the assassination there

(55:09):
were cars going behind thegrassy knoll and parking and
leaving.
And he said men were there.
There was a whole bunch ofcigarette butts just laying
there like they were waitingthere.
Any mention?

of black suits or anything like
that.
They were dressed like normalpeople.

He said there was a whole bunch of cigarette
butts just laying there likethey were waiting there, suits
or anything like that.
They were dressed like normalpeople.
He said there was someone wholooked like they were dressed
like a cop.
I think that day there werepeople who were dressed like
cops and had fake secret servicecredentials and were showing
him who actually did some of thestuff to get out of there, and
I think that he saw that and itwas an indication he said it in
his testimony that there wassomething out of the ordinary

(55:37):
occurring on the embankment thatday.
But I don't know what it wasBecause there's never people
huddled in that area.
Everybody would have wanted tobe at the front of the street
watching JFK come by.
Why do you want to huddlebehind low visibility so?

well to take a shot.

He clearly believed that there was somebody
that was going to be there.
He ended up dying in a caraccident a couple years later.
Kind of like Princess Diana,when they were starting to open
up the investigation, like JimGarrison was doing, and all
these witnesses he wanted, theywere all dead.
He started subpoenaing people,and they were all gone.

Let me ask you a question Do you fear
talking on air about thisassassination?
Do I yeah?

No, I'm nobody important.
I'm just giving information inmy own views, and I'm talking
about information that's alreadybeen disclosed.

You think maybe the CIA has to know.
My book is made up.

No, there's a lot of people who talk about
this stuff more than I do.
I just find it to be aninteresting topic.
I'm writing a book about it.
My book's a historical fictionbook.

And are you going to drink the rest
of that, or should I take it?
I'm taking drinking my, I stillthink that.

Oh, it's a transfusion you know, after
seeing the, you know you guysdidn't need to watch JFK, though
obviously I didn't see thatmany, I didn't see that many
assassinations in in my life.

As far as like presidential candidates
, bro but I would say that Ikeep seeing that the secret
service is the mole, is the moleno, no, okay, so, but you're
saying assassinations um uh whoelse?

who else?
You know where the breakingthat person?
There was a, there was anassassin, there was an
assassination test c l I youknow what I?

hey, cia, I love you guys.

I love you guys I like the cia too.
It has, it has a purpose and Ithink it's done more good than
people realize because theirsuccessors.
Their successes are really notno but it also has done a lot of
shady shit though well,sometimes you have to do some
stuff, you know to make somethings happen, but again, is it?
You get into that big dilemmais it morally or ethically right
?
Was it in the favor ofamerica's interest, or was it in

(57:27):
the interest of otherindividuals or groups that
aren't america and they're usingour tax paying dollars or
people we vote in to do thesethings?
And these other off book roguegroups are doing things.
That's not a good, free, opensociety.
Is the argument right?

so that's why and then the question
.
The question is who is the onemaking those decisions for?
The bureaucracy right now rightnow, back then you obviously
you have there you throw it upoh beyonce, what are you?

there's a, there's a director of national
intelligence, that's tulsigabbard.
I'm sure they have oversight.

There's a senate uh select don't be so
naive to think that just becausethere is a director of the cia,
I'm not appointed that there isnot well, I'm I'm not of that
assumption.

I defer, I think it's.
I don't know.
All I know is I just think thatthere's got to be a point where
I'm sure.

Sean Febre & Manny F (58:19):
Somebody's controlling this, it stops.

Well, there's probably people pulling the
strings on a lot of differentthings in many different places.

Just to sidetrack real quick.
Yeah, the Donald Trumpassassination.
What about it?
Why don't we know anythingabout the guys that did guy
allegedly?
No, no, allegedly.
But how did shooters they found?

no, no, no.
One guy in pennsylvania,another guy in uh pennsylvania
killed the insurance guy no butfor being the shooter guy who
shot the insurance for being anassassination on a presidential
yeah, yeah, no, but for hedidn't get that.
Oh, whatever, I don't give ashit.

The assassination for being on a
ex-president to now a futurepresident.
The media coverage was thislittle For Trump.

Yeah Well, he didn't die yeah, number one,
number two.

When's the last time a presidential
assassination.

That didn't work or attempted.
No, it attempted Several.
There was one on Ford, therewas one on Reagan.

We're talking about back then.

We're not talking about recently.

No, reagan was in the 80s.
I'm talking about 90s, 2000s,2010s.
So it happened like once in 40years, there's a lot of
assassinations attempts sincethen.

Some guy shot up the White House in 1993 when
Clinton was in there.
They had a machine gun shootingbullets at the wild.
Here's the thing no success.

The secret service has gotten better
at uh stifling assassinationattempt if you look now, now the
real question is why weren'tthey so good to stifle?

this is there and it's an argument now.
There's several argumentskamala and joe biden, because in
1963, excuse me, there was umat least stumbling bumbling joe
biden, at least stevenson was Ibelieve a secretary of state or
defense under kennedy secretaryof state, I think.
He went to dallas and he was, Ithink, spit on and assaulted

(01:00:14):
when he was there.
This is a a couple of monthsbefore Kennedy.

Sean Febre & Manny Febre (01:00:16):
That's not an assassination.
I didn't say assassination, Isaid assaulted, yeah.
Now the point is they wereshowing.

Steve Fantetti (01:00:23):
at that time there was a memo that was
written that said we believe themilitary said we believe that
it's too dangerous to be inDallas at this time, or I think
the secret service.

Yes, I remember this.
And they said you probablyshouldn't go.

and he said I don't care don't care, I'm going
anyway because it was importantfor the trip.
Kennedy wanted to have it with,had to win the south.
Trump also said he brought lbjdown with him, which is a whole
other can of worms lbj was incahoots with the cia most likely
not most likely.

It's in those files you need to read
more than those 6 000 pages, bro, or 12 000.

That's all I've been able to read so far.
But I would tell you this Imean, there's A document,
doesn't say that he was in on it.

Yes, bro, you're inferring, you're
telling me you found a documentno, I am not inferring, so
there's a document in those docsyes, that LBJ admits.

Oh, so what do you have then?
Indirectly admits Everything'sindirect in those docs.
Allegedly Anyway he had thatnotice.
But my point is at the timethere was a lot of opportunity
for him to lose the election ifhe didn't win the South Because,
remember, the Civil Rights Actwas in the midst of trying to be

(01:01:33):
passed in Congress.
Lbj got the credit for it, butKennedy really started it and so
the South didn't like that.
They didn't want civil equalrights right for African
Americans at the time and sothat caused strife in the South
and I think that was why you hadto bring LBJ down.
He was not going to be on theticket.
Lbj was under criminalindictments.
People don't know this.
At the time he was supposed to.
Bobby Kennedy wanted him to goto jail, they wanted him off the

(01:01:55):
ticket, but they also neededhim to win Texas.
So there's a lot of backgroundwhich we can't get into all of
it about this case.

It's wild to read it all, man you
almost like seem to praise LBJ.

No, I didn't say that.
What did I say?
Where's the praise coming?
I said he was in on it.

Well, it's a lot of good that LBJ did.

No, he didn't it was a lot of bad that he did he
didn't do anything good.
Well, and that's a, you'reallowed to have that argument.
I think he did a lot to try toEnslave, see America go forward
and fight through because he wastechnically See America go
forward, he a Democrat Right.
But I think JFK and LBJ wouldboth be Republicans today, but

(01:02:38):
maybe a little bit more Democrat.

I wouldn't say LBJ would be a
Republican Probably moreprogressive than JFK is.
Jfk would be probably aRepublican.

Well, it's hard the way the party's on.
I think the party's too leftfor JFK today.
That's why I think no, I don'tthink so.
Oh, I do, I think transparency.

He wanted limited government.
What did LBJ want?

He wanted to run the war machine.

He did , and he wanted to line the
pockets of defense contractors.

I think that's probably true.
I agree with that statement.
That's probably true.

That's exactly what he did and what he
wanted.
He's the one who went intoVietnam, bro.

He did not go there on his own.
The military went in.
Oh, he went into Vietnam, bro.
He did not go there on his own.

The military went in.
Oh okay, Now you're beingambiguous.
That's not ambiguous.
Ambiguous means it's unclear,it's very clear that the US
military went in.
That one is clear.
No, no, it's clear that he waspresident and that I'm sure he
did align.

Steve Fantet (01:03:28):
Commander-in-chief .
I'm sure he aligned withdefense contractors.
Commander-in-.

He won it.

If I tell you to walk, not to fight the war,
it's a big difference, itdoesn't matter.
We're getting off topic, jesusfucking.

Christ Don't say that.

So long story short is I think that there was
a lot of influence there that heshould have known not to
probably go, but the media todayis going to see it as we'll
never truly really know theanswer, but we're going to
investigate it.

You know what I mean.

We're never going to alter.
I mean, we don't even know,steve, when does your book come
out?

um, hoping fall of this year, all
this year or sooner, coolpublished by penguin.
I don't know it will be.
I would love that pendantpenguin, oh penguin.
Penguin published bigpublishing.
Oh yeah, I love that a lot.
You're great, large, yeah.
Well, as always, steve man, wereally appreciate it all the
information you bring on.
You're a man of many tradesbook writer, sports agent,

(01:04:24):
attorney, corporate attorneyyeah and cigar aficionado.

I don't want his .
No, no, no.
He's the resume.

He has a 10 million and newly and
newly added to the dirtyirtyMartini Blue Cheese Stuff.

Love you guys got me addicted.
We got to go back there.
Del Frisco Best Martini.

No, no , it wasn't Del Frisco, best
Dirty Martini.
It was in downtown Tampa.
You want to go to the?
Dan Is that what it was the.

Dan, you see the Dan, just plug the Dan.

No free shout-outs man yeah, yeah,
no, no, no, dan was cool, danwas great.

Yeomans, let's shout out Yeomans, yeomans.
We had a good time there, cool.

Golf simulator.

I beat you guys in the strongest punch, but that
game that was great.
Yeah, I was in second place.

Guys, they did the weight room.
The biggest guy was in third.
The big guy he hurt himself,remember there's one place that
doesn't have 10 and I assume.
Edit that out in post, please.
No, no, that's showing up, allright, man.
Thanks, gentlemen, appreciateeverybody coming on and Merry

(01:05:28):
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