S2 E34 | Artishi Unleashed with Shi: From Songwriting at Five to Finding Her Voice - Happy Hour Holidaze

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Sean Febre (00:00):
Welcome to Happy Hour Holidays.
This is your.
I guess what you would call itis host for today because
Manny's out, but we do have aguest host.
Yes, Former athlete in football, Max Paul.
Max how you doing Back again,back again.
Yeah, he's also been a guestmany times.

Max Paul (00:19):
I feel like I got a job upgrade this time.

Sean Febre (00:21):
Yeah, I got a guest host and he's wearing the shades
this time.
I knew the vibes today.

Max Paul (00:26):
I knew the vibes today .
I got matched today.

Sean Febre (00:28):
I like it.
And now we got our guest forthe day.
We have she, she.
I don't think I know your lastname.

Shi (00:36):
Well, I go by Artishy.

Sean Febre (00:38):
Artishy.
So we have Artishy.
She is a rapper, singer,songwriter, podcast host of she
Speaks and it's at she Speaks.

Shi (00:49):
Yep at she Speaks Podcast.

Sean Febre (00:50):
And your podcast is normally based around you called
it Goal Friends.
Yes, yes, can you tell us alittle bit about that and what
got you into the podcastingworld?

Shi (01:02):
Okay, yeah, well, honestly, she Speaks came came from.
I've been writing since fiveyears old, but I've always had a
way with words and I've kind ofalways been like the mother
food's friend when it came tojust advice or even, um, when it
came down to just emotions.
People just they're always likeI love the way you say things,

(01:22):
the way you birth things down.
I can't understand them.
So, uh, over time it was alwayskind of in the back of my head
when I would write little quotes.
It would always be like shespeaks or something like that.
And after I had like a certainpoint in my life where I felt
like I kind of lost my voice andI wasn't really sure of myself

(01:43):
anymore, I felt like I kind oflost my voice and I wasn't
really sure of myself anymore.
And when I decided on findingmyself and getting back to it,
that was kind of my thing.
Where she speaks, it's like OK,now I'm reclaiming my voice,
this is what I want to do, andthat's kind of how that all came
together.
Like why not start a podcast?
People love to hear me talking.
How long have you been doingthe podcast?
For?

(02:03):
It has been off and on, but Ihave.
I consistently came back thisyear, but probably about like
two years, two and a half.

Sean Febre (02:17):
And then your aspect of your life where you do the
singer, songwriter and rappingpart.
Where did that come from?
Where did that derive from?

Shi (02:28):
um well, yeah, I've been writing since five.
I've always loved music, like Iwas in love with music.
Since what kind of music, bythe way?
All types of music.
I write for every genre musicwho's your top five favorite
artists?
top five favorite artists okaythat is any genre that is so
hard for me because I write forevery genre, but if I want to

(02:48):
say as far as who I felt mostinfluenced by when I was younger
, I loved warren hill.
Okay, um, I love tupac.
Super big fan of michaeljackson, absolutely.
Um, that's three, let's see.
Uh, I'd have to say beyonce herwork ethic and then, of course,
taylor Swift right.

Max Paul (03:06):
I'm just kidding Nicki Minaj, of course yeah, you're
going towards hip hop and butMichael Jackson, that's my
favorite one that you've said sofar, because a lot of people
don't understand how influentialhe is to this day.

(03:28):
Yeah, a lot of like uh well, ifyou're not of this age, he
doesn't affect you, like you'rea liar.

Shi (03:34):
People still use a lot of I studied him like it was like I
know, I know the thoroughlydance I look.
It was like it was an obsessionfor me, like I feel like any
kid.
But I think what I loved aboutit was I was so into it Like
young.
I was extremely independent,like to be running our own song
at five.
When I say I was serious aboutit, like I had.
We had a group, cause I'm likea preacher's kid, so we had like

(03:56):
a group.
I came, I had a friend, me andthis girl named Faith.
We were like the leaders of thegroup.
She was the nice one.
They called me the mean one.
I was nice until it was timefor that.
I made those girls practice onthat playground Like every day,
like you had a show in it.
They didn't want to practiceand they say you're not a part
of my group.
So they used to go back toFaith and be like oh, she said

(04:22):
we're changed, the melodies havechanged.
Now I'm spending time workingon you, mind you, I'm like seven
, I don't care, I'm researchingthings, telling my mom I'm like
no, mom, we have to change ourname because somebody else has
that name and we have to.
You know brand, and she's likebrand, you're seven, brand, but

(04:46):
I was sitting there watching,like you know, the MTV behind
you.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But I loved watching that likethriller behind the scenes, how
he made his mask like I'm when Isay I'm a Jack of all trades
like it's the aesthetic thing.
That's why my artist name isartist.
She like she is art okay on thewall type thing and you're from
the Tampa Bay area, right yeahand where?

Sean Febre (05:02):
where Brandon right.
Tampa, tampa yeah, I'm tampa ohokay, so let me ask you a
question just can you give us alittle bit of a backstory on uh,
you know, maybe it starts in inelementary school and uh, show
us a little life path of whathappened with sheep?
Okay to where you are now today.

Shi (05:24):
Okay, well, uh, like I said , I'm pretty much like a
preacher's kid.
I was raised in church shoutout to rtm or benedictine
ministries.
Um, reason why I say that isbecause now anybody that knows
of that church, you would prettymuch call it like the
performing arts church.
Uh, our pastor was really bigon investing in the children's
passion.

(05:44):
So you know, with a lot ofchurches they would probably
kind of frown upon hip hop musicand things like that.
But he used to always tell themyou know, if your kids have an
interest in music, if you don'tcultivate it, somebody else will
.
And you may not like theenvironment that they're in.
You know God gives all of usgifts.
So he's like they don't have tobe a pastor to reach anybody or

(06:08):
to show God's up to anybody.
He's like they want to be arapper, they can wrestle.
Jesus too, they could.
He was just like that and his,he had a, his, he had a niche
for like excellence.
So it wasn't like, oh, you'rejust doing like this little
sunday practice.
No, we did full practices.
I'm talking about three, fourtimes a week, performing like

(06:30):
actually had dancers in therewhere I'm having to learn
different techniques of balletand hip-hop and alternative,
like things like that, like hereally invested in us.
So it was just a love that Ihad, but it was something that
was embedded in me from jump.

(06:50):
So with that, my mom she waslike extremely dedicated to me
and my little brother, my fatherat the time.
He was incarcerated when I wasyounger but he was very active,
as active as he could be in ourlives, and my mom made sure, but
she kept me focused andeverything and I was extremely
driven.
Though younger, it wasn'treally a thing where she had to
really worry about me.
If anything, I have kidsknocking on the window because

(07:13):
they want me to come outside,but I have this thing for tape
recorders.
So everybody knew about that.
So all the people at the church, everybody in the choir they
would give me tape recorderswhere I would record my voice.
The church, everybody in thechoir, they would give me tape
recorders where I would recordmy voice or I would record the
old songs like Michael Jazz andall of that stuff and I would
write the lyrics down and playthem back.
Then I would sing them.
That's how I would train myvoice and stuff like that.

(07:34):
So a lot of it was just, I justloved doing that.
I would sit in my room all dayand watch BH1 and watch artists
and see how they move and learnthe little dance with.
It was just a thing for me, youknow, um, so growing up I was
really close to my great grandma.
I've always had like a reallyold soul, so she was like my

(07:57):
baby.
So every Sunday she would havethis thing where she would read
the news and she would take thecomments out, and every sunday
she would leave them for me andwe would just do all the things.
She drank our coffee.
I'm drunk your cranberry juice.
I know a lot of kids don't likeher.
Just I did, man, so I wasdrinking cranberry juice and we

(08:19):
would just sit there and talkand she would ask me all kind of
questions and things like that.
But when she what it was, I usedto always pray to God.
I used to be like I want mygrandma to let the juice come
back.
I went to it.
That's the only thing I knew.
I didn't know no othertimeframe.
I knew it.
If juice came back, there's noother thing Like what?

(08:40):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's it.
So, however, she did it andwhen she did it.
I was so devastated.
I was so devastated, I justfelt like you're not listening
to me.
So during that time, that'swhen I at this point I was still
so active in performing artswith church anything outside of

(09:02):
church dance, major,cheerleading, all of that stuff
outside of church, dance around,major at cheerleading all of
that stuff I had auditioned forBlake for their performing arts
program Ended up gettingaccepted.
Shout out to Blake.

Max Paul (09:15):
I didn't, but you know who did.
New Super Bowl champion, isaiahRogers and Dolce.

Shi (09:22):
You right, I forgot about that.
Yeah, and she's actually.
She went to RCN too.
Yeah, shout out to our church.
Yeah, but Tam was just talented.
Yeah, it's mature and better,but but, yeah, love her, but
anyways.

Sean Febre (09:40):
So then, after I guess you didn't get accepted
into Blake?
No, I didn't.
Oh, you didn't get accepted, Idid, I did yes.

Shi (09:46):
I decided not to go.
Okay, when my grandma passedaway, I just wasn't feeling it.

Max Paul (09:53):
Did it shake you?
I know for me, when mygrandmother passed, that shook
me hard.

Shi (09:58):
It put me in this.
I just wasn't feeling it.

Max Paul (10:01):
Yeah, In a completely different space.

Shi (10:04):
Yeah that was my heart.
It was just like what I gaveher her last year and go order
and everything.
So it was like for me it wasjust like that's deep.
It was like huh, you know howdare you.

Sean Febre (10:14):
Right Jesus, how dare you Right?

Max Paul (10:17):
I gave you this request for years, for years,
and I did not get the memo.
I was shooting in the gym Comeon man.

Sean Febre (10:28):
I put priority on this email to whom it may
concern.

Shi (10:30):
I should have believed you and all your 12 disciples.

Sean Febre (10:32):
You know what?

Max Paul (10:32):
I mean.

Shi (10:34):
How dare you?
I was upset, that's good.
Yeah, I was extremely smart,extremely gifted my mom.
Fortunately I was in privateschool.
Extremely get the young.
Like my mom.
Fortunately, I was in privateschool from like first to fifth
grade.
So I did the SATs and all ofthat what private school you go
to?
Um, my church actually had aschool Like he was a.
When I say cast, probably thejack of all trades, he didn't

(10:55):
play.

Max Paul (10:56):
So revealing true ministries.

Shi (10:57):
had a church, had a school and with both hands Wild and
because he was really investedin a lot of his members.
So because my father wasincarcerated, like he actually
took care of me and my brother'sskin, okay, but we didn't have
to like so we could be privateschool, so we can I think it was
more of making sure my momdidn't have to worry about
certain things getting to us,like they kind of just all

(11:20):
stepped up that way, like untilmy father could come home like
we're going to make sure likeyou don't have to be so stressed
out.

Max Paul (11:26):
Cause a lot of times in our community.
You'll see that.

Shi (11:28):
Yeah.

Max Paul (11:29):
You'll see that a lot, a lot of times.
It just, you know, you hearabout the harsh reality of, like
, single moms.
I've been kind of just figureit out.
There's not a lot of community,not, yeah, there, yeah, there's
not so much anymore.
Like I know, like when my, ourparents were coming up, you
could leave doors open and, youknow, pay the kids.
You know what I'm saying.
Like back in the like, evenwhen I was little, everyone let

(11:51):
their doors open.
I'd go to anybody's house on mystreet.
No, for real.
But now, shit, yeah, I'mpulling, I'm pulling out on the
Girl Scout when she rolling up,hey, what do you know?
You know what they mean, itain't it.

Sean Febre (12:02):
I already got the box.

Max Paul (12:04):
Being a short Brad, you already get me once.
What are you talking?

Shi (12:07):
about and they thugs too.
They might be like what youmean.

Max Paul (12:09):
What you mean.
I told you Thursday running mymoney.
All right, little mama, Leaveme outside.

Shi (12:15):
You know, this little 25.

Max Paul (12:22):
Go ahead.
I'm sorry, oh man, shit Fuck.
I got beef with the Girl Scouts.

Shi (12:27):
I don't like that.
Get a little good.
Yeah, that got a littlepersonal.

Max Paul (12:30):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I was like yeah right, A littlebit Beef with them, A little
bit.
Y'all never have my shortbread.
They always try to push thethin mints on me.
I don't my shortbread cookie.

Shi (12:41):
That's the blue box, yeah.
Yeah, I already know, I lovethat, I need that.

Max Paul (12:48):
That's mandatory, it's the blue box and the purple box
For the samosas.
Yeah, yeah, see, that's it.
Don't bring me nothing else.
I got two boxes of Thin Mints.
Look, sweetheart.
I told you come back with ashortbread.
I said I got these Thin Mintsbut I don't like.
I said I have these Thin Mints.
You're buying two boxes.
Yo, I guess I am buying theseThin Mints, yeah.

Shi (13:11):
Oh, my poor guy Not taking no for an answer.

Max Paul (13:13):
Not at all.

Sean Febre (13:18):
It's good.
It's fucking hilarious too.
I'm not going to lie, though.

Shi (13:21):
That's how it was.
No, I'm going to lie, hey bro.

Sean Febre (13:23):
Yeah, like I said, post Post ready.

Shi (13:26):
You remember the world's famous chocolate bars that you
stepped yourself in.
First off, absolutely I was agangster with those.
Now I'm rolling up on you withthat one.
I tell you, ooh, you're notgoing to be no.

Max Paul (13:40):
See, no, I hated the prizes.
Yeah, you mean, I sold $500worth of chocolate.
You give me a keychain.
I'm getting a keychain off ofthis.
I can't even get free lunch fora couple of days, right, like,
give me something good, right?
So when I saw the episoderemember the Boondocks yeah,
they had.
Riley did the fundraiser yeah,I understood that.
I felt that in my soul, I waslike yep.

Sean Febre (14:02):
Why did I not do this as a child?
Right?
Right, I should have made kidsYou're talking about adult swim,
right?
Absolutely yeah, for sure, witha crazy grandpa.

Max Paul (14:10):
Yeah, but he got his own brand of chocolate,
rebranded it and then pushed hisworld's favorite chocolate
right out of business.

Shi (14:16):
That's how you know kids.
But I had an innovative mindyoung, because I thought about
that.
When I seen how fast I couldpush chocolate bars, I remember
telling my mom I was like mom, Iwonder, because I think one
year I sold literally I soldprobably like 10 boxes, but like
I sold like maybe four of themin a week, I was like mom, I can

(14:38):
get off on these boxes so fast.
I don't even want them prizes,they need to give me money.
How can I flip the chocolatebars?
My mom was like you can't takethem, people, chocolate bars.
I'm like well, if I can getthem all this much for a dollar,
I don't want to buy somethingfor $2.
At least I can get my profitback.
I'm like 10.
My mom was like you can't.

(14:59):
But I always was like thatthough.

Max Paul (15:01):
The most famous chocolate was training for drug
dealers.

Sean Febre (15:06):
Training yes.

Shi (15:07):
Or hustlers, not really.
Let's say hustlers, we'll sayhustlers, no, no, no.

Sean Febre (15:11):
Let's say potential entrepreneurs.
Because when you think about itit's teaching you hey, buy at a
low, sell at a high, sell at ahigh, what is your gross profit?
Because you got to incorporateyour time into it.
And then you can realize yo, Ican make some money off of this
If you can sell chocolate bars.

Max Paul (15:28):
You can sell anything.

Sean Febre (15:29):
That pretty much I can.
Mr Beast does it with what's itcalled Feastables.
Yeah yeah, he's sellingchocolate bars, Chate.

Shi (15:37):
Motherfuckers making money.
I think that's why hospitalitycan't sell like.

Max Paul (15:42):
Oh easy, if you could sell that, I've got all this
money one or two, I still missit like yeah, because you're
both.

Shi (15:49):
Y'all said you were bartenders, right yeah, I
actually started as a server.
Well, I started actually as ahard rock girl, I was a hard
rock girl for like cocktails,cocktails cocktails mass, no, no
, no, that's not that that's allshe does.

Max Paul (16:04):
That's right the other days.

Sean Febre (16:05):
Cartoon cigarettes.

Shi (16:07):
But see, I didn't, because my voice is like very soft, so
you know having to walk throughthose coin machines.
They're all loud.
My thing has always been peopleare going to smell me before
they hear me and then when theysee me it's like ooh, so that

(16:29):
was my thing.
That's why I said I knewcertain things.
I knew young like I was quick,nobody saw me that it was just.
I was always big on likelayering, like body oils.
I love smelly like.
I just love that.
I love that reaction when Iwalked in and somebody's like
what's that?
So that's, that was the thingfor me.
So I would like walk past andmy scent would introduce me.
It was so bad, like even thegirls, they'll know you mean, it
was so good yeah, yeah, yeah,it's so good.
So even the girls, they wouldknow like when I would walk in a

(16:51):
bar because they started toname me money face in there like
the regular.
It was like if you ain't gotthe money, get out of face.
But they'll be like, oh, moneyface coming.
You could tell, you could smell.
You could smell her in the barbefore she gets here and I come
in there, what's up y'all,because my voice was so.
So that's how I was.
It's like I'd walk past andsomebody would be like what's
that?
And I'd be like, hey, what doyou want?
You want a drink Now?

Max Paul (17:12):
I'm stuck.
Look, look, she did that.
I was like can I get a coffee?

Shi (17:19):
That's right.

Sean Febre (17:28):
Because this life?
So jump in the shades, becausemy eyes is just gonna get like
how can you tell me no?
So you worked at the hard rock.

Shi (17:32):
Yeah, let me ask you a question did you get a lot of
people trying to?
You know, just pat the butt alittle bit.
They.
That was like with the corsets.
Yeah, because you know theyhave it sitting yeah yeah, you
would have a lot of that like ohwhoever gets on, kick the fuck
out for jim I'd only had one,because he was so obnoxious and
he was so drunk.
He kept following me everywhereBecause you know you have to go

(17:53):
through and yes, mind you, Ihave this trade with the
glassware.
So you know you're picking upthe glassware as you go.
And at first and I'm a toughcookie, so I'm not one of those
and just like, oh like,extremely intimidated, I know
how to handle myself.
So at first I'm thinking hewants a drink.
He does get a drink from me,like one or two drinks but then
after that he's just kind of oh,let me get your number.

(18:13):
I'm like thank you, I'm notinterested.
He's like what do you mean?
You think I've been?

Max Paul (18:20):
And I was.

Shi (18:20):
He an attractive man at least he wasn't bad looking, but
it's just the approach soyou're saying if you didn't
approach like that, maybe hecan't even say that because I'm
lesbian.
I don't know why do you?
When y'all say that it's avalid statement.

Sean Febre (18:42):
I identify as a lesbian.
Now what?

Shi (18:43):
are we talking about but you're not.
You don't qualify, you don'thave a part.
Why?

Sean Febre (18:49):
no but why we live?

Max Paul (18:51):
in a culture with the ABC community.
I can identify.
Now, I can just identify.

Sean Febre (18:55):
Now I identify as a lesbian, you can't tell me shit.
Wow, I can say it now heidentifies as a woman that likes
other women Yep Lesbian.

Shi (19:06):
I guess not my type.
Love, that's all.

Sean Febre (19:08):
I can say Well, let's say you were strict.

Shi (19:12):
No, but I no.
No, Like he wasn't bad looking,but he was not my type.

Sean Febre (19:17):
So how'd you get him off your back?

Shi (19:19):
Well, eventually, no, I just went to security because
I'm a person.

Sean Febre (19:24):
Yeah, we got to get this guy out of the building.

Shi (19:25):
We could either do that.
So what it was is I was reallycool with the custodians
overnight.
We were all cool because we'reyounger, so it was one that was
kind of like my bodyguard anyway.
So when she seen him she waslike he bothering you and I was
like, yes, she was like hey, youneed to back off, or whatever.
So and I was like, yeah, shewas like hey, you need to.
Her and all her homeboysthey're like hey, you need to
back off or whatever.
So he kind of did a little bit,but then he waited till I was

(19:46):
in another section.
So she's like texting me andshe's like, hey, you good, and
I'm like he keep following me.
She's like say less.
So she went and got the guy orwhatever.
Gertie Garg.
Yeah, was just trying, so he'ssuper creeper yeah, he was just
doing the most, but I'm reallynot one of those that I'm just

(20:07):
not doing all of that.
I'm real smooth, like you know.

Sean Febre (20:09):
It's like, hey, how you doing, how you doing too
much did you ever want to justlike oh well, yeah, you clearly
don't work there anymore, right?
Yeah, I don't work thereanymore.
Um, I is that the type of shitthat made you quit no, I didn't
quit.

Shi (20:22):
So what happened is I had well, I don't like to claim it,
but I uh dealt with asthmayounger.
I only have one, yeah, I onlyhave one bad one, like in
kindergarten.
So you have an inhaler rightyeah, but I don't hardly like
bring it.
I didn't bring something.
I'm just very much to fanningup.
Um, I had one bad asthma attackin kindergarten and then, like

(20:45):
I was good, but I guess thetobacco and the smoke or what
happened in between me workingat the casino which I made so in
between me working that, andthen I ended up getting accepted
to this songwriting seminar.

(21:05):
It was this contest and therewas like 5,000 people submitted
and then they had a top 50.
And I got chose in the top 50.
So they had nod you.
Now I'm going on planes,different climates, women on New
York is raining.
So long story short is one dayI'm with my best friend, we're
riding and I'm coughing and allof a sudden I can't breathe.

(21:27):
She has to rush me to thehospital.
They pretty much say like I wasabout two minutes away from my
lungs, fully collapsing.
And now this whole thing where,like I have to have honey in my
purse all the time, like I,literally I was eating honey so
much Like I used to be.
Like, if you cut me open, I'mnot going to bleed red, it's
going to bleed honey, likethat's just-.

Sean Febre (21:47):
Why the honey?

Shi (21:48):
Because it helps with the mucus and the congestion.
Plus I was still trying to dogigs and stuff like that.

Max Paul (21:54):
Okay.

Shi (21:54):
And my voice had gotten so raspy.

Max Paul (21:56):
Because of the smoke and such.

Shi (21:58):
Yeah.
So I guess between the smokeand the climate I had developed
some type of I ended up gettingthe asthma attack as I when I
got older and I had never gottenan asthma attack since
kindergarten so I couldn't knowhow to deal with it.
So because of that, at the timethey didn't have the no smoking
section at the high rock so Iended up having to leave due to
that, because I got sick andbecause they had me down for a

(22:19):
while, I wasn't able to work forlike three months.
Like it was that bad as far asmy body having to stabilize my
environment.

Sean Febre (22:25):
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Max Paul (23:05):
Thank you for tuning in round two.
Yo, we're back with the lovelymiss she.
She's back for round two ofthis part of the interview.
I mean she.
I've been waiting to ask thisquestions, as before we got back
on camera.
Now I know your podcast isabout having goal-oriented
friends around you.
Okay, how do you feel men andwomen differ in that department?

(23:28):
Do you feel that women are morelikely to have a more
supportive circle than men, orvice versa, or how do you feel
about that?

Sean Febre (23:38):
Yeah, do you think maybe women are less supportive,
or men more supportive, or theother way around.
Yeah, when it comes to yourfriends, my friends, I just
don't mean in general.

Max Paul (23:49):
Oh okay, in general, I'm talking in general, I ain't
going to lie.

Shi (23:52):
I showed out with my friends.

Max Paul (23:55):
I'm only going to get serious.
I'll just say, in general, howdo you feel about that?

Shi (23:59):
I honestly believe everything is an upbringing
thing, so I think that it couldreally depend, because I have a
couple of guys where it's likeit was a community of them like
literally grew up and they allsupported each other, but we
also came from like similarbackgrounds.
So I've always said that I feellike when people identify with
each other, a lot of it isupbringing.

(24:19):
Some people are raised off love, some people are raised off
survival and some people knowhow.
Some people may have never seencertain characteristics but
they want that for their lifefucker, so they don't allow that
to like limit.
It's like I want this out of mylife.

Sean Febre (24:32):
So when I see it's a good thing, I'm gonna connect
so it kind of sounds like it'soutside of gender and it's just
based on the individual yeah, Ifelt like it's a mindset thing
yeah, have you, and you weresaying this off camera about
individuals that will praise youfor what you've done.
But there's also a limitationthere, because maybe they may

(24:52):
not be achieving where you wantto go.
I mean, is there some portionof you that thinks you know what
?
Maybe I got to get outside ofthis because if I'm doing the
best out of my fun group, well,I got to get five more friends
that are doing better than me inorder to achieve.

Shi (25:09):
I do believe it's one of those things where you expand
your horizons.
But I also feel like if youhave a healthy group space where
they're happy for you in everyspace, like they're just rooting
for you because some thingsit's not even.
It also falls on yourdiscipline as well.
Some things that's your thingyeah but if they support you

(25:31):
doing your thing, but justbecause they're not doing that,
they're not doing that.
But that's like with anythingand like if you're a content
creator, it's just morebeneficial if you're the only
content creating friend, yes,your friends are gonna support
you.
They're gonna do certain things, but they're not gonna come
with innovative ideas all thetime.
So your content like anothercontent creative friend, there's

(25:51):
gonna be times where you evenwant to do content.
They're gonna be like, oh forreal, but they'll do it.
But it's not going to be thesame as you coming in the house
with energy and it's like thisis what we coming to do.
So, yes, I do feel like youshould branch out as far as,
whatever it is that you feel,like you you're doing for your
life, that you need to havethose.
You need to have that type ofcircle around you.
And then, as far as your, yourfriends, like your for life

(26:14):
friends or just kind of whetherI'm doing anything, I we choose
each other at the end of the day, as long as they are for you
and they don't make you feellike you're selling out for
going to those different circles.
Those are for lifers.

Max Paul (26:28):
And I feel like those are hard to find nowadays.

Shi (26:30):
Well, I mean.

Max Paul (26:30):
In general, like when you look at a lot of friend
groups, you don't get a lot ofpeople who are just no matter
what you do, they're going tosupport you, as long as it's out
of something positive.

Shi (26:40):
I'm blessed to have that.
I do.

Max Paul (26:41):
I have a sister circle like literally, like waiting to
exhale that whole nostalgic Ihave that and it's always a
blessing to see, but, like Isaid, I think it's also very
rare.

Shi (26:53):
It is.
I get DMs all the time.
I get girls that are like how,how did you, how do you get?
But it's honest, honestly, Ifeel like it's honest.
Honestly, I feel like it's alsoa vibe thing because, um, even
with me being an artist,promoters notice that about me
fast.
They would tell me especially,you know, just in art, my
demographic or land he's likeit's very rare that you he's

(27:16):
like I don't know how you getthem so comfortable like it's.
It's so many of them and womenjust flop to you, doesn't matter
.
Like you know, women can bekind of catty.

Max Paul (27:23):
Very competitive with each other, just especially in
your industry, being an artistand being, you know, an
influencer and being a partner,a lot of times you'll see where
women are.
Not necessarily.
I don't want to say hate oneach other, because they kind of
do though.

Shi (27:45):
A little bit.
But I because you get, you getcompared often versus guys could
sit around like even with theage thing like nobody talks
about, like 2 Chainz was like 40when he started his career but
they constantly would no, I saidanything about it, yeah, but
they'll constantly shame on likeoh, you're trying to rap at 40,
how like the talent isn't thetalent.
You know what?

Sean Febre (27:57):
I'm saying so we got a content creator right here.
Yeah, I don't do too much.

Max Paul (28:03):
I do a little football stuff.

Shi (28:03):
I mean we definitely could plug in.

Sean Febre (28:06):
I mean he's got more followers than both of us
combined.

Max Paul (28:09):
I do okay, I do okay, I do okay, I bless you.
There we go.
I do okay, I bless you.

Sean Febre (28:14):
Such a modest man, such a modest man, I love it
Well, do you have any advice forshe?

Max Paul (28:21):
As far as like growing her content, growing followers,
growing followers, that she asfar as like growing her content,
growing followers, right,followers, uh, that's, that's
just time.
And and finding your algorithm,kind of my algorithm now I
understand where my peakfollowers are going to be, what
time, what's the best time topost, who to plug in with, to
not piggyback off their networksand stuff like that collaborate
, collaborate, yeah, invitedcollaborators, and stuff like

(28:43):
that.
So once you figure out yourniche and kind of know your lane
okay, now I know my lane let mebranch off in these other
little spots and then take thatwith me because I'm so big on
accountability shots that sheseeks um.

Shi (28:56):
I can honestly say I know my niche.
My issue is my consistency.
I'm a person that I tunnelvision, focus, so so when I am
focused, I'm one of those peoplethat can literally build
something like that, and now thefollowers are up.
But then I get overwhelmed withlife because it's just me, okay
.
So then I'll kind of startwhere it's like okay, I'm

(29:20):
consistent, I'm doing it, andthen I'll fall off.
Now they're like now they'relooking for me.
So now I have to constantly putmyself that's so long that I'm
yeah, life.
Honestly, sometimes it's justbecause in my business I've
always been so big like evenwith my podcast right now, like
when people look at it, they'relike how are you?
Like?
I created my logo myself, I dideverything and that's based off

(29:42):
.
Like I taught myself how to dothe AI automations, like I've
been doing.
Yeah, people, but I live.
My brain is just.
I have a very innovative brain.
So when I sit and focus, Ifocus.
But if something throws me off,like whether, yeah, like
especially like big thing for mehas always been financials, so
it's like it's something,because it takes a lot.

(30:03):
You have to invest in yourself,it takes a lot.
So when you're doing so much byyourself and it's like I'm not
18 or 19, I have bills, I haveresponsibilities, so that's the
biggest pressure now on nothaving the financial freedom to
solely focus.
So with me, I will say I'm.
I get blessed withopportunities as soon as I walk

(30:25):
out the door and once I steplike I'm doing something, I get
all kind of doors open for me.
But with that I get so manyeyes at one time it's not
everybody wants to.
And now I'm overwhelmed becauseit's only just me of the way I
put my stuff out.
I guess the level of excellence, the way I do it.

(30:46):
I look so ready that people arelike, hey, now you're here.

Max Paul (30:53):
You're like this ain't even it.

Shi (30:56):
I'm really doing this off of the back of my soul.
Hold on, I got people want tolike, oh, but what paper
interview submissions?
I'm like I understand that.
But the other stuff that I gotto want to like, oh, but what
paper interview submissions?
Did it up.
But I'm like, but I, Iunderstand that, but the other
stuff that I got to pay for it,it may not.
Now I don't, I don't have thetime, cause now I got to work
double shifts just to get that.
Now I'm exhausted so I can'tput in the time in it.

(31:16):
So it's like I'm pacing myselfbased off me.
But when all theseopportunities come in and just
flood, what's the time?
It's the time just because ofthe financial backing I need.
I don't.
You know, I think that's thehardest part, with a lot of
talented people and that's whereit comes with networking.

Sean Febre (31:43):
But you need to be more consistent so you can
attract those people.
What would you say is theamount of time that you would
need in a given day, or even ina week that you would have to
spend in order to overcome thatproblem?
One hour, two hours, threehours?

Shi (31:58):
I think maybe, like I would say probably like a solid, like
maybe three to four hours, butalso it's like Three, four hours
a day, no a day or not.
I would say probably like First, like maybe three to four hours
, but also it's like three, fourhours, no, not, I'll say
probably like a week.
No, I'll probably say like in aday, based off.
But it also depends on what,like how you you're branding
yourself yeah because somepeople I'm I'm very big on

(32:20):
detail yeah and I like I have tore-watch my videos, like, even
though I pay somebody to editand cut, I don't.
I edit and cut all of my stuffafter they cut, because it's
just certain things I see, justmy eye has always been very um
so that that is one of thebiggest uh uh obstacles.

Sean Febre (32:39):
Entrepreneurs and I'm we're not social media
influencers by any means, butone of the biggest obstacles
entrepreneurs have to do isovercome delegation.
And also I own a real estatephotography company.
There are things I see in thephotos that we provide our
customers where I'm like man,this does not look good.
They'll see it and they'll say,wow, looks amazing.

(33:01):
Just because it's not perfectto us doesn't mean it cannot be
perfect to somebody else.
Right, and that is somethingthat we struggled with in the
early days back in 2016, tryingto overcome.
When you have to eventually letgo of that and say you know
what?
It may not be perfect to me,but when they see it somebody

(33:23):
who doesn't have a profession init they'll think it's 100%
perfect.
Right, and I think that's astruggle most entrepreneurs deal
with is letting go, and I wantto give you a piece of advice
here Let go.
Let go.
If it's not perfect, it's fine.
If it's 70% perfect, that'sgood enough, it's fine.

Max Paul (33:47):
If it's 70, perfect, that's good enough.
And a lot of times sometimeswhat you're cutting a little
late.
I know for me what's onfootball videos.
I know me.
I'm very much like you say.
I'll sit with my guy sunny,sunny vegas, shut up to my guy
sunny vega for doing all myvideos.
But I'll sit with them and Iwill go over it two or three
times yeah and now we kind ofhave an idea of what works for
me, right.
But there are times, times whereI've posted something a little

(34:09):
early, before we're finishedwith a product, and got a better
reaction off of it because ofthe rawness of it.
Yeah for sure, it feels raw, itdoesn't feel manufactured, it
feels very real.

Sean Febre (34:18):
Right.

Max Paul (34:19):
And, like along those ways, said sometimes you got to
let that go and just kind of belike, be you be, let it let
everybody see.
Not a polished version of you,not not the perfection.
You, let them see you right.
You know what I mean, because Ilike, even on camera right now,
this is.
This is the polished version ofyou, the raw you, it's cool as

(34:41):
shit.
It's cool.
I mean both versions are dopeyeah I'm saying, like the raw
you may be, what gets you?

Shi (34:48):
yeah, someone saying, hey, I see what you got going on, I
want to invest in you and I doget that because I it's like
it's so crazy that you say that,because that's my, as far as
just being an artist, that's mywhole thing, being raw and
authentic.
Um, I just think also withbeing a woman though a lot of it
is just more of the, especiallyif you're kind of known for a

(35:09):
certain look, absolutely.
So what it is for me is likeI'm always on point, so it's
certain things like angles andjust certain stuff that,
especially if you have, um, mensometimes behind the lens,
they're an eye to them, they'relike like, yeah, they're like
you look, you look.
There's a period and it's likeno, you didn't see how my eyes

(35:32):
copped a little bit, and so it'sjust like that eyelash leaning
and rocking, no, like yeah, butpersonality, like I don't, like
I could rock with it all day,but I also feel like it's like
just taking accountability.
It could just mean beingoverwhelmed with just life,
sometimes like as far as where,now, um, I'm a person and I'm

(35:54):
working on it.
It's uh, they call them et, butI listen to his motivation eric
thomas yes, I love him, and heliterally the hip-hop preacher
yes, and he literally talksabout how you should be like a
hashed version, and I realizethat I'm that.
So sometimes it's like if I getso overwhelmed and I'm not

(36:17):
feeling it, I don't like to doit because I feel like I'm the
best one.
I feel like that energy itchanges, like when I'm editing,
I'm in that bag and I'm feelinglike I could tell the difference
versus when now it's forced,where it's like I'm just doing,
just do it.
I hate that feeling.
So I have to overcome like itdoesn't matter that I'm not
feeling it.
You still need to do it, but Iwon't do it because I'm like I'm
not, like I'll try to, but I'mlike I'm not feeling it today.

(36:39):
So I feel, but I feel like nowit's half ass well, nobody ever
feels like you're able to do ityou're not a team.

Max Paul (36:46):
You're not a team with you when it comes to not
everything not everything no, no, I no, I don't.

Shi (36:51):
It's me, it's me and my videographer.
He's super dope, he's like ajack of all trades, he's young,
he's innovative, like he does soyou guys use ai at all um not
for there's a lot of time thatcan be cut.

Sean Febre (37:03):
Yeah, you can definitely do a lot of ai.

Shi (37:04):
I've been using it as far as, like some of my prompts and
some of my, I'm still gettinginto it, but that's why I said a
lot of it just delegating thetime, because it's times I'm
literally like I'm getting offmy shift overnight and then I'm
going to another job and I'mworking a whole, another 12 hour
shift and I'm going back towork.
So, even though, yes, Itechnically have downtime, my
mind is exhausted.

(37:24):
I don't have the space to justsolely focus on.

Max Paul (37:27):
Let today just be about the podcast what I, what I
would suggest to you is whatI've been doing lately is, even
when I, when we've done stuff inthe past, right like I'll show
him what I'll do is.
I'll get a clip, maybe like 10second clip, and I'll schedule
teaser posts.
I'll schedule teaser storiesbecause now it's you started to

(37:47):
look at me, look at me, look atme Now.
It gives you time to set upyour perfection.
So now, if I start yourattention here and I hit you in
the face with a finished product, now I've kept your follower.
I've kept my current followers.
Hit them.
Now.
My current followers are here.
Now I'm pulling in newfollowers and now that'll help
boost what you got going on.

(38:07):
You know what I mean, yeah,what are you using?

Shi (38:09):
Cause?
I did see.
Um, I had looked, I hadlistened to this seminar for
podcasts.
I forgot what the guy's name is, but he's, he's really dope,
and he said something about Opusclips or something like that.
Opus clips is in, yeah, and Ihaven't tried it.
I keep saying like, like, oh,I'm going to try it with some of
my Google drives.

Sean Febre (38:27):
Let's put it this way You're going to get a lot of
clips from this show from OpusClips, and I upload them onto a
Dropbox folder.
You can view all 30 plus ofthem, so you'll see what they
put out, because we've beenusing them for fucking ever.

Shi (38:45):
Okay.

Sean Febre (38:47):
I wanted to ask you a question because you mentioned
ET.
He's not the only motivationalspeaker I think you listen to.
Have you ever listened to LesBrown?
God, nobody knows Les Brown,les Brown, I know that.

Shi (38:59):
I don't want to say I haven't, because I could have
stumbled on him and just didn'tknow who.

Max Paul (39:02):
Look up Les Brown.
Les Brown and George White.
He's from the George White too.
George White, yes, sir.

Sean Febre (39:10):
Let me follow them now, because I'm a person.
Les Brown is from the.
He is the reason.

Shi (39:14):
Is it Lust or Less?

Sean Febre (39:16):
L-E-S.
That's it.
L-e-s Brown.

Shi (39:19):
Why does that sound familiar?

Sean Febre (39:21):
Because he's the baby boy of Mama, mama, mamie
Brown.
Yeah, and he was born on the,on the fucking footsteps of.
Once you hear him, you've heard.
Yeah, let's put it this way LesBrown is by far the best
motivational speaker ever.
He grew up educably mentallyretarded is what they labeled

(39:45):
him as and he had his ownspecial on PBS.
He had sold out arenas all overthe united states all in the
80s and I found him and I quitmy job and we started, me and my
brother uh, for braveframeworks.
And since then it's been nolooking back.
He's had the biggest impact onmy life ever and I'm pretty sure

(40:08):
etT kind of took a little bitfrom Les Brown.
But ET's good.
I mean, he's not bad.
He screams a lot.
You know this is moremotivational, but again, he's
what I'm got.

Shi (40:19):
I love his grit and his passion, though.

Sean Febre (40:21):
Well, he was homeless, homeless.
His story is insane.

Max Paul (40:24):
Yeah, les Brown's story is good.
I'm not going to lie, I'm notgoing to lie One day.

Shi (40:29):
It was one day because I would in between jobs, just I
would do Uber Eats, and it wasone day I literally listened to
him all day just to make my goal.
And it was such a hard day andit's like every time I wanted to
quit I would hear something andI literally I can literally say
that day I made my goal.
It took me all day and I endedup actually at the end, once I

(40:51):
seen all the tits came in fromUber Eats, I ended up making
double my goal.
But it was like at first itjust wasn't.
I guess it wasn't showing up,but it just let me know, like
the power of the mind and whatyou listen to, what you're
around, and sometimes it's kindof one of those things, like you
said, you can know what you'resupposed to be doing, but
sometimes you just need thatextra push.
Sometimes you need that.

(41:11):
I can't only motivate myself somuch, but that's where you have
to build it.
You have to look for otheravenues.
So that's why I said it's asafe space to fix your face.
Sometimes it's me.

Sean Febre (41:20):
And I suggest Say that again.

Shi (41:27):
It's a safe space to fix your face.

Sean Febre (41:28):
I was ready and sometimes and sometimes I don't
know if you guys have ever donethis or not, but I've done it.
I've fallen to sleep tomotivational videos, like when I
want to go to sleep.
Sometimes I'll just put onmotivational videos on youtube,
but I'm not looking at them.
Uh, I'm just listening to itand I fall asleep to it and
somehow that shit rewires yoursubconscious in order to think

(41:53):
more powerfully about yourself.
Yeah, not just what you've heard, but then now, when you're
listening to it subliminally,you're applying it unconsciously
in your life without evenrealizing it.

Shi (42:05):
Right, it's wild, yeah, no, it really is yeah, it really is
so all of it, that it really isso all of it.
That's why I said all of it isjust like I said girlfriends,
even this conversation, likethat's what this is for, like I
feel like I know she speaks likemy best friend tells me all the
time like, and she stays on melike she's like when's your next
episode, when's your nextepisode what are we doing?

(42:27):
Oh, I love it.
Go ahead, we can make thathappen.
We can make that happen, I meanyou need your own podcast.
I'm telling you, I can't waitto have these against the piece
of land.

Max Paul (42:38):
I'm an assistant guest and guest host.

Sean Febre (42:42):
I think a podcast named Max Gaines would be a good
name.
Max Gaines, ah, good name, maxGaines.
Let's think about that.

Shi (42:55):
See what happens when you have girlfriends.
That's what I'm saying.
It just hits differentsometimes it's just a little bit
.

Sean Febre (43:02):
Yeah.

Shi (43:04):
As far as just working on stuff and getting back into it.
It's more of like she speaks ismanifestation.
I know that's.
It's more of like she speaks,his manifestation.
I know that's the thing.
I feel like my she speaks isgoing to be the foundation for
all the other things that I havedone, Cause I've done
placements, songwriting,placements, all kinds of things,
and it's just more of kind ofyou need a foundation that's

(43:25):
going to tie everything.
So, even though I getoverwhelmed she speaks, I have
told myself like, no matter howmany times, I gotta make sure I
get that into it, like I'm notgiving up on it, make sure don't
.
Yeah, I'm not giving up, I feellike I am.
She speaks, though you areshe's?
yeah, she speaks.

(43:45):
So it's like, even if it's notin a full podcast form, always
drop in gyms, like when you comeon you guys, come on, y'all
will be on the theme Gadsden GymDropouts.
That's what it's called for mykids.

Sean Febre (43:57):
And when we get back we will continue this very
rewarding conversation with bothMax and she.
And please like, comment andsubscribe.
Once again, we're on all themajor socials, all the major
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If you have any questions,please, uh, email sean s-e-a-n.
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(44:22):
emails and, uh, who knows,maybe we'll feature you on one
of the podcasts.
We'll be right back.
Thank you you for tuning inLove you guys.

Shi (44:32):
What's up, y'all?
It's she when she Speaks and weare back at Happy Hour Holidays
.
I'm with my guys and we'rechilling.
You know, we finna get into it.

Max Paul (44:42):
She said that all sensual like uh.

Sean Febre (44:47):
We finna get into it .

Max Paul (44:48):
She said it like that again we go to go.

Sean Febre (44:49):
It's hard to be like that.
I love you.
You, my Eric Day.
I think I just set them up On ablind date here.

Shi (45:02):
I mean, we already matching , you know yeah.

Sean Febre (45:07):
Damn.
Beige and black, beige andblack Sorry about that.
And then black again.
Yeah Right, I think you weresinging something to him,
weren't you?

Max Paul (45:21):
Vax, I was getting serenaded, I knew it.

Sean Febre (45:23):
Yeah.

Max Paul (45:27):
Let it fool you, she was serenading the big old
camera.

Shi (45:29):
I do have this R&B song called Soon.
It is out on platforms now.
I could give you a look.

Max Paul (45:37):
Give us a look.
That's what we're going to use.

Shi (45:39):
Okay now, it's a little sensual now.

Sean Febre (45:41):
Oh, let me go.
You going to sit back, yougoing to sit back and relax,
mm-hmm.

Shi (45:53):
Soon as I get home.
Drop them drawers.
I make it up to you and youdon't have to talk.
I know what you want.
That's all I need from you.
Damn Touch you, love you, holdyou easy, babe.
That's all I need from you.
Damn, touch you, love you, holdyou easy, babe.

(46:14):
Don't gotta make it complicated.
No, touch you, love you, holdyou easy, babe.
Don't gotta make it complicatedright here.
My ambitions take a lot.
I be busy in and out.
I don't mean make itcomplicated right here.
My ambitions take a lot.
I be busy in and out.
I don't mean to keep youwaiting.

(46:35):
I'm admiring your patience.
Shit.
You know I'm worth it.
I've been fiending for a week.
We gonna keep this herediscreet.
I'm the lady in the streetsCause the weapon in the sheets.
Bust it all on you.
Got a bad bitch on your mantle.
Help me keep it G real simple.
Got a list of things on themenu.

Max Paul (46:56):
We can do the thing in the rental, something like that
, let me tell you that she saiddrop them drawers, and he almost
came home.

Shi (47:06):
Something like that, but yeah that's soon Damn.

Sean Febre (47:10):
your voice is remarkable, thank you, and you
also got uh, a single that youalready put out with a music
video yeah, we shout that shitout.

Shi (47:20):
Yeah, shout out to we slinging and we gonna have a
good time.
Y'all can check me out.
It's artist she a r t I s s h?
I and we slinging sling game.
It's uh, thats-h-i and weslinging Swing gang.
That was the name of the song,though.
Yeah, we swinging.

Max Paul (47:34):
Now I saw the video off camera and it was in a skate
rink In the Bro Bowl Historical, in the Bro Bowl, tampa,
original Downtown Tampa.
Now, how did you choose thatlocation?
Like, what brought you to that?
Like, instead of, instead ofusing, like a united gates or
something like that?
What?
What made you say we're goingto grow?

Shi (47:54):
so I wanted it to be authentic.
Um, I'm a 90s girl okay like Isaid, like I shoot, I just
posted a picture that said I'm ashe got a vibe like the 90s in
the world of 2000s.
So I wanted that feel of it's afeel good song.
Yeah, when you listen to it itmakes you think of barbecues, it
makes you think of kids playingoutside.
Even the music video I got kidsin it, they jump rope and we

(48:16):
playing.
So I wanted it to be moreauthentic.
I wanted to give the nostalgiaof fun, because that was like
the first song I had did um in along time.
But I was like going throughlike my troubled time.
I had like a little troubledtime where I kind of was trying
to find myself again.
So we sang.
It was like the first song thatjust felt like me.
It wasn't something I had tothink about, so I just wanted.

(48:40):
I wanted good times, good vibes.
I wanted to take it back wherewe didn't have any worries,
because right now everybody'sstressing and it is.

Max Paul (48:46):
And after, even before seeing the video, just hearing
it glitch, because I obviouslysaw the video second, but just
hearing it reminds you it has ahome feeling like it has.
It has that old, like a not soold, but like a like a good vibe
feeling.
Yeah, I said like, it's verymuch like you, just kind of
hanging out.

(49:06):
You know what I mean.
And it's you don't get musiclike that anymore, especially in
this industry today.
Like, and it brings to ourpoint of how do you feel the
music industry is now versusbefore?
Because for me, I believe justnow music is made for commercial
purposes only, it's made fordirect demographic Right, no

(49:29):
mass consumption.
Yeah, like there's no feel goodmusic.
There's no feel good music,there's no.
Like there's no song that youcan pick out right now, at least
in my opinion, you can go.

Shi (49:36):
That thing just make you feel good, that thing just make
you feel good, like thenostalgia, yeah, that's, and
that's really what I was workingon, like I I felt like there
was a market for that.
Um, I feel like right now thattype of music is still being
done.
It's just, oh, it's likeunderground music, like all our
good music growing up is notunderground music.

(49:57):
You have some artists trying tobring it back and certain
things.
I think that's why they keepbring implementing like 90
samples in.
Yeah, but just with themachines and the industry right
now, you have to give the peoplewhat they want.
So it's just kind of likehaving the, I guess, the
audacity to break out intosomething different, and I think
that's the beauty of whenyou're not fully discovered yet,

(50:17):
you can create your own thingand there's no agenda to what
you put out, um, but when yousay that, like we swinging, I
get so many, like I got my firstbooking in cali off of a TikTok
platform just cause they heardme swinging.
Like so I, anywhere I go, like Ijust got a booking in Miami,
for it's like when people hearwe swinging, it's electric.

(50:39):
Like I think the first time Iwent to a club here and I just
played it and just to sit thereand see the reaction and the DJs
, people walk, they was like yo,who's singing this?
I gotta get this song.
Like they thought it was comingon the radio or something like
oh, it's me, you know.
So I know I've tapped intosomething and I actually have an
EP that gives all of thosevibes.

(50:59):
I just haven't released anyother songs because I really
want to push this one.
Like you said, the music videobeen out for a year and it
should have way more views thanit has, but I think I think we
might be to go ahead and pushthis over to our friends at 94
yeah, we're gonna have to, man,because why is that not out yet?

Sean Febre (51:16):
uh, and, like you said, those feel good songs.
Because I mean what and this iswhy I stopped listening to rap
was the mumble rappers, bro,like the little yacht.
I'm like, what the fuck's hesaying?
Yeah, I mean, we grew up in anera with like lil wayne, young
jock, young gz, and they wereactually vocalizing what they

(51:39):
were saying and then I don'tknow where the fuck it made a
right turn, but they stoppedsaying words and I'm like, where
am I?

Max Paul (51:47):
listening to this I was thinking that who was a
designer with that panda song?
That's in it, yeah, yeah.

Shi (51:55):
And it's so crazy, though, for me to be like, oh that panda
, panda, panda, panda, panda,panda.
I guess I'm just like going toappreciate, like I get it.
But I guess maybe that's theblessing of the fact that I do
write for everything.
It's like I'm appreciative ofif something evokes emotion out
of anybody, like some things.
But I get it though.

(52:16):
I get wanting to have words andwanting to feel like.
You know, we used to go andread like rewind that.
So, you wouldn't have to belooking up the lyrics so you can
actually print in the lyricsout.

Sean Febre (52:26):
I remember that, so it's like actually printing the
lyrics out.
I remember that time.
You don't want to.
What is it?
The Lil Wayne one.

Shi (52:32):
Make sure you wear the latex you don't want to get
latex.

Sean Febre (52:36):
That hey, I'm latex.
I'm like damn.

Max Paul (52:40):
though when you read that shit out, you're like Like
now that I'm grown when I was akid I was like I had no business
singing that first off.

Sean Febre (52:51):
But then now I'm like he's not wrong.
You know what's so wild?
I saw me where Lil Wayne waslike I said that and he was like
ooh that shit is hard and thenall of a sudden you're getting.
It's like mumble rap.

Max Paul (53:04):
See, I should listen to Lil Wayne.
That's how I got a kid Boydidn't wear a latex.

Sean Febre (53:11):
I got that.

Shi (53:12):
He was listening to rap, but you weren't listening to a
fly.

Max Paul (53:14):
I wasn't flying, that it's okay.

Shi (53:17):
That's probably why they started monger rapping.
They ain't listening to anybody.

Sean Febre (53:20):
They don't listen to anybody.
They're good, they're rolling.

Shi (53:24):
Miranda Tomato's going to rap it anyway.

Max Paul (53:27):
I said it the other day to one of my friends because
, you know, as a little kid,Cameron Hart does the voice for
one of the characters on Pets.

Sean Febre (53:37):
Yeah, yeah, the dog.
I would love to do a voice onPets.
He does the bunny.

Max Paul (53:42):
The white bunny.
Yeah, so at the end of one ofthe movies he's rapping to Panda
and I just movies he's rappingto panda and I just think it's
the funniest thing ever.
I'm like this is better thanthe original version.
Is he in?

Shi (53:52):
his chocolate drop voice.

Max Paul (53:53):
You know when he does if I'm gonna do a feature, it
might be kevin hart on hischocolate drop album and then
you gotta have what's the oneguy, uh, marco yeah you gotta
have him judging the way hemakes things.

Shi (54:12):
You don't know who marco is the gosh, what is this?

Max Paul (54:15):
uh, what is I forgot?
What's your name?

Shi (54:17):
uh, he's a, he's a black guy.
He has like like his hair is Idon't know, but he makes the
interviews so like awkwardlyfunny like, like he's so serious
like oh, oh, what is his name?
I can't think of it right now,but if you look up, marco, I
don't know, but it'll probablycome up.

(54:41):
But yeah, he's funny.
But yeah, I would definitelyhave him on there to be the
judge.
Absolutely yeah, it's goingviral.
It's going viral.
I need that in my life.

Sean Febre (54:50):
You know you asked early on the five best rappers
Five best.

Max Paul (54:58):
My five most influential artists, artists,
yeah.

Sean Febre (55:00):
So can I ask you what are the five best whether
female or male rappers of alltime?
That's cheap.

Shi (55:07):
That's hard, I'm not doing it.
Thailand rappers of all time.
That's cheap, that's hard, Ican't even I'm not gonna say
name your number one, then it's.
For me, stuff like that it'shard because I'm such a creative
like different things make mefeel different at different

(55:27):
times all right, then let me askyou both, eminem.
I like Eminem Top 10.
Easily top 10.

Max Paul (55:34):
He's in my top 10 and he's probably like number six.
He's like the lyrical master,though, because, well, see, my
top 10 is a little different,because Nas is in my top 10.
I love him.
Yeah, they beefed.

Sean Febre (55:51):
Nas is in my Topsin.
What it was all a dream.
That's cool.
I used to read Word Up magazine.
He's like number 8 or 9.

Shi (55:59):
I like Biggie, I like Tupac though.

Max Paul (56:03):
Tupac's closer to the top for me.

Sean Febre (56:05):
Tupac went to the School of the Jewelry Arts, yeah
, so he was actually not agangsta, he played one.
That's pretty good.
There was actually an interviewwith Tupac where he stated you
know, I just played thischaracter as a rapper, but
that's not really me.
Did you guys see that interviewwith him?

(56:26):
I was blown away.

Shi (56:27):
I was like for the longest time he understood.
I feel like for the longesttime he understood.
Yeah, I feel like he had it inhim, though, because he
definitely could get there.

Sean Febre (56:37):
How does a person that goes to Juilliard consider
himself a gangster?
Oh, it's the same way.

Max Paul (56:43):
Drake is somebody relevant.

Sean Febre (56:44):
Well, yeah, Degrassi .

Max Paul (56:45):
Yeah, you were on a multi-million dollar show as a
kid grew up in the suburbs.

Sean Febre (56:52):
I just think people at the under-safety.

Shi (56:53):
His real name's Clarence.

Sean Febre (56:55):
His real name is Aubrey Graham.

Max Paul (56:57):
Yes, I know your name is Aubrey Graham sir, people are
multi-dimensional.

Sean Febre (57:01):
I'm not mad at it.
I'm not mad at it.
No, no, you put out a song.
It's like they're playing arole just for the media.

Max Paul (57:07):
He put out that song started from the bottom.
I was like what was your bottom?
You had a pool as a kid growingup.

Shi (57:12):
But you know what?
What his bottom was Canada.
You want to know what hisbottom was?
His bottom for him is he wantsto be a rapper and he's on the
grass in a wheelchair.
How bottom can you get?

Sean Febre (57:30):
I thought he couldn't walk in real life.
Actually, I swear for the longenough.

Shi (57:32):
I thought he was long enough.
Imagine where he is now.
Yeah, and even like the factthat people be like you came
from the grassy and now, butthen when you think of Drake,
that is his bottom.

Sean Febre (57:44):
Yeah, but didn't Kendrick completely destroy?

Shi (57:49):
He did, but now you got people saying what the fuck the
function?

Sean Febre (57:55):
Baby girl.

Max Paul (57:56):
But he said drop, and Drake name is in it.

Sean Febre (57:59):
Yeah, did you see, diddy, shit yeah, because Drake
is in that list of names hedropped.
Listen, I like Drake, no Diddy.

Max Paul (58:10):
Hey, look, look ready.
You know they get real quiet,since those names dropped, jay-z
, jay-z ain't said a fuckingthing, jay-z ain't said a lot
for a while.

Sean Febre (58:17):
But yeah, why'd he say it?
I saw the all-white party.
No, he did speak.

Shi (58:22):
No, they did make a statement, though at first, when
everything he made a littleyeah he said I swear that wasn't
me, I was not fucked in the assby him.

Sean Febre (58:32):
That's what brings me to Sarah.

Shi (58:33):
That's what he said.
I made that up.

Sean Febre (58:37):
I was going to say verbatim, you were there.
I've been to Miami, Diddy don'tkill me, he can't.

Max Paul (58:46):
He's my high bar.
He can't do anything.
I thought he was walking free.

Shi (58:49):
No, absolutely not.
Just because he's behind barshe can't do anything.
I thought he was walking free.
No, absolutely not.
Just because I made my mindpart, so he ain't got here to
stop me.

Max Paul (58:54):
That's true, he's not that guy you don't think he was
going to be terrified of, evenif he's in jail.

Sean Febre (59:01):
Shug Knight Diddy.
Shug Knight killed somebody.

Max Paul (59:04):
Diddy couldn't even get his people to act right to
keep him out of jail.

Sean Febre (59:10):
Right these people to act, right to keep them out
of jail, right?
I mean, he did it for so longyou can't tell me something was
going on in that dating?

Max Paul (59:14):
party, man Okay.

Sean Febre (59:14):
R Kelly.
We knew R Kelly was acting upfor 30 years.
Yeah, now he's in jail.

Max Paul (59:18):
It took them 30.
And you can't cancel R Kelly.
I'm not canceling R Kellybecause I'm rolling with it.

Shi (59:26):
I was like I don't want to get canceled for this and it's
not about.
Didn't you hear a song calledIn the Closet?
I'm for women's rights, I'm sofor women's rights, but certain
things I'm like listen bro.

Max Paul (59:37):
Dang, I didn't do his music.

Shi (59:39):
I was mad at some of his music.
I'm like sometimes you got toseparate the talent from the man
.
That's what they're saying.
I'm not supporting what he did,but Step In the Name Of Love.
My grandma and them had me.
Step In the Name Of Love.
I'm not y'all not finna, messup my childhood memories, it's
not finna change the playlist.
Cause on my wedding day we gon'play it the way, the way.

(01:00:00):
That one song, that one song,one of Key In the Ignition.

Sean Febre (01:00:05):
No, Key In the Ignition is nice, but no, ken
ignition is nice, but though theone song that he makes where
he's talking about being in thecloset.
And he's got part one, part two, part three you're talking
about R Kelly?

Shi (01:00:16):
no, but we're not talking about that.
I'm talking about he literallyhad three songs the last song,
no it was called in the closetpart one, part two, part three.

No, but you know how ?

Shi (01:00:28):
do you know the fact that he was on his own remix R Kelly
remix itself featuring him?
Fact Lil Wayne was on it.
And we listen to it.
But he's still talking about it, though.

What?
How'd it go?
Rap it what?
Because you're a rapper too,though we got the song the
artistry of singer.
Now, we haven't gotten a rap.
Though you want a rap, yeah,why not?
I'll freestyle just whateveryou like there, Unless you got
to freestyle.
Unless you got to freestyle.

Shi (01:01:00):
I mean, I'm a writer, so all of my stuff comes out like a
freestyle, but it's written.

Max Paul (01:01:04):
Do it.
I'm waiting on a good freestyle.

Hey, talk about Max.
Ooh, oh, I'm not on thedifferent stuff.

Shi (01:01:09):
Hey, talk about Max, ooh.
Oh, I'm not going to lie, I'mnot a freestyler like that.

Oh, no, I don't mean it in a negative way.

Shi (01:01:14):
No, I mean like just talk about Max.
No, I'm saying like I'm not afreestyler like that, like I
don't you know how people likeme she?
Once you get in your pocket,you just write in the book like
that.
I am a writer forever.
I could write a full song inlike five minutes.
Tops Just give me the beat andonce I catch the vibe.

(01:01:36):
But as far as just being likeyo, this is true and this is
where I be here we go, Give methe beat.

That's it.
Dj Catch the vibe.
Whoa, whoa.
What's the?
She just said what the fontshould do that Drake song.
What kind of BPM do you want?
Slow, fast.

Shi (01:01:54):
So y'all didn't have me write a song, not write one Just
see.

You know, just freestyle a little bit.
Oh my gosh, what do you thinkabout 120 BPM?
I'm not sure.

Max Paul (01:02:07):
Let's play it.

Shi (01:02:07):
Let me see what 2130 would be a good.
Let me see what I can see.
It's not too fast instrumental.

Oh, what if we do an instrumental, that uh or we
could, or I mean, I have sevenactually I got a lot of things
in the chamber.

Shi (01:02:23):
I have plenty things in the chamber.

Max Paul (01:02:24):
I'm a writer, you guys she said I can do this all day.
No, no, I got one.

Shi (01:02:31):
He wants stuff on his spot.
Hey, listen we're creatingcontent here.
Yeah, we totally are Let me see.

How do you spell instrumental?
Okay, there it goes.
Instrumental.
All right, this one may get youa little distracted.
Here we go, woo.
What are we talking about?

Shi (01:03:02):
Do you want to write a song to this?

No, I told you I don't freak out.
We're not the people, what theywant, they're not the many you
were asking.

Shi (01:03:13):
Aight, this is not an off the head, though.

Go ahead.

Shi (01:03:16):
Oh, let's go.
Yeah, are you ready?
Okay, uh, look, had to dependwhere it all begins, bleeding
like a mystery with that ink tomy thin strokes, getting a prop
she dope, but they ain't me.
I spit folly, they mouth driveonce it's released, uh, murder
to the beat and I ain't givingno flea.
Put your ear to the street.
See what the top phone be.
See the top, it's still me.

(01:03:37):
I'm a relevant subject.
Silent whispers as I enter,addressing the public.
Uh, and how they feel, how theyfeel, how they feel smiling in
my face, but they heartbeatsfeel.
But I ain'tpping everybodyain't real, because the ones
that hate me most gonna get memy deal.
James, I desire who I inspire.
They're a component.
Get this.
Since I was a child Tounderstand my mind, it might

(01:03:58):
take you a while.
The reason to smile ain't noreason to frown.
Yeah, that's how I feel.
It feel good how I feel.
Yeah, it feel real good how Ifeel Woo.

Okay, go Up it goes Up, it goes.

Max Paul (01:04:15):
See, it wasn't no mumble rap.
No, none of that.
Yeah, none of that, not all ofthat Wow.

See, that's all I want.

Max Paul (01:04:25):
That was it.
That was it.
Thank you thank you Damn.
That was hard, bro.
Thank you, thank you Damn.

That was hard, bro, thank you.

Max Paul (01:04:32):
So what is your like as an artist?
What do you prefer being?
I know you said I feel like asinger is what you prefer, but
but I know you said you don'tlike being boxed into something.

Shi (01:04:43):
I actually love, like I love writing, so I think I would
love to my my sound overall forit to be in the middle okay,
kind of so, probably when theymade like trap soul a thing
because I would want toimplement old school r&b 90s but
like real lyrical content, makeit catchy, because now you're

(01:05:03):
gonna have to make half yoursound you know what I'm saying,
but I I love melodies andharmonies and, uh, especially
the three-part harmonies.
I always implement that in myhooks.
Um, I just love something thatyou could feel.
I love the smoothness, but Ialso love the rawness of lyrics.
Okay, so, like, none of mystuff is ever gonna be dumbed
down, even if, even even likethe uh cypher that I just had

(01:05:26):
y'all listen to like it stillwas catchy, like, but I use
certain, um, I use certaincatchy quotes, but it's still,
you know, like in the club weall fan yeah, you got.

Max Paul (01:05:38):
You got quotes that people recognize from yeah,
either different social mediachallenges or song and evokes an
emotion.
Yeah, based off of that, likeyeah, but but still dropping
bars.

Shi (01:05:50):
I love the fact that when people listen to my stuff they
do have to go back.
They be like wait what did yousay?

Let me interrupt one more time.
Do you guys want to do one moresegment?

Shi (01:06:00):
I mean we can.

I got time.
Okay, all right, we'll be rightback.
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(01:06:22):
welcome back to how.
Oh shit, and that's how we'restarting it out.
We're cranking it up.
Happy hour holidays.
We have been, you know,experimenting with some
alcoholic beverages at 5 pm.
I swear to God, that's the time.

Max Paul (01:06:39):
Shine libations.

Some libations.

Max Paul (01:06:43):
Libations.

And we've had a very interesting conversation with
both Max and also she, and Iforgot where we were going with
this stuff.
It's okay.

Shi (01:06:55):
Where did we stop?

Max Paul (01:06:58):
We stopped.
She gave us a beautiful,beautiful freestyle on the back
end.
That's where we were going at.
Now my question is this assomeone who is both artist and
behind the scenes with thewriting, which one drives you
more so like?
Are you more passionate aboutthe writing aspect of it, or the

(01:07:21):
artistry of it, or theperformance aspect of it, or is
it all kind of equal?
Equal all parts, all the wayright?

Shi (01:07:26):
yeah, I love it.
I love the energy of the stage.
My looks changes Like I'mreally into looks, like I'll go
full, like I'll paint my wholebody green and be the Grinch for
a sheen.
She's Gamora.
Yeah, like it is.
I'm really like artistry is art, like every aspect, even if I
wasn't on stage, and I hadsomebody tell me that it was

(01:07:48):
Every aspect, even if I wasn'ton stage, and I had somebody
tell me that it was like.
You know, you're so like, evenoff the stage, you're still just
you.
Yeah, and so that's how I feel,like I am, like art is I, live,
breathe, speak.
It doesn't matter.
Okay, you know.

Max Paul (01:08:02):
And when it comes to the podcast, do you bring that
same artistry to the podcast,from an aesthetic standpoint of
the set to the flow of thetopics and stuff like that, For
sure.
And how do you seem to beunapologetically and
authentically you through all ofthis?

Shi (01:08:20):
I think that is my thing, the fact that I am
unapologetically.
That is me, that's you.

I'm the uniform have you had media training, bro,
because I swear to God, you wereborn for this.

Max Paul (01:08:30):
Yeah, wow, man, I was taking a class or two back in
the day.

Shi (01:08:35):
You should.
It's all you interrupt.
Yeah, I thought you were fine,but, yeah, I feel like that's
the because.
That's what art is.
Art just makes you feel.
Yeah, I don't, I'm notapologizing for whatever emotion
I evoke out of you.
Yeah, apologizing for whateveremotion I evoke out of you.
Yeah, you know, I'm just.
I just am what I am, and inorder to make you feel, I have
to stand in 100% of what I feel.

Max Paul (01:08:54):
Yeah, stand on that.

Shi (01:08:55):
Yeah, and I just feel like that's my superpower, like just
being like my podcast outside of, like I have little slogans
like the safe space to fix yourface.
Then I have the grab your wine,girl, let's drink, drink, and
you can bring him too.
And then I also have that.
It's for the accountable, thevulnerable and just being the

(01:09:15):
authentic, because you, you needthat, like so many people are
like trying to figure out whothey are, why, why are you
trying to figure out who you are?

Max Paul (01:09:23):
just be you you are already who you are in that yeah
and I know you, you know safeplace to fix your face.
So with your podcast, do yougenuinely bring on more female
guests?
More male guests?
Is it a good mix of both?

Shi (01:09:38):
I do a good mix of both, like the next episodes coming up
.
I actually have because, like Isaid, I'm like Tampa, henning
Jim, so I am very well, we'renot going to let you be here.

Yeah, I know.

Shi (01:09:55):
We're not gonna let you be here.
Yeah, I know right, we're notgonna let you be here.
It's almost like you're tryingto hide yourself.
I'm not, I've worked in so manyspaces.
It's just more of, like yousaid, girlfriends.
That's why the reason why Iknow she speaks this for me is
alignment like this yes ma'am,it's literally like but you know
, she pointed just at Max.

Max Paul (01:10:08):
No, she, she know, she already saying to me she know
we go together now that's allright, and she matched me and
she matched me.
It's our first date.
You know what I mean?
We'll send it, we'll do, we'lldo.
Date two on her podcast.

Period Date three on your podcast Deal.

Max Paul (01:10:32):
Call it you heard it here first.
You heard it here first.
Day three is on my podcast.

Shi (01:10:36):
Girlfriends already, girlfriends already.
But no, I just really feel likesometimes it's not that you're,
it's not even that people don'trecognize your talent.
Sometimes you're just not inthe right rooms, or you can get
comfortable and only be so faryou know not in the right rooms.
You can get comfortable andonly be so far you know.
So when she speaks I felt likemy energy and everything already
gets me in the room.
It's just more of depending onwhat room I'm in.

(01:10:57):
Sometimes you need people thatknow, people that you don't know
yeah.
Like, hey, I can actually, and alot of people you know they
could talk, or we have to putthe grind in so much Nobody
knows the right people.
Yeah, I'm laying out all thisstuff, but we don't have the
right connects to get it whereit needs to go.
Okay, so you know, that's whatthis is for.

Max Paul (01:11:18):
I like it.
I like it, cheers, and when itcomes to safe space to fix your
face is that the name of thepodcast?
No, no, she got a little slogan, she got a little slow, she got
a little quick catchy joints.
Oh yeah, she got a safe face tofix.

Shi (01:11:29):
Face the I like how you pay attention.

Max Paul (01:11:33):
Every woman loves a man who listens.
Yes, that's very true.
Ready, very true, ready, readyfor these five pairs.
Give me what I mean.

Shi (01:11:42):
That's a superpower.

Max Paul (01:11:42):
You know I'm trying to , I'm trying to.
I always tell people to fixtheir face, like a lot of times
just in life, enjoy, hey, man,fix your face, yeah.
But for that, how do you feelwhen it comes to adjusting your
friend circle?
I know you've got you saidyou're blessed with a good group
around you to kind of upliftyou.

(01:12:03):
Do you ever feel like, when youneed to check one of your
friends that you had to come to,to come with them from a place
of love, or is it just kind ofbased on person to person type
deal?

Shi (01:12:14):
I can say is based off on person to person.
I do everything in love, though.
That is me, I am love.

Max Paul (01:12:20):
Yes, ma'am.

Shi (01:12:21):
So, um, that's just the foundation of of anything.
I feel like anybody.
Even if I'm having to talk toyou or we're having a difficult
conversation, I want you toalways feel loved at all times.
If I'm not coming from a spaceof love, then I need to check
myself, and I will check myselfbefore I even say anything.
But I'm very big on energy.
I've always been like that, soif my energy's off, it doesn't

(01:12:43):
matter, even if it's like megoing on the stage.
I believe I'm a vessel and Godgave me all these gifts in time.
I know I'm gifted, I know I'mdifferent, I know I'm rare.

Max Paul (01:12:51):
That's right.

Shi (01:12:51):
I've known that since a little girl, so because of that
I do not take that lightly and Iknow how prominent my energy is
.
So if my energy is off in anyway, I'm not transcending that
to anybody, so I just know howto you know, let me chill, chill
, relax.
Let me come back to you in aminute, yeah, so like, and I get

(01:13:12):
this yeah because, even if Ifelt that way, there's a way
that I can say it where?
Because a lot of times youcould say that is a true
statement when people it's likeit's not what you say, it's how
you say it, like sometimes it'snot even that what you said was
wrong, but a person can't even,they can't even get the message
because they're wounded by yourdelivery.
And sometimes people be like oh, I'm so real, you can't just no

(01:13:34):
, be honest, because there'scertain things you can't take.
Yeah, no, take that person intoconsideration.
How would you feel if this is avulnerable?

Max Paul (01:13:41):
space for you, you know what I'm saying.

Shi (01:13:43):
Like and people need to feel.
You need to feel safe to faceyour face.
That's the only time whenpeople really do.
It's hard to be vulnerable whenyou feel like somebody punching
you out.

Max Paul (01:13:54):
You want me to be open like this and you swinging at
me.
No, my duke's gonna be up then.
And yeah, it's funny.
You mentioned vulnerabilitybecause I recently talked on one
of our friends uh, no, Iwouldn't say a podcast, but we
were just having a conversationand we're talking about men and
being vulnerable just in general.
And you know, he, him and his,him and his lady do the show and
they were saying that, you know, women, it's easy for women to

(01:14:16):
be vulnerable with each otherthan it is for men to be
vulnerable, period.
And I said you know, how do youfeel about that?
I know, for me, I look at it asfrom a condition standpoint.
It is a little different formen because you, you're always
taught to hey, suck it up, don'tcry, don't do this.
You know what I mean?
Yeah, so a lot of times, theonly place you really can be

(01:14:36):
vulnerable is with your old lady, like I already got to fight
the world on all ends.
Right, I should come home andat least, yeah, and this be the
safe space, right?
Do you feel that men nowadaysneed to be more vulnerable, even
given the the stigma that comeswith it?

Shi (01:14:53):
I believe that you guys deserve to not have to deal with
a stigma yeah I believe thatthat's not fair to y'all, the
fact that y'all even have todeal with that, um, because it
kind of projects, in a way, ofyou having to like, mask
yourself, mask pain, mask thingsthat are real.
You're dealing with real thingsas well.

(01:15:14):
So, um, I don't blame, I don'tblame y'all for certain things
that y'all had to.
You know, whatever uh face yeahyou've had to, but I do
appreciate a man thatunderstands that and that
doesn't make that an excuse.
I I appreciate anybody that'slike, yeah, this is what I've
had to, but I do appreciate aman that understands that and
that doesn't make that an excuse.
I appreciate anybody that'slike, yeah, this is what I've
had to deal with, but this isnot what I want to be.

Max Paul (01:15:36):
Yeah.

Shi (01:15:36):
And then breaking out of that and for that I will forever
protect that Like yeah.

Max Paul (01:15:42):
And, I think, a lot of guys, at least for me.
I can speak for me.
I don't want to speak for allmen.
Yeah, being an athlete,everything you do for most the
majority of your life, isperformance based.

Shi (01:15:52):
Right, right right.

Max Paul (01:15:53):
So, like in high school, you're trying to perform
to get to college.
In college, you're performingto get to pro, pro, you're
performing to get a check, andthen, when you take that to a
relationship standpoint,everything you're thinking I
have to be able to perform at ahigh level for this woman,
otherwise she leaving.
Is that?
Is that always the case or notas much?

(01:16:13):
I think, Should I say wait,yeah, I got it, that's all that.

Shi (01:16:20):
I don't think that's the case, especially with um.
I'll just say our demographic,because a lot of times the
father is not in the home.

Max Paul (01:16:34):
Talk about it.

Shi (01:16:35):
Now you do have a lot of women that are not.
I feel like even in media itwas put on specifically black
women to ride or die in whateversituation.
Black women are just finallydeciding to be like, no, like I
don't have to take the bottom ofthe barrel, I don't have to.

(01:16:55):
Just why do I got to ride anddie?
Why I can't ride and thrive?
Cause you will really ride anddie through the trenches and
they'll.
They'll be comfortable stayingin the trenches cause you're
willing to do that.
But then when they, soon asthey want to elevate they with
somebody else they don't wantthey, not the one that would
ride and die they don't carebecause you was willing to take

(01:17:17):
whatever.
So I don't think that'snecessarily the case.
I do think that there's a.
That's also on my podcast.
I want to.
I said I wanted to actually doa segment because I've always
been told that, like I have alot, I have great friendships
with guys like to the pointwhere they're.
They used to be like I don'tknow how you're not married and

(01:17:38):
I know you don't like guys likethat, but but why?
But if you ever did.
Yeah, if you ever did, but it'slike.
But it's like I think it's alot of them.
They're like I've never felt solike talking to a woman.
It's not combative with you,but I think it's because I'm so
like just in general.
The world needs to heal, butjust in general we've been

(01:17:59):
through.
How are you a?

lesbian.

Shi (01:18:01):
Why am I a lesbian?
I love.
Why are you?

Max Paul (01:18:04):
First off, didn't you choose me First off?
I said it.
But I understand why you're alesbian, because I know what I
like.
Have you seen women?

Beautiful.

Shi (01:18:13):
They beautiful, they swell beautiful.

The way that you are interacting with Max and you
know the flirtation that's goingon before First off.

Max Paul (01:18:22):
That's everybody, that's everybody, that's
everybody.

I'm a little bit confused.
Are you just lesbian or are youbisexual?
No, no, ava, it's an honestquestion.
Why are you?
Because, from how you'respeaking about men and how
you're speaking about yourself,it doesn't really seem like
you're a lesbian.
It just seems like you'rebisexual.

Shi (01:18:49):
Preference.
Well, the reason why I wouldI've actually had this so how
are you lesbian I?
Actually had this conversationrecently with somebody.
She actually told me she waslike I think your preference is
women.
She was like, but I thinkyou're bisexual just and I have
dated a man prior before, but II haven't been with a man in
like seven years, so it's like Iguess I consider myself lesbian

(01:19:11):
just because romantically mythoughts so you've been with men
longer than you've been withwomen?

Max Paul (01:19:15):
no, I've been with women longer than men women
seven years and you know shehasn't been with a man in 32
yeah, but I haven't been.

Shi (01:19:24):
But no, but I've only been with.
I haven't been with many.
Oh yeah, but I had a highschool boyfriend and then after
that I I dealt with a guy,probably like a year and a half,
and that was probably when Ihad to be like 23 or 24 and you
were abstinent until you werewith women again.
No, then I was with a woman forfive years there it is boy and

(01:19:45):
then before her I was withanother woman for three and a
half years.

Is it because they connect with you emotionally.

Shi (01:19:50):
No, I think honestly.

And men don't have that kind of emotional IQ.

Shi (01:19:57):
I'm not saying that they don't, because some do.
I think the guys that I have,if I have encountered a guy that
it wasn't at first, that's whatI'm saying.
I think attraction wise atfirst I'm not just.
I can see a guy and recognizethat he's handsome, but I have
no romantic feelings for him.
I have no.
Like you know how a girlnormally, like my home girls
they see a man and it's like oh,that's the.

(01:20:17):
I feel nothing in regards tothat, but I can vibe with them.
But I think I'm also a person,is it my?

personality, the one that you were with, like
skewered all.

Shi (01:20:26):
No, I don't think it's that I think I honestly I'm not
judging, I'm just no.
No, I think honestly as a child, since I was a child, I always
had a thing for women butbecause of the way I was raised
and things like that like myhonestly, my first crush was a
girl who was a girl in in mychurch but especially being from
in our community, it's kind offrowned upon to be found our
community in the black community?

absolutely, the black community is definitely.
So the people listening, youknow they can't tell if you guys
are Black or not, but can'tthey see us?
Yeah, oh, but they're listening.

Shi (01:20:55):
They're listening they're listening and they don't know.

Gotcha, gotcha, gotcha.
Okay yeah, we're Black guys.

Max Paul (01:21:09):
Well, you know, sorry segment, but I'm saying like in
the black community, especiallylike I was, is that a frown
apart?
Oh, definitely.
I have a friend of mine.
He's gay, definitely, and he'sbeen gay since I can remember it
.
But he had to be in the closetuntil he was almost 20.
But likely nail polish and hungout with all the girls Didn't

(01:21:34):
want to be part of no PE.

God, if he was hanging out with all the girls,
he should have been.

Shi (01:21:39):
I feel like, honestly, I don't like to be labeled.
That's why I'm getting to thepoint.
But I did actually have a womanthat we talk heavily and when
she kind of gave me herperception of it, I think at
first she was like you'regetting kind of defensive and
I'm like I'm not.
And it could, I'm like I'm suchan honest person.
It could come with the backlashof like when people talk about

(01:22:00):
a woman that is bisexual andit's like I'm such a like
devoted person.
In general she was like no, butI could tell that.
I could tell you're devoted towhatever, but I'm like no, but
I'm not a person.
I was like the reason why Idon't consider myself bisexual
is because guys don't have.
It's not like 50, 50 like.
I feel like bisexual women.
They like men as much as theylike women okay with me and

(01:22:23):
that's what I was trying toexplain to her.
She was like yeah, but the factthat the fact that you can talk,
if the right man can connectwith you and you can, that makes
you bisexual.
And we were arguing about itand I'm like Come on down to
Boogieville.
Come on down I don't feel thatway, because I'm like, do you
know how long it takes?
And I'm like, and most of thetime it's not even like.

(01:22:45):
I'm like, it's not even thatfor me.
Like I'm like when I wasexplaining to her, I said with a
woman, the way I could justlook at a woman and like, you
know, love her.
Or like love's for da-da-da.
I said with a guy I don't havethose feelings Like I could like
their personality and I couldbe cool with them, like what's
up, pound it, but my personalityI am love, I'm a love bug.

(01:23:07):
So certain things I've beentold that like people be like um
, you know that one thing theybe like uh, people think you
flirting but you just saidsmooth, it's like like cream
cheese, like sometimes I'mreally, I'm just very like yeah,
I'm smooth, like cream cheese.
Baby.
I be like hey, how you doing?
You know it's buttery, yeah,it's real buttery, you know, but
like, it's like if it's a vibeand a person has a good

(01:23:30):
personality, like I have a goodpersonality.

I think I can speak for both of us here.

Shi (01:23:34):
I mean Are you talking to a love connection right now?

No, no no, women are beautiful, thanks.
No wonder you're a lesbian.

Max Paul (01:23:42):
We appreciate a good woman.
That's a whole podcast today.

Shi (01:23:46):
Women are fucking beautiful they're beautiful and it's so
I'm not going to lie, we don'thate you for being a lesbian.
I know that.
I know that.
I just never had anybody likeyou Ask me that question
straight up.
No, it's just about this littlepodcast.
I'm like what?

Max Paul (01:24:02):
But I do understand the way it came out that you
know women are your preference.

Shi (01:24:06):
I just I'm meeting you, but it's the fact that I haven't
even like when she told me thatI still you have said things
that would make me consider thatyou're not just a woman.

Max Paul (01:24:16):
No, I understand that, but that's why I say the
preference thing, because Iunderstand that For you it may.
To me at least, it seems likeit would be more based off
Energies and connections andvibes, more so than gender.

Yeah, you know what I mean.
Women are really good atconnecting.
Yeah, double vibes and all that.

Shi (01:24:33):
But that's why I also because I think what I used to
say, like even before, likebefore I even started, when I
went public with dating women,just in general, when I thought
about my partner, I used to belike I don't.
I used to say that I don't careabout the rapper.
God sends it to me, just makesure it's mine and wrap it with
a bow.
But I think, over time, justbeing honest, because it's a

(01:24:58):
safe space to fix your faceright, I think being honest,
just when I would see thebacklash, and honestly more the
backlash in the lesbiancommunity.

I will tell you that community is wild.

Shi (01:25:11):
About how they would talk about bisexual women and I
understand from a lot of theirexperiences with claims
bisexuality why they felt thatway.
Those characteristics I did notidentify with.
So that's why I was like I'mnot bisexual, my woman is my
woman.
I'm not even looking, but I'mlike that in general, like even.

(01:25:33):
But I can say like with guys Istill can like.
It's like, hey, you know, witha woman, but I'm just a loyal
person.
But with a woman, when I'm witha woman, I don't crave anything
outside.
There's not like, oh, this guycomes and I'm like, I can
appreciate the relate and I'mgood with just being friends.

(01:25:54):
There's no, my mind does notwander off to anything else.
That's why, even when I wasexplaining to her, I'm like I
don't feel that way, because Idon't feel like bisexual means
like dual.
I don't feel like I'm dual,that like a man.
I'm not gonna say a man can'tever get in, but it's very rare.
The man that got in I didn'teven know how.
When I realized I liked him, Iwas like am I sure?

It makes it sound like you're more lesbian than
you are.

Shi (01:26:19):
No, that's why I was just like.
It literally makes me feel likeshe's going to love it over
here, oh, come on man, why isshe blushing?

She's dead dog.
Oh man, oh man, but I'm likewhy?

Shi (01:26:32):
is she blushing and she's dead dog?
But I was like, am I sure?
And it's so crazy, because I'ma writer so I write out all my
emotions.
So it was like this poem and Irealized the poem was about him.
Okay, Max.

Max Paul (01:26:45):
Yes, absolutely.

It was about him.
She's smiling so much.
I know you can't see itSeriously.

Shi (01:26:54):
To my boo that's probably going to watch this episode,
jesus.

Max Paul (01:26:57):
I was like it's all fun.
It's all fun and preconditionedguys.

Yeah, yeah.
None of this is true.

Max Paul (01:27:03):
No, you're fine, we respect relationship B.

Shi (01:27:05):
Yeah, yeah yeah, you're fine, I'm single, but still,
this, my boo.
You just said boo.
Nah, there's levels, nah,there's levels.
To that.
Listen what I learned as awoman until they put that, that
title, until they do that.
That's why, like and shealready knows this when I talk
to her I be like, yep, it'syours for now.

(01:27:26):
Ooh, you have to let a personknow you're not waiting.

No shit, I got married in five months, right.
So?

Shi (01:27:36):
you're happily married yeah .

I didn't hesitate yeah, no, good answer.

Shi (01:27:42):
Good answer.
But yeah, no.
So maybe, like I would say,maybe I'm a fluid person, but
when I just did the base on that, I would say, maybe I'm a fluid
person, but when I just thedebates on that I would have.
But she was the first personthat I can honestly say that I
was like, hmm well, I guessmaybe I am bisexual, but I just
hate saying it if you hate thestigma and the label, that comes
yeah so I, yeah, I don'tidentify with it because then
it's like with certain, like thereason why I feel like I

(01:28:05):
identify with lesbians, becausethe way I feel about women I
don't feel that way towards men,like it's not an equal, like
I'm, like I know, bisexual women.
You're like 90 percent women, 10percent maybe like one might
get in there and I'm like and Iand I really don't be knowing
how, that's what I'm sayingwhereas cognitively, like, as
far as with like goals, wise awoman, when I say it's like I

(01:28:28):
have plans, as soon as I say I'mlike, yeah, if a man have a, I
see it's like I have plans.

Max Paul (01:28:31):
As soon as I say, I'm like, yeah, if a man, why are
you here?

Shi (01:28:34):
I didn't have the plans.
It's just more of like thatjust happened.
But I'm such a I'm a flowyperson, I like things that are
natural.
Yeah, so alone, You're welcome.

Jesus, two minutes here.
So, uh, we like to end uh thepodcast every time with um you
can plug whatever you want.
Um advice for people that couldbe business, entrepreneurship,
whatever.
Um, what would you like to sayto the audience, our audience,
anything, plug away and call.
We call it the final words.

Shi (01:29:09):
Okay.
Okay.
Well, my name is Artish shethat's A-R-T-I-S-S-H-I.
I do have a podcast, whichy'all heard of she Speaks.
You can definitely check me outon all platforms, but I will
leave y'all with just be, begentle with you and literally
just keep swinging, which is mysong.

(01:29:30):
We swing in, but really what weswing in means is as long as
you're up to bat, they can nevercount you out.
So it doesn't matter.
Life's going to keep life in,and so are you.
So just be gentle with youevery single day.
And you know, if you ever needa girlfriend, grab your wine
girl, let's drink, and you canbring him too.
And you know, if you ever needa girlfriend, grab your wine

(01:29:51):
girl, let's drink, and you canbring him too.

Max Paul (01:29:54):
Oh, and then always remember, she said bring him too
Absolutely.
So if you're bringing him too,she can bring me too, and I'm
going to create a safe space tofix her face.
I'm ready.
I'm ready.

Max, anything you want to say?

Max Paul (01:30:09):
Man, just shout out to y'all for having me back on and
co-hosting.

Manny might lose his job.
I'm saying, I'm saying, I'msaying this is a good.

Max Paul (01:30:18):
I like this seat.
You know what I mean, but Iappreciate y'all having me.
You know what I mean.
Anybody looking for fitnessgoals Maxperience Fitness is
always here to help you out.

Shi (01:30:29):
So,

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