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October 20, 2025 35 mins

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In this episode of Hard Parking, host Jhae Pfenning dives into Barrett-Jackson's fall auction (and why he skipped it), mourns the end of the Future Collector Car Show, and recaps the epic Cleannuff car meet packed with exotics.

He answers listener Q&A on Amazon's Mass Effect TV series, the impact of eliminated CAFE penalties on ICE vehicles, U.S. EV struggles vs. global rivals, and hydrogen fuel cells—like the 1966 GM Electrovan and 2025 Honda CR-V e:FCEV. Plus, upcoming charity events!

Chapters:

2:28 - Barrett-Jackson fall auction & Future Collector Car Show RIP

8:54 - Cleannuff event recap Stradman & exotics

10:13 - Upcoming charity events: OneLess & Oct 25 St. Mary's Food Bank meet at Strad Pizza Q&A

14:26 - Mass Effect TV show excitement & game deep dive 20:47 - CAFE laws elimination & ICE vehicle future

24:02 - U.S. EV lag vs. China/Europe & why sales flop

26:49 - Alternative fuels: Hydrogen history, manufacturer EV backpedaling & Honda CR-V e:FCEV


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(00:13):
This is our Barking brought to you by Right Hunter and Right
Toyota out of Scottsdale, AZ. I'm your host, Jay Finning
recording for my studio here in Gilbert, AZ.
A lot of stuff to get to today. I went to Puerto Rican festival.
Barrett Jackson is in town this week.
I did not go. I'll tell you why.
Texas barely won a game. I'm not going to get into

(00:34):
sports. That's for Q and I asked you
guys on social media, specifically on Facebook and I
think Instagram, but I forgot tocheck to see if anyone even
respond on Instagram. Probably not.
I should probably check that. But I'm going to get to your
questions. And it's also, you know, The
funny thing is when I ask peopleto to ask me questions and I get

(00:56):
some really good questions, but it's always a it's always a
clear indicator of who listens to the show on a regular basis
and who doesn't. Cause a lot of times I get
questions and it's about certainthings that I've talked about on
the show. And not only do I talk about on
the show, but I've definitely talked about it more than once.
But there's still good questions.
And you know, you may be a new listener to the show.

(01:18):
You didn't get to those episodes, or you may be a random
listener to the show, or maybe you're just part of Hard Parking
Violations because it's a fun page.
Shout out to my page Hard Parking violations on Facebook.
It's a fun group and you just don't listen to the show.
But you're also the same person that says, hey, man, how's the
podcast going? You know, I don't listen.
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tomorrow's profits. Like I said in the opening, Bert
Jackson Week was here. I did not go I I went last fall.
So starting last year, they decided to do a show in the fall
as well as the big one in the winter, which is always in

(02:44):
January. And the January 1 is the one
that is the the big one that youtypically see on TVI think the
fall one may have been on TV too.
I know this is only their secondyear.
Last year I worked the future collector car show.
Speaking of future collector carshow, I've talked about it
before on the podcast. You know, that's where through
my friend Rebecca and even Mimi the first year I was given an

(03:07):
opportunity to go up there and and basically be the MC or Co MC
on stage for about 8 hours. I think it's the length of the
show and it's future collector car show was a was a good thing
that happened for a long time. I was only able to attend a few
of them before. I was the MC about a year ago.
Barrett two years ago, a year and a half ago, Barrett Jackson.

(03:30):
I think they bought it and Rebecca was working as maybe a
consultant. I don't know the details of
that. I never really ask.
But the January show, it was there twice and it was the fall
show once. I think that's correct.
It's always a part of that and it was great.
But a year ago we had the show. They did not have one in this

(03:52):
past January. And I believe if Rebecca's post
on Facebook is 100% accurate, there is no more future
collector car show. And that's really unfortunate.
That was one of the up and coming car events, car shows in
the area. Cuz you have Bear Jackson, you

(04:12):
have the Arizona concourse, and then you have the Fountain Hills
event, which isn't really a car show.
I mean, there's winners there, but I would argue that all of
those winners are predetermined.There's hundreds of cars that
are only looking like at like maybe 10 of them.
But that's more of a charity thing.
So it doesn't really matter. But the thing that the future
Collected Car show brought to the area was an opportunity for

(04:35):
a lot of the modern to maybe 2000s, late 90s cars.
Because when you think about classic cars, you think about
this old like 57 Chevy and you think about maybe the 70s cars
and now maybe 80s cars, but you don't really think about 90s and
2000s cars is classic. But here we are in 2025 and

(04:57):
we're staring down the barrel ofover 20 years old.
Some of them are 30, some of them are 40 years old at this
point. And so it kind of gave people an
opportunity to showcase vehiclesthat are future classics or
future collector cars so that you could show up with like a a
special edition Pontiac Grand Amor Grand Prix GTPI think maybe

(05:18):
something like that. Hopefully you know what I'm
saying. Or you could actually bring a
really nice Ford Probe GT. I don't know, some sort of a
super spec that never existed before, like a Shelby 4 Probe
GTI don't think that even existsin real life.
But it was an excellent show. And then when it became part of
Barrett Jackson and it was even better because now you're
partnered up with a big brand, But that's always a little

(05:38):
dangerous too, because no one really knew what the future that
show was going to be and it looks like it is just completely
done and it's too bad. You know, I, I won and that's
How I Met Fielding Shredder, who's been on the show a couple
times and he's on Netflix's Hyperdrive, the Drift show, the
drift elimination show, Grassroots, great guy.

(05:59):
I love Fielding Shredder. He, he judged my car and at the,
at the time it was in 5th place and he went and he grabbed all
the other judges. He brought him back to my car
and he showed them everything that I had talked to him about.
I end up getting second place inbest modified, which was
awesome. And it's because of Fielding

(06:21):
Shredder. And I have that trophy over
there. I have an autographed picture
from Fielding Shredder over there.
And you know, there's no other show I would have entered in in
Arizona that I would have won that award for that build.
And that's, that was my old robotype build.
And so rest in peace the the future collected car show.
But again, I didn't go to Barrett Jackson.

(06:42):
It just, it's a smaller show andI, I, I like to support local
things, but you know, I've, I'veheard through the Grapevine when
they kind of partner up with shows, it's to basically destroy
the shows because it's competition.
The reality is it wasn't competition at all.
And, and I think that Barry Jackson missed out on a huge

(07:05):
opportunity because they could have taken what that was the
future hunter car show and they could have showcased the winners
of each year up at the auction for an entire week because of I
have friends who come into town for Barry Jackson and they're
like, hey, Jay, when are you going to go up on stage?
Hey, Jay, when are the when's the future car show?
Oh, you missed. It was one day.
Even though the auction was a full week, it was one day.

(07:28):
And if you didn't show up there on that day, then you just lost
out. So they should have at least
kept and not my car would have been out.
My car would not have even been eligible anyway because I I
never won first place, but therewas some damn fine cars that was
winning. And there were things from, you
know, Renault's to S 2000s, you know, the cars that that

(07:53):
otherwise, I mean Miatas, they were just so beautifully done
and perfectly done and there wasjust no place for them in any
other Arizona based car show like that.
I guess I'm talking about FCCS again, I didn't mean to.
But anyway, I didn't go to BarryJackson.
I do plan on going in January. Hopefully my cousin comes up
here. I've invited Dwayne to come up

(08:14):
here and I think the last time Iapplied to be a bidder, never
plan on buying anything, but I just kind of wanted that
experience because $600.00 become a bidder.
You get a bidders pass, you get a guest pass, you get 10 drinks
a day on those passes. So that's 20 drinks combined.
And you can go every day. It's not just for Friday or

(08:35):
Thursday morning. You can go every day.
And so you kind of get your money's worth when you're
comparing that to how much you would normally pay if you were
to party every day. Like, who does that anyway?
But if you're at a party every day all day at some convention,
you were paying out of pocket, you would blow past $600.00
worth of booze. I can promise you that in the
course of a week. But I'm definitely going to go

(08:57):
in January. I just went to a clean enough
event. You guys know, we had Charles
Warden on here a couple years ago.
He has the group Clean Enough. He hasn't done anything in a
long time. He's been getting his life
straight, taking care of some things.
But this was a big event. This was held at Houston's Hot
Chicken, Dave's Hot Chicken, oneof those hot chicken places in

(09:18):
Tempe. But Strad Pizza kind of promoted
it. And so they brought the Strad,
the Strad Jeep out. James Strad man was there and a
few other big notable people around the area.
So you just had a parking lot packed with, let's see, James
drove his Conus egg. You had all these Lamborghinis

(09:38):
and a few Ferraris and all theseother, you know, really nice
unique Porsches. Not a lot of JDMI was there, of
course, with my NSX. My friend was there with his
super nice MK4 Supra. And other than that, most of the
cars were just kind of, they were modified high end exotics
or they were just kind of bone stock by him and drive him to

(09:59):
the local car show. But it was good.
It was great to see Charles and I plan on having him back in
studio because it's been a whilesince he's been in here.
Great guy and I'm excited to seewhat he's got what what he's
been kind of doing. Some events coming up.
I'm going to get to your questions in a second, but we've
we've postponed our annual United Food Bank one less event.

(10:19):
We one of our main organizers has some health issues and it
got to be kind of late to plan. I mean, potential sponsors have
money they have to free up. I don't know if that's a a great
reason, but the big thing that made that show worth the last
two years was getting approval to do it at the Courtyard's

(10:43):
parking lot. And we didn't push forward to
get that done this year yet. And so even if we were to, I
mean, there's still plenty of time to plan the show and have
the show, but we may not have a giant parking lot to host the
show. And of course, that is the
number one thing. So looking forward to announcing
whenever that's going to be in 2026, I believe it's going to be

(11:05):
at some point in the first quarter.
It's going to have to be Earl's.People are going to melt because
come April, things get really hot outside.
This next weekend, we do have anevent.
I've partnered up with ELG accident attorneys, Sergio
Escamilla, who's also been on the show.
It's been a couple of years since he's been on.
I need to have him back in the studio.
I need to go to his place. But he was the the the title

(11:30):
sponsor of 1 less the last couple years.
And I called him and said, Hey, we're not doing 1 less, but I
would love to do something with you guys.
And so we have one auto on boardwith ELGA local, a motorcycle
group. A lot of rockets is what we like
to call them, right? Crush rockets.
So they're going to show up. There's going to be a ton of
them, the Ducati Club, but I'd asked if if we can kind of join

(11:53):
that with cars and also bring inSaint Mary's Food Bank.
So that's going to happen October 25th.
It's one of those deals where I have to decide you're do we want
to go to Schnepp Farms with the kids, the grandkids to do all
the Halloween stuff? But I also wanted to do some
sort of a charity thing and so Ican't do both.
So I'm going to do the charity thing with one auto.

(12:14):
Schnepp Farms is cool, but really at the end of the day,
it's we're building memories forus, not for the kids, because
most of them are too young anyway and they just drag you
around a bounce house, a bounce house.
And if the place didn't serve beer and wine, it would be very
not interesting. But that way we usually go out
there for Christmas as well and it's freezing, believe it or

(12:36):
not, because it gets down to 40 mid mid to low 40s.
Even in Arizona, it feels reallycold when it was just 75 during
the day. Oh, by the way, the event is
going to be held at Strad Pizza,like the actual Strad pizza.
It's my first time going there. I talked to one of the Co
owners, Mr. Freddie Wynn, great guy.
You know, he, he's a kind of a we've talked.

(12:58):
I met him years ago and I, I've talked about having him on the
show. We just never made it happen.
And we had a mutual friend introduce us at a party at kind
of a is an F1 watch party. Wasn't a lot of people there.
That's where I met Jordan. I met Jordan before that, Not
Michael Jordan, Jordan, you know, lowball or GTR Jordan.

(13:23):
And I'd met him prior to that. But that's the first time we
really like really talked. And even that was years ago.
But my friend, my mutual friend said, hey, Freddie, this is Jay.
Jay, Freddie, you guys need to talk.
So I was like, cool, right? But they never, nothing ever
came over that. And I've, and I've always
wondered maybe my plan for this podcast just wasn't good enough.

(13:43):
It wasn't worth their time or his time to look into it more
because he's a big deal. You know, he owns a few brands.
He he does marketing. You know, he's, he's the partner
with James Strad, man, for Stradpizza.
He makes stuff happen. There's a lot of stuff.
And we just never got that hooked up.
We never got together for a podcast, but every time I see

(14:05):
him, it's great. You know, he's, you feel like
he's your brother from another mother.
And, you know, I'm running up tohim.
This weekend was great. We're going to make it happen.
I'm going to get up there and record probably at the Hub is
what they call it. I think they have like a studio
space up there next to Strad Pizza.
But yeah, I'm really looking forward to that.
Let's get to your questions. So Jamie Ray Goodman asked me a

(14:27):
question, a friend of the show, I used to use his sound drop
talking about the Arby's at the end.
I haven't used that in a long time, especially since I've got
a full video, but it is kind of funny.
And I was on this show a long time ago.
He's one of the moderators, admins on hard parking
violations. And he, he drives me crazy a lot
with his political stuff becausewe we don't see eye to eye

(14:50):
politically, but that's OK. Thoughts on Amazon bringing the
Mass Effect games to the small screen?
I know we're both big Mass Effect fans, so obviously I'm
hopeful. So for those of you don't know,
Mass Effect is a video game series.
I want to say it's the first onecame out in early 2, maybe mid

(15:11):
mid 2000s. I don't, I don't know when the
first Mass Effect came out. I want to say 2005 or 2006 for
the Xbox maybe, maybe multi platform.
My son used to play it. I never played it at the time
but eventually I played the trailer for Mass Effect 3 and I
was so hooked that I pre-orderedMass Effect 3 and bought Mass

(15:35):
Effect 2 and it just became likemy one of my favorite games
ever. So what is Mass Effect?
You're it's a third person game where you're kind of following
your character around. You're not first, you're not
first person where you can't seeyour character.
So it's third person. So you're following your
character around and you go through all these decisions and

(15:56):
you go through space and you gotto stop this planet from being
destroyed. And you have to go around and,
and talk and recruit all these different people.
But The thing is your your actions have consequences.
And the thing that blew my mind about the game is that it would
carry over to the next title. So if you uploaded your saved
data, then all the decisions youmade in Mass Effect 2 would have

(16:20):
an impact on how Mass Effect 3 played out for your character.
Not only for the things that youhave, but for the NPCS, the
other computer characters you interact with, that data is
uploaded. So they know if you decided to
detonate the Starship. I don't know if that's, but
that's just an example, right? So they know that in Mass Effect
2, if you decided to detonate the Starship to save your

(16:41):
friends, but you ended up destroying a planet, you know,
so all your decisions have consequences or you would have
saved the planet and destroyed your friends.
You know, they were really kind of one of those deals.
But that that game was heavy. And I love the game.
And it was one of those games where kind of made you question
yourself a little bit because it's so immersive.

(17:05):
I've always envied people who could play video games just like
mindlessly, Like if you play a game and it's like, OK, you have
to make a decision. Do you want to help this person
and give them money or do you want to tell them to screw off?
And some people are OK with pulling out a gun and and
shooting people in video games, just shooting them.
And I can't do that. I'm just like, oh, I know it's
just a game, but damn, what would I do in real life?

(17:26):
Would I give them money, you know, or would I send them on
their way? Or would I just randomly decide
to kill them in a video game because it doesn't mean
anything? But Mass Effect kind of
challenged me to be me it. And it kind of plays with your,
it plays with your psyche a little bit.
It's like, OK, if I, if I can recruit all these people and get

(17:47):
everyone home safe at the end ofMass Effect three, that means
I'm a good leader. That makes me a good leader.
That means I have good leadership.
But if I sit there and let my friend die because he's sick in
the game and I don't see him again, and then I have to go do
these other things again, I may have saved something and beat
the mission, but I lost a computer friend.
And it like, it's weird, man. It like it really hurts.

(18:09):
But anyway, so I had to do some research on a lot of these
questions. So rumored last year, November
2024, there was rumors that theywere going to make a Mass Effect
TV show. Amazon.
When I did some research, it looks like it was kind of kicked
up four years ago. Four years ago, they secured the
rights to make it. They just haven't done anything

(18:30):
yet. And it looks like they're going
to start filming the fourth quarter of 2026.
So basically next year at this time they're going to start
filming. So I did some research.
The most recent Mass Effect game, Mass Effect Legendary
Edition, which is basically a remastering version of the
original three games, was released in May of 2021.

(18:53):
It's 2025. Supposedly they're working on
another title. But the thing that I think makes
Fallout, I don't know if you've seen Fallout on on Amazon, but
the thing that makes Fallout successful is they're still
pumping out games or updates to their Fallout video game and
Fallout video game. All the Fallout stuff is so pop
culture. I mean, I have a ton of Fallout

(19:16):
shit here and I don't even have time to play video games.
I got a ton of Fallout stuff over there.
I got that's what that's what this is.
This is a fall out. Pit boy is what they call you
right on your waist and it takesall your vitals and it's in the
video game. It's in the it's in the TV show
like I am AI love fall out, but it's because they keep releasing

(19:36):
stuff and you can just constantly buy stuff.
It keeps it fresh. And then they made this super
witty television series on Amazon prime.
If you haven't seen it, watch it.
It's a little quirky dark humor,but I love it and season 2 comes
out in a couple months. But anyway, what made that great
is that they kept relative content.
And I don't know what Mass Effect would do because there

(20:00):
was a movie that came out calledValerian.
I don't know if you've seen it or not, but when I saw the
previews for Valerian, actually I pulled it up over here.
Valerian came out in 2017. When I saw the previous of that,
I swear that was Mass Effect. I go, holy shit, they made a
Mass Effect movie. Except it wasn't.
It was a movie called Valerian. And it's just like Mass Effect
the video game. So I don't know what they would

(20:21):
make. On ATV series because it feels
cookie cutter, like Andromeda, which I used to watch all the
time. Valerian, the space adventure
with different, you know, creatures that that aren't
necessarily human. I don't know how they would do

(20:42):
it, but hell yeah, I'm excited about it.
Next question, Jeff Coda, the effect of loss of the cafe laws
and future of internal combustion vehicles.
And my thought was, is there a question there?
It's not a question. Jeff is basically asking me to
comment on it, which isn't a question.
But instead of being a Dick, I decided to look it up a little

(21:03):
bit because I'm like, what's cafe?
What it is? That's the corporate of average
of fuel economies standards, often referred as a CAFE laws,
which was enacted by Congress in1975 as part of the Energy
Policy and Conservation Act, EPCA, in direct response to the
7374 Arab oil embargo, which highlighted the nation's

(21:25):
vulnerability oil supply disruptions.
The standards aim to reduce fuelconsumption, promote energy
conservation and decrease dependence of imported oil.
So basically think about your EPA, better emissions, better
fuel, fuel economy efficiency. But I know there's actually been
a lot of controversy with this. And when it comes to CAFE

(21:48):
standards for passenger vehicles, the Big Beautiful Bill
eliminated that. In July of 2025, Congress passed
the One Big Beautiful Bill Act, which you all we've heard about,
which eliminated civil penaltiesfor non compliance with CAFE
standards for passenger cars andlight trucks, effective model
years 2027 and beyond. So two years from now, not 25,

(22:09):
not 26, but 2027 beyond the standards themselves remained in
place along with reporting requirements, but without fines.
Previously they were getting fined up to $51,000 per vehicle.
In some cases, enforcement effectively weakened penalties
for medium and heavy duty trucksnot affected.
This could lead to reduce incentives for automakers to
invest in efficiency, potentially reshaping the market

(22:31):
by lowering cost but increasing fuel consumption.
So the future of of ICE internalcombustion vehicles, oh, ICE
internal combustion engines, butinternal combustion vehicles.
I don't think the loss of CAFE laws is going to do anything.
I think that in 1975 we made vehicles a lot differently than

(22:51):
we do now. Incredibly inefficient 70s
vehicles, 80s vehicles, and evenmost of the 90s vehicles are
terrible. But most of these vehicles made
2010 and newer. I mean, oil changes now are 6000
miles apart. Before is 3000 miles.
And people who were very neurotic about it was changing
their oil every 1500 miles, someevery six months.

(23:13):
Even if you've only driven 500 miles, you don't have to do that
anymore. And so maybe it was just some
sort of a weird way for car manufacturers to either make
money or for the government to find them.
I don't think that one thing hasanything to do with the other,
the future of internal combustion vehicles.
I think they're just going to continue to be more efficient.
There's another EV question on here and I'll maybe I'll talk a

(23:35):
little bit more about it when I get to it.
But I don't think that the cafe laws, the effective loss, as
Jeff Koda says, of the cafe lawsis a big deal.
We'll find out. But you know, we're talking 2027
and newer, Jeff and I don't Jeff, I'm I'm sorry.
I know we've met at at intersex bows.
I'm going to I don't remember how to pronounce your last name.

(23:57):
OK, HS i.e. A Jeffrey H, we're going to call
you Jeffrey H While China and Europe continue to forge ahead
in EV tech, do you think the US is at risk of falling behind in
the future because of our anti EV in pro big oil legislation?
I would ask why do you think we're anti EV and pro big oil

(24:22):
legislation? What are you pointing at
exactly? I think I've covered this a lot
when it comes to EV very recently, actually, you, you got
to read the writing on the wall.Nobody was buying these things.
I mean, everybody buys Teslas. Teslas are continuously in the

(24:45):
top ten of all vehicles sold in the United States, and they're
mostly made in the United States.
So it's not a Tesla problem. Most of these other EV
companies, they lose money on every vehicle they try to sell.
And there's a lot of them that just aren't selling.
People just don't want to buy them.
And it's not because everyone isin love with the internal

(25:05):
combustion engine. I mean, only us legit car people
care about that. But we represent less than 1% of
the buying market. But it's, you know, you buy an
electric car, then you have to plug it into your house, then
you have to buy a special charging unit if you want to
make sure you have enough energyto make it through the night on
a full charge from the next day.You go to these charge stations,

(25:26):
75% of them don't seem to work anymore.
That's the number I pulled out of my ass.
I'm not going to quote it or, orcited or anything.
People who buy E VS aren't really saving any money.
They, they sold us that dream and you can't get incentives
anymore. That's going away.
You can't drive in the HOV lane anymore.
That's going away. But I, I think that had EV sales

(25:47):
been more successful, people would be buying them, right?
Well, that didn't make sense. Had EV sales been more
successful, car manufacturers would, I think they would
continue to, to make them. And that's, that's another
question I can't answer too muchon this because literally the
next question is very similar tothis one.
Again, people don't listen to the podcast.
Obviously we need oil. Oil.

(26:09):
We use oil to make everything, not just gasoline, everything.
If you're listening to this and look around you, I guarantee you
90% of wherever it is you're listening to this to are
watching this. 90% of everythingaround you is made from oil.
So we need oil. Then I get anti EVI don't think
people aren't buying electric cars because they want to stick

(26:30):
it to the man. They're just they're expensive.
They're very expensive. I mean, Acura, the last episode
we said that they canceled the ZDX.
That's a nice car. They weren't selling them.
Honda Prologue, nice car, not selling the EV.
Dodge Charger can't sell them. All right, next question.
This is from our friend of the show, Ravi Tolman.

(26:51):
What's up, Ravi? What are your thoughts on
alternative fuels such as using hydrogen cells?
And how many of the manufacturers that double down
on EV are now backpedaling? So think about what I just said.
I think they realize that there's a couple things.
No one produces enough energy tosustain these.
Really going back to Jeff's thing with the China, with China

(27:14):
and Europe, they have a ton of EVs over there.
I went to Europe last year. They're all small, they all
work. They're a little different than
what we're using over here. China, I don't know how much of
their EV stuff is true. I know they're they get a lot of
their power from solar, but I think they're having issues over

(27:34):
there anyway. But regardless, we can't do it
here. We don't have the grid, and I've
said this before, we could put 10,000 new charge ports in every
single city, brand new charge ports.
We don't make enough energy to feed that.
The country does not make enoughenergy to feed that.

(27:54):
They have brownouts in California because they don't
have enough power. So you can make every car EV,
but how you going to charge them?
We just don't make enough power.Look it up.
But anyway, back to Robbie's question, sorry.
I think we'll get to the hydrogen fuel cells in a second.

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I think that manufacturers are backpedaling because they see
that nobody's buying it, nobody has the the grid, the
infrastructure to support it. People want more improved
hybrids. Give me a better, more
efficient, higher performing, you know, internal combustion
motor and then pack on a really nice modern EV to give it that

(28:39):
extra power and that extra range.
I've said this. My NSX is, is a hybrid, but it's
different than like a Toyota Camry hybrid in a sense that my
car, you can't, you can coast onit in EV for a very short time.
You can't start it in EV unless the motor's already hot.

(28:59):
It uses those electric motors for performance only, whereas
there's other hybrids where you can actually plug them in and
you can drive 203040 miles on EVand then you can flip over to
your gas tank and vice versa. You know, to me, that's a true
hybrid system versus using hybrid technologies that the NSX

(29:19):
is using. But I think that's why they're
manufacturers are kind of back in a way.
I mean, Porsche, Ferrari just announced their little EV, their
full EV, little SUV and they lost some so many billion
dollars in market cap or something crazy like that.
Like just look it up. Look up a Ferrari's recent EV

(29:43):
and it was a fail. People don't want that.
They just don't want it. If you buy a Ferrari, you want
to buy a Ferrari. You don't want to buy something
with a Ferrari badge. If it's an EV, it just doesn't
make any sense. And people are looking at that.
Porsche has had some success with their with their their
their take in Taikan, but even that in itself the sales are
probably terrible and just nobody wants it specific to

(30:06):
hydrogen. This is kind of cool.
All of this stuff I'm talking about right now.
I there's a link in the episode description from Grok, which
Grok is the AI that goes out andfinds all the sudden information
I copy and pasted. To paraphrase this, the first
practical hydrogen fuel cell wasdeveloped in 1959 by British
engineer Francis T Bacon, creating a 5 kilowatt alkaline

(30:27):
fuel cell that could power machinery.
This paved the way for automotive use, with General
Motors unveiling the Electro vanin 1966.
The world's first hydrogen fuel cell vehicle.
A modified handy van that use A32 fuel cell stack to produce
up to 32 kW of power. Think it's kilowatts?
I don't know. It had a range of about 120

(30:50):
miles but was heavy over 7000 lbs due to the fuel cell and
tanks and never entered into production due to the high cost
and safety concerns with hydrogen storage.
So 1966 Electro van. So there you go.
We've been dealing with this fora while.
Since then, developments continue with milestones like
NASA's use of fuel cells and space stations in the 1960s,

(31:12):
prototype cars from various manufacturers in the in the
1990s, two thousands and commercial models like the
Toyota Marai MIMIRAI starting in2014.
Challenges such as hydrogen production, infrastructure and
cost. I'll give you an example.
Right now I have slow widespreadadoption, but research persists

(31:34):
today. In fact, in 2025, Honda
introduced the CRVEFCEV. Why have you heard of this?
Well, it's only sold in California and it's only sold in
specific places in California. And it's the world's first plug
in hydrogen fuel cell vehicle, $50,000 MSRP with crazy

(31:55):
incentives, which includes a $15,000 hydrogen fuel card.
It's very expensive to refill your car hydrogen.
This was a Honda GM collab. It's a single transmission
system. 5 minute hydrogen recharge up time re 5 minutes to
recharge the tanks. There's two tanks, couple hours
on the standard public EV charger, a combined 270 miles of

(32:17):
range, which is kind of cool. So our friend John Rivers, who
was just on from drive culture and also Honda, he did a video
on this and that link is also inthe description.
So I'll be looking for that. The 2025 Honda CRVEFCEV.
So that's a thing that is a really cool thing.

(32:38):
But you know, hydrogen, we, we hear about it and we think their
car's just going to blow up. And I don't know how unstable it
is. I always think of some science
fiction movie where they can't, they got to be, they got to
handle the stuff very carefully.Or like a Terminator, you know,
that little fuel cell that the Terminator has it, it's like a
small nuke when he throws it outthe window and it blows up and

(33:00):
no one wants to be driving down the car and just had their
vehicle turn into a small nuclear warhead.
But I think that alternative fuels is the way to go and a
hybrid type of situation where you're combining different,
different technologies to, to make things just not only more
efficient, but more reliable. I don't think that we're going
to run out of fossil fuels anytime soon.

(33:21):
They've been telling us this since the 1980s, maybe even the
70s. And it all seems to be a Big Sky
is falling thing. We don't cause as much pollution
as people think we do. And I think that the more
science that comes out, the lessthat people really lean on the
rush to dump all this money in developing certain things when
it doesn't seem to be a really adire need.

(33:44):
I don't care if my next car is hydrogen.
Is it fast, cool. Is it efficient?
Great. Is it easy to do maintenance on?
Even better. But what we do know is it's very
expensive. Hydrogen is very expensive.
Again, this incentive for this Honda CRVEFCEV includes a

(34:07):
$15,000 hydrogen fuel card. What does that tell you it does
you? It's very expensive to fill your
hydrogen fuel cells up. But again, if you want to see or
hear more about that, go to the Dr. Cultures.
A review of that last year actually is when John posted and
the link again is in the description.
That's all I have for you guys today.
Well, another month, another closing.

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