September 11, 2024 • 68 mins
In this episode, Allesanda Tolomei-Hard, a.k.a. Mrs. Hard, is joined by Dr. Debbie Victoria-Seale, an intuitive healer and holistic chiropractor. Together, they explore the powerful connection between your physical and spiritual selves, offering insights into how you can navigate the chaos of everyday life with greater calm and clarity.
Dr. Debbie shares her expertise on the importance of grounding and resetting your energy systems, especially during times of heightened stress and uncertainty. She explains how running your energy can help shift your body from a state of fight-or-flight to one of rest and digest, promoting both physical and spiritual well-being.
You will learn practical tools for incorporating moments of mindfulness and energy work into your daily routine, even if you have a jamp-packed busy schedule, causing stress and anxiety.
Dr. Debbie and Allesanda also discuss the significance of tuning into your body's needs and honoring the natural rhythms of life, particularly as we get ready to transition into the slower, more reflective season of fall.
Key Takeaways:
>> Grounding and Energy Reset: Discover simple yet powerful techniques to ground yourself and reset your energy throughout the day.
>> Managing Stress: Learn how to shift from a state of constant stress to one of relaxation and healing, using tools that align your physical and spiritual health.
>> Importance of the Parasympathetic State: Understand the value of taking short, intentional breaks to restore your energy and improve your overall well-being.
>> Spiritual Tools: Dr. Debbie introduces spiritual practices like cord cutting and energy running, which can help you clear negative energy and reconnect with your true self.
>> Preparing for Fall: Explore how the transition to fall is an ideal time to slow down, reflect, and prepare for the inner work that comes with the winter season.
Special Announcement:
Join Allesanda and Dr. Debbie for the Awaken Retreat on Saturday, October 5th, from 1:00 PM to 5:00 PM in downtown Napa. This retreat, focused on rest, restoration, and rejuvenation, will include a workshop led by Allesanda, a restorative yoga session with Jodi Shields, and a special spiritual healing class with Dr. Debbie on intuitive healing. Space is limited to eight participants, so be sure to sign up early to secure your spot!
Check out Mrs-Hard.com for upcoming events.
Links Mentioned:
>> Dr. Debbie’s Website: https://drdvsdc.com/meet-dr-debbie
>>Follow Dr. Debbie on Instagram
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>>Mrs. Hard’s Website: mrshard.com
>>Follow Allesanda on Instagram
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hi, I'm Alessandra Tolome Hard, aka Mrs Hard, and
this is Hard Times no More, apodcast for people who are tired
of struggling with boundaries,people-pleasing and relationship
problems.
I have overcome some hard times.
Within three years, I stoppeddrinking, my mom died of cancer
and my house burnt down in aCalifornia wildfire, and those
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are just the highlights.
I have a lot of reasons to bemiserable, but I'm not.
The truth is, life was morechallenging before these events
happened.
If you are tired of waiting foryour circumstances to change to
find happiness and peace ofmind, you are in the right place
.
Join me as I share the tools Iuse in love to transform
(00:43):
challenges into assets andinterview others about their
relationship journeys.
Together, let's learn how tohave a happy life full of
healthy, meaningfulrelationships, and say goodbye
to hard times for good.
Hey there, welcome back to theHard Times no More Relationship
(01:04):
Podcast.
I'm Alessandra Ptolemy-Hard,aka Mrs Hard, your host Today.
I have a very special guest withme, the wonderful and
incredible Dr DebbieVictoria-Seale.
If you don't know, dr Debbie,she's been a regular on the
podcast and she is an intuitivehealer and holistic chiropractor
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.
Today, we're going to discussthe overwhelming stress you may
be feeling right now, whetherit's from a fast-paced, busy
life, the ongoing changes in theworld around us, or just the
daily grind pulling you in somany different directions.
(01:46):
We're going to talk aboutpractical ways you can ground
yourself, reset your nervoussystem and find moments of peace
amidst your crazy life.
I'm also super excited to letyou know about the Awaken
Retreat.
Yes, we hosted it back in Juneand we're doing it again
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Saturday, october 5th, from 1 to5 pm.
This version of the AwakenRetreat is going to be focused
on rest, restoration andrejuvenation, and we're going to
have Jodi Shields join us.
She's going to lead arestorative yoga practice during
our retreat.
Together, the three of us willprovide you with tools to reset
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and recharge as we transitioninto the quieter, more
reflective season of fall.
With only eight spots available, you're going to want to
register as soon as possible,and you can find a link for that
registration in the show notes.
So, whether you're new to theconcept of intuitive healing or
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are curious and looking for waysto deepen your existing
practice, this episode isjam-packed with insights and
practical advice that can make ahuge difference in your life
today.
So get comfortable, take a deepbreath and join us for this
enlightening conversation.
Let's dive in.
So a lot of people seem verystressed out these days, my
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goodness.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Yeah, it's a big deal .
Just you know a lot going on.
There's a lot going onastrologically.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
What do you know about what lot going on?
There's a lot going onastrologically.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
What do you know about what's going on
astrologically Well, in thatwe're in a big time of change.
All the chaos that we wentthrough, if you think about, you
know, even since COVID, likehow much shift we've gone
through.
You know how much has changedshift we've gone through.
You know how much has changed.
I mean, a lot of us don't evenremember what happened in 2020.
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And thinking about where we arenow, how much we've grown and
how much we've accomplished andhow much we've changed for the
better, and I think that we'recoming into, I'm getting like
these little glimpses of peaceand calm and knowing, and also
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these little glimpses ofsynchronicity that are just like
crazy, happening like all overthe place.
But you can't deny that youfeel so stressed in your body
and it's funny, it's exhaustingand I feel like I'm having to
rest more and more.
I mean it could be my age, butI think you know everybody that
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I'm talking to is kind offeeling the same thing and I'm
seeing that in my practice too.
Everybody's kind of exhausted.
But you know we make, do we getthrough?
Get?
Speaker 1 (04:44):
through.
Yeah, I think that feeling hasme really excited for fall, to
get ready and prepare for winterand the time of slowing down
and going within.
It's like I'm already cravingit so much right now and I know
a lot of other people arecraving fall and I wonder if
they're acknowledging thatthat's the reason because
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they're really craving thatslowdown, even though
energetically with like kidsgoing back to school and all the
shifting going on right now, Ifeel like a lot of people feel
overwhelmed because they're verybusy.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Yeah true, true, true .
There's a lot on our platesright now Because I think
traditionally what I've seen init feels like September has
started earlier.
It started in August for methis time and September is
usually a very busy time ofgetting things done Like we
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really want to put our headsdown, you know from summer, and
really do stuff.
Like we really want to put ourheads down, you know from summer
, and really do stuff.
It's kind of like gathering allof our, you know, our
nourishment, our nuts, you know,and storing those away.
Yeah, and it's.
The weather is.
Even in the valley here theweather started to change, which
is kind of nice, you know wherewe get a little more cooler,
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longer coolness in the morningand longer cooler in the evening
.
So that's nice too.
But I agree with you that Ithink we're really starting to
feel because we're exhausted,we're really starting to.
Our bodies are craving that,you know, getting ready for that
winter where we slow down andreally honor that rest and
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quietness.
But finding that that's a toughpart right now is finding that
peace and that space amidst thebusyness.
And I think that you know withwhat you and I do, we can help
people with tools to find thatpeace and that quietness that we
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need to reset amidst all thechaos.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
Yeah, what do you do when you're pulled in those two
different directions, where youknow your body needs rest and
reprieve from stress, but you'restill feeling called to push
and show up and do?
What do you do for yourself?
Speaker 2 (07:11):
What I'm finding is that I really have to take those
periods where I do have breaksand be very mindful about.
Even when I'm in the office.
I'll lay on the floor or lay ona table and turn off the music
and turn off the lights and takelike five or ten minutes to
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quiet myself and to meditate andrun my energy and it really
helps because, yeah, it'simportant and even small moments
in between patients.
You know where I teach peoplethis fun one where you can just
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cup your hands over your eyes.
You can do that unless you'redriving.
Put your hands over your eyesand cup around and close your
eyelids, but look into the blackand what it does is it resets
your nervous system from fightor flight to rest and digest,
and that's something that'simportant for us to do.
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A small tool that you can usevery simply and very quickly.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Yeah, I think people underestimate the power of
resting for five minutes.
And what do you mean when yousay run your energy?
Speaker 2 (08:32):
So running your energy is uh, it's um.
We have access to pureuniversal energy and the pure
energy of the earth and throughtools, I teach people how to
ground and run that earth energy, run that cosmic energy through
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your body and your chakras,which are your body's energy
centers, so that you can cleanseand remove any energy that's
not yours, because when we'regoing along our day we
oftentimes take in stuff that'snot ours.
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It's kind of like putting thewrong kind of fuel in your tank,
putting in diesel when youreally need gasoline.
So what we're doing is we'reusing these pure energies to
kind of give our body a detox,and because we're not only
physical, we are spiritual aswell, this is a good way to
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reset both of those things.
And then your nervous systemgets reset too, because you're
focusing on just allowing andowning that space for yourself.
So neurologically, you'recalming everything down.
Like I said, you go from fightor flight to rest and digest.
Now, when we're in fight orflight, you know, oftentimes
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we're in that sympatheticoverload and we're not meant to
be in that.
We're meant to run theparasympathetic system as our
dominant system as we're goingalong life and we get so
stressed out, we're caffeinated.
We're running around, we'relooking at the five different
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things we have to do.
They've got to pick up the kids, and then I've got to get them,
and I got to feed them and thenthey got, you know, practice.
And then we got to get back.
You know we got to get to.
So all of this stuff puts us infight or flight, like we feel
like we're being chased by thetiger all the time, even though
we don't recognize it, and thenwe're just exhausted.
So what we want to do is takethose small moments to run your
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energy to reset not only yournervous system but your
spiritual, basically yourspirit's energy system.
So it's kind of like it's akinto the nervous system, which is
kind of exciting for me becauseof course, I'm a chiropractor,
so I see those two intersect atthe nexus of the spine and it's
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really important to learn how torun those energies and it's a
very simple visualization butit's very powerful.
So I do a class calledmeditation and that's where you
learn how to run those corefuels in your body and very
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simply, and it helps you reset.
It's like a nap.
It's really wonderful and it'sbeen proven that meditating and
running your energy really doesreset your nervous system, so
it's beneficial.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
Yeah, and I find that it's so helpful if I'm having a
day where, like, I didn't sleepall the the night before or
I've had a lot on my plate, totake those like little mini
breaks through the day.
But I've had to like trainmyself that it's okay to take
that time to pause because youneed it most when you have so
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many things on your to do list,so many maybe even people
calling for your energy and yourattention, and so your mind
initially will tell you you knowyou're already short on time,
you don't have the space to dothat, but it's just five minutes
and when you do that it's likeyou actually create more time
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and more space in your life in avery short amount of time,
because then you have moreenergy for yourself so you can
show up more like your full selfand be present and remind
yourself to do your best to stoprushing, because I mean, let's
be honest, like we try our best.
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But if you have those littlechecks through the day, I like
to do it in the morning and thenlike right after lunch is a
great time and then after workto cleanse whatever energy came
up between me and my clientsthrough our sessions, because I
love how you've taught me thatpeople are kind of plugging in
to your energy and it's notsomething bad or something wrong
(13:06):
.
It's something that we all doenergetically as people.
But that cord cutting can be sobeneficial.
And even doing that cord cuttingwith the people we love like I
do it with my husband daily,like I do an energetic cord
cutting, or if there's somebodywho I keep thinking about, who
keeps on coming to mind, whetherit's a client or a friend I do
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an energetic cord cuttingbecause that's telling me that
they're in my space and it'sjust something that happens.
And so it's like you're saying,like this cleansing kind of like
brushing your teeth andstarting all over so that you
can feel your own energy in yourown space.
And I love how you've taught mehow to feel my own energy and
recognize my own energy, becausethat has that's where our power
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is in, like our own energy.
And I was just talking aboutthis with a client earlier, how
I used to think that to beconnected with others, I needed
to be in their stuff, like Ineeded to be overgiving and over
attached to what was going onin their lives and how they were
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feeling and what they werethinking about me and all of
this complication where really Iwas just wanting connection
with them.
And so that's why I was tooinvolved and I thought if I
wasn't as involved I would losethat connection.
But actually, by connecting tomyself more and connecting to my
higher power and finding myworth and my energy within that
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space made the connection somuch clearer and more healthy
and more supportive, and then itstrengthened the connection
which was, it felt, so backwards.
I thought the connection wouldbe from being too involved, but
it's actually from like steppingback and being in your own
space, knowing your own energy.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Yeah, absolutely, moms and healers, we all do that
.
You know business owners.
We do that because we wantpeople to see the value in what
we do.
We want to be important to youin some way, so we all think
that that's what we need to do.
But the interesting thing is iswhen you work on yourself, when
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you heal yourself, when youfind your own space, that's
where others can match thatenergy and find their own space
and you find it's a much morecoherent relationship and it's
clear, our boundaries are clear,and it's so much more rewarding
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for each of us.
And that's hard to understand asa healer because, like you said
, we want to fix everybody, wewant to make sure they're okay.
We want to make sure that youknow.
We know that they're not okayand how can we help you fix that
?
And really it's it's.
You turn that mirror in onyourself and you heal yourself
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first, and that's what workingwith energy is and working on a
spiritual level is is.
It's about healing yourself.
And we think that you know weget into this because we want to
help others, but the best wayto help others is to help
ourselves.
Yeah, and you really don'tunderstand that until you start
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working with people, and I havethis one client and she just
gets exhausted when she workswith people, and so we're
working now for her to learn andshe's done all kinds of other
spiritual work but I'm teachingher this very simple method to
find her own space, to run herown energy so she can be with
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clients while she's healingherself and helping them on a
business level, but they're ableto heal themselves.
So that's the funny thing thathappens in those relationships
and that's what you're good at,Alessandra is showing people
that in order to be in arelationship, you heal yourself.
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And that's exactly what I do isI help people heal themselves
in their body and spiritually.
So it's interesting, to say theleast.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
Yeah, that took a while for me to learn that
detachment with others.
And then, in my practice, likeempowering others to recognize
their ability to heal, that theydon't need me to heal, that
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it's happening within them and Ifeel like people whether it's
getting on the table for massageor coaching, like it's almost
like they created me to comeinto their life and then they're
using me as like what they needto facilitate their own healing
.
And so it's important to havepractitioners and people you
trust in your life, but to notmake that person the guru or the
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person that you have to have tofind your own healing,
especially when you recognizethat what you're putting out
there and what you're receivingfrom the other people is coming
from within, in the internaljourney.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Right, it's funny, we don't need those practitioners
and healers, but we do, becausethey help reflect what we need
to heal.
And that's the interestingthing about spiritual work and
even just being mindful, is youdraw to you what you need to
heal and so that practitioneralso is going to be the that has
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similar things to you going on,but on, maybe on a little with
a little bit different flavor.
So it's interesting how wechoose the people that we want
to help us heal as well, becausethey are on the same path that
we are, and that's that's areally interesting thing,
because we think, oh, she'sreally good, because you know
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she's a great chiropractor andyou know she does things exactly
how I want them.
But you know I'm going throughthese same things that you are,
and so are all the other people.
In the practice they're goingon the same thing.
So we have this.
It's kind of like we're allhealing together and it's really
cool when that happens becausewe're lifting each other up, and
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that's what true healing is,and that's why we're here.
Right Is, we're here tointeract, we're here to have
relationships so that we can seereflected in other people where
we want to heal ourselves,where we have healed who we are,
who we want to be, who we don'twant to be.
That's why relationships are sopowerful is because they
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reflect those things for us andit allows us to become more of
who we are, who we truly are,which is always there.
It's like you're justuncovering the mud.
You're taking all these layersoff.
You know peeling the onion, asthey say, taking all these
layers off, you know peeling theonion, as they say.
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So it's kind of exciting to see.
And then when you start seeingmore and more people come into
your life whether it's meetingpeople or meeting old friends or
things like that, these littlesynchronicities are miracles
that happen and we see, oh, thatperson came into my life and oh
, now I see the pattern that'sgoing on.
So then you can be mindful, youcan start to journal about it,
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you can start to run your energyabout it, you can clear
pictures and traumas andpatterns, and that's where we
get to take that step up.
And then you're at the nextlevel.
So we're here and on this earthschool, in this physical body,
having a spiritual experience.
So that's what Alessandra and Iare here to help you with and
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each other.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Yeah, and I've been thinking about that a lot lately
, like because I've been tryingto be a lot more conscious about
, like, what I'm thinking andwhat I'm paying attention to and
where my energy is going, and Ifind that daily, moment by
moment, the universe is sendingme signals about where I'm at.
Like some of them are veryaffirmative, like you're on the
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right path, you're doing theright thing, because I'll
receive a book that just is incomplete alignment with
something that I was curiousabout.
Or I'll have a client call ortell me that they had an
experience like an aha,awakening moment.
Or they listened to one of thepodcasts I recorded and heard
exactly what they needed to hear.
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And those are all like verypositive, affirming things of
like you're on the right path,you're doing what is lighting
you up and you're getting thatreflection from others that it's
lighting them up and makingthem feel very joyful.
But then the opposite.
I have to honor to that if I gointo my day and it feels like
one thing after another ishappening, I have to take a step
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back and be like okay, I haveto take a step back and be like
okay, what is going on within methat is causing a riff and it
doesn't mean like oh, you're badand like this is your fault and
your responsibility.
It's more like okay, where'sthe hiccup?
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Like what part needs morenurturing, or needs to be seen
or needs to lie down on thefloor for five minutes, or needs
to be nourished, or needs tolie down on the floor for five
minutes, or needs to benourished, or needs to call a
friend or needs to work.
Through the argument I had withmy husband last night, you know,
like what is going on, what isshowing up that needs some
attention, so that I can startthe day over, even if it's noon.
You know, like, if I see,sometimes it makes me sad for
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people when they feel likebecause their day is off to a
challenging momentum, thatthat's just going to continue
through their day and they don'treally get to restart till the
next day.
But you can restart at anymoment, absolutely, and when you
meditate you're reducing yourresistance.
You're reducing your resistance.
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You're kind of letting those,you're letting the momentum
around your thoughts go, andwhen you release that momentum,
you make way for a new momentumto show up or to intentionally
create new momentum.
What I've been really enjoyingdoing lately is meditating and
then having a couple of positiveaffirmations to bring in after
I start meditating, because I'velet the resistance down past.
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That correlates with thatpositive affirmation, because
when we remember that, our bodyand our brain lights up as if
it's happening right now.
And then we have the systemthat I'm really excited about.
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I talked about it on the lastpodcast.
It's called the RAS ReticularAnalytic System, and what it
does is it looks for things inthe environment.
It filters the environment toprove whatever you're paying
attention to, and so if you'refeeling a lot of anxiety, it's
going to look for things, to beaware of things, to make sure
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that you're avoiding or threatswhere if you're feeling a lot of
joy and appreciation, then it'sgoing to look for more of that
in your environment.
Exactly.
It's going to notice thatperson's smile.
It's going to notice how thislittle kid is running around
having the time of their life,where, if you're stressed, you
might be like, oh my gosh, thiskid is so annoying right now,
right, right, right, yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
So in the spirit world we call that matches.
So what happens is we you knowthe energy that we are that's in
the forefront of our space,basically how we're holding
ourselves we're going to be amagnet for those experiences.
So, like you said, if you'rehaving, if you're very angry,
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then you're going to draw moreof those pictures in, or those
experiences, in those people, inthose situations that are going
to make you angrier.
So those little resets help.
And I wanted to go back to thatbecause you know, I've I've
been doing this for 30 years.
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I've been a chiropractor and um, for that long gosh, it sounds
so long, it is long, um.
But you know, I still forget thethings that I need to do.
And what I did one day is Iwrote down the tools that I have
on a sheet of paper, um, sothat I can and I keep it at my
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desk and in the office and I canrun through those things.
Did I ground myself?
Did I run my energy?
Did I close my eyes and take afew deep breaths Having those
tools?
Because when you're in thatenergy of chaos, whatever it is,
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we forget how to.
That's why I was going to askyou you know what do you do and
how did you get yourself out ofthose, those places where we
spin and we get stuck in thatenergy?
You know, I know that we can.
You can run your energy and andI want to teach you a really
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simple tool right now, before wego back.
But remember that question.
I remember it, a really simpletool that I have that helps
people, because I can't rememberwho it was, but somebody was
telling me.
You know, I can't remember whoit was, but somebody was telling
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me.
You know, I feel so like afraidor I feel so anxious or I feel
so like unsure.
Changing your energy is amatter of physics.
It's really simple and most ofthe time when we're feeling that
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stuck energy, that place wherewe just can't get out of the
loop, we're lit up in our lowerchakras.
Most of the time it's first,second or third is you want to
physically lift your energy upabove your head, and a good way
to remember that is look at atree.
What does a tree do?
They put their roots down andthey reach up for the sun.
And that's what you do when youphysically lift your energy
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from your lower chakras up tothe upper ones, which are.
Fourth chak is about lovingyourself.
Fifth chakra is aboutcommunicating your truth.
Sixth chakra is about seeingand owning your truth.
And seventh chakra is about allthat is your understanding of
knowing that connection to theuniverse.
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So when you bring your energyphysically, bring your energy up
higher, it shifts.
So try that next time you'refeeling sad or lonely or anxious
or fearful, just try thatsimple tool of lifting your
energy up.
It's a very simple one, but itwill just shift it and then take
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a couple of breaths to take youout of that fight or flight.
There's one that helps resetyour vagus nerve very simply you
take a deep breath and then youtake another little breath on
top of it and you hold it andthen blow it out through your
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mouth.
So that big breath and thenthat little breath to just top
up and then breathe out slowly,that will help reset you from
sympathetic back toparasympathetic.
So stop having that tiger runafter you, stop being always
ready for a fight.
Rest and digest is where we dohealing, where that should be
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our normal way of being.
So I want you to go back andask you how do you manifest
those?
Because it's easy to say, ohyeah, this is what I do, but how
do you get there?
How do you start to shift yourlife in that direction?
Speaker 1 (29:31):
I hear what you're saying and I think there's two
answers, because there's thelonger journey and then there's
the day-to-day Right.
So the longer journey.
For me, writing has been areally big part of that, and
there's a difference betweenwhat I call rant writing, where
it's like dear journal, todayhas sucked.
Everything bad is happening.
Love Alessandra.
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You know and you go into detailabout that and it feels good
initially because you're justdumping and you know you're
dumping and releasing some of itbut you're not really doing
anything constructive with it.
And then what I love to do isconstructive journaling and I've
been taught a series of methodsby different practitioners,
coaches, mentors.
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I'm anxious and if I'm goingthrough it and that has helped
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in the day-to-day and the longerjourney.
But the longer journey haslooked like getting guidance
from someone who's gone throughhard things that I relate to and
doing what you know, doing whatthey've done and so they've
taught me practices.
So like writing, talking toother people who've been through
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it and hearing that they're onthe other side of it, hearing
what they did to get on theother side of it, and usually
it's like being of service toothers but also being in service
to yourself, cultivatingself-love, really getting in
touch with your own worthiness,and that has to do with
unwinding what I call limitingbeliefs, which are beliefs that
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are keeping you stuck, and theycome from a place like I was
talking about with a clientearlier.
There was this time when I wasa little kid and my family was
getting ready to go toDisneyland in a couple of days,
and then, two days before wewere supposed to leave, my mom
told me we weren't going toDisneyland, that my parents
couldn't afford it and that theyneeded to stay and work.
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And I felt so disappointed thatI promised myself I would never
get my hopes up like that again, because I did not want to feel
this feeling.
And the most important part ofthat statement is, I did not
want to feel that feeling everagain.
And so when good things wouldcome into my life that I could
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get excited about, there wouldbe a part of me that felt
reserved, of like we don't knowif this is really going to
happen, so we shouldn't get thatexcited about it.
And I didn't realize till doingsome internal work with
somebody who's asking you, youknow, like, what is this
bringing up for you?
Where do you think this camefrom?
Do you think it's true?
I was able to remember thattime in that situation and see
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like, oh, this is what.
This is part of the reason whyI was waiting for the other shoe
to drop all the time.
This is part of the reason whyI wasn't letting myself really
sink in and enjoy the moment,because I was thinking, you know
, if it's too good to be true,I'm probably going to get
disappointed if I get toowrapped up into this.
And I remember believing that inrelationships.
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I remember believing that withlike job opportunities in many
areas of my life and thenconnecting to something greater
than myself and learning to havea relationship with that
greater thing has been such apivotal part of my longer
journey recovering fromalcoholism, recovering from
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losing my mom to cancer,recovering from losing my house
in the 2017 fires like thatconnection, that trust, that
relationship with a higher power, because that helps me remember
I'm not in control and I'm notalone.
And it's a relationship and Istress that word so strongly
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because it's a conversation, adialogue that happens daily and
that it's a building of trust.
I grew up Catholic and I didnot like religion for a very
long time and I knew I wasspiritual and I have like
quotation marks around spiritualfor a long time, cause I was
just like dipping my toe in andout, in and out whenever it felt
(33:57):
fun.
You know, like I'm going to goto this meditation retreat, I'm
going to meditate sometimes, andlike I didn't have a strong
practice until I decided to stopdrinking and really started
focusing on this spiritual pathand the connection with my
higher power.
That relationship has been likea hey, I really need help right
(34:18):
now with this thing.
Show me what to do.
It's that open-ended like showme, I don't know how to handle
this by myself.
Show me support.
And then watching as supportshows up and that's part of that
RAS system too it's liketapping into okay, support,
where can I see support?
And then my brain startsfiltering Okay, look around you.
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In my experience, before thesereally challenging events
happened, I was the mostdepressed, the most in self-pity
, the most anxious, and I hadthe opportunity for support, but
I just couldn't get there.
I couldn't see it because I wasbelieving that life would
always be really hard and I hadto have a spiritual shift, a
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spiritual awakening in which Irelied on something outside of
myself and then was willing torisk the pain my mind told me I
would have if I got close topeople and they disappointed me.
I was willing to try somethingdifferent.
Writing hasn't always been easyfor me or comfortable.
For a long time.
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For several years, it was likethe last thing I wanted to do,
and then I had to be honest withsomebody else and share what
was really going on with me, toreceive that support and receive
that healing.
And that is the lifelongpractice that continues to
happen, that peeling back thelayers of fear, the looking
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within instead of outside ofmyself for validation.
And then what that looks likedaily is having the courage to
put my needs first, becausestill to this day, I will
believe, I don't have enoughtime and I don't have enough
space to do whatever I need todo if I'm stuck in that chaos.
(36:10):
But at least now I'm able tosay, like is that really true?
Because you're pretty tiredright now.
Like, does everything reallyneed to happen today?
And usually I can kind of havean internal conversation with
myself and be like, well, itwouldn't be the end of the world
(36:30):
if it happened tomorrow.
And even though it's not perfect, letting go of that
perfectionism, it will be okay,and it's best for what I need
right now, Like I wouldn't treatmy best friend this way and
expect my best friend tooverextend herself when she's
completely depleted.
And so why would I expect thatof myself and what I've been
(36:52):
finding?
Because it's that like trialand trust, you know, like try it
out.
I'm not saying go in this blind, but what I've been doing is
I've been, if I feel that way,I've been taking like a whole
day off from online work becauseI had all these online emails,
posts, different things that Ithought I needed to do that day
and saying you know what,everything's going to be better
(37:14):
if I try it when I have moreenergy.
I'm going to just rest today,and sometimes that looks like
binging Netflix for like threehours and taking a nap in the
middle of the day and then thenext day I try again and I try
to fit those things into myschedule with appropriate
expectations and it's workingout Like sometimes I release a
(37:38):
podcast two days later than Iwould have, but it's a much
better podcast.
Speaker 2 (37:43):
Right, who's going to know that it was two days late?
Speaker 1 (37:46):
I know I'm really good at setting these
unattainable expectations ofmyself and then getting upset at
myself for not followingthrough with them, when no one
else has these expectations oris even aware that these rules
are in place.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
Yeah Well, let's talk about perfection, since that
seems to be coming up.
Think that we, especially aswomen, as healers, we put these
expectations of perfection onwho we are and what we do, and
we're not worthy unless we getit done perfectly and right.
(38:22):
And you know, dot the I's andcross the T's, I mean it's the
ultimate, karen, as they say,which I hate to say that, but
those ideas are not conducive totrust.
And you were talking about thatyour primary relationship, we
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call it, with the supreme being,which is the universe, god.
You know, I too was raisedCatholic and thinking God does
not hate me because I'm notperfect.
I know that for sure.
You know I would have to makeup stuff when I was a kid to go
to confession.
I stole a pen off my mom'sdresser, you know, oh good.
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You know, send 10 Hail Marys,oh my God.
You know.
So what the work that we're bothdoing now really helps us let
go of that perfection and trustin divine timing.
We are connected to that, we'reco-creators in that, and that's
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the thing we don't realize.
So running your energy,journaling, with prompts that
are helpful for you to movealong, really help us get to
this place of being.
It sounds kind of silly, butbeing at one with this peace and
this trust so we can draw intoour lives the things that we
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want to create, rather thanhaving to work so hard that
we're completely exhausted.
You know, and I understand,it's different when you have
kids.
I mean, that's a wholedifferent lifestyle and I know
that you know your mom's outthere going, yeah, but you know
what about when the kids arescreaming at me that kind of
thing?
Yeah, I understand those.
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Those are, we are physicalbeings and we do need to take
care of those kids and get themfed right, get them to school,
get them to a soccer practiceand all of that.
Um but um.
You know, we can find the joyin those moments and even in the
breaths where we're at the stopsign and we're remembering who
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we are and remembering that wedo have that fuel of the
universe driving us into thatbeauty which is not perfection,
it's perfection creating withoutthese boundaries and these
(40:54):
limitations on them.
If I am just perfect, thenpeople will love me.
If I make everything lookexactly how it needs to be,
nothing bad will happen.
It's kind of like you holdingback that emotion when you were
a child and I can relate to that.
I never asked for a lot becauseI was the oldest of six and I
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thought, oh, if I ask for more,there's not going to be enough
for everybody else.
And you know, I've got allthese brothers and sisters I'm
supposed to take care of.
And you know, that went reallyquickly because I realized, you
know, I can't fix everything foreverybody and it's hard as a
child and as a caretaker youthink I'm not doing enough, I'm
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not being perfect enough, andwhen you let go of that level of
perfection, you can really justbe present with the creation
and creating on that level oflimitlessness.
But there's a partnership.
You don't feel alone whenyou're connected to the universe
(42:00):
.
You feel like there's a trustthere, there's a grace there and
really resting in that peace.
And that's what journaling,that's what running your energy,
that's what meditation does, ishelping us let go of all of
these limitations that we thinkwe need to be perfect.
We need to create this exactlyin the way that so-and-so said,
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or that your head says that youneed to create, because your
mother and your pastor and yourhusband and your friends said
that you're not perfect unlessyou get the exact right designer
and you're only driving theabsolute best car and you're
only wearing the perfect thingsthat all the celebrities are
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wearing.
The truth lies inside of us andwe are that limitlessness, and
that's the cool thing.
We don't realize that we arejust like nature.
We are just like you know, whenyou're standing at the ocean
and you see the vastness of thewaves and your feet are in the
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sand and the sun is shining downon you and you just feel like
lost in this.
That's who we are.
But on a day-to-day basis, whenwe have to get dinner on the
table and we have to make surewe get up in time to get to work
and we have all this paperworkto do, what I want to remind you
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to do is that we have thesetools and that's what Alessandra
and I are always focused onteaching you these tools, and I
know I've learned these thingsover and over and over again,
but how I remember them is byrepetition.
So you'll hear us say some ofthe same things that we might've
said on another podcast, thatwe might've said in a workshop,
(43:52):
that we might've said one-to-onewhen you came into our offices,
but it's a reminder to rememberwho we are, and that's the joy.
It's going to make me cry,that's the joy of being human,
that's why we're here, that'swhy we're physical bodies having
a spiritual experience.
It's so powerful and it soundsgoofy, but it is goofy and it's
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wonderful.
It's beautiful, it's the bestof everything, and it allows us
to live fuller in our lives,even for just 10 minutes, until
we get into the next thing.
And then we're all stuck againand tired and exhausted, and so
we go and take a nap and then wecome back and we run our energy
and then we set time laterbefore we go to bed to work on
that journal prompt so that wecan do it all over again.
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Because that's what life is ago.
And you know I think about.
You know, I've lost people inmy life before.
But you know, when you loseyour mother, it's so primary,
(45:04):
it's so primal that you reallythink about your life and think
about how you're living yourlife and what does this all mean
?
And exactly that.
You know the things that sheappreciated at the end.
I used to drive her around inthe car because that's all she
could do anymore.
You know, oh, mom, I'm going togo to the store.
Oh, let me go with you, I'll gofor a ride.
So she would, just in themiddle of me driving down the
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street she'd go oh my God, lookat that.
I'm like mom, what she says,that lemon bush is so beautiful.
Or she'd scream the clouds, theclouds.
Oh my goodness, look at theclouds.
She was living in the moment.
She was just realizing thatbeauty that she's a part of.
You are those clouds.
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You are that lemon bush, youare your life, and that's where
the beauty comes in, that'swhere the present time comes in.
Is that grace?
And to me that is the supremebeing, that is God, that love,
that connection that we havewith each other, that beauty in
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the moment, even of the thingsthat somebody else has brought
into their life or into thislife, is a miracle.
Everything you look around andeverything somebody created, you
go oh my gosh, how did they dothat?
You know that's beauty and it'sall around us to remind us.
You know.
So remember those trees.
(46:29):
When you see the trees, everytime you see a tree now I want
you to think bring your energyup, get grounded, put your roots
down and bring your energy up.
Get grounded, put your rootsdown and bring your energy up.
That one little thing is goingto help you stay connected to
that grace.
I love that.
Yeah, it's a really easyremembrance because you look out
the window, you know, and it'sneurologically it's been proven
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that it will take you out offight or flight.
Speaker 1 (46:57):
When you talk about bringing your energy up, what do
you visualize?
Speaker 2 (47:02):
I visualize.
Well, physically, instead oflooking down, I'll look up and
I'll think about just rising up.
That's what I think about.
I mean, I've been doing thisfor a long time, so I know what
it means.
But for you, just bring yourenergy, your focus, your
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attention up, higher, up aboveyour head.
That's what you want to think.
Just like a tree look up at theleaves reaching for the sun.
That's what you do tophysically lift your energy up.
Yeah, it's a really simple oneto remember and a great tool,
(47:44):
and you're going to forget it,and that's okay.
We'll remind you again, yeah.
Speaker 1 (47:49):
Yeah, and I love how you talked about like things
being goofy, like we get sostuck in oh, black and white,
you know, got to get X, y, z,to-do list kind of thing done
Instead of like remembering whatit's like to be curious and be
a kid and have fun and to thinksomething is hilarious or to
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laugh at yourself.
Speaker 2 (48:10):
Yes, so that, funny enough, is the highest spiritual
energy that you can be.
We call it amusement and thatis laughing at ourselves and
realizing this whole thing isgoofy, really.
It's okay.
You don't have to color withinthe lines.
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Make it purple, you know.
Make that elephant purple.
Make the giraffe have squaresinstead of spots, it doesn't
matter.
That allows you to be in thatlimitlessness, that playfulness,
and if you do something fun foryourself every day, it helps.
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I mean, put on some music andjust dance like they say.
Dance like nobody's watching,right, sing at the top of your
lungs.
When you're in your car, at astoplight, just make sure your
windows are rolled up or leaveyour windows down, and the other
people will look at you andshake their head and go, wow,
that person's goofy.
And you're, yeah, yeah, I am.
You know.
(49:24):
Be in that place of childlike,watch a kid.
That's why it's so fun to bearound children, when you can
sit there and watch them play,or babies, is because they have
that inherent playfulness and itreally is just about letting go
and allowing yourself to let goof all those limitations, those
, you know, all that shroud weput around us.
It keeps us locked in.
(49:45):
Think of it as a straitjacket,that perfection, that adult.
You know, sometimes we don'twant to be that.
And when you say I don't wantto adult today, you know I hear
my younger friends saying thatthat means you need a little bit
of playfulness in your life.
Go sit on the swings.
That does it for me.
You know.
Sit on the swings.
So yeah, what do you?
Speaker 1 (50:09):
do to get goofy?
Oh, definitely dancing bymyself, yeah, yeah.
And then, like, if I'm on awalk sometimes and listening to
music, I'll start like dancingwhile I'm walking, there you go
and dance is definitely my topfavorite, yeah, and then
listening to comedians helps me,and then just laughing at
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myself sometimes, like theseriousness at which I take
things in my life, like beingable to laugh at like oh, we're
so serious about this, right,exactly, yeah.
Speaker 2 (50:40):
Yeah, I caught myself doing that the other day.
So one of the things I do formyself and now that I'm
semi-retired is I'm sewing, andso what I do to get myself out
of that perfection is I talk tomyself and then I just say, ah,
silly girl, that doesn't work,let's do it all over again.
Oh, this is fun, cause I get touse my sea river.
You know, I have these goofyconversations with myself.
(51:02):
Nobody's home, so I can, I cando that, and then I sing, you
know, at the top of my lungscause nobody's home, and uh, and
it's fun, rather than getfrustrated and you know not to
say that I don't get frustrated,but this is a fun thing that I
do to kind of keep myself inthat goofy, fun, creative space.
Speaker 1 (51:19):
Yeah, and for me it's sometimes new things and even
like really little new things,like, for example, I was making
tomato pie last night, which I'mlike obsessed with making
tomato pie.
I'll share the recipe with youlater.
And I had this idea.
I was like I think a Cuisinartcan grade cheese a food
processor.
(51:39):
I never knew that, and so then Ilooked for the attachment and
then, like I had so much fungrading cheese and I was like
this is amazing.
And then I saw you can likeslice vegetables with it too,
and it's like my mind has beenblown.
But like this is like verycommon for me, like, uh, I like
have a little bit of likeattention.
Not, I don't pay attention asclearly as some other people do,
(52:02):
but it's really fun that Idon't, because, like I in my car
, when I got, uh the car that Ihave now, I bought it used and
I'm not somebody who will likeread through the instruction
book.
I'll just like kind of figureit out as I go along, and every
time my husband would get in thecar he would figure out all
these new things my car does andI would be like completely
impressed.
Yeah, and like so many thingshappen daily where, like he'll
(52:25):
be like, yeah, you do it likethis or you do this one thing,
and I will just be like blownaway by like, oh my gosh, the
simple thing that's been in mylife for so long does these
other things and uh, justallowing myself to get like
really excited about thosethings, about the joy and wonder
.
Speaker 2 (52:43):
That's that amusement .
Like a child, you know thatplayfulness, like wow, I learned
something new.
It's so your smile is open.
It's just like.
Speaker 1 (52:54):
I don't think people understand like the fascination
that happens, that like Igenuinely feel on such a deep
level, like when I learnsomething new, and it's so
simple, absolutely, yeah, it'smy favorite, it's my favorite.
Speaker 2 (53:10):
I pray that we all, we all, can find that on a daily
basis.
You know one small thing justto be amused at and be joyful
about, just you know, tocelebrate being alive.
It's those little things, youknow.
Spirituality is not aboutmeditation.
Spirituality is about beingpresent in your life.
I mean, that's what we're herein these bodies to learn is to
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be present and to embrace it all.
You know the darkness and thelight.
The darkness comes so that wecan find the light, and you know
that's that's.
We all feel that from time totime, and you know more so it
seems like daily life is gettingharder and harder for some
people.
But you have to be able to letgo and find that space again
(53:58):
where you can play and be joyful, because then it brings you
back to that possibility thatyou can create your life how you
want it.
You can find joy, you can findthat wonder and that playfulness
that in you know, in simplethings like learning how to
grate cheese with your Cuisinart, saved me so much time.
Speaker 1 (54:20):
Especially since we have this really crappy cheese
grater and for some reason Idon't ever remember to buy a new
one.
That's better, but now that Ifound the Cuisinart like I don't
need to buy it, I had it in myvicinity the whole time, just
like whatever we need to heal isin our vicinity the whole time,
absolutely.
Speaker 2 (54:37):
It's just having the tools.
Speaker 1 (54:39):
Yeah, it's a great tool.
Speaker 2 (54:41):
So you know, that's what we're here to remind you
about.
Speaker 1 (54:44):
Yeah, and what you're saying reminds me of like the
importance of contrast and theimportance of like taking the
time to practice tools so thatyou live your life spiritually
connected.
It's like hopping in and out,like you're hopping into your
toolbox for like five minutes sothat you can live five hours
more committed than like hoppinginto meditation or hopping into
(55:08):
journaling or having like a onehour coaching session or a one
hour class with you and so thatyou can live three days
connected, so you can live aweek connected.
And so it's not about I lovehow you said that, because it's
not about like living in thetools all the time.
It's about like hopping in andout.
Speaker 2 (55:28):
Right To where you realize oh, this is part of me.
You know, it's like I tell mypatients, my clients.
It's like brushing your teeth.
You're not going to only dothat and you're not only doing
it to prevent cavities.
You want your teeth to be thereso that you can talk correctly,
so you can chew your food.
(55:49):
So you know, your whole bodydepends on your teeth being
healthy.
But your whole body depends onyour spine being healthy because
it supports you and your, yourspiritual, um, body being
healthy.
So because it, it defines you,it, it you create through it, I
(56:10):
mean, it's part of who you areand that's what I'm here to
remind you is that it's notsomething weird or ooey, gooey
or woohoo.
It really is a part of who weare, an important part of who we
are, and the more that you canuse this and bring it into your
life, it just helps life be morefull, be more seamless, you
(56:35):
know, and you can enjoy thatbetter.
So that's a thing you know thatwe can also explore is how do
we, when and how do we run ourenergy?
When and how do we journal,when and how do we meditate?
You know, those are the thingsthat people ask you know, how
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often should I be doing this?
And the way that I like to doit, honestly, is I, when I first
wake up, I'm grateful and I saythank you so much for this
beautiful life and I, whatevercomes to my consciousness,
instead of like you know,because sometimes you wake up
and you go, oh, I have to get up.
Of.
(57:16):
Like you know, cause sometimesyou wake up and you go, oh, I
have to get up I turn thataround and say thank you for
another day, you know, beinggrateful that I'm here.
And then I hear the birds and Isay thank you so much for these
beautiful birds and the songthat they sing to bring me joy,
you know so, and sometimes it'snothing more than thank you for
my bed, because I don't want toget out of my bed.
Thank you for my bed.
I'm so grateful that I have abed and a wonderful home and you
(57:38):
know I'm safe and happy.
So I start there and then I runmy energy.
Alessandra and I had thischallenge one time where we just
said, okay, we're going to runour energy every morning and we
would just run it in bed or situp and run it.
You know, get to sit in thechair and then run your energy,
so making those those thingswhere you, those places where
(58:02):
you know you're going to be.
So I run my energy for 10minutes at least, sometimes 20,
in the morning, and then I'llusually do it at lunch when I
have a break, and then I'll doit again in the evening when I'm
sitting on my bed before I laydown, so that you have a few
minutes and you know, start witha few minutes, two minutes to
start with, Set a timer and doit for two minutes of those
(58:24):
three times of the day and thenget up to where you can run it.
You know longer and longer.
And then the other thing I tellpeople is do it when you're in
the restroom, because we allhave to do that, our bodies
demand that we use the restroom.
So when you're in there, takeanother extra minute After
(58:47):
you're done and zipped up andeverything, take another extra
minute to run your energy, oreven just a few moments, because
then you'll find more and morethat you're finding these spaces
and it's like you.
You crave these moments whereyou can do that.
And you know when I like if Ihad a light, and I know this
light's going to be really long.
(59:08):
I'll close my eyes for a fewseconds and just check on my
grounding cord or blow someroses, and you know.
So.
Create to create these spaceswhere you can find your space
more and more, because it reallyhelps you when you do.
It's like being able to take alittle nap in the middle of the
day.
You know if you have an extrahalf hour, 20 minutes or
whatever.
(59:28):
So that's how, that's how I doit, and I also tell people when
you're first learning, putstickies everywhere and then
change those stickies.
You know, put one in yourbathroom, put one on your
refrigerator, put one on yourdashboard.
You know, put one at your deskon your computer, and you mean
post-it notes.
Yes, sticky, that's what I callstickies.
(59:49):
Yeah, sticky notes.
Speaker 1 (59:50):
Yeah, just in case anybody's like what are stick,
come on, that's a great nameyeah I love it now we can all
call them stickies.
That's great, absolutely yeahand I think this is a great
segue into an exciting offerthat you and I have.
October 5th, which is asaturday from one to four, dr
(01:00:13):
Debbie and I are hosting AwakenRetreat, and the theme of this
Awaken Retreat is going to berest, restore and rejuvenate.
And we have Jodi Shieldsjoining us as well.
She's a yoga teacher and amassage therapist, and the day
is going to unfold with aopening and then a workshop by
(01:00:38):
yours truly, and then JodiShields is going to take us
through a yoga practice and then, dr Debbie, you're going to
share some psychic tools with us.
Speaker 2 (01:00:47):
Yeah, yeah, I'm excited for this one because
we're all in this place where wecan truly use this mini retreat
.
It's a good time because, as wewere talking about you know,
it's the beginning of fall, ofautumn, where we're kind of
gathering up all our nourishment, our little nuts and you know,
(01:01:10):
to store away for the winter,where we're going to do a lot of
inner work, and so it's aperfect time to regain all of
that nourishment that we need inour physical bodies and in our
spirit to get through this deepmeditation time during winter.
(01:01:32):
So I'm excited for this andlooking forward to sharing this
with you all.
Speaker 1 (01:01:39):
Yeah, and it's going to be at my office downtown, and
Jodi's yoga practice duringthis retreat is going to be very
restorative, focused, and sowill the workshop that I'm
leading, and winter is the timeto go within and to let things
percolate and to give yourselftime to rest, and so this is
(01:02:00):
like the perfect launch for thiskind of a retreat, and we'll
have yummy snacks and you'llleave this retreat feeling
connected to yourself, calm andlike you have some tools that
you can practice daily that arereally going to make a big
difference in your life.
Yeah, and you're going to feelmore connected to yourself.
(01:02:20):
You're going to feel connectedto others that you met at that
retreat, because the rightpeople always seem to be
attracted.
Speaker 2 (01:02:27):
They always do, and I love how they forge these
relationships.
Speaker 1 (01:02:30):
Yeah, yeah, it's nice .
And then you're going to feelconnected to source, you're
going to feel connected to theuniverse, and when you find that
connection, when you find thatclarity, everything else becomes
so much easier and we will havea follow-up too right?
Speaker 2 (01:02:45):
Yes, Included.
Speaker 1 (01:02:46):
Yes, we will include a follow-up called an energy
check session, right be 30minutes a week after the retreat
, in which Dr Debbie and I aregoing to check in with you and
see if you have any questions,if anything in particular has
come up, and to check the energyof the group on a spiritual
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level.
Speaker 2 (01:03:08):
Yeah.
So it's great to bring us backinto the present.
Whenever you make changesspiritually, your physical body
needs to catch up.
So that's what the energy checkis about is about bringing us
back into the present andallowing us to kind of validate
all the big shifts that we'regoing to make through the
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retreat that we're doing.
And last time, whoa, I can tellyou, so many of you made huge
shifts in their lives and we sawthat massive growth and
awareness for people coming intothemselves after that retreat.
It was really really amazingand absolutely more than we ever
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expected.
So we're excited to do thisagain and hope that you can join
us for that.
Speaker 1 (01:03:58):
Yeah, and so again, it'll be on Saturday, october
5th.
You can find a link to sign upin the show notes.
You'll be able to find a linkat mrshardcom.
You'll also be able to find alink in my bio on Instagram at
mrshard.
Underscore times no more.
And where can people find?
Speaker 2 (01:04:18):
you, dr Debbie, so people can find me at my website
is drdvsdccom.
That's drdvsdccom and I'm onInstagram at oh gosh, I forgot
my handle, but we'll put it in.
There's a Dr Debbie one andthere's a Debbie Victoria
(01:04:41):
Clairvoyant, and then I have apersonal one, debbie Victoria
Seal, as well.
Speaker 1 (01:04:48):
Yeah, and this retreat is also going to have a
limit of eight people who canjoin, eight spots available, so
you'll really want to jump ongetting into this retreat,
absolutely, and we'll have itopen and registration will be
available by the time that thispodcast launches.
All right, thank you so much,dr Debbie, for sharing so much
(01:05:10):
with us today.
Speaker 2 (01:05:12):
It's always so fun.
It's just amazing how thingsunfold with us and all of you.
I'm just really grateful tohave you here with us.
I can hear you all and see youall in your gratitude and in
your grace.
Keep up the good work and knowthat you're doing it exactly how
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you need to.
So be easy on yourself and loveyourself as we love you.
Take care, all right, thank you, bye, bye.
Hi, I'm Alessandra Tolome Hard, aka Mrs Hard, and
this is Hard Times no More, apodcast for people who are tired
of struggling with boundaries,people-pleasing and relationship
problems.
I have overcome some hard times.
Within three years, I stoppeddrinking, my mom died of cancer
and my house burnt down in aCalifornia wildfire, and those
(00:22):
are just the highlights.
I have a lot of reasons to bemiserable, but I'm not.
The truth is, life was morechallenging before these events
happened.
If you are tired of waiting foryour circumstances to change to
find happiness and peace ofmind, you are in the right place
.
Join me as I share the tools Iuse in love to transform
(00:43):
challenges into assets andinterview others about their
relationship journeys.
Together, let's learn how tohave a happy life full of
healthy, meaningfulrelationships, and say goodbye
to hard times for good.
Hey there, welcome back to theHard Times no More Relationship
(01:04):
Podcast.
I'm Alessandra Ptolemy-Hard,aka Mrs Hard, your host Today.
I have a very special guest withme, the wonderful and
incredible Dr DebbieVictoria-Seale.
If you don't know, dr Debbie,she's been a regular on the
podcast and she is an intuitivehealer and holistic chiropractor
(01:25):
.
Today, we're going to discussthe overwhelming stress you may
be feeling right now, whetherit's from a fast-paced, busy
life, the ongoing changes in theworld around us, or just the
daily grind pulling you in somany different directions.
(01:46):
We're going to talk aboutpractical ways you can ground
yourself, reset your nervoussystem and find moments of peace
amidst your crazy life.
I'm also super excited to letyou know about the Awaken
Retreat.
Yes, we hosted it back in Juneand we're doing it again
(02:07):
Saturday, october 5th, from 1 to5 pm.
This version of the AwakenRetreat is going to be focused
on rest, restoration andrejuvenation, and we're going to
have Jodi Shields join us.
She's going to lead arestorative yoga practice during
our retreat.
Together, the three of us willprovide you with tools to reset
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and recharge as we transitioninto the quieter, more
reflective season of fall.
With only eight spots available, you're going to want to
register as soon as possible,and you can find a link for that
registration in the show notes.
So, whether you're new to theconcept of intuitive healing or
(02:52):
are curious and looking for waysto deepen your existing
practice, this episode isjam-packed with insights and
practical advice that can make ahuge difference in your life
today.
So get comfortable, take a deepbreath and join us for this
enlightening conversation.
Let's dive in.
So a lot of people seem verystressed out these days, my
(03:16):
goodness.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Yeah, it's a big deal .
Just you know a lot going on.
There's a lot going onastrologically.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
What do you know about what lot going on?
There's a lot going onastrologically.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
What do you know about what's going on
astrologically Well, in thatwe're in a big time of change.
All the chaos that we wentthrough, if you think about, you
know, even since COVID, likehow much shift we've gone
through.
You know how much has changedshift we've gone through.
You know how much has changed.
I mean, a lot of us don't evenremember what happened in 2020.
(03:48):
And thinking about where we arenow, how much we've grown and
how much we've accomplished andhow much we've changed for the
better, and I think that we'recoming into, I'm getting like
these little glimpses of peaceand calm and knowing, and also
(04:10):
these little glimpses ofsynchronicity that are just like
crazy, happening like all overthe place.
But you can't deny that youfeel so stressed in your body
and it's funny, it's exhaustingand I feel like I'm having to
rest more and more.
I mean it could be my age, butI think you know everybody that
(04:34):
I'm talking to is kind offeeling the same thing and I'm
seeing that in my practice too.
Everybody's kind of exhausted.
But you know we make, do we getthrough?
Get?
Speaker 1 (04:44):
through.
Yeah, I think that feeling hasme really excited for fall, to
get ready and prepare for winterand the time of slowing down
and going within.
It's like I'm already cravingit so much right now and I know
a lot of other people arecraving fall and I wonder if
they're acknowledging thatthat's the reason because
(05:06):
they're really craving thatslowdown, even though
energetically with like kidsgoing back to school and all the
shifting going on right now, Ifeel like a lot of people feel
overwhelmed because they're verybusy.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Yeah true, true, true .
There's a lot on our platesright now Because I think
traditionally what I've seen init feels like September has
started earlier.
It started in August for methis time and September is
usually a very busy time ofgetting things done Like we
(05:40):
really want to put our headsdown, you know from summer, and
really do stuff.
Like we really want to put ourheads down, you know from summer
, and really do stuff.
It's kind of like gathering allof our, you know, our
nourishment, our nuts, you know,and storing those away.
Yeah, and it's.
The weather is.
Even in the valley here theweather started to change, which
is kind of nice, you know wherewe get a little more cooler,
(06:02):
longer coolness in the morningand longer cooler in the evening
.
So that's nice too.
But I agree with you that Ithink we're really starting to
feel because we're exhausted,we're really starting to.
Our bodies are craving that,you know, getting ready for that
winter where we slow down andreally honor that rest and
(06:26):
quietness.
But finding that that's a toughpart right now is finding that
peace and that space amidst thebusyness.
And I think that you know withwhat you and I do, we can help
people with tools to find thatpeace and that quietness that we
(06:49):
need to reset amidst all thechaos.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
Yeah, what do you do when you're pulled in those two
different directions, where youknow your body needs rest and
reprieve from stress, but you'restill feeling called to push
and show up and do?
What do you do for yourself?
Speaker 2 (07:11):
What I'm finding is that I really have to take those
periods where I do have breaksand be very mindful about.
Even when I'm in the office.
I'll lay on the floor or lay ona table and turn off the music
and turn off the lights and takelike five or ten minutes to
(07:33):
quiet myself and to meditate andrun my energy and it really
helps because, yeah, it'simportant and even small moments
in between patients.
You know where I teach peoplethis fun one where you can just
(07:55):
cup your hands over your eyes.
You can do that unless you'redriving.
Put your hands over your eyesand cup around and close your
eyelids, but look into the blackand what it does is it resets
your nervous system from fightor flight to rest and digest,
and that's something that'simportant for us to do.
(08:19):
A small tool that you can usevery simply and very quickly.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Yeah, I think people underestimate the power of
resting for five minutes.
And what do you mean when yousay run your energy?
Speaker 2 (08:32):
So running your energy is uh, it's um.
We have access to pureuniversal energy and the pure
energy of the earth and throughtools, I teach people how to
ground and run that earth energy, run that cosmic energy through
(08:57):
your body and your chakras,which are your body's energy
centers, so that you can cleanseand remove any energy that's
not yours, because when we'regoing along our day we
oftentimes take in stuff that'snot ours.
(09:17):
It's kind of like putting thewrong kind of fuel in your tank,
putting in diesel when youreally need gasoline.
So what we're doing is we'reusing these pure energies to
kind of give our body a detox,and because we're not only
physical, we are spiritual aswell, this is a good way to
(09:39):
reset both of those things.
And then your nervous systemgets reset too, because you're
focusing on just allowing andowning that space for yourself.
So neurologically, you'recalming everything down.
Like I said, you go from fightor flight to rest and digest.
Now, when we're in fight orflight, you know, oftentimes
(10:00):
we're in that sympatheticoverload and we're not meant to
be in that.
We're meant to run theparasympathetic system as our
dominant system as we're goingalong life and we get so
stressed out, we're caffeinated.
We're running around, we'relooking at the five different
(10:21):
things we have to do.
They've got to pick up the kids, and then I've got to get them,
and I got to feed them and thenthey got, you know, practice.
And then we got to get back.
You know we got to get to.
So all of this stuff puts us infight or flight, like we feel
like we're being chased by thetiger all the time, even though
we don't recognize it, and thenwe're just exhausted.
So what we want to do is takethose small moments to run your
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energy to reset not only yournervous system but your
spiritual, basically yourspirit's energy system.
So it's kind of like it's akinto the nervous system, which is
kind of exciting for me becauseof course, I'm a chiropractor,
so I see those two intersect atthe nexus of the spine and it's
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really important to learn how torun those energies and it's a
very simple visualization butit's very powerful.
So I do a class calledmeditation and that's where you
learn how to run those corefuels in your body and very
(11:25):
simply, and it helps you reset.
It's like a nap.
It's really wonderful and it'sbeen proven that meditating and
running your energy really doesreset your nervous system, so
it's beneficial.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
Yeah, and I find that it's so helpful if I'm having a
day where, like, I didn't sleepall the the night before or
I've had a lot on my plate, totake those like little mini
breaks through the day.
But I've had to like trainmyself that it's okay to take
that time to pause because youneed it most when you have so
(12:00):
many things on your to do list,so many maybe even people
calling for your energy and yourattention, and so your mind
initially will tell you you knowyou're already short on time,
you don't have the space to dothat, but it's just five minutes
and when you do that it's likeyou actually create more time
(12:20):
and more space in your life in avery short amount of time,
because then you have moreenergy for yourself so you can
show up more like your full selfand be present and remind
yourself to do your best to stoprushing, because I mean, let's
be honest, like we try our best.
(12:40):
But if you have those littlechecks through the day, I like
to do it in the morning and thenlike right after lunch is a
great time and then after workto cleanse whatever energy came
up between me and my clientsthrough our sessions, because I
love how you've taught me thatpeople are kind of plugging in
to your energy and it's notsomething bad or something wrong
(13:06):
.
It's something that we all doenergetically as people.
But that cord cutting can be sobeneficial.
And even doing that cord cuttingwith the people we love like I
do it with my husband daily,like I do an energetic cord
cutting, or if there's somebodywho I keep thinking about, who
keeps on coming to mind, whetherit's a client or a friend I do
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an energetic cord cuttingbecause that's telling me that
they're in my space and it'sjust something that happens.
And so it's like you're saying,like this cleansing kind of like
brushing your teeth andstarting all over so that you
can feel your own energy in yourown space.
And I love how you've taught mehow to feel my own energy and
recognize my own energy, becausethat has that's where our power
(13:53):
is in, like our own energy.
And I was just talking aboutthis with a client earlier, how
I used to think that to beconnected with others, I needed
to be in their stuff, like Ineeded to be overgiving and over
attached to what was going onin their lives and how they were
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feeling and what they werethinking about me and all of
this complication where really Iwas just wanting connection
with them.
And so that's why I was tooinvolved and I thought if I
wasn't as involved I would losethat connection.
But actually, by connecting tomyself more and connecting to my
higher power and finding myworth and my energy within that
(14:35):
space made the connection somuch clearer and more healthy
and more supportive, and then itstrengthened the connection
which was, it felt, so backwards.
I thought the connection wouldbe from being too involved, but
it's actually from like steppingback and being in your own
space, knowing your own energy.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Yeah, absolutely, moms and healers, we all do that
.
You know business owners.
We do that because we wantpeople to see the value in what
we do.
We want to be important to youin some way, so we all think
that that's what we need to do.
But the interesting thing is iswhen you work on yourself, when
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you heal yourself, when youfind your own space, that's
where others can match thatenergy and find their own space
and you find it's a much morecoherent relationship and it's
clear, our boundaries are clear,and it's so much more rewarding
(15:37):
for each of us.
And that's hard to understand asa healer because, like you said
, we want to fix everybody, wewant to make sure they're okay.
We want to make sure that youknow.
We know that they're not okayand how can we help you fix that
?
And really it's it's.
You turn that mirror in onyourself and you heal yourself
(15:58):
first, and that's what workingwith energy is and working on a
spiritual level is is.
It's about healing yourself.
And we think that you know weget into this because we want to
help others, but the best wayto help others is to help
ourselves.
Yeah, and you really don'tunderstand that until you start
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working with people, and I havethis one client and she just
gets exhausted when she workswith people, and so we're
working now for her to learn andshe's done all kinds of other
spiritual work but I'm teachingher this very simple method to
find her own space, to run herown energy so she can be with
(16:42):
clients while she's healingherself and helping them on a
business level, but they're ableto heal themselves.
So that's the funny thing thathappens in those relationships
and that's what you're good at,Alessandra is showing people
that in order to be in arelationship, you heal yourself.
(17:05):
And that's exactly what I do isI help people heal themselves
in their body and spiritually.
So it's interesting, to say theleast.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
Yeah, that took a while for me to learn that
detachment with others.
And then, in my practice, likeempowering others to recognize
their ability to heal, that theydon't need me to heal, that
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it's happening within them and Ifeel like people whether it's
getting on the table for massageor coaching, like it's almost
like they created me to comeinto their life and then they're
using me as like what they needto facilitate their own healing
.
And so it's important to havepractitioners and people you
trust in your life, but to notmake that person the guru or the
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person that you have to have tofind your own healing,
especially when you recognizethat what you're putting out
there and what you're receivingfrom the other people is coming
from within, in the internaljourney.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Right, it's funny, we don't need those practitioners
and healers, but we do, becausethey help reflect what we need
to heal.
And that's the interestingthing about spiritual work and
even just being mindful, is youdraw to you what you need to
heal and so that practitioneralso is going to be the that has
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similar things to you going on,but on, maybe on a little with
a little bit different flavor.
So it's interesting how wechoose the people that we want
to help us heal as well, becausethey are on the same path that
we are, and that's that's areally interesting thing,
because we think, oh, she'sreally good, because you know
(19:05):
she's a great chiropractor andyou know she does things exactly
how I want them.
But you know I'm going throughthese same things that you are,
and so are all the other people.
In the practice they're goingon the same thing.
So we have this.
It's kind of like we're allhealing together and it's really
cool when that happens becausewe're lifting each other up, and
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that's what true healing is,and that's why we're here.
Right Is, we're here tointeract, we're here to have
relationships so that we can seereflected in other people where
we want to heal ourselves,where we have healed who we are,
who we want to be, who we don'twant to be.
That's why relationships are sopowerful is because they
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reflect those things for us andit allows us to become more of
who we are, who we truly are,which is always there.
It's like you're justuncovering the mud.
You're taking all these layersoff.
You know peeling the onion, asthey say, taking all these
layers off, you know peeling theonion, as they say.
(20:08):
So it's kind of exciting to see.
And then when you start seeingmore and more people come into
your life whether it's meetingpeople or meeting old friends or
things like that, these littlesynchronicities are miracles
that happen and we see, oh, thatperson came into my life and oh
, now I see the pattern that'sgoing on.
So then you can be mindful, youcan start to journal about it,
(20:31):
you can start to run your energyabout it, you can clear
pictures and traumas andpatterns, and that's where we
get to take that step up.
And then you're at the nextlevel.
So we're here and on this earthschool, in this physical body,
having a spiritual experience.
So that's what Alessandra and Iare here to help you with and
(20:53):
each other.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Yeah, and I've been thinking about that a lot lately
, like because I've been tryingto be a lot more conscious about
, like, what I'm thinking andwhat I'm paying attention to and
where my energy is going, and Ifind that daily, moment by
moment, the universe is sendingme signals about where I'm at.
Like some of them are veryaffirmative, like you're on the
(21:17):
right path, you're doing theright thing, because I'll
receive a book that just is incomplete alignment with
something that I was curiousabout.
Or I'll have a client call ortell me that they had an
experience like an aha,awakening moment.
Or they listened to one of thepodcasts I recorded and heard
exactly what they needed to hear.
(21:37):
And those are all like verypositive, affirming things of
like you're on the right path,you're doing what is lighting
you up and you're getting thatreflection from others that it's
lighting them up and makingthem feel very joyful.
But then the opposite.
I have to honor to that if I gointo my day and it feels like
one thing after another ishappening, I have to take a step
(21:59):
back and be like okay, I haveto take a step back and be like
okay, what is going on within methat is causing a riff and it
doesn't mean like oh, you're badand like this is your fault and
your responsibility.
It's more like okay, where'sthe hiccup?
(22:19):
Like what part needs morenurturing, or needs to be seen
or needs to lie down on thefloor for five minutes, or needs
to be nourished, or needs tolie down on the floor for five
minutes, or needs to benourished, or needs to call a
friend or needs to work.
Through the argument I had withmy husband last night, you know,
like what is going on, what isshowing up that needs some
attention, so that I can startthe day over, even if it's noon.
You know, like, if I see,sometimes it makes me sad for
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people when they feel likebecause their day is off to a
challenging momentum, thatthat's just going to continue
through their day and they don'treally get to restart till the
next day.
But you can restart at anymoment, absolutely, and when you
meditate you're reducing yourresistance.
You're reducing your resistance.
(23:09):
You're kind of letting those,you're letting the momentum
around your thoughts go, andwhen you release that momentum,
you make way for a new momentumto show up or to intentionally
create new momentum.
What I've been really enjoyingdoing lately is meditating and
then having a couple of positiveaffirmations to bring in after
I start meditating, because I'velet the resistance down past.
(23:33):
That correlates with thatpositive affirmation, because
when we remember that, our bodyand our brain lights up as if
it's happening right now.
And then we have the systemthat I'm really excited about.
(23:53):
I talked about it on the lastpodcast.
It's called the RAS ReticularAnalytic System, and what it
does is it looks for things inthe environment.
It filters the environment toprove whatever you're paying
attention to, and so if you'refeeling a lot of anxiety, it's
going to look for things, to beaware of things, to make sure
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that you're avoiding or threatswhere if you're feeling a lot of
joy and appreciation, then it'sgoing to look for more of that
in your environment.
Exactly.
It's going to notice thatperson's smile.
It's going to notice how thislittle kid is running around
having the time of their life,where, if you're stressed, you
might be like, oh my gosh, thiskid is so annoying right now,
right, right, right, yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
So in the spirit world we call that matches.
So what happens is we you knowthe energy that we are that's in
the forefront of our space,basically how we're holding
ourselves we're going to be amagnet for those experiences.
So, like you said, if you'rehaving, if you're very angry,
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then you're going to draw moreof those pictures in, or those
experiences, in those people, inthose situations that are going
to make you angrier.
So those little resets help.
And I wanted to go back to thatbecause you know, I've I've
been doing this for 30 years.
(25:21):
I've been a chiropractor and um, for that long gosh, it sounds
so long, it is long, um.
But you know, I still forget thethings that I need to do.
And what I did one day is Iwrote down the tools that I have
on a sheet of paper, um, sothat I can and I keep it at my
(25:46):
desk and in the office and I canrun through those things.
Did I ground myself?
Did I run my energy?
Did I close my eyes and take afew deep breaths Having those
tools?
Because when you're in thatenergy of chaos, whatever it is,
(26:08):
we forget how to.
That's why I was going to askyou you know what do you do and
how did you get yourself out ofthose, those places where we
spin and we get stuck in thatenergy?
You know, I know that we can.
You can run your energy and andI want to teach you a really
(26:30):
simple tool right now, before wego back.
But remember that question.
I remember it, a really simpletool that I have that helps
people, because I can't rememberwho it was, but somebody was
telling me.
You know, I can't remember whoit was, but somebody was telling
(26:55):
me.
You know, I feel so like afraidor I feel so anxious or I feel
so like unsure.
Changing your energy is amatter of physics.
It's really simple and most ofthe time when we're feeling that
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stuck energy, that place wherewe just can't get out of the
loop, we're lit up in our lowerchakras.
Most of the time it's first,second or third is you want to
physically lift your energy upabove your head, and a good way
to remember that is look at atree.
What does a tree do?
They put their roots down andthey reach up for the sun.
And that's what you do when youphysically lift your energy
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from your lower chakras up tothe upper ones, which are.
Fourth chak is about lovingyourself.
Fifth chakra is aboutcommunicating your truth.
Sixth chakra is about seeingand owning your truth.
And seventh chakra is about allthat is your understanding of
knowing that connection to theuniverse.
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So when you bring your energyphysically, bring your energy up
higher, it shifts.
So try that next time you'refeeling sad or lonely or anxious
or fearful, just try thatsimple tool of lifting your
energy up.
It's a very simple one, but itwill just shift it and then take
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a couple of breaths to take youout of that fight or flight.
There's one that helps resetyour vagus nerve very simply you
take a deep breath and then youtake another little breath on
top of it and you hold it andthen blow it out through your
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mouth.
So that big breath and thenthat little breath to just top
up and then breathe out slowly,that will help reset you from
sympathetic back toparasympathetic.
So stop having that tiger runafter you, stop being always
ready for a fight.
Rest and digest is where we dohealing, where that should be
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our normal way of being.
So I want you to go back andask you how do you manifest
those?
Because it's easy to say, ohyeah, this is what I do, but how
do you get there?
How do you start to shift yourlife in that direction?
Speaker 1 (29:31):
I hear what you're saying and I think there's two
answers, because there's thelonger journey and then there's
the day-to-day Right.
So the longer journey.
For me, writing has been areally big part of that, and
there's a difference betweenwhat I call rant writing, where
it's like dear journal, todayhas sucked.
Everything bad is happening.
Love Alessandra.
(29:52):
You know and you go into detailabout that and it feels good
initially because you're justdumping and you know you're
dumping and releasing some of itbut you're not really doing
anything constructive with it.
And then what I love to do isconstructive journaling and I've
been taught a series of methodsby different practitioners,
coaches, mentors.
(30:14):
I'm anxious and if I'm goingthrough it and that has helped
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in the day-to-day and the longerjourney.
But the longer journey haslooked like getting guidance
from someone who's gone throughhard things that I relate to and
doing what you know, doing whatthey've done and so they've
taught me practices.
So like writing, talking toother people who've been through
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it and hearing that they're onthe other side of it, hearing
what they did to get on theother side of it, and usually
it's like being of service toothers but also being in service
to yourself, cultivatingself-love, really getting in
touch with your own worthiness,and that has to do with
unwinding what I call limitingbeliefs, which are beliefs that
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are keeping you stuck, and theycome from a place like I was
talking about with a clientearlier.
There was this time when I wasa little kid and my family was
getting ready to go toDisneyland in a couple of days,
and then, two days before wewere supposed to leave, my mom
told me we weren't going toDisneyland, that my parents
couldn't afford it and that theyneeded to stay and work.
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And I felt so disappointed thatI promised myself I would never
get my hopes up like that again, because I did not want to feel
this feeling.
And the most important part ofthat statement is, I did not
want to feel that feeling everagain.
And so when good things wouldcome into my life that I could
(32:05):
get excited about, there wouldbe a part of me that felt
reserved, of like we don't knowif this is really going to
happen, so we shouldn't get thatexcited about it.
And I didn't realize till doingsome internal work with
somebody who's asking you, youknow, like, what is this
bringing up for you?
Where do you think this camefrom?
Do you think it's true?
I was able to remember thattime in that situation and see
(32:29):
like, oh, this is what.
This is part of the reason whyI was waiting for the other shoe
to drop all the time.
This is part of the reason whyI wasn't letting myself really
sink in and enjoy the moment,because I was thinking, you know
, if it's too good to be true,I'm probably going to get
disappointed if I get toowrapped up into this.
And I remember believing that inrelationships.
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I remember believing that withlike job opportunities in many
areas of my life and thenconnecting to something greater
than myself and learning to havea relationship with that
greater thing has been such apivotal part of my longer
journey recovering fromalcoholism, recovering from
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losing my mom to cancer,recovering from losing my house
in the 2017 fires like thatconnection, that trust, that
relationship with a higher power, because that helps me remember
I'm not in control and I'm notalone.
And it's a relationship and Istress that word so strongly
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because it's a conversation, adialogue that happens daily and
that it's a building of trust.
I grew up Catholic and I didnot like religion for a very
long time and I knew I wasspiritual and I have like
quotation marks around spiritualfor a long time, cause I was
just like dipping my toe in andout, in and out whenever it felt
(33:57):
fun.
You know, like I'm going to goto this meditation retreat, I'm
going to meditate sometimes, andlike I didn't have a strong
practice until I decided to stopdrinking and really started
focusing on this spiritual pathand the connection with my
higher power.
That relationship has been likea hey, I really need help right
(34:18):
now with this thing.
Show me what to do.
It's that open-ended like showme, I don't know how to handle
this by myself.
Show me support.
And then watching as supportshows up and that's part of that
RAS system too it's liketapping into okay, support,
where can I see support?
And then my brain startsfiltering Okay, look around you.
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In my experience, before thesereally challenging events
happened, I was the mostdepressed, the most in self-pity
, the most anxious, and I hadthe opportunity for support, but
I just couldn't get there.
I couldn't see it because I wasbelieving that life would
always be really hard and I hadto have a spiritual shift, a
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spiritual awakening in which Irelied on something outside of
myself and then was willing torisk the pain my mind told me I
would have if I got close topeople and they disappointed me.
I was willing to try somethingdifferent.
Writing hasn't always been easyfor me or comfortable.
For a long time.
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For several years, it was likethe last thing I wanted to do,
and then I had to be honest withsomebody else and share what
was really going on with me, toreceive that support and receive
that healing.
And that is the lifelongpractice that continues to
happen, that peeling back thelayers of fear, the looking
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within instead of outside ofmyself for validation.
And then what that looks likedaily is having the courage to
put my needs first, becausestill to this day, I will
believe, I don't have enoughtime and I don't have enough
space to do whatever I need todo if I'm stuck in that chaos.
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But at least now I'm able tosay, like is that really true?
Because you're pretty tiredright now.
Like, does everything reallyneed to happen today?
And usually I can kind of havean internal conversation with
myself and be like, well, itwouldn't be the end of the world
(36:30):
if it happened tomorrow.
And even though it's not perfect, letting go of that
perfectionism, it will be okay,and it's best for what I need
right now, Like I wouldn't treatmy best friend this way and
expect my best friend tooverextend herself when she's
completely depleted.
And so why would I expect thatof myself and what I've been
(36:52):
finding?
Because it's that like trialand trust, you know, like try it
out.
I'm not saying go in this blind, but what I've been doing is
I've been, if I feel that way,I've been taking like a whole
day off from online work becauseI had all these online emails,
posts, different things that Ithought I needed to do that day
and saying you know what,everything's going to be better
(37:14):
if I try it when I have moreenergy.
I'm going to just rest today,and sometimes that looks like
binging Netflix for like threehours and taking a nap in the
middle of the day and then thenext day I try again and I try
to fit those things into myschedule with appropriate
expectations and it's workingout Like sometimes I release a
(37:38):
podcast two days later than Iwould have, but it's a much
better podcast.
Speaker 2 (37:43):
Right, who's going to know that it was two days late?
Speaker 1 (37:46):
I know I'm really good at setting these
unattainable expectations ofmyself and then getting upset at
myself for not followingthrough with them, when no one
else has these expectations oris even aware that these rules
are in place.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
Yeah Well, let's talk about perfection, since that
seems to be coming up.
Think that we, especially aswomen, as healers, we put these
expectations of perfection onwho we are and what we do, and
we're not worthy unless we getit done perfectly and right.
(38:22):
And you know, dot the I's andcross the T's, I mean it's the
ultimate, karen, as they say,which I hate to say that, but
those ideas are not conducive totrust.
And you were talking about thatyour primary relationship, we
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call it, with the supreme being,which is the universe, god.
You know, I too was raisedCatholic and thinking God does
not hate me because I'm notperfect.
I know that for sure.
You know I would have to makeup stuff when I was a kid to go
to confession.
I stole a pen off my mom'sdresser, you know, oh good.
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You know, send 10 Hail Marys,oh my God.
You know.
So what the work that we're bothdoing now really helps us let
go of that perfection and trustin divine timing.
We are connected to that, we'reco-creators in that, and that's
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the thing we don't realize.
So running your energy,journaling, with prompts that
are helpful for you to movealong, really help us get to
this place of being.
It sounds kind of silly, butbeing at one with this peace and
this trust so we can draw intoour lives the things that we
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want to create, rather thanhaving to work so hard that
we're completely exhausted.
You know, and I understand,it's different when you have
kids.
I mean, that's a wholedifferent lifestyle and I know
that you know your mom's outthere going, yeah, but you know
what about when the kids arescreaming at me that kind of
thing?
Yeah, I understand those.
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Those are, we are physicalbeings and we do need to take
care of those kids and get themfed right, get them to school,
get them to a soccer practiceand all of that.
Um but um.
You know, we can find the joyin those moments and even in the
breaths where we're at the stopsign and we're remembering who
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we are and remembering that wedo have that fuel of the
universe driving us into thatbeauty which is not perfection,
it's perfection creating withoutthese boundaries and these
(40:54):
limitations on them.
If I am just perfect, thenpeople will love me.
If I make everything lookexactly how it needs to be,
nothing bad will happen.
It's kind of like you holdingback that emotion when you were
a child and I can relate to that.
I never asked for a lot becauseI was the oldest of six and I
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thought, oh, if I ask for more,there's not going to be enough
for everybody else.
And you know, I've got allthese brothers and sisters I'm
supposed to take care of.
And you know, that went reallyquickly because I realized, you
know, I can't fix everything foreverybody and it's hard as a
child and as a caretaker youthink I'm not doing enough, I'm
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not being perfect enough, andwhen you let go of that level of
perfection, you can really justbe present with the creation
and creating on that level oflimitlessness.
But there's a partnership.
You don't feel alone whenyou're connected to the universe
(42:00):
.
You feel like there's a trustthere, there's a grace there and
really resting in that peace.
And that's what journaling,that's what running your energy,
that's what meditation does, ishelping us let go of all of
these limitations that we thinkwe need to be perfect.
We need to create this exactlyin the way that so-and-so said,
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or that your head says that youneed to create, because your
mother and your pastor and yourhusband and your friends said
that you're not perfect unlessyou get the exact right designer
and you're only driving theabsolute best car and you're
only wearing the perfect thingsthat all the celebrities are
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wearing.
The truth lies inside of us andwe are that limitlessness, and
that's the cool thing.
We don't realize that we arejust like nature.
We are just like you know, whenyou're standing at the ocean
and you see the vastness of thewaves and your feet are in the
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sand and the sun is shining downon you and you just feel like
lost in this.
That's who we are.
But on a day-to-day basis, whenwe have to get dinner on the
table and we have to make surewe get up in time to get to work
and we have all this paperworkto do, what I want to remind you
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to do is that we have thesetools and that's what Alessandra
and I are always focused onteaching you these tools, and I
know I've learned these thingsover and over and over again,
but how I remember them is byrepetition.
So you'll hear us say some ofthe same things that we might've
said on another podcast, thatwe might've said in a workshop,
(43:52):
that we might've said one-to-onewhen you came into our offices,
but it's a reminder to rememberwho we are, and that's the joy.
It's going to make me cry,that's the joy of being human,
that's why we're here, that'swhy we're physical bodies having
a spiritual experience.
It's so powerful and it soundsgoofy, but it is goofy and it's
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wonderful.
It's beautiful, it's the bestof everything, and it allows us
to live fuller in our lives,even for just 10 minutes, until
we get into the next thing.
And then we're all stuck againand tired and exhausted, and so
we go and take a nap and then wecome back and we run our energy
and then we set time laterbefore we go to bed to work on
that journal prompt so that wecan do it all over again.
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Because that's what life is ago.
And you know I think about.
You know, I've lost people inmy life before.
But you know, when you loseyour mother, it's so primary,
(45:04):
it's so primal that you reallythink about your life and think
about how you're living yourlife and what does this all mean
?
And exactly that.
You know the things that sheappreciated at the end.
I used to drive her around inthe car because that's all she
could do anymore.
You know, oh, mom, I'm going togo to the store.
Oh, let me go with you, I'll gofor a ride.
So she would, just in themiddle of me driving down the
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street she'd go oh my God, lookat that.
I'm like mom, what she says,that lemon bush is so beautiful.
Or she'd scream the clouds, theclouds.
Oh my goodness, look at theclouds.
She was living in the moment.
She was just realizing thatbeauty that she's a part of.
You are those clouds.
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You are that lemon bush, youare your life, and that's where
the beauty comes in, that'swhere the present time comes in.
Is that grace?
And to me that is the supremebeing, that is God, that love,
that connection that we havewith each other, that beauty in
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the moment, even of the thingsthat somebody else has brought
into their life or into thislife, is a miracle.
Everything you look around andeverything somebody created, you
go oh my gosh, how did they dothat?
You know that's beauty and it'sall around us to remind us.
You know.
So remember those trees.
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When you see the trees, everytime you see a tree now I want
you to think bring your energyup, get grounded, put your roots
down and bring your energy up.
Get grounded, put your rootsdown and bring your energy up.
That one little thing is goingto help you stay connected to
that grace.
I love that.
Yeah, it's a really easyremembrance because you look out
the window, you know, and it'sneurologically it's been proven
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that it will take you out offight or flight.
Speaker 1 (46:57):
When you talk about bringing your energy up, what do
you visualize?
Speaker 2 (47:02):
I visualize.
Well, physically, instead oflooking down, I'll look up and
I'll think about just rising up.
That's what I think about.
I mean, I've been doing thisfor a long time, so I know what
it means.
But for you, just bring yourenergy, your focus, your
(47:23):
attention up, higher, up aboveyour head.
That's what you want to think.
Just like a tree look up at theleaves reaching for the sun.
That's what you do tophysically lift your energy up.
Yeah, it's a really simple oneto remember and a great tool,
(47:44):
and you're going to forget it,and that's okay.
We'll remind you again, yeah.
Speaker 1 (47:49):
Yeah, and I love how you talked about like things
being goofy, like we get sostuck in oh, black and white,
you know, got to get X, y, z,to-do list kind of thing done
Instead of like remembering whatit's like to be curious and be
a kid and have fun and to thinksomething is hilarious or to
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laugh at yourself.
Speaker 2 (48:10):
Yes, so that, funny enough, is the highest spiritual
energy that you can be.
We call it amusement and thatis laughing at ourselves and
realizing this whole thing isgoofy, really.
It's okay.
You don't have to color withinthe lines.
(48:32):
Make it purple, you know.
Make that elephant purple.
Make the giraffe have squaresinstead of spots, it doesn't
matter.
That allows you to be in thatlimitlessness, that playfulness,
and if you do something fun foryourself every day, it helps.
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I mean, put on some music andjust dance like they say.
Dance like nobody's watching,right, sing at the top of your
lungs.
When you're in your car, at astoplight, just make sure your
windows are rolled up or leaveyour windows down, and the other
people will look at you andshake their head and go, wow,
that person's goofy.
And you're, yeah, yeah, I am.
You know.
(49:24):
Be in that place of childlike,watch a kid.
That's why it's so fun to bearound children, when you can
sit there and watch them play,or babies, is because they have
that inherent playfulness and itreally is just about letting go
and allowing yourself to let goof all those limitations, those
, you know, all that shroud weput around us.
It keeps us locked in.
(49:45):
Think of it as a straitjacket,that perfection, that adult.
You know, sometimes we don'twant to be that.
And when you say I don't wantto adult today, you know I hear
my younger friends saying thatthat means you need a little bit
of playfulness in your life.
Go sit on the swings.
That does it for me.
You know.
Sit on the swings.
So yeah, what do you?
Speaker 1 (50:09):
do to get goofy?
Oh, definitely dancing bymyself, yeah, yeah.
And then, like, if I'm on awalk sometimes and listening to
music, I'll start like dancingwhile I'm walking, there you go
and dance is definitely my topfavorite, yeah, and then
listening to comedians helps me,and then just laughing at
(50:29):
myself sometimes, like theseriousness at which I take
things in my life, like beingable to laugh at like oh, we're
so serious about this, right,exactly, yeah.
Speaker 2 (50:40):
Yeah, I caught myself doing that the other day.
So one of the things I do formyself and now that I'm
semi-retired is I'm sewing, andso what I do to get myself out
of that perfection is I talk tomyself and then I just say, ah,
silly girl, that doesn't work,let's do it all over again.
Oh, this is fun, cause I get touse my sea river.
You know, I have these goofyconversations with myself.
(51:02):
Nobody's home, so I can, I cando that, and then I sing, you
know, at the top of my lungscause nobody's home, and uh, and
it's fun, rather than getfrustrated and you know not to
say that I don't get frustrated,but this is a fun thing that I
do to kind of keep myself inthat goofy, fun, creative space.
Speaker 1 (51:19):
Yeah, and for me it's sometimes new things and even
like really little new things,like, for example, I was making
tomato pie last night, which I'mlike obsessed with making
tomato pie.
I'll share the recipe with youlater.
And I had this idea.
I was like I think a Cuisinartcan grade cheese a food
processor.
(51:39):
I never knew that, and so then Ilooked for the attachment and
then, like I had so much fungrading cheese and I was like
this is amazing.
And then I saw you can likeslice vegetables with it too,
and it's like my mind has beenblown.
But like this is like verycommon for me, like, uh, I like
have a little bit of likeattention.
Not, I don't pay attention asclearly as some other people do,
(52:02):
but it's really fun that Idon't, because, like I in my car
, when I got, uh the car that Ihave now, I bought it used and
I'm not somebody who will likeread through the instruction
book.
I'll just like kind of figureit out as I go along, and every
time my husband would get in thecar he would figure out all
these new things my car does andI would be like completely
impressed.
Yeah, and like so many thingshappen daily where, like he'll
(52:25):
be like, yeah, you do it likethis or you do this one thing,
and I will just be like blownaway by like, oh my gosh, the
simple thing that's been in mylife for so long does these
other things and uh, justallowing myself to get like
really excited about thosethings, about the joy and wonder
.
Speaker 2 (52:43):
That's that amusement .
Like a child, you know thatplayfulness, like wow, I learned
something new.
It's so your smile is open.
It's just like.
Speaker 1 (52:54):
I don't think people understand like the fascination
that happens, that like Igenuinely feel on such a deep
level, like when I learnsomething new, and it's so
simple, absolutely, yeah, it'smy favorite, it's my favorite.
Speaker 2 (53:10):
I pray that we all, we all, can find that on a daily
basis.
You know one small thing justto be amused at and be joyful
about, just you know, tocelebrate being alive.
It's those little things, youknow.
Spirituality is not aboutmeditation.
Spirituality is about beingpresent in your life.
I mean, that's what we're herein these bodies to learn is to
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be present and to embrace it all.
You know the darkness and thelight.
The darkness comes so that wecan find the light, and you know
that's that's.
We all feel that from time totime, and you know more so it
seems like daily life is gettingharder and harder for some
people.
But you have to be able to letgo and find that space again
(53:58):
where you can play and be joyful, because then it brings you
back to that possibility thatyou can create your life how you
want it.
You can find joy, you can findthat wonder and that playfulness
that in you know, in simplethings like learning how to
grate cheese with your Cuisinart, saved me so much time.
Speaker 1 (54:20):
Especially since we have this really crappy cheese
grater and for some reason Idon't ever remember to buy a new
one.
That's better, but now that Ifound the Cuisinart like I don't
need to buy it, I had it in myvicinity the whole time, just
like whatever we need to heal isin our vicinity the whole time,
absolutely.
Speaker 2 (54:37):
It's just having the tools.
Speaker 1 (54:39):
Yeah, it's a great tool.
Speaker 2 (54:41):
So you know, that's what we're here to remind you
about.
Speaker 1 (54:44):
Yeah, and what you're saying reminds me of like the
importance of contrast and theimportance of like taking the
time to practice tools so thatyou live your life spiritually
connected.
It's like hopping in and out,like you're hopping into your
toolbox for like five minutes sothat you can live five hours
more committed than like hoppinginto meditation or hopping into
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journaling or having like a onehour coaching session or a one
hour class with you and so thatyou can live three days
connected, so you can live aweek connected.
And so it's not about I lovehow you said that, because it's
not about like living in thetools all the time.
It's about like hopping in andout.
Speaker 2 (55:28):
Right To where you realize oh, this is part of me.
You know, it's like I tell mypatients, my clients.
It's like brushing your teeth.
You're not going to only dothat and you're not only doing
it to prevent cavities.
You want your teeth to be thereso that you can talk correctly,
so you can chew your food.
(55:49):
So you know, your whole bodydepends on your teeth being
healthy.
But your whole body depends onyour spine being healthy because
it supports you and your, yourspiritual, um, body being
healthy.
So because it, it defines you,it, it you create through it, I
(56:10):
mean, it's part of who you areand that's what I'm here to
remind you is that it's notsomething weird or ooey, gooey
or woohoo.
It really is a part of who weare, an important part of who we
are, and the more that you canuse this and bring it into your
life, it just helps life be morefull, be more seamless, you
(56:35):
know, and you can enjoy thatbetter.
So that's a thing you know thatwe can also explore is how do
we, when and how do we run ourenergy?
When and how do we journal,when and how do we meditate?
You know, those are the thingsthat people ask you know, how
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often should I be doing this?
And the way that I like to doit, honestly, is I, when I first
wake up, I'm grateful and I saythank you so much for this
beautiful life and I, whatevercomes to my consciousness,
instead of like you know,because sometimes you wake up
and you go, oh, I have to get up.
Of.
(57:16):
Like you know, cause sometimesyou wake up and you go, oh, I
have to get up I turn thataround and say thank you for
another day, you know, beinggrateful that I'm here.
And then I hear the birds and Isay thank you so much for these
beautiful birds and the songthat they sing to bring me joy,
you know so, and sometimes it'snothing more than thank you for
my bed, because I don't want toget out of my bed.
Thank you for my bed.
I'm so grateful that I have abed and a wonderful home and you
(57:38):
know I'm safe and happy.
So I start there and then I runmy energy.
Alessandra and I had thischallenge one time where we just
said, okay, we're going to runour energy every morning and we
would just run it in bed or situp and run it.
You know, get to sit in thechair and then run your energy,
so making those those thingswhere you, those places where
(58:02):
you know you're going to be.
So I run my energy for 10minutes at least, sometimes 20,
in the morning, and then I'llusually do it at lunch when I
have a break, and then I'll doit again in the evening when I'm
sitting on my bed before I laydown, so that you have a few
minutes and you know, start witha few minutes, two minutes to
start with, Set a timer and doit for two minutes of those
(58:24):
three times of the day and thenget up to where you can run it.
You know longer and longer.
And then the other thing I tellpeople is do it when you're in
the restroom, because we allhave to do that, our bodies
demand that we use the restroom.
So when you're in there, takeanother extra minute After
(58:47):
you're done and zipped up andeverything, take another extra
minute to run your energy, oreven just a few moments, because
then you'll find more and morethat you're finding these spaces
and it's like you.
You crave these moments whereyou can do that.
And you know when I like if Ihad a light, and I know this
light's going to be really long.
(59:08):
I'll close my eyes for a fewseconds and just check on my
grounding cord or blow someroses, and you know.
So.
Create to create these spaceswhere you can find your space
more and more, because it reallyhelps you when you do.
It's like being able to take alittle nap in the middle of the
day.
You know if you have an extrahalf hour, 20 minutes or
whatever.
(59:28):
So that's how, that's how I doit, and I also tell people when
you're first learning, putstickies everywhere and then
change those stickies.
You know, put one in yourbathroom, put one on your
refrigerator, put one on yourdashboard.
You know, put one at your deskon your computer, and you mean
post-it notes.
Yes, sticky, that's what I callstickies.
(59:49):
Yeah, sticky notes.
Speaker 1 (59:50):
Yeah, just in case anybody's like what are stick,
come on, that's a great nameyeah I love it now we can all
call them stickies.
That's great, absolutely yeahand I think this is a great
segue into an exciting offerthat you and I have.
October 5th, which is asaturday from one to four, dr
(01:00:13):
Debbie and I are hosting AwakenRetreat, and the theme of this
Awaken Retreat is going to berest, restore and rejuvenate.
And we have Jodi Shieldsjoining us as well.
She's a yoga teacher and amassage therapist, and the day
is going to unfold with aopening and then a workshop by
(01:00:38):
yours truly, and then JodiShields is going to take us
through a yoga practice and then, dr Debbie, you're going to
share some psychic tools with us.
Speaker 2 (01:00:47):
Yeah, yeah, I'm excited for this one because
we're all in this place where wecan truly use this mini retreat
.
It's a good time because, as wewere talking about you know,
it's the beginning of fall, ofautumn, where we're kind of
gathering up all our nourishment, our little nuts and you know,
(01:01:10):
to store away for the winter,where we're going to do a lot of
inner work, and so it's aperfect time to regain all of
that nourishment that we need inour physical bodies and in our
spirit to get through this deepmeditation time during winter.
(01:01:32):
So I'm excited for this andlooking forward to sharing this
with you all.
Speaker 1 (01:01:39):
Yeah, and it's going to be at my office downtown, and
Jodi's yoga practice duringthis retreat is going to be very
restorative, focused, and sowill the workshop that I'm
leading, and winter is the timeto go within and to let things
percolate and to give yourselftime to rest, and so this is
(01:02:00):
like the perfect launch for thiskind of a retreat, and we'll
have yummy snacks and you'llleave this retreat feeling
connected to yourself, calm andlike you have some tools that
you can practice daily that arereally going to make a big
difference in your life.
Yeah, and you're going to feelmore connected to yourself.
(01:02:20):
You're going to feel connectedto others that you met at that
retreat, because the rightpeople always seem to be
attracted.
Speaker 2 (01:02:27):
They always do, and I love how they forge these
relationships.
Speaker 1 (01:02:30):
Yeah, yeah, it's nice .
And then you're going to feelconnected to source, you're
going to feel connected to theuniverse, and when you find that
connection, when you find thatclarity, everything else becomes
so much easier and we will havea follow-up too right?
Speaker 2 (01:02:45):
Yes, Included.
Speaker 1 (01:02:46):
Yes, we will include a follow-up called an energy
check session, right be 30minutes a week after the retreat
, in which Dr Debbie and I aregoing to check in with you and
see if you have any questions,if anything in particular has
come up, and to check the energyof the group on a spiritual
(01:03:07):
level.
Speaker 2 (01:03:08):
Yeah.
So it's great to bring us backinto the present.
Whenever you make changesspiritually, your physical body
needs to catch up.
So that's what the energy checkis about is about bringing us
back into the present andallowing us to kind of validate
all the big shifts that we'regoing to make through the
(01:03:28):
retreat that we're doing.
And last time, whoa, I can tellyou, so many of you made huge
shifts in their lives and we sawthat massive growth and
awareness for people coming intothemselves after that retreat.
It was really really amazingand absolutely more than we ever
(01:03:51):
expected.
So we're excited to do thisagain and hope that you can join
us for that.
Speaker 1 (01:03:58):
Yeah, and so again, it'll be on Saturday, october
5th.
You can find a link to sign upin the show notes.
You'll be able to find a linkat mrshardcom.
You'll also be able to find alink in my bio on Instagram at
mrshard.
Underscore times no more.
And where can people find?
Speaker 2 (01:04:18):
you, dr Debbie, so people can find me at my website
is drdvsdccom.
That's drdvsdccom and I'm onInstagram at oh gosh, I forgot
my handle, but we'll put it in.
There's a Dr Debbie one andthere's a Debbie Victoria
(01:04:41):
Clairvoyant, and then I have apersonal one, debbie Victoria
Seal, as well.
Speaker 1 (01:04:48):
Yeah, and this retreat is also going to have a
limit of eight people who canjoin, eight spots available, so
you'll really want to jump ongetting into this retreat,
absolutely, and we'll have itopen and registration will be
available by the time that thispodcast launches.
All right, thank you so much,dr Debbie, for sharing so much
(01:05:10):
with us today.
Speaker 2 (01:05:12):
It's always so fun.
It's just amazing how thingsunfold with us and all of you.
I'm just really grateful tohave you here with us.
I can hear you all and see youall in your gratitude and in
your grace.
Keep up the good work and knowthat you're doing it exactly how
(01:05:33):
you need to.
So be easy on yourself and loveyourself as we love you.
Take care, all right, thank you, bye, bye.
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