July 10, 2024 • 56 mins
I’m super excited to have my good friend, business collaborator, and photographer, Lisa Fonville, on the show today.
Lisa is much more than just a photographer and branding expert—she creates soulful art through deep connections with her clients. Her ability to capture their true essence comes from the journey she undertakes with them before they even step in front of the camera.
In this episode, we talk about:
- What Lisa, as a branding expert, sees women struggling with the most when it comes to self-promotion.
-The secret to keeping your creative fire burning bright while creating a healthier work-life balance.
- Reducing work-related stress, self-doubt, and imposter syndrome, while reminding you that all entrepreneurs feel these feelings, no matter how successful they may appear.
AND SO MUCH MORE!!!
This conversation is especially important for caregivers and female entrepreneurs because having a business is like being in a relationship. If you tend to struggle with boundaries when caring for others, maintaining a healthy relationship with your business can be challenging.
During this conversation we chat about practical tips you can use to nurture your relationship with your biz so that you experience more of the joy and freedom you signed up for when your business was just a dream.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hi, I'm Alessandra Tolome Hard, aka Mrs Hard, and
this is Hard Times no More, apodcast for people who are tired
of struggling with boundaries,people-pleasing and relationship
problems.
I have overcome some hard times.
Within three years, I stoppeddrinking, my mom died of cancer
and my house burnt down in aCalifornia wildfire, and those
(00:22):
are just the highlights.
I have a lot of reasons to bemiserable, but I'm not.
The truth is, life was morechallenging before these events
happened.
If you are tired of waiting foryour circumstances to change to
find happiness and peace ofmind, you are in the right place
.
Join me as I share the tools Iuse in love to transform
(00:43):
challenges into assets andinterview others about their
relationship journeys.
Together, let's learn how tohave a happy life full of
healthy, meaningfulrelationships and say goodbye to
hard times for good.
Hey everyone, welcome to theHard Times no More Relationship
(01:05):
Podcast.
I'm Alessandra Tolomehard, akaMrs Hard, your host Today.
I'm super excited to have myreally good friend, business
collaborator and photographer,lisa Fonville, with me on the
show today.
Lisa, the owner of HemlockHouse Inc.
Is more than just aphotographer and branding expert
(01:26):
.
She creates soulful art that isonly possible because of the
deep connections she forms withher clients and the journey she
undertakes with them before theyeven step in front of the
camera.
Trust me from personalexperience, she is incredible
and she makes you feel socomfortable in front of the
camera.
And Lisa is an old soul.
(01:48):
She brings people togetherthrough photography, business
branding and spiritual retreats.
In this episode, we're going totalk about embracing the ebbs
and flows in business, somethingher and I are both very
familiar with as entrepreneursand business owners.
We're going to talk aboutunderstanding and accepting the
(02:09):
various seasons of life in yourbusiness the slow times, when it
feels like you're not makingenough money and you're
concerned about what you'regoing to do in the future to
keep your business afloat.
And then the busy times whereyou are running around like a
chicken with your head cut offand you wish you had more time.
We're going to talk aboutreducing work-related anxiety
(02:31):
and creating a healthierwork-life balance, which, as you
know, is a journey and aprocess in itself, and it's
vital for caregivers and femaleentrepreneurs.
We also have a super excitingannouncement we are hosting an
upcoming event called EmpowerHer High Tee Embrace your Worth
(02:53):
and Cultivate Confidence.
This workshop will be on July21st from 3 to 5 pm in downtown
Napa.
This special event is designedfor women entrepreneurs,
business owners and thosecontemplating starting a
business.
We're going to be focusing onreleasing business anxiety.
We're going to talk about whatto do when your business is slow
(03:16):
, when you feel like peoplearen't spending money and the
financial struggle you'refeeling is real.
There are some core underlyingissues that are limiting you and
blocking you from finding peacein those seasons that are slow,
and these real core issues arekeeping you from embracing your
worth and feeling confident inyour business.
(03:37):
So we're going to dive intothat together at Empower Her
High Tea.
And this isn't just a workshop.
It's also a tea ceremony, andthe tea ceremony portion is
hosted by Sakan Neck, and she isalso a photographer, she's also
an entrepreneur and she createsa very soulful tea ceremony
(04:00):
experience that we are soexcited to share with you.
And you're going to receive somany benefits from joining us at
Empower Her High Tea, includingcreating community support.
You're going to be able to meetother women just like you who
are going through similarchallenges and have similar
goals.
This workshop is going to beconfidence building.
(04:21):
You're going to learn tools andtechniques to boost your
self-worth and confidence, andbonus attendees will receive
$100 off the upcoming Poppy andQuill Retreat on August 23rd and
24th, and you'll get afollow-up free 30-minute
coaching session with me, yourstruly, mrs Hard.
(04:43):
So join us for an afternoon ofinspiration, connection and
empowerment.
For more details and toregister, visit the link in the
show notes or you can find it onmy website, mrshardcom.
Now, without further ado, let'sdive into this week's episode
the Art of Balanced Living forbusiness babes.
(05:04):
With Lisa Vaughnville, let'stalk about how we met.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Okay, we met in 2017.
The reason that I remember theexact year is because that's the
year I did my first destinationwedding in Mexico and it was so
awesome.
But like a month before, Icouldn't even lift my camera.
(05:30):
Something was wrong with myarms.
I had like either tennis elbowor golfer's elbow, or if you've
ever had either of those, itsucks.
And I was freaking out becauseI wasn't going to be able to
edit this wedding.
And then my sister-in-law toldme that she had this incredible
(05:55):
new renter on her property andshe had gotten a massage from
you.
And she was like, oh my God,lisa, you have to go, you have
to try her.
And I was like, all right andright.
And then you, I did, and thenyou fixed my arms and every once
in a while, I feel that paincome back and and I mean, I see
you frequently, um, but youalways fix it you're like an
(06:18):
angel.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
Subscapular work is one of my most favorite
techniques digging into people'sarmpits because because you
like to hurt people.
No, I don't like to hurt people.
I love the relief that theyfeel afterwards it's amazing.
It's like night and day it wasand it's something no one ever
thinks yeah, and it's somethingthat no one ever thinks about
(06:44):
that like that is actually theroot cause of a lot of shoulder
discomfort in the armpit and ifyou hit the right spots that, it
like releases the pec muscleswhich get tight from like
forward head movement or forwardhead posture and like rounded
shoulders.
There's this like whole cascadeof events and I think my
favorite thing in massagetherapy and in like wellness
(07:07):
coaching is getting to like theroot or like the true symptom,
the cause of the problem that iscausing all of these other
symptoms.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
you're very good at that, because every time I
mention anything you're like youpose this about and it always
leads us to the root and it'slike so good, I'm like okay, and
now I know like what questionsyou're going to ask me, because
I've worked with you enough thatit actually I ask myself the
(07:41):
same questions, which is such abenefit for like coaching and
these workshops that you do,because I find myself asking
myself these questions before Iknow that I'm going to see you.
Not like homework or anything,but it's like built in, it's
like this natural practice now,and so I can pinpoint the source
(08:02):
of anxiety or fear much quickerthan I used to be able to do.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Oh, and that lights up my soul, like, especially as
a coach, because you don't wantto be the person that, like the
person, has to have to fix theirproblems.
Like, my dream is for thepeople I work with to feel
empowered so that they can findtheir own solutions from within
them.
Feel empowered so that they canfind their own solutions from
within them.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Well then, what you're doing is working.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
That's so awesome.
I love hearing that.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Thank you, my little knowledgeable angel.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
Aw.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Yeah, but I can't fix my subscap stuff, my scapular.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
Is it sub Scap, subscapular muscle, scapular?
You have to do that for mestill Is that cool, that's great
.
I love working on yoursubscapular muscle.
Are we flirting?
We might be.
Oh my God, don't let my husbandlisten.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Oh gosh.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
So let's let's talk about your business.
What has been lighting yourfire lately?
Speaker 2 (09:11):
oh, that's such a hardcore question because I feel
, uh, really tired right now andI know a lot of people that
I've talked to are feeling thesame way and I'm sure it's just
a combination of, you know, oureconomy and pricing and stress
(09:35):
and time and um, it's just, itfeels a little draining.
Um, it's just it feels a littledraining, but my clients always
light me right back up.
It's amazing to have a job oran occupation that I think about
(10:04):
this all the time and I'm sograteful that truly like pulls
me out of a funk which, like whocan say that?
That's amazing.
So when I'm at my lowest andI'm kind of not feeling super
inspired, as soon as I'm withclients and I have a camera in
my hand, everything's great.
So I just have to trust that itcome.
(10:24):
I used to do a lot of collagework when I was painting back in
the day and then I used to justkeep these little gems from
magazines and articles that Iwould cut out and I kept them
all in this box and I found itthe other day and it was really
interesting to to like connectwith my former self and see,
(10:49):
like what I was connecting withthen and how it's either still
applies now or it feels so faraway.
It was just a very interestinglittle journey, but that is
something that I've beenpracticing this year is going
over past work when you'refeeling in a little rut, and
(11:09):
that's been really, reallyhelpful.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
What parts of that have been helpful, because I
know for me, when I go over pastwork or like old ideas or old
projects that I had in the past,I can see how much I've grown
since then and that can bereally inspiring, because
sometimes I feel a littlestagnant, like I'm not growing.
What is it for you that?
Speaker 2 (11:31):
It's definitely that.
But it's also kind of there'sthis period of time I don't know
when it was, but I felt like Iwas just on fire.
And I actually look at it nowand I feel like my work has
gotten way worse.
(11:51):
I was talking to a friend theother day and she's like, um,
you're crazy.
And I'm like but I look at thispast stuff and I'm like, oh my
gosh, look at these ideas I washaving like this is so cool and
like I did that, that's awesome.
Um, so it's just kind ofreaffirming that, like that is
within me and I just like gottadig a little to find it.
(12:18):
But it's also just age slowingdown, tired.
My oldest just graduated fromhigh school.
That was like wild.
I'm finally recovering fromlike two weeks of massive
amounts of social activity.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
Yeah last time we were hanging out we were talking
about seasons in business andlearning to be confident when
your business has seasons.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
And embracing the lull.
Yes, I keep saying that overand over.
Since we've talked, I've usedthat exact phrasing like seven
times with seven differentpeople that have been reaching
out.
Like a little discouraged, I'mlike no man Embrace it.
Yeah, I don't say it creepy,like a little discouraged, I'm
like no man embrace it.
Yeah, I don't say it creepylike that, though it's pretty
(13:08):
creepy.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
I feel like those lulls show up for us to rest and
recover, but we're so used togoing, going, going and
believing that that's what weneed to do all the time to be
productive, to be successful, tobe making money to.
You know, whatever the thing iswhere it's actually the time to
hibernate, even if it is likespring or summer, and go within
(13:32):
so that you can recharge andthen come out with new ideas,
new stuff, because you can'tpull from a well that's dry, you
can't pull from a well that'sdry.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Yeah, that's what I'm just keep practicing, and every
time I embrace the law it getseasier and easier to do until it
becomes kind of a a habit oflike not freaking out.
Cause, as a business owner,I've been seeing all these memes
or these videos, you know, thatpop up on Instagram.
(14:05):
There's like it's talking abouttwo, the two phases of a
business owner, and it's one ofthe videos is like Ron Swanson
from Parks and Rec, just likefreaking out.
And the other one is likebecause you're so busy and
overwhelmed.
And then the other one is likefreaking out because like the
(14:26):
well is dry and you have nothinggoing on.
So my goal is to live in themiddle of those.
You know, kind of the little upand downer.
I was actually out to dinner onWednesday with a friend.
I love her, her name's Cece.
She's from Sweden.
Like she said, wednesdays arelike the mini weekend in Sweden.
(14:51):
She had another word for it andthen it's just like known that
like people get off early onWednesdays, they like take a
break, they chill out, and I'mlike I don't know why we can't
do that as like a society, andon one hand, on one hand, it's
(15:11):
very interesting havingteenagers and young people
entering the work world rightnow and, you know, feeling
pretty entitled.
You know feeling pretty entitled, even though we've raised them
to not be that way, but you know, and expecting certain pay
(15:34):
levels when we're like, dude,our first job was like $3 an
hour.
Like, come on, you'recomplaining about 20?
Like you're 16.
Like it's crazy to me, 16, likeit's crazy to me.
But on one hand, thatgeneration is also like not
glorifying the hustle and theyare.
There is this whole generationthat's focusing more on mental
(15:54):
health and physical health andphysical well-being, which leads
to mental well-being.
Overall, I do think thatgeneration is going to be
happier in a sense.
Um, and it's just balancing thatwith you know, what we grew up
thinking you work really hardand then you die.
(16:15):
So there's, there's gotta be,there's gotta be something in
the middle.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
Yeah, I was talking with a client this morning
actually, and we were talkingabout how there's like all these
and thens, like she went tocollege and then she got her PhD
, and then she opened up herbusiness and then she saved
enough money for retirement, andthen, and now she's like what
(16:44):
am I supposed to do?
now, there's no more and thenyeah, then you do whatever you
want, which is awesome butreally hard to embrace if you've
always had a goal, and a lot ofus fall prey to the idea that
comes from our mind and from ourculture that, like, once we do
these things, then we will behappy, then we will be satisfied
(17:05):
, then we will be stable, thenwe will be secure.
But what about the now?
Like there is a way and Iexperienced this that you can
experience joy now, you canexperience peace of mind now,
you can experience happiness now.
It doesn't have to be the andthen and then.
Sometimes, when you talk aboutthat, people get into like black
(17:26):
and white thinking where theythink but if I do that and I do
what I want right now, likenothing's going to get done,
like it's either all I have tokeep on chasing or nothing, or
like I completely stopeverything instead of like
learning to infuse joy into theprocess and fall in love with
(17:47):
the process instead of the endresult and doing what you need
to do in the moment to createbalance, or in the day to create
balance.
Like I've been a big fan ofmini naps lately, me too, and it
makes such a big difference,but it took me so long to be
able to give myself permissionto do that and have it not be.
(18:10):
No, I have all these things todo.
Like once I do all these things, then I can rest.
It's like actually I'm dragging.
I don't feel great.
If I just lie down for 10minutes or 15 minutes and then
do the things I need to do, I'mgoing to feel so much better and
we feel so much less stress andI've been like lying down and
(18:31):
just focusing on like releasingresistance and I've been really
playing with the feeling ofresistance.
It's like this force feelingthat I feel in my body and that
force feeling has been tied tomy anxiety for so long and I've
been working with a therapist tolike identify that like very
specific feeling, that driving,running, exhausted, depleted
(18:52):
part of myself, and I've beenlearning that like what soothes
that part for me is like lettinggo of that forcing feeling and
I have to like lie down to do itand I don't have to lie down
very long, which is the reallycool part.
I can like reset within likefive or 10 minutes or like 15
minutes, and so it doesn't haveto like take up my whole day,
(19:13):
but it like allows my nervoussystem to let go so that I can
then do things, but with like adifferent momentum behind them,
like a different energy.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
I think your resistance and my resistance
probably hang out often, but no,every single thing you just
said I resonated with in a veryreal way, like every single
thing you said.
So, yes, even the resistance,resistance, feeling the whole
all or nothing.
(19:45):
Um, I'm still in the process oflike giving myself permission
to do that.
I feel like I'm going a littlebit overboard and giving myself
too much permission to like napnow, but, um, my body needs it,
my body's tired, so I'm reallyfocusing on that.
(20:07):
But, yeah, it's this, for areally long time, I mean, I
couldn't even create and thiswas, I mean, years and years and
years.
I would have, like I used topaint a lot.
I've really been thinking aboutgetting back into painting and
and bringing some of thatfluidity and flow back into my
creative practice.
(20:27):
I think it would be reallyhelpful and just healing.
But I would have it set up inthis corner of my house and
unless I had done every otherthing done the dishes, vacuumed
the house, cleaned the room,like everything was done then I
(20:48):
would give myself permission toactually go paint and create.
Therefore, I never actually didit.
I mean, I maybe painted in thatspace like three times.
Did you ever flip flop it whereyou painted and then did the
things?
No, but I would do that nowthat I have learned a lot about
(21:09):
myself and that for reallyhighly creative people, creating
is like the life force, likethat's what's going to give me
energy to like do everythingelse in life.
Yeah, so now I get that, but atthe time I would feel guilty or
(21:31):
I would feel like I hadn'tdeserved that that time for
myself and, um, that's just sad.
I don't want anybody to feellike that.
If you were feeling like that,let's talk, yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
Yeah, but it, our brain, tells us that that's the
way we need to do it, becauseit's like frivolous or a waste
of time, or it's like a treat ora luxury to do that.
Where it's really backwardsbecause, like when we take time
to do those things and itdoesn't mean we have to take an
entire day to paint, like we cantake like 20 minutes or an hour
(22:08):
or like a chunk of time, likeonce you fuel that part of your
soul, everything else flows, soyou get all of your stuff done
faster, rather than like tryingto like squeeze juice out of a
like sun-dried lemon it's sointeresting that it takes so
(22:29):
much work and so long to to likefigure out these things that it
feels like they should be sosimple.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
I think it's like we just make things harder in our
mind than they need to be and weput responsibility ahead of joy
.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
I wonder why we all suffer from such anxiety.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
And the root is fear, fear of instability because of,
you know, bad childhoods orfinancial insecurity that
happened in the past or badexperiences in the past.
And our brain is actuallytrying to help us by keeping us
on the go instead of doingsomething creative or nurturing
(23:24):
ourselves, because it made anagreement somewhere along the
line that, like doing the thingand pushing hard and forcing is
what's going to equal successand praise and achievement, not
nourishing yourself first andthen like moving from a place of
(23:47):
fulfillment.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
Well, I think that then poses the next big question
is what does success mean toyou and to your, to everybody,
if you have a business, ifyou're starting starting a
business, like if you've neversat down and written down what
that means, like that can be initself such an eye-opening
(24:12):
practice.
Like success for me means time,like time to go hang out in my
garden and be with my family andcome record a podcast with
Alessandra when I want to orwhen she asks me, which I love
doing, and, um, just you know,if I want to go have lunch with
(24:36):
a friend, like we can go, dothat.
And to make my own schedule andto create every day like, oh my
God, um.
And to connect with people.
I mean when I really sit andactually I needed this today, so
thank you, um when I really sitdown and I look at what I've
defined success for myself andin my business, for I'm already
(24:59):
very successful and that'sawesome.
That's awesome.
Go me, go you.
I would like to make like abillion dollars.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
Let's get real, really, really easily.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
So if we could manifest that, that would be
great.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
Yeah, but even the billion dollars okay, like let's
say that's your goal.
What is that really?
It's a feeling of freedom.
It's a feeling of stability,it's a feeling of nothing being
impossible or out of your leaguefinancially, like.
(25:44):
It's a feeling that, like,people want to achieve by
becoming a billionaire.
You're right, and so this isbackwards and maybe people won't
want to hear it, but I don't, Idon't know.
But what I've been working onlately is like why don't I just
have that feeling now, like whydon't I work in the morning,
(26:06):
during my morning routine, andthrough the day when I'm
releasing resistance?
What I'm working on is likeaccessing those feelings Now,
the feeling of freedom that Ihave in my life right now, the
feeling of joy I have, thefeeling of stability, the
feeling of security and focusingon what I do have instead of
what is lacking.
And it's such a simple practiceand it doesn't mean that then I
(26:28):
don't try to go make money ordon't try to grow my business,
but it comes from like a placeof joy and fun and let's see if
this works, you know.
Or like, let's see if we canhelp people in this way, or
let's see if we can connect withpeople in this way, rather than
that forcing feeling of likelack that I think that you know
(26:49):
the universe's law of attractionlike what you're putting out,
you're receiving, and so likewhat if you just have the
feeling?
And then if the billion dollarscomes, great Might be a little
too floaty.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
It's not that floaty, it's like dressing for the job
you want.
Yeah, you know, it's thatsimilar.
Like you know, I saw somethingonline that hit me in the gut
and it was just the whole.
Whatever you're not changing,you're choosing.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
Yes, oh, my God, I love that and I was like oh, so
I'm choosing to be like.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
And then it kind of went down the list of these
things I'm choosing and I waslike oh my God, I just.
It hit me really hard and I wasthinking about it when you were
talking about the billionairething.
I'm going to start living likeI'm a billionaire too.
You want to go to Irelandtomorrow?
(27:49):
Let's chase that joy.
No I understand what you'resaying perfectly and I think so
much of it is mindset andchanging.
That doesn't come overnight.
No, it's a practice.
It's such a practice and it's alot.
(28:09):
It's a long one and I knoweverybody talks about their
healing journey and it makes funof everybody for talking about
their healing journey.
But I don't care who you are.
If you're like trying to bebetter for you, for your, for
your kids, for your, it shouldbe for you and for future
generations.
(28:29):
You are on a healing journeyand this is part of it and
pinpointing like where thesethings started and it's.
It's brave to do all of thatand it's really hard sometimes.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
Yeah, I think.
I think we beat ourselves uptoo much.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
I think we do too.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
I think our lives work in like, I imagine like
circles, like cycles, instead ofa linear thing.
Like so often, we want to justlike check that box, tuck
whatever we were dealing withlike neatly away and be like
okay, I've dealt with that, it'snever going to bother me again.
But things happen in seasonsand they come back in cycles and
(29:09):
when they come back, we have anew opportunity to interact with
it differently, because we'velearned things from it the last
time it came around, from it thelast time it came around, or if
it continues to show up in ourlives, it's continuing.
It's the universe's way of likecontinuing to nudge us of like
hey, this is something you needto look at.
(29:31):
And what I love is like when oneproblem is focused on, it
creates a ripple effect in therest of your life, and so it's
not like we have to fix all ofthe problems.
We can just like pay attentionto whatever is loudest and then
we can work on that one thing.
And if we really set aside timeto understand it, accept it,
(29:54):
make peace with it and find someserenity around it, then those
same tools, whatever we learnedfrom that experience, can be
applied to multiple differentareas.
For example, like myrelationship with my father was
like really bad for a couple ofyears there, like really bad,
but he taught me a lot aboutboundaries by working on that
(30:14):
relationship with him and thenthose boundaries trickled into
my business.
I have really good boundarieswith clients when I answer texts
and respond in emails Like Idon't have to immediately
respond, especially if it's aday off.
I have better boundaries arounddays off.
I have better boundaries aroundmy expectations of other people
(30:36):
personally and professionally,and that all came from working
on my relationship with my dad,because that was affecting all
these different areas of my life.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
And I've been lucky enough to witness that and like
be a part of your life duringthat process.
But just hearing you talk aboutthat relationship now versus a
few years ago and like but justhearing you talk about that
relationship now versus a fewyears ago and like it's just I
don't know.
It's really beautiful and I'msure your relationship with him
(31:13):
is so much better now because ofit and that's important.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
Good job.
Thanks friend.
Thanks friend, you're welcome.
Thanks friend, thanks friend,you're welcome.
So let's talk a little bitabout branding.
What do you?
Speaker 2 (31:34):
see women struggling with the most when it comes to
branding, being seen really, orallowing themselves to be seen.
I think that's the very firstthing and I think a lot of that
is generational, and this ideathat you know, we're not meant
to be seen, we're not meant totake up space and like who am I?
(31:56):
To like schedule a photosession for myself and like, let
people know, like here I am andhere's what I do, and get to
know me like it's.
It's, it's a matter of um,feeling worthy and allowing
yourself to be seen, which thenyou know, is like.
(32:17):
I find that that's like thecornerstone and I've worked with
a lot of women that once we'vedone that part and I've worked
with a lot of women that oncewe've done that part and there
slowly becomes this more comfortlevel and it's just mind
blowing what happens.
(32:48):
But I think there's this intensefear of being seen because
either fear of rejection or notbeing good enough.
But that's what I see womenstruggling with the most as far
as branding goes.
You know it's pretty fluidafter that To conquer that or
(33:12):
not conquer it, but to workthrough that feeling and give
yourself permission to like, dothese things.
I mean that's not like a weeklong process either.
That's years, which is actuallywhy you know we've worked with
some of the same clientscoaching and branding and it's
why your what you do is soimportant to feed what I do, and
(33:36):
vice versa.
I think, and um, in order toreally feel comfortable allowing
yourself to be seen, you haveto do some of this, some of the
stuff, that that you provide andthat, the help that, and then,
once people get there, it's justamazing what happens.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
Yeah, you're just like wow it's.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
It's like watching I don't know the only thing I can
really think of is likebutterflies which I'm not a huge
butterfly person, but you knowthe whole art of transformation
and really there's something.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
There's something about that and it's really
amazing to watch and it makes mecry every time to watch women
step into their power like thatwatch women step into their
power like that, yeah, and Ifeel like being an entrepreneur
or being a business owner,owning your own business, is
going to challenge everythingthat you have going on within.
(34:37):
That makes you feel like you'rean imposter or not good enough
for comparing yourself to others, Like that's what your business
will do.
And if you're listening andyou're a business owner, you
probably really need to preparefor this.
But also you need to know thatyou're not the only one that
feels this way, that everysingle person you see out there
(35:00):
showing their face on theirwebsite on Instagram during
workshops, whatever, showingtheir face on their website on
Instagram during workshops,whatever they have all felt this
and are most likely feeling itstill Agreed, and it doesn't
mean that like it has to totallygo away for you to make peace
(35:24):
with it.
But I love what you offer peoplebecause you are so excited
during photo shoots with peopleand you're so creative when
you're helping others withbranding and you're able to
(35:51):
really get to their essencethrough your photography and the
way that you work with them andhelp them light up and see
themselves, and I know thateveryone I've talked to who's
ever looked at their photos thatthey've received from you is
just like oh my God, this is soamazing.
I feel so beautiful, I feel soseen and I feel so honored, and
they also feel so authenticallyconnected to themselves.
Like you take photographs ofpeople in a way that really
brings out their like authenticbeauty.
It's not like a posed, likelike perfectly primmed, like
(36:13):
kind of thing.
It's really capturing theiressence, which is more beautiful
than perfection.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
Thank you, and that's not something that just like
happens.
By the way, if you are aphotographer and you're
listening and you're like new onthe scene or whatever, I don't
just show up and like connectwith people like this.
I mean, I connect with peopleeasily, but the reason that this
(36:43):
that a lot of these aresuccessful and the way you're
describing is because we'vespent significant time talking
and talking about what theirgoal for their business is, how
they wish to be seen, who theirideal client is.
I mean so many questions thatthey have never even asked
(37:05):
themselves, and that shapes theway that I photograph them and
the whole session.
And so it's really important toreally get to know your clients
in that way and what they'retrying to achieve and what the
(37:27):
message that they want to speakand and share, um, otherwise
you're not gonna you're notgonna get that authentic joy and
what you're describing, um, soit's just a matter of connecting
with people prior.
You know, people want to beseen, they want to be heard,
(37:51):
they want to feel like you'veheard them, they want to know
that you've heard them and theywant communication and follow
through and those are, likemoving on to like other parts of
business.
The reason that I have clientsthat keep coming back and you
have clients that keep comingback year after year is because
(38:12):
I connect with my clients and Ifollow through and I communicate
, and there's just so manyincredible artists and people
that create these photographsall over the our valley and all
over the world and, um, a lot ofpeople can do that.
Um, but it's like what MayaAngelou said people are going to
(38:32):
remember how you make them feelyeah, yeah and I think that's.
I just think about that quoteall the time.
Speaker 1 (38:45):
Yeah, in talking about empowering women, we've
created a special event thatwe're going to throw on July
21st from 3 to 5 PM.
It's called empower her hightea and it's for women
entrepreneurs or women who arethinking about starting a
(39:06):
business, when we're going todive into the art of embracing
your worth and cultivatingconfidence.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
So Sakon Neck is a photographer in Napa.
I met her.
She came to our very firstPoppy and Quill retreat and
neither Kelly or I knew her andwe're like, who is this person?
This is awesome.
And she instantly became one ofmy favorite humans ever.
(39:33):
Like I laugh so hard with this.
She is incredible, um, but shehas a little tea house also in
Napa.
She does so many very coolthings and does a lot of cooking
to honor ancestors and like shejust does some very cool things
(39:54):
.
And she will be hosting a teaceremony at the beginning of
this event and I'm so excitedabout it, one I just really want
you to meet her.
I want everyone to meet her.
I want everyone to meet you.
But she said the tea ceremonypart will last probably 45
minutes and then we'll we'lldive into the kind of getting to
(40:18):
to know each other.
You know, being a business ownerand working primarily from home
when you're not shooting orwith clients can be really
lonely.
I mean, I can't talk to myspouse about any of my business
stuff.
He's crazy.
He's just such a realist.
(40:40):
You know, I call him my dreamkiller.
He's so great.
I'm so in love with him.
I call him my dream killer.
He's so great, I'm so in lovewith him.
But and that was somethingearly on in my business journey
also that I really needed tocreate boundaries with and we're
going to have a whole one onboundaries also and client
(41:00):
relations and balancing familyand work life there's a whole
bunch of different categoriesthat we would like to address
during these little afternoonshindigs, and it's just really a
gathering of minds and creatinga little community and lifting
each other up and referringpeople.
Speaker 1 (41:23):
And, yeah, creating connection.
And then also, this one's goingto be creating a framework in
terms of like.
If you want to learn more aboutbranding, igniting your own
business of fire and findingyour flow, if you're feeling
like you're in a funk or you'renot feeling creative, and how to
tap into that like true youessence that you want to convey,
(41:46):
because it's so easy to look atother people and think that
they're doing it so much betterthan you and to feel like
there's a thousand of you know,name your profession, like why
am I standing out?
Like why would people want tochoose me?
And that is a limiting beliefthat can be completely debunked
because it is.
Speaker 2 (42:06):
And limiting beliefs is something that that you have
really brought to my forefrontof my mind many times.
I would love to talk more aboutthat at one of these things.
Speaker 1 (42:18):
Yeah Well, we're going to talk about limiting
beliefs around self-worth andconfidence at this event and
we're going to talk about simpletools that you can use to
release that stress, releasethat anxiety, release that
imposter syndrome, release thatcomparison syndrome.
Because, like Lisa said, likewhen you start working on that,
(42:42):
it can be a long process, butit's also like a cyclical
process in which you go throughseasons where you have like a
lot of aha moments around it andyou learn a lot of new things
and feel connected to yourselfonce again and, you know, feel
inspired.
And then, like you know, maybeit'll come up again where you
(43:03):
have imposter syndrome becauseyou're reaching a new level in
your business or you're puttingyourself out there to try
something new, you know.
But then you can look back andbe like, oh, I used these tools
to work through that in the pastand I can apply these tools
again, and then you'll learnmore from that.
And it's an opportunity to growand to really reconnect with
(43:26):
yourself.
Because, in my experience, whenI'm not feeling confident, when
I'm feeling unworthy, it'sbecause I've forgotten who I am
and I forgot that it doesn'tmatter what other people are
doing.
All that matters is that I'mtrue to myself and my path and
(43:47):
connecting with the guidance inmy life.
Because when somebody does that, others can sense it.
Just that change in vibration,other people can sense it and
for me that's what keeps me inflow that trust, that connection
, that authenticity andunderstanding that there's ways
(44:11):
that you can access it.
There's things you can do tocall it in Even if you're not
feeling it.
You don't have to just live inthe world of like I'm not good,
I'm not worthy and I'm stucklike this forever.
Like I'm not good, I'm notworthy and I'm stuck like this
forever.
Speaker 2 (44:30):
Yeah, and finding and acknowledging those things that
you can do to call yourselfback.
I mean, I have a whole list ofthings.
I'm like, all right, I'mfeeling very, very blah blah.
(44:51):
I have to go for a walk andtake pictures of flowers, and
then I do it and I come back andI'm like like I'm so much
better yeah, these tiny, tinylittle things.
I have to go sit in the gardenfor 10 minutes and then changing
the whole.
I have to to wow I have thisincredible garden that I get to
go sit in.
I mean, I find myselfconstantly correcting myself
(45:17):
when I'm feeling in a littlefunk.
Or I'll go and edit picturesfrom my, like family vacation
that I never get to.
You know little little stuffand you're like, oh, just these
tiny little practices tore-engage my like, relight my
(45:38):
fire.
Speaker 1 (45:39):
Yeah, so if this sounds like it's for you, we'd
love to have you join us.
There'll be a link in the bio.
There'll also be a link on mywebsite, mrshardcom and
hemlockhouseinc.
Speaker 2 (45:54):
There will be a link there as well.
Speaker 1 (45:57):
And we would love to meet you, connect with you, to
help you feel empowered, worthyand cultivate confidence.
And again, that's on Sunday,july 21st, from 3 to 5 pm.
We want to hear about all themagic that you're doing, and
that you are yes, and if you'renot feeling it, if you're like
(46:19):
no, I need to go to get my magic.
We can't wait to see what magiccomes up for you you're gonna
say something magical.
I know it, and then I'm gonna belike, oh my gosh, there it is,
and you're gonna be like what?
Speaker 2 (46:33):
it's great, it's real fun one of our favorite things
ever is to just be hype women, Ithink yeah like I love it so
much yeah, I have a hard timebeing hyped when people hype me.
Ah, we're working on accepting.
You know that I receive, Ireceive, but that's like you
(46:58):
know, we're doing a.
We're also doing a poppy andquill retreat in aug.
Speaker 1 (47:03):
August August 23rd and 24th.
Speaker 2 (47:05):
August 23rd and 24th in Calistoga and Alessandra will
be hosting some workshops.
Kelly, my co-host, and I willbe doing portraits underwater
portraits, in the pool portraits.
We have outdoor mineral baths,which are awesome.
Speaker 1 (47:23):
And these portraits aren't just your normal
photograph sessions.
Lisa and Kelly actually set upa spiritual experience leading
up to these photographs and sothat you're in your most
beautiful, ignited, heightenedstate when you get these
photographs taken, and itreminds you of the journey that
(47:44):
you experienced during theretreat when you look back on
these photos, of how good youfelt, how connected you felt to
yourself, how connected you feltto others and these magical
spiritual experiences that theylay out.
And every retreat's a littlebit different, but everyone just
feels so full of joy and has somany aha moments after the
(48:07):
retreat experience.
Speaker 2 (48:10):
Thank you, that's very sweet.
Even I look back on the photosthat we took of other people
during these retreats.
I look at them all the time,not like creepily, but you know,
like creepily, but you know,and I feel that way every time,
(48:30):
like I feel like my vibration israised just from like
revisiting that space in thatperiod of time in my mind and it
completely changes my day.
Like every time, yeah.
Anyways we're so excited.
We can't wait to see who comesto this one.
We have a few spots taken, afew spots left.
Speaker 1 (48:50):
Shauna Mox is going to be there.
Shauna's going to be there, and.
Speaker 2 (48:54):
Shauna is an embodiment coach.
She's gone through some changesin her business in the last
year and it's been reallybeautiful to watch from afar.
But she came to our retreatlast year and this woman moves
like you've never seen man.
Speaker 1 (49:23):
She really I don't want to give too much away, but
she takes people throughpractices that are ancient
shaking practices to heal andrelease stress and to reconnect
with yourself and move in a waythat makes you feel really good
and move in, and specificallygeared towards women and where
we store memories and all ofthese things and it's just the
overall experience was like mindblowing to me.
Speaker 2 (49:46):
But she will be back and I swear having you guys both
there.
It's like a dream teamsituation in this beautiful
location it's in calistoga it'sin calistoga.
We're walking to dinner and italways feels like doesn't it
always feel like like a weekyeah it feels like I mean, it's
(50:07):
two days and by the end of thesecond day I'm like wow, we've
been here for like 10 days yeah,because so much happened and
it's amazing, but so muchhappens and in such a short
period of time.
And then we come home and I'mlike, did, did that even
actually happen?
Because it feels so surreal.
It's really difficult toexplain what happens actually,
(50:34):
which makes it really difficultto market.
Speaker 1 (50:40):
Yes, they talk about the Poppy and Quill retreat.
It is a moving and empoweringand energizing experience and
they usually say it's just whatI needed and it really creates a
lot of clarity.
Speaker 2 (50:57):
Or it's what I didn't know that I needed in that
moment, and it was like lifechanging.
Yes.
Speaker 1 (51:03):
It changes the trajectory of the participants
that go, because spirit shows up, these amazing women who hold
space show up and it just givespeople time and the in the space
to really sink into whateverthe universe is calling them to
look at and to release it and tochange it and to do whatever
(51:27):
needs to be done with it.
And it's just a bright spot ineveryone's memory who's been to
it before Like it's just aboveand beyond magical.
Speaker 2 (51:39):
Thank you.
You do that, we all do that.
You do that, we all do that.
I'm really excited.
Speaker 1 (51:45):
Me too, and as a bonus to our event that we're
having, empower Her High Tea, ifyou go to Empower Her High Tea,
you will receive $100 off Poppyand Quill registration when you
sign up what?
And a free coaching sessionwith yours truly, mrs Hard.
(52:06):
Yeah, girl, girl, so worth it,yeah.
So there's a lot of bonuses,too, to get in on another quick,
quick note about the poppy andquill retreat.
Speaker 2 (52:17):
For every person you bring with you, you also get a
hundred dollars off of yourticket price.
What, yeah, what.
So you know you have a bestie,you got a bestie and a Tessie.
You want a ring with you Boom,$100 off.
And then she has a bestie, shewants a ring with her $100 off
(52:41):
for her too.
What I know.
Speaker 1 (52:46):
So I'm going to put a link to that in the show notes
as well, and you can find moreinformation if you follow Lisa
Fonville at Hemlock House.
Photo on Instagram.
Speaker 2 (52:58):
Yep and also poppyandquillcom, all spelled
out.
There's also a link to thePoppy and Quill page on my
website, which ishemlockhouseinccom.
We hope to see you.
Speaker 1 (53:11):
Yeah Well, thanks so much, Lisa, for joining me today
.
It's always so fun to do thiswith you.
Speaker 2 (53:18):
Thank you for having me.
I feel like I just talk so much.
Speaker 1 (53:21):
That's what you're supposed to do.
It's a podcast, yes, but thankyou.
I always love to see your face.
I love to see yours.
All right, till next time.
Bye.
Hi, I'm Alessandra Tolome Hard, aka Mrs Hard, and
this is Hard Times no More, apodcast for people who are tired
of struggling with boundaries,people-pleasing and relationship
problems.
I have overcome some hard times.
Within three years, I stoppeddrinking, my mom died of cancer
and my house burnt down in aCalifornia wildfire, and those
(00:22):
are just the highlights.
I have a lot of reasons to bemiserable, but I'm not.
The truth is, life was morechallenging before these events
happened.
If you are tired of waiting foryour circumstances to change to
find happiness and peace ofmind, you are in the right place
.
Join me as I share the tools Iuse in love to transform
(00:43):
challenges into assets andinterview others about their
relationship journeys.
Together, let's learn how tohave a happy life full of
healthy, meaningfulrelationships and say goodbye to
hard times for good.
Hey everyone, welcome to theHard Times no More Relationship
(01:05):
Podcast.
I'm Alessandra Tolomehard, akaMrs Hard, your host Today.
I'm super excited to have myreally good friend, business
collaborator and photographer,lisa Fonville, with me on the
show today.
Lisa, the owner of HemlockHouse Inc.
Is more than just aphotographer and branding expert
(01:26):
.
She creates soulful art that isonly possible because of the
deep connections she forms withher clients and the journey she
undertakes with them before theyeven step in front of the
camera.
Trust me from personalexperience, she is incredible
and she makes you feel socomfortable in front of the
camera.
And Lisa is an old soul.
(01:48):
She brings people togetherthrough photography, business
branding and spiritual retreats.
In this episode, we're going totalk about embracing the ebbs
and flows in business, somethingher and I are both very
familiar with as entrepreneursand business owners.
We're going to talk aboutunderstanding and accepting the
(02:09):
various seasons of life in yourbusiness the slow times, when it
feels like you're not makingenough money and you're
concerned about what you'regoing to do in the future to
keep your business afloat.
And then the busy times whereyou are running around like a
chicken with your head cut offand you wish you had more time.
We're going to talk aboutreducing work-related anxiety
(02:31):
and creating a healthierwork-life balance, which, as you
know, is a journey and aprocess in itself, and it's
vital for caregivers and femaleentrepreneurs.
We also have a super excitingannouncement we are hosting an
upcoming event called EmpowerHer High Tee Embrace your Worth
(02:53):
and Cultivate Confidence.
This workshop will be on July21st from 3 to 5 pm in downtown
Napa.
This special event is designedfor women entrepreneurs,
business owners and thosecontemplating starting a
business.
We're going to be focusing onreleasing business anxiety.
We're going to talk about whatto do when your business is slow
(03:16):
, when you feel like peoplearen't spending money and the
financial struggle you'refeeling is real.
There are some core underlyingissues that are limiting you and
blocking you from finding peacein those seasons that are slow,
and these real core issues arekeeping you from embracing your
worth and feeling confident inyour business.
(03:37):
So we're going to dive intothat together at Empower Her
High Tea.
And this isn't just a workshop.
It's also a tea ceremony, andthe tea ceremony portion is
hosted by Sakan Neck, and she isalso a photographer, she's also
an entrepreneur and she createsa very soulful tea ceremony
(04:00):
experience that we are soexcited to share with you.
And you're going to receive somany benefits from joining us at
Empower Her High Tea, includingcreating community support.
You're going to be able to meetother women just like you who
are going through similarchallenges and have similar
goals.
This workshop is going to beconfidence building.
(04:21):
You're going to learn tools andtechniques to boost your
self-worth and confidence, andbonus attendees will receive
$100 off the upcoming Poppy andQuill Retreat on August 23rd and
24th, and you'll get afollow-up free 30-minute
coaching session with me, yourstruly, mrs Hard.
(04:43):
So join us for an afternoon ofinspiration, connection and
empowerment.
For more details and toregister, visit the link in the
show notes or you can find it onmy website, mrshardcom.
Now, without further ado, let'sdive into this week's episode
the Art of Balanced Living forbusiness babes.
(05:04):
With Lisa Vaughnville, let'stalk about how we met.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Okay, we met in 2017.
The reason that I remember theexact year is because that's the
year I did my first destinationwedding in Mexico and it was so
awesome.
But like a month before, Icouldn't even lift my camera.
(05:30):
Something was wrong with myarms.
I had like either tennis elbowor golfer's elbow, or if you've
ever had either of those, itsucks.
And I was freaking out becauseI wasn't going to be able to
edit this wedding.
And then my sister-in-law toldme that she had this incredible
(05:55):
new renter on her property andshe had gotten a massage from
you.
And she was like, oh my God,lisa, you have to go, you have
to try her.
And I was like, all right andright.
And then you, I did, and thenyou fixed my arms and every once
in a while, I feel that paincome back and and I mean, I see
you frequently, um, but youalways fix it you're like an
(06:18):
angel.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
Subscapular work is one of my most favorite
techniques digging into people'sarmpits because because you
like to hurt people.
No, I don't like to hurt people.
I love the relief that theyfeel afterwards it's amazing.
It's like night and day it wasand it's something no one ever
thinks yeah, and it's somethingthat no one ever thinks about
(06:44):
that like that is actually theroot cause of a lot of shoulder
discomfort in the armpit and ifyou hit the right spots that, it
like releases the pec muscleswhich get tight from like
forward head movement or forwardhead posture and like rounded
shoulders.
There's this like whole cascadeof events and I think my
favorite thing in massagetherapy and in like wellness
(07:07):
coaching is getting to like theroot or like the true symptom,
the cause of the problem that iscausing all of these other
symptoms.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
you're very good at that, because every time I
mention anything you're like youpose this about and it always
leads us to the root and it'slike so good, I'm like okay, and
now I know like what questionsyou're going to ask me, because
I've worked with you enough thatit actually I ask myself the
(07:41):
same questions, which is such abenefit for like coaching and
these workshops that you do,because I find myself asking
myself these questions before Iknow that I'm going to see you.
Not like homework or anything,but it's like built in, it's
like this natural practice now,and so I can pinpoint the source
(08:02):
of anxiety or fear much quickerthan I used to be able to do.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Oh, and that lights up my soul, like, especially as
a coach, because you don't wantto be the person that, like the
person, has to have to fix theirproblems.
Like, my dream is for thepeople I work with to feel
empowered so that they can findtheir own solutions from within
them.
Feel empowered so that they canfind their own solutions from
within them.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Well then, what you're doing is working.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
That's so awesome.
I love hearing that.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Thank you, my little knowledgeable angel.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
Aw.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Yeah, but I can't fix my subscap stuff, my scapular.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
Is it sub Scap, subscapular muscle, scapular?
You have to do that for mestill Is that cool, that's great
.
I love working on yoursubscapular muscle.
Are we flirting?
We might be.
Oh my God, don't let my husbandlisten.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Oh gosh.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
So let's let's talk about your business.
What has been lighting yourfire lately?
Speaker 2 (09:11):
oh, that's such a hardcore question because I feel
, uh, really tired right now andI know a lot of people that
I've talked to are feeling thesame way and I'm sure it's just
a combination of, you know, oureconomy and pricing and stress
(09:35):
and time and um, it's just, itfeels a little draining.
Um, it's just it feels a littledraining, but my clients always
light me right back up.
It's amazing to have a job oran occupation that I think about
(10:04):
this all the time and I'm sograteful that truly like pulls
me out of a funk which, like whocan say that?
That's amazing.
So when I'm at my lowest andI'm kind of not feeling super
inspired, as soon as I'm withclients and I have a camera in
my hand, everything's great.
So I just have to trust that itcome.
(10:24):
I used to do a lot of collagework when I was painting back in
the day and then I used to justkeep these little gems from
magazines and articles that Iwould cut out and I kept them
all in this box and I found itthe other day and it was really
interesting to to like connectwith my former self and see,
(10:49):
like what I was connecting withthen and how it's either still
applies now or it feels so faraway.
It was just a very interestinglittle journey, but that is
something that I've beenpracticing this year is going
over past work when you'refeeling in a little rut, and
(11:09):
that's been really, reallyhelpful.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
What parts of that have been helpful, because I
know for me, when I go over pastwork or like old ideas or old
projects that I had in the past,I can see how much I've grown
since then and that can bereally inspiring, because
sometimes I feel a littlestagnant, like I'm not growing.
What is it for you that?
Speaker 2 (11:31):
It's definitely that.
But it's also kind of there'sthis period of time I don't know
when it was, but I felt like Iwas just on fire.
And I actually look at it nowand I feel like my work has
gotten way worse.
(11:51):
I was talking to a friend theother day and she's like, um,
you're crazy.
And I'm like but I look at thispast stuff and I'm like, oh my
gosh, look at these ideas I washaving like this is so cool and
like I did that, that's awesome.
Um, so it's just kind ofreaffirming that, like that is
within me and I just like gottadig a little to find it.
(12:18):
But it's also just age slowingdown, tired.
My oldest just graduated fromhigh school.
That was like wild.
I'm finally recovering fromlike two weeks of massive
amounts of social activity.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
Yeah last time we were hanging out we were talking
about seasons in business andlearning to be confident when
your business has seasons.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
And embracing the lull.
Yes, I keep saying that overand over.
Since we've talked, I've usedthat exact phrasing like seven
times with seven differentpeople that have been reaching
out.
Like a little discouraged, I'mlike no man Embrace it.
Yeah, I don't say it creepy,like a little discouraged, I'm
like no man embrace it.
Yeah, I don't say it creepylike that, though it's pretty
(13:08):
creepy.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
I feel like those lulls show up for us to rest and
recover, but we're so used togoing, going, going and
believing that that's what weneed to do all the time to be
productive, to be successful, tobe making money to.
You know, whatever the thing iswhere it's actually the time to
hibernate, even if it is likespring or summer, and go within
(13:32):
so that you can recharge andthen come out with new ideas,
new stuff, because you can'tpull from a well that's dry, you
can't pull from a well that'sdry.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Yeah, that's what I'm just keep practicing, and every
time I embrace the law it getseasier and easier to do until it
becomes kind of a a habit oflike not freaking out.
Cause, as a business owner,I've been seeing all these memes
or these videos, you know, thatpop up on Instagram.
(14:05):
There's like it's talking abouttwo, the two phases of a
business owner, and it's one ofthe videos is like Ron Swanson
from Parks and Rec, just likefreaking out.
And the other one is likebecause you're so busy and
overwhelmed.
And then the other one is likefreaking out because like the
(14:26):
well is dry and you have nothinggoing on.
So my goal is to live in themiddle of those.
You know, kind of the little upand downer.
I was actually out to dinner onWednesday with a friend.
I love her, her name's Cece.
She's from Sweden.
Like she said, wednesdays arelike the mini weekend in Sweden.
(14:51):
She had another word for it andthen it's just like known that
like people get off early onWednesdays, they like take a
break, they chill out, and I'mlike I don't know why we can't
do that as like a society, andon one hand, on one hand, it's
(15:11):
very interesting havingteenagers and young people
entering the work world rightnow and, you know, feeling
pretty entitled.
You know feeling pretty entitled, even though we've raised them
to not be that way, but you know, and expecting certain pay
(15:34):
levels when we're like, dude,our first job was like $3 an
hour.
Like, come on, you'recomplaining about 20?
Like you're 16.
Like it's crazy to me, 16, likeit's crazy to me.
But on one hand, thatgeneration is also like not
glorifying the hustle and theyare.
There is this whole generationthat's focusing more on mental
(15:54):
health and physical health andphysical well-being, which leads
to mental well-being.
Overall, I do think thatgeneration is going to be
happier in a sense.
Um, and it's just balancing thatwith you know, what we grew up
thinking you work really hardand then you die.
(16:15):
So there's, there's gotta be,there's gotta be something in
the middle.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
Yeah, I was talking with a client this morning
actually, and we were talkingabout how there's like all these
and thens, like she went tocollege and then she got her PhD
, and then she opened up herbusiness and then she saved
enough money for retirement, andthen, and now she's like what
(16:44):
am I supposed to do?
now, there's no more and thenyeah, then you do whatever you
want, which is awesome butreally hard to embrace if you've
always had a goal, and a lot ofus fall prey to the idea that
comes from our mind and from ourculture that, like, once we do
these things, then we will behappy, then we will be satisfied
(17:05):
, then we will be stable, thenwe will be secure.
But what about the now?
Like there is a way and Iexperienced this that you can
experience joy now, you canexperience peace of mind now,
you can experience happiness now.
It doesn't have to be the andthen and then.
Sometimes, when you talk aboutthat, people get into like black
(17:26):
and white thinking where theythink but if I do that and I do
what I want right now, likenothing's going to get done,
like it's either all I have tokeep on chasing or nothing, or
like I completely stopeverything instead of like
learning to infuse joy into theprocess and fall in love with
(17:47):
the process instead of the endresult and doing what you need
to do in the moment to createbalance, or in the day to create
balance.
Like I've been a big fan ofmini naps lately, me too, and it
makes such a big difference,but it took me so long to be
able to give myself permissionto do that and have it not be.
(18:10):
No, I have all these things todo.
Like once I do all these things, then I can rest.
It's like actually I'm dragging.
I don't feel great.
If I just lie down for 10minutes or 15 minutes and then
do the things I need to do, I'mgoing to feel so much better and
we feel so much less stress andI've been like lying down and
(18:31):
just focusing on like releasingresistance and I've been really
playing with the feeling ofresistance.
It's like this force feelingthat I feel in my body and that
force feeling has been tied tomy anxiety for so long and I've
been working with a therapist tolike identify that like very
specific feeling, that driving,running, exhausted, depleted
(18:52):
part of myself, and I've beenlearning that like what soothes
that part for me is like lettinggo of that forcing feeling and
I have to like lie down to do itand I don't have to lie down
very long, which is the reallycool part.
I can like reset within likefive or 10 minutes or like 15
minutes, and so it doesn't haveto like take up my whole day,
(19:13):
but it like allows my nervoussystem to let go so that I can
then do things, but with like adifferent momentum behind them,
like a different energy.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
I think your resistance and my resistance
probably hang out often, but no,every single thing you just
said I resonated with in a veryreal way, like every single
thing you said.
So, yes, even the resistance,resistance, feeling the whole
all or nothing.
(19:45):
Um, I'm still in the process oflike giving myself permission
to do that.
I feel like I'm going a littlebit overboard and giving myself
too much permission to like napnow, but, um, my body needs it,
my body's tired, so I'm reallyfocusing on that.
(20:07):
But, yeah, it's this, for areally long time, I mean, I
couldn't even create and thiswas, I mean, years and years and
years.
I would have, like I used topaint a lot.
I've really been thinking aboutgetting back into painting and
and bringing some of thatfluidity and flow back into my
creative practice.
(20:27):
I think it would be reallyhelpful and just healing.
But I would have it set up inthis corner of my house and
unless I had done every otherthing done the dishes, vacuumed
the house, cleaned the room,like everything was done then I
(20:48):
would give myself permission toactually go paint and create.
Therefore, I never actually didit.
I mean, I maybe painted in thatspace like three times.
Did you ever flip flop it whereyou painted and then did the
things?
No, but I would do that nowthat I have learned a lot about
(21:09):
myself and that for reallyhighly creative people, creating
is like the life force, likethat's what's going to give me
energy to like do everythingelse in life.
Yeah, so now I get that, but atthe time I would feel guilty or
(21:31):
I would feel like I hadn'tdeserved that that time for
myself and, um, that's just sad.
I don't want anybody to feellike that.
If you were feeling like that,let's talk, yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
Yeah, but it, our brain, tells us that that's the
way we need to do it, becauseit's like frivolous or a waste
of time, or it's like a treat ora luxury to do that.
Where it's really backwardsbecause, like when we take time
to do those things and itdoesn't mean we have to take an
entire day to paint, like we cantake like 20 minutes or an hour
(22:08):
or like a chunk of time, likeonce you fuel that part of your
soul, everything else flows, soyou get all of your stuff done
faster, rather than like tryingto like squeeze juice out of a
like sun-dried lemon it's sointeresting that it takes so
(22:29):
much work and so long to to likefigure out these things that it
feels like they should be sosimple.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
I think it's like we just make things harder in our
mind than they need to be and weput responsibility ahead of joy
.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
I wonder why we all suffer from such anxiety.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
And the root is fear, fear of instability because of,
you know, bad childhoods orfinancial insecurity that
happened in the past or badexperiences in the past.
And our brain is actuallytrying to help us by keeping us
on the go instead of doingsomething creative or nurturing
(23:24):
ourselves, because it made anagreement somewhere along the
line that, like doing the thingand pushing hard and forcing is
what's going to equal successand praise and achievement, not
nourishing yourself first andthen like moving from a place of
(23:47):
fulfillment.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
Well, I think that then poses the next big question
is what does success mean toyou and to your, to everybody,
if you have a business, ifyou're starting starting a
business, like if you've neversat down and written down what
that means, like that can be initself such an eye-opening
(24:12):
practice.
Like success for me means time,like time to go hang out in my
garden and be with my family andcome record a podcast with
Alessandra when I want to orwhen she asks me, which I love
doing, and, um, just you know,if I want to go have lunch with
(24:36):
a friend, like we can go, dothat.
And to make my own schedule andto create every day like, oh my
God, um.
And to connect with people.
I mean when I really sit andactually I needed this today, so
thank you, um when I really sitdown and I look at what I've
defined success for myself andin my business, for I'm already
(24:59):
very successful and that'sawesome.
That's awesome.
Go me, go you.
I would like to make like abillion dollars.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
Let's get real, really, really easily.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
So if we could manifest that, that would be
great.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
Yeah, but even the billion dollars okay, like let's
say that's your goal.
What is that really?
It's a feeling of freedom.
It's a feeling of stability,it's a feeling of nothing being
impossible or out of your leaguefinancially, like.
(25:44):
It's a feeling that, like,people want to achieve by
becoming a billionaire.
You're right, and so this isbackwards and maybe people won't
want to hear it, but I don't, Idon't know.
But what I've been working onlately is like why don't I just
have that feeling now, like whydon't I work in the morning,
(26:06):
during my morning routine, andthrough the day when I'm
releasing resistance?
What I'm working on is likeaccessing those feelings Now,
the feeling of freedom that Ihave in my life right now, the
feeling of joy I have, thefeeling of stability, the
feeling of security and focusingon what I do have instead of
what is lacking.
And it's such a simple practiceand it doesn't mean that then I
(26:28):
don't try to go make money ordon't try to grow my business,
but it comes from like a placeof joy and fun and let's see if
this works, you know.
Or like, let's see if we canhelp people in this way, or
let's see if we can connect withpeople in this way, rather than
that forcing feeling of likelack that I think that you know
(26:49):
the universe's law of attractionlike what you're putting out,
you're receiving, and so likewhat if you just have the
feeling?
And then if the billion dollarscomes, great Might be a little
too floaty.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
It's not that floaty, it's like dressing for the job
you want.
Yeah, you know, it's thatsimilar.
Like you know, I saw somethingonline that hit me in the gut
and it was just the whole.
Whatever you're not changing,you're choosing.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
Yes, oh, my God, I love that and I was like oh, so
I'm choosing to be like.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
And then it kind of went down the list of these
things I'm choosing and I waslike oh my God, I just.
It hit me really hard and I wasthinking about it when you were
talking about the billionairething.
I'm going to start living likeI'm a billionaire too.
You want to go to Irelandtomorrow?
(27:49):
Let's chase that joy.
No I understand what you'resaying perfectly and I think so
much of it is mindset andchanging.
That doesn't come overnight.
No, it's a practice.
It's such a practice and it's alot.
(28:09):
It's a long one and I knoweverybody talks about their
healing journey and it makes funof everybody for talking about
their healing journey.
But I don't care who you are.
If you're like trying to bebetter for you, for your, for
your kids, for your, it shouldbe for you and for future
generations.
(28:29):
You are on a healing journeyand this is part of it and
pinpointing like where thesethings started and it's.
It's brave to do all of thatand it's really hard sometimes.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
Yeah, I think.
I think we beat ourselves uptoo much.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
I think we do too.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
I think our lives work in like, I imagine like
circles, like cycles, instead ofa linear thing.
Like so often, we want to justlike check that box, tuck
whatever we were dealing withlike neatly away and be like
okay, I've dealt with that, it'snever going to bother me again.
But things happen in seasonsand they come back in cycles and
(29:09):
when they come back, we have anew opportunity to interact with
it differently, because we'velearned things from it the last
time it came around, from it thelast time it came around, or if
it continues to show up in ourlives, it's continuing.
It's the universe's way of likecontinuing to nudge us of like
hey, this is something you needto look at.
(29:31):
And what I love is like when oneproblem is focused on, it
creates a ripple effect in therest of your life, and so it's
not like we have to fix all ofthe problems.
We can just like pay attentionto whatever is loudest and then
we can work on that one thing.
And if we really set aside timeto understand it, accept it,
(29:54):
make peace with it and find someserenity around it, then those
same tools, whatever we learnedfrom that experience, can be
applied to multiple differentareas.
For example, like myrelationship with my father was
like really bad for a couple ofyears there, like really bad,
but he taught me a lot aboutboundaries by working on that
(30:14):
relationship with him and thenthose boundaries trickled into
my business.
I have really good boundarieswith clients when I answer texts
and respond in emails Like Idon't have to immediately
respond, especially if it's aday off.
I have better boundaries arounddays off.
I have better boundaries aroundmy expectations of other people
(30:36):
personally and professionally,and that all came from working
on my relationship with my dad,because that was affecting all
these different areas of my life.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
And I've been lucky enough to witness that and like
be a part of your life duringthat process.
But just hearing you talk aboutthat relationship now versus a
few years ago and like but justhearing you talk about that
relationship now versus a fewyears ago and like it's just I
don't know.
It's really beautiful and I'msure your relationship with him
(31:13):
is so much better now because ofit and that's important.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
Good job.
Thanks friend.
Thanks friend, you're welcome.
Thanks friend, thanks friend,you're welcome.
So let's talk a little bitabout branding.
What do you?
Speaker 2 (31:34):
see women struggling with the most when it comes to
branding, being seen really, orallowing themselves to be seen.
I think that's the very firstthing and I think a lot of that
is generational, and this ideathat you know, we're not meant
to be seen, we're not meant totake up space and like who am I?
(31:56):
To like schedule a photosession for myself and like, let
people know, like here I am andhere's what I do, and get to
know me like it's.
It's, it's a matter of um,feeling worthy and allowing
yourself to be seen, which thenyou know, is like.
(32:17):
I find that that's like thecornerstone and I've worked with
a lot of women that once we'vedone that part and I've worked
with a lot of women that oncewe've done that part and there
slowly becomes this more comfortlevel and it's just mind
blowing what happens.
(32:48):
But I think there's this intensefear of being seen because
either fear of rejection or notbeing good enough.
But that's what I see womenstruggling with the most as far
as branding goes.
You know it's pretty fluidafter that To conquer that or
(33:12):
not conquer it, but to workthrough that feeling and give
yourself permission to like, dothese things.
I mean that's not like a weeklong process either.
That's years, which is actuallywhy you know we've worked with
some of the same clientscoaching and branding and it's
why your what you do is soimportant to feed what I do, and
(33:36):
vice versa.
I think, and um, in order toreally feel comfortable allowing
yourself to be seen, you haveto do some of this, some of the
stuff, that that you provide andthat, the help that, and then,
once people get there, it's justamazing what happens.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
Yeah, you're just like wow it's.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
It's like watching I don't know the only thing I can
really think of is likebutterflies which I'm not a huge
butterfly person, but you knowthe whole art of transformation
and really there's something.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
There's something about that and it's really
amazing to watch and it makes mecry every time to watch women
step into their power like thatwatch women step into their
power like that, yeah, and Ifeel like being an entrepreneur
or being a business owner,owning your own business, is
going to challenge everythingthat you have going on within.
(34:37):
That makes you feel like you'rean imposter or not good enough
for comparing yourself to others, Like that's what your business
will do.
And if you're listening andyou're a business owner, you
probably really need to preparefor this.
But also you need to know thatyou're not the only one that
feels this way, that everysingle person you see out there
(35:00):
showing their face on theirwebsite on Instagram during
workshops, whatever, showingtheir face on their website on
Instagram during workshops,whatever they have all felt this
and are most likely feeling itstill Agreed, and it doesn't
mean that like it has to totallygo away for you to make peace
(35:24):
with it.
But I love what you offer peoplebecause you are so excited
during photo shoots with peopleand you're so creative when
you're helping others withbranding and you're able to
(35:51):
really get to their essencethrough your photography and the
way that you work with them andhelp them light up and see
themselves, and I know thateveryone I've talked to who's
ever looked at their photos thatthey've received from you is
just like oh my God, this is soamazing.
I feel so beautiful, I feel soseen and I feel so honored, and
they also feel so authenticallyconnected to themselves.
Like you take photographs ofpeople in a way that really
brings out their like authenticbeauty.
It's not like a posed, likelike perfectly primmed, like
(36:13):
kind of thing.
It's really capturing theiressence, which is more beautiful
than perfection.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
Thank you, and that's not something that just like
happens.
By the way, if you are aphotographer and you're
listening and you're like new onthe scene or whatever, I don't
just show up and like connectwith people like this.
I mean, I connect with peopleeasily, but the reason that this
(36:43):
that a lot of these aresuccessful and the way you're
describing is because we'vespent significant time talking
and talking about what theirgoal for their business is, how
they wish to be seen, who theirideal client is.
I mean so many questions thatthey have never even asked
(37:05):
themselves, and that shapes theway that I photograph them and
the whole session.
And so it's really important toreally get to know your clients
in that way and what they'retrying to achieve and what the
(37:27):
message that they want to speakand and share, um, otherwise
you're not gonna you're notgonna get that authentic joy and
what you're describing, um, soit's just a matter of connecting
with people prior.
You know, people want to beseen, they want to be heard,
(37:51):
they want to feel like you'veheard them, they want to know
that you've heard them and theywant communication and follow
through and those are, likemoving on to like other parts of
business.
The reason that I have clientsthat keep coming back and you
have clients that keep comingback year after year is because
(38:12):
I connect with my clients and Ifollow through and I communicate
, and there's just so manyincredible artists and people
that create these photographsall over the our valley and all
over the world and, um, a lot ofpeople can do that.
Um, but it's like what MayaAngelou said people are going to
(38:32):
remember how you make them feelyeah, yeah and I think that's.
I just think about that quoteall the time.
Speaker 1 (38:45):
Yeah, in talking about empowering women, we've
created a special event thatwe're going to throw on July
21st from 3 to 5 PM.
It's called empower her hightea and it's for women
entrepreneurs or women who arethinking about starting a
(39:06):
business, when we're going todive into the art of embracing
your worth and cultivatingconfidence.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
So Sakon Neck is a photographer in Napa.
I met her.
She came to our very firstPoppy and Quill retreat and
neither Kelly or I knew her andwe're like, who is this person?
This is awesome.
And she instantly became one ofmy favorite humans ever.
(39:33):
Like I laugh so hard with this.
She is incredible, um, but shehas a little tea house also in
Napa.
She does so many very coolthings and does a lot of cooking
to honor ancestors and like shejust does some very cool things
(39:54):
.
And she will be hosting a teaceremony at the beginning of
this event and I'm so excitedabout it, one I just really want
you to meet her.
I want everyone to meet her.
I want everyone to meet you.
But she said the tea ceremonypart will last probably 45
minutes and then we'll we'lldive into the kind of getting to
(40:18):
to know each other.
You know, being a business ownerand working primarily from home
when you're not shooting orwith clients can be really
lonely.
I mean, I can't talk to myspouse about any of my business
stuff.
He's crazy.
He's just such a realist.
(40:40):
You know, I call him my dreamkiller.
He's so great.
I'm so in love with him.
I call him my dream killer.
He's so great, I'm so in lovewith him.
But and that was somethingearly on in my business journey
also that I really needed tocreate boundaries with and we're
going to have a whole one onboundaries also and client
(41:00):
relations and balancing familyand work life there's a whole
bunch of different categoriesthat we would like to address
during these little afternoonshindigs, and it's just really a
gathering of minds and creatinga little community and lifting
each other up and referringpeople.
Speaker 1 (41:23):
And, yeah, creating connection.
And then also, this one's goingto be creating a framework in
terms of like.
If you want to learn more aboutbranding, igniting your own
business of fire and findingyour flow, if you're feeling
like you're in a funk or you'renot feeling creative, and how to
tap into that like true youessence that you want to convey,
(41:46):
because it's so easy to look atother people and think that
they're doing it so much betterthan you and to feel like
there's a thousand of you know,name your profession, like why
am I standing out?
Like why would people want tochoose me?
And that is a limiting beliefthat can be completely debunked
because it is.
Speaker 2 (42:06):
And limiting beliefs is something that that you have
really brought to my forefrontof my mind many times.
I would love to talk more aboutthat at one of these things.
Speaker 1 (42:18):
Yeah Well, we're going to talk about limiting
beliefs around self-worth andconfidence at this event and
we're going to talk about simpletools that you can use to
release that stress, releasethat anxiety, release that
imposter syndrome, release thatcomparison syndrome.
Because, like Lisa said, likewhen you start working on that,
(42:42):
it can be a long process, butit's also like a cyclical
process in which you go throughseasons where you have like a
lot of aha moments around it andyou learn a lot of new things
and feel connected to yourselfonce again and, you know, feel
inspired.
And then, like you know, maybeit'll come up again where you
(43:03):
have imposter syndrome becauseyou're reaching a new level in
your business or you're puttingyourself out there to try
something new, you know.
But then you can look back andbe like, oh, I used these tools
to work through that in the pastand I can apply these tools
again, and then you'll learnmore from that.
And it's an opportunity to growand to really reconnect with
(43:26):
yourself.
Because, in my experience, whenI'm not feeling confident, when
I'm feeling unworthy, it'sbecause I've forgotten who I am
and I forgot that it doesn'tmatter what other people are
doing.
All that matters is that I'mtrue to myself and my path and
(43:47):
connecting with the guidance inmy life.
Because when somebody does that, others can sense it.
Just that change in vibration,other people can sense it and
for me that's what keeps me inflow that trust, that connection
, that authenticity andunderstanding that there's ways
(44:11):
that you can access it.
There's things you can do tocall it in Even if you're not
feeling it.
You don't have to just live inthe world of like I'm not good,
I'm not worthy and I'm stucklike this forever.
Like I'm not good, I'm notworthy and I'm stuck like this
forever.
Speaker 2 (44:30):
Yeah, and finding and acknowledging those things that
you can do to call yourselfback.
I mean, I have a whole list ofthings.
I'm like, all right, I'mfeeling very, very blah blah.
(44:51):
I have to go for a walk andtake pictures of flowers, and
then I do it and I come back andI'm like like I'm so much
better yeah, these tiny, tinylittle things.
I have to go sit in the gardenfor 10 minutes and then changing
the whole.
I have to to wow I have thisincredible garden that I get to
go sit in.
I mean, I find myselfconstantly correcting myself
(45:17):
when I'm feeling in a littlefunk.
Or I'll go and edit picturesfrom my, like family vacation
that I never get to.
You know little little stuffand you're like, oh, just these
tiny little practices tore-engage my like, relight my
(45:38):
fire.
Speaker 1 (45:39):
Yeah, so if this sounds like it's for you, we'd
love to have you join us.
There'll be a link in the bio.
There'll also be a link on mywebsite, mrshardcom and
hemlockhouseinc.
Speaker 2 (45:54):
There will be a link there as well.
Speaker 1 (45:57):
And we would love to meet you, connect with you, to
help you feel empowered, worthyand cultivate confidence.
And again, that's on Sunday,july 21st, from 3 to 5 pm.
We want to hear about all themagic that you're doing, and
that you are yes, and if you'renot feeling it, if you're like
(46:19):
no, I need to go to get my magic.
We can't wait to see what magiccomes up for you you're gonna
say something magical.
I know it, and then I'm gonna belike, oh my gosh, there it is,
and you're gonna be like what?
Speaker 2 (46:33):
it's great, it's real fun one of our favorite things
ever is to just be hype women, Ithink yeah like I love it so
much yeah, I have a hard timebeing hyped when people hype me.
Ah, we're working on accepting.
You know that I receive, Ireceive, but that's like you
(46:58):
know, we're doing a.
We're also doing a poppy andquill retreat in aug.
Speaker 1 (47:03):
August August 23rd and 24th.
Speaker 2 (47:05):
August 23rd and 24th in Calistoga and Alessandra will
be hosting some workshops.
Kelly, my co-host, and I willbe doing portraits underwater
portraits, in the pool portraits.
We have outdoor mineral baths,which are awesome.
Speaker 1 (47:23):
And these portraits aren't just your normal
photograph sessions.
Lisa and Kelly actually set upa spiritual experience leading
up to these photographs and sothat you're in your most
beautiful, ignited, heightenedstate when you get these
photographs taken, and itreminds you of the journey that
(47:44):
you experienced during theretreat when you look back on
these photos, of how good youfelt, how connected you felt to
yourself, how connected you feltto others and these magical
spiritual experiences that theylay out.
And every retreat's a littlebit different, but everyone just
feels so full of joy and has somany aha moments after the
(48:07):
retreat experience.
Speaker 2 (48:10):
Thank you, that's very sweet.
Even I look back on the photosthat we took of other people
during these retreats.
I look at them all the time,not like creepily, but you know,
like creepily, but you know,and I feel that way every time,
(48:30):
like I feel like my vibration israised just from like
revisiting that space in thatperiod of time in my mind and it
completely changes my day.
Like every time, yeah.
Anyways we're so excited.
We can't wait to see who comesto this one.
We have a few spots taken, afew spots left.
Speaker 1 (48:50):
Shauna Mox is going to be there.
Shauna's going to be there, and.
Speaker 2 (48:54):
Shauna is an embodiment coach.
She's gone through some changesin her business in the last
year and it's been reallybeautiful to watch from afar.
But she came to our retreatlast year and this woman moves
like you've never seen man.
Speaker 1 (49:23):
She really I don't want to give too much away, but
she takes people throughpractices that are ancient
shaking practices to heal andrelease stress and to reconnect
with yourself and move in a waythat makes you feel really good
and move in, and specificallygeared towards women and where
we store memories and all ofthese things and it's just the
overall experience was like mindblowing to me.
Speaker 2 (49:46):
But she will be back and I swear having you guys both
there.
It's like a dream teamsituation in this beautiful
location it's in calistoga it'sin calistoga.
We're walking to dinner and italways feels like doesn't it
always feel like like a weekyeah it feels like I mean, it's
(50:07):
two days and by the end of thesecond day I'm like wow, we've
been here for like 10 days yeah,because so much happened and
it's amazing, but so muchhappens and in such a short
period of time.
And then we come home and I'mlike, did, did that even
actually happen?
Because it feels so surreal.
It's really difficult toexplain what happens actually,
(50:34):
which makes it really difficultto market.
Speaker 1 (50:40):
Yes, they talk about the Poppy and Quill retreat.
It is a moving and empoweringand energizing experience and
they usually say it's just whatI needed and it really creates a
lot of clarity.
Speaker 2 (50:57):
Or it's what I didn't know that I needed in that
moment, and it was like lifechanging.
Yes.
Speaker 1 (51:03):
It changes the trajectory of the participants
that go, because spirit shows up, these amazing women who hold
space show up and it just givespeople time and the in the space
to really sink into whateverthe universe is calling them to
look at and to release it and tochange it and to do whatever
(51:27):
needs to be done with it.
And it's just a bright spot ineveryone's memory who's been to
it before Like it's just aboveand beyond magical.
Speaker 2 (51:39):
Thank you.
You do that, we all do that.
You do that, we all do that.
I'm really excited.
Speaker 1 (51:45):
Me too, and as a bonus to our event that we're
having, empower Her High Tea, ifyou go to Empower Her High Tea,
you will receive $100 off Poppyand Quill registration when you
sign up what?
And a free coaching sessionwith yours truly, mrs Hard.
(52:06):
Yeah, girl, girl, so worth it,yeah.
So there's a lot of bonuses,too, to get in on another quick,
quick note about the poppy andquill retreat.
Speaker 2 (52:17):
For every person you bring with you, you also get a
hundred dollars off of yourticket price.
What, yeah, what.
So you know you have a bestie,you got a bestie and a Tessie.
You want a ring with you Boom,$100 off.
And then she has a bestie, shewants a ring with her $100 off
(52:41):
for her too.
What I know.
Speaker 1 (52:46):
So I'm going to put a link to that in the show notes
as well, and you can find moreinformation if you follow Lisa
Fonville at Hemlock House.
Photo on Instagram.
Speaker 2 (52:58):
Yep and also poppyandquillcom, all spelled
out.
There's also a link to thePoppy and Quill page on my
website, which ishemlockhouseinccom.
We hope to see you.
Speaker 1 (53:11):
Yeah Well, thanks so much, Lisa, for joining me today
.
It's always so fun to do thiswith you.
Speaker 2 (53:18):
Thank you for having me.
I feel like I just talk so much.
Speaker 1 (53:21):
That's what you're supposed to do.
It's a podcast, yes, but thankyou.
I always love to see your face.
I love to see yours.
All right, till next time.
Bye.
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