February 5, 2025 • 49 mins
Harness Up with Haste dives into the journey of returning home, bridging the gap between personal and equine experiences. This episode focuses on the importance of training, community engagement, reflections on horsemanship, and the new adventures ahead for Dwayne Noel.
• Dewayne shares his journey back to Kentucky and its significance
• Challenges faced as a horseman in Wyoming
• Training techniques for developing a dependable draft horse
• Emotional connections between horses and their handlers
• Insights on the importance of clinics for building horsemanship skills
• Introduction of Dewayne’s coffee venture reflecting shared values
• Encouragement for listeners to pursue their interest in draft horses
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Speaker 1 (00:12):
Welcome to Harness Up with Haste Draft Horses and
Mules, where we talk all thingsrelated to these magnificent
animals, from their history anduses to training and care.
We cover it all.
Join us as we chat with expertsand enthusiasts in the field,
(00:33):
share stories and tips andexplore the world of draft
horses and mules.
Whether you're a seasoned owneror just curious about these
gentle giants, this podcast isfor you.
So harness up and join HasteDraft Horses and Mules for some
lively discussions about theseGod-given creatures.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Howdy everybody.
Stephen Haste here back withHarness Up Podcast with Haste,
draft, horses and Mules.
Hope everybody's doing good,having a good January.
You may see a familiar facehere if you've watched the
podcast or been on it a while MrDwayne Noel.
How are you, dwayne?
I'm well, sir.
Thank you, good to see you,buddy, glad you're here.
Good to be here.
Dwayne's a good friend now wemet Y'all may have watched out
in Wyoming in Now a lot ofpeople are wondering where
(01:22):
Dwayne went, so Dwayne may wantto tell them what he's done now.
I disappeared, disappeared outof Wyoming.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
You've got to burn the stump and sift the ashes if
you want to find me.
That's right.
No, we've moved back toKentucky and I mentioned it on
one of the videos but noteverybody sees all the videos
why we moved back from Wyomingto Kentucky.
We loved Wyoming.
Wyoming's beautiful, a lot ofspace, had a lot going for it.
(01:50):
It was just too expensive.
We were up in Sheridan and weof course the school wanting to
do the school, wanting to growthe school.
It takes land when you got aherd of horses that big and we
were having to rent and leaseeverything and we were trying to
buy something and just theprice of real estate was too
(02:11):
rich, we just couldn't do it.
And then my mom's back here inKentucky and we just wanted to
get back closer to her and thefamily.
We've got kids here inKentuckyentucky and dana was
missing the kids and and, uh,there was just a lot of reasons
but mostly, mostly, it was justuh.
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Wyoming was a, was a prettythought and it was a pretty
place, but you can't, uh, youcan't, eat scenery.
It fits your lifestyle.
For a while it did and you knowit still would.
It was just right.
Now northern wyoming is um,it's not an affordable place.
If you go out to work a job andget paid a salary and they put
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you up on a ranch, that's adifferent story.
But to go out and try to starta business and and it just it
wasn't.
So we had to step back andrestructure and start over.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
I'll never forget pulling into that place out
there, though yeah, I still gotthat picture in my mind.
Yeah, where you lived out there.
Oh, it's beautiful, unreal yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
I still have a picture in my mind of when I
paid over a year of rent forthat place.
The house, beautiful house.
You go ahead then.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
Yeah, pulling in there.
Yeah, that house was gorgeous.
Yeah, the land, the mountains.
It just really fit what you wasdoing, right, but sometimes
fitting what you're doing ain'tfinancially.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
Well, sometimes fitting on paper isn't fitting
in reality that's right.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
I didn't really know before I went out there that you
was from Kentucky.
Normally it's where you wasborn.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
Seven generations.
I was a seventh generation onmy dad's side and I don't know
exactly how many, but probablyseven or eight generations on my
mom's side, my mom and dad wereborn and raised in neighboring
counties here.
You happier here.
You think, yeah, I'm more atpeace here.
It's like I'm back in my ownculture, yeah and uh.
(04:10):
So yeah, we're, we're doingreally well.
It's gonna be good, yeah, andmaybe eventually get training
some horses down here well, Ibought one this week from I
don't know where you bought, Idon't know.
I bought a two-year-old fromSteven this week.
He'd just been started.
He's a draft cross, littledraft Spanish breed of some sort
(04:31):
, cross Gentle, nice gentlelittle horse, kind of that
shorter.
He's going to be that shorterstockier type horse that I
prefer.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
I loved him.
When I seen him.
Yeah, I didn't think you'd buyhim, though that shocked me more
than anything.
Yeah, you walked in there andlooked at him and you're like I
think I'll take that horse.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
Yeah, most of my most successful horse deals have
been like that.
It's just been I see a horseand I'm like there's something
about that horse I like.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
You've got a plan for him, though.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
I'm going to spend the summer turning them into
just an excellent Dwayne-type,dwayne-approved trail horse.
All around, all-around trailhorse.
Everything Just bomb-proof.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
You've got some hills and hollers to ride in now
instead of that prairie.
That's right.
So you'll have to get used tothem and hollers and gullies and
rivers.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
I'll tell you what Kentucky has, one thing that the
part of Wyoming we were indidn't have, and that's trees.
Mom and I both missed the treesa lot.
I love riding on trails throughthe woods and the trees and
stuff, but yeah, so plan onusing him this summer on videos
(05:39):
and make videos, training videos, bringing him along so folks
can see what it takes to turn ahorse like that into the kind of
horse that, in my opinion, isthe perfect trail horse.
I'm excited to see how it turnsout.
If he turns out good, thenwe'll sell him this fall or next
spring or something.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Oh, he'll turn out good.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
Yeah, he's going to be good.
Well, I'm afraid he'll turn outtoo good and I won't want to
let him go.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Or your wife won't let.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
My wife won't let him go.
She loves her horses.
Yeah, you can tell.
Yeah, I asked her when we gotready to leave the house.
I'm like what's your plan today?
she said stand out in thepasture and brush horses hey,
nothing wrong with that, yeah,we brought them down from from
his place where they'd been fora little while until we got down
and got the pasture fixed andthey come in, and they were all
muddy and cockle burrs and fromyou know, being out there in the
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in the woods and stuff, and shewas like, nope, I got to brush
horses today.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
So she'll clean them up.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
Yeah, she'll clean them up.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Yeah, that's good man , that's good.
You got a nice herd though.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
I love that gorilla.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Oh yeah, mouse, he's, he's, uh, he's our top chef,
when he came off that trailer Iwas like that's a horse so
that's another horse when I justsee him immediately.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
We had our first year of school in tennessee.
We had a, a family of threecome out from te Okay and they
brought four horses and theybrought him as a spare for the
school in case one of theirhorses went lame or something
happened.
And so I'm standing thereunloading the horses off the
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trailer and when they backed himout I said to myself self I bet
that horse don't leave thisfarm.
And when he come out of thetrailer I'm like I'm going to
buy that horse before they leave.
And I did.
You bought that horse, don'tleave this farm.
And when he come out of thetrailer I'm like I'm going to
buy that horse before they leave.
And I did.
You bought that horse, I boughtthat horse.
That horse is one of thosehorses that I can put a
two-year-old grandbaby on thathorse or I can get on that horse
(07:37):
and go move cattle.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
You know do what?
Speaker 3 (07:40):
anybody, whatever he's not a fast horse, he's not
a real athletic.
Anybody whatever he's not afast horse.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
He's not a real athletic.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
He's only 10, 11 years old, I think, but as far
as just solid and dependable,that's a priceless horse right
there.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
When I think of horses, though, and what they're
supposed to be, that is a horse.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
He's the size, the shape, the confirmation, the
mentality, the mind, everything.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
I'm talking too, though what you said.
You can put a two-year-old onit.
Yes, and it's that kind ofhorse you can turn around and go
to the mountains, go ropingjust all around, just all around
.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
They were trying to turn him into a roping horse,
the folks I bought him from.
And he like a competition arenacalf roping horse and he like a
competition arena calf ropinghorse and he's like why?
And he just wouldn't turn thatextra thing of speed on to go
get the calf.
You know, he's kind of got thatchilled, laid back.
Look at life.
(08:35):
It's like if we don't get itdone tomorrow.
If we don't get it done today,we'll do it tomorrow.
You know, yeah and so.
But we've moved cattle, We'veherded cattle on him and he
actually we went up out ofLodgegrass, Montana, a couple
months ago to help a ranchermove a bunch of cattle.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
They can actually watch that video on your channel
.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
Yes, it's on Deanna's channel.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Yes, dry Creek, mama Dry Creek.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
Mama, and he got to the point where he would walk up
to them, little fellas in theback, and pin his ears and reach
out or he'd boop them with hisnose.
He started herding them andbooping them.
Hey, you know, he knew this wasExactly.
Yeah, and that's what I like toturn this new one into a horse
that I can put a grandbaby on,or I can go move cattle or go up
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in the mountains, whatever Iwant to do Drive him too.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
He's supposed to be able to drive.
I want to see you drive a cart.
Yeah, that'd be pretty cool.
Big cigar and driving a cartyeah, highway yeah, that'd be
pretty neat.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
I'll have to shave my beard, otherwise he'll think
I'm think you're amish orsomething.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
No, you got the mustache.
Oh well, there you go.
Amish have no mustache, sothat'd be better.
Tell them a little bit, for mysubscribers and yours know, of
course, but you've got your mainchannel, rock Creek Wrangler
School.
Tell them about your new thingyou're doing, because some of my
people may want to get on thereand check that out.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
Well, we started about I don't know, six months
ago.
We have a second channel, it'scalled Tack Room Bible Talk.
We have a second channel, it'scalled Tac Room Bible Talk.
It's just a simple.
Some folks don't think it's asimple, but it's just the gospel
Just talking about simpledoctrines in the Bible and
(10:18):
taking away all the noise, allthe confusion, all the fluff,
all the lack of common sense andjust breaking it down and
saying, look, this is what it is, this is what it says.
It's the same approach and thesame simplicity of everything I
approach on Dry Creek ReindeerSchool, but it's faith-based,
just real Bible study.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
That's pretty much what it is.
Yeah, and it's great, guys, Ilisten to it, I love it.
It's just Dwayne absolutelybreaking down the Bible how he
sees it.
Yeah, and you can make yourjudgment too.
That's what it's about, sothat's a super good channel.
And then your wife has herchannel.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
Yep, she has her channel.
She doesn't post very much,she's very shy.
It's hard to get her in frontof a camera.
I think she does good, she doesgreat, and I tell her she does
great.
Maybe she'll come around, well,maybe.
Uh, I hope so, but yeah, sowe've got those three, and then
also you have your.
You're on all podcast platformswith your podcast yeah, and
(11:11):
basically right now what thepodcast is.
I've got a, a company, and theyjust take the youtube videos
and strip the audio and put iton the podcast um, that works,
though, like people driving downthe road, they want to put it
on their car.
I've had people say you knowwhen they're working in the
garage and cleaning the garageor whatever, and they can't
watch it, they just listen to it.
So it works out.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
It's great, it's super good.
Yeah, then of course, we gotour youtube channel, haste draft
horses and mules.
Everybody subscribe to that ifyou like watching me and henry
run around on horses and dothings all around.
So so we do have a lot of funon there.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
And then we'll be teaming up here in a couple
months.
I'm looking forward to that,yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
March 11th, 12th and 13th we're having a clinic at
our place in Liberty atHaystraft, horses and Mules.
It's a private clinic.
Rural Heritage is sponsoring it.
A lot of y'all may have heardof Rural Heritage Magazine.
They used to be on RFD TV.
They have a YouTube channel,rural Heritage Check them out.
But they're sponsoring thisclinic.
(12:10):
They're actually going to bethere and doing some filming,
doing some editorial write-upsand things, and Dwayne is going
to be there as a guest speakeron Thursday and that'll be
Thursday afternoon or wheneverDwayne shows up.
So it is a private clinic clinic.
It's not open to the public.
We hope to do something open tothe public at some point where
everybody can come, but this ismore of a private teamster
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clinic one-on-one learningeverything about driving a horse
and just basic horsemanship,holding the lines right.
And I do have a couple spotsleft.
We're recording this on what istoday's date I don't even know
january something, january 29th,29th so we'll probably post
this sometime here within thenext week.
(12:53):
So if you listen to this andyou want to come to that clinic,
you can give me a call, checkthe website, email me.
Whatever, we do have two spotsleft and you can come be a part
of it.
Learn a lot and just live aneveryday draft horse life.
It's going to be a lot of fun.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
Now my part's not driving, your part is going to
be just, it's just basic adriving horse or a riding horse.
It's a horse, it is.
And I've ridden horses inafrica.
I've ridden horses um in china,ridden horse over the United
States, and everywhere I go.
A horse is a horse is a horse.
(13:27):
And the thing that you can'tunderstand about the horse that
you're trying to drive is thesame things that a lot of people
don't understand about a horsethey're trying to ride.
So, true, basic, foundationalhorsemanship crosses all
boundaries, and so what I'll bedoing is just talking about the
horsemanship side of thingsitself with the horse,
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regardless of whether you'redriving or riding and just
talking about duane stuff.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
What duane does dry creek?
Stuff yeah so it's going to begood.
It's going to be super good.
Yeah, maybe we can con duanehaving a clinic somewhere this
year on his own.
I.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
I might do one this year.
A lot of folks are asking we'renot doing the school this year
because of relocation.
We're not set up for the schoollogistically and physically and
we learned from the last threeyears things that work, things
that don't work.
And so 2025, I've got a lot ofirons in the fire and we've got
(14:29):
a lot of um things that we'vegot to restructure for the
school as far as logisticallyand so hopefully we'll be set up
and we can just start over inthe spring of 26, but there
we're not doing anythingphysically for the school in
2025.
I know I've gotten a lot ofquestions about that.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Also, dwayne may have needed a break too for a year,
just to have some Dwayne time.
You know what?
Speaker 3 (14:51):
Dwayne's biggest problem was in school.
What People If they would justsend me their money, you know,
and then I could just send themsomething, it would have been so
great.
No, but the people have beengreat.
In three years we've had threeproblem students.
That's all.
(15:12):
Of course, part of it knowseverybody who's come.
90% of them 99% are familiarwith kind of who and what Dwayne
is from the channel, so theyknow when they come.
It's like we're not going tocause any trouble here.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
How many people did you say you took through there
in a year?
Speaker 3 (15:28):
Over a hundred five a week every week, except for
when we take breaks in between.
For however many months we didit?
For three years we did that andeverybody lived in my house.
I wound up moving out to thetax shed.
I put a cot in the tax shed.
I've been for a while down inthe living quarters horse
(15:48):
trailer because I just couldn'tsleep, and so we're going to
reset up.
But there's going to beseparate bunkhouses and stuff.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
That would be nice.
Yeah, it would Build, buy a newplace, set it up where you got.
Somebody can, somebody can'tbuy a new place and build these
bunkhouses.
I can see it.
Yeah, big dry creek thing overa creek.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
Oh, yeah, yeah they're pretty nice.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
it would be nice because people need what you're
doing.
They just need it.
Yeah, they want it right.
You've got a way about yourhorsemanship, your mentality.
They see it on your channel.
Yeah, yeah, and you help peopleLike you talk about helping the
young boys.
He was talking about how peoplewas taking TikTok.
You don't even have a TikTok,no, and you're all over TikTok.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
Yeah, and I let them do it because it's not about for
me.
I didn't start the channel tomake money.
I didn't know you could makemoney, are you serious?
Oh man, I.
I was up to 60 000 subscribersand my friend asked me like
you're monetizing that right?
What are you talking about?
(16:58):
He said you can make money offyour youtube channel.
I was like I had no idea.
That's not why I started it.
So I had probably 60,000subscribers maybe not that many
before I ever even found outabout monetization.
And so for me it's like youknow, and that is simultaneously
(17:21):
, it's my biggest asset and it'smy biggest handicap.
True, you know.
It's like, yeah, I could if Ihad more of a business sense, if
I had more, um, business minded.
I know I could do so much more.
You know getting land and allthis stuff, but I just I can't
(17:41):
find it in me to be willing toput in the effort to learn and
to fuss with that stuff.
I just can't find it in me tobe willing to put in the effort
to learn and to fuss with thatstuff.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
It's just not you just be you, I just be me.
Well, it's working.
Yeah, being you is working.
Yeah, majorly.
Yeah, I think it's.
I don't want to say people'swanting to be like you, but I
think people's really seeing adifferent side of somebody
they've never seen before.
Well, it's, but I thinkpeople's really seeing a
different side of somebodythey've never seen before.
Well, it's a plain type personthat has morals.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
Well, I mean, that may be some of it, but I think
it's there.
They're seeing a side of anapproach to life that's right.
That could give them a bit ofthe you know the piece, Just
because I've jettisoned thewhole rat race.
You know, and people have beentold in this country and this
(18:30):
culture for generations, notonly can you not do that, but
it's morally wrong.
True, All right, and they say,well, this guy did it.
You know, maybe I can Just kindof scale back a little bit,
chill out a little bit, shift mypriorities and maybe life
(18:52):
doesn't have to be so crazy.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
Yeah, it's a crazy lifestyle nowadays.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
My grandmother, my dad's mom, here in Kentucky, her
and my granddad.
They passed years ago, but shewas a tight person and my dad's
told this story many times.
She could not be still so inKentucky back in their period,
back in their time, whether youwent to church or not, you did
not work on Sunday, all right,it's the Lord's day.
(19:19):
It was disrespectful, so shecouldn't go to the fields.
You know she couldn't go to thefields, she couldn't go do this
stuff, and so on Sunday,instead of resting and relaxing,
she would just walk the fieldsand walk the pastures.
And she had four major heartattacks by the time she was 40
years old.
Four she just could not relax,couldn't chill out.
(19:43):
There's a lot of people likethat today and there's yeah.
I know, you run like crazy, dude.
I can't hang with you, man.
It's like here's Steven.
Steven's doing it.
Well, I'll see him next week,but he's going to be running the
roads and he's doing all this.
His phone keeps ringing nonstop.
I like it.
I'm like I can't live like that.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
It's vibrating the whole time we've been recording
this podcast.
Oh, I don't doubt it, it's stopon the drive over here to
lexington.
It's business.
Yeah, I love my customers y'all.
Yeah, he does.
I'm not y'all call me anytime,but yeah, it's how we make a
living you know that.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
Yeah, no, I think it's I.
I'm not talking, I'm nottalking down on it, I'm just
saying I myself, you couldn't doit, I can't do it, don't want
to do it, wouldn't do it.
I'd rather pick up aluminumcans on the side of the road to
buy a biscuit than to live likethat and make all the half holes
of money that you're making.
I'm like I just can't.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
I guess the good Lord made us all different for a
reason, and it's a good thing,that's right.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
It's a good thing.
You know, if the world was alot more people were like me,
the world would be a boringplace.
Not, it'd be boring Pretty slowBecause race it might.
It'd be boring pretty slowbecause you'd have, like the
entire human race would bespending most of the time
sitting on the porch drinkingcoffee, smoking a cigar and
looking off into space andthinking thoughts speaking of
coffee, did you bring yourcoffee in?
(21:02):
Uh, it's in that bag down therewe got the coffee.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
Now, speaking of coffee, I want to show you all
this, what duane does.
This is duane's coffee brand.
I want him to tell you a littlebit about it well.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
So this company, this is juniper mountain coffee.
Uh, they contacted me severalmonths ago and said hey, we want
to sponsor your channel.
We like what you're doing.
So I looked them up, I'm like,okay, they're, it's a small
family operation, very um,they're, they're um, what's the
word I want?
Mine just went blank.
(21:37):
Their convictions, the way theylive, is very much in order
with mine.
And so we did, and we had avery good, a very good
relationship.
And then they called me againand said we want to come up with
your own roast.
And they said what do you wantin a roast that has your name on
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it?
And I said I want it dark and Iwant it rich, but I do not want
it to taste burnt.
If you want burnt tastingcoffee, you can go get something
with a mermaid on the front ofit.
And so they roasted 20, 20different new roasts and sent me
the three they thought wasclosest what I wanted.
So we tried those three and wesaid this is what we want.
(22:20):
And so this is not a uh, thisis not a white tag, this isn't
something they have, and theyjust put our name on it.
This is a new, original roastfor us um, it's wrangler roast,
it's dark roast.
The x is all the over here, tothe far right as far as you can
get.
It's very, very rich and verydark, kind of molassesy, um and
(22:42):
but, but without being burnt.
And so here recently, deannaand I have just become uh, we've
actually become part owners inthis company, which we're
extremely proud of.
That's awesome, and so you cango on Juniper Mountain.
They've got a website andcoffee cups, but this is a
coffee we drink at home.
This is what we got, but thisis something we've been working
(23:05):
on.
We're very pleased with.
Now they also have a lightroast too, don't they?
They have several differentroasts.
Yeah, they have something astep down from this, a little
more palatable.
I worked in Alaska IndustrialHardware in Alaska years ago and
my boss a really good guy.
(23:26):
He was a retired Navy officerand he drank his coffee really
thin, really weak, and his wife,a wonderful lady.
She was from Arizona or NewMexico and she was a delight.
She was tough, and so I hadmade the coffee one when I got
(23:50):
there before he did, and so Igot in there first and made the
coffee the way I like it, andhe'd come out one day and he's
like who made this coffee?
It's too strong.
And his wife was in business.
She said Floyd, there ain't nosuch thing as strong coffee,
there's only weak men.
So we do have.
There is light.
(24:10):
They do have lighter rosecoffee and they have special
batch.
Stuff comes in from around theworld.
That's just a one-shot,one-time deal.
So there's a lot of good stufftheir packaging is good looking.
Everything they do, they have wehave spent.
I'm going to say we we havespent a lot of extra money.
All of the coffee roasters thatwe use, all of the grinders,
everything is American-made.
(24:31):
None of the equipment used tomake this coffee's been shipped
in from overseas.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
It's all american made I like that right there and
uh, yes, in god, we try verymuch it's nice.
Yeah, where can they buy this?
Speaker 3 (24:46):
um, you can go on juniper mountain uh caught the
juniper mountain website andorder it from them.
Or if you go to our website,drycreekwranglerscom, we have a
shopping section where you canbuy the coffee you know, along
with the wool vests and thedenim shirts and everything that
I wear all the time.
(25:07):
That stuff's on there, andyou've got T-shirts on there too
.
Yeah, there's T-shirts on thereand canvas, wax, canvas, ball,
canvas and I've seen a Zippolighter on there too.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
yeah, there's t-shirts on there and canvas wax
canvas ball and I've seen azippo lighter on there there are
um zippos with the with thelogo on it these cups.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
Didn't intend to turn this into a big marketing thing
, but yeah it's there yeah, wealso just recently put merch on
our website.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Right, we got a guy out of thermopolis wyoming
laser's edge kenny.
Yeah, he's doing our merch.
You know, we got hats and cupsand shirts and things.
So if you're interested in anyof that kind of thing for the
podcast, we actually got podcastT-shirts on there.
Harness Up Podcast with ourlogo.
Go towwwdrafthorsesandmulesforsalecom
.
You click on Merchandise andfind it all on there.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
I'm going to balance this out on the other side.
Okay, I just soon not do thisreally.
I mean, I we're not making anymoney on it.
It's not worth the headache andit's just something else I have
to keep up with.
Yeah, and we signed a contractwith the merchants and
merchandising company for twoyears, so I'm stuck but the
coffee, though the coffee I likethe coffee and and and uh, yeah
, and the cups is part of thecoffee, but I mean as far the
coffee.
I like the coffee and, yeah, andthe cups is part of the coffee,
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but I mean as far as theT-shirts and caps and stuff it
just wears me out.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
That's why I give all mine to Kenny.
Yeah, he does it all.
I don't do nothing.
Yeah, it's kind of peaceful.
I can't keep up with all thehorse calls.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
I've got to keep up with them.
First, you know, that's whatmattered horse and mule calls.
Well, that's it.
I think sometimes this otherstuff, when we try to expand, it
just becomes a distraction.
You know, I think it's just adistraction.
We tried it.
We had some guys come through,stay with us Really good guys,
good friends, and all they wenton and on and on Because we were
wanting to buy land.
They're like man, if you startmerchandising you'll just blow
up.
You'll have so much money comein because your channel is so
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big.
And then that's how you financegetting land to build the
school.
It ain't hardly even paying foritself.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
It's so much easier just to put a YouTube video on
and let it take care of itself.
That's what I do.
Yeah, it works so easy.
I'm just in my.
I'm in my schedule, yeah yeahvideo.
I go home, I edit, I put it on.
We sell horses and mules and,yeah, I don't have time to fool
with this stuff.
Yeah, I dropped the bomb onthis podcast.
Sorry to everybody that'swatched this and listened to it.
(27:32):
I didn't record a podcast fromSeptember until now.
Oh, because we just got so busy.
You got people coming every daybuying horses, looking at
horses, mules, shipping them out, vet work with Coggins.
I mean, it's just, we sellharness.
Yeah, we sell wagons.
It's sometimes more work thanit's worth.
Yeah, like you're saying, allthe extra add-ons, but it helps.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
When we sell a team to somebody, they can buy
everything from us, right, andit just works well, I just I for
me, I just flap my gums, I justtalk and, if it helps, I had a
guy call yesterday.
He called me, he'd been astudent the first year and we
talked a couple times and he washaving trouble with a horse and
he had my number and he calledand so I talked and kind of
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pointed out, helped him throughit, and for me that's just what
I want to do.
If I, you know, if a duffel bagfell out of the sky with a
bunch of $100 bills in it, I'ddemonetize everything and just
do what I want to do.
I just don't care about it.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
I noticed something yesterday major about you.
We was in that paddock gettingthat cold out.
Yeah, the cold you boughtMm-hmm.
You was talking to that coldlike you was teaching him.
Like you was teaching a student.
You was trying to get him tocome through the gate.
Yeah, he was teaching him likehe was teaching a student.
He was trying to get him tocome through the gate.
Yeah, and he was pressurereleasing him.
Yeah, he was telling him.
He was talking it while he wasdoing it.
(28:58):
Yeah, I don't know if he'strying to teach us or the cult,
yeah, but it was so smooth howhe just he give into you yeah,
it was something to see yeah, hejust pressure release and he
finally just dropped that headright through, followed you
right around, right into thattrailer yeah, well, it's become
a habit.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
Yeah, um, because, uh , you know, when I'm teaching
the classes and or I'm doing thevideos, it's you know, I I
can't, and it's it's difficultto do.
It's really difficult to splityour mind up like that to
concentrate on what you're doing, to verbalize it, you know and
whatnot.
But that's I had last year inthe school.
(29:44):
I had the students out at thearena and I was on a horse and I
was talking through it, but Iwas also doing kind of like I do
on the on the channel.
I was kind of relating it youknow what the horse is going
through to what people are goingthrough in life.
And I had two students breakdown in tears.
Why?
(30:07):
Because they're like this iswhere they were in their life.
It's like all of a sudden theyrelated so much to what the
horse was going through and theanswer that the horse was
getting from that problem, theanswer I was giving the horse,
and just a calm, gentle, direct,simplistic way.
(30:28):
It just applied and so muchthat they were going through it.
Just it just opened everythingup.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
That's pretty special .
Speaker 3 (30:34):
Really'm to see.
That's just what.
That's what I, you know, when Ihave those special moments in
the class, when something likethat, or when a horse, you know,
you see that light, come on, Itell deanna I'm like I'd rather
do this than eat.
I mean sleep and breathe thosemoments and I do everything else
so that while I'm doing allthis other stuff, those moments
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happen.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
It's a rush, ain't it ?
For me, it's addictive.
Yeah, it's like you crave, feelthat moment yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
Well, I just you know , I love it when people find the
answers that they need.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
When we do those clinics it's amazing how people
come together.
You'll see it yeah, we've didseveral of them.
The people that's at thatclinic, you see them, they're
still best friends.
Yeah, like they comment backand forth on all the videos and
they talk privately.
They're just, they get so closein those three or four days,
like when you bring commonpeople together with common
(31:33):
interests, good things happenand it always just turns out to
be the best time at our clinics.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
We've had students you know we'd have five at a
time and they're strangers fromall over spend the week together
and they get done.
They're like let's book a weeknext year for just us.
The same five together, samefive together.
Yeah, absolutely.
Us, the same five, same fivetogether.
(31:59):
Yeah, absolutely.
And horses are a fantasticmedium for people to come
together and for people to getanswers in themselves.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
Have you ever done a clinic where people bring their
own horse to your clinic?
Speaker 3 (32:08):
Our first year of school people brought their own
horse.
They were welcome to do so anda lot more people brought their
own horses.
A lot of people wanted to bringthe horses to Wyoming but the
distance wouldn't let them.
They were afraid to.
It's kind of it's a littleoverpowering, a little
intimidating, if you're not realexperienced, to trailer up a
(32:33):
couple of horses and go fromMichigan to Wyoming.
So I didn't have very many inWyoming, I had very few.
They were welcome to undercertain guidelines.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
But I didn't.
Did you have a lot ofinternational people come to the
school?
Speaker 3 (32:47):
I did A lot of from the Netherlands, Denmark,
Austria.
Wow yeah, we had a lot of folksflying from overseas.
This year our Canadian businesshas went up so much, we had
several Canadians come throughtoo.
Lots of.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
Canadians are buying.
We're shipping a lot up there,right?
If they ever get that exchangefixed, we'd ship a whole lot
more up there.
Yeah, right now it's so farapart.
Sure, it's ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
Really unreal.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
Right, the amount of money Right, which I try to give
them a break and help thembecause they do have to pay so
much to get them there with feesand international health papers
, and there's a lot that goesinto it Right.
And there's a lot that goesinto it Right.
Sold my first team to Mexico inDecember.
Wow, mexico City.
Shout out to you all down there.
They bought a team.
We shipped them down to MexicoCity.
(33:41):
I'd like to go down theresometime and visit.
Yeah, I've spent time downthere.
Speaker 3 (33:45):
I love it.
You've been everywhere.
My wife and I looked at a bigranch down there.
We thought about buying it,Really yeah, and we could have
afforded it.
But I'm like I can't move allthis down there and then we've
got to start all over again.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Out of all the places you've lived, what's your
favorite place?
Speaker 3 (34:04):
Africa.
Well, I didn't live in Africa.
I spent a month there, but allthe places I've ever been,
africa was my—Botswana, southAfrica, botsw been africa was my
botswana, south africa.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
Botswana is a country north of south africa, okay,
and east of namibia.
Speaker 3 (34:23):
I loved it how long was you there?
A month.
He's in mongolia too, no,somewhere.
No, I was in china.
China, uh, right there wherechina, north korea and r Russia
all meet at that point.
Spent a month there.
The people were wonderful, butI wouldn't want to live there.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
Out of all the horse things you've done.
You've been in this your wholelife.
Speaker 3 (34:44):
No, but since I was in my 20s, I wasn't raised in
this, really no.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
I was not.
You would think you was.
Speaker 3 (34:48):
Yeah, it's what I always wanted to do, but I had
to wait until I was grown andleft home and go pursue it.
I was not raised in this.
What was your first horse?
My first horse was a littlequarter horse, red Dunmare,
named Baby.
I bought out of Emporia, kansas.
(35:09):
My cowboy friend told me when Iwas looking at the horse.
He said don't ever buy a horsefrom a woman.
He was a crusty old guy.
He said never buy a horse froma woman and never buy a horse
named Baby or Pumpkin or Sweetieor Sweetheart.
Well, I bought this horse froma woman named Baby.
She was two-year-old, wasn'tbroke and she was snaky.
(35:32):
Yeah, she was a mare.
But yeah, that was my firsthorse.
You think she learned you a lot.
Oh, she taught me.
She taught me so much.
She taught me how not to buyhorses.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
And that's something you need to know.
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:49):
She broke my thumb.
The day I bought her.
I went to load her in a horsetrailer and she wouldn't load up
and I didn't know what I wasdoing.
I mean, I had been cowboying Iwasn't when I bought my first
horse I had been wrangling, Ihad been packing in the
mountains, I had worked on acattle ranch, but always using
their horses.
This is the first horse Ibought, so I wasn't completely
(36:11):
green and ignorant the horses.
But I didn't know and so I wentto load her in the trailer.
She broke my thumb and and Igot so mad I was furious, I had
that's back when I had a badtemper and so I went in bang.
I dropped the trailer off mytruck and and I went and banked
(36:34):
on the door of the house thatpeople had bought the horse.
I said the horse is right thereand the trailer is right there.
I said if the horse goes in thetrailer, you call me and I'll
come back and get her.
I was mad and I drove away.
I left the horse, I left the$2,000 I'd paid for the horse
and I drove away.
I went home.
About an hour later she calledme.
She said well.
(36:59):
The hour later she called me.
She said well, the mayor's inthe trailer come back.
So that, yeah, so yeah, shetaught me a lot.
Because I'm like this is nothow this is supposed to work.
I've got to, I got to figurethis out and by the time I got
done with her, I lead her upwith the lead rope, open the
back door, throw the lead ropeover back and say get in the
trailer.
And she and she'd walk in andgo.
I mean, I learned, but shetaught me A lot, yeah, a lot.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
Who's been your biggest inspiration in your
training?
Buck Brandman, really.
Speaker 3 (37:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
All the way.
Speaker 3 (37:27):
I started out with others and I gained from
everybody as I went, all right.
But when it came, when Ifinally discovered him and he
don't, I'm not dropping names,he don't know me, I don't know
him All right, it's justwatching his stuff and his his,
the philosophical approach ofthe relationship and the mind of
(37:48):
the horse, and understandingthe instinct of the horse and
working within the horse'sinstinct and how they feel and
how they think, everything justbegan to click and fall into
place and he has had moreinfluence um on on my
horsemanship than anybody.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
That's good.
I like watching him too.
I used to watch him a lot.
Speaker 3 (38:09):
He's really really good and I, you know, I get
something from all of themexcept one we won't go into that
we don't have to.
No, we won't.
You can tell me later.
I'll tell you later.
I'd like to know who it is.
But, yeah, no, I've picked bitsand pieces because I'm Dwayne.
Yeah, I'm not Buck Branaman.
I'm not Pat Pirelli.
I'm not Warwick Schiller, I'mnot Chris Cox, I'm not Chris Cox
(38:34):
, I'm not any of these guys.
Part of the reason why whatthey do works for them is
because it's within the confinesof who they are and I'm not
them.
But I can take the part of themthat they do that fits within
the box of who I am, and takethat piece and that piece and
that piece and this piece andcreate the horsemanship that
(38:56):
works for who Dwayne that's sotrue.
Speaker 2 (38:59):
Um, that's why I tell people all the time they're
like why do you do this this way?
Why don't you do it this way,like putting collars on?
Yeah or anything on putting theharness on a horse, right?
I tell them there's no right orwrong way, right, if it works
for you, right, and it works forthat horse, that's the right
way to do it.
Speaker 3 (39:15):
Well, you, you know, I've been doing this for three
years and one thing you'll neversee you'll never see anything
that says Dwayne Noelhorsemanship.
There is no such thing.
There's only Dwayne Noelhorsemanship for Dwayne Noel.
True, okay, buck Branamanhorsemanship works for Buck
(39:35):
Branaman, all right.
But John Smith cannot just pickup Buck Branaman horsemanship
and turn it into his and be 100%successful because he's John
Smith.
He needs to develop John Smithhorsemanship Now.
He can use as much of Branamanstuff that works for him.
But if you take one person andyou see them all right, you see
(39:57):
people who have a particularhorse clinician.
They've got all the, theconchos on the bridles with the
initials and the and the flagsand all the special things that
come along and it's like that'stheir guru.
You know and and I've never metone yet that was 100%
successful these followers ofthese guys, because when they
(40:20):
hit a particular character andpersonality wall that they can't
get through, that this personcan, they can't turn around and
develop their own part of that.
Okay, yeah.
Pat Pirelli's horsemanship onlyworks 100% successfully for Pat
Pirelli.
All right, and it works.
(40:41):
It works, it does.
But we, as horsemen, we have todevelop the horsemanship that
works for us, based on who weare and the amount of
sensitivity towards the horsethat we have, the amount of
experience that we have, what wehave.
We have to develop what worksfor us.
(41:03):
That's true, that's so true.
So that was a long answer to ashort question.
It was a good answer.
Speaker 2 (41:10):
That's the truth.
You have to develop.
Even growing up, I played a lotof music Played banjo and
mandolin.
You know you mentor a lot ofmusic, right, played banjo and
mandolin.
You know you mentor after allthese people.
Right, you want to sound likethem, play like them, right.
Ultimately, though, you've gotto have your own style and put
your own way into what they'redoing.
Same thing, yeah, and that'sjust a very true statement.
(41:30):
Right, very true.
Yeah, very true.
So you're glad to be back inKentucky.
Speaker 3 (41:35):
I am.
We're down there on that creekand just on that farm and just
peaceful.
It's just back home.
Back home, yeah, is mama happy?
Mama's just delighted.
She went yesterday.
She took the truck and wentinto the neighboring town and
spent the day with my mom andwith our daughter.
(41:55):
Now, I was talking about yourmom, oh, my mom, my mom's
ecstatic To have you back home.
Yeah, I'm the only boy.
Speaker 2 (42:02):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (42:03):
I'm the oldest so I'm her baby boy and don't tell the
others, but I think I'm herfavorite kid.
I'm the baby boy too.
We won't tell my youngersisters.
But no, no, my mom's ecstatic,she's very happy, that's good.
Speaker 2 (42:16):
Well, I'm excited to see how you do with that colt.
I'm really excited about it.
Speaker 3 (42:20):
I am too.
I like him.
I think he's got a good mindand a good temperament and I
think we can do something withhim.
Speaker 2 (42:24):
You're going to have to do a whole series on your
YouTube channel of this colt.
That's what I'm going to do howhe turns.
Anything else you want to sayin closing, Dwayne?
Speaker 3 (42:37):
No, I'm going to mention we've got our own Dry
Creek Wrangler signature saddles.
Yes, that is true, made by BenGeisler and my design, and so
you can if you're interested inthat, you can contact us through
(42:58):
the channel or something.
But each one's made custom byhand, one at a time, by Ben and
uh, so it's a Wade saddle, it'sall rough out and it's got the
things on it that I have foundover all my years that what I
wanted the perfect, all roundsaddle If you're cowboying, if
you're packing, if you're justtrail riding, if you're
cowboying, if you're packing, ifyou're just trail riding, if
you're wrangling dudes thesaddle has what you need to do
(43:21):
it and and it's like, and it'shigh quality, is the best out
there.
You know it's made here in thestates, uh, with us material and
by one of the top saddle makersin the business.
Speaker 2 (43:35):
You need to start teaching these boys back east
what packing is.
That's not a thing around here.
No, it's not Nothing aroundhere.
Nobody packs.
Yeah, you should get a bunch ofmules together in a string and
haul everybody's deer out.
This kind of deer season Packdeer out, yeah.
Speaker 3 (43:50):
Teach them how to do it.
Yeah, you know, out westthere's actually guys who they
have that business.
Speaker 2 (43:56):
Oh, yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (43:57):
You could do it.
Speaker 2 (43:57):
Yeah, Because here these hollers and hills,
somebody shoots a big buck andit goes way down.
Yeah, I don't know why theydon't think of it.
Put it on a mule and pack itout Bring it out.
Yeah, it'd be so much better.
They winch it out the hill withthe dozer.
(44:19):
You know who he is too.
Okay, you do too.
The guy behind the camera.
He's done it before.
But yeah, it's um.
Yeah, it's just a differentworld.
Speaker 3 (44:32):
Yeah, I've seen it traveling back and forth well,
now there's this big hurricanewent through and wiped out North
Carolina.
Their packers went in therewith mules and were packing
supplies in and rescuing peoplewith mules in those mountains
and all that stuff, but theycouldn't get anything else in
there.
Speaker 2 (44:51):
I've seen that yeah absolutely.
They probably come from thewest, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (44:55):
I don't know either.
That would have been neat,though.
Yeah, probably come from theWest.
Speaker 2 (44:57):
I don't know.
I don't know either that wouldhave been neat though.
Yeah, well, that was tragicdown there.
Yeah, golly, we took a load ofstuff down there to Irwin,
tennessee and that was somethingto see.
I've never seen damage likethat in my life.
Speaker 3 (45:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (45:10):
From a flood?
Speaker 3 (45:11):
Yeah, but pack strings and pack mules.
They're not obsolete.
No, they're not, no.
And the skill as a packer isnot obsolete.
Speaker 2 (45:22):
It's hard to find anybody back here that does it.
Yeah, it is an art.
It's not just throwingsomething on a mule and packing
it.
You've got to know what you'redoing.
It's definitely an art.
Yep, are you Sawbuck?
Speaker 3 (45:36):
or Decker, either one .
I started out with Decker, butfor me tying a Manny usually is
not worth the effort.
Yeah, and to just hook, ifyou're just doing simple stuff,
if you're just not doing complexloads, just putting soft-sided
panniers on Sawbuck is wayeasier.
Speaker 2 (45:56):
I got a Decker I bought in Salmon Idaho.
Yeah, still got it.
We don't ever use it hardlythough.
Yeah, I wanted to get into packmules and selling them for so
long.
Yeah, because there's a hugemarket for it.
Yeah, but it's just notsomething anybody around here
does.
Speaker 3 (46:13):
No, they don't, but I can help you get into it out
west.
I no, they don't, but I canhelp you get into it out west.
Speaker 2 (46:17):
I know people I'd say you can.
Yeah, I used to sell a lot ofmules out west when I was young,
driving out and selling them,peddling them.
Yeah, the mule market thoughnow has shifted.
Yeah, I do think there's moremules in the west now than east.
Oh, there are, I rode a paint?
Speaker 3 (46:31):
I don't think it was gated.
It A paint?
I don't think it was gated.
It was in the mountains.
It's hard to tell.
A mule up there out of Salmon,Idaho, a couple years ago and
they called it a reigning mule.
Maybe it would if it's hard toknow in the mountains, but they
had paid $25,000 for that ridingmule.
Speaker 2 (46:53):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 3 (46:53):
Yeah, but I enjoyed the heck out of riding her.
Speaker 2 (47:05):
I rode her all over the all over.
We went to the salmon sale twoyears.
We went in 21, 22 and 21.
We had the second highestseller yeah, 20 000 22.
We sold three mules for reallygood money in the 20s but some
of them went in the 40s 60 yeah,yeah, unreal.
There was one guy there I can'tremember his name, super cool
guy.
He had a mule.
He took his dodge truck in thecell ring and loped that mule
(47:28):
and jumped it up into the bed ofthat truck, did spins and
jumped it right back out.
Yeah, that thing went crazy.
Yeah it was.
He worked hard on that mule.
Yeah, what'd you ever do?
Did you ever finish your mule?
Or did you sell her?
Speaker 3 (47:40):
I sold her sold her yeah yeah, I sold her just
before we moved back okay, downhere.
Speaker 2 (47:45):
I remember you had that mule when I was out there.
Speaker 3 (47:47):
Yeah, I rode her.
I rode her quite a bit.
She was in the mountains, shepacked and everything.
Yeah, she was the perfect size.
Yeah she was.
She was a nice mule.
It's just I had to consolidatea bunch of stuff.
I sold a bunch of horses beforewe moved back out here.
Then, like a dummy, I went andstarted buying them again.
Speaker 2 (48:05):
You'll probably buy more.
Probably it's addictive.
Yeah, all right, dwayne,anything else you want?
Speaker 3 (48:11):
to say I don't think so.
Speaker 2 (48:12):
I think we've covered what we wanted to talk about a
little more.
Yeah, if anybody has anyquestions about the clinic, like
I said, call me my number's onthe website.
It's all over the placewwwdrafthorsesandmulesforsalecom
.
Check that out.
Subscribe to my YouTube HasteDraft Horses and Mules if you
want to follow me and what we do.
Subscribe to Dwayne's Dry CreekWrangler School Tackering,
(48:34):
bible Talk all that good stuffand you can watch Dwayne.
He does some really good thingson there.
I enjoy watching it myself.
And if there's anything we canhelp anybody with, give me a
call.
We're here to help you.
Thank you all, god bless andwe'll see you on the next one.
Speaker 1 (48:49):
As another captivating episode of Harness
Up with Haste Draft Horses andMules draws to a close, we
extend our sincere gratitude toour listeners for joining us on
this enlightening journey.
We hope today's discussionshave deepened your appreciation
and understanding of thesemagnificent creatures.
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Speaker 2 (00:56):
Howdy everybody.
Stephen Haste here back withHarness Up Podcast with Haste,
draft, horses and Mules.
Hope everybody's doing good,having a good January.
You may see a familiar facehere if you've watched the
podcast or been on it a while MrDwayne Noel.
How are you, dwayne?
I'm well, sir.
Thank you, good to see you,buddy, glad you're here.
Good to be here.
Dwayne's a good friend now wemet Y'all may have watched out
in Wyoming in Now a lot ofpeople are wondering where
(01:22):
Dwayne went, so Dwayne may wantto tell them what he's done now.
I disappeared, disappeared outof Wyoming.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
You've got to burn the stump and sift the ashes if
you want to find me.
That's right.
No, we've moved back toKentucky and I mentioned it on
one of the videos but noteverybody sees all the videos
why we moved back from Wyomingto Kentucky.
We loved Wyoming.
Wyoming's beautiful, a lot ofspace, had a lot going for it.
(01:50):
It was just too expensive.
We were up in Sheridan and weof course the school wanting to
do the school, wanting to growthe school.
It takes land when you got aherd of horses that big and we
were having to rent and leaseeverything and we were trying to
buy something and just theprice of real estate was too
(02:11):
rich, we just couldn't do it.
And then my mom's back here inKentucky and we just wanted to
get back closer to her and thefamily.
We've got kids here inKentuckyentucky and dana was
missing the kids and and, uh,there was just a lot of reasons
but mostly, mostly, it was justuh.
(02:32):
Wyoming was a, was a prettythought and it was a pretty
place, but you can't, uh, youcan't, eat scenery.
It fits your lifestyle.
For a while it did and you knowit still would.
It was just right.
Now northern wyoming is um,it's not an affordable place.
If you go out to work a job andget paid a salary and they put
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you up on a ranch, that's adifferent story.
But to go out and try to starta business and and it just it
wasn't.
So we had to step back andrestructure and start over.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
I'll never forget pulling into that place out
there, though yeah, I still gotthat picture in my mind.
Yeah, where you lived out there.
Oh, it's beautiful, unreal yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
I still have a picture in my mind of when I
paid over a year of rent forthat place.
The house, beautiful house.
You go ahead then.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
Yeah, pulling in there.
Yeah, that house was gorgeous.
Yeah, the land, the mountains.
It just really fit what you wasdoing, right, but sometimes
fitting what you're doing ain'tfinancially.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
Well, sometimes fitting on paper isn't fitting
in reality that's right.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
I didn't really know before I went out there that you
was from Kentucky.
Normally it's where you wasborn.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
Seven generations.
I was a seventh generation onmy dad's side and I don't know
exactly how many, but probablyseven or eight generations on my
mom's side, my mom and dad wereborn and raised in neighboring
counties here.
You happier here.
You think, yeah, I'm more atpeace here.
It's like I'm back in my ownculture, yeah and uh.
(04:10):
So yeah, we're, we're doingreally well.
It's gonna be good, yeah, andmaybe eventually get training
some horses down here well, Ibought one this week from I
don't know where you bought, Idon't know.
I bought a two-year-old fromSteven this week.
He'd just been started.
He's a draft cross, littledraft Spanish breed of some sort
(04:31):
, cross Gentle, nice gentlelittle horse, kind of that
shorter.
He's going to be that shorterstockier type horse that I
prefer.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
I loved him.
When I seen him.
Yeah, I didn't think you'd buyhim, though that shocked me more
than anything.
Yeah, you walked in there andlooked at him and you're like I
think I'll take that horse.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
Yeah, most of my most successful horse deals have
been like that.
It's just been I see a horseand I'm like there's something
about that horse I like.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
You've got a plan for him, though.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
I'm going to spend the summer turning them into
just an excellent Dwayne-type,dwayne-approved trail horse.
All around, all-around trailhorse.
Everything Just bomb-proof.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
You've got some hills and hollers to ride in now
instead of that prairie.
That's right.
So you'll have to get used tothem and hollers and gullies and
rivers.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
I'll tell you what Kentucky has, one thing that the
part of Wyoming we were indidn't have, and that's trees.
Mom and I both missed the treesa lot.
I love riding on trails throughthe woods and the trees and
stuff, but yeah, so plan onusing him this summer on videos
(05:39):
and make videos, training videos, bringing him along so folks
can see what it takes to turn ahorse like that into the kind of
horse that, in my opinion, isthe perfect trail horse.
I'm excited to see how it turnsout.
If he turns out good, thenwe'll sell him this fall or next
spring or something.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Oh, he'll turn out good.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
Yeah, he's going to be good.
Well, I'm afraid he'll turn outtoo good and I won't want to
let him go.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Or your wife won't let.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
My wife won't let him go.
She loves her horses.
Yeah, you can tell.
Yeah, I asked her when we gotready to leave the house.
I'm like what's your plan today?
she said stand out in thepasture and brush horses hey,
nothing wrong with that, yeah,we brought them down from from
his place where they'd been fora little while until we got down
and got the pasture fixed andthey come in, and they were all
muddy and cockle burrs and fromyou know, being out there in the
(06:33):
in the woods and stuff, and shewas like, nope, I got to brush
horses today.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
So she'll clean them up.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
Yeah, she'll clean them up.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Yeah, that's good man , that's good.
You got a nice herd though.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
I love that gorilla.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Oh yeah, mouse, he's, he's, uh, he's our top chef,
when he came off that trailer Iwas like that's a horse so
that's another horse when I justsee him immediately.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
We had our first year of school in tennessee.
We had a, a family of threecome out from te Okay and they
brought four horses and theybrought him as a spare for the
school in case one of theirhorses went lame or something
happened.
And so I'm standing thereunloading the horses off the
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trailer and when they backed himout I said to myself self I bet
that horse don't leave thisfarm.
And when he come out of thetrailer I'm like I'm going to
buy that horse before they leave.
And I did.
You bought that horse, don'tleave this farm.
And when he come out of thetrailer I'm like I'm going to
buy that horse before they leave.
And I did.
You bought that horse, I boughtthat horse.
That horse is one of thosehorses that I can put a
two-year-old grandbaby on thathorse or I can get on that horse
(07:37):
and go move cattle.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
You know do what?
Speaker 3 (07:40):
anybody, whatever he's not a fast horse, he's not
a real athletic.
Anybody whatever he's not afast horse.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
He's not a real athletic.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
He's only 10, 11 years old, I think, but as far
as just solid and dependable,that's a priceless horse right
there.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
When I think of horses, though, and what they're
supposed to be, that is a horse.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
He's the size, the shape, the confirmation, the
mentality, the mind, everything.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
I'm talking too, though what you said.
You can put a two-year-old onit.
Yes, and it's that kind ofhorse you can turn around and go
to the mountains, go ropingjust all around, just all around
.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
They were trying to turn him into a roping horse,
the folks I bought him from.
And he like a competition arenacalf roping horse and he like a
competition arena calf ropinghorse and he's like why?
And he just wouldn't turn thatextra thing of speed on to go
get the calf.
You know, he's kind of got thatchilled, laid back.
Look at life.
(08:35):
It's like if we don't get itdone tomorrow.
If we don't get it done today,we'll do it tomorrow.
You know, yeah and so.
But we've moved cattle, We'veherded cattle on him and he
actually we went up out ofLodgegrass, Montana, a couple
months ago to help a ranchermove a bunch of cattle.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
They can actually watch that video on your channel
.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
Yes, it's on Deanna's channel.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Yes, dry Creek, mama Dry Creek.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
Mama, and he got to the point where he would walk up
to them, little fellas in theback, and pin his ears and reach
out or he'd boop them with hisnose.
He started herding them andbooping them.
Hey, you know, he knew this wasExactly.
Yeah, and that's what I like toturn this new one into a horse
that I can put a grandbaby on,or I can go move cattle or go up
(09:19):
in the mountains, whatever Iwant to do Drive him too.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
He's supposed to be able to drive.
I want to see you drive a cart.
Yeah, that'd be pretty cool.
Big cigar and driving a cartyeah, highway yeah, that'd be
pretty neat.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
I'll have to shave my beard, otherwise he'll think
I'm think you're amish orsomething.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
No, you got the mustache.
Oh well, there you go.
Amish have no mustache, sothat'd be better.
Tell them a little bit, for mysubscribers and yours know, of
course, but you've got your mainchannel, rock Creek Wrangler
School.
Tell them about your new thingyou're doing, because some of my
people may want to get on thereand check that out.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
Well, we started about I don't know, six months
ago.
We have a second channel, it'scalled Tack Room Bible Talk.
We have a second channel, it'scalled Tac Room Bible Talk.
It's just a simple.
Some folks don't think it's asimple, but it's just the gospel
Just talking about simpledoctrines in the Bible and
(10:18):
taking away all the noise, allthe confusion, all the fluff,
all the lack of common sense andjust breaking it down and
saying, look, this is what it is, this is what it says.
It's the same approach and thesame simplicity of everything I
approach on Dry Creek ReindeerSchool, but it's faith-based,
just real Bible study.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
That's pretty much what it is.
Yeah, and it's great, guys, Ilisten to it, I love it.
It's just Dwayne absolutelybreaking down the Bible how he
sees it.
Yeah, and you can make yourjudgment too.
That's what it's about, sothat's a super good channel.
And then your wife has herchannel.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
Yep, she has her channel.
She doesn't post very much,she's very shy.
It's hard to get her in frontof a camera.
I think she does good, she doesgreat, and I tell her she does
great.
Maybe she'll come around, well,maybe.
Uh, I hope so, but yeah, sowe've got those three, and then
also you have your.
You're on all podcast platformswith your podcast yeah, and
(11:11):
basically right now what thepodcast is.
I've got a, a company, and theyjust take the youtube videos
and strip the audio and put iton the podcast um, that works,
though, like people driving downthe road, they want to put it
on their car.
I've had people say you knowwhen they're working in the
garage and cleaning the garageor whatever, and they can't
watch it, they just listen to it.
So it works out.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
It's great, it's super good.
Yeah, then of course, we gotour youtube channel, haste draft
horses and mules.
Everybody subscribe to that ifyou like watching me and henry
run around on horses and dothings all around.
So so we do have a lot of funon there.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
And then we'll be teaming up here in a couple
months.
I'm looking forward to that,yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
March 11th, 12th and 13th we're having a clinic at
our place in Liberty atHaystraft, horses and Mules.
It's a private clinic.
Rural Heritage is sponsoring it.
A lot of y'all may have heardof Rural Heritage Magazine.
They used to be on RFD TV.
They have a YouTube channel,rural Heritage Check them out.
But they're sponsoring thisclinic.
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They're actually going to bethere and doing some filming,
doing some editorial write-upsand things, and Dwayne is going
to be there as a guest speakeron Thursday and that'll be
Thursday afternoon or wheneverDwayne shows up.
So it is a private clinic clinic.
It's not open to the public.
We hope to do something open tothe public at some point where
everybody can come, but this ismore of a private teamster
(12:33):
clinic one-on-one learningeverything about driving a horse
and just basic horsemanship,holding the lines right.
And I do have a couple spotsleft.
We're recording this on what istoday's date I don't even know
january something, january 29th,29th so we'll probably post
this sometime here within thenext week.
(12:53):
So if you listen to this andyou want to come to that clinic,
you can give me a call, checkthe website, email me.
Whatever, we do have two spotsleft and you can come be a part
of it.
Learn a lot and just live aneveryday draft horse life.
It's going to be a lot of fun.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
Now my part's not driving, your part is going to
be just, it's just basic adriving horse or a riding horse.
It's a horse, it is.
And I've ridden horses inafrica.
I've ridden horses um in china,ridden horse over the United
States, and everywhere I go.
A horse is a horse is a horse.
(13:27):
And the thing that you can'tunderstand about the horse that
you're trying to drive is thesame things that a lot of people
don't understand about a horsethey're trying to ride.
So, true, basic, foundationalhorsemanship crosses all
boundaries, and so what I'll bedoing is just talking about the
horsemanship side of thingsitself with the horse,
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regardless of whether you'redriving or riding and just
talking about duane stuff.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
What duane does dry creek?
Stuff yeah so it's going to begood.
It's going to be super good.
Yeah, maybe we can con duanehaving a clinic somewhere this
year on his own.
I.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
I might do one this year.
A lot of folks are asking we'renot doing the school this year
because of relocation.
We're not set up for the schoollogistically and physically and
we learned from the last threeyears things that work, things
that don't work.
And so 2025, I've got a lot ofirons in the fire and we've got
(14:29):
a lot of um things that we'vegot to restructure for the
school as far as logisticallyand so hopefully we'll be set up
and we can just start over inthe spring of 26, but there
we're not doing anythingphysically for the school in
2025.
I know I've gotten a lot ofquestions about that.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Also, dwayne may have needed a break too for a year,
just to have some Dwayne time.
You know what?
Speaker 3 (14:51):
Dwayne's biggest problem was in school.
What People If they would justsend me their money, you know,
and then I could just send themsomething, it would have been so
great.
No, but the people have beengreat.
In three years we've had threeproblem students.
That's all.
(15:12):
Of course, part of it knowseverybody who's come.
90% of them 99% are familiarwith kind of who and what Dwayne
is from the channel, so theyknow when they come.
It's like we're not going tocause any trouble here.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
How many people did you say you took through there
in a year?
Speaker 3 (15:28):
Over a hundred five a week every week, except for
when we take breaks in between.
For however many months we didit?
For three years we did that andeverybody lived in my house.
I wound up moving out to thetax shed.
I put a cot in the tax shed.
I've been for a while down inthe living quarters horse
(15:48):
trailer because I just couldn'tsleep, and so we're going to
reset up.
But there's going to beseparate bunkhouses and stuff.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
That would be nice.
Yeah, it would Build, buy a newplace, set it up where you got.
Somebody can, somebody can'tbuy a new place and build these
bunkhouses.
I can see it.
Yeah, big dry creek thing overa creek.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
Oh, yeah, yeah they're pretty nice.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
it would be nice because people need what you're
doing.
They just need it.
Yeah, they want it right.
You've got a way about yourhorsemanship, your mentality.
They see it on your channel.
Yeah, yeah, and you help peopleLike you talk about helping the
young boys.
He was talking about how peoplewas taking TikTok.
You don't even have a TikTok,no, and you're all over TikTok.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
Yeah, and I let them do it because it's not about for
me.
I didn't start the channel tomake money.
I didn't know you could makemoney, are you serious?
Oh man, I.
I was up to 60 000 subscribersand my friend asked me like
you're monetizing that right?
What are you talking about?
(16:58):
He said you can make money offyour youtube channel.
I was like I had no idea.
That's not why I started it.
So I had probably 60,000subscribers maybe not that many
before I ever even found outabout monetization.
And so for me it's like youknow, and that is simultaneously
(17:21):
, it's my biggest asset and it'smy biggest handicap.
True, you know.
It's like, yeah, I could if Ihad more of a business sense, if
I had more, um, business minded.
I know I could do so much more.
You know getting land and allthis stuff, but I just I can't
(17:41):
find it in me to be willing toput in the effort to learn and
to fuss with that stuff.
I just can't find it in me tobe willing to put in the effort
to learn and to fuss with thatstuff.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
It's just not you just be you, I just be me.
Well, it's working.
Yeah, being you is working.
Yeah, majorly.
Yeah, I think it's.
I don't want to say people'swanting to be like you, but I
think people's really seeing adifferent side of somebody
they've never seen before.
Well, it's, but I thinkpeople's really seeing a
different side of somebodythey've never seen before.
Well, it's a plain type personthat has morals.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
Well, I mean, that may be some of it, but I think
it's there.
They're seeing a side of anapproach to life that's right.
That could give them a bit ofthe you know the piece, Just
because I've jettisoned thewhole rat race.
You know, and people have beentold in this country and this
(18:30):
culture for generations, notonly can you not do that, but
it's morally wrong.
True, All right, and they say,well, this guy did it.
You know, maybe I can Just kindof scale back a little bit,
chill out a little bit, shift mypriorities and maybe life
(18:52):
doesn't have to be so crazy.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
Yeah, it's a crazy lifestyle nowadays.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
My grandmother, my dad's mom, here in Kentucky, her
and my granddad.
They passed years ago, but shewas a tight person and my dad's
told this story many times.
She could not be still so inKentucky back in their period,
back in their time, whether youwent to church or not, you did
not work on Sunday, all right,it's the Lord's day.
(19:19):
It was disrespectful, so shecouldn't go to the fields.
You know she couldn't go to thefields, she couldn't go do this
stuff, and so on Sunday,instead of resting and relaxing,
she would just walk the fieldsand walk the pastures.
And she had four major heartattacks by the time she was 40
years old.
Four she just could not relax,couldn't chill out.
(19:43):
There's a lot of people likethat today and there's yeah.
I know, you run like crazy, dude.
I can't hang with you, man.
It's like here's Steven.
Steven's doing it.
Well, I'll see him next week,but he's going to be running the
roads and he's doing all this.
His phone keeps ringing nonstop.
I like it.
I'm like I can't live like that.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
It's vibrating the whole time we've been recording
this podcast.
Oh, I don't doubt it, it's stopon the drive over here to
lexington.
It's business.
Yeah, I love my customers y'all.
Yeah, he does.
I'm not y'all call me anytime,but yeah, it's how we make a
living you know that.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
Yeah, no, I think it's I.
I'm not talking, I'm nottalking down on it, I'm just
saying I myself, you couldn't doit, I can't do it, don't want
to do it, wouldn't do it.
I'd rather pick up aluminumcans on the side of the road to
buy a biscuit than to live likethat and make all the half holes
of money that you're making.
I'm like I just can't.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
I guess the good Lord made us all different for a
reason, and it's a good thing,that's right.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
It's a good thing.
You know, if the world was alot more people were like me,
the world would be a boringplace.
Not, it'd be boring Pretty slowBecause race it might.
It'd be boring pretty slowbecause you'd have, like the
entire human race would bespending most of the time
sitting on the porch drinkingcoffee, smoking a cigar and
looking off into space andthinking thoughts speaking of
coffee, did you bring yourcoffee in?
(21:02):
Uh, it's in that bag down therewe got the coffee.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
Now, speaking of coffee, I want to show you all
this, what duane does.
This is duane's coffee brand.
I want him to tell you a littlebit about it well.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
So this company, this is juniper mountain coffee.
Uh, they contacted me severalmonths ago and said hey, we want
to sponsor your channel.
We like what you're doing.
So I looked them up, I'm like,okay, they're, it's a small
family operation, very um,they're, they're um, what's the
word I want?
Mine just went blank.
(21:37):
Their convictions, the way theylive, is very much in order
with mine.
And so we did, and we had avery good, a very good
relationship.
And then they called me againand said we want to come up with
your own roast.
And they said what do you wantin a roast that has your name on
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it?
And I said I want it dark and Iwant it rich, but I do not want
it to taste burnt.
If you want burnt tastingcoffee, you can go get something
with a mermaid on the front ofit.
And so they roasted 20, 20different new roasts and sent me
the three they thought wasclosest what I wanted.
So we tried those three and wesaid this is what we want.
(22:20):
And so this is not a uh, thisis not a white tag, this isn't
something they have, and theyjust put our name on it.
This is a new, original roastfor us um, it's wrangler roast,
it's dark roast.
The x is all the over here, tothe far right as far as you can
get.
It's very, very rich and verydark, kind of molassesy, um and
(22:42):
but, but without being burnt.
And so here recently, deannaand I have just become uh, we've
actually become part owners inthis company, which we're
extremely proud of.
That's awesome, and so you cango on Juniper Mountain.
They've got a website andcoffee cups, but this is a
coffee we drink at home.
This is what we got, but thisis something we've been working
(23:05):
on.
We're very pleased with.
Now they also have a lightroast too, don't they?
They have several differentroasts.
Yeah, they have something astep down from this, a little
more palatable.
I worked in Alaska IndustrialHardware in Alaska years ago and
my boss a really good guy.
(23:26):
He was a retired Navy officerand he drank his coffee really
thin, really weak, and his wife,a wonderful lady.
She was from Arizona or NewMexico and she was a delight.
She was tough, and so I hadmade the coffee one when I got
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there before he did, and so Igot in there first and made the
coffee the way I like it, andhe'd come out one day and he's
like who made this coffee?
It's too strong.
And his wife was in business.
She said Floyd, there ain't nosuch thing as strong coffee,
there's only weak men.
So we do have.
There is light.
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They do have lighter rosecoffee and they have special
batch.
Stuff comes in from around theworld.
That's just a one-shot,one-time deal.
So there's a lot of good stufftheir packaging is good looking.
Everything they do, they have wehave spent.
I'm going to say we we havespent a lot of extra money.
All of the coffee roasters thatwe use, all of the grinders,
everything is American-made.
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None of the equipment used tomake this coffee's been shipped
in from overseas.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
It's all american made I like that right there and
uh, yes, in god, we try verymuch it's nice.
Yeah, where can they buy this?
Speaker 3 (24:46):
um, you can go on juniper mountain uh caught the
juniper mountain website andorder it from them.
Or if you go to our website,drycreekwranglerscom, we have a
shopping section where you canbuy the coffee you know, along
with the wool vests and thedenim shirts and everything that
I wear all the time.
(25:07):
That stuff's on there, andyou've got T-shirts on there too
.
Yeah, there's T-shirts on thereand canvas, wax, canvas, ball,
canvas and I've seen a Zippolighter on there too.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
yeah, there's t-shirts on there and canvas wax
canvas ball and I've seen azippo lighter on there there are
um zippos with the with thelogo on it these cups.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
Didn't intend to turn this into a big marketing thing
, but yeah it's there yeah, wealso just recently put merch on
our website.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Right, we got a guy out of thermopolis wyoming
laser's edge kenny.
Yeah, he's doing our merch.
You know, we got hats and cupsand shirts and things.
So if you're interested in anyof that kind of thing for the
podcast, we actually got podcastT-shirts on there.
Harness Up Podcast with ourlogo.
Go towwwdrafthorsesandmulesforsalecom
.
You click on Merchandise andfind it all on there.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
I'm going to balance this out on the other side.
Okay, I just soon not do thisreally.
I mean, I we're not making anymoney on it.
It's not worth the headache andit's just something else I have
to keep up with.
Yeah, and we signed a contractwith the merchants and
merchandising company for twoyears, so I'm stuck but the
coffee, though the coffee I likethe coffee and and and uh, yeah
, and the cups is part of thecoffee, but I mean as far the
coffee.
I like the coffee and, yeah, andthe cups is part of the coffee,
(26:15):
but I mean as far as theT-shirts and caps and stuff it
just wears me out.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
That's why I give all mine to Kenny.
Yeah, he does it all.
I don't do nothing.
Yeah, it's kind of peaceful.
I can't keep up with all thehorse calls.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
I've got to keep up with them.
First, you know, that's whatmattered horse and mule calls.
Well, that's it.
I think sometimes this otherstuff, when we try to expand, it
just becomes a distraction.
You know, I think it's just adistraction.
We tried it.
We had some guys come through,stay with us Really good guys,
good friends, and all they wenton and on and on Because we were
wanting to buy land.
They're like man, if you startmerchandising you'll just blow
up.
You'll have so much money comein because your channel is so
(26:59):
big.
And then that's how you financegetting land to build the
school.
It ain't hardly even paying foritself.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
It's so much easier just to put a YouTube video on
and let it take care of itself.
That's what I do.
Yeah, it works so easy.
I'm just in my.
I'm in my schedule, yeah yeahvideo.
I go home, I edit, I put it on.
We sell horses and mules and,yeah, I don't have time to fool
with this stuff.
Yeah, I dropped the bomb onthis podcast.
Sorry to everybody that'swatched this and listened to it.
(27:32):
I didn't record a podcast fromSeptember until now.
Oh, because we just got so busy.
You got people coming every daybuying horses, looking at
horses, mules, shipping them out, vet work with Coggins.
I mean, it's just, we sellharness.
Yeah, we sell wagons.
It's sometimes more work thanit's worth.
Yeah, like you're saying, allthe extra add-ons, but it helps.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
When we sell a team to somebody, they can buy
everything from us, right, andit just works well, I just I for
me, I just flap my gums, I justtalk and, if it helps, I had a
guy call yesterday.
He called me, he'd been astudent the first year and we
talked a couple times and he washaving trouble with a horse and
he had my number and he calledand so I talked and kind of
(28:19):
pointed out, helped him throughit, and for me that's just what
I want to do.
If I, you know, if a duffel bagfell out of the sky with a
bunch of $100 bills in it, I'ddemonetize everything and just
do what I want to do.
I just don't care about it.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
I noticed something yesterday major about you.
We was in that paddock gettingthat cold out.
Yeah, the cold you boughtMm-hmm.
You was talking to that coldlike you was teaching him.
Like you was teaching a student.
You was trying to get him tocome through the gate.
Yeah, he was teaching him likehe was teaching a student.
He was trying to get him tocome through the gate.
Yeah, and he was pressurereleasing him.
Yeah, he was telling him.
He was talking it while he wasdoing it.
(28:58):
Yeah, I don't know if he'strying to teach us or the cult,
yeah, but it was so smooth howhe just he give into you yeah,
it was something to see yeah, hejust pressure release and he
finally just dropped that headright through, followed you
right around, right into thattrailer yeah, well, it's become
a habit.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
Yeah, um, because, uh , you know, when I'm teaching
the classes and or I'm doing thevideos, it's you know, I I
can't, and it's it's difficultto do.
It's really difficult to splityour mind up like that to
concentrate on what you're doing, to verbalize it, you know and
whatnot.
But that's I had last year inthe school.
(29:44):
I had the students out at thearena and I was on a horse and I
was talking through it, but Iwas also doing kind of like I do
on the on the channel.
I was kind of relating it youknow what the horse is going
through to what people are goingthrough in life.
And I had two students breakdown in tears.
Why?
(30:07):
Because they're like this iswhere they were in their life.
It's like all of a sudden theyrelated so much to what the
horse was going through and theanswer that the horse was
getting from that problem, theanswer I was giving the horse,
and just a calm, gentle, direct,simplistic way.
(30:28):
It just applied and so muchthat they were going through it.
Just it just opened everythingup.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
That's pretty special .
Speaker 3 (30:34):
Really'm to see.
That's just what.
That's what I, you know, when Ihave those special moments in
the class, when something likethat, or when a horse, you know,
you see that light, come on, Itell deanna I'm like I'd rather
do this than eat.
I mean sleep and breathe thosemoments and I do everything else
so that while I'm doing allthis other stuff, those moments
(30:59):
happen.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
It's a rush, ain't it ?
For me, it's addictive.
Yeah, it's like you crave, feelthat moment yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
Well, I just you know , I love it when people find the
answers that they need.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
When we do those clinics it's amazing how people
come together.
You'll see it yeah, we've didseveral of them.
The people that's at thatclinic, you see them, they're
still best friends.
Yeah, like they comment backand forth on all the videos and
they talk privately.
They're just, they get so closein those three or four days,
like when you bring commonpeople together with common
(31:33):
interests, good things happenand it always just turns out to
be the best time at our clinics.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
We've had students you know we'd have five at a
time and they're strangers fromall over spend the week together
and they get done.
They're like let's book a weeknext year for just us.
The same five together, samefive together.
Yeah, absolutely.
Us, the same five, same fivetogether.
(31:59):
Yeah, absolutely.
And horses are a fantasticmedium for people to come
together and for people to getanswers in themselves.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
Have you ever done a clinic where people bring their
own horse to your clinic?
Speaker 3 (32:08):
Our first year of school people brought their own
horse.
They were welcome to do so anda lot more people brought their
own horses.
A lot of people wanted to bringthe horses to Wyoming but the
distance wouldn't let them.
They were afraid to.
It's kind of it's a littleoverpowering, a little
intimidating, if you're not realexperienced, to trailer up a
(32:33):
couple of horses and go fromMichigan to Wyoming.
So I didn't have very many inWyoming, I had very few.
They were welcome to undercertain guidelines.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
But I didn't.
Did you have a lot ofinternational people come to the
school?
Speaker 3 (32:47):
I did A lot of from the Netherlands, Denmark,
Austria.
Wow yeah, we had a lot of folksflying from overseas.
This year our Canadian businesshas went up so much, we had
several Canadians come throughtoo.
Lots of.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
Canadians are buying.
We're shipping a lot up there,right?
If they ever get that exchangefixed, we'd ship a whole lot
more up there.
Yeah, right now it's so farapart.
Sure, it's ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
Really unreal.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
Right, the amount of money Right, which I try to give
them a break and help thembecause they do have to pay so
much to get them there with feesand international health papers
, and there's a lot that goesinto it Right.
And there's a lot that goesinto it Right.
Sold my first team to Mexico inDecember.
Wow, mexico City.
Shout out to you all down there.
They bought a team.
We shipped them down to MexicoCity.
(33:41):
I'd like to go down theresometime and visit.
Yeah, I've spent time downthere.
Speaker 3 (33:45):
I love it.
You've been everywhere.
My wife and I looked at a bigranch down there.
We thought about buying it,Really yeah, and we could have
afforded it.
But I'm like I can't move allthis down there and then we've
got to start all over again.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Out of all the places you've lived, what's your
favorite place?
Speaker 3 (34:04):
Africa.
Well, I didn't live in Africa.
I spent a month there, but allthe places I've ever been,
africa was my—Botswana, southAfrica, botsw been africa was my
botswana, south africa.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
Botswana is a country north of south africa, okay,
and east of namibia.
Speaker 3 (34:23):
I loved it how long was you there?
A month.
He's in mongolia too, no,somewhere.
No, I was in china.
China, uh, right there wherechina, north korea and r Russia
all meet at that point.
Spent a month there.
The people were wonderful, butI wouldn't want to live there.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
Out of all the horse things you've done.
You've been in this your wholelife.
Speaker 3 (34:44):
No, but since I was in my 20s, I wasn't raised in
this, really no.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
I was not.
You would think you was.
Speaker 3 (34:48):
Yeah, it's what I always wanted to do, but I had
to wait until I was grown andleft home and go pursue it.
I was not raised in this.
What was your first horse?
My first horse was a littlequarter horse, red Dunmare,
named Baby.
I bought out of Emporia, kansas.
(35:09):
My cowboy friend told me when Iwas looking at the horse.
He said don't ever buy a horsefrom a woman.
He was a crusty old guy.
He said never buy a horse froma woman and never buy a horse
named Baby or Pumpkin or Sweetieor Sweetheart.
Well, I bought this horse froma woman named Baby.
She was two-year-old, wasn'tbroke and she was snaky.
(35:32):
Yeah, she was a mare.
But yeah, that was my firsthorse.
You think she learned you a lot.
Oh, she taught me.
She taught me so much.
She taught me how not to buyhorses.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
And that's something you need to know.
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:49):
She broke my thumb.
The day I bought her.
I went to load her in a horsetrailer and she wouldn't load up
and I didn't know what I wasdoing.
I mean, I had been cowboying Iwasn't when I bought my first
horse I had been wrangling, Ihad been packing in the
mountains, I had worked on acattle ranch, but always using
their horses.
This is the first horse Ibought, so I wasn't completely
(36:11):
green and ignorant the horses.
But I didn't know and so I wentto load her in the trailer.
She broke my thumb and and Igot so mad I was furious, I had
that's back when I had a badtemper and so I went in bang.
I dropped the trailer off mytruck and and I went and banked
(36:34):
on the door of the house thatpeople had bought the horse.
I said the horse is right thereand the trailer is right there.
I said if the horse goes in thetrailer, you call me and I'll
come back and get her.
I was mad and I drove away.
I left the horse, I left the$2,000 I'd paid for the horse
and I drove away.
I went home.
About an hour later she calledme.
She said well.
(36:59):
The hour later she called me.
She said well, the mayor's inthe trailer come back.
So that, yeah, so yeah, shetaught me a lot.
Because I'm like this is nothow this is supposed to work.
I've got to, I got to figurethis out and by the time I got
done with her, I lead her upwith the lead rope, open the
back door, throw the lead ropeover back and say get in the
trailer.
And she and she'd walk in andgo.
I mean, I learned, but shetaught me A lot, yeah, a lot.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
Who's been your biggest inspiration in your
training?
Buck Brandman, really.
Speaker 3 (37:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
All the way.
Speaker 3 (37:27):
I started out with others and I gained from
everybody as I went, all right.
But when it came, when Ifinally discovered him and he
don't, I'm not dropping names,he don't know me, I don't know
him All right, it's justwatching his stuff and his his,
the philosophical approach ofthe relationship and the mind of
(37:48):
the horse, and understandingthe instinct of the horse and
working within the horse'sinstinct and how they feel and
how they think, everything justbegan to click and fall into
place and he has had moreinfluence um on on my
horsemanship than anybody.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
That's good.
I like watching him too.
I used to watch him a lot.
Speaker 3 (38:09):
He's really really good and I, you know, I get
something from all of themexcept one we won't go into that
we don't have to.
No, we won't.
You can tell me later.
I'll tell you later.
I'd like to know who it is.
But, yeah, no, I've picked bitsand pieces because I'm Dwayne.
Yeah, I'm not Buck Branaman.
I'm not Pat Pirelli.
I'm not Warwick Schiller, I'mnot Chris Cox, I'm not Chris Cox
(38:34):
, I'm not any of these guys.
Part of the reason why whatthey do works for them is
because it's within the confinesof who they are and I'm not
them.
But I can take the part of themthat they do that fits within
the box of who I am, and takethat piece and that piece and
that piece and this piece andcreate the horsemanship that
(38:56):
works for who Dwayne that's sotrue.
Speaker 2 (38:59):
Um, that's why I tell people all the time they're
like why do you do this this way?
Why don't you do it this way,like putting collars on?
Yeah or anything on putting theharness on a horse, right?
I tell them there's no right orwrong way, right, if it works
for you, right, and it works forthat horse, that's the right
way to do it.
Speaker 3 (39:15):
Well, you, you know, I've been doing this for three
years and one thing you'll neversee you'll never see anything
that says Dwayne Noelhorsemanship.
There is no such thing.
There's only Dwayne Noelhorsemanship for Dwayne Noel.
True, okay, buck Branamanhorsemanship works for Buck
(39:35):
Branaman, all right.
But John Smith cannot just pickup Buck Branaman horsemanship
and turn it into his and be 100%successful because he's John
Smith.
He needs to develop John Smithhorsemanship Now.
He can use as much of Branamanstuff that works for him.
But if you take one person andyou see them all right, you see
(39:57):
people who have a particularhorse clinician.
They've got all the, theconchos on the bridles with the
initials and the and the flagsand all the special things that
come along and it's like that'stheir guru.
You know and and I've never metone yet that was 100%
successful these followers ofthese guys, because when they
(40:20):
hit a particular character andpersonality wall that they can't
get through, that this personcan, they can't turn around and
develop their own part of that.
Okay, yeah.
Pat Pirelli's horsemanship onlyworks 100% successfully for Pat
Pirelli.
All right, and it works.
(40:41):
It works, it does.
But we, as horsemen, we have todevelop the horsemanship that
works for us, based on who weare and the amount of
sensitivity towards the horsethat we have, the amount of
experience that we have, what wehave.
We have to develop what worksfor us.
(41:03):
That's true, that's so true.
So that was a long answer to ashort question.
It was a good answer.
Speaker 2 (41:10):
That's the truth.
You have to develop.
Even growing up, I played a lotof music Played banjo and
mandolin.
You know you mentor a lot ofmusic, right, played banjo and
mandolin.
You know you mentor after allthese people.
Right, you want to sound likethem, play like them, right.
Ultimately, though, you've gotto have your own style and put
your own way into what they'redoing.
Same thing, yeah, and that'sjust a very true statement.
(41:30):
Right, very true.
Yeah, very true.
So you're glad to be back inKentucky.
Speaker 3 (41:35):
I am.
We're down there on that creekand just on that farm and just
peaceful.
It's just back home.
Back home, yeah, is mama happy?
Mama's just delighted.
She went yesterday.
She took the truck and wentinto the neighboring town and
spent the day with my mom andwith our daughter.
(41:55):
Now, I was talking about yourmom, oh, my mom, my mom's
ecstatic To have you back home.
Yeah, I'm the only boy.
Speaker 2 (42:02):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (42:03):
I'm the oldest so I'm her baby boy and don't tell the
others, but I think I'm herfavorite kid.
I'm the baby boy too.
We won't tell my youngersisters.
But no, no, my mom's ecstatic,she's very happy, that's good.
Speaker 2 (42:16):
Well, I'm excited to see how you do with that colt.
I'm really excited about it.
Speaker 3 (42:20):
I am too.
I like him.
I think he's got a good mindand a good temperament and I
think we can do something withhim.
Speaker 2 (42:24):
You're going to have to do a whole series on your
YouTube channel of this colt.
That's what I'm going to do howhe turns.
Anything else you want to sayin closing, Dwayne?
Speaker 3 (42:37):
No, I'm going to mention we've got our own Dry
Creek Wrangler signature saddles.
Yes, that is true, made by BenGeisler and my design, and so
you can if you're interested inthat, you can contact us through
(42:58):
the channel or something.
But each one's made custom byhand, one at a time, by Ben and
uh, so it's a Wade saddle, it'sall rough out and it's got the
things on it that I have foundover all my years that what I
wanted the perfect, all roundsaddle If you're cowboying, if
you're packing, if you're justtrail riding, if you're
cowboying, if you're packing, ifyou're just trail riding, if
you're wrangling dudes thesaddle has what you need to do
(43:21):
it and and it's like, and it'shigh quality, is the best out
there.
You know it's made here in thestates, uh, with us material and
by one of the top saddle makersin the business.
Speaker 2 (43:35):
You need to start teaching these boys back east
what packing is.
That's not a thing around here.
No, it's not Nothing aroundhere.
Nobody packs.
Yeah, you should get a bunch ofmules together in a string and
haul everybody's deer out.
This kind of deer season Packdeer out, yeah.
Speaker 3 (43:50):
Teach them how to do it.
Yeah, you know, out westthere's actually guys who they
have that business.
Speaker 2 (43:56):
Oh, yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (43:57):
You could do it.
Speaker 2 (43:57):
Yeah, Because here these hollers and hills,
somebody shoots a big buck andit goes way down.
Yeah, I don't know why theydon't think of it.
Put it on a mule and pack itout Bring it out.
Yeah, it'd be so much better.
They winch it out the hill withthe dozer.
(44:19):
You know who he is too.
Okay, you do too.
The guy behind the camera.
He's done it before.
But yeah, it's um.
Yeah, it's just a differentworld.
Speaker 3 (44:32):
Yeah, I've seen it traveling back and forth well,
now there's this big hurricanewent through and wiped out North
Carolina.
Their packers went in therewith mules and were packing
supplies in and rescuing peoplewith mules in those mountains
and all that stuff, but theycouldn't get anything else in
there.
Speaker 2 (44:51):
I've seen that yeah absolutely.
They probably come from thewest, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (44:55):
I don't know either.
That would have been neat,though.
Yeah, probably come from theWest.
Speaker 2 (44:57):
I don't know.
I don't know either that wouldhave been neat though.
Yeah, well, that was tragicdown there.
Yeah, golly, we took a load ofstuff down there to Irwin,
tennessee and that was somethingto see.
I've never seen damage likethat in my life.
Speaker 3 (45:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (45:10):
From a flood?
Speaker 3 (45:11):
Yeah, but pack strings and pack mules.
They're not obsolete.
No, they're not, no.
And the skill as a packer isnot obsolete.
Speaker 2 (45:22):
It's hard to find anybody back here that does it.
Yeah, it is an art.
It's not just throwingsomething on a mule and packing
it.
You've got to know what you'redoing.
It's definitely an art.
Yep, are you Sawbuck?
Speaker 3 (45:36):
or Decker, either one .
I started out with Decker, butfor me tying a Manny usually is
not worth the effort.
Yeah, and to just hook, ifyou're just doing simple stuff,
if you're just not doing complexloads, just putting soft-sided
panniers on Sawbuck is wayeasier.
Speaker 2 (45:56):
I got a Decker I bought in Salmon Idaho.
Yeah, still got it.
We don't ever use it hardlythough.
Yeah, I wanted to get into packmules and selling them for so
long.
Yeah, because there's a hugemarket for it.
Yeah, but it's just notsomething anybody around here
does.
Speaker 3 (46:13):
No, they don't, but I can help you get into it out
west.
I no, they don't, but I canhelp you get into it out west.
Speaker 2 (46:17):
I know people I'd say you can.
Yeah, I used to sell a lot ofmules out west when I was young,
driving out and selling them,peddling them.
Yeah, the mule market thoughnow has shifted.
Yeah, I do think there's moremules in the west now than east.
Oh, there are, I rode a paint?
Speaker 3 (46:31):
I don't think it was gated.
It A paint?
I don't think it was gated.
It was in the mountains.
It's hard to tell.
A mule up there out of Salmon,Idaho, a couple years ago and
they called it a reigning mule.
Maybe it would if it's hard toknow in the mountains, but they
had paid $25,000 for that ridingmule.
Speaker 2 (46:53):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 3 (46:53):
Yeah, but I enjoyed the heck out of riding her.
Speaker 2 (47:05):
I rode her all over the all over.
We went to the salmon sale twoyears.
We went in 21, 22 and 21.
We had the second highestseller yeah, 20 000 22.
We sold three mules for reallygood money in the 20s but some
of them went in the 40s 60 yeah,yeah, unreal.
There was one guy there I can'tremember his name, super cool
guy.
He had a mule.
He took his dodge truck in thecell ring and loped that mule
(47:28):
and jumped it up into the bed ofthat truck, did spins and
jumped it right back out.
Yeah, that thing went crazy.
Yeah it was.
He worked hard on that mule.
Yeah, what'd you ever do?
Did you ever finish your mule?
Or did you sell her?
Speaker 3 (47:40):
I sold her sold her yeah yeah, I sold her just
before we moved back okay, downhere.
Speaker 2 (47:45):
I remember you had that mule when I was out there.
Speaker 3 (47:47):
Yeah, I rode her.
I rode her quite a bit.
She was in the mountains, shepacked and everything.
Yeah, she was the perfect size.
Yeah she was.
She was a nice mule.
It's just I had to consolidatea bunch of stuff.
I sold a bunch of horses beforewe moved back out here.
Then, like a dummy, I went andstarted buying them again.
Speaker 2 (48:05):
You'll probably buy more.
Probably it's addictive.
Yeah, all right, dwayne,anything else you want?
Speaker 3 (48:11):
to say I don't think so.
Speaker 2 (48:12):
I think we've covered what we wanted to talk about a
little more.
Yeah, if anybody has anyquestions about the clinic, like
I said, call me my number's onthe website.
It's all over the placewwwdrafthorsesandmulesforsalecom
.
Check that out.
Subscribe to my YouTube HasteDraft Horses and Mules if you
want to follow me and what we do.
Subscribe to Dwayne's Dry CreekWrangler School Tackering,
(48:34):
bible Talk all that good stuffand you can watch Dwayne.
He does some really good thingson there.
I enjoy watching it myself.
And if there's anything we canhelp anybody with, give me a
call.
We're here to help you.
Thank you all, god bless andwe'll see you on the next one.
Speaker 1 (48:49):
As another captivating episode of Harness
Up with Haste Draft Horses andMules draws to a close, we
extend our sincere gratitude toour listeners for joining us on
this enlightening journey.
We hope today's discussionshave deepened your appreciation
and understanding of thesemagnificent creatures.
(49:10):
Remember, the adventurecontinues beyond this podcast.
Stay connected with us onsocial media and share your
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Thank you for being part of ourcommunity.
Until next time, keepharnessing your curiosity and
(49:33):
passion for these God-givencreatures.
Farewell for now.
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On Purpose with Jay Shetty
I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace. I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!