October 6, 2023 • 19 mins
Buckle up for a captivating discussion with David Whitesock, the trailblazing founder and CEO of Commonly Well. What if the way you dress could not only boost your confidence but also alter your performance in professional settings? We promise a riveting conversation that dives deep into the power of personal style and its implications for behavioral health practice.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to Hatching Creativity.
This isn't just anotherbehavioral health podcast.
This is the place where thoughtleaders converge to talk about
real life challenges,breakthroughs and pivotal aha
moments.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
I am really excited for today's guest, david
Whitesock.
David is with Commonly Well, heis a veteran in the industry
and I'd love to have David sharesome of his experiences and
some of the knowledge that he'sgained from his years in the
behavioral health care field tobe able to give you guys some
(00:38):
information and some things youcan walk away from.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
I'm a CEO and founder of Commonly Well, a recovery
intelligence company.
I think data analytics, butreally trying to take the
combination of clinical andqualitative quality social data
bring it together in a series ofprocess.
Intelligence to keeporganizations and behavioral
health moving like otherbusinesses do, as opposed to
(01:02):
sort of the episodic kind ofrelationships that behavioral
health has.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
You know, david, one of the things that stands out
when people see you, one of thethings that stands out when I
saw you before I got to know you, was your signature glasses,
and I think that the storybehind the glasses is really
cool.
And would you mind talking alittle bit about the idea and
(01:32):
your glasses and why you wearthe glasses that you do?
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Well, one I can't see .
Well, yes, and progressively asI get older that vision
continues to get worse.
I didn't have glasses for awhile and then when I eventually
got a pair, I kind of got apair that was consistent with my
psychology and that was one ofnot standing out.
(01:56):
But what I started to find wasgetting through my own issues of
self-confidence and esteem andhaving mentors who would tell me
you know, you've got to findways to get people to remember
you.
One of my mentors was reallygood at remembering people's
(02:18):
names and you know, he'd not seesomebody for years and the
person would show up and he'dremember their wife's name or
something, and so that alwayskind of stuck with me.
So, yeah, I started figuringout well, what could I do?
That's relatively inexpensive,that's not a flashy watch that I
can't afford.
Glasses were pretty easy, andso for a long time I wore
(02:40):
red-framed glasses.
Nobody wore red-framed, so thatpeople just You're Sally.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Jackie Raphael.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
Yeah, they're like, you're the guy with the glasses
and so, yeah, I think all of usshould find a way to do that.
You know, for a lot of people,and maybe for you, depending
upon the circumstance, it couldbe a tattoo.
It's unfortunate, but when youshow up in a place, those that
can see, obviously they seesomething on you and that's
(03:10):
where they start makingjudgments and connections.
Yeah, so now I just find a pairof chunky glasses that sort of,
you know, give my facesomething for people to remember
, because there's nothing elsehere for people to remember.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Yeah, I think that's awesome.
I think that's great.
It does stand out, but itstands out and makes you
memorable in a positive kind ofway and it also just gets the
conversation started.
And one of the things that Ireally liked about the story of
your glasses you had mentionedabout feeling awkward socially
(03:46):
and how it's difficult to go upand start a conversation with
people, and by having theglasses it's kind of a
conversation starter, almost aslike a Clark Kent, and it puts
on a persona to a degree, atleast in the beginning, where it
opens the doors.
I found with my tattoos it waslike that too it opens up doors
(04:10):
and made things a little bitless awkward to have those
initial conversations, as longas they're not asking if it hurt
.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
There's a television show or television.
We don't really do televisionanymore, but we're dating
ourselves Exactly.
On Hulu I don't know if you'rewatching the bear, no, so I love
the Bear.
It's a show about a restaurantin Chicago, yeah, and in the
second season there is a greatcouple of episodes where one of
(04:42):
the characters is reallystruggling with his purpose.
He sees, like his cousinstarting this restaurant and the
other people getting involvedand they all have like a place,
and he doesn't have this placeand he's never had a place.
At least that's the way hefeels.
His cousin, who's a world-classchef who was in Copenhagen and
(05:04):
now back in Chicago with familyand creating his thing,
understands that each of thepeople that are going to work in
this new restaurant they'rebuilding needs to get some
serious experience, and so hesends his cousin to the best
restaurant in the world for aweek.
It takes him all of the sevendays to figure out why this
restaurant does everything theydo around hospitality and
(05:30):
perfection of the plating, ofthe smudges on the forks and the
glassware.
And it takes him a week andfinally, towards the end, he
shows up to the restaurantthat's being constructed with
his cousin and he's wearing asuit, okay, and he says to
people is because he was kind ofa Chicago tough guy so he
(05:51):
wasn't wearing suits.
But he says it very clearly.
He goes I feel better when I'min this suit, I feel more
confident, I feel like I can dosomething and it's like I mean
we need those tricks forourselves.
So if it's a suit and you dothis, you do this really well.
You show up in the three pieceand the pinstripe and the button
(06:15):
down.
You know straight up and I loveit.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Spenders.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
Yeah, it's fantastic and I'm willing to bet, when you
do that, your level ofconfidence and assertiveness and
feeling like you own it is allthere, david.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
That's really interesting and I love that you
broke it down the way you did,because so often we just do
things because they make us feelgood but we also don't think
about the those implications ofthe benefit that comes with that
and the self-esteem that comeswith it.
(06:50):
And I think that's reallyimportant also when you're
working in a treatment centerand the way you show up and the
way you present yourself and theway you relate to your clients.
You know I talk with people allthe time about authenticity and
being your authentic self, andthis really lends to that.
(07:13):
You know, take pride inwhatever it is that you have,
and these things all developaround doing your own thing the
way you want to.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Yeah, can I tell a quick story?
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Absolutely.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
So one of my first days working in this peer
coaching organization back inSouth Dakota now the
organization had been going onfor a while.
I was around when it wasfounded and then I got
sidetracked by all you know,going to law school and then I
go to work for the organizationand one of the things that I had
to do was just kind of sit backand just watch things for a
(07:51):
couple of weeks because my jobwas to sort of restructure the
operations.
And I show up into the centerone day and sitting off in the
corner when the computer is aguy wearing a white t-shirt and
jeans and I knew instantly thathe had just I mean literally
(08:12):
just that day that morning comeout of prison, because there's a
prison in Sioux Falls.
People come out, they've got todo two things they got to meet
their parole officer and theygot to get a job right In
addition to finding a place tolive and all that stuff.
But he was still wearing hisprison outfit and he's kind of
sitting there by himself and Isay hello to him and he's
(08:34):
chatting back and forth.
It seemed like a super puttogether kind of guy and I said,
hey, you just came out.
He goes yeah, I said what areyou doing?
He said I'm trying to apply forjobs.
I'm like you are or you'retrying.
And he goes I am.
I said, great, do you have anyother clothes?
And he goes no.
And he says that's my problem.
I don't want to hit submit onany of these because I don't
(08:54):
think I can actually go to a jobinterview looking like this.
And I said, great, wait here.
And there's a couple of placesaround town where you can find
clothes right.
And so a few of us just gottogether and we're like let's
bring this dude some clothes sohe can go to job interviews and
just look decent.
(09:15):
Because the thing is, whateveryou put on your resume, I'm
sorry but if you go to aninterview, it's going to be how
you show up, 100%.
You know, I coached mock trialand trial advocacy and we'd have
people that were wearing suitswith arms too long and pants not
right.
And that's a judging contest.
(09:37):
As much as you want the wordsto mean something coming out of
your mouth, if you don't looktogether, it will be a
distraction from the thingyou're trying to do.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
We have conversations on this channel all the time
about judgment.
One of the things that happensso often is that we try to stop
that judgment or to try to stopourselves from judging, as
opposed to recognizing that weare judging and then just trying
(10:12):
to be introspective about whyam I judging, why do I have this
bias that I have?
Because, really, you're nevergoing to get that voice to stop,
so understanding where thevoice is coming from, and it is
some sort of a tribalism thingwhere other person's bad and
(10:36):
you're good, or they're tryingto take something as opposed to
just who is this person, what istheir intention and what type
of person is this?
And we look at these anecdotalexperiences with either
individuals or with groups ofpeople and create these
(10:58):
judgments as well.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
I think for a lot of people who are in transition
jobs, school to work that kindof stuff, or maybe they come
from a particular part of townand now they've got to try to
fit in elsewhere, and we seethis all the time in addiction
and behavioral health.
It's like no, I'm showing up aswho I am.
Yeah, that's great.
(11:22):
Except the rest of the worlddoesn't operate that way.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
It's also when people say I'm showing up as who I am,
they're showing up with apersona or in some sort of a
role that they're expected to.
For a long time I played in apunk rock bands and I played in
a lot of bands.
(11:45):
We made a lot of noise, madebad decisions, all of the whole
nine right.
When you're in your I'm at aconcert and I'm a punk kind of
mentality, you behave different.
You behave in a role, youbehave like you think you're
supposed to behave.
And I notice when my tattoosare out and I was at a show and
(12:13):
I was in that situation, I wasliving that role.
I thought I was just being me,but I was being a role and
trying to fit in.
It really is not authentic.
And when people look at thosethings and they say, well,
sometimes we try to beindividual and unique in order
to fit in with a group asopposed to really being our
(12:36):
authentic selves, and that'shard because we don't many of us
don't appreciate our authenticselves like we should.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
Yeah, I think you're right about all of that, and the
only thing I would add to thatis I oftentimes am engaging with
people who are trying to getfrom a place where their lives
were completely disrupted andnow they're trying to get back
into the flow of things and theystill kind of have this rebel
counterculture thing thatthey're living with, but they
(13:03):
need to get a job.
It's like I'm sorry, man,you've got to put that on hold
for a moment.
You just got to go work and ifyou go show up to a bank wanting
a job as a teller again I'mdating myself who goes to banks
anymore you can't show up injeans with holes in the knees.
(13:25):
You can't do it.
You've got to understand theenvironment that you're going
into.
Now you can be authentic in howyou present who you are in
terms of behind that facade.
But walk down the street Almostevery building has a facade and
it's not like it's inauthentic,covering up maybe some warts or
(13:47):
some things that you just yeah,not everybody needs to see.
I saw Ryan Holiday this morning.
I was just kind of doing mydaily stoic and then I go onto
YouTube and I check a few thingsfrom him and one of the clips
that popped up was his reminderfrom the stoics that you don't
need to have to your point aboutjudgment.
(14:10):
You don't need to have anopinion about everything.
That's true and and that worksboth ways, right, like I don't
need to have an opinion aboutyou, I don't need to have
opinion about the news.
I don't need to have it.
But I could also choose to Nothaving an opinion about a
(14:30):
certain thing that I'm enteringand Just go in, because the
objective isn't me have anopinion, the objective is me
getting the job.
Yeah right.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
Well, the other thing to consider, too, is
Understanding really what's atthe core.
So I bring up punk, right, Ibring up punk music and and the
punk mentality, right.
But really what is a punkmentality?
It's rebellion against the norm, rebellion against things that
(15:00):
are Unequitable or, um, you know, standing up for what's right.
I mean, that's really what Punkrock music is about, right, and
and that whole kind of scene ingenre it it got skewed with so
many other things the tattoos,the uniforms, all that stuff
(15:21):
that everybody was wearing.
The point is is it's arebellion against the status quo
.
What I do right now Running asoftware company that makes it
easier for people to treatpeople in behavioral health or
treat people who are having veryserious health conditions is as
punk as it can get, whether I'mwearing a suit or a jacket or
(15:48):
Sweater or whatever it is.
So it's really aboutunderstanding, like, what do I
really want to be and what do Ireally want to do is is is it
about An act or what I'm wearing, or is it about what I'm
actually doing and what I'mactually bringing to the world,
because we all, I hope, want tobring good to the world.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
Yeah, many years ago I was fortunate to have gotten a
Fellowship from a privatefoundation in minnesota and it
allowed me to spend two years tojust kind of travel around and
learn about data and Datascience, and one of the places
that it took me was to ted med,and so I went to ted med
conference two years in a row.
(16:30):
I meet this person.
Her name is liz liz salmi andJust one of the most remarkable
human beings I've ever met.
Kind of like you, punk rockused to run in a in a punk rock
band.
She's tatted up, she isaggressive but super
compassionate.
You know.
She is out there looking theway she looks.
(16:52):
Half the time her head isshaved, covering up scars, maybe
with half of it not shaved, andshe's standing on stages
talking about why, from apatient perspective, why doctors
and health systems andtherapists and counselors need
to open their notes to patientsso that patients can feel
informed.
And she's the one, in her Sortof counterculture rebellion
(17:17):
thrust, can stand in a room ofdoctors and say stop being
protective Of what you writeabout me as a patient, because
my life depends on what you putin that chart and I want to see
it.
And if I can't see it.
I can't make an informed choiceabout what's next.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
I can't tell you how many times I've sat in a
therapist's office and with atherapist getting my own therapy
done.
Forget about anything else, andI'm going.
They just picked up the pen.
They just picked up the pen.
Now they're writing what did Isay, what are they thinking
about me, what am I going to bediagnosed with, or this, and
(18:00):
that I could definitely see thatcreating A bit more confidence
and a lot more calm In thatsituation.
The doctor explains thesethings to you and also sometimes
, if you don't see them takingnotes for a while, you're
thinking that maybe you're justway off course, that's myself
and my own experiences.
Anyway, I definitely wonderwhat's going on with the notes.
(18:21):
I think that could be reallyvaluable for any therapists.
Listening, you know, may behelpful to share some of that
stuff when I think I'm dangerous.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
Well, it could be dangerous, and I think you and
and that's the position that alot of things are you and and
that's the position that a lotof therapists take it's like
look, I need these notes for myown clinical Orientation and
they're not for the patient,they're for me To treat the
patient.
And there's this wall.
Right, and of course, some ofthat's right, but At the end of
(18:56):
the day, you know, if you can'ttalk patient-centered care and
not involve the patient in thetotality of the information flow
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Welcome to Hatching Creativity.
This isn't just anotherbehavioral health podcast.
This is the place where thoughtleaders converge to talk about
real life challenges,breakthroughs and pivotal aha
moments.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
I am really excited for today's guest, david
Whitesock.
David is with Commonly Well, heis a veteran in the industry
and I'd love to have David sharesome of his experiences and
some of the knowledge that he'sgained from his years in the
behavioral health care field tobe able to give you guys some
(00:38):
information and some things youcan walk away from.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
I'm a CEO and founder of Commonly Well, a recovery
intelligence company.
I think data analytics, butreally trying to take the
combination of clinical andqualitative quality social data
bring it together in a series ofprocess.
Intelligence to keeporganizations and behavioral
health moving like otherbusinesses do, as opposed to
(01:02):
sort of the episodic kind ofrelationships that behavioral
health has.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
You know, david, one of the things that stands out
when people see you, one of thethings that stands out when I
saw you before I got to know you, was your signature glasses,
and I think that the storybehind the glasses is really
cool.
And would you mind talking alittle bit about the idea and
(01:32):
your glasses and why you wearthe glasses that you do?
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Well, one I can't see .
Well, yes, and progressively asI get older that vision
continues to get worse.
I didn't have glasses for awhile and then when I eventually
got a pair, I kind of got apair that was consistent with my
psychology and that was one ofnot standing out.
(01:56):
But what I started to find wasgetting through my own issues of
self-confidence and esteem andhaving mentors who would tell me
you know, you've got to findways to get people to remember
you.
One of my mentors was reallygood at remembering people's
(02:18):
names and you know, he'd not seesomebody for years and the
person would show up and he'dremember their wife's name or
something, and so that alwayskind of stuck with me.
So, yeah, I started figuringout well, what could I do?
That's relatively inexpensive,that's not a flashy watch that I
can't afford.
Glasses were pretty easy, andso for a long time I wore
(02:40):
red-framed glasses.
Nobody wore red-framed, so thatpeople just You're Sally.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Jackie Raphael.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
Yeah, they're like, you're the guy with the glasses
and so, yeah, I think all of usshould find a way to do that.
You know, for a lot of people,and maybe for you, depending
upon the circumstance, it couldbe a tattoo.
It's unfortunate, but when youshow up in a place, those that
can see, obviously they seesomething on you and that's
(03:10):
where they start makingjudgments and connections.
Yeah, so now I just find a pairof chunky glasses that sort of,
you know, give my facesomething for people to remember
, because there's nothing elsehere for people to remember.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Yeah, I think that's awesome.
I think that's great.
It does stand out, but itstands out and makes you
memorable in a positive kind ofway and it also just gets the
conversation started.
And one of the things that Ireally liked about the story of
your glasses you had mentionedabout feeling awkward socially
(03:46):
and how it's difficult to go upand start a conversation with
people, and by having theglasses it's kind of a
conversation starter, almost aslike a Clark Kent, and it puts
on a persona to a degree, atleast in the beginning, where it
opens the doors.
I found with my tattoos it waslike that too it opens up doors
(04:10):
and made things a little bitless awkward to have those
initial conversations, as longas they're not asking if it hurt
.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
There's a television show or television.
We don't really do televisionanymore, but we're dating
ourselves Exactly.
On Hulu I don't know if you'rewatching the bear, no, so I love
the Bear.
It's a show about a restaurantin Chicago, yeah, and in the
second season there is a greatcouple of episodes where one of
(04:42):
the characters is reallystruggling with his purpose.
He sees, like his cousinstarting this restaurant and the
other people getting involvedand they all have like a place,
and he doesn't have this placeand he's never had a place.
At least that's the way hefeels.
His cousin, who's a world-classchef who was in Copenhagen and
(05:04):
now back in Chicago with familyand creating his thing,
understands that each of thepeople that are going to work in
this new restaurant they'rebuilding needs to get some
serious experience, and so hesends his cousin to the best
restaurant in the world for aweek.
It takes him all of the sevendays to figure out why this
restaurant does everything theydo around hospitality and
(05:30):
perfection of the plating, ofthe smudges on the forks and the
glassware.
And it takes him a week andfinally, towards the end, he
shows up to the restaurantthat's being constructed with
his cousin and he's wearing asuit, okay, and he says to
people is because he was kind ofa Chicago tough guy so he
(05:51):
wasn't wearing suits.
But he says it very clearly.
He goes I feel better when I'min this suit, I feel more
confident, I feel like I can dosomething and it's like I mean
we need those tricks forourselves.
So if it's a suit and you dothis, you do this really well.
You show up in the three pieceand the pinstripe and the button
(06:15):
down.
You know straight up and I loveit.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Spenders.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
Yeah, it's fantastic and I'm willing to bet, when you
do that, your level ofconfidence and assertiveness and
feeling like you own it is allthere, david.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
That's really interesting and I love that you
broke it down the way you did,because so often we just do
things because they make us feelgood but we also don't think
about the those implications ofthe benefit that comes with that
and the self-esteem that comeswith it.
(06:50):
And I think that's reallyimportant also when you're
working in a treatment centerand the way you show up and the
way you present yourself and theway you relate to your clients.
You know I talk with people allthe time about authenticity and
being your authentic self, andthis really lends to that.
(07:13):
You know, take pride inwhatever it is that you have,
and these things all developaround doing your own thing the
way you want to.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Yeah, can I tell a quick story?
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Absolutely.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
So one of my first days working in this peer
coaching organization back inSouth Dakota now the
organization had been going onfor a while.
I was around when it wasfounded and then I got
sidetracked by all you know,going to law school and then I
go to work for the organizationand one of the things that I had
to do was just kind of sit backand just watch things for a
(07:51):
couple of weeks because my jobwas to sort of restructure the
operations.
And I show up into the centerone day and sitting off in the
corner when the computer is aguy wearing a white t-shirt and
jeans and I knew instantly thathe had just I mean literally
(08:12):
just that day that morning comeout of prison, because there's a
prison in Sioux Falls.
People come out, they've got todo two things they got to meet
their parole officer and theygot to get a job right In
addition to finding a place tolive and all that stuff.
But he was still wearing hisprison outfit and he's kind of
sitting there by himself and Isay hello to him and he's
(08:34):
chatting back and forth.
It seemed like a super puttogether kind of guy and I said,
hey, you just came out.
He goes yeah, I said what areyou doing?
He said I'm trying to apply forjobs.
I'm like you are or you'retrying.
And he goes I am.
I said, great, do you have anyother clothes?
And he goes no.
And he says that's my problem.
I don't want to hit submit onany of these because I don't
(08:54):
think I can actually go to a jobinterview looking like this.
And I said, great, wait here.
And there's a couple of placesaround town where you can find
clothes right.
And so a few of us just gottogether and we're like let's
bring this dude some clothes sohe can go to job interviews and
just look decent.
(09:15):
Because the thing is, whateveryou put on your resume, I'm
sorry but if you go to aninterview, it's going to be how
you show up, 100%.
You know, I coached mock trialand trial advocacy and we'd have
people that were wearing suitswith arms too long and pants not
right.
And that's a judging contest.
(09:37):
As much as you want the wordsto mean something coming out of
your mouth, if you don't looktogether, it will be a
distraction from the thingyou're trying to do.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
We have conversations on this channel all the time
about judgment.
One of the things that happensso often is that we try to stop
that judgment or to try to stopourselves from judging, as
opposed to recognizing that weare judging and then just trying
(10:12):
to be introspective about whyam I judging, why do I have this
bias that I have?
Because, really, you're nevergoing to get that voice to stop,
so understanding where thevoice is coming from, and it is
some sort of a tribalism thingwhere other person's bad and
(10:36):
you're good, or they're tryingto take something as opposed to
just who is this person, what istheir intention and what type
of person is this?
And we look at these anecdotalexperiences with either
individuals or with groups ofpeople and create these
(10:58):
judgments as well.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
I think for a lot of people who are in transition
jobs, school to work that kindof stuff, or maybe they come
from a particular part of townand now they've got to try to
fit in elsewhere, and we seethis all the time in addiction
and behavioral health.
It's like no, I'm showing up aswho I am.
Yeah, that's great.
(11:22):
Except the rest of the worlddoesn't operate that way.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
It's also when people say I'm showing up as who I am,
they're showing up with apersona or in some sort of a
role that they're expected to.
For a long time I played in apunk rock bands and I played in
a lot of bands.
(11:45):
We made a lot of noise, madebad decisions, all of the whole
nine right.
When you're in your I'm at aconcert and I'm a punk kind of
mentality, you behave different.
You behave in a role, youbehave like you think you're
supposed to behave.
And I notice when my tattoosare out and I was at a show and
(12:13):
I was in that situation, I wasliving that role.
I thought I was just being me,but I was being a role and
trying to fit in.
It really is not authentic.
And when people look at thosethings and they say, well,
sometimes we try to beindividual and unique in order
to fit in with a group asopposed to really being our
(12:36):
authentic selves, and that'shard because we don't many of us
don't appreciate our authenticselves like we should.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
Yeah, I think you're right about all of that, and the
only thing I would add to thatis I oftentimes am engaging with
people who are trying to getfrom a place where their lives
were completely disrupted andnow they're trying to get back
into the flow of things and theystill kind of have this rebel
counterculture thing thatthey're living with, but they
(13:03):
need to get a job.
It's like I'm sorry, man,you've got to put that on hold
for a moment.
You just got to go work and ifyou go show up to a bank wanting
a job as a teller again I'mdating myself who goes to banks
anymore you can't show up injeans with holes in the knees.
(13:25):
You can't do it.
You've got to understand theenvironment that you're going
into.
Now you can be authentic in howyou present who you are in
terms of behind that facade.
But walk down the street Almostevery building has a facade and
it's not like it's inauthentic,covering up maybe some warts or
(13:47):
some things that you just yeah,not everybody needs to see.
I saw Ryan Holiday this morning.
I was just kind of doing mydaily stoic and then I go onto
YouTube and I check a few thingsfrom him and one of the clips
that popped up was his reminderfrom the stoics that you don't
need to have to your point aboutjudgment.
(14:10):
You don't need to have anopinion about everything.
That's true and and that worksboth ways, right, like I don't
need to have an opinion aboutyou, I don't need to have
opinion about the news.
I don't need to have it.
But I could also choose to Nothaving an opinion about a
(14:30):
certain thing that I'm enteringand Just go in, because the
objective isn't me have anopinion, the objective is me
getting the job.
Yeah right.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
Well, the other thing to consider, too, is
Understanding really what's atthe core.
So I bring up punk, right, Ibring up punk music and and the
punk mentality, right.
But really what is a punkmentality?
It's rebellion against the norm, rebellion against things that
(15:00):
are Unequitable or, um, you know, standing up for what's right.
I mean, that's really what Punkrock music is about, right, and
and that whole kind of scene ingenre it it got skewed with so
many other things the tattoos,the uniforms, all that stuff
(15:21):
that everybody was wearing.
The point is is it's arebellion against the status quo
.
What I do right now Running asoftware company that makes it
easier for people to treatpeople in behavioral health or
treat people who are having veryserious health conditions is as
punk as it can get, whether I'mwearing a suit or a jacket or
(15:48):
Sweater or whatever it is.
So it's really aboutunderstanding, like, what do I
really want to be and what do Ireally want to do is is is it
about An act or what I'm wearing, or is it about what I'm
actually doing and what I'mactually bringing to the world,
because we all, I hope, want tobring good to the world.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
Yeah, many years ago I was fortunate to have gotten a
Fellowship from a privatefoundation in minnesota and it
allowed me to spend two years tojust kind of travel around and
learn about data and Datascience, and one of the places
that it took me was to ted med,and so I went to ted med
conference two years in a row.
(16:30):
I meet this person.
Her name is liz liz salmi andJust one of the most remarkable
human beings I've ever met.
Kind of like you, punk rockused to run in a in a punk rock
band.
She's tatted up, she isaggressive but super
compassionate.
You know.
She is out there looking theway she looks.
(16:52):
Half the time her head isshaved, covering up scars, maybe
with half of it not shaved, andshe's standing on stages
talking about why, from apatient perspective, why doctors
and health systems andtherapists and counselors need
to open their notes to patientsso that patients can feel
informed.
And she's the one, in her Sortof counterculture rebellion
(17:17):
thrust, can stand in a room ofdoctors and say stop being
protective Of what you writeabout me as a patient, because
my life depends on what you putin that chart and I want to see
it.
And if I can't see it.
I can't make an informed choiceabout what's next.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
I can't tell you how many times I've sat in a
therapist's office and with atherapist getting my own therapy
done.
Forget about anything else, andI'm going.
They just picked up the pen.
They just picked up the pen.
Now they're writing what did Isay, what are they thinking
about me, what am I going to bediagnosed with, or this, and
(18:00):
that I could definitely see thatcreating A bit more confidence
and a lot more calm In thatsituation.
The doctor explains thesethings to you and also sometimes
, if you don't see them takingnotes for a while, you're
thinking that maybe you're justway off course, that's myself
and my own experiences.
Anyway, I definitely wonderwhat's going on with the notes.
(18:21):
I think that could be reallyvaluable for any therapists.
Listening, you know, may behelpful to share some of that
stuff when I think I'm dangerous.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
Well, it could be dangerous, and I think you and
and that's the position that alot of things are you and and
that's the position that a lotof therapists take it's like
look, I need these notes for myown clinical Orientation and
they're not for the patient,they're for me To treat the
patient.
And there's this wall.
Right, and of course, some ofthat's right, but At the end of
(18:56):
the day, you know, if you can'ttalk patient-centered care and
not involve the patient in thetotality of the information flow
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