Hate Watching Hell Of A Summer: A slasher film with an identity crisis

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
God for once.
Can't we just enjoy the show?

Speaker 2 (00:03):
Is that you Tony-ing up the whole thing?
No, we cannot.
Dan Goodsell, hey watching withDan and Tony.
Hey watching with Dan and Tony.
It's like watching.

Speaker 1 (00:20):
Yeah, Welcome to hey Watching with Dan and Tony.
I'm Dan, I'm Tony On this show.
We watch a movie, and sometimeswe watch a movie that came out
within current memory or currenttimes.

Speaker 2 (00:35):
Current memory.
My memory very short so I'm notsure this qualifies.
Also, this technically came outin 23.
What, what?

Speaker 1 (00:45):
are you talking about ?
So it?

Speaker 2 (00:45):
premiered at some film festival I don't remember
which one In 2023.
Then it got its release laterbecause someone picked it up.
I should have looked all thisup, but yeah, so it premiered
two years ago, got distributionlast year or something, and then
finally has been released onthe home videos okay, uh, tell

(01:09):
us what movie this is well, herelet's set, let's set the stage.
I'll tell a tale, um, so Idon't like finn wolfhard, and uh
, and then, and then it turnsout he wrote and co-wrote and
co-directed I, I think andco-starred in a movie and I was
like, well, I have to watch thismovie at some point, and I knew

(01:30):
it was going to make me mad.
So I feel like we should do itfor this podcast.
I didn't say the name of it,did I no?
And so the movie is Hell of aSummer, I don't know.
Is it a parody?
It's hell of a summer, I don'tknow.
Is it a parody?
It's not really a parody, butit's a slasher of sorts.

Speaker 1 (01:50):
It's kind of like what Scream wanted to do it
wants to be self-referential anddisassemble the concepts, but
it doesn't disassemble anyconcepts.
It doesn't posit any newconcepts.

Speaker 2 (02:08):
No.

Speaker 1 (02:09):
It does not have any thrills, it does not have any
chills.

Speaker 2 (02:13):
It did have a couple of laughs, for me at least.

Speaker 1 (02:18):
There's some jokes in it, but I would say they're not
supported Because what they'lldo is they'll sort of throw a
joke and then drift intosomething else and so jokes.
Comedy has to be built rightfor something to be comedic, and

(02:39):
I watched the first nineminutes of Hard Eyes, which is
also, oh yes, the first nineminutes of hard eyes, which is
also oh yes.
And you were just like youcompare hard eyes to this movie
and you're like, well, hard eyeshas blood, has guts.
Also looks like it's skeweringthe thing.
Also, you're like, okay, Ithink they're going to be making

(03:00):
fun of a thing.
You know it's.
It's, it sets you up, it's ifthis movie is sort of a, it's
sort of a tepid slasher campmovie, yep, character study
thing okay, sure, sure, I willsay, I'm gonna say two things

(03:21):
say two things number one.

Speaker 2 (03:23):
I liked this movie way more than I thought I was
going to, so that's great forthe movie.
Yes, it's not a good movie, Idon't think.

Speaker 1 (03:31):
No.

Speaker 2 (03:32):
I liked it way more than I thought I was going to.
I went in with a real badattitude.
I was like by the end I waslike, okay, you know, I enjoyed
parts of it.
So I didn't hate this movielike I thought I was going to.
What I do want to say is one ofthe guys I think his name is

(03:53):
billy brick.
I think this is the guy I tried.
Well, he's the um.
He's the guy that's obsessedwith the killings happening due
to hotness and he's upset thathe didn't get killed first.
That guy, Bobby.

Speaker 1 (04:08):
Okay, it is Bobby, probably the most interesting
character.

Speaker 2 (04:12):
Without a doubt.

Speaker 1 (04:13):
for me, yes, he's almost a developed character
Almost.

Speaker 2 (04:17):
I think he does his best.
Oh yeah, because if you look atall the characters right, there
aren't really characters.
In my opinion, except for himand the other lead guy.
Yes, those are the only twopeople with like somewhat
defined characters and I thinkit comes down to the actor, like

(04:39):
I think he made a choice and Ithink he stuck to it and I think
he's very funny.

Speaker 1 (04:44):
When they give him like decent lines.

Speaker 2 (04:47):
He delivers them really well.
And there are some people inthis movie finn wolfhard that
can't deliver a line, even ifit's written by him, which we'll
talk about later.
Uh, but this kid was great.
I I loved him a lot and he waslike he was a real standout for
me.
So before I you know get madand yell at the movie, I just
want to say he was wonderful.

Speaker 1 (05:06):
Yeah, and that's why this movie kind of has two
things.
It has that going for it whereyou have a couple of characters
and I think all the actors,everybody looks different,
everybody sort of brings a realenergy to it, a real energy to
it and, you know, it kind offeels real.
It feels not real, but it feelslike a real movie in the in

(05:28):
terms of the characters doingthings.
Their arcs are not properlydefined, sure, and so you're,
you know, a lot of times you'resort of left going like, well,
okay, I, you know, and the otherthing is it's I can, you can
sort of say this it's shotreally well, right, in some ways

(05:49):
, yeah, yeah, yeah, for surethere's an expense to the way
the movie looks.

Speaker 2 (05:55):
Especially for the fact that it was made on $3
million Is that what it was.

Speaker 1 (05:59):
This was made for $3 million.

Speaker 2 (06:01):
I think that's what the reported budget is.
I will look it up, but I'mpretty sure it was like super
cheap okay.

Speaker 1 (06:07):
Well, whoever the cinematographer was, they should
.

Speaker 2 (06:10):
It's a it's a reported budget of three million
, which is it's?

Speaker 1 (06:14):
it's insane if you think about it like, compared to
a lot of things.

Speaker 2 (06:17):
we watch the in the lost lands that we just talked
about shot for like a hundredmillion or some.
I don't.
I don't know what it is, but 3million Wonderful.

Speaker 1 (06:28):
Great job, shooting this, lighting this, doing the
whole thing.

Speaker 2 (06:32):
Work forever.

Speaker 1 (06:34):
All night shots.
Everything's at night, yeah,which is expensive to shoot.

Speaker 2 (06:39):
You have to light the outdoors.
I don't know if you guys haveever shot outside at night.
You literally have to makelight in the outdoors.
I don't know if you guys haveever shot outside at night.
You literally have to makelight in the night.
And that is not cheap.
You gotta get generators.
You gotta get huge lights thatlight forever, but not so much
that it looks like daylight.
It's tough.
I can't do it.
I've tried.

Speaker 1 (06:56):
There's a few directing things that were
problematic just from astandpoint.

Speaker 2 (07:00):
Probably just throwing out probably all Finn's
decisions, All the ones thatwere.

Speaker 1 (07:05):
You kind of feel there's like two or three things
I'm going to bring up thatyou're just kind of like oh,
they did not have coverage, theydid not know how to shoot this,
they did not figure it outbeforehand, and they got there
and then they shot it and thenthey were like well, that's,
this is what we got.
Three million dollars, that'swhat we got three million

(07:30):
dollars.

Speaker 2 (07:30):
That's what we got.
Listen, I mean, that's thething.
I try to make it make sense.
I don't know how long theirshoot was, but for three million
it's not very long, no right.
So you, you get probably two,three takes at a thing and
you're like we got to move on orwe're not going to finish this
movie.
We gotta go.
I've been in those situations.
It's not fun, um but it.
You know.
You make it work.
It's an adventure.
And then you see what you seeat the end of the movie.

Speaker 1 (07:46):
You have to imagine the editor was sitting there
going like what the fuck werethey doing?

Speaker 2 (07:50):
How do I make this work?

Speaker 1 (07:52):
How am I supposed to make sense of this?
Can we, can we, can we?
And I don't even know how muchADR this movie had, because
there was probably some thingswhere you could ADR and some
stuff and fix some little thingsand it doesn't feel like they
did.
Yeah, definitely not.

Speaker 2 (08:06):
Again, that's an extra expense in post.
Because, once you wrap thatmovie you're like, well, all of
our money's gone.
We can try to go get morefunding to fix things in post,
but it's all expensive and for$3 million that doesn't go very
far in this industry.
But honestly, great job.

Speaker 1 (08:26):
And they're not worried about us assholes that
are watching it and being like,oh not in Tisk, Tisk.
You know what?

Speaker 2 (08:29):
I think Finn's worried.
Okay, he feels like the kind ofguy that would be worried about
us.

Speaker 1 (08:36):
Based on the character he plays, I have the
feeling he takes it very easyand is like yeah, whatever the
kid's rich, Everybody loves him.

Speaker 2 (08:45):
He's having a great life.
He doesn't have to do anythingfor the next 40 years well, so
let's talk about the movie yeah,let's talk about it hell of a
summer.

Speaker 1 (08:55):
Just realized today why it's called that uh 2025
hour.
You're not gonna explain itwell, I'll explain it when I get
to it.

Speaker 2 (09:06):
Oh, I'm sorry.
Okay, well, you brought it up.
I was waiting for anexplanation because I don't know
the answer.

Speaker 1 (09:12):
Yeah, you will when I explain it to you.
Okay, we set up, we have acampfire, we have a dude tuning
his guitar, there's bugs gettingzapped, zapping bugs.
He's a beard guy, then there'sa blonde lady.
Then they sort of sing.
He sings the Camp Pineway song,which is where we're at.
They're at Camp Pineway.

(09:32):
We're going to find out thatthese are the two Owners, slash
people that run it Jack andDiane.
What were their names?
No clue.

Speaker 2 (09:42):
They do say it, because the Jason guy says it
multiple times Like so-and-soaren't here yet.
Yeah, never remembered.

Speaker 1 (09:49):
I just didn't write it down.

Speaker 2 (09:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (09:51):
He goes to get more beers.
We have the shaky cam, which isyour classic view of the killer
.
Um, he's gone.
I guess he was killed with theguitar.
I don't remember how he waskilled with the guitar.

Speaker 2 (10:04):
Well, because you don't know how he was killed
with a guitar.

Speaker 1 (10:08):
Because they don't show it Tony's angry.

Speaker 2 (10:10):
Well, listen, I understand We'll talk about it
later.
I understand why we don't see acouple of deaths.
It makes sense.
But if you're going to openyour movie, your horror movie,
your big opening, your DrewBarrymore moment, if we're going
with the scream thing, I got tosee something.

(10:30):
Okay, I can't not see thisdeath.
All of a sudden you cut away tothe lady and then she walks
over and he's got a guitarthrough his neck, which is a
cool death.
I would love to watch thathappen.
And you're just like oh look, italready happened.
And then we're out.

Speaker 1 (10:47):
Let's go on with the movie.
Three million dollars.

Speaker 2 (10:50):
I don't care, you spend money on that opening shot
.
This is what's supposed to makeme stay in the movie theater.
If I watch this movie, I'm likeI'm done, I'm bored.

Speaker 1 (10:59):
This is a dumb movie, lady runs for the car, gets in
the car and is like looking outat this shot of the forest you
know the headlights beaming andyou're like I don't see anything
.
They cut back to her.
She's still looking.
Show it again.
I don't see anything.
Cut back to her again she fallsforward Slides off the knife.

(11:20):
Slides off the knife.
She stabbed through the back ofthe head.
Great, yes, that was awesome.

Speaker 2 (11:27):
10 out of 10.

Speaker 1 (11:27):
Just like that was cool, I was surprised.

Speaker 2 (11:31):
If you showed me him getting killed with a guitar and
then cap it off with a veryclever death, clever, so you
have like a nice gory classicdeath and then a nice clever
subversion death, I'm it.

Speaker 1 (11:45):
I'm like, okay, you know what you're doing, let's do
this thing and we're halfwaythere, we're halfway there, guy
in the back seat wearing a devilmask yeah, what's the title of
this movie?

Speaker 2 (11:57):
oh, hell of a summer.
It's because he's from hellhe's wearing.

Speaker 1 (12:01):
A devil is from hell, you gotta, you gotta.

Speaker 2 (12:04):
Cue us up on that a little little more somehow, yeah
, something they did not cue usup on that at all also not, you
didn't think you missed it,never even crossed my mind.
I missed it, which isinteresting.

Speaker 1 (12:16):
Yeah, well, if dan missed it you know it's, my
thing is like I know I shouldget it at the end.

Speaker 2 (12:24):
We should all get it at the end, but they don't.

Speaker 1 (12:26):
They never do anything about it, the bad guy
should be Satanists or somethinglike that.

Speaker 2 (12:31):
Something, because here's the thing A devil mask.
Why, why?
What does it have to do withanything?

Speaker 1 (12:37):
It does not, and that's kind of the major problem
with this movie is what does?

Speaker 2 (12:41):
that have to do with anything.
Yeah, nothing with this movieis.

Speaker 1 (12:44):
What does that have to do with anything?
Yeah, nothing, nobody, nothingat all.
You know, when we do find outwhy the oh spoilers, when we do
find out why it happened, we'rekind of we're underwhelmed,
we're like, oh, that's whatwe're.
Oh, who cares?

Speaker 2 (12:55):
yeah, yeah, real silly, real real.
I I don't, I don't know um andit.
I'm not saying it has to meansomething, right, like the ghost
face doesn't really meananything, yeah, but it's iconic,
like a devil mask is just sogeneric to me.
And also, that TV show used adevil mask for their kills too.

(13:19):
What was that show?
They follow like a sorority,and Glenn Powell's in it God, I
love that guy.
He's great.
I'll look up the name of it,but you keep going.

Speaker 1 (13:28):
Well, in Scream you know it's a plastic man.
It feels like somethingsomebody just bought at the
Halloween store.

Speaker 2 (13:37):
Right, because they did like that's the whole point.
And then other in the sequels,other people, even in the first
one they have that costume andthey're running around the
school like, ah, we're having agood time, people are getting
murdered, which is fuck,wonderfully fucked up, um, but
like that's the whole thing.
It's like a.
It's a, it's just a thing.
They stole, and same with uh,you know, michael grabs his mask
from a convenience store orwhatever, like a devil mask is.

(14:00):
Just I don't know, it's just soweird to me, it's just like why
is this here?
what are we doing?

Speaker 1 (14:06):
you need to have.
You know, you need to havecharacters explain things, or we
, we, we come to understandthings right, yes, and that that
has to be part of it.
It's this thing is they'retrying to set it up that it was
a satanic cult that did all thisand then we find out that it
wasn't a satanic cult, it wasjust these people playing at it,

(14:27):
or it is a satanic.
You know, unless you're goingto have like whatever that, that
that one I said called the onewhere the what's her name and
the guy are out in the cabin,sort of away from things, and
then, like the three people,show up wearing the masks the
home invasion.

(14:48):
What masks the home invasion?
What, oh that's.
That's my favorite movie.
I don't think shannon can watchthat one because I can't.

Speaker 2 (14:51):
It's so terrifying I so I have a real problem with
like home and movies that I'mlike oh, that probably really
happens, like that's definitelysomething that absolutely
happens.
Uh, freaks me out.
Yeah, I can't.
I can't do it that's yourstrangers.

Speaker 1 (15:05):
The strangers, that's your wife's favorite movie.

Speaker 2 (15:08):
She loves the strangers, loves it and I'm like
I just it depresses me.
It's not like I don't getscared, I get sad because I'm
like these people are justtrying to live their lives and
they're just they're gettingmurdered yeah, I don't know, it
bumps me out.
I can't, uh, I can't handlethem.
That just just makes me sad.
Not, I don't get.
I like to watch horror moviesand be like yeah, this is fun,

(15:28):
murder these fuckers.
Yeah, just those movies justmake me sad, yeah and that's.

Speaker 1 (15:33):
The other thing is, we have the movies where you
know, teenagers are punished forhaving sex.

Speaker 2 (15:38):
Okay, you're having sex now you're gonna die, that's
right and maybe that's ajealousy thing for me, you know,
because I didn't get to do itwhen I was a teenager but yeah,
they should die.

Speaker 1 (15:47):
Get rid of them so devil mask, hell of a summer
boom.
We have the titles, we havescream queens.

Speaker 2 (15:53):
By the way, I did look it up, the name of the show
is scream queens, and they alsouse a devil mask costume as
their killer, and that is a showthat's like poking fun at the
horror industry.
So so this just, you got to dosomething different.

Speaker 1 (16:06):
Yeah, our boy Jason.
His name is Jason, right, jason.

Speaker 2 (16:14):
Yeah, for sure the camp leader.

Speaker 1 (16:16):
Jason is a 24-year-old.
He's avoiding an internship,going back to this camp that he
loves.
It's probably after his.
You know this is like he hasgrown, maybe too old for doing
this Camp Pineway.
He's nostalgic and you knowyour mom is like you should
think about your future andbecoming a lawyer.
But no, this is his place, thisis his comfort zone.

(16:41):
That's right, that's right.
I love that.
This kid's good he's.

Speaker 2 (16:45):
He's gonna have plenty of work he, he's already
had plenty of work.
He is, yeah, and he's so weirdin some stuff, but in this he's
like actually somewhat human,which I appreciate, because
there I don't.
There is what is he's in this,like the woman in the window
across the street or something,uh, and he just plays like the

(17:06):
weirdest guy you're ever gonnameet and it was just like is
this guy not human?
But this balances that out alittle bit, which I appreciate.

Speaker 1 (17:13):
Yeah uh, now we have your boy, finn wolfhard, who's
playing chris, and his boy,bobby, who's wearing the puka
shells at first.
First I thought Bobby was inlove with Chris, but that's not
the case.
It might still be the case.

Speaker 2 (17:31):
It's not the case, are you sure?
Because at one point, oh sorry.

Speaker 1 (17:35):
I think Bobby went with the girl who ends up with
Chris initially, but there's aline in the movie where Bobby is
like you don't deserve him andI don't deserve him.

Speaker 2 (17:54):
Shannon I think Shannon's the girl which is the
girl that Finn is interested in.
So I still, I still think thatthere's an element of of that.

Speaker 1 (18:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (18:03):
So you're not quite sure if it's hero worship or
he's in love with him or and youknow why it's very, very
unclear is because Finn actuallyisn't in the movie as much as
anyone else.
So his character is to me theleast developed.
But also, as the editor, Iwould have cut him out of
everything because he's also theworst actor in this movie.

(18:24):
Do we agree on that?

Speaker 1 (18:28):
I mean he doesn't do anything, but it's his movie,
Dan.

Speaker 2 (18:33):
It's his movie, so he should be doing something.

Speaker 1 (18:36):
I think the idea is he's like this is an ensemble,
guys, but he should have acharacter.

Speaker 2 (18:43):
Yeah, he should have a character and he should play
the character and he should landthe jokes that he writes for
himself, which he does not.
He does not deliver the jokescorrectly.
Please, am I being too tooharsh on Finn Because I didn't
laugh a single time at his jokes.
I don't feel like he hascomedic timing on any level.

Speaker 1 (19:03):
I think you're being harsh on him, but he, he did not
exist in the movie.
So what you're doing is you'relooking at what little he did
and saying it's terrible.

Speaker 2 (19:15):
I'm saying he wasn't given enough.

Speaker 1 (19:16):
No, I just yeah.
He just didn't really play apart in the movie.

Speaker 2 (19:20):
Okay, so here's, I'm going to jump ahead just a touch
, just a little bit.
There's a moment later in thefilm where their tires have been
slashed when they're trying toescape and they all run out, and
Finn's character used hisstepdad's car and he goes oh
fuck, dale, just got thesereplaced, or something like that
.
Yeah, which is like could be avery funny line, because you're

(19:42):
life and death stakes and thefirst thing you think about is
like, oh, my stepdad's going tokill me.
That line should make me laugh.
Instead, it did not make melaugh, and he wrote it.

Speaker 1 (19:52):
Well, your point being is we should have set up
from minute one.

Speaker 2 (20:00):
He should be obsessed with Dale or whatever.
Yeah, he should have somethingAnyhow, and here's why the other
guy that wrote and direct isthe bobby guy right, I have no
idea, I'll hold on.
I'm pretty sure it's the bobbyguy and that's why his character
bothers me so much, because theother guy that wrote and

(20:22):
directed has a great characterin this movie yeah, well, yeah,
so it's, it's billy, it's yeah,it's this, billy brick I feel
like I'm saying the name billybrick and finn wrote and
directed it together.
So bobby and finn's character.
What is his name?
Chris?
Chris, okay, are the two peoplethat wrote and directed this
film, and there is a starkcontrast in the level of

(20:45):
character work, acting ability,jokes.
It's so apparent to me that oneof them can do stuff and one of
them can't.

Speaker 1 (20:59):
Well, they should not have played the two roles
together.
First of all, that's a hugemistake.
Sure, they should not haveplayed the two roles together.
First of all, that's a hugemistake.
Sure, they should have playedand I think that's what part of
the frisson of the movie is isthat the Jason character, who's
your protagonist, and Bobby, whois your sort of sub-protagonist

(21:19):
?
He's sort of your B-plot?
Yes, and it just horror moviescan't really afford to have
another character.
That's a full B plot.
Sure, you know.

Speaker 2 (21:31):
Yeah, sure.

Speaker 1 (21:31):
I mean this movie's an hour and 28 minutes, so that
means an hour and 20.
Yeah, and we're out.
So I mean this movie and it hasa lot of setup.

Speaker 2 (21:42):
It does.
It does have a lot, maybe toomuch.

Speaker 1 (21:46):
I don.
It has a lot of setup, it does.
It does have a lot, maybe toomuch, I don't know.
Yeah, it's a lot of setup andthen when things get rolling,
they roll very quickly and anddon't necessarily go anywhere
exactly um, so yeah I don't knowum.
We don't know what time, whattime period this is.

Speaker 2 (21:59):
We find out eventually that it's now I think
yeah, only because the phones,the phone and like social media
is like a big thing.
So I mean it could be anyanywhere in the last 10 years, I
guess.
But in the beginning there aremoments where I'm like, is this
the 80s?
Is this is this like?
Is this a throwback to fridaythe 13th, like 1984?
I'm a little confused yeah.

Speaker 1 (22:21):
So you need to.
You need to tell us that upfront.
What, what year it is, just tomake things easier on us so
we're not confused.
Boom, we get there, it'scounselor weekend, so we're not
going to have any kids, so thecounselors are just going to do
their counseling.
We meet Demi who has giantwhite boots and lots of luggage

(22:45):
which our boy, jason, has tobring in.
Oh, there are cell phones.
He makes an E-Way joke.
I think Jason makes the E-Wayjoke.
I don't know what the E-Wayjoke was, but it was a good joke
.

Speaker 2 (23:01):
Yeah, I don't remember it.
I'm sure it was great.

Speaker 1 (23:03):
We meet Ezra, the theater guy.
Here comes Jason, he's comingback.
I wrote Field of Death, ezra'sworking on his Field of Death
script, which never comes back.

Speaker 2 (23:18):
Nope, nope, not a part of this movie at all.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (23:24):
This character, Ezra, very lost, doesn't ever have
much of anything to do?
I don't think.

Speaker 2 (23:30):
I think he has my favorite line of the movie he's
got a good joke later yeah.
I think it's him.
It makes sense.
I wrote down the line but don'ttotally remember it.
It's a theater joke, so Iassume he's the one that throws
it out.

Speaker 1 (23:44):
But Shannon is the girl that's into Chris, chris
and Bobby.
Here they come um.
Then there's Jean, short girl,who is Claire, claire's into
Jason, jason's into Claire's,but neither of them wants to
sort of admit it yeah um, andthen he helps her get into her
cabin by moving the door so itisn't locked.

(24:07):
That never comes back into play.

Speaker 2 (24:10):
Yeah, other than like he knows the camp really well.

Speaker 1 (24:13):
I think maybe that's the you know yeah, John and
Kathy are the people who run theplace, and we find out that
Claire had had a boyfriend, butit fell apart, and so Jason was
initially like oh my God.
And then he's like, oh my God,I'm still in.

Speaker 2 (24:30):
Still in baby.
I mean, you know, it would havebeen fun as if, like during a
chase scene, they brought backthat door thing.
Yeah, there's all stuff you cando.

Speaker 1 (24:39):
There's a note from John and Kathy saying we're not
going to be there yet, Just goon without us.
We meet Miley, who is a redheadvegetarian, and then this other
brunette she's vegan.
Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (24:58):
They make a point of saying it's different later.
It's the same thing, that she'snot vegetarian.

Speaker 1 (25:02):
It's the same thing.

Speaker 2 (25:03):
It's not the same thing, Dan.
Pretty much the same thing thatshe's not vegetarian.

Speaker 1 (25:06):
It's the same thing.
It's not the same thing, dan,pretty much the same thing.

Speaker 2 (25:07):
You've just upset 30% of our audience.

Speaker 1 (25:10):
Same thing.
There's another.
There's a brunette goth girlnamed Noel, who's also psychic,
and then this guy, ari, who's afilmmaker, I guess.

Speaker 2 (25:23):
Yeah, I guess, okay, so guess.

Speaker 1 (25:26):
Yeah, okay, so that's everybody.

Speaker 2 (25:29):
Just a hodgepodge of characters here.

Speaker 1 (25:32):
Sorry.
And then there's Mike, who isthe sportsman, oh right, yeah.
Stupid tough guy.
They put their phones in abasket because it have to,
because it's camp time no phonecamp time no phones.

Speaker 2 (25:47):
I love that.

Speaker 1 (25:47):
We have a little boat bow and arrow practice where
Claire is batted bow and thenbow and arrow and then Jason
gives her.

Speaker 2 (25:56):
you know some tutelage, but a non sexy.
This is a.
This is a scene I really Ireally liked.
So there are I don't know whoit is down the way, but someone
further down out of our side ofthese two characters is also
doing an archery lesson and he'sdoing this sexy thing where
he's wrapped around her andhelping her pull back.

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And Claire Claire, yeah WantsJason to do that.
So she's like, oh, you teach mehow to do it.

Speaker 1 (26:26):
She does not say it like that.

Speaker 2 (26:28):
No, she doesn't, but that's in her mind.
She's like, oh, touch me andshow me how to do it.
And Jason takes two steps backand reels down and he's like, ok
, now I need you to do this.
The look of disappointment onher face is really great.
It's a nice little scene.
It shows some character work.
You know, it's nice to havethat every once in a while in

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this movie.

Speaker 1 (26:50):
So then she gets a little better, and then he goes
up, steps up and shows that heis very proficient with the bow.

Speaker 2 (26:56):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (26:59):
Super good at it.
And then we get he has a greatline.
She's sort of like why are theJohn and Kathy not here?
And Jason's like, well, I thinkmaybe they're not here because
they're testing me to see if I'mready to take over this
responsibility.
I'm like, okay, yeah, all right, that sounds good, it's nice,
it's nice.

Speaker 2 (27:18):
Yeah, he's delusional .
I love it, love it.

Speaker 1 (27:20):
And that's kind of why this thing doesn't really
work is the terrible people,which is sort of everybody else,
but sort of not everybody else.
They don't really have thatmuch disdain for him.
Yes, they just don't registerhis existence.

Speaker 2 (27:38):
Yeah, quite literally .
Bobby is like I don't know whoyou are.
We've been going to camp forsix years together.
I don't know who you are.
We've been going to camp forsix years together, I don't know
who you are.

Speaker 1 (27:46):
Yeah, so you needed to have some of the characters
have actual disdain for him.

Speaker 2 (27:52):
Sure.

Speaker 1 (27:52):
So that you really set up that imbalance.
I think yeah, he's grillingburgers.
Miley demands a vegan one,bobby gets a vegan one.
He's putting the moves on her.

Speaker 2 (28:10):
It does not go well this is where you'd get the
differentiation different, yeah,between vegetarian, vegan,
because he says vegetarian atfirst and she's like, well, I'm
vegan.
He's like you didn't let mefinish.
Vegetarian for two years, veganfor 18 months, which is like it
was funny.
I thought it was funny, okay.

(28:30):
Well, I'll let him know.
He had some good jokes, Iguarantee you.
He wrote all of his own stuff.

Speaker 1 (28:37):
Oh, he totally did.

Speaker 2 (28:38):
Because he's the only character that has like jokes
real, actual jokes.

Speaker 1 (28:43):
But I think, because you sort of shift into things so
much, he sort of he disappearsand he doesn't get to roll.

Speaker 2 (28:52):
Yes, 100 percent.

Speaker 1 (28:53):
You know, it's just like seen and gone.
Yeah, Billy Burgers, the movieguy has a nut allergy and then
loses his mind talking aboutsocial anxiety.

Speaker 2 (29:06):
Yeah, what a weird.
And do you get the feeling andmaybe I'm way off on this, but
did you get the feeling thatmaybe Finn and Billy don't like
their generation?
No, because it feels like thereare like the, the vegan ladies
kind of made fun of.
This guy is like the mostannoying person where I was like

(29:28):
I've got a nut allergy.
Uh, socially, people with nutallergies are more socially
awkward or something like itjust feels like they're kind of
poking fun, which is fine, Idon't think it's bad, I you know
, I agree.
Uh, I just thought it wasinteresting that the things that
they chose to make fun of werelike, I don't know, not
necessarily the things that Iwould have chose to make fun of

(29:48):
you know, they don't go hardenough.
Sure, yeah, yeah, no, I get that.

Speaker 1 (29:53):
Because everything feels sort of.
You know, we sort of set upthis sort of level where it's
like well, they're kind ofquirky, but they're also
normally grounded people.
Sure, nobody's like.
You think of Breakfast Club.
I don't know if you rememberthat movie, of course, I
remember that movie.
Ally Sheedy's character is likeshe stuffs her head in a bag,

(30:19):
she puts jelly beans on a peanutbutter sandwich and you're like
this girl's weird Sure, and youknow it turns out she's not
that weird, but you know.

Speaker 2 (30:34):
Well, that's character development for her.

Speaker 1 (30:35):
Yes, we learn who she really is.
All these characters all seemlike well, I'm kind of quirky.
Yeah, I'm a little bit quirky.
Yeah, I'm kind of quirky.
Sure, yeah, yeah, you know, andit's like nobody's swinging for
the fences except the Bobby guywho's trying to get going, but
everything else sort of bringshim, pulls him back down.
Right back down to nice.

(30:56):
You know nothings.
You know nobody gets bullied.
Jason never gets bullied inhere.
Yeah, which is a little weird,right?
Bullying is a key component toall these kinds of movies.
You know, I don't know.
Okay, boom, somebody mentionsRyan Gosling.
So you're like, well, we werein a world that exists with Ryan

(31:16):
Gosling.

Speaker 2 (31:17):
Every world that exists should have a Ryan
Gosling.

Speaker 1 (31:21):
Night falls, demi is brushing your hair and then she
gets murdered.

Speaker 2 (31:29):
blood splattering everywhere yeah, yeah, okay, but
you don't see it you don't seeit and at first I was like, oh
god, is this whole movie gonnabe off-screen deaths?
Because I'm going to lose myshit.

Speaker 1 (31:49):
Now, did you suspect anything when we didn't?

Speaker 2 (31:50):
see her death?
I honestly didn't.
No, because you know what Maybethis is proving me wrong,
because they did set me upbecause I was like, oh great,
this is just a low budget pieceof shit where all the deaths are
going to be off-screen becausewe don't have the effects
department on set.
So maybe that was their planall along, was you?
Don't show the first death,because it sets up the fact that

(32:11):
we're not going to show thenext couple we're doing.

Speaker 1 (32:14):
The campfire mark is talking about knocking out a cop
, which was one of those weirdscenes.
It's a weird through line.
You don't understand what it is.
You're like nope, did he reallydo it?
Did he not do it?

Speaker 2 (32:27):
what does it mean?
right, like he definitely didn'tdo it, but I, I don't know it's
.
It's weird because they this isthe thing that they kind of
make a through line where hetalks about this a couple times
and then at the end of the movie, how he saves himself, is using
the same line from that story,which is I'm a liar.
Yeah, oh, the whole.

(32:50):
I don't.
I don't understand the wholestory.
But the story ends with the copsays something and I said I'm a
liar.
And then I roundhouse kickedhim in the face or something
like that.
And then at the end, when he'sabout to die, end, when he's
about to die, when he's gettingbrutally murdered, he's like, oh
, one more thing, I'm a liar.
And then jabs the knife intothe guy's neck or whatever bobby

(33:11):
does bobby is his line againsthim.

Speaker 1 (33:14):
Yeah, oh, okay, I I missed all of that that is it
happened dan that's my character.
I was watching that story andI'm like I don't understand
anything that's happened withthis.
Sure, it doesn't make any sense.

Speaker 2 (33:31):
It doesn't tell me about the character I feel like
they wrote it backwards wherethey were, like this would be a
fun way to end the movie, butlet's make some sort of a story
that they can come from.
I don't know, Because that'swhat happens that they can come
from I don't know, becausethat's what happens.
He uses the line and then stabsMike in the neck.

Speaker 1 (33:48):
Ah, that's all I got.
Okay, jason's in his cabinlooking at a photo.
Claire jump scares him and Iwas like, oh, maybe Claire's the
killer, but they never set itup that we think anybody that's
still alive can be the killer.

Speaker 2 (34:02):
Right.
So in a movie like this, weshouldn't know, we should
suspect everyone, we shouldn'tsuspect no one.
You know what I mean.
So, like there was never amoment where I thought, oh, it's
Mike and Demi, yeah, but therewas also never a moment where I

(34:23):
was like it's one of these kids.
I was like I have no idea whothe killer is, but I'm also not
that interested, like I'm nottrying to figure it out, I'm
just like what's happening?
I don't, I don't know what'sgoing on.
I just assumed that it was thefirst two people and you know, I
don't know they faked their owndeaths somehow.
But you know, that would beweird, wait, so you did figure

(34:45):
that out very early.
No, no, no, I'm saying thepeople that own the camp.
Oh, I see, yes, I was like,well, maybe it's them, but that
would be weird because we sawthem die.

Speaker 1 (34:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (34:57):
I don't know, but I just said no.
I had no, but I said no.
There was never a moment whereI'm like, oh shit, it's this
person, oh, it's this person, oh, it's this person.

Speaker 1 (35:08):
They should have.
You have to pick that personwho you're going to try to In
each scene.
You have to understand who itis you're trying to pin it on
Right.

Speaker 2 (35:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (35:23):
And this would have been a great scene for Claire.
For you to pin it on, claire,yeah, for sure, you know,
because she comes in there andis like, why aren't you at the
campfire?
And he's like, oh, they don'twant me there.
And then she's like, fuck that,we're going to go.
And she's like they'reinsufferable.
And I'm like, well, this is thepoint where they need to.
I mean, I wasn't thinking thisduring the movie, but now, sure,

(35:44):
she should have then picked upa knife and gone.
They're insufferable, bang.
And you're like, oh, she killedDemi.
Fuck, Demi.

Speaker 2 (35:53):
You know Demi was a bitch to Jason at the beginning.

Speaker 1 (35:56):
I'm like oh, claire, but every time we see Claire,
she is just like puppy dog eyestowards Jason, sort of which.
We see Claire, she is just likepuppy dog eyes towards Jason,
sort of.

Speaker 2 (36:04):
Which is kind of weird, but also not to bring it
back to Scream.
Not everything needs to beScream.
You know what I mean, but allI'm saying is the entire movie
of Scream is them making fun ofthe fact that everyone needs to
be a suspect?
Right, like they have thatconversation.
Everyone's a suspect.
Right, like they have thatconversation, everyone's a

(36:24):
suspect.
That's the whole point.
Everyone should be suspect inthis movie, it doesn't?
Maybe not Jason, right?
Like?
Whoever one thinks is thekiller is the one person we
should be like?
No, we know he's not the killer.
So who is the killer?
Could be this person because ofthis, this person because of
this, like.
That's why Scream makes fun ofthat, because that's a trope
that you need to use to makeyour movie effective.

Speaker 1 (36:47):
You're trying to make us afraid for these people, and
not once we're off balance,then you can play with us,
exactly.
I never felt off balance.

Speaker 2 (36:59):
No, no, I felt a little bored, but never off
balance.

Speaker 1 (37:04):
Shannon and Chris are making out, and then he's like
don't tell Bobby about this.
I think he said that.
Yeah, he did.

Speaker 2 (37:14):
Or someone was like are you going to tell?
Bobby, and they're like no, Iwon't, and it's just I don't.
This triangle never really madesense to me.
I still don't really know whichdirection the arrows go in the
triangle.

Speaker 1 (37:30):
Yeah, it just seems like they're in a relationship
and it's okay and I don't thinkanybody really cares.
You don't think, bobby's?

Speaker 2 (37:37):
going to freak out about it?
I don't think so either.
He kind of knows.

Speaker 1 (37:41):
Because if he's going to freak out about it, you have
to set that up in the car thatbobby's like or let him freak
out about it chris, this is ourtime together okay, right, sure,
yeah, that's nice fuck thegirls.
this is the bros before hoes.
You know, you gotta, you gottaeverything, just like in comedy.
You have to do this, you haveto set everything up so that,

(38:02):
when it happens, we we feelsatisfied.
He's like oh yeah, oh no, oh,he's making out with Shannon.
This is going to be bad.
Oh, it's going to be bad whenBobby hears about it, but it's
not bad.
Bobby's like meh, I guess.

Speaker 2 (38:14):
Yeah, like we know it's not bad, and then it's not
bad, and so what's the point?

Speaker 1 (38:24):
What's the point?
What's the point of any of it?
Movies are heightened.
Bobby's going to jump thebonfire with his bike, he sets
it up and then.

Speaker 2 (38:32):
I also like this scene.

Speaker 1 (38:33):
Bobby, bobby, and then somebody calls him a pussy.
Yeah, who calls him a pussy?
Maybe Ari does, maybe the movieguy.

Speaker 2 (38:42):
Yeah, I'm not totally sure that sounds right yeah.

Speaker 1 (38:45):
And then he's like you know, oh, forget it.
No, I'm not doing it.

Speaker 2 (38:50):
No, you ruined it.
You can't call me a pussy.
You ruined it, I'm done.
Yeah, I really liked it.
I thought that was nice becauseyou know he never really wanted
to do it right.
It's a nice character momentwhere he finds that excuse and
he's like, oh, thank god, Idon't have to do it, I'm just
gonna pretend like this reallyupset me and walk away.

Speaker 1 (39:08):
it's nice uh, okay, so he does not make the jump
right, okay?
Uh, the vegan has gone to thekitchen because she has to have
a burger.
Almost there's a door noise.
Yeah, what.
What is the point?

Speaker 2 (39:23):
what is?

Speaker 1 (39:23):
oh, because all vegans really want to just have
a burger.

Speaker 2 (39:26):
Yeah, I don't think that that's right.
So like this joke doesn't landfor me, because that's not true,
you know.

Speaker 1 (39:36):
I didn't drink when I was, you know, high school or
even in college.

Speaker 2 (39:40):
I never really drank.
I still don't drink, yeah.

Speaker 1 (39:42):
You still don't drink .
Let's see if you've had asimilar thing People that drink.
Always wanted to make you drink.

Speaker 2 (39:51):
Oh yeah, constantly All the time.
And they're like what do youmean?
You don't want one.
It's like I don't care, ittastes like shit.
There's no reason for me to putthat in my mouth.
I don't understand.
Like I don't care, snickers.

Speaker 1 (40:02):
And then they get very upset.
They get very upset and so justhaving the vegan immediately,
you know.

Speaker 2 (40:10):
I need a burger.
It's like well she's a vegan.

Speaker 1 (40:13):
She's a vegan Like.
Let the characters be thecharacters.

Speaker 2 (40:16):
It's just a bad joke.
It's a joke from like 1995,when veganism was new and
everyone's like, oh, swinging amiss.

Speaker 1 (40:26):
Boys swing and a miss .
So here comes the.
There's a door noise, here'sthe devil mask.
And then there was there's ait's beyond meat joke.
I don't remember what that wasyeah, someone yelled it.

Speaker 2 (40:36):
I don't, I don't totally recall either.
I don't think it was funny yeah, she, she gets killed.
Yeah Now, okay Again, you don'thave to make your, so you have
to pick a lane, right?
Yeah, because in a little bitwe're going to get to the peanut
butter death.

Speaker 1 (40:56):
Oh, that was bad.

Speaker 2 (40:58):
What do you mean by bad?
You didn't like it, no, so thatmade me laugh.
Okay, because it's so stupid,and you know what I mean.
Like, oh my god, you're gonnause the peanut butter as because
he's allergic.
That's silly, but that doesn'tmake sense to me, in the same
movie as when you're making funof a vegan for wanting a burger

(41:21):
and not killing her withsomething related to that yes I
mean, if maybe grill her face,if I don't know, I don't know
what it is, but you know youhave to.
You pick a lane.
Pick a lane.
You're either gonna make sillydeaths that are like I don't
know where's the joke comingfrom right.
Sure and yes her.

Speaker 1 (41:42):
You know, the joke of this thing is that she's trying
to eat a real burger, whichdoesn't make any sense.
Don't make any sense as opposedto him punishing her for being
a vegan like we would have liked, that we would have been like
yes, you know you're a vegan.

Speaker 2 (41:57):
Okay, now you're gonna get punished for that
because the the movie clearlytakes not that, not that this is
, but like an anti-vegan stance,right.
Like in a way, the veganism isused as a negative joke, right,
like we don't like vegans,vegans are dumb.
Oh, look at this vegan whowants meat and you know whatever
.
If you're already taking thatstance, punish her for being

(42:21):
vegan.
This guy who complained abouthis nut allergy and was a little
bitch about, punish him for hisnut out, like that, that's fun.
That's a fun death to me.
Yeah, this.
And then you just kill herregular style.
Like what?
Why are you just lazy?
I don't know.
Then we have mike, he gets.

Speaker 1 (42:39):
We have Mike.
He gets grabbed by the devilmask and, I guess, killed, right
, yeah, okay, mike's dead.
So Mike's dead.
Vegan is dead, demi is dead.
At least three dead.
Okay, shannon and Chris.

(43:04):
We find out that he, chris,performed oral sex on Shannon
during the summer and that's sothey're happy.
Yeah, I thought that wasinteresting.

Speaker 2 (43:09):
No, no, it's a funny scene because they play it
between the two different.
The boys are in one cab and thegirls are in the other and
they're both talking about it,which is like an ageold joke of
men and women communicatingdifferently.
But it's done, it's done well,so I've, I'm not, I'm not mad
about it and it's uh, yeah, it'sfunny, but here's why I hate it

(43:33):
.
So I wanted to, I wanted to sayyou know, they did it fine and
so I'm not mad.
Here's why I hate it.
Finn wolfhard wrote this moviewith his buddy, and here's finn
being like yeah, I'm thegreatest cunnilingus guy in the
world, like I'm so good at goingdown on girls that I should do

(43:55):
it all that I just I hated that.
He is the guy that is like oh,yeah, I'm so good in bed I am,
I'm the best in bed.
Because it just made me gag andI don't know if that's my
anti-fin coming out, but it's alittle self-serving and I did
not enjoy it.

Speaker 1 (44:10):
I think it's a little more virtue signaling than
great in bed.
But whatever.
That's fair.
So Jason stops by Chris andBobby's and he's like what are
we going to do group activities?
They're like we don't care,okay.
And he's like what are we goingto do group activities?
They're like we don't care,okay.
Then he goes to Demi's and hegoes in and he finds Demi's body
and he screams.
He screams very funny.

(44:31):
Then he runs to the rec roomand tells everybody that Demi is
dead and they're the most likewhatever.

Speaker 2 (44:40):
This scene it's really very very funny, yeah,
like the idea of him panickingand everyone else thinking that
he's just making it up and likethat's a fun dichotomy.
It's done so jumbled that itnever like the two opposing
sides, never really solidifiedto me, so it doesn't land, but I

(45:01):
like the idea.
I think you know a couple morerewrites, finn, and this could
have been a good scene.
I do want to say this jason guy, I love the way he runs in this
scene.
When he runs from cabinet camphe's like he's going all out,
he's like tom cruise level of oftrying in this run and I I just

(45:22):
really appreciate it.
I feel like in movies a lot oftimes we just kind of run, but
he has this urgency, the panicin this run that I was like good
for you Way to commit.
That's all there it is.

Speaker 1 (45:37):
So they find out that the phones are gone, and then
they start freaking out.
They go there, they find thatthe body is gone, but there's
lots of real blood, and theneverybody really freaks out.
They go to the cars, the flattires sorry, real quick.

Speaker 2 (45:51):
There's an almost joke here as well that I almost
liked uh, which is the gothpsychic girl?
Yeah, goes to test the blood,yeah, and I don't know if she
smells it or tastes, I couldn'tquite tell and she goes oh no,
this is demi and that there's.
There's a really good jokethere that this movie didn't

(46:12):
land, but again, like it's theright idea, it's, it's so close
in some of these moments um,boom, boom, boom.

Speaker 1 (46:22):
Oh the, the batteries are dead, the tires are flat,
they can't get out, and so theirplan is to go to one cabin and
then ride it out there.

Speaker 2 (46:35):
Yeah, which is not a terrible idea.
Strength in numbers.

Speaker 1 (46:39):
But Jason wants to go out and look for Mike and Miley
, because they're not there, Iguess.

Speaker 2 (46:47):
Yeah, because we haven't seen them.
The group hasn't seen theirbodies yet, so they think that
they're still somewhere.

Speaker 1 (46:54):
And there's a payphone and there's a
coin-operated payphone, sothey're going to go to that.
So they do a whole drawing ofcards.
Whoever gets the lowest cardshas to go.
There's a little bit of a funnybit in there.
Yeah, um, and so it's jason andari and ezra.
They go for the phone.
Bobby behind, left behind, hasbear spray, so he set that up.

(47:16):
They have flashlights, linesbeen cut.
There's blood on the fridge.
They open the Inside.
The fridge is Miley's head.
They yell and run.
Ari and Ezra go, god only knowswhere.
Jason goes back to the cabinand Bobby gets one of his better
jokes.
I should have packed mynunchucks, it's a good joke.

Speaker 2 (47:42):
It's a joke.
He wrote himself some jokes.
It's a good joke.
It's a joke.
Like he wrote himself somejokes, it's good for him.
If they had also wrote otherpeople jokes, this probably
would be a pretty good movie.
He's just written everybodyelse jokes.
Right, maybe he's a veryselfish guy, I don't know, maybe
he just wrote and Finn was like, hey, write me a joke.
And he was like, nope, notgoing to do it, finn, I will not

(48:04):
.

Speaker 1 (48:04):
Just talk about sex.
You're the sex god Talk aboutsex.

Speaker 2 (48:08):
I'm a sex god.
I'm Finn Wolfhard.
All the ladies love me, gag.

Speaker 1 (48:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (48:16):
Okay, what do they do ?

Speaker 1 (48:17):
next Tony.

Speaker 2 (48:20):
I have no idea.
I should read you my notes, Danyou would laugh there are seven
of them.
They do the.

Speaker 1 (48:29):
Ouija board.
Oh, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (48:33):
Bobby's afraid of the spirits.
So here's the thing, right.
Yeah, ouija boards, ouijaboards Not that I don't believe.
Yes, let me be very clear.
Generally, how a Ouija boardworks is somebody is moving the
dial right, like that'sgenerally how they work the
planchette.
Is that what that's called?
Yes you know the name of themoving glass.

Speaker 1 (48:56):
I think that's crazy everyone knows it's called no
not don't know, not everybody.

Speaker 2 (49:01):
I've never even heard the word planchette.
I've never heard that before inmy life and I've done a lot of
Ouija boards.
Okay, dan, my family used tolove we used to do Ouija boards
all the time Super into ghosts,by the way.
I love it Anyhow.
But there's so many hands onthis planchette that it's

(49:23):
impossible for it to be movingon.
So like, is there a ghost?
Is that what we're trying tosay?
It's weird more.

Speaker 1 (49:32):
The other thing is that there's six hands on this
thing and you can't tell whatit's saying or doing yeah, we
can't.
They seem to they're like well,this means this you're like
what's happening, are you sure Ican't move your head?

Speaker 2 (49:45):
Move your head, guy.

Speaker 1 (49:46):
I can't see the board and that's my point about
direction is the way this isshot is terrible.
Sure, you, just you don't getany information.
Yeah, 100%.
So they talked to Ezra whokilled you?
I don't know they talked.

Speaker 2 (50:03):
I did like that.
It was the the act.
Is it an acronym?
Is that what you call?

Speaker 1 (50:08):
it sure, they just idk or whatever, and I was like
that's funny.
That was yeah, that's good um,although ezra is not dead, um,
uh, then they're like Demi, whokilled you.
Then there's a scream and Ezrareturns and he gets bear sprayed
by Bobby right in the eyes.

Speaker 2 (50:28):
Yeah, uh.
And then another joke that Ilike is he yells ghost while he
does it.
He goes ghost and then spraysit in the face, which is funny
on two levels, because if it's aghost it's not gonna get hurt
by bear spray.
Um, but I just you know, thereare moments with him that I
really enjoy.
I'd like him to write a moviesolo.

(50:50):
I think we drop Finn, drop thedead weight and let's try it
again.

Speaker 1 (50:55):
Let's do it, bob.
Okay, now we cut to Ari.
He's tied up, so he's not dead.
And then he says fucking bitch,because I think he knows it's a
woman, I think.

Speaker 2 (51:07):
Yeah, that sounds right.
Yeah, okay, he just didn't evenregister that, I don't think.

Speaker 1 (51:11):
And then the bad guy dips the knife in peanut butter
and then stabs him with peanutbutter.

Speaker 2 (51:17):
Yeah, you don't think it's funny.

Speaker 1 (51:20):
It just doesn't make any sense in the movie.

Speaker 2 (51:28):
No.
I agreed I'm'm telling you Iagree with that.
I wish that it did make sensein the movie because I like that
idea, especially with like anice slow, like he brings the
peanut butter over to him andnight slowly uncovers it, you
know, dips the knife in therevery slow, like I'm torturing
you with peanut butter.
I think that's a fun idea.

Speaker 1 (51:47):
So, as we're back at the cabin, I don't know.
Back at the cabin, ezra's beencrying, he's been blinded.
He talks about how he'd runaway to the theater.
They figure out that the killermust be someone they know.
For some reason, yeah, I don'tknow they basically say it's
jason, because he took thephones and he found demi and

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he's old, so they're going totie him up and then we're gonna
torture him to find out wherethe phones are.
yeah, this is where you lost me,like the idea that you're going
to torture someone based onalmost nothing and you're like

(52:33):
you're the killer, even thoughhe wasn't out there.
You know he was in the cabinwith them.
Oh no, I guess he went out withthem.

Speaker 2 (52:40):
Yeah, but he also came back.

Speaker 1 (52:42):
It's all weird, he came back almost instantly.

Speaker 2 (52:46):
My thing is like why wouldn't he just bring them to
the phones, like it really itshould?
At this point, people are dying.

Speaker 1 (52:55):
It should be one, well, because they think he's
the killer, and so they're gonnabut they're like we're gonna.

Speaker 2 (53:01):
They were saying this in front of him, though.
Yeah, like we're gonna tortureyou until he tells where the
phones are.
That's the moment where he goes.
Well, yeah, they're like we'regoing to.
They were saying this in frontof him, though.
Yeah, like we're going totorture you until he tells where
the phones are.
That's the moment where he goes.
Well, yeah, they're just rightthere, because, one, I'm not the
killer.
Two, I want to live and I wantto escape this place.
Let's find the phones.

Speaker 1 (53:16):
He doesn't know where the phones are.

Speaker 2 (53:17):
That doesn't make any sense.
He took them.

Speaker 1 (53:19):
No, he didn't.

Speaker 2 (53:21):
Yes, he did.
Jason took the phones.

Speaker 1 (53:23):
Yeah, but then, wherever he put them, the bad
guy took them.

Speaker 2 (53:26):
Sure, no, no, okay, I'm understanding that, but they
are saying that he took thephones.
Yeah, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (53:35):
I don't know If they torture him.
They're like show us where thephones are.
He's like I don't know wherethe phones are.
Well, we're going to tortureyou and then you're going to
tell us.
Well, then they're torturinghim to get information he
doesn't even have.

Speaker 2 (53:44):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's stupid, it's stupid.
Yes, we're in agreement thatit's stupid, dan.

Speaker 1 (53:49):
Well, just like the idea that the first thing they
do in the cabin is go to theOuija board and then the second
thing they're doing is figuringout random person is the bad
person, as opposed to someoneout there killing people.

(54:10):
And then we're going to tortureyou, but to torture you,
they're gonna, they're gonnaleave.

Speaker 2 (54:14):
They tie him up and then they all leave except bobby
.

Speaker 1 (54:15):
Yeah, which is weird.
Yeah, it's just weird.
So claire goes against a fireextinguisher, comes back, knocks
out Bobby and save Jason andthen, as they're coming back to
torture, claire and Jason arerunning off.
Actually, this is a.
This is, this is FinnWolfhard's best, best bit.

(54:36):
They're coming at.
Finn Wolfhard has a whole trayof water of water and he's
brought waters for everyone, andthen he falls down and all the
waters break and he's uh, he'svery distraught that he didn't
get to serve and then they givehim the button as well.

Speaker 2 (54:52):
At the end of the scene he's like I'll go get more
.
That's the end of it, which isjust.
It's funny, but it's also weirddon't?

Speaker 1 (55:00):
he had to admit it was funny.
He's not funny.

Speaker 2 (55:03):
You know what I guarantee you.
Billy wrote that bit okay, sothe five.

Speaker 1 (55:07):
Now we got five people in the cabin two people
jason and claire that areleaving and they get to just
have, like you know, nice calmtime as they walk away.
You know, debating whether ornot they should go back and you
know like what are we supposedto do and you're kind of like,
who do they?
I mean, I understand Jasonknows an allegiance, but it is a
little murky yeah.

Speaker 2 (55:31):
I mean they had to have hit If we had hit him
wanting to run the camp andeveryone kind of hating him,
Like if we had hit thatcharacter stuff a little bit
harder, the turn makes moresense when he's like I have to
go back, this is my camp.
Yeah, this is my camp.
I need to save my people, evenif they hate me.

Speaker 1 (55:52):
You know, yeah, they need to hate him a little more
so that it's more of a sacrificehim going back.
So they're, they're justhanging out in the cabin.
They're just hanging out in thecabin talking about waiting.
They're playing Jenga and thenthey just arbitrarily decide to
go look for the phones.
Oh no, he hasn't decided to go.

(56:13):
They're just talking aboutpossibility of going back
because they reach make-outpoint, which Claire recognizes,
jason does not.
And then we do a whole thingwhere he's like, oh, you've been
here a lot, and then she's alllike no.
And where he's like, oh, you'vebeen here a lot, and then she's
all like no, and then he's like, oh, and he's sort of freaking
out that you know she actuallyhas an active relationship life
and he does not.

Speaker 2 (56:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (56:37):
And then the goth girl is in the craft room, she
gets stabbed and then she says,finally, so you're like, oh,
like, oh, okay, she wants to die.
Yeah, what, she's a goth person, so she's okay with just dying
right, but again not really howthat works.

Speaker 2 (56:53):
You know what I mean, and that's not something that
has happened at all in the movieprior to this.
Yeah, that line can be funny ifshe's obsessed with death you
have to go much.

Speaker 1 (57:06):
Your movie has to be much broader.
That a character is fine withthemselves being murdered she
likes Ouija boards, she wants todie.

Speaker 2 (57:14):
Everyone who uses a Ouija board wants to die.
That doesn't make sense, guys.
It doesn't make sense.
A lot of distance to climb.

Speaker 1 (57:23):
And then we have this weird scene where we're like it
doesn't make sense A lot ofdistance to climb.
And then we have this weirdscene where we're like is the
devil mask looking at itself ina mirror, or are there two devil
masks?
And it is shot.
So weird, so weird that youcannot tell.
But then you're like, oh,there's two of them.
Yeah, oh, it's two, I see.

(57:43):
And then you're like it didn'tneed to be two at any point in
the movie.
Nope.

Speaker 2 (57:49):
I mean, usually it is two, though you know, in these
types of movies there's alwayslike the leader.
Yeah, I mean, that's the screamformula right, there's always
two killers, but that's justscreaming, right.
Well, but you know, great movieto steal from.

Speaker 1 (58:04):
I just had a problem with that.
That is, two killers.

Speaker 2 (58:07):
Also Scream Queens two devils.
So maybe they just watchedScream Queens and were like
let's just make a movie that'skind of like this, but way worse
.

Speaker 1 (58:15):
So Chris is walking I guess they're looking for the
phones and then he surprisesMike and Demi who are making out
, and they're all like, oh, oh,we're found out.
So now we know I like thismoment, yeah, and talk about it
then?

Speaker 2 (58:31):
well, so Jason walks in on them and they're like, oh
shit, now they know.
And someone grabs a knife.
And then Jason, to all of oursurprise, is just thrilled that
they're alive.

Speaker 1 (58:44):
No, no, no, it's not Jason, it's Chris.

Speaker 2 (58:46):
Wait, who is it?

Speaker 1 (58:47):
It's Chris, is it Chris?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, are you sure,absa hundred percent.

Speaker 2 (58:53):
Alright, well then, chris is excited.

Speaker 1 (58:55):
That they're alive.
I guess that doesn't make sense, because he is dumber.

Speaker 2 (58:58):
He is the dumb one of the group.

Speaker 1 (59:00):
What I left off is that Jason, right before this,
made the decision to go back tocamp.

Speaker 2 (59:04):
Okay, yeah, you're right, you're right Anyhow.
So then, instead of being like,oh, you must be the killers,
he's just excited that they'realive and they're confused and
it's a fun moment.
Yeah, it's a fun moment, yeah.

Speaker 1 (59:17):
With Finn Wolfhard actor.

Speaker 2 (59:19):
Yeah, I mean, it's better if it's a jason, which is
how it goes in my head.

Speaker 1 (59:22):
so you know, there's that um, and then they have a
little discussion that the planis going to shit because they're
the two killers.

Speaker 2 (59:33):
We're gonna have to blame it on jason well, because
jason's already getting thecredit and demi's mad because
her whole point is she wanted toget the credit for it, she
wanted to get famous, right.
So I'm confused Is she tryingto live through it and then go
to prison, or is she trying todie here and live in infamy?

Speaker 1 (59:56):
She wants to be the sole survivor.

Speaker 2 (01:00:02):
But it sounds like she wants credit for murdering
people, right.
I don't know Cause she's madthat Jason's getting the credit
for murdering people.

Speaker 1 (01:00:16):
Well, if she was the see, okay, this is here's.
This is what.
This is what I thought.
She's going to pin it on Jason,right, but she's going to make
sure everybody else gets killed,except Jason, I think, and then
she'll be the sole survivor,but he'll, and then she'll be

(01:00:36):
the sole survivor, but myfeeling was that she wanted to
be the final girl, right, right,which is the plot to.

Speaker 2 (01:00:43):
Scream 4, by the way, spoiler alerts for Scream 4.
That's literally the plot toScream 4, is that Sidney's niece
, or something play is themurderer and does it, so she can
be the next sydney prescott,the next sole, final girl that's
, that's what I, that's what Itook from it I under.
That's what they pivot to, oncebecause she's mad that jason is

(01:01:08):
getting the credit for being themurderer.
She's like why?
Why do they think it's Jason?
Why would they?
He's ruining everything.
And then Mike is like hey, hey,hey, but we'll be the survivors
, we'll be even more famous.
So then they pivot to that.
But originally it seems likeher plan was for everyone to
know that she did it, which isvery confusing to me.

Speaker 1 (01:01:36):
I don't know, I don't know, dan it's not a good plan,
that's all I'll say.
I don't know.
It's not a good plan and it'snot a good premise.

Speaker 2 (01:01:40):
We shouldn't be this confused about the scene of the
movie.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (01:01:45):
no, it should make make a lot of sense.
Oh yeah, um.
So then they go back, oh, andthen the plan is going to shit.
We wanted to get famous younghot couple survives yeah, yeah,
that's, that's the plan uh, okay, so they go back now.
They're with everybody andthey're like let's make videos,

(01:02:11):
right?
I don't know Right, yeah, jasonclimbs through the window and
gets captured by Mike Ezra's onthe stage.

Speaker 2 (01:02:21):
This is my favorite.
This is my favorite moment ofthe movie.

Speaker 1 (01:02:25):
What happens in that Ezra's?

Speaker 2 (01:02:27):
on the stage Ezra's death.

Speaker 1 (01:02:28):
Yeah, he breaks his leg.
Oh, the bad guy comes overthere, kicks him and breaks his
leg and then axes him to thehead.

Speaker 2 (01:02:35):
Now, I think this is Ezra.
I think it could also be FinnChris.
I honestly don't remember.

Speaker 1 (01:02:44):
Maybe you'll remember this.

Speaker 2 (01:02:46):
But Someone sees the killer.

Speaker 1 (01:02:50):
It has to be.

Speaker 2 (01:02:50):
Ezra Shannon sees the killer behind ezra, right, yeah
, and she yells.
She's like look out thekiller's on your left.
And ezra shouts back, stageleft.
And I fucking lost my mind thatif you're not in the theater,
okay, the directions aredifferent.
We have stage left, stage right, which is different depending

(01:03:13):
on which.
It's like if I'm watching theplay it's different than if I'm
in the play.
So we use stage left, stageright, so the actors know which
way we're talking about.
It doesn't really matter, butthe fact.
No, dan, see the joke's funnythough.
Did you laugh at the joke?
Don't pretend to sleep.
It was a good joke.
Okay, I didn't laugh, but it'sa good joke.

Speaker 1 (01:03:30):
Okay, it's a good joke.

Speaker 2 (01:03:31):
I didn't laugh, but it's a good joke.
All right, I laughed my ass offbecause you don't really hear a
stage left joke all that oftenand I was pretty excited about
it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:40):
So that was good.
Shannon's in there.
Chris and the devil.
So the devil continues in thetheater.
Chris is hiding, shannon goesand finds Bobby.
Demi wakes up, jason and wantsto know where Claire is.
Then he starts yelling.
Help, help, help.
The devil is searching the proparea for Chris.

Speaker 2 (01:04:05):
Bobby lures the devil off, and that's the moment when
he goes in right to save Chriswho, bobby, bobby, yeah, bobby
goes in to save Chris.
Yeah, so right before he goesin is a really great scene
between him and Shannon, yes,which is when he says something

(01:04:27):
on the lines of you don'tdeserve him, but I also don't
deserve him.

Speaker 1 (01:04:30):
Something like that.
He says exactly that.
Yeah, the lines are confusing.

Speaker 2 (01:04:33):
I don't deserve him, but I also don't deserve
something like that, exactlythat.
Yeah, the lines are confusing,I don't quite understand them,
but my favorite part is he thenis like doing his brave thing,
which he did with jumping overthe fire, yeah, and as he was
about to enter the door, she waslike it's a suicide mission and
he stopped.
He's like why would?
you say that I was trying topump myself up for my big hero
moment.
Why would you say that?
I was trying to pump myself upfor my big hero moment?
Why would you say that?
And it was wonderful, it wasreally funny, it was really nice

(01:04:57):
, I loved it.

Speaker 1 (01:04:59):
It was a great scene.
He's in a different movie thanthe rest of them.

Speaker 2 (01:05:01):
He is in a different movie.
But it's weird because he wrotethe movie so like everyone
should be in that movie.
It's so weird.
He co-wrote the movie.
You're right, he co-wrote themovie and I'm I'm starting to
believe that finn wrote 90 inthe movie and he just wrote his
own 10 and he's like well, Iwould like to do this movie
differently, because he is, hischaracter, is in a different

(01:05:22):
movie and that movie is great.
I want that movie.

Speaker 1 (01:05:26):
So bobby goes in there and lures the devil off,
shannon goes in and he's alllike you came back for me, I
love you.
I wrote Claire, which is weird.
Well, they're trying to do thiswhole bit where they're falling
in love, but they're not reallyfalling in love.
It's just speed where you can'treally fall in love.

(01:05:47):
But yeah, it doesn't work.

Speaker 2 (01:05:51):
Yeah, it doesn't work .
It's all weird.
I wrote Claire hits Mike.

Speaker 1 (01:05:55):
When did she hit Mike ?
Why did she hit Mike?
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:05:58):
I don't know, I didn't write that note down.

Speaker 1 (01:06:02):
Then somebody says to Demi, demi, this isn't you,
it's Mike, mike, oh, and thenshe goes crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:06:08):
Yeah, jason says that , as he's tied up.
Yeah, jason says that, as he'stied up.

Speaker 1 (01:06:11):
Yeah, he's like, Demi , this isn't you.
And she's all like, yeah, Mikemade me do this.
Mike, Mike, Mike, it's allabout Mike.

Speaker 2 (01:06:18):
She plays this scene really well, like the I'm crazy
scene.
It's nice.
She did a good job.

Speaker 1 (01:06:24):
She did a good job.
Then we have the big.
Is this the whole?
Oh, then Mike and Bobby arestarting to fight in the cabin,
yeah, and then Demi gives alittle exposition to Jason.
Tied up, I wanted to kill youlosers for four years and now
she's jealous that you'll bemore famous than me.

(01:06:45):
Claire comes back with the bow.
Claire has the bow and Demi hasthe knife to Jason's throat.
Bobby and Mike are fighting inthe one cabin.
Yeah, different cabin, yep, twodifferent areas Then he sort of
flashes back to the jump in thefire and he looks at the fire.

(01:07:06):
There's a fire raging with woodand he's like he reaches into
the wood stove because he'sgonna pick up the flaming wood
and use it as a weapon.
And what happens?

Speaker 2 (01:07:17):
what happens when it burns his hand and he drops it
and screams, yeah, like it'sgreat that was.

Speaker 1 (01:07:22):
That was probably my favorite.
It's a one it's.
He's great because it was greatin this it was a call back to
the weird jumping the fire.

Speaker 2 (01:07:30):
and then you know, reality instantly affects him
Because he does the chant, he'slike Bobby, bobby Does it
himself, which is funny Grabs itand he's like, oh, that's too
hot, nope, got to drop it,screams it.
It's great, it's a really nicemoment.

Speaker 1 (01:07:43):
Mike's beating him up .

Speaker 2 (01:07:53):
And then I guess you know Bobby's on the floor and I
guess mike has a giganticerection.

Speaker 1 (01:07:55):
Yeah, I again.
They can't make me laugh sohard, you can't show us, but
they know and they can't overreference it.

Speaker 2 (01:07:58):
But you're like, but they have a nice little
conversation about it and myfate he's mike apparently gets
aroused by killing and thenhaving sex afterwards.
So it's not that he's enjoyingkilling him.
So he's yelling at bobby andhe's like this isn't for you.
Man, look away.
And I was fucking rolling, I'mtelling.
This scene, this entire lastact with bobby, is so, so good

(01:08:25):
and the rest of the movie isterrible.
Right, like if the, if themovie was as good as this these
last three scenes with Bobbythis would be one of my favorite
movies.
I swear to God, it's reallynice.
And then he's like yeah, thisisn't for you.
Have you ever had sex afterkilling someone?
It's amazing.

Speaker 1 (01:08:41):
No, so that's not what he says.
What he says exactly is do youknow how much better pussy is
after killing someone?
You're just like oh man.

Speaker 2 (01:08:52):
Do you know what Bobby says?

Speaker 1 (01:08:53):
What does he say?

Speaker 2 (01:08:54):
He asks, he goes no, no, is it better?

Speaker 1 (01:08:58):
And that moment to me he does, and that moment is
what drives that home to me.

Speaker 2 (01:09:04):
Like he breaks the, I'm scared of dying.
To be like no, is it better?
And then goes back to beingscared and it's so good, it's
lovely.
It's lovely, it's wonderful.
This scene's great.

Speaker 1 (01:09:15):
And so I guess there's this pocket knife in a
frame on the wall.
That's given as a prize and itbusts, and now it's on the thing
.
And also, I think Jason wasalways second place to getting
the pocket knife.
I think, yeah, but I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:09:32):
yeah, he's always second place in the archery
thing, but that doesn't makesense to me.
As a gift for winning archery,a pocket knife.
I don't understand.
If I'm being honest, basicallyyou are right.

Speaker 1 (01:09:43):
There's a pocket knife, Mike is able to finally
reach it based on some maneuverand just sticks Mike right.
I mean Bobby sticks Mike rightin the neck and kills him After
saying his line I'm a liar.

Speaker 2 (01:09:54):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:10:00):
And then Jason starts doing the lines that he used to
teach Claire to use the bow, sothat she uses the bow properly.

Speaker 2 (01:10:10):
He acts the shit out of this.

Speaker 1 (01:10:12):
He does a real good job.

Speaker 2 (01:10:13):
Yeah, he's too good for this movie.
But also this scene's almosttoo real for this movie in my
mind.
In juxtaposition of the lastscene where we're talking about
boners, it's a weird cut backand forth to a very serious
death scene where he's literallycrying.
He's got tears rolling down.
This guy acts the shit out ofit, but it's just those two

(01:10:37):
things in the same movie isweird.
I don't pick one.

Speaker 1 (01:10:39):
You got to pick one of those two movies.
Yeah, so it gets her right inthe eye and then she ends up
making one last move and thenClaire, just like, stomps her to
death.

Speaker 2 (01:10:50):
Like curb stomps her, which was pretty intense yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:10:53):
They go and they save Bobby.
Actually, this is Jason pullsBobby out and then he's got a
knife stuck in him and Bobby,like, pulls out the knife, pulls
the knife out.
Yep, actually, I really likethis one.
Jason's like you're notsupposed to do that, it's very
dangerous.
Yeah, and he's like tell them Idied a hero's death.

(01:11:14):
And then jace is like I meanit's really just a two-inch
wound you're gonna be, you'regonna be fine the two-inch wound
was like that's a really goodline yeah, it's funny and then
chris and shannon do I don'tlove you, but let's make out
anyways.

Speaker 2 (01:11:30):
And then doesn't unneeded and doesn't really make
a lot of sense.

Speaker 1 (01:11:33):
And as the sun rises, uh, Jason and Claire are there
and they someone thanks someonefor coming back, and then next
year more responsibilities.
And then he's like I'm kiddingand they kiss, but he's not
kidding, he's coming back.
Oh, he, he does a whole setupof how the camp could work, even
with all the murders.

Speaker 2 (01:11:53):
And here's my problem is that they do write that off
as a joke.
Yeah, I don't like that.
I think he needs to be seriousin that moment, like, instead of
them hooking up, this characteris like we can make this work,
we'll do this, this and this,and she's like what the hell
that's the right ending for thismovie.

(01:12:14):
In my opinion.

Speaker 1 (01:12:14):
Well, you see, that's what you're writing him as a
real character, and where?

Speaker 2 (01:12:20):
it's like it's a movie.
Dan, he should have a real care, but I mean that's.

Speaker 1 (01:12:24):
It would be really interesting if that is, if you
did end it like that where he'sall like, and she's just like,
just shut up and kisses you know, you know what are you talking
about because it is really whohe is, this camp is who he is
and he's 100.

Speaker 2 (01:12:39):
Yeah, I don't know weird movie, but again I didn't.
I thought I was gonna hate thismovie I didn't hate this movie.

Speaker 1 (01:12:49):
I didn't hate this movie.
How many squirts does it getdone?

Speaker 2 (01:12:55):
You can't do that.

Speaker 1 (01:12:55):
I can do whatever I want.

Speaker 2 (01:12:57):
Can't steal other people's things.
Again, you finish.

Speaker 1 (01:13:04):
This movie puts us back in that classification.
That's happened to us five orsix times on this show, starting
with what was the Wachowski'sbrother?
What was that movie?

Speaker 2 (01:13:17):
Cloud Atlas.

Speaker 1 (01:13:18):
Yeah, you know where you watch a movie and it has a
bunch of flaws.
But you're like there's someinteresting things explored and
some decent comedy that occursand you're like, and I thought
the character work was reallygood top to bottom.
Whether or not they were all inthe same movie, you can
complain about Finn, buteverybody else, I think, did

(01:13:39):
good work.

Speaker 2 (01:13:41):
Yeah, no, no.
And again it's 90 minutes.
We're not here for two hours.
I'm not feeling like I'm justdrowning in this movie.
It's quick, it's fun.
Good for them.

Speaker 1 (01:13:54):
Yeah, good for them.

Speaker 2 (01:13:55):
Good for them.

Speaker 1 (01:13:55):
Smells like my wife is burning down the house.

Speaker 2 (01:13:59):
Should you check?
Just touch the floor, see ifit's hot.
I think that's how you do it.

Speaker 1 (01:14:03):
It's the floor, because the heat radiates right
through the floor.

Speaker 2 (01:14:07):
Right, that's how it works.

Speaker 1 (01:14:09):
That's why they tell you to get down on the floor
Because it's hotter there.
Keep you warm and you won'tfreeze up.

Speaker 2 (01:14:18):
Fire safety.

Speaker 1 (01:14:20):
I'm there for Finn's next writing and directing.

Speaker 2 (01:14:23):
I'm there for Billy Brick's next writing directing
Is it B-R-I-C-K-S?
Nope, not at all.
It's B-R-Y-K.
I'm adding an S.
I don't even know what I'mdoing.
It could be Billy Brake.
It could be a lot of things, Idon't know.
Billy, if you're out there, letme know Brake Brake.

Speaker 1 (01:14:46):
Okay, now we talk about something we liked.
I've been watching some of thequintessential TV shows.
The prisoner Patrick McGowan'squintessential TV show.
He did like a.
He did this show called dangerman where he played like a James
Bond, he kind of spy, okay, fora couple of years and then

(01:15:08):
after he was done with that theywere like you want to make
another show?
And he's like, yes, I'm goingto play a thing where the powers
that be kidnapped me and wantto get information out of me by
putting me in this weird villageand every episode is this

(01:15:30):
nightmare, paranoiac thing wherethey're trying to break his
will.
What are we talking?
What year is this?
1966 and 1967.
Wow, it's a.
It's an insane show.
We used to when we were kids.
We we watched it on pbs and youknow we're just like what is
happening?

Speaker 2 (01:15:42):
what is this called?

Speaker 1 (01:15:43):
the prisoner the prisoner and all the episodes
are on amazon with commercialsand it's uh pretty fun I might
have to check it out at somepoint.

Speaker 2 (01:15:53):
That sounds interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:15:54):
And it takes place in this weird little village
called Point Marion.
Ah, point Marion, do you knowwhat that is?
Oh, okay, it's this weirdlittle village that looks like
you can't even talk about it.
You have to look it up.
You'll just be like what is?

Speaker 2 (01:16:10):
this place.

Speaker 1 (01:16:12):
There are all these little shaped buildings and
things.

Speaker 2 (01:16:17):
What are you talking about?

Speaker 1 (01:16:18):
There's a giant chess set in the garden.

Speaker 2 (01:16:21):
What is?

Speaker 1 (01:16:22):
this place.

Speaker 2 (01:16:23):
I love it.

Speaker 1 (01:16:24):
I love it, tony, tell us about what you've been
digging out there.
Well, that's not what we'redoing, tan, we're taking a
moment.

Speaker 2 (01:16:31):
We're going to take a moment of silence for the
fallen that is.
Suits LA has officially beencanceled by NBC.
Huge mistake, you know.
I think we can all agree that'sa huge, huge mistake.
Let me tell you why, dan.
Is the show good?
Not really.
Is it getting ratings?
Probably not at all.
I love Stephenven amell andthis guy can't catch a break.

(01:16:56):
Heels hold on though.
Hold on though.
He did heels for two seasonsand that show is great.
That show is genuinely a goodshow.
It was well reviewed.
People liked it.
It didn't get a lot ofviewership because it's on stars
.
Nobody has stars, nobody givesa shit about stars, so that gets
canceled and they give themthis job.

(01:17:16):
That's supposed to be like a, ahome run, like it's supposed.
You know, because it's comingoff of suits is giant boom in
the pandemic.
You're like, yeah, suits lawill make a sequel that's going
to make a billion dollars.
It's going to run for fiveseasons.
They cancel it after one.
Now the show's bad.
I just want to reiterate thatit's not a good show, um but.

(01:17:38):
But it's not his fault and Ithink that the the last few
episodes.
We have one more episode leftbefore it's then forever, and I
think the last two have been alittle bit better there.
It's finally leaning into whatit should have been the whole
time, which is like a dramedy asopposed to just pretty much
straight drama.
Oh, my goodness, look how cuteshe is.

(01:17:59):
Oh, hi, baby, I just you know.
I just think one more seasonwould have been nice, just one
more, just to see if it couldfind its footing.

Speaker 1 (01:18:08):
I watched this channel on YouTube called Legal.
Eagle it's a guy that does agreat name, he's like a lawyer
and then he just talks about youknow lawyer stuff.
Sure, he went through andtalked about the first episode
of Suits LA.

Speaker 2 (01:18:23):
Oh God, I actually I need to find this.
So I'm going to find keep going, but I need to watch this.

Speaker 1 (01:18:29):
And I watched that and it was just like it.
Just the whole show doesn'tmake any sense it just doesn't
make any sense I agree again nota good show.

Speaker 2 (01:18:41):
It's poorly written, doesn't make a lot of sense, but
if you get past the first eight, episodes like the last two
have been pretty fun.
Um, I just think he started ina really weird convoluted place
for no reason.

Speaker 1 (01:18:56):
You can see they're like oh, we're at this firm, but
everybody gets fired.
And this other guy wants toleave, but we only have this one
lady who's the pro bono ladyand she's like go fuck
yourselves.
I'm the pro bono lady.
I don't got to do what you tellme to do you're saying I don't
know anything.
I don't care, just justintroduce us to a stable thing
that does a stable thing rightthen then mess with it.

Speaker 2 (01:19:18):
That's the end of season one, right, the end of
season one is this merger wherethey cut him out and you're like
, oh shit, his best friend cuthim out.
If you do that in the firstepisode, we've never even met
these people.
I don't.
I don't know that they're bestfriends.
It doesn't make any.
It's so bad.
The right now you get me on theother side of this thing.
I think we should have renewedit for season two.

(01:19:39):
All right, nope, it's a poorlywritten show.
It's bad.
He really messed it up.
That's all sad day.
That's all I want to say.
I'm sorry, steven, I hope youfind something better.

Speaker 1 (01:19:50):
Tony, who are the two brothers that are possibly the
greatest who Hold on?

Speaker 2 (01:19:59):
What's happening?

Speaker 1 (01:20:02):
Who is the greatest brother team writer?
Directors that have made hitafter hit, critical darlings,
but occasionally successful atthe box office too, using some
of the greatest actors andactresses of all time the.

Speaker 2 (01:20:19):
Fairley brothers.

Speaker 1 (01:20:20):
Creating a spinoff, headed by some other guy, of a
series of shows called Fargothat are all very interesting,
except the one that was kind ofweird.
Maybe I'll go back and watchthat one, but it's too weird.
Who are those two brothers?

Speaker 2 (01:20:38):
I don't like them.

Speaker 1 (01:20:41):
But you know who they are.

Speaker 2 (01:20:43):
Never been a fan, never will be a fan.
I mean, I liked Fargo, I guess,I guess, but I feel like that's
kind of it.
What was the one RaisingArizona?
I mean, I liked Fargo, I guess,I guess, but I feel like that's
kind of it.
They did what was the oneRaising.
Arizona.
All right.
No, we talk about RaisingArizona every time we talk about
that.
But yes, I liked RaisingArizona.
It doesn't count.
It was so long ago, it doesn'tcount.

(01:21:03):
The Inside, llewyn Davis.

Speaker 1 (01:21:07):
You like the Inside Llewyn Davis Really.

Speaker 2 (01:21:10):
I liked it because it made me very sad about my life.
It spoke to me on a very deeplevel where he's like an
aspiring artist that can't makeshit.

Speaker 1 (01:21:19):
Oh he sucked like you .

Speaker 2 (01:21:21):
Yeah, but he was talented.
The difference is he wasactually really talented.
He was it just couldn't make itwork and I just suck.
But there were parallels.
What movie are we doing?
You know what I mean?
So like, but they wereparallels.
What?

Speaker 1 (01:21:32):
movie are we doing?
Well, what happened is I don'tknow if they got sick of each
other or whatever, but the onebrother, he went out on his own.
He went out on his own and heput out a new movie called.
Or.
There's a new movie coming outcalled Candy Don't Starring
Candy.

Speaker 2 (01:21:50):
Don't.

Speaker 1 (01:21:51):
C-A-N-D-Y comma D-O-N .
Apostrophe T.
Candy Don't, I believe, is whatit's called, which he co-wrote
with somebody and I believedirected but was starring
Margaret Qualley.
It's got some Aubrey Plaza inthere and some man who has a big
name which I can't rememberright now.
I can't find this.

(01:22:14):
It's called Candy C-A-N-D-Ycomma don't.
D-o-n.
Apostrophe T, I believe.

Speaker 2 (01:22:21):
I can't find it anywhere.
I can't find it.
How?

Speaker 1 (01:22:23):
can you not find that ?
It should just be there.
I wrote.

Speaker 2 (01:22:26):
Candy, don't Hold on.
Which Coen brother is it?
Is it Ethan?
Ethan Coen brother is it?
Is it Ethan Ethan Coen?

Speaker 1 (01:22:36):
I believe it is All right, let me just look it up on
him.
It'd be pretty funny if.

Speaker 2 (01:22:41):
I got the name completely wrong on that movie.
I don't see anything, dan, areyou sure?
Maybe it's Joel, I think it'sEthan.

Speaker 1 (01:22:48):
Coen.
Maybe it is Joel Coen, I thinkit's Ethan Coen though.

Speaker 2 (01:22:51):
Hold on, I'm going to look them both up.
Joel looks weirder.
There's no way, it's.

Speaker 1 (01:22:57):
Joel.
Well, we're not doing thatmovie anyways.
It's not out yet Okay, allright, move on.
Before that movie he did onecalled Drive Away Dolls, also
starring Margaret Qualley.
It's called Honey Don't.
Oh, I thought it was CandyDon't.

Speaker 2 (01:23:13):
Sorry, and I just wasn't even smart enough to read
Honey Don't and realize thatyou were talking about that and
not Candy Don't.
But it is in fact Ethan Coen.
Honey Don't is the movieContinue what were?

Speaker 1 (01:23:24):
you saying Before that he did a movie called Drive
Away Dolls.
That's the movie we're doing.
Okay, we're doing drive-awaydolls, all right, oh but the
point is, I watched the trailerfor Honey Don't.

Speaker 2 (01:23:35):
Honey Don't.

Speaker 1 (01:23:36):
And I was just like this looks so terrible.
And I'd heard that drive-awaydolls did not do well and was
not that well regarded.
So I was like why don't we giveTony a chance to look at a Coen
brother's?

Speaker 2 (01:23:51):
movie.

Speaker 1 (01:23:54):
And we'll see if we can figure out what went wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:23:59):
Well, first of all, the Coens were involved In any
way, that's usually a bad sign.

Speaker 1 (01:24:05):
Except the ones that you like.

Speaker 2 (01:24:07):
Eh, I mean, I don't love them.
You know I'm not like, oh,these are great movies, but
they're palatable, they're fine.

Speaker 1 (01:24:12):
Didn't you ever watch the bowling?
One about the bowling.
You know John Goodman and thedude.

Speaker 2 (01:24:19):
The Big Lebowski I hate.
I mean we'll get a lot of.
I do not like the Big Lebowskiat all.
I think he's great.
Jeff Bridges is great in thatmovie.
That movie sucks.
I hate that movie.
I think it's so dumb.
Oh, let's have a heaven.
It's the dream.
It's all dumb.
I hate everything about it.
But I was going to say I thinkTodd made me watch a different

(01:24:42):
movie.
They did Right, I think Todd.

Speaker 1 (01:24:45):
Todd made you, tied you down.
Yeah, tim Robbins was in it.
Oh, the Hudsucker Proxy.

Speaker 2 (01:24:52):
The Hudsucker Proxy and I did like that movie.
I did enjoy that.
He made me watch it and Ienjoyed it.

Speaker 1 (01:24:57):
Jennifer Jason Leigh.
Well, boys, I don't know whatto say.

Speaker 2 (01:25:01):
It was a very long time ago so I don't think those
count.
It's like a statue oflimitations, right?
If it's longer than 20 yearsago, it doesn't count on your
resume anymore.
Did you ever see the roostercogburn movie with uh, jeff
bridges and the wild west?
One true grit, or whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:25:20):
I hate that movie, that movie sucks you hate that
movie.

Speaker 2 (01:25:22):
Man, the kid's great.
She's amazing in that movie ohmy god she's amazing doesn't
mean I enjoy the movie but see,the thing about that movie is
it's.

Speaker 1 (01:25:32):
It's a incredibly faithful adaptation, so it's not
it's sure, sure, sure, sureyeah I don't know if you hate it
.
You hate it.

Speaker 2 (01:25:39):
You hate the westernness as opposed to the
coen brothersness, because Idon't know if I like westerns in
like, in like their own, youknow, because you know wild guns
is that what it's called emilioand his group.
That's great movie, um, butother than that can't think of a
western that I like, genuinelyenjoy.
Man 310 to Yuma was pretty good, yeah that's a remake also.

(01:26:02):
Oh sure, yeah haven't seen theoriginal yeah, I've seen both of
course you have because I'm anAmerican.

Speaker 1 (01:26:11):
Um, so there it is, and I'm proud to'm an American.

Speaker 2 (01:26:13):
So there it is, and I'm proud to be an American.

Speaker 1 (01:26:16):
We're going to do driveway dolls and we're going
to try to understand me A fan ofthe Coen brothers, you not a
fan of the Coen brothers, andwhat happens?

Speaker 2 (01:26:23):
Hail Caesar.
What a garbage movie.

Speaker 1 (01:26:26):
I didn't care for that one, so we're going to Try
to figure out what's going onWith these new Coen-ish Coen
Half a Coen Coen-ish I likeCoen-ish Half the Coen brothers.

Speaker 2 (01:26:42):
Semi-Coin, oh come on Semi-Coin.
Semi-coin, that's pretty good.

Speaker 1 (01:26:45):
That's actually a joke.
Tony wrote a joke.
Took him an hour and a half.
But he wrote one.
It took him an hour and a half,but he wrote one.

Speaker 2 (01:26:50):
Well, I just got this information eight minutes ago.
It only took me eight minutesto write it.

Speaker 1 (01:26:54):
All right If you like the show, give us a thumbs up,
leave a comment or evensubscribe, and we'll come back
next week talking about DriveAway Dolls.

Speaker 2 (01:27:04):
Goodbye everybody.
Thanks.
Hey watch it with Dan and Tony.
Hey watch it with Dan and Tony.
Hey watching with Dan and Tony,it's like watching yeah.

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