SIPPY - How Hiring A Coach Changed The Game

Sippy is a powerhouse in the dubstep and bass music scene, known for her high-energy performances and fearless authenticity. From playing the main stage at Lost Lands to headlining her own tour, she’s built a career that’s both inspiring and impactful. But her journey hasn’t been without challenges. As one of my coaching clients, Sippy has worked to overcome anxiety, embrace balance, and transform her mindset into one that fuels creativity and growth.

In this episode, we reflect on how far she’s come since our very first podcast together. Sippy shares her experience of coaching with me, the daily practices that keep her grounded, and how she shifted from a fear-driven mentality to a love-fueled approach to her career and life. This episode is a must-listen for anyone looking to create lasting change and thrive under pressure.

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Episode Transcript

SIPPY (00:00):
like a lot of people around me, a lot of my artist

(00:02):
friends, a lot of my closefriends, like music or not
music, whatever.
I started telling them that Iwas, starting to work with you
and I was like, Oh yeah.
Like.
You know, I have this coach,Nick, and I'm really excited to
work with him and blah, blah,blah.
And anytime they asked how it'sgoing or how it went, like, I
almost couldn't articulate howmuch it changed everything for
me,

Nik (00:33):
What's up, everybody?
Welcome to the Headliner MindsetPodcast.
This is actually a very specialepisode because today's guest is
the very first guest I ever hadon the podcast.
She might be tiny, but she is anabsolute monster in the dubstep
and bass music scene.
She's currently on her ownheadlining tour, coming off
playing mainstage at Lost Landsand selling out venues all over

(00:55):
the country.
She also just did one on onecoaching with me and completely
leveled up in so many ways.
This is zippy.

SIPPY (01:04):
Yay,

Nik (01:06):
You know,

SIPPY (01:07):
We are so back.

Nik (01:09):
we are so back.
Let's go.
Episode number one.
if you haven't listened to it,if you haven't started from the
beginning,

SIPPY (01:16):
Yeah.
go right back let's go fullcircle.

Nik (01:20):
Yeah, it started with you, baby.
I am pumped to have you back.
And it's funny because I wasjust remembering doing my very
first episode ever.
And stumbling over the intro.
I remember doing the intro andbeing like, Oh, I

SIPPY (01:34):
did it like five times.
I was like take your time.
It's all good.
No rush Now you're just likeYeah.
whatever.
I'm like, all right

Nik (01:43):
but you know, this is, this is not only so cool to have you
back to have like my very firstguest back.
but also we just got to getreally deep together over the
last, few months we just didcoaching together and that

SIPPY (01:58):
big time

Nik (02:00):
That was so fun.
I truly feel honored to, havebeen, welcomed into your world
and have been able to, supportyou on your journey, as an
artist.
And I'm really excited to sharea bit about what that experience
was like.

SIPPY (02:13):
as am I, I'm I'm honestly I'm excited to Open up and talk
about it a bit more, you know,like I've had one off
conversations with people, but Idon't think I've actually sat
down and had a full on like, Iknow it's almost like a debrief
for me as well.

Nik (02:26):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Let's do a debrief for sure.
Now.
I'd like to start this off theway that I would always start
off my coaching sessions, youknow, usually is starting off
with some wins and celebrating.
So I would just love to knowwhat are you celebrating right
now?
What can we

SIPPY (02:41):
honestly, there's like too many.
I've gotten to the point whereI'm like, what am I not
celebrating

Nik (02:48):
But are you celebrating it though?
Right?
Are we actually taking the timeto actually really get in and
get

SIPPY (02:54):
every morning, every I've got my fifth.
I mean, we're going to get intoit all, but I got my 15 minutes
every morning and I'm, I'm inthere just like celebrating it
and get excited.
But, at the moment specifically,there's like a couple of things.
I'm in this like new phase thatI'm really enjoying, and I'm
excited by, but long story shortat the moment, I'm kind of

(03:16):
celebrating this headline tour,it's been really successful,
which is awesome.
it's so scary to go off and dothose sorts of things and seeing
it all be successful is.
Super awesome.
I'm really enjoying being outthere with everyone, seeing my
fans, like connecting with them.
And, we're doing a lot of these360 shows, which means I get a

(03:37):
lot more time with everyone andactually get to experience them
a little bit more, which hasbeen super fun.
so very much celebrating that, Imoved into a new place.
Which means I'm in a new studioand very much celebrating my new
space because it's not quitefinished, but I'm loving it.
And yeah, I'm celebrating thisspace I've built for myself.

Nik (04:00):
I wanna get a, tour, of the new studio when we're done.
You gotta

SIPPY (04:03):
I can definitely give You a little tour.
I cleaned up especially for you.

Nik (04:07):
Aw.
you.

SIPPY (04:09):
Yeah.
it was a little bit of a mess,but it's okay.
It's clean now.
incentive.
and I'm also just celebratingthis like new headspace and
mindset I'm in..
Like where I'm at, wait, maybeI'll take one step back.
One thing I'm also celebratingis I'm in a period right now
where I'm very much making thetime for writing music and.
And all of that.
And that is so much fun.

(04:31):
Like that's where I'm most athome.
I love writing music.
And I'm going to be honest.
I was out of practice for awhile.
Cause I wasn't being consistentwith it.
It was kind of like deadlinecome.
So I push, push, push, and thenI'm burnt out.
So I take all this time off.
Whereas at the moment I'm inlike a really good routine with
it.
And I'm just like.
Loving it.
and then, yeah, the mostimportant thing that I'm
celebrating is just like themindset that I'm in at the

(04:54):
moment.
and the things I did toprioritize that and to get
myself here, It feels fuckingawesome.
I honestly am at a point whereI'm like, how was I even
surviving with my old headspace?
Like it was just exhausting.
And now, yeah, here I am.

Nik (05:12):
let's, let's take it back to your old headspace, where
were you at and what were youstruggling with?
When you came to me forcoaching?

SIPPY (05:22):
There's sort of two points that I think of the point
where we were, we did the firstpodcast and then the point where
I came To you with coaching.
I think when I was on thepodcast, I sort of opened up a
little bit more.
That was a bit more phase ofacceptance.
I had come to terms with things,with certain things in my

(05:43):
mentality and my headspace thatweren't quite right.
And I remember opening up to youabout a lot of those things.
But I kind of, you know, I wasat acceptance, but I wasn't at,
let's do something about it, Ithink.
and then probably six monthsafter that was, I have to do
something about this, justknowing that.
That's where my headspace is.

(06:04):
Is it making it go away?
and then, I kind of had onephase of that before I started
coaching with you where I waslike, I need to do some stuff
for myself, to get myself, intoa certain headspace and in a
certain spot.
And then once I get there, I'mheading into you and I feel
like, yeah, the first few monthsof doing that, I got myself to a
place where I'm like, okay.

(06:25):
You know, we're sitting here,we're at the point where I don't
feel like I'm, I feel like I'msurviving.
it sounds so dramatic, butbefore that I was really like,
I'm working hard just for day today shit.

Nik (06:38):
Tell me, more about what you were really going through at
that moment and where yourheadspace was when you were just
in that kind of survival mode.

SIPPY (06:45):
You know, I definitely had, like a big bout of
depression that I was kind ofstruggling to, to shake, and I
got out of the kind of heavinessof that.
I wasn't really sitting in thedoom and gloom, but I had a lot
of anxiety and I'm someone who Ihave a history of it.
Like, when I was a kid, I had itreally bad.
And then I kind of don't have noidea how, but the.

(07:09):
A long period, I just kind ofdidn't exist for me.
And then, as I got older, itkind of resurfaced and, trying
to, deal with it as an adult iscompletely different to when
you're a kid, and so thatanxiety was really.
exacerbated by the kind oflifestyle I have with music and
also just the industry itself.

(07:30):
You know, there's so many thingsthat kind of happen that are
definitely not built to make youless anxious.
Let's just say that, you

Nik (07:38):
Yeah.
What, what are some of thosethings that are anxiety
inducing, you know, as a touringartist playing this game, living
this lifestyle.
What were some of those thingsthat were creating that anxiety
for you?

SIPPY (07:51):
One of them is like the sense of routine.
Your life starts to have Barelyany routine because it changes
day by day.
You know, I'm never at my housefor long periods of time, or I'm
flying out every weekend,different airport, different
cities, different people,everything is always changing
and there's no sense ofcongruency, besides yourself,

(08:14):
which is okay.
If you're in a good, Headspaceand you're doing the things you
need to do for yourself, but, ifyou're not, you feel more
trapped inside yourself becauseyou're literally only with
yourself.
You've got no one else to kindof pull you out of that, you
know, no matter how many callsyou make or, text you send it's
still not quite the same.
That's definitely one thingthat's, Quite anxiety inducing.

(08:35):
another one is also just so muchof this industry is.
And I know this is a big one andI'm sure we're going to go into
depth with this, but like thisindustry is a lot about
comparison.
and really as an artist, that issuper unhelpful.
it's really unhelpful, for yourheadspace, for your art, for
just your overall wellbeing.

(08:56):
But a lot of it is emails withurgency about.
What line you deserve to be on,on a poster, like you're better
than this person or you're worsethan this person, or you're
worth this much money or you'reworth that much money.
And, having those conversationsevery day, yeah, it can be
pretty tough and anxietyinducing and, um,, the, and then

(09:19):
the other element of it too,that's, Super unhelpful for
anxiety is the social mediacomponent, Having this pressure
that you need to be on socialsall the time.
And you need to be blowing upand you need to be, so present
on there, especially, as peoplewho.
That's not really our specialty.
We're in it because we likewriting music and we some of us

(09:41):
might like performing music.
Some of us don't even likeperforming.
It's more about like the writingand the artistry of that sort of
thing.
Being on social media all thetime and then getting all sorts
of comments and things,negative, positive, whatever it
is, like It's a whirlwind foranxiety,

Nik (09:59):
Yeah.
So you were getting pulled offcourse a bit with your headspace
and feeling a lot of anxiety, atthat time.
Yeah.

SIPPY (10:06):
And definitely like the way that the long term routine
was, which is like months andmonths of playing shows every
weekend, and then I would thenhave these moments where I'm
like, okay, I have four weeks.
Of no shows at all, which isgreat.
That's the time where it's okay,now I get to rest and recharge,

(10:26):
but you're so wound up andyou're so burnt out that
honestly, it takes a whole monthto unwind or you don't even get
to unwind and then you're backon the road again.
and I think that was the biggestthing.
At the point where, thingsstarted to change for me, I went
into my doctor and mypsychologist and I was like, I'm

(10:46):
having all these like physicalanxiety symptoms and I'm going,
yeah, yeah, but it's allanxiety.
I know it is.
I'm in my burnout period.
Like I would literally come tomy doctor and my psychologist
being like, okay, like burnout'scoming up.
Like, I know, I know it's aboutthat time.
And they were like, look, we getthat, you know, that it's
coming, but That doesn't stop itfrom happening and the problem

(11:08):
is the more that you kind ofallow, you're just like waiting
until it happens and then youjust sit through it and a
fucking horrible and they'relike, the more that happens,
like the worst, each of thesebouts will become and they were
very right.
And now I'm getting to a pointwhere it's like, okay it's more
about how am I going to optimizemyself to not reach those
burnouts if this is mylifestyle, obviously there's

(11:30):
always a choice to be like,okay, I'm not doing it anymore
and just getting out of itcompletely.
But I'm like, if this issomething I really love and want
to do, how can I make it workwithout turning into this
complete.
mess when I get a break.

Nik (11:45):
Yeah.
So this was more around the timewhen we had, done the first
podcast and you were just tryingto get back to baseline

SIPPY (11:52):
that was probably from about six months after that is
where I was like, I need to getto baseline, like I need to
create a, it does not go belowthis, no matter how busy I've
been and you know, all the rest.

Nik (12:07):
what were some of the things that you did then just to
help yourself get back tobaseline?
Yeah,

SIPPY (12:16):
like it was kind of like a new year's resolution where I
was like, 2024 is the year thatI prioritize my mental health
you know, I always say, yeah,I'm prioritizing my mental
health, but I'm like, this is ayear I prioritize that over
everything else, over everythingelse.
And before that it was careerover everything else, always

(12:37):
career.
This is over everything.
With that, I went to my doctor,went to my psychologist and
spoke to them about options.
about, like, some things thatwould help me.
And then we made a plantogether.
I, Stayed on top of mypsychologist appointments, you
know, like I used to be like,Oh, I'll talk to my psychologist
and then I do it like twice andthen be like, I'm good.

(12:58):
And then go off and just unraveland then come back to him being
like, Oh, my God, I stayed ontop of that.
I

Nik (13:04):
Isn't that normally what we do though, as well as it's like,
we're in a bad place, we'restruggling, we're falling off
and it's like, okay, let me dothe things I need to do to get
back into a good place.
And maybe, you know, we startexercising And eating better and
journaling, meditating,whatever, seeing the therapist.
And then we're good.
And then we're like, okay, I'mgood.
aNd we stopped doing the things.
And then next thing we know,we're just going back into this,

(13:24):
the cycle.
I've done that so many times.
Right.
I think

SIPPY (13:27):
Yeah.
Honestly, I was doing that forages.
I think it was only until, itwasn't until we started working
with each other that I startedto have a completely different
cycle with all of that sort ofstuff.
The other thing I was doing wasjust like, I was also doing my
own research and my own bits andpieces for my mental health.

(13:47):
I started turning my mentalhealth almost into a hobby.
I was like, okay, like insteadof playing video games or
instead of Playing guitar orwhatever.
I'm gonna do stuff.
That's good and helpful for mymental health so I got like a
workbook for example, that'slike It's a cognitive behavioral
therapy and I was like, okay,I'm gonna sit down It's like a

(14:07):
workbook so I'd go through andyou know I just was doing all
these little things and I waslike, I don't know what's gonna
help But all I know is I'm gonnatry and do it

Nik (14:16):
Yeah.

SIPPY (14:17):
And I'm not going to put a timeline on it.
I don't care.
I'm not going to think, oh,well, I have to get better by
the time I get back to shows.
I was like, I may not.
And that's okay.

Nik (14:27):
here's the, here's the secret.
Here's the secret is, well, one,just big shout out.
What you did was you decided I'mgoing to start doing the work,
right?
I'm going to start doing thework, whatever, you know, I'm
doing the workbooks.
I'm doing whatever I can.
And the truth is the work neverends.
It never ends.
There's no, there's never goingto be a point where it's like,,
I'm just done, you know, causethere's always going to be a

(14:49):
next level what's going tohappen is, okay, well now I'm
good and I'm succeeding and I'mgrowing and now I'm just in a
different phase of life.
And guess what?
There's going to be newchallenges someday, you know,
you'll be married and you'llhave kids and then there's going
to be a whole other level oflike leveling up and work and
it's just, you know, we're goingto keep entering these new
phases,

SIPPY (15:09):
yeah.
Yeah.
It's definitely like the worknever stops.
And there was actually a reallygood book that I read that was
talking about that.
and it doesn't stop, but I alsohave noticed that I'm in a
headspace at the moment wherethe work.
Feels easier and becomes morefun.
that's a cool headspace to be inbecause it does make it more fun

(15:31):
because I remember them beinglike, Oh God, like I was so
like, but yeah, I am workinghard and I am doing it, but I
wasn't,

Nik (15:38):
it's harder, to get yourself into the good place.
It's like when you're in a placewhere you're struggling, it's
like, that's where it's aheavier lift of work of I
really, you know, I, I've read abook recently that called I
declare war and it's about likedeclaring war on your inner
demons, basically like

SIPPY (15:57):
Wow.
I want to read that book.

Nik (16:00):
you know, and, And to me, something shifted where it was
like, I would go through myfunks, I would have my little
depressive episodes, I'd have mybad days, I'd have my whatever,
it was almost more of a casualapproach to being like, Oh,
okay, this thing is happening.
I'm going to write it out or I'mgoing to just maybe, yeah, I'm
going to go just fucking waitfor it to be over.

(16:20):
And I had my kind of first realbout with anxiety.
I had like a, an anxiety attackrelatively recently, a few weeks
ago.
And it was like the minute thatit happened.
I mean, I'd, I'd add, I'd saytwo

SIPPY (16:33):
I'm like, must

Nik (16:34):
kind of back to back.

SIPPY (16:37):
What does that

Nik (16:37):
Yeah, you know, I've also been doing this work.
I've been doing the work forfucking 15 years, you know,
Relatively regularly, but theminute that that happened and it
was like, I slipped, I like, itfelt like the train slipped off
the tracks and I felt totallyout of control.
And I was like, Oh, I was like,Oh, Oh, you want to fuck with me
like anxiety.
Like you want to come start someshit.

(16:59):
I was like, let's go.
And it was this, like, I gotlike aggressive about it.
I was like, Oh, I'm going todeclare war on this.
And I was like, all right, I'mgoing to get, I got coaching.
I got the therapist.
Reached out to like eight peoplefor support.
I was like, everybody, let's go.
We're going to fucking battlethis thing, you know?
And, and it was a totallydifferent approach to then I
think in the past.

(17:20):
And, what I'm getting at isthere is a level of how much do
you want to really put into it?
I keep using these veryaggressive words, like attack
it, you know, is what I want tosay, but it's like, it's just
like a throttle.
It's like, I can do a little bitof the work on a, I can approach
it casually.
Or like you said, you're like, Imade my mental health the
priority.
This became the thing.
And I started putting in someserious focus and some serious

(17:42):
effort rather than it being likethe afterthought or the thing
that gets the leftoverbreadcrumbs of our time and
energy.
Yeah,

SIPPY (17:54):
you are hesitant about saying these aggressive words is
because there's always thisthing in mental health.
That's be kind to yourself andblah, blah, blah.
And it's not that you can't belike those two things can happen
at the same time.
You know what I mean?
Like you can still be, kind andgracious to yourself while still
getting after it, It's not to beconfused with that grind

(18:16):
mentality.
It's literally like, no, I'mjust getting serious about.
Not feeling like this anymorebecause you always think like
when you're in the moment,you're like, I never want this
to happen again.
If you don't want it to happenagain, why are you not doing the
work?
and there is definitely a switchthat flicks and you can't always
predict how or when it willhappen because.

(18:40):
for me, I was like, why was thatthe point?
Or what made my headspace getinto that?
Like you said, I've had manylike leveling up periods, but
this one was a big one that Iwas like, holy shit.
I wish I fucking opened up likethis, two years ago or whatever,
but I don't know.
It happens when it happensbecause of a combination of
where you're at, what you'velearned, and all of

Nik (19:01):
yeah.

SIPPY (19:02):
of things.

Nik (19:03):
And this is A very big generalization that a lot of
people talk about as being thedifference between therapy and
coaching is a lot of times whenwe're in a really bad place,
it's not necessarily the timefor coaching.
You might not really respondwell to it.
I'm at like a negative five andI just need to get back to zero
that probably is time Fortherapy There's probably like a

(19:26):
bit of a deeper level of work.
Whereas with coaching is morelike, okay maybe i'm at a zero
i'm like i'm okay, but I want tobe doing fucking great I want to
go from good to great.
I want to go from great toabsolutely spectacular, you

SIPPY (19:38):
That's really it.
Cause after we did the podcast,I remember being like, wow, like
that was awesome.
I love talking to Nick.
Like that was great.
And I remember you saying look,here's my details if you want to
book in a session.
And I remember at the time beinglike, I want this, but I know
I'm not ready.
and then, I had that 6 monthslater where I had the, okay,

(20:01):
like, here I am.
I'm going to prioritize allthis.
And I distinctly remembergetting to a point where I was
like, Oh, okay.
Now I feel ready, now I feellike that's really going to help
me.
And honestly, looking back onthe whole experience, I'm so
glad I did it with you at thatpoint, because that's exactly
what I needed to do.
I needed to get myself to thatbaseline.

(20:23):
And then once I was there, I waslike, I think I could have kept
going, with what I was going,but I think it would have taken
me a lot longer.
whereas once I started with you,it kind of helped me compound on
what I'd already done while itwas still fresh.
Which was great, honestly.

Nik (20:40):
Yeah.
Yeah.
So I remember it wasn't thatlong into coaching.
It was like after our probablyfirst or second session that
like you started having some bigbreakthroughs,, do you remember,
what was the big shift for youwhen we started and what were
some of the changes that youstarted making?

SIPPY (20:57):
I mean there were definitely a lot of changes.
My completely changed.
I remember I had this big thingin my head where I was like, I
miss my old headspace.
Like, you know, I kept beingkind of fixated on this and it
was because I had this mentalitybefore I moved to the States
that I just really enjoyed.

(21:18):
I felt like it really served mepositively.
And I think I talked about it onthe podcast, but once I moved,
it wasn't sitting in thatpositive.
direction anymore, which meant Iwas feeling way down, about a
lot of things.
So early on working with you, Ifeel like that headspace, like

(21:39):
we tackled a few things prettyquickly that sort of allowed me
to start moving that headspace.
and there were a few dailypractices that I started doing
that really I mean, I still dothem every day.
if anything, I do them more nowthan I was even doing them when
we were coaching, that I noticehow much they help keep me in

(22:02):
that, Kind of headspace, and nowit almost feels like I almost
can't default back into thatkind of like headspace I was in
before, you know, like,

Nik (22:12):
Yeah.
So what are, what are some ofthe daily practices that you're
doing now to keep that headspaceand a in a positive state?

SIPPY (22:20):
so now, one of the biggest things that's physical
thing I do every day is I dothis 15 minutes.
Journaling and manifesting.
also, just for the record, Idon't know if I ever told you
this at the time, but forwhatever reason, the word
manifest just irks me.
I just don't, I just, I don'tknow why I have such a negative
connotation with the wordmanifest.

(22:42):
I mean, we said early on, we'rein woo woo, but we're also like,
like, woo woo but like,

Nik (22:50):
I always gotta, I always do like the Tests with the clients.
I'm like, yeah, like where areyou at on the woo woo scale?
Like how How woo woo and weirdand spiritual can I get with you
but you know I gotta thank youactually because when we were
working together You reminded meabout Joe Dispenza's work.
And a lot of times, yeah,talking about manifesting and

(23:12):
the law of attraction and you,when you put your thoughts out
into the universe and then theycome back to you through the you
know, the divine source is goingto bring you whatever you want.
Like, yeah, it's some fluffyass, cheesy, woo woo shit.
But you reminded me about, JoeDispenza, who is a, You know, it
comes from a science backgroundand basically is proving,

(23:33):
scientific reality behind howour brain works, how our body
works, how the energy in ourbody works, knowing that we are
all energy.
Everything is made up of energy.
Our body is made up of tinyatoms that are all made up of
energy and thoughts and ouremotions are connected and how
they connect and on the quantum,this is like quantum mechanics,

(23:54):
quantum physics on this sort ofquantum realm, how our energy
attracts other energy into it.
So it's proving the sciencebehind quantum mechanics.
The manifestation stuff.
yeah, ever since you reminded meof that, like, I, my whole
coaching approach I've startedto use a much different
terminology now.
It's become much less woo wooand a lot more science based of
like, look, this is how yourbrain works.

(24:15):
This is how your body works.
Your body is made up of energy.
Everything is energy.
Money is energy.
So how are we like controllingthe

SIPPY (24:21):
I think that's I remember you bringing that up.
When we were doing the coaching,when you started talking about
this energy stuff, differentwords resonate for different
people.
It is really all the sameconcepts.
It's just, they resonatedifferently.
But I remember when you likestarted talking about energy.
That's something I feel and haveexperienced.
It very much resonated with me,but, I say kind of my 15 minutes

(24:42):
to like journal gratefulnessmanifesting.
And essentially it's a routineof 15 minutes and there's three
sections to it.
The first section is I have 10goals.
That are like my current goalsthat I.
I guess they're more short termgoals that I write out every
day.
One to 10, every day I writethem out.
And then the second part I do,I've actually changed it a

(25:05):
little bit from when we weredoing it in coaching.
So

Nik (25:09):
Yeah.

SIPPY (25:10):
when we were doing it, then I was doing goals, then the
next step was gratefulness.
So 10 things that I'm gratefulfor, and that could be anything.
Goals is also anything.
it's not necessarily careerrelated.
if anything, like half of it isfor me is usually personal.
and then the 10 gratefulnessagain, anything from I'm
grateful for this opportunity Ihad to play this show to I'm

(25:33):
grateful for the sound of birds.
Like it can literally be.

Nik (25:37):
Yeah.

SIPPY (25:38):
and then I've actually changed that one recently
instead of just being gratefulnurse.
It's now called grateful andproud.

Nik (25:47):
So a little, a little bit of like celebration in there

SIPPY (25:49):
Yeah.
because I was noticing sometimesI felt like I wasn't
celebrating, in thatgratefulness, I was trying to
say, Oh, I'm grateful that likeI've done this for myself.
But then I started being like,well, I can just

Nik (26:02):
You

SIPPY (26:02):
as like, I'm proud of myself for doing those things.
yeah.
So that's the second part.
And then the third part issitting down for five minutes
and just bringing all of that,essentially like feeling that,
Into my body.
and just really thinking it outand imagining myself as I'm

(26:23):
achieving those goals and, beinga person that, that is now a
reality for them.
and I do that every, every day,every day.

Nik (26:32):
First off, I love that you're sharing with me that the
word manifest kind of irks you.
'cause I call that the 15minutes to manifest.

SIPPY (26:39):
Yeah, I know.

Nik (26:40):
I will

SIPPY (26:40):
say, but I'm like, I love the exercise.
I love the exercise.
And,

Nik (26:44):
it.

SIPPY (26:45):
and it is manifesting.
I don't know what other

Nik (26:48):
but I'm gonna change it to 15 minutes to make shit happen.
That's what I'm gonna call it.
instead.
Right.

SIPPY (26:54):
I fuck with it.
honestly, it's my 15 minutes.
I know we talked about thisconcept, but it's my 15 minutes
to like, and this is fucking woowoo, but it's my 15 minutes to
connect with the greater power.
it's connecting me with theenergy and the creative,,
greater power.
And that is like, so woo woo.

(27:16):
So I'm not going to be like,this is my 15 minutes to connect
with the greater power.
Like, everyone's going to belike, Sippy has lost her fucking

Nik (27:22):
yeah, yeah, yeah here's the thing, call it whatever you
want.
I want to take a moment tocelebrate you.
Because you're actually doingthe work.
and That's really important islike I can coach people until
I'm blue in the face.
But if you don't actually do thefucking things, it doesn't
matter.
I can give you the strategy.

(27:42):
That's all I can do though.
It's like in sports, it's like Ican be on the sidelines and I
can help you come up with theplay and I can call out the
blind spots and give you sometips and some pointers.
But you are the one that's onthe field that's running with
the ball that has to do thework.
And I want to celebrate youbecause not only were, while we
were working together, You woulddiscipline, you're like, all
right, cool.
I'm going to 15 minutes a day.

(28:03):
Then I'm going to sit down.
I'm going to do this shit.
I'm going to trust my coach.
I'm going to put in the work,right?
but not only that, you also havecontinued to do it.
Right.
And haven't stopped doing it.
Kind of like we were sayingbefore, and even though things
are going well, you haven't beenlike, oh, okay, I'm good.
I don't need to do that anymore.
You're

SIPPY (28:18):
Well, I'm not gonna lie.
I did.
I did have some time where I waslike, yeah, Yeah.
like I'll do it every whatever.
And honestly, it was recentlythat I went on a a break where I
had no shows was two weeks inAustralia at home and Journaling
just stopped, right?
I think I did it like twice and,but I wasn't working, I was

(28:40):
working on music, but like, Iwasn't playing shows or anything
like that.
I got to the point at the end ofthat two weeks and I was like, I
don't like this.
I want to do it.
Even when I'm on break, becauseit makes me feel good, like I
feel so much better.
I don't know if you never workout or if you never go outside
or if you don't like shower,like you can not shower, but you

(29:04):
just feel like shit,

Nik (29:05):
That's that's the thing is that's it's exactly what it is
is it's an exercise and in thesame way that we need to
exercise our physical body.
We also need to exercise ourinternal body.
We need to exercise ouremotional body.
Right.
We need to exercise our mentalbody and because that's what we
are made up of as humans.

(29:26):
We are a combination of physicalenergy, mental energy and
emotional energy.
And, exercise is very, veryclear when it comes to physical
exercise.
Go to the gym, lift weights, gorunning, eat healthy food.
But.
We also really have to do thesame thing for the internal
world.
So this is, this is like, likejust 15 minutes of exercise for

(29:48):
your mind, for your emotions,for your heart, for your soul.
But that's how you build astrong, energetic body and you
build a strong mental state islike you have to commit yourself
to doing some of the exercisesthat are going to make it
strong.
So I really just, again, Want tocelebrate you.
And even noticing I'm like,damn, when I don't do this for a
couple of weeks.
I kind of feel a little bit off.

(30:08):
I kind of feel like I'm, I'm notas sharp.
I'm not as grounded.
I'm not as dialed in.
And then, okay, now, somebody inyour position, okay, now I've
got a bunch of flights to get onand a bunch of fucking shows and
managers and agents.
And so like you need to be solidon the inside,

SIPPY (30:25):
yeah.
you really do and honestly whenyou are Everything else just
comes so much It just comeseasily in terms of decisions and
handling things and where to goand what to like, all of that
feels so much more easy tohandle because you are so solid
in your own stuff.
it feels way less reactive, eventhough you're still reacting.

(30:47):
you're still reacting to what'shappening in the outside world.
it doesn't feel quite as like,holy shit, I'm trying to like,
make this work and do good andbe, I'm trying to make this
happen.
It just all flows way easier.

Nik (31:03):
So what are some of the specific changes and results
that you created for yourselfwhile we were coaching together?

SIPPY (31:14):
There were a few, I think writing down those goals every
day is great because it doesalso allow you to keep track of
where you were and how faryou've come.
I even like, I'm actually justcurious now at where.
My,

Nik (31:33):
Where the

SIPPY (31:34):
like, I'm trying to think what my original goals were,

Nik (31:36):
you knocked out your top goals within the first like two
months and we were like, wait aminute, like we have to set more
goals now.

SIPPY (31:43):
got to write more, like, you know, I've also, recently
I'm writing down a few goals,I'm like, once you achieve them
and you keep writing them, youget to a point where you're
like, should I keep writing thisdown, because I feel like I'm
there, and I'm not going to lie,I'm at that point

Nik (31:59):
Here's the three goals that I have here.
I am on my own headlining tour,I am writing music consistently,
and I am more present andenjoying playing my shows.

SIPPY (32:09):
Yeah,

Nik (32:10):
And those we knocked off real quick.

SIPPY (32:12):
those we knocked off.
I have a well balanced lifebetween work, rest, exercise,
self care, and we're

Nik (32:20):
Boom.

SIPPY (32:20):
front.
I am calm, relaxed, not anxious,happy, and grateful for my life.

Nik (32:26):
Yeah.
Yeah.

SIPPY (32:34):
almost half of these.
One of the big ones.
me see if there's another, yeah.
One of the big ones was I'm notcomparing and I'm on my own path
slash sure of myself.
that was a big one.
That was a big one.
I wanted to overcome

Nik (32:53):
Yeah, you were getting a little caught up in the
comparison game

SIPPY (32:56):
Yeah, the comparison and the race and the bigger than you
and they're better than you andit's happening for them, but
it's not happening for you.
I got really caught up in all ofthat.
and yeah, it didn't honestly, itdidn't take us long to rewire
it.
Like, I remember being like, Oh,I hate that.
I'm like this and you're like,all right, we'll get it.
And then, I think a month later,I was like, Nick.

(33:17):
I'm like on the other side, likeI'm full on, like opposite of
that mode now, which is

Nik (33:24):
What was How did you make that shift?

SIPPY (33:28):
where my thoughts went every time I saw people.
I remember you saying, somethingbecause at the end of the day,
nothing has really changed interms of the outside.
You know, everything's stillexactly the same.
It's just the way that I waskind of.
Dealing with it and processingit now has completely changed.
Essentially we, I remember ushaving a, an exercise that was,

(33:48):
I want you to celebrate someoneevery day.
I want you to celebrate someoneelse every day.
And you said extra points ifit's someone that you don't
like.
And not that I don't likeeveryone, but you know, like,

Nik (34:02):
Yeah, some of that you compare yourself to and maybe
get jealous of.
And, you know, that's, which isour little ego, our little human
ego.
It's so normal to do that.
Like, Oh yeah, this person is,yeah, they're getting billed
more.
They have more fans or whatever.
it's just so normal and natural.
So

SIPPY (34:18):
Yeah.
So that one I remember as I wasdoing that, I think I got into
the third day and there wassomeone that I, I was so stuck
on them.
I was like, oh, I don't wanna,you know, I don't wanna
celebrate this person.
And literally only a matter ofweeks later, I got to the point
where not only was I okay withcelebrating them, but I found

(34:40):
myself reaching out and tryingto help them.
You know, like I actively waslike.
I want to see this person likethrive and live a good life.
I remember us like pretty muchlaughing about it.
seeing how my headspace wastoday, you were like, am I
getting this correct?
this was a person that you werenot stoked on.
And now, you know,

Nik (34:59):
Well, and that's such a great example of.
A big piece of the foundation ofmy coaching is playing the
inside out game rather than theoutside in game, right?
When we're playing the insideout game at all, it really
becomes all about what's goingon inside of me, right?
If I am feeling jealous or I'mfeeling anxious or whatever,

(35:20):
normally what we might try to dois then, well, let me go succeed
more.
really work on, getting a higherfee or getting more bookings or
climbing up the lineup or let mego prove myself in some way so
that then I'll feel better aboutmyself.
Right.
When really the inside out gameis like, Oh, let me change.
The way that I'm operating onthe inside, which is that Oh, I

(35:40):
can choose to celebrate.
I can choose to be in gratitude.
I can choose to love on people.
I can choose to love my haters.
You know what I mean?
Or I can go try to work reallyhard to prove them wrong and
prove myself in some way.
And at some point I will get tothis level of success that I
finally feel good about myself.
Or I can choose to let go of allthat fucking bullshit and feel

(36:01):
good about myself now and justchoose to spread joy and spread
love and be a fucking positivelight now.
And oh my God, not only doesthat feel better, but look at
the results that I create fromthere are probably going to be

SIPPY (36:13):
exactly.
Exactly.
Yeah, it's definitely acompletely different frequency
to be

Nik (36:19):
Hmm.

SIPPY (36:20):
yeah, and you do notice pretty quick.
Other people who are not.
You know, sitting in that samefrequency and you kind of see it
from the outside and you'relike, damn, like you're making
this lot harder than it needs tobe.

Nik (36:32):
Yeah.
Well, and here's, here's thetruth is there is a lot of ego
and there's a lot of competitionin the scene, there's a lot of
comparison, there's a lot ofjust fucking weird kind of murky
energy, and it's like you canget sucked into that and get
absolved by it and play thatgame or you can also really,

(36:53):
choose to, bring your ownenergy.
Which I got to share this.
I've I found the very this isfrom a note that I had from our
very last session.
I want to share with you.
This is something that you saidwas, um, you said, I want to do
things the sippy way and then itsays doing things from love

(37:13):
instead of fear.

SIPPY (37:16):
I was actually just going to bring that up because I think
everything that I had worked onand all of that, like a lot of
it was.
the things we've talked about,even though it is deep, it
wasn't the root of everything.
And I think the root ofeverything I remember you
telling me this so early on was,you sort of encouraged me to try

(37:40):
and work and move, out of loveinstead of fear.
And I remember when you firstmentioned that concept to me, I
didn't fully understand it.
I did get it, but, I was kind ofgrappling with this love versus
fear.
How are they the same?
How, how are they kind ofopposites of each other?
and then, as the weeks went on,I started to realize, holy shit,

(38:02):
most of what I've been doing inmy Well, not most, my head space
was just very much the way I wasreacting to things in terms of
my career.
And even my life was out offear.
It was, I have to do workbecause if I don't do work, I
won't be successful.
And that's.
I'm scared of that, instead of,I want to create and I want to

(38:25):
be an artist and I want to havefun and I want to bring joy and
I want to, you know, like,, itwas definitely on the fear side.
And now that I've seen thatit's.
It has changed completely how Igo about a lot of different
things.
especially when it comes to thecareer, because it's like, wow,
now I'm, now that I'm doingthings out of love, I'm almost

(38:48):
more likely to take risks, butit doesn't feel like I'm taking
risks because there's nodownside if it doesn't work
because I'm purely just here to.
enjoy, create, make otherpeople's lives better, and also
in doing that, I'm enjoying theprocess as I go as well, rather
than this headspace of fear ofif I don't play that show, if I

(39:08):
don't work, then if I don't posthere, you know, all out of fear
that, I won't be successful.
I won't have money.
I won't be able to pay my bills,all of these reasons why I
should be scared.

Nik (39:20):
yeah, Yeah.
and I know that a lot of peoplethat are listening.
Can relate to that right nowbecause I talk to artists every
day I work with artists everyday and it's not even just an
artist thing.
It's a human thing.
We're so programmed We're soprogrammed to live in fear.
I mean, even look at right nowwith like the elections, it's

(39:40):
just like, Oh my God, thecountry and all this stuff is
going to happen to everybody.
Be scared.
It's like, we're being fed somuch stuff, to fear, and there's
just so much deep programmingthere, but when we can tap into
The truth of who we are, thetruth of who and what we are,
which I believe that we are,spiritual beings having the
human experience.
And there is a part of ourselfthat is this infinite spirit

(40:02):
with infinite potential withinfinite creative energy that
wants to come out.
It wants to be expressed like wewant to fucking love and to play
and to create.
And when you can tap into thatpart of yourself, life is so, so
different than, um, I have to dothis.
I, Oh my gosh, I have to succeedand I have to do this quickly
and I have to make this moneyand I have to get these likes

(40:24):
and I have to get thisacceptance and I have to get
signed.
It's like the energy around thatis all it's coming from fear.
this is literally like thedeepest level of it.
it's conquering fear.
Can we conquer fear, and it'snot necessarily maybe a switch
that is flipped and it's justlike, Oh my God, I'd never feel
fear again.
It's like, no fear is, it's alsostill going to be there, but

(40:45):
yeah, but the, but the, processis, can I continue to choose
love and can I continue tochoose courage, right?
The fear is going to come, butcan I have the courage to lean
into the fear, right?
And can I have the,Consciousness to choose love and
not get sucked into thequicksand of fear and it's
easier said than done But thisis the work What's up everybody?

(41:09):
This is Nick and I just want topop in here real quick because
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especially artists.
You know, this path is hard andit comes with its own unique set
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in the right place to creating asuccessful business for yourself
and building an audience andbuilding a brand.
And I truly believe you're notmeant to do this on your own.
None of us are.

(41:29):
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So if you've been inspired bythis episode so far and are
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(41:50):
But for anyone that signs up inthe next two weeks, I'm also
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(42:12):
And either way, wishing you aton of success and fulfillment
on your journey.
Let's fucking get it.

SIPPY (42:17):
Yeah.
You're right.
And also, like, I think, justhearing you say all of that as
well, the world right now isreally scary and a lot of people
are scared There's a part of methat's like, but why, and yes,
you can give me a plethora ofthe things that are fucked up in
the world.
There's plenty of shit that'sfucked up, but the more that

(42:38):
we're sitting in a place of theworld's fucked up, I'm scared,
that kind of moves you intoacting and reacting.
In that place of fear, whichhonestly makes it worse.
It makes it a lot worse.
I remember my dad, cause I wasjust reflecting on it for
myself.
I like the past, like a coupleof weeks I have been feeling a

(43:00):
lot of fear.
And I was just thinking rightthen.
And again, not that there aren'tscary things that are happening
in the world and blah, blah, butyou think about that, but then
you're like, but I'm sittinghere and right now, none of that
stuff is happening.
Yeah.
I'm okay.
Like, I remember listening tothis, like meditation being
like, literally the wholemeditation was essentially just
being like, you're okay.

Nik (43:21):
Yeah,

SIPPY (43:22):
it's, it sounds really weird, but I don't know if it's
like a hangover from COVID, butI think We saw this period of
time where it's whoa, shit canbe completely just torn up from
underneath you.
And then now, seeing thepotential of everything to be
ripped up underneath you, makesyou go, Holy shit.
like you get into this constantstate of fear around that.

(43:42):
but then the problem is if youget too stuck in that, you never
really get to live and enjoy itbecause

Nik (43:47):
Yeah

SIPPY (43:47):
scared all the time.

Nik (43:48):
Yeah.
Yeah.
And this is one of my Favoritequotes, from Shakespeare.
He said, a coward dies athousand times before his death,
but the valiant taste of death.
But once, it seems to me moststrange that men should fear
seeing that death, a necessaryend will come when it will come.
Right?
in a simple way, it's kind oflike worry about shit when it

(44:12):
actually happens, you know, andthis is what our brain does.
From the survival mechanism oflet's be prepared and protect
ourself in case somethinghappens.
So what we ended up doing is,well, let's imagine all the
worst case possible things thatcould happen, but then that it
becomes real in the moment andthe body, I mean, this is what

(44:32):
anxiety is.
It's like the, the, body.
I'm like, I just, you know, nowI'm having a fucking anxiety
attack, even though nothing isactually going on.
But my body thinks I'm going todie.
And so, you know, we gotta, we,that's that's the part of
ourself.
We really have to, work on.
and, as I said earlier, reallylike declare war on, and I'm
kind of like, look, I'll crossthat bridge when I get there.

SIPPY (44:53):
it's usually never as bad when you're in those scenarios.
Then it is when you're freakingout about those scenarios,

Nik (45:00):
This is the point I make all the time is it's like, well,
we're manifesting all the time,you know, when you're thinking
about a worst case scenario,you're thinking about your fear,
you're hyper focused on yourfear.
Now it's becoming real becauseyour body is feeling the
physical reaction of to thatfear.
And so.
We make it real and in the sameway, well, if we can do it in a

(45:23):
negative way, we also can do itin a positive way.
And that's really what we spentthree months doing was like,
okay, let's get super clear.
What do you want?
What's the best case scenario?
Not, not what's the worst thatcould happen.
What's the best that couldhappen?
Let's start Focusing on that andlet's write that shit down every
day and let's visualize thatshit every day.
Let me make my body actuallyfeel as if I'm already

(45:44):
accomplishing all of thatbecause it has the power to do
it in the other way.
It has the power to make theworst case scenario feel real.
We also have the power to makethe best case scenario feel
real.
If I can wake up every day and Ican make myself feel.
Even if nothing amazing ishappening, but I can bring, I
can use the power of my mind tobring my energy and even bring

(46:05):
my body into that state.
Like that's a fuckingsuperpower.
And the truth is we're all doingit all the time.
It's just what direction are youdoing it in?

SIPPY (46:13):
Exactly.
And I remember, like,, you saidthat very early on because I was
fixated on this, Oh, like mybrain's gotten into a very
negative space.
And I was focusing on thenegative and how my brain got to
that point.
And you're like.
You know, if you got your brainto that point, you can also get
your brain the other way.
And I just remember the ahamoment from that because I was

(46:34):
like, Oh fuck.
if I got to here, why can'texactly like what, you know, we
can, we can kind of go eitherway.
And yeah, it takes thediscipline, but you got to let
your head space into thatpositive.

Nik (46:46):
Yeah, but you're right.
It does take discipline.
It's like there's a naturalgravitational pull that just
wants to pull us into the doomand gloom, you know, negativity.
And so it does take effort.
It's not necessarily easy.
And that's, where I do want tocome back to celebrating you for
being such a coachable clientthat was down to do the work and

(47:08):
being like, all right, I'llfucking write this shit down
every day.
What, like, what do I

SIPPY (47:11):
weeks in,

Nik (47:12):
Let's do it.
Yeah.
What do I gotta

SIPPY (47:13):
I think we got two weeks in and you were like, fuck yeah,
like, this is great.

Nik (47:17):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, That's it.
It's like the work works if youwork it, a lot of people just
don't even know what the work isto do and they're scrambling.
They're just like, damn, I'mjust stuck.
I don't know what to do.
The cool thing is there is a wayout.
There are things that you cando, where we're talking about
some of these tools, thesepractices, these techniques,
even just having these kinds ofconversations on a regular
basis, I'm curious for you, whatwas it like as an artist to have

(47:41):
this kind of support in yourcorner because it is very unique
It is very different.
Obviously when people thinkabout building teams, you have a
manager and you have an agentMaybe you have a a tour manager
a videographer Like my vision isthat someday like there will be
coaches on the team also Youknow where where we can handle
the mindset side because it's sofucking important, right?

SIPPY (48:01):
For me, it's been the hardest thing for me to also
articulate to other people.
Although they can see it in myface.
Like when, because I told like alot of people around me, a lot
of my artist friends, a lot ofmy close friends, like music or
not music, whatever.
I started telling them that Iwas, starting to work with you
and I was like, Oh yeah.
Like.

(48:21):
You know, I have this coach,Nick, and I'm really excited to
work with him and blah, blah,blah.
And anytime they asked how, likehow it's going or how it went, I
almost couldn't articulate howmuch it changed everything for
me, I don't know, there were somany things that I was
struggling with, but that was sospecific to my, Life and my
scenario and my lifestyle, whichis, quite different to a lot of

(48:45):
people.
Say for example, I'd be talkingto my doctor and psychologist
and whatever, they're obviouslyhelping me in all this sort of
stuff, but, there was a part ofthem that was like, this is the
lifestyle you're in and you'regoing to have to find specific.
Ways of dealing with that, theywould never normally give that
advice to most of their clientsbecause most of their clients
are in the same house every day.
They have holidays.

(49:06):
They're kind of living in a bitof a different sort of
structure.
Whereas for me, they were a bitlike, I don't know what specific
suggestions, whereas, when westarted working, it was like,
okay, done the general stuff tolook after myself and my body
and blah, blah, blah.
Now I need to get specific abouthow I can get a grapple on my
specific life and the way thatit goes for me, and I could be a

(49:29):
lot more specific with you.
I travel all the time and thisis what happens and that's what
happens.
And, you know, this is where myhead space goes and there are
other people who are doing theexact same thing as me, but
they're having completelydifferent issues and problems
with it, and it means there area different set of things that
they need to be doing forthemselves.

(49:50):
say for example, with me, Idon't.
really have a problem with drugsand alcohol and all that sort of
stuff.
That comes up so often in ourscene and I'm constantly asking
myself like, Oh, do I have aproblem with alcohol?
So then I'm like, all right,I'll stop drinking alcohol.
And I just, I stop and have noproblem with it.
And just, you know, like I, Idon't really have a problem with

(50:12):
those sorts of things, but a lotof people in this scene do.
And I think, having a coach.
Especially one that likespecifically understands this
world and this life.
It just allows you to fast trackand find the process that's
going to help you within thebounds of how your life actually
is, say, for example, I'm like,Oh, I feel like my life is all

(50:34):
over the place and I don't havea routine.
Now I have a routine, you know,but we built it together.
The routine wasn't, I wake upand I make a cup of tea because
sometimes I can't make a cup oftea.
The routine is I journal everyday.
There's things that we madebecause that's my lifestyle and
realistically we need to make aroutine that's can be done

(50:55):
anywhere, anytime.

Nik (50:57):
Yeah.

SIPPY (50:58):
I talked to my manager about starting to work with you.
Not that, I don't know, therewas a big part of it that even
though I was like, I think thisis really going to help my
career.
A lot of it was also personal,but you know, I kind of spoke to
him and I was like I'm bringingthis guy on.
I think it's going to be reallygood for me, blah, blah, blah.
I think as I was working withyou, and also when I was talking

(51:18):
to other people, I was like, forme, someone like you should be
built in, you know, maybe not atthe start, but for acts that are
consistently touring, having acoach in there.
I feel like is not only going towork well for the artists, but
it's going to work well for theagents, for the promoters, for

(51:40):
the management, because itcreates an artist that is happy,
solid, is going to manageburnout I feel like at the
moment in our industry, there'sso many acts that are like a
quick, fast burn.
they blow up super quickly.
They do as much as they can, butthey kind of struggle with the
longevity.
And then, people start to becomedisinterested.

(52:01):
They don't know how to keep upwith it, or they can't really
reinvent themselves or continueto stay relevant.
And then they kind of fizzle outand then it's the next, you
know, Oh, well, who's, you know,the happening thing now and
who's the flavor of the week nowand blah, blah, blah.
And I think, having someone likea coach on the team allows the
artist to keep up witheverything, not burn out, stay

(52:23):
true to what they're doing,whilst also allowing them to
continue to keep creating, In away that's meaningful to them.
and honestly, I've spoken to somany friends about it.
I know quite a few of them havenow started coaching with you,
but so many friends that I'mlike, it's a game changer.
It changed everything for me.
And I think especially, say, forexample, I said this to you

(52:44):
before, if I was on a bus tourand had a coach there, like I
could be on that bus for monthsand months and have the best
time, you know, because it'ssomeone like helping you make
sure that you're staying inthat.
That kind of consistent routine.
And also it's someone that,doesn't have skin in the game in
terms of like, you don't haveany other motive than for me to

(53:05):
be happy and healthy Whereasmanagers and agents, you can
have good ones, you can have badones, but they always have the,
okay, well, we need to make yourcareer.
We need you to be bigger, or weneed to make more money.
Or there's, you know, there'salways something, whereas a
coach is literally like, I'mjust here to make sure that

(53:26):
you're happy and healthy and,doing the best that you can.

Nik (53:31):
yeah, yeah.
And it is a win win for all, youknow, it's just the happier and
healthier artists are, thebetter music is going to be
made, the more, shows are goingto be done, and performances are
going to crush it, and fans aregoing to be engaged with, and,
It's something that we've talkedabout a little bit, but it's, it

(53:52):
really is.
The vision is just like, yeah,to have, this thing called
coaching become more normalizedin the music industry.
and I think that's where, it hitme a few years ago where I
really connected the dots where,you know, I was like, I was a
grew up as an artist when I wasyoung and kind of through high
school, but then I really gotinto sports and became super
successful in sports, playingrugby because I had.

(54:15):
And I had, you know, good peoplein my corner.
I had structure.
I had sort of, you know, Therewas support there.
Whereas as an artist, I wantedto be an artist, but I never
really did.
Made it that far because I wasjust like, whoa, how do I do
this fucking thing?
You know, like what do I do?
And so I realized like, wait aminute, what if having some of
that same structure, having someof that, even just, mindset

(54:36):
coaching, brought into thisworld, which is oftentimes just
such a rollercoaster and such awild West of everyone just
trying to figure shit out.
Not to mention the yeah.
Throwing a bunch of partyinginto it too in our scene
specifically and there's drugsand alcohol everywhere.
It's like, okay cool It's kindof just a it's a fucking
chaotic, world so, you know, Ithat really is I think you put

(54:57):
just part of the vision is thatwe start to Make this more of a
thing, and this is just such agreat just such a great case
study right here that you and Ihave been able to do like wow,

SIPPY (55:07):
mean, I honestly think, yeah, I honestly think if I had
my own management company that Iwould have a coach that was like
in there on retainer.
A lot of managers have to becomea little bit like a, I wouldn't
say that they're like a coach,but they're usually just like a
lot of artists, Dump onto theirmanagers because they're just
like, they're the ones they talkto all the time, it honestly

(55:30):
doesn't work for either sidebecause I don't think it really
helps the artists.
Yes.
They're kind of venting tosomeone, but it doesn't really
help them.
And then the managers, they'renot really equipped to deal with
that.
And then it also makes them feelmore shit and maybe even
resentment to like some of theirclients.
And, I love my team.
I've been with them for, for solong.
Very much like respect andunderstand.

(55:51):
Them and their time.
And yes, I do go and talk tothem about a lot of things like
me and Harrison, my manager issuper close, but in saying that,
I came to you for a reasonbecause I'm like,

Nik (56:03):
Well, it's, it's also, it's, it's not really, it's not
really their job.
It's not really

SIPPY (56:07):
it's not,

Nik (56:08):
there, what they signed up for.

SIPPY (56:09):
and I don't want them to

Nik (56:10):
run.
Yeah.
They're, they're there to,they're there to help you run
your business, but also yourMindset and your emotional state
is so tied into the ability torun your business and most
managers are not necessarilytechnically trained in, you
know, coaching or therapy ormodalities like that.

(56:32):
But yeah, they do get throughit.
Thrown into that position.
I mean, that's literally why Ibecame a coach was because I was
a manager first and I wasmanaging acts for four or five
years.
And I, what I realized was like,Oh, I'm actually the business
side.
Wasn't really my skillset, butthat those late night talks and
those venting sessions and thosemotivational speeches, I was

(56:53):
like, Oh, that's my shit.
Like I, I could do that all day.
And so just naturally kind of,kind of found that.
So yeah, it makes sense that.
There is a space there, and Iget to put more effort into,
into creating that.
We get to, just open up thisdialogue and this conversation
and, you know, someday when youare retired from touring and
you're ready to, join me as thecoach, we'll open up our agency

(57:15):
and start, coaching artistsacross the globe.

SIPPY (57:18):
A

Nik (57:18):
the, vision.
I, we're, we're going to call itout, call it out now.
We'll look back on this podcastand like.
10 years and be like, wow, yes,yes, yes.
yes.

SIPPY (57:27):
higher power, yeah,

Nik (57:30):
Well, Sippy, this is, this is, so, so cool.
Like what a just pleasant radexperience.
Who would have thought that ayear and a half ago when I had
this weird idea, like, I thinkI'm going to start a podcast.
I was, I had no real, like, Andyou were the first person to say
yes, and so grateful for you,you helped me get this thing off
the ground.

(57:50):
But who would have known thatwe'd now be in this=position,
year later, you know, not onlyas, coaching client, but just as
like fucking friends and homies.
And, you know, I am 100 percentin your corner for the rest of
your life.
And I'm just super grateful foryou and super excited to see
what you're going to create overthis next, uh, you

SIPPY (58:08):
well thank you, I'm also fully in your corner, and I'm
excited to see what you do, andyeah, it's been a really cool
experience.
Experience, I'm really glad andgrateful that I, did end up
working with you as well,because like the first podcast
was like fun and awesome.
But now I'm like, I'm in adifferent, completely different

(58:31):
place now, which is awesome.
And it's like, cool to be ableto even share that.

Nik (58:36):
Yeah.

SIPPY (58:36):
Over here, because it's also doesn't really matter.
Like you said before, it doesn'tmatter like what level you're
at.
There's always work to do.
And I'm the perfect example ofthat.
You know, I was over here, I'mplaying shows and blah, blah,
blah.
But here I am, you know, a yearlater, having done that next
level that I needed to do andyeah, it feels fucking good and,
I'm glad it's all working outfor you.

(58:57):
Look at this.
what

Nik (58:58):
Yeah.

SIPPY (58:59):
is this now?

Nik (59:00):
Uh, this is like, I want to say 78 probably.

SIPPY (59:04):
Shit.

Nik (59:05):
78.
Yeah, we've been doing the damnthing.
Yeah, it's been cool.
Shout out to everyone that'sbeen listening, everyone that's
been following.
You know, there's someonelistening now, I'm sure, that
was like, I remember the firstepisode.
Some of you guys have beenlistening since the very first
episode.
Whether you've been listeningsince the first episode or you
just started listening, threeweeks ago.
I really appreciate you guys fortuning in and being a part

SIPPY (59:27):
I was going to say that you, uh,, you came to, for
anyone who didn't know, I tookNick to Lostlands with me this
year, it was kind of the end ofwhen I'd sort of finished our
little period of sessions and hecame to Lostlands and people
were, Starting to recognize youbecause they're like, Hey, I
know you from the podcast.

(59:47):
And I was, like,

Nik (59:48):
That was,

SIPPY (59:49):
a celebrity.
Okay.

Nik (59:51):
uh, yeah, that was my little 15 minutes of fame.
I totally was like,

SIPPY (59:55):
Yeah.

Nik (59:56):
what's up y'all?
Yeah, if you ever

SIPPY (59:57):
Like when you were backstage too, like artists were
flocking to you, like left,right and center.
I was like, do you know them?
Have you met them before?
You're like, no, just, you know,started getting into it.
And I was like, I love

Nik (01:00:09):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Thank you so much for invitingme out as well.
That was a really fun trip.
You g you crushed it.
You and you and smoke Lynn justtearing it up at lost Lands.
That was cool to experiencethat.
And, um, Yeah.
I look f we gotta do that againsometime.
Catch you at another big ragefest.
But

SIPPY (01:00:26):
For sure.

Nik (01:00:27):
sippy.
I love you and I'll see yousoon.

SIPPY (01:00:29):
much.
I love you too.
Thanks.