March 25, 2024 • 49 mins
In this thought-provoking episode, I’m joined by Paul Blanchard, founder of Whole Body Mindset. Paul shares his unique perspectives on healing, mindset, and the importance of genuine human connection in our fast-paced world.
Paul emphasizes that healing is an autonomic process and that our bodies innately know how to heal when given the right support. He introduces the concept of the "Whole Body Mindset," which involves three interconnected aspects: the thinker mind, the heart mind, and the gut mind, and explains how trauma, shame, and unhealthy attachments can hinder personal growth and healing.
Towards the end of the episode, Paul vulnerably shares his own experience with a severe autoimmune-like thyroid condition and how making difficult decisions to realign his life, along with an ancient Ayurvedic soup recipe, led to a remarkable recovery.
Throughout the conversation, Paul challenges listeners to consider alternative perspectives and approach healing and personal growth with curiosity and non-judgment, offering a holistic approach to understanding the interconnectedness of our physical, emotional, and spiritual well-being.
Paul's free Assessment for Thinker Mind Patterns can be found here: https://www.wholebodymindset.com/habitfinder
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Speaker 2 (00:07):
Welcome to the Heal and Stay Healed podcast, where
we talk about healing and, moreimportantly, staying healed from
chronic disease and otherailments and issues.
We'll cover all the crazythings about health and life the
good, the bad, the ugly and thehilarious.
My name is Kelly and I'm asurvivor and overcomer of severe
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autoimmune disease, and I can'twait to share with you what
I've learned so that you canheal and stay healed too.
Thanks for listening and enjoythe show.
Welcome back to another episodeof the Heal and Stay Healed
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with Kelly Bihini podcast.
Thank you so much for joiningme Today.
I have a special guest with meand he is Paul Blanchard.
Paul is the founder of WholeBody Mindset and is a deep
integration coach.
He has spent the better part ofthe last two decades studying,
researching, practicing andcoaching over 10,000 hours with
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thousands of clients in allaspects of the human experience.
Paul has built successfulbusinesses for himself and
clients in countless diverseentrepreneurial endeavors.
In the professional world, mostpeople know Paul as a business
coach, but those who haveengaged with him have discovered
so much more and that is agreat lead-in to this time of
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discovery with him.
Let's get going.
Welcome, paul, to the show.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Thank you, good to be here, kelly.
This is going to be awesome.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Well, I have been eagerly anticipating this
conversation and I am curious tosee what comes up in our
discussion today as we get going.
Can you tell us a little bitabout yourself and what it is
that you do in your service toothers?
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Sure, so I'll give you kind of the quick chronology
.
I've been a coach, a speaker, aconsultant in different ways,
shapes and forms for just abouttwo decades now.
I started my professionalcareer in my early 20s at a
credit repair law firm and thatwas short-lived.
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When I realized I didn't wantto work for somebody else and my
dad, who's been an entrepreneurall his life, I said what
should I do?
He said you should get intoreal estate.
So I joined a real estateinvestment group that
specialized in real estateeducation.
That led to coaching andconsulting people who wanted to
get into real estate, who wantedto leave their corporate
environment, and walking themthrough the mindset of that,
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because I've always beenintrigued by that world.
Then that led to 2008, cleaningmy clock and I landed in a
space that I actually kind ofmade fun of from stage as an
entrepreneur, and that washigher education.
Something in me was like youshould go back and finish your
degree because I quit my job andquit college at the same time.
And so I did, and it was morenot for the credential, it was
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more for the discipline offinishing something that I had
committed to, and so I did that.
That led to working for theuniversity that I attended.
That led to being asked to bethe director of a management
institute run by Jack Welch, theformer CEO of General Electric,
and I got to know him reallywell and we built an MBA program
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that became one of the top 25in the world.
And then we got that to a placewhere it was cruising and
sailing and doing awesome and Ifelt like there was probably
time for the next chapter.
And all of my dad just catchingup on life and told him I was
moving on to something different, wasn't quite sure what it
would be and he said, well,actually I'm looking for a
partner in my company, somebodythat I could trust, and I was
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like, oh, good luck with that.
And he campaigned for good fouror five weeks and I eventually
caved something about.
It, felt like it was animportant step, and so we moved
from DC back here to Utah andpartnered with him and then that
partnership came to an end inJuly of last year and I went on
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to just continue to grow andexpand my experiences there into
what is now a whole bodymindset where I do business,
executive and entrepreneurialcoaching, but with deep
integration.
I've found that there are justsome realities to our biology,
our neurology, some realities totrauma on a molecular level,
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shame and unhealthy attachmentson a biological level that make
the game very difficult of lifeand business and whatever else.
And I've said to my clients foryears that professional problems
are just personal problems indisguise.
I just didn't realize how deepthat goes, and so that's a lot
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of what I do to connect the dotsto relationships, businesses.
Growth is deep integration anda big part of deep integration
is creating space for whatyou're integrating and the way
you create space is healing.
So that's kind of what Ibelieve kind of led you and I to
this conversation.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
So yeah, absolutely Well.
Thanks for that recap.
It sounds like you've had a lotof adventures along the way,
for sure.
Yeah, yeah, healing.
Something that I tend to focuson is the physical healing, but
the more I travel along thispath of my own personal healing
journey, the more I have come tounderstand just how I would say
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equally important but I'mbeginning to think, even more
important it is to really take acold hard look at your
emotional and spiritual, ofcourse, as well as your mental
health throughout this journeyas well.
So I want to kind of leadinginto my first question for you,
focusing on those of us who haveexperienced chronic illness or
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autoimmune disease, like myself.
What I have found along the way,especially as I've started
talking to more and more peoplewho have experienced autoimmune
disease, is there's somecommonalities among us in
regards to our personality anddisposition.
We tend to be more anxious andstressed.
We probably weren't taught tohandle or process our emotions
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very well.
We may hold on to anger andresentment tightly, and we
typically carry the burden ofunaddressed trauma as well, and
as a result of all of this, wecan live our lives in a way
that's pretty steeped innegativity, and we carry a lot
of that negativity in ournegative emotions around with us
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and I firmly, firmly believethat these negative emotions
play a major role in what leadsto our disease onset and then in
subsequent flares.
So, all that to say, you andyour vast experience having to
talk to so many people over thecourse of your career, how would
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you go about helping someonewho says, yeah, all that sounds
like me, the negativity issue,all of those things sound like
me?
How would you point that personin the direction of growth and
healing?
Speaker 1 (07:36):
It's a good question.
It can be really difficult interms of pointing anyone in any
direction.
A healing journey, I believe,is borrowing a more clinical
term autonomic.
I mean it's more than automatic.
Healing happens.
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We don't have to tell ourselvesto heal.
You don't have to sit there andhave an intention for your
blood to coagulate and scab overand scar it's.
I believe it's very similar withour internal process.
Just like breathing isautonomic, our digestive system
is autonomic.
It's part of the kind ofpre-wiring of us.
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I believe healing is the samething, but there are things we
can do that can make it hard tobreathe.
There are things we can do thatcan make it hard to digest and
there are things we can do thatmake it hard for the autonomic
process of healing to occur.
And so when someone comes, Ithink letting them know that you
don't have to learn how to heal, if anything, in some regards
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you're going to want to learnhow to get out of the way so
that your body can do its thing,and that's a certain part of
you to get out of the waybecause obviously you are your
body.
That's one of the aspects ofyou.
The other, I would say, in termsof a direction is to start
learning how to abandondirection, learning that
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autonomic process happens in anon-dual state.
It is when we can reach anenvironment that can be as
non-dual as possible, meaningthere is no right, no wrong, no
good, no bad.
There's just curiosity, witnesscontainer, because when we
start trying to tell what needsto be healed, why it needs to be
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healed, when we start trying totell what needs to be healed,
what is right or wrong or go tobad or how to fix it, it often
makes it worse.
Or we get an addictive drug ofrelief and assume like, oh,
we're healed because we gotrelief, when in a lot of cases
it's because it felt like ourtrauma or our pain or our shame
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or our unhealthy attachments waspunching us in the stomach and
we did something that alteredour state.
And now it's just flicking usin the ear and we're like, oh,
I'm healed.
It's like, no, we just shiftedit temporarily, it's going to
come back.
And the body tends tocommunicate with us with a
feather or a hammer and it's upto us in certain regards and
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that's up to us in terms ofcollective decisions and
momentary decisions, which onewe'd like to listen to.
You talked about the physicalelement, and that's an
interesting way to put it,because the softer stuff is just
as physical as the autoimmunityand the stress-based pathology,
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cortisol pathology and so manyother things.
That's all physical.
It's just interesting to me.
We usually separate it as likespiritual and physical, and in a
lot of cases the spiritual isjust a more sensitive physical.
That's really what it is Like.
Quantum is like.
The scientific word forspiritual, spiritual energy is
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quantum energy, but it's actualenergy, it's actual elements, if
you will.
And so, yeah, those would bethe two things of healing's
autonomic.
You don't need to learn how toheal.
Your body already knows how todo it.
You're just going to want toget connected with your body and
be able to start dancing withall the parts of you so that it
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can do what it wants to doanyway.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
I couldn't agree more .
That's a big, big belief that Ihave is that our bodies
innately know how to heal.
They want to heal.
We just have to listen to ourbodies, pay attention and then
give ourselves the support thatis needed in order to foster
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that innate healing.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
Can I launch something into this space we're
in right now, because a lot ofyour audience, I would imagine,
is drawn to you because of theirautoimmune or their terminal
challenges or whatever it isthat they're going through in
their physical health.
Something I've found to bereally helpful for someone to
shift their perspective around,whether it's rheumatoid
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arthritis, hashimoto's, some ofthese big Crohn's, whatever
these bigger commonly known onesand many others is what if?
What if?
Which I find to be a disarmingway to get to the brain's logic
center without locking it downto be like, nope, that doesn't
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work.
What if?
There's nothing wrong with you.
Your guidance system just got alittle louder.
I believe that health in itspurest form is simply alignment
spiritually, mentally,emotionally, cosmically,
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whatever.
Whatever your cup of tea is andhow you process this
ever-expanding universe, it'salignment.
I remember talking to a clientonce who has Hashimoto's and her
biggest struggle was theexacerbation of the struggle,
because she saw it as somethingthat was wrong with her.
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She was broken.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Yeah, unfortunately that's a pretty common feeling
with autoimmune disease.
Our bodies are quote betrayingus and we may find ourselves
believing that message that weare broken.
Hey friends, it's Kelly here.
With a quick interruption, I amlooking for those of you out
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there who are willing to shareyour personal health story, your
battle with autoimmune diseaseor another chronic illness, and
how you have overcome or are inthe process of overcoming your
particular disease throughnatural methods.
I would love to talk to you,get to know you and maybe even
have you as a guest on the show.
If you are interested inhelping to inspire and heal
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others by sharing your story, orif you just want to chat,
please reach out to me at infoat kellybhainycom.
That's K-E-L-L-Y-B-H-A-N-E-Y.
Now back to the show.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
And when we do this, suddenly we realize, okay, our
body goes hey, kelly, thatdoesn't allow you to be in
alignment, but that makes itreally tough for you to hear
your soul, or that makes ittough for you to dial in your
intuition, or that makes ittough for you to express your
gifts.
And then it got a little louder.
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And it got a little louder andthen it got really loud.
We went to the doctor and thedoctor said oh, you've got this
autoimmune disorder.
And it's like what if that wasalways the programming?
It just wasn't as loud and weactually brought in a little bit
with all deference to howunbelievably challenging,
unbelievably wearing down thoseexperiences can be, and we just
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tried on a little bit each dayor a little bit each week.
What if I just got to go?
Okay, this is just my alarmsystem and it's just gotten a
lot louder, so I can hear itthat my body's saying eat this
way and you will feel better.
Eat this way and you will bebetter.
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Eat this way and you'll beguided better.
Don't work out as hard andyou'll actually feel better.
Don't do this as much.
And we just see like I can't dowhat I used to do.
No, it's just the signals are alot louder.
I don't know, for whatever it'sworth, I just think that that
doesn't make it all better.
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That non-duality we were talkingabout actually neutralizes the
anchoring of positive andnegative.
I think that in a healed placethere is no positive or negative
, there's productive, andproductive has both.
Even optimism is not theexclusion of negativity.
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It is simply the bias to makingthe most of whatever is here,
which in every case has someelement of negativity.
The research of trying to bemore positive in life is
actually detrimental if yourfocus is being positive, because
then you're just telling thenegative to be quiet because you
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decided it was negative.
But what if the negative wasn'tbad?
It was a signal trying to say,hey, and we've decided I'm
depressed.
What if that was just a signalsaying, kelly, it's really hard
to keep being this version ofyourself and yes, that can get
clinical, and yes, havingcertain tools and deeper
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interventions for that, tons ofsensitivity to that.
But I'm just saying if we canhave a brain that one little
thing goes wrong and we canimmediately feel like
everything's going wrong, likeall the dominoes are falling,
why couldn't we do it the otherdirection, where we could just
shift our mindset a little bit,see something just a little bit
better and let the dominoes fallthe other direction and feel
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like so many things are goingright, so many things are going
better.
I think that's part of thepower of exercising the other
side of those muscles and justgetting to see what's wrong with
me not as what's wrong with me,as just what is guiding me has
gotten louder.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
That's really powerful, and I've thought about
it in different terms of justbreaking it down to something
very simple.
Our body is always trying totalk to us, our body is always
trying to get our attention andwe live in a society that is so
loud and so go, go, go, and soyou must do this, you must do
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that, you have to be this.
Be that, when you say being outof alignment, that really
resonates with me, because Ithink the overwhelming majority
now is out of alignment, justthe way that our society has
gotten a little out of controlon a lot of levels.
And when you look at thestatistics autoimmune disease
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skyrocketed over the past twodecades cancer, diabetes, all of
these lifestyle illnesses.
And then looking at mentalhealth diagnosis, as we said,
about depression, anxiety, adhd,all of these other issues, and
it's I think we have to stop andlook at our culture and society
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as a whole and take a step backand be like you know what.
Let's just assess things, let'ssee where we are.
Technology is a wonderful thing, but it's also brought a lot of
not so wonderful things upon us.
We don't know what it is torest anymore.
We never get a break from workor social media, either one and
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again.
When you say out of alignment,this is what's coming to my mind
, like we, just as a whole, areout of alignment right now.
Thus, we should not besurprised by the skyrocketing
statistics of what manifestsinto disease.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
Yeah, I think there's a couple of things to consider
there and again, these are notclaims.
These are not saying this iswhat it is.
I think one part that isinteresting to consider is how
much of these statistics aregoing up because of more
diagnosis, not because of theirshowing up now.
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More tools, more medical access, more it is better to be a poor
person today than it was to bea poor person 30, 40, 50 years
ago.
It still sucks that we have somany resources, creating a
massive spread and imbalance inthe world.
I'm all for that conversation,but I'm just saying that, in
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terms of access to finding outyou have cancer is way up.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
Then it would have been 30, 40, 50 years ago.
So that's interesting as onepart of it.
I think that's something toconsider, not as the total
explanation that, oh, like thereisn't things happening that's
making kids more autistic.
It's just that we have morenames for more diagnoses.
No, I'm just saying let's atleast let that be on the table
and let's consider, you know,like I'm not here gonna, I'm not
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gonna argue with someone likeis climate change real?
Like I'm pretty sure like justthe realization that there are
seasons demonstrates that ourclimate changes.
Is there some really bad thingshappening to the earth?
I think there's a lot ofevidence that there is, and I
think there should also be onthe table that we actually have
no fricking idea what to doabout it.
And there's a lot of reallyinteresting ideas that claim to
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because they were allowing tolet all of this be on the table
and go through it with civilityand discussion, without contempt
and having to pick a side, andso one piece is that I think
okay, well, let's, let's take alook at that side of the
equation, and there's 360degrees to this, and that's just
a couple of them.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
Yeah, that was a good example with the reasons for
the increase in disease, and Iappreciate the reminder for not
necessarily assuming well, it'sall obviously because of this.
That's a good point that therecan be multiple explanations or
factors that play some degree ofa role in it, and I agree with
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you that we need to be talkingabout these things, all of them.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
And we need to be talking about how to talk about
it better.
Yes, you know.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
Yeah, because right now it feels like, well, it's
easier just to not talk about itand let these things happen and
just accept that they'rehappening and put our heads in
the sand.
And obviously that isn't goingto benefit anyone.
No one's going to grow fromthat.
So again, I'm generalizing whenit feels like that's what we
are doing as a society at largeand that I don't know which is
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more unhealthy in the long run.
Is it more unhealthy to claimto a side and a position so
tight, or is it more unhealthyto bury your head in the sand?
I don't think either one ofthem is great.
I think the point that you madeis really important for us to
be thinking about, and thatpoint is that we should be
thinking about these things andlooking at them from all sides
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and, of course, now we'rebleeding into a lot of different
categories.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
Yes, yes, yes, right, more options to see things.
That polarity is part of what's, I believe, contributing to the
additional autoimmunity andunhealth and dis-ease and all
that stuff is that those feellike the only two options cling
harder or bury your head in thesand Well, said Like that and
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that's the violence that weexperience inside ourselves,
that we have to pick sides andjump to one or the other and
then we hold on to one so tightand then life rips us into the
other one and now we do the samething and hold on to that one
so tight, and I think that istaking such a toll on our system
alone.
People didn't realize that'sthe reason for the non-dual that
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I was talking about, becausenon-dual is in between those two
, where you can be calm andalert.
Most people can't embody bothof those at the same time.
Some alert, it's got to behyperarousal.
If I'm calm, it's got to behypoarousal.
Our nervous systems are losingthe middle ground and that's
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where healing can occur.
That's where connection canoccur.
The things we're craving ashuman beings occur in that
middle ground.
So I think that's a big part ofthe healing we're looking for
as a society is being able toslow down enough to rebuild that
middle ground.
You can see these I forget thephilosopher that calls them
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epics, but you've got theseepics in life.
We had a foraging epic.
That was our early society,where we foraged for things.
We could only eat andexperience whatever we could go
gather, whatever we could kill.
Then we had the agriculturalepic, and the agricultural epic
allowed us to be able to plantand create.
That was amazing.
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Then we had the agrarian epic,where we could plow and we could
leverage things to create.
That was incredible.
Then we had the industrial epic.
Right now we are in thetechnological epic and it's
moving real fast, I think.
I think it's at leastinteresting to consider.
The next epic is consciousness.
It's also the only one that Ican see emerging that doesn't
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end with all of us being blownto smithereens or totally
wrecking our planet.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
Yeah, let's hope it's consciousness.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
Right.
Well, in the technological epicthe currency has been data.
In the consciousness epic, Ibelieve the currency will be
connection.
And something that I believekicked it in a high gear was
COVID, that isolation.
It woke us up to how starvedfor genuine human connection we
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are.
We told ourselves stories it'sbecause we're wearing masks and
we're alone.
I think that was a contributingfactor, but a contributing
factor to exposing the lack ofgenuine connection that we had
when we didn't have some of ourcoping mechanisms available,
that that pandemic restrictedfor quite some time.
Like connection is as healingas any medicine that's ever been
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invented.
Not that I'm going to tellsomeone going through
chemotherapy just focus onconnection, You'll be fine.
I'm not saying that.
I'm just saying as anundercurrent of the health of
human life.
We're built neurologically,biologically, for significant
connection.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
Yeah, I think of the blue zones.
If you're familiar with DanButner's work, who talks about
the, I forget how many.
There are cultures all over theworld that have the people that
in this modern day live thelongest, like centenarians.
They live to at least 100.
And that's one of the biggestthings that these cultures have
in common is their community,their sense of community and how
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important that is to them, andthat, to me, speaks volumes,
because if you're going to liveto 100 and still be agile,
healthy and strong, I want toknow what you're doing and a lot
of them.
It seems like it's mostly aboutthe community, but that just
always is a part of their lifeand that doesn't diminish as
they get older or just becausethey get older, and that tends
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to become more important theolder they get.
So that's really interestingand, to link it back to COVID, I
agree with you completely thatthat was an awakening on so many
levels, for so many differentthings, and if we're looking at
the silver linings, that'scertainly one of them that now
we've all collectively, most ofus for the first time in our
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lives, have experienced whatit's like to feel isolated, and
we don't like that feeling.
I certainly didn't.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
But could I add, to notice our isolation at the
level like when we were justtalking about auto immunity
being not something new.
That came on.
Just your body got louder.
I think the isolation we feltduring COVID we have been
feeling for quite some time asthis world has gotten faster and
faster and over and overstimulated.
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It exposed that.
It made it louder.
You know, one of my favoritebooks on marketing called
positioning.
One of the opening lines is forthe first time ever, we're
living in an over communicatedsociety.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
That book was written in 1981.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
It goes on to state how many pages of news, how many
pounds of newspaper are printedevery year, how many pages of
books are printed every year,and their astounding numbers.
And that was 43 years ago.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
So that's?
I don't believe that's theenemy.
I don't think it serves to go.
Yes, technology is the threat.
Social media is the threat.
You know, I've got threedaughters 16, 13 and 10.
They have their challenges andit could be so easy to go.
It's because of social media?
Yeah, I don't believe it is.
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I believe social media isexposing the real challenges and
, in some cases, really fast.
I literally was just having thisconversation with my wife the
other day because we had a toughconversation with my 16 year
old.
She's experiencing some reallydifficult things.
I felt the instinct she shouldget off social media and then we
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got to talk and I was like,okay, I think there could
certainly be some considerationsfor moderating that.
However, what we ultimatelywant is her to learn to regulate
, because there is nothing shewill experience on social media
that she won't experience off ofsocial media throughout her
life.
There is something to be saidwith how fast it comes at our
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kids and stuff, and I'm all formoderation to an extent, but not
as a substitute for youlearning how and being able to
teach your children how toregulate their nervous system,
because otherwise then they gotoff of social media because of a
restriction, and as soon asthey're in college or they're in
a place where they no longerhave the restriction, some kind
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of rebound, whether into socialmedia or something worse.
You could say drug substances,alcohol, whatever.
It just shows time and timeagain.
That's what happens whensomething that we think is
helpful is delivered to thechild as a restriction.
It's like squeezing a stressball.
It just expands somewhere elselater on or in that moment.
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But when we go, wow, okay, whatif social media?
What if gluten?
What if whatever?
What wasn't the enemy, it wassomething we're going to want to
notice.
What is it exposing that I canwork through?
Speaker 2 (30:36):
We're talking about a lot of alternative perspectives
and different ways of lookingat things, and I think so much
about healing in all forms Justcomes down to mindset.
And speaking of mindset, I dowant to ask you to share your
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personal understanding ofmindset, because I know you view
it as involving three parts,and I think it's really powerful
.
Can you share with us aboutthat?
Speaker 1 (31:10):
Yeah, I spent a lot of years as a coach believing
that mindset was the neocortex.
It was our thoughts, it was ourthinking patterns and all these
different things.
And I realized through a lot ofdeep personal work, a lot of
amazing mentors and programs andexperiences that I've had over
the years, that there's actuallya lot more to it, so a whole
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body mindset.
I believe that mindset is a setof minds, like a tool set or a
furniture set, and primarilythere are three of them.
There is the thinker mind, thehead mind, which is the
neocortex.
Those are our thoughts, that'sour conscious mind and our
subconscious mind.
And then we've got our heartmind, which is the mammalian
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aspect of us and our biology.
And the thinker mind is basedin thoughts.
That's all it is.
It's just ideas, it's justconcepts, it's not anything
tangible and real in terms ofwhat it produces and where it
operates, which is why it lovesto be everywhere, but right here
and now, because it can be.
It can be everywhere, but righthere and now.
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The heart mind, the mammalianaspect, is only present and
that's going to be the emotions,the zest, the passion right.
Then we've got our gut mind.
That's the reptilian aspect ofour biology and that's the
sensations, that's the survivalpart of us, the baseline that
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you were talking about.
If you want to remodel yourhouse but it's on fire, you
should probably take care of thefire first, unless you want to
total makeover then just let itburn.
But in most cases we'll want toput it out first.
And that's the gut mind,interestingly enough, in embryo.
If we want to talk aboutsequence, when we were in the
womb the heart was formed firstand it actually borrowed the
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tissue to the brain and the gutto be formed and created.
So you could say the heart isthe mother of the mindset.
But they're all three veryimportant to dance with and
alignment.
They all speak a little bitdifferent language.
There is some segmentation inthat the heart mind and the gut
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mind are totally present and themind is usually totally not.
But in our society, one thingthat I'm pretty confident about
is that the mind is overreaching, not because it's malicious I
believe each one of these have anatural benevolence to them but
because we started getting moredomesticated as human beings
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and in doing so we startedgetting more disconnected from
the earth and from nature andfrom grounding and different
things, where, even if yourgrandpa was an asshole, at least
he worked the land and woke upwith the sun and went to bed
with the sun and that regulatedquite a bit without him even
realizing it.
And now very few of us havework or jobs or labor or
anything like that.
We're up before the sun is upand we're working out in some
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fluorescent lit gym withoverstimulating music and we're
staying up late because wecouldn't get off Tik Tok or that
Netflix thing.
And I'm not here to demonizeany of that.
I have been doing this foryears and I binged suits in like
four weeks.
I was a laborer with suits onNetflix, but when it got me, oh
it got me.
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But I'm not here claiming somealtruistic superiority.
But, with that said, all threeof these are really important to
understand and the brain is theone overreaching because it's
trying to do the heart's job andthe gut's job.
It's trying to tell you how tomanage your emotions and it's
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labeling them and limiting ourunderstanding of them.
It's trying to tell your gutwhat is and isn't a threat and
it creates a lot of mixedsignals, which is why today, a
child has a similar biologicalresponse to a certain Facebook
comment.
That would have required a lionto be in front of you gnarling
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its teeth, like similar survivalresponse, similar fight or
flight response from that andthat comes from the overreaching
which then createsovercompensation and the heart
brain then creates oversensitivity to getting hijacked
by the gut brain.
Because, at the end of the day,the gut brain has the master
switch At the base levelsurvival.
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The gut brain gets hijacked,heart brain gets locked out,
head brain gets round out,limited, very much so.
Or sometimes the heart brainjust blows up and everything
feels huge and massive and crazy.
But the gut mind can lock youdown.
It gets triggered.
Ooh, it is.
There's not a lot you can doother than recognize there's an
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invisible fire right now,because that's the thing when
most of us get hijacked we don'trealize we're hijacked, we
can't see the flames, but if youknow how to look for the smoke,
you can at least go.
I need to take a breath, I needto resource, I need to slow
down, I need to step away fromthis situation.
Whatever, you need to be ableto regulate so that you can then
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get back to working through allthree, and it is the alignment
of all three.
If you are theological,religious, it's the alignment
that connects you to God.
If you're more spiritual, it'sthat alignment that connects you
to the universe, to source,whatever it is.
If you're absurdist andatheistic or agnostic, it's that
alignment that connects you toself and all of the above, and
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allowing all three to dance forthem, to not create a hierarchy,
is super important.
And so I worked a lot in theneocortex and you can manipulate
the thermostat with theneocortex for a little while.
If the thermostat set at 70degrees, you can use the
neocortex to cool off the roomwith a fan or heat up the room
(37:10):
with a fire in the fireplace.
But eventually the thermostatgets to a certain point that it
kicks on countermeasures, thatoutlasts the fan, that outlasts
the fire in the fireplace andbring it back to 70 degrees, and
that thermostat gets set in thegut brain first, then it gets
expressed in the heart brain andthen we can explore it and
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support it and find more tobring into who we already are
with the headbrain.
And so that total mindset, thatwhole body mindset, is the only
thing I've found that actuallycreates transformation.
And short of that, I realizedand not wasting my time it's
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easy to go with what you knownow and be like, oh, if I'd only
known that then that was partof the progression.
So I don't think I was doinganything destructive or bad
because it wasn't the correctway.
It was correct way for where Iwas operating and the people I
was helping.
It was helping them get alittle further along too.
But now, realizing not but, andrealizing now that changing
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thermostats, like manipulatingthe thermostat, is not
sustainable it's exhausting andlearning what the primary
hijacks of this dancingalignment is, which primarily
are trauma, which blocks up thegut brain, shame, which blocks
up the headbrain, and unhealthyattachments, which blocks up the
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heartbrain.
You've got the gut brainblocked by trauma that locks you
out of you.
You've got unhealthyattachments that lock you over
the heartbrain, locks you out ofyour relationships, and you've
got shame that locks you out ofa healthy relationship with the
thinker brain that locks you outof building your businesses and
your dreams and whatever elseit is.
And so being able to build fromthat base level up is
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phenomenal, it's fantastic andit's sustainable.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
Yeah, that's really beautiful.
Thank you for sharing that, andthank you for all of the
powerful commentary today.
There's so much here that Iknow I'm going to be thinking
about for quite a while Beforewe wrap up.
I know that you recentlyexperienced something in your
(39:23):
life personally that reallychallenged you, and it may
encapsulate a lot of what we'vetalked about here today.
If you're willing to shareabout that with us.
Speaker 1 (39:37):
I had an opportunity I guess we'll say last year to
have a autoimmune experience.
It didn't turn out to be one,but I got a baptism by very
painful fire.
(39:58):
For about three months theythought it was Graves' disease.
Speaker 2 (40:05):
It turned out not to be.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
But the only difference between what I
experienced and what someone whomay have had a manifestation of
their Graves' disease wouldhave experienced is mine seems
to be better now, but everythingthat I read about sounded like
(40:28):
it.
My doctor even tested for itand my endocrinologist that I
met with eventually was like hey, I don't know if you have
Graves.
So I was misdiagnosed becauseyour doctor tested for the wrong
antibodies and she said it'snot dangerous that she did that.
(40:48):
It's very common because theyhave very similar acronyms, very
similar letters oh geez.
Not being a specialist, it canbe difficult to remember which
or which, but it wasunequivocally the most
horrendous experience of my life, going more than 30 days with
(41:09):
about an hour to an hour and ahalf of sleep every night, and
then the rest of the day, no nap, no tiredness.
In terms of my nervous system,it was so overcooked and yet
continued.
To find a way to keep cookingwas wild.
So my the only thing they cannarrow it down to is a episode
(41:34):
of thyroiditis which is likegoing to the doctor for strep
and they're like it's not strep,it's viral.
What does that mean?
We don't know, but it's up in afew weeks, you know, kind of a
thing.
So they said we have sometheories but it's not going to
matter because it's not an autoimmune disorder.
But like all the manifestationswere were such, it was a really
(41:56):
unique opportunity to kind ofexperience a massive explosion
of an auto immune like responsein my body and to walk through
that.
It felt like years, or thosethree months and in the
aftermath has given me anopportunity to have
(42:19):
conversations like this withclients who have Hashimoto's or
clients who deal with rheumatoidarthritis and have an added
empathy and perspective.
I'm a big fan, my one of myfavorite modern day philosophers
, ken Wilbur, and he talks abouthow anything we want to
consider of the trans personalnature, which might be the
(42:42):
mystical nature of life, the,the meaning making of like, oh,
this happened because of, or youknow kind of a thing, law of
attraction all the way to youknow what someone might call
witchcraft or whatever.
I love his proposal that he heas much of a brilliant doctorate
(43:05):
level acolytion he is, he won'tdeny that.
He won't say that stuff is nottrue.
The spiritual nature of life,the meaning making of life, the
oh yeah, that that accidenthappened so that this could
happen, so that I could meet soand so that led to this, you
know, versus, it was acoincidence all the way to you
(43:27):
know more paranormal stuff orwhatever of like my ancestors
came to me and taught me thesethings.
He doesn't dismiss any of that.
It says it's super importantthat when we go into the trans
personal, that we consider it asif I'm going to think about
this as if it was real, as if itwas true, because it gives you
(43:49):
an opportunity to explore thatwithout becoming attached to it,
and so there's a part of methat that does seriously
consider, as if that happenedfor me, to be able to experience
things that I wouldn't havebeen able to experience and to
understand things that Iwouldn't have been able to
(44:10):
understand otherwise, aroundauto immunity and the impacts,
the pathology of stress andcortisol, and if we got a little
bit deeper, being out ofalignment with your soul, cause
I I continuing the as a filter.
When I came out of this ordeal,at the end of those three and a
(44:30):
half months or whatever it was,something didn't fit anymore in
my life and I think it wouldprobably be more apropos to say
something.
I'd noticed something thatwasn't fitting and it probably
wasn't, hadn't been fitting fora while and it was where I was
at professionally.
I'd been in a partnership withmy dad for about nine years at
(44:51):
that point a little over nineyears and the combination of
deciding to end that partnership, a ancient Ayurvedic soup
recipe that someone had told meabout years prior and just
popped back in my head towardsthe end of this ordeal.
I had gone from hypo or hyperto hypo, and so, between this
(45:15):
soup, making some difficultdecisions about my professional
life and about my boundaries,and different things, it was two
weeks, kelly, two weeks.
I had had labs done, hypo stillin rough water, trying to get
back to a youth thyroid, tryingto get back to a healthy
(45:38):
homeostasis, and I made somesignificant decisions about the
alignment of my life.
And this, this soup recipe thatwas, you know, that was passed
down from the lineage ofBuddha's physician like it's
wild.
And I got labs on two weekslater and my thyroid was perfect
and my endocrinologist was onthe floor like yeah, yeah.
(46:04):
And I'm sitting there going,okay, that's cool and I could
see a lot of corny places.
I could go with that.
I could see a lot of annoyingplaces and I'm going to go there
too with that as if filter.
I'm not going to stand up andsay it was the fact that I chose
to end this partnership.
That just wasn't an alignment.
It wasn't bad.
(46:24):
I didn't get a no, don't stayin business with your dad.
It was.
If you really want what you'reclaiming to want, you may want
to take this off ramp.
Speaker 2 (46:36):
Mm-hmm.
Wow, that's quite a powerfulstory and it's fascinating to
hear you look back on it andhear what you've been able to
take away from it and whatyou've gained from it.
I really appreciate yourvulnerability and openness in
being willing to share thatstory.
(46:57):
That's really inspiring, mm-hmm.
Well, thank you.
This has all been so great.
My goal with this podcast isalways to leave people with
takeaways and things to thinkabout or perhaps consider
differently, and you certainlydid that for me today, with many
new perspectives to look at,and I imagine others listening
(47:19):
feel likewise.
So I really appreciate youbeing here and giving us your
time.
Speaker 1 (47:24):
My pleasure and thank you for creating such a fun
space to be able to explore thisstuff.
I've found that that has a lotless to do with just me and more
to do with the space that youallow and what you allow me to
see and feel, what I can see andfeel from you, and that
collaboration, that dance, andyou've been fun to dance with.
(47:45):
So thank you.
Speaker 2 (47:48):
Well, friends, I hope you enjoyed this episode with
Paul Blanchard.
If you are interested inlearning more about him and his
work, check out his website atwholebodymindsetcom slash
habitfinder.
There you'll find a free toolthat measures the patterns of
your thinker mind.
I did this myself and wasnothing short of blown away by
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what the results told me aboutmyself, so highly recommend.
Thank you so much for listening.
If you received value from thisepisode today, I humbly request
your support by subscribing,downloading, rating and
reviewing the show, and pleaseshare this episode with anyone
who you think may find value init as well.
I am truly honored to walkalongside of you as we heal and
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stay healed together.
Welcome to the Heal and Stay Healed podcast, where
we talk about healing and, moreimportantly, staying healed from
chronic disease and otherailments and issues.
We'll cover all the crazythings about health and life the
good, the bad, the ugly and thehilarious.
My name is Kelly and I'm asurvivor and overcomer of severe
(00:31):
autoimmune disease, and I can'twait to share with you what
I've learned so that you canheal and stay healed too.
Thanks for listening and enjoythe show.
Welcome back to another episodeof the Heal and Stay Healed
(00:55):
with Kelly Bihini podcast.
Thank you so much for joiningme Today.
I have a special guest with meand he is Paul Blanchard.
Paul is the founder of WholeBody Mindset and is a deep
integration coach.
He has spent the better part ofthe last two decades studying,
researching, practicing andcoaching over 10,000 hours with
(01:18):
thousands of clients in allaspects of the human experience.
Paul has built successfulbusinesses for himself and
clients in countless diverseentrepreneurial endeavors.
In the professional world, mostpeople know Paul as a business
coach, but those who haveengaged with him have discovered
so much more and that is agreat lead-in to this time of
(01:42):
discovery with him.
Let's get going.
Welcome, paul, to the show.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Thank you, good to be here, kelly.
This is going to be awesome.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Well, I have been eagerly anticipating this
conversation and I am curious tosee what comes up in our
discussion today as we get going.
Can you tell us a little bitabout yourself and what it is
that you do in your service toothers?
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Sure, so I'll give you kind of the quick chronology
.
I've been a coach, a speaker, aconsultant in different ways,
shapes and forms for just abouttwo decades now.
I started my professionalcareer in my early 20s at a
credit repair law firm and thatwas short-lived.
(02:29):
When I realized I didn't wantto work for somebody else and my
dad, who's been an entrepreneurall his life, I said what
should I do?
He said you should get intoreal estate.
So I joined a real estateinvestment group that
specialized in real estateeducation.
That led to coaching andconsulting people who wanted to
get into real estate, who wantedto leave their corporate
environment, and walking themthrough the mindset of that,
(02:51):
because I've always beenintrigued by that world.
Then that led to 2008, cleaningmy clock and I landed in a
space that I actually kind ofmade fun of from stage as an
entrepreneur, and that washigher education.
Something in me was like youshould go back and finish your
degree because I quit my job andquit college at the same time.
And so I did, and it was morenot for the credential, it was
(03:14):
more for the discipline offinishing something that I had
committed to, and so I did that.
That led to working for theuniversity that I attended.
That led to being asked to bethe director of a management
institute run by Jack Welch, theformer CEO of General Electric,
and I got to know him reallywell and we built an MBA program
(03:36):
that became one of the top 25in the world.
And then we got that to a placewhere it was cruising and
sailing and doing awesome and Ifelt like there was probably
time for the next chapter.
And all of my dad just catchingup on life and told him I was
moving on to something different, wasn't quite sure what it
would be and he said, well,actually I'm looking for a
partner in my company, somebodythat I could trust, and I was
(04:02):
like, oh, good luck with that.
And he campaigned for good fouror five weeks and I eventually
caved something about.
It, felt like it was animportant step, and so we moved
from DC back here to Utah andpartnered with him and then that
partnership came to an end inJuly of last year and I went on
(04:23):
to just continue to grow andexpand my experiences there into
what is now a whole bodymindset where I do business,
executive and entrepreneurialcoaching, but with deep
integration.
I've found that there are justsome realities to our biology,
our neurology, some realities totrauma on a molecular level,
(04:44):
shame and unhealthy attachmentson a biological level that make
the game very difficult of lifeand business and whatever else.
And I've said to my clients foryears that professional problems
are just personal problems indisguise.
I just didn't realize how deepthat goes, and so that's a lot
(05:04):
of what I do to connect the dotsto relationships, businesses.
Growth is deep integration anda big part of deep integration
is creating space for whatyou're integrating and the way
you create space is healing.
So that's kind of what Ibelieve kind of led you and I to
this conversation.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
So yeah, absolutely Well.
Thanks for that recap.
It sounds like you've had a lotof adventures along the way,
for sure.
Yeah, yeah, healing.
Something that I tend to focuson is the physical healing, but
the more I travel along thispath of my own personal healing
journey, the more I have come tounderstand just how I would say
(05:47):
equally important but I'mbeginning to think, even more
important it is to really take acold hard look at your
emotional and spiritual, ofcourse, as well as your mental
health throughout this journeyas well.
So I want to kind of leadinginto my first question for you,
focusing on those of us who haveexperienced chronic illness or
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autoimmune disease, like myself.
What I have found along the way,especially as I've started
talking to more and more peoplewho have experienced autoimmune
disease, is there's somecommonalities among us in
regards to our personality anddisposition.
We tend to be more anxious andstressed.
We probably weren't taught tohandle or process our emotions
(06:36):
very well.
We may hold on to anger andresentment tightly, and we
typically carry the burden ofunaddressed trauma as well, and
as a result of all of this, wecan live our lives in a way
that's pretty steeped innegativity, and we carry a lot
of that negativity in ournegative emotions around with us
(07:00):
and I firmly, firmly believethat these negative emotions
play a major role in what leadsto our disease onset and then in
subsequent flares.
So, all that to say, you andyour vast experience having to
talk to so many people over thecourse of your career, how would
(07:21):
you go about helping someonewho says, yeah, all that sounds
like me, the negativity issue,all of those things sound like
me?
How would you point that personin the direction of growth and
healing?
Speaker 1 (07:36):
It's a good question.
It can be really difficult interms of pointing anyone in any
direction.
A healing journey, I believe,is borrowing a more clinical
term autonomic.
I mean it's more than automatic.
Healing happens.
(07:57):
We don't have to tell ourselvesto heal.
You don't have to sit there andhave an intention for your
blood to coagulate and scab overand scar it's.
I believe it's very similar withour internal process.
Just like breathing isautonomic, our digestive system
is autonomic.
It's part of the kind ofpre-wiring of us.
(08:19):
I believe healing is the samething, but there are things we
can do that can make it hard tobreathe.
There are things we can do thatcan make it hard to digest and
there are things we can do thatmake it hard for the autonomic
process of healing to occur.
And so when someone comes, Ithink letting them know that you
don't have to learn how to heal, if anything, in some regards
(08:41):
you're going to want to learnhow to get out of the way so
that your body can do its thing,and that's a certain part of
you to get out of the waybecause obviously you are your
body.
That's one of the aspects ofyou.
The other, I would say, in termsof a direction is to start
learning how to abandondirection, learning that
(09:04):
autonomic process happens in anon-dual state.
It is when we can reach anenvironment that can be as
non-dual as possible, meaningthere is no right, no wrong, no
good, no bad.
There's just curiosity, witnesscontainer, because when we
start trying to tell what needsto be healed, why it needs to be
(09:27):
healed, when we start trying totell what needs to be healed,
what is right or wrong or go tobad or how to fix it, it often
makes it worse.
Or we get an addictive drug ofrelief and assume like, oh,
we're healed because we gotrelief, when in a lot of cases
it's because it felt like ourtrauma or our pain or our shame
(09:51):
or our unhealthy attachments waspunching us in the stomach and
we did something that alteredour state.
And now it's just flicking usin the ear and we're like, oh,
I'm healed.
It's like, no, we just shiftedit temporarily, it's going to
come back.
And the body tends tocommunicate with us with a
feather or a hammer and it's upto us in certain regards and
(10:14):
that's up to us in terms ofcollective decisions and
momentary decisions, which onewe'd like to listen to.
You talked about the physicalelement, and that's an
interesting way to put it,because the softer stuff is just
as physical as the autoimmunityand the stress-based pathology,
(10:41):
cortisol pathology and so manyother things.
That's all physical.
It's just interesting to me.
We usually separate it as likespiritual and physical, and in a
lot of cases the spiritual isjust a more sensitive physical.
That's really what it is Like.
Quantum is like.
The scientific word forspiritual, spiritual energy is
(11:02):
quantum energy, but it's actualenergy, it's actual elements, if
you will.
And so, yeah, those would bethe two things of healing's
autonomic.
You don't need to learn how toheal.
Your body already knows how todo it.
You're just going to want toget connected with your body and
be able to start dancing withall the parts of you so that it
(11:25):
can do what it wants to doanyway.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
I couldn't agree more .
That's a big, big belief that Ihave is that our bodies
innately know how to heal.
They want to heal.
We just have to listen to ourbodies, pay attention and then
give ourselves the support thatis needed in order to foster
(11:51):
that innate healing.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
Can I launch something into this space we're
in right now, because a lot ofyour audience, I would imagine,
is drawn to you because of theirautoimmune or their terminal
challenges or whatever it isthat they're going through in
their physical health.
Something I've found to bereally helpful for someone to
shift their perspective around,whether it's rheumatoid
(12:14):
arthritis, hashimoto's, some ofthese big Crohn's, whatever
these bigger commonly known onesand many others is what if?
What if?
Which I find to be a disarmingway to get to the brain's logic
center without locking it downto be like, nope, that doesn't
(12:36):
work.
What if?
There's nothing wrong with you.
Your guidance system just got alittle louder.
I believe that health in itspurest form is simply alignment
spiritually, mentally,emotionally, cosmically,
(12:58):
whatever.
Whatever your cup of tea is andhow you process this
ever-expanding universe, it'salignment.
I remember talking to a clientonce who has Hashimoto's and her
biggest struggle was theexacerbation of the struggle,
because she saw it as somethingthat was wrong with her.
(13:20):
She was broken.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Yeah, unfortunately that's a pretty common feeling
with autoimmune disease.
Our bodies are quote betrayingus and we may find ourselves
believing that message that weare broken.
Hey friends, it's Kelly here.
With a quick interruption, I amlooking for those of you out
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there who are willing to shareyour personal health story, your
battle with autoimmune diseaseor another chronic illness, and
how you have overcome or are inthe process of overcoming your
particular disease throughnatural methods.
I would love to talk to you,get to know you and maybe even
have you as a guest on the show.
If you are interested inhelping to inspire and heal
(14:09):
others by sharing your story, orif you just want to chat,
please reach out to me at infoat kellybhainycom.
That's K-E-L-L-Y-B-H-A-N-E-Y.
Now back to the show.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
And when we do this, suddenly we realize, okay, our
body goes hey, kelly, thatdoesn't allow you to be in
alignment, but that makes itreally tough for you to hear
your soul, or that makes ittough for you to dial in your
intuition, or that makes ittough for you to express your
gifts.
And then it got a little louder.
(14:49):
And it got a little louder andthen it got really loud.
We went to the doctor and thedoctor said oh, you've got this
autoimmune disorder.
And it's like what if that wasalways the programming?
It just wasn't as loud and weactually brought in a little bit
with all deference to howunbelievably challenging,
unbelievably wearing down thoseexperiences can be, and we just
(15:16):
tried on a little bit each dayor a little bit each week.
What if I just got to go?
Okay, this is just my alarmsystem and it's just gotten a
lot louder, so I can hear itthat my body's saying eat this
way and you will feel better.
Eat this way and you will bebetter.
(15:37):
Eat this way and you'll beguided better.
Don't work out as hard andyou'll actually feel better.
Don't do this as much.
And we just see like I can't dowhat I used to do.
No, it's just the signals are alot louder.
I don't know, for whatever it'sworth, I just think that that
doesn't make it all better.
(15:59):
That non-duality we were talkingabout actually neutralizes the
anchoring of positive andnegative.
I think that in a healed placethere is no positive or negative
, there's productive, andproductive has both.
Even optimism is not theexclusion of negativity.
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It is simply the bias to makingthe most of whatever is here,
which in every case has someelement of negativity.
The research of trying to bemore positive in life is
actually detrimental if yourfocus is being positive, because
then you're just telling thenegative to be quiet because you
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decided it was negative.
But what if the negative wasn'tbad?
It was a signal trying to say,hey, and we've decided I'm
depressed.
What if that was just a signalsaying, kelly, it's really hard
to keep being this version ofyourself and yes, that can get
clinical, and yes, havingcertain tools and deeper
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interventions for that, tons ofsensitivity to that.
But I'm just saying if we canhave a brain that one little
thing goes wrong and we canimmediately feel like
everything's going wrong, likeall the dominoes are falling,
why couldn't we do it the otherdirection, where we could just
shift our mindset a little bit,see something just a little bit
better and let the dominoes fallthe other direction and feel
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like so many things are goingright, so many things are going
better.
I think that's part of thepower of exercising the other
side of those muscles and justgetting to see what's wrong with
me not as what's wrong with me,as just what is guiding me has
gotten louder.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
That's really powerful, and I've thought about
it in different terms of justbreaking it down to something
very simple.
Our body is always trying totalk to us, our body is always
trying to get our attention andwe live in a society that is so
loud and so go, go, go, and soyou must do this, you must do
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that, you have to be this.
Be that, when you say being outof alignment, that really
resonates with me, because Ithink the overwhelming majority
now is out of alignment, justthe way that our society has
gotten a little out of controlon a lot of levels.
And when you look at thestatistics autoimmune disease
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skyrocketed over the past twodecades cancer, diabetes, all of
these lifestyle illnesses.
And then looking at mentalhealth diagnosis, as we said,
about depression, anxiety, adhd,all of these other issues, and
it's I think we have to stop andlook at our culture and society
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as a whole and take a step backand be like you know what.
Let's just assess things, let'ssee where we are.
Technology is a wonderful thing, but it's also brought a lot of
not so wonderful things upon us.
We don't know what it is torest anymore.
We never get a break from workor social media, either one and
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again.
When you say out of alignment,this is what's coming to my mind
, like we, just as a whole, areout of alignment right now.
Thus, we should not besurprised by the skyrocketing
statistics of what manifestsinto disease.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
Yeah, I think there's a couple of things to consider
there and again, these are notclaims.
These are not saying this iswhat it is.
I think one part that isinteresting to consider is how
much of these statistics aregoing up because of more
diagnosis, not because of theirshowing up now.
(19:51):
More tools, more medical access, more it is better to be a poor
person today than it was to bea poor person 30, 40, 50 years
ago.
It still sucks that we have somany resources, creating a
massive spread and imbalance inthe world.
I'm all for that conversation,but I'm just saying that, in
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terms of access to finding outyou have cancer is way up.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
Then it would have been 30, 40, 50 years ago.
So that's interesting as onepart of it.
I think that's something toconsider, not as the total
explanation that, oh, like thereisn't things happening that's
making kids more autistic.
It's just that we have morenames for more diagnoses.
No, I'm just saying let's atleast let that be on the table
and let's consider, you know,like I'm not here gonna, I'm not
(20:43):
gonna argue with someone likeis climate change real?
Like I'm pretty sure like justthe realization that there are
seasons demonstrates that ourclimate changes.
Is there some really bad thingshappening to the earth?
I think there's a lot ofevidence that there is, and I
think there should also be onthe table that we actually have
no fricking idea what to doabout it.
And there's a lot of reallyinteresting ideas that claim to
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because they were allowing tolet all of this be on the table
and go through it with civilityand discussion, without contempt
and having to pick a side, andso one piece is that I think
okay, well, let's, let's take alook at that side of the
equation, and there's 360degrees to this, and that's just
a couple of them.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
Yeah, that was a good example with the reasons for
the increase in disease, and Iappreciate the reminder for not
necessarily assuming well, it'sall obviously because of this.
That's a good point that therecan be multiple explanations or
factors that play some degree ofa role in it, and I agree with
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you that we need to be talkingabout these things, all of them.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
And we need to be talking about how to talk about
it better.
Yes, you know.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
Yeah, because right now it feels like, well, it's
easier just to not talk about itand let these things happen and
just accept that they'rehappening and put our heads in
the sand.
And obviously that isn't goingto benefit anyone.
No one's going to grow fromthat.
So again, I'm generalizing whenit feels like that's what we
are doing as a society at largeand that I don't know which is
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more unhealthy in the long run.
Is it more unhealthy to claimto a side and a position so
tight, or is it more unhealthyto bury your head in the sand?
I don't think either one ofthem is great.
I think the point that you madeis really important for us to
be thinking about, and thatpoint is that we should be
thinking about these things andlooking at them from all sides
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and, of course, now we'rebleeding into a lot of different
categories.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
Yes, yes, yes, right, more options to see things.
That polarity is part of what's, I believe, contributing to the
additional autoimmunity andunhealth and dis-ease and all
that stuff is that those feellike the only two options cling
harder or bury your head in thesand Well, said Like that and
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that's the violence that weexperience inside ourselves,
that we have to pick sides andjump to one or the other and
then we hold on to one so tightand then life rips us into the
other one and now we do the samething and hold on to that one
so tight, and I think that istaking such a toll on our system
alone.
People didn't realize that'sthe reason for the non-dual that
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I was talking about, becausenon-dual is in between those two
, where you can be calm andalert.
Most people can't embody bothof those at the same time.
Some alert, it's got to behyperarousal.
If I'm calm, it's got to behypoarousal.
Our nervous systems are losingthe middle ground and that's
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where healing can occur.
That's where connection canoccur.
The things we're craving ashuman beings occur in that
middle ground.
So I think that's a big part ofthe healing we're looking for
as a society is being able toslow down enough to rebuild that
middle ground.
You can see these I forget thephilosopher that calls them
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epics, but you've got theseepics in life.
We had a foraging epic.
That was our early society,where we foraged for things.
We could only eat andexperience whatever we could go
gather, whatever we could kill.
Then we had the agriculturalepic, and the agricultural epic
allowed us to be able to plantand create.
That was amazing.
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Then we had the agrarian epic,where we could plow and we could
leverage things to create.
That was incredible.
Then we had the industrial epic.
Right now we are in thetechnological epic and it's
moving real fast, I think.
I think it's at leastinteresting to consider.
The next epic is consciousness.
It's also the only one that Ican see emerging that doesn't
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end with all of us being blownto smithereens or totally
wrecking our planet.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
Yeah, let's hope it's consciousness.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
Right.
Well, in the technological epicthe currency has been data.
In the consciousness epic, Ibelieve the currency will be
connection.
And something that I believekicked it in a high gear was
COVID, that isolation.
It woke us up to how starvedfor genuine human connection we
(25:34):
are.
We told ourselves stories it'sbecause we're wearing masks and
we're alone.
I think that was a contributingfactor, but a contributing
factor to exposing the lack ofgenuine connection that we had
when we didn't have some of ourcoping mechanisms available,
that that pandemic restrictedfor quite some time.
Like connection is as healingas any medicine that's ever been
(25:58):
invented.
Not that I'm going to tellsomeone going through
chemotherapy just focus onconnection, You'll be fine.
I'm not saying that.
I'm just saying as anundercurrent of the health of
human life.
We're built neurologically,biologically, for significant
connection.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
Yeah, I think of the blue zones.
If you're familiar with DanButner's work, who talks about
the, I forget how many.
There are cultures all over theworld that have the people that
in this modern day live thelongest, like centenarians.
They live to at least 100.
And that's one of the biggestthings that these cultures have
in common is their community,their sense of community and how
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important that is to them, andthat, to me, speaks volumes,
because if you're going to liveto 100 and still be agile,
healthy and strong, I want toknow what you're doing and a lot
of them.
It seems like it's mostly aboutthe community, but that just
always is a part of their lifeand that doesn't diminish as
they get older or just becausethey get older, and that tends
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to become more important theolder they get.
So that's really interestingand, to link it back to COVID, I
agree with you completely thatthat was an awakening on so many
levels, for so many differentthings, and if we're looking at
the silver linings, that'scertainly one of them that now
we've all collectively, most ofus for the first time in our
(27:23):
lives, have experienced whatit's like to feel isolated, and
we don't like that feeling.
I certainly didn't.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
But could I add, to notice our isolation at the
level like when we were justtalking about auto immunity
being not something new.
That came on.
Just your body got louder.
I think the isolation we feltduring COVID we have been
feeling for quite some time asthis world has gotten faster and
faster and over and overstimulated.
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It exposed that.
It made it louder.
You know, one of my favoritebooks on marketing called
positioning.
One of the opening lines is forthe first time ever, we're
living in an over communicatedsociety.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
That book was written in 1981.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
It goes on to state how many pages of news, how many
pounds of newspaper are printedevery year, how many pages of
books are printed every year,and their astounding numbers.
And that was 43 years ago.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
So that's?
I don't believe that's theenemy.
I don't think it serves to go.
Yes, technology is the threat.
Social media is the threat.
You know, I've got threedaughters 16, 13 and 10.
They have their challenges andit could be so easy to go.
It's because of social media?
Yeah, I don't believe it is.
(28:49):
I believe social media isexposing the real challenges and
, in some cases, really fast.
I literally was just having thisconversation with my wife the
other day because we had a toughconversation with my 16 year
old.
She's experiencing some reallydifficult things.
I felt the instinct she shouldget off social media and then we
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got to talk and I was like,okay, I think there could
certainly be some considerationsfor moderating that.
However, what we ultimatelywant is her to learn to regulate
, because there is nothing shewill experience on social media
that she won't experience off ofsocial media throughout her
life.
There is something to be saidwith how fast it comes at our
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kids and stuff, and I'm all formoderation to an extent, but not
as a substitute for youlearning how and being able to
teach your children how toregulate their nervous system,
because otherwise then they gotoff of social media because of a
restriction, and as soon asthey're in college or they're in
a place where they no longerhave the restriction, some kind
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of rebound, whether into socialmedia or something worse.
You could say drug substances,alcohol, whatever.
It just shows time and timeagain.
That's what happens whensomething that we think is
helpful is delivered to thechild as a restriction.
It's like squeezing a stressball.
It just expands somewhere elselater on or in that moment.
(30:18):
But when we go, wow, okay, whatif social media?
What if gluten?
What if whatever?
What wasn't the enemy, it wassomething we're going to want to
notice.
What is it exposing that I canwork through?
Speaker 2 (30:36):
We're talking about a lot of alternative perspectives
and different ways of lookingat things, and I think so much
about healing in all forms Justcomes down to mindset.
And speaking of mindset, I dowant to ask you to share your
(30:57):
personal understanding ofmindset, because I know you view
it as involving three parts,and I think it's really powerful
.
Can you share with us aboutthat?
Speaker 1 (31:10):
Yeah, I spent a lot of years as a coach believing
that mindset was the neocortex.
It was our thoughts, it was ourthinking patterns and all these
different things.
And I realized through a lot ofdeep personal work, a lot of
amazing mentors and programs andexperiences that I've had over
the years, that there's actuallya lot more to it, so a whole
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body mindset.
I believe that mindset is a setof minds, like a tool set or a
furniture set, and primarilythere are three of them.
There is the thinker mind, thehead mind, which is the
neocortex.
Those are our thoughts, that'sour conscious mind and our
subconscious mind.
And then we've got our heartmind, which is the mammalian
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aspect of us and our biology.
And the thinker mind is basedin thoughts.
That's all it is.
It's just ideas, it's justconcepts, it's not anything
tangible and real in terms ofwhat it produces and where it
operates, which is why it lovesto be everywhere, but right here
and now, because it can be.
It can be everywhere, but righthere and now.
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The heart mind, the mammalianaspect, is only present and
that's going to be the emotions,the zest, the passion right.
Then we've got our gut mind.
That's the reptilian aspect ofour biology and that's the
sensations, that's the survivalpart of us, the baseline that
(32:37):
you were talking about.
If you want to remodel yourhouse but it's on fire, you
should probably take care of thefire first, unless you want to
total makeover then just let itburn.
But in most cases we'll want toput it out first.
And that's the gut mind,interestingly enough, in embryo.
If we want to talk aboutsequence, when we were in the
womb the heart was formed firstand it actually borrowed the
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tissue to the brain and the gutto be formed and created.
So you could say the heart isthe mother of the mindset.
But they're all three veryimportant to dance with and
alignment.
They all speak a little bitdifferent language.
There is some segmentation inthat the heart mind and the gut
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mind are totally present and themind is usually totally not.
But in our society, one thingthat I'm pretty confident about
is that the mind is overreaching, not because it's malicious I
believe each one of these have anatural benevolence to them but
because we started getting moredomesticated as human beings
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and in doing so we startedgetting more disconnected from
the earth and from nature andfrom grounding and different
things, where, even if yourgrandpa was an asshole, at least
he worked the land and woke upwith the sun and went to bed
with the sun and that regulatedquite a bit without him even
realizing it.
And now very few of us havework or jobs or labor or
anything like that.
We're up before the sun is upand we're working out in some
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fluorescent lit gym withoverstimulating music and we're
staying up late because wecouldn't get off Tik Tok or that
Netflix thing.
And I'm not here to demonizeany of that.
I have been doing this foryears and I binged suits in like
four weeks.
I was a laborer with suits onNetflix, but when it got me, oh
it got me.
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But I'm not here claiming somealtruistic superiority.
But, with that said, all threeof these are really important to
understand and the brain is theone overreaching because it's
trying to do the heart's job andthe gut's job.
It's trying to tell you how tomanage your emotions and it's
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labeling them and limiting ourunderstanding of them.
It's trying to tell your gutwhat is and isn't a threat and
it creates a lot of mixedsignals, which is why today, a
child has a similar biologicalresponse to a certain Facebook
comment.
That would have required a lionto be in front of you gnarling
(35:17):
its teeth, like similar survivalresponse, similar fight or
flight response from that andthat comes from the overreaching
which then createsovercompensation and the heart
brain then creates oversensitivity to getting hijacked
by the gut brain.
Because, at the end of the day,the gut brain has the master
switch At the base levelsurvival.
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The gut brain gets hijacked,heart brain gets locked out,
head brain gets round out,limited, very much so.
Or sometimes the heart brainjust blows up and everything
feels huge and massive and crazy.
But the gut mind can lock youdown.
It gets triggered.
Ooh, it is.
There's not a lot you can doother than recognize there's an
(36:01):
invisible fire right now,because that's the thing when
most of us get hijacked we don'trealize we're hijacked, we
can't see the flames, but if youknow how to look for the smoke,
you can at least go.
I need to take a breath, I needto resource, I need to slow
down, I need to step away fromthis situation.
Whatever, you need to be ableto regulate so that you can then
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get back to working through allthree, and it is the alignment
of all three.
If you are theological,religious, it's the alignment
that connects you to God.
If you're more spiritual, it'sthat alignment that connects you
to the universe, to source,whatever it is.
If you're absurdist andatheistic or agnostic, it's that
alignment that connects you toself and all of the above, and
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allowing all three to dance forthem, to not create a hierarchy,
is super important.
And so I worked a lot in theneocortex and you can manipulate
the thermostat with theneocortex for a little while.
If the thermostat set at 70degrees, you can use the
neocortex to cool off the roomwith a fan or heat up the room
(37:10):
with a fire in the fireplace.
But eventually the thermostatgets to a certain point that it
kicks on countermeasures, thatoutlasts the fan, that outlasts
the fire in the fireplace andbring it back to 70 degrees, and
that thermostat gets set in thegut brain first, then it gets
expressed in the heart brain andthen we can explore it and
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support it and find more tobring into who we already are
with the headbrain.
And so that total mindset, thatwhole body mindset, is the only
thing I've found that actuallycreates transformation.
And short of that, I realizedand not wasting my time it's
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easy to go with what you knownow and be like, oh, if I'd only
known that then that was partof the progression.
So I don't think I was doinganything destructive or bad
because it wasn't the correctway.
It was correct way for where Iwas operating and the people I
was helping.
It was helping them get alittle further along too.
But now, realizing not but, andrealizing now that changing
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thermostats, like manipulatingthe thermostat, is not
sustainable it's exhausting andlearning what the primary
hijacks of this dancingalignment is, which primarily
are trauma, which blocks up thegut brain, shame, which blocks
up the headbrain, and unhealthyattachments, which blocks up the
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heartbrain.
You've got the gut brainblocked by trauma that locks you
out of you.
You've got unhealthyattachments that lock you over
the heartbrain, locks you out ofyour relationships, and you've
got shame that locks you out ofa healthy relationship with the
thinker brain that locks you outof building your businesses and
your dreams and whatever elseit is.
And so being able to build fromthat base level up is
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phenomenal, it's fantastic andit's sustainable.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
Yeah, that's really beautiful.
Thank you for sharing that, andthank you for all of the
powerful commentary today.
There's so much here that Iknow I'm going to be thinking
about for quite a while Beforewe wrap up.
I know that you recentlyexperienced something in your
(39:23):
life personally that reallychallenged you, and it may
encapsulate a lot of what we'vetalked about here today.
If you're willing to shareabout that with us.
Speaker 1 (39:37):
I had an opportunity I guess we'll say last year to
have a autoimmune experience.
It didn't turn out to be one,but I got a baptism by very
painful fire.
(39:58):
For about three months theythought it was Graves' disease.
Speaker 2 (40:05):
It turned out not to be.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
But the only difference between what I
experienced and what someone whomay have had a manifestation of
their Graves' disease wouldhave experienced is mine seems
to be better now, but everythingthat I read about sounded like
(40:28):
it.
My doctor even tested for itand my endocrinologist that I
met with eventually was like hey, I don't know if you have
Graves.
So I was misdiagnosed becauseyour doctor tested for the wrong
antibodies and she said it'snot dangerous that she did that.
(40:48):
It's very common because theyhave very similar acronyms, very
similar letters oh geez.
Not being a specialist, it canbe difficult to remember which
or which, but it wasunequivocally the most
horrendous experience of my life, going more than 30 days with
(41:09):
about an hour to an hour and ahalf of sleep every night, and
then the rest of the day, no nap, no tiredness.
In terms of my nervous system,it was so overcooked and yet
continued.
To find a way to keep cookingwas wild.
So my the only thing they cannarrow it down to is a episode
(41:34):
of thyroiditis which is likegoing to the doctor for strep
and they're like it's not strep,it's viral.
What does that mean?
We don't know, but it's up in afew weeks, you know, kind of a
thing.
So they said we have sometheories but it's not going to
matter because it's not an autoimmune disorder.
But like all the manifestationswere were such, it was a really
(41:56):
unique opportunity to kind ofexperience a massive explosion
of an auto immune like responsein my body and to walk through
that.
It felt like years, or thosethree months and in the
aftermath has given me anopportunity to have
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conversations like this withclients who have Hashimoto's or
clients who deal with rheumatoidarthritis and have an added
empathy and perspective.
I'm a big fan, my one of myfavorite modern day philosophers
, ken Wilbur, and he talks abouthow anything we want to
consider of the trans personalnature, which might be the
(42:42):
mystical nature of life, the,the meaning making of like, oh,
this happened because of, or youknow kind of a thing, law of
attraction all the way to youknow what someone might call
witchcraft or whatever.
I love his proposal that he heas much of a brilliant doctorate
(43:05):
level acolytion he is, he won'tdeny that.
He won't say that stuff is nottrue.
The spiritual nature of life,the meaning making of life, the
oh yeah, that that accidenthappened so that this could
happen, so that I could meet soand so that led to this, you
know, versus, it was acoincidence all the way to you
(43:27):
know more paranormal stuff orwhatever of like my ancestors
came to me and taught me thesethings.
He doesn't dismiss any of that.
It says it's super importantthat when we go into the trans
personal, that we consider it asif I'm going to think about
this as if it was real, as if itwas true, because it gives you
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an opportunity to explore thatwithout becoming attached to it,
and so there's a part of methat that does seriously
consider, as if that happenedfor me, to be able to experience
things that I wouldn't havebeen able to experience and to
understand things that Iwouldn't have been able to
(44:10):
understand otherwise, aroundauto immunity and the impacts,
the pathology of stress andcortisol, and if we got a little
bit deeper, being out ofalignment with your soul, cause
I I continuing the as a filter.
When I came out of this ordeal,at the end of those three and a
(44:30):
half months or whatever it was,something didn't fit anymore in
my life and I think it wouldprobably be more apropos to say
something.
I'd noticed something thatwasn't fitting and it probably
wasn't, hadn't been fitting fora while and it was where I was
at professionally.
I'd been in a partnership withmy dad for about nine years at
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that point a little over nineyears and the combination of
deciding to end that partnership, a ancient Ayurvedic soup
recipe that someone had told meabout years prior and just
popped back in my head towardsthe end of this ordeal.
I had gone from hypo or hyperto hypo, and so, between this
(45:15):
soup, making some difficultdecisions about my professional
life and about my boundaries,and different things, it was two
weeks, kelly, two weeks.
I had had labs done, hypo stillin rough water, trying to get
back to a youth thyroid, tryingto get back to a healthy
(45:38):
homeostasis, and I made somesignificant decisions about the
alignment of my life.
And this, this soup recipe thatwas, you know, that was passed
down from the lineage ofBuddha's physician like it's
wild.
And I got labs on two weekslater and my thyroid was perfect
and my endocrinologist was onthe floor like yeah, yeah.
(46:04):
And I'm sitting there going,okay, that's cool and I could
see a lot of corny places.
I could go with that.
I could see a lot of annoyingplaces and I'm going to go there
too with that as if filter.
I'm not going to stand up andsay it was the fact that I chose
to end this partnership.
That just wasn't an alignment.
It wasn't bad.
(46:24):
I didn't get a no, don't stayin business with your dad.
It was.
If you really want what you'reclaiming to want, you may want
to take this off ramp.
Speaker 2 (46:36):
Mm-hmm.
Wow, that's quite a powerfulstory and it's fascinating to
hear you look back on it andhear what you've been able to
take away from it and whatyou've gained from it.
I really appreciate yourvulnerability and openness in
being willing to share thatstory.
(46:57):
That's really inspiring, mm-hmm.
Well, thank you.
This has all been so great.
My goal with this podcast isalways to leave people with
takeaways and things to thinkabout or perhaps consider
differently, and you certainlydid that for me today, with many
new perspectives to look at,and I imagine others listening
(47:19):
feel likewise.
So I really appreciate youbeing here and giving us your
time.
Speaker 1 (47:24):
My pleasure and thank you for creating such a fun
space to be able to explore thisstuff.
I've found that that has a lotless to do with just me and more
to do with the space that youallow and what you allow me to
see and feel, what I can see andfeel from you, and that
collaboration, that dance, andyou've been fun to dance with.
(47:45):
So thank you.
Speaker 2 (47:48):
Well, friends, I hope you enjoyed this episode with
Paul Blanchard.
If you are interested inlearning more about him and his
work, check out his website atwholebodymindsetcom slash
habitfinder.
There you'll find a free toolthat measures the patterns of
your thinker mind.
I did this myself and wasnothing short of blown away by
(48:09):
what the results told me aboutmyself, so highly recommend.
Thank you so much for listening.
If you received value from thisepisode today, I humbly request
your support by subscribing,downloading, rating and
reviewing the show, and pleaseshare this episode with anyone
who you think may find value init as well.
I am truly honored to walkalongside of you as we heal and
(48:35):
stay healed together.
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