Season 9 - Episode 80 - A Sobering Truth Behind Success | Dr. Evette Rose and Ron Malhorta

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The quest for authentic masculinity in today's world feels increasingly complex. How can men maintain ambition, leadership, and strength without falling into toxic patterns? Award-winning wealth planner Ron Malhotra cuts through the confusion with crystal clarity in this powerful conversation.

Drawing from personal experience, Ron shares his transformation from a confused young man with misdirected energy into a purpose-driven leader. He challenges conventional thinking about masculinity, arguing that the problem isn't masculine traits themselves but the lack of guidance in channeling them properly. "Toxic masculinity was maybe a label given to men who have the capability to be strong men of character and lead but don't have the direction," he explains. This perspective shifts the conversation from suppressing masculine qualities to developing self-mastery.

Ron introduces a revolutionary framework for male development centered on four pillars: mastery of self, business and financial fundamentals, understanding spiritual laws, and embracing healthy masculinity. This holistic approach addresses what traditional education neglects – character development alongside practical wisdom. He draws a crucial distinction between internal identity (purpose, values, strengths) and external identity (title, accomplishments, status), revealing how attachment to external factors creates vulnerability during life's inevitable challenges.

Perhaps most profound is Ron's insight on balance. Rather than choosing between polarities – dominance or passivity, expression or stoicism, intellect or intuition – men must learn when each quality serves them. "It's not about whether you have ego or show emotion," he explains, "it's about knowing when and how much is appropriate." This nuanced understanding transforms confusion into clarity and weakness into strength.

Ready to reclaim your masculine power with purpose and consciousness? This episode offers a roadmap to becoming the kind of man who remains strong yet grounded, ambitious yet ethical – a true asset to family, business, and community. Share your thoughts about balancing masculine energy in today's world!

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:14):
Hi everyone, yvette Brose here from Metaphysical
Anatomy Guys.
I am so excited here to have onthe Men in Business Summit.
We have a special guest speaker, ron Malhotra.
Ron, thank you so much forbeing here.

Speaker 2 (00:28):
Thank you, it's a pleasure.
Thank you for inviting me,yvette.

Speaker 1 (00:32):
So excited.
I have a good feeling aboutthis interview.
When we started like this, Iknow it's going to be fantastic.
And so, guys, for those of youwho don't know Ron, he loves to
elevate human talent and alsothe consciousness through
education, and he's also anaward-winning wealth planner,
renowned and also a thoughtleader, entrepreneur,
international best-sellingauthor and also a speaker and a

(00:54):
business mentor.
And he's also the founder ofthe Successful Mail and also the
managing director of Maple TreeWealth Management and
Black-Footed Business Advisor,amongst many other things.
I wonder if I really had to sayeverything that you've done,
everything that you haveaccomplished in your life.
That would take up the wholeinterview.
Congratulations, first of all,with being so well accomplished.

(01:18):
You know your life is fantastic, You're doing great, You're
exactly where you want to be inyour life.
But has it always been likethat for you?
Has it always been easy?
Because I see sometimes men whoare very successful it's
because they've had perhaps arole model or a positive
introduction to it.
But then we also have theopposite extreme, where people

(01:39):
have had nothing and they comefrom that place of humbleness
and then creating the life thatthey wanted.
How did this start for you?

Speaker 2 (01:49):
well, I don't think I'm necessarily very
accomplished.
I think it's.
This is just a byproduct of age, along with focus, right?
So I am 44 years of age, andonce you know what you want to
do in life, then you obviouslyaccumulate accomplishments as
you go along, provided you knowwhat you want, because if you
know what you want, you're notwasting a lot of time.
So I think once I got focusedand once I knew exactly who I

(02:10):
was and what I wanted, I wassurprised at how quickly the
accomplishments piled up.
I am achievement orientated, uh,admittedly I am.
I am driven by achievements, uh, but I don't want the
achievements to define me.
I want the character to defineme.
I want the character to defineme.
But no, it hasn't been this wayalways.
I mean, I started off as a veryconfused, frustrated young man,

(02:32):
very confused and no direction.
By the time I was in my lateteens.
I had a lot of friends who werealpha males in terms of their
ability to be able to go out, alot of macho, bravado and
confidence, but the depth wasmissing, the character was
missing, that consciousness wasmissing.

(02:53):
So I did learn a lot of thingsjust hanging out with those guys
.
I learned how to be confident.
I learned how to be strong.
I learned a lot of themasculine skills by hanging out
with men like that.
The problem, though, was whenit really came down to maturity
taking responsibility.
They lacked in that.
So who I am today, I attributeto the input of wonderful

(03:16):
mentors that I've had over theyears.
I really strongly believe thatit's because of them that I'm
here, because've had, I've had.
I guess I did my part.
I took the initiative to learnto fill in all the gaps, but I
was always hungry as well.
One of the things I find isthat a lot, of, a lot of people
are not on the quest for truthand wisdom, so I think I think

(03:38):
our part is that we need to havethe thirst for wisdom and truth
, and I think when you have thatand you realize that you've got
a lot of gaps in your knowledge, you've got to seek out the
right people.
So I stand on the shoulders ofgiants.
I am extremely confident now.
I know who I am, I know what Iwant.
I think I have a fairunderstanding of how things work

(03:58):
, how life works, but that Iattribute to the learnings and
the input that I've had fromwonderful people in my life, but
it started out me being veryconfused.
I was always ambitious, but Ididn't know how to direct my
ambition.
And when you, when you're ayoung man, you're full of
testosterone, you're full ofenergy, but if you don't have

(04:19):
the right role models around you, you don't have mature men of
character, you don't haveresponsible leaders around you,
then you end up misdirecting alot of that energy, which is
what happened with me.
So I ended up misdirecting alot of that energy.
I was, I was feisty, I was, Ihad the fire inside of me, but
you know, a fire, uncontrolledfire, is not a good thing.
Yeah, so I did becomeself-destructive, and I think I

(04:40):
became destructive in myrelationships as well.
And because I had all this firebut I didn't channel it, not
knowing what my purpose in lifewas, not knowing who I was in
terms of my strengths and myvalues, a lot of that fire
either got dissipated in ahundred different directions or
it became destructive to me andthe people around me.
And so that's when I realizedthat there are men like me out

(05:03):
there who have a desire to be aleader, or they have the
ambition, but it's uncontrolledambition.
And when I started to hear abouttoxic masculinity, I started to
understand that toxicmasculinity was maybe a label
given to men who have thecapability to be strong men of
character and lead but don'thave the direction, who have the

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capability to be strong men ofcharacter and lead but don't
have the direction.
And so all that energy that'spent up and it doesn't have a
channel for expression can thenbecome destructive.
And so that's why, when wedecided that we wanted to set up
an initiative to show ambitiousmen who want to become men of
character, they don't want totone down their ambition, they

(05:44):
don't want to lose theirmasculine energy.
They just want to learn how toredirect it.
Remain men, but redirect it ina way that's going to make them
an asset to their families andtheir communities and their
industries.
And having gone through thatproblem, solving that problem
myself, I felt it was myobligation to bring that
education to men.

(06:05):
And that's how you know, mybackground connects to the
successful men.

Speaker 1 (06:10):
I love what you touched on there.
You touched on something sofundamentally important because
I you know, with all the othermen that I spoke to, you touched
on something that I haven'treally touched on yet, and that
is all this fire, all thisenergy, all this creativity.
They have the talent, but it'sall about channeling and
funneling and structuring thatcorrect.

(06:32):
And what I also see here if wereally had to look at it from a
bit of a psychology type ofperspective, do you feel that it
comes from a need to avoidfeeling controlled or having to
follow the mainstream, orwanting to be different or
wanting to stand out, that menmight not necessarily want to
follow the rules or have to doit in a certain way, but try to

(06:55):
find their own innovative way todo that.
But there's always that, thatit's almost like there's that
key, that missing gap thatallows them to really bridge
these talents that they have toa constructive outcome.
What would you say was one ofthe biggest pitfalls when you
did have this wild energy thatyou just wanted to push, put out
into the world, and where didyou find your, your how can I

(07:20):
say?

Speaker 2 (07:20):
your mishaps were when, when doing that I think
anytime you're going to try andunderstand a problem, you have
to first start with why theproblem exists.
So let's talk about why theproblem exists.
Well, first of all, there arevery few leaders who have depth
of character, a sense ofmorality and ethics in the world
.
Let's face it moral and ethicaleducation is not part of our

(07:43):
education system.
So we don't really have a lotof role models.
In a community, like we used toback in the day, you'd have men
who were role models.
They were strong men and youknow, young men would have to go
and do service in the armedforces and they would learn a
lot of those skills.
When I grew up, you know a lotof men were already not that
strong and I found that therewas a lack of role models.

(08:04):
Combine that with the fact thatthe education system, the
traditional education system,emphasizes academic education.
It doesn't.
It doesn't emphasizeself-education, it doesn't
emphasize spiritual education,it doesn't acknowledge the
importance of business andfinancial education, all the
elements that you need in orderto become holistically
successful, and so so.

(08:25):
So when you combine thosethings, if you, if you're a
naturally you're, you're anaturally driven man, which I
was you have all this ambition,but you don't.
You don't understand anythingabout yourself because you don't
have self-education, you don'thave spiritual education, you
don't have business andfinancial education.
And fourth, the fourth elementis you don't actually know what
it means to be a man, becausenobody talks to you in those

(08:46):
terms and all you have is accessto academic education.
That's all you have.
And you, you and and you, yougo through this narrow field of
education and it's notsatisfying.
I remember at school I struggledbecause you know, and, and for
many years I believed that I wasnot smart, because I found I

(09:08):
couldn't engage with theeducation, the structured
curriculums, and I really feltlike it was producing
close-minded people.
And over the years now Irealize that the education
system really doesn't educate,it doesn't empower, it doesn't
enable, it doesn't mobilize, itindoctrinates people.
So now I look back and I thinkI was right in thinking that

(09:31):
there was something right.
This wasn't for me.
And then I kind of realizedthat the only way I'm gonna
develop is to seek what else isout there.
And then, over the years now Ihave made the determination that
for a man, there are fourelements that a man needs to
achieve competency and masteryin for him to feel joy, joyful,
fulfilled and accomplished.
And those four elements, as Imentioned earlier, is mastery of

(09:54):
self, and we can delve deepinto what that means.
Mastery of business andfinancial fundamentals.
That's a must because we livein an economic world.
I do find that when men denythe importance of money and
commercial success because theythink that that somehow makes
them more spiritual or grounded,I think they suffer because the
reality is, whether we like itor not, the world system is

(10:16):
currently built around economics.
So if you don't understand, youdon't have a commercial and
financial mind, you willstruggle.
Third part is the spiritual part, which is mastery of spiritual
laws.
What does that mean?
Again, we can delve deep intoit if you like.
And the fourth part is whatdoes it mean to be masculine?
Right Now, one of the things Irealized was that when you're a
masculine man meaning that youcan feel that you have the

(10:39):
qualities of leadership,ambition and you have partial
dominance, what we're leadership, ambition and you have partial
dominance what you're seeing is,over the last two decades, we
are seeing a demonizing of thoseparticular personality traits.
We are seeing that there is aculture that has evolved that
automatically assumes that anymale who is ambitious and
demonstrates leadershipqualities or is dominant in

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nature is toxic.
What we're not teaching peopleis that when it comes to times
of crisis or there is a war, youare going to need those men.
They are the only men that aregoing to fight.
But what we also need to teachthese men is that it's okay to
have ambition and dominance, butyou need to know how to channel
it and control it.
Rather than use that dominanceto control others, you actually

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need to use that dominance tocontrol and manage yourself, and
I think anything in life thatis worth understanding is highly
complex and nuanced, and thiswhole thing around masculinity
is also very complex, but we tryand simplify it.
Society comes up with verysimple labels and simple
descriptions, and I don't thinkit does any justice.

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So, even though I'm explainingthis in in this in simple terms,
it's not so simple to reallyapply, because for a man to
understand that, yes, you can bemasculine, you can take a lead
role, you can be dominant, butthat doesn't mean that you need
to control people.
That doesn't mean that you arebeing controlling of people.
That you are, you have arelationship with.
The dominance actually meansyou have to have the ambition

(12:07):
and drive to be the best, toexcel in what you do, to have a
passion for your craft and to bein control of your thoughts and
emotions and behaviors, not tobe in control of other people's
thoughts, emotions and behaviors.
And I don't think we make thatdistinction enough, which is why
men are so confused, and sothey either feel that they have
to give up their masculinitybecause they don't want to be

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labeled as toxic, or they becomemasculine and they demonstrate
these controlling behaviorsbecause they think that that's
what makes them masculine.
And I don't think we.
I think men are extremelyconfused these days, and I think
there is a lack of role modelswho can articulate what it
actually means to be a man whois spiritually conscious,

(12:49):
intellectually sound, uh and andphysically fit and healthy.

Speaker 1 (12:53):
You know, it's a combination of mind, body and
spirit when you said that I hadjust had like these waves of
goosebumps, and when I get that,it normally means the person is
just nailing, you know, nail onthe head, like it's just so.
There's so much truth in whatyou said and it's deep
information that that's comingout to the surface, that needs

(13:13):
to come to the surface, and I'mtremendously thankful that men
like you're out there likereally showing other men also
how to do that.
And do you feel that what youexplained here as well, like the
mastery of the self,understanding, the, the
spiritual laws and also what itmeans to be masculine, does this
all combine in terms of how youfeel or perhaps see why people

(13:35):
fail to fulfill their definitionof success?

Speaker 2 (13:41):
well, yeah, put it this way if I had a, a young son
.
I have a daughter.
My daughter is nine years old.
But if I had a son today, whatwould I be teaching him?
Well, I'd be starting with youknow.
I would tell my son that, look,go and learn what you have to
learn in school.
You need to learn a bit ofacademics, you need to learn
social skills, you need to learnstructured training.
You need to learn some of thosethings, and that's important.
But when you come home, learnsome of those things, and that's

(14:05):
important.
But when you come home, we'regoing to.
We're going to work on fourelements.
We're going to work on youunderstanding who you are, how
you work, how does your mindwork, how does your subconscious
mind work, how your emotionswork and the link between your
values, strengths sorry, yourvalues and your beliefs and your
behaviors.
I would spend a lot of time onthem, because a lot of humans
don't actually understandthemselves.
We don't.

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We know so little aboutourselves.
Then I would teach them aboutconsciousness.
You know our obligation to theworld, our obligation to
humanity, understanding not justthe physical but the
metaphysical, something that youhave a lot of passion for and
you specialize in, butunderstanding that everything in
the world is made up of physicsand matter and energy, and
understanding the energeticnature of what it means to be a

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human being.
Third, I would then want themto understand business and
financial fundamentals, becausein order to be financially
successful, you have to be astrategic and lateral thinker,
you have to have commercialacumen, and that is also
important.
You can't just be left brain orright brain, you've got to
integrate the two.
And then the fourth thing Iwould teach them the importance

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of masculine polarity, meaningthat it's okay for you to be a
man.
In fact, if you don't understandthe elements of masculinity, if
you start to dilute them, andwhen there is less and less
difference between the genders,then the attraction is lost.
I think there is less and lessdifference between the genders,
then the attraction is lost,right?

(15:30):
I think there's a confusion outthere in the world.
Men and women are equal, butthey're different.
Let's not pretend that they'rethe same.
They're very different and andwe need to maintain and retain
those differences rather thanpretend that those differences
don't exist, because thosedifferences is why they come
together in the first place andthey gravitate towards each
other.
Currently, the assumption ismade that anyone that wants to
highlight the fact that men andwomen are different is basically
trying to stereotype men andwomen.

(15:52):
No, that's not the case.
Biologically we're different,the way we behave is different
and our differences actuallybring us together.
The more men start acting likewomen and women start acting
like men, the more it actuallystarts to erode the attraction
between the genders.
Yeah right, yeah so.
So they're the four elements Iwould teach my son, you know.
And then obviously aroundphysical strength.

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Um, you know, you have to havephysical strength.
It's important.
I mean, there is.
There is a natural decline intestosterone and sperm count in
men if men are not physicallyhealthy, if they don't have that
vitality and radiance and thatenergy.
So there is a case for the factthat a man can be a gentleman,

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can be highly gentle insituations, in social situations
, in business situations, withwomen and children, but also
needs to retain the warrior-likequalities.
Should there ever be a crisistype of situation, the man needs
to be able to tap into it.
You know, there's a wonderfulsaying and I don't know who it's
by bruce lee.
He said it's better to be awarrior in the garden than to be

(16:58):
a gardener in a wall, right,right, yeah, so you.
So if I have, if I have a sontoday, that's those types of
things I'd be teaching you, andI really feel like I didn't
learn those lessons for a longtime in my life.
You know, I I have learnedthese lessons through
self-discovery.
I didn't have a role model toteach me all these lessons, so

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that's why we felt that, once weunderstood that, you know, if
your man has an understanding ofthese four elements, you are
going to develop men into theseholistic human beings who will
become strong, you know, leaders, and they're going to become
assets to their families.
But that's not something thathappens naturally, you know.

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So there has to be a transferof wisdom from somewhere, and
ideally from a place ofexperience.
Um, and you know, experiencecomes from mistakes and I I can
tell you I've made severalmistakes and reflected upon them
to be to have this level ofclarity that I have today and
they have and you had thatwillingness to receive that

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wisdom, where I'm seeing a lotof people are still not, they're
not ready to receive the wisdom.

Speaker 1 (18:05):
Because I'm seeing a lot of people are still not,
they're not ready to receive thewisdom because if they receive
it, then it's subconsciously.
I see with men, in the patterns, with my clients as well, that
there's a fear of admitting thatthey are wrong.
There's a fear of admittingthat what they've been doing was
not right, triggering the senseof failure which they're
actually trying to avoid.
Feeling like a failure, but atthe same time, indirectly,
they're actually sabotagingthemselves from progressing and

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growing psychologically andemotionally as well by receiving
this guidance as well.
And this deeply correlates alsowith emotions, because men
struggle with emotions and it'snot because they don't know how
to feel it, it's just been soprogrammed that you're not
allowed to feel it.
So when the emotions do come up, that's also why it's so very

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much explosive, because there'snot a lot of outlet, healthy
outlets, for that as well.
And where I see this transpiresdeeply and tremendously is with
communication.
When men are in a positionwhere they need to communicate,
which is not always theirstrength, this is not
stereotypically speaking,because communication means

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expressing, and men are trainedand taught not to express what
they feel.
It's much more so expressingwhat their opinion is in terms
of trying to do business orsomething like that.
But personal, no.
But of course emotions.
Personal emotions pour overinto whatever it is that we do.
Any human being experiencesthat.

(19:32):
What has your experience beenwith handling all these emotions
that sometimes can come up?
It's called life.
But then also how to funnel andchannel that into constructive
communication in business aswell, because that's where I see
a lot of successful men wobble.

Speaker 2 (19:52):
That's where they and that's a lot of questions that
I also get from my male clientswell, I think the type of men
that you may be referring towhen you say successful are men
who are accomplished in thebusiness world, in the financial
world, but do not necessarilydemonstrate a level of
consciousness when it comes totheir own thoughts, emotions and
behaviors.
With anything, we have to applydistinctions in thinking.

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I think a man needs tounderstand his thoughts and
emotions and have the ability tobe able to strategically
express himself.
But I also find that there isright now, you know, a lot of
women are encouraging men to beexpressive and I think you know
you have two extremes men whodon't express themselves at all
and men who are overlyexpressive because they feel
that need to talk about everysingle thing that they're
thinking and feeling.

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I think the answer is somewherein the middle.
I think a man needs to knowwhat he's thinking and feeling,
but he needs to be strategicabout what he's sharing, because
Because there's a wonderful,you know it's wonderful to be
expressive, to have the abilityto be able to express your
thoughts and emotions.
But just because you have theability to express your thoughts
and emotions doesn't mean thatyou need to express every

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thought and emotion, becausesometimes we need time to digest
and reconcile our own emotionsas well.
So what you'll find is that inthe masculine world, men are
typically discouraged fromexpressing.
In the feminine world, womenwill encourage men to express a
lot.
The answer is somewhere in themiddle.
A man needs to know when andhow to express, rather than
express all the time.

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If you actually start tointerview women themselves and
women will tell a lot of thetimes they'll advise men look,
you need to be more expressive.
But if you actually ask womenand if women are being really
self-aware and being honest withthemselves, a man who's too
expressive actually starts toerode his own attractiveness,
believe it or not.
And so this is where whathappens is.

(21:38):
And again, it's the same thingwith ego as well.
If a man is dominant, he'snaturally going to have some ego
.
Should he give up all the egocompletely?
Not necessarily.
What he needs to know is heneeds to recognize the ego and
he needs to recognize where theego becomes unhealthy.
It's not possible for a man tobe highly accomplished with some
ego.

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If we're really being honest,you'll never see somebody who is
an absolute legend in theirfield, whether it's in art or
music or entertainment or sport.
You'll never see somebody whois an absolute legend in their
field, whether it's in art ormusic or entertainment or sport.
You'll never see somebody whois an absolute legend in their
field without a level of ego, ahealthy level of self-respect
and high expectations of self.
But the excessive identificationwith ego is the problem, and I

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think this is what concerns meis when people say, oh, he's
egotistical, he's got ego.
And so the man thinks well, youconcerns me is when people say,
oh, he's egotistical, he's gotego.
And so the man thinks well, youknow, I don't want to be called
egotistical, so I'll give upall ego.
That's not the answer.
You've got to retain a healthylevel of ego.
But an excessive attachment toexternal identity can be the
problem.
And that's when men, when menhave a divorce or when they lose

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they have a stock market crashor they lose their job or they
lose their position those menwho have an excessive attachment
to the external identity,they're the ones that then
become suicidal, violent or theybecome alcoholics because they
don't know how to manage that,because they have excessive
attachment.
You've got some attachment tothe external identity.

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That's important for us todominate in the physical world,
but an excessive attachment isunhealthy.
And I think when peoplecommunicate sometimes about
these issues, they don't makethe distinctions.
So the average person takes themessage at the surface level
and believes that they'veunderstood it.
And, as I keep saying, a lot ofwisdom is quite nuanced.

(23:26):
It's not black and white andpeople need to understand that.
So you know, how can a manmaintain a healthy level of ego
which is going to drive himforward, which is going to make
him excel in his craft, which isgoing to make him want to
compete when he needs to compete?
I'm not saying you need to becompetitive all the time, but
there are times you have tocompete Because in the physical

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world there are still a lot ofunconscious energies, right, as
much as you know.
People say love will solve allproblems.
It doesn't.
If love solved all problems,then Mandela would have not been
put behind bars, gandhi wouldhave not been assassinated,
martin Luther King would havenot been assassinated.
Martin Luther King would havenot been assassinated.

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There is a time you have tobring love in and then there is
a time you have to use a form ofaggressive energy to get things
done.
Sometimes you have to pull,sometimes you have to push.
So I'm always wary about anypiece of advice which makes it
sound extremely simplistic,because what I find is that the
more you understand the world,the natural world, the more you

(24:30):
understand human nature, themore you realize how complex it
is Right.
And finding that balance is noteasy.
In no way am I claiming that Ihave got that balance all the
time, but the understanding thatthe answer is not in any of the
extremes makes me want tocontinue to strive to acquire
that wisdom rather than foolmyself into believing that I've

(24:55):
got it.

Speaker 1 (24:57):
I like I love your honesty in this, because this is
what's so much it's needed andis there any guidelines or any
tips or signs that you can sharethat will allow me to really
really see I am now in myhealthy ego versus the unhealthy
ego, because it's such a fineline I would love to hear what

(25:19):
was, where was that line for you?
What worked for you?
What was a healthy balance foryou?

Speaker 2 (25:27):
when we use the word science, we have to understand
that science a scientific andrational approach typically
works with physical evidenceonly right.
Typically it needs.
It emphasizes anything that wecan identify with through our
sensory factors.
Some things go beyond science.
So one of the things for me,for example, is I have an
identity, an internal identity,and I have an external identity.

(25:49):
My internal identity is mypurpose, my passion, my values,
my strengths, my zone of geniusand my goals.
That's my internal identity.
My external identity is myoccupation, my title, my name,
my nationality, my heritage andmy accomplishments.
That's my external identity.
I need both.

(26:10):
I need an internal identity andI need an external identity
Right.
When a man has the rightalignment, he has more of his
self-esteem coming from hisinternal identity than his
external identity.
So, for example, if I was to bestripped of my external
identity and I start feelingsuicidal or I lose my confidence

(26:32):
, then that basically means thatI have worked too hard on
building my external identity,but I've neglected my internal
identity.
However, at the same time, ifsomebody strips me of my
occupation, my financial statusand my accomplishments, but I
can still maintain a sense ofcalm and confidence and courage,
and what that basically says isthat I have more of my identity

(26:56):
derived from my internalidentity and less from my
external identity.
That means I have lessattachment to the ego.
Yeah, right, what you find iswhen and men typically see women
express their emotionstypically through sadness or,
you know, tears, but men expresstheir same energy through anger

(27:18):
.
What is anger, though?
If you really understand whatanger is?
Anger is a feeling that a manfeels when he fears losing
something or someone theunderlying emotion of fear and
when a man feels that somethingexternal is about to be taken
away from them that's going tostrip them of their external

(27:39):
identity, that's when that fearof losing someone or something
kicks in, and that's when a manexpresses anger.
Okay, and anger, as we know,for a man, especially if it's
not being directed properly, canbe extremely destructive.
Right, and that will alwayshappen when a man has more of
his identity acquired throughthe external rather than the

(28:01):
internal.
I mean, we all need an externalidentity to function as human
beings in the world.
I need an external.
When you introduced me, you know, you said ron, is this this?
This?
He's a speaker, he's a wealthadvisor.
How do I feel when I listen tothis nice, but not like, oh my
god, how incredible.
Am I right?
I like the fact that I have beenable to achieve certain things

(28:22):
in the physical world, but I'malso very conscious about the
fact that I don't want that todefine who I am Right Partially,
not totally Right, and so myability to be able to make that
distinction in my mind isimportant.
At all times, I must remindmyself that, no matter what I
accomplish in the physical world, that the predominantly who I

(28:46):
am is defined by my internalidentity.
And as long as I remember that,I will always remain grounded
right.
And my favorite, one of myfavorite expressions is how can
I keep my feet firmly on theground but keep my head up in
the clouds at the same time,meaning I still want to have a

(29:07):
vision.
I don't want to diminish myselfto the point where I have no
vision.
I want to have a grand visionfor my life my head's in the
clouds, but at the same time, Imust keep my feet firmly on the
ground, and this is what I findwith pretty much everything in
life.
There's this ability tointegrate two opposing forces,
so important for people tounderstand that, because there's
a natural polarity that existsin the universe and in life, and

(29:29):
anytime you are gravitatingtowards any of the extremes, you
suffer needlessly.
The ability to integrate thosepolarities is.
It requires mindfulness, right?
So, and it amazes me, you know,here I'm at the age of 44 and I
look at a lot of young men.

(29:50):
You know, a lot of young mencome to me and I said to them
you know, what do you want?
I want to be a millionaire, Iwant to have a private jet.
I want to have, I want to be, Iwant to date a lot of young
women.
Okay, that's all fine, but it'sit's very superficial.

Speaker 1 (30:07):
It's okay, that's going to give you a lot of
pleasure, but it's not going togive you joy you know, and
something that deeply takingfrom what you're saying here as
well, is if I had to take it inmy own words is, at the end of
the day, it's about living yourlife and having the balance that

(30:27):
, if you did, for example, losethe external self, would you be
happy with the internal self?

Speaker 2 (30:33):
and if the answer is yes, then you have found your
place of balance well, the thingis, you can build everything in
the external as long as youretain the internal.
So if I lost my business and Ilost my net worth, I lost my.
Anything that I'll lose in thephysical world I can recreate as
long as the internal state isstill aligned and consolidated.

(30:54):
And that can only happen if I'mputting more work into the
internal than I'm putting intothe external.
If I neglect the internal andthe external gets taken away
from me, then all of a sudden Iwill suffer from a significant
loss of identity, which is thengoing to manifest itself into
fear and be expressed as anger.

Speaker 1 (31:13):
You know when you did touch there on this, that part
as well, where it's important tolook at this internal and to
nurture that, because what I'mseeing this year already, I'm
seeing this year is a year ofresurrection, but a year of
emotional resurrection, and I'mseeing this especially with men.
I almost feel women areactually going a little bit the

(31:34):
opposite.
It's like they've taken a bitof a step back and I feel men
are finally like making awonderful headway in terms of
finding that inner balance andthey're starting to just
intuitively doing thatthemselves.

Speaker 2 (31:49):
Yeah, I have empathy for women though, because I do
feel that a woman, when she isnot around enough masculine
energy, she will end up steppinginto the masculine energy.
Yeah, okay, and I think, andthat's why I really believe,
that it's up to men.
It is hard for men because, youknow, I mean, one of the things
you'll find is that in asociety, a young male has the

(32:12):
least value.
In a society, women andchildren have more value.
Okay, if something happens to ayoung male, for example, on the
streets, it won't get a lot ofcoverage in the media, but if
something happens to a female ora child, it'll get a lot more
coverage.
So, as a whole, we don't evenrealize this.
Unconsciously, we do place alot of value on the lives of
women and children, and so weshould.

(32:35):
And but a lot of men feel likethey're being neglected.
A lot of men are starting tofeel a bit resentful because
they feel like they're not beingacknowledged, they're not being
recognized, and it's adouble-edged sword.
On one hand, we can't blamewomen for this, and men have to
take responsibility here, and alot of men don't want to take
responsibility because the senseof entitlement has kicked in as

(32:58):
well, the reality is it isharder for men and it should be
harder for men.
It should be.
It shouldn't be easier for menbecause that's when, if you
really want to get in connectionwith your own masculinity, do
the hard stuff.
You're not going to get toexperience the power of your
masculinity unless you do thehard stuff.
So it is actually hard for menthese days.

(33:22):
And we're not talking aboutbecause when women talk about
the fact that you know, womenare disadvantaged and men have
advantages, they forget the factthat 80 of men don't have that
advantage.
It's only the men at the top oh, yeah, yeah 80 of the men have
no advantage.
They're actually, in fact, inmany cases, are worse off than
women in many, in many cases.
But yeah, there are men at thetop.
I mean, the world is dominatedby men, but let's not forget

(33:44):
that only 20 of the men, 80 ofthe men, don't have any
dominance in life, and so wehave to keep that in mind and I
think, I think for me it's veryimportant that a man does learn
the hard stuff, because that'swhen he will build that
character.
You can't build character ifyou take the easy way.

Speaker 1 (34:03):
You just can't and I love what you said there again
and I want to dive a little bitinto that is to build the
emotions, is to build with theemotions of the heart center.
Because did you find that therewas a difference?
Because I know you're a heartperson, that's why you just
jumped out at me from all thepeople that I really wanted to
connect with and did you findthat being in your heart center

(34:26):
made a difference when workingwith people, not just now,
clients.
I'm talking about your internalsystem, because this is where I
find a lot of men in businessand in leadership.
They don't have a dynamic withtheir team members.
They don't have a dynamic withtheir team members.
They don't have a connection ora bond professional bond, of
course, but with their peopleand they have a high turnover in

(34:49):
their businesses.

Speaker 2 (34:50):
people don't stay very long well, that's because
most men tend to be more leftbrain dominated and you know,
and a lot of men chooseoccupations that also emphasizes
the left brain function, forexample, like in financial
services and wealth management.
You know, I was very left brain, left brained in the way I.

(35:11):
You know, I analyze situationsand I rationalize situations.
The development of the rightbrain, or the intuitive
faculties to match theintellectual faculties, has come
from learning through my ownmentors and then being able to
integrate the two.
What you'll see is typically inthe workforce.
If you're seeing male leaders,you'll see one or the other.

(35:33):
I've seen both.
I've seen both extremes maleswho are highly left-brained,
dominant, use a push-basedapproach, and then you're also
seeing a lot of males who aresofter, using a only or
predominantly a right, rightbrain approached, uh, highly
intuitive, highlyconsensus-based both extremes.
Again, you need to know when topull and when to push.

(35:55):
Pull is not the answer forevery situation and neither is
pushing.
Yes, predominantly men usepushing, but there's a whole.
There's been a massiveemergence of a whole new
generation of men that actuallyhate the men on this side.
They don't like they don't wantto be one of these males they
are averse to the corporatesystem, they're averse to
marketing, they're averse tomoney, they're averse to

(36:18):
ambition.
So what we're seeing is thatthese men have always been there
in society, but now we'reseeing an emergence of these men
here who are embracing theirfeminine side, which is
wonderful.
But we're not seeing a lot ofmen who are able to integrate
the two.
We're still seeing this, youknow, heavy, masculine,

(36:38):
non-expressive left braindominating others, energy.
And then we've seen this onewhich is too consensus based, is
afraid to lead, afraid to takeresponsibility uh, it's way too
feminine, um, and.
And so it's about how do you,how do you, integrate these two?
And so we've had the pendulum inone direction for so long and

(36:59):
now it's completely swung in theother direction.
In many cases, we've got tojust try and center it somewhere
in the middle uh, integrateelements from both uh and and um
and have men who, who are notjust intuitive and highly
connected within themselves andexpressive, but they can also,
when it's time to lead and whenit's time to fight, and when

(37:20):
it's time to take control andit's time to take responsibility
, they can do that as wellBecause, as I've said to you
time and time again, when timesare prosperous and easy, there
is no need for the man who isgoing to fight and dominate.

Speaker 1 (37:34):
But in times of crisis, you're going to need
these men and we have to be verycareful that we don't strip
them of their masculinity,because the future generations
will pay a price, because therewill be a time of crisis and the
men on the right side are notgoing to rise up.
You know that balance that youjust touched on there.

(37:59):
That is something that I'mseeing more and more and more
today.
And one thing that I'm alsoseeing with the younger
generation and I would love yourinsight or any advice here,
because I'm sure we're going tohave a wide variety of people
here with us with this interview.
I'm seeing a lot of the youngergenerations also coming in and
it's almost like there's acompetition between them.
Who couldn't just care less.
There's almost a sense ofpassivity that's now taking

(38:23):
place, just waiting for thingsjust to be handed to them.
There's no almost.
Where men went from beingworking extremely hard there's
now like, well, how little can Ido for as much as possible.
I'm also seeing this now comingforward and it's actually
ruining their careers.

Speaker 2 (38:50):
Well, it's true, the entitlement culture has
infiltrated our society and oureducation system.
The thing about the human mindthat we need to understand is
that the human mind canrationalize any belief we can In
the person's mind who isentitled.
They can easily justify whythey should be entitled.
They can attribute that to howtheir ancestors were treated.
They can attribute to anythingright, but the reality is that

(39:11):
those who are not big onpersonal accountability have
very difficult lives in the longterm.
That is a fact.
I mean you can act entitled Inthe short to medium term, you
might get more than you deserve,but in the long term, you end
up actually destroying yourcharacter.
So personal accountability isis harder.

(39:33):
It's harder because you know,um, I don't believe in the
victim code mentality and I somepeople think that I'm being a
bit too.
Maybe I'm being too harsh, butthe thing is, what the person
who would accuse me of beingharsh doesn't understand is that

(39:53):
I'm actually saying it fortheir own benefit.
You are diminishing the powerof your own spirit by wanting to
be a victim.
I mean, you can be a victim forthe short term, but when you're
a victim for the long term,that's typically a choice.
So I'm dead against that victimmentality personally and that

(40:15):
lack of personal accountability,because it ruins you.
It actually ruins yourpotential and your capability.
It may make you feel good inthe short to medium term, but
you're creating a very difficultlife for yourself in the long
term.
So, from that perspective, Ithink it's children or young
people.
Youth are very misguided inbelieving that they should be

(40:36):
given things I mean, I'm not infavor of being given a trophy
for participation or things likethat and I think again, all of
this is happening because thereis this belief that this need to
dominate and compete is anegative and toxic
characteristic.
In some situations, yes, butnot in all situations.
Because you think about thefact that we would never see

(40:59):
examples of legendaryperformance in sport, music,
entertainment unless theindividual was highly
competitive and had adomineering streak.
You would not see a person likeSerena Williams, you would not
see a Michael Jordan, you wouldnot see a Michael Jackson.
These people had this need tobe the best.
When we start to tell everybodythat everybody is the same and

(41:20):
everybody should be createdequal again, we're not making
distinctions in thinking.
Yes, everybody is equal when itcomes to the spirit, but when
it comes to the mind.
They're not right.
We should all be created thesame, all human spirit.
Everybody deserves respectbecause of the spirit that they
have, but how, what you do withyour mind will depend on whether

(41:43):
you're not.
You get that respect in thephysical world, so we.
So some forms of discriminationare completely not on.
I mean, you should neverdiscriminate based on gender
color, because those thingspeople can't choose.
But but but it may sometimes benecessary to discriminate based

(42:04):
on something that is a choice.
For example, if I, if you don'tgive me a job at the salary
that I want, should I accuse youof discrimination?
No, I may not be good enough toearn that salary.
Yeah, yeah.
So I'm a big believer.
I I feel that the entitlementmindset, in any of its
manifestation, is highlydestructive to human potential.

(42:26):
But one of my favorite words isthe word earn.
Earn respect, earn influence,earn authority, earn status,
earn money.
Don't expect it for free.
So that's why I talk about menshould be aiming to do the hard
stuff, because of the characterand confidence that it builds,

(42:50):
which then nobody can take awayfrom you if you don't do the
hard stuff and you get the goodstuff, if the good stuff ever
gets taken away from you, youwill find that you will not have
the character of strength to beable to withstand it.

Speaker 1 (43:11):
And I love what you also said there about not
allowing people to stand inplace of being a victim, and I
don't think that you're beingharsh because, honestly, I have
the exact same approach and Ieven wrote about this in many of
my books, where I don't allowpeople to be in that place of
being a victim.
They're needing to understandthat whatever it is that made

(43:31):
them feel like a victim was apassing experience, but that's
in the past now as well.
It doesn't even exist anymoreand people tend to identify
themselves with something thathappened in the past.
It's no longer real if we keepit alive by creating that
identity, but it's a falseidentity that people end up
placing on themselves.
And that identity, of course,you start to live your life from

(43:52):
that place in space.
So of course now you're notaligning yourself with success,
to your greatness, to yourpurpose.
You're doing the actualopposite.
You're deprogramming yourselfto your greatness, to your
purpose.
You're doing the actualopposite.
You're deprogramming yourselffrom your greatness as well.
So that's a tremendouslyimportant point that you made
there as well.

Speaker 2 (44:09):
And how our mind and you perfectly articulate it.
They're just replaying therecording of a past event and
they're attaching their identityAgain.
That's a form of ego.
By the way, any attachment tothe external identity is ego.
Even that is ego.
People don't realize that.

Speaker 1 (44:25):
So you're right.
I love that even being an egois being a victim, because a lot
of people and that's whatpeople do with shame as well I
see people who are very shy.
People say, oh well, they havea low self-esteem, they're very
shy and this and that.
What I'm actually seeing in thereverse of that is actually
someone who is very controllingin terms of how people see them,

(44:45):
so they'd much rather hide andgo into overcompensating of not
being out there with the fear ofbeing judged.
But that's also coming from aplace of ego.
A lot of people see passivityas being a place of
powerlessness, but of course, into a certain degree it is, but
that's also ego well, that'sright and that's why I was
saying that.

Speaker 2 (45:05):
You know, there's a new, there's nuanced thinking
required because in somesituations being passive equals
being calm.
Okay, and it demonstrates aninner character and strength.
In situations, being passivecould indicate neutrality and
lack of courage To know when tobe what comes with experience.

(45:29):
And this is the thing Peoplewant.
Sometimes they want a veryblack and white answer to a very
complex question and sometimesthere isn't.
It comes from experience.
In this situation, it'sperfectly fine for me and
necessary for me to be passive,but in this situation I must be
assertive, right To know that tomake those distinctions come

(45:50):
from experience.
It comes from some trials anderrors.

Speaker 1 (45:54):
But, again.

Speaker 2 (45:55):
The individual who is on the quest for truth and
wisdom will eventually find theanswers to those questions.
Any individual who is notdriven by truth and wisdom will
eventually find the answers tothose questions.
Any individual who is notdriven by truth and wisdom is
not going to experience clarityon those and will live a life of
confusion.

Speaker 1 (46:11):
You know, it's a hit and nail on the head again there
.
And one thing that I'm alsoseeing here, ron, is and I would
love your insight on this,because this is a big problem
that I'm seeing especially inthe male environment with the
careers is especially duringlockdown.
We had now a lot of people alot of time they read books,

(46:36):
they do something that wouldmake them feel, oh wow, now I
can teach someone how to build abusiness.
But they read one book, maybethey did one online course.
Now they're suddenly, they'rean expert and they're marketing
themselves as that, and theinternet is now saturated with
these people who don't reallyknow what they're doing do.
How can we go out there andfind the right mentors and

(46:57):
leaders and supporters anddifferentiate the real deal
between the people who are justnow trying to make it out there,
that's trying to make fastmoney?

Speaker 2 (47:08):
okay, there's always going to be people who are going
to take shortcuts in life, youknow.
But if you fold more than once,then the problem is you.
You don't have the ability tobe able to decipher and
differentiate between those whohave theoretical learning versus
people who've got deepexperience.
And if you're inexperiencedyourself, how are you going to

(47:30):
make that determination Right soyou can have all?
You can have an entire industrydominated by corrupt people or
inauthentic people, but thatdoesn't mean anything.
The people who are fooled arefools.
I'm sorry, but if you, ifyou're fooled over and over

(47:52):
again, you're the fool.
There is a case for people tohave the ability.
It's not easy to fool somebodylike me.
I have experience, I'm athinker, I evaluate things, I
critically, analyze them formyself.
I am highly conscious of beingindoctrinated.

(48:15):
I'm self-aware.
So what we do as a society iswe keep blaming the people who
are fooling, and they alwayswill.
That's just how it is.
If, if world was a big jungle,you're going to have some sheep
and you're going to have somewolves in there, but you can't
keep blaming the wolves foracting like wolves.

(48:35):
At some point you've got towise it up and go.
I mean, how naive are you tothink that the world should have
no wolves in it?
Right to expect that oh, youknow what the people in politics
and people in education andpeople in corporate are always
going to do the right thing byus.
I mean, how naive are you toeven expect that?

(48:58):
That says something about yournaivety more than it says
something about people's lack ofintegrity, right?
and to me again comes back topersonal accountability.
How much are you going to keepblaming people?
It's just the way it is.
The world is very imperfect andit has problems, and your job

(49:18):
is to identify how this worldworks and how life works, how
natural world works, how youwork, and put the odds in your
favor by becoming wise.
You can't police everything inthe world.
You can put all kinds ofregulations in every industry,

(49:39):
it's not going to fix theproblem.
I mean, the financial servicesindustry is notorious for
financial scandals.
And they have, regulation afterregulation after regulation
after regulation.
All that is done, it's made thecost of financial advice
unaffordable for most people.
Now, you can't policeeverything in the world.
It is up to the individual tobecome wise and protect
themselves.
But individuals who refuse tolearn to seek truth and wisdom,

(50:05):
to seek experience, willconstantly remain naive.
And if it's not one person,it's going to be somebody else
that's going to fool them, youknow.
That's why there's a sayingfool me once, shame on you.
Fool me twice, shame on me.

Speaker 1 (50:19):
Exactly, and I think that's also what you said
earlier about importance ofself-mastery, because when we
start that path and you becomeclearer of who you are, you
become clearer of what you alsowant to align with and then
becoming an energetic match tothat and actually just
automatically feeling aligned topeople that will elevate you to

(50:42):
that place where you want to beor what you are looking for to
accomplish or to learn or toeducate yourself in well, that's
right.

Speaker 2 (50:50):
And I think and that's why I keep coming back to
the quest for truth and questfor wisdom it starts with with
the question what is the truth?
Because unless you ask thatquestion, you're never even
going to move towards it, youknow.
That's why you have to be aseeker first.
I mean, I'm a seeker of truthand wisdom, so I'm naturally I
don't take things on face value.
I'm not a highly skepticalperson.

(51:11):
I have a healthy level ofskepticism.
You have to operate, functionwell in the world.
You have to have a reasonablelevel of trust in people.
But you can't be naive.
Again, it's that middle.
You know.
You can be true trusting or betoo skeptical.
And again, most people are againone of those two quadrants,
rather than being in the centerwhere you can evaluate things.

(51:32):
And that's why there is noblack and white answer to some
of life's questions.
It's something that you onlysense and you understand through
diversity of experience.
And you know you can't rely onbooks to give you everything,
because you have to experience.
Experiential learning iseverything you know.
When I embody what I teach,there is a much deeper

(51:54):
connection than if I'm justspeaking from my mind.
See, I'm able to put contextaround what I'm saying, and I'm
able to identify the nuances inwhat I'm saying because it's
coming from a place ofexperience rather than
theoretical learning.
So those who continually optfor theoretical learning and

(52:15):
don't really throw themselvesinto the experience have a fear
of failure.
And unless you're able toconquer that fear of failure,
you'll never deeply integratethe learnings.
And if you can't deeplyintegrate the learnings, you
cannot cause transformation inother people.
Because you're speaking fromthe head, you've got to speak
from the soul, and that's whyexperience is necessary.

Speaker 1 (52:40):
It happens something, really Tell me.

Speaker 2 (52:43):
I just want to quickly add Experience by itself
is not sufficient.
It's experience combined withself-reflection, because a lot
of people are experienced.
They're older than us, they'veexperienced more life.
That doesn't necessarily meanthey're wiser than us.
So it's not experience byitself that makes you wise, it's
reflected experience that makesyou wise.
So when you experiencesomething and then you reflect

(53:03):
on it, that's what makes youwise, and I don't think a lot of
people do that.
And so what they do and theultimate price that they they
pay is that they never get toexperience wisdom.
And if they don't get toexperience wisdom, they remain
in a state of confusion anddoubt, and you know from that
place again, when you're in astate of confusion and doubt,

(53:24):
you're still.
The underlying emotion thatyou're operating from is the
emotion of fear.

Speaker 1 (53:29):
So for me, the quest for wisdom and truth equals
confidence, and that's why, tome, that's the most important
thing that's, and I fully, fullyagree with you, and I want to
ask you do you feel that one ofthe reasons men struggle with
self-reflection is because nowwe go within and it could

(53:51):
potentially mean that there'sthings now that we don't want to
see about ourselves, that we'retrying to avoid, because most
of our lives is set up withcoping mechanisms.
It's set up in a way to be in aplace, in a state of avoidance,
and we have to break thesecycles now of being in this
comfortable place of avoidance,and self-reflection means that

(54:12):
this is already a very potentand powerful step to start to
break these subconsciouspatterning and cycles that we've
set ourselves up for.
Is there any advice that youcan give for men who can, so
that they can start to reflectmore?
Is there any practice that youdo, or meditation that you do,
or a thought process that youeven hold, or affirmations that

(54:36):
you that you would repeat foryourself?

Speaker 2 (54:40):
I do.
But the thing is this if, if,if I, if I tell you what the
practices I do, it doesn'tnecessarily mean that men are
going to apply it.
Young men typically struggle inapplying these practices
because testosterone is rushingthrough their body and when
testosterone is runningexpression through their body,
they're thinking from their body.
They're not really thinking,and so I you know.

(55:01):
And so the first thing is a manhas to understand you know the
function of testosterone becauseit does tend to dominate a
man's thinking if it's not undercontrol.
Now what happens is the youngmen typically don't spend enough
time reflecting because theywant to have sex and they want

(55:22):
to get into fights, becausethere's all this rushing through
their blood, right, a lot ofmen at the same time have
developed bad habits.
They're in an uninspiring jobfor two or three decades.
So at the middle age a lot ofmen have very low testosterone,
so they've got the oppositeproblem.
So here you've got very hightestosterone but not the ability

(55:44):
to channel it, and here you'vegot very low testosterone where
you've actually lost your drivefor life.
So in both situations, boththese men are not going to spend
enough time in self-reflectionbecause they don't even
understand what's happeninginside of them.
They don't even know thattestosterone too much or the
lack of is the issue.
They don't understandbiologically what's happening
inside of them, right?

(56:05):
So the first recognition is thefact that if you have either of
the extreme, you need tounderstand what's actually
happening inside of you,physiologically, biologically,
what's actually happening insideof you.
So I spend time in solitude andyou know, every day I have
spent time in solitude and Inever, ever, feel lonely because
I'm connected within myself.

(56:25):
So the first sign of a man whois, who has a real issue, is
that man who cannot spend timeby himself, he needs to
constantly have some stimulation, whether it's social, it's
online.
He needs physical stimulation.
He's unable to just sit withhimself for long periods of time
.
So if I recommended thepractice of solitude, do you

(56:49):
think a lot of men are going todo it?
No, they're not going to do it.
If their testosterone drive isextremely low or it's excessive,
they're not going to be able todo it, and the reason for that
is they don't have the awarenessto know what's happening.
The other issue that we'refinding now is that one of the
reasons why men don'tself-reflect is because when men
are feeling depressed.
The pornography addiction isvery high now, extremely high.

(57:09):
So a man is then trying to getsome sort of a physical hit or a
dopamine hit by watchingpornography for a short period
of time and rather than sittingin silence and reflecting in
solitude, which is in thebeginning.
It's very difficult because ifyour mind is highly stimulated
and you're constantly either atwork or you're with friends or

(57:31):
you're watching sport, all of asudden just to sit down by
yourself and not do anythingrequires a tremendous amount of
self-control.
So you're going to have allthis.
You know you're going to havean each, you're going to have
this, so you're going to want togo to the fridge and grab
something to eat.
So to be able to sit for longperiods of time is not easy, but
I highly recommend it as apractice, because when a man is

(57:52):
in calm control of himself, heis extremely powerful, and then
he can take that testosterone,he can start to increase its
reserves and he can start toredirect it to more creative
endeavors.
So you know, but that comeswith practice.
First you've got to have thewillingness and you've got to
have the understanding that thisis what's happening inside of

(58:12):
you, and then you've got to havethe desire to be a man who
wants to be in control ofhimself.
I have no desire to controlpeople.
Okay, there are.
There are times when I have tocontrol various functions in
business.
I have to control performance,I have to control behaviors
right but I don't want more thanI have to right.
Okay, in general, for me themain goal is to be in control of

(58:34):
my thoughts, my emotions and mybehaviors self-mastery.
You know, the enemy outside isnothing compared to the enemy
within right and I must conquerthe enemy within first this was
such a powerful interview, rod.

Speaker 1 (58:51):
I know that you are a very busy man, but if I may ask
just one more question is thereany message before I let you go
, any message that you wouldlove to share with men out there
right now who are in business?
Who's just feeling?
You know that feeling thatyou're in your business, you
don't know what's wrong, youjust feel stuck, you're not
happy, you don't feel motivatedanymore.

(59:11):
But we all go through thatphase where we just feel blah,
like we can't put our finger onthat.
What the core issue might beand it's not about what is the
core issue, it's about how canmen perhaps start to move out of
that place of stuckness I findthat one of the ways I have
developed my faculty ofintuition.

Speaker 2 (59:32):
So please understand that as a man especially if
you're an intelligent man, youwill typically would have you
would spend a lot of timedeveloping your intellect.
But to balance that off so thatyou are not getting so stuck in
your own head, you need todevelop your intuitive senses,
and you do that with thepractice of meditation.
So I do what I.
When I do my meditationpractice, what I do is I don't

(59:56):
think of anything.
I allow an infiniteintelligence to drop ideas in my
mind rather than me coming upwith my own ideas.
So there is time that I spendin self-reflection and
strategizing.
There are times when I justreflect in the mode of receiving
.
I just want to receive guidance.
I don't believe that I have allthe answers.
I look at my background and Isee how many mistakes I have

(01:00:17):
made when I've been overlyreliant on my own intellect,
because I think it was Einsteinthat said that the intellect
creates as many problems as itsolves.
So one of the things that menneed to understand is that
intellect is not the answer forevery problem, just like a
hammer is not the only tool youneed to build a house.
Intellect cannot be the solutionto every problem that you have.

(01:00:39):
You need to sometimes tap intoyour intuitive faculties, and
the best method to do that is to, number one, spend time in
solitude and silence in ameditative state.
But secondly, when you do getepiphany moments, to recognize
them and to be grateful for them.
The more you grateful for them,the more you recognize them,
the more you're grateful, themore frequently you're going to
start to get these epiphanymoments and they'll guide you.

(01:01:01):
And so when I am stuck with theproblem where I'm constantly
trying, trying, trying and it'snot going away, it is a perfect,
it's a hint for me that I needto back off from the problem
completely and not use my ownhead to solve it and allow an
intelligence to divinely guideme by making space in my head

(01:01:21):
for it.
Now, minds are too clutteredthat intuitive intelligence
can't work through us.
So that would be the advicethat I would give men who are
intelligent and tend to get intheir own way.

Speaker 1 (01:01:30):
I'm actually going to follow that advice too.
That was wonderful.
Thank you so much, ron, and Iwant to thank you.
Advice too, that was wonderful.
Thank you so much, ron, and Iwant to thank you also for your
time.
Thank you for all the love andthe energy that you pour into
people, because I love that youare also a heart-centered man,
successful man in business, andI love that you're lighting the
way and showing this path andthe possibility of this path to

(01:01:54):
other men as well.
So a deeply thank you foreverything that you also do for
humanity and the contributionthat you bring to the emotional
education not just intellectualeducation, but the emotional
education, because that isfundamentally important and so
direly needed right now.
So I wish we could clone you.
We can have more of you.
And thank you also for teachingother men exactly how to do

(01:02:18):
that as well, with ease and withgrace well, thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:02:20):
thank you for creating a platform, and if it
wasn't for you and yourrecognition of the problem, I
wouldn't have the ability to beable to express what I've
expressed today.
So thank you for creating theplatform and being so.
And there's, as a woman, thefact that you wish to empower
and enable men, and it's a lotof work to organize these events
and get people in.

(01:02:40):
I appreciate the fact thatyou've done that and thank you
for being so positive.
I love the research that youhave done because I have been
studying that for so long andI'm always so disappointed when
people are dismissive of thepower of the metaphysical.
I'm so disappointed howsometimes the people who

(01:03:05):
consider themselves to be highlyrational and scientific are so
quick to dismiss this element ofwhat it?
means of what it means.
It's disappointing because ifmen would just open up their
minds and hearts tounderstanding the metaphysical,
it would just take them to thewhole, a whole new level, and I
speak from experience.
So, uh, I would, uh I guessI'll take the opportunity to

(01:03:28):
tell people who are listening,um, to check out the stuff, the
work that you have done, theresearch that you have done they
have.
It seems to me it doesn't evenmake sense why they've taken
this out of the education system.
But I can attribute a lot of myaccomplishments, my clarity

(01:03:50):
that I have, to an understandingof my metaphysical nature.
So I'll take the opportunity torecommend the fact that people
check out the work that you haveto an understanding of my
metaphysical nature.
So I'll take the opportunity torecommend the fact that people
check out the work that you havedone, and I appreciate that you
invited me on this platform.
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:04:02):
Thank you so much, john.
I look forward to moreinterviews because I love your
mastermind and to also bring outwhat you do for other men there
as well, and hopefully to seeyou one day here in Bali.
I'm very excited.

Speaker 2 (01:04:17):
And a big thank you to.