March 13, 2025 • 53 mins
Join us for an engaging episode of Healers Talk Healing, where we dive into the heart of what fuels our lives: passion. Often thought of as a mere emotion, we’ll explore how passion serves as a compass guiding us in our healing journeys. In conversation, we reflect on the idea that passion extends beyond joy and excitement; it encompasses even the darker emotions, showing that our experiences shape who we are and how we choose to navigate life's complexities.
Throughout the episode, we share personal stories that illustrate how recognizing and embracing passion can lead to deeper self-understanding and more fulfilling lives. We challenge the societal norms that often stifle the expression of genuine passion, encouraging listeners to break free from external expectations and explore what truly resonates within.
Listeners will gain valuable insights on how to tap into their own passions as a source of empowerment and healing. This episode serves as an invitation to reflect on the diverse experiences that contribute to our journeys, emphasizing growth, connection, and authenticity.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome to Healers Talk Healing, the podcast where
we gather to explore the art andscience of holistic healing,
uncovering the secrets to ahappier, healthier you.
I'm your host, nina Ganguly,and together we will delve into
the intriguing world of holistichealing, delving into the
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remedies.
Get ready for enlighteningstories, thought-provoking
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.
Whether you're an experiencedwellness enthusiast or simply
curious about the power ofhealing, join us on this
exhilarating journey as we sharethe wisdom and insights that
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can truly transform your life.
It's time to embark on a voyagetowards a happier, healthier
you.
So, without further ado, let'sdive into the captivating world
of Healers Talk Healing.
Welcome back to another episodeof Healers Talk Healing.
Today, lynn and I are divinginto the transformative power of
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passion, what it truly meansand how it serves as a compass
in our lives.
Inspired by the teachings ofBashar and other renowned
entities, we'll explore howpassion is more than just a
feeling.
It's an essential force rootedin love that drives us forward.
We'll talk about the spectrumof emotions, from divine love to
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fear, and how understandingthis dynamic helps us heal, grow
and uplift ourselves.
Together, we'll reflect on howpassion connects to our thoughts
, actions and the way wenavigate life's complexities.
So join me and Lynn as weembark on this heartfelt
conversation, uncovering theprofound ways passion shapes our
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healing journeys.
Let's get started.
Oh my gosh, we're back again,lynn.
Yes, we are.
The dynamic duo.
That's what I'm going to callus from now on.
What are you going to call this?
The dynamic duo oh, all right,that sounds like a plan I think
you know this year we talkedabout, you know, you and I
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coming together more often tohave some incredible
conversations around whatever isgoing on in our lives, in the
world, in our minds.
You know, healers talk.
Healing is about talking abouteverything and anything within
the realm of living.
I think.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Yes, it's all about life and what we deal with, and
the reality is we deal with somany different things in life,
right?
So, everyone has feelings thatthey explore and they're going
through and working through.
Everyone has these phenomenal,exhilarating, like woohoo, you
know days and experiences thatthey're ready to share with
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everyone.
And the traumas, the challenges, the oh my God, look what
happened to the oh, this is sogreat.
We all experience it.
So healers talk healing istotally about life and how we
choose to experience life, theway in which we um go about
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handling things every day.
It's about our thoughts, ourperspectives, our about our
thoughts, our perspectives, ourfeelings, our actions.
It's about all of those things.
So, when we're talking abouthealing, we're actually talking
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about how we are able to moveforward in our life in such a
way that is always a form ofuplifting who we are, because
the healing is uplifting who weare, because the healing is
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uplifting who we, many peopleknow of, the entity known as
Abraham or as Michael, and so onand so forth, and so I was
listening to a YouTube videothat he did and he was talking
about passion, and as he wastalking about it, I was like,
well, that's the exactdefinition of passion, and, and
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so here is my take on on thatpassion is actually a feeling,
and we only we have an, in truth, two emotions, what feels like
two emotions, but the onlyemotion in actuality is that of
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love, and it has, on one side ofthe spectrum, divine love.
On the other end of thespectrum, it can be fear and all
these different, uh, aspectsbetween, but we feel them okay
as being in love, or lovingsomething, or hating something,
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or in being anxious, or havinggrief, or having depression, or
being in exhilaration, orexcitement, or happiness, or
whatever.
It is Okay, all right.
So passion, as he described it,or as it I'm going to use the
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word it, they as they describedit Okay is actually something
that is a choice that we havepassionate feelings about in
every single moment.
That's how I interpreted itfrom what he was saying.
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That means that if you, in thismoment, are considering a choice
between seeing a family memberversus seeing a friend, at this
exact moment, you may not beable to see them both at the
same time because they're in,they're in completely different
places.
The choices that you make onwhat you would do is based on
how you feel and if you can makea choice based on how good you
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feel, who would I feel who?
Who do I feel like being around?
You know, sometimes we'll saythat who do I feel like being
around?
Hmm, well, if I'm around myrelative, you know they love me
and they support me and that'swonderful and it's warm and cozy
.
If I'm with my friend, we canreally hang, we commiserate with
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each other.
We know how to just you know wecan really hang, we commiserate
with each other.
We know how to just you know weget each other and that's also
a great feeling.
Who do I want to see at thismoment where I will feel so open
, so elevated, so me and how I'mchoosing to express myself in
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this very moment?
You know what I'm going to gosee my family.
In that choice.
That's the passion, theconnecting with how you're
feeling and the way that youwant to continue to be held up
or supported.
That's the choice you make outof what we call passion, that
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feeling of passion.
It's a passionate move Becauseit's something that you know
will make you feel better whenyou're feeling down, you want
comfort and so forth.
What do most people say?
I want my mommy, it doesn'tmatter how old you are or
someone who is mommy-like,mommy-esque, right, because you
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want to feel better.
That feeling better, that beinguplifted, is a choice that you
make from a place of passion.
In that time, in that space, inthat moment, you are passionate
about doing that thing.
And so that's how, as, as youknow, as I have interpreted what
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he was saying, or they weresaying, um, to be in your
passion, to live your passion isto now consciously be aware of
not only how you choose to goalong your life path, live what
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you determine as your lifepurpose.
All of this is from passion.
What I am drawn to, what I ammoved to, what I am compelled to
do Okay, move to what I amcompelled to do Okay.
All of those are ways todescribe how we can connect with
our passion, that deeperfeeling of fully expressing
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ourself and being who we are.
But even beyond that, ineverything that we choose, in
between every goal that we make,choose in between every goal
that we make, every thought thatwe have, we come to a place
where we choose from our passionat all times.
Sometimes, that passion caneven be a feeling that is so
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moving and so deep.
It may be something that takesus into despair or into
depression.
It's still a feeling of passion, but most often we don't want
to experience that.
Okay, well, let me back up.
Some people most often may notwant to experience that.
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Some people have moved into thehabit of the only way they feel
that they're alive or they'reliving in a moment of passion is
if it is some of those othervibrational feelings like, again
, grief or anger or fear ordespair, depression, whatever it
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is, and that that is still aform of passion and it's feeling
strong.
It's, it's a sense of feelingsomething, being alive.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
Okay, what I have some questions about that and
thoughts.
Well, I this is a newconversation for me, because I
never really saw passion fromthat perspective and so what
happens in that context thatyou've that's been, that you've
created and that you've heardfrom Bashar?
What about those people who saythey don't know what their
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passion is?
They don't know what theirpassion is, they don't know what
their purpose is, and they feellike they're kind of just
floating around.
Where is their passion in that?
Or is that the choice thatthey're making to be in this
state of flux?
Speaker 2 (11:17):
So that's a good question.
Again, I can speak from myperspective and my perspective
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in terms of what flows throughme.
People think neutrality isboring, because what do you mean
it being neutral?
I got to feel something well inthat place of not being sure of
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your purpose or your life pathor what have you.
You may very well be in a placewhere you're very neutral,
quite honestly, as to adirection you go in.
Where passion comes in is whereyou connect with the inner
beingness of self and ask whatdo I choose to express that's
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within me to the world, and inwhat way do I receive the most
joy?
Most people would say happinessor excitement or thrilled about
OK, and when you can, when youcan move into that place of how
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do I choose?
How do I want to fully expressmyself?
Is it in a very colorful way?
Is it in a very creative way?
Is it in a very serious way?
Is it in a way of being thecool nerd?
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Is it in the way of being theintellectual scholar?
Is it in the way of just beingthe goofball?
All of it is cool, it's fine,it's wonderful.
That's a choice that you youmake, connecting with how you,
from the deepest part of you aremost thrilled I'm going back
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into feeling talk but are mostthrilled to express that, make
you feel good about you.
Ok, it can be the sassy girl,it can be the cool dude.
You know what?
What makes you feel passionateabout how you choose to express
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yourself?
So once you kind of connectwith that a little bit, then you
can go into what are the thingsthat I have experienced in this
world or that I have perceivedthat have made me feel really
great, that I want to do becauseI'm now moved in some way to
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use my form of expression to dothat, use my form of expression
to do that, to be the attorney,to be the comedian, to be the
massage therapist, to be, youknow, and maybe it's something
that is like saying, oh, I wantto be a healer, I want to help
people.
Okay, well, there's so manyways in which to help people.
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Well, there's so many ways inwhich to help people.
So, based on how you choose toexpress yourself and that makes
you feel good in the way thatyou express yourself, what do
you see that just resonates withyou, that makes you feel good?
And typically it comes fromsome kind of experience that
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we've had when we were younger.
It comes from some kind ofexperience that we've had when
we were younger.
I was listening to Gad.
I forget his first name.
He's a comedian, g-a-d.
Look up his last name, y'allwill know who I'm talking about.
I was watching him beinginterviewed and he said that
from the challenges and traumawhen he was a little boy and
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seeing his mom sad and becauseof his own sense of he was he
body shamed and self-debasedhimself.
Ok, it's self-debasement, butwhen he would make jokes or act
funny, it made his mom smile andlaugh.
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And then he started.
He saw some comedian orsomething on television, little
boy, and he said I know it was.
He said it was Aladdin and thegenie Robin Williams.
And just so funny, he saidthat's what I want to do.
In that moment he experiencedthat sense of I love how I can
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make my mom feel when she'slaughing.
I love how this person, thisgenie, it makes me feel just
talking, I'm giggling about it.
That's what I want to do now.
He consciously made thatdecision, but it became.
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That was his passion and how hechose to heal not only himself
but others, and I'm using him asa direct example.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
Yeah, I think I know who you're talking about.
I believe I heard that storysomewhere along the line as well
.
I think what's interesting iswhen I'm hearing you speak, I'm
thinking about, I'm hearingwords like self expression and
you know finding joy, and I'mthinking about you know my own
journey, you know coming towhere I am today and it's and
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it's not like it's not like this.
The journey is not never likethat.
I've been all over the place,all around jumping all you know
through hoops, and I think oneof the things, the inquiries
that I've been in, or I startedin when I thought about my own
passions, was like but who am I?
First, because I didn't, Ididn't really know who I was.
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And when I'm listening to, I'mhearing a bit of like.
There's that self-discovery of,well, who are you and what do
you want?
And I remember talking to one ofmy friends a couple of years
ago.
I went to visit her in Bali andone of the things she said was
well, what do you want?
You know we were just havingthis conversation but, like,
what do you want?
Put aside everybody else'sneeds for a moment, everybody
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else's input, whatever peoplethink, what is it that you want
now, in this moment, andhonestly, that point, I was like
that's a good question, that'sreally a good question.
But once I answered thatquestion for myself, I think
everything that I've done sincethen, um and like it's a it's a
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back and forth pendulum isaligned with what do I want?
Because what do I want kind ofis like it, kind of I guess it's
like this relationship ofchicken and egg who do I want to
be?
What do I want from that?
Who do I want to be, orwhichever dictates something.
I've always known that I wasalways someone who was creating
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a space for people to be whoeverthey needed to be.
That's from when I was young,but I didn't know, like, how do?
How am I taking this into mylife here now?
And my passion is definitely toserve, and in many different
ways.
It's not just as a Reiki masteror a life coach or, you know, a
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strategist for businesses.
There's so many different waysto serve and I think that truly
actually, now that I'm talkingabout it, really is my passion
is to be in service when Ichoose, okay, when I choose to
be in service.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
Okay, but you're in service all the time.
It's not something you go inand out of, all right.
So, first of all, yes, it is.
Everyone says, okay, who am I?
Well, the real truth andessence of who you are is you
are a light being.
There's nothing more than that.
It's not that complicated.
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You are a light being, andyou're a light being that has
many different facets, like apolished diamond or even a rough
diamond.
When you take a rough diamondand you polish it, it reflects
light from so many differentdirections.
Does that make it any different?
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Because it's polished andreflecting more light than when
it was in its raw form?
No, it's all of the essence ofthat, has always been there.
So that's who you really are.
So that's why I ask thequestion how do you choose to
express yourself?
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Do you choose to express theblue tones, the purple tones,
the orange or red tones?
How do you choose to expressyourself?
And that does change over time,little by little, and
oftentimes it's based on thechoices you make at every single
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moment, every single moment.
I remember thinking back when Iwas six years old and I was at
my grandmother's house and shewas like don't you play with
that ball in the house?
Because you don't play withthat ball in the house?
Because don't play with thatball in the house because you're
going to break something.
Ok, nana, I won't.
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Of course, I wanted to playwith the ball and I asked her
can I go outside and play withthe ball.
No, no, no.
If you go outside, you need tohave one of us, one of the
adults, be with you.
So, no, you can't go out byyourself.
Okay, I'm sitting on the couchand I'm waiting and I'm waiting,
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ball in my lap, and I'm waiting, and I'm waiting.
And when can we go outside?
I'm going to play with my ball.
Oh, I have to cook first.
I have to do that.
You know what adults will do.
And finally, my sister.
She comes downstairs and I sayYvette, here, catch the ball.
And I throw the ball and ofcourse it hits one of her nice,
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beautiful crystal lamps andbreaks, falls and shatters.
That was a choice I made inthat moment, because the passion
was to be joyful, to play, tohave fun.
In that moment.
That's what I was passionateabout.
you see what I mean yeahunderstanding that once it broke
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oh, there are consequences,right?
And boy did I get theconsequence for having done that
.
She was a no-nonsense, you know, I'm going to take care of your
behind.
Didn't particularly like theexhilaration of playing and
being joyful, and expressingthat part of myself was more
important to me than getting aspanking, getting a spanking.
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And so, from then on, therewere many choices I made so that
I could be, you know, happy andplayful and joyful.
Of course, moving forward, manyof those choices still resulted
in a spanking, until what endedup happening was the essence of
my joy, or my spirit, reallydiminished.
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And I, completely a person who Ican be serious, but I really do
like to have fun, and my kidsalways say how corny I am and
everything else.
But that is how.
That is what brings me greatjoy and I am passionate about
those things, and at this pointin my life, I don't care if
other people respond to it ornot, it just feels good for me.
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So that's what I mean by how doyou choose to first express
yourself, every experience wehave in life, if what you choose
are those things that make youfeel love and joy and
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exhilaration, and for me also,it's growth, continuing to grow
and expand and experience allthe wonderfulness of the
universe that's actually veryeffervescent and kind of tickly
and all of those things.
Then how do you channel thatinto your path, into your
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purpose?
And sometimes, even if we'renot sure what that is and you're
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a single mom or you are a verygood worker, or whatever it may
be the purpose where your senseof expression inspires,
motivates, changes other peoplearound you that do some
magnificent things that you maynever really know about, learn
about, hear about, I think aboutthe teachers who say to those
those lovely young ones you know, you are smart, you are
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beautiful, oh, what a darlingchild you are.
Just those words can lightenthat, that human being, that
that soul, to feel so great andgo oh, okay.
And we've all heard severalstories where that has changed
literally people's lives becauseit changes their perspective
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about themselves.
So you may not have a specificpurpose in mind or you may not
know what it is, you may notknow what your path is, but you
have someone who calls you thatsays you know what?
We're having an afternoon teaat our social club and we would
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love for you to come and justtalk about your experience in
terms of what you've done tohelp take care of your elders.
And you stand up and you talkand people are like, oh, that
was marvelous.
Oh my God, that was soheartfelt, I didn't know what to
do.
You really helped, give medirection.
Dah, dah, dah, dah dah.
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You may not think anything of it.
Certainly you never thoughtabout being a speaker, or maybe
you hadn't thought about yourpart of your purpose or your
path as being one that helps inthe geriatric care field or
whatever it may be.
But then you find someonesaying I'd love for you to speak
at my such and such oh, and,before you know it, many people
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find this to be true in theirlives.
You are just naturally likeflowing in a direction you may
not have consciously chosen.
Well, okay, I started this joband that kind of led me to this
and then that led me to that.
So I guess I'm going to do this, okay, but the whole while it
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has been part of your purposefuljourney.
You just have not beenconscious of it, so you don't
have to go looking for it andseeking it and wringing your
hands around it and, oh my god,I don't know what to do.
I'm just going to stay in myroom until I understand what it
is.
No, you live your life and asyou live your life and as you
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live your life, you're makingchoices, and every choice you
make is based on some type of avery movable feeling that is
passion.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
I'm really looking, I'm hearing you talk and I'm
seeing the snippets of my lifein which it was like oh, this,
just this just happened, andthen then this just happened,
and then it just just happened,and it's.
It's funny when I startedpodcasting and people would say
this is what you're supposed tobe doing, this is this is where
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you seem to to be fullyexpressed and I'm thinking I'm
just talking, so why not get onin front of a camera and talk to
people?
I do love talking and engagingand I love the intellect of it.
I love learning.
I am an avid learner, for sure,and I like to then teach what I
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learn.
I'm not somebody who likes togatekeep and keep stuff to
myself, so of and I like to thenteach what I learn.
I'm not somebody who likes togatekeep and keep stuff to
myself, so, of course, I want toshare, but I'm just it's all
piecing together and I hope forour listeners or those who are
watching there they're startingto maybe just take a look in the
rear view for a second to thinkoh right, Look at all these
serendipitous things that havehappened over time, that have
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led me to where I am now and youknow, like even our
relationship.
We met on a different projectand who knew that it would
blossom into where we are nowand I'm thrilled to what has
opened up for us through ourpartnership and connection.
And who would have thought?
Speaker 2 (30:02):
Yes, who would have thought?
Who would have thought?
And as you're talking, it'strue, and as I often tell people
, everything that you haveexperienced in life has been
critical to where you are now,and don't think anything at any
point has been a waste of time,a waste of energy or a waste at
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all, because those choices thatyou have made have led you to
where you are now.
Had you made different choicesat every single turn, at every
path, you would be doingsomething different.
But would it be any less valid,valuable and enlightening?
No, it wouldn't have been anyless than that.
It's just that you make thesechoices and every choice you
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make always know it's from alevel of passion.
You know you become consciousof that.
Then you start to becomeconscious of various things I
was just going to share realquickly, just to piggyback on
what you said.
You know I think about my ownlife and how I've always been
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passionate about dance, movementand and ballet.
Um, what I was doing, that andthen which also moved me into
jazz, a little bit of moderndance, that was years before hip
hop, so I can't claim that, butum, um was my, is the way I
chose to express myself to theworld, okay, and we all have
something.
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We just need to, like, tap intothat.
But from that became, oh no, Iwant to be wealthy.
So, no, from that came, yeah, Iwant to be wealthy.
My uncle was a very.
He was a doctor who ownedseveral women's clinics, on so
forth.
I'm like, oh, I'm gonnapiggyback off of what he's doing
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.
He's an OBGYN, I'll be apediatrician and I've always
loved science.
So that made sense to me UntilI started working in his office
when I was a teenager and I went, well, maybe not.
And then I moved into somethingelse, that again just very
naturally, with some friends,and it dealt with politics.
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And I'm like, oh, I'll be anattorney.
And, yes, that's what I went tocollege for, that's what I
studied for, that's what youknow I did until I realized I
don't want to do that.
I just wanted to make money.
But I'm not.
It's not what I'm feeling.
Were those all wrong choicesalong the way?
No, and what I did connect with, which I always knew and had a
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connection with, wasspirituality and religions and
world religions and worldcultures and all of those things
.
That's where where I feeluplifted and that's what I moved
into.
Um, but before getting there, Imoved into finance.
Of course, I was focused onmoney, so I moved into finance,
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and I did that for a period oftime and realized, no, that
wasn't the right direction forme either.
However, the one thread wasalways spirituality, healing
service and so on.
That was always kind of thethread.
So now the Miracles, ultimateWellness Resources is born, and
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you know what do I do?
Well, of course, that makerunning a business takes
financial know-how.
You know, it is a businessaround healing and growth and
those kinds of things, and it isextremely creative, which,
instead of dancing my mycreative chops, happen in the
business itself.
And so was any of that a waste?
Speaker 1 (33:44):
No, I totally, I see it.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
And that's a path I was on my life, path and purpose
, even though it's like, well,aren't you going to stick with
something?
I'm like?
Speaker 1 (33:57):
You know, I owned a retail store for a while which
was part of the spiritual aspect, but all of that part of the
path, so important for people tohear about the part of the path
because you know I come from acultural background is like you
choose something, you stick toit, you stay safe, you make
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money, you stay secure andthat's what you do now, that's
the programming yeah, that isnot the message that was given
to me.
I'm very blessed.
Even in all of the craziness ofmy life, I was always just told
do what you love, but give ityour all.
So if you choose that you lovethis, give it your all, and if
you don't love this anymore,then find something that you can
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give it your all.
So that's.
I've been very, very blessedand lucky.
But not everyone gets thatsupport.
That's true Family to say, oh,you don't want to be a doctor,
what is that you want to do?
Oh, you want to create art?
Sure, no problem.
That's unheard of in in mycultural background.
(35:01):
Okay, so I think it's importantfor those who are listening to
as parents, because I knowparents just want their kids to
be stable, to be able to paytheir bills, to a safe and
secure and a life they surviveyes, it's true, right, you know
it's.
You know, and especially whenyou come from a cultural
background of survival like youhave, as you can understand,
(35:24):
right, there's survival, butthere's, there's, there can be a
passion in survival.
I guess, if you're looking atthe choices that you're making,
innovation of yourself-expression, it's okay to
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move through things, and I'mspeaking to parents, because
parents have a dream and avision for their children.
They're passionate about it,but there's something to be said
about your child's own passions, and allowing the
self-expression of their ownpassions will bring them what it
is you want for them well,exactly, and and here you're.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
You're so right on.
Most of the dreams that parentshave for their children are the
unfulfilled dreams that parentshad for themselves 100 and when
a parent is willing to fully letgo of that and see their child,
(36:26):
and in seeing their childopening the doors for their
children to explore all theopportunities that that child
can explore, then the child isable to make a decision about
what they really want to do.
And when they do, then they'reable to move through those doors
(36:53):
.
When my oldest daughter wasvery young, she loved gymnastics
.
We had her and I put her ingymnastics because I'm like, oh,
this child is, you know, asmany parents say, a little
monkey, climbing everything andflipping over the couches and
everything else.
I'll put her in gymnastics andshe did well, but in her
(37:15):
situation her legs got so manybone spurs that she couldn't.
They were.
It was just painful at night.
It was just too painful.
I had to pull her out and evento this day she's like why did
you pull me out?
I just love gymnastics.
Yes, I know you did, but yourbody was growing and your bones
were not able to not spurs asplit you know, like charlie.
(37:40):
Charlie, horses are part of, um,uh, can be bone splinters and
it's the tearing of the muscleswhich is part of what happened
with athletes also to help bulkthem up and make them stronger.
She couldn't handle it, it wasjust too painful and I said I
can't see you doing this.
So then it looked like you know, she expressed she was
(38:01):
interested in acting.
I'm like, okay so, of a studentof mine who, uh, was an actor
and also a dancer.
He uh, uh, worked with her andmy niece and a good friend of
theirs, creating, having themcreate their own story script
when they were eight, and thenacting it out and doing certain
(38:26):
things.
Anyway, long story short.
Um, when she went to middleschool, she got into the acting
class in seventh grade.
Most of the time you couldn'tdo it till ninth grade, but it
just happened.
See how the universe opens thedoors when you're ready for
something.
They didn't have enough kidsfor the acting class, so they
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took four or five from theseventh grade who were able to
get into the acting class.
From there.
She decided she wanted to go toboarding school, to this high
school boarding school foracting, and I said, yes, you can
(39:09):
do that If you write me a paperon why you want to go, what
your passion is in terms ofacting, I'm like you, give me an
affirmative, you know, solidargument as to why we should
send you to boarding school todo that.
And I said, yeah, you know,we'll take a look at it and that
can happen if that's what youwant.
(39:30):
Of course, my husband saidabsolutely not.
Speaker 1 (39:36):
I'm laughing because I've done that with my children
when they ask for things, I'mlike can you please write me an
essay as to why you think youneed to have it?
Yeah, it's like you know.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
I want to know what you know, where you are
emotionally, where you are inyour heart and how you're
thinking about it and perceivingit Right.
So, anyway, it didn't happen.
She didn't go to boardingschool, but instead she did find
a very good school here in LA.
That's actually the sisterschool to the school in New York
(40:06):
that the movie fame was um, um,um emulated from.
Uh, her school does the samething fame.
Fame does and did but, and youhad to audition to get in, and
so I supported her along the way.
(40:26):
You know she had acting coach,she passed her audition, she was
one out of, she was.
There were 100 kids theyselected out of I think 1500 or
whatever it was at that time.
And she went through, shegraduated, she went to colleges
that she had to audition for andhave a 3.0 GPA as a minimum,
(40:46):
and she did that and gotaccepted into three, into two,
was waitlisted into one, and sothat was her path.
And what is she doing now?
She's in production because shewants to be, she's on a path of
being a producer.
She's in production because shewants to be, she's, she's,
she's on a path to being aproducer.
She decided that it wasn'tstable enough and that in
(41:06):
between time you know she has tofile for unemployment waiting
for the next gig, and she's likeoh no, mom, I can't.
Speaker 1 (41:16):
I need to have something a little more steady.
But doing production andproducing gives her the that I'm
not passionate about.
Speaker 2 (41:20):
I need to have something a little more steady.
But doing production andproducing gives her the
opportunity and she also writesand so forth, scripts and so
forth Gives her a chance tostill act when she wants to, but
she's able to do so much moreand it's broadened her.
Speaker 1 (41:38):
And I really do hope people hear something for
themselves about the that andpassion.
And you know, all we want inlife truly is to be well, not
all.
One of the biggest things wewant in life is to be truly, I
think, self-expressed, allowingour authentic, authentic self to
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show up, and a lot of thejourneys that I hear people who
are looking for healing andlooking for coaching and and you
know, in this world, in thisrealm that we're in, in this
sphere that we're in, is they'relooking for that like, how do I
find my own self expression?
I can see now in ourconversation about how you know
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that passion and you know whenyou were saying the word passion
and a lot of people thinkpassion is like, uh, like you
said, joy and uplifting and it'slike being driven by something
to do something.
So it's like I can bepassionate about something
that's going on in the world andit doesn't look like it's
joyous or exciting and it's likemore like a soapbox and I'm on
(42:45):
a soapbox and I'm saying what Ineed to say, but that's driven
by a passion for something else.
Right, if I am talking aboutwomen's rights and I'm getting
upset about something that'shappening in the world, or
children's rights, or fastfashion or whatever it could be,
it's because passion that'sunderlying something about.
(43:06):
For me, I think it would besomething about serving humanity
right.
Speaker 2 (43:10):
And so the passion is the feeling, and the underlying
aspect of it is how do I chooseto express myself in the world?
And then you, consciously, ifyou will look at all the choices
(43:33):
you have and how to do that.
You can be an activist behind abullhorn, you can be an
attorney, you can be apolitician, you can be a
motivational speaker, you can besomeone who tells story and
entertainment in reference tothat.
There are many, many paths, andthat's where you get a chance
(43:55):
to consciously choose what do Ifeel most good about in the way
that I express myself and thepassion I have for, you know,
uplifting, for uplifting myself,uplifting others.
(44:17):
And again, that can come fromanger and it can come from
exhilaration.
It can come from great joy Joyis actually more of an emotion
along that emotional scale thana feeling but it can come from
great happiness and it can comefrom guilt or grief, but
(44:38):
nonetheless, or grief, butnonetheless it's still an
element of passion that doesmove us, and not all passion is
strongly moving, but it's stillmoving.
It's something that still movesus to take action or where we
consider what do we want to doabout it.
And then that leads me to.
(44:59):
If you're complaining aboutsomething, then if you are to.
If you're complaining aboutsomething, then if you are
caught up in the passion ofcomplaining, what is it that's
really disturbing you most?
Why is it disturbing you?
And if there was a solution toit, is that one that you would
like to participate in?
(45:20):
Some people just like it, justfor the sake of the drama?
Yes, there is an addiction and,as I used to tell my children,
who would fall out if I said no,sometime, don't, don't give me
the drama and don't play it outin your life like this.
Put it on stage, put it outthere.
(45:41):
You want to be in drama.
Put the drama out there don'tdo this.
Speaker 1 (45:49):
So, anyway, we talk about drama because there's so
many things I've learned aboutaddictions to different types of
drama, uh, and those dopaminehits, and that's a whole another
conversation.
But you know, I think I, I thinkit's, it's beautiful to see and
to hear what you said about howdo I want to show up in the
world today.
(46:10):
It could be different tomorrow.
Today I want to show up, as youknow, the person who stays in
bed wears my pajamas and is allgood with that, and I'm take
care of my mental health, andtomorrow I'll show up, maybe
differently, maybe not, whoknows, but it comes from a place
deep inside of and you justtake a moment, I think, if we
(46:35):
took a moment just to listen andfeel and connect to what that
place is, and I got somethingelse out of the conversation,
which is we're all light, sowe're all beaming, something
always.
So you know, if, if you trulyare in a space where like, okay,
(46:55):
lynn and Nina, blah, blah, blah, yeah, passion, yeah, oh, it's
just going to show up about it,take a moment and just be still
about it and I'm laughingbecause even in what you just
said, there, there was passion.
Speaker 2 (47:11):
There was passion in, in, in being, in that place of.
I don't want to believe it, Idon't want to deal with it, I
don't want to do it.
I'm just feeling what I'mfeeling and I'm gonna feel it,
and nobody's gonna tell meanything different.
Well, you're passionate aboutmaking that choice at that
moment and the reality isthere's nothing wrong with that.
You will be moved.
(47:32):
When you're moved to move, whenthere is another choice before
you or you're ready to makeanother choice, it will present
itself and then you'll make thatchoice and you'll you'll move
into another place.
Yeah, wrong the word wrong.
Speaker 1 (47:47):
The word, the connotation of something is
wrong when you're not where youwant to be or you're not showing
up as who you would like toshow up as there.
We we have this language thatwe use and are the language.
Speaker 2 (48:04):
The language, the languaging that we use is so
inadequate which you've you youpersonally have heard me say
that many times it, thelanguaging around it is so
inadequate.
Let's just take the word wrongout of the vocabulary, because
(48:24):
there is no wrong and actuallythere's no right.
It just is what it is.
And do we have the right tomake choices?
Yes, can we make choices basedon, in that moment, how we feel?
Absolutely, we do it all thetime, unconsciously.
(48:46):
Can we make a choice based onhow we choose to feel if we're
feeling low, how we choose toremain if we're feeling high?
Absolutely, we have that choiceand that's when we start
becoming more conscious of thechoice and through those choices
(49:08):
and the passion, in that way,you are already on your life
path period.
There are many ways to manypaths to get to your life
purpose or to be on your lifepurpose.
It's not even to get to it,you're already on it anyway.
Speaker 1 (49:28):
Yeah, okay Like.
I think, that's what we need tojust like.
Okay, you're already on yourpath.
Part of this ruminating thethinking, the wondering is part
of the process.
Speaker 2 (49:43):
It's part of the process, and I'd love to tell
people to stop Stop thinking,stop ruminating, stop.
This is where presence, beingpresent, comes into play,
because when you're very present, there are always choices
before you.
You make the choice and youunderstand that there are a
million pathways for you to stayand be on your purpose, because
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you are already, but you maynot understand it, you may not
cognitively be aware of it, youmay not be able to express it,
it may not look the way youthink it should look or you've
dreamt about, and oftentimesthat's influenced by our
programming, anyway, not reallywhere we may want to be.
(50:29):
Okay, all of those things.
And so we are always tryingthat's the word trying to get
there well, you're already there.
Speaker 1 (50:43):
You can't you can't.
Speaker 2 (50:46):
How can one try to be in a female body or a male body
?
I'm really trying to be in afemale body.
I'm already in a female body.
Now, for those spiritual beingsthat feel they are not in the
(51:06):
right body, you're not trying tobe in a female body.
If you were born into a malebody, you are choosing at any
given moment in time to say I ama female in terms of female
energy principle.
(51:28):
That is how I choose to expressmyself in this world and I
choose to then have the externalaspect of my body reflect who I
am fully.
What a beautiful.
I choose to stay in the malebody and still express myself
(51:51):
fully the way I choose.
But you're not trying to be you, because you already are I
think that's a powerfulstatement for us.
Speaker 1 (52:05):
To just end at this point like you are not.
I'm going to repeat it just incase.
I want to hear that you're nottrying to be anything.
You are the thing, person, thebeing that you are.
That's wonderful.
(52:26):
Thanks, lynn.
We are going to be doing thismore often.
So, while we are so happy tohighlight the healers within our
network and if you are a healerlistening to this and you're
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Go to our website, check us out.
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Come on in and join us.
We'd love to have you there.
And those of you who arethinking well, I'm not a healer,
I want to be part of theconversation.
Well, you know what?
There's something out there foryou too.
So just hop on, check us out,send us messages.
We're here to help you andsupport you.
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Thank you so much for listeningto us Until next time.
Speaker 2 (53:13):
Bye for now.
Speaker 1 (53:14):
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Welcome back to another episodeof Healers Talk Healing.
Today, lynn and I are divinginto the transformative power of
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passion, what it truly meansand how it serves as a compass
in our lives.
Inspired by the teachings ofBashar and other renowned
entities, we'll explore howpassion is more than just a
feeling.
It's an essential force rootedin love that drives us forward.
We'll talk about the spectrumof emotions, from divine love to
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fear, and how understandingthis dynamic helps us heal, grow
and uplift ourselves.
Together, we'll reflect on howpassion connects to our thoughts
, actions and the way wenavigate life's complexities.
So join me and Lynn as weembark on this heartfelt
conversation, uncovering theprofound ways passion shapes our
(01:50):
healing journeys.
Let's get started.
Oh my gosh, we're back again,lynn.
Yes, we are.
The dynamic duo.
That's what I'm going to callus from now on.
What are you going to call this?
The dynamic duo oh, all right,that sounds like a plan I think
you know this year we talkedabout, you know, you and I
(02:11):
coming together more often tohave some incredible
conversations around whatever isgoing on in our lives, in the
world, in our minds.
You know, healers talk.
Healing is about talking abouteverything and anything within
the realm of living.
I think.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Yes, it's all about life and what we deal with, and
the reality is we deal with somany different things in life,
right?
So, everyone has feelings thatthey explore and they're going
through and working through.
Everyone has these phenomenal,exhilarating, like woohoo, you
know days and experiences thatthey're ready to share with
(02:53):
everyone.
And the traumas, the challenges, the oh my God, look what
happened to the oh, this is sogreat.
We all experience it.
So healers talk healing istotally about life and how we
choose to experience life, theway in which we um go about
(03:17):
handling things every day.
It's about our thoughts, ourperspectives, our about our
thoughts, our perspectives, ourfeelings, our actions.
It's about all of those things.
So, when we're talking abouthealing, we're actually talking
(03:38):
about how we are able to moveforward in our life in such a
way that is always a form ofuplifting who we are, because
the healing is uplifting who weare, because the healing is
(04:04):
uplifting who we, many peopleknow of, the entity known as
Abraham or as Michael, and so onand so forth, and so I was
listening to a YouTube videothat he did and he was talking
about passion, and as he wastalking about it, I was like,
well, that's the exactdefinition of passion, and, and
(04:29):
so here is my take on on thatpassion is actually a feeling,
and we only we have an, in truth, two emotions, what feels like
two emotions, but the onlyemotion in actuality is that of
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love, and it has, on one side ofthe spectrum, divine love.
On the other end of thespectrum, it can be fear and all
these different, uh, aspectsbetween, but we feel them okay
as being in love, or lovingsomething, or hating something,
(05:15):
or in being anxious, or havinggrief, or having depression, or
being in exhilaration, orexcitement, or happiness, or
whatever.
It is Okay, all right.
So passion, as he described it,or as it I'm going to use the
(05:35):
word it, they as they describedit Okay is actually something
that is a choice that we havepassionate feelings about in
every single moment.
That's how I interpreted itfrom what he was saying.
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That means that if you, in thismoment, are considering a choice
between seeing a family memberversus seeing a friend, at this
exact moment, you may not beable to see them both at the
same time because they're in,they're in completely different
places.
The choices that you make onwhat you would do is based on
how you feel and if you can makea choice based on how good you
(06:40):
feel, who would I feel who?
Who do I feel like being around?
You know, sometimes we'll saythat who do I feel like being
around?
Hmm, well, if I'm around myrelative, you know they love me
and they support me and that'swonderful and it's warm and cozy
.
If I'm with my friend, we canreally hang, we commiserate with
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each other.
We know how to just you know wecan really hang, we commiserate
with each other.
We know how to just you know weget each other and that's also
a great feeling.
Who do I want to see at thismoment where I will feel so open
, so elevated, so me and how I'mchoosing to express myself in
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this very moment?
You know what I'm going to gosee my family.
In that choice.
That's the passion, theconnecting with how you're
feeling and the way that youwant to continue to be held up
or supported.
That's the choice you make outof what we call passion, that
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feeling of passion.
It's a passionate move Becauseit's something that you know
will make you feel better whenyou're feeling down, you want
comfort and so forth.
What do most people say?
I want my mommy, it doesn'tmatter how old you are or
someone who is mommy-like,mommy-esque, right, because you
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want to feel better.
That feeling better, that beinguplifted, is a choice that you
make from a place of passion.
In that time, in that space, inthat moment, you are passionate
about doing that thing.
And so that's how, as, as youknow, as I have interpreted what
(08:30):
he was saying, or they weresaying, um, to be in your
passion, to live your passion isto now consciously be aware of
not only how you choose to goalong your life path, live what
(08:51):
you determine as your lifepurpose.
All of this is from passion.
What I am drawn to, what I ammoved to, what I am compelled to
do Okay, move to what I amcompelled to do Okay.
All of those are ways todescribe how we can connect with
our passion, that deeperfeeling of fully expressing
(09:13):
ourself and being who we are.
But even beyond that, ineverything that we choose, in
between every goal that we make,choose in between every goal
that we make, every thought thatwe have, we come to a place
where we choose from our passionat all times.
Sometimes, that passion caneven be a feeling that is so
(09:39):
moving and so deep.
It may be something that takesus into despair or into
depression.
It's still a feeling of passion, but most often we don't want
to experience that.
Okay, well, let me back up.
Some people most often may notwant to experience that.
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Some people have moved into thehabit of the only way they feel
that they're alive or they'reliving in a moment of passion is
if it is some of those othervibrational feelings like, again
, grief or anger or fear ordespair, depression, whatever it
(10:25):
is, and that that is still aform of passion and it's feeling
strong.
It's, it's a sense of feelingsomething, being alive.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
Okay, what I have some questions about that and
thoughts.
Well, I this is a newconversation for me, because I
never really saw passion fromthat perspective and so what
happens in that context thatyou've that's been, that you've
created and that you've heardfrom Bashar?
What about those people who saythey don't know what their
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passion is?
They don't know what theirpassion is, they don't know what
their purpose is, and they feellike they're kind of just
floating around.
Where is their passion in that?
Or is that the choice thatthey're making to be in this
state of flux?
Speaker 2 (11:17):
So that's a good question.
Again, I can speak from myperspective and my perspective
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in terms of what flows throughme.
People think neutrality isboring, because what do you mean
it being neutral?
I got to feel something well inthat place of not being sure of
(12:09):
your purpose or your life pathor what have you.
You may very well be in a placewhere you're very neutral,
quite honestly, as to adirection you go in.
Where passion comes in is whereyou connect with the inner
beingness of self and ask whatdo I choose to express that's
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within me to the world, and inwhat way do I receive the most
joy?
Most people would say happinessor excitement or thrilled about
OK, and when you can, when youcan move into that place of how
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do I choose?
How do I want to fully expressmyself?
Is it in a very colorful way?
Is it in a very creative way?
Is it in a very serious way?
Is it in a way of being thecool nerd?
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Is it in the way of being theintellectual scholar?
Is it in the way of just beingthe goofball?
All of it is cool, it's fine,it's wonderful.
That's a choice that you youmake, connecting with how you,
from the deepest part of you aremost thrilled I'm going back
(13:50):
into feeling talk but are mostthrilled to express that, make
you feel good about you.
Ok, it can be the sassy girl,it can be the cool dude.
You know what?
What makes you feel passionateabout how you choose to express
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yourself?
So once you kind of connectwith that a little bit, then you
can go into what are the thingsthat I have experienced in this
world or that I have perceivedthat have made me feel really
great, that I want to do becauseI'm now moved in some way to
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use my form of expression to dothat, use my form of expression
to do that, to be the attorney,to be the comedian, to be the
massage therapist, to be, youknow, and maybe it's something
that is like saying, oh, I wantto be a healer, I want to help
people.
Okay, well, there's so manyways in which to help people.
(15:02):
Well, there's so many ways inwhich to help people.
So, based on how you choose toexpress yourself and that makes
you feel good in the way thatyou express yourself, what do
you see that just resonates withyou, that makes you feel good?
And typically it comes fromsome kind of experience that
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we've had when we were younger.
It comes from some kind ofexperience that we've had when
we were younger.
I was listening to Gad.
I forget his first name.
He's a comedian, g-a-d.
Look up his last name, y'allwill know who I'm talking about.
I was watching him beinginterviewed and he said that
from the challenges and traumawhen he was a little boy and
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seeing his mom sad and becauseof his own sense of he was he
body shamed and self-debasedhimself.
Ok, it's self-debasement, butwhen he would make jokes or act
funny, it made his mom smile andlaugh.
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And then he started.
He saw some comedian orsomething on television, little
boy, and he said I know it was.
He said it was Aladdin and thegenie Robin Williams.
And just so funny, he saidthat's what I want to do.
In that moment he experiencedthat sense of I love how I can
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make my mom feel when she'slaughing.
I love how this person, thisgenie, it makes me feel just
talking, I'm giggling about it.
That's what I want to do now.
He consciously made thatdecision, but it became.
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That was his passion and how hechose to heal not only himself
but others, and I'm using him asa direct example.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
Yeah, I think I know who you're talking about.
I believe I heard that storysomewhere along the line as well
.
I think what's interesting iswhen I'm hearing you speak, I'm
thinking about, I'm hearingwords like self expression and
you know finding joy, and I'mthinking about you know my own
journey, you know coming towhere I am today and it's and
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it's not like it's not like this.
The journey is not never likethat.
I've been all over the place,all around jumping all you know
through hoops, and I think oneof the things, the inquiries
that I've been in, or I startedin when I thought about my own
passions, was like but who am I?
First, because I didn't, Ididn't really know who I was.
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And when I'm listening to, I'mhearing a bit of like.
There's that self-discovery of,well, who are you and what do
you want?
And I remember talking to one ofmy friends a couple of years
ago.
I went to visit her in Bali andone of the things she said was
well, what do you want?
You know we were just havingthis conversation but, like,
what do you want?
Put aside everybody else'sneeds for a moment, everybody
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else's input, whatever peoplethink, what is it that you want
now, in this moment, andhonestly, that point, I was like
that's a good question, that'sreally a good question.
But once I answered thatquestion for myself, I think
everything that I've done sincethen, um and like it's a it's a
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back and forth pendulum isaligned with what do I want?
Because what do I want kind ofis like it, kind of I guess it's
like this relationship ofchicken and egg who do I want to
be?
What do I want from that?
Who do I want to be, orwhichever dictates something.
I've always known that I wasalways someone who was creating
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a space for people to be whoeverthey needed to be.
That's from when I was young,but I didn't know, like, how do?
How am I taking this into mylife here now?
And my passion is definitely toserve, and in many different
ways.
It's not just as a Reiki masteror a life coach or, you know, a
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strategist for businesses.
There's so many different waysto serve and I think that truly
actually, now that I'm talkingabout it, really is my passion
is to be in service when Ichoose, okay, when I choose to
be in service.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
Okay, but you're in service all the time.
It's not something you go inand out of, all right.
So, first of all, yes, it is.
Everyone says, okay, who am I?
Well, the real truth andessence of who you are is you
are a light being.
There's nothing more than that.
It's not that complicated.
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You are a light being, andyou're a light being that has
many different facets, like apolished diamond or even a rough
diamond.
When you take a rough diamondand you polish it, it reflects
light from so many differentdirections.
Does that make it any different?
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Because it's polished andreflecting more light than when
it was in its raw form?
No, it's all of the essence ofthat, has always been there.
So that's who you really are.
So that's why I ask thequestion how do you choose to
express yourself?
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Do you choose to express theblue tones, the purple tones,
the orange or red tones?
How do you choose to expressyourself?
And that does change over time,little by little, and
oftentimes it's based on thechoices you make at every single
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moment, every single moment.
I remember thinking back when Iwas six years old and I was at
my grandmother's house and shewas like don't you play with
that ball in the house?
Because you don't play withthat ball in the house?
Because don't play with thatball in the house because you're
going to break something.
Ok, nana, I won't.
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Of course, I wanted to playwith the ball and I asked her
can I go outside and play withthe ball.
No, no, no.
If you go outside, you need tohave one of us, one of the
adults, be with you.
So, no, you can't go out byyourself.
Okay, I'm sitting on the couchand I'm waiting and I'm waiting,
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ball in my lap, and I'm waiting, and I'm waiting.
And when can we go outside?
I'm going to play with my ball.
Oh, I have to cook first.
I have to do that.
You know what adults will do.
And finally, my sister.
She comes downstairs and I sayYvette, here, catch the ball.
And I throw the ball and ofcourse it hits one of her nice,
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beautiful crystal lamps andbreaks, falls and shatters.
That was a choice I made inthat moment, because the passion
was to be joyful, to play, tohave fun.
In that moment.
That's what I was passionateabout.
you see what I mean yeahunderstanding that once it broke
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oh, there are consequences,right?
And boy did I get theconsequence for having done that
.
She was a no-nonsense, you know, I'm going to take care of your
behind.
Didn't particularly like theexhilaration of playing and
being joyful, and expressingthat part of myself was more
important to me than getting aspanking, getting a spanking.
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And so, from then on, therewere many choices I made so that
I could be, you know, happy andplayful and joyful.
Of course, moving forward, manyof those choices still resulted
in a spanking, until what endedup happening was the essence of
my joy, or my spirit, reallydiminished.
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And I, completely a person who Ican be serious, but I really do
like to have fun, and my kidsalways say how corny I am and
everything else.
But that is how.
That is what brings me greatjoy and I am passionate about
those things, and at this pointin my life, I don't care if
other people respond to it ornot, it just feels good for me.
(24:28):
So that's what I mean by how doyou choose to first express
yourself, every experience wehave in life, if what you choose
are those things that make youfeel love and joy and
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exhilaration, and for me also,it's growth, continuing to grow
and expand and experience allthe wonderfulness of the
universe that's actually veryeffervescent and kind of tickly
and all of those things.
Then how do you channel thatinto your path, into your
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purpose?
And sometimes, even if we'renot sure what that is and you're
(25:49):
a single mom or you are a verygood worker, or whatever it may
be the purpose where your senseof expression inspires,
motivates, changes other peoplearound you that do some
magnificent things that you maynever really know about, learn
about, hear about, I think aboutthe teachers who say to those
those lovely young ones you know, you are smart, you are
(26:09):
beautiful, oh, what a darlingchild you are.
Just those words can lightenthat, that human being, that
that soul, to feel so great andgo oh, okay.
And we've all heard severalstories where that has changed
literally people's lives becauseit changes their perspective
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about themselves.
So you may not have a specificpurpose in mind or you may not
know what it is, you may notknow what your path is, but you
have someone who calls you thatsays you know what?
We're having an afternoon teaat our social club and we would
(26:52):
love for you to come and justtalk about your experience in
terms of what you've done tohelp take care of your elders.
And you stand up and you talkand people are like, oh, that
was marvelous.
Oh my God, that was soheartfelt, I didn't know what to
do.
You really helped, give medirection.
Dah, dah, dah, dah dah.
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You may not think anything of it.
Certainly you never thoughtabout being a speaker, or maybe
you hadn't thought about yourpart of your purpose or your
path as being one that helps inthe geriatric care field or
whatever it may be.
But then you find someonesaying I'd love for you to speak
at my such and such oh, and,before you know it, many people
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find this to be true in theirlives.
You are just naturally likeflowing in a direction you may
not have consciously chosen.
Well, okay, I started this joband that kind of led me to this
and then that led me to that.
So I guess I'm going to do this, okay, but the whole while it
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has been part of your purposefuljourney.
You just have not beenconscious of it, so you don't
have to go looking for it andseeking it and wringing your
hands around it and, oh my god,I don't know what to do.
I'm just going to stay in myroom until I understand what it
is.
No, you live your life and asyou live your life and as you
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live your life, you're makingchoices, and every choice you
make is based on some type of avery movable feeling that is
passion.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
I'm really looking, I'm hearing you talk and I'm
seeing the snippets of my lifein which it was like oh, this,
just this just happened, andthen then this just happened,
and then it just just happened,and it's.
It's funny when I startedpodcasting and people would say
this is what you're supposed tobe doing, this is this is where
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you seem to to be fullyexpressed and I'm thinking I'm
just talking, so why not get onin front of a camera and talk to
people?
I do love talking and engagingand I love the intellect of it.
I love learning.
I am an avid learner, for sure,and I like to then teach what I
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learn.
I'm not somebody who likes togatekeep and keep stuff to
myself, so of and I like to thenteach what I learn.
I'm not somebody who likes togatekeep and keep stuff to
myself, so, of course, I want toshare, but I'm just it's all
piecing together and I hope forour listeners or those who are
watching there they're startingto maybe just take a look in the
rear view for a second to thinkoh right, Look at all these
serendipitous things that havehappened over time, that have
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led me to where I am now and youknow, like even our
relationship.
We met on a different projectand who knew that it would
blossom into where we are nowand I'm thrilled to what has
opened up for us through ourpartnership and connection.
And who would have thought?
Speaker 2 (30:02):
Yes, who would have thought?
Who would have thought?
And as you're talking, it'strue, and as I often tell people
, everything that you haveexperienced in life has been
critical to where you are now,and don't think anything at any
point has been a waste of time,a waste of energy or a waste at
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all, because those choices thatyou have made have led you to
where you are now.
Had you made different choicesat every single turn, at every
path, you would be doingsomething different.
But would it be any less valid,valuable and enlightening?
No, it wouldn't have been anyless than that.
It's just that you make thesechoices and every choice you
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make always know it's from alevel of passion.
You know you become consciousof that.
Then you start to becomeconscious of various things I
was just going to share realquickly, just to piggyback on
what you said.
You know I think about my ownlife and how I've always been
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passionate about dance, movementand and ballet.
Um, what I was doing, that andthen which also moved me into
jazz, a little bit of moderndance, that was years before hip
hop, so I can't claim that, butum, um was my, is the way I
chose to express myself to theworld, okay, and we all have
something.
(31:29):
We just need to, like, tap intothat.
But from that became, oh no, Iwant to be wealthy.
So, no, from that came, yeah, Iwant to be wealthy.
My uncle was a very.
He was a doctor who ownedseveral women's clinics, on so
forth.
I'm like, oh, I'm gonnapiggyback off of what he's doing
(31:50):
.
He's an OBGYN, I'll be apediatrician and I've always
loved science.
So that made sense to me UntilI started working in his office
when I was a teenager and I went, well, maybe not.
And then I moved into somethingelse, that again just very
naturally, with some friends,and it dealt with politics.
(32:13):
And I'm like, oh, I'll be anattorney.
And, yes, that's what I went tocollege for, that's what I
studied for, that's what youknow I did until I realized I
don't want to do that.
I just wanted to make money.
But I'm not.
It's not what I'm feeling.
Were those all wrong choicesalong the way?
No, and what I did connect with, which I always knew and had a
(32:35):
connection with, wasspirituality and religions and
world religions and worldcultures and all of those things
.
That's where where I feeluplifted and that's what I moved
into.
Um, but before getting there, Imoved into finance.
Of course, I was focused onmoney, so I moved into finance,
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and I did that for a period oftime and realized, no, that
wasn't the right direction forme either.
However, the one thread wasalways spirituality, healing
service and so on.
That was always kind of thethread.
So now the Miracles, ultimateWellness Resources is born, and
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you know what do I do?
Well, of course, that makerunning a business takes
financial know-how.
You know, it is a businessaround healing and growth and
those kinds of things, and it isextremely creative, which,
instead of dancing my mycreative chops, happen in the
business itself.
And so was any of that a waste?
Speaker 1 (33:44):
No, I totally, I see it.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
And that's a path I was on my life, path and purpose
, even though it's like, well,aren't you going to stick with
something?
I'm like?
Speaker 1 (33:57):
You know, I owned a retail store for a while which
was part of the spiritual aspect, but all of that part of the
path, so important for people tohear about the part of the path
because you know I come from acultural background is like you
choose something, you stick toit, you stay safe, you make
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money, you stay secure andthat's what you do now, that's
the programming yeah, that isnot the message that was given
to me.
I'm very blessed.
Even in all of the craziness ofmy life, I was always just told
do what you love, but give ityour all.
So if you choose that you lovethis, give it your all, and if
you don't love this anymore,then find something that you can
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give it your all.
So that's.
I've been very, very blessedand lucky.
But not everyone gets thatsupport.
That's true Family to say, oh,you don't want to be a doctor,
what is that you want to do?
Oh, you want to create art?
Sure, no problem.
That's unheard of in in mycultural background.
(35:01):
Okay, so I think it's importantfor those who are listening to
as parents, because I knowparents just want their kids to
be stable, to be able to paytheir bills, to a safe and
secure and a life they surviveyes, it's true, right, you know
it's.
You know, and especially whenyou come from a cultural
background of survival like youhave, as you can understand,
(35:24):
right, there's survival, butthere's, there's, there can be a
passion in survival.
I guess, if you're looking atthe choices that you're making,
innovation of yourself-expression, it's okay to
(35:45):
move through things, and I'mspeaking to parents, because
parents have a dream and avision for their children.
They're passionate about it,but there's something to be said
about your child's own passions, and allowing the
self-expression of their ownpassions will bring them what it
is you want for them well,exactly, and and here you're.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
You're so right on.
Most of the dreams that parentshave for their children are the
unfulfilled dreams that parentshad for themselves 100 and when
a parent is willing to fully letgo of that and see their child,
(36:26):
and in seeing their childopening the doors for their
children to explore all theopportunities that that child
can explore, then the child isable to make a decision about
what they really want to do.
And when they do, then they'reable to move through those doors
(36:53):
.
When my oldest daughter wasvery young, she loved gymnastics
.
We had her and I put her ingymnastics because I'm like, oh,
this child is, you know, asmany parents say, a little
monkey, climbing everything andflipping over the couches and
everything else.
I'll put her in gymnastics andshe did well, but in her
(37:15):
situation her legs got so manybone spurs that she couldn't.
They were.
It was just painful at night.
It was just too painful.
I had to pull her out and evento this day she's like why did
you pull me out?
I just love gymnastics.
Yes, I know you did, but yourbody was growing and your bones
were not able to not spurs asplit you know, like charlie.
(37:40):
Charlie, horses are part of, um,uh, can be bone splinters and
it's the tearing of the muscleswhich is part of what happened
with athletes also to help bulkthem up and make them stronger.
She couldn't handle it, it wasjust too painful and I said I
can't see you doing this.
So then it looked like you know, she expressed she was
(38:01):
interested in acting.
I'm like, okay so, of a studentof mine who, uh, was an actor
and also a dancer.
He uh, uh, worked with her andmy niece and a good friend of
theirs, creating, having themcreate their own story script
when they were eight, and thenacting it out and doing certain
(38:26):
things.
Anyway, long story short.
Um, when she went to middleschool, she got into the acting
class in seventh grade.
Most of the time you couldn'tdo it till ninth grade, but it
just happened.
See how the universe opens thedoors when you're ready for
something.
They didn't have enough kidsfor the acting class, so they
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took four or five from theseventh grade who were able to
get into the acting class.
From there.
She decided she wanted to go toboarding school, to this high
school boarding school foracting, and I said, yes, you can
(39:09):
do that If you write me a paperon why you want to go, what
your passion is in terms ofacting, I'm like you, give me an
affirmative, you know, solidargument as to why we should
send you to boarding school todo that.
And I said, yeah, you know,we'll take a look at it and that
can happen if that's what youwant.
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Of course, my husband saidabsolutely not.
Speaker 1 (39:36):
I'm laughing because I've done that with my children
when they ask for things, I'mlike can you please write me an
essay as to why you think youneed to have it?
Yeah, it's like you know.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
I want to know what you know, where you are
emotionally, where you are inyour heart and how you're
thinking about it and perceivingit Right.
So, anyway, it didn't happen.
She didn't go to boardingschool, but instead she did find
a very good school here in LA.
That's actually the sisterschool to the school in New York
(40:06):
that the movie fame was um, um,um emulated from.
Uh, her school does the samething fame.
Fame does and did but, and youhad to audition to get in, and
so I supported her along the way.
(40:26):
You know she had acting coach,she passed her audition, she was
one out of, she was.
There were 100 kids theyselected out of I think 1500 or
whatever it was at that time.
And she went through, shegraduated, she went to colleges
that she had to audition for andhave a 3.0 GPA as a minimum,
(40:46):
and she did that and gotaccepted into three, into two,
was waitlisted into one, and sothat was her path.
And what is she doing now?
She's in production because shewants to be, she's on a path of
being a producer.
She's in production because shewants to be, she's, she's,
she's on a path to being aproducer.
She decided that it wasn'tstable enough and that in
(41:06):
between time you know she has tofile for unemployment waiting
for the next gig, and she's likeoh no, mom, I can't.
Speaker 1 (41:16):
I need to have something a little more steady.
But doing production andproducing gives her the that I'm
not passionate about.
Speaker 2 (41:20):
I need to have something a little more steady.
But doing production andproducing gives her the
opportunity and she also writesand so forth, scripts and so
forth Gives her a chance tostill act when she wants to, but
she's able to do so much moreand it's broadened her.
Speaker 1 (41:38):
And I really do hope people hear something for
themselves about the that andpassion.
And you know, all we want inlife truly is to be well, not
all.
One of the biggest things wewant in life is to be truly, I
think, self-expressed, allowingour authentic, authentic self to
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show up, and a lot of thejourneys that I hear people who
are looking for healing andlooking for coaching and and you
know, in this world, in thisrealm that we're in, in this
sphere that we're in, is they'relooking for that like, how do I
find my own self expression?
I can see now in ourconversation about how you know
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that passion and you know whenyou were saying the word passion
and a lot of people thinkpassion is like, uh, like you
said, joy and uplifting and it'slike being driven by something
to do something.
So it's like I can bepassionate about something
that's going on in the world andit doesn't look like it's
joyous or exciting and it's likemore like a soapbox and I'm on
(42:45):
a soapbox and I'm saying what Ineed to say, but that's driven
by a passion for something else.
Right, if I am talking aboutwomen's rights and I'm getting
upset about something that'shappening in the world, or
children's rights, or fastfashion or whatever it could be,
it's because passion that'sunderlying something about.
(43:06):
For me, I think it would besomething about serving humanity
right.
Speaker 2 (43:10):
And so the passion is the feeling, and the underlying
aspect of it is how do I chooseto express myself in the world?
And then you, consciously, ifyou will look at all the choices
(43:33):
you have and how to do that.
You can be an activist behind abullhorn, you can be an
attorney, you can be apolitician, you can be a
motivational speaker, you can besomeone who tells story and
entertainment in reference tothat.
There are many, many paths, andthat's where you get a chance
(43:55):
to consciously choose what do Ifeel most good about in the way
that I express myself and thepassion I have for, you know,
uplifting, for uplifting myself,uplifting others.
(44:17):
And again, that can come fromanger and it can come from
exhilaration.
It can come from great joy Joyis actually more of an emotion
along that emotional scale thana feeling but it can come from
great happiness and it can comefrom guilt or grief, but
(44:38):
nonetheless, or grief, butnonetheless it's still an
element of passion that doesmove us, and not all passion is
strongly moving, but it's stillmoving.
It's something that still movesus to take action or where we
consider what do we want to doabout it.
And then that leads me to.
(44:59):
If you're complaining aboutsomething, then if you are to.
If you're complaining aboutsomething, then if you are
caught up in the passion ofcomplaining, what is it that's
really disturbing you most?
Why is it disturbing you?
And if there was a solution toit, is that one that you would
like to participate in?
(45:20):
Some people just like it, justfor the sake of the drama?
Yes, there is an addiction and,as I used to tell my children,
who would fall out if I said no,sometime, don't, don't give me
the drama and don't play it outin your life like this.
Put it on stage, put it outthere.
(45:41):
You want to be in drama.
Put the drama out there don'tdo this.
Speaker 1 (45:49):
So, anyway, we talk about drama because there's so
many things I've learned aboutaddictions to different types of
drama, uh, and those dopaminehits, and that's a whole another
conversation.
But you know, I think I, I thinkit's, it's beautiful to see and
to hear what you said about howdo I want to show up in the
world today.
(46:10):
It could be different tomorrow.
Today I want to show up, as youknow, the person who stays in
bed wears my pajamas and is allgood with that, and I'm take
care of my mental health, andtomorrow I'll show up, maybe
differently, maybe not, whoknows, but it comes from a place
deep inside of and you justtake a moment, I think, if we
(46:35):
took a moment just to listen andfeel and connect to what that
place is, and I got somethingelse out of the conversation,
which is we're all light, sowe're all beaming, something
always.
So you know, if, if you trulyare in a space where like, okay,
(46:55):
lynn and Nina, blah, blah, blah, yeah, passion, yeah, oh, it's
just going to show up about it,take a moment and just be still
about it and I'm laughingbecause even in what you just
said, there, there was passion.
Speaker 2 (47:11):
There was passion in, in, in being, in that place of.
I don't want to believe it, Idon't want to deal with it, I
don't want to do it.
I'm just feeling what I'mfeeling and I'm gonna feel it,
and nobody's gonna tell meanything different.
Well, you're passionate aboutmaking that choice at that
moment and the reality isthere's nothing wrong with that.
You will be moved.
(47:32):
When you're moved to move, whenthere is another choice before
you or you're ready to makeanother choice, it will present
itself and then you'll make thatchoice and you'll you'll move
into another place.
Yeah, wrong the word wrong.
Speaker 1 (47:47):
The word, the connotation of something is
wrong when you're not where youwant to be or you're not showing
up as who you would like toshow up as there.
We we have this language thatwe use and are the language.
Speaker 2 (48:04):
The language, the languaging that we use is so
inadequate which you've you youpersonally have heard me say
that many times it, thelanguaging around it is so
inadequate.
Let's just take the word wrongout of the vocabulary, because
(48:24):
there is no wrong and actuallythere's no right.
It just is what it is.
And do we have the right tomake choices?
Yes, can we make choices basedon, in that moment, how we feel?
Absolutely, we do it all thetime, unconsciously.
(48:46):
Can we make a choice based onhow we choose to feel if we're
feeling low, how we choose toremain if we're feeling high?
Absolutely, we have that choiceand that's when we start
becoming more conscious of thechoice and through those choices
(49:08):
and the passion, in that way,you are already on your life
path period.
There are many ways to manypaths to get to your life
purpose or to be on your lifepurpose.
It's not even to get to it,you're already on it anyway.
Speaker 1 (49:28):
Yeah, okay Like.
I think, that's what we need tojust like.
Okay, you're already on yourpath.
Part of this ruminating thethinking, the wondering is part
of the process.
Speaker 2 (49:43):
It's part of the process, and I'd love to tell
people to stop Stop thinking,stop ruminating, stop.
This is where presence, beingpresent, comes into play,
because when you're very present, there are always choices
before you.
You make the choice and youunderstand that there are a
million pathways for you to stayand be on your purpose, because
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you are already, but you maynot understand it, you may not
cognitively be aware of it, youmay not be able to express it,
it may not look the way youthink it should look or you've
dreamt about, and oftentimesthat's influenced by our
programming, anyway, not reallywhere we may want to be.
(50:29):
Okay, all of those things.
And so we are always tryingthat's the word trying to get
there well, you're already there.
Speaker 1 (50:43):
You can't you can't.
Speaker 2 (50:46):
How can one try to be in a female body or a male body
?
I'm really trying to be in afemale body.
I'm already in a female body.
Now, for those spiritual beingsthat feel they are not in the
(51:06):
right body, you're not trying tobe in a female body.
If you were born into a malebody, you are choosing at any
given moment in time to say I ama female in terms of female
energy principle.
(51:28):
That is how I choose to expressmyself in this world and I
choose to then have the externalaspect of my body reflect who I
am fully.
What a beautiful.
I choose to stay in the malebody and still express myself
(51:51):
fully the way I choose.
But you're not trying to be you, because you already are I
think that's a powerfulstatement for us.
Speaker 1 (52:05):
To just end at this point like you are not.
I'm going to repeat it just incase.
I want to hear that you're nottrying to be anything.
You are the thing, person, thebeing that you are.
That's wonderful.
(52:26):
Thanks, lynn.
We are going to be doing thismore often.
So, while we are so happy tohighlight the healers within our
network and if you are a healerlistening to this and you're
like, hey, how do I get intothis conversation?
Go to our website, check us out.
If you are a healer listeningto this and you're like, hey,
how do I get into thisconversation, go to our website,
check us out.
All the links will be in theshow notes, so make sure you go
(52:48):
there, check it out, see how youwould like to be a part of this
conversation.
Come on in and join us.
We'd love to have you there.
And those of you who arethinking well, I'm not a healer,
I want to be part of theconversation.
Well, you know what?
There's something out there foryou too.
So just hop on, check us out,send us messages.
We're here to help you andsupport you.
(53:09):
Thank you so much for listeningto us Until next time.
Speaker 2 (53:13):
Bye for now.
Speaker 1 (53:14):
Bye-bye.
Thank you for joining us todayon Healers Talk Healing.
We hope you've been inspiredand empowered on your holistic
healing journey.
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Remember healing is a lifelongjourney and you have the power
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