March 20, 2025 • 54 mins
Join us in this enlightening episode of Healers Talk Healing as we explore the transformative journey of trusting yourself and embracing your authentic self with our CEO, Lynne Herod-DeVergis. With over 30 years of experience in the metaphysical realm, Lynn shares her profound insights into the mind-body connection and the importance of self-trust in holistic healing. Alongside host Nina Ganguli, the conversation delves into overcoming resistance while emphasizing the role of gratitude and joy in personal development.
Listeners will be equipped with practical tools to navigate their journeys, encouraging a mindset that embraces vulnerability and authenticity as strengths. By sharing her journey, Lynne highlights the power of community and the Miracles Directory as resources for those seeking spiritual growth and connection. This episode is a reminder that healing is a lifelong process—a blend of recognizing our experiences, expressing gratitude, and allowing ourselves the freedom to flow in life.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome to Healers Talk Healing, the podcast where
we gather to explore the art andscience of holistic healing,
uncovering the secrets to ahappier, healthier you.
I'm your host, nina Ganguly,and together we will delve into
the intriguing world of holistichealing, delving into the
mind-body connection, ancientwisdom and natural remedies to
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the mind-body connection,ancient wisdom and natural
remedies.
Get ready for enlighteningstories, thought-provoking
expert interviews and practicaltips that will empower you to
unlock your true potential andembrace a vibrant, balanced life
.
Whether you're an experiencedwellness enthusiast or simply
curious about the power ofhealing, join us on this
exhilarating journey as we sharethe wisdom and insights that
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can truly transform your life.
It's time to embark on a voyagetowards a happier, healthier
you.
So, without further ado, let'sdive into the captivating world
of Healers Talk Healing.
Welcome to our inaugural podcastepisode of Healers Talk Healing
, featuring the remarkable LynnHarrod-Divergis, the visionary
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founder of the MiraclesDirectory.
Lynn's journey is a captivatingblend of spiritual depth and
practical wisdom, shaped by over30 years in the metaphysical
realm.
As an esteemed energy healer,teacher and spiritual mentor,
she specializes in guidingindividuals on transformative
self-development paths.
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Lynn's commitment to spiritualgrowth and helping others
started in her early teens andhas been the cornerstone of her
life's work.
Her journey includessignificant professional
achievements in economics andbanking, yet she has always
remained true to her spiritualcalling.
Today, lynn stands out as theheart and soul behind the
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Miracles Directory, a platformshe created to connect, inspire
and uplift those seekingspiritual and personal growth.
Spiritual and personal growthHer unique approach combines
deep metaphysical insights withreal-world experience, guiding
people towards realizing theirfullest potential in both their
personal and professional lives.
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Join us as we delve into theinspiring world of Lynn
Herod-Diverges, a true luminaryin the field of spiritual and
self-development.
Luminary in the field ofspiritual and self-development.
Discover how the MiraclesDirectory and Lynn's expertise
can empower you to design thelife you've always dreamed of.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
I was thinking of what we would talk about today
but I've had very little sleepand my aunt's in the hospital
and I don't know what kind ofcondition she's in right now.
But I was just going to say youknow, when you have that energy
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of I don't want to, that'sresistance.
And it often is more of afeeling than it is.
It's.
We call feelings emotions, butwe spoke about that before.
It's more of a feeling in thatmoment in time, but it has
nothing to do with anythingother than the fact that your,
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your place of passion in thatmoment is maybe to stay in bed,
nice and warm.
Stay nice and cozy in the bed,and the passion is stronger than
oh, I got to get up andexercise.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
The noise is much louder than my want to live to
100 years old for sure in thatmoment.
In that moment in that moment,right and so so, welcome
everybody you've.
We have decided to press recordin the middle of our
conversations because they startoff so powerfully.
And then today, lynn said justpress record, can, let's just
start.
So we've started.
You're here with me, ninaganguly, and the esteemed
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wonderful ceo of miracles,ultimate wellness resources,
lynn harrod, diverges, and we'retalking about trusting and the
esteemed wonderful CEO ofMiracles, ultimate Wellness
Resources, lynn Harrod-Divergis,and we're talking about
trusting self.
And you know, and all of thehealing work that I believe that
I've done, if I'm, you know,when I'm sharing, is all about
creating.
Well, I used to think it wasfinding my authentic self and
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you know now maybe it has alwaysbeen about that but also
trusting that authentic self.
After years of being told who Ishould be, how I should act,
what I should think, whetherit's by parents or friends or
society, I'm in that space nowof discovering who I am and then
trusting that.
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Trusting who I am, trustingmyself to do what I say I'm
going to do, um, being authentic, understanding what that is
it's.
It's interesting because I, theway I see it, it's like I'm
growing up.
You know, I'm coming out ofthis teenage girl syndrome,
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becoming a mature woman, as afriend, as a daughter, as a
mother, as a wife Boy have Ibeen immature in my marriage?
For sure.
That 15 year old girl is like.
She shows up as soon as you tryand tell her what to do or what
to think.
And it's just, it's interestingthat what you're saying about,
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well, it's in that moment, inthe moment of, nah, I don't
wanna, it's the giving into thatrebellion or losing focus for
me, losing focus of what it isthat I'm, I'm out to do, and the
full goal is, or the fullpurpose of of what you're moving
toward?
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Sure, sure, yeah, sure.
And the reality is, being yourauthentic self is something that
everyone is all the time.
So, all of this talk about, oh,I have to be my authentic self.
I have to find my authenticself.
Okay, I have to find myselfbeing a woman of the age.
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I am no, you just are right.
And so it's like you said, it'strusting, trusting who you are,
and we all know that, frombirth to and it's a continuum
throughout our life, we areconstantly being programmed for
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various things.
And then, as we continue togrow and become um more mature,
we move from 15 to 17.
As we, as we go through thatprocess, then we think, well,
maybe the way I was thinking atthat 15 year old self isn't
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really real anymore, because youhave experiences, you have, um,
uh, other things that you havebeen told, that you have done,
that you have shared, thatyou've experienced, and so at
those junctures, you are okay, Iguess I have to find my real
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authentic self.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
No, you're being authentic.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
At that time you are still your authentic self.
But when you move into thoseplaces where, when you move into
those places where I'm going tosay this I have to exercise, I
have to eat the right foods, Ihave to this, I have to that, it
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puts us into a place where westart believing that that's
exactly what we need to do inorder to make the changes we
have to make.
And the truth is, when you can,in that moment, you feel what
you feel be your authentic selfand trust in where you are, at
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that moment you may discover Idon't really have to exercise
like that.
I really don't have to eat oreliminate certain foods.
I really don't have to anything.
What I can do is just be in thismoment and experience what I'm
experiencing.
And, oh my gosh, the coversfeel so warm and cozy because
it's cold outside and you knowwhat I can give myself this
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moment in a very authentic place, to do that.
And then, when I move, to move,I will get up and I will then
choose to do the things that Ifeel would be self-care, would
be beneficial for my movingforward, that I can be in
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gratitude about.
And as you start doing that,then joy comes.
There's like an internal joythat, no matter what you feel,
that joy is always going to bepresent.
It's like it's it's so, it'sdeep, but it's always there and
it always reminds you you'rebeing authentic, you're doing
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what you need to do, you'rewhere you need to be.
Stop sweating it oh I'm.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
It's like you're in my brain, like, okay, I'm just
going to do this and then I'mgoing to reconnect to.
For me it's like reconnect tothe, the bigger goal for myself,
cause you know, there's aconstant chatter in here and I
think everybody deals with thatconstant chatter, whether it's,
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you know, moving you forward,keeping you still, whatever,
whatever it is, there is thisconstant I have to, which then
means like it's not a choice ifyou say you have to right you,
you believe it's not a choiceand it's so funny because it's
the thing that I've created.
I've created the schedule.
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I've decided this is what Iwant.
It's's all about me and, uh,you know, if anyone has heard me
talk in any other place, I talkabout that rebellious me that I
am, who, most of the time,whenever I put some sort of
something in place, I'm like Idon't want to.
I put these two days aside todo this.
I don't want to.
And there is that piece of me,the, the grown-up part of me,
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the more mature part of me, theone that's more committed to I
want I, I get to.
This is going to be the endresult is amazing.
That gets to also step in andbe like hey, I get, you don't
want to.
It's funny because my brain,for the longest time, didn't
speak to.
I didn't speak to myself way, Ididn't acknowledge that I don't
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want to.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Okay, and most of us don't, because why?
You're not supposed to havethat attitude, you're not
supposed to think that way.
Yeah, exactly, but when you do,because I go into a lot of I
don't want to.
There are many things that youknow, like all of us, I fully
receive absolute pleasure indoing.
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And then there are those thingswhere it's like, but I don't
want to do that part, I don'twant to do that now, you know,
whatever it is.
But the reality is, don't youfind that, even when you don't
want to, once you allow yourselfto really move into that place
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and no longer resist it andtrust who you are?
In the experience it's like oh,my god, I got such a healing
from doing that, or it was sowonderful.
Oh, I feel so much better.
I.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
I, there's something that you said that's so uh, I
don't know what the right wordis, but it you hit the nail on
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the head, it's like that bringsyou joy.
So then you go back into astate of joy and you can pat
yourself on the back and dowhatever you need to do to say,
hey, yeah, you did thatAbsolutely.
And that's where that trust,you begin to trust yourself.
Or I've become I'm talkingabout me I begin to trust that.
Oh, I'm going to natural.
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My natural way of being is Idon't want to and I can't.
I can't do that and I don'twant to.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Okay, that's not really your full natural way,
but usually the first timesomething comes to me that.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
I don't want to, or I find it remotely.
My brain thinks, oh, that'sgoing to be too hard, too much
effort, too much effort, toomuch time.
This is, this is how my brainoperates.
Um, and the time I have, in thepast, spent ruminating about I
don't want to and I can't dothat, and when I put that aside
and I say, okay, when I'm notarguing with you anymore, we're
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just gonna do this well, youknow what you can do, everything
you're thinking in terms ofwhat you can't do and the
arguments that you have withyourself.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Just record it and then, when something comes up
you can you don't have to thinkabout it just hit play.
And then you're like oh okay,I've just argued with myself,
okay, I don't even have to, Idon't have to do that anymore in
my head you know, because it'sright there, it's right there
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it's.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
It's an interesting.
I always find it it quitefascinating the way our brains
operate or the things that wesay to ourselves and how we try
to convince ourselves that, youknow, we really don't want to do
something or we really can't dosomething.
And you know, one of the thingsthat I do is I've coined the
term cantaholic.
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Many years ago about 10 yearsago, I wrote a book called
Confessions of a Cantaholic.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
I really like that I had.
I've never heard you use thatterm and all the time that I've
known you, so this isinteresting.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
I'm a recovering cantaholic A recovering
cantaholic.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
Okay, okay, and most people are cantaholics.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
Yeah, and you don't realize.
You don't realize the power inthose thoughts and the that you
know the choices that you make.
I'm right now, I'm rereadingthe four agreements and
reminding myself about, aboutwell, he calls it a dream state.
We can talk about the matrixand we can go into all kinds of
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discussions, but everything wesee and feel and experience is
everything that we have createdand you've you've spoken about
this too in in our pastdiscussions which is you can
choose to see a world full ofpossibility or you can choose to
see a world full of obstacles,and I can't.
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Yes, for a very long time.
That's the world.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
That's, that was the view for which I saw the world
and so many people, the whatyou're talking about and what
you experience, what similar tothings that I've experienced,
although I don't experience itquite in the same way.
But everyone goes through thesedifferent types of processes,
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internal processes, and you knowI've not read the four
agreements, but it is true, youcan and that's part of our
personal power always make thechoice on how you choose to see,
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think about, act and do in theworld and within yourself.
That is just, that's ourstrength, that's our superpower.
It's just that we have beenprogrammed to believe that we're
not able to access it or fullytap into it.
Or, oh okay, there has to beeffort in order to make that
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work.
Oh no, I need to struggle toget there, or whatever the
beliefs are.
And it's not just because ofwhat we've been told, it's
because of what we see, it'sbecause of what we've
experienced in different ways.
It's because of and when I saywhat we see authority figures
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and other figures when we'reyoung, what they've dealt with,
what they've gone through, howit's affected us, how we've
dealt with it from a feelingslevel, all of that.
But we always still have, ofcourse, the choice.
A friend of mine asked me lastnight we were chatting, and so
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she has a wonderful group.
We get together every twomonths and she said I'm going to
ask everyone in the group thistime what makes them joyful.
And I was thinking about that,and this piggybacks a little bit
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into what you were talkingabout.
When one is in a state of joyand you can find that pocket in
every moment that allows you toexperience joyfulness, then the
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canaholic stuff goes away.
Right it just you cannot be.
Or let me put it this way, twoforms of energy cannot be in the
same space exactly at the sametime.
In the same way.
Something has to give somewhere.
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If you are experiencing yourjoyfulness in every way possible
, then you're able to see andchoose from that perspective of.
I feel uncomfortable with this,but I know that I can do
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something about that.
I can choose differently.
There is a solution, there is astep that can be taken.
I just need to, for this moment, be in a place of joyfulness.
And so how do you get intojoyfulness, thinking about all
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those wonderful things?
I hear Julie Andrews and thesound of music singing in my
head right now.
You know all of the wonderfulthings, right?
So we can think about thosethings in the moment, just kind
of make that shift or thatlittle adjustment.
We can also move into a placeof connecting with what it is we
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truly choose to see ourselvesbeing in the next moment and the
next moment and all thosemoments that lead up to next
month, next year, 10 years fromnow, okay and experience the joy
in that we can tap into how wewant to experience ourselves and
how we want others toexperience us as well.
And so there are all thesedifferent ways.
And so when she was asking methat question last night, I had
a pat answer for it, but thismorning in meditation.
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You know, I'm always inmeditation one way or another,
one way or another, but thismorning in meditation what came
up was hmm, I experience joymost of the time because I am in
in my head and in my beingalways saying, oh, I am so
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grateful for it has become sucha habitual habit that's
redundant, but you understandwhat I'm saying anyway.
It's, you know, it's alwaysbeing in that place of gratitude
.
I'm so grateful that we're ableto have this conversation.
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I'm so grateful that in thisconversation, we and anyone else
listening for those that are inthat space are able to grow and
and learn and gain somethingfrom it.
I am, you know, grateful forbeing able to be in a nice, warm
environment right now and notin a cold blizzard.
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You know, it's like there areso many different things.
You're not in a cold blizzard.
It might be outside, but Iguarantee you where you're
sitting right now it's not cold,right.
So you give thanks for that.
That's what I'm saying.
Yes, so those are ways toreally be in a place of joy.
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So then, what are you joyfulfor?
And, as I was in my process, I'mlike, oh, I'm joyful every time
I see a butterfly emerge from acocoon.
I emerge from a cocoon.
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I'm joyful when I see someonewho may have been in a place of
anger or grief or despair movethrough that and find that place
within them where they arejoyful and or they're at peace.
I experience joyfulness when Ican just sit and have a glass of
wine and watch a great moviewith my husband.
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You know it's like the and all.
There are so many ways toexperience joyfulness.
So I believe and to be gratefulfor all of those moments.
So I believe that when you gointo a place where you're like I
can't, I don't want to, no, Ijust don't want to, you can in
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that moment, say I am sograteful that I can even choose
not to.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
Oh, my gosh, you're so right.
I just had an aha moment,because there are moments when
my eyes open Most of the time.
That I don't wanna and I can'tusually happens when my eyes
open and my brain turns on andthinks about all the things that
have to get done throughout theday.
But one of the things I havebeen missing and I'll just tell
one on myself is to realize Iactually am so blessed that I
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get the choice to say I don'twant to do this right now,
because many people they don'thave the choice, so to speak,
for.
Oh, you know, I have X, y, zthings that I need to get done.
I don't have to do it at eightin the morning if I don't want
to.
That's true.
I could literally do it at noonor some other time, so long as
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I am, you know, meeting therequirements of the meeting
deadlines and doing the thingsthat I have given my word to
doing, so long as they'regetting done.
Not everyone has that abilityor that opportunity and I am
truly grateful.
I am truly grateful for theflexibility that I have in my
life and the support systemsthat allow that flexibility, you
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know.
You know even the way that wework together.
I'm so grateful because I'vebeen in a place where I wasn't
able to work the way that I workbest.
So it's.
It is something to be saidabout.
Yes, okay, I might not want to,you know, and I remember going
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through a training program wherethe leader of the classroom was
saying that is her way of being.
Almost every single moment ofher day, she just wants to be in
her pajamas and watch tv and,you know, not try and transform
or change the world or be aleader, and and that's okay too,
that's okay.
If that is absolutely is yournatural state of being is like,
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yeah, I, I just want to be on abeach and have a mai tai, which
you know is my natural state.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
It's like I know that's your net.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
Now that is your like every time someone says go to
your happy place, I'm on a beachdoesn't always have to be with
the Mai Tai, but I am definitelyon the beach with the sun on my
face and I do get many, manyopportunities to live my life
there and I, um, and so what?
Let me just go back again andsay what she was saying is like
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you can have that running in thebackground still and say, okay,
that's, that is just your, youjust want to be on a beach.
Okay, great, and and oh, but noanything else.
And you know there's also apart of you, oh for them, for me
, there's a part of me thatmakes to be of service.
(25:35):
You know I can be on the beach,but that at some point even my
mind starts being like, okay,now I'll do something else.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
Well, you know, and that's, and that's also the
other aspect Imagine yourselflying on the beach and, for
those that are listening,imagine yourself being in a
place or doing something thatyou love, and you do it for a
day, and it's wonderful.
And you do it for three daysand like, wow, yeah, this is
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still good.
And you do it for a month, andyou do it for three months the
same thing.
And you do it for a year.
And you do it for three months,the same thing.
And you do it for a year andyou do it for two years.
The the truth of it is, at somepoint you'll go.
Okay, really, I'm done withthis now because we're growing
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in dynamic human beings.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
We really don't love homeostasis.
I think like that whole that'strue, that's my point yes, our
bodies are constantly like wecould be lying on the beach, yes
, and do the same thing everyday, but something inside of us
is constantly continuing,changing and morphing and you
know doing whatever it's doing.
So you're right, because Iremember, I remember um praying
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so hard.
I want a specific job, I wantthis job, I want this job.
It was an internal job and Iwanted.
I did everything I knew Ineeded to get that job and I was
so happy, it was so wonderfuland fast forward, 10 years later
and I was like I hate this job,I don't want this job anymore.
I was like and I remembersaying to the to God at the time
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I'm like, I'm sorry, god, Iknow I said I really wanted this
and I'm so grateful that I gotit, but now it's time for
something else.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
Now it's time for something else and and it's,
it's okay all of that is okay,is okay your authentic self that
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speaks to you, that guides youfrom your heart, from your mind,
and the balance and harmonybetween the two.
And when you ask for that andit shows up, you can also
determine.
Well, how long am I supposed tobe here, how long am I to
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experience this before I need tomove on to something else or
another place?
And I guarantee you you willspeak to that, which also means
you will have if you don't gointo resistance like I did you
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will have an opportunity toenjoy where you are be grateful
for, where you are, knowing thatthat experience in that way has
a certain expiration date.
Okay, you may not even knowthat where you are now with the
job is going to morph intosomething else that, oh my God,
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this is, it's just, I have toget out of it.
So, before you get to that point, yourself may say, okay, you've
got six years here, and thentime to you know, move on.
And you may feel what, why?
This is the, this is theconversation with yourself,
right?
Why am I thinking that?
Why am I feeling that way?
Does that make any sense?
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I don't know.
I don't even know what's goingto happen six years from now.
What I envision where I'm goingto be is as an executive vp la
la.
And yet what your true self sayssix years is the length of time
for this experience, because Ihave something more expansive,
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something greater, somethingdifferent for you, and this is
part of the step that's going toget you where you're really
needing to go.
And so if you do that and don'tresist and I have been the
queen of resistance I don't sayI don't, I'm not a cantaholic,
but I was a resistaholic.
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You know, when there's thatpoint where you just give into
it, then it's like, oh my God,and that's where, also, not only
is there joy, but that's whereflow happens.
That's where real flow happens.
You don't even have to try todo something, you can have the
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thought connected to your trueself.
In that moment, you have theuniversal mind that knows it to
be true.
All of this comes in to balanceand into harmony, and then
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things just start popping off.
It's like within hours, days,things happen.
They just keep happening.
So that's why I wanted to share.
You know, when you were talkingabout you love the job, you
asked for it and wait, I don'tthink so, to avoid those moments
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of I don't think so.
How did I get myself here?
Why did this happen to me Well,but you know when you are in
gratitude, it's a moment of andhow long is this going to be
this way?
When will it be time to pivot?
And you may not get the exacttime, but you will receive a
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deeper knowing, a sense, uh, um,the, the visceral experience.
However you get it that, oh,this is good for three years, or
whatever it is.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
Yeah, it's interesting that you say that
you know and this it's.
It's interesting because Ithink when I was, I think, at
year seven, I heard in my, in mymind, 10 years 10 years.
At some point you're going toget it 10 years and I'm not
kidding you to almost to thedate of 10 years.
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About two months before two orthree months before 10 years, I
had to make a decision whether Iwas going to stay or I was
going to take an offer that Icouldn't refuse.
And so it led me to where I amnow today.
And so, you know, it led me towhere I am now today.
And had I not taken that offeror, you know, had I stayed, I
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would have been a very unhappy,probably very sick human.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
Yeah, I was going to say your body would take on so
much of the disharmony, that and, as we say, dis-easiness or
disease that it would havemanifested itself in your, in
your physical body also, youremotional body.
So, and who who needs that?
(33:03):
So I'm just kind of sharinglittle tidbits on what we can do
when we're where we tap in, andthat can mean at a time of
reflection, when you wake up inthe morning.
It can be a meditation, it canbe taking some breaths, it can
be just allowing yourself to beopen to the messages that come
(33:24):
from within and that theuniverse want to share with you.
And so, in the more that youpractice that and that's
something that's important foryou to trust yourself to receive
.
That's where trust comes in.
Can I trust that what I'mreceiving is true?
And if you trust that it is,it's amazing how, again, you're
(33:50):
more in sync with you knowwhat's happening.
And then all the can'ts becomeoh.
Not only are they cans, butthey are, will do, they are
absolute, they are, oh, havedone, oh, you know that's what
they become, and it's it's.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
It's so funny that you say that because I remember
someone telling me that's reallyhow your brain works, like you,
because I would never know,because you do this and this and
this and they just see theoutside and you know.
So I want to share that withpeople because you may see a
powerful, strong person aroundyou and not realize that you
(34:28):
know they are in their brainsaying, I, I can't do that, no
one's going to listen to this,this is not good, like no, and
you know and you work beyond it.
Right, you do begin to trustyourself, or process, or you
know you said you're aresistaholic and you know this
what resist, what you resist,persists.
So there's no other options.
(34:51):
But I will say from experience,and what you're teaching and
sharing with us today is whenyou trust the process and trust
yourself in the process, becausemany of us who, when we do step
into listening to ourselves,listening to our intuition,
(35:12):
connecting to our higher selves,I have, I still do this.
Is that me?
Is that just my conscious like?
Is that just my ego talking, oris that like my innards?
Is it?
Am I trusting my innards aswell?
Is that voice like?
Is that my voice?
Is that the voice of theuniverse?
And then we don't trust.
We don't trust that we cantrust it, and it's this vicious
(35:35):
cycle of insanity.
But, okay, when you intercedeand be like, okay, everybody,
because there's many of them inmy head, so everybody, just do
be the next thing like, or thething that you are right now
(35:57):
exactly usually, usuallyactually I feel a lot lighter
when I can just say okay, I'msaying this right now.
I've never said it everyone, buttruly it's like a million
different voices in my head andand the reality is, there's a
(36:18):
purpose for the ego.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
There's a purpose for the consciousness, conscious
mind, the subconscious mind, thesuper conscious, which is where
spirit dwells.
There's a reason why the heartand the, the energy of the heart
, is even more powerful thanthat of the brain.
Okay, um, and why?
(36:40):
And how they make up the energyfield.
There's a reason for all ofthat.
Do we need to understand all ofit?
Not necessarily.
We think it helps us In somecases, and the way some people
process it does, but notnecessarily.
All we need to know is that weare full integrated beings.
(37:04):
We are full integrated beingsthat are able to make a choice
and if we move out of resistance, else flows.
And that's it.
It's really just that simpleyeah, that sounds I think
complicated about it.
(37:25):
It takes a minute to get there,though because we have to go
through all of our stuff, youknow.
But it's interesting because Ifind myself in a particular
situation this month, which Iknow, you know about that.
I'm, you know, uh, workingthrough and, yes, my brain says
(37:51):
I really am ready to, like, dothese things, and yet at the
same time it's like, but now isnot the moment, it shall be, it
is when it is, and so don't bein resistance, just continue to
(38:13):
do what it is that you're doingand it will manifest.
So it's just a way to flowthrough all of that.
So I don't have a lot of theangst and the what have you.
I do get stuck a little bit oncertain vibrational energies yes
I do, I'll admit that, but itdoesn't mean that that can't
(38:38):
change or shift, or morph, youknow uh, in a different way and
I think that's not I'm not goinginto specifics right now, but I
but it's, it's really.
It's really about being able toflow yeah, and you know what.
Speaker 1 (38:55):
One important thing for our listeners is to
understand that you don't haveto know how, and that's true.
You know there are people inthe world that can support you,
that can help you.
I mean, that's part of whatwe're here to do in conversation
, so you can expand your mindand your thoughts as well.
As you know, we have awonderful online site that has
(39:18):
healers on it.
Through, you know the miracles,ultimate wellness resources you
can find.
You can find someone to help,you can listen to the podcast
you can listen to, you can watchour experts, and I think that's
important to say, too, thatnone of this is work that you
have to do alone.
While it's all an inside job youhave to do, someone else can't
(39:40):
do the work for you, right Elsecan't build trust for you.
There has to be the willingnessfor you to want to, and I'll
say that's that is one thingthat I know about myself.
I, even though I don't want to,comes and I resist and I can,
but overarching all of thosethoughts is always the
(40:02):
willingness to yes to try toovercome, to try to, you know,
be the best version of myself,because that's what I want.
I'm not saying everyone has towalk around me like I want to be
the best version of myself.
That's not what I'm saying.
Right, it is If you havesomething that you want to do
someone, somehow you want toshow up in the world, you know
(40:25):
it's it is.
It's.
It's not as easy as us having aconversation that magically
walk away and all of this stuffworks.
Speaker 2 (40:35):
You have to do the work, you do have to do the work
, you do, and sometimes the workOkay, let me back up a little
bit when you have that sincere,true desire, as you do, as I do
and so many of our listeners doto grow and to transmute energy
(41:01):
Transmuting is like transmutinganger into love.
So I, just so people understandwhat I'm referring to so, when
there's the desire to be in thatplace of growth in these
various ways, yes, it isimportant to consciously choose
(41:24):
and make choices where you areon that path and doing the work.
But as it is so ingrained as itis, so your core, your real,
authentic self, you will grow,even unconsciously.
And when you hear, maybe, aconversation like what we're
having now, or you hear so manyother wonderful people and
(41:50):
healing heroes out there, andyou find that, wow, I just heard
this and all of a sudden,things changed, I didn't have to
do any work, well, the realityis, you've been doing the work
the whole time.
You may not have been consciousof it and you were ready for
(42:10):
that cherry to be popped andsomebody said something, or you
did one little exercise and bam,it happened, and so, and we all
have those kinds of experiences, as well as the ones that are
like oh, it's so hard, but thehardness, the, the struggle, all
(42:33):
of that is nothing more than alack of trust, being in
resistance, not wanting to.
It's all of those differentthings.
I don't know if I can.
It's all of that stuff thatcreates the struggle to begin
(42:53):
with, and what I'm saying is putdown that sword, take a deep
breath, find that place or thatspace within you where you
recognize joyfulness, begrateful for that in the moment
(43:17):
and then allow yourself to makea choice when you ask the
question how long in thisexperience?
What next to take me where Iwant to go?
How can I for the solution?
And then you'll find thatthings start to come more into
(43:40):
harmony with each other.
I want to tell you somethingelse too.
I've been talking a lot aboutprogramming and all of that.
I think another thing that manyof us do when we go into all
this internal dialogue is wecontinue to see, hear and
experience things from outsideof us, from other people and
(44:01):
other sources and other places,and go oh my.
God, really we do that no.
Oh, I, I didn't know that.
Oh, okay, well, I'm not goingto do that anymore.
George Burns for those of youthat are old enough to remember
(44:38):
who he was, and if not, look himup George Burns and Gracie
Allen, his wife.
George Burns lived to be over100 years old, and every single
day that man smoked a cigar orcigars and he had a glass or two
(44:58):
, or three or maybe five ofwhiskey.
So if it were true in reality,that man should have passed away
when he was 40.
Speaker 1 (45:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (45:13):
He lived to be 100 or more.
Now, that's not to say that.
(45:44):
Really define what works bestfor you and what doesn't, and
what anybody else says, whatanybody else thinks.
Whatever is being spouted andtouted out there, leave it out
there, acknowledge it, acceptthat that was what works for
(46:08):
other people, but it's notnecessarily what works for me,
and so I can continue to flow.
I don't have to be inresistance.
I can experience joyfulness, Ican be in gratitude, even if
it's not popular, becausesomebody else is going through
an unfortunate situation.
I can empathize with you.
(46:28):
I can assist and serve to helpin that situation or to provide,
you know, in that tragedy.
Of course I'm now thinkingabout the LA fires, feelings,
(47:00):
the sense of what everyone elseis saying should happen and how
I need to do this and do that.
I don't have to take all ofthat on.
Nobody does.
None of us do so.
Anyway, it is important to likeput down your sword.
I'm asking everyone just putdown your sword.
Speaker 1 (47:14):
It doesn't have to just put down it doesn't have to
be a fight doesn't have to be afight yeah, I just have to be
in this conversation.
I think the thing that I'vewalked away with is it doesn't
have to be a fight, right, it's,it doesn't have to be a fight.
You can come from a place ofgratitude, connect to the,
(47:36):
whatever it is.
You declare you have theintention for your life to
literally put on the cone ofsilence.
I'm aging myself now.
You know, put the cone ofsilence on, you know, get smart
and then just be in a placewhere you can let go of
everything else and from that,that place and I'm getting you
(48:02):
know one of the one of thegreatest places to do that is
through meditation, to just letyour mind quiet, let it open up
to whatever's there, to let goof the resistance.
And I would say another thingthat can help people is to
journal.
That helps a lot to just get itall out, you know, and and and
(48:22):
just yeah, there's so many waysyes, there's so many ways to
just to just release.
Speaker 2 (48:31):
Yeah, the the way that I learned meditation and
part of my meditation, althoughI've incorporated other things
into it as well.
But one of the biggest thingsis learning how to release and
doing it so consistently whereit is a habit.
(48:53):
You you wake up in the morningand you're going to brush your
teeth.
You know you don't even thinkabout I'm not going to brush.
You don't forget to brush.
You know it's like becauseafter a while you're like, oh
okay, I need to brush my teeth,right.
So when you practice releasingand letting go and there are
specific ways and techniques inwhich to do that, what happens
(49:19):
is over time and I have foundwith me doing this over four
years.
When I move into a certain placewhere I have a lot of
anxiousness or I have differentthoughts or feelings that are
not productive to how I want tomove forward, I immediately not
(49:39):
only use that technique, but Iimmediately think, lynn, let it
go.
And as soon as I think let it go, it's gone, because I have been
practicing it for so long thateven the thought, even the me
saying out loud, lynn, let it go, is let go of.
(50:00):
I don't, I don't hold on to itanymore.
And so that's something that Ifeel that you know when we were
talking at the beginning of allof this conversation in terms of
consistency be consistent inletting go of those energies,
the feelings, the thoughts,whatever it is that comes up for
(50:24):
you in a certain moment thatyou believe is restricting,
holding back, holding downyourself from moving forward in
the way in which you choose tomove forward.
And so, when you learn how tolet go of that and then find
(50:44):
your joyful place or places interms of thoughts that can emote
the feelings, or you connectwith the feelings, that then may
bring up certain visuals andmemories, however you do it, as
you start doing those things,you'll find that you will be and
, of course, gratitude for allof it.
(51:06):
No matter what you'reexperiencing, no matter how
awful it feels or howmagnificent it feels, still be
grateful for the experiencebecause it allows room for
growth and to transcend.
We're all here to keeptranscending and transcending
and transcending andtranscending, and so be grateful
(51:27):
for that process, whatever itfeels like, looks like, thinks
like, is like, and then you moveto a place where you pretty
much flow.
Speaker 1 (51:38):
You can let go.
And I think this is where weround up our conversation,
because I think it's it is.
This was a wonderfulconversation to have and, for
those who are listening in, youknow, please like, comment,
share.
If you're watching on onYouTube, if you're on Spotify or
(51:58):
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thoughts.
We want to know.
Do you have any questions?
Are there any topics you wantus to talk about?
Because you know we're here foryou, or, or, literally, we're
just pressing record to normalconversations that we have.
By the way, these conversationsthat we're having, I want to let
(52:18):
you know, are not justsomething we show up and record.
This is precursor to every oneof our meetings.
I think every time we come towork together, we are actually
like oh so what's going on withyou and what's going on with you
?
And then we have all of theseelevated conversations and I'm
so blessed because I get to walkaway being elevated, and not
only just my personal life, butalso my business life and all of
(52:40):
these things.
So, you know, we're justletting like, pulling the
curtain back to conversation,Because, let me tell you, we
have like maybe a 30 minutemeeting scheduled, which or
regularly, turns into an hourand a half of let's talk about
this.
You know, this thing that'sgoing on and this thing that's
(53:02):
going on and I love it and I'mso grateful.
Speaker 2 (53:04):
So I do too.
Thank you, I do too.
Speaker 1 (53:07):
Yes For you.
Thank you for all of you wholisten in and hey, if you want
to be a part of the conversation, check out our website at
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Be part of the conversation, bepart of our community.
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Speaker 2 (02:36):
I was thinking of what we would talk about today
but I've had very little sleepand my aunt's in the hospital
and I don't know what kind ofcondition she's in right now.
But I was just going to say youknow, when you have that energy
(02:56):
of I don't want to, that'sresistance.
And it often is more of afeeling than it is.
It's.
We call feelings emotions, butwe spoke about that before.
It's more of a feeling in thatmoment in time, but it has
nothing to do with anythingother than the fact that your,
(03:22):
your place of passion in thatmoment is maybe to stay in bed,
nice and warm.
Stay nice and cozy in the bed,and the passion is stronger than
oh, I got to get up andexercise.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
The noise is much louder than my want to live to
100 years old for sure in thatmoment.
In that moment in that moment,right and so so, welcome
everybody you've.
We have decided to press recordin the middle of our
conversations because they startoff so powerfully.
And then today, lynn said justpress record, can, let's just
start.
So we've started.
You're here with me, ninaganguly, and the esteemed
(04:01):
wonderful ceo of miracles,ultimate wellness resources,
lynn harrod, diverges, and we'retalking about trusting and the
esteemed wonderful CEO ofMiracles, ultimate Wellness
Resources, lynn Harrod-Divergis,and we're talking about
trusting self.
And you know, and all of thehealing work that I believe that
I've done, if I'm, you know,when I'm sharing, is all about
creating.
Well, I used to think it wasfinding my authentic self and
(04:23):
you know now maybe it has alwaysbeen about that but also
trusting that authentic self.
After years of being told who Ishould be, how I should act,
what I should think, whetherit's by parents or friends or
society, I'm in that space nowof discovering who I am and then
trusting that.
(04:43):
Trusting who I am, trustingmyself to do what I say I'm
going to do, um, being authentic, understanding what that is
it's.
It's interesting because I, theway I see it, it's like I'm
growing up.
You know, I'm coming out ofthis teenage girl syndrome,
(05:04):
becoming a mature woman, as afriend, as a daughter, as a
mother, as a wife Boy have Ibeen immature in my marriage?
For sure.
That 15 year old girl is like.
She shows up as soon as you tryand tell her what to do or what
to think.
And it's just, it's interestingthat what you're saying about,
(05:24):
well, it's in that moment, inthe moment of, nah, I don't
wanna, it's the giving into thatrebellion or losing focus for
me, losing focus of what it isthat I'm, I'm out to do, and the
full goal is, or the fullpurpose of of what you're moving
toward?
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Sure, sure, yeah, sure.
And the reality is, being yourauthentic self is something that
everyone is all the time.
So, all of this talk about, oh,I have to be my authentic self.
I have to find my authenticself.
Okay, I have to find myselfbeing a woman of the age.
(06:08):
I am no, you just are right.
And so it's like you said, it'strusting, trusting who you are,
and we all know that, frombirth to and it's a continuum
throughout our life, we areconstantly being programmed for
(06:28):
various things.
And then, as we continue togrow and become um more mature,
we move from 15 to 17.
As we, as we go through thatprocess, then we think, well,
maybe the way I was thinking atthat 15 year old self isn't
(06:50):
really real anymore, because youhave experiences, you have, um,
uh, other things that you havebeen told, that you have done,
that you have shared, thatyou've experienced, and so at
those junctures, you are okay, Iguess I have to find my real
(07:12):
authentic self.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
No, you're being authentic.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
At that time you are still your authentic self.
But when you move into thoseplaces where, when you move into
those places where I'm going tosay this I have to exercise, I
have to eat the right foods, Ihave to this, I have to that, it
(07:37):
puts us into a place where westart believing that that's
exactly what we need to do inorder to make the changes we
have to make.
And the truth is, when you can,in that moment, you feel what
you feel be your authentic selfand trust in where you are, at
(08:08):
that moment you may discover Idon't really have to exercise
like that.
I really don't have to eat oreliminate certain foods.
I really don't have to anything.
What I can do is just be in thismoment and experience what I'm
experiencing.
And, oh my gosh, the coversfeel so warm and cozy because
it's cold outside and you knowwhat I can give myself this
(08:30):
moment in a very authentic place, to do that.
And then, when I move, to move,I will get up and I will then
choose to do the things that Ifeel would be self-care, would
be beneficial for my movingforward, that I can be in
(08:52):
gratitude about.
And as you start doing that,then joy comes.
There's like an internal joythat, no matter what you feel,
that joy is always going to bepresent.
It's like it's it's so, it'sdeep, but it's always there and
it always reminds you you'rebeing authentic, you're doing
(09:13):
what you need to do, you'rewhere you need to be.
Stop sweating it oh I'm.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
It's like you're in my brain, like, okay, I'm just
going to do this and then I'mgoing to reconnect to.
For me it's like reconnect tothe, the bigger goal for myself,
cause you know, there's aconstant chatter in here and I
think everybody deals with thatconstant chatter, whether it's,
(09:41):
you know, moving you forward,keeping you still, whatever,
whatever it is, there is thisconstant I have to, which then
means like it's not a choice ifyou say you have to right you,
you believe it's not a choiceand it's so funny because it's
the thing that I've created.
I've created the schedule.
(10:01):
I've decided this is what Iwant.
It's's all about me and, uh,you know, if anyone has heard me
talk in any other place, I talkabout that rebellious me that I
am, who, most of the time,whenever I put some sort of
something in place, I'm like Idon't want to.
I put these two days aside todo this.
I don't want to.
And there is that piece of me,the, the grown-up part of me,
(10:25):
the more mature part of me, theone that's more committed to I
want I, I get to.
This is going to be the endresult is amazing.
That gets to also step in andbe like hey, I get, you don't
want to.
It's funny because my brain,for the longest time, didn't
speak to.
I didn't speak to myself way, Ididn't acknowledge that I don't
(10:46):
want to.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Okay, and most of us don't, because why?
You're not supposed to havethat attitude, you're not
supposed to think that way.
Yeah, exactly, but when you do,because I go into a lot of I
don't want to.
There are many things that youknow, like all of us, I fully
receive absolute pleasure indoing.
(11:07):
And then there are those thingswhere it's like, but I don't
want to do that part, I don'twant to do that now, you know,
whatever it is.
But the reality is, don't youfind that, even when you don't
want to, once you allow yourselfto really move into that place
(11:30):
and no longer resist it andtrust who you are?
In the experience it's like oh,my god, I got such a healing
from doing that, or it was sowonderful.
Oh, I feel so much better.
I.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
I, there's something that you said that's so uh, I
don't know what the right wordis, but it you hit the nail on
(12:07):
the head, it's like that bringsyou joy.
So then you go back into astate of joy and you can pat
yourself on the back and dowhatever you need to do to say,
hey, yeah, you did thatAbsolutely.
And that's where that trust,you begin to trust yourself.
Or I've become I'm talkingabout me I begin to trust that.
Oh, I'm going to natural.
(12:29):
My natural way of being is Idon't want to and I can't.
I can't do that and I don'twant to.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Okay, that's not really your full natural way,
but usually the first timesomething comes to me that.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
I don't want to, or I find it remotely.
My brain thinks, oh, that'sgoing to be too hard, too much
effort, too much effort, toomuch time.
This is, this is how my brainoperates.
Um, and the time I have, in thepast, spent ruminating about I
don't want to and I can't dothat, and when I put that aside
and I say, okay, when I'm notarguing with you anymore, we're
(13:08):
just gonna do this well, youknow what you can do, everything
you're thinking in terms ofwhat you can't do and the
arguments that you have withyourself.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Just record it and then, when something comes up
you can you don't have to thinkabout it just hit play.
And then you're like oh okay,I've just argued with myself,
okay, I don't even have to, Idon't have to do that anymore in
my head you know, because it'sright there, it's right there
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it's.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
It's an interesting.
I always find it it quitefascinating the way our brains
operate or the things that wesay to ourselves and how we try
to convince ourselves that, youknow, we really don't want to do
something or we really can't dosomething.
And you know, one of the thingsthat I do is I've coined the
term cantaholic.
(14:01):
Many years ago about 10 yearsago, I wrote a book called
Confessions of a Cantaholic.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
I really like that I had.
I've never heard you use thatterm and all the time that I've
known you, so this isinteresting.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
I'm a recovering cantaholic A recovering
cantaholic.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
Okay, okay, and most people are cantaholics.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
Yeah, and you don't realize.
You don't realize the power inthose thoughts and the that you
know the choices that you make.
I'm right now, I'm rereadingthe four agreements and
reminding myself about, aboutwell, he calls it a dream state.
We can talk about the matrixand we can go into all kinds of
(14:44):
discussions, but everything wesee and feel and experience is
everything that we have createdand you've you've spoken about
this too in in our pastdiscussions which is you can
choose to see a world full ofpossibility or you can choose to
see a world full of obstacles,and I can't.
(15:06):
Yes, for a very long time.
That's the world.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
That's, that was the view for which I saw the world
and so many people, the whatyou're talking about and what
you experience, what similar tothings that I've experienced,
although I don't experience itquite in the same way.
But everyone goes through thesedifferent types of processes,
(15:37):
internal processes, and you knowI've not read the four
agreements, but it is true, youcan and that's part of our
personal power always make thechoice on how you choose to see,
(15:57):
think about, act and do in theworld and within yourself.
That is just, that's ourstrength, that's our superpower.
It's just that we have beenprogrammed to believe that we're
not able to access it or fullytap into it.
Or, oh okay, there has to beeffort in order to make that
(16:21):
work.
Oh no, I need to struggle toget there, or whatever the
beliefs are.
And it's not just because ofwhat we've been told, it's
because of what we see, it'sbecause of what we've
experienced in different ways.
It's because of and when I saywhat we see authority figures
(16:41):
and other figures when we'reyoung, what they've dealt with,
what they've gone through, howit's affected us, how we've
dealt with it from a feelingslevel, all of that.
But we always still have, ofcourse, the choice.
A friend of mine asked me lastnight we were chatting, and so
(17:03):
she has a wonderful group.
We get together every twomonths and she said I'm going to
ask everyone in the group thistime what makes them joyful.
And I was thinking about that,and this piggybacks a little bit
(17:25):
into what you were talkingabout.
When one is in a state of joyand you can find that pocket in
every moment that allows you toexperience joyfulness, then the
(17:46):
canaholic stuff goes away.
Right it just you cannot be.
Or let me put it this way, twoforms of energy cannot be in the
same space exactly at the sametime.
In the same way.
Something has to give somewhere.
(18:08):
If you are experiencing yourjoyfulness in every way possible
, then you're able to see andchoose from that perspective of.
I feel uncomfortable with this,but I know that I can do
(18:30):
something about that.
I can choose differently.
There is a solution, there is astep that can be taken.
I just need to, for this moment, be in a place of joyfulness.
And so how do you get intojoyfulness, thinking about all
(18:56):
those wonderful things?
I hear Julie Andrews and thesound of music singing in my
head right now.
You know all of the wonderfulthings, right?
So we can think about thosethings in the moment, just kind
of make that shift or thatlittle adjustment.
We can also move into a placeof connecting with what it is we
(19:45):
truly choose to see ourselvesbeing in the next moment and the
next moment and all thosemoments that lead up to next
month, next year, 10 years fromnow, okay and experience the joy
in that we can tap into how wewant to experience ourselves and
how we want others toexperience us as well.
And so there are all thesedifferent ways.
And so when she was asking methat question last night, I had
a pat answer for it, but thismorning in meditation.
(20:05):
You know, I'm always inmeditation one way or another,
one way or another, but thismorning in meditation what came
up was hmm, I experience joymost of the time because I am in
in my head and in my beingalways saying, oh, I am so
(20:29):
grateful for it has become sucha habitual habit that's
redundant, but you understandwhat I'm saying anyway.
It's, you know, it's alwaysbeing in that place of gratitude
.
I'm so grateful that we're ableto have this conversation.
(20:51):
I'm so grateful that in thisconversation, we and anyone else
listening for those that are inthat space are able to grow and
and learn and gain somethingfrom it.
I am, you know, grateful forbeing able to be in a nice, warm
environment right now and notin a cold blizzard.
(21:15):
You know, it's like there areso many different things.
You're not in a cold blizzard.
It might be outside, but Iguarantee you where you're
sitting right now it's not cold,right.
So you give thanks for that.
That's what I'm saying.
Yes, so those are ways toreally be in a place of joy.
(21:39):
So then, what are you joyfulfor?
And, as I was in my process, I'mlike, oh, I'm joyful every time
I see a butterfly emerge from acocoon.
I emerge from a cocoon.
(21:59):
I'm joyful when I see someonewho may have been in a place of
anger or grief or despair movethrough that and find that place
within them where they arejoyful and or they're at peace.
I experience joyfulness when Ican just sit and have a glass of
wine and watch a great moviewith my husband.
(22:21):
You know it's like the and all.
There are so many ways toexperience joyfulness.
So I believe and to be gratefulfor all of those moments.
So I believe that when you gointo a place where you're like I
can't, I don't want to, no, Ijust don't want to, you can in
(22:46):
that moment, say I am sograteful that I can even choose
not to.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
Oh, my gosh, you're so right.
I just had an aha moment,because there are moments when
my eyes open Most of the time.
That I don't wanna and I can'tusually happens when my eyes
open and my brain turns on andthinks about all the things that
have to get done throughout theday.
But one of the things I havebeen missing and I'll just tell
one on myself is to realize Iactually am so blessed that I
(23:17):
get the choice to say I don'twant to do this right now,
because many people they don'thave the choice, so to speak,
for.
Oh, you know, I have X, y, zthings that I need to get done.
I don't have to do it at eightin the morning if I don't want
to.
That's true.
I could literally do it at noonor some other time, so long as
(23:38):
I am, you know, meeting therequirements of the meeting
deadlines and doing the thingsthat I have given my word to
doing, so long as they'regetting done.
Not everyone has that abilityor that opportunity and I am
truly grateful.
I am truly grateful for theflexibility that I have in my
life and the support systemsthat allow that flexibility, you
(24:03):
know.
You know even the way that wework together.
I'm so grateful because I'vebeen in a place where I wasn't
able to work the way that I workbest.
So it's.
It is something to be saidabout.
Yes, okay, I might not want to,you know, and I remember going
(24:23):
through a training program wherethe leader of the classroom was
saying that is her way of being.
Almost every single moment ofher day, she just wants to be in
her pajamas and watch tv and,you know, not try and transform
or change the world or be aleader, and and that's okay too,
that's okay.
If that is absolutely is yournatural state of being is like,
(24:46):
yeah, I, I just want to be on abeach and have a mai tai, which
you know is my natural state.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
It's like I know that's your net.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
Now that is your like every time someone says go to
your happy place, I'm on a beachdoesn't always have to be with
the Mai Tai, but I am definitelyon the beach with the sun on my
face and I do get many, manyopportunities to live my life
there and I, um, and so what?
Let me just go back again andsay what she was saying is like
(25:13):
you can have that running in thebackground still and say, okay,
that's, that is just your, youjust want to be on a beach.
Okay, great, and and oh, but noanything else.
And you know there's also apart of you, oh for them, for me
, there's a part of me thatmakes to be of service.
(25:35):
You know I can be on the beach,but that at some point even my
mind starts being like, okay,now I'll do something else.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
Well, you know, and that's, and that's also the
other aspect Imagine yourselflying on the beach and, for
those that are listening,imagine yourself being in a
place or doing something thatyou love, and you do it for a
day, and it's wonderful.
And you do it for three daysand like, wow, yeah, this is
(26:06):
still good.
And you do it for a month, andyou do it for three months the
same thing.
And you do it for a year.
And you do it for three months,the same thing.
And you do it for a year andyou do it for two years.
The the truth of it is, at somepoint you'll go.
Okay, really, I'm done withthis now because we're growing
(26:28):
in dynamic human beings.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
We really don't love homeostasis.
I think like that whole that'strue, that's my point yes, our
bodies are constantly like wecould be lying on the beach, yes
, and do the same thing everyday, but something inside of us
is constantly continuing,changing and morphing and you
know doing whatever it's doing.
So you're right, because Iremember, I remember um praying
(26:52):
so hard.
I want a specific job, I wantthis job, I want this job.
It was an internal job and Iwanted.
I did everything I knew Ineeded to get that job and I was
so happy, it was so wonderfuland fast forward, 10 years later
and I was like I hate this job,I don't want this job anymore.
I was like and I remembersaying to the to God at the time
(27:15):
I'm like, I'm sorry, god, Iknow I said I really wanted this
and I'm so grateful that I gotit, but now it's time for
something else.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
Now it's time for something else and and it's,
it's okay all of that is okay,is okay your authentic self that
(27:54):
speaks to you, that guides youfrom your heart, from your mind,
and the balance and harmonybetween the two.
And when you ask for that andit shows up, you can also
determine.
Well, how long am I supposed tobe here, how long am I to
(28:18):
experience this before I need tomove on to something else or
another place?
And I guarantee you you willspeak to that, which also means
you will have if you don't gointo resistance like I did you
(28:40):
will have an opportunity toenjoy where you are be grateful
for, where you are, knowing thatthat experience in that way has
a certain expiration date.
Okay, you may not even knowthat where you are now with the
job is going to morph intosomething else that, oh my God,
(29:03):
this is, it's just, I have toget out of it.
So, before you get to that point, yourself may say, okay, you've
got six years here, and thentime to you know, move on.
And you may feel what, why?
This is the, this is theconversation with yourself,
right?
Why am I thinking that?
Why am I feeling that way?
Does that make any sense?
(29:23):
I don't know.
I don't even know what's goingto happen six years from now.
What I envision where I'm goingto be is as an executive vp la
la.
And yet what your true self sayssix years is the length of time
for this experience, because Ihave something more expansive,
(29:46):
something greater, somethingdifferent for you, and this is
part of the step that's going toget you where you're really
needing to go.
And so if you do that and don'tresist and I have been the
queen of resistance I don't sayI don't, I'm not a cantaholic,
but I was a resistaholic.
(30:09):
You know, when there's thatpoint where you just give into
it, then it's like, oh my God,and that's where, also, not only
is there joy, but that's whereflow happens.
That's where real flow happens.
You don't even have to try todo something, you can have the
(30:33):
thought connected to your trueself.
In that moment, you have theuniversal mind that knows it to
be true.
All of this comes in to balanceand into harmony, and then
(30:53):
things just start popping off.
It's like within hours, days,things happen.
They just keep happening.
So that's why I wanted to share.
You know, when you were talkingabout you love the job, you
asked for it and wait, I don'tthink so, to avoid those moments
(31:18):
of I don't think so.
How did I get myself here?
Why did this happen to me Well,but you know when you are in
gratitude, it's a moment of andhow long is this going to be
this way?
When will it be time to pivot?
And you may not get the exacttime, but you will receive a
(31:40):
deeper knowing, a sense, uh, um,the, the visceral experience.
However you get it that, oh,this is good for three years, or
whatever it is.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
Yeah, it's interesting that you say that
you know and this it's.
It's interesting because Ithink when I was, I think, at
year seven, I heard in my, in mymind, 10 years 10 years.
At some point you're going toget it 10 years and I'm not
kidding you to almost to thedate of 10 years.
(32:15):
About two months before two orthree months before 10 years, I
had to make a decision whether Iwas going to stay or I was
going to take an offer that Icouldn't refuse.
And so it led me to where I amnow today.
And so, you know, it led me towhere I am now today.
And had I not taken that offeror, you know, had I stayed, I
(32:36):
would have been a very unhappy,probably very sick human.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
Yeah, I was going to say your body would take on so
much of the disharmony, that and, as we say, dis-easiness or
disease that it would havemanifested itself in your, in
your physical body also, youremotional body.
So, and who who needs that?
(33:03):
So I'm just kind of sharinglittle tidbits on what we can do
when we're where we tap in, andthat can mean at a time of
reflection, when you wake up inthe morning.
It can be a meditation, it canbe taking some breaths, it can
be just allowing yourself to beopen to the messages that come
(33:24):
from within and that theuniverse want to share with you.
And so, in the more that youpractice that and that's
something that's important foryou to trust yourself to receive
.
That's where trust comes in.
Can I trust that what I'mreceiving is true?
And if you trust that it is,it's amazing how, again, you're
(33:50):
more in sync with you knowwhat's happening.
And then all the can'ts becomeoh.
Not only are they cans, butthey are, will do, they are
absolute, they are, oh, havedone, oh, you know that's what
they become, and it's it's.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
It's so funny that you say that because I remember
someone telling me that's reallyhow your brain works, like you,
because I would never know,because you do this and this and
this and they just see theoutside and you know.
So I want to share that withpeople because you may see a
powerful, strong person aroundyou and not realize that you
(34:28):
know they are in their brainsaying, I, I can't do that, no
one's going to listen to this,this is not good, like no, and
you know and you work beyond it.
Right, you do begin to trustyourself, or process, or you
know you said you're aresistaholic and you know this
what resist, what you resist,persists.
So there's no other options.
(34:51):
But I will say from experience,and what you're teaching and
sharing with us today is whenyou trust the process and trust
yourself in the process, becausemany of us who, when we do step
into listening to ourselves,listening to our intuition,
(35:12):
connecting to our higher selves,I have, I still do this.
Is that me?
Is that just my conscious like?
Is that just my ego talking, oris that like my innards?
Is it?
Am I trusting my innards aswell?
Is that voice like?
Is that my voice?
Is that the voice of theuniverse?
And then we don't trust.
We don't trust that we cantrust it, and it's this vicious
(35:35):
cycle of insanity.
But, okay, when you intercedeand be like, okay, everybody,
because there's many of them inmy head, so everybody, just do
be the next thing like, or thething that you are right now
(35:57):
exactly usually, usuallyactually I feel a lot lighter
when I can just say okay, I'msaying this right now.
I've never said it everyone, buttruly it's like a million
different voices in my head andand the reality is, there's a
(36:18):
purpose for the ego.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
There's a purpose for the consciousness, conscious
mind, the subconscious mind, thesuper conscious, which is where
spirit dwells.
There's a reason why the heartand the, the energy of the heart
, is even more powerful thanthat of the brain.
Okay, um, and why?
(36:40):
And how they make up the energyfield.
There's a reason for all ofthat.
Do we need to understand all ofit?
Not necessarily.
We think it helps us In somecases, and the way some people
process it does, but notnecessarily.
All we need to know is that weare full integrated beings.
(37:04):
We are full integrated beingsthat are able to make a choice
and if we move out of resistance, else flows.
And that's it.
It's really just that simpleyeah, that sounds I think
complicated about it.
(37:25):
It takes a minute to get there,though because we have to go
through all of our stuff, youknow.
But it's interesting because Ifind myself in a particular
situation this month, which Iknow, you know about that.
I'm, you know, uh, workingthrough and, yes, my brain says
(37:51):
I really am ready to, like, dothese things, and yet at the
same time it's like, but now isnot the moment, it shall be, it
is when it is, and so don't bein resistance, just continue to
(38:13):
do what it is that you're doingand it will manifest.
So it's just a way to flowthrough all of that.
So I don't have a lot of theangst and the what have you.
I do get stuck a little bit oncertain vibrational energies yes
I do, I'll admit that, but itdoesn't mean that that can't
(38:38):
change or shift, or morph, youknow uh, in a different way and
I think that's not I'm not goinginto specifics right now, but I
but it's, it's really.
It's really about being able toflow yeah, and you know what.
Speaker 1 (38:55):
One important thing for our listeners is to
understand that you don't haveto know how, and that's true.
You know there are people inthe world that can support you,
that can help you.
I mean, that's part of whatwe're here to do in conversation
, so you can expand your mindand your thoughts as well.
As you know, we have awonderful online site that has
(39:18):
healers on it.
Through, you know the miracles,ultimate wellness resources you
can find.
You can find someone to help,you can listen to the podcast
you can listen to, you can watchour experts, and I think that's
important to say, too, thatnone of this is work that you
have to do alone.
While it's all an inside job youhave to do, someone else can't
(39:40):
do the work for you, right Elsecan't build trust for you.
There has to be the willingnessfor you to want to, and I'll
say that's that is one thingthat I know about myself.
I, even though I don't want to,comes and I resist and I can,
but overarching all of thosethoughts is always the
(40:02):
willingness to yes to try toovercome, to try to, you know,
be the best version of myself,because that's what I want.
I'm not saying everyone has towalk around me like I want to be
the best version of myself.
That's not what I'm saying.
Right, it is If you havesomething that you want to do
someone, somehow you want toshow up in the world, you know
(40:25):
it's it is.
It's.
It's not as easy as us having aconversation that magically
walk away and all of this stuffworks.
Speaker 2 (40:35):
You have to do the work, you do have to do the work
, you do, and sometimes the workOkay, let me back up a little
bit when you have that sincere,true desire, as you do, as I do
and so many of our listeners doto grow and to transmute energy
(41:01):
Transmuting is like transmutinganger into love.
So I, just so people understandwhat I'm referring to so, when
there's the desire to be in thatplace of growth in these
various ways, yes, it isimportant to consciously choose
(41:24):
and make choices where you areon that path and doing the work.
But as it is so ingrained as itis, so your core, your real,
authentic self, you will grow,even unconsciously.
And when you hear, maybe, aconversation like what we're
having now, or you hear so manyother wonderful people and
(41:50):
healing heroes out there, andyou find that, wow, I just heard
this and all of a sudden,things changed, I didn't have to
do any work, well, the realityis, you've been doing the work
the whole time.
You may not have been consciousof it and you were ready for
(42:10):
that cherry to be popped andsomebody said something, or you
did one little exercise and bam,it happened, and so, and we all
have those kinds of experiences, as well as the ones that are
like oh, it's so hard, but thehardness, the, the struggle, all
(42:33):
of that is nothing more than alack of trust, being in
resistance, not wanting to.
It's all of those differentthings.
I don't know if I can.
It's all of that stuff thatcreates the struggle to begin
(42:53):
with, and what I'm saying is putdown that sword, take a deep
breath, find that place or thatspace within you where you
recognize joyfulness, begrateful for that in the moment
(43:17):
and then allow yourself to makea choice when you ask the
question how long in thisexperience?
What next to take me where Iwant to go?
How can I for the solution?
And then you'll find thatthings start to come more into
(43:40):
harmony with each other.
I want to tell you somethingelse too.
I've been talking a lot aboutprogramming and all of that.
I think another thing that manyof us do when we go into all
this internal dialogue is wecontinue to see, hear and
experience things from outsideof us, from other people and
(44:01):
other sources and other places,and go oh my.
God, really we do that no.
Oh, I, I didn't know that.
Oh, okay, well, I'm not goingto do that anymore.
George Burns for those of youthat are old enough to remember
(44:38):
who he was, and if not, look himup George Burns and Gracie
Allen, his wife.
George Burns lived to be over100 years old, and every single
day that man smoked a cigar orcigars and he had a glass or two
(44:58):
, or three or maybe five ofwhiskey.
So if it were true in reality,that man should have passed away
when he was 40.
Speaker 1 (45:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (45:13):
He lived to be 100 or more.
Now, that's not to say that.
(45:44):
Really define what works bestfor you and what doesn't, and
what anybody else says, whatanybody else thinks.
Whatever is being spouted andtouted out there, leave it out
there, acknowledge it, acceptthat that was what works for
(46:08):
other people, but it's notnecessarily what works for me,
and so I can continue to flow.
I don't have to be inresistance.
I can experience joyfulness, Ican be in gratitude, even if
it's not popular, becausesomebody else is going through
an unfortunate situation.
I can empathize with you.
(46:28):
I can assist and serve to helpin that situation or to provide,
you know, in that tragedy.
Of course I'm now thinkingabout the LA fires, feelings,
(47:00):
the sense of what everyone elseis saying should happen and how
I need to do this and do that.
I don't have to take all ofthat on.
Nobody does.
None of us do so.
Anyway, it is important to likeput down your sword.
I'm asking everyone just putdown your sword.
Speaker 1 (47:14):
It doesn't have to just put down it doesn't have to
be a fight doesn't have to be afight yeah, I just have to be
in this conversation.
I think the thing that I'vewalked away with is it doesn't
have to be a fight, right, it's,it doesn't have to be a fight.
You can come from a place ofgratitude, connect to the,
(47:36):
whatever it is.
You declare you have theintention for your life to
literally put on the cone ofsilence.
I'm aging myself now.
You know, put the cone ofsilence on, you know, get smart
and then just be in a placewhere you can let go of
everything else and from that,that place and I'm getting you
(48:02):
know one of the one of thegreatest places to do that is
through meditation, to just letyour mind quiet, let it open up
to whatever's there, to let goof the resistance.
And I would say another thingthat can help people is to
journal.
That helps a lot to just get itall out, you know, and and and
(48:22):
just yeah, there's so many waysyes, there's so many ways to
just to just release.
Speaker 2 (48:31):
Yeah, the the way that I learned meditation and
part of my meditation, althoughI've incorporated other things
into it as well.
But one of the biggest thingsis learning how to release and
doing it so consistently whereit is a habit.
(48:53):
You you wake up in the morningand you're going to brush your
teeth.
You know you don't even thinkabout I'm not going to brush.
You don't forget to brush.
You know it's like becauseafter a while you're like, oh
okay, I need to brush my teeth,right.
So when you practice releasingand letting go and there are
specific ways and techniques inwhich to do that, what happens
(49:19):
is over time and I have foundwith me doing this over four
years.
When I move into a certain placewhere I have a lot of
anxiousness or I have differentthoughts or feelings that are
not productive to how I want tomove forward, I immediately not
(49:39):
only use that technique, but Iimmediately think, lynn, let it
go.
And as soon as I think let it go, it's gone, because I have been
practicing it for so long thateven the thought, even the me
saying out loud, lynn, let it go, is let go of.
(50:00):
I don't, I don't hold on to itanymore.
And so that's something that Ifeel that you know when we were
talking at the beginning of allof this conversation in terms of
consistency be consistent inletting go of those energies,
the feelings, the thoughts,whatever it is that comes up for
(50:24):
you in a certain moment thatyou believe is restricting,
holding back, holding downyourself from moving forward in
the way in which you choose tomove forward.
And so, when you learn how tolet go of that and then find
(50:44):
your joyful place or places interms of thoughts that can emote
the feelings, or you connectwith the feelings, that then may
bring up certain visuals andmemories, however you do it, as
you start doing those things,you'll find that you will be and
, of course, gratitude for allof it.
(51:06):
No matter what you'reexperiencing, no matter how
awful it feels or howmagnificent it feels, still be
grateful for the experiencebecause it allows room for
growth and to transcend.
We're all here to keeptranscending and transcending
and transcending andtranscending, and so be grateful
(51:27):
for that process, whatever itfeels like, looks like, thinks
like, is like, and then you moveto a place where you pretty
much flow.
Speaker 1 (51:38):
You can let go.
And I think this is where weround up our conversation,
because I think it's it is.
This was a wonderfulconversation to have and, for
those who are listening in, youknow, please like, comment,
share.
If you're watching on onYouTube, if you're on Spotify or
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listening in, we'd love for youto share this, share your
thoughts.
We want to know.
Do you have any questions?
Are there any topics you wantus to talk about?
Because you know we're here foryou, or, or, literally, we're
just pressing record to normalconversations that we have.
By the way, these conversationsthat we're having, I want to let
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you know, are not justsomething we show up and record.
This is precursor to every oneof our meetings.
I think every time we come towork together, we are actually
like oh so what's going on withyou and what's going on with you
?
And then we have all of theseelevated conversations and I'm
so blessed because I get to walkaway being elevated, and not
only just my personal life, butalso my business life and all of
(52:40):
these things.
So, you know, we're justletting like, pulling the
curtain back to conversation,Because, let me tell you, we
have like maybe a 30 minutemeeting scheduled, which or
regularly, turns into an hourand a half of let's talk about
this.
You know, this thing that'sgoing on and this thing that's
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going on and I love it and I'mso grateful.
Speaker 2 (53:04):
So I do too.
Thank you, I do too.
Speaker 1 (53:07):
Yes For you.
Thank you for all of you wholisten in and hey, if you want
to be a part of the conversation, check out our website at
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podcast.
Be part of the conversation, bepart of our community.
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We invite you.
All are welcome and until nexttime.
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healing journey.
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