October 1, 2025 • 35 mins
In this episode of the Heallist Podcast, Salima Adelstein, a Sufi spiritual guide with over 35 years of experience, explores the power of shifting from the mind to the heart. With teachings that have touched 40,000+ people, she shares how Sufism helps uncover the divine secrets placed within the heart.
Unlike mind-focused meditation, Sufism works through the heart center to open pathways of connection. Salima highlights how true healing begins with wholeness, not illness. By addressing root causes rather than symptoms, Sufism provides both emotional purification and the beautification of human qualities into their divine form.
Key takeaways:
- Sufism focuses on heart wisdom, not the mind or chakras.
- Shift from head to heart using sound vibrations like “ah.”
- Connecting to the heart reveals inner light and guidance.
- Practice purifies blockages and transforms human qualities into divine ones.
- Addresses root causes of illness, not just symptoms.
- The heart contains three voices: divine, ego, and outside influences.
- Sufism transcends culture and religion by uniting the heart.
- Healers can see patients as whole and holy.
- True progress comes from depth, not breadth, in practice.
Explore resources and upcoming programs at www.sufiuniversity.org. As Salima reminds us: “All there is is love.”
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Yuli (00:00):
Welcome to the Healist Podcast, where we unpack the
many layers of holistic health.
I'm Yuli, founder of Healist,your portal to holistic healers
worldwide.
Now let's go deep.
Hello, dear friends, andwelcome to another episode of
the Healist Podcast.
Today's guest is SalimaAdelstein.
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She's a Sufi spiritual guide,master, healer and co-president
of the University of Sufism.
She is named as the only femalespiritual guide in the US in
the Shadaliya Sufi tradition.
She has spent over 35 yearshelping over 40,000 individuals
heal from illness and lifelongemotional pain.
She is the founder of Farm ofPeace Retreat Center and
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co-author of A Drop in the Oceanof Love.
She offers seminars nationallyand internationally where she
loves to help people with thehealing that comes from
embodying the deep truth oftheir beauty and essence.
Wow, what a mission.
Such a pleasure to have you onour podcast, Salima.
I can't wait to dive more intoSufism.
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It's actually a new modalityand tradition for me to learn,
so I'm excited to be a studentin this episode and learn your
wisdom and then talk aboutholistic healing and how that
fits.
This beautiful tradition canfit into that process.
So welcome.
Well, thank you so much.
Salima (01:28):
It's a pleasure to be on your show and to work with your
audience today and to sharejust a little bit drop in that
ocean of Sufism.
It's quite a big ocean, so I'lldo my best to give everybody
what we call a taste andexperience of Sufism today
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during your podcast.
So thank you.
Yuli (01:51):
Amazing.
So can you just give us alittle bit of background on
Sufism and what it really, howit may be different from some
other traditions?
People might know what is thecore principles and philosophy.
Salima (02:05):
Yeah.
So Sufism is a path of love,and when I say love I'm really
talking about divine love andunconditional love.
Different than other paths,sufism works with the heart
Meditation I was on a meditationpath for many years before I
discovered Sufism and meditationworks mostly with our mind, our
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chakra systems, our energysystems.
Sufism looks at the wisdom ofthe heart and Sufism says that
we're a hidden secret, thatdesire to be known.
So God placed his secretsinside of our heart.
So it's a treasure hunt, if youwill, in finding out those
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secrets that God placed insideour hearts that not only make us
uniquely who we are, but alsotranscend that into the unity
and the oneness of all ofcreation.
So it builds our consciousnessinto a sense of oneness and
unity.
With all that, there isunderstanding that love is the
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foundation of that creation.
Beautiful.
Yuli (03:16):
And how do we hunt for those treasures inside our heart
?
Salima (03:21):
First we have to start with connecting to our heart,
right.
Oftentimes.
I grew up in Cambridge,massachusetts, where the mind is
king and it takes a while toshift your focus, to shift your
consciousness from your mind toyour heart.
And that's the first step inSufism is taking that, what we
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call that deep dive into thewisdom of your heart.
Now, interestingly enough, whenyou bow your head, in making a
prostration, you know, inbending down and surrendering,
your head is actually lower thanyour heart, so it's giving us a
bodily signal of the importanceof the heart.
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Sufism works with vibration andsacred language, and in our
tradition that sacred languageis the Arabic language because
of the vibration of it.
To access the heart, we startwith something that we all know,
which is a syllable right, andwe know when we say ah, and just
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, everybody can do it with meand Yuri you too.
Just feel the ah and justnotice.
Put your hand on your heart andjust notice ah, you can start
to feel the heart opening withthe ah, just with that simple
sound, and that's one of thefirst practices of making that
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connection from the head to theheart is that ah right.
Many different syllable soundshave different aspects of the
body and as we study more aboutthe healing that goes with
Sufism, you'll see what thosedifferent sounds have different
effects on the body and howthose sounds can create healings
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in the body.
But in the beginning it juststarts with that.
That allows us to connect withthe heart through our breath.
So we put our hand on our heartand we just listen to our breath
, right that in and out of ourbreath, and all of a sudden
there's a relaxation that startsto happen in our body.
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And that's the first step ofwhat we call the connection or
the alignment.
And it's in that connection andalignment that we begin to
access not only those treasuresin our heart but also a light
within our heart that everysingle human being has.
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Sometimes it's covered over,Sometimes it's what we call
veiled, but we're trying to findthat light that's connected to
a greater light.
Some people call that God, Somepeople call it the divine, Some
people call it the creator,Some people just call it
something greater than myself.
And what we're doing in Sufismis making that connection to the
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divine, so that the divinebegins to guide us in our
journey home, in our journey ofself-discovery, in our journey
of understanding those age-oldquestions of who am I, what am I
doing here on earth and what ismy purpose here?
And Sufism gives us the answersto those questions from deep
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within our own heart.
Wisdom not from somebody elsetelling you what that is, but
from discovering that withinourselves.
The unity we've all tasted.
We've all had an experience inour lives of what we call unity,
where we have that connectionto all that there is.
We have that sense of oneness.
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In my own experience Idiscovered it long before I even
learned about Sufism, when Iwent scuba diving and when I was
on the surface of the ocean.
It's really wavy right, and asI slowly went down there came a
point of what in scuba diving wecall neutral buoyancy and the
first time I ever experiencedthat I had that sensation of
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everything around me isconnected and all is one.
And I know most of youraudience if they're at all
spiritual, they have had thoseexperiences in their lives.
Sufism gives you theopportunity to not have it as a
one-time experience but as aliving reality in your life, and
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that changes how you view theworld, how you see yourself and
how you know what it is that God, the divine, is asking of me to
make a difference in this world.
And those are the fundamentalprinciples.
It requires two things.
It requires first apurification process, because
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we've all gone through differenthardships, different
difficulties in our life thathave created, if you will,
either defense walls in ourheart or what we call stains on
the mirror of our heart, right?
I don't know if you've evergone to an amusement park where
they had those funny mirrors andif you look in one mirror you
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look very tall I always likethose because, if you don't know
, I'm very short.
And another mirror where youknow if you're thin, you look
very fat.
Those perceptions sometimes arethe perceptions that we have of
ourself that aren't trueperceptions of who we really are
.
And the process of Sufism beginsto polish what we call the
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mirror of our heart so that itbecomes a true reflection, for
us and for others, of thatdivine nature, that spark of
light within our heart.
So we start to bring light intothe world.
So it's not like meditation,where we just sort of close our
eyes and meditate and then comeout and have to live our life.
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In Sufism we're learning thispurification of our heart to
then live our life from a morepurified, a more light-infused
state where we're being guidedby a voice, by a light, by a
love that makes everything okay,no matter what's going on
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around us.
And in a world today, that issuch a blessing because there's
so much going on in the worldthat is creating anxiety,
frustration, illness, right?
So here is a tool and here is atechnique and here is a way of
living that allows you to notget caught up in that and to
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remember the essential light ofwho you are, so that that
carries you and brings you intoan inner peace, so that your
being becomes beautified.
And that's the second aspect ofSufism it's a purification and
a beautification.
So we all have differentqualities that make us who we
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are.
Some people have a lot ofkindness, a lot of generosity in
their being.
Some people have a lot ofjealousy in their being.
We have both these positive andnegative qualities, if you will
.
In Sufism, what we're doing istaking these qualities and
looking at what is the divinenature of the quality and
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transforming our human qualityinto our divine quality.
And that process is a processthat requires us to look deep
into who we are, what's workingin our life and what's not In
terms of illness or healing.
It's a wonderful way of lookingat what is the root cause of a
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disease or healing.
Many of us maybe treat asymptom of a disease, but Sufism
is always looking at what isthe root cause of it.
So it's not just a branch thatthe disease can grow back, but
we're really getting to what isthe root of it, and that's
generally through these divinequalities that's trying to come
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out in our being.
So we're looking at, forexample, what is God making with
us?
What is the lesson that thisdisease is trying to teach me in
my life?
Maybe it's to be morecompassionate, Maybe it's to be
more loving in places.
Maybe it's to find another job,because the job that I have
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isn't working.
I was working with a man who hadcolon cancer and he went
through all the traditionalmedical things to work with the
colon cancer.
But when we were talking andwhen we were doing the spiritual
healing piece, what camethrough was how unhappy he was
in his job and how he wasn'tgetting along with his
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supervisor, and that wascreating an everyday feeling
within him that he wasn't goodenough and wasn't adequate.
And what the colon cancer wasactually helping him recognize
at the root cause was I need toget out of this situation.
It's not healthy for me, andthat's part of what Sufism will
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do is have you take a deeperdive into what is God really or
what is the divine.
If you don't believe in God,what is the divine, other
creator, whatever the word thatyou use for something greater
than yourself, it's going toreally make a difference in your
life.
Yuli (12:54):
It's so beautifully said and have so many follow-up
questions.
First of all, how do we make,how do we find divine and some
of those issues like youmentioned, like jealousy or
maybe anger, right orfrustration, whatever it is what
is the process for you to takethat kind of lower vibrational
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quality and that beautificationprocess that you mentioned?
Salima (13:22):
How does it work exactly , yeah, Well, it starts very
simply with that sound thatallows you to connect to the
heart, because it exists withinthe heart.
So the first thing that we dois start with that sound and
once you've established thatpeace within your heart, what
you then do is look deep atwhat's present in my heart.
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Weird is that, for example,anger.
Where does that anger livewithin my heart?
And then, using a sacred namefor God in our tradition, in the
Sufi tradition, we use the nameAllah, because it means the one
or the all and the nothing.
And from the a sound, we thenmove into the Allah, which helps
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identify that connection andthat alignment with the divine.
And then the divine points youliterally to where that jealousy
lives within your heart, orthat anger lives within your
heart.
And then you go through aprocess of inquiry.
Will you ask, will you say well, what's causing this, what's at
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it, what's starting?
And you may find what we callan image.
When I was working with thiscolon cancer patient I talked
about when we were doing thisprocess, he found a picture, if
you will, of his bosscriticizing him all the time.
So that you see these picturesor images within your heart, and
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then you begin to bring thesacred name to those images and
to those pictures.
And just like a TV screen, youknow when it starts, and
remember the old-fashioned TVscreens.
When you turn them off, youknow the picture starts to fade
out and all of a sudden itstarts to turn white.
You'll see the same thingstarting to happen within your
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heart.
The picture starts to fade out,it starts to literally erase
from your heart and then youstart to go deeper into the next
question or guided feeling ofwell, what is the divine?
What is God making here?
What is the lesson for me?
How do I resolve this?
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How do I have some resolutionto this anger?
And we have something calledthree voices that exist within
our heart.
One is the voice of God or thevoice of the divine.
The next is the voice of ourego, ourself, and the third, or
the voice of an outsidesupervisor, saying you're no
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good.
And what is the voice of God orthe divine within me saying to
me, about me?
And once you hear that voice,it's like truth dawns.
You know how, when you heartruth, sometimes you can get
goosebumps on your arms.
Or you know, we all know, whenwe hear truth right, there's
something that we have anautomatic sensation about it.
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But when we hear the voice ofGod within us through this
process of Sufi healing, itresonates.
There's an inner truth thatsays, yes, this is the truth of
who I am.
It says yes, this is the truthof who I am.
And then the lesson comes, andthen the beautification through
a quality.
Perhaps the anger needed moregentleness, more mercy, more
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forgiveness.
So then that divine qualitystarts to enter the heart, to
bring more mercy, more love,more forgiveness into that place
of anger.
And that's the transformation.
Yuli (17:12):
So beautiful.
I can totally picture thatprocess.
However, I also want to bringpotential voices that might
question this process and say,well, this works well for
somebody who's already intuitive, maybe, and they can access
those deep feelings and thenwork through them energetically.
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This is too advanced for me.
I can't connect to that.
That's one potential objection.
And another one, the connectionto a specific culture and
tradition.
Right For people, for example,you know whether they're born
Christian or Catholics and theyreally, even though they're
maybe on a spiritual path, butthey pretty much maybe still
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connected to that tradition,they might have a hard time
understanding tradition thatcomes from different culture.
They might have internalresistance.
So how do you address those twopotential objections?
Salima (18:06):
Yeah, it's beautiful and I can say from my own
experience, having grown up asin the Jewish tradition, this
was very foreign.
It really took me out of mycomfort zone, right, and
sometimes coming culture that Igrew up in and because of the
relationship between my cultureand the cultural spectrum of
even the name Allah and what itrepresents, right, and one of
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the things that's beautifulabout the Sufi way is it begins
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to erase all of those places ofseparation within our heart.
Remember earlier I talked aboutthe unity, that oneness.
Those were all separationswithin my own heart.
I remember when there was aHindu man who was in one of our
programs, our foundationsprogram, and we were introducing
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this process that I was justtalking about is called the
remembrance, because it's aremembrance of who you are right
, and we were walking himthrough this remembrance and as
a Hindu in his culture, he had alot of resistance to this
saying the name Allah and Iasked him you could say any name
, it's okay you know, but then Isaid are you willing to just
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try and see what happens and gothrough what would happen if you
just continued to say the nameand go through that resistance?
And he said to me I'll try it.
Right, and sometimes we justneed to try something new.
And as he tried it, rememberthose pictures that I talked
about in your heart.
And as he tried it, what he sawwas when he was a child, there
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was a Muslim boy who he hadgotten into a fight with in
elementary school and thatscared him.
And as he continued to say thename, that fear that he had in
his heart, that picture that hewas holding in his heart, lifted
from his heart and then hisheart filled with compassion and
love.
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So what I say, yeah, what I sayto people is try it.
You know, when I was at a templedoing the prayer for peace,
some of the old Jewish men cameup to me and said your brother
tells us that you're a Sufi andwe know that's from an Arabic
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tradition.
And I said, well, it's actuallya universal tradition, but yes.
And then they said to me well,we have a question for you.
And I said, okay, universaltradition, but yes.
And then they said to me well,we have a question for you.
And I said okay, when you weredoing that prayer for peace that
we've heard every Friday for 50years, they were old men.
We never felt peace when yousaid it, we finally felt peace
in our heart.
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How is that possible?
That's the difference, andthat's what I would say to
people who might have thatcultural resistance, because
what it does is it actuallybrings you closer to your roots
and to your tradition, becauseyou're not making any separation
.
And that's why we say thatSufism is actually a universal
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tradition for anybody, evenatheists, who don't believe, it
still works.
Yuli (21:32):
Incredible, and I'm curious to hear if you can give
us a short story of how you,coming from a Jewish background,
got involved with thistradition, how did you discover
it and if you had any resistanceinitially.
Salima (21:47):
Yeah, I discovered it purely by mistake.
I was doing energetic healingand I happened to be in New
Mexico doing a workshop in NewMexico and a friend of mine I'd
come back from India.
I was studying with a bunch ofspiritual healers in India and a
friend of mine said there's aSufi master healer who's in town
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.
I think you might like to meethim.
I was up for a good adventure,so I said sure, and I went over
to the person's house who washosting him and he greeted me in
a way that broke all of theimages that I had of holy men
right and their relationshipwith women, because he gave me
this big hug and he was a bigguy and he said my holy daughter
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, I'm so happy to see you.
And I was like whoa, that'sdifferent, I don't expect that.
And then sat down and started tolisten to his teaching Sufi
teachings that were all aboutthis journey from separation to
unity, this journey through thedissolution of our ego self into
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our divine self and living theworld, living in the world from
what is a blessed place andliving in the world and inner
peace.
And at that time I was pretty.
My third eye was pretty open,so he had the most beautiful
white light I had ever in mylife seen.
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And you know how you have oneof those moments where you don't
think and you just say whateverhe has I want.
And that's what I did.
I just said whatever he has Iwant and he asked me to come and
study with him at his retreatin Palestine, in Jerusalem, and
I spent months with him studyingSufism and went through all
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kinds of resistances.
I mean, for me I was in enemyterritory because I grew up with
that belief and was afraidsomebody was going to come and
find out and come and murder me.
I mean, I had a lot of fearwhen I first got there and each
time, through the practices thathe gave and through what we
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call walking of these stations,walking of these steps into
unity, each of them just gotwashed away and washed away, and
washed away.
And the more that I did thepractices, it's like the more I
saw the essence of who I reallywas.
And my name Salima means theone who carries peace right.
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And it was like when he firstgave me that name, I was like,
no, you've got the wrong person,because my world is all about
fighting and activism andjustice.
And then I realized no, mybeing really is about peace and
that's why I was doing all thatfighting, because I care about
peace.
It's the essence of who I am.
Yuli (24:43):
It looks like you found another way to bring the peace
into the world.
Salima (24:48):
Yes, Because I really believe that to find peace
outside, we have to find itinside first, absolutely.
Yuli (24:57):
And I'm curious, what year was that that you studied?
Salima (25:01):
That was 35 years ago and then I said everybody needs
to learn about this.
So I came home and said this isit.
This is now my life.
He asked us to set up auniversity.
So we set up a University ofSufism and Spiritual Healing,
which has been going on now forabout 30 years in my house, so
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that people could experiencewhat I experienced in Jerusalem
and took people through a seriesof different Sufi practices in
retreat so that then they couldexperience something different
in their life and then go outinto the world and carry that.
And then set up a Suficommunity at the Farm of Peace
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in Pennsylvania so that peoplecould be together, learn
together, study together, praytogether and raise their
children together.
So we now have kids who are incollege, who all grew up
together in this tradition andare very close.
Yuli (26:03):
What a beautiful journey.
Salima (26:05):
Yeah.
Yuli (26:07):
So for people who just get inspired by the piece you carry
, how can they get involved?
Maybe try, maybe dip their toeinto Sufism, or maybe study more
deeply.
Salima (26:22):
Yeah, well, a couple of things.
We have a free video and audioseries that comes with a little
workbook called the Five C's toInner Truth and want to invite
your audience to sign up to getthat.
We have an opportunity also tocome and do what we call a
foundations program at theuniversity, which it's a weekend
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program.
A lot of both practitioners andpeople that need healing and
people that are just interestedin their own spiritual growth
come to that foundations programand just learn the basics of
what we do.
I believe there's one coming upnext month, so you can find out
more about that at theuniversityofsufismorg
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sufiuniversityorg website.
Yuli (27:11):
We're going to put all of that in the show notes and the
pre-offering as well.
And since you touched onpractitioner, I'm curious if you
can talk a little bit morespecifically from a perspective
of holistic healer how thisbeautiful tradition can be
incorporated maybe into othermodalities.
Because what I'm seeing in thisspace and this beautiful process
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that's been happening is that alot of different modalities and
traditions are merged andthere's so many practitioners
that get certified in multiplethings and they bring their own
unique touch and all thosedifferent beautiful teachings to
really serve the client for atwhatever point they need,
whether they come with aphysical challenge, mental, as
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we all know it's all connectedto spiritual body as well.
So, and I'm personally reallypassionate about bringing more
of the spiritual path into anytype of healing, because it
happens so much like youmentioned the colon cancer story
, which is a perfect examplethat we find we look for the
root cause even in holistichealing, not to mention
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traditional medicine.
Right, we sometimes look at thewrong places and the spiritual
body is not always bought upinto that healing process, but
it seems to me me from what Ilearned just in the past 30
minutes, which was sofascinating that this is
something that can be layeredinto a lot of other modalities
as that spiritual layer thatallows you to serve a much
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deeper healing for the personyou're trying to help.
Salima (28:46):
We have a lot of medical doctors who are in our program
and what they find is it'sreally easy to integrate the
spirituality into their medicalpractice, not only just by doing
a questionnaire on whatpeople's spiritual background is
, but actually introducing themto some of these techniques that
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will really help and supportthem in, for example, in their
cancer treatment, or whether ornot they need a medication or
not, whether there's a differentway of looking at the disease
pattern and what's happeningwithin the disease pattern to
see how else can we approachthis.
So they do a lot moreinvestigating, if you will, and
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I remember I was with a group ofphysicians down in Florida a
few years ago and I was talkingabout imagine what if you
started seeing your patients asholy rather than seeing them as
sick, and the doctors were likewhoa, whoa, whoa, no, no, no, no
, no.
We were trained to see ourpatients as sick.
How are we going to heal themif we don't see what's going on
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with them?
And I said, yeah, but justimagine for a minute, where are
you taking them?
Where's the road?
If you see them as sick you'regoing to.
This is what I ask you toconsider.
Right, if you see them as sick.
How are you going to take themon the road to health?
By starting by seeing them aswhole, by seeing them as healthy
, by seeing them as holy beingsthat they are, by seeing their
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innate goodness rather thanwhat's wrong with them.
Then they've got a roadmap totake them from one to the other.
The acupuncturists that come toour program find that it's not
just putting the needles wherethe needles need to go, but
knowing what is the divineshowing them about what needs to
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happen when that needle goes in, what might be the divine
quality that they might invokewhen they're putting that
acupuncture needle in.
Invoke when they're puttingthat acupuncture needle in,
Cardiologists are finding it'snot just giving somebody a heart
monitor or a pacemaker.
Maybe we need to look at whatsome of the anxiety or stress
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that's creating this heartmurmur.
And those are some of the waysthat Sufism is incorporated into
traditional medicine.
Yuli (31:27):
It's so beautiful and I love that you actually have
physicians and doctors exploringthose practices and bringing
them in.
I personally haven't met one,but I would love to meet that.
I trust you, but from myexperience and I'm curious to
hear your experience as well doyou find with these types of
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practitioners do they have theneed to have a deeper scientific
proof or they just kind ofbelieve in it because they see
their personal transformation?
Salima (32:03):
I think what happens for the physicians that are in our
program, that they see thetransformation in themselves and
then, like my own story, alittle difficult, because we're
talking about taking your egoself and putting your ego self
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in right relationship to yourdivine self.
And our ego self likes to be incharge and likes to be the boss.
Taking that process of what wecall fana in Sufism, which is
literally the annihilation ofyour ego, is not an easy process
for most human beings and ittakes courage, it takes
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commitment and that's why one ofthe five C's of Sufism is
commitment.
There's a great Sufi story, ifI may, about a man who was
trying to dig a well and he kepton digging these like one inch
holes all along his property andwas getting really frustrated
because he couldn't get to thewater.
And somebody came along andsaid instead of digging 10
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shallow holes, what if you dugone hole really deep?
And that's what the path ofSufism requires is to take that
deep dive into yourself.
And some people are willing todo that and other people would
rather just taste a little hereand a little here, and either
way is fine.
But to really get to theessence, to get to those
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beautiful questions.
To get to those treasures thatI talked about in the beginning
requires a commitment to takethat deep dive.
Yuli (33:48):
Yes, so beautifully said, and I have to say that you
definitely bring peace to thispodcast with your stories and
your journey.
We're running out of time.
I feel like I could let youtalk forever and just die.
It's one of those healingepisodes.
You know, some of our episodesthey're just talk and it's great
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.
Some of the episodes arehealing.
So I feel like this is one ofthose.
So I really appreciate yourbeing here, your energy, and I
wanted to give you anopportunity to say any few last
words for our beautifullisteners.
Salima (34:25):
I just want to remind.
Remember that Sufism is a pathof remembering and being
reminded, and we're rememberingin our essence who we are, which
are holy beings, which arebeautiful beings.
We have a beautiful saying inSufism when God created you, god
created beauty.
I want to invite your listenersto look in the mirror and
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remember.
Remember that they arebeautiful and don't let those
other voices get in the way.
Remember that you were createdout of love and love is the
essence of existence.
When I worked in hospice just alast story every hospice
patient that I ever worked at,in their last dying breath, used
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to say remind people, all thereis is love.
All there is is love.
Yuli (35:13):
Beautiful, so beautiful.
Again, really grateful to haveyou with us and sharing your
beautiful stories, and I can'twait to dig deeper into Sufism
myself.
Salima (35:28):
Great.
Yuli (35:29):
And I think peace is definitely something that is on
the top of the list in terms ofwhat's needed in the world right
now.
So thank you for spreading thisbeautiful mission.
Salima (35:40):
Yes, thank you for having me.
You're a wonderful host andbeautiful questions, thank you.
Welcome to the Healist Podcast, where we unpack the
many layers of holistic health.
I'm Yuli, founder of Healist,your portal to holistic healers
worldwide.
Now let's go deep.
Hello, dear friends, andwelcome to another episode of
the Healist Podcast.
Today's guest is SalimaAdelstein.
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She's a Sufi spiritual guide,master, healer and co-president
of the University of Sufism.
She is named as the only femalespiritual guide in the US in
the Shadaliya Sufi tradition.
She has spent over 35 yearshelping over 40,000 individuals
heal from illness and lifelongemotional pain.
She is the founder of Farm ofPeace Retreat Center and
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co-author of A Drop in the Oceanof Love.
She offers seminars nationallyand internationally where she
loves to help people with thehealing that comes from
embodying the deep truth oftheir beauty and essence.
Wow, what a mission.
Such a pleasure to have you onour podcast, Salima.
I can't wait to dive more intoSufism.
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It's actually a new modalityand tradition for me to learn,
so I'm excited to be a studentin this episode and learn your
wisdom and then talk aboutholistic healing and how that
fits.
This beautiful tradition canfit into that process.
So welcome.
Well, thank you so much.
Salima (01:28):
It's a pleasure to be on your show and to work with your
audience today and to sharejust a little bit drop in that
ocean of Sufism.
It's quite a big ocean, so I'lldo my best to give everybody
what we call a taste andexperience of Sufism today
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during your podcast.
So thank you.
Yuli (01:51):
Amazing.
So can you just give us alittle bit of background on
Sufism and what it really, howit may be different from some
other traditions?
People might know what is thecore principles and philosophy.
Salima (02:05):
Yeah.
So Sufism is a path of love,and when I say love I'm really
talking about divine love andunconditional love.
Different than other paths,sufism works with the heart
Meditation I was on a meditationpath for many years before I
discovered Sufism and meditationworks mostly with our mind, our
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chakra systems, our energysystems.
Sufism looks at the wisdom ofthe heart and Sufism says that
we're a hidden secret, thatdesire to be known.
So God placed his secretsinside of our heart.
So it's a treasure hunt, if youwill, in finding out those
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secrets that God placed insideour hearts that not only make us
uniquely who we are, but alsotranscend that into the unity
and the oneness of all ofcreation.
So it builds our consciousnessinto a sense of oneness and
unity.
With all that, there isunderstanding that love is the
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foundation of that creation.
Beautiful.
Yuli (03:16):
And how do we hunt for those treasures inside our heart
?
Salima (03:21):
First we have to start with connecting to our heart,
right.
Oftentimes.
I grew up in Cambridge,massachusetts, where the mind is
king and it takes a while toshift your focus, to shift your
consciousness from your mind toyour heart.
And that's the first step inSufism is taking that, what we
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call that deep dive into thewisdom of your heart.
Now, interestingly enough, whenyou bow your head, in making a
prostration, you know, inbending down and surrendering,
your head is actually lower thanyour heart, so it's giving us a
bodily signal of the importanceof the heart.
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Sufism works with vibration andsacred language, and in our
tradition that sacred languageis the Arabic language because
of the vibration of it.
To access the heart, we startwith something that we all know,
which is a syllable right, andwe know when we say ah, and just
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, everybody can do it with meand Yuri you too.
Just feel the ah and justnotice.
Put your hand on your heart andjust notice ah, you can start
to feel the heart opening withthe ah, just with that simple
sound, and that's one of thefirst practices of making that
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connection from the head to theheart is that ah right.
Many different syllable soundshave different aspects of the
body and as we study more aboutthe healing that goes with
Sufism, you'll see what thosedifferent sounds have different
effects on the body and howthose sounds can create healings
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in the body.
But in the beginning it juststarts with that.
That allows us to connect withthe heart through our breath.
So we put our hand on our heartand we just listen to our breath
, right that in and out of ourbreath, and all of a sudden
there's a relaxation that startsto happen in our body.
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And that's the first step ofwhat we call the connection or
the alignment.
And it's in that connection andalignment that we begin to
access not only those treasuresin our heart but also a light
within our heart that everysingle human being has.
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Sometimes it's covered over,Sometimes it's what we call
veiled, but we're trying to findthat light that's connected to
a greater light.
Some people call that God, Somepeople call it the divine, Some
people call it the creator,Some people just call it
something greater than myself.
And what we're doing in Sufismis making that connection to the
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divine, so that the divinebegins to guide us in our
journey home, in our journey ofself-discovery, in our journey
of understanding those age-oldquestions of who am I, what am I
doing here on earth and what ismy purpose here?
And Sufism gives us the answersto those questions from deep
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within our own heart.
Wisdom not from somebody elsetelling you what that is, but
from discovering that withinourselves.
The unity we've all tasted.
We've all had an experience inour lives of what we call unity,
where we have that connectionto all that there is.
We have that sense of oneness.
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In my own experience Idiscovered it long before I even
learned about Sufism, when Iwent scuba diving and when I was
on the surface of the ocean.
It's really wavy right, and asI slowly went down there came a
point of what in scuba diving wecall neutral buoyancy and the
first time I ever experiencedthat I had that sensation of
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everything around me isconnected and all is one.
And I know most of youraudience if they're at all
spiritual, they have had thoseexperiences in their lives.
Sufism gives you theopportunity to not have it as a
one-time experience but as aliving reality in your life, and
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that changes how you view theworld, how you see yourself and
how you know what it is that God, the divine, is asking of me to
make a difference in this world.
And those are the fundamentalprinciples.
It requires two things.
It requires first apurification process, because
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we've all gone through differenthardships, different
difficulties in our life thathave created, if you will,
either defense walls in ourheart or what we call stains on
the mirror of our heart, right?
I don't know if you've evergone to an amusement park where
they had those funny mirrors andif you look in one mirror you
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look very tall I always likethose because, if you don't know
, I'm very short.
And another mirror where youknow if you're thin, you look
very fat.
Those perceptions sometimes arethe perceptions that we have of
ourself that aren't trueperceptions of who we really are
.
And the process of Sufism beginsto polish what we call the
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mirror of our heart so that itbecomes a true reflection, for
us and for others, of thatdivine nature, that spark of
light within our heart.
So we start to bring light intothe world.
So it's not like meditation,where we just sort of close our
eyes and meditate and then comeout and have to live our life.
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In Sufism we're learning thispurification of our heart to
then live our life from a morepurified, a more light-infused
state where we're being guidedby a voice, by a light, by a
love that makes everything okay,no matter what's going on
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around us.
And in a world today, that issuch a blessing because there's
so much going on in the worldthat is creating anxiety,
frustration, illness, right?
So here is a tool and here is atechnique and here is a way of
living that allows you to notget caught up in that and to
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remember the essential light ofwho you are, so that that
carries you and brings you intoan inner peace, so that your
being becomes beautified.
And that's the second aspect ofSufism it's a purification and
a beautification.
So we all have differentqualities that make us who we
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are.
Some people have a lot ofkindness, a lot of generosity in
their being.
Some people have a lot ofjealousy in their being.
We have both these positive andnegative qualities, if you will
.
In Sufism, what we're doing istaking these qualities and
looking at what is the divinenature of the quality and
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transforming our human qualityinto our divine quality.
And that process is a processthat requires us to look deep
into who we are, what's workingin our life and what's not In
terms of illness or healing.
It's a wonderful way of lookingat what is the root cause of a
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disease or healing.
Many of us maybe treat asymptom of a disease, but Sufism
is always looking at what isthe root cause of it.
So it's not just a branch thatthe disease can grow back, but
we're really getting to what isthe root of it, and that's
generally through these divinequalities that's trying to come
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out in our being.
So we're looking at, forexample, what is God making with
us?
What is the lesson that thisdisease is trying to teach me in
my life?
Maybe it's to be morecompassionate, Maybe it's to be
more loving in places.
Maybe it's to find another job,because the job that I have
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isn't working.
I was working with a man who hadcolon cancer and he went
through all the traditionalmedical things to work with the
colon cancer.
But when we were talking andwhen we were doing the spiritual
healing piece, what camethrough was how unhappy he was
in his job and how he wasn'tgetting along with his
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supervisor, and that wascreating an everyday feeling
within him that he wasn't goodenough and wasn't adequate.
And what the colon cancer wasactually helping him recognize
at the root cause was I need toget out of this situation.
It's not healthy for me, andthat's part of what Sufism will
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do is have you take a deeperdive into what is God really or
what is the divine.
If you don't believe in God,what is the divine, other
creator, whatever the word thatyou use for something greater
than yourself, it's going toreally make a difference in your
life.
Yuli (12:54):
It's so beautifully said and have so many follow-up
questions.
First of all, how do we make,how do we find divine and some
of those issues like youmentioned, like jealousy or
maybe anger, right orfrustration, whatever it is what
is the process for you to takethat kind of lower vibrational
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quality and that beautificationprocess that you mentioned?
Salima (13:22):
How does it work exactly , yeah, Well, it starts very
simply with that sound thatallows you to connect to the
heart, because it exists withinthe heart.
So the first thing that we dois start with that sound and
once you've established thatpeace within your heart, what
you then do is look deep atwhat's present in my heart.
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Weird is that, for example,anger.
Where does that anger livewithin my heart?
And then, using a sacred namefor God in our tradition, in the
Sufi tradition, we use the nameAllah, because it means the one
or the all and the nothing.
And from the a sound, we thenmove into the Allah, which helps
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identify that connection andthat alignment with the divine.
And then the divine points youliterally to where that jealousy
lives within your heart, orthat anger lives within your
heart.
And then you go through aprocess of inquiry.
Will you ask, will you say well, what's causing this, what's at
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it, what's starting?
And you may find what we callan image.
When I was working with thiscolon cancer patient I talked
about when we were doing thisprocess, he found a picture, if
you will, of his bosscriticizing him all the time.
So that you see these picturesor images within your heart, and
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then you begin to bring thesacred name to those images and
to those pictures.
And just like a TV screen, youknow when it starts, and
remember the old-fashioned TVscreens.
When you turn them off, youknow the picture starts to fade
out and all of a sudden itstarts to turn white.
You'll see the same thingstarting to happen within your
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heart.
The picture starts to fade out,it starts to literally erase
from your heart and then youstart to go deeper into the next
question or guided feeling ofwell, what is the divine?
What is God making here?
What is the lesson for me?
How do I resolve this?
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How do I have some resolutionto this anger?
And we have something calledthree voices that exist within
our heart.
One is the voice of God or thevoice of the divine.
The next is the voice of ourego, ourself, and the third, or
the voice of an outsidesupervisor, saying you're no
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good.
And what is the voice of God orthe divine within me saying to
me, about me?
And once you hear that voice,it's like truth dawns.
You know how, when you heartruth, sometimes you can get
goosebumps on your arms.
Or you know, we all know, whenwe hear truth right, there's
something that we have anautomatic sensation about it.
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But when we hear the voice ofGod within us through this
process of Sufi healing, itresonates.
There's an inner truth thatsays, yes, this is the truth of
who I am.
It says yes, this is the truthof who I am.
And then the lesson comes, andthen the beautification through
a quality.
Perhaps the anger needed moregentleness, more mercy, more
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forgiveness.
So then that divine qualitystarts to enter the heart, to
bring more mercy, more love,more forgiveness into that place
of anger.
And that's the transformation.
Yuli (17:12):
So beautiful.
I can totally picture thatprocess.
However, I also want to bringpotential voices that might
question this process and say,well, this works well for
somebody who's already intuitive, maybe, and they can access
those deep feelings and thenwork through them energetically.
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This is too advanced for me.
I can't connect to that.
That's one potential objection.
And another one, the connectionto a specific culture and
tradition.
Right For people, for example,you know whether they're born
Christian or Catholics and theyreally, even though they're
maybe on a spiritual path, butthey pretty much maybe still
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connected to that tradition,they might have a hard time
understanding tradition thatcomes from different culture.
They might have internalresistance.
So how do you address those twopotential objections?
Salima (18:06):
Yeah, it's beautiful and I can say from my own
experience, having grown up asin the Jewish tradition, this
was very foreign.
It really took me out of mycomfort zone, right, and
sometimes coming culture that Igrew up in and because of the
relationship between my cultureand the cultural spectrum of
even the name Allah and what itrepresents, right, and one of
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the things that's beautifulabout the Sufi way is it begins
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to erase all of those places ofseparation within our heart.
Remember earlier I talked aboutthe unity, that oneness.
Those were all separationswithin my own heart.
I remember when there was aHindu man who was in one of our
programs, our foundationsprogram, and we were introducing
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this process that I was justtalking about is called the
remembrance, because it's aremembrance of who you are right
, and we were walking himthrough this remembrance and as
a Hindu in his culture, he had alot of resistance to this
saying the name Allah and Iasked him you could say any name
, it's okay you know, but then Isaid are you willing to just
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try and see what happens and gothrough what would happen if you
just continued to say the nameand go through that resistance?
And he said to me I'll try it.
Right, and sometimes we justneed to try something new.
And as he tried it, rememberthose pictures that I talked
about in your heart.
And as he tried it, what he sawwas when he was a child, there
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was a Muslim boy who he hadgotten into a fight with in
elementary school and thatscared him.
And as he continued to say thename, that fear that he had in
his heart, that picture that hewas holding in his heart, lifted
from his heart and then hisheart filled with compassion and
love.
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So what I say, yeah, what I sayto people is try it.
You know, when I was at a templedoing the prayer for peace,
some of the old Jewish men cameup to me and said your brother
tells us that you're a Sufi andwe know that's from an Arabic
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tradition.
And I said, well, it's actuallya universal tradition, but yes.
And then they said to me well,we have a question for you.
And I said, okay, universaltradition, but yes.
And then they said to me well,we have a question for you.
And I said okay, when you weredoing that prayer for peace that
we've heard every Friday for 50years, they were old men.
We never felt peace when yousaid it, we finally felt peace
in our heart.
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How is that possible?
That's the difference, andthat's what I would say to
people who might have thatcultural resistance, because
what it does is it actuallybrings you closer to your roots
and to your tradition, becauseyou're not making any separation
.
And that's why we say thatSufism is actually a universal
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tradition for anybody, evenatheists, who don't believe, it
still works.
Yuli (21:32):
Incredible, and I'm curious to hear if you can give
us a short story of how you,coming from a Jewish background,
got involved with thistradition, how did you discover
it and if you had any resistanceinitially.
Salima (21:47):
Yeah, I discovered it purely by mistake.
I was doing energetic healingand I happened to be in New
Mexico doing a workshop in NewMexico and a friend of mine I'd
come back from India.
I was studying with a bunch ofspiritual healers in India and a
friend of mine said there's aSufi master healer who's in town
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.
I think you might like to meethim.
I was up for a good adventure,so I said sure, and I went over
to the person's house who washosting him and he greeted me in
a way that broke all of theimages that I had of holy men
right and their relationshipwith women, because he gave me
this big hug and he was a bigguy and he said my holy daughter
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, I'm so happy to see you.
And I was like whoa, that'sdifferent, I don't expect that.
And then sat down and started tolisten to his teaching Sufi
teachings that were all aboutthis journey from separation to
unity, this journey through thedissolution of our ego self into
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our divine self and living theworld, living in the world from
what is a blessed place andliving in the world and inner
peace.
And at that time I was pretty.
My third eye was pretty open,so he had the most beautiful
white light I had ever in mylife seen.
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And you know how you have oneof those moments where you don't
think and you just say whateverhe has I want.
And that's what I did.
I just said whatever he has Iwant and he asked me to come and
study with him at his retreatin Palestine, in Jerusalem, and
I spent months with him studyingSufism and went through all
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kinds of resistances.
I mean, for me I was in enemyterritory because I grew up with
that belief and was afraidsomebody was going to come and
find out and come and murder me.
I mean, I had a lot of fearwhen I first got there and each
time, through the practices thathe gave and through what we
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call walking of these stations,walking of these steps into
unity, each of them just gotwashed away and washed away, and
washed away.
And the more that I did thepractices, it's like the more I
saw the essence of who I reallywas.
And my name Salima means theone who carries peace right.
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And it was like when he firstgave me that name, I was like,
no, you've got the wrong person,because my world is all about
fighting and activism andjustice.
And then I realized no, mybeing really is about peace and
that's why I was doing all thatfighting, because I care about
peace.
It's the essence of who I am.
Yuli (24:43):
It looks like you found another way to bring the peace
into the world.
Salima (24:48):
Yes, Because I really believe that to find peace
outside, we have to find itinside first, absolutely.
Yuli (24:57):
And I'm curious, what year was that that you studied?
Salima (25:01):
That was 35 years ago and then I said everybody needs
to learn about this.
So I came home and said this isit.
This is now my life.
He asked us to set up auniversity.
So we set up a University ofSufism and Spiritual Healing,
which has been going on now forabout 30 years in my house, so
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that people could experiencewhat I experienced in Jerusalem
and took people through a seriesof different Sufi practices in
retreat so that then they couldexperience something different
in their life and then go outinto the world and carry that.
And then set up a Suficommunity at the Farm of Peace
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in Pennsylvania so that peoplecould be together, learn
together, study together, praytogether and raise their
children together.
So we now have kids who are incollege, who all grew up
together in this tradition andare very close.
Yuli (26:03):
What a beautiful journey.
Salima (26:05):
Yeah.
Yuli (26:07):
So for people who just get inspired by the piece you carry
, how can they get involved?
Maybe try, maybe dip their toeinto Sufism, or maybe study more
deeply.
Salima (26:22):
Yeah, well, a couple of things.
We have a free video and audioseries that comes with a little
workbook called the Five C's toInner Truth and want to invite
your audience to sign up to getthat.
We have an opportunity also tocome and do what we call a
foundations program at theuniversity, which it's a weekend
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program.
A lot of both practitioners andpeople that need healing and
people that are just interestedin their own spiritual growth
come to that foundations programand just learn the basics of
what we do.
I believe there's one coming upnext month, so you can find out
more about that at theuniversityofsufismorg
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sufiuniversityorg website.
Yuli (27:11):
We're going to put all of that in the show notes and the
pre-offering as well.
And since you touched onpractitioner, I'm curious if you
can talk a little bit morespecifically from a perspective
of holistic healer how thisbeautiful tradition can be
incorporated maybe into othermodalities.
Because what I'm seeing in thisspace and this beautiful process
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that's been happening is that alot of different modalities and
traditions are merged andthere's so many practitioners
that get certified in multiplethings and they bring their own
unique touch and all thosedifferent beautiful teachings to
really serve the client for atwhatever point they need,
whether they come with aphysical challenge, mental, as
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we all know it's all connectedto spiritual body as well.
So, and I'm personally reallypassionate about bringing more
of the spiritual path into anytype of healing, because it
happens so much like youmentioned the colon cancer story
, which is a perfect examplethat we find we look for the
root cause even in holistichealing, not to mention
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traditional medicine.
Right, we sometimes look at thewrong places and the spiritual
body is not always bought upinto that healing process, but
it seems to me me from what Ilearned just in the past 30
minutes, which was sofascinating that this is
something that can be layeredinto a lot of other modalities
as that spiritual layer thatallows you to serve a much
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deeper healing for the personyou're trying to help.
Salima (28:46):
We have a lot of medical doctors who are in our program
and what they find is it'sreally easy to integrate the
spirituality into their medicalpractice, not only just by doing
a questionnaire on whatpeople's spiritual background is
, but actually introducing themto some of these techniques that
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will really help and supportthem in, for example, in their
cancer treatment, or whether ornot they need a medication or
not, whether there's a differentway of looking at the disease
pattern and what's happeningwithin the disease pattern to
see how else can we approachthis.
So they do a lot moreinvestigating, if you will, and
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I remember I was with a group ofphysicians down in Florida a
few years ago and I was talkingabout imagine what if you
started seeing your patients asholy rather than seeing them as
sick, and the doctors were likewhoa, whoa, whoa, no, no, no, no
, no.
We were trained to see ourpatients as sick.
How are we going to heal themif we don't see what's going on
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with them?
And I said, yeah, but justimagine for a minute, where are
you taking them?
Where's the road?
If you see them as sick you'regoing to.
This is what I ask you toconsider.
Right, if you see them as sick.
How are you going to take themon the road to health?
By starting by seeing them aswhole, by seeing them as healthy
, by seeing them as holy beingsthat they are, by seeing their
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innate goodness rather thanwhat's wrong with them.
Then they've got a roadmap totake them from one to the other.
The acupuncturists that come toour program find that it's not
just putting the needles wherethe needles need to go, but
knowing what is the divineshowing them about what needs to
(30:57):
happen when that needle goes in, what might be the divine
quality that they might invokewhen they're putting that
acupuncture needle in.
Invoke when they're puttingthat acupuncture needle in,
Cardiologists are finding it'snot just giving somebody a heart
monitor or a pacemaker.
Maybe we need to look at whatsome of the anxiety or stress
(31:19):
that's creating this heartmurmur.
And those are some of the waysthat Sufism is incorporated into
traditional medicine.
Yuli (31:27):
It's so beautiful and I love that you actually have
physicians and doctors exploringthose practices and bringing
them in.
I personally haven't met one,but I would love to meet that.
I trust you, but from myexperience and I'm curious to
hear your experience as well doyou find with these types of
(31:49):
practitioners do they have theneed to have a deeper scientific
proof or they just kind ofbelieve in it because they see
their personal transformation?
Salima (32:03):
I think what happens for the physicians that are in our
program, that they see thetransformation in themselves and
then, like my own story, alittle difficult, because we're
talking about taking your egoself and putting your ego self
(32:32):
in right relationship to yourdivine self.
And our ego self likes to be incharge and likes to be the boss.
Taking that process of what wecall fana in Sufism, which is
literally the annihilation ofyour ego, is not an easy process
for most human beings and ittakes courage, it takes
(32:53):
commitment and that's why one ofthe five C's of Sufism is
commitment.
There's a great Sufi story, ifI may, about a man who was
trying to dig a well and he kepton digging these like one inch
holes all along his property andwas getting really frustrated
because he couldn't get to thewater.
And somebody came along andsaid instead of digging 10
(33:17):
shallow holes, what if you dugone hole really deep?
And that's what the path ofSufism requires is to take that
deep dive into yourself.
And some people are willing todo that and other people would
rather just taste a little hereand a little here, and either
way is fine.
But to really get to theessence, to get to those
(33:40):
beautiful questions.
To get to those treasures thatI talked about in the beginning
requires a commitment to takethat deep dive.
Yuli (33:48):
Yes, so beautifully said, and I have to say that you
definitely bring peace to thispodcast with your stories and
your journey.
We're running out of time.
I feel like I could let youtalk forever and just die.
It's one of those healingepisodes.
You know, some of our episodesthey're just talk and it's great
(34:11):
.
Some of the episodes arehealing.
So I feel like this is one ofthose.
So I really appreciate yourbeing here, your energy, and I
wanted to give you anopportunity to say any few last
words for our beautifullisteners.
Salima (34:25):
I just want to remind.
Remember that Sufism is a pathof remembering and being
reminded, and we're rememberingin our essence who we are, which
are holy beings, which arebeautiful beings.
We have a beautiful saying inSufism when God created you, god
created beauty.
I want to invite your listenersto look in the mirror and
(34:49):
remember.
Remember that they arebeautiful and don't let those
other voices get in the way.
Remember that you were createdout of love and love is the
essence of existence.
When I worked in hospice just alast story every hospice
patient that I ever worked at,in their last dying breath, used
(35:09):
to say remind people, all thereis is love.
All there is is love.
Yuli (35:13):
Beautiful, so beautiful.
Again, really grateful to haveyou with us and sharing your
beautiful stories, and I can'twait to dig deeper into Sufism
myself.
Salima (35:28):
Great.
Yuli (35:29):
And I think peace is definitely something that is on
the top of the list in terms ofwhat's needed in the world right
now.
So thank you for spreading thisbeautiful mission.
Salima (35:40):
Yes, thank you for having me.
You're a wonderful host andbeautiful questions, thank you.
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