November 11, 2024 • 40 mins
Discover the transformative power of earthing with our guest, Clint Ober, the visionary behind the earthing movement and EarthFX Inc. Clint's journey from a Montana ranch to pioneering discoveries in the cable TV industry sparked a life-altering question: Could modern footwear be affecting our health? Join us as Clint shares a personal childhood memory that ignited his passion for natural healing and invites us to explore grounding practices across cultures, urging a reconnection with the Earth for enhanced well-being.
Explore the revolutionary impact of earthing on inflammation and chronic pain. Clint reveals research findings that show how grounding can neutralize oxidative stress and reduce inflammation, offering hope for those with autoimmune disorders. We delve into how lifestyle changes have disconnected us from the Earth's charge, contributing to health issues, and discuss earthing products that simulate the grounding experience indoors. Clint emphasizes the importance of simple grounding practices, inviting listeners to restore their body's balance and improve health, with more insights available through his work and the Earthing website.
Together, we'll build Healthy Cells, and a Healthy You!
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
Hi listeners.
As a new co-host for the BetterWellness Podcast, I'm proud to
share the latest episode of myinterview with the brilliant
founder of the earthing movement, clint Ober.
It's a healing journey you'llwant to take.
Recently, wellness expert DavidDelrahim was here with our host
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, roland Perez, for an episodethat focused on how nature can
change our lives.
Roland promised that we wouldexplore the topic of grounding
our bodies for health in a fullepisode, so today we're talking
to the world's preeminent expertin earthing.
Welcome to Better Wellness, apodcast that explores the newest
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innovations in true wellness.
I'm your host, janet Walker,filling in for Roland Perez as
an executive producer of theAmerican Health Journal and
Innovations in Medicine.
For more than 25 years we'veproduced over 530 award-winning
healthcare television shows thathave aired nationally on PBS
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with an audience of over 100million viewers.
The Better Wellness Podcastcontinues to explore health
topics to keep your body healthyand to help you develop the
mindset and balance thatprevents illness.
Our guests are experiencedexperts in the world of staying
healthy, young and well.
Our guest today is Clint Ober.
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Beginning as an expert in cableTV grounding systems, clint's
research led to pioneering workin the field of earthing for
health.
Today he is the founder ofEarthFX, a grounding research
and development company thatpatented the first indoor
earthing products.
Welcome to the show, clint.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Thank you, Janet.
Thanks for having me on yourshow.
It's a real honor and apleasure to be here.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Well, I was so happy to hear that you were going to
be able to join us remotely fromyour offices at EarthFX Inc.
Thanks again.
First, let me ask what isearthing.
First let me ask what isearthing, and is that different
from grounding?
Speaker 2 (02:27):
The words are commonly used interchangeably,
but earthing actually means toelectrically connect with the
earth.
But earthing is the moretechnical name, the more used
name around the world.
Earthing is very simply puttingyour feet directly on the earth
.
Grounding is bringing twothings to the same electrical
potential.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
How did you become a part of the discovery of
earthing for health?
Speaker 2 (02:52):
I grew up on a ranch in Montana and as a boy I was
set on a horse most of the time,but anyhow, at that time I
spent a lot of time in nature.
So I become very attuned to thethings in nature.
And when I left thatenvironment I went to work in
the cable television industry,which was just beginning in its
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early stages in Montana andPennsylvania area.
And as we were pioneering thatindustry we learned that you had
to ground everything to theearth industry.
We learned that you had toground everything to the earth.
You had to connect the wiresthat are in the air to the earth
physically in order for them todischarge static electricity or
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any environmental charges thatcould be created on the wires,
like lightning and so on, andground it to the earth so that
it didn't travel into the home,blow up a tv set or start a fire
, so, but anyhow.
So along the way we learnedthat a lot of noise, a lot of
static, a lot of problems andpower surges.
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We had to ground everything.
But anyhow, when I was 50 Iretired.
At that time I was noticing oneday that everybody was wearing
Nike type tennis shoes and Inever really wore those because
I was either barefoot when I wasa kid or I was wearing a
leather cowboy shirt.
I always did it just like that,and whenever I would put these
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tennis shoes on, my feet wouldsweat and I didn't like that.
So I never really got a tanbefore.
But one day I was standingthere at a tourist area and two
of us were there and they wereon a tourist bus.
They were all.
I think it was a Japanese tourand I just looked at them and I
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just intuitively asked them Iwonder if no longer being
naturally grounded could have aneffect on our physiology and
our health.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
Because they were all wearing those rubber-soled
sneakers.
Yes, I didn't really know I hadno clue.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
It just came out of nowhere but anyhow.
So grounding was an accidentaldiscovery on my part.
As it relates to my health, Ididn't know.
I'm surprised that I didn'thave to go see that every place.
I was born in 1907.
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I do not have an earlyexistence.
I'm not born in the 19thcentury.
I'm not born in the 19thcentury, but you're in the 19th
century.
But early per se goes back towhen I was a kid.
One time.
I was raised in a village.
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I was born in a village.
I was born in a village.
I had a couple of my bestfriends growing up, but one day
one of my friends' sister hadscarlet fever and they had been
to the docks but there wasnothing they could do.
And this was in the 50s, early50s.
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So when they brought her home,one of the elders dug a little
pit in the ground and put alittle bit of straw in it and
they laid her in there.
So she was in the earth, notburied in there, and they were
in the ground and then theybuilt a fire to put her in the
ground.
Somebody was sitting there withher for a few days and then we
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came home one day and there shewas and I didn't think anything
about that in my mind.
But as I got more and morecloser I got more and more that
it mattered.
And then I did some research andI found many cultures around
the world Very people who havehigh fever symptoms different.
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We have high fever symptoms, wehave a culture of ice, we have
a culture of wind.
It sounds odd but it's reallyweird.
It's almost like we're in aculture that includes the cold
and the wind and the ice.
It's just a process and we'reprobably cruel about it.
We're not even going to bethere if we don't have the
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people that we say we are.
It's just a way the Chinesegovernment has been trying to
get the Chinese government to dosomething about it.
They say it's an injury.
The Chinese government hasbacked back last year's law.
They say it comes into thepicture.
They're having some sort ofremedy in the center of the
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country Stabilizes or returnsthe body to normal.
They had no technicalbackground and I wasn't aware of
any of that at the time Istarted this work, but anyhow.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
So it's kind of something that's always been
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there and every culture has astory about it.
Thank you, a society of our own.
What do you think caused us tothis event?
From such a natural way ofliving and from experiencing the
benefits of earthing?
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Oh, that's a good one .
When I was a kid, as soon asschool was out, we lost the
shoes and we were alwaysbarefoot.
We couldn't get shoes on us.
So back then, you know, wedidn't know anything about that,
we just knew for the comfort ofbeing barefoot, because we
loved being barefoot.
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What happened was in 1950, plusor minus a few years television
began to surface.
People started spending moretime indoors.
Before then you couldn't get usin the house.
There was nothing to do in thehouse except listen to the radio
on a Saturday night, and soanyhow.
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Then in the late 1950s theydiscovered polymers, plastics.
The first thing that happenedwith plastics was we put them on
the soles of our shoes and westarted carpeting our homes.
So that was great, because noweverybody could afford shoes and
they were inexpensive.
You didn't have to worry aboutgetting care of them, you could
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just wear them anytime.
But television, I think, was alittle more interesting, because
all of a sudden our livesswitched and we were able to do
things that we didn't want to do, just to run anything.
And but television, I think,was a little more interesting,
because all of a sudden ourlives switched from a time down
back.
Television became thecenterpiece of the home.
Everybody got in and out, beingin doors or spending more time
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in doors, being entertained viatelevision.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
And now we have computers us further and further
away Even the processed foods.
I'm sure there's not peoplethat are putting their hands in
the dirt with vegetable gardenslike there used to be.
No, it isn't Like when I wasgrowing up in Montana, you know
we grew everything.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
We had fresh eggs every day and we milked cows.
We made our own cottage cheese,we made our own yogurts.
We made everything ourselvesand the only thing that we
didn't make was sugar and flourand sugar.
Before then sugar was, you know, it was common, but it wasn't.
And now everything we eat issugar.
Yeah, everything has pulled usaway from that natural world,
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that innate lifestyle that wehad.
We didn't know about the health, we had never heard of it, or
the information.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
So that brings us to my next question what disorders
happen from this disconnectionand how does birthing heal?
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Well, that's a good one.
I first discovered this in themiddle of my high-dose and I was
at the time I was 15 orsomething.
I had a hard time sleeping.
I cried for a year.
I was a geek for a year.
I was a geek for a whole year.
Funny how I started groundingmyself in the world of the
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accident.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
And I said, I started grounding myself in the world
of the accident, and that's whenI started talking about the
whole thing, and that comesabout from inflammation.
Inflammation is the wordinflammation, which is what
describes it.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
It's the word of the state of the accident.
I was a doctor, I was a doctor.
I was a doctor, I was a doctor.
At the time nobody knew I wouldget studies and we would get
adjusted.
I would get studies and wewould get adjusted.
I would get studies and wewould get adjusted and we would
get adjusted and we would getadjusted and we would get
adjusted and we would getadjusted and we would get
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adjusted and we would getadjusted.
I know what they're doing.
They're saying just nottrusting me.
I know I have to do this.
I know I have to do this.
I know I have to do this.
I know I have to do this.
I just kept doing the research.
I just kept doing the research.
I just kept doing the research.
I just kept doing the research.
I just kept doing the research.
I just kept doing the research.
I just kept doing the research.
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I just kept doing the.
Thank you when you startedrunning around yourself.
You just started running around.
Can you describe it so that Ican get a picture in my head of
what you were doing Back then?
I was running around, I wasrunning around.
Can you begin to describe whatyou were doing?
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I was running around, I wasexperiencing this, I was running
around, I was running around, Iwas running around, I was
running around, and that led meto testing out more about this.
And the first night that I didthis, I went to a hardware store
and I bought a roll ofthree-inch wide metal, aluminum
heating tape, duct tape.
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I brought it home and I put iton my bed, taped it across my
bed and I connected it to a wire, threw the wire out the window.
I connected it to a wire, threwthe wire out the window,
connected it to a ground rod.
It was at earth potential.
Most people wouldn't know to dothis or even think about it.
No, wow, but I had to have twowires out of the window.
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I'm going to take that.
I'm silly.
I'm going to take it.
I'm still going to run.
I'm running out of time.
I'm running out of time.
So I lay down on the ground andnormally I do it in a deep
breath.
I'm going to go slow.
I'm going to stay right infront of it.
I'm going to slow it.
So we have to push it in.
So I lay down on the stake andI have a needle in my hand and I
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didn't.
I don't know, but I wasn'ttouching the tape and then I
would have these charges andthat was static electricity.
And the other thing I said Idon't know, I didn't say
anything, I'm not going to sayanything.
There's a static electricitysource, it's everything.
I'm moving, I'm moving, I'mmoving.
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Static electricity source, it'severything.
And when you're in your shoebox,there's a static charge that is
created.
It bleeds off quite quickly,but you're forever creating it
and replicating it, so your bodyis forever charged with this
environmental energy.
When you're standing on theearth, the earth is infinitely
large compared to the sky, sowhen you put your feet on it,
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you're actually connecting tothe earth.
Then, when you cut one, you'reconnecting to the earth just
like plugging something into anoutlet, and this has been there
since the beginning of time.
It's a totally natural test, anatural phenomenon, and it
requires free electrons to livein.
So they're like, but anyhow,it's not something that you can
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harvest, it's free to livearound, it's universal, it's
something that we all need.
So when you stand on the Earth,you are like a building for
human beings, and the same thingfor us people.
What that does is it creates alittle static, a little static
wave.
Once I recognized that theground was my body and that I
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was going to be in the sameplace, I used the wave and I
fell asleep quite quickly.
And I woke up the next morningwith the reader mic by my side
and I turned over and I lookedat it and I said, whoa, there's
something going on.
Because I fell asleep, I didn'thave to take any Advil, I feel
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rested, I feel like better thanI felt in a long time.
So that was the real aha.
Okay, there's something goingon here.
I didn't know exactly what itwas.
I knew everything about all thenoise and all the emf and all
the static.
I knew all that, but I had noidea that the body is, when it's
ungrounded, when it's not incontact with the earth, it's an
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antenna that attracts staticcharges and everybody has
experienced it, because you walkacross the room and on some
days you can touch the doorknoband there's a spark Right.
That spark is from your bodydischarging excess electrons on
the body to the doorknob or viceversa.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
So really someone can start experiencing the benefits
of earthing right now just bybeing barefoot on the grass or
dirt or sand.
Is that correct?
Speaker 2 (17:09):
Yes, anything that is pieced in a part of the earth,
like concrete sitting on theearth, would be, and it's made
of earth, so it would beconductive or semi-conductive,
like the earth itself Grass,damp, grass, just anything that
is earth or earthen or alive andconnected to the earth, Like if
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you're riding a horse bareback,then the horse is grounded and
when you sit on it you'regrounded.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
Oh, wow.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
Now, that's why a lot of special needs programs like
to take the kids and put them onhorses.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Because it calms their nervous system.
And now we know why.
We didn't know why it's a bighorse.
But the horse is grounded, it'spart of the earth electrically.
You sit on the horse with yourskin touching the horse and then
you are grounded.
And all living things up untilmodern times were naturally
grounded to the earth.
You couldn't get off of theearth.
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Now you can't get back to theearth unless you take your shoes
off and go to the park orwherever.
So what happens is when youground the body to the earth,
the body touches the earth.
Then the body absorbs asufficient amount of these
electrons to maintain the bodyat earth.
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Potential Earth potential meansthe electrical charge of the
earth and the electrical chargeon your body is identical, one
and the same.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
Now you mentioned a meter, so then grounding can
actually be measured in ourbodies.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Okay, Measuring the electrical functioning in the
body.
First of all, every single cellin your body is electrical,
Every single cell.
To measure the body as a wholeand say the body has an
electrical voltage of X would bea little bit challenging and it
would take very expensiveinstruments to do that.
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And we have done that and weknow this.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
So getting back to health issues, specifically
inflammation.
What did you discover aboutinflammation?
Speaker 2 (19:22):
Yeah, that was the question of questions, and no
matter who I talked to in thescientific community or the
medical community, they all saidwell, what's the mechanism of
that?
You have to tell us why thisworks, because we don't
understand.
And so I spent, you know, eightto 10 years just wandering
around trying to uncover.
Well, why does grounding reduceinflammation in the body?
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We actually did a study anddeveloped a whole list of the
things that grounding wasaffecting in the body.
One day I was sitting workingon a research paper and somebody
had mentioned something aboutoxidative stress and pain.
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They said if you're researchingpain, you need to be
researching oxidative stress.
Pain is a byproduct ofoxidation.
Oxidation in our world now meansfire.
The body's on fire, so the bodyis being oxidized, just like
when you light a match to a log.
You're lighting a fire, it'soxidizing the log, it's burning
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the log up.
So at the time that was DrSteven Sinatra.
He was a famous cardiologistthat helped work with me for 15
years or so.
But anyhow, he said you've gotto go research oxidation.
So I started looking and then Iwanted to know what promoted
oxidation, and then that led meto the immune system.
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And so, in short, if you have apathogen in your body or an
injury, then the immune systemwill respond by sending a
neutrophil, a white blood cell,over to the site of injury or
issue and the neutrophil it'skind of a jelly cell.
It will just kind of wrapitself around the pathogen and
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then it will release what wecall reactive oxygen species.
The word reactive oxygen meansthat it's highly electrically
charged, charged sufficient thatit can rip an electron from the
shell of the pathogen anddestroy it.
That's how the immune systemworks and there's lots of
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technical explanation.
But bottom line is oxidativepain is like what I call Vicodin
type pain hot burning, and it'sinflammatory.
Healing pain oftentimes is justyou injured yourself and the
body produces enough pain tokeep you or prevent you from
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doing further injury.
So you rest, relax or dosomething.
So one day, in a moment, Irecognized that well, the only
thing I'm doing is I'mconnecting somebody to the earth
and the only thing that happenswhen you connect somebody to
the Earth is Earth's naturalenergy negative charge.
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Earth's electrical chargetravels up the wire and then
anything connected to that wire.
It will absorb sufficientelectrons to maintain Earth's
potential.
So it's at the same electricalcharge as the Earth, and the
significance of that was verysimple when you ground a person,
the pain disappears, goes away.
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So what you're doing is thebody's absorbing these free
electrons from the Earth andnormally when you have an
oxidative burst, throughouthistory we were always grounded.
Nobody ever needed to know aboutgrounding because it was
automatic, it was just likesunshine.
Then that helped me torecognize that it was the shoes
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that was universal around theworld.
That changed in the 1960s, thenthe carpets and the creature
comforts and the plasticizationof everything that we touch,
including the steering wheel inour car, you know whatever,
because when I was a kid we usedto have tractors or whatever,
and they were metal andeverything was metal.
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Today you can't touch anythingmetal.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
No, I mean, we have a computer mouse in our hand
eight hours a day, 10 hours aday, and it's plastic yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
Right, so anyhow, that's how I made the connection
was.
Well, all I'm doing is pouringfree electrons into the body and
the body's absorbing them andit's reducing oxidative stress.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
So someone who starts incorporating earthing into
their lives can expect areduction of inflammation and
starting to feel better lesspain, better sleep.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
Oh yeah, no, what it affects is if you have pain or
you are in pain, then your fightor flight system is elevated,
your sympathetic state ischronically elevated and that's
pumping your body full ofcortisol the cortisol.
If you don't reduce that, theneventually it'll create more
pain, the pain creates morestress and it's just a vicious
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circle.
So, anyhow, what's happening iswe learned that because the
body is now short of electrons,does not have enough free
electrons to reduce theoxidative charge, Immune system
is doing exactly what it'ssupposed to it's oxidizing
pathogens.
The problem is, after theoxidative burst, if there's any
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free radicals left overelectrically charged molecules,
oxidants then they will steal anelectron from a healthy cell,
damage it, another neutrophilcomes and you have a chain
reaction and that's the start ofchronic inflammation, or what
they call autoimmune disorder,meaning the immune system is not
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functioning like it's supposedto.
Normally it does that all daylong, but the problem is there's
not enough free electrons inthe body to unwind and ground
the excess radicals left overafter an oxidative burst.
So therefore, that's what theproblem is.
Can grounding help people whohave autoimmune conditions, then
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you can't have an autoimmunedisease if you were to get
grounded and stay grounded.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
Oh interesting, it's not possible.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
So to give you an example, I make that statement
loosely, but basically theanimals in the wild.
Inflammation doesn't exist innature.
This only exists in humans andanimals who live indoors with
their owners.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
And you mentioned cortisol.
So that's the fight or flighthormone, yes, which, in short,
bursts when we need.
It is a good thing.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
But when it builds up , and builds up, and builds up
in our body, it gets to thesecritical levels.
So you become chronicallyelevated.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
You have chronically elevated cortisol.
That left alone meets thefibromyalgia, lupus, ms, and it
keeps on going up the ladder.
So the thing that women have todo at the end of the day
because they are much moresensitive than the guys they
have to take a chair, gooutdoors, take their shoes off,
put their feet, sit down, puttheir feet directly on the earth
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.
Really that simple and it takes15, takes, you know, 15 to 30
minutes.
First thing that's going tohappen and this is all we know
this because of our studiesfirst thing that's going to
happen is you're going todischarge any electrical charges
on your body.
That's static electricity,that's, you know, all this stuff
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.
But that charge, that's thecellular charge from
inflammation, is going todischarge and that happens near
the speed of light.
Now the damage that has beencreated in the body by being
charged or being electrifiedwith all this stuff.
But as soon as you ground thebody, the body absorbs these
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electrons, dissipates thesecharges and then the electrons
stabilize the immune system.
It begins to function normallyand in a couple, three or four
minutes the immune systembecomes stable.
Now there's a lot of damagethat's been created in your body
from being ungrounded for days,hours, weeks, months and, for
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many people, years.
And this damage has manifesteddifferently in different people
based on their genetics, theirlifestyle, what they eat, their
mental attitude.
Everything creates, you know,is electrical.
So our body's full of charges,our brain, everything, our
emotions, everything is anelectrical charge.
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So you ground this out.
The first thing you feel is kindof a release.
A lot of times you don't eventhink about it because it feels
so good to get grounded.
You just do it automatically.
You don't even know why, itdoesn't matter, but the first
thing you're going to feel is arelease of this energy and the
tension in your body is going toreduce.
Now you have free electronsbeing absorbed by the body.
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So now you have greater rangeof motion.
Because you have more energy,more electrons, you can breathe
a little easier, your O2 uptakeis a little improved and then
any pain that you have, usuallywithin 15 to 30 minutes.
I don't really care what kindof pain it is.
From my experience, anyoxidative pain you have is going
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to 30 minutes.
I don't really care what kindof pain it is.
From my experience, anyoxidative pain you have is going
to subside.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
Okay, I think, as soon as this interview is over,
I'm going to go out in mybackyard and walk on the grass
for a while.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
Yeah, that's what you're doing.
Then just kind of make a mentalnote.
You know about the tension inyour body, your respiration, and
then just that relaxationeffect that comes over you.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
I saw that there are at least 20 peer-reviewed
clinical studies in the medicalcommunity about earthing that
prove the positive benefits.
Why aren't more doctors talkingabout it with their patients?
Speaker 2 (29:02):
I don't want to get myself in trouble here, but I'll
tell a short story.
I have a lot of friends in themedical industry.
I have a group in San Diegoarea that when we grounded the
riders in the Tour de France,you know back in 204 or
something in that timeframe.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
So how exactly did you do that?
What did you use to ground theriders?
Speaker 2 (29:25):
What we call the recovered bag.
It was a you use to ground theriders.
What we call the recovered bag.
It was a like, if you can thinkof, a king-size sheet folded
over, but it had a conductivecarbon material on it and it had
a zipper, so it was like a bigsleeping bag.
Oh, okay.
And it was grounded.
So then you ground it to theearth, like we did for the tour.
We designed it for the writersof the Tour de France, the US
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Postal Team and Team Discovery.
Some of these writers werepatients of one of these docs
and when he found out about ithe said well, I want one of
those.
So he got one and he playedwith it, took it home, and then
he called up and wanted more,and so I started giving him a
dozen at a time, sometimes twodozen.
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And then he called and put inan order and I said I'm going to
be driving to San Diego.
I'd like to at least stop andmeet you.
And so I went there and I askedhim.
I said what do you do withthese things?
And he says, well, we use themourselves, you know, to stay off
the some of the meds, toprevent what we now know as
inflammation in modern healthdisorder, but anyhow.
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So I asked him.
I said why don't you give theseto your patients?
Because you know it works Well,it really had great effect on
the writers, because those guysare doing a 22 or 23 day
marathon every day, all day long, and their issue is recovery.
They have to recover, they haveto prevent inflammation in the
bodies, because you don'trecover if you have inflammation
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.
But when I asked him how come hedidn't give it to everyone else
, he said and he's a nice guy,and he wasn't demeaning anything
and I'm not demeaning him atall, but he said it's very
simple.
He said I went to school for 12years and I look around.
He said I have this office, Ihave this staff, I have all of
these people and he said I'vegot a wife that's married to a
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doctor.
Those were his exact words.
But anyhow, he said I can'ttell people to go home and get
well for free.
I have to do my tests, I haveto do all the things I do.
And to do my tests I have to doall the things I do, and a lot
of people they need medicalattention, medical care and
medical guidance.
So I'm not trying to interferewith any of that.
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But they knew the significanthealth benefits of it.
And he said we can't just tellpeople to go home and take their
shoes off and get well, becauseit does have such a profound
effect on the cardiovascularsystem, because cardiovascular
disease is an inflammation.
It's an inflammatory healthdisorder.
It doesn't exist in nature andwe have lots of docs and lots of
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nurse practitioners, lots ofpeople who suggested that you
ought to try for certain peoplebecause there's not much you can
do for certain diseases.
There's a point where itbecomes more palliative care and
to be able to ground thesepeople and reduce their pain,
even though they can't recommendit because it's not blessed by
the medical world, ama and so on.
(32:17):
But I did call the FDA one timewhen I first started on this and
I said I want to know what allthe rules are, because this is
something that affects health.
And I explained it and he saidwell, they kind of understand
what I was talking about.
But he says we do not regulatenatural phenomena.
This is a natural phenomenon.
This is not something youbottle up and put it in packages
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and ship it around andwholesale it and sell it.
This is something that isavailable to every person on the
planet and it's free, isavailable to every person on the
planet and it's free If you canfind a spot of bare earth or
dirt or grass that you can spendtime on, and for a long time.
I just called this poor man'smedicine.
You don't have to do anything.
(33:00):
I mean, whatever's wrong withyou.
If you have something wrong,please don't even think about it
.
Go to a doc to have the test.
But for inflammation-relatedhealth disorders whether it's
lupus, ms, any of those kinds ofhealth disorders just go
outdoors, put your feet on theearth for 15 to 30 minutes and
notice what happens, and if it'sgood, then do it twice a day.
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If it's really good, then do itmore often.
Lose the shoes.
Don't wear them in the house.
Don't wear shoes ever at all ifyou don't have to.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
You've written a book and produced documentaries,
including the Earthing Movie,the Remarkable Science of
Grounding, and you've got somebig celebrity names promoting
earthing for health.
Author and actress MurielHemingway is a huge proponent of
the movement, especially forits effects on mental health.
Why do you think that earthingis gaining so much popularity
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among the celebrity crowd?
Speaker 2 (33:58):
Well, first of all, it works.
These people are all stressed.
If you think of an athlete,like you know, like the baseball
players, football players,whatever I mean, they're high
output, energy, I mean, and theyhave lots of information
because they have to maintainmuscle tone and have to work out
.
They have to do all thesethings.
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Actresses are the same actorsand actresses and performers
like Sting or any of thesepeople who are putting out all
this energy and they're on touror they're doing this or
whatever, they have to recoverevery night.
Recovery is the name of thegame.
You're only going to stay inthe game as long as you can
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recover.
When we started grounding theTour de France and talking about
recovery, then all of a sudden,a lot of high-profile actors,
actresses I would say that mostelite athletes and the baseball
players, Half of them usegrounding, A lot of the sports
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teams, but the actors andactresses, they all go to
similar type docs as theathletes.
And when I started groundingmatured to France, all of a
sudden all the other docsstarted to find out about it.
The docs who take care of thesekind of people found out about
it.
And then I started getting allthese calls and they said well,
you know, other people are doingit.
(35:24):
I got to do it and I got to doit now.
But earthing took off all byitself.
We've never known how to marketit, because this is more of a
research and development companyEarth Effects Inc.
And the Earthing Institute iswhere all this stuff is
deposited all the studies andeverything.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
Let's talk a little bit about your company, earth FX
.
Not everyone lives in a placeor has the time to get outside
barefoot, so your company hasdeveloped products that can give
people the earthing experienceand benefits inside their homes,
cars or offices.
Yes, how was it that you cameto start manufacturing products
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for earthing?
Speaker 2 (36:09):
I never in my life ever thought that I would be in
the business of creatingproducts.
But anyhow, along the way, whenwe started doing studies, we
would bring people in who hadnot necessarily health disorders
, but just to be able to groundthem for a period and then draw
blood before and afterwards ordo biofeedback or just all of
the things that we did After wedid the studies.
The people who were groundedall wanted to keep the devices
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that we were using to groundthem during this test period.
The reason is because it madepain go away in 15 to 30 minutes
.
So, anyhow, we started givingthem the test units and then all
of a sudden they start comingback and wanting one for their
mom or one for their grandma anddaughter or whatever.
(36:53):
But that little universe.
And then all of a sudden wedidn't have any scraps, didn't
have enough product or anything.
So we sat down one day and dayand we said, okay, what is one
thing we can do that we canproduce so that people, when
they leave here or learn aboutit, they can at least for the
people who can't get groundedany other way they can at least
do this.
And so the first thing thathappened, we were working in one
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of our facilities and we hadthese conductive mats thin black
conductive mats laying on ourbenches so we could put
electronic parts on it and nothave any static electricity harm
them.
So, anyhow, we looked at themattress and said, well, the
best thing we can possibly do,without creating something they
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have to do every day, is createa mat that they can sleep on.
They have to put it on theirmattress, cover it up with the
sheet if they want, and lay downand do what they always do
every single night Just comehome, lay down, go to sleep and
let nature put out the fire ofinflammation and help them
recover.
And then we started giving themaway.
And then, all of a sudden, itwas too big, so we had to start
(37:57):
buying stuff.
And then we started giving themaway.
And then, all of a sudden, itwas too big, so we had to start
buying stuff.
And then we started sellingthem and we sold them for.
So, anyhow, this, over a periodof 20 years, is now a business
that goes around the world.
It's kind of that kind of athing People learn about it and
they share it.
You can't sell it because theydon't believe you or don't
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understand what you're talkingabout unless you experience it,
or you trust somebody, or you dosomething that somebody's
telling you to do.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
Well, unfortunately we're out of time to talk about
all of the amazing earthingproducts you offer, including
the mattress pads, shoes, yogamats and more, but listeners can
visit your website atearthingcom to see the full
product list and I'm surethey'll be glad they did.
Clint, thank you so much forbeing here.
(38:47):
It was so nice talking with youSame here, and hopefully we'll
get to talk again at some pointsoon.
Take care.
Speaker 2 (38:56):
You bet.
Thank you, take care.
Speaker 1 (38:57):
Listeners.
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can help you heal, and ClintOber's book Earthing the most
important health discovery everby visiting wwwearthingcom.
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Hi listeners.
As a new co-host for the BetterWellness Podcast, I'm proud to
share the latest episode of myinterview with the brilliant
founder of the earthing movement, clint Ober.
It's a healing journey you'llwant to take.
Recently, wellness expert DavidDelrahim was here with our host
(00:38):
, roland Perez, for an episodethat focused on how nature can
change our lives.
Roland promised that we wouldexplore the topic of grounding
our bodies for health in a fullepisode, so today we're talking
to the world's preeminent expertin earthing.
Welcome to Better Wellness, apodcast that explores the newest
(01:00):
innovations in true wellness.
I'm your host, janet Walker,filling in for Roland Perez as
an executive producer of theAmerican Health Journal and
Innovations in Medicine.
For more than 25 years we'veproduced over 530 award-winning
healthcare television shows thathave aired nationally on PBS
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with an audience of over 100million viewers.
The Better Wellness Podcastcontinues to explore health
topics to keep your body healthyand to help you develop the
mindset and balance thatprevents illness.
Our guests are experiencedexperts in the world of staying
healthy, young and well.
Our guest today is Clint Ober.
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Beginning as an expert in cableTV grounding systems, clint's
research led to pioneering workin the field of earthing for
health.
Today he is the founder ofEarthFX, a grounding research
and development company thatpatented the first indoor
earthing products.
Welcome to the show, clint.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Thank you, Janet.
Thanks for having me on yourshow.
It's a real honor and apleasure to be here.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Well, I was so happy to hear that you were going to
be able to join us remotely fromyour offices at EarthFX Inc.
Thanks again.
First, let me ask what isearthing.
First let me ask what isearthing, and is that different
from grounding?
Speaker 2 (02:27):
The words are commonly used interchangeably,
but earthing actually means toelectrically connect with the
earth.
But earthing is the moretechnical name, the more used
name around the world.
Earthing is very simply puttingyour feet directly on the earth
.
Grounding is bringing twothings to the same electrical
potential.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
How did you become a part of the discovery of
earthing for health?
Speaker 2 (02:52):
I grew up on a ranch in Montana and as a boy I was
set on a horse most of the time,but anyhow, at that time I
spent a lot of time in nature.
So I become very attuned to thethings in nature.
And when I left thatenvironment I went to work in
the cable television industry,which was just beginning in its
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early stages in Montana andPennsylvania area.
And as we were pioneering thatindustry we learned that you had
to ground everything to theearth industry.
We learned that you had toground everything to the earth.
You had to connect the wiresthat are in the air to the earth
physically in order for them todischarge static electricity or
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any environmental charges thatcould be created on the wires,
like lightning and so on, andground it to the earth so that
it didn't travel into the home,blow up a tv set or start a fire
, so, but anyhow.
So along the way we learnedthat a lot of noise, a lot of
static, a lot of problems andpower surges.
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We had to ground everything.
But anyhow, when I was 50 Iretired.
At that time I was noticing oneday that everybody was wearing
Nike type tennis shoes and Inever really wore those because
I was either barefoot when I wasa kid or I was wearing a
leather cowboy shirt.
I always did it just like that,and whenever I would put these
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tennis shoes on, my feet wouldsweat and I didn't like that.
So I never really got a tanbefore.
But one day I was standingthere at a tourist area and two
of us were there and they wereon a tourist bus.
They were all.
I think it was a Japanese tourand I just looked at them and I
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just intuitively asked them Iwonder if no longer being
naturally grounded could have aneffect on our physiology and
our health.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
Because they were all wearing those rubber-soled
sneakers.
Yes, I didn't really know I hadno clue.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
It just came out of nowhere but anyhow.
So grounding was an accidentaldiscovery on my part.
As it relates to my health, Ididn't know.
I'm surprised that I didn'thave to go see that every place.
I was born in 1907.
(05:16):
I do not have an earlyexistence.
I'm not born in the 19thcentury.
I'm not born in the 19thcentury, but you're in the 19th
century.
But early per se goes back towhen I was a kid.
One time.
I was raised in a village.
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I was born in a village.
I was born in a village.
I had a couple of my bestfriends growing up, but one day
one of my friends' sister hadscarlet fever and they had been
to the docks but there wasnothing they could do.
And this was in the 50s, early50s.
(05:59):
So when they brought her home,one of the elders dug a little
pit in the ground and put alittle bit of straw in it and
they laid her in there.
So she was in the earth, notburied in there, and they were
in the ground and then theybuilt a fire to put her in the
ground.
Somebody was sitting there withher for a few days and then we
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came home one day and there shewas and I didn't think anything
about that in my mind.
But as I got more and morecloser I got more and more that
it mattered.
And then I did some research andI found many cultures around
the world Very people who havehigh fever symptoms different.
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We have high fever symptoms, wehave a culture of ice, we have
a culture of wind.
It sounds odd but it's reallyweird.
It's almost like we're in aculture that includes the cold
and the wind and the ice.
It's just a process and we'reprobably cruel about it.
We're not even going to bethere if we don't have the
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people that we say we are.
It's just a way the Chinesegovernment has been trying to
get the Chinese government to dosomething about it.
They say it's an injury.
The Chinese government hasbacked back last year's law.
They say it comes into thepicture.
They're having some sort ofremedy in the center of the
(07:26):
country Stabilizes or returnsthe body to normal.
They had no technicalbackground and I wasn't aware of
any of that at the time Istarted this work, but anyhow.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
So it's kind of something that's always been
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there and every culture has astory about it.
Thank you, a society of our own.
What do you think caused us tothis event?
From such a natural way ofliving and from experiencing the
benefits of earthing?
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Oh, that's a good one .
When I was a kid, as soon asschool was out, we lost the
shoes and we were alwaysbarefoot.
We couldn't get shoes on us.
So back then, you know, wedidn't know anything about that,
we just knew for the comfort ofbeing barefoot, because we
loved being barefoot.
(08:51):
What happened was in 1950, plusor minus a few years television
began to surface.
People started spending moretime indoors.
Before then you couldn't get usin the house.
There was nothing to do in thehouse except listen to the radio
on a Saturday night, and soanyhow.
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Then in the late 1950s theydiscovered polymers, plastics.
The first thing that happenedwith plastics was we put them on
the soles of our shoes and westarted carpeting our homes.
So that was great, because noweverybody could afford shoes and
they were inexpensive.
You didn't have to worry aboutgetting care of them, you could
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just wear them anytime.
But television, I think, was alittle more interesting, because
all of a sudden our livesswitched and we were able to do
things that we didn't want to do, just to run anything.
And but television, I think,was a little more interesting,
because all of a sudden ourlives switched from a time down
back.
Television became thecenterpiece of the home.
Everybody got in and out, beingin doors or spending more time
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in doors, being entertained viatelevision.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
And now we have computers us further and further
away Even the processed foods.
I'm sure there's not peoplethat are putting their hands in
the dirt with vegetable gardenslike there used to be.
No, it isn't Like when I wasgrowing up in Montana, you know
we grew everything.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
We had fresh eggs every day and we milked cows.
We made our own cottage cheese,we made our own yogurts.
We made everything ourselvesand the only thing that we
didn't make was sugar and flourand sugar.
Before then sugar was, you know, it was common, but it wasn't.
And now everything we eat issugar.
Yeah, everything has pulled usaway from that natural world,
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that innate lifestyle that wehad.
We didn't know about the health, we had never heard of it, or
the information.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
So that brings us to my next question what disorders
happen from this disconnectionand how does birthing heal?
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Well, that's a good one.
I first discovered this in themiddle of my high-dose and I was
at the time I was 15 orsomething.
I had a hard time sleeping.
I cried for a year.
I was a geek for a year.
I was a geek for a whole year.
Funny how I started groundingmyself in the world of the
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accident.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
And I said, I started grounding myself in the world
of the accident, and that's whenI started talking about the
whole thing, and that comesabout from inflammation.
Inflammation is the wordinflammation, which is what
describes it.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
It's the word of the state of the accident.
I was a doctor, I was a doctor.
I was a doctor, I was a doctor.
At the time nobody knew I wouldget studies and we would get
adjusted.
I would get studies and wewould get adjusted.
I would get studies and wewould get adjusted and we would
get adjusted and we would getadjusted and we would get
adjusted and we would getadjusted and we would get
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adjusted and we would getadjusted.
I know what they're doing.
They're saying just nottrusting me.
I know I have to do this.
I know I have to do this.
I know I have to do this.
I know I have to do this.
I just kept doing the research.
I just kept doing the research.
I just kept doing the research.
I just kept doing the research.
I just kept doing the research.
I just kept doing the research.
I just kept doing the research.
(12:56):
I just kept doing the.
Thank you when you startedrunning around yourself.
You just started running around.
Can you describe it so that Ican get a picture in my head of
what you were doing Back then?
I was running around, I wasrunning around.
Can you begin to describe whatyou were doing?
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I was running around, I wasexperiencing this, I was running
around, I was running around, Iwas running around, I was
running around, and that led meto testing out more about this.
And the first night that I didthis, I went to a hardware store
and I bought a roll ofthree-inch wide metal, aluminum
heating tape, duct tape.
(13:37):
I brought it home and I put iton my bed, taped it across my
bed and I connected it to a wire, threw the wire out the window.
I connected it to a wire, threwthe wire out the window,
connected it to a ground rod.
It was at earth potential.
Most people wouldn't know to dothis or even think about it.
No, wow, but I had to have twowires out of the window.
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I'm going to take that.
I'm silly.
I'm going to take it.
I'm still going to run.
I'm running out of time.
I'm running out of time.
So I lay down on the ground andnormally I do it in a deep
breath.
I'm going to go slow.
I'm going to stay right infront of it.
I'm going to slow it.
So we have to push it in.
So I lay down on the stake andI have a needle in my hand and I
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didn't.
I don't know, but I wasn'ttouching the tape and then I
would have these charges andthat was static electricity.
And the other thing I said Idon't know, I didn't say
anything, I'm not going to sayanything.
There's a static electricitysource, it's everything.
I'm moving, I'm moving, I'mmoving.
(14:45):
Static electricity source, it'severything.
And when you're in your shoebox,there's a static charge that is
created.
It bleeds off quite quickly,but you're forever creating it
and replicating it, so your bodyis forever charged with this
environmental energy.
When you're standing on theearth, the earth is infinitely
large compared to the sky, sowhen you put your feet on it,
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you're actually connecting tothe earth.
Then, when you cut one, you'reconnecting to the earth just
like plugging something into anoutlet, and this has been there
since the beginning of time.
It's a totally natural test, anatural phenomenon, and it
requires free electrons to livein.
So they're like, but anyhow,it's not something that you can
(15:32):
harvest, it's free to livearound, it's universal, it's
something that we all need.
So when you stand on the Earth,you are like a building for
human beings, and the same thingfor us people.
What that does is it creates alittle static, a little static
wave.
Once I recognized that theground was my body and that I
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was going to be in the sameplace, I used the wave and I
fell asleep quite quickly.
And I woke up the next morningwith the reader mic by my side
and I turned over and I lookedat it and I said, whoa, there's
something going on.
Because I fell asleep, I didn'thave to take any Advil, I feel
(16:15):
rested, I feel like better thanI felt in a long time.
So that was the real aha.
Okay, there's something goingon here.
I didn't know exactly what itwas.
I knew everything about all thenoise and all the emf and all
the static.
I knew all that, but I had noidea that the body is, when it's
ungrounded, when it's not incontact with the earth, it's an
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antenna that attracts staticcharges and everybody has
experienced it, because you walkacross the room and on some
days you can touch the doorknoband there's a spark Right.
That spark is from your bodydischarging excess electrons on
the body to the doorknob or viceversa.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
So really someone can start experiencing the benefits
of earthing right now just bybeing barefoot on the grass or
dirt or sand.
Is that correct?
Speaker 2 (17:09):
Yes, anything that is pieced in a part of the earth,
like concrete sitting on theearth, would be, and it's made
of earth, so it would beconductive or semi-conductive,
like the earth itself Grass,damp, grass, just anything that
is earth or earthen or alive andconnected to the earth, Like if
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you're riding a horse bareback,then the horse is grounded and
when you sit on it you'regrounded.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
Oh, wow.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
Now, that's why a lot of special needs programs like
to take the kids and put them onhorses.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Because it calms their nervous system.
And now we know why.
We didn't know why it's a bighorse.
But the horse is grounded, it'spart of the earth electrically.
You sit on the horse with yourskin touching the horse and then
you are grounded.
And all living things up untilmodern times were naturally
grounded to the earth.
You couldn't get off of theearth.
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Now you can't get back to theearth unless you take your shoes
off and go to the park orwherever.
So what happens is when youground the body to the earth,
the body touches the earth.
Then the body absorbs asufficient amount of these
electrons to maintain the bodyat earth.
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Potential Earth potential meansthe electrical charge of the
earth and the electrical chargeon your body is identical, one
and the same.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
Now you mentioned a meter, so then grounding can
actually be measured in ourbodies.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Okay, Measuring the electrical functioning in the
body.
First of all, every single cellin your body is electrical,
Every single cell.
To measure the body as a wholeand say the body has an
electrical voltage of X would bea little bit challenging and it
would take very expensiveinstruments to do that.
(19:10):
And we have done that and weknow this.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
So getting back to health issues, specifically
inflammation.
What did you discover aboutinflammation?
Speaker 2 (19:22):
Yeah, that was the question of questions, and no
matter who I talked to in thescientific community or the
medical community, they all saidwell, what's the mechanism of
that?
You have to tell us why thisworks, because we don't
understand.
And so I spent, you know, eightto 10 years just wandering
around trying to uncover.
Well, why does grounding reduceinflammation in the body?
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We actually did a study anddeveloped a whole list of the
things that grounding wasaffecting in the body.
One day I was sitting workingon a research paper and somebody
had mentioned something aboutoxidative stress and pain.
(20:05):
They said if you're researchingpain, you need to be
researching oxidative stress.
Pain is a byproduct ofoxidation.
Oxidation in our world now meansfire.
The body's on fire, so the bodyis being oxidized, just like
when you light a match to a log.
You're lighting a fire, it'soxidizing the log, it's burning
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the log up.
So at the time that was DrSteven Sinatra.
He was a famous cardiologistthat helped work with me for 15
years or so.
But anyhow, he said you've gotto go research oxidation.
So I started looking and then Iwanted to know what promoted
oxidation, and then that led meto the immune system.
(20:51):
And so, in short, if you have apathogen in your body or an
injury, then the immune systemwill respond by sending a
neutrophil, a white blood cell,over to the site of injury or
issue and the neutrophil it'skind of a jelly cell.
It will just kind of wrapitself around the pathogen and
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then it will release what wecall reactive oxygen species.
The word reactive oxygen meansthat it's highly electrically
charged, charged sufficient thatit can rip an electron from the
shell of the pathogen anddestroy it.
That's how the immune systemworks and there's lots of
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technical explanation.
But bottom line is oxidativepain is like what I call Vicodin
type pain hot burning, and it'sinflammatory.
Healing pain oftentimes is justyou injured yourself and the
body produces enough pain tokeep you or prevent you from
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doing further injury.
So you rest, relax or dosomething.
So one day, in a moment, Irecognized that well, the only
thing I'm doing is I'mconnecting somebody to the earth
and the only thing that happenswhen you connect somebody to
the Earth is Earth's naturalenergy negative charge.
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Earth's electrical chargetravels up the wire and then
anything connected to that wire.
It will absorb sufficientelectrons to maintain Earth's
potential.
So it's at the same electricalcharge as the Earth, and the
significance of that was verysimple when you ground a person,
the pain disappears, goes away.
(22:37):
So what you're doing is thebody's absorbing these free
electrons from the Earth andnormally when you have an
oxidative burst, throughouthistory we were always grounded.
Nobody ever needed to know aboutgrounding because it was
automatic, it was just likesunshine.
Then that helped me torecognize that it was the shoes
(22:59):
that was universal around theworld.
That changed in the 1960s, thenthe carpets and the creature
comforts and the plasticizationof everything that we touch,
including the steering wheel inour car, you know whatever,
because when I was a kid we usedto have tractors or whatever,
and they were metal andeverything was metal.
(23:19):
Today you can't touch anythingmetal.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
No, I mean, we have a computer mouse in our hand
eight hours a day, 10 hours aday, and it's plastic yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
Right, so anyhow, that's how I made the connection
was.
Well, all I'm doing is pouringfree electrons into the body and
the body's absorbing them andit's reducing oxidative stress.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
So someone who starts incorporating earthing into
their lives can expect areduction of inflammation and
starting to feel better lesspain, better sleep.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
Oh yeah, no, what it affects is if you have pain or
you are in pain, then your fightor flight system is elevated,
your sympathetic state ischronically elevated and that's
pumping your body full ofcortisol the cortisol.
If you don't reduce that, theneventually it'll create more
pain, the pain creates morestress and it's just a vicious
(24:17):
circle.
So, anyhow, what's happening iswe learned that because the
body is now short of electrons,does not have enough free
electrons to reduce theoxidative charge, Immune system
is doing exactly what it'ssupposed to it's oxidizing
pathogens.
The problem is, after theoxidative burst, if there's any
(24:38):
free radicals left overelectrically charged molecules,
oxidants then they will steal anelectron from a healthy cell,
damage it, another neutrophilcomes and you have a chain
reaction and that's the start ofchronic inflammation, or what
they call autoimmune disorder,meaning the immune system is not
(25:00):
functioning like it's supposedto.
Normally it does that all daylong, but the problem is there's
not enough free electrons inthe body to unwind and ground
the excess radicals left overafter an oxidative burst.
So therefore, that's what theproblem is.
Can grounding help people whohave autoimmune conditions, then
(25:21):
you can't have an autoimmunedisease if you were to get
grounded and stay grounded.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
Oh interesting, it's not possible.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
So to give you an example, I make that statement
loosely, but basically theanimals in the wild.
Inflammation doesn't exist innature.
This only exists in humans andanimals who live indoors with
their owners.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
And you mentioned cortisol.
So that's the fight or flighthormone, yes, which, in short,
bursts when we need.
It is a good thing.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
But when it builds up , and builds up, and builds up
in our body, it gets to thesecritical levels.
So you become chronicallyelevated.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
You have chronically elevated cortisol.
That left alone meets thefibromyalgia, lupus, ms, and it
keeps on going up the ladder.
So the thing that women have todo at the end of the day
because they are much moresensitive than the guys they
have to take a chair, gooutdoors, take their shoes off,
put their feet, sit down, puttheir feet directly on the earth
(26:23):
.
Really that simple and it takes15, takes, you know, 15 to 30
minutes.
First thing that's going tohappen and this is all we know
this because of our studiesfirst thing that's going to
happen is you're going todischarge any electrical charges
on your body.
That's static electricity,that's, you know, all this stuff
(26:43):
.
But that charge, that's thecellular charge from
inflammation, is going todischarge and that happens near
the speed of light.
Now the damage that has beencreated in the body by being
charged or being electrifiedwith all this stuff.
But as soon as you ground thebody, the body absorbs these
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electrons, dissipates thesecharges and then the electrons
stabilize the immune system.
It begins to function normallyand in a couple, three or four
minutes the immune systembecomes stable.
Now there's a lot of damagethat's been created in your body
from being ungrounded for days,hours, weeks, months and, for
(27:24):
many people, years.
And this damage has manifesteddifferently in different people
based on their genetics, theirlifestyle, what they eat, their
mental attitude.
Everything creates, you know,is electrical.
So our body's full of charges,our brain, everything, our
emotions, everything is anelectrical charge.
(27:45):
So you ground this out.
The first thing you feel is kindof a release.
A lot of times you don't eventhink about it because it feels
so good to get grounded.
You just do it automatically.
You don't even know why, itdoesn't matter, but the first
thing you're going to feel is arelease of this energy and the
tension in your body is going toreduce.
Now you have free electronsbeing absorbed by the body.
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So now you have greater rangeof motion.
Because you have more energy,more electrons, you can breathe
a little easier, your O2 uptakeis a little improved and then
any pain that you have, usuallywithin 15 to 30 minutes.
I don't really care what kindof pain it is.
From my experience, anyoxidative pain you have is going
(28:28):
to 30 minutes.
I don't really care what kindof pain it is.
From my experience, anyoxidative pain you have is going
to subside.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
Okay, I think, as soon as this interview is over,
I'm going to go out in mybackyard and walk on the grass
for a while.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
Yeah, that's what you're doing.
Then just kind of make a mentalnote.
You know about the tension inyour body, your respiration, and
then just that relaxationeffect that comes over you.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
I saw that there are at least 20 peer-reviewed
clinical studies in the medicalcommunity about earthing that
prove the positive benefits.
Why aren't more doctors talkingabout it with their patients?
Speaker 2 (29:02):
I don't want to get myself in trouble here, but I'll
tell a short story.
I have a lot of friends in themedical industry.
I have a group in San Diegoarea that when we grounded the
riders in the Tour de France,you know back in 204 or
something in that timeframe.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
So how exactly did you do that?
What did you use to ground theriders?
Speaker 2 (29:25):
What we call the recovered bag.
It was a you use to ground theriders.
What we call the recovered bag.
It was a like, if you can thinkof, a king-size sheet folded
over, but it had a conductivecarbon material on it and it had
a zipper, so it was like a bigsleeping bag.
Oh, okay.
And it was grounded.
So then you ground it to theearth, like we did for the tour.
We designed it for the writersof the Tour de France, the US
(29:48):
Postal Team and Team Discovery.
Some of these writers werepatients of one of these docs
and when he found out about ithe said well, I want one of
those.
So he got one and he playedwith it, took it home, and then
he called up and wanted more,and so I started giving him a
dozen at a time, sometimes twodozen.
(30:08):
And then he called and put inan order and I said I'm going to
be driving to San Diego.
I'd like to at least stop andmeet you.
And so I went there and I askedhim.
I said what do you do withthese things?
And he says, well, we use themourselves, you know, to stay off
the some of the meds, toprevent what we now know as
inflammation in modern healthdisorder, but anyhow.
(30:30):
So I asked him.
I said why don't you give theseto your patients?
Because you know it works Well,it really had great effect on
the writers, because those guysare doing a 22 or 23 day
marathon every day, all day long, and their issue is recovery.
They have to recover, they haveto prevent inflammation in the
bodies, because you don'trecover if you have inflammation
(30:53):
.
But when I asked him how come hedidn't give it to everyone else
, he said and he's a nice guy,and he wasn't demeaning anything
and I'm not demeaning him atall, but he said it's very
simple.
He said I went to school for 12years and I look around.
He said I have this office, Ihave this staff, I have all of
these people and he said I'vegot a wife that's married to a
(31:15):
doctor.
Those were his exact words.
But anyhow, he said I can'ttell people to go home and get
well for free.
I have to do my tests, I haveto do all the things I do.
And to do my tests I have to doall the things I do, and a lot
of people they need medicalattention, medical care and
medical guidance.
So I'm not trying to interferewith any of that.
(31:36):
But they knew the significanthealth benefits of it.
And he said we can't just tellpeople to go home and take their
shoes off and get well, becauseit does have such a profound
effect on the cardiovascularsystem, because cardiovascular
disease is an inflammation.
It's an inflammatory healthdisorder.
It doesn't exist in nature andwe have lots of docs and lots of
(31:56):
nurse practitioners, lots ofpeople who suggested that you
ought to try for certain peoplebecause there's not much you can
do for certain diseases.
There's a point where itbecomes more palliative care and
to be able to ground thesepeople and reduce their pain,
even though they can't recommendit because it's not blessed by
the medical world, ama and so on.
(32:17):
But I did call the FDA one timewhen I first started on this and
I said I want to know what allthe rules are, because this is
something that affects health.
And I explained it and he saidwell, they kind of understand
what I was talking about.
But he says we do not regulatenatural phenomena.
This is a natural phenomenon.
This is not something youbottle up and put it in packages
(32:38):
and ship it around andwholesale it and sell it.
This is something that isavailable to every person on the
planet and it's free, isavailable to every person on the
planet and it's free If you canfind a spot of bare earth or
dirt or grass that you can spendtime on, and for a long time.
I just called this poor man'smedicine.
You don't have to do anything.
(33:00):
I mean, whatever's wrong withyou.
If you have something wrong,please don't even think about it
.
Go to a doc to have the test.
But for inflammation-relatedhealth disorders whether it's
lupus, ms, any of those kinds ofhealth disorders just go
outdoors, put your feet on theearth for 15 to 30 minutes and
notice what happens, and if it'sgood, then do it twice a day.
(33:25):
If it's really good, then do itmore often.
Lose the shoes.
Don't wear them in the house.
Don't wear shoes ever at all ifyou don't have to.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
You've written a book and produced documentaries,
including the Earthing Movie,the Remarkable Science of
Grounding, and you've got somebig celebrity names promoting
earthing for health.
Author and actress MurielHemingway is a huge proponent of
the movement, especially forits effects on mental health.
Why do you think that earthingis gaining so much popularity
(33:56):
among the celebrity crowd?
Speaker 2 (33:58):
Well, first of all, it works.
These people are all stressed.
If you think of an athlete,like you know, like the baseball
players, football players,whatever I mean, they're high
output, energy, I mean, and theyhave lots of information
because they have to maintainmuscle tone and have to work out
.
They have to do all thesethings.
(34:18):
Actresses are the same actorsand actresses and performers
like Sting or any of thesepeople who are putting out all
this energy and they're on touror they're doing this or
whatever, they have to recoverevery night.
Recovery is the name of thegame.
You're only going to stay inthe game as long as you can
(34:40):
recover.
When we started grounding theTour de France and talking about
recovery, then all of a sudden,a lot of high-profile actors,
actresses I would say that mostelite athletes and the baseball
players, Half of them usegrounding, A lot of the sports
(35:03):
teams, but the actors andactresses, they all go to
similar type docs as theathletes.
And when I started groundingmatured to France, all of a
sudden all the other docsstarted to find out about it.
The docs who take care of thesekind of people found out about
it.
And then I started getting allthese calls and they said well,
you know, other people are doingit.
(35:24):
I got to do it and I got to doit now.
But earthing took off all byitself.
We've never known how to marketit, because this is more of a
research and development companyEarth Effects Inc.
And the Earthing Institute iswhere all this stuff is
deposited all the studies andeverything.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
Let's talk a little bit about your company, earth FX
.
Not everyone lives in a placeor has the time to get outside
barefoot, so your company hasdeveloped products that can give
people the earthing experienceand benefits inside their homes,
cars or offices.
Yes, how was it that you cameto start manufacturing products
(36:07):
for earthing?
Speaker 2 (36:09):
I never in my life ever thought that I would be in
the business of creatingproducts.
But anyhow, along the way, whenwe started doing studies, we
would bring people in who hadnot necessarily health disorders
, but just to be able to groundthem for a period and then draw
blood before and afterwards ordo biofeedback or just all of
the things that we did After wedid the studies.
The people who were groundedall wanted to keep the devices
(36:32):
that we were using to groundthem during this test period.
The reason is because it madepain go away in 15 to 30 minutes
.
So, anyhow, we started givingthem the test units and then all
of a sudden they start comingback and wanting one for their
mom or one for their grandma anddaughter or whatever.
(36:53):
But that little universe.
And then all of a sudden wedidn't have any scraps, didn't
have enough product or anything.
So we sat down one day and dayand we said, okay, what is one
thing we can do that we canproduce so that people, when
they leave here or learn aboutit, they can at least for the
people who can't get groundedany other way they can at least
do this.
And so the first thing thathappened, we were working in one
(37:15):
of our facilities and we hadthese conductive mats thin black
conductive mats laying on ourbenches so we could put
electronic parts on it and nothave any static electricity harm
them.
So, anyhow, we looked at themattress and said, well, the
best thing we can possibly do,without creating something they
(37:36):
have to do every day, is createa mat that they can sleep on.
They have to put it on theirmattress, cover it up with the
sheet if they want, and lay downand do what they always do
every single night Just comehome, lay down, go to sleep and
let nature put out the fire ofinflammation and help them
recover.
And then we started giving themaway.
And then, all of a sudden, itwas too big, so we had to start
(37:57):
buying stuff.
And then we started giving themaway.
And then, all of a sudden, itwas too big, so we had to start
buying stuff.
And then we started sellingthem and we sold them for.
So, anyhow, this, over a periodof 20 years, is now a business
that goes around the world.
It's kind of that kind of athing People learn about it and
they share it.
You can't sell it because theydon't believe you or don't
(38:17):
understand what you're talkingabout unless you experience it,
or you trust somebody, or you dosomething that somebody's
telling you to do.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
Well, unfortunately we're out of time to talk about
all of the amazing earthingproducts you offer, including
the mattress pads, shoes, yogamats and more, but listeners can
visit your website atearthingcom to see the full
product list and I'm surethey'll be glad they did.
Clint, thank you so much forbeing here.
(38:47):
It was so nice talking with youSame here, and hopefully we'll
get to talk again at some pointsoon.
Take care.
Speaker 2 (38:56):
You bet.
Thank you, take care.
Speaker 1 (38:57):
Listeners.
You can learn more about ClintOber Earthing the products that
can help you heal, and ClintOber's book Earthing the most
important health discovery everby visiting wwwearthingcom.
And thank you so much forlistening to the award-winning
Better Wellness Podcast.
(39:18):
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