November 15, 2024 • 17 mins
Moving into his first management role revealed to Preston that leadership isn’t just about giving orders—it’s about understanding people. This episode is a masterclass on building cohesive teams, resolving conflicts, and achieving shared goals by leveraging emotional intelligence. Listeners will learn how to adapt leadership approaches to individual personalities and align team goals, making it perfect for aspiring and current leaders aiming to master people management.
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(00:00):
Coming up on this episode of theHealthy, Wealthy and Wise podcast.
Okay.
And I would advise anyone, you know,if you have kids and if your kids,
you know, are in sports or have anytype of skill or, or if they play
music or if there's anything, I wouldsuggest that they really help them
(00:20):
to be successful in that skill or.
Or technique or whatever that they'redoing, because you never know how
that can help them down the line,not just with getting into getting
into his particular school or
welcome to the healthy, wealthy,and wise podcast with Dr.
William T.
Choctaw, MD, JD, this podcast willprovide you with tools and actionable
(00:44):
information you can use to help live amore healthy, wealthy, and wise life.
It's powered by the over 50 yearsof medical experience of this.
medical school trained surgeon who isalso a western state law school trained
attorney with executive experience beinga former mayor of walnut california
(01:05):
as well as the current chairman ofthe non profit servants arms and
as president of chaka medical groupincorporated this is the leadership
masterclass edition already in progress
Welcome, ladies and gentlemen,to our next episode of the
Healthy, Wealthy and Wise podcast.
(01:25):
We are absolutely delighted tohave one of our unique leaders.
And we indeed view this podcast as anoffshoot of the Leadership Masterclass.
And one of the things that we try todo on a regular basis is have leaders
in different levels of leadershipand have them to stop by and share
(01:46):
their words of wisdom with us.
Uh, we are absolutely Uh,thrilled, uh, to have, uh, Mr.
Preston Choctaw.
Now you may say, wait asecond, wait a second, Choctaw?
And
I would say, yes, you heard that right.
(02:07):
Uh, he is indeed one of my progeny.
And we will, we will have him, uh, to tellus about himself, but welcome Preston.
Welcome to the Healthy,Wealthy and Wise podcast.
Well, thank you very much.
Very glad to be here.
Glad to be here.
Give us your thoughts about leadershipand what has been your experience over,
(02:30):
uh, your, your, uh, lifespan, uh, in termsof, uh, what you think leadership is and,
and how you've been involved with it.
Yeah.
Um, so, you know, it's, it's, it's kindof funny actually, because I, I never, you
know, growing up, uh, and when you have,say, you know, parents and when you have
(02:54):
a, You know, a father who's, who's alwaystalked about leadership and talked about,
you know, what it is to be a leader andyou're a leader and this, this and this.
Um, you know, I, I didn't reallyunderstand what that really meant.
You know, what is it, you know, isit just that you just, you know, take
the first step or you just tell peoplewhat to do or, or, you know, what,
(03:16):
what exactly does that, does that mean?
Um, and, uh, I would say my first, myfirst starting, when I started to really
understand or at least have a conceptof what it is was through sports, you
know, a lot of kids start playing, youknow, different, you know, sports and
my sport was, was soccer, or I'll sayit still is soccer, um, and, um, there
(03:41):
are a variety of times, whereas, uh,because of, I would say my, my Tenacity
of how I played on the field when I firststarted playing, even though I wasn't, I
didn't, I never considered myself really,like, really, really good when I first
started, but, you know, I had a drive.
I had a motivation.
I had.
(04:02):
You know, I was, I was short.
So I was too, too short toreally be good at basketball.
I was too light to be reallythat good at football, but for
soccer, I can, I can be fat.
I will.
So I can run.
Um, but, and I was aggressive.
Um, and as I began to keep playing,I started to understand that, you
(04:22):
know, the other players on thefield, my teammates, they started
to look, look to me for guidance.
Mm-Hmm.
. Um, and I, I didn't understandwhat that was at first.
I didn't understand whythat was, but they they did.
Yes.
So then I began to look at, okay,well then how can I guide them?
How, how can I help them?
(04:43):
Right?
And there were different thingsthat I did for myself, like I would.
Um, there are many times where I wouldgo in like my backyard or go to the
park with just a soccer ball and I wouldjust work on stuff and I would just
keep working and working and workinguntil I could master certain skills.
And then when my teammates would cometo me for guidance about, Hey, Preston,
what do you think we should do here?
What do you think we should do there?
(05:03):
Um, you know, I would look at my ownexperiences on the field, I would look
at the type of work that I've doneindividually, and then I would kind of
combine those together and come up withsome sort of a plan, like, Oh, hey, so,
you know, since you're good at this,maybe you should go, you know, on this
left side and then watch this guy who'scoming down the right flank, because he
(05:24):
tends to do this, or, or be careful ofthis side because he tends to do that.
So, what I began to understand was, um,being able to observe how others are, and
then, and others, I mean, my teammates,and then I mean, then also the, the
opposition, and then myself, uh, andthen kind of put together a, I guess, a
(05:49):
strategy or a plan for then how, how wemove forward on, on the soccer field.
So, um, you know, that was just mejust doing it because, you know,
Hey, you know, they're asking mea question about how I can help.
I'm like, okay, great.
You know, this, this is how I can help.
Okay.
So you fast forward a little bit, youfast forward, you know, throughout, you
(06:13):
know, playing soccer and all that jazz.
And then you get into, you know,myself in the professional realm.
You know, I'm getting into my firstreal job as a service coordinator at the
regional center of Orange County, whichis basically, I was a case manager, like,
like a social worker, almost for, um,Uh, uh, individual, individuals who had,
(06:37):
uh, developmental, uh, uh, disabilities.
Okay.
So I, I would help manage theircase, making sure they got services.
I would meet with their parents and wewould have like these group meetings with,
you know, the county and all that stuff.
And we would try to make sure that,that, that, that, that they were
set up with the services and thethings that they, that they need.
(06:58):
Okay.
Um, so that was my first real job.
And in that real, in that job, youknow, You know, I was coming in with
the mindset of, Oh, you know, I mean,this is, this is nice, you know, I'm,
I'm finally getting some money, right.
Cause I'm working 40 hours aweek, you know, I'm on my own.
I'm living with roommates,you know, everything's great.
(07:19):
It's fun.
Um, but then, As I begin to understandthat, you know what, um, there's,
there's a barrier for me to go further.
And that barrier was that, youknow, one, of course I didn't have
the experience because I was stilllearning, but two, um, when I had gotten
(07:40):
this job, I, I had a bachelor's andhaving a bachelor's degree is great.
I mean, I think probably most, I mean,I think that's kind of like one of the.
Fundamentals of when you're fromhigh school, and you do all the
basic requisites, and then when youget into the professional realm, you
(08:03):
know, the bachelor's part, that reallysets you aside from others, because
now you've gone that you get your
bachelor's?
Oh, uh, University of California, Irvine.
UC Irvine.
Okay.
Yes.
Yes.
Uh, which was a fantastic experience.
Um, and, and also it, it, it helpedthat I, I, I had my quote unquote
(08:26):
tenacity on the soccer field helpedme to be able to, to go to UC Irvine
cause I ended up playing, playing soccerthere for the first two, two years.
Okay.
And I would advise anyone.
You know, if you have kids, and if yourkids, you know, are in sports, or have
any type of skill, or, or if they playmusic, or if there's anything, I would
(08:47):
suggest that they really help them to besuccessful in that skill, or whatever.
Yeah.
Or technique or whatever that they'redoing, because you never know how
that can help them down the line,not just with getting into getting
into a particular school or it, butit also give them certain skills,
(09:08):
skill sets, how to work hard, how topractice, how to have determination.
Dedication, all that stuffmatters because then that stuff
bolsters you in, in, in your life.
You know, when you started having thatjob, you know, you know, if you, if you
were a band major and you're playingthe trumpet all the time and you're
(09:30):
practicing, you know, you know, fivehours after you come home from school
or whatever, when you get yourselfthat job, you're going to know, Hey,
look, you know, I know that if Iwork hard, like I did hitting that.
But five hours after work, I mean,five hours after school, if I put that
dedication into my job, you know, Icould be really, really successful there.
(09:53):
So, um, the, the, the fact of youputting in the extra work, that's
what, Doing extra extracurricularactivities does for you.
Got it, got it.
So, so anyway, I, I digress.
Um, that's okay.
That's okay.
No, that's good.
I'm, I'm kind of taking, take, takingus along a journey, so That's all right.
We, we, we'll just followyou, you right along.
(10:14):
Keep going on the journey.
I'll, I'll keep on going.
Keep on
going.
It's your journey.
It's all good.
, no.
Um, uh, so, so yeah.
So what I was talking about it.
Yeah, the regional center, whichwas a great experience, mind you,
and I will put a plug out there.
You know, people withdevelopmental disabilities, um,
(10:36):
we need to make sure that they havethe services that they need to live
the lives that they want to live.
Okay.
We, we don't, we shouldn't.
You know, think of them as different.
We need to think of them as,uh, as people who have their own
aspirations and their own goals.
And we need to understand what thosegoals are and help them to achieve those.
Yes.
Just want to put that plug in there.
(10:57):
Okay.
I completely
agree.
Yeah.
Okay.
Okay.
Fair enough.
Uh, so what I realized though, isthat, um, as a service coordinator,
Um, uh, I was only going to go sofar with my career, so I decided
to, to, to go to graduate school.
So I ended up going to graduate school,uh, getting, uh, uh, getting a dual, a
(11:22):
dual master's, uh, master's in socialwork and a master's in public health.
Um, uh, and what that did was, with thatadditional education, what that did was,
um, was that Uh, I learned a certainset of skills by doing both of those.
What were those skills that you learned?
(11:44):
Well, one, um, I learned, youknow, how to be responsible.
. Okay, that's a good skill.
Make a plain and simple.
Um, I learned that, um, uh, when I'msupposed to do something and when I have.
A deadline to do it.
Yes, I need to make sure that I getthat done, but even beyond that, I
(12:05):
need to make sure I'm preparing forthat, you know, maybe a week to two
weeks to three weeks ahead of the time.
Uh, ahead of time.
So
you learn time managementlearned plan among other things?
Yes.
Okay, got it.
Time
management and how to plan everything out.
And I also learned thatwhen you do that, you know.
One, it relieves stress becauseyou wait until you know, going on,
(12:28):
it's, it's going to stress you out.
And then, and then also once you doproduce what you're producing, it's
not going to be that good eitherbecause you're, you're already stressed
out in a way and you don't haveenough time to really make it good.
But if you plan it out, then say, if youhave something to do, like, like three
weeks before something else is due.
If you.
Okay.
Thanks.
Have it basically done by thefirst week, then those rest of
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those two weeks are just fine.
Fine tuning, making sureit's as good as it can be.
Even you can reach out to yourprofessor or whomever and say,
Oh, Hey, I have this done already.
Can you please look at this and tellme if this is what you're looking for?
You know, that, that type of stuff thatI learned, that has been essential for,
(13:10):
for me in my professional life because,because that's how I operate now.
When I have something that's due, say, aweek from now, I'm really trying to get
it done, you know, two, like, two, threedays in, and then I'm trying to get it
over to my supervisor for them to review,you know, and then get other input by
people, so by the time I get it actuallyofficially done, I would have kind of
(13:35):
covered all my bases and making sure thatit's everything that it's supposed to be.
So that is, that's kind of thatskill set that the real essential
skill set that I learned.
Um, but, um, but we're talkingabout leadership, right?
So, so let me get back into.
(13:55):
So, I'm going to fast, fast, fast forward.
We'll press the fast forward button.
Okay.
Okay.
We'll zip through a couple of years.
Okay.
Uh, and we'll get to the point, um,of, um, I was working for, um, a, uh,
a managed care company and managedcare means that, uh, we were basically,
(14:17):
um, basically an insurance company.
Okay.
Um, uh, and.
I had the opportunity of movinginto a management position.
It was my first management, realofficial management position in my career
that
I ever had.
And what was the difference betweenwhen you got that management position as
(14:40):
compared to your other career experiences?
So, uh, I will tell you, um, I'vealways thought that, you know, As
someone who's worked under managers, ofcourse, and you work with supervisors,
you know, it can't be that hard.
(15:02):
You know, I mean, look, I'mseeing what they're doing.
I mean, come on.
All you do is just kind oftell people what to do for
a little bit here and there.
You know, you kind of look, youlook at what you're supposed to
turn in and then you turn that in.
But, you know, it can't be that hard.
You know, um, And of course youcan already tell what the punchline
(15:25):
is, like, man, it was hard, man.
It was real hard.
And the part that's hard isit's never about the work.
Okay.
Hardest part about managementis always the people.
And it's not that, and it's not that, um,uh, you know, it's not that people are
bad or what it is is you, you have a goal.
(15:53):
And your job as a manager for the mostpart is to make sure that everyone
else is kind of rowing in the samedirection to get to that goal.
So your key thing is getting everyonerowing in the same direction.
And, but people are not, you know,it's not, uh, uh, what's the word?
Um, uh.
Monolithic.
(16:13):
It's not like everyone's not all the same.
No, no one is, uh, homo homogeneous.
You know what I'm saying?
Right, right.
I understand.
Like everyone is different andeveryone has their own individual
goals and everyone are, are workingthere for a different reason.
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Okay.
And I would advise anyone, you know,if you have kids and if your kids,
you know, are in sports or have anytype of skill or, or if they play
music or if there's anything, I wouldsuggest that they really help them
(00:20):
to be successful in that skill or.
Or technique or whatever that they'redoing, because you never know how
that can help them down the line,not just with getting into getting
into his particular school or
welcome to the healthy, wealthy,and wise podcast with Dr.
William T.
Choctaw, MD, JD, this podcast willprovide you with tools and actionable
(00:44):
information you can use to help live amore healthy, wealthy, and wise life.
It's powered by the over 50 yearsof medical experience of this.
medical school trained surgeon who isalso a western state law school trained
attorney with executive experience beinga former mayor of walnut california
(01:05):
as well as the current chairman ofthe non profit servants arms and
as president of chaka medical groupincorporated this is the leadership
masterclass edition already in progress
Welcome, ladies and gentlemen,to our next episode of the
Healthy, Wealthy and Wise podcast.
(01:25):
We are absolutely delighted tohave one of our unique leaders.
And we indeed view this podcast as anoffshoot of the Leadership Masterclass.
And one of the things that we try todo on a regular basis is have leaders
in different levels of leadershipand have them to stop by and share
(01:46):
their words of wisdom with us.
Uh, we are absolutely Uh,thrilled, uh, to have, uh, Mr.
Preston Choctaw.
Now you may say, wait asecond, wait a second, Choctaw?
And
I would say, yes, you heard that right.
(02:07):
Uh, he is indeed one of my progeny.
And we will, we will have him, uh, to tellus about himself, but welcome Preston.
Welcome to the Healthy,Wealthy and Wise podcast.
Well, thank you very much.
Very glad to be here.
Glad to be here.
Give us your thoughts about leadershipand what has been your experience over,
(02:30):
uh, your, your, uh, lifespan, uh, in termsof, uh, what you think leadership is and,
and how you've been involved with it.
Yeah.
Um, so, you know, it's, it's, it's kindof funny actually, because I, I never, you
know, growing up, uh, and when you have,say, you know, parents and when you have
(02:54):
a, You know, a father who's, who's alwaystalked about leadership and talked about,
you know, what it is to be a leader andyou're a leader and this, this and this.
Um, you know, I, I didn't reallyunderstand what that really meant.
You know, what is it, you know, isit just that you just, you know, take
the first step or you just tell peoplewhat to do or, or, you know, what,
(03:16):
what exactly does that, does that mean?
Um, and, uh, I would say my first, myfirst starting, when I started to really
understand or at least have a conceptof what it is was through sports, you
know, a lot of kids start playing, youknow, different, you know, sports and
my sport was, was soccer, or I'll sayit still is soccer, um, and, um, there
(03:41):
are a variety of times, whereas, uh,because of, I would say my, my Tenacity
of how I played on the field when I firststarted playing, even though I wasn't, I
didn't, I never considered myself really,like, really, really good when I first
started, but, you know, I had a drive.
I had a motivation.
I had.
(04:02):
You know, I was, I was short.
So I was too, too short toreally be good at basketball.
I was too light to be reallythat good at football, but for
soccer, I can, I can be fat.
I will.
So I can run.
Um, but, and I was aggressive.
Um, and as I began to keep playing,I started to understand that, you
(04:22):
know, the other players on thefield, my teammates, they started
to look, look to me for guidance.
Mm-Hmm.
. Um, and I, I didn't understandwhat that was at first.
I didn't understand whythat was, but they they did.
Yes.
So then I began to look at, okay,well then how can I guide them?
How, how can I help them?
(04:43):
Right?
And there were different thingsthat I did for myself, like I would.
Um, there are many times where I wouldgo in like my backyard or go to the
park with just a soccer ball and I wouldjust work on stuff and I would just
keep working and working and workinguntil I could master certain skills.
And then when my teammates would cometo me for guidance about, Hey, Preston,
what do you think we should do here?
What do you think we should do there?
(05:03):
Um, you know, I would look at my ownexperiences on the field, I would look
at the type of work that I've doneindividually, and then I would kind of
combine those together and come up withsome sort of a plan, like, Oh, hey, so,
you know, since you're good at this,maybe you should go, you know, on this
left side and then watch this guy who'scoming down the right flank, because he
(05:24):
tends to do this, or, or be careful ofthis side because he tends to do that.
So, what I began to understand was, um,being able to observe how others are, and
then, and others, I mean, my teammates,and then I mean, then also the, the
opposition, and then myself, uh, andthen kind of put together a, I guess, a
(05:49):
strategy or a plan for then how, how wemove forward on, on the soccer field.
So, um, you know, that was just mejust doing it because, you know,
Hey, you know, they're asking mea question about how I can help.
I'm like, okay, great.
You know, this, this is how I can help.
Okay.
So you fast forward a little bit, youfast forward, you know, throughout, you
(06:13):
know, playing soccer and all that jazz.
And then you get into, you know,myself in the professional realm.
You know, I'm getting into my firstreal job as a service coordinator at the
regional center of Orange County, whichis basically, I was a case manager, like,
like a social worker, almost for, um,Uh, uh, individual, individuals who had,
(06:37):
uh, developmental, uh, uh, disabilities.
Okay.
So I, I would help manage theircase, making sure they got services.
I would meet with their parents and wewould have like these group meetings with,
you know, the county and all that stuff.
And we would try to make sure that,that, that, that, that they were
set up with the services and thethings that they, that they need.
(06:58):
Okay.
Um, so that was my first real job.
And in that real, in that job, youknow, You know, I was coming in with
the mindset of, Oh, you know, I mean,this is, this is nice, you know, I'm,
I'm finally getting some money, right.
Cause I'm working 40 hours aweek, you know, I'm on my own.
I'm living with roommates,you know, everything's great.
(07:19):
It's fun.
Um, but then, As I begin to understandthat, you know what, um, there's,
there's a barrier for me to go further.
And that barrier was that, youknow, one, of course I didn't have
the experience because I was stilllearning, but two, um, when I had gotten
(07:40):
this job, I, I had a bachelor's andhaving a bachelor's degree is great.
I mean, I think probably most, I mean,I think that's kind of like one of the.
Fundamentals of when you're fromhigh school, and you do all the
basic requisites, and then when youget into the professional realm, you
(08:03):
know, the bachelor's part, that reallysets you aside from others, because
now you've gone that you get your
bachelor's?
Oh, uh, University of California, Irvine.
UC Irvine.
Okay.
Yes.
Yes.
Uh, which was a fantastic experience.
Um, and, and also it, it, it helpedthat I, I, I had my quote unquote
(08:26):
tenacity on the soccer field helpedme to be able to, to go to UC Irvine
cause I ended up playing, playing soccerthere for the first two, two years.
Okay.
And I would advise anyone.
You know, if you have kids, and if yourkids, you know, are in sports, or have
any type of skill, or, or if they playmusic, or if there's anything, I would
(08:47):
suggest that they really help them to besuccessful in that skill, or whatever.
Yeah.
Or technique or whatever that they'redoing, because you never know how
that can help them down the line,not just with getting into getting
into a particular school or it, butit also give them certain skills,
(09:08):
skill sets, how to work hard, how topractice, how to have determination.
Dedication, all that stuffmatters because then that stuff
bolsters you in, in, in your life.
You know, when you started having thatjob, you know, you know, if you, if you
were a band major and you're playingthe trumpet all the time and you're
(09:30):
practicing, you know, you know, fivehours after you come home from school
or whatever, when you get yourselfthat job, you're going to know, Hey,
look, you know, I know that if Iwork hard, like I did hitting that.
But five hours after work, I mean,five hours after school, if I put that
dedication into my job, you know, Icould be really, really successful there.
(09:53):
So, um, the, the, the fact of youputting in the extra work, that's
what, Doing extra extracurricularactivities does for you.
Got it, got it.
So, so anyway, I, I digress.
Um, that's okay.
That's okay.
No, that's good.
I'm, I'm kind of taking, take, takingus along a journey, so That's all right.
We, we, we'll just followyou, you right along.
(10:14):
Keep going on the journey.
I'll, I'll keep on going.
Keep on
going.
It's your journey.
It's all good.
, no.
Um, uh, so, so yeah.
So what I was talking about it.
Yeah, the regional center, whichwas a great experience, mind you,
and I will put a plug out there.
You know, people withdevelopmental disabilities, um,
(10:36):
we need to make sure that they havethe services that they need to live
the lives that they want to live.
Okay.
We, we don't, we shouldn't.
You know, think of them as different.
We need to think of them as,uh, as people who have their own
aspirations and their own goals.
And we need to understand what thosegoals are and help them to achieve those.
Yes.
Just want to put that plug in there.
(10:57):
Okay.
I completely
agree.
Yeah.
Okay.
Okay.
Fair enough.
Uh, so what I realized though, isthat, um, as a service coordinator,
Um, uh, I was only going to go sofar with my career, so I decided
to, to, to go to graduate school.
So I ended up going to graduate school,uh, getting, uh, uh, getting a dual, a
(11:22):
dual master's, uh, master's in socialwork and a master's in public health.
Um, uh, and what that did was, with thatadditional education, what that did was,
um, was that Uh, I learned a certainset of skills by doing both of those.
What were those skills that you learned?
(11:44):
Well, one, um, I learned, youknow, how to be responsible.
. Okay, that's a good skill.
Make a plain and simple.
Um, I learned that, um, uh, when I'msupposed to do something and when I have.
A deadline to do it.
Yes, I need to make sure that I getthat done, but even beyond that, I
(12:05):
need to make sure I'm preparing forthat, you know, maybe a week to two
weeks to three weeks ahead of the time.
Uh, ahead of time.
So
you learn time managementlearned plan among other things?
Yes.
Okay, got it.
Time
management and how to plan everything out.
And I also learned thatwhen you do that, you know.
One, it relieves stress becauseyou wait until you know, going on,
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it's, it's going to stress you out.
And then, and then also once you doproduce what you're producing, it's
not going to be that good eitherbecause you're, you're already stressed
out in a way and you don't haveenough time to really make it good.
But if you plan it out, then say, if youhave something to do, like, like three
weeks before something else is due.
If you.
Okay.
Thanks.
Have it basically done by thefirst week, then those rest of
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those two weeks are just fine.
Fine tuning, making sureit's as good as it can be.
Even you can reach out to yourprofessor or whomever and say,
Oh, Hey, I have this done already.
Can you please look at this and tellme if this is what you're looking for?
You know, that, that type of stuff thatI learned, that has been essential for,
(13:10):
for me in my professional life because,because that's how I operate now.
When I have something that's due, say, aweek from now, I'm really trying to get
it done, you know, two, like, two, threedays in, and then I'm trying to get it
over to my supervisor for them to review,you know, and then get other input by
people, so by the time I get it actuallyofficially done, I would have kind of
(13:35):
covered all my bases and making sure thatit's everything that it's supposed to be.
So that is, that's kind of thatskill set that the real essential
skill set that I learned.
Um, but, um, but we're talkingabout leadership, right?
So, so let me get back into.
(13:55):
So, I'm going to fast, fast, fast forward.
We'll press the fast forward button.
Okay.
Okay.
We'll zip through a couple of years.
Okay.
Uh, and we'll get to the point, um,of, um, I was working for, um, a, uh,
a managed care company and managedcare means that, uh, we were basically,
(14:17):
um, basically an insurance company.
Okay.
Um, uh, and.
I had the opportunity of movinginto a management position.
It was my first management, realofficial management position in my career
that
I ever had.
And what was the difference betweenwhen you got that management position as
(14:40):
compared to your other career experiences?
So, uh, I will tell you, um, I'vealways thought that, you know, As
someone who's worked under managers, ofcourse, and you work with supervisors,
you know, it can't be that hard.
(15:02):
You know, I mean, look, I'mseeing what they're doing.
I mean, come on.
All you do is just kind oftell people what to do for
a little bit here and there.
You know, you kind of look, youlook at what you're supposed to
turn in and then you turn that in.
But, you know, it can't be that hard.
You know, um, And of course youcan already tell what the punchline
(15:25):
is, like, man, it was hard, man.
It was real hard.
And the part that's hard isit's never about the work.
Okay.
Hardest part about managementis always the people.
And it's not that, and it's not that, um,uh, you know, it's not that people are
bad or what it is is you, you have a goal.
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And your job as a manager for the mostpart is to make sure that everyone
else is kind of rowing in the samedirection to get to that goal.
So your key thing is getting everyonerowing in the same direction.
And, but people are not, you know,it's not, uh, uh, what's the word?
Um, uh.
Monolithic.
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It's not like everyone's not all the same.
No, no one is, uh, homo homogeneous.
You know what I'm saying?
Right, right.
I understand.
Like everyone is different andeveryone has their own individual
goals and everyone are, are workingthere for a different reason.
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