April 11, 2025 • 48 mins
Discover the transformative world of healing as we sit down with the extraordinary Heathir Brown, a master of blending craniosacral therapy, Reiki, and sound healing. Heather shares fascinating insights into connecting with what she calls the "soul spark," and how she tailors her sessions to each client's unique needs. From soothing a frazzled nervous system to reclaiming depleted energy, Heathir’s compassionate methods create a safe haven for holistic healing. Her unique approach even extends to ancestral healing, where she senses the supportive presence of ancestors, lifting burdens and fostering deep emotional relief.
Uncover how the integration of craniosacral therapy and Reiki forms a powerful duo, bringing balance to the energy body—especially vital for those in caregiving roles. Listen as Heathir, and I share personal stories of how these practices have reshaped our understanding of energy work, making it accessible and relatable. We unravel societal misconceptions about energy healing, illustrating its transformative potential through real client experiences and everyday applications that might just spark your interest in exploring these modalities.
In moments of crisis, the strength of a community shines brightly. Heathir's dedication to providing free healing sessions for disaster victims highlights the incredible power of collective support and kindness. From sound baths to simple acts of everyday generosity, we explore how communities come together, offering solace and healing. As the episode winds down, we reflect on the simple joys of relaxation and companionship, leaving listeners with a warm reminder of the small moments that weave joy and healing into our lives.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hi, this is Demetria Clark and this is the Heart of
Herbs Herbal School Podcast, andtoday we are talking with
someone who's really inspiringto me and when I say that, that
means that one.
I just think she's an inspiringhuman being, but also, whenever
I see any of her social mediaor the way she talks about
healing, it makes me want to flyto California and get a session
(00:28):
with her, because it's the waythat she blends things and the
way that you can just feel herintention and her integrity when
she's working is just soinspiring.
So today we're talking toHeather Brown and she is going
to tell us about her uniqueblending of healing practices to
(00:51):
make well, why don't you takeit away?
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Yeah, absolutely so.
I have several modalities andsometimes when people say, what
do you do, it's a really trickyquestion because it's if I name
the practice that I do or themodality I'm going to be like
explaining for a really longtime.
But the core of what I do istuning in with my client to
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their inner wisdom, that youknow, if you want to call it a
higher self, but that part ofthem that's just always been
like there, like that soul spark, and getting the guidance from
that of where do we need to goin this healing journey.
And so for that I blend incraniosacral therapy, that I
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blend in craniosacral therapywhich I'll explain what that is
Reiki and then some soundhealing, and so I'm using
instruments, I'm using touch,we're working with the physical
body, the energy body andeverybody.
Each session, even with the sameperson, will be completely
different because what they areready for and need on one day
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might be different than anotherday, and so we're tuning into
that.
And the type of healing reallydepends again on where they're
at on their journey and whatthey need.
So for some people they mightjust have a very dysregulated
nervous system, be superstressed out, maybe have some
chronic pain and they're goingto need more holding and
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gentleness and just feeling safe.
And maybe they've never feltsafe before, and so that might
be where we start, where someoneelse.
Maybe they just broke up withsomebody and they want their
energy back and they're notfeeling like themselves anymore
and that's going to be a moreactive session.
And then a beautiful thing thatstarted evolving over the past
(02:49):
year actually was ancestralhealing, and this was something
where I really will feel theenergy of their ancestors coming
in and helping lift heavythings that they've been
carrying, and so it's been likeI didn't even know that was
possible, and then there it ishappening, and that's kind of
how this whole journey that I'vebeen on has gone of.
(03:11):
Like I learned a modality andI'm like, okay, I'm doing the
thing, and then I'm like, oh,but what's that?
What's this other thing I feel?
And so it's just, I don't know.
It's very interesting, like tome, like I get excited about,
you know, transformation andpeople, and you know, dimitri, I
started off in birth work,which transition was my favorite
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part of labor every time.
So I'm like, well, this makessense.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Yeah, I think it's funny because I think that you
touched on something that Ithink is really important.
It's like, I think, withhealing well one the first thing
you said about sometimes that'slike the first time you can
help someone feel safe, right,whoa, that's incredible,
(03:59):
especially right now, I think alot of people are trying to
figure out where their safetynet is in the world, so the fact
that that you can work on thatwith someone just is completely
mind blowing and I love that.
But then, another thing that Iwas just thinking when you were
saying that is that themodalities sometimes call to you
(04:21):
.
It's like I know for myself,like I didn't like set off,
being like hey, when I grow up,I'm going to work with herbs or
whatever, right, it was justlike they kept slapping me in
the face and then that was likeoh okay, you don't really have a
choice, right.
But I think that it's.
It's just cool that if I feellike, as I've watched your
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career progress, I feel like, asI've watched your career
progress from the outside, it'slike these forms of healing like
are scooping you in and I feellike you're one of these rare
people that has the kind ofenergy that really facilitates
healing.
Does that make sense, like youknow?
So I just love that you are,you know, talking about that.
(05:04):
So what is craniosacral therapy?
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Yeah, so craniosacral therapy is working with the
craniosacral system, which isfrom the occipital, the back of
the head, the bone of the backof the head and, you know,
cranium.
So we've got our head, that'sthe cranial part.
And then all the way down thespine to the sacrum and in that
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we've got the nervous system andwe've got cerebral spinal fluid
flowing and so the craniosacralrhythm is the movement of the
cerebral spinal fluid and in,let's say, someone who's a
healthy, adult person, it has acertain rhythm to it and it's
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flowing and in the body you willnotice, if you put, you can
palpate it.
It's very, very, very subtle,but it is there.
You could palpate your own, ifyou even like are listening,
palpate it.
It's very, very, very subtle,but it is there.
You could palpate your own, ifyou even, like, are listening
and you want to put your handson your thighs and kind of feel
along the spine.
It's going to be kind of anupward, downward motion and then
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in the limbs they're going torotate out to the side.
So like your arms are going torotate out to the side and I'm
obviously exaggerating If youare watching the video part your
legs are going to rotate out tothe side.
So when you're palpating it onyour legs you're feeling a
slight rotation and that'sthrough the fascia.
So we have the connectivetissue all through our body and
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so when the fascia is holdingany tension it can affect that
craniosacral system because it'skind of pulling.
So it'd be like if we had atablecloth and I like set a
heavy rock on part of it, it'sgoing to like affect the rest of
the tablecloth and you couldclose your eyes, probably, and
pull a little bit on thattablecloth and tell me where the
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rock was.
You could be like, oh yeah,it's's over to the left, like I
feel that.
So part of what I'm doing ispalpating the fascia to say
where's that stuckness in thesystem?
And so when the cerebral spinalfluid, when the craniosacral
rhythm is all workingbeautifully, it's nourishing the
central nervous system andhelping that support the rest of
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your body.
So if you look up craniosacral,it'll tell you that it helps so
many different things.
You know, like you're likethat's not possible, like how
could it help autism?
How could it help also chronicpain?
And you know, like all thisother stuff.
And the reason is because it'sit's supporting the central
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nervous system and it's helpingyour body go into a self healing
state.
So the belief is that your bodyis self healing, but sometimes
it needs a little support inorder to do that.
It can get stuck, yeah, so it'sjust, it's so wonderful how it
can do that.
And it's just finding the partsthat are stuck in you like
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maybe it's something emotional,maybe it's something physical,
maybe it's even stress, and thenjust holding that part.
It's a really gentle touchholding and then just inviting
it like hey, did you want to letgo?
And we just follow the tissueso that it's not, it's not
leading.
Like when I'm facilitating, I'mreally just listening, I'm as
neutral as I possibly could be,and then the body just kind of
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unwinds and starts doing it,which is my favorite part about
it.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
So it's like massage from the inside.
Instead of the massagetherapist massaging the person,
the person is massagingthemselves energetically.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Is that?
Speaker 1 (08:43):
what it's more like, for I mean, is that.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Yeah, I mean it's, it's like, it's like it sounds
like it's a release.
It is definitely a release.
Sometimes emotions can come outtoo, and it's just like taking
that part that was storingwhatever heaviness, whether it
was like a physical thing or anemotional thing.
It's like just witnessing it,like hey, what's here right now?
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And so there's an aspect ofcraniosacral therapy called
somato emotional release.
So somato is like justreleasing those emotions in the
body, because the body will say,wow, I'm going through a lot
right now.
I don't have the emotionalcapacity to even figure this out
.
A lot of things like thathappened to us when we were
children and we just didn't knowhow to even tell an adult what
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was going on.
Or they would just say go toyour room.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
You know like I'll give you something to cry about,
yeah you're fine.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
So then the body went okay, well, let me just store
this in the shoulder, Let mejust store this in the lower
back.
And so what you'll find is,when you go and hold those
points, that emotion will comeout and it might not match.
You may even kind of rememberlike, oh, I fell off my bike but
it wasn't that big of a deal,you know, but at the moment you
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at five, it was a huge deal andyou couldn't.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
You were going to die and you couldn't.
You were going to fall guy moderight.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
Exactly, and so for that out of the body, and then
that helps release old storieslike no one's here for me or you
know, I don't matter, and solike there's other stuff tied in
it as well, and that's whyevery session is so different,
because we don't really knowwhat's.
I mean, we know what happenedto us and it's not like we are
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remembering things we didn'tknow happened, but we didn't
think they were that big of adeal sometimes.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Yeah, they might be put them away long enough that
they are not allowed to be a bigdeal anymore.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
Yeah, yeah.
Or you wouldn't believe howmany people start remembering
like their ex boyfriend fromhigh school and they're like who
wasn't very nice and they'relike what I thought it was so
over him.
Why am I thinking about this?
And it's like, well, becauseyou kind of shoved it away and
went oh, okay, here I go again.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
Oh, wow, yeah, I mean I imagine.
So one of the great things, Ithink, is that you, you get to,
you get to witness people goingthrough all of that, but you
also get to witness them comingout on the other side of
something and coming back to youand because this can be
something that is, you know afew sessions, right, like so you
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get to work with people as theygo through it and yeah.
So my other question is a lotof people don't know what Reiki
is, and so how do you combineReiki with this?
I think Reiki is great and Iremember when I was learning
Reiki, I got my sister to takethe class with me and we were
both bawling, just reallybawling at one point, like just
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bawling, and I think likesometimes, um, when you have
like a shared experience withsomeone, right, and then you're
both going through it, it youknow what the other one's
thinking about or feeling, youknow.
So I think, that was, but I'vealways really like that was
always something that remindedme how powerful Reiki is.
(12:13):
You know, as I go through andand you know I would do it with
my kids and stuff like that andand clients sometimes sometimes
but Reiki is really reallypowerful and I don't think I
mean we see more that like um, Ithink it's like Mayo Clinic and
places like that areincorporating Reiki and
therapeutic touch into differentkinds of healing um, you know,
around cancer and stuff likethat.
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But Reiki is something that'sreally powerful and it's always
so weird to me that more peopledon't know what it is Because,
literally, you know, mommas doReiki all day long with their
kids without even thinking aboutit.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
But it's like such a powerful thing.
So can you explain to peoplehow you use Reiki in your
practice and what Reiki is foryou?
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Yeah, absolutely so.
For me, when I started doingthe craniosacral, I was feeling
other things that were not beingdiscussed in my craniosacral
classes.
So I was feeling energy, body,basically, and we were talking
about, you know, the fascia, thetissue and the cranial bones,
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and those are great.
But I was like, yeah, butwhat's this other thing?
Like, what is that?
And so then I had a partnerthat I was in the class with who
started doing some Reiki duringthe cranial treatment, and then
he was like, oh, sorry, I knowwe're not supposed to be doing
that.
And I was like, no, no, no wait, what was that called?
Because I didn't, you know, andI'd heard the term Reiki.
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But I just was like oh, I don'tknow what that is, like I'm not
paying attention to it, andagain it kind of called to me
like hey, you're feeling thisand here it is, and this is what
it's called.
And so for me, the way that Iuse it now is if I'm doing
distance work with someone, likeif I was tuning in with you now
, like Reiki doesn't care ifwe're in the same room or not,
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and so I would start using thatto listen to your inner wisdom,
to tune in, to see what's goingon.
I'm like trying to stop myselfright now, because when I talk
about it I immediately like butand then in person, if I have,
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like I was saying, we kind ofhold the body and in the
craniosacral and I'm feelinginto what's going on, and I
might feel something that's alittle stuck and I feel the body
wants to move.
It wants to move it, but itjust kind of can't, and it might
be that the person is just sodepleted Like, especially if I
work with people who are likecaregivers, kind people who just
give everything to everybodyelse, I will feel into their
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energy, body, and so this iswhere, like, we've got our
physical body and then we've gotour energy body and you know
they are intertwined, but forthe sake of this conversation
we'll separate them.
And so, feeling into the energybody, they're so depleted I'm
like no wonder your body can'tdo what it needs to do.
You have just given like I'mfeeling your energy, going out
to your kids and going out toyour clients and going out till
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you know, like the whole entireworld and everywhere but you,
and so that's where starting tofill it with reiki, which is is
this universal energy.
We all have access to it.
If you talk to some trainers,they will say you need to be
attuned in order to connect toit.
I'm going to tell you thatthat's like teaching you how to
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use your radio.
You could connect to it anytime, you probably already are and
the attunement is more liketeaching you how to feel it, how
to sense it, how to notice it,and just like amplifying that
awareness.
But it's a universal energythat's always available.
You can call it in and thenit's like just kind of cranks up
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the volume on whatever you needand it follows your intention.
So if my intention is to givethis person a little boost of
energy because they're reallydepleted, I'll start with that,
and then I'll notice that, oh,the tissues are moving in my
hands now because they have alittle extra energy, and then
the next step of that would becalling their own energy back to
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them, because that's reallywhat they need.
But I teach my clients how toyou know Reiki themselves, and
it's it's really like anybodycan do it.
You just wherever, if you'reyou know, if you think about,
like if your kid fell and hittheir knee, you might put your
hands on their knee and comfortthem right, like you bandage it
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up and you put your hands thereLike that's Reiki.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
It's, you know, sending love to your kids from
afar.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
That's yeah, exactly, kids are off at college.
I'm like, oh yeah, that's right, I send them Reiki.
I like send Reiki into theirapartment, like.
But it's, it's this universalenergy that is available, it's
this like pure, loving energy.
There's nothing like tangled upand bad about it, you know, and
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I think it's not really thatmysterious.
It's just it's that in oursociety we don't talk about the
energy body, like we're like, ohyeah, like we sing the head,
shoulders, knees and toes, likewe've got a physical body, and
we don't talk about the energybody.
But it's there too, and soReiki is a way and it's, it's
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really fun.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
We make fun of the energy body you know like oh
good.
Vibes.
Or you know we make fun of youknow our culture has a long
history of making fun of.
You know our culture has a longhistory of making fun of people
acknowledging the energy aroundthem you know, yeah, um, you
see it in tv shows and books andairy fairy.
(17:48):
You know we make fun of that,so it's really interesting that
to me, that you know, sayingthat you know and acknowledging
that to people like we've allgot it know, this isn't this
isn't some unique thing thatonly the certain chosen few have
the force, you know?
Speaker 2 (18:07):
Yeah, no, it's there.
And I think it's like alsothinking about when we're
feeling stressed and overwhelmed, how much of other people's
stuff is in our energy body andlike.
One example that I can think ofwas I had a client who came in
and she was like I am normallythe happiest, most joyful person
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.
That's just my personality,that's who I am, and I am
depressed and I have no reasonwhy I'm depressed and it just
came over me, no reason why I'mdepressed, and it just came over
me.
And when I tuned into herenergy body, I literally like
without making this story superlong I started like see,
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sometimes I'll see images likein my head, like like you're
dreaming, or if I said appleright now, you can imagine an
apple.
So I'm seeing these images andI'm telling her then and we
realize these images are allrelated to her mother-in-law,
who is a very depressed personand who she had been hanging out
with a month before and thenthe depression came.
So she was.
She took that all of hermother-in-law's energy and then
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she was one of those carecaregiving people, so her own
energy wasn't really, it waspretty far out from her body.
So the depression mother-in-lawenergy was.
So we scooped that out, clearedit away and like brought
herself back in and literallylike she texted me like the next
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week.
She's like, oh my gosh, I feelamazing.
I mean, because she felt goodafter she left.
She's like, well, well, let'ssee if this sticks right.
Yeah, yeah, that's always thequestion like was that placebo?
What was that?
And then she's like, no, I feellike me, like yeah, and so she
had to see her mother-in-lawlike six months later.
I know it was, it was it's like,but it just shows like how it's
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like.
If you you aren't feeling likeyou, it might be because you
actually need to clear yourenergy.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Well, it's funny because, as parents, when our
kids are struggling, I think alot of parents pull in that
energy and either they're tryingto figure out what's going on
with their kid or they're justbeing affected by it, whatever
the reason.
And you have to sometimes belike okay, wait a second, I am
not an angsty 16 year old boy.
Yeah, I need to clear it outand figure out what's going on,
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but yeah, I can imagine that, um, there are people in our lives
that can really bust into ourenergy field and really like
mess with us.
Yeah, they're not doing it onpurpose, but you know, it's just
a different kind of personality.
And oh, I'm glad she wasfeeling better week later.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
Yeah, and I think still feeling because she knew
it wasn't her.
She's like this is not me.
She's like I know some peoplejust have, you know, different
moods.
She's like that that's not whoI am and like what's going on.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
She must have felt under attack.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
Yeah, she was just very confused by it.
And then I think her friendlike referred her to me She'd
never heard of, she didn't evenknow what I did.
She's just like my friends hadto come see you, you could help
yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
Well, I mean to be honest that is the best way to
find someone who can help issomeone telling us who loves us
and trust us.
So I can imagine you get a lotof referrals that way.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Because it will happen Like you have.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
Yeah, you have the personality of a safe healing
place to rest.
I can imagine that peoplereally feel that with you.
So my other question is how doyou include sound baths?
I love sound.
You may think it's mostly thesound of my own voice, but I do.
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I do love.
I love music, I love sound,love sound.
I think that music and soundhas more to do with our
happiness and our well-beingthan a lot of things that we
come in contact with, and peopleused to joke that my children
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didn't know what my speakingvoice sounded like, because I
would be like mama's little baby, you know, just all day long,
right and so.
But I think like music is like,so important and sound.
So what is a sound bath?
Speaker 2 (22:28):
yeah, so a sound bath is you're not in the water
although you could be, I guessbut you're usually laying on a
yoga mat, if you think of, likethe end of yoga class, you,
you're laying on your mat,typically, you're laying down
and you're being bathed in soundwaves, basically that vibration
.
And so when I you can do itwith really any instrument, but
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I typically use crystal singingbowls.
So what those are is they arethese bowls that are made out of
quartz, but really it's silicasand.
They're like 99% silica sand.
They get poured into a mold andthey're tuned to certain notes
and those notes actually match.
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If we talk about the energy body, if anyone's familiar with
chakras or you've heard of, like, I've got my root chakra, I've
got my crown chakra, so each ofthose have a note to them.
So your root is a C, your, youknow, your heart is an F, and so
when they're playing the bulls,or when I'm playing the bulls,
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I'm thinking about that as wellas.
So it's like it's less aboutdoes this sound cool and more
about what do I?
What's my goal here?
And so if I'm wanting to relaxsomebody's nervous system, then
you're starting to play aharmony of sounds and just
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really drop somebody in.
And what's really cool is thatthose instruments start to do
some entrainment with the brain.
So the brain is maybe a littlestressed out, the heart beats
maybe fast.
You're coming in from your dayand so as you're laying there,
those bowls are played in a way,and other instruments too.
But usually most people startwith the bowls to start calming
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your nervous system and puttingyour brain into a theta wave
state.
So theta wave is that spacewhere we're kind of almost
asleep, sort of dreamymeditation as a theta wave state
.
So if you're like my mind is sobusy I can't meditate, this
will take you into that state,even if your mind's kind of
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going places, it'll start to.
It'll start to slow and calm,and so that's the magic of those
bowls and there's ways to playit so that you're really
bringing people, you know,dropping them into their body
and then dropping them into that, um, calm, creative space.
That is the theta wave space.
And then, once they're in thatspace, they go down into this
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layer that I like to call thebliss layer.
If you know anything about thekoshas, it's like there's this
layer of bliss and that's whenthey'll start to bring out other
instruments.
So I'll bring out maybe ashaker and I'm also because I,
you know, understand energy andReiki I'm using that during the
sound bath as well to tune in.
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So maybe I'll feel that, oh,this person has like a blockage
at their throat chakra, like Ican just feel it, and so I'll
take a shaker like a littlechime.
I wish I had them with me rightnow, I would use them, but I'm
not at my office today.
But I would shake that maybeover their throat and then
they'll start coughing andyou'll be like, okay, we've
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moved that energy or you know,it could be a blockage maybe
lower.
You know, if you're working withnew moms, maybe it's sacral
that you know womb space and sousing it there, drumming, so I
use a lot of differentinstruments and it's kind of
intuitively what I'm feeling,like, oh, I need like something
sparky or I need something likegrounding and so like the drum
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sometimes can be played reallyquick and, like you know, bring
things up.
But a lot of times if you playit slowly and you really put the
drum right over their body,that whole vibration goes in and
then they're like, oh, I'm safe, like you just get that feeling
or things can release.
So there's there's lots ofdifferent instruments, but it's
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the point of it is that you aretuning into the person who's
laying on the floor what do theyneed today?
And you're playing it for them.
So I'm not coming in with likea set idea of how I'm going to
play it, unless I knew kind ofwhat they were wanting.
Like, if they're wanting to, getinto a creative space versus if
they're wanting to relax theirnervous system.
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But it's not like there's nomusic sheets.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Well, it sounds like it's veryintuitive.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
And then you would like this part because some
people who are not me because myvoice I only sing for myself
and maybe my family, but, likesome people, will sing notes
with the bowls as they play andit sounds like angels singing.
It's like amazing.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
I like to sing.
I didn't say I was good at it,I don't care anymore.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
I used to care.
Now I'm like I don't care, justgive me.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
You know, give me a whiskey and I'll be good.
But I mean, that's awesome.
That sounds so relaxed, okay,so first of all, before I go
into how relaxing it sounds, howdo people contact you?
Speaker 2 (27:38):
How do people contact me?
So I am based in West LA and Ialso do virtual although the
virtual sessions are more energywork than anything and I have a
website that is heatherbrowncom, and Heather is spelled with an
IR, so it's H-E-A-T-H-I-R,browncom, and then on Instagram
(28:03):
I'm just Heather Brown as well,with the IR.
I have to be confusing.
So, yeah, it would be like I doanswer my DMs, as long as
you're not scamming.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
As long as there aren't any pictures, we're good.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
Yeah, I don't want any.
No, no, no.
But yeah.
So Heather Brown on Instagram,and then heatherbrowncom, and I
also do offer like freediscovery calls that do not have
a script.
I hate those, you know, whenyou do the discovery call
they're like I can't.
So the discovery call isliterally just a 15 to 20 minute
(28:41):
call where you can ask mewhatever you want to ask me.
Like I yeah, that's how I do it, cause it's like working in
this kind of way with peoplelike you need a good fit.
Like you know, I used to be adoula.
I always tell people likeinterview like three or four,
like see, we're going to go intothe depths of things.
So for like see, we're gonna gointo the depths of things, so
(29:03):
let's make sure we want to dothat together, and that you know
it's yeah, so anyway, that'show people contact me.
It's just reaching out on mywebsite they can book a
discovery call or on instagram Ilove that and I do that.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
You don't have a scripted discovery.
Call everyone's like oh, you'dmake so much more money if you
did the.
And I'm like I.
I literally can't function thatway.
Hi, my name is.
How can I help you?
I mean, I just can't do it, I'mnot yeah some people do it
really well.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
I just, I just can't, so I yeah, no, and I used to do
like when I was, like incollege, I had a like a sales
job that I did, so I like I knowhow to do that, but I'm like no
, I don't want you to work withme.
If you don't want to work withme, like, let's not do that.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
Like, let's not have a problem from the beginning.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
No, and then I was also gonna say real quick I do
also have a podcast that I onlyhave like five or six episodes
for, because I don't update it,but it's called the impact
playground and it's for highlysensitive people and it's got
guided meditations in it andthere's no ads.
I kind of made it for myclients and then it's on there
(30:11):
for anybody, but it lets youkind of learn how to understand
your own energy body.
So if you're someone who's like, oh I do have my mother in law
and how do I get rid of it, thatpodcast kind of touches on
stuff you can do yourself.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
So, yeah, I'm not saying that's personal, no, but
I think that's so cool.
I didn't know that you had apodcast.
You'll have to make sure yousend us a link so we can put it
in the show bio.
Okay, because I think a lot ofpeople would find that really
(30:49):
helpful.
Now um off to like another kindof subject.
I know that you have been doingdifferent things with groups and
you've been doing things umpost california fires and how
has that work been for you?
That has got got to be reallyhard work, and so first of all,
I want to thank you for doing it, because you know when the when
(31:10):
it hits the fan, it's good toknow there's people who are
there on the healing side.
So I just wanted to say thankyou.
I mean, we have I haverelatives that are out in that
area and friends, and so youknow you always worry about how
people are doing, so it's alwaysnice to know that there's
(31:30):
something good people out thereto help them.
Sorry, I'm going to startblubbering here in a second, so
I'm not going to do that.
So why don't you tell us alittle bit about what you've
been doing in reference to thatkind of work, if you don't mind?
Speaker 2 (31:46):
Yeah, you know, it was like, thankfully I I was
close to where the fire was butI was safe.
I didn't have to evacuate.
I had a go bag but never had touse it, and so I was just kind
of witnessing.
Like I think, when these thingshappen, like the first thought
is like, well, how can I help?
(32:07):
Like what can I do to help?
And I was hearing fromeverybody that, which is of cool
, the centers for volunteering,for, like you know, sorting
donations and things like that.
There was a line out the doorto volunteer.
If you needed help you couldjust go in and that wasn't a
(32:29):
line.
But there were people justwaiting to volunteer and like
getting turned away because theyhad so many and going to
another center and, like someonesaid, they drove around for
like three hours just trying tofigure out where to go to help.
So like I'm hearing that andgoing like, okay, so that's,
that's covered, right.
And then it's like well, youknow, I have a specific set of
(32:51):
skills that can be helpful andin this situation, and it's not
those immediate needs obviouslywe have our hierarchy of needs
and like, but the food and theshelter and the clothing, like
all those things were gettingtaken care of.
Um, thankfully, I mean la,stepped up.
Like it was incredible how thepeople just kind of like just
(33:12):
took care of each other.
Um, that was beautiful.
And so I had this thought oflike, okay, well, I could do
sessions for people who've losttheir home and like, again, we,
if we go back to what we talkedabout earlier, of like whatever
stress and things that you'regoing through that you don't
have time to like move store inthe body.
(33:33):
And so my thought was like Ican't, you know, fix everything,
because obviously they're stillgoing through this crisis, but
if we can move some of it out oftheir body, it's going to make
it a little easier for them tolike file their insurance
paperwork and do the things theyhave to do.
And so so I've had a few peoplewho've come in who have lost
their home, and I'm just doingfree sessions for them, like
(33:55):
about an hour long.
And then the other piece was Iwas like I want to do something
for the community, like thatanybody could come.
And so I am part of a groupthat's on.
It's like a Facebook group,like West Side Ladies.
It's a free group.
And I was talking to the ladyBrandy Culver who runs that, and
(34:19):
I was like you know, I can do asound bath, but like I don't
know where to do it because myoffice is really small I can
only fit like six people max.
And so she was she's likecommunity organizer.
So she was like I'm going tofigure this out.
So she found a coffee shop thatwas like in Santa Monica or
Venice and kind of around there,and basically they gave us a
(34:42):
free space to use when theircoffee shop closed for the night
and we did, they just openedthe doors and people could come
in and we did a sound bath.
And again it was like justanybody who wanted to come could
come.
And the idea around the soundbath, my intention was just like
regulating the nervous systemand letting people just release
whatever they needed to releaseif they needed to cry during the
(35:02):
sound bath, that they needed tofall asleep or just however
they needed to be, and just Ithink it was really beautiful
because at the end, like itwasn't just about the sound bath
, it was all these people goingthrough this collective
experience.
Some of them had lost theirhomes, some of them just had
been through all the you knowalerts for the last week and the
(35:22):
fear of maybe I'm evacuating,maybe not, and afterwards I was
just like just turn and you know, say hi to your neighbor, and
they ended up just chatting toeach other Like they didn't even
know each other, and theneverybody was talking and just
like having little conversations, of connection, and I think
that in those times, you know,we're all in our homes and we're
(35:43):
like so isolated or we might beonline, but I think there's a
lot of like just fear dumpingonline, and this was like you're
sitting with a person who cansee you and like you can just
really be however you are.
And I think that was one of theperson who can see you and like
you can just really be howeveryou are.
And I think that was one of thepieces.
And so from that, I did anothersound bath.
That was at a hotel that somepeople who had evacuated were
(36:05):
staying and we um, one of myclients knew them.
They were like families whoactually lived in the Palisades
and like went to a school, andso she knew them from that
community.
So I'm just, I think it's justmy way of volunteering because
I'm like I have the skill, Ihave the time.
Let me just do something, andit's not going to fix all of it,
(36:28):
but if I can move out some ofthat stress out of their body,
it's just going to, like longterm, you know, make them not be
like, oh, why do I feel sick,like next year or whatever, you
know, yeah, and I think it wasjust beautiful that it wasn't
just me doing that.
Right, like there were otherhealers stepping up, like
(36:49):
everyone was kind of whateverskill they had, like showing up
with it, and if anyone'slistening to this, and they did
lose their home, like I'm notputting an expiration date on
that, so if they reach out to me, like we can do a session
whenever they're ready, cause Iknow some people were like not
ready to go get on a table anddo that kind of thing.
They're just doing survival,especially if they have little
(37:12):
kids, you know.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
Yeah, survival, especially if you have little
kids, you know, yeah, survival,survival, yeah yeah, wow.
Well, I do know that one of thethings that's really incredible
about human beings is that ifwe choose, we can really show up
for each other.
We really can, regardless ofwhat, what is out there online.
(37:35):
We we definitely can, we canshow up for each other and I
love that.
I mean, when I saw that youwere doing that kind of stuff, I
mean first of all I was like,of course, she is like that's
just you, right, um, and I don'tknow if that's like the doula
on you or the you that becamethe doula, like whatever you
(37:56):
know, like, but but but I dothink that I do think it's
inspiring, I think it'sbeautiful, I think it's kind and
I think we need a lot morekindness in the world.
I think we need a lot morepeople who focus on being kind
(38:16):
and I love that that you wereable to, you know, do that with
your community.
I don't know if that makes anysense.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
It does make sense.
It does make sense and I thinkit's like it's easy to think
that the world's not kind if welook at certain things and I
think what, especially like LA,has this like reputation of like
everyone's out for themselvesand they're in it for you know,
like, and when you know thingshit the fan.
(38:48):
That wasn't the case.
Everybody would.
I mean, maybe maybe some ofthem were taking some selfies
while they were volunteering.
I don't know, know, but like butthey were doing it, they were
showing up they were helping andI think like, yeah, like the
kindness I also feel, like a lotof people are like oh well, I
don't know how to help, and Ithink really, that was this
(39:09):
feeling of what could I do, whatcould I do, and with everybody,
like we can just tune into,like what do you love to do?
What lights you up?
Like maybe you love to bake,maybe you love to, like you know
, sing.
Speaker 1 (39:21):
Because they're always welcome, right or
whatever yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:24):
Yeah, cause there's like thing can be a helpful
thing and just sharing thatkindness, cause I think some of
it isn't even about like howmuch did that help.
Like maybe you bake like somemuffins and bring them to
somebody who's going through ahard time, like that means a lot
, just to oh my gosh, you caredenough about me to like think
about baking me muffins.
You know like it's just it'seasy to do and it's easy to
(39:49):
think.
It doesn't matter too.
You know like yeah yeah, butit's I don't know.
But yeah, we definitely needeverybody to show up.
Be kind, yeah.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
I agree.
I remember.
So when the flooding happenedin North Carolina, my oldest son
went and he was doing some ofthe volunteer stuff, some of the
volunteer stuff, and he wassaying that a lot of it was
people.
You know, people weren'tthinking about what needs to be
(40:22):
done, it was more like oh, I'llbring a bunch of my used clothes
, you know, and he's like, andthey're turning stuff like that
away.
And then he said that he'snoticed the conversation was
changing from the very beginningwhen he went out towards like.
You know, a few weeks later, youknow, it was more like so what
are you good at?
Like, what tools can you use,like, so even even the people
(40:44):
who are trying to coordinatethings were trying to find, like
your special.
You like what?
Yeah, you know.
And so I think if you go intoit like, okay, I can, I can bake
1000 muffins, you know.
I can do that with my you know,my eyes shut, or I'm really
good at, you know, doing wash,you know.
So I'll volunteer to help andwash my neighbor's clothes or
(41:06):
whatever you know.
I think that that's somethingthat we can be mindful of when
we go into those situations.
Not, you know, what am I goodat and situations not you know,
what am I good at?
And and am I good at just doingwhat I'm asked?
So if you're not going to beable to do the job, then don't
don't go, don't don't take, andthat sounds so mean, that's not
(41:34):
what I'm trying to say, but umyeah.
I think you understand what I'mtrying to say.
Yeah, yeah, check your ego.
You don't need to save anybody.
Get in there and you know digholes if you've got to.
Speaker 2 (41:46):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, because it's like,
yeah, and maybe the thing thatyou have isn't needed yet, but
you also can do this other thingand and yeah, I get what you're
saying.
Speaker 1 (41:57):
Yeah, no, it wasn't doing a very good job describing
it, so thank you forunderstanding.
Yeah, so do you have any eventsor anything planned for this
coming year, or are you justgonna work so I, things are
happening and I don't know whatthey are yet and that's kind of
(42:18):
exciting.
Speaker 2 (42:18):
So in my whole thing of just kind of going down the
rabbit hole of oh what's this,oh what's that Is, I have some
new things that I'm learning andso I'm going to probably start
some virtual offerings for those.
But I'm actually learning.
I'm becoming a Kundaliniactivation facilitator.
(42:41):
So that's a whole otherconversation, but it's comes
down to we all have this innateintelligent energy within us.
Everybody does and it's aboutsending kind of like, amplifying
that and awakening that in avery gentle way.
So sometimes Kundalini soundslike whoa, this is, this is a
(43:03):
softer version of it, but it'sreally beautiful at just
clearing out the old and it'susually the sessions can be held
online on zoom and you'relistening to music and you're
laying in your space and you'rejust moving and crying and doing
whatever you need to do.
And so I'm in the middle ofthat right now.
(43:24):
So that will be coming outprobably this summer, but I'm
just letting it organicallyunfold.
I'm going through the trainingright now.
So I'm I'm going through all ofthe, all of the clearing.
Oh cool, it's been veryinteresting.
I'm like laughing one day,crying the next just moving a
lot of stuff.
Speaker 1 (43:44):
I deal with that too, but I think it's perimenopause.
There's that as well, you know.
Speaker 2 (43:49):
What's interesting, though, is when I've learned
about the Kundalini and evenlike, sometimes the energy will
like burn up like a hot flash,like a lot of it matches the
symptoms of perimenopause, whichmakes me very curious, because
they say that it starts toawaken when you're older and I'm
like so are we all justclearing?
(44:09):
I don't know.
Um, I'm liking that.
That'll be a whole otherconversation later, but it's
something I've been pondering.
Speaker 1 (44:17):
All right, we'll have to have you on when you're
doing that, so you can sharemore of that with us?
Speaker 2 (44:24):
Yeah, so I have that coming up, but for now mostly
I'm just working one-to-one withpeople, and sometimes it's a
one-off session, sometimes it'smore like you know, six sessions
.
I'm doing a little bit ofmentorship for people who kind
of are wanting to blend theirhealing modalities, but it's all
like it's not a one size fitsall.
(44:45):
It's kind of like we hop on adiscovery call, we figure out
what we want to do, or we do asession and then we say, okay,
now what?
Speaker 1 (44:51):
So, yeah, oh, I love that.
How cool.
Well, thank you so much forbeing here.
Now it's heatherbrowncomH-E-A-T-H-I-R-B-R-O-W-N.
Everybody, that is how you canconnect with Heather.
Definitely do so.
Um, there's, there are peopleout there who, um, have skills
(45:20):
and have all this education, andthen there's people like
Heather who have the skills,have the education, but also has
the right intent and energy,and I would be like totally at
her office on a regular basis inCalifornia because of just,
(45:43):
you've got some like common jujuabout you.
You know, you're just, I don'tknow how to say it, but anyways,
so definitely check Heather out.
Thank you so much for beinghere today.
Thank you, really appreciate ittoday.
Speaker 2 (45:56):
Thank you for having me Really appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (45:58):
And guys, listen, I fell asleep in the tub and I was
late to our call and my hair isstill wet, so that tells you
what a professional I am.
And Heather was so kind to me.
I was like 15 minutes late.
I was like, oh my gosh, she'sgoing to think I'm such a flake.
I just just I don't know.
(46:18):
The tub was warm, it's a reallygood bath it was.
I was just like, and then I waslike oh my gosh, I almost never
do that, so it was really.
It was perfect, though, becauseit was you, because you can
just your being, can make peoplefeel safe and relaxed, so I was
anticipating feeling, feelingnice and comfy.
(46:40):
You're just like warming up forit.
Speaker 2 (46:47):
You're like okay, let me just you know I had some
music on.
I was like, anyway, that soundsgreat.
I mean, you know it's a, it'sit's a Saturday, so like, or
well, today that we're recordingit.
Speaker 1 (46:54):
So I think it's like that's kind of vibe for that
anyway.
Speaker 2 (46:56):
So like or today that we're recording it.
So I think it's like that'skind of the vibe for that anyway
, so yes definitely, definitely,so.
Speaker 1 (47:01):
Thank you so much for being with us today.
I really appreciate it.
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (47:06):
Thanks for having me.
This was so fun.
All right, you have a great day, thanks.
Speaker 1 (47:10):
Okay, bye.
Hi, this is Demetria Clark and this is the Heart of
Herbs Herbal School Podcast, andtoday we are talking with
someone who's really inspiringto me and when I say that, that
means that one.
I just think she's an inspiringhuman being, but also, whenever
I see any of her social mediaor the way she talks about
healing, it makes me want to flyto California and get a session
(00:28):
with her, because it's the waythat she blends things and the
way that you can just feel herintention and her integrity when
she's working is just soinspiring.
So today we're talking toHeather Brown and she is going
to tell us about her uniqueblending of healing practices to
(00:51):
make well, why don't you takeit away?
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Yeah, absolutely so.
I have several modalities andsometimes when people say, what
do you do, it's a really trickyquestion because it's if I name
the practice that I do or themodality I'm going to be like
explaining for a really longtime.
But the core of what I do istuning in with my client to
(01:20):
their inner wisdom, that youknow, if you want to call it a
higher self, but that part ofthem that's just always been
like there, like that soul spark, and getting the guidance from
that of where do we need to goin this healing journey.
And so for that I blend incraniosacral therapy, that I
(01:42):
blend in craniosacral therapywhich I'll explain what that is
Reiki and then some soundhealing, and so I'm using
instruments, I'm using touch,we're working with the physical
body, the energy body andeverybody.
Each session, even with the sameperson, will be completely
different because what they areready for and need on one day
(02:05):
might be different than anotherday, and so we're tuning into
that.
And the type of healing reallydepends again on where they're
at on their journey and whatthey need.
So for some people they mightjust have a very dysregulated
nervous system, be superstressed out, maybe have some
chronic pain and they're goingto need more holding and
(02:26):
gentleness and just feeling safe.
And maybe they've never feltsafe before, and so that might
be where we start, where someoneelse.
Maybe they just broke up withsomebody and they want their
energy back and they're notfeeling like themselves anymore
and that's going to be a moreactive session.
And then a beautiful thing thatstarted evolving over the past
(02:49):
year actually was ancestralhealing, and this was something
where I really will feel theenergy of their ancestors coming
in and helping lift heavythings that they've been
carrying, and so it's been likeI didn't even know that was
possible, and then there it ishappening, and that's kind of
how this whole journey that I'vebeen on has gone of.
(03:11):
Like I learned a modality andI'm like, okay, I'm doing the
thing, and then I'm like, oh,but what's that?
What's this other thing I feel?
And so it's just, I don't know.
It's very interesting, like tome, like I get excited about,
you know, transformation andpeople, and you know, dimitri, I
started off in birth work,which transition was my favorite
(03:34):
part of labor every time.
So I'm like, well, this makessense.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Yeah, I think it's funny because I think that you
touched on something that Ithink is really important.
It's like, I think, withhealing well one the first thing
you said about sometimes that'slike the first time you can
help someone feel safe, right,whoa, that's incredible,
(03:59):
especially right now, I think alot of people are trying to
figure out where their safetynet is in the world, so the fact
that that you can work on thatwith someone just is completely
mind blowing and I love that.
But then, another thing that Iwas just thinking when you were
saying that is that themodalities sometimes call to you
(04:21):
.
It's like I know for myself,like I didn't like set off,
being like hey, when I grow up,I'm going to work with herbs or
whatever, right, it was justlike they kept slapping me in
the face and then that was likeoh okay, you don't really have a
choice, right.
But I think that it's.
It's just cool that if I feellike, as I've watched your
(04:42):
career progress, I feel like, asI've watched your career
progress from the outside, it'slike these forms of healing like
are scooping you in and I feellike you're one of these rare
people that has the kind ofenergy that really facilitates
healing.
Does that make sense, like youknow?
So I just love that you are,you know, talking about that.
(05:04):
So what is craniosacral therapy?
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Yeah, so craniosacral therapy is working with the
craniosacral system, which isfrom the occipital, the back of
the head, the bone of the backof the head and, you know,
cranium.
So we've got our head, that'sthe cranial part.
And then all the way down thespine to the sacrum and in that
(05:34):
we've got the nervous system andwe've got cerebral spinal fluid
flowing and so the craniosacralrhythm is the movement of the
cerebral spinal fluid and in,let's say, someone who's a
healthy, adult person, it has acertain rhythm to it and it's
(05:55):
flowing and in the body you willnotice, if you put, you can
palpate it.
It's very, very, very subtle,but it is there.
You could palpate your own, ifyou even like are listening,
palpate it.
It's very, very, very subtle,but it is there.
You could palpate your own, ifyou even, like, are listening
and you want to put your handson your thighs and kind of feel
along the spine.
It's going to be kind of anupward, downward motion and then
(06:18):
in the limbs they're going torotate out to the side.
So like your arms are going torotate out to the side and I'm
obviously exaggerating If youare watching the video part your
legs are going to rotate out tothe side.
So when you're palpating it onyour legs you're feeling a
slight rotation and that'sthrough the fascia.
So we have the connectivetissue all through our body and
(06:39):
so when the fascia is holdingany tension it can affect that
craniosacral system because it'skind of pulling.
So it'd be like if we had atablecloth and I like set a
heavy rock on part of it, it'sgoing to like affect the rest of
the tablecloth and you couldclose your eyes, probably, and
pull a little bit on thattablecloth and tell me where the
(07:01):
rock was.
You could be like, oh yeah,it's's over to the left, like I
feel that.
So part of what I'm doing ispalpating the fascia to say
where's that stuckness in thesystem?
And so when the cerebral spinalfluid, when the craniosacral
rhythm is all workingbeautifully, it's nourishing the
central nervous system andhelping that support the rest of
(07:23):
your body.
So if you look up craniosacral,it'll tell you that it helps so
many different things.
You know, like you're likethat's not possible, like how
could it help autism?
How could it help also chronicpain?
And you know, like all thisother stuff.
And the reason is because it'sit's supporting the central
(07:44):
nervous system and it's helpingyour body go into a self healing
state.
So the belief is that your bodyis self healing, but sometimes
it needs a little support inorder to do that.
It can get stuck, yeah, so it'sjust, it's so wonderful how it
can do that.
And it's just finding the partsthat are stuck in you like
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maybe it's something emotional,maybe it's something physical,
maybe it's even stress, and thenjust holding that part.
It's a really gentle touchholding and then just inviting
it like hey, did you want to letgo?
And we just follow the tissueso that it's not, it's not
leading.
Like when I'm facilitating, I'mreally just listening, I'm as
neutral as I possibly could be,and then the body just kind of
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unwinds and starts doing it,which is my favorite part about
it.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
So it's like massage from the inside.
Instead of the massagetherapist massaging the person,
the person is massagingthemselves energetically.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Is that?
Speaker 1 (08:43):
what it's more like, for I mean, is that.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Yeah, I mean it's, it's like, it's like it sounds
like it's a release.
It is definitely a release.
Sometimes emotions can come outtoo, and it's just like taking
that part that was storingwhatever heaviness, whether it
was like a physical thing or anemotional thing.
It's like just witnessing it,like hey, what's here right now?
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And so there's an aspect ofcraniosacral therapy called
somato emotional release.
So somato is like justreleasing those emotions in the
body, because the body will say,wow, I'm going through a lot
right now.
I don't have the emotionalcapacity to even figure this out
.
A lot of things like thathappened to us when we were
children and we just didn't knowhow to even tell an adult what
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was going on.
Or they would just say go toyour room.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
You know like I'll give you something to cry about,
yeah you're fine.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
So then the body went okay, well, let me just store
this in the shoulder, Let mejust store this in the lower
back.
And so what you'll find is,when you go and hold those
points, that emotion will comeout and it might not match.
You may even kind of rememberlike, oh, I fell off my bike but
it wasn't that big of a deal,you know, but at the moment you
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at five, it was a huge deal andyou couldn't.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
You were going to die and you couldn't.
You were going to fall guy moderight.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
Exactly, and so for that out of the body, and then
that helps release old storieslike no one's here for me or you
know, I don't matter, and solike there's other stuff tied in
it as well, and that's whyevery session is so different,
because we don't really knowwhat's.
I mean, we know what happenedto us and it's not like we are
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remembering things we didn'tknow happened, but we didn't
think they were that big of adeal sometimes.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Yeah, they might be put them away long enough that
they are not allowed to be a bigdeal anymore.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
Yeah, yeah.
Or you wouldn't believe howmany people start remembering
like their ex boyfriend fromhigh school and they're like who
wasn't very nice and they'relike what I thought it was so
over him.
Why am I thinking about this?
And it's like, well, becauseyou kind of shoved it away and
went oh, okay, here I go again.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
Oh, wow, yeah, I mean I imagine.
So one of the great things, Ithink, is that you, you get to,
you get to witness people goingthrough all of that, but you
also get to witness them comingout on the other side of
something and coming back to youand because this can be
something that is, you know afew sessions, right, like so you
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get to work with people as theygo through it and yeah.
So my other question is a lotof people don't know what Reiki
is, and so how do you combineReiki with this?
I think Reiki is great and Iremember when I was learning
Reiki, I got my sister to takethe class with me and we were
both bawling, just reallybawling at one point, like just
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bawling, and I think likesometimes, um, when you have
like a shared experience withsomeone, right, and then you're
both going through it, it youknow what the other one's
thinking about or feeling, youknow.
So I think, that was, but I'vealways really like that was
always something that remindedme how powerful Reiki is.
(12:13):
You know, as I go through andand you know I would do it with
my kids and stuff like that andand clients sometimes sometimes
but Reiki is really reallypowerful and I don't think I
mean we see more that like um, Ithink it's like Mayo Clinic and
places like that areincorporating Reiki and
therapeutic touch into differentkinds of healing um, you know,
around cancer and stuff likethat.
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But Reiki is something that'sreally powerful and it's always
so weird to me that more peopledon't know what it is Because,
literally, you know, mommas doReiki all day long with their
kids without even thinking aboutit.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
But it's like such a powerful thing.
So can you explain to peoplehow you use Reiki in your
practice and what Reiki is foryou?
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Yeah, absolutely so.
For me, when I started doingthe craniosacral, I was feeling
other things that were not beingdiscussed in my craniosacral
classes.
So I was feeling energy, body,basically, and we were talking
about, you know, the fascia, thetissue and the cranial bones,
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and those are great.
But I was like, yeah, butwhat's this other thing?
Like, what is that?
And so then I had a partnerthat I was in the class with who
started doing some Reiki duringthe cranial treatment, and then
he was like, oh, sorry, I knowwe're not supposed to be doing
that.
And I was like, no, no, no wait, what was that called?
Because I didn't, you know, andI'd heard the term Reiki.
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But I just was like oh, I don'tknow what that is, like I'm not
paying attention to it, andagain it kind of called to me
like hey, you're feeling thisand here it is, and this is what
it's called.
And so for me, the way that Iuse it now is if I'm doing
distance work with someone, likeif I was tuning in with you now
, like Reiki doesn't care ifwe're in the same room or not,
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and so I would start using thatto listen to your inner wisdom,
to tune in, to see what's goingon.
I'm like trying to stop myselfright now, because when I talk
about it I immediately like butand then in person, if I have,
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like I was saying, we kind ofhold the body and in the
craniosacral and I'm feelinginto what's going on, and I
might feel something that's alittle stuck and I feel the body
wants to move.
It wants to move it, but itjust kind of can't, and it might
be that the person is just sodepleted Like, especially if I
work with people who are likecaregivers, kind people who just
give everything to everybodyelse, I will feel into their
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energy, body, and so this iswhere, like, we've got our
physical body and then we've gotour energy body and you know
they are intertwined, but forthe sake of this conversation
we'll separate them.
And so, feeling into the energybody, they're so depleted I'm
like no wonder your body can'tdo what it needs to do.
You have just given like I'mfeeling your energy, going out
to your kids and going out toyour clients and going out till
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you know, like the whole entireworld and everywhere but you,
and so that's where starting tofill it with reiki, which is is
this universal energy.
We all have access to it.
If you talk to some trainers,they will say you need to be
attuned in order to connect toit.
I'm going to tell you thatthat's like teaching you how to
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use your radio.
You could connect to it anytime, you probably already are and
the attunement is more liketeaching you how to feel it, how
to sense it, how to notice it,and just like amplifying that
awareness.
But it's a universal energythat's always available.
You can call it in and thenit's like just kind of cranks up
(15:54):
the volume on whatever you needand it follows your intention.
So if my intention is to givethis person a little boost of
energy because they're reallydepleted, I'll start with that,
and then I'll notice that, oh,the tissues are moving in my
hands now because they have alittle extra energy, and then
the next step of that would becalling their own energy back to
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them, because that's reallywhat they need.
But I teach my clients how toyou know Reiki themselves, and
it's it's really like anybodycan do it.
You just wherever, if you'reyou know, if you think about,
like if your kid fell and hittheir knee, you might put your
hands on their knee and comfortthem right, like you bandage it
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up and you put your hands thereLike that's Reiki.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
It's, you know, sending love to your kids from
afar.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
That's yeah, exactly, kids are off at college.
I'm like, oh yeah, that's right, I send them Reiki.
I like send Reiki into theirapartment, like.
But it's, it's this universalenergy that is available, it's
this like pure, loving energy.
There's nothing like tangled upand bad about it, you know, and
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I think it's not really thatmysterious.
It's just it's that in oursociety we don't talk about the
energy body, like we're like, ohyeah, like we sing the head,
shoulders, knees and toes, likewe've got a physical body, and
we don't talk about the energybody.
But it's there too, and soReiki is a way and it's, it's
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really fun.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
We make fun of the energy body you know like oh
good.
Vibes.
Or you know we make fun of youknow our culture has a long
history of making fun of.
You know our culture has a longhistory of making fun of people
acknowledging the energy aroundthem you know, yeah, um, you
see it in tv shows and books andairy fairy.
(17:48):
You know we make fun of that,so it's really interesting that
to me, that you know, sayingthat you know and acknowledging
that to people like we've allgot it know, this isn't this
isn't some unique thing thatonly the certain chosen few have
the force, you know?
Speaker 2 (18:07):
Yeah, no, it's there.
And I think it's like alsothinking about when we're
feeling stressed and overwhelmed, how much of other people's
stuff is in our energy body andlike.
One example that I can think ofwas I had a client who came in
and she was like I am normallythe happiest, most joyful person
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.
That's just my personality,that's who I am, and I am
depressed and I have no reasonwhy I'm depressed and it just
came over me, no reason why I'mdepressed, and it just came over
me.
And when I tuned into herenergy body, I literally like
without making this story superlong I started like see,
(18:50):
sometimes I'll see images likein my head, like like you're
dreaming, or if I said appleright now, you can imagine an
apple.
So I'm seeing these images andI'm telling her then and we
realize these images are allrelated to her mother-in-law,
who is a very depressed personand who she had been hanging out
with a month before and thenthe depression came.
So she was.
She took that all of hermother-in-law's energy and then
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she was one of those carecaregiving people, so her own
energy wasn't really, it waspretty far out from her body.
So the depression mother-in-lawenergy was.
So we scooped that out, clearedit away and like brought
herself back in and literallylike she texted me like the next
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week.
She's like, oh my gosh, I feelamazing.
I mean, because she felt goodafter she left.
She's like, well, well, let'ssee if this sticks right.
Yeah, yeah, that's always thequestion like was that placebo?
What was that?
And then she's like, no, I feellike me, like yeah, and so she
had to see her mother-in-lawlike six months later.
I know it was, it was it's like,but it just shows like how it's
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like.
If you you aren't feeling likeyou, it might be because you
actually need to clear yourenergy.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Well, it's funny because, as parents, when our
kids are struggling, I think alot of parents pull in that
energy and either they're tryingto figure out what's going on
with their kid or they're justbeing affected by it, whatever
the reason.
And you have to sometimes belike okay, wait a second, I am
not an angsty 16 year old boy.
Yeah, I need to clear it outand figure out what's going on,
(20:30):
but yeah, I can imagine that, um, there are people in our lives
that can really bust into ourenergy field and really like
mess with us.
Yeah, they're not doing it onpurpose, but you know, it's just
a different kind of personality.
And oh, I'm glad she wasfeeling better week later.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
Yeah, and I think still feeling because she knew
it wasn't her.
She's like this is not me.
She's like I know some peoplejust have, you know, different
moods.
She's like that that's not whoI am and like what's going on.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
She must have felt under attack.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
Yeah, she was just very confused by it.
And then I think her friendlike referred her to me She'd
never heard of, she didn't evenknow what I did.
She's just like my friends hadto come see you, you could help
yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
Well, I mean to be honest that is the best way to
find someone who can help issomeone telling us who loves us
and trust us.
So I can imagine you get a lotof referrals that way.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Because it will happen Like you have.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
Yeah, you have the personality of a safe healing
place to rest.
I can imagine that peoplereally feel that with you.
So my other question is how doyou include sound baths?
I love sound.
You may think it's mostly thesound of my own voice, but I do.
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I do love.
I love music, I love sound,love sound.
I think that music and soundhas more to do with our
happiness and our well-beingthan a lot of things that we
come in contact with, and peopleused to joke that my children
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didn't know what my speakingvoice sounded like, because I
would be like mama's little baby, you know, just all day long,
right and so.
But I think like music is like,so important and sound.
So what is a sound bath?
Speaker 2 (22:28):
yeah, so a sound bath is you're not in the water
although you could be, I guessbut you're usually laying on a
yoga mat, if you think of, likethe end of yoga class, you,
you're laying on your mat,typically, you're laying down
and you're being bathed in soundwaves, basically that vibration
.
And so when I you can do itwith really any instrument, but
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I typically use crystal singingbowls.
So what those are is they arethese bowls that are made out of
quartz, but really it's silicasand.
They're like 99% silica sand.
They get poured into a mold andthey're tuned to certain notes
and those notes actually match.
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If we talk about the energy body, if anyone's familiar with
chakras or you've heard of, like, I've got my root chakra, I've
got my crown chakra, so each ofthose have a note to them.
So your root is a C, your, youknow, your heart is an F, and so
when they're playing the bulls,or when I'm playing the bulls,
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I'm thinking about that as wellas.
So it's like it's less aboutdoes this sound cool and more
about what do I?
What's my goal here?
And so if I'm wanting to relaxsomebody's nervous system, then
you're starting to play aharmony of sounds and just
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really drop somebody in.
And what's really cool is thatthose instruments start to do
some entrainment with the brain.
So the brain is maybe a littlestressed out, the heart beats
maybe fast.
You're coming in from your dayand so as you're laying there,
those bowls are played in a way,and other instruments too.
But usually most people startwith the bowls to start calming
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your nervous system and puttingyour brain into a theta wave
state.
So theta wave is that spacewhere we're kind of almost
asleep, sort of dreamymeditation as a theta wave state
.
So if you're like my mind is sobusy I can't meditate, this
will take you into that state,even if your mind's kind of
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going places, it'll start to.
It'll start to slow and calm,and so that's the magic of those
bowls and there's ways to playit so that you're really
bringing people, you know,dropping them into their body
and then dropping them into that, um, calm, creative space.
That is the theta wave space.
And then, once they're in thatspace, they go down into this
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layer that I like to call thebliss layer.
If you know anything about thekoshas, it's like there's this
layer of bliss and that's whenthey'll start to bring out other
instruments.
So I'll bring out maybe ashaker and I'm also because I,
you know, understand energy andReiki I'm using that during the
sound bath as well to tune in.
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So maybe I'll feel that, oh,this person has like a blockage
at their throat chakra, like Ican just feel it, and so I'll
take a shaker like a littlechime.
I wish I had them with me rightnow, I would use them, but I'm
not at my office today.
But I would shake that maybeover their throat and then
they'll start coughing andyou'll be like, okay, we've
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moved that energy or you know,it could be a blockage maybe
lower.
You know, if you're working withnew moms, maybe it's sacral
that you know womb space and sousing it there, drumming, so I
use a lot of differentinstruments and it's kind of
intuitively what I'm feeling,like, oh, I need like something
sparky or I need something likegrounding and so like the drum
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sometimes can be played reallyquick and, like you know, bring
things up.
But a lot of times if you playit slowly and you really put the
drum right over their body,that whole vibration goes in and
then they're like, oh, I'm safe, like you just get that feeling
or things can release.
So there's there's lots ofdifferent instruments, but it's
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the point of it is that you aretuning into the person who's
laying on the floor what do theyneed today?
And you're playing it for them.
So I'm not coming in with likea set idea of how I'm going to
play it, unless I knew kind ofwhat they were wanting.
Like, if they're wanting to, getinto a creative space versus if
they're wanting to relax theirnervous system.
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But it's not like there's nomusic sheets.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Well, it sounds like it's veryintuitive.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
And then you would like this part because some
people who are not me because myvoice I only sing for myself
and maybe my family, but, likesome people, will sing notes
with the bowls as they play andit sounds like angels singing.
It's like amazing.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
I like to sing.
I didn't say I was good at it,I don't care anymore.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
I used to care.
Now I'm like I don't care, justgive me.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
You know, give me a whiskey and I'll be good.
But I mean, that's awesome.
That sounds so relaxed, okay,so first of all, before I go
into how relaxing it sounds, howdo people contact you?
Speaker 2 (27:38):
How do people contact me?
So I am based in West LA and Ialso do virtual although the
virtual sessions are more energywork than anything and I have a
website that is heatherbrowncom, and Heather is spelled with an
IR, so it's H-E-A-T-H-I-R,browncom, and then on Instagram
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I'm just Heather Brown as well,with the IR.
I have to be confusing.
So, yeah, it would be like I doanswer my DMs, as long as
you're not scamming.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
As long as there aren't any pictures, we're good.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
Yeah, I don't want any.
No, no, no.
But yeah.
So Heather Brown on Instagram,and then heatherbrowncom, and I
also do offer like freediscovery calls that do not have
a script.
I hate those, you know, whenyou do the discovery call
they're like I can't.
So the discovery call isliterally just a 15 to 20 minute
(28:41):
call where you can ask mewhatever you want to ask me.
Like I yeah, that's how I do it, cause it's like working in
this kind of way with peoplelike you need a good fit.
Like you know, I used to be adoula.
I always tell people likeinterview like three or four,
like see, we're going to go intothe depths of things.
So for like see, we're gonna gointo the depths of things, so
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let's make sure we want to dothat together, and that you know
it's yeah, so anyway, that'show people contact me.
It's just reaching out on mywebsite they can book a
discovery call or on instagram Ilove that and I do that.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
You don't have a scripted discovery.
Call everyone's like oh, you'dmake so much more money if you
did the.
And I'm like I.
I literally can't function thatway.
Hi, my name is.
How can I help you?
I mean, I just can't do it, I'mnot yeah some people do it
really well.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
I just, I just can't, so I yeah, no, and I used to do
like when I was, like incollege, I had a like a sales
job that I did, so I like I knowhow to do that, but I'm like no
, I don't want you to work withme.
If you don't want to work withme, like, let's not do that.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
Like, let's not have a problem from the beginning.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
No, and then I was also gonna say real quick I do
also have a podcast that I onlyhave like five or six episodes
for, because I don't update it,but it's called the impact
playground and it's for highlysensitive people and it's got
guided meditations in it andthere's no ads.
I kind of made it for myclients and then it's on there
(30:11):
for anybody, but it lets youkind of learn how to understand
your own energy body.
So if you're someone who's like, oh I do have my mother in law
and how do I get rid of it, thatpodcast kind of touches on
stuff you can do yourself.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
So, yeah, I'm not saying that's personal, no, but
I think that's so cool.
I didn't know that you had apodcast.
You'll have to make sure yousend us a link so we can put it
in the show bio.
Okay, because I think a lot ofpeople would find that really
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helpful.
Now um off to like another kindof subject.
I know that you have been doingdifferent things with groups and
you've been doing things umpost california fires and how
has that work been for you?
That has got got to be reallyhard work, and so first of all,
I want to thank you for doing it, because you know when the when
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it hits the fan, it's good toknow there's people who are
there on the healing side.
So I just wanted to say thankyou.
I mean, we have I haverelatives that are out in that
area and friends, and so youknow you always worry about how
people are doing, so it's alwaysnice to know that there's
(31:30):
something good people out thereto help them.
Sorry, I'm going to startblubbering here in a second, so
I'm not going to do that.
So why don't you tell us alittle bit about what you've
been doing in reference to thatkind of work, if you don't mind?
Speaker 2 (31:46):
Yeah, you know, it was like, thankfully I I was
close to where the fire was butI was safe.
I didn't have to evacuate.
I had a go bag but never had touse it, and so I was just kind
of witnessing.
Like I think, when these thingshappen, like the first thought
is like, well, how can I help?
(32:07):
Like what can I do to help?
And I was hearing fromeverybody that, which is of cool
, the centers for volunteering,for, like you know, sorting
donations and things like that.
There was a line out the doorto volunteer.
If you needed help you couldjust go in and that wasn't a
(32:29):
line.
But there were people justwaiting to volunteer and like
getting turned away because theyhad so many and going to
another center and, like someonesaid, they drove around for
like three hours just trying tofigure out where to go to help.
So like I'm hearing that andgoing like, okay, so that's,
that's covered, right.
And then it's like well, youknow, I have a specific set of
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skills that can be helpful andin this situation, and it's not
those immediate needs obviouslywe have our hierarchy of needs
and like, but the food and theshelter and the clothing, like
all those things were gettingtaken care of.
Um, thankfully, I mean la,stepped up.
Like it was incredible how thepeople just kind of like just
(33:12):
took care of each other.
Um, that was beautiful.
And so I had this thought oflike, okay, well, I could do
sessions for people who've losttheir home and like, again, we,
if we go back to what we talkedabout earlier, of like whatever
stress and things that you'regoing through that you don't
have time to like move store inthe body.
(33:33):
And so my thought was like Ican't, you know, fix everything,
because obviously they're stillgoing through this crisis, but
if we can move some of it out oftheir body, it's going to make
it a little easier for them tolike file their insurance
paperwork and do the things theyhave to do.
And so so I've had a few peoplewho've come in who have lost
their home, and I'm just doingfree sessions for them, like
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about an hour long.
And then the other piece was Iwas like I want to do something
for the community, like thatanybody could come.
And so I am part of a groupthat's on.
It's like a Facebook group,like West Side Ladies.
It's a free group.
And I was talking to the ladyBrandy Culver who runs that, and
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I was like you know, I can do asound bath, but like I don't
know where to do it because myoffice is really small I can
only fit like six people max.
And so she was she's likecommunity organizer.
So she was like I'm going tofigure this out.
So she found a coffee shop thatwas like in Santa Monica or
Venice and kind of around there,and basically they gave us a
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free space to use when theircoffee shop closed for the night
and we did, they just openedthe doors and people could come
in and we did a sound bath.
And again it was like justanybody who wanted to come could
come.
And the idea around the soundbath, my intention was just like
regulating the nervous systemand letting people just release
whatever they needed to releaseif they needed to cry during the
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sound bath, that they needed tofall asleep or just however
they needed to be, and just Ithink it was really beautiful
because at the end, like itwasn't just about the sound bath
, it was all these people goingthrough this collective
experience.
Some of them had lost theirhomes, some of them just had
been through all the you knowalerts for the last week and the
(35:22):
fear of maybe I'm evacuating,maybe not, and afterwards I was
just like just turn and you know, say hi to your neighbor, and
they ended up just chatting toeach other Like they didn't even
know each other, and theneverybody was talking and just
like having little conversations, of connection, and I think
that in those times, you know,we're all in our homes and we're
(35:43):
like so isolated or we might beonline, but I think there's a
lot of like just fear dumpingonline, and this was like you're
sitting with a person who cansee you and like you can just
really be however you are.
And I think that was one of theperson who can see you and like
you can just really be howeveryou are.
And I think that was one of thepieces.
And so from that, I did anothersound bath.
That was at a hotel that somepeople who had evacuated were
(36:05):
staying and we um, one of myclients knew them.
They were like families whoactually lived in the Palisades
and like went to a school, andso she knew them from that
community.
So I'm just, I think it's justmy way of volunteering because
I'm like I have the skill, Ihave the time.
Let me just do something, andit's not going to fix all of it,
(36:28):
but if I can move out some ofthat stress out of their body,
it's just going to, like longterm, you know, make them not be
like, oh, why do I feel sick,like next year or whatever, you
know, yeah, and I think it wasjust beautiful that it wasn't
just me doing that.
Right, like there were otherhealers stepping up, like
(36:49):
everyone was kind of whateverskill they had, like showing up
with it, and if anyone'slistening to this, and they did
lose their home, like I'm notputting an expiration date on
that, so if they reach out to me, like we can do a session
whenever they're ready, cause Iknow some people were like not
ready to go get on a table anddo that kind of thing.
They're just doing survival,especially if they have little
(37:12):
kids, you know.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
Yeah, survival, especially if you have little
kids, you know, yeah, survival,survival, yeah yeah, wow.
Well, I do know that one of thethings that's really incredible
about human beings is that ifwe choose, we can really show up
for each other.
We really can, regardless ofwhat, what is out there online.
(37:35):
We we definitely can, we canshow up for each other and I
love that.
I mean, when I saw that youwere doing that kind of stuff, I
mean first of all I was like,of course, she is like that's
just you, right, um, and I don'tknow if that's like the doula
on you or the you that becamethe doula, like whatever you
(37:56):
know, like, but but but I dothink that I do think it's
inspiring, I think it'sbeautiful, I think it's kind and
I think we need a lot morekindness in the world.
I think we need a lot morepeople who focus on being kind
(38:16):
and I love that that you wereable to, you know, do that with
your community.
I don't know if that makes anysense.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
It does make sense.
It does make sense and I thinkit's like it's easy to think
that the world's not kind if welook at certain things and I
think what, especially like LA,has this like reputation of like
everyone's out for themselvesand they're in it for you know,
like, and when you know thingshit the fan.
(38:48):
That wasn't the case.
Everybody would.
I mean, maybe maybe some ofthem were taking some selfies
while they were volunteering.
I don't know, know, but like butthey were doing it, they were
showing up they were helping andI think like, yeah, like the
kindness I also feel, like a lotof people are like oh well, I
don't know how to help, and Ithink really, that was this
(39:09):
feeling of what could I do, whatcould I do, and with everybody,
like we can just tune into,like what do you love to do?
What lights you up?
Like maybe you love to bake,maybe you love to, like you know
, sing.
Speaker 1 (39:21):
Because they're always welcome, right or
whatever yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:24):
Yeah, cause there's like thing can be a helpful
thing and just sharing thatkindness, cause I think some of
it isn't even about like howmuch did that help.
Like maybe you bake like somemuffins and bring them to
somebody who's going through ahard time, like that means a lot
, just to oh my gosh, you caredenough about me to like think
about baking me muffins.
You know like it's just it'seasy to do and it's easy to
(39:49):
think.
It doesn't matter too.
You know like yeah yeah, butit's I don't know.
But yeah, we definitely needeverybody to show up.
Be kind, yeah.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
I agree.
I remember.
So when the flooding happenedin North Carolina, my oldest son
went and he was doing some ofthe volunteer stuff, some of the
volunteer stuff, and he wassaying that a lot of it was
people.
You know, people weren'tthinking about what needs to be
(40:22):
done, it was more like oh, I'llbring a bunch of my used clothes
, you know, and he's like, andthey're turning stuff like that
away.
And then he said that he'snoticed the conversation was
changing from the very beginningwhen he went out towards like.
You know, a few weeks later, youknow, it was more like so what
are you good at?
Like, what tools can you use,like, so even even the people
(40:44):
who are trying to coordinatethings were trying to find, like
your special.
You like what?
Yeah, you know.
And so I think if you go intoit like, okay, I can, I can bake
1000 muffins, you know.
I can do that with my you know,my eyes shut, or I'm really
good at, you know, doing wash,you know.
So I'll volunteer to help andwash my neighbor's clothes or
(41:06):
whatever you know.
I think that that's somethingthat we can be mindful of when
we go into those situations.
Not, you know, what am I goodat and situations not you know,
what am I good at?
And and am I good at just doingwhat I'm asked?
So if you're not going to beable to do the job, then don't
don't go, don't don't take, andthat sounds so mean, that's not
(41:34):
what I'm trying to say, but umyeah.
I think you understand what I'mtrying to say.
Yeah, yeah, check your ego.
You don't need to save anybody.
Get in there and you know digholes if you've got to.
Speaker 2 (41:46):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, because it's like,
yeah, and maybe the thing thatyou have isn't needed yet, but
you also can do this other thingand and yeah, I get what you're
saying.
Speaker 1 (41:57):
Yeah, no, it wasn't doing a very good job describing
it, so thank you forunderstanding.
Yeah, so do you have any eventsor anything planned for this
coming year, or are you justgonna work so I, things are
happening and I don't know whatthey are yet and that's kind of
(42:18):
exciting.
Speaker 2 (42:18):
So in my whole thing of just kind of going down the
rabbit hole of oh what's this,oh what's that Is, I have some
new things that I'm learning andso I'm going to probably start
some virtual offerings for those.
But I'm actually learning.
I'm becoming a Kundaliniactivation facilitator.
(42:41):
So that's a whole otherconversation, but it's comes
down to we all have this innateintelligent energy within us.
Everybody does and it's aboutsending kind of like, amplifying
that and awakening that in avery gentle way.
So sometimes Kundalini soundslike whoa, this is, this is a
(43:03):
softer version of it, but it'sreally beautiful at just
clearing out the old and it'susually the sessions can be held
online on zoom and you'relistening to music and you're
laying in your space and you'rejust moving and crying and doing
whatever you need to do.
And so I'm in the middle ofthat right now.
(43:24):
So that will be coming outprobably this summer, but I'm
just letting it organicallyunfold.
I'm going through the trainingright now.
So I'm I'm going through all ofthe, all of the clearing.
Oh cool, it's been veryinteresting.
I'm like laughing one day,crying the next just moving a
lot of stuff.
Speaker 1 (43:44):
I deal with that too, but I think it's perimenopause.
There's that as well, you know.
Speaker 2 (43:49):
What's interesting, though, is when I've learned
about the Kundalini and evenlike, sometimes the energy will
like burn up like a hot flash,like a lot of it matches the
symptoms of perimenopause, whichmakes me very curious, because
they say that it starts toawaken when you're older and I'm
like so are we all justclearing?
(44:09):
I don't know.
Um, I'm liking that.
That'll be a whole otherconversation later, but it's
something I've been pondering.
Speaker 1 (44:17):
All right, we'll have to have you on when you're
doing that, so you can sharemore of that with us?
Speaker 2 (44:24):
Yeah, so I have that coming up, but for now mostly
I'm just working one-to-one withpeople, and sometimes it's a
one-off session, sometimes it'smore like you know, six sessions
.
I'm doing a little bit ofmentorship for people who kind
of are wanting to blend theirhealing modalities, but it's all
like it's not a one size fitsall.
(44:45):
It's kind of like we hop on adiscovery call, we figure out
what we want to do, or we do asession and then we say, okay,
now what?
Speaker 1 (44:51):
So, yeah, oh, I love that.
How cool.
Well, thank you so much forbeing here.
Now it's heatherbrowncomH-E-A-T-H-I-R-B-R-O-W-N.
Everybody, that is how you canconnect with Heather.
Definitely do so.
Um, there's, there are peopleout there who, um, have skills
(45:20):
and have all this education, andthen there's people like
Heather who have the skills,have the education, but also has
the right intent and energy,and I would be like totally at
her office on a regular basis inCalifornia because of just,
(45:43):
you've got some like common jujuabout you.
You know, you're just, I don'tknow how to say it, but anyways,
so definitely check Heather out.
Thank you so much for beinghere today.
Thank you, really appreciate ittoday.
Speaker 2 (45:56):
Thank you for having me Really appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (45:58):
And guys, listen, I fell asleep in the tub and I was
late to our call and my hair isstill wet, so that tells you
what a professional I am.
And Heather was so kind to me.
I was like 15 minutes late.
I was like, oh my gosh, she'sgoing to think I'm such a flake.
I just just I don't know.
(46:18):
The tub was warm, it's a reallygood bath it was.
I was just like, and then I waslike oh my gosh, I almost never
do that, so it was really.
It was perfect, though, becauseit was you, because you can
just your being, can make peoplefeel safe and relaxed, so I was
anticipating feeling, feelingnice and comfy.
(46:40):
You're just like warming up forit.
Speaker 2 (46:47):
You're like okay, let me just you know I had some
music on.
I was like, anyway, that soundsgreat.
I mean, you know it's a, it'sit's a Saturday, so like, or
well, today that we're recordingit.
Speaker 1 (46:54):
So I think it's like that's kind of vibe for that
anyway.
Speaker 2 (46:56):
So like or today that we're recording it.
So I think it's like that'skind of the vibe for that anyway
, so yes definitely, definitely,so.
Speaker 1 (47:01):
Thank you so much for being with us today.
I really appreciate it.
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (47:06):
Thanks for having me.
This was so fun.
All right, you have a great day, thanks.
Speaker 1 (47:10):
Okay, bye.
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