May 23, 2025 • 22 mins
In this transformative episode, we explore the art of taming the wild emotional dragons that often hold us back such as fear, doubt, anger, and procrastination and turning them into powerful allies. With a blend of storytelling, science, and soul, we uncover how mastering your inner world is the true foundation of sustainable entrepreneurial success. Learn actionable strategies to train your emotional responses, strengthen your resilience, and build the mental fortitude required to navigate risk, rejection, and uncertainty. Whether you're just starting your entrepreneurial journey or leveling up your empire, this episode equips you with the mindset rituals and inner tools to lead with clarity, courage, and conviction.
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Heather Ewing, CCIM (00:02):
Welcome to Heather Ewing, the CRE Rundown.
I am your host, Heather Ewing,and today I have a great guest
for you guys.
It is none other than RisaHasbrook Risa, welcome.
Risa Haasbroek (00:15):
Hi Heather, Thank you for having me.
Heather Ewing, CCIM (00:18):
Thank you for having me.
Thank you for joining me.
We were talking a little bitabout your lovely accent.
Can you share a little bit morewhere you're from?
Risa Haasbroek (00:30):
I'm originally from South Africa, but I live in
the US now.
I have been for the last howmany 11 years now, so the accent
should sound a little bit moreAmerican, but I guess I'm too
old.
It's a done deal, I will neverget the Well, it's beautiful.
Heather Ewing, CCIM (00:48):
I wouldn't change a thing about it, so it's
perfection.
So we've known each otherthrough LinkedIn.
For gosh, I want to say it'sabout a year and a half, maybe
longer, and so share with ouraudience a little bit more about
you so they can start to get toknow you.
Risa Haasbroek (01:04):
Okay, I call myself the dragon whisperer and
that's just to intrigue people.
It's a brand new.
It's actually.
I'm a mindset coach forentrepreneurs, so for me it's
the mindset part of it.
It's the vital part, becauseyou can have all the strategy
and the tactics in the world,but if your mind is not ready to
(01:27):
act on it, or to even just forit to land for you, you're not
going to take constructiveaction.
So I'm a big proponent of getyour mindset into place before
you start taking action.
Heather Ewing, CCIM (01:41):
Definitely Well, and I can speak for myself
over the years, of those, thosepeaks and valleys, right where
the mind is strong, and otherslike oh, it derailed on on that
one.
But what was the impetus forgetting into this?
Right, it's neat because you'rehearing more of it through the
NHL, nfl, these big sports teams, right they have, they have
(02:03):
their mindset.
Coach, performance coach,whatever term you want to give
it, right at the sidelines.
It's really become a movement.
I would say what was yourimpetus for getting into it?
Risa Haasbroek (02:14):
Let me give you the skinny version so that we
can really dig into the stuffthat I want to talk about.
We came to the US 11 years agobecause my husband got a job
here.
I was a homeschooling mom,stay-at-home mom.
Up to that point I always wroteon the side, otherwise I would
have gone crazy, okay, but stillit's.
You know, I was like afreelance journalist.
(02:35):
Then we moved here and my kidswere a little bit older and
because of the exchange ratebetween the two countries, I
realized that we were.
You know, at the beginning Ithought there's no way that we
could retire in the US and Iwanted to make my little
contribution because I could seemy children, you know, building
a life here and me going backto Africa.
And it's an 18 hour flightevery time and several zones.
(03:01):
You know, I want to be closer,live closer to my children and I
started my own business.
That's what I know.
I don't know how to do it.
I started selling homeschoolingmaterial to other homeschoolers
back in South Africa.
You start with what you know,right, but the things I didn't
(03:22):
know about business, it's like Ihad no idea what I was doing.
But I always said it's a crashcourse right If you want.
The best self-developmentproject on the earth is to start
your own business.
Heather Ewing, CCIM (03:37):
Completely.
Risa Haasbroek (03:37):
You really meet your edge and you understand oh,
I have so much to learn.
So I was working about 60 hoursa week and not making a lot of
money.
And then one day I heard a lifecoach talking and she said she
was making millions and workingonly three days a week.
And that really got myattention.
Oh, there's a different way todo this.
(03:59):
And then I started followingher.
Eventually I got certified as alife coach through her school,
loved it.
It's a very useful.
They call it the model, but itreally shows you the link
between your thinking and youremotions and how, when you
change your thinking, everythingdownstream changes.
(04:21):
So it was a powerful tool andas I applied that, I was working
fewer and fewer hours in mybusiness.
So I could see the value ofthat and the value of the
mindset part.
But by then I was like I wantto be a coach.
I love, you know I don't wantto sell grammar courses, that's
boring.
(04:42):
And then slowly I transitioned,you know I became a coach.
I coached for Russell Brunsonfor a while.
I was just a contract coach inhis program and then I worked
with entrepreneurs in there andI had this one friend who she
was part of a cohort when wewere training and she kept
telling me Risa, you're abusiness coach, you should get
(05:03):
to entrepreneurship, that's whatyou want to do.
And eventually I listened toher and made the transition.
And here I am coachingentrepreneurs on their mindset.
But I have a you know, comingfrom a really lived experience.
I suppose you know I've beenthere, done that.
No one does Right.
(05:23):
Yes, so that's the pottedversion of my story.
Heather Ewing, CCIM (05:30):
That's terrific.
I love it and I think it's oneof those.
All of our differentexperiences do really set us up
for the next one right, and acommonality amongst all of us
entrepreneurs is the businessthat was and is successful is
not the one, typically, that youstart with.
There's very few that do so.
I agree too.
(05:51):
I had, you know, an art,business, personal training, all
different things right, whereyou learn a lot from each and
every one, and the mindset is, Iwould say, the foundation that
you get to use to catapultyourself forward.
So what's something that wouldbe helpful for the audience to
know?
Risa Haasbroek (06:13):
It's understanding, deeply
understanding.
That was the shift for me,understanding where emotions
come from and that's why I callmyself the dragon whisperer.
It's that dragon inside thefairy, dragon that can be on
your team or not on your team,and you want to get it on your
team.
So understanding your emotionsis so important and realize they
(06:34):
are not generated by thecircumstances directly.
There's that step in betweenyour thinking, the way you
interpret things, the way youlook at it, the story you tell
yourself about events, and ifyou really truly radically
embrace that truth, it's amazing.
(06:55):
You know how it's possible toredirect your mind into a more I
don't even want to say positive, more constructive way, it's
like you don't have to beoptimistic about things, but
there's always a different wayto look at things once you
realize that and then yougenerate a different kind of
feeling that naturally woulddrive more constructive actions,
(07:18):
definitely.
Or even it's like it's used,and it will help you stop taking
action because sometimes,because of the feeling we are in
inaction and even that it'slike when I have a more, you
know it's more an open,expansive kind of feelings.
Those are more constructiveactions.
Heather Ewing, CCIM (07:39):
Right.
Could we go through an example?
Right, so it's kind of nice toI feel like we have a nice
periphery set up right, Could wego through an example, maybe,
of a client that you helped?
So just also help people seetangibly how that breaks down
right, Because we always hearabout mindset tangibly how that
(07:59):
breaks down right, Because wealways hear about mindset.
Of course, these days you hearso much about burnout, stress,
health issues, you know,exhaustion, all these different
things.
Is there an example that you'dlike to highlight where you help
someone and kind of break downsome of these different elements
to give people a good, goodidea of the magic you do?
Risa Haasbroek (08:15):
So it's.
I'm going to use my most famousclient, who told me afterwards
because of a single question youasked me I made millions.
But she isn't you understand,she's an outlier, right, it's
not going to correct.
I just wanted to, you know,give that at the beginning.
But it's also a very tangibleexample to use yo.
(08:35):
She lives lives in Australia.
She's originally from China,but she's already.
She was a seasoned entrepreneurand I worked with her in the
Russell Brunson program but shewas kind of stuck and sunk.
Cost fallacy was definitely nother friend.
She was in a business with afriend and she knows how to
(08:56):
create a huge audience on socialmedia she's so good with that.
But she didn't like the businessanymore.
So it meant burning everythingto the ground and starting over.
But she was also behind intaxes, so she had to spend more
money to get out of the businessbefore she could start making
(09:17):
money.
And then I asked her tell mehow it's possible that you can
do all of this, that you cansell the business and the guilt
about the partner you know thebusiness partner, I'm letting
her down all of those kind offeelings were also in the way.
But I asked her tell me howit's possible.
(09:38):
And she said afterwards we metactually at Russell Bronson's
ClickFunnel what's the name?
Hackers, right, the big eventthat he has.
And she told me that in thefoyer Risa, you have that one
question.
Heather Ewing, CCIM (09:55):
I love it, that's great.
Risa Haasbroek (09:57):
It doesn't always work that way, you know
it's like, but she was justready to hear that and it's the
word possible.
Then suddenly it openedpossibilities for her.
Okay, let me think of astrategy.
How can I do this?
Yes, I have to pay the backtaxes and all of that, and it's
going to cost me.
I have to pay the back taxesand all of that, and it's going
(10:18):
to cost me.
But let me start planninginstead of spinning in, you know
, in overwhelm, and I can't dothis because I'm telling myself
this story.
That's really not helping me.
So I would say, if you go backto the kind of model that I use,
her thinking was it'simpossible, it's going to cost
me so much to do this.
(10:40):
And then that created, say, forinstance, the emotion of
overwhelm, and then she wasstuck in inaction and also
thinking in circles I can't dothis.
It's like, okay.
And then when she changed iteven to something a little bit
more empowering, like it ispossible to shut down this one
business and start my newbusiness.
(11:02):
It's possible.
And now suddenly, like I said,that's an expansive kind of
feeling that would generate forus something like empowerment or
just and now you start makingthe list okay, how much money
actually do I own?
How much all of it?
(11:24):
How?
How quickly can I get into anincome?
Now you ask the constructivequestions, for instance, just
the planning part, but okay andoff she went.
But, like I said, she had a lotof experience already.
But it was so funny because shewas trained in NLP.
Do I have to explain a littlebit more what NLP is?
Does your audience know?
Heather Ewing, CCIM (11:46):
I'm familiar with it, but they
probably don't.
Risa Haasbroek (11:49):
It's Neuralistic Language Programming.
So it's a lot about changingyour thinking.
And she was a seasoned, she wasa coach herself.
But it's so funny how we getstuck in our own mind.
That's because of the emotion.
The emotion makes theexperience so real and it makes
it feel as if that's the onlyway it can be.
(12:11):
So the job, the work that youhave, is to break the illusion
again and again and see oh, it'snot.
This is not real.
I'm creating this feelingbecause of how I'm thinking.
But then I often get people tellmyself I don't want to lie to
(12:33):
myself.
But once you understand thatthe world is very, very complex
and you know that old analogy ofwe are like four blind men
trying to describe an elephant,that's all of us, that's.
The world is so complex and wefilter out most of the stimuli
(12:53):
just not to get overwhelmed.
It's your brain doing you you aservice.
And when you tell your mind,look for something red, it will
find it.
Look for the evidence that thiscan't work, it will act.
It's a very good servant.
It will actually do that.
But when you realize howcomplex the whole situation is
(13:14):
and that it's always possible toask how can I think about this
differently, and it's alwayspossible to think about
something differently becausethe world is so complex.
It's not about lying.
It's about opening your mind toother options, to more right of
the stimuli how would you sayphysicality ties into this too.
Heather Ewing, CCIM (13:39):
Right, because I think my own personal
thoughts I don't have anythingto back this up, but I think,
just looking at my own, you knowseveral decades on this green
earth and just in talking withother people too that a lot of
people try to solve it justthrough the mind and and as I've
started integrating more oflike the physicality, I feel
(14:00):
like things shift a lot morequickly and it gets you out of a
headspace that is such a If youneed to transition into a new
one.
What are your thoughts on that?
Risa Haasbroek (14:08):
That is such a valuable point because you
nailed it.
It's like we experience theemotion as a sensation, as a
vibration in your body.
It's a bodily experience, so nowonder focusing on the
physicality is so valuable.
I know you as an athlete.
You are very much attuned toyour body.
(14:29):
I can imagine Right.
But it's almost using your bodyand that experience, that
vibration, that sensation inyour body like a feedback loop.
Oh, I'm all tensed up now I havesome crazy thinking.
You know.
It's that Using your body as,like I said, as your feedback
(14:51):
loop, as a signal to I need tochange my thinking, as a signal
to I need to change my thinking.
And what I've seen of late isthat you don't even have to like
really dial into this specificthought and try to find that one
.
When you come back to yourself,when you realize I'm the one
creating this experience, it'slike you settle into this
(15:13):
clarity of mind.
I call it.
You come home and suddenly youare relaxed and your mind opens
again and you see morepossibility.
Because that's what happenswith anxiety we really get on
the blinders.
It makes sense for yoursurvival, when you are really
(15:37):
threatened, to really focus onthe snake in front of you, but
most of the time it's rubbersnakes that we are conjuring up
in our minds, right.
Heather Ewing, CCIM (15:48):
Yeah, it seems to be a human tendency,
right?
Until you kind of, like you say, tame the dragon and start
infusing different thoughts and,of course, over time those
become different beliefs.
But how would you say, what issomething that you have as a go
to for when things get stressful, right?
Are there any hobbies, physicalthings that you tend to go to
(16:11):
to to keep that dragon tamed andin that expansive state?
Risa Haasbroek (16:16):
I have a very, very active mind, so my biggest
problem is a sleep problem and Ican't turn my mind off.
And I know it's prettyuniversal, it's not that special
Right.
But what I really love is Idiscovered Yoga Nidra.
I don't know if you know, but Ihave to explain that also a
little bit more.
Heather Ewing, CCIM (16:36):
I listen to it at night.
Risa Haasbroek (16:38):
It's just getting into the parasympathetic
part of your nervous system.
That really works for me.
I know usually I don't liketechniques and habits.
I like to focus on the insights.
It's how you understand that.
But if I, if I'm very honestwith you, you're gonna.
I love it so much.
(16:59):
I have a you.
I bought some of these.
It's a guided meditation, incase someone doesn't know, and
it's a body scan going back tothe reality that you're in.
Oh, definitely Great.
I can feel my mind just slowingdown and I come home again.
You know, I'm able to redirectmyself, talking even, and tell
(17:22):
myself you'll fall asleep soon,and if I do it regularly enough,
I sleep like a baby.
It's.
The difference it makes is huge.
Heather Ewing, CCIM (17:32):
Definitely no, I agree.
And if you think about it,right, that back in the day,
right, it used to be personalbusiness health, blah, blah,
blah.
Right, like they're allseparate silos.
As the years go, I think it'smuch more accepted.
No, it's all interrelated,right, this is affecting this
and it's all a big consortium,and so to me it would also make
(17:54):
sense, right, if you are doingthe mental reps.
Right?
I remember taking a coursethrough John Assaraf at Neurogym
and the whole premise behindthat was you take classes, stay
active for your physical bodywhy not your mental space?
So I like to that you bring inabout the physicality with the
(18:17):
mind and mental growth andthings of that nature, because I
think to sustain anything longterm, which is what we all want,
right, if you think about it,we're all within the commercial
real estate realm associated.
You work with a lot of us.
You know what I mean.
So you know it very well thatit's very demanding, there's
(18:39):
high stress and you have toperform at an optimal level and
if you're burned out, if you'regoing through all of these
different physical things andotherwise you're just not going
to be able to perform at thesame level.
So I love what you offer and Ithink it's integral.
I think everyone needs aperformance coach, quite
honestly.
Risa Haasbroek (18:57):
Okay, thank you, I will take that.
Heather Ewing, CCIM (19:00):
Yeah, definitely so.
My last hard hitting questionfor you, Risa, is what does
living fully mean for you?
Risa Haasbroek (19:10):
Oh, I just I just wrote an article about it
what it means to be happy.
And I know happy gets a bad rap.
You know it needs like amarketing.
To some people it seems alittle bit frivolous.
I would say, you know, one ofmy favorite songs is that happy
song by Pharrell.
Yes, it's like if you feel thathappiness it's the truth and if
(19:32):
you understand what makes peoplehappy.
And it's four components.
You want three components, youwant meaning, you want
connection and then you wantthat feeling of achievement.
So it doesn't always feel thatway, but we like to overcome
hard things.
It gives us a sense ofsatisfaction and that definitely
(19:55):
contributes to our happiness.
And then, using those threeingredients into four areas of
your life, your faith, and thatcould be anything that takes
your small little ego and let itdissolve into something bigger
than yourself.
It doesn't have to be religionFor me it is religion, but it
doesn't have to be for everybody.
Family, which is a big problemat the moment in America People
(20:19):
are not talking to each otherbecause of politics Okay, right,
okay, and so friends can issuch a big contributor to
happiness, and that's also inthe decline, and I think COVID
almost, you know, exacerbatedthat problem that we don't have.
We don't know how to makefriends anymore.
(20:39):
And then the last one is work.
But it's like bringing in thethree.
It's connection, it's meaningand it's also achieving all of
that into work.
So it's a nice little package.
Do the things that make youhappy.
That's a fulfilled life.
Heather Ewing, CCIM (20:58):
I agree, and you know, really, it is that
simple, right.
I think if you've ever noticed,right, anyone that masters any
arena.
It's clear and concise, right.
So happiness to me.
Why not?
Right?
It's clear, it's concise, itbrings you joy.
That's that, to me, is aperfect answer.
So, risa, before we, before weend, how can people connect with
(21:22):
you to learn more and reallyupgrade their lives and career?
Risa Haasbroek (21:25):
I'm really very active on LinkedIn and I also
have a free audio course aboutthe management of emotions, but
I think it's just easier ifpeople reach out to me under my
own name, the Dragon Whisperer.
If that's easier, they willfind me on LinkedIn and send a
connection request, and I thinkthat's the easiest way to get to
(21:46):
know me better.
Heather Ewing, CCIM (21:48):
Perfect Risa.
Thank you so much for joiningme today.
Risa Haasbroek (21:51):
Thank you, it was lovely.
Heather Ewing, CCIM (21:54):
Bye-bye.
Welcome to Heather Ewing, the CRE Rundown.
I am your host, Heather Ewing,and today I have a great guest
for you guys.
It is none other than RisaHasbrook Risa, welcome.
Risa Haasbroek (00:15):
Hi Heather, Thank you for having me.
Heather Ewing, CCIM (00:18):
Thank you for having me.
Thank you for joining me.
We were talking a little bitabout your lovely accent.
Can you share a little bit morewhere you're from?
Risa Haasbroek (00:30):
I'm originally from South Africa, but I live in
the US now.
I have been for the last howmany 11 years now, so the accent
should sound a little bit moreAmerican, but I guess I'm too
old.
It's a done deal, I will neverget the Well, it's beautiful.
Heather Ewing, CCIM (00:48):
I wouldn't change a thing about it, so it's
perfection.
So we've known each otherthrough LinkedIn.
For gosh, I want to say it'sabout a year and a half, maybe
longer, and so share with ouraudience a little bit more about
you so they can start to get toknow you.
Risa Haasbroek (01:04):
Okay, I call myself the dragon whisperer and
that's just to intrigue people.
It's a brand new.
It's actually.
I'm a mindset coach forentrepreneurs, so for me it's
the mindset part of it.
It's the vital part, becauseyou can have all the strategy
and the tactics in the world,but if your mind is not ready to
(01:27):
act on it, or to even just forit to land for you, you're not
going to take constructiveaction.
So I'm a big proponent of getyour mindset into place before
you start taking action.
Heather Ewing, CCIM (01:41):
Definitely Well, and I can speak for myself
over the years, of those, thosepeaks and valleys, right where
the mind is strong, and otherslike oh, it derailed on on that
one.
But what was the impetus forgetting into this?
Right, it's neat because you'rehearing more of it through the
NHL, nfl, these big sports teams, right they have, they have
(02:03):
their mindset.
Coach, performance coach,whatever term you want to give
it, right at the sidelines.
It's really become a movement.
I would say what was yourimpetus for getting into it?
Risa Haasbroek (02:14):
Let me give you the skinny version so that we
can really dig into the stuffthat I want to talk about.
We came to the US 11 years agobecause my husband got a job
here.
I was a homeschooling mom,stay-at-home mom.
Up to that point I always wroteon the side, otherwise I would
have gone crazy, okay, but stillit's.
You know, I was like afreelance journalist.
(02:35):
Then we moved here and my kidswere a little bit older and
because of the exchange ratebetween the two countries, I
realized that we were.
You know, at the beginning Ithought there's no way that we
could retire in the US and Iwanted to make my little
contribution because I could seemy children, you know, building
a life here and me going backto Africa.
And it's an 18 hour flightevery time and several zones.
(03:01):
You know, I want to be closer,live closer to my children and I
started my own business.
That's what I know.
I don't know how to do it.
I started selling homeschoolingmaterial to other homeschoolers
back in South Africa.
You start with what you know,right, but the things I didn't
(03:22):
know about business, it's like Ihad no idea what I was doing.
But I always said it's a crashcourse right If you want.
The best self-developmentproject on the earth is to start
your own business.
Heather Ewing, CCIM (03:37):
Completely.
Risa Haasbroek (03:37):
You really meet your edge and you understand oh,
I have so much to learn.
So I was working about 60 hoursa week and not making a lot of
money.
And then one day I heard a lifecoach talking and she said she
was making millions and workingonly three days a week.
And that really got myattention.
Oh, there's a different way todo this.
(03:59):
And then I started followingher.
Eventually I got certified as alife coach through her school,
loved it.
It's a very useful.
They call it the model, but itreally shows you the link
between your thinking and youremotions and how, when you
change your thinking, everythingdownstream changes.
(04:21):
So it was a powerful tool andas I applied that, I was working
fewer and fewer hours in mybusiness.
So I could see the value ofthat and the value of the
mindset part.
But by then I was like I wantto be a coach.
I love, you know I don't wantto sell grammar courses, that's
boring.
(04:42):
And then slowly I transitioned,you know I became a coach.
I coached for Russell Brunsonfor a while.
I was just a contract coach inhis program and then I worked
with entrepreneurs in there andI had this one friend who she
was part of a cohort when wewere training and she kept
telling me Risa, you're abusiness coach, you should get
(05:03):
to entrepreneurship, that's whatyou want to do.
And eventually I listened toher and made the transition.
And here I am coachingentrepreneurs on their mindset.
But I have a you know, comingfrom a really lived experience.
I suppose you know I've beenthere, done that.
No one does Right.
(05:23):
Yes, so that's the pottedversion of my story.
Heather Ewing, CCIM (05:30):
That's terrific.
I love it and I think it's oneof those.
All of our differentexperiences do really set us up
for the next one right, and acommonality amongst all of us
entrepreneurs is the businessthat was and is successful is
not the one, typically, that youstart with.
There's very few that do so.
I agree too.
(05:51):
I had, you know, an art,business, personal training, all
different things right, whereyou learn a lot from each and
every one, and the mindset is, Iwould say, the foundation that
you get to use to catapultyourself forward.
So what's something that wouldbe helpful for the audience to
know?
Risa Haasbroek (06:13):
It's understanding, deeply
understanding.
That was the shift for me,understanding where emotions
come from and that's why I callmyself the dragon whisperer.
It's that dragon inside thefairy, dragon that can be on
your team or not on your team,and you want to get it on your
team.
So understanding your emotionsis so important and realize they
(06:34):
are not generated by thecircumstances directly.
There's that step in betweenyour thinking, the way you
interpret things, the way youlook at it, the story you tell
yourself about events, and ifyou really truly radically
embrace that truth, it's amazing.
(06:55):
You know how it's possible toredirect your mind into a more I
don't even want to say positive, more constructive way, it's
like you don't have to beoptimistic about things, but
there's always a different wayto look at things once you
realize that and then yougenerate a different kind of
feeling that naturally woulddrive more constructive actions,
(07:18):
definitely.
Or even it's like it's used,and it will help you stop taking
action because sometimes,because of the feeling we are in
inaction and even that it'slike when I have a more, you
know it's more an open,expansive kind of feelings.
Those are more constructiveactions.
Heather Ewing, CCIM (07:39):
Right.
Could we go through an example?
Right, so it's kind of nice toI feel like we have a nice
periphery set up right, Could wego through an example, maybe,
of a client that you helped?
So just also help people seetangibly how that breaks down
right, Because we always hearabout mindset tangibly how that
(07:59):
breaks down right, Because wealways hear about mindset.
Of course, these days you hearso much about burnout, stress,
health issues, you know,exhaustion, all these different
things.
Is there an example that you'dlike to highlight where you help
someone and kind of break downsome of these different elements
to give people a good, goodidea of the magic you do?
Risa Haasbroek (08:15):
So it's.
I'm going to use my most famousclient, who told me afterwards
because of a single question youasked me I made millions.
But she isn't you understand,she's an outlier, right, it's
not going to correct.
I just wanted to, you know,give that at the beginning.
But it's also a very tangibleexample to use yo.
(08:35):
She lives lives in Australia.
She's originally from China,but she's already.
She was a seasoned entrepreneurand I worked with her in the
Russell Brunson program but shewas kind of stuck and sunk.
Cost fallacy was definitely nother friend.
She was in a business with afriend and she knows how to
(08:56):
create a huge audience on socialmedia she's so good with that.
But she didn't like the businessanymore.
So it meant burning everythingto the ground and starting over.
But she was also behind intaxes, so she had to spend more
money to get out of the businessbefore she could start making
(09:17):
money.
And then I asked her tell mehow it's possible that you can
do all of this, that you cansell the business and the guilt
about the partner you know thebusiness partner, I'm letting
her down all of those kind offeelings were also in the way.
But I asked her tell me howit's possible.
(09:38):
And she said afterwards we metactually at Russell Bronson's
ClickFunnel what's the name?
Hackers, right, the big eventthat he has.
And she told me that in thefoyer Risa, you have that one
question.
Heather Ewing, CCIM (09:55):
I love it, that's great.
Risa Haasbroek (09:57):
It doesn't always work that way, you know
it's like, but she was justready to hear that and it's the
word possible.
Then suddenly it openedpossibilities for her.
Okay, let me think of astrategy.
How can I do this?
Yes, I have to pay the backtaxes and all of that, and it's
going to cost me.
I have to pay the back taxesand all of that, and it's going
(10:18):
to cost me.
But let me start planninginstead of spinning in, you know
, in overwhelm, and I can't dothis because I'm telling myself
this story.
That's really not helping me.
So I would say, if you go backto the kind of model that I use,
her thinking was it'simpossible, it's going to cost
me so much to do this.
(10:40):
And then that created, say, forinstance, the emotion of
overwhelm, and then she wasstuck in inaction and also
thinking in circles I can't dothis.
It's like, okay.
And then when she changed iteven to something a little bit
more empowering, like it ispossible to shut down this one
business and start my newbusiness.
(11:02):
It's possible.
And now suddenly, like I said,that's an expansive kind of
feeling that would generate forus something like empowerment or
just and now you start makingthe list okay, how much money
actually do I own?
How much all of it?
(11:24):
How?
How quickly can I get into anincome?
Now you ask the constructivequestions, for instance, just
the planning part, but okay andoff she went.
But, like I said, she had a lotof experience already.
But it was so funny because shewas trained in NLP.
Do I have to explain a littlebit more what NLP is?
Does your audience know?
Heather Ewing, CCIM (11:46):
I'm familiar with it, but they
probably don't.
Risa Haasbroek (11:49):
It's Neuralistic Language Programming.
So it's a lot about changingyour thinking.
And she was a seasoned, she wasa coach herself.
But it's so funny how we getstuck in our own mind.
That's because of the emotion.
The emotion makes theexperience so real and it makes
it feel as if that's the onlyway it can be.
(12:11):
So the job, the work that youhave, is to break the illusion
again and again and see oh, it'snot.
This is not real.
I'm creating this feelingbecause of how I'm thinking.
But then I often get people tellmyself I don't want to lie to
(12:33):
myself.
But once you understand thatthe world is very, very complex
and you know that old analogy ofwe are like four blind men
trying to describe an elephant,that's all of us, that's.
The world is so complex and wefilter out most of the stimuli
(12:53):
just not to get overwhelmed.
It's your brain doing you you aservice.
And when you tell your mind,look for something red, it will
find it.
Look for the evidence that thiscan't work, it will act.
It's a very good servant.
It will actually do that.
But when you realize howcomplex the whole situation is
(13:14):
and that it's always possible toask how can I think about this
differently, and it's alwayspossible to think about
something differently becausethe world is so complex.
It's not about lying.
It's about opening your mind toother options, to more right of
the stimuli how would you sayphysicality ties into this too.
Heather Ewing, CCIM (13:39):
Right, because I think my own personal
thoughts I don't have anythingto back this up, but I think,
just looking at my own, you knowseveral decades on this green
earth and just in talking withother people too that a lot of
people try to solve it justthrough the mind and and as I've
started integrating more oflike the physicality, I feel
(14:00):
like things shift a lot morequickly and it gets you out of a
headspace that is such a If youneed to transition into a new
one.
What are your thoughts on that?
Risa Haasbroek (14:08):
That is such a valuable point because you
nailed it.
It's like we experience theemotion as a sensation, as a
vibration in your body.
It's a bodily experience, so nowonder focusing on the
physicality is so valuable.
I know you as an athlete.
You are very much attuned toyour body.
(14:29):
I can imagine Right.
But it's almost using your bodyand that experience, that
vibration, that sensation inyour body like a feedback loop.
Oh, I'm all tensed up now I havesome crazy thinking.
You know.
It's that Using your body as,like I said, as your feedback
(14:51):
loop, as a signal to I need tochange my thinking, as a signal
to I need to change my thinking.
And what I've seen of late isthat you don't even have to like
really dial into this specificthought and try to find that one
.
When you come back to yourself,when you realize I'm the one
creating this experience, it'slike you settle into this
(15:13):
clarity of mind.
I call it.
You come home and suddenly youare relaxed and your mind opens
again and you see morepossibility.
Because that's what happenswith anxiety we really get on
the blinders.
It makes sense for yoursurvival, when you are really
(15:37):
threatened, to really focus onthe snake in front of you, but
most of the time it's rubbersnakes that we are conjuring up
in our minds, right.
Heather Ewing, CCIM (15:48):
Yeah, it seems to be a human tendency,
right?
Until you kind of, like you say, tame the dragon and start
infusing different thoughts and,of course, over time those
become different beliefs.
But how would you say, what issomething that you have as a go
to for when things get stressful, right?
Are there any hobbies, physicalthings that you tend to go to
(16:11):
to to keep that dragon tamed andin that expansive state?
Risa Haasbroek (16:16):
I have a very, very active mind, so my biggest
problem is a sleep problem and Ican't turn my mind off.
And I know it's prettyuniversal, it's not that special
Right.
But what I really love is Idiscovered Yoga Nidra.
I don't know if you know, but Ihave to explain that also a
little bit more.
Heather Ewing, CCIM (16:36):
I listen to it at night.
Risa Haasbroek (16:38):
It's just getting into the parasympathetic
part of your nervous system.
That really works for me.
I know usually I don't liketechniques and habits.
I like to focus on the insights.
It's how you understand that.
But if I, if I'm very honestwith you, you're gonna.
I love it so much.
(16:59):
I have a you.
I bought some of these.
It's a guided meditation, incase someone doesn't know, and
it's a body scan going back tothe reality that you're in.
Oh, definitely Great.
I can feel my mind just slowingdown and I come home again.
You know, I'm able to redirectmyself, talking even, and tell
(17:22):
myself you'll fall asleep soon,and if I do it regularly enough,
I sleep like a baby.
It's.
The difference it makes is huge.
Heather Ewing, CCIM (17:32):
Definitely no, I agree.
And if you think about it,right, that back in the day,
right, it used to be personalbusiness health, blah, blah,
blah.
Right, like they're allseparate silos.
As the years go, I think it'smuch more accepted.
No, it's all interrelated,right, this is affecting this
and it's all a big consortium,and so to me it would also make
(17:54):
sense, right, if you are doingthe mental reps.
Right?
I remember taking a coursethrough John Assaraf at Neurogym
and the whole premise behindthat was you take classes, stay
active for your physical bodywhy not your mental space?
So I like to that you bring inabout the physicality with the
(18:17):
mind and mental growth andthings of that nature, because I
think to sustain anything longterm, which is what we all want,
right, if you think about it,we're all within the commercial
real estate realm associated.
You work with a lot of us.
You know what I mean.
So you know it very well thatit's very demanding, there's
(18:39):
high stress and you have toperform at an optimal level and
if you're burned out, if you'regoing through all of these
different physical things andotherwise you're just not going
to be able to perform at thesame level.
So I love what you offer and Ithink it's integral.
I think everyone needs aperformance coach, quite
honestly.
Risa Haasbroek (18:57):
Okay, thank you, I will take that.
Heather Ewing, CCIM (19:00):
Yeah, definitely so.
My last hard hitting questionfor you, Risa, is what does
living fully mean for you?
Risa Haasbroek (19:10):
Oh, I just I just wrote an article about it
what it means to be happy.
And I know happy gets a bad rap.
You know it needs like amarketing.
To some people it seems alittle bit frivolous.
I would say, you know, one ofmy favorite songs is that happy
song by Pharrell.
Yes, it's like if you feel thathappiness it's the truth and if
(19:32):
you understand what makes peoplehappy.
And it's four components.
You want three components, youwant meaning, you want
connection and then you wantthat feeling of achievement.
So it doesn't always feel thatway, but we like to overcome
hard things.
It gives us a sense ofsatisfaction and that definitely
(19:55):
contributes to our happiness.
And then, using those threeingredients into four areas of
your life, your faith, and thatcould be anything that takes
your small little ego and let itdissolve into something bigger
than yourself.
It doesn't have to be religionFor me it is religion, but it
doesn't have to be for everybody.
Family, which is a big problemat the moment in America People
(20:19):
are not talking to each otherbecause of politics Okay, right,
okay, and so friends can issuch a big contributor to
happiness, and that's also inthe decline, and I think COVID
almost, you know, exacerbatedthat problem that we don't have.
We don't know how to makefriends anymore.
(20:39):
And then the last one is work.
But it's like bringing in thethree.
It's connection, it's meaningand it's also achieving all of
that into work.
So it's a nice little package.
Do the things that make youhappy.
That's a fulfilled life.
Heather Ewing, CCIM (20:58):
I agree, and you know, really, it is that
simple, right.
I think if you've ever noticed,right, anyone that masters any
arena.
It's clear and concise, right.
So happiness to me.
Why not?
Right?
It's clear, it's concise, itbrings you joy.
That's that, to me, is aperfect answer.
So, risa, before we, before weend, how can people connect with
(21:22):
you to learn more and reallyupgrade their lives and career?
Risa Haasbroek (21:25):
I'm really very active on LinkedIn and I also
have a free audio course aboutthe management of emotions, but
I think it's just easier ifpeople reach out to me under my
own name, the Dragon Whisperer.
If that's easier, they willfind me on LinkedIn and send a
connection request, and I thinkthat's the easiest way to get to
(21:46):
know me better.
Heather Ewing, CCIM (21:48):
Perfect Risa.
Thank you so much for joiningme today.
Risa Haasbroek (21:51):
Thank you, it was lovely.
Heather Ewing, CCIM (21:54):
Bye-bye.
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