May 12, 2025 • 31 mins
Through a rollercoaster conversation touching on infidelity, judgment, and spiritual growth, Mondo and Laura unpack the transformative journey toward embodying mercy, pure-heartedness, and peacemaking.
Laura introduces a powerful distinction between perpetual self-improvement and genuine self-acceptance. Many of us remain trapped in cycles of "fixing" ourselves when what we truly need is to release judgment. "When you release judgment, that's when you can go into this: I'm whole and complete and loved as I am," she explains. This shift from judgment to grace creates space for authentic spiritual expansion.
The most compelling insight emerges when discussing our "internal guidance system"—that intuitive compass that often conflicts with our logical mind. This misalignment causes discomfort because we're designed to expand, express, and explore beyond our comfort zones. Through touching stories, including Laura's son confronting existential questions about heaven and hell, they illustrate how spiritual awakening ripples through families and communities, creating opportunities for healing conversations across generations.
Listen now and discover how releasing judgment of yourself and others might be the transformation you've been seeking all along.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
On this episode, laura and I have a rollercoaster
conversation where we touch oninfidelity, judgment and Jesus
Christ.
This segment is radicallytransparent and we unpack what
it looks like to become amerciful and pure-hearted
peacemaker, aka Heavenly Human.
So let's jump right in.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Like have mercy.
What does that mean?
Speaker 1 (00:31):
So I was actually thinking about that one the most
today Because, pure in heart, Ifeel like I've always been that
Also, being a peacemaker,trying to make sure ain't nobody
fighting and arguing orwhatever.
I was always skilled at that,but mercy is something that I
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needed to experience first tounderstand it.
So I won't go on a long story,but through my faith walk there
was a season where it justlooked like Armageddon was going
to happen, like everything wasgoing to crumble.
If it's just like A equals B,equals C, Well, man, if C hits
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ABC, like I just see thishappening.
And then God was just like no,no, no, no, no.
Like I show mercy, we're nevergoing to get to see Right, this
is going to be A, B, A, B, A, B.
And just the fear that God putin my spirit to like show me,
this thing can happen.
(01:37):
I have control over this thinghappening, but I'm not going to
let it happen because you'rebeing obedient.
Let it happen because you'rebeing obedient, Because I
experienced that so many times,over and over and over.
I was like, oh, how do I becomea more merciful person?
So I'll give you an example.
(01:58):
This is you talk about old Mondo, new Mondo or old Laura, new
Laura, Old Mondo, new Mondo orold Laura, new Laura.
Old Mondo was extremely selfish.
We talk about this right, butone of my selfish qualities was
my relationship with significantothers and for me it was
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oftentimes counter to atraditional relationship.
So old Mondo used to look atmarriage right and like 50%
success rate.
I'm a problem solver.
Those odds don't work for me,so I just can't opt into that
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lifestyle because it justdoesn't make sense.
And so I was more of adepending on the season of life.
I was more of a openrelationship, multiple partners
or I didn't mind being the sidedude for somebody who had a
partner and sometimes even had aspouse, and I was able to
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reconcile that because I wasalways honest, Like up front.
I would always say like this ismy reason for being here, this
is what I can offer, this iswhat I'm unwilling to offer,
Choose in or out right.
Like I didn't want tomanipulate somebody and hide
stuff or whatever.
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I was just always up front.
And what I found through thatjourney is that truth typically
led to a lot of opt-ins.
Like it felt different, it feltrefreshing to the other party
to just hear somebody say thethings out loud and then be like
I'm open to explore that.
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I bring that up because insituations where I was in union
for the lack of a better wordwith someone who had a spouse,
there was a better version of mewould have shown some different
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mercy.
I would have took a step backand been like, oh well, if you
have kids, maybe I shouldn'tRight.
Or if your husband X Y Z, maybeI shouldn't Right.
Or if your husband X Y Z, maybeI shouldn't, Even though you're
willing to opt in.
I have to show mercy in a way,because I know eventually this
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is going to blow up in your face, not mine.
Right.
I'm the single man that can justleave and come, and so many of
times I would step in.
It would be amazing and dopefor months or years or whatever,
and then it will blow up in theother person's face and then
they would have to then pick upthe pieces.
And now I'm, like Mondo, beinga better version of yourself is
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showing mercy, knowing thatthat's the outcome.
And so, one, don't even putyourself in that position, but
two, if that seems to just fallinto your lap somehow, you have
to turn it down Right, becauseyou know it is not of.
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It was aligned with myrelationship with other partners
.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Well, first of all I mean thanks for being so
vulnerable with that.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
Yeah, yeah.
I mean there was a season in mylife where everybody in my
inner circle knew I was theoddball when it came to
relationships, right LikeMondo's just going to do what
Mondo is going to do.
But I just always felt I neverfelt like the villain because I
never misled anybody.
(05:57):
And still I reached theseintersections in my life where I
was like I still have to bebetter.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Did you reach a point in your your faith?
Walk where you're like oh, Ineed to ask for forgiveness for
that.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
So I'll say no.
And here's why.
And this might be somethingthat I have to reflect on when,
when I saw just talk aboutmarried women specifically and
it's not like I've messed withlike 50 married women, I'm not
saying that as just a couple,but when I would mess, when I
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had a relationship with amarried human, I somehow
reconciled that this personfeels stuck.
They are unwilling to be braveand do the brave thing, which is
say something out loud to yourpartner or leave it because it's
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unhealthy or whatever.
And so to me I was like well,I'm adding value to your life,
right, like somehow, some way,like that is how it worked in my
head, like somehow I am ashepherd in your life to help
you become more brave or take abold step or get caught and get
(07:18):
pushed Right and start the newcycle in your life.
And so I never had to ask forforgiveness to me because I just
never felt that need.
It was like those things didhappen and it blew up.
But like, fast forward, I'mlike everything happens exactly
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how it should.
Why I'm not going to say likeGod sent me there to mess up the
why.
I'm not going to say like Godsent me there to mess up the
marriage.
Like I'm not going to say that,but I just never felt the need
or desire to like ask forforgiveness, given my truth.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
I don't know why this came to me, but like someone's
listening to this and they'retotally judging you right now.
Oh, yeah.
They're totally judging youright now.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Oh yeah, they're totally judging you, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
And I think that's part of my gift is that I just
see things from so manydifferent perspectives, like I
invite so many differentperspectives, and I can like
literally hear people chirpingin my ear of what their
responses would be to what youjust said, and I can hear all
the responses and yet I'm likethat's something for them to
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work out.
Yeah.
Like whatever you're judging,that's, that's your stuff.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
I agree.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
But like that's.
That is like.
What we're getting at is howmany times are we pointing the
finger at someone else, sayingyou're in the wrong, I'm a
better person than you because X, Y, Z.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
Yeah, that's so spot on.
That's like like how?
Speaker 2 (08:57):
how many of us are just pointing at other people
being like I'm this way becauseyou made me this way?
Dang that's versus going backto a previous recording we had
about radical responsibilitytaking radical responsibility If
you're feeling something likethat's yours, that's not someone
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else's, that's yours.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
And I think that's so powerful and and also like I've
discovered through my walk,that the things that I judge
others on or may pause and belike oh dang, I'm judging
somebody Right, like like thosethings typically like find their
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way into my life where I'm inthe reverse position.
Rather, it's somebody close tome now navigating that Like
let's just say it's a cousin anda cousin is going through it
and I'm like, oh man, that otherperson is just Mondo Right.
Like and I'm just like oh okay.
So then I have a different levelof empathy, because maybe the
person in my life on the otherside is navigating like that.
(10:09):
And so I definitely would sayhaving a daughter played a huge
role in my shift, because once Irecognized that like everything
comes full circle, yeah Right,I was like there's no way I'm
going to continue this behavior.
If now in my awareness, I thinkthis could lead to my daughter
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having to experience this, now,early on, when this was
happening, like that wasn't partof my awareness, but as soon as
it was, as soon as that becamelike a maybe it was like well,
then you might want to changeyour behavior.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
And so could there have been a way it came into
your awareness sooner.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
Yeah, I don't, I don't know and I don't even
think it's.
I don't think it was necessaryto come into my awareness sooner
, because maybe I wouldn't havethe courage to talk out loud
about it like I am right now.
Yeah, yeah, enough.
Things happen in a way thatAllows me to, like, not look at
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that version of myself with anyshame.
It allows me to not look atthat version of myself with any
shame.
The things that I had toreconcile with certain humans, I
reconciled those things, and soI just have a lot of grace at
this point.
And yeah, here's an example.
(11:32):
Here's an example of grace.
I know grace isn't one of thethings that I said, but I think
we should add grace onto it.
It seems like it.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
It really seems like think about this how many people
judge themselves?
When they should be could begiving themselves grace.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
Grace.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Cause that.
So, when I think about my wholecycle of, I mean, I've always
had this thing about me of likealways wanting to be better,
always like reaching for, uh,the peak version of myself.
But I was in a cycle of ofalways thinking I needed to
improve, like it was almost likestuck in the cycle of like,
(12:13):
well, I need to do more healing,I need to do this and do that,
versus all I needed to do wasrelease judgment.
When you release judgment,that's when you can go into this
like, oh, I'm whole andcomplete and loved as I am.
(12:34):
Yeah.
Like versus.
I always need to be fixingmyself.
I always need to be gettingbetter.
Like you could literally stayin that cycle your entire life.
I agree.
Versus you can then make adecision, decide oh, I love
myself, yeah, not from like anegoic perspective, but just I
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can look at myself in the mirrorand not berate myself and not
be my worst critic.
And so getting from that alwaysperpetual cycle of I'm not
enough.
I need to do more.
I need to be more.
I need to whatever more I needto fix people.
I need to do more.
I need to be more, I need towhatever more.
I need to fix people.
I need to change things.
Like you could just releasejudgment of like maybe it is
exactly the way it's supposed tobe and then move into complete,
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unconditional love.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
I love that.
I I'll I'll sidestep grace fora second Cause.
I want to go to theunconditional love piece,
aligned with heavenly human, Iwould say on an abstract level.
When I just think about theimagination of humans, I think
about Disney World, Right, andI'm like we have, when I say
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Disney World, like there's aslight smile like oh yeah.
Disney World is good.
I don't know if you've been toDisney World, but it's just a
magical place and if you ask 100people about Disney World, 99
are going to have a positive,good-feeling response response.
The reason why heavenly humanhit for me was because when
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somebody says heaven, nothingabout heaven feels wicked or
nasty or ugly.
It has just been planted intoour psyche with such positive
energy and essence that if youchoose to embody whatever you
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believe, heavenly human is howyou are going to operate in
heaven.
Well, it's going to looksomething like Disney World,
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like that type of energy, right?
And so I feel like there are somany like sub categories and
identities.
Rather, I'm and we're arguingwith each other because you're
an opposition to my subculture,right?
However, like heaven is anumbrella, like nobody's, like,
well, I'm on the West side ofheaven and we don't mess with
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people on the East side ofheaven, like that's not even a
thing.
And so the imagination ofheavenly human allows people to
like, kind of build their owncharacter, but know, like, if I
make a choice that iscondescending or backstabbing or
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unhealthy, you know, without adoubt, that's not heavenly,
right, like you check yourself,you're just like yeah, god, I
know that wasn't heavenly.
Let me, let me get better.
And so this whole like push forheavenly human, a lot of it is
just being able to self-assessbecause you know in your mind
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and in your heart yeah, you havean internal guidance system.
Yes.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
You have an internal guidance system and, like I
think that might be part of whya lot of people feel
misalignment, is because theirinternal guidance system is like
leading them somewhere else andtheir logical mind is saying
Nope, Nope, Nope.
Yeah.
And, like that guidance systemis going to keep after you until
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you make some changes or untilyou make some bold choices.
I just I that that's my beliefsystem, whether you want to
believe that or not.
Um, because you're here toexpand, because you're here to
expand, you're here to express,you're here to explore, and many
of us clearly are like thiswhole way of life that we've
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been living.
We're like we don't want ourkids to do that.
Right.
I was like I literally look atso many, so many people.
They do not want their childrento do what they're doing, dang
that's real and when I ask them,I'm like, okay, well, what is
your dream?
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like so many people haven't evengiven themselves permission to
dream, but, like, when you canget back in touch with that
imagination, that play, all thatit's, it will come to you.
And it might not even be likethis you have to quit your job.
It might just be go play withyour kids, go take your wife out
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to dinner, go re-engage withsomeone in your community.
Like you're going to get theselittle nudges and then, when you
follow the nudge, that's where,like the feel good chemicals
come in.
It's like your brain gives youthese hits of like oh yeah, more
of that, please.
Yeah.
More of that, please.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
You're tuning into that younger version of yourself
, that kid version, that kidspirit.
I mean.
Every morning, now again, justto build or reach back to an old
routine routine.
I eat cereal every morning,poured my life cereal, got my
milk.
There, looking at the back ofthe cereal box and just like, oh
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, my gosh, just that, it's justlike.
Oh, I remember doing this sofrequently.
No phone, no, you know.
And so, yeah, I think it sparkssomething else.
When you to your point, thatguidance system that's trying to
guide you to something else,something different, wrapped
into an unhealthy job orunhealthy relationship or
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unhealthy friendship or whateverlike that leaks over into your
kids.
And so when they see that,they're just like, I guess this
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is what I can look forward to asan adult.
Or, on the flip side, if thosekids see something else, right,
like kids become a version oftheir parents, right, even
though their parents might belike don't do what I do, right,
if they see their parent doingsomething every day, day in, day
out, they're likely going toadopt those same type of
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behaviors.
So, yeah, yeah.
I want to say one more thingabout kind of that heaven
umbrella, and this is outsidethe box and inside the box, okay
(20:00):
, I'm ready for it.
If someone truly believes thatthe Jesus Christ story did
happen 2000 years ago and herocked out with 12 disciples,
right.
If somebody truly believes thatthat means that it is actually
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possible for you to put yourhand on somebody and heal them.
It's happened in the humanexperience.
Now fast forward to today andwe just think about all the
different jobs and rather it'sAI taking over or dead-end jobs
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or just things that just don'tfeel fulfilling.
Imagine if a heavenly humanpathway opened up some new
enhancement in just like thespirit being part of our lived
experience.
And it's like, oh Lord, she's ahealer, right.
Like she has that heavenlyessence to heal, rather it's
through touch, rather it'sthrough her voice, rather it's
through dance.
Like she has that heavenlyessence to heal, rather it's
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through touch, rather it'sthrough her voice, rather it's
through dance.
Like she just has that thing,or Mondo has it, right.
And so when I just think aboutjust the human story, just as a
whole mind, body, spirit it'slike mind, we're killing it like
breakthroughs and technologyevery day.
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It seems like right, like wejust continue to grow body.
If you look at athletes,they're performing at a crazy
level, like Olympians, or likerecord after record, just people
doing amazing things.
And so, if mind and body areelevating, what's peak
performance spirit Like?
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What's the breakthrough in peakperformance spirit?
Well, if we look back to 2000years ago, well, jesus was an
embodiment of that becomes to.
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This is me like just being Mondoto even out the inequities in
the world.
Because tech is dominating,because certain people have all
the power, does the spirit stepin and offer a new something
right?
Because, like, they went onthis spiritual journey to like,
get that extra thing.
And so my belief is God ismerciful.
God is going to somehow, someway infuse some other thing into
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the story, where that person inthe middle, or that person at
the bottom, or that person thatendured, or that person that
their whole life was, just likeGod.
I believe in you and I know youare going to deliver something
great, like they are going tohave a unique gift and it's
going to completely change thetrajectory of the entire story.
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Because, for somehow, some way,some reason, because everything
comes full circle and I don'twant to put this out there like
in a negative way some reasonbecause everything comes full
circle and I don't want to putthis out there like in a
negative way, but the mostpowerful people that didn't get
there the right way, they'regoing to have to go back to that
person in a community that theystepped on to help heal their
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grandma to help heal themselves,to help heal their daughter.
It's just how the story works.
It's the only.
I don't want to say it's theonly way, but it is such a great
way to humble somebody havingto walk back and be like yo.
I apologize, I have to bebetter.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
And so, uh well, we're living through like this
is the like, the greatestawakening, like we're literally
living through it right now andand and that's part of why we're
coming together is like okay,because things, when you start
things feel shaky, likesomething that you thought was
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so foundational.
You're like, gosh, is that?
What do I even believe?
Right, what is real, what's notreal, you know, and it just we
don't claim to have all theanswers, but we're so curious
and like, the more curious youare, I do believe you will
receive the answers and like itwas just I gotta tell you a
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story that so I am learningQigong, which is like nothing
I'd ever imagined learning in myentire life.
But as I'm learning to work withmy body and energy, what
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happened is one of my kids gotreally sick and the
practitioners just expectSometimes, when you continue to
work on yourself and raise yourvibration, like there's going to
be other people around you thatpurge, like literally, like
darkness purging.
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And so my son, just out of theblue, who had literally gotten
sick three weeks ago, got sickagain and I reached out to him.
He's like, yeah, like this is,this is nothing to be, um, you
know, like worried about.
But I'm like how can I help him?
How can I help him?
He just working through thisand he, he just helped me see
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that, like that, like the morethat we confront our own
darkness, and like see it forwhat it is like somehow it like
doesn't have power over usanymore.
And I think about how many timesin certain environments, when
we'd see something dark it was,we were told to just pretend
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like you didn't see it or stuffit down.
And no, now it gets to bebrought to the light and the
light will heal, the light willtransform, the light will love.
And I just am like what ishappening?
Because then two days later, myson comes to me and he's like
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in tears and he goes and he'slike visibly upset.
He's like mom, I don't want togo to hell.
And I was just like what, wheredid that come from?
And he was just sobbing, he hadthese visions and so I had this
whole talk about him.
I'm like, oh my gosh, honey, no, no, no, no, no.
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Like we get to live heaven onearth and then we'd have this
whole conversation about what?
does heaven on earth look like?
And I just felt like, eventhough I feel like half of
parenting is like you're makingit up as you go.
I felt equipped to be able tohave this conversation with my
son, who was just so distraughtand had just all of this
darkness he's seeing, and thenwe get to talk about what does
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it mean in this family to liveheaven on earth, and what does
that look like.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
This son is how old?
Which son is this Ten?
Oh, okay, yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
Wow, does that look like?
This sun is.
How old?
Which one is this 10?
Oh, okay, yeah, wow.
But also like, okay, this iswhat happens when you start
really taking seriously, likeworking on yourself and being
mindful of what kind of energyyou're even bringing into your
home.
I mean, I know we kind oftouched on this a little bit
before, but I was like like, ohmy gosh, I am totally
responsible for the dysfunctionin my household, cause that was
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my own stuff that I brought.
And there were just.
They were just like littlemirrors for me.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
Man that's so powerful.
Just hearing it's just likejust hearing a 10-year-old
navigate that and have a personor people in his life to start
equipping him with the toolsright now.
Well, at 13, dude's going to bewalking around like a whole
light, you know.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
And he was telling me in the car he goes yeah, mom, I
talk to Jesus every day.
I'm like you do.
I'm like so do I?
Yeah.
What are your conversationslike?
Yeah.
And he goes.
Yeah, when, I you know,sometimes I walk by people you
know, especially people inwheelchairs, I just pray over
them.
I was like, I'm like look athim, I just tears, tears, tears.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
Hey, that is so epic, just hearing that is so epic,
just hearing that is so epic.
I'm kind of lost for wordsbecause at 10 years old, I
didn't even know what I believedat 10 years old.
So let me ask a question whenyou coach, is it spiritual, yes,
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and Christ, or is it Christ,yes, and spiritual?
Speaker 2 (29:09):
Does that make sense?
Speaker 1 (29:10):
Yeah, I don't know, pay follow um.
If somebody is going to hireLaura as a coach, is it clear to
them she's a follower of Jesusor is it?
Laura can help me with myspiritual breakthrough.
Maybe she'll guide me to Jesus,but I don't know.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
Gosh, I don't know.
I don't know the answer to that.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
I mean, we definitely talk about faith with everyone
that I'm coaching right now,with everyone that I'm coaching
right now, but I think that's anew unlock for me to go deeper,
and the reason why I just Ibring that up because I'll never
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forget and I sent you thisvoice message the other day I'll
never forget the visual thatyou told me about writing Jesus
on that canvas and the bloodflowing down.
For some reason, just that isetched in my mind.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
Do you know how much I sobbed and sobbed, and sobbed
and sobbed, like that was allpart of my healing.
That was, that was 2023.
Oh, 2023.
It was Laura's spiral year.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
That's episode zero for anybody.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
Yeah, but like that's so.
It's like yeah, he washed awayall of that.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
And so, anyways, I've just been like very cognizant
of that, of like there are allthese other different pieces of
the puzzle that need to befulfilled or looked at or
touched or washed.
But if you never actually getyour Jesus piece, then those
things aren't fully washed,they're just covered or they're
just hidden and so I've beendoing my best to be like Mondo
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how are you leading and how areyou showing up?
And, for me personally, makesure there's no doubt like where
your center is, and uh, that'sjust been something very just
key in my growth and development.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
That's the biggest takeaway I'm going to take from
our conversation today.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
Dope.
Yeah Well, thanks for listeningand we're out of here.
Peace, peace.
On this episode, laura and I have a rollercoaster
conversation where we touch oninfidelity, judgment and Jesus
Christ.
This segment is radicallytransparent and we unpack what
it looks like to become amerciful and pure-hearted
peacemaker, aka Heavenly Human.
So let's jump right in.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Like have mercy.
What does that mean?
Speaker 1 (00:31):
So I was actually thinking about that one the most
today Because, pure in heart, Ifeel like I've always been that
Also, being a peacemaker,trying to make sure ain't nobody
fighting and arguing orwhatever.
I was always skilled at that,but mercy is something that I
(00:53):
needed to experience first tounderstand it.
So I won't go on a long story,but through my faith walk there
was a season where it justlooked like Armageddon was going
to happen, like everything wasgoing to crumble.
If it's just like A equals B,equals C, Well, man, if C hits
(01:17):
ABC, like I just see thishappening.
And then God was just like no,no, no, no, no.
Like I show mercy, we're nevergoing to get to see Right, this
is going to be A, B, A, B, A, B.
And just the fear that God putin my spirit to like show me,
this thing can happen.
(01:37):
I have control over this thinghappening, but I'm not going to
let it happen because you'rebeing obedient.
Let it happen because you'rebeing obedient, Because I
experienced that so many times,over and over and over.
I was like, oh, how do I becomea more merciful person?
So I'll give you an example.
(01:58):
This is you talk about old Mondo, new Mondo or old Laura, new
Laura, Old Mondo, new Mondo orold Laura, new Laura.
Old Mondo was extremely selfish.
We talk about this right, butone of my selfish qualities was
my relationship with significantothers and for me it was
(02:25):
oftentimes counter to atraditional relationship.
So old Mondo used to look atmarriage right and like 50%
success rate.
I'm a problem solver.
Those odds don't work for me,so I just can't opt into that
(02:47):
lifestyle because it justdoesn't make sense.
And so I was more of adepending on the season of life.
I was more of a openrelationship, multiple partners
or I didn't mind being the sidedude for somebody who had a
partner and sometimes even had aspouse, and I was able to
(03:12):
reconcile that because I wasalways honest, Like up front.
I would always say like this ismy reason for being here, this
is what I can offer, this iswhat I'm unwilling to offer,
Choose in or out right.
Like I didn't want tomanipulate somebody and hide
stuff or whatever.
(03:32):
I was just always up front.
And what I found through thatjourney is that truth typically
led to a lot of opt-ins.
Like it felt different, it feltrefreshing to the other party
to just hear somebody say thethings out loud and then be like
I'm open to explore that.
(03:54):
I bring that up because insituations where I was in union
for the lack of a better wordwith someone who had a spouse,
there was a better version of mewould have shown some different
(04:14):
mercy.
I would have took a step backand been like, oh well, if you
have kids, maybe I shouldn'tRight.
Or if your husband X Y Z, maybeI shouldn't Right.
Or if your husband X Y Z, maybeI shouldn't, Even though you're
willing to opt in.
I have to show mercy in a way,because I know eventually this
(04:36):
is going to blow up in your face, not mine.
Right.
I'm the single man that can justleave and come, and so many of
times I would step in.
It would be amazing and dopefor months or years or whatever,
and then it will blow up in theother person's face and then
they would have to then pick upthe pieces.
And now I'm, like Mondo, beinga better version of yourself is
(05:02):
showing mercy, knowing thatthat's the outcome.
And so, one, don't even putyourself in that position, but
two, if that seems to just fallinto your lap somehow, you have
to turn it down Right, becauseyou know it is not of.
(05:28):
It was aligned with myrelationship with other partners
.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Well, first of all I mean thanks for being so
vulnerable with that.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
Yeah, yeah.
I mean there was a season in mylife where everybody in my
inner circle knew I was theoddball when it came to
relationships, right LikeMondo's just going to do what
Mondo is going to do.
But I just always felt I neverfelt like the villain because I
never misled anybody.
(05:57):
And still I reached theseintersections in my life where I
was like I still have to bebetter.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Did you reach a point in your your faith?
Walk where you're like oh, Ineed to ask for forgiveness for
that.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
So I'll say no.
And here's why.
And this might be somethingthat I have to reflect on when,
when I saw just talk aboutmarried women specifically and
it's not like I've messed withlike 50 married women, I'm not
saying that as just a couple,but when I would mess, when I
(06:35):
had a relationship with amarried human, I somehow
reconciled that this personfeels stuck.
They are unwilling to be braveand do the brave thing, which is
say something out loud to yourpartner or leave it because it's
(06:57):
unhealthy or whatever.
And so to me I was like well,I'm adding value to your life,
right, like somehow, some way,like that is how it worked in my
head, like somehow I am ashepherd in your life to help
you become more brave or take abold step or get caught and get
(07:18):
pushed Right and start the newcycle in your life.
And so I never had to ask forforgiveness to me because I just
never felt that need.
It was like those things didhappen and it blew up.
But like, fast forward, I'mlike everything happens exactly
(07:42):
how it should.
Why I'm not going to say likeGod sent me there to mess up the
why.
I'm not going to say like Godsent me there to mess up the
marriage.
Like I'm not going to say that,but I just never felt the need
or desire to like ask forforgiveness, given my truth.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
I don't know why this came to me, but like someone's
listening to this and they'retotally judging you right now.
Oh, yeah.
They're totally judging youright now.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Oh yeah, they're totally judging you, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
And I think that's part of my gift is that I just
see things from so manydifferent perspectives, like I
invite so many differentperspectives, and I can like
literally hear people chirpingin my ear of what their
responses would be to what youjust said, and I can hear all
the responses and yet I'm likethat's something for them to
(08:31):
work out.
Yeah.
Like whatever you're judging,that's, that's your stuff.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
I agree.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
But like that's.
That is like.
What we're getting at is howmany times are we pointing the
finger at someone else, sayingyou're in the wrong, I'm a
better person than you because X, Y, Z.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
Yeah, that's so spot on.
That's like like how?
Speaker 2 (08:57):
how many of us are just pointing at other people
being like I'm this way becauseyou made me this way?
Dang that's versus going backto a previous recording we had
about radical responsibilitytaking radical responsibility If
you're feeling something likethat's yours, that's not someone
(09:19):
else's, that's yours.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
And I think that's so powerful and and also like I've
discovered through my walk,that the things that I judge
others on or may pause and belike oh dang, I'm judging
somebody Right, like like thosethings typically like find their
(09:46):
way into my life where I'm inthe reverse position.
Rather, it's somebody close tome now navigating that Like
let's just say it's a cousin anda cousin is going through it
and I'm like, oh man, that otherperson is just Mondo Right.
Like and I'm just like oh okay.
So then I have a different levelof empathy, because maybe the
person in my life on the otherside is navigating like that.
(10:09):
And so I definitely would sayhaving a daughter played a huge
role in my shift, because once Irecognized that like everything
comes full circle, yeah Right,I was like there's no way I'm
going to continue this behavior.
If now in my awareness, I thinkthis could lead to my daughter
(10:31):
having to experience this, now,early on, when this was
happening, like that wasn't partof my awareness, but as soon as
it was, as soon as that becamelike a maybe it was like well,
then you might want to changeyour behavior.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
And so could there have been a way it came into
your awareness sooner.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
Yeah, I don't, I don't know and I don't even
think it's.
I don't think it was necessaryto come into my awareness sooner
, because maybe I wouldn't havethe courage to talk out loud
about it like I am right now.
Yeah, yeah, enough.
Things happen in a way thatAllows me to, like, not look at
(11:12):
that version of myself with anyshame.
It allows me to not look atthat version of myself with any
shame.
The things that I had toreconcile with certain humans, I
reconciled those things, and soI just have a lot of grace at
this point.
And yeah, here's an example.
(11:32):
Here's an example of grace.
I know grace isn't one of thethings that I said, but I think
we should add grace onto it.
It seems like it.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
It really seems like think about this how many people
judge themselves?
When they should be could begiving themselves grace.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
Grace.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Cause that.
So, when I think about my wholecycle of, I mean, I've always
had this thing about me of likealways wanting to be better,
always like reaching for, uh,the peak version of myself.
But I was in a cycle of ofalways thinking I needed to
improve, like it was almost likestuck in the cycle of like,
(12:13):
well, I need to do more healing,I need to do this and do that,
versus all I needed to do wasrelease judgment.
When you release judgment,that's when you can go into this
like, oh, I'm whole andcomplete and loved as I am.
(12:34):
Yeah.
Like versus.
I always need to be fixingmyself.
I always need to be gettingbetter.
Like you could literally stayin that cycle your entire life.
I agree.
Versus you can then make adecision, decide oh, I love
myself, yeah, not from like anegoic perspective, but just I
(13:03):
can look at myself in the mirrorand not berate myself and not
be my worst critic.
And so getting from that alwaysperpetual cycle of I'm not
enough.
I need to do more.
I need to be more.
I need to whatever more I needto fix people.
I need to do more.
I need to be more, I need towhatever more.
I need to fix people.
I need to change things.
Like you could just releasejudgment of like maybe it is
exactly the way it's supposed tobe and then move into complete,
(13:25):
unconditional love.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
I love that.
I I'll I'll sidestep grace fora second Cause.
I want to go to theunconditional love piece,
aligned with heavenly human, Iwould say on an abstract level.
When I just think about theimagination of humans, I think
about Disney World, Right, andI'm like we have, when I say
(13:50):
Disney World, like there's aslight smile like oh yeah.
Disney World is good.
I don't know if you've been toDisney World, but it's just a
magical place and if you ask 100people about Disney World, 99
are going to have a positive,good-feeling response response.
The reason why heavenly humanhit for me was because when
(14:20):
somebody says heaven, nothingabout heaven feels wicked or
nasty or ugly.
It has just been planted intoour psyche with such positive
energy and essence that if youchoose to embody whatever you
(14:43):
believe, heavenly human is howyou are going to operate in
heaven.
Well, it's going to looksomething like Disney World,
(15:06):
like that type of energy, right?
And so I feel like there are somany like sub categories and
identities.
Rather, I'm and we're arguingwith each other because you're
an opposition to my subculture,right?
However, like heaven is anumbrella, like nobody's, like,
well, I'm on the West side ofheaven and we don't mess with
(15:28):
people on the East side ofheaven, like that's not even a
thing.
And so the imagination ofheavenly human allows people to
like, kind of build their owncharacter, but know, like, if I
make a choice that iscondescending or backstabbing or
(15:51):
unhealthy, you know, without adoubt, that's not heavenly,
right, like you check yourself,you're just like yeah, god, I
know that wasn't heavenly.
Let me, let me get better.
And so this whole like push forheavenly human, a lot of it is
just being able to self-assessbecause you know in your mind
(16:13):
and in your heart yeah, you havean internal guidance system.
Yes.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
You have an internal guidance system and, like I
think that might be part of whya lot of people feel
misalignment, is because theirinternal guidance system is like
leading them somewhere else andtheir logical mind is saying
Nope, Nope, Nope.
Yeah.
And, like that guidance systemis going to keep after you until
(16:44):
you make some changes or untilyou make some bold choices.
I just I that that's my beliefsystem, whether you want to
believe that or not.
Um, because you're here toexpand, because you're here to
expand, you're here to express,you're here to explore, and many
of us clearly are like thiswhole way of life that we've
(17:08):
been living.
We're like we don't want ourkids to do that.
Right.
I was like I literally look atso many, so many people.
They do not want their childrento do what they're doing, dang
that's real and when I ask them,I'm like, okay, well, what is
your dream?
(17:30):
like so many people haven't evengiven themselves permission to
dream, but, like, when you canget back in touch with that
imagination, that play, all thatit's, it will come to you.
And it might not even be likethis you have to quit your job.
It might just be go play withyour kids, go take your wife out
(17:53):
to dinner, go re-engage withsomeone in your community.
Like you're going to get theselittle nudges and then, when you
follow the nudge, that's where,like the feel good chemicals
come in.
It's like your brain gives youthese hits of like oh yeah, more
of that, please.
Yeah.
More of that, please.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
You're tuning into that younger version of yourself
, that kid version, that kidspirit.
I mean.
Every morning, now again, justto build or reach back to an old
routine routine.
I eat cereal every morning,poured my life cereal, got my
milk.
There, looking at the back ofthe cereal box and just like, oh
(18:35):
, my gosh, just that, it's justlike.
Oh, I remember doing this sofrequently.
No phone, no, you know.
And so, yeah, I think it sparkssomething else.
When you to your point, thatguidance system that's trying to
guide you to something else,something different, wrapped
into an unhealthy job orunhealthy relationship or
(18:55):
unhealthy friendship or whateverlike that leaks over into your
kids.
And so when they see that,they're just like, I guess this
(19:18):
is what I can look forward to asan adult.
Or, on the flip side, if thosekids see something else, right,
like kids become a version oftheir parents, right, even
though their parents might belike don't do what I do, right,
if they see their parent doingsomething every day, day in, day
out, they're likely going toadopt those same type of
(19:39):
behaviors.
So, yeah, yeah.
I want to say one more thingabout kind of that heaven
umbrella, and this is outsidethe box and inside the box, okay
(20:00):
, I'm ready for it.
If someone truly believes thatthe Jesus Christ story did
happen 2000 years ago and herocked out with 12 disciples,
right.
If somebody truly believes thatthat means that it is actually
(20:20):
possible for you to put yourhand on somebody and heal them.
It's happened in the humanexperience.
Now fast forward to today andwe just think about all the
different jobs and rather it'sAI taking over or dead-end jobs
(20:43):
or just things that just don'tfeel fulfilling.
Imagine if a heavenly humanpathway opened up some new
enhancement in just like thespirit being part of our lived
experience.
And it's like, oh Lord, she's ahealer, right.
Like she has that heavenlyessence to heal, rather it's
through touch, rather it'sthrough her voice, rather it's
through dance.
Like she has that heavenlyessence to heal, rather it's
(21:06):
through touch, rather it'sthrough her voice, rather it's
through dance.
Like she just has that thing,or Mondo has it, right.
And so when I just think aboutjust the human story, just as a
whole mind, body, spirit it'slike mind, we're killing it like
breakthroughs and technologyevery day.
(21:28):
It seems like right, like wejust continue to grow body.
If you look at athletes,they're performing at a crazy
level, like Olympians, or likerecord after record, just people
doing amazing things.
And so, if mind and body areelevating, what's peak
performance spirit Like?
(21:48):
What's the breakthrough in peakperformance spirit?
Well, if we look back to 2000years ago, well, jesus was an
embodiment of that becomes to.
(22:12):
This is me like just being Mondoto even out the inequities in
the world.
Because tech is dominating,because certain people have all
the power, does the spirit stepin and offer a new something
right?
Because, like, they went onthis spiritual journey to like,
get that extra thing.
And so my belief is God ismerciful.
God is going to somehow, someway infuse some other thing into
(22:38):
the story, where that person inthe middle, or that person at
the bottom, or that person thatendured, or that person that
their whole life was, just likeGod.
I believe in you and I know youare going to deliver something
great, like they are going tohave a unique gift and it's
going to completely change thetrajectory of the entire story.
(22:58):
Because, for somehow, some way,some reason, because everything
comes full circle and I don'twant to put this out there like
in a negative way some reasonbecause everything comes full
circle and I don't want to putthis out there like in a
negative way, but the mostpowerful people that didn't get
there the right way, they'regoing to have to go back to that
person in a community that theystepped on to help heal their
(23:25):
grandma to help heal themselves,to help heal their daughter.
It's just how the story works.
It's the only.
I don't want to say it's theonly way, but it is such a great
way to humble somebody havingto walk back and be like yo.
I apologize, I have to bebetter.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
And so, uh well, we're living through like this
is the like, the greatestawakening, like we're literally
living through it right now andand and that's part of why we're
coming together is like okay,because things, when you start
things feel shaky, likesomething that you thought was
(24:10):
so foundational.
You're like, gosh, is that?
What do I even believe?
Right, what is real, what's notreal, you know, and it just we
don't claim to have all theanswers, but we're so curious
and like, the more curious youare, I do believe you will
receive the answers and like itwas just I gotta tell you a
(24:33):
story that so I am learningQigong, which is like nothing
I'd ever imagined learning in myentire life.
But as I'm learning to work withmy body and energy, what
(24:54):
happened is one of my kids gotreally sick and the
practitioners just expectSometimes, when you continue to
work on yourself and raise yourvibration, like there's going to
be other people around you thatpurge, like literally, like
darkness purging.
(25:15):
And so my son, just out of theblue, who had literally gotten
sick three weeks ago, got sickagain and I reached out to him.
He's like, yeah, like this is,this is nothing to be, um, you
know, like worried about.
But I'm like how can I help him?
How can I help him?
He just working through thisand he, he just helped me see
(25:41):
that, like that, like the morethat we confront our own
darkness, and like see it forwhat it is like somehow it like
doesn't have power over usanymore.
And I think about how many timesin certain environments, when
we'd see something dark it was,we were told to just pretend
(26:03):
like you didn't see it or stuffit down.
And no, now it gets to bebrought to the light and the
light will heal, the light willtransform, the light will love.
And I just am like what ishappening?
Because then two days later, myson comes to me and he's like
(26:25):
in tears and he goes and he'slike visibly upset.
He's like mom, I don't want togo to hell.
And I was just like what, wheredid that come from?
And he was just sobbing, he hadthese visions and so I had this
whole talk about him.
I'm like, oh my gosh, honey, no, no, no, no, no.
(26:53):
Like we get to live heaven onearth and then we'd have this
whole conversation about what?
does heaven on earth look like?
And I just felt like, eventhough I feel like half of
parenting is like you're makingit up as you go.
I felt equipped to be able tohave this conversation with my
son, who was just so distraughtand had just all of this
darkness he's seeing, and thenwe get to talk about what does
(27:16):
it mean in this family to liveheaven on earth, and what does
that look like.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
This son is how old?
Which son is this Ten?
Oh, okay, yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
Wow, does that look like?
This sun is.
How old?
Which one is this 10?
Oh, okay, yeah, wow.
But also like, okay, this iswhat happens when you start
really taking seriously, likeworking on yourself and being
mindful of what kind of energyyou're even bringing into your
home.
I mean, I know we kind oftouched on this a little bit
before, but I was like like, ohmy gosh, I am totally
responsible for the dysfunctionin my household, cause that was
(27:51):
my own stuff that I brought.
And there were just.
They were just like littlemirrors for me.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
Man that's so powerful.
Just hearing it's just likejust hearing a 10-year-old
navigate that and have a personor people in his life to start
equipping him with the toolsright now.
Well, at 13, dude's going to bewalking around like a whole
light, you know.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
And he was telling me in the car he goes yeah, mom, I
talk to Jesus every day.
I'm like you do.
I'm like so do I?
Yeah.
What are your conversationslike?
Yeah.
And he goes.
Yeah, when, I you know,sometimes I walk by people you
know, especially people inwheelchairs, I just pray over
them.
I was like, I'm like look athim, I just tears, tears, tears.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
Hey, that is so epic, just hearing that is so epic,
just hearing that is so epic.
I'm kind of lost for wordsbecause at 10 years old, I
didn't even know what I believedat 10 years old.
So let me ask a question whenyou coach, is it spiritual, yes,
(29:03):
and Christ, or is it Christ,yes, and spiritual?
Speaker 2 (29:09):
Does that make sense?
Speaker 1 (29:10):
Yeah, I don't know, pay follow um.
If somebody is going to hireLaura as a coach, is it clear to
them she's a follower of Jesusor is it?
Laura can help me with myspiritual breakthrough.
Maybe she'll guide me to Jesus,but I don't know.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
Gosh, I don't know.
I don't know the answer to that.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
I mean, we definitely talk about faith with everyone
that I'm coaching right now,with everyone that I'm coaching
right now, but I think that's anew unlock for me to go deeper,
and the reason why I just Ibring that up because I'll never
(29:58):
forget and I sent you thisvoice message the other day I'll
never forget the visual thatyou told me about writing Jesus
on that canvas and the bloodflowing down.
For some reason, just that isetched in my mind.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
Do you know how much I sobbed and sobbed, and sobbed
and sobbed, like that was allpart of my healing.
That was, that was 2023.
Oh, 2023.
It was Laura's spiral year.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
That's episode zero for anybody.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
Yeah, but like that's so.
It's like yeah, he washed awayall of that.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
And so, anyways, I've just been like very cognizant
of that, of like there are allthese other different pieces of
the puzzle that need to befulfilled or looked at or
touched or washed.
But if you never actually getyour Jesus piece, then those
things aren't fully washed,they're just covered or they're
just hidden and so I've beendoing my best to be like Mondo
(31:01):
how are you leading and how areyou showing up?
And, for me personally, makesure there's no doubt like where
your center is, and uh, that'sjust been something very just
key in my growth and development.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
That's the biggest takeaway I'm going to take from
our conversation today.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
Dope.
Yeah Well, thanks for listeningand we're out of here.
Peace, peace.
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