Federal Prison Confessions: Inside the Bureau with Gio Martini

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hector Bravo.
Unhinged chaos is now insession welcome back to our
channels, warriors.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
We are still growing.
Today we have another specialguest, none other than the man,
the myth, the legend, gioMartini.
Some of you guys may know himas a rapper, a good verbal and
the seal for the BOP man federalside.
So here we are, none other thanGio Martini.
Some of you guys may know himas a rapper, a good verbal and
as a CO for the BOP man federalside.
So here we are, none other thanGio.
What up, dude?
How's it going?
Man?
I'm glad to be here, glad youcame down and took the drive,
bro, this is long overdue.

(00:33):
It was a long drive but it wasworth it.
I think we got in contact when,two years ago.

Speaker 1 (00:38):
Yeah, yeah, through Pinta Vibes, pinta vibes,
because uh the vibes, yeah,shout out to pinta vibes yeah,
it was through, uh, because hisclothing, and then I was doing
my music to promote his brand.
And then next thing, you know,like that, you're following me
and I'm like, oh man, I don'teven know what this guy is.

Speaker 2 (00:51):
This is cool well, I saw that we had a lot of
similarities, bro, like army andcorrections.

Speaker 1 (00:55):
Yes, yes, I could relate yeah, honestly, because
that's how I was.
Uh, when I got out of the armyI was trying to go go police and
but at that time, like how, howthe vets were for back then
when they were coming back theywere.
They started having this phasewhere they weren't wanting
anyone that was returning warveterans and they wanted the
younger recruits.

(01:16):
Like the younger people.
Like I got turned down by aRiverside sheriffs LAPD there
was a few.
So then I'm like I don't knowwhat I'm supposed to do now,
because I was trained for onething Right.

Speaker 2 (01:28):
Well, we think we're trained for one thing.

Speaker 1 (01:30):
Yeah, that's what I, and I still feel like that you
know.
So then I was like I don't knowwhat I'm going to do.
Then a friend was like whydon't you try working detention?

Speaker 2 (01:49):
And I worked immigration geo for a little bit
for two years.
Yeah, before we jump to that,where are you from, dude like on
the streets victorville?

Speaker 1 (01:51):
victorville?
Yeah, holy shit, I never metnobody from victorville man,
that makes two of you guysalready.
Yeah, like I literally workedwhere I lived, you know.
So victorville, is that a smalltown?
Uh it, yeah, it is.
It is it's getting biggerbecause it when I so, when I
grew up there, like around 040,2005 is kind of when the markets
are really high and people wereselling in LA and moving down
to Victorville because it wascheaper, so then you get a huge

(02:12):
influx.
So what it was when I was a kid, it was super small.

Speaker 2 (02:15):
Now it's bigger, right, but it's never going to
be like San Diego bigger, right,right right, when you joined
the Geo Detention um, was thatin local or did you have to?

Speaker 1 (02:27):
yeah, that was in atlanta atlanta, which is like
across the street fromvictorville.
Really, yeah, how did you likethat job?
Uh, that's what I met pintavibes at.
To be honest, I don't know.
Yeah, that's where I met him.
Uh, honestly, it was a goodexperience for me, because
you're not allowed to gohands-on there unless they
physically hurt you, like theyhave to touch you.

Speaker 2 (02:47):
You can't oh I think I heard about that bro, not from
you, but I heard about thatfrom somebody else that works in
those.
What are those considered uhprivate or?

Speaker 1 (02:55):
yeah, it's a private prison.
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(03:50):
Yeah, so we were like the we, we, we got paid little, but we did
all isis stuff for them, prettymuch kind of like subcontract,
yeah, private contracting.
Yeah, okay, so you can't gohands-on, um, but with your you
had already served in iraq, yes,when you got there.
So thank you for your serviceright off the top bro no, it's
mutual thank you.
Yeah, appreciate you um did thatyour military service.

Speaker 1 (04:06):
You felt help you inside a detention center it
helped me with initiative, liketaking initiative like I've
always.
So I'm uncomfortable, a lotlike when I do this kind of
stuff or I get behind a camera,but if you put me in an area, in
an environment like that, I Ifelt like I was home, like I
don't know.
I explained it.
It was just like a middle of uh, oh, this is danger.
I kind of like this yeah, andjust right away, calm in the

(04:28):
chaos.
Yes, but what I didn't know howto do yet was use my words as
efficiently as I do now we'lltalk about that, bro.

Speaker 2 (04:38):
Okay, there's no doubt you can handle yourself
physically, but as you start todevelop into a correctional
staff member, you go from fromthe ICE detention center to the
federal Bureau of prisons.
How important was it toverbally communicate with
inmates?

Speaker 1 (04:54):
It was huge.
Like, honestly, what helped meis the.
You know the way I grew up to.
You know I was, uh, I playedbasketball.
I played football and a lot ofthe people that I grew up around
.
You know, I'd have like friendsfrom san bernardino, but they
moved down here but they're fromthe block, yeah, you know.
Or I got dudes that are fromcompton, but they're where I'm
at now.
So now I'm in like the poorneighborhoods, right, so I'm

(05:15):
around that all the time.
So the difference is, when Ijoined the army, I had more of a
culture shock of being aroundall these other people when I
was used to just being aroundblacks and Mexicans growing up,
that's all that I was used to.
What are you white?
I'm white, white and Mexican,but okay, but uh, so, like, when
I think of it that way, um,when I got to work in
corrections, everything that Ilearned on how to use my words

(05:37):
to like avoid, or to like toavoid a conflict instead of
instead of like amping it up um,that helped me.
But my background kicked in,like everything, because I'm
like, okay, this feels like I'min high school again.
Like I, I feel like I knowthese dudes, some people that
you know, I'm like, I feel likeI know him, okay, not not in a
way personally, but it just.
It just felt like I was in highschool yeah, the same type of

(05:59):
demeanors of individuals yes,yes, and it just felt like I was
the security guard there.
Now, you know like, just likewhen I was our security guards
at our school how did you getintroduced to the federal prison
?

Speaker 2 (06:11):
federal bureau of prisons?

Speaker 1 (06:12):
um, the crazy part is there's a base called george
air force base.
Where's that?
It's literally across thestreet from, uh, from, uh, my
bad, it's literally across thestreet from victorville, uh,
from usb victorville, it's uh,now it's like a plant where they
um, it's literally across thestreet from victorville, uh,
from usb victorville, it's uh,now, it's like a plant where
they, um, it's just, it's justused for private flights and
it's all for like, uh, um, like,snapple works there, it's all

(06:33):
that.
But it's an abandoned base andI was born there in 89 and it
shut down in 91.
So I was a kid, we uh, whenthey started building the prison
.
I think they started buildingit in around 2003, 2004.
Well, my bus would go right bythat.

Speaker 2 (06:50):
Now that's the famous , or infamous, victorville
prison.

Speaker 1 (06:52):
Yes, wow, yeah, and then it because there's three
facilities Well, four if youcount the camp but the first one
was FCI-1.
And then they do the FCI-2.
And then the penitentiary.
I might have mixed it upbecause a lot of that was before
me, but the penitentiary wasthe last one that was built and
that was a little bit newer.

Speaker 2 (07:10):
So you're seeing this as a kid.
Damn bro, we have so manysimilarities because I was born
in 84 and then they builtCentinella state prison in
Calipat state prisons down South.
So you're seeing this and I'massuming you probably didn't
have the idea that you wanted towork there.

Speaker 1 (07:24):
No.
And then anybody that I've evermet that says that they wanted
to be a correctional officertheir whole life.
Either their parents were acorrectional officer or I don't
believe that, because no one.
I never walked into prison.
I'm like man, this is my dreamjob, you know.

Speaker 2 (07:39):
But being from Victorville, did you know like,
hey, those neighbors right there, those guys are CEOs.

Speaker 1 (07:44):
I didn't know that until I worked in there.
Then I started seeing peoplethat, yeah, like I went to
school with some people's kidsand I remember seeing them and
all of a sudden I'm like one ofmy close friends.
I've known him since eighthgrade.
I had no idea what his dad didfor work and the next thing, you
know I'm working there and Isee him and know I'm working

(08:09):
there and I see him and I'm likeholy, he works here, you know.
So, yeah, it was.

Speaker 2 (08:11):
It was crazy.
Plus like victorville, likethat was like a beacon of hope
for jobs because there wasnothing else.

Speaker 1 (08:14):
Okay, okay, what type of what year was this?
That was, uh, when I started.
Yeah, uh, 2016, and you startedat victorville?

Speaker 2 (08:19):
yes, holy shit.
And what type of inmates I meanby like levels?
If you could explain thefederal level system and gangs.

Speaker 1 (08:28):
So it's everything to max.
There's a super max.
When you go to Colorado, that'swhere you have like El Chapo
and all that Super max.
Yeah, so us, we're likeliterally below that.
These guys are like one stepaway at the penitentiary.
They're like one bad thing awayfrom getting shipped up there.
So you have everyone you have,you have ma there you have.
You have crips, you have bloods, you have, um, a lot from the

(08:51):
east coast.
Like what kind from the eastcoast?
Uh, you, well, a lot of them.
That's crazy is a lot of peoplewill identify by state there,
like really, yes, like ifthey're from dc or like if
they're from maryland.
Uh, there's certain spotsthey'll say I know DC is not a
state, but inmates claim thatand that's where they're from.
Because with DC inmates,because it's not a state,
everything they do is a federalcrime.
So, like if they get locked up,they're going to a federal

(09:14):
prison, unless it's county time.
So if they're serving time likethat where it's a felony,
they're going straight tofederal prison.
There is no state prison forthem.

Speaker 2 (09:23):
Holy shit.

Speaker 1 (09:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (09:25):
How the fuck did I not know that, or anybody I
don't really think knew that?

Speaker 1 (09:28):
Anybody that works state oh a bad time for my phone
to ring, Don't trip homie.
No Fucking unedited raw Allright, but no, it's my bad.
Let me backtrack.
What are we talking about?
Again?

Speaker 2 (09:41):
We're talking about fucking DC that if you commit a
crime you're going straight tothe feds.

Speaker 1 (09:45):
Oh, yeah, well, so the funny thing about DC inmates
too, is they don't fall underlike some head or some car or
whatever.
If there's five DCs in one room, that each one is their own
individual and they're just fromthe same area.
They don't like have eachother's back like that.
It's more like we had a lot ofissues with them the most.

(10:10):
Now, if you start beating upone of them, will they have each
other's back?
No, they walk away.
Yeah, they walk away.
They walk away.
Oh shit yeah they uh, andhonestly, you can google dc
inmates and you'll see a lot ofinmates talking about how bad,
how much they did not like dcinmates, like you'll hear from
everyone because, uh, like yougot, because they're not, we're
not used to it.
East coast is way differentthan west coast.

Speaker 2 (10:27):
Yeah, yeah, in so many ways man yes music uh
culture in so many ways prisonespecially prison politics.

Speaker 1 (10:34):
So new york bloods would hate california blood
politics because, uh, if you'rea blood here in california
you're rolling with bloods.
Well, with them they have a lotof sets and they have a lot of
different stuff that they rollwith to where they don't want to
fall under the same umbrellawith the California bloods, but
they have to if they don't wantto die but at the same time.

(10:56):
So there's always beef betweenthem like that.
So there's a separation.

Speaker 2 (11:01):
So help me understand this Victorville is in
California If I'm, there's aseparation, so help me
understand this victorville isin california.
If I'm a blood from californiabut yet a blood from new york
comes, does uh bloods fromcalifornia ultimately have
control of that?
Yes, they do yes, why?

Speaker 1 (11:13):
because they're in california.
It's because it's a californiayard.
Yes, wow, yeah, and then amajority of uh.
On the mexican side we have alot of serranos and that's we
can't have.
Like, if you have someone fromthe north come down there,
they're not hitting the yard.
No, nortenos are hitting ouryard.
They would be sent into like asegregation area when they were
just used to transfer the statewas like that up until 2016,

(11:36):
2017.

Speaker 2 (11:38):
And now you have fucking nortenos down south dude
in state prisons.
What the fuck?
Oh, absolutely dude, ironwoodCalipet.
See, that's why it startedrocking for you, no but you have
to understand they're notfighting because of the peace
treaty.
Oh, okay, so I'm assumingthere's no peace treaty in the
feds.

Speaker 1 (11:52):
No, Well, when I was there.
I mean when I left it was neverlike the Norteños would never
hit ABs.
They're different than the ABs.
They're called the AryanBrotherhoods of Texas.
It's a difference, it's adifferent thing, and them and
Aryan Brotherhood don't getalong Really.
Yeah, and then it could havechanged, since I've been,
because ever since I left, I'vebeen out of touch, right.

Speaker 2 (12:15):
Now.
But when you say they don't getalong, is it like on site there
was a war.

Speaker 1 (12:18):
Yeah, they could not be around each other.
You got like they have a bunchof different stuff that I never
really like Sons of Arian Circle, they have all these different
like subsects and all these.

Speaker 2 (12:32):
It was hard to track.
Now, who's telling you theycan't be with each other?
Is this something that thehigher up administration
segregates, or are you on yourown?
Or is it policy?
Hey, never let these two guyscross paths.

Speaker 1 (12:44):
I don't believe it's a policy, what it is, it's just
a comment.
It's like a.
It's something they do to avoidproblems, like at what level
though?
Uh, higher than us, that thatgoes to region, that's like
that's way up.
That's what they're saying, ithonestly, and that's all going
from, uh, the investigativeservices, whatever they deem it
fit.
So it's, it's our control.
Like we don't even know.
Like when I work segregation,we don't know who the person is

(13:08):
until they get there.
Then we find out what they areand they're like okay.
So when we put him in a cell,we have to make sure that he
can't go with, you know, asereno.

Speaker 2 (13:16):
I've heard some of your music right, and I gather
that you did work segregationnumerous times.
What do you guys call that SHU?
Yeah, the special housing unit.
Special housing unit, notsecurity housing unit.
No, Now is Erie SHU in thefacility of Victorville.

Speaker 1 (13:31):
Yes, usp Victorville, what is?

Speaker 2 (13:32):
it a separate part of the prison.

Speaker 1 (13:35):
As part.
No, each one is like connectedto the.
It's like a, it's almost like a, it's like a triangle, like
when I'm looking, I when I thinkof above it, you know, yeah, um
, the pen, it's all in, it's allinside the same fence is it
indoors or outdoor?
pen, or you got like outdoorthey have outdoor recreation and
then in the units are obviouslythere.
Those are inside, but it's morelike a.

(13:57):
There's a hallway that connectsit all the way around, so you
walk all the way around, andthere's corridors that lead you
to shoes.
So it's not a separate building, okay, but it's.
It is tucked away far on theside you know over here and over
here is where the units.
So you got shoe here and thenyou got six units this way.
So if an inmate does somethingbad.

Speaker 2 (14:15):
What do they do?

Speaker 1 (14:15):
they get escorted by walking to the shoe yeah, if
they do something bad, yeah,we'll cuff them up and then
escort them and you guys dounclosed body search.

Speaker 2 (14:22):
Yes, maybe wand them.

Speaker 1 (14:24):
Yeah, the procedure me the, the way it is when you
first happens uh, the the shoe,uh the shoe staff will be the
ones that do all the wanding andall that could you walk us
through the procedure?

Speaker 2 (14:33):
let's say, I'm a I don't know mexican inmate and I
stab another mexican inmate andI caused great bodily injury.
I'm pretty sure I'm going tothe shoe right.
Yes, what would be the process?
From the, from the floor, cops,all the way to getting them to
the shoe from us.

Speaker 1 (14:46):
It's, it's, it's immediate.
We lock the yard down like nomatter what, just just for just
whatever.
If we hear stabbing um, every,every officer in the units, once
they hear something gettingcalled over the radio, they'll
start locking their units down,just in case.
If they're gonna have to besecondary staff to respond, and
then us, the responding staff.
I work compound a lot otherthan shoe and compound.

(15:08):
I don't know if you guys callit that and state, but I was a
yard officer pretty much all theyard, that's what you guys call
compound.
Yeah it's the same shit thanyard cop yeah, so I was compound
and we'd be the first responderand obviously we see two things
and it's where it's two inmatesfighting.
So we're doing what it's to douh, try to subdue them and then,
once get them, we separate themand we escort them.

(15:29):
A lot of times when it's likethat, when it's a stabbing, the
victim is obviously going to gettaken to medical and the person
that stabs he's going straightto SHU.
And the reason why he goesstraight to SHU is because that
was admin staff of keeping aneye on us to where they.
That way the inmates cuffed upand nothing happens to him on
the way from where you get himto shoot so he doesn't get beat

(15:49):
up.

Speaker 2 (15:49):
Yeah, okay, and then SHU staff are ready to receive
him.
They're probably prepping thecell or getting a bedroll.

Speaker 1 (15:58):
Yeah, like when I was in there, like if you hear a
fight on the yard we're like allright, we got to.
You hear that coming out.
You have SHU staff that respondout too.

Speaker 2 (16:06):
Really so.
Shu staff responds what's thereason behind that?

Speaker 1 (16:12):
There's only two, because we have the weapons.
So if you respond from SHU,you'll get the non-lethal
weapons, just in case, andyou're the last response or the
secondary response that, hey, wecan't subdue it, we need
weapons.

Speaker 2 (16:22):
What do the weapons consist?

Speaker 1 (16:23):
of.
You have the pepper ball, youhave the L1 launcher.
It's the baton, the foam batonlauncher, 40 millimeter, yes.
And then we had the L8s.
It's like a circle, it's like acannon.
So we had that, and then thepepper balls and the batons.

Speaker 2 (16:38):
Are you guys instructed not to shoot them in
the face with the pepper balls?

Speaker 1 (16:41):
Yes, anywhere that's in the chest and below, but
sometimes things happen you know, oh, I hear you man, it's
called lag time.

Speaker 2 (16:48):
They move around.
Yeah, exactly, I couldn't.

Speaker 1 (16:51):
My zero wasn't right.

Speaker 2 (16:53):
Exactly, you were the wind fucking.

Speaker 1 (16:55):
Yeah, and then after that, then once we get them
there, then the inmate will staycuffed Both of them will
because then they have to do anafter force video and then they
have to get evaluated on camerawith medical.
That's every incident, yes,every incident, Holy shit.
Yeah, they have to, becausethen the nurse, obviously, if
the person is like bleeding out,like it's not like a hold on,

(17:16):
keep them like where he'sgetting transported.
You know he's going to go out,he's going to go to the hospital
.

Speaker 2 (17:21):
Now you guys are putting them on video to
document injuries, but is therea form to document the injuries?

Speaker 1 (17:28):
documented the injuries.
Yes, the lieutenants fill thatout.
So the lieutenants will have amain sheet and then medical will
have ones where, like, uh, theytell, they say on the video,
you know, uh, the inmate has anabrasion right here on right leg
, and start pointing out all thestuff.
And then they fill out theforms.
For us all we have to do is doa memo saying that what, what
you did while you wereparticipating in the video well,
that's cool.

Speaker 2 (17:47):
What does the shoe setup look like?
Does it look like like lowertier, higher tier?

Speaker 1 (17:51):
yes, we had six ranges, so you have a range, b
range, and then c range, d range, and then e range, f range, so
they're all stacked up and it'slike you're looking at it and
it's like a baseball field isthe only way that I can say,
that's the way I can say it.
The best right, you know, leftfield is, uh, you know, ab, and
then middle is center field, islike, so on and so forth.

Speaker 2 (18:13):
What does the front of the cell door look like.
Is it steel?
Some have bars, some haveplexiglass.

Speaker 1 (18:18):
Oh, it's a steel door .
Solid steel with windows, yeah,with a little window about this
big.

Speaker 2 (18:24):
Food port on there.

Speaker 1 (18:25):
Yes, the food slot.
I hated that.
Why?
Because inmates would aboutlike that food port on there.
Yes, the the food slot that was.
I hated that.
Why?
Uh, because inmates would holdit a lot and we couldn't do
anything about it.
So like, if, uh, we go to openthe trap and you go to uh feed
them, they stick their arm out.
And I want to speak to alieutenant and now.

Speaker 2 (18:40):
Did you ever hear any old folk tales that maybe back
in the day they used to breaktheir fucking arm in the food
port?

Speaker 1 (18:46):
oh, yeah, that you, yeah, you've heard that
absolutely, because I meanthere's always days where people
talk about you know, in the daythey used to break their
fucking arm in the food port.
Oh, yeah, yeah, you've heardthat.
Absolutely, Because I meanthere's always days where people
talk about you know in the pastwhere, like there's no cameras,
you know, Right, Stuff happens.

Speaker 2 (18:54):
Oh, is there cameras in your?

Speaker 1 (18:55):
day and age.
Yeah, yeah, when I got there,it was.

Speaker 2 (18:58):
There was I don't remember.
I don't know when all that gotinstituted.
So so, as a federal cop, yousee an inmate stick his hand out
the food port.
What is your policy supposed touse?

Speaker 1 (19:18):
uh, you talk to him first.
You talk to him, try to seewhat's going on and if he
doesn't, if he doesn't comply,then you would walk off the
range and then you tell thelieutenant what's on and then
lieutenant would go down thereand speak.
But meanwhile, until someonecomes down there, every time,
like you do a round, you go withanother staff member and
they'll come with shield, ashield where they'll put it over
the trap so they won't throwanything on you, cause I've had

(19:40):
feces thrown on me and that, oh,you have absolutely, absolutely
in my right here on my neck,and then on my uh, there was two
incidents.
I won't go into full detail onthem, you know, but the I,
literally the inmate, just hadum, it was just runny shit in a
fucking cup, yeah, and so the,the person before um, is the one
that pissed this person, thisinmate, off.

(20:01):
Yeah, and we didn't use theshield at that on that, because
we were wrong.
I was supposed to do that, andwhen we walked by I got shit
thrown on me and it was right inmy fucking neck.

Speaker 2 (20:10):
He had his arm out the food port.
Yes, so basically, the staffmember before you pissed him off
.
He was holding the food port.
You failed to take the shield.
Yeah Boom, he flung somedookies.

Speaker 1 (20:20):
Because he was mad at the other person.
So that's what he was.

Speaker 2 (20:24):
So do you have a body alarm on you or a radio?

Speaker 1 (20:26):
Yeah, radio, it's a body alarm.

Speaker 2 (20:28):
And what do you do?
You call in?
What is it?
What would a code sound likethat, if you're getting gas, Uh,
what?

Speaker 1 (20:33):
that is just uh.
Uh.
Staff needs assistance as quickas you can say it, because when
you say that, like the Calvaryis coming, everybody that's able
bodied medical staff willrespond.
You'll have psychologists thatrespond Damn yeah, if they have
cuffs and they have spray, ifthey, if they haven't that they
were, they're, they'reresponding.

Speaker 2 (20:52):
I didn't realize that the feds were so like on point
like that, bro Cause I had zeroknowledge.

Speaker 1 (20:57):
It's cause everyone that's not like a chaplain or
certain other spots.
They go through the same lawenforcement Academy that we do.
The idea is they kind of likemodel the marines.
It's every, every, uh, everycorrectional officer.
We're all correctional officersfirst, yeah, but that's also a
way that they used to cut ourposts, though, because, like, we
need more actual correctionalstaff on the yard, right, but we

(21:20):
can cut it back a little bitbecause we have a teacher back
there that can do the job, buthe's not on the yard.
It's politics, dude yeah yeah,it's politics, absolutely the
machine.

Speaker 2 (21:28):
Yeah so damn dude.
Do you get to go home, do youget to leave immediately to go
to the hospital and get seen, orhow does that process?

Speaker 1 (21:36):
go yes, um, you get what.
What it is is.
You'll get like a form that youfill out and then, uh me,
because I didn't, I didn'tingest anything like it was just
on here, I didn't have to takethe cocktail that you're
supposed to.
Yeah, but that was also likesomething of precaution, if you
want to, but I didn't want totake it.
And then medical evaluates youask if you're okay and if you
want to go home or not.

(21:57):
You know, like, if you wantdays off or whatever, like
that's just, it's just acontinuation of pay.
Cop.
Did it piss you off?
Oh, hell, yeah, it did.
How mad were you?
I'm mad enough that if, like,if it happened, like, honestly,
I wanted to kill themotherfucker, I'm not going to
lie Like that was the immediatefeeling of anger.

Speaker 2 (22:15):
No, I agree Because thank God I would never gasp,
but I feel I would be thathighly upset.

Speaker 1 (22:21):
Oh, I wanted to kill that motherfucker.
Like I still remember his face.
I'll never forget.
I won't say his name.
I still remember themotherfucker and like so much
that, um, like four years downthe line, he's back in
victorville again, but this timehe was in our transfer unit and
that that's just a unit wherelike a bus will drop him off for
like the night and they'll shipout either a week from now or

(22:42):
today, and he was in there andbut I can't do anything again
because he's behind a door.
Right, right, you know someshit talking all over.

Speaker 2 (22:53):
So real quick inmates like that.
Are they common or are theylike the few and the few in
between?
They're not common.
They're not common, no it's notlike it's.

Speaker 1 (22:59):
Well, it depends.
It depends honestly because itdepends on like the waves,
because sometimes you'll have,you know, February this year,
all of a sudden everyone'sgetting shit down, you know, but
a lot of it it's always, almostall the time, from the East
Coast, From the East Coast, yes,from inmates that are from the
East Coast.
So weird dude they have wholedifferent politics.

Speaker 2 (23:21):
It's not weird because in the state they're all
West Coast and that's normal,bro, they macking me out of
pocket like that is normal,especially in places like
Donovan or the mental healthprisons.

Speaker 1 (23:32):
Yeah, no, when we got an influx back in, like COVID
when it stopped all thetransfers, well, we had a bunch
of.
So we had a thing called SMU.
It's a special management unitthat like inmates that were
deemed too much for shoe butit's like a psychological thing.
They'll send them over there.
But we had like 70 of them onholdover and people were getting

(23:55):
shit down a lot.
So that's what I mean when itcomes in waves, like it was.
We had a whole range that theythought was a cool range to make
because it was called a gunnerrange.
I don't know if you we callinmates that pull out their
dicks and beat off to femalestaff gunners.

Speaker 2 (24:09):
Oh, we don't call them gunners.

Speaker 1 (24:10):
Yeah, well, there's a lot of that.

Speaker 2 (24:12):
Correct.

Speaker 1 (24:13):
And from the East Coast?
Yeah, absolutely, and DC is theDC and I love talking shit
about DC Like I don't care, Ilove it.

Speaker 2 (24:20):
Yes, well, it seems like they do too.

Speaker 1 (24:21):
Yeah, so I DCs anyone .
So anyone from the district ofMaryland.
They call it DMV.
So you got, you got DC, you gotMaryland and you got Virginia.

Speaker 2 (24:33):
That whole area.
Let me ask you something, man.
Honest question.
I know your background becauseit's similar to mine.
You know people that are solidand people that will get down,
people that are down for theirs.
Yes, Do you dislike them?
Because maybe they they're allbark and no bite.

Speaker 1 (24:46):
Yes, yes, because and a lot of times it's exactly
what that is and they're theloudest in shoe and they're the
quietest outside oh, and, and I,and I love that, my face that I
get to fucking say that and I'mon camera for that shit.
Absolutely I'll fucking say Ilove that shit.
Like I love saying that becausethat's exactly what it is.
But you see how?

Speaker 2 (25:04):
I'm tracking like I totally understand it and that
shit agitates Especially.
You know you don't want poopflung in your fucking face.

Speaker 1 (25:10):
Yeah, yeah, and then honestly not to go on this.
But you know, I looked up onYouTube to show a friend and it
was this Mexican dude talkingabout DC inmates and he said I
don't know what it is about DC,but they are certified booty
warriors and that's because, forsome reason, there is a lot of

(25:33):
uncondoned.
Obviously there's a lot of rapecoming from that side.

Speaker 2 (25:35):
Well, let me ask you this man?
I mean, I know how the Sureñosget down, I know how the whites
get down.
How do they like functioningwith DC, blacks or DC?

Speaker 1 (25:44):
They always want them off.
There's always times.
There's always DCs have beenpushed off the yard before in
Victorville.

Speaker 2 (25:49):
But then they came back again.
They've been pushed off theyard, yeah.

Speaker 1 (25:51):
Like they got transferred because you know
there was a race riot that mightbreak out or something.
They get kicked out a lot Likethere's nobody unless you're
from there that likes them andhonestly like.
If you even have inmates fromthe South that say they're just
roll south time, they won't bearound dc inmates because they
used to fight.
They don't like them, theydon't, they don't if they're in
fucking seg, they don't want tofuck with each other.

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You know they, they won't,they'll refuse them damn this.

Speaker 2 (26:15):
See, I'm learning all this new shit.
Dude, I never knew how the fedsgot down another thing, that.

Speaker 1 (26:19):
But the thing that sucks about the feds too.
They like to uh play inmatepolitics like uh, who does uh,
uh, the, the sia staff, likeabove all that.
And the reason why I say thatis you get two guys that come in
and you need to put them in acell while they're asking them,
who do you roll with?
And then you'll have they'relike no, I don't take anybody
from this, and it's like you'rein seg, motherfucker, like you

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guys are on good, and this isthe only cell.
You're going to take them,whether or not, and they'll sit
there and sometimes they'llbarter with them to try to to
make, to make the situation goaway.
So these motherfuckers knowthat.
They yell louder and they bitchand cry, say I need to fucking
see psychology, and then theyget what they want, not all the
time, but oftentimes it happeneda lot.
Let's talk about that you're.

Speaker 2 (26:59):
You're a father as well.
Right, absolutely.
You're a military combatveteran.
Yes, you worked in a prisonaround uh.
Predators yes.
Violent individuals yes.
From your experience, is itbeneficial to barter with
inmates?

Speaker 1 (27:14):
absolutely not, could you?

Speaker 2 (27:15):
elaborate on that for that enable more bad behavior.

Speaker 1 (27:19):
For me, it's like people like they'll try to say
the you know they're humans too,and I'm like, okay, but listen,
when your kid fucks up, like ifhe breaks a window in the house
on purpose, you're're like youknow what, if I gave you a
PlayStation to play right now,would it make you feel better?
You know like, would italleviate all this?
What is it that I can do tomake your life better?
That you had to break myfucking window?
You know like, what do I haveto do to make you feel better?

(27:42):
And then that's shit.
We fucking did.

Speaker 2 (27:49):
And it's not that, it's not we like the lower staff
.

Speaker 1 (27:50):
It's above us, you know.
Oh, I fucking get it.
There's a guy before me.
They called him fucking captainhoney buns, and that's because
this motherfucker would givehoney buns to inmates and shoot
to shut them up, you know, tocalm them down.
I've.
I've seen another lieutenantthat it was during uh covid,
obviously, and they were gettingbag lunches while the.
Well, there was one specificrange, only one range, and it
was also uh b range.

(28:12):
This range, right, there waspretty much a lot of dcs at that
time, it was pretty much thewhole range.
No other range did this, butthey boarded up and they refused
the food.
Well, we had this look, thisfucking lieutenant, like his
hair would like float in the airwhen he'd walk.
It looked like he was a cartoontight ass pants.
How was it doing it?
It was it's because there wasnot much left, but he kept some
there.

Speaker 2 (28:31):
So it just kind of sticks up here yeah, and he wore
tight ass, fucking pants.

Speaker 1 (28:36):
Well, he went down there and eventually, after he
talked to him, he called foodservice and told them to get
them extra chips.
No, so guess what happenedafter that?
So that was like 3 pm.
No, well, the next day, thenext day, the range upstairs is
like oh, I'm gonna throw you,guys got chips, I'm gonna.
So they boarded up and theywere expecting the same thing.
Did they get the same fuck?
No, because that motherfuckerwas not there.

(28:56):
Like we had real lieutenants inthe daytime, you know yeah, so
yeah that.

Speaker 2 (29:02):
That's how it worked, man.
Yeah, I get it, bro.
So, with all this being, didyou end up promoting or did you
ever go up?

Speaker 1 (29:10):
the chain the way it is there.
Like you start off, there'sthree pay scales within it.
You have GS6, gs7, and then GS8.
But at the time for GS8, that'sjust senior officer specialist.
At the time it used to becompetitive.
Once they open it, people willput in for it and then you will
get and hopefully you getselected.
They open it, uh, people willput in for it and then you will

(29:30):
get and hopefully you getselected.
But now they made it so becausethey have such a short like a
hiring that they, uh, they makethat eights automatic now and
lieutenant is nine and above.
I got to, I would.
I was one of the last ones tobe on the part where you get
selected for your eight andthat's where I was.

Speaker 2 (29:44):
I was almost a maxed out eight but did you ever want
to be a lieutenant?
Because you were looking at allthe other lame lieutenants.

Speaker 1 (29:50):
Well, up until my good verbal page.
Yeah, I was going.
I was thinking about it Like,honestly, I had a lot of wardens
that were wanting me to becomeone.

Speaker 2 (29:57):
What was the motivation factor behind that?
Because you felt you could do abetter job than certain ones.

Speaker 1 (30:01):
Yeah, because I'm not fucking scared Like and I don't
mean it in like I'm fucking.
I'm more vicious than anyone Ifsomeone is fucking up.
If an inmate fucks up, we gotyou know it would fix this
motherfucker, let's not, it'salmost an easy concept?
Yeah, to me absolutely.
I don't see any other way.
And me, I don't play politicsLike I don't give a fuck if this
warden doesn't like shit.
Well, if this, if I'm runningthis motherfucker, you're just

(30:24):
to tell me that I can't dosomething.
Well, I'm going to do my joband you're just going to have to
deal with it.

Speaker 2 (30:29):
What was your MOS in the army Infantry?
You believe that you learnedsome of that from there.

Speaker 1 (30:39):
Yes, because I remember them saying if you want
to be an NCO, the best way tobe an NCO is if you know that
you answered the question wrong,but the fact that you answered
it still stand on it because youknow it.
You have to know what you say.
You have to believe ineverything you say.
So in my mind that did carryover Like if I know that I think
I'm right in this situation,you, you, you or anybody can't
tell me a fucking thing.
And if I'm, and if I'm the onlyone doing it, cool, I'm the
only one doing it, cause I won't, I won't tell anyone, I can

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tell him myself, you know.
So that's my mind.
Like, by any means fuckingnecessary, not not in the aspect
of what can we give.
You know, like I don't give afuck about giving, I'm saying
yes or no.
There's no in between with me.

Speaker 2 (31:15):
Fuck, yeah, dude so that's why I wanted to be a
lieutenant, just so I can be inthe fucking rooms with everyone
else now let me clarify right,because some people might get
the misinterpretation of like oh, this dude's on a power trip,
or this dude wants to, but Idon't, that's not what I'm
gathering, right?

Speaker 1 (31:30):
no, because I'm honestly like the, the people I
worked with, I mean, uh, likeone of my good friends.
After I left.
He left the job too.
Uh, just because it, it changedfor him, because he felt that
it wasn't the same anymore.
Right, and it's because me, um,if I was a lieutenant, I always
wanted to lead by the.
I'd not, not, not in the aspectI had to control, it's more of

(31:50):
like a.
Now that I'm here, you guys cando your fucking job.

Speaker 2 (31:54):
That's typical leadership If you're my compound
.

Speaker 1 (31:58):
Oh, I got you today.
Hey man, just let me know, like, what, what, who, who do you
want on the roster?
You know, like, or uh, yeah,you guys want lunch today?
Like I'd be like thatmotherfucker, and then, if they
need me, then yeah, I'm going tobe there, but I know I have men
running shit, so why the fuckwould I try to micromanage that?

Speaker 2 (32:12):
But were you also fair?

Speaker 1 (32:14):
with the inmates.
Yes, for me it's the same.

Speaker 2 (32:16):
It's yes or no, like I don't if I say yes, then it's
yes, if it's that are fuckingwet behind the ears and have no
idea where they're at.
What would be an example ofbeing fair.

Speaker 1 (32:30):
Being fair is just giving like what they have
coming Like, obviously, if theydon't have a spoon, when you're
feeding them like they need afucking spoon and if you're like
, no, fuck that you're notgetting a spoon, now you're
trying to play fake tough, now,correct, it's like there's
certain shit.
But if a motherfucker slams itopen, says I want a fucking

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spoon, all right.

Speaker 2 (32:53):
Oh, motherfucker, you don't talk to me like that,
correct, like are you stupid?
You know, right, there's like alittle cut off there.
You know, correct.
I like that, bro.
The good example man.
It's almost dude, does it seemlike it's easy?
But some people make itdifficult.

Speaker 1 (32:59):
it's one of the I think it's the easiest job in
the world.
The job is to survive like Idon't.
I don't know any way to say it.
The job is is to fuckingsurvive.
And then, if you're aroundfucking killers, how do you
survive around killers?
Right, you make thesemotherfuckers fear you,
regardless of the fact that, ifyou can beat it I know I can get
my ass beat every day I knew Icould die, like you know.

Speaker 2 (33:19):
that wasn't in my mind, though I need you to right
now, elaborate, elaborate anddescribe what you just said
about yeah, I know I'm not goingto win, but I don't give a fuck
, I'm willing to die.
Yes, can you elaborate on that?

Speaker 1 (33:35):
Yeah, it's more like there's situations where like,
honestly, you're talking to somebig fucking hitters and if
they're like shitting onlieutenants and you're watching
the lieutenants get shit on andyou're like, what the fuck is
this Like?
I get?
I get that, you're this, I get.
You're a higher up motherfuckeron your side, but this is a
higher up on my side.
You don't talk to them likethat I'm.
I look at it as the way that,the way that inmates have

(33:56):
soldiers Correct.
That's the way I'm looking atit as don't fucking, don't fuck
with my people and we're good.

Speaker 2 (34:12):
So the the aspect of that is here and I'm going to be
the loudest motherfucker hereand I'm going to let everyone
fucking know what I did and if I, if, if, if there's problems
that come with it, whatever, Istill told them what I was
supposed to.
Now people that have neverworked in a prison, such as a
civilian, might think tothemselves well, ceos shouldn't
be like that.
They should be moreprofessional.
What do you have to say to that?

Speaker 1 (34:23):
No well, colette Peters by the way, Colette
Peters was big on that.
You know like, uh, what it's.
Give the inmates everything.
You know they're going to beyour neighbors.
You know, treat them all likeneighbors and it's like okay,
man, I understand that 0.00001%are good, but the other 90
fucking nine, they're not.
And you got fucking chomos,rapists, fucking murderers, Like

(34:45):
I don't understand why peopledon't under get that.
And they're all the people thatall these, all the the outside
they complain about us, but ifthese guys are walking down
their street they'd be fuckingterrified.
Right, they a lot of.
You'll see it where they crossthe street or they roll up their
window.
But you want me to be very niceto the guy that you're scared
of, but you have no idea how,how violent they really are it's

(35:06):
like the movie a few good menum, they want to.
It's much easier for them topretend that the evil doesn't
exist yes, and and honestly,that's where, like you get all
these ceos that have theselittle stupid patches where we
guard your nightmares at night,like you know, like stupid shit,
like that.
But in all reality, in allreality it's a truth.
But I'm, I'm infantry bro, Idon't fuck with that, that, that

(35:27):
extra shit.
You, you know the gear queers.

Speaker 2 (35:28):
I know that's not proper to say but I don't give a
fuck.
No, no, we can say gear queers,by all means.
Yeah, fucking gear queers.
Okay, with that being said, youwere a CO.
Were you able to identify otherCOs that acted tough but
weren't about the?

Speaker 1 (35:41):
business, absolutely.
And see, and that's what peopledon't get I felt that the
easiest thing in the world.
If you're scared of fighting,you got five staff with you,
Like you have people to help you.
You're not doing one-on-onelike.
Why the fuck is that so hardfor people to to grasp?
Why are you scared?
And and it's more like a it'snot an absence of fear Like it's

(36:03):
always there, like I fuckingknow, like I I get the jitters,
I get nervous the whole time.
It's just more like when youralarm goes off, you know that
you just have to get up.
You can't.
The longer you sit there, it'sstill going to keep ringing,
it's still going to fucking bethere.
The only way to turn it off isget the fuck up and whatever
happens happens Correct andthat's the only way I see that.

(36:24):
So when people hear someonelike me talking like this oh,
this motherfucker, he thinkshe's a badass.
No, no, no, I'm not saying Ican fuck anyone up, I see, yeah,
I'm just, I'm just so I I amnot afraid to to fucking do it.
I have to, I have to likethere's no other choice for me.

Speaker 2 (36:40):
I'm good at reading people, bro.
I can tell you are not reckless, bro that you are fucking
calculated yes, like that's,that's all.

Speaker 1 (36:46):
And people see that as they see me as reckless, but
they also don't really know me.
Oh, you're not reckless and forthe first three years of my
career, though, I got into witha lot of lieutenants.
A lot of people did not fuckinglike me.
Yeah, until they startedrealizing, because they would
see how I would talk to aninmate one time and they're like
, hey, you can't be talking tolike that.
I'm like, uh, you don't knowwhat fucking happened, but okay,
you know, whatever, that's fine, I'll listen.

(37:06):
Yeah, I really didn't.
You know, like I just playedthe part.
But then, like when I worked inshoe, uh, people like
lieutenants would come down andthey would hear about you know,
they're gonna be my lieutenantfor the next quarter and they're
warning them like, hey, becareful about martini, he's a
fucking hothead.
Down there he is, he's, he's awild child, mind you.
I never got a case or was kickedout of anything like I did

(37:27):
everything, everything I wassupposed to.
The difference was, is myreaction was great, right, if
some guy fucking flinches at me,I don't think about it and like
, did he just flinch at me?
Let's fight him.
No, he flinched at me, I'mtacking him right now.
So, but people don't understandthat.
It was just.
I was just ready to go all thetime.

Speaker 2 (37:42):
With those in, were you also getting dragged into
investigations?
Uh?

Speaker 1 (37:48):
I honestly no, I never got.
The only thing that I wouldhave is uh s they would go off
my memo, but no one ever pulledme as, okay, I'll say you know
what.
I'll try backtrack.
My second week in the bureau.
Um, I had I just work in there.
Uh, me and my friend wereworking the same courtyard.
Well, this other inmate, myfirst time being there, this
other inmate got into anotherstaff and I responded and I

(38:10):
fucking did what I was supposedto.
Yeah, not not thinking aboutanything else.
I'm like, oh, should I get tofight?
Finally, and I'm there, right,well, the inmate, like they
always do, say some stupid shitabout oh, he put a finger in my
butt, he did all this and allthe gay shit.
And then I get pulled into anoffice and it's uh, lieutenant

(38:30):
um said hey, man, so the inmate?
The inmate said that you, uh, hehas a really deep voice.
The inmate said that there wasa camera and showing that an
officer was hitting him in theface.
Do you know who that was?
And I was like, if there's acamera, why are you asking me,
right?
And I said, my, this is mysecond week that.
So he's going to hear the storyand he's going to remember this
shit.
And he just kind of smiles andhe goes well, no, I need to hear

(38:54):
from you.
And I was like, well, I'm notpaying attention what other
people are doing.
I was trying to get his hands,you know, tied up.
That's all I care about.
So you didn't notice that.
No, I didn't see anything right.
So that's the only time that Iever got questioned like that
over something.
Really, yeah, that was somepussy shit, dude in the state.

Speaker 2 (39:09):
You get that constantly, constant, bro.
It's relentless how they're onyou the.

Speaker 1 (39:13):
The way they do it, though, is you may have caught a
case and you don't know aboutit.
You'll get.
You'll find out 60 years fromnow, like people are like hey
man, do you remember this inmatein 2017?
What the fuck?
Like?
There was 200 in there.
How would I remember that?

Speaker 2 (39:25):
now?
Would you rather go to work andnot have to use force and have
it be a quiet day and go home,or would you rather go into work
and get into some?

Speaker 1 (39:32):
quiet, obviously quiet day.
I mean, honestly, they're allmy boys.
This is the way I see it.
It's a football team, shit.
Like the people I'm workingwith, we're the fucking starting
, we're the.
We're the starting team.
You know, we're the offense.
The way I see it is, there'snothing better than this.
We're just chilling, talkingshit.
Fuck, yeah.
So then, even when I'm walkingaround, even with inmates
inmates know me.
They know that I talk shit toeverybody.
In my life there isn't a personI call.

(39:54):
I talk to my kids like I do myhomies.
You know like hey, motherfucker, like what?
Like hey, little fucker, comehere.
You know it's just mypersonality, so for me it was
very fun.
You know like the motherfuckersare.
You know you see an inmate thathas big body but has no legs.
You know it's like hey, man,like when are you gonna start
doing fucking squats?

Speaker 2 (40:10):
you got nothing but time yeah, you know and I, I
talk shit all the time no, somepeople have that style, dude,
some people have that style.

Speaker 1 (40:17):
That was your style absolutely, and a lot of some
people would try to.
Some people would be like hey,man, like I don't, uh, how do
you get away with that?
I'm like it's not getting awaywith it.
I'm not pretending, I'm notdoing anything, I'm just being
myself correct.
If you're quiet, you you're aquiet person.
You can't make yourself besomething you're not.

Speaker 2 (40:34):
What advice do you have to brand spanking new staff
members?
Because I had to learn thislesson myself, man.
I had to learn to adopt mystyle.
You can pick and choose, youcan learn from OGs, but
ultimately you can't pretend tobe somebody else.

Speaker 1 (40:47):
Yeah, that's the truth.
And then, honest, that's a good, because there's always the
drug hounds.
You know the guys that can findthe drugs, they can find the
knives and everything.
But then you got the peoplethat are good with their mouth,
the way they talk, they candeescalate situations.
And then you got just fuckingbrute motherfuckers that are
just, hey, man, like I'm here,like let me know where I got to
go, you know, like I'm here tofight and it's not like they're

(41:09):
there to protect us.
And in my mind too, the way Isee it is, I want to get hurt.
Before you do so, I'm going totry to get there first, not
saying I want to get hurt, but Idon't want you to, so it.
There is just a lot ofdifferent the way I say it is.
Whatever you are, be that I'mnot saying if you're a pussy, be
a pussy all the time, but whatI'm saying is like, if you as a
person, are kind of quiet andreserved, don Don't try to

(41:31):
overspeak and don't try to overtalk about stuff you don't know,
just so you can be in aconversation.
You see people there that werenever around gangs in their life
.
Next thing you know they'rehearing all these cool nicknames
about inmates.
And then they're talking aboutthem now on their nicknames and
they feel cool about it, likehey, well, this guy said this
and all the little joker saidthis and it's like motherfucker,
aren't you from kansas?

(41:51):
But the inmates can see rightthrough that.
Oh, they do all the time.
I mean, I mean honestly, that'swhat their job.
If I was sitting somewhere for24 hours and I had no choice, or
I'm locked up in a place, whothe fuck else do I have to study
, correct?
Who the fuck else I don't?
I I'm not gonna sit there andstare at an inmate because then
eventually we're gonna you know,we're gonna fight right.
I can just look at staff allday.

(42:12):
I could see how they talk toother staff.
That's where it matters, that'swhere inmates really see it.
How do you talk to staff?
Like how are you around them?
Are you quiet?
You, you're a loud shit talkingmotherfucker to us.
But how are you with staff ifstaff's always messing with you
or like fucking with you oryou're like quiet around them?
Inmates are like okay, so thisguy's just pretending.
That's just one story, you know, it's just correct.

(42:33):
I'm like the way I am right nowI'm like this everywhere, like
if I get into with someone atwalmart I'm yelling.
You know I can't help it yeah,do you.

Speaker 2 (42:41):
Uh, how did you get into good verbal?
Where did that?

Speaker 1 (42:43):
idea come from.
So, because I talk so much shit, I was like you know what, what
if I started making fun of shitthat I already do and just put
it out there and see, and seewhat happens?

Speaker 2 (42:53):
but incognito though, yes, was that your plan?

Speaker 1 (42:55):
uh, yes and no, because, because, at the same
time, I don't like how everyonelives, with this fear of like,
uh, you can't say shit, and it'smore like a listen.
The only time that my mouth waslike handicapped or like I was
a bitch, I always say this noone will ever treat me like a
private.
Ever again I've been a private.
When you're a private, that'sthe lowest form you can be,

(43:17):
because you have no choice.
You got to listen, like fucking.
If you don't, you're going toget fucked up.
You know you got no choice.
And then you get specialists.
Once you start getting up there,then you're like, oh, you've
got some little perks now, yeah,and you can't say shit.
When you're in there, you can'ttalk about you're the president
, you can't talk about who youdon't like.
No, politics, like you're kindof handicapped on that.
It's kind of the same with thefederal government, but it's

(43:39):
less because we're stillcivilians.
No-transcript, right, or you're, you're a transfer from, uh,

(44:06):
say, you're a transfer from theeast coast and you worked at big
sandy and I tell you about thepage.
You look it up, you think, ifyou even think it's funny, right
, you might tell your homiesback in big sandy that look it
up at.
Big sandy will tell freaking uh, usp, florence, you know like
hey, I had a homie that were hey, did you look up?
So it starts spreading likethat.
So that's the way I did that isthat what happened?

Speaker 2 (44:26):
yeah so you created the page good verbal with on
instagram, yes, and then youwould go to work and be like hey
guys, did you guys check outthis new page?

Speaker 1 (44:32):
yeah, all right, or I'd post it on my story, you
know, on my on my regular uhmusic page story.
Just acting like I followed thepage, how big was the growth?

Speaker 2 (44:41):
uh like, uh, when people, when did they reach a
time where it?

Speaker 1 (44:43):
started catching fire like yeah, like there was, like
I got like my messages wouldannoy me, like like it was, it
was non-stop, and see what?
The reason why it grew is on onthe front Fridays.
I had like discussion Fridayand and to this day, so everyone
fucking knows when I wentthrough my case, they actually
asked me if I would releasenames of anybody that fucking

(45:05):
commented on there and I said no, and anyone that wants to prove
that, I'll pull my fuckingpaperwork out and we'll do
another one and I'll show eachfucking thing.
I'm the only person that wentdown for this, the only one I
said it right now, just me.
I had to clarify that.
So they asked me if, uh, theInstagram names of people that
commented some shit, um, if Icould, uh, you know, tell on

(45:25):
that, like identify him.

Speaker 2 (45:26):
Yes, fuck that.

Speaker 1 (45:27):
Yeah, all it is is there was some funny shit, like
there was one I'll alwaysremember.
They call this, uh, I, I forgetwhat prison it was, but they
call them foreskin.
And the reason why they callthem foreskin is when he
stripped out the inmate.
Um, he's our pattern, him down.
You know the whole he, uh, he.
When you're supposed to telllike, you tell the sleeve, you

(45:50):
know like they peel it back tomake sure there's nothing in
there.
Well, apparently he's the onethat peeled it back.
No, yeah, swear to God.
And then, honestly, when I, whenI, when someone put that and I
posted it, I had so manycomments about everybody knowing
exactly who the fuck that was.
So it got funny.
It started becoming like nowit's the compound office on
Fridays, now it's the shoeoffice on Fridays, now we just

(46:11):
fucking joking, we're talkingshit and I'm just, but by what I
fucked up was, it would be likewell, just, this isn't a real
name.
But they were like well, mrsPeters, uh, does this and this?
And I'd post, I'd put that onthere.
So then they think I'm callingout real staff, like people that
I know, but I don't know them.
So me, I don't think it'sreally.
I don't think that I'm doingany harm to anybody.

(46:32):
In my mind, obviously it kindof fucks with people because I
don't take anything on socialmedia personal, yeah you know
like, but a lot of people do soI guess there were complaints,
but all that but were theyformal?
formal complaints uh, it wasmore, yeah, it was more that
they were bitching to whereverthey were at, like they're
complaining about it, then thewardens are talking about it.

(46:52):
Next thing, you know, they'rehaving conferences and meetings
and then, yeah, everyone youknow, you know like it's the
whole table is all of a suddenstarting to hear you know, and
then it gets to dc.
It got to dc, yeah, yeah, itgot to colette peters.
She's literally colette.
I've tried to add you onlinkedin I don't know why you're
not following me back.
Like I think we have aconnection.
You know the same guy thatfired you.
Like I kind of we have a littleconnection there.

Speaker 2 (47:14):
I agree, man was there one post specifically that
caught dc's attention, or wasit the whole?

Speaker 1 (47:20):
uh, the one that, the one that she mentioned, I guess
, in the investigation the mostwas so, uh, fci dublin, that was
the one where everyone hearsabout warden got locked up for
sleeping with female inmates andall this shit.
There's like 20 staff.

Speaker 2 (47:33):
Yeah, I saw that recently yeah.

Speaker 1 (47:34):
So if you know that show orange is new black, yeah,
yeah, yeah, there's like a scenewhere, like, a lieutenant is,
uh, he proposes to an inmate,you know, and he like married,
and then they're gonna getmarried.
So I put on there and I'mtalking shit about staff and
they don't understand this.
They, they flipped it adifferent way.
What I'm talking about as I puton there, why have tinder

(47:55):
outside when you can have atinder?
You know, jail tinder,something like that.
You know, just swipe left, youget a new inmate.
You know, like shit like that.
It's funny as fuck, you know.
And then, especially that videoand it says fci dublin on top
of it, like I'm talking shitabout it.
And then they flipped it as he'smaking fun of the, the inmates
that were sexually assaulted.
I'm like no, I'm making fun ofthe motherfuckers that make a

(48:16):
lot of money and for some reasonthey would waste their life on
them when they could just go geta fucking hooker, correct, you
know, like that you could go geta.
No guy in this world shouldever say man, I just can't get
pussy.
Well, you know what?
There's literally every avenuethat you can possibly find to
buy the shit.
So why the fuck would you do itinside?
So to me that's because they'resoft and I'm making fun of, I'm

(48:37):
making fun of staff that havedone that what about female
officers that sleep with maleinmates?
same thing.
I'm uh, I did, uh, I made a fewof those I made and those ones,
yeah, I, everything about likethat kind of stuff I didn't all
right.
Then I also made fun of a lotof like the, the, the, the badge
bunnies, like everyone was well, and I'll say this and I don't
give a fuck what it gets when agirl says she's a zero outside

(49:01):
the minute she walks in thisfucking prison, she's a six to
staff, you know, and she's a 10to inmates, right, so she has a
pick of everything.
But you also get the ones thatare, they're good looking and
they know that and what they dois they like hanging around the
people they think they're goingto get them the easiest time in
life, you know, like beingaround compounds and I have to
be in the units, or I'm going tobe in the lieutenant's office

(49:22):
all the time and flirt with hima little bit and get my days off
, and I've made fun of those.

Speaker 2 (49:26):
So ultimately these angels, charlie's angels?
Yeah, so ultimately, were youever pulled in for questioning?

Speaker 1 (49:33):
No, yes, okay, all right.
So this is where it gets crazyand I'm not ever going to
mention this person's name andI'll let everyone decide what
they think from this.
So I got a private call.
I've been running the page forlike four months and our private
call on the radio is when itbeeps and it's only you that's
talking to one other person, youthat's talking to one other

(49:54):
person, and this officer said,uh, the big homie said take the
page down.
And I'm like, and I look at itand I just press the button like
what the fuck?
For one, I have no big homieslike.
I think I don't, I don't, Idon't give a fuck what you think
about.
You know this person up here,you really respect him, and he's
talking about an sia staff, uh,investigative services, and I
don't give a fuck who anyone islike that I don don't have, I
don't worship people.
So when he said that I'm likewhatever, well, fast forward.

(50:15):
Well, internal affairs, they'reactually came from DC and they
try asking me at first I'mdenying everything I did.
I guess they know it wasn't me.
No, it wasn't me.
They step out and they have mecome back in and then he says
did you or did you not receive aprivate call from staff at such
and such time?
That said, the big homie saidtake the page down verbatim.
And he said, before you answer,there was SIA staff present for

(50:40):
that Other SIA staff for thatinternal affairs.
So what the fuck would anyonethink at my shoes in that
situation?
I was set up.

Speaker 2 (50:47):
That's so unprofessional.
That's so unprofessional ofthem to do that.
I mean, did they think they hadsomething to stand on by saying
, hey, the.
Did they think they were givingyou an out by saying the big
homie said to take on your page?

Speaker 1 (50:57):
that's what there's, that's what that's what my
friend, that's what my oldfriend, that's what he said is
what it is that they set him upand he had no idea what it was.
But I do know that that waslike I felt like it was a way to
get confirmation and andhonestly, this is the way I see
it.
Like if, if I knew some personwas doing that and they just
come to me and say hey, callthem on the radio and say, take

(51:18):
it down, the fuck.
I don't even know what you'retalking about, why would I call
someone I don't even know whoruns that page like why?
Why would I?
Why would I put myself?
When I have a friend, if it'smy friend, why would I put
myself in a spot to set my ownfriend up?
You know, you get what I'msaying.
So ultimately what was theoutcome of that interview?
After that that they asked if I, if it was me, and I'm like,

(51:41):
yes, it was me.
I admitted to all the shit,no-transcript.
And he was like no, like thedirector, like Colette Peters.

Speaker 2 (51:59):
How much of the stuff you were posting was 100%
accurate, and facts and facts.

Speaker 1 (52:05):
All of them, all of them Like.
And then there's a person thatI won't ever say his name either
or mentioned the page either,because, like he tried to like
feed off of what I was.
Yeah, and because this, thismotherfucker, like he wears he
wears a costume.
We'll say that he wore acostume and he was talking about
shit that happened insideprison on incidents that he

(52:26):
wasn't even in there for, like,like he wasn't even working
there yet, like he neither was IRight, and he's talking about
some OG shit that he has nothingto do with and he's starting to
talk about incidents that werestuff that were still under
investigation, you know.
So what I did is I just made aspoof of what he was and I just
fucked his whole video up andjust made fun of him on it.

(52:46):
Yeah, not him as a person, right, never said his fucking name.
Yeah, said his fucking name,yeah.
Next thing, you know, you knowhe's trying to.
He's he's calling news outlets,you know, racist, misogynistic
page.
They one page.
One thing that I got, it werethis inmate was like he was, uh,
he was fighting back, it was ablack dude, he was starting to
shit, and I was like, when aninmate gets checked or some shit
like that.
Well, they put that out andsaid he's talking about black

(53:08):
inmates like racist shit likethat.
And then another one have younoticed a trend with?

Speaker 2 (53:12):
all these woke fucking.
Yes, have you noticed a trend?
How?

Speaker 1 (53:15):
they'll mix shit up, and that's what I'm, and that's
that's what's crazy is.
I posted one where there's likethis scene where it's this big
black dude and justin biebersitting next to him, and I put
when a dc meets a chomo, and sothey thought that I was calling
the black dude chomo and I don'tgive a fuck what anyone says,
and I hate to say it becauseit's I'm white.
Majority of the chomos that I'vemet are all fucking white for

(53:36):
the most part yeah, old men it'swhite people, and and so the
chomo is justin bieber, and plusthe dc would be the black and
dc the booty warrior, you know.
So you put two and two together, yeah you put them in a.
It's a joke.
If they're sellies, what'sgoing to happen with that?
You know?
Yeah, yeah, so then.
But they turned that sayingthat I was talking shit about
black inmates, and then I'mmisogynistic.

Speaker 2 (53:57):
So basically they didn't like your fucking page
and they just ran with anarrative like hey, this fool's
fucking racist and misogynistic.

Speaker 1 (54:02):
Yes, the, the, the I'm bullied tribe.
They all got together and likehey, we don't like that.
He's calling stuff that reallywhat it is.
I mean in front of fat peoplelike it's a fat officer, is a
fat officer, like I don't give afuck what it is, you're fat as
fuck.
You don't need to be in it.

Speaker 2 (54:16):
So were you penalized , were did they drop the hammer
on you, uh, so what?

Speaker 1 (54:20):
it got down to the end where they proposed my
termination.
Um, that came down from thedirector.
Um, so there's two, there's twosessions to it.
The first one they're like hey,um, because it gets down to the
warden and after the afterregion or after director says
what they recommend, um, andthen it goes down to the warden
or whatever complex.
It's their final decision.

(54:40):
So this little lap dog, alittle warden, little lap dog,
bitch, um, he fucking, uh, hewas one of those guys and it's
like, well, mom said do this, ordad said do this, so I'm gonna
do it.
Right, you know, I'm sorry, Idon't mean to do this, but I'm
gonna have to propose thisspineless.
Yeah, so I could have went backfor a second time and got the
final, but I didn't want to gothrough fucking six years of

(55:05):
fighting the federal governmentover a goddamn instagram page.
You know what I'm saying.
Did they ever tell you you totake it down?
That was the big homies thatsaid take it down.
That's what the warning was,that's what they say.
And then, when I didn't take itdown, then I got cornered by
SIA telling me I need to take itdown.
So they tried.
But at the same time, the way Isaw it, though, if they told me

(55:29):
to take it down, I was alreadythree months in.
If they're saying that, Ialready know that there's
nothing stopping it.
I already know that it's allthe way I can take it down.
Now I'm still getting introuble, correct?
So if I'm still getting introuble, kamikaze mission, yeah,
yeah.

Speaker 2 (55:44):
So I already knew.
Do you see a direct correlationbetween them trying to silence
you people?

Speaker 1 (55:50):
Yes, honestly, and the reason being is it got more
to what than people thinkbecause I started posting mental
health stuff and you know I had.
I had people writing me saying,hey, uh, I've been going
through a lot, I've went througha divorce, uh, this has given
me something to laugh about.
I appreciate what you do andthis motherfuckers from you know
.
I started getting added tounion pages like other other
facilities.

(56:10):
Unions liked what I did andthey would I would fucking go
into theirs and I'd comment youknow, a fucking some union in
Thompson or whatever.
Just say to that prison they'rehaving like a ball on Friday
and I just comment on there like, am I invited?
You know, just joking shit andeveryone knows what I, what I,
what my page is.
So everyone's laughing,commenting back and then I get
on.
Facebook was my favoritebecause Facebook is like, is

(56:33):
like, the we're old heads stilldon't want to go into Instagram.
So, they still have it, you know.
And all of a sudden I'mstarting to post on there more.
And then I log on there andthere's 300 comments on the same
thing and I'm like all thesefools are going.
They love this shit.
They're going in the comments.
So now I'm looking at it andI'm like man that the first, a
lot of them are like damn, thishappens there.
I thought I was the only prison.

(56:53):
Damn, this happens in coleman.
I thought that was just here.
So when you throw that all outthere, it's more like uh,
everyone's relating.
Now, correct, everyone knows Iwas posting petitions for them.
It's a community, yes, and then, so I felt that, because it was
getting bigger and be, it'salmost like.
It's almost like us when we'retalking shit about who the
president is and everyone'sbitching about it, yeah, how can

(57:14):
they shut us up?
What's a way to silenceeveryone?
So we shut the fuck up.
So for me I felt like we were,everyone was relating for too
much and I don't think that thehigher-ups want that.
And I said that in my song.
They want freedom, they don'twant freedom of speech.
They say you have it, but thatyou can't have it.
You know, I it's, it's.

Speaker 2 (57:31):
That's what I elaborate on it's, uh, it's like
the german gestapo, bro.
Uh, it's like the fucking, uhlike the nazis.
And you're right, when theystart seeing the, when they
start seeing people cometogether, that scares them yes,
especially when you're exposingthe truth.

Speaker 1 (57:46):
Yes, and then and that's, and that's exactly what
it became.
And then, just just knowingthat people and and honestly one
of my favorite ones too someonecalled this girl like a hoe and
it's because she left anofficer that she was dating to
be with a lieutenant that wasmarried and got pregnant by that
lieutenant Beautiful and thenthat lieutenant he actually took

(58:09):
it.
They offered him a demotion orto transfer to somewhere else.
For that, yeah, oh and CDCR.
They'll promote you twice, bro.
Yeah, well, they would havejust transferred him.
Yeah, but he wanted to staywith her, so they demoted him.
So everyone's talking shitabout her being a hoe and all
this shit.
And then she saw it and she waslike, hey, thank you for making

(58:29):
me famous, post this.
And she was like, hey, thankyou for making me famous, post
this.
And it's a picture of, like,her pregnant stomach.
And she was like what girl'spussy is this good that they can
make a lieutenant leave theirwife for you know, like that's
some gangster shit and I don'tgive a fuck about that.
You know, everyone wants tocall her a hoe.
Well, they always say all ceosare hoes guys and girls if I log

(58:50):
into instagram, you know, like,if I log back into it, so like,
so, like shit, like that, likeit was, I'm like damn, now it's
like they're becoming my show,like they're becoming like uh,
now I'm posting and I don't haveto just comment back and forth
anymore to get the you know thealgorithms up.
Now I just get to watch it.
You know, I post something thatpeople relate to and now I'm

(59:14):
now it's making me laugh.
I'm not doing the.
I'm not making everyone laughanymore like it was, it's now.
It's just.
I couldn't wait for discussionfridays.

Speaker 2 (59:18):
It took a like.
A took a like on a mind of itsown.
Yes, it really did it evolved.

Speaker 1 (59:22):
It felt like it was like.
It felt like I was doing apodcast without one right, so,
basically.

Speaker 2 (59:27):
So, ultimately you ended up resigning.
Yes, you left the.
What?
How long ago did you leave the?
February last year, okay, sothat's recent, yes.
And then we had a phone callthe other day and you're like
hey man, the feds called me,they want me to fuck.
And what did they say theywanted you to do?

Speaker 1 (59:40):
oh, yeah so there's a lawsuit that that an inmate has
, that it was.
I got proven innocent, likethey.
They, the government denied it,whatever, not guilty.
Well, now he's suing the bureaufor the same thing, and so the
bureau has the us attorney callme and ask if I would like to
represent the bureau against theinmate you know like, and if I

(01:00:03):
agree they'll even pay for mystay in my flight or whatever
the fuck and and and so and Iwant to make this clear, the us
attorney was cool.
She has no idea.

Speaker 2 (01:00:11):
She's not part of any of this correct, but it's just
part of any of this, but it'sjust the irony of the totality
of the circumstances.

Speaker 1 (01:00:16):
So I tell her.
I was like have they told youanything about me at all?
And she's like no.
And so I told her everything.
I told her about good, verbalColette, what she did, like how
they forced me out.
Then I'm like, at the very endof it, glorious details.
Do you think if you were in myspot you would go, you would,
you would testify for them.
And she goes, you know, I don'treally want to answer that, but

(01:00:37):
I'm sorry, what you wentthrough, like I'm sorry, you
know.
And then that's that's what.
I was like thank you.
And she was like well, I'llemail you just in case, like if
you want to.
And I'm like get the fuck outof here the fuck.

Speaker 2 (01:00:47):
So what happened to your old boss, the director,
though?

Speaker 1 (01:00:50):
uh, the day trump got uh put in the office, he uh
fired her.

Speaker 2 (01:00:53):
He fired her.
Yes, how did that go down likehey, you're done, your shit can
yeah, he doesn't, and that's.

Speaker 1 (01:00:58):
That's the crazy part about how like I'm like the,
the connection that I it's notthat I know trump and I'm not
that I'll ever get that, butit's kind of fucking cool the
person that hates me get firesby a person that's way up there
that hates her, you know.
And then it's full circle,because it's all the same time
as what happened to me just ayear later everything comes full
circle.
Yes, everything comes fullcircle and then I even saw I

(01:01:19):
even posted on my, on myinstagram where it says, uh, she
doesn't know what happened.
It was like the things were,locks were changed and all this
and like crying about it.
Yeah, and you know, like boofucking who you've been fucking
firing staff forever like allthat's all you.
She did did an Oregondepartment of corrections where
she was before she was the headof, she was director there.
I had their union there at thetime that, when I was running

(01:01:40):
the page, then they they wroteme and said, hey, this is how,
this is what Colette Peters ranthe prison like and this is what
she's going to do to you guys.
So she believes in that thatstupid shit across the.
It was at the swiss or whatever, norway, yeah, where you know
that she, that's her model.
And it's like you know what, ifyou, if you look at those
inmates over there, take themover to a california yard and

(01:02:02):
see to see how they interacthere, right, because they're
gonna, they'll get killed, right, so you can't treat these
people the same way you do them.
You know it's the way thatworks there.
It's a whole different cultureand it's also not as violent as
it is here.
So she wanted to institute, shewanted to get rid of
segregation, becausesegregation's dehumanizing.
And I know they're starting todo that shit in the state and so

(01:02:24):
to me it's like so the guy soldstaff.
What do we do?
Hey, don't do that shit again,man.

Speaker 2 (01:02:35):
Go back out there, you're good, right, you know.
Don't put them in shoe, though,because that's that's
dehumanizing, correct?

Speaker 1 (01:02:41):
So are you still rapping, making music right now?
I'm actually writing somethingnow you are.
It's been a while, but it'sit's more like a.
I felt like I've been.
I've been going through a lotsince all this shit.
You know, like the, the, sinceI left like it wasn't obviously
I wasn't, I didn't leave on goodterms.
It's like I left a retirementpackage with me.
You know, I didn't take thatwith me, I was just, it's just
nothing, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:02:57):
And then are you able to collect retirement for the
time you put in?

Speaker 1 (01:03:00):
uh, no well, government service.
So I have 14, so I need sixmore years, uh, anywhere in the
feds so I can do it.
You know, um could between thearmy and that.
The the thing about about it is, yes, I have my VA, I have my
disability stuff, but I stillhad child support and all the
money to pay.
So it wasn't like I could justleave happily and just just go

(01:03:21):
live.
You know, I still had to payfor that and then.
So there was a time where Ididn't know if I would be able
to make it.
I didn't like, I fuckingstruggled, like able to make it.
I didn't like I fuckingstruggled, like.
And then everyone, you know alot of people will say that I
put it on myself at the sametime, like I know no matter what
for what I was doing at thetime.
I know it was making adifference.

(01:03:42):
I don't give a fuck, definitely.
And because I know that I wasmaking a difference, even the
way I left, I could have justburned bridges a whole bunch.
I could have done a lot of shitwhen I left.
The last thing I wish I recordedit.
The last thing I said when I ona radio there is.
I got on the radio and I calledthe usb compound and I'm like
martini to compound and I hadalready been like pulled off,
like I was like working at theadmin building because they

(01:04:04):
don't want me around inmates nomore, because I'm making fun of
staff, but somehow thatcorrelates.
But um, and no one answeredbecause they're like what the
fuck?
Because I, I fuck around a lot.
They're like what the hell isthat really him?
And I say it again.
And someone says go ahead.
And I say hey, uh, love youguys, stay safe.
And I had like a good threeminutes where I had people
responding back to me and I justwant everyone that did I

(01:04:24):
fucking that.
That shit meant a lot to mehell yeah so like that.
That meant a lot to me.
So victorville itself.
The only people that will haveanything bad to say about me are
haters like and I don't likesaying that word hate.
Everyone says that shit correctpeople that just could not be
me.
I don't give a fuck what thatis, and and it's not like I'm
caught, it's not like I'marrogant, it's I can get along
with everybody.
The problem is people don'tlike how I am right if, if

(01:04:47):
you're not a strong-willedperson, you don't like
strong-willed people, so it'svery easy for us not to get
along.
What's that word?
Um, intimidated, yes, becausebecause you're not like that,
you think that it's oh, he's,he's too much like this and I'm
like no, I'm just, I'm confident.
But I can be friends and treatanybody like this, and the whole
thing about me is I just needed.

(01:05:07):
All I cared about was myrespect.
Honestly, I didn't care aboutshit else if people knew that I
had their back.
That mattered is I just needed.
All I cared about was myrespect.
Honestly, I didn't care aboutshit else.
If people knew that I had theirback, that mattered to me.
If people knew that I wasn't afucking rat, that matters to me.
Like I'm not no fucking rat andI verify that, you know.
So, like all that shit, that'sall I cared about when I left.

(01:05:28):
But that didn't do shit for meon bills.

Speaker 2 (01:05:30):
Ultimately, you've gained my respect, dude, and but
that didn't do shit for me onbills.
Ultimately, you've gained myrespect, dude.
And yeah, I'm huge on lastnames.
We got to carry on our lastnames right and leave our legacy
, so where can people find you,man, on social media?

Speaker 1 (01:05:40):
Geo the Legend 89.
I just got an Instagram again.
You know, I actually erasedshit for a long time.
I just took like six months off.
I mean you got to make acomeback, bro.

Speaker 2 (01:05:51):
Yeah, you got to make a comeback.
I was telling you earlier, yougot the personality dude.

Speaker 1 (01:05:55):
I'm thinking about it .
You know this is new for me.
This is the first time everdoing shit like this.

Speaker 2 (01:06:00):
We'll link up, dude.
Yeah, fucking, bounce ideasback and forth, I love that shit
.
Yeah, dude, I want to thank youfor pleasure.
Chopping it up with you, dude.
No, I'm actually happy and I'mrelieved.
To be honest, that's what's up,bro.
So there you guys have it,folks.
Another banger.

(01:06:20):
You guys wanted to hear fromsomebody from the federal side
of corrections, none other thanthe man, the myth, the legend,
geo martini.
Love you guys, keep pushingforward, thank you Unhinged line
.

Speaker 1 (01:06:32):
Hector's legend engraved Living life raw never
been tamed.
From the hood to the pen.
Truth entails pen.
Hector Bravo, unhinged storynever ends you, thank you.

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