Fernando "El Bordo" - From Graffiti to Cartels: Navigating Border Life and Creative Expression - Hector Bravo UNHINGED

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hector Bravo.
Unhinged Chaos is now insession.
Welcome back to our channel,warriors.
We are still growing.
Today, another special guest wehave, none other than Fernando,
aka El Bordo.
From YouTube and Instagram.

(00:23):
He has been formerly chargedwith smuggling across the US
border.
We're going to talk a littlebit more stuff than that.
We're going to talk about thehot topics in Mexico going on
right now.
So let me introduce him.
What's up dude?
Hey, what's up man?
Thanks for the invite.

Speaker 2 (00:35):
Oh for sure, bro, I see you blowing up, man.

Speaker 1 (00:37):
I've seen you for a minute now, dude.

Speaker 2 (00:40):
Yeah, I mean I've been well.
I've been invited to thesechannels in English, so that's
kind of where I've been poppingup on feeds and stuff All right.

Speaker 1 (00:48):
So did you anticipate English channels to be the ones
reaching out, or did you thinkit was going to be down south?

Speaker 2 (00:54):
No well, I mean to be honest, the first channel that
I went to like a big one wasDanny Jones with Concrete and
Luis Chaparro, kind of put inthe work for me.
I seen you on that one, yeah um,I had like three or four
episodes on on my channel on myyoutube channel at that moment.
But uh, I've been talking toluis for a moment now and um,
just kind of like I just startedfollowing him and kind of fact

(01:15):
checking him on some stuff thathe will report, yeah and uh, we
we came close.
He's a good friend.
So he put in a word for me withdanny j.
He's like hey, this guy mightbe I mean, you might be
interested in this guy's story.
Whatever, danny Jones hit me up.
We talked for about an hour, anhour and a half.
He's like hey, bro, I got toget you down here, so flew out
to Florida there you go, bro.

Speaker 1 (01:34):
And while you were fact-checking, luis Chaparro,
shout out to Luis Chaparro.
I'm pretty sure it was prettyaccurate information, right?
Dude seems like he knows whathe's talking about.

Speaker 2 (01:43):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean he doesn't.
What I like about Luis is hedoesn't really have an agenda
you know Right right right Otherthan that, getting like the hot
topic news, you know, but Imean that's their job to get
something that you know.
Journalism, yeah, but he's notinterested in like throwing
shade to somebody or politics ornothing like that.
He actually like if you, if, ifyou have something to tell him,

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he actually like pays attention.
You know what I?

Speaker 1 (02:07):
mean so yeah, he's keeping it real bro.

Speaker 2 (02:08):
2025 man yeah, yeah, I mean, and I see people like
like commenting stuff on thereis his page and shit like that,
but they don't know him.
And I mean everybody thinksjournalism is corrupted a lot of
it is but on lucia parro iro Ikind of can vouch for him.

Speaker 1 (02:23):
Definitely, definitely, bro.
So are you a US citizen?
Yes, dual citizen or US citizen?

Speaker 2 (02:29):
No, I was born in LA you were born in LA?
Yeah, but I grew up in TJ.
Basically, how old were?

Speaker 1 (02:34):
you when you went to TJ.

Speaker 2 (02:37):
Oh no, I never lived out here, but you were born in
LA.
My mom, she had her papers andmy grandma and everything.
So she came to school out hereand you know, just a typical
living in TJ and coming to workor school out here in Chula
Vista or San Diego.
And then we had some family inLA.
So when my mom was pregnant shestayed over there for a few

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days and stuff and then she hadme and then she went back home
and that's kind of how I grew uptoo, like I came to school out
here but lived out there.
So just Back then Late 80s,early 90s Nah, this had to be.
I'm from 89.

Speaker 1 (03:12):
So you know all that Like late 90s yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:17):
My mom never really got an apartment right here till
like I don't know I want to say2005 maybe when she started
like having like her and herfriend having like a roommate
and we would, we would staythere and you know, and her
friend's kids would stay theretoo, and stuff like that.
And then she got her section 8and you know she did all those
things.
Right now she owns a home shedoes own a home yeah, so, so

(03:40):
yeah, but she's been hardworkingforever.

Speaker 1 (03:42):
Was it difficult to cross the border at that time.

Speaker 2 (03:48):
I mean I think it's been the same man.
Obviously, after the 9-11 stuffand all that, lines got longer
and the waiting time.
But I mean there's still somedays of the week where you could
just pull up and it's like 30minutes to cross, and there's
some where you can pull up andit's three to five hours to
cross.

Speaker 1 (04:08):
What about the century man?
You recommend that.

Speaker 2 (04:10):
Yeah, definitely, yeah, definitely yeah, If you
get approved, true, true.

Speaker 1 (04:16):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (04:30):
So Tijuana?
I'm not going to say I'mfamiliar with it, but I've been
there a handful of times, bro.
Uh, you said you grew up likenear the border.
That's where the name is, rightnext to el soler and el soler
is literally next to the fence.

Speaker 1 (04:35):
So it's my hood, another one and the fence.
How, where is that?

Speaker 2 (04:36):
in proximity to el zona norte uh, like five minutes
up towards the beach.
Okay, if you follow the fencelike zona norte is on the fence
too right, you just go on thathill, or you know, you can see
from here that hill or that,that highway, that's el soler,
and then right next to it it'slos altos where I'm from, so
also more, just more down thefence yeah, just more down the
fence.
Yeah, just up that little hillso are they more toward the?

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ocean, then not all the way upthere, it's just sona norte and
then up the hill and then it'sright there it's like two
minutes.

Speaker 1 (05:02):
What zone is next to that one?

Speaker 2 (05:05):
on the other side of you that's well, that's what
it's called mirador miramar.
And then you go to the next,because it's like big hills.
It's like, right, this hill isel sole de los altos, and then
another hill is mirador miramar,and so like that.
And then another hill, it's'sColonia, cardenas Laureles on

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the bottom, and then it's thebeach.

Speaker 1 (05:27):
Now, how much do those areas differ from one
another?

Speaker 2 (05:31):
Not much.
They're the same, everything ispretty much the same.

Speaker 1 (05:34):
Same people, same neighborhood, same get down.

Speaker 2 (05:37):
Yeah, the same, yeah, yeah, it's pretty much
everything's the same.

Speaker 1 (05:40):
Okay, okay, okay.
Yeah, dude, like I said bro,I've seen your interviews and
I'm like I want to ask thesedudes some like specific
questions.
Yeah, I want to figure thatshit out.
I'm sure a lot of you wouldwant to know how it operates
down there, bro.

Speaker 2 (05:51):
Yeah, I mean obviously some places differ
because, like I, were talkingabout all this area, from, like
la libertad zona norte, centro,aleman, and all those next to
the fence, that that is all likeold tijuana, like old Tijuana.
Old Tijuana, yeah, like my, mygrandparents, they were the
first one there.
So what's new Tijuana?
Old time?
Uh, no more to the east, okay,like um Villas and and all the

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Boulevard 2000,.
And all the Santa Fe, it's likehave been coming.
I mean, I'm pretty sure, like Isaid, my grandparents migrated
from the South but, like my momwas born in Sonarorte, so after
her it's all.
We're all locals now, you know,but it's relatively young, you
know, tijuana is like 125, Ithink I have no idea, dude yeah
120 years old, 125, somethinglike that.

Speaker 1 (06:46):
I on that side of the fence, you know where the buses
are at, and La Lina, la Lina,that's all La Lina right there.
Let me ask you this, bro, causeI'm going to start getting into
it Is there people?

Speaker 2 (06:52):
hanging out at La Lina that are just observing.
Yeah, I mean, they got to.
If they're into the businessand stuff like that, you always
have people.

Speaker 1 (06:58):
The thing is, you know so now, what I'm referring
to is like are they observing?
Because I, I get dude, I get, Ihave anxiety, bro, so when I go
down south I don't feel safe.
You know what I mean?
Because I can't carry a gun,definitely ain't gonna carry a
knife.
Um, are there people observingto maybe kidnap?
No, no they're not observing.

Speaker 2 (07:18):
No, the thing is that's not really well looked
upon amongst the people, eventhe guys that do other jobs.
You know what I mean.
It's not something like it'svery frowned upon.
It's not like other places likemore south, where it's normal.
Maybe Over here the guys thatkind of do that would be the

(07:38):
government.
You know what I mean that theyheld you for a few hours until
you gave them some money andthen they let you go over there.

Speaker 1 (07:53):
Yeah, so I have a fear, bro, and it's, uh, a case
of mistaken identity.
How is there people watchinglike, oh hey, that's a rival
cartel, that's a rival gang, andthen they want to do something
to them?

Speaker 2 (07:59):
no I mean, um, now you really have to be a little
bit in the mix.
I mean, I'm not saying innocentpeople don't, you know, happen
to be in an accident orsomething like that, but mostly
it's like when you're very muchinto I don't know something
local, I don't know, like Idon't know, it's just this

(08:23):
environment where everybodyknows who's who there.
Yeah, over there and that wasgoing to be one of my other
questions yeah, it's kind of thesame thing.

Speaker 1 (08:30):
So even here everybody knows who's who for
the most part.

Speaker 2 (08:33):
Yeah.
So out there it's likeeverybody knows who's who, who's
cousins to who and stuff,because they all work not
together.
But maybe one day you'reworking with this guy, maybe one
day you're working with thisguy, maybe one day you're
working that guy and that guyand you hear stuff, you meet
people, so that's you know.

Speaker 1 (08:46):
You kind of know who everybody's player well, that
makes me feel a little bitbetter, bro.

Speaker 2 (08:49):
But yeah, I mean I get it.
I get it because, like, if youjust watch the news, yeah, it's
like fuck man, like how peopleliving down there, you know.
But then at the same time it'slike if you're there, you might
not even notice that shit'shappening.
You might have a good weekendand not no, not hear no, no
drama or anything, and and youjust had a good time, you know.

Speaker 1 (09:07):
So in relations to the united states and the news
about violence.
Maybe some people that are notfrom the united states they'll
watch the news and they'll think, damn, they got a real problem
with uh active shooters.
Is it the same as damn, they'reamplifying the news?

Speaker 2 (09:21):
yeah, it's the same thing because, yeah, people in
mexico they really trip on likelike um active shooters, like
like public shooter, like outhere like walmart and stuff like
that.
They're like no, like you knowwhat I mean.
They, you know, scared likebecause, like I said, usually
like in wars over there andamongst like the bad people,
they kind of know who's who.
You know, yeah, obviously, likepeople take advantage or shit

(09:43):
like that.
Or you know innocent bystandersmight pass away, unfortunately,
and stuff, but they kind ofknow who's who right.
So it's not something that youknow.
You don't want to kill innocentpeople.
They're on their thing.
You know where over here islike anybody can get it.

Speaker 1 (09:56):
Yeah, you know, it's like right what the damn bro,
you're making this sound moredangerous than over there
actually and and it's the samething, because you go to walmart
every, whenever and you, youdon't feel it.

Speaker 2 (10:08):
I mean, correct, you know it's kind of possible, but
you're not there scared.
You know, correct, it's thesame for us in tijuana.

Speaker 1 (10:13):
It's like you know it's just happening, but you're
not really like, oh my god, likeyou know what I mean, you're
just kind of like living, youknow so um, did you grow up out
staying out of trouble or didyou start getting into trouble?

Speaker 2 (10:27):
nah, I did start getting into trouble very young.
Um, I kind of like that, that,that street life, you know, just
hanging out with the friendsand and doing stuff, and um,
we're very, um, we're very kindof bullish a little bit.
Yeah me, me and my friendsAgainst who.
Just against.

Speaker 1 (10:46):
Everybody else yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:47):
Yeah, Kind of like, kind of that, that hood
mentality Like you know.
So Desmadrosos, yeah, verydesmadrosos, yeah, and and very
like like if we have beef withsomebody, we'll look for them.
Just spend a day looking forpeople and stuff like that.
So yeah, we were those kindsand all that generation we
started tagging over there.

(11:08):
Graffiti was big when I was,you know, early 2000s, stuff
like that.
Graffiti was very big.
So we didn't really have likegangs like out here, more like
what they call tag bangers.
You know Like we would dograffiti but we would also like
fight and you know all that andthe fighting and you know all
that.
So and the thing is like thatwhole generation we all knew

(11:28):
each other.
You know the graffiti and thecrews and the parties and stuff
and um, eventually we, you know,you start noticing people.
Like when the cartel thing came, like to the cities was ariano
felix active at that time.

Speaker 1 (11:40):
Yeah, they were super active.

Speaker 2 (11:42):
Straight, active, right, but it wasn't like.
I mean, cartel wasn't even aword.
You know what would you guys?

Speaker 1 (11:48):
refer to those people as Mafiosos, mafiosos.

Speaker 2 (11:52):
Yeah, malandros.

Speaker 1 (11:53):
But you knew they had a lot of money.

Speaker 2 (11:55):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely, because they're, I
mean especially like for me thatcross the border and you see
their picture every day andthey're offering five million
dollars for these guys.
So, um and then, um, yeah, just, they were kind of always part
of the culture.
You know they were in the newsevery day and high impact.
You know crimes and stuff likethat, so everybody knew about

(12:15):
them, but you don't really likeunderstand.
You know it's not like today,where there's a lot of
documentaries and a lot of newsand shit like yeah, you don't
really like, I don't know, whenyou're young you kind of don't
really understand normal.
Yeah, I mean, I I think wedidn't even get like the idea of
the thing, you know right butthen eventually you start
growing up and then, like some,some people had like families

(12:37):
that their uncles were doingstuff, so they kind of already
heard and stuff and they startedputting one and one together
where it's like, oh no, you know, these guys are this and they
do this and we were just on thegraffiti trip, street stuff, you
know.
But eventually, uh, like otherI was always the youngest, so
like all the friends startedturning into like I don't know
they started crossing things orsicarios or stuff like that,

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because they were being, nowthey weren't, you know, just
growing up and the graffiti andthe street stuff.
You kind of like you leave thatbehind and and then you find
this that's getting popular now,like by this time, like the war
cartel is not a thing, right,and you see, like convoys of
people, you hear shootouts andstuff, so that kind of sounds

(13:30):
more for, in an ignorant way,more badass.
You know, instead of like doingthis graffiti stuff and
fighting for your crew, you kindof want to like, hey, you know,
it's elevate to the next level.
Yeah, exactly so, and I meanthat's the mentality of the
street, mentality, you know.
And instead of like, like Isaid, we in the hood, like the
guys we see with money.
You either had a good job inthe us and and your truck was on
credit, or or you were doingsome illegal shit, you know.
So, um, that's kind of why youget pulled into it, because it's
like, I mean, the only way tomake it out of here is, you know
, either do this or that's.

Speaker 1 (13:49):
that's my next question.
So is there really like lack ofopportunity down there?

Speaker 2 (13:55):
Um, if I mean you, I mean it's a hustle town.
You know it's.
It's, it's a.
You really gotta gotta fuckingfigure it out.
You know it's not.
I mean, over here you get ashitty job at a construction
site and you're good.
You know might be a shitty job,but you're good, you know
you're gonna get some good moneysecure yeah, you know, and

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stuff like that.
Whereas over there you need todo that and then some stuff,
since sell, like sell some usedclothes on the weekend and then
cook something and sell lunchesand no retirement plan, right,
you know it's hard to get likewe have what they call like in
Fornaville, which is like oursection 8, I think kind of like
and obviously it's not the same.

(14:36):
You know there's some aid fromgovernment and stuff like that,
but you really have to hustleyourself, even if to yourself,
even if you have like a career,even if stuff like that, you
really have to hustle to likeknow the right people to get
good jobs and you know all thatstuff, it's not really like I
said, whereas over here, I mean,it gives me a new perspective,
hearing it from you, bro, butyou always hear they limited
opportunities down there.

Speaker 1 (14:54):
But actually, like hearing it's like, well, fuck,
maybe it is true.
Like you really don't have achoice.
Do you have a choice?
How do you view that?

Speaker 2 (15:01):
now you do.
I mean you there's.
I mean obviously there's peopleover there that are wealthy and
rich and they they never.
Maybe they're wealthy maybethey, you know because but, um,
but I mean tijuana was kind oflike um, it was built on that,
you know.
I mean from the early ages,when the prohibition and stuff
like that, they would come overthere to party and move the

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stuff out there.
You know, even sandy has alwaysbeen military.
So all the military come overthere to party and move the
stuff out there.
You know, even sandy has alwaysbeen military.
So all the military guys overthere and for the girls and for
the booth and everything was.
It was like free for all youknow so tijuana was built on
hong kong, you know all that man, I mean all those like, even
though the the wealthy familieslike family wealthy, they had to
be on some shady shit, becausethat's that's what the city was

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built upon.
You know kind of so that makessense obviously.
I mean I bet there's familiesthat are really like straight
and, you know, have the legalbusiness and stuff, but uh, but
it's also very common that theother guys, you know they they
either have something to do with, like the prohibition there or
or the drugs or some kind ofcontraband you know.

Speaker 1 (16:02):
So at what point did you graduate from tagging to now
?
You are committing pretty muchfederal crimes.

Speaker 2 (16:12):
Yeah, Shit man.
I mean, that's a good question.
I never got.
I mean I kind of know the time,but the exact moment.
What about the time Like what?

Speaker 1 (16:24):
was going to ask you some things, bro.
I mean, I kind of know the time, but the exact moment, what
about the time Like?
What was going on?
Was it a conversation?

Speaker 2 (16:30):
I mean everybody was just.
I think I was kind of like thelate one to leave the graffiti
thing because I didn't only tag,I did like murals and stuff you
know, oh shit.
So I liked painting, I wasalways drawing, I was always
like you know, I was always theguy with a notebook and tagging
everything in school.
Is some of your art still up?
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (16:45):
definitely yeah.

Speaker 2 (16:47):
Proud of that or what yeah it's cool because I mean,
like in that video I did withJohnny Mitchell and Ed Manifesto
, where I take him to myneighborhood, like there's some
stuff that I did when I was like15.
So like in 2005.
Oh shit, dude, so that's 20years.
Yeah, years yeah, and uh, yeahand it's, it's kind of cool, I
mean it kind of feelsheartwarming a little bit so.

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So I was kind of a little bitlate on that, you know.
But once that all my friendswere doing it and they were
either selling some stuff ordoing this or that or violent
crimes, you kind of startgetting into it.
You know, you, oh, you know,and I go with you.
And then, yeah, eventually youstart figuring shit out.
And it got to a point wherewhere, like every dude like I
met that I knew like hadsomething going on, I was like,

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hey, whatever you need, I gotyou.
You know this and that.
And that's how I ended up inthe MCC when I was 19,.

Speaker 1 (17:34):
You, know, did you get caught one specific time and
that's where you landed infederal custody.

Speaker 2 (17:40):
Yeah, what were you caught with Individuals?
Yeah, well, it wasn't really mycharges weren't smuggling,
because I was walking themacross.
So it became aiding.
And what do you mean?
You were walking them across?
Yeah, like we would use Well,the guy used to work for.
Well, here's one of thosemoments, I think, where I was
just young and wild and tryingto do whatever it was to do and

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I remember some guys offered meto cross the car and I was like,
yeah, sure, I I'll do it.
But in the neighborhood we hadthis, this guy that I always
mentioned, don sergio, and hewas like he was that uh, old
school, uh mafia thing, you know, like he didn't like violence,
he helped out the community.
You know he's always helpinglike sick kids from the
community and stuff like that.
So he fought, but he was.

(18:26):
He was known in like cartel andstuff, but he was just very
humble and shit and and, but I'msure he was a killer as well,
nah, he wasn't.
Nah, he only smuggled people andhe only.
There's a lot of people thatdon't like to kill and don't
like to do any of that stuff.
It's just heat also, but morein a conscious, you know.
Yeah, so yeah.
So they only made money.
And he was one of them and Iremember he found out I was

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going to cross that car, I don'tknow how.
Obviously, later on I learnedthat he was very connected and
then he called me to meet himsomewhere, like right before I
was going to get the car, andthen he just pulled out some.
I remember he pulled out liketwo car registrations One was
fake and one was real and he'slike tell me which one's real?
And I and obviously I didn'tknow shit, I was like I didn't
know.
He's like how do you, how doyou not know?

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Like you're being set up, howdo you not know this?
And he's like tell me you'renot going.
And tell him.
I told him that you're notgoing.
And I was like all right, and Idid that.
And from then on he kind ofgrabbed me under his wing and
and, uh, I guess he figured outlike if, if I don't get him to
do something, he's going to Doit anyway, yeah.
And he started giving me likethis, like what I was called for

(19:30):
, which it was really nothing.
Like I said, he had a lot ofpapers that it was like real
papers, like visas and stuff.

Speaker 1 (19:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (19:38):
And then we just found one that looked like you.
You know what I mean, and he hadpeople in the south, like with
alahara and stuff, like parentsthat uh, I mean uh, family
members, that that would sendthem people.
So they were all likerecommended, you know, like hey,
so and so wants to cross andthis, that he's been doing this
all his life.
Like he crossed through thelike.
I remember he told me storiesabout getting chase, he did time
out here and he's just apollero all his life, you know,

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and uh.
But eventually he got to apoint where he was like a boss
now and he could just, like youknow, move his stuff around and
stuff and he just had a lot ofpapers and he had like the safe
house where he had like uniformsof like construction jobs and
shit like that.
So if your visa was a workingvisa, like he would dress you up
as a worker and you were goingto work and you would cross,
like at five in the morning,four in the morning, like when

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everybody that's going to workcrosses and we will practice in
the house like what would youtell them?
And you know stuff like that,and then I will walk them across
.
What do you mean by you will?
walk them across they will justfollow me in the boat, like we
go walking, cross walking, andI'll tell them like hey, just
follow me, like two or threepeople behind me, but make sure
you go to the cup that I go to.
You know, because I alreadyI've been crossing all my life

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so I kind of already knew someof these guys.

Speaker 1 (20:50):
And I mean, I remember there was two guys that
they were, just they would lookat your paper and give it back
to you and go yeah, Go, so likeif those guys were there it was
like, but I want to know how didthey connect you to the people
behind you?

Speaker 2 (20:59):
They told.
They asked him, like what wereyou going to do when you crossed
?
He's like, well, I wasfollowing this guy.
They ratted on you.
Yeah, basically one of them.
It was a girl, I remember shewas like 18 also, she was going
to Oakland and I guess she gotscared, I don't know.
I mean, I never really told himlike hey, don't tell him you're

(21:22):
with me or anything.
I was just like yeah and yeah,and then we would get on the
trolley.

Speaker 1 (21:26):
Let me ask you this dude, If you're getting caught
at the border, there's a INS copor whatever.
I see what are they?
They're Border Patrol Customs.
They haven't technicallycrossed into the United States
yet.
So what do they do with that18-year-old?

Speaker 2 (21:41):
Just say back uh, no, I think she, she, but once you
admit what you were doing andstuff like that, I think that's
they take into some type ofcustody.
Uh, yeah, that well, yeah,people that she did time and I
remember I didn't even know that, dude, yeah, I yeah.
People like it's illegal entry,you know so, um, and it was,
they would mix them with.
I think I was having aconversation with one of the

(22:03):
guys that's in jail right nowabout this and the politics,
because they would mix theillegal entries with like
criminals right, you know what Imean.
And so I would be in the mccand like some of them were just
here illegally.
They and you had these guyswith like some cartel guys and
some polleros and stuff likethat, and it was them.
And I think, uh, I thinkthey're getting, they're
changing everything.
I think trump is changingeverything.

(22:23):
Now We'll get to that.

Speaker 1 (22:25):
So the 18-year-old rats you out, you're like what
the hell, man they approach, yousay come here, put your hands
behind your back.

Speaker 2 (22:32):
Well, they let me.
Well, they stop her, but Icross.
And then every time I cross andI see them getting like they
didn't make it, I would just goback to TJ and tell the guy like
hey, he shouldn't make it orwhatever.
And then so the next day I'mgoing again.
Oh shit, and we crossed.
I got on the trolley and theywere on the trolley with me.

Speaker 1 (22:53):
No way dude.

Speaker 2 (22:54):
Yeah, and it was funny because I had a feeling
there was a guy next to me thatI thought he was it, but it was
actually the guy behind me and Iwas just saying my friend, like
in Spanish, like in code words,like hey, I think this guy is
an undercover like next to me.
And then we were just I evenstarted fucking around with
saying like hey, you think heunderstands if I say like chinga
tu madre and shit like that.
And we just started fuckingaround but it was the guy behind

(23:18):
me.
So when they had they kind ofjust checked out the operation,
once they see somebody waspicking us up in Palomar trolley
station, yeah, once the pickupcame, like all these undercovers
just showed up and we gotarrested.
So they drove me back to theline, I mean to the border, and
then the offices, the guy showedup.
He's like hey, you, youremember me?

(23:39):
I was like should I?
And he's like well, I was right.
Uh, behind you in the trolleyand I, I heard you mentioning
something about undercovers.
I thought you made me.
I was like I, I mean, I thoughtit was the guy behind me.

Speaker 1 (23:49):
I didn't really think it was you know so now, at that
time, did you think it wasexcessive what they were doing
compared to what you were doing,like sending undercover cops to
follow you on a trolley?
Uh, a little bit, because, um,all these cars that pulled up
was like six cars and and youknow what I mean, and um, and
you could be like, hey, youcould have just arrested me at

(24:09):
the fucking border and we wouldhave cut a call to the day, man,
yeah yeah, yeah, I mean, butthey also caught the, the pickup
.

Speaker 2 (24:14):
You know the lady that was picking up and um, damn
which, it was a sweet lady, Iremember she was very, a very
nice lady and um, but yeah mean,I don't know, it seemed a
little too much.
You know, even my probationofficer when he read everything
he's like, you know, thiswouldn't even be a crime if it
wasn't in the border.
Like you wouldn't even have todo time for this.

(24:35):
You know, probably communityservice or something, but since
it was federal, since it was ahamul or dozer.

Speaker 1 (24:52):
They had a little camp there.
People were just flooding theborder.

Speaker 2 (24:55):
I mean I, and I heard about you know I've seen it.

Speaker 1 (24:57):
Yeah, yeah, fucking night and day bro yeah, so I
mean they'll put you in a carand take you to a hotel.
Dude Like, hook you up bro forfree.
Damn, that's crazy.
Yeah, Different time frame,different politics dude.
Yeah, how did that make youfeel?

Speaker 2 (25:12):
I mean, I think us that live on the border we don't
really rely on, like theAmerican politics on that,
because a lot of it is justpolitics, man, I mean like
remember, oh, remember, oh,we're gonna build a wall, and
then they build a wall andnothing changed, right?
So so, to be honest, like I wastalking to tommy g about this,
even when we're out there inmexico, they would ask the guys
like what do you think abouttrump?

(25:33):
And it's like they're liketrump, obama, biden, they're all
.
They're just politicking.

Speaker 1 (25:39):
You know, they say stuff that's gonna, you know
well there's a good, excellentquestion, bro, because trump
just got elected, uh, today isjanuary 23rd.
He got elected recently, or hetook office, and he immediately
designated, uh, the drug cartelsof the terrorist organization
which you know.
That pretty much means you cansend us special operations.
Does that affect mexico?

Speaker 2 (26:02):
uh, like I said, I think it's in the politics,
because I also read a little bitof the breakdown and he's
trying to do that for the guysthat are in here.
He didn't really mentionanything about.
When they ask him about goingover there, he's like maybe, but
you know, I think he's good atplaying that clickbait game.
You know what I mean and it'salso very different and stuff

(26:26):
like that.
But out there, like I said,it's, it's just politics.
I mean it's not until we see,actually like american,
americans like patrolling thecity or something like that, and
actually it's gonna like peopleare gonna, you know, take, take
notice on that, other than thatit's just talk, basically let's
talk about.

Speaker 1 (26:44):
You talked about patrolling the city man.
I've been watching a lot ofinterviews, documentaries about
the local police, the federalpolice and what is there?
A state state, local state,federal?
Um, if I were to cross into tj,bro, and I'd just be wandering
around, am I gonna get stoppedand detained in question?

Speaker 2 (27:05):
uh, depends what area I mean we don't know, no, like
uh, let's say you have like like, if you say like sonarrio and
el hipodromo and all this, likemore tourists and more like
where the stadium is and therestaurants are and all that
stuff, I mean, yeah, you know,unless you have like a really
nice car or something thatreally like attracts attention
to them, they might pull youover.
And just you know, unless youhave like a really nice car or
something that really likeattracts attention to them, they

(27:26):
might pull you over and justyou know.
But a regular pullover, youknow like license and this and
that, what do you do for aliving, blah blah, and then, um,
then that's where it depends,where it goes.
Where can it go?
What are the options?
Uh, if you, I mean like, say,for instance, like your case,
like your case, like you mightbe like cool, you know, it might
be like, oh, okay, but I alsomight not be cool.

(27:48):
I mean, if you have pictureswith guns in Vegas, they might
be like, hey, you know, I couldturn you over for this even if
it's not true.
Because they can check yourphones and stuff.
They could.
They can't.
Well, good thing, you let meknow that, bro, they they
supposedly it's illegal,nothing's illegal, but I mean,
you know what I mean?
Um, so you know stuff like that.
You have weird messages andstuff like that, which I think

(28:10):
happens mostly to locals, orthat, or to people that that are
there more constantly.
Yeah, but if you're really justa tourist, they might just try
to get like 50, 100 bucks fromyou.

Speaker 1 (28:20):
I'm not talking about a tourist right, because, uh,
and maybe I should ask thisquestion now so you can know
what I'm talking about.
Let's say, I commit a crime inthe United States and I have to
go on the run right, and meright now I get up and I go to
TJ.
I don't know where to go, bro.
I don't know who to meet upwith.

Speaker 2 (28:35):
Oh no, you're going to have people.
Yeah, like I don't know.
You heard the Casagring Shoutout to Luis Chaparro also for
covering that.
It's a group of state police orI think, maybe mixed, but I
think it's more on the statepolice.
It's what is called Enlace.
So it's them.
It's a group of police fromboth sides of the border that
have communication with eachother.

(28:55):
We're like, hey, we think hemight flew to Tijuana.
You know, we think he's hidingthere, so they'll look for you.
Who will them hiding there?

Speaker 1 (29:02):
So they'll look for you.
Who will them?

Speaker 2 (29:03):
on that side the state police?
Yeah, the state police on thatside.
They will look for.
There's a unit especially for?

Speaker 1 (29:08):
Is that what Ed Calderon, at Manifesto, used to
do?

Speaker 2 (29:11):
Well, he was a state police but he was escorting the
lieutenant Teniente Coronel.
But there's a whole, there'sjust a little group of cops
looking for what do you call it?
F little group of of cops likelooking for for um.
What do you call it?

Speaker 1 (29:27):
like um fugitives, fugitives, american fugitives
yeah, yeah, because okay, sodamn that's now.
Is that only if I'm one ofthose people and I have your
face and your name on a list,they can identify me?
Or are they looking?
Are they constantly looking?
Being proactive?

Speaker 2 (29:43):
yeah, I mean if.
If, let's say, you get pulledover and you pop up with a
american id, yeah, they'll runit through the enlace.
Oh fuck yeah they'll be likehey, we have uh, just the cf,
just running your name.
You know, just start regularrunning your name and uh, if, if
it comes back, you know they'lltake you in and then they'll
tow you over in the in theborder well, there goes that

(30:04):
plan, bro.

Speaker 1 (30:04):
Not that I plan on committing a crime, right.

Speaker 2 (30:08):
I think that's what every American thinks If they
commit a crime, I'll fly it towhoever or whatever.

Speaker 1 (30:14):
I knew that Mexico works with the US in extraditing
fugitives.
I knew that.
I just thought I'd have abetter chance.
Bro, At least blend in.

Speaker 2 (30:22):
I mean you have a better chance of going southern.

Speaker 1 (30:30):
If bro, at least like blend in you have, obviously
you have a better chance ofgoing southern if you stay in tj
.
You're just not thinkingstraight because tj is okay,
I'll play your game bro.
Yeah, how can an individuallike myself go southern by foot,
by bus?
How the fuck do I travel bus?
Yeah, I think bus would be likethey pay for a bus, get on the
bus ticket and just go downsouth.
Yeah, now let me ask you thisAt any point in time, will I get
stopped by a drug cartel?

Speaker 2 (30:49):
checkpoint it depends what states you go to.
I think cartel checkpoints aremostly in areas where there's a
lot of war going on, likeTamaulipas, maybe Sinaloa right
now because of everything that'sgoing on.
Son, like maybe Sinaloa rightnow because of everything that's
going on Sonora, you knowthere's.
If they're like in an activewar, that's when the checkpoints
set up because they're lookingfor rivals or people sneaking in

(31:12):
to combat them or stuff likethat.
But I mean, if you drive toother places where, even if
there's cartel activity, ifthere's not like a war thing
going on or shooting or stufflike that, you just might be
able to roll through.

Speaker 1 (31:23):
You know, like nothing see, I make it down
south man.
Would it be beneficial toapproach a drug cartel member
and say, hey, I'm looking forwork instead of what.
I'm a fugitive from the america, from the united states, and I
need to eat.
Right, I need to need to dosomething.

(31:43):
I'm now in Mexico.
Would it be beneficial toapproach a gang member or a
cartel member and say, hey, canI work for you?
Well, I mean.

Speaker 2 (31:53):
Or that's not ideal.
I mean, if that's what you wantto do, I think I don't know,
man, I think if you get like afake ID and get a job and just
start, a regular life, you havea better chance then a fake ID
and get a job and just start aregular life you have a better
chance than Because cartel Imean First of all, if you don't
have.
Okay, let's say you're afugitive.
If you don't really have anyconnects or something that's

(32:14):
going to make the cartel money,they're not going to care about
you.
You know they're going to sendyou to start killing people and
they don't get killed.
What?
if I'm particularly good at it,you know but if you have, if
you're like, hey, you go up tothe car, they'll be like, hey, I
have some cousins in fuckingontario that sell a lot of stuff
I could get.
They're gonna be like, oh, yeah, and they're gonna take care of
you.
They're not, they're gonna makesure you don't get caught or

(32:35):
and you don't get stopped bypolice and stuff like that.
So, other than that, it's justgonna be nothing to them, you
know.

Speaker 1 (32:41):
So, like I said, just get a fake idea and start a new
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(33:04):
those are the main questionsthat I wanted to ask you, bro,
because I was wondering, like,how does one function down there
?

Speaker 2 (33:08):
you know, yeah no, I mean Conejo the rapper.
You know he was a fugitive outthere for 16 years.
That's a long time dude.
You know, and I think he kind ofgot in a little bit of trouble
and that's why he ended upgetting caught back.
And that's why he ended upgetting caught back, which I
think it was a blessing, becausehe had Absolutely you know, but
yeah, I mean, there's a lot ofpeople that do that now.

(33:29):
That's why there's units nowjust specializing in finding
them.
What a trip dude.
Yeah, and Luis Chaparro is aregular podcast.
Shout out to Luis again.
It's called Casa Gringos, yeah,and it's just him patrolling
with those guys, patrolling withthose guys.
Really, yeah, I gotta checkthat shit out.
Yeah, it's just, it's justaudio, but it's just him going
around and finding these people,like I mean, uh, you know how

(33:50):
some americans are, you knowthat they go out there and then
some of them just go down thereto kill their wives and their
kids and stuff.
You know, like these white guys, that, yeah, you know they,
they commit those kinds ofcrimes, right, I don't know if
it's a race or thing, but youknow, I get, I get it, and a lot
of them have been caughtbecause they go down there and
they just do atrocious crimes,like the last episode I think it

(34:10):
was a guy that killed his wifeand his two kids, or something
like that, out there in Rosarito.
He got caught out there, youknow, and it's just like yeah,
man, you really want those guysto get them, you know.

Speaker 1 (34:21):
Absolutely, absolutely.

Speaker 2 (34:22):
Yeah, they're monsters.

Speaker 1 (34:28):
I have heard, I know of about five people, a handful
of people, Americans, that havebeen down south and have gotten
caught with a gun because theywere law enforcement officers
and they fuck, fucking damn, and, bro, they went to prison.
They went to prison in TJ forlike four months.
One was a correctional officerStill is Shout out to him, to

(34:55):
him, but uh, what's your take onthat, bro?
That the tj cops are seemsalmost seem like they're so
eager and willing to arrest anamerican for a possession of a
weapon, although it seems likelocals too, you know, but do
they?

Speaker 2 (35:01):
yeah, they arrest a lot of locals, a lot, a lot of
locals.
I mean, the only the only wayto get uh away with that is if
you work for a certainorganization that has judges on
their.
You know you would get like you.
You probably stay there for afew nights and then you get
bailed out and and you'resupposedly finding your case
outside or you know shit likethat.
But uh, but they do arrest alot of people for guns, a lot, a

(35:22):
lot of them.

Speaker 1 (35:22):
I had no idea bro.

Speaker 2 (35:26):
And it depends on like the, the there's something
called like uso exclusivo delejército, like some guns with
high calcars are like that's forthe army and stuff, so but if
you have like a .380, you know,you might do a little bit of
time or stuff like that.
But yeah, I mean it's like likefor us Mexicans out here, like

(35:47):
illegal people can't get mad ofbeing deported when you know
you're illegal.
You know, even if you ask, askthem, they're looking for the
ice cover because they knowthey're doing something illegal,
you know, right, it's, it's,it's the same out there.

Speaker 1 (35:59):
I mean, you go out there and do something illegal,
you're gonna get arrested Ialways thought it was a
free-for-all down there up untilI've had this conversation with
you.

Speaker 2 (36:06):
I mean, if you get caught with money and like five
thousand dollars, then you mightbe able to like, hey, you know
what, I got this money and shitlike that but and you might be
able to pay them off before youget taken.
You know, but it's, you know itdepends.
You know, it's never really forsure.
Maybe the cop does really wantsto turn you in, you know, just
to have a little trophy, or Idon't know.

(36:26):
You know it depends.

Speaker 1 (36:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (36:33):
But I mean the chance is always there.
The chance of corruption isalways there, you know.
I mean look, remember the caseof the Army guy that drove down
there with a bunch of guns.

Speaker 1 (36:41):
He was in the Army, army or Marine Marine.
I think he was a Marine.

Speaker 2 (36:44):
Yeah, a few years ago and supposedly they pardoned
him or whatever.
But in reality even DanBilzerian remember the Instagram
man he flew down here and hespoke to whatever and everybody
in Mexico knew like, yeah, theypaid the government off to get
this Because there's no way Didhe get out?
Yeah, they got him back overhere.

(37:07):
And supposedly it was a verydiplomatic interaction, and
they're like no, bro, them billsdidn't pay you guys off.
Like you know what I mean?
A lot of money, yeah, obviously, because like everybody was
like, yeah, he was out there forlike a week or I don't know how
long he was locked up for, butthat was a major crime, bro.
He drove into Mexico with abunch of machine guns, you know

(37:29):
it wasn.
So everybody is like, yeah, weknow what happened.
Like you don't have to get alldiplomatic on us.
A crime is a crime, you know.

Speaker 1 (37:36):
Right, damn bro, you're making it seem like it's
not that bad, Like, is it reallynot that bad down there?

Speaker 2 (37:44):
I think it's not that bad man.
I mean, obviously, like in thecops, the corrupt cops, there's
a lot of them and they, theydon't make a lot of money man,
you know they don't make a lotof money.
I don't know.
I don't think so.
That's why they're after yourmoney.
So do you think they feel badabout doing what they do?
I think it's a normal now.
I think it's a normal thing,man.
I mean it even works for therecords if you get pulled over.

(38:07):
You got a license but you got30 bucks.
You know some some.
If you're a local cops will letyou go with not that amount of
money.
So I mean it's kind of awin-win for both.
You know, like you give them 30bucks, he lets you go, you save
time, you know whatever.
But it depends if you'redriving a nice car with with no
license and you're like I got 50bucks, like come on, bro, we're
, it's three of us, like they'llbe, like okay, I got 80 bucks

(38:29):
or I can get you, and then youknow they might, you know, put
squeeze a little bit more of you.
But uh, at the end of the day,I'd rather give them the 80
bucks than actually have to goand pay the ticket and get my
car impounded and all this.
So it's a uh harmless crime,you would say, which eventually,
on the long run, it ends up,you know, ends up harming.

(38:51):
But at the moment it just feelslike, eh, you know hook me up.

Speaker 1 (38:54):
What about ass whoopings?
What about them?
I was watching the Tommy Gepisode, bro.
It's like the cops will go overthere and beat your ass.

Speaker 2 (39:04):
Well, yeah, I mean, if you're doing shady shit,
obviously Well how shady.

Speaker 1 (39:09):
What are the levels to the shady Like what's going
to give me a good ass kicking?

Speaker 2 (39:13):
Uh, like the one I got, you mean yeah yeah, tell us
about that.
Well, I had.
I had a lot of messages withthe wrong kinds of people back
then and I had Were you in TJ.
Yeah, in TJ and got me and stuffand they went through my phone
and they just found a lot ofcrazy shit and they at first

(39:36):
they thought they were going toget a lot from me.
So you know they beat the fuckout of me and shit like that.
But in some of the messagesthey read some names and over
there, like even some not evenlike most of the cops have to
have some contact with theseorganizations, just they do.
Yeah, because they, the cops,have to have some contact with
these organizations, just theydo.

Speaker 1 (39:57):
Yeah, because they don't want to arrest the wrong
guy, or they don't want to.
This is what I'm trying tounravel, bro.
I'm trying to get into the mindof how shit operates down there
.

Speaker 2 (40:02):
Well, for example, in my case, when they read like
some names to some of themessages one of the guys they
have group chats out there andin different like whatsapp
encrypt, not whatsapp, but likeencrypted like trema or signal
or shit like that.
And and the group chat isobviously like organization,
which is so in those group chatsis like bosses and and like

(40:24):
mid-levels and police and shitlike that.
So, wow, so for, for my case,like once they read some names
on my phone, uh, you know,referring to some of these guys,
one of those cops was in inpart of that organization, so he
took a picture of me and hesent it to a group chat and
because they have to check first, and they were like, hey, does
anybody know this guy?
He's.
I have some messages like wecaught him doing this and that

(40:47):
and and you know.
And then eventually some guyswere like, yeah, I know, hey
know, hey, that's him, that'sso-and-so, why do you have him?
Like you know, when they sawwho was like answering for me,
they kind of backed up a littlebit, but they had already beat
your ass.
Yeah, but they hadn't gottenanything from me yet.
They were just like asking mequestions and shit like that,

(41:08):
and once that happened, thewhole vibe changed.

Speaker 1 (41:12):
So somebody of heavy influence, somebody important,
spoke up on your behalf.

Speaker 2 (41:17):
Yeah, three or three guys, and then all of a sudden,
the cops' attitudes changed?

Speaker 1 (41:21):
Changed?
Yeah, Did it look like theywere scared, remorseful,
confused.

Speaker 2 (41:26):
They were like fuck.

Speaker 1 (41:29):

Speaker 2 (41:33):
We're not going to be able to get like a lot from him
.
But uh, because I even rememberlike the guy telling the cop in
charge.
They're like, hey, they'reasking about so and so and the
group chat and this and that,and he's like, don't, don't open
the message, wait, wait 10 or15 minutes were you able to hear
what they were talking?
about yeah, yeah, I was able tohear.
And then they went back towhere I was and they were like
okay, bro, look like I'm gonnahelp you out, but how much you

(41:53):
like, literally like how muchcan you give me like now, damn?
And um.
And I told like anyway, I don'tgot no money, but I got, I got
a gun in my house like I couldgive you that, you know, and
call it a day.
So, yeah, they took my gun,which back then it was worth
like a thousand bucks.
What was it?
Nine millimeter?
It was a nine millimeter um sixhour, I think.

Speaker 1 (42:13):
Damn dude.

Speaker 2 (42:15):
But they were trying to get.
Obviously they were trying toget at least 5,000 or 10,000,
because I was with anotherfriend and here's the funny part
, because my friend, he's very,very well known in a different
organization.
So they kind of hit him morethan me because once they found

(42:36):
out who was who, they're likeokay, so he's with our friends,
but this motherfucker right here, you know, and they even told
me, like why are you hanging outwith these type?
of yeah, yeah, they really gotin in the team thing you know
what I mean, dude.
So, uh, which I mean at the endof the day, kind of helped me
out because, right, but when youget caught, like I remember
back then when I was young and Ifirst started local cops,

(42:58):
everybody was on the payrollbecause it was one organization
that ruled everything, right.
So anybody you got pulled overor anything, you'll be like hey,
I work for so-and-so and theywill let you go.
You know like hey, I'm so-andso this and that, and they will
let you go.
Like I don't.
If they weren't trying to like,let you go, you will call
whoever and you will give themthe phone, like, hey, they're
calling you on the phone.
If they will not take the phone, they will call them on the

(43:19):
radio on their personal.
They will be like, hey, give methe number of the patrol car.
So I remember, because thathappened to me once.
I gave them the number of thepatrol me, he's like why didn't
you tell me like this?
And I was like I was trying totell you, you know, but nowadays
, well, or more recently, when,when that thing happened to me,
the the ass whipping, um,everything's a mix, like there's

(43:40):
like three organizations andshit like that.
So you can't really be like, ohI'm from so-and-so, because oh,
you are, you know, and theymight be from their enemies or
shit like that.
So I kind of had to stay quietand not say anything until that
guy read the messages of who Iwas talking to and he took a
picture of me while I was alltied up and he sent it to a
group chat which, thanks to him,you know, everything turned out

(44:04):
different.

Speaker 1 (44:04):
I know you're talking about multiple organizations
right now.
Are you familiar with Mexicali?
Yeah, a little bit Mexicali.
What about you know anythingabout Los Rusos, or the Russians
?
Yeah, yeah.
What is that?
Just another cartel.

Speaker 2 (44:17):
It's a faction of the Sinaloa cartel.
It's a faction.
Yeah, they were very deep inSinaloa and eventually what I
got from the news and from wordof mouth is that they got in an
argument with another guy outthere and they sent these guys
to Mexicali to kind of cool thatoff.

Speaker 1 (44:36):
To cool off the plaza .

Speaker 2 (44:38):
No, no like like in Culiacán there was two guys like
oh, to clear that off overthere.

Speaker 1 (44:43):
Yeah, to clear that over there, but did they?
I mean, but it has nothing todo with the, the being a border
town.

Speaker 2 (44:55):
Uh, uh, no, they all.

Speaker 1 (44:55):
Sinaloa has always run mexicali, since 2004, since
2003, 2004 they've been runningmexicali, so so they just
switched, like management, youknow, fucking human resources,
yeah the guy that was in chargeof mexicali that actually mayu,
I think.

Speaker 2 (45:05):
He called him to like be closer to him, so he put
these guys there.
That's nice of him.
I actually knew a guy from theroses array that everybody's
seen on on the news.
Uh, in the shootout, like a fewyears ago yeah yeah, actually
he's doing time.
He got caught uh, but uh, he wasin a shootout with his kids,
like, uh, he, he was alwaysrunning around with his kids and

(45:27):
uh, they were getting a haircutand some enemies pulled up and
started shooting the thebarbershop and him and his 17
year old kid shot back and theyactually like got away clean.
But I, one of the kids, hadlike a, an injury, so, uh, my
friend drove to the hospital,but I mean it was a big shootout

(45:47):
and so he eventually got caughtin those videos of him, like
you know, getting caught andhe's incarcerated where In.

Speaker 1 (45:52):
So he eventually got caught and there's videos of him
, like you know, getting caughtand he's incarcerated where In
Mexico right now Mexico.
Fuck, that's a bad place to beincarcerated bro yeah shout out
to Tolín.
So there was that shooting.
And then recently here in SanDiego there was a shooting with
Doom Buggies or something.

Speaker 2 (46:06):
In.

Speaker 1 (46:06):
Ensenada.

Speaker 2 (46:08):
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, I've seen that.
Yeah, I've seen that shootout.
Yeah, well, ensenada, I meanit's also kind of like a
battleground.
Ensenada is yeah, yeah, likenot like the tourist area, but
like well, yeah, like the Oscarsand stuff like that.
I didn't even know that, dude.
Yeah, they have the.
I mean people fighting in theplazas and stuff like that.
I like the, the razor drivesand shit like that.

(46:35):
I mean not everybody, but theremight be some guys involved and
shit like that.
So I guess they thought theyjust pulled up and shoot
everybody you know which.
It was crazy because some ofthose, some of these guys shot
back and and they ran them off.
You know the guys that wereshooting it.
But a lot of innocent peopledied on that they did yeah, fuck
dude, yeah, just for you knowit.

Speaker 1 (46:52):
And then there was the people from Texas.
It was like three black dudesand one black lady.

Speaker 2 (46:58):
Oh, but that was over there in Matamoros.
See, that sort of changed thedifference in the way cities and
their game is ran, you know,and Matamoros is way smaller and
thing is a little bit more wildout there.
It's more wild out there, it'smore wild out there.
See, tijuana.
Tijuana is a very importantplaza in for, like, even if

(47:20):
you're not into crime, you knowit's, it's a very it's like
money make tourism, yeah,tourism.
The city is very big now it'svery cosmopolitan and you know,
um, metropolitan I mean, and um,so you don't really see these
big convoys or checkpoints andstuff like that, because that
just gets everything hot.
You know, correct, theshootings happen in like, say,

(47:41):
carios, pulled up in like littleUber-like cars.
You know, here, no, yeah, yeah,here.
So it's not like, oh, likethree pickups came in and shot
everything.
No, it's like a little Uberdriver or maybe even a taxi cab
you know, and they have to bemore low key on all those things
, because you don't want to getthe city, you know.

Speaker 1 (48:00):
Riled up.

Speaker 2 (48:01):
But sometimes the bosses you know they ride around
with like the government.
So you might see a convoy thatit's all government trucks, but
you already know that's thegovernment or that's a mix of
both.
You know, and uh, some of thoseguys are pulling people over
just to see who they are whenthey're, you know they're out

(48:23):
and about.
Really, yeah, they don't, theydon't fuck with you, they just
pull you over like a regularcheck, like hey driving.
Once they say you have nothingto do, you know you go, but um,
yeah so a police officer here inthe united states.

Speaker 1 (48:38):
Their duties are, you know, respond to calls,
burglaries, domestic violence.
They see dui drivers.
What about in mexico, dude?
Who the hell are they targeting?
What kind of crime are theyfighting?
What?
Or it just seems like they'reharassing and beating people up,
or no, no, no, like they'reharassing and beating people up
no, no, no, they're working man.

Speaker 2 (48:57):
I have friends, cops, that are in.
The one of them is in the.
It's called GOE GOE, grupo deOperaciones Especiales, special
Operations Group, and those arebad asses, bro.
They're after the bad guys.
Who's the bad guys?

Speaker 1 (49:19):
the bad guys, I mean, the guys are committing crimes.
You know, cartel, uh, yeah,even cartels.
Well, that's the thing.
That's the thing is like isthere, is there seems like
there's different levels to thisgame there is.

Speaker 2 (49:24):
I mean especially in tj, because tj is not like, like
I said, it's not run by one guy, like if, when things things go
smoothly, when it's run by oneorganization, because everybody
just responds to thatorganization, so everything runs
smoothly.
But when you have all differentkinds of shit going on, like
dude.
What a mess, bro, you knowpeople do shady shit and like

(49:45):
blame it on the other guys andstuff like that.
And you might be even the cops.
You know if they're, if, let'ssay, that group of cops, they're
really like brotherhood, youknow, they're really like
they're really together.
So there might be like hey, wegot this malandro, but he's
telling us he works forso-and-so Right, but fuck that,
don't answer the call, let'sjust fucking take him.
And then they blame it on someother cop or shit like that.

(50:06):
And fucking you know they goingto do it.

Speaker 1 (50:09):
So besides the cartel operations and crime is there
like, let's just say, I'm amarried man, I get drunk and I
beat up my wife and she dies.
That's like a crime, right,that's murder.
Yeah.
Is there stuff that like thathappens?
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (50:24):
Murders, yeah, I mean , yeah, lately we've been having
a lot of it's fucked up becausea lot of girls have gone
missing on their ubers, you know, like late night after party
and shit like that, and theyfind them dead and shit like
that no way yeah we'll be havingsome of those, which is very
fucked up, and also even theuber drivers a lot of them been
getting jacked for their carsand they just shoot them just to
get their cars or their cellphones or you know, because it's

(50:46):
a lot of meth heads, you know alot of meth heads doing all
this petty crimes and stupidshit like that, you know.

Speaker 1 (50:54):
So what do the cartel think of the meth heads doing
stupid crimes?
Well, the thing is, they don'treally Interact.

Speaker 2 (51:00):
They don't really care about those, they don't.
They're out there.
They're trying to make theirmoney and stay away from shit
like that.

Speaker 1 (51:07):
So, like they don't really so the police and TJ,
they're trying to go after themeth heads.

Speaker 2 (51:14):
They're, and, TJ, they're trying to go after the
meth heads.
Is that who they're going after?
Yeah, yeah, Anything has to dowith meth, really, because even
the K'nex and the trap housesFuck dude.
So that's kind of more of theregular day crime.
You know the little robberieslike that.

Speaker 1 (51:26):
So damn bro, I have a daughter right and the best
thing I can have is knowledge ofdown there.
Dude, what is some advice orwhat can security measures can a
female do in tijuana?
Maybe she's american, she goesin friends of two.
What would, what would be a tipto help them not get taken
hostage?

Speaker 2 (51:45):
uh, well, usually I think, is if if find like a, uh
like a driver like an uber or ataxi driver, and then just
become friends with them andevery time you go you call him,
like hey, I'm a B&T, and pay him, good, you know, and just have
that trust that you already knowsomebody that's going to drive
you.
You know, like even crossing,like the taxis that are there,

(52:07):
the green ones, if they're fromthere, and you kind of get it
from there like they can'treally fuck it up because
everybody knows them.

Speaker 1 (52:14):
So I mean, I think that's what I would do Take
public transit a taxi, that'sright there, yeah, and you know
and tip them good and stuff likethat.
You know and I mean, in my case, I think that's what I would do
.
You know, just find somebody Icould trust, like a driver or an
Uber driver or something likethat.

Speaker 2 (52:34):
and then, just who are these females that are
coming up?
Missing Locals, yeah, locals.
What age dude?
I mean it doesn't really matter.
I mean obviously young girls,you know, but they get them like
leaving the party, leaving theclub and stuff like that Do you?

Speaker 1 (52:46):
do they ever find them?
Yeah, alive or dead, damn, it'skind of a stupid fucking
question, bro.
But damn, do you think therewas foul play Like more to it
than just a murder?

Speaker 2 (52:59):
Yeah, I think most of the time it's more to it than
just yeah, I think, because alot of them are innocent.
I mean I'm not saying that allthe girls are missing.
You know, some of them might beinvolved in some stuff missing.
You know there's some of themmight be involved in some stuff
and but uh, but a lot of those,those cases that I've been
reading and stuff and it's.
I mean I get worried, man,because I have like sisters
right and and it's just likefuck man, I you know, damn dude.
So um, um, yeah, that that's.

(53:22):
That's crazy to me.
But, like I said, even the uberdrivers are getting, they're
asking, but they're gettingrobbed by their stuff.
They're getting shot.
You know, some of them havebeen shot like they do, like
their tiktok lives, and they'redriving around the city.
And one guy got shot in thelive.

Speaker 1 (53:35):
The camera wasn't pointing at him, but but you
could hear the whole thinghappening, you know, and um, so
anybody, any civilian, could bean uber driver down there and tj
, I mean, if you have your paper, your license.
You know you have your stuffright yeah, and the and these
people are getting jacked atgunpoint.
Yeah, pistol whips shot robbedyeah, man, and how do they feel?
I know there's another stupidfucking question, but how do

(53:56):
they feel about it, bro, like atj, I'm sure cars are hard to
come by.
What do you do?
Do they have insurance?

Speaker 2 (54:02):
oh yeah, they, they have insurance and stuff.
Like a lot of them rent theovers, you know so.
So the owners have all thethings set up, but uh, what a
lot of them do is they don't goto like the oscars or like or
like these sketchy neighborhoodsand stuff like that, that they
don't really go out there orthey only work during the day
time, you know, or stuff likethat, you know.
I mean whatever you could do totry to, you know, stay out of

(54:23):
trouble, you know.
But yeah, a lot of these, a lotof guys it's sad, man, but
fucking, but fucking meth heads,you know.

Speaker 1 (54:30):
Meth heads cartel.
What other layers of crime isthere that I'm not, we haven't
talked about yet.

Speaker 2 (54:41):
Well, smuggling, smuggling From here and back,
anything.

Speaker 1 (54:46):
Does the cartel differ from the smuggling or
it's the same organization?

Speaker 2 (54:52):
Nah, it's the same.
No, it's the same.
I mean um.
The thing is, the bosses arejust about business.
You know, I mean money makingmoney the way you fucking can if
you stole from them, then yeah,they're gonna go for you.
you know, they don't really, youknow.
But then that's like a, that'slike a whole section of like
criminal guys.
Then you got these other guysthat run the trap houses and

(55:13):
shit like that, and that is morelike a gang thing, like whereas
this neighborhood might be fromcertain organization but the
next neighborhood is from theother guys, so they're just
shooting, killing each other'sfucking trap houses and shit
like that, and you know.
But, like I said, that's allsurrounding the meth thing, you
know.

Speaker 1 (55:37):
Quick question that and you know.
But, like I said, that's allaround the surrounding the meth
thing, you know.
Quick question what if I work?
What if I'm a sicario and Iwork for a well-respected,
well-known organization leader?
Let's just say I just executedsomebody, boom, and the police
stopped me.
Am I able to say, hey, I workfor so-and-so man, let me go and
you can go?

Speaker 2 (55:49):
yeah or no?
Yeah, you might.
Yeah if you're, if you're thatyou're on that level.
No way, dude yeah, maybe, yeah,but I mean you might have to
give him some money or depending.
But yeah, yeah, you, you'll beyeah, get out of there, yeah but
, like I said, right now thecops are in a whole mix of
things.
So what if the guy that getsyou it works for your enemy you?
know, oh, because there's threeraw that I know of, you know,

(56:13):
operating in tijuana yeah,that's so fucking sketchy bro
but I mean, if you're reallylike that close to the boss and
stuff like that, and the guysthat get you are just like local
cops, you you definitely beable to tell, like, speak them
off, you know let me ask youthis question is it better for
the public, let for yourself, ifthere's only one cartel down

(56:34):
there, or if you have three, noone, it's better, yeah.
Because they pay the cops, theypay all the cops and stuff like
that, and even the cops, theydon't have to decide.
Everybody's on the same page.
Yeah, they're not gettingkilled for working for the wrong
guy or anything.
They're all for the same thing.
They already know who's who andwho's you know, so it makes

(56:56):
everything smooth.
I mean that's why in Sinaloaeverything was running smoothly
for a lot of years, because theywere all like answering to the
same people you know, or thesame families.

Speaker 1 (57:04):
And then they split.

Speaker 2 (57:05):
Now that it's split, it looks like Tijuana.

Speaker 1 (57:07):
Hey you, you're right , you mentioned the Uber driver
getting shot on the live.

Speaker 2 (57:18):
What about fucking El Pirata de Culiacan, bro?
Well, fuck man.
I mean, there might be someguys that you know just want to
show their boss a trophy, youknow?
Or just do something just forthe or.

Speaker 1 (57:30):
I mean, I'm sure they don't fuck around down there.

Speaker 2 (57:33):
Yeah, I mean, man, obviously he didn't deserve what
happened, but just the thingshe was saying.
You know saying like that, Imean you have to expect somebody
to get, you know, get mad orsomething.
You know, especially probablythat dude.
You have to expect somebody toget mad or something, especially
probably that dude.
Yeah, I mean, especially if,like, I don't know if that were

(57:56):
to happen to me, which obviouslyhas never happened but if I'm
drunk and I'm filmed sayingsomething, the first thing I'm
going to do is call those people, apologize.
And be like hey wait, I wasdrunk.
You know whatever I'll do, youknow, no harm, like just fucking
.
You know whatever I need to doto not have them.
But if you just go on aboutyour life, you know they might
think you really feel that way,you know, fuck dude.
So I met him.

(58:16):
I met Polito Taco.

Speaker 1 (58:17):
Villacan, you did.

Speaker 2 (58:18):
Yeah, I met him at least five times Down there.
Yeah, we were in Los Mochis, wewere out here in Tijuana.
I went to Los Arenales and justwas he still?

Speaker 1 (58:26):
was he?
What is he?
What?
Was he like a social mediainfluencer back then?
Yeah, but he was just a 16 yearold kid man.
Oh fuck, he was only 16.
Yeah, he was just fucking like.
I thought he was an adult,trapped in like a little man's
body.

Speaker 2 (58:37):
You know there's some people.
He was just a kid.
He was literally just a kid,like there's no way like when
you're around him you.
You would be like he's just akid, bro like but he was always
about getting faded, doingfucking yeah because he went
viral for getting drunk.
So everybody, he went everywherehe went, everybody wanted to
get him drunk.
You know, get him drunk and Imean, if you're a 16-year-old
you live in this little likerock star famous like, because
he was poor, you know.

(58:58):
So now he found his life wherehe's.
Where was he from?
I think he was from Sinaloa.
I don't remember what partright yeah, and he was getting
all this attention from, likeartists and influence stuff like
that.
Well, you know, you kind of feelyourself, you know, but uh, uh,
his friend that was with um, hewas working with him.

(59:19):
I know him too.
I shut him out.
Uh, he, he was always like,giving him clothes and like and
telling like, hey, wait, don'tbe doing all that crazy shit,
you know chill, and stuff likethat.
He really cared for them, youknow, yeah, but uh, 16 years old
, all that crazy shit, you know,chill and stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (59:31):
He really cared for them, you know.
Yeah, but at 16 years old, bro,you're fucked.
Yeah, man, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (59:33):
I mean not, that he deserved what happened but, it's
easy to fuck up big and you noteven know what you're stepping
yourself into.
You know Definitely, yeah, soDefinitely.
Rest in peace you mentionedartists.

Speaker 1 (59:45):
What?
What's up with Peso Pluma?
I know recently they put afucking letter out there saying,
hey, you can't come do yourshow down here.
Is that like a political stunt?
Is that real?

Speaker 2 (59:57):
What's your hunch?
In some cases it's not them,but it's, let's say, the
promoters that are involved inshit.
But those big like the bannersand stuff where they, if they
threaten the artists, the citycancels the event.
So it's not that artists werescared of promoting, you know.

(01:00:20):
Sometimes the artist knowswho's talking to.
But if the cartel is like not,but the promoters that are
bringing you here, they owe usmoney and we don't want them,
you know they're, they'reenemies then we're gonna cancel
your show.
We're cool with you, peso, butwe gotta leave this banner out.
So the city cancels the event,so these motherfuckers don't
make money.
You know what I mean to fuck uptheir game, you know.

(01:00:41):
But I mean all the artists.
They're, they're good out there.
Man, unless you're really like,you're really like with someone
you know, like that that thestreets know about because, like
I said, everybody knowseverybody.
If you're just an artist thatjust see this cartel boss just
when he hires you, then justjust another musician, you know.
But if you're always there withthem, you're borrowing his cars
, you're doing this.

(01:01:02):
Oh, somebody bother you, so youtell him hey, he's talking shit
to me then, that's where you'relike hey, wait, you're, you're
kind of part of it now you'reenjoying the fruits of this.
So now you're part of it.
You know, but a lot of theseguys they know, they know that
that's not convenient for them.
You know they're making goodmoney and they're very famous.

Speaker 1 (01:01:20):
You know we're at but at the same time they wouldn't
mind playing a show at a ranchprivate big ass party well, they
got to.

Speaker 2 (01:01:30):
You know, they live in mexico like you know what I?
Mean, I mean and and they'rejust doing their job there.
It's not like they're singingand they're beheading people in
front of them.
You know, it's just a show andsometimes you show up to the
party and it's like a familyparty, it's like kids have you
been to one of those parties?
I've been to many of thoseparties, yeah, and, and a lot of
them, the families are there.
You know, fiesta de losperrones, yeah, and there's some

(01:01:52):
of them that are held in likeand like what they call offices,
which is just like safe houses.
You know where you've been tothose too.
Yeah, those are more wildbecause that's just like a
fucking cartel party like that'sno families, that's just a
bunch of fools doing drugs andgetting drunk with guns and shit
.
But the same organization.

Speaker 1 (01:02:11):
When you say office party, is it because it's in an
office building like this?

Speaker 2 (01:02:15):
No, no, no, no, they call them offices.
It's just safe houses or likeplaces they know that are.
Now, is it a regular house or amansion?
By me?
Mansions it might be likepenthouses, it might be, you
know.
Like elevated studios, like umlike high rises with a view
expensive.

Speaker 1 (01:02:32):
Yeah, a lot of drugs, yeah women, yeah guns yeah bro,
don't make me pull teeth, bro,tell me what.
If I walk in, what the hell amI gonna see?
Very important people withsuits, or do they dress?

Speaker 2 (01:02:47):
normal.
I mean, you know the look, youknow the Givenchy's and the
brands and shit like that.
And they're all like on theirearly 20s, you know kids, almost
looking kids, but with theirlittle handbags, expensive like
Louis Vuitton, everything.
You just see money, man, and Imean there was one time in one

(01:03:08):
of these parties where there waslike $2 million sitting in a
table.
I don't know what the fuck for,but I think they were counting
it or some shit.
And then there was like somefucking I don't know like some
stuff that looked like bricksand there were some guys that
looked like government guys andthere was just a bunch of
20-year-old playing Like.
There was some of them evenplaying like ticklish to one guy

(01:03:30):
, like they were bullying oneguy, but it was just tickles and
shit like that.
And I remember that was thefirst time I had one of my
friends there with me.
So I always leave early thoseparties because I know like
after one or two in the morningshit gets crazy.
So I always leave early.
And we left early and my friendwas telling me like, hey, I seen
that guy in the news and shewas like hey, wait, we get off
the building.
So we got off the building andmy friend was tripping because

(01:03:52):
they're like, anyway, it seemslike these guys are like
dangerous, but they all causethey were all like my friends.
My friend was like 21 orsomething and a lot of them were
his age and they were just likeplaying, like, like horse
playing and shit like that, andthere was musicians playing and
and I don't know.
It kind of felt like, if itwasn't for the things on the
table and the guys that werethere.
It kind of felt like just likea friend oh yeah, a regular

(01:04:13):
kickback.

Speaker 1 (01:04:14):
Yeah, except it was not.

Speaker 2 (01:04:15):
But it's not Definitely.
It's not Definitely, bro, yeah.
And I mean, I remember that daywe had an iconic view because
we got up, got off the building,we crossed the street to catch
our Uber and it's a very welltransit area I'm not gonna say

(01:04:36):
where, but it's a very welltransit area.
And then I remember we lookedup and all of those guys were
laying, were leaning on the onthe thing and they're just
looking at the city.
And we looked up and it we justsaw like the top of the
building.
We saw like eight shadows ofthem, just like.
So it was kind of like acinematic, very cinematic.
You know picture when I picture.
When I looked down I was likelook bro.
I told my friend, look allthese people they don't even
know.
And it's like the boss ofTijuana was just like staring

(01:04:57):
down at everywhere you know.
So yeah, stuff like thathappens.
That's wild, bro, it is.
It's like it's very differentIn TJ.
The game is very different thanother states.
Let me ask you about that bro,you mentioned youngsters 20

(01:05:17):
years old, louis vuitton is thatthe new generation that we're
seeing now?
Yeah, I mean that typical whatyou see on instagram where you
see like rich kids and stufflike that.
You know are those guys?

Speaker 1 (01:05:23):
killers.
I mean, you know what I mean bykillers, bro like I mean maybe
they have it fucking in them tokill a motherfucker.

Speaker 2 (01:05:30):
Yeah, and even if they're not doing it themselves
they can just send people.

Speaker 1 (01:05:37):
You know that's probably where they're at.
Now, did they get to wherethey're at because of their
fruits, of their labor, theirhard work, or are they kind of
piggybacking off of theirfather's legacy?

Speaker 2 (01:05:48):
Depends.
Some of them did.
Some of them had brothers andtheir brother passed away and
now he's just.
Some of them had dads, some ofthem, you know, but um, not a
lot of them just came up bythemselves, really.

Speaker 1 (01:05:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:05:59):
Really yeah, that's the difference in TJ.
You don't really need to belike from a family or something
If you're no way dude.

Speaker 1 (01:06:06):
Yeah, now, in your humble opinion, is there winning
at the end of that game?

Speaker 2 (01:06:13):
I mean, if there was, I would still be in there.
You know, correct, I alwaystell people, like they think I'm
glorifying or stuff like that.
I was like, anyway, if it was acool world or if it was
something like that, like therewouldn't be guys that leave that
world.
Right People would just staythere because you're winning
right, so why would you leave?
But no, the reality is thateven the bosses, every day
there's a thought of like man, Ineed to stop, you know, and

(01:06:37):
because I know, like I haveconversations like, like I said,
like I was saying earlier, mygeneration of like graffiti and
stuff like that.
Some of those guys becamebosses now.
You know, are they alive?
Yeah, and I mean one of them islike of like graffiti and stuff
like that.
Some of those guys becamebosses now.
You know, are they alive?
Yeah, and I mean one of them islike his right hand man to one
of the top bosses and he's myfriend from childhood, you know,
and he's still alive andeverything.

(01:06:58):
So whenever we haveconversations and stuff like
that, we don't really talk aboutlike, oh, how many people you
killed regular friendsconversation, like, anyway, what
you do for new year's, all thisand that, anyway, I've seen
your podcast and stuff like thatand all this.
So they all have that momentwhere I'm like man, I'm fucking
tired bro, like man, like youknow, and and they all wish they
had.
That's why they fuck withmusicians so much, because they

(01:07:21):
just they see, like the, likethe artist lives, it's kind of
their lives, without thecriminality.
Women, money, party music, youknow all these, you know things
that come with it.
It's.
It's like I see it.
They're like man, I wish Icould play an instrument.

Speaker 1 (01:07:39):
You know what I mean, that's why they become?

Speaker 2 (01:07:40):
because they're really fans of the music that
they're like and the lifestyleand stuff and they're like they
admire, like even myself, what,like even myself.
They always give me props.
They're like, hey, wait, likeone of them was even telling me
like, hey, wait, my respects,because you could be doing a
bunch of like, you could be withus.
You know, and you, just like Iknow, you've been struggling
with money.

(01:08:01):
I never take their money foryou know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:08:03):
Why Is it?
Because it's kind of a tit fortat.

Speaker 2 (01:08:05):
No, they're my friends.
Some of them are cool, but Idon't want like no conspiracy
being like you know, if they getcaught or something I don't
want to.
You know, I don't want theirenemies to think I'm working
with them.
You know that's fucking smartbro, yeah a lot of it's just
like nah, you know, chill, andthey get it, you know, and they
give me props for it.

Speaker 1 (01:08:31):
They're like man I wish, like you know.
I mean they wish, they can youknow.
But I mean, do they have anoption at that level?
Do you have an option?

Speaker 2 (01:08:37):
not really, because you already got a list of crimes
that you look for they're mostwanted, guys.

Speaker 1 (01:08:43):
You know I guarantee you once, once the walls close
in on them, it's almost like arelief.

Speaker 2 (01:08:48):
It is, it is it is.
That's why I mean a lot of them.
You know they just fucking letit out.
You know they're like it getsto a point where it's like oh,
finally, you know you know whatI mean.
And then, um, I mean otherstress come after.

Speaker 1 (01:09:00):
You know, like oh, yeah, prison shit and shit like
that.

Speaker 2 (01:09:03):
But but I mean, yeah, they get to an age where
they're like man I'm stress isalways gonna be with me now,
absolutely dude, you know, andbecause, like you said, even
after they get caught you knowthey got to fight in court, they
got to fight in jail stuff.
If they get extradited they'reaway from the family.

Speaker 1 (01:09:20):
Oh, my goodness you know a whole bunch of stress
comes up to that, what thoughtsdo Mexican nationals have about
United States prisons?

Speaker 2 (01:09:34):
nationals have about united states prisons.
Well, the thing is, the thingthey fear the most is that, um,
they're away from their families.
Some of their families can'tcross to see them fuck.
So that's that's really thepart that hurts, I mean.
And then it's the corruption.
You know some in some prisons.
In tj you might be able to havelike your tv and shit like that
.
You know stuff like that.
If you're like in low levelsbut in maximum security and
stuff like that.
not really, but in a lot of them, you know, there's always like
a way Right, and your family cancome see you and shit like that

(01:09:57):
.
But once you're in anothercountry, you know I mean what,
if, what?
If you're an I'm in europe, bro, correct?

Speaker 1 (01:10:15):
like what the fuck you know, so that that's the
real that's the real fear, youknow.
Just being away from your placeof your home, that's crazy dude
.
Yeah, what about el cueva depeludo?
Man, you're familiar with that.
I say that because I say thatbecause I ended up there one
time with co-workers and fuckbro I think we've all ended up
there.

Speaker 2 (01:10:27):
I didn't expect to go there.

Speaker 1 (01:10:29):
I didn't expect to go there, I didn't want to go
there, I had no intention ofgoing there.

Speaker 2 (01:10:33):
I mean, that's just the places, bro, where you're
risking your life for a goodtime.

Speaker 1 (01:10:37):
No way, are you serious, bro?

Speaker 2 (01:10:39):
Yeah, man, I mean, I think right now it's closed.
I don't know if they reopenedit because they've been killing
a lot people in there and stufflike that and and I just all
right.

Speaker 1 (01:10:49):
Remember?
I asked you the question whathappens if I wander around the
over the border?
Will I be all right?
What happens if I'm in likeCueva de Pelugo?
Could I have gotten got?
Yeah, no, because there's afucking asshole.
I'm saying that to my friendsthat drug me over there, bro.

Speaker 2 (01:11:03):
Yeah, because there's a lot selling in the bathroom,
you know, and shit like that,and he and they're very it's
always the low level guys thatthat feel like they got oh you
know what I mean.
That like oh, I'll shoot you, Idon't care, you know where a
boss might be like, anyway, he'sjust a gringo, like you know.
But it's always the low and thelow levels that are trying to
like you know, so.
So you know where you're drunkyou might have his who he

(01:11:26):
considers his girl.
So next to you you know what,what I mean and shit like that.
So it's just, it's just not theplace you want to go, just
stick in Hong Kong.

Speaker 1 (01:11:34):
Is it a?

Speaker 2 (01:11:35):
hangout.
It's a very hot place.
It's a hot place.
Yes, it's a hot place.
And For the street, if it wasLike there's some nice places
when it's not even hot, but alot of buses, nice places where
it's not even hot but a lot ofbuses go there but it's not hot
because it's classy and it'snice and you mix with different
kinds of people.
But Cuéllar Peludo, bro, that'sstreet.

Speaker 1 (01:11:56):
I've been there, bro it was fucking horrible man.
I had anxiety.
I'm telling you dude, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:12:15):
That's.
That's that's like going.
Yeah, that's just not one ofthe places that you want to like
party.
Just, hong kong is dope as fuck, man, and it's safe, and that's
what I heard yeah, that's whatI heard.

Speaker 1 (01:12:22):
I'm a married christian man five minutes away
from the border.

Speaker 2 (01:12:25):
You come and go and then you know no, those places
are good.

Speaker 1 (01:12:28):
You know, come and go and then you know those places
are good.
You know, fuck, dude, I wasthinking about what I was gonna
ask you about um.
Now let's talk about trump 2025, mass deportations and what
about the um?
What was it?
The haitians?
What about when they opened theborder like this way?

(01:12:49):
Were you there for that?

Speaker 2 (01:12:51):
No, no, but like the Haitians are cool, man, like you
really see the difference ofpeople from different countries
and their culture.
Like I remember the Hondureñosyou know that was a big
controversy because they cameout here and they were really
like causing trouble and likeeven they were trying to rush in
the border.
And you know, even even in someof these shelters where they

(01:13:14):
were being fed, they weretalking shit about the food.
no, way about mexican food stufflike that.
Yeah, so you see that.
But then you see the haitianslike once they started migrating
, all of a sudden your waiterwas haitian.
All of a sudden the guycleaning the cars was like they
were all working.
They got like into society,like like just working you know
a lot of them got married.
They spoke like three, fourlanguages, you know, so so did

(01:13:36):
they marry heinous from tijuana?
Yeah, getting their mexicancitizenship.
And then just stay there tillthey either they they got to
cross or just stay in mexico,because in tijuana, because they
like the life.
So now you see a lot of likeHaitians, but they're
incorporated to society they'renot.
They're not as much as likeimmigrants or you know what I
mean.
And it's funny because we havesome like guys from Africa that

(01:13:59):
are trying to pass by asHaitians because, yeah, but, but
there's a word I can't rememberright now and they told me the
other day.
There's a word that means likesomething like.
I can't remember right now andthey told me the other day
there's a word that means likesomething like like fag or some
shit like that which they callthem.
And if they laugh, they'reAfrican, because that's a
Haitian slang.
So if they're like, if theylaugh and they don't know what

(01:14:21):
you're talking, they're like oh,he's African.
But if they, if they're likeanyway, if they amongst the
hoods, where they're like, theywant to see who's who you know,
because, like I said, haitians,they're very like, they're
really liked by the city.
Are they enjoying the life?
Yeah, they are.
I mean, you could tell like alot of them already have, like
their family, families there andstuff like that, so you see
them incorporated to society.
You know, whereas other guys,like I said, like not anything

(01:14:44):
towards Honduranos wave of theycame to tijuana and they were
sheltered there and stuff.
It was just a lot ofdestruction and a lot of things
with the police and stuff likethat, you know, whereas haitians
you never really even seen oneget caught doing the other ones.

Speaker 1 (01:14:58):
They were not only haitians, but wasn't there
another like just group?

Speaker 2 (01:15:02):
oh, venezuelans, and then ukrainians also what about
the venezuelans, bro?

Speaker 1 (01:15:06):
did they?
Did the cartel go arounderadicating them?

Speaker 2 (01:15:09):
Nah or making them disappear.
The cartel.
I mean first of all, why wouldthey do that?

Speaker 1 (01:15:16):
I don't know.
Just that's the rumor over here.
Nah, I mean that was a rumorbro.

Speaker 2 (01:15:20):
I don't know where you are.
Were you aware of that rumor?
No, not really, because it'slike anybody could be in the
city.
But fuck around and you'll findout.
Basically, you know what I mean.
It doesn't matter if you'revenezuelan, whatever, but like
nobody's gonna be activelylooking for you because once you
fuck up, it's easy to get you.
You know we don't need to haveyou like in right on site.

(01:15:41):
You know, eventually if you, ifyou come here to do fuck up
things, we're gonna know anddamn dude.

Speaker 1 (01:15:45):
Yeah, now the women from tijuana.
Is it like a goal to marry likean american and come over on a
green card, or it's not really athing?

Speaker 2 (01:15:54):
uh, a lot of them don't care they don't give a
shit.

Speaker 1 (01:15:56):
Yeah, they don't give a shit, because bro tj's
fucking nice dude.
I mean it is.

Speaker 2 (01:16:00):
I mean like I said you, you really enjoy life out
there.
I mean I mean movie theaters,costco, yeah, everything you got
like you know, uh, it's not.
I mean it is third worldcountry, but it doesn't seem
like.
Tijuana is very, like I said,maybe metropolitan.
So you see nice cars around,you know, you might see like
even lambo or rose royce andshit like that, and you got
these nice areas with big assmansions, you know people with a

(01:16:20):
lot of money and shit like that.
So so it, it's just like a city.
You know this with.
With this crime, you know, likeyou to LA, there's a bunch of
gangs everywhere.
You know Gang members worked inlike hotels and shit like that
and you wouldn't even knowunless you know the politics of
it.
Yeah, so it's kind of the samething.

(01:16:41):
I mean if you see, if you go toclubs and stuff, you see them,
you him, you know, you see them.
You're like, oh, that's theguys out there.
You know, with the fucking 20champagne bottles, yeah, that's
them.
But, uh, but if you know, ifyou're just on about your way,
you might be good what aboutrestaurants?

Speaker 1 (01:16:56):
when you're eating at a restaurant, somebody
important comes in.
They get everybody's cell phone.
Is that a thing?

Speaker 2 (01:17:00):
nah, that might be like in the little pueblitos or
or something like back in theday or stuff like that.
Right now, especially in tj,everybody's low key, you know
like, uh, you see a group of menthat pull up you.
You don't know either if they'relike government or they're bad
guys, because most of the timeit'd be mixed so they go to the
vip area, they go to the reservearea, they go to the places

(01:17:22):
where nobody's going to belooking at them, and stuff like
that.
You know they're more into that.
What about?

Speaker 1 (01:17:29):
tunnels and warehouses.
I know there's a lot of that inOld Thai.

Speaker 2 (01:17:33):
Yeah, old Thai Mesa and all that, a lot of it, bro.
Yeah, well, I don't know, man,I mean they closed one down and
then they found another one andstuff like that.
But I mean they have to have anexit on the US side.
You know what I mean?
Right, and they don't reallynever say anything about that.
You know, they close it down inTJ and they pour concrete on it

(01:17:57):
and stuff like that, but then,yeah, the news makes it oh, the
TJ tunnel, but where's the exit?
You know where did it end?

Speaker 1 (01:18:04):
Let me think about that you have a point?
Well yeah, it's a TJ To me.
You have a point?

Speaker 2 (01:18:11):
well yeah it's a tj.
To me it's a tj tunnel becauseit's going this way, not going
that way.
Yeah, obviously, but I meandrugs have to end, come out
somewhere you know right, it'snot like it's going in libertad
and putting on another colony intijuana.
I mean they're coming on to theus.
So right, who owned thatwarehouse, or where was that?
Right who took care of it?
Who's gonna load up?
The truck where they're gonnatake to take these drugs.

Speaker 1 (01:18:29):
It kind of ends there , you know, hey, so dude.
Now you have your own podcast,man El Bordo, on YouTube MX.
How'd you get into that, dude?

Speaker 2 (01:18:38):
Well, I started getting.
I always been like I said,creative, like I was like a draw
and I always listened to a lotof music, a lot of music.
I was kind of his sidekick, soI learned the ins and outs of
like the industry.
I would be there in themeetings and all this stuff, and

(01:18:59):
eventually I always watchedcontent on YouTube, like even
from satellite radio, likecomedians like Opie and Anthony
show Joe Rogan and like all thatstuff.
So, but it wasn't big in mexico.
And then eventually I like,after the covid thing, like
podcasts were big in mexico andI tried to get a couple people
to be like, hey, I'll let me bethe producer and you'll be the

(01:19:20):
host, because I was still likenot wanting to be like in the
spotlight, I was still kind ofshy and stuff.
But all those guys that I gotfor those they kept saying the
same thing, like anyway, thatthat's your project, bro, like
you're the guy that knows theartist, you're the guy that
knows like has the trust withthis guy, this guy.
So so, yeah, man, eventually Ijust fucking manned up and and
well, some things happened thatI left tj, like it.

(01:19:41):
Um, I had an uncle that passedaway in a in a ugly way and I
was just kind of sick of likeeverything and all the drama and
all this like who did this, andlike just being in the mix of
that.
And so I pulled away from thatand just started focusing on
what I want to do with this.
And yeah, man, I got someequipment.
At first I kind of rented it,and then I got somebody to lend
me some money.

(01:20:02):
I bought some cameras, and thenI bought this and that, and
then you have to learn thelighting.
That's why I was checking outyour setup.
It's because I've been havingtrouble with my lighting and I
was like, oh shit, I could justdo it from yeah and then I've
been learning that way and andjust because I was very involved
in the industry, I have somegood connects like of musicians,
producers and even some likecomedians and stuff like that.
And that's kind of where Istarted getting.

(01:20:23):
And then again lucha parra, oncehe hooked me up with danny
jones, then that kind of openedup the way to this and I've been
to a lot of podcasts.
Yeah, I enjoy it, man, I likeit.
I like it now.
I like creating my own shit, mychannel Doing good, you know
relatively good.

Speaker 1 (01:20:38):
You definitely have the personality, bro.
You have the personality to youknow.
Chop it up.
I know you said you wanted tomake your content in English
that way it's bilingual.

Speaker 2 (01:20:45):
like I said, I know a lot of audience follows me and
right, just let them know whatyour channel is on the ig and on
the youtube, bro, where theycan find you at el bordo mx,
everywhere at el bordo mx andyoutube, tiktok, instagram,
facebook, everywhere and we'llput the link below man el bordo
mx.

Speaker 1 (01:21:01):
Uh, so again, dude, thank you for coming, bro
appreciate it man anytime greatconversation there.
You guys have it, folks.
Another banger for the books.
Man, if you like what you guyssaw, make sure you hit that
subscribe button.
Love, you guys keep pushingforward unhinged line.
Hector's legend engraved livinglife raw.

(01:21:23):
Never been tamed from the hoodto the pen truth entails pen
hector.

Speaker 2 (01:21:28):
Bravo, one hinge story never ends, thank you.

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