March 10, 2021 • 38 mins
"Life is a game. Do you know what you're here to play?"
In this episode Sri Sritha speaks to the multifaceted spark-Hana Jung of Reboot Experiences We uncover her experience and lessons learnt form her playful yet high acheiving life of being a competitive figure skater-yacht crew-tech whiz-serial entrepreneur-startup advisor-award winning painter-marketing director-surfer-mindset coach to following her mission to designing inner expeditions for high impact leaders finding their higher power, purpose and self-mastery.
We discuss decision matrix, finding confidence to follow your heart, breaking away the perfectionist asian family values, to her enlightening vision of a video game sim character explaining humanity's game plan and her mission in the play.
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Welcome to this powerfulcontainer of infinite
possibilities to a highest stateof awareness.
Join me.
Should we shut that tie as weuncover the pathways to the
world's most illuminatedleaders, Seacoast creators.
And perhaps even some saintsToday you have with me, Hannah
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Jong, a serial entrepreneurstartup advisor mindset, coach
an Olympic trained figure skatertech with.
And a playful spark that we allneed and our world.
How passionate for connectingand elevating people across
industries led her to begin hercompany reboot experiences to
impact change among futureleaders.
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Entrepreneurs and creativesaround the world.
I was really attracted to herbecause of her Asian heritage.
And how she moved throughcultural expectations and the
pressures of high achievementand excellence.
To follow a non-traditional paththat was more close to her
spirit.
I have constantly found myselfin the past, fighting these
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norms and expectations to followmy inner seemingly non-linear
and eccentric path myself.
Hannah has been leading her idealife at every point of a life.
So go check out her Instagram.
Reboot experiences to see andlearn more about how she spends
her time suffering and thrivingacross Mexico, Nicaragua,
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Portugal, and America, whiledesigning.
Inner expeditions for highimpact focused leaders.
And helping them move throughfears, upgrading mindsets, and
intentionally claiming theirfull potential.
I really do hope that you getlit up.
Like I did connecting to herfascinating story.
Practices and journey to findingher Nirvana.
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Thank you again.
And here we go.
Hana (02:04):
Thank you for having me.
Sri (02:05):
I met you how most friendships these days and
quarantines happen on theinternet.
I saw one of your ads for yourbusiness reboot experience got
targeted.
Very rightfully to me.
So good job, Instagramalgorithm, I had heard about
regroup through one of ourcommon friends, Jonathan Stone,
who's the founder of flu Intel.
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What I really loved about youwas how You were in alignment
and you spoke about.
What your mission was veryunapologetically and it was
rooted in, your sense ofconfidence of what you were
doing so thank you so much forsaying yes.
Hana (02:45):
Absolutely.
I love supporting, people whowant to spread more light in
this world.
And that is my mission is toelevate and empower and support
those that do want to do that.
Sri (02:57):
I wanted to know.
The backstory of why you're sucha light chaser.
How was your experience as achild?
Hana (03:04):
My experience as a child, I actually feel like now is more
closely aligned to how I was asa child.
It's like, obviously throughlife, like programming, you
learn to distrust that innerchild.
And me as a kid was like,actually very similar to now,
which was like, I was constantlycreating like games and
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imaginary worlds I grew up in abig family.
I'm the only girl I have allyounger guy, siblings and
brothers.
And they were just like thesewild, like lost boys.
And I would make up games forthem to interact with each
other.
I was always barefoot.
I was such a tomboy.
Like I remember playing so hardthat like the only time I would
come inside was when thefireflies would come out.
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And when the grass starts to getcold, after the sunset.
So it's a very vivid memory, butI was very much a wild child.
And now I live in Nicaragua,Bali, Lisbon, and I'm always
barefoot, like running throughthe jungle and surfing.
I was born in Texas, grew up inDallas, but actually traveled
quite a bit.
So I think I've always had anomadic soul.
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I was a competitive ice skater.
So I spent time betweenCalifornia, Colorado, Michigan,
um, basically training withdifferent Olympic coaches.
And it was a pretty intense, butvery fun time in my life, which
gave me a lot of focus and driveand.
I think that's where theachievement side of me comes
from.
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But yeah, childhood was verybusy.
Like I did everything frommartial arts.
To art.
I was, an artist from a veryyoung age.
Half of my family are doctorsand the other half are artists.
So I very much grew up in a veryhybrid life.
So I've always seen the benefitsof both sides.
Yeah.
Competitive ice skating I'mtrying very hard not to fat
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girl.
Yeah.
That literally is tapping intosome kind of magical force.
I was really attracted to itbecause it was really fun for
me.
I started really, because inDallas there's, the Galleria has
like an indoor ice rink.
And so my mom would go shopping.
She'd just dropped me off at theice drink and then go shopping
for a few hours
Sri (05:12):
They wanted you to do it or you liked it.
Hana (05:15):
I was obsessed.
And then obviously, like whenyou follow something that you
love.
You get better at it becauseit's a game to you and it's fun.
And then you re rise the rankspretty quickly.
And then it started at the upperlevel starts to get really
intense.
Like literally like seeing asports psychologist, like doing,
um, off ice training with likeweights and then ballet and
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like, pretty much like I wasworking.
I felt like it was working 24seven.
I was like still taking alladvanced classes in high school.
I happened to go to a veryunique school.
Melinda Gates was an alumni.
So we were one of the firstschools in the U S to have wifi
in the late nineties.
And we all were required to havelaptops.
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So then that really introducedme to technology.
So I started coding and I builtmy first website for a women's
shelter at the age of, uh, Ithink it was like 16 when I did
that.
I had the sports and then likeon the weekends I would paint
and like create things.
And I sold my first paintingwhen I was like, nine or 10.
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I was always playing in multiplespheres, so that's why it was
like strange because I neverfelt like I truly belonged in
one category.
Whereas like I was having fun,just playing in all of them.
So sports tech and also arts.
Sri (06:31):
It was mostly because you were following your higher
excitement or was it becauseyour family was competitive?
Because as a kid, I did so manythings.
I didn't really follow through alot of stuff It takes a lot of
maturity to be able to followthrough in an adult way.
And it seems to me that you didit in a playful manner.
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what do you think accounted youto be able to achieve it and
have result?
Hana (06:58):
Yeah, I think, there was definitely like growing up as an
Asian family.
My parents were very, as youcould imagine, like must
achieve, must get this and thisand this, which yes, I did feel
some of that pressure, but Ialways found a way to find my
own connection to it, to makesure that I was always still
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having fun in the moment that itstopped being fun.
I just refused to do it.
Like it got to the point wherelike ice skating, for example,
it just got to the point where Iwasn't having fun anymore.
It just got so serious.
So competitive to the pointwhere it was like, just about
the output and it was prettytraumatic.
Like my mom was highlyperfectionist.
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They, she only measured my, Iguess, worth based on my output.
So I remember like even cominghome with like silver, Metals.
And she'd just be like, Oh, justlike throw it away.
Like it's not first place.
When she had like on trophyroom, it was kind of eerie.
But like that reallycommunicated to me at a young
age, that achievement was whatshe valued, but it's not what I
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value, but it's, this is whatchildren do is like you notice
these patterns likeperfectionistic tendencies
usually are rooted in.
Uh, need to, get a validation onyeah.
One or more of your parents.
So that's sort of what itstemmed like for me.
And it took me years of justlike focused work to break that
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habit of.
Perfectionism and achievement.
but how I followed through wasreally, I found the joy in my
own, my own connection to it,but the moment it stopped, I was
happy to let it go.
Obviously fighting with myparents every step of the way,
but I was a very headstrongchild and I feel like I am now
as well, but I'd say.
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Headstrong 2.0, where I'm alittle bit softer with it, where
it's a, more of a release than apush.
Sri (08:51):
So wasn't any guilt off disappointing them when you had
to, you had such a career andyou were good at it but at that
point in time, you werelistening, still able to listen
to your inner.
Ways to went to stop and dosomething else.
how were you able to really bethat headstrong and not attach
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to the gift?
Cause that really brings a lotof people down.
Hana (09:15):
Absolutely.
I think for, it was a lot harderto listen to my intuition when I
was actually living at home.
So all throughout high school.
And I think that's probably oneof the reasons why I chose to go
to university and Boston insteadof staying in Texas, because I
think intuitively I knew that Ineeded to break free from.
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This like it, you know, it'shard to escape when you like
live with your parents and, youabsorb their frequencies and
what they want for you.
And even though inside, I waslike, this is not right.
I still went along with itbecause it's a means of
survival.
What am I going to do?
Say no, but in my own way, I'msure it's like part of being a
rebellious teenager, but in myown way, I started.
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Training them on how to receiveme as saying no.
So by the time that I made likehuge steps, they were just like,
Oh, it's just this is one in thesame.
So in some way it was a seriesof letting them down, let it
quote unquote letting them down.
But ultimately they see thetrajectory of my life and
they're like, you know what,Hannah, we trust you.
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Like the first couple of timeswe were like, what the hell is
she thinking?
But every single like inflectionpoint where I chose the
non-obvious step, they werelike, you know what?
You always seem to land on yourfeet.
And it always seems to be in abetter place.
So like clearly, you know,something we don't so.
Just be safe.
And you knew that you had thattrust in yourself that I can go
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do this and I'll always learnand always be safe.
What helped you to feel thatsafety?
I honestly think it's a lot todo with being a competitive ice
skater.
I think about this all the time.
Seriously, even though it was solong ago, like I'm like now
almost 37 and I always thinkabout it like how much I gained
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from.
Ice skating because it put meinto the practice mindset
because it's not like you justput on your skates and all of a
sudden you could, do a tripleLutz and do the perfect spins
and all of these things.
It's ridiculous.
You have to put in hours ofpain, literally pain, bruising
to the point where I can't evensit down and like falling
countless times, getting cut,it's getting bruises always.
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But that put me in the mindsetof like pain and suffering and,
practicing and failing,practicing, failing is just a
part of the process.
So I think even if I didn't getit right now, like I knew I
would, at some point if I justkeep at it, but be patient with
myself.
So I think that really gave me adifferent set of programming.
Apart from what my parents weregiving me.
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So it was really grateful
Sri (11:53):
so almost if someone was looking and now most of the
people who might be listeninghere are adults.
So, but in a way to do that forthe kids, the next generation,
it's almost like allowing themto bind their own culture, what
resonates with them and whathelps them to reach that
pinnacle of their identity ofsuccess.
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Right.
And that's what you had, but nowyou also had such a varietal
background.
You were a professional skateryou got into luxury yacht, a
very successful startup.
Um, you're also an advertisingworld.
Could you take us a little bitthrough all these interesting
inflection points and trajectoryand what did we learn about who
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you are right now through allthese places?
Hana (12:39):
absolutely.
It was totally like appealingthe layer, The first inflection
point of like leaving Texas wasmy first step into myself.
And in university I studiedmarketing, so natural
progression moved to New Yorkand into the ad world.
So I.
Quickly progressed in the adworld.
And I worked for some really bigname, luxury clients like Rolex
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and Samsung, both in New Yorkand in London.
And that was incredible time forme.
I really learned so much aboutan industry.
I had no idea about.
And it got to the point where Iwas sort of pivoting around,
even though I knew deep downinside, I was like ready for a
big change.
But I was afraid to take thatstep because of the security, of
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a good job money.
And that was when the parentprogramming, came in, it's like
pick security, pick the money,like, what are you doing?
And so I was like, okay, youknow what?
Maybe I'll Double down and gointo the startup world.
Cause then at least I feel likeI'm making a direct impact and
having a bit more control in mylife.
So I went in the startup world,but.
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Of course it was not the answerbecause I was looking externally
and what that led to was like afast track to burnout.
I ended up being hospitalizedlike twice in a month, due to
stress induced ulcers.
And it was a huge wake up callcause I was around 31, I believe
31 32.
And that was around the age thatmy uncle, my closest uncle had
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passed away when he was 32 fromstomach cancer.
And.
That was like a big alarm bell,which I could no longer ignore
that my intuition pretty muchmanifested itself as a physical
symptom.
So that was really what led meto take a good look at.
The life that I had built up tothat point, I was like on paper,
living this perfect New Yorklife, you know, friends, nice
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apartment and grim, dating andhaving a lot of fun, traveling
all of that.
But something just didn't feelright.
And that led me to start with itwasn't even that much courage.
It was excitement that led me tobuild something like the next
chapter.
And I asked myself twoquestions.
One was.
What do I need to learn?
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And at that time in my life.
And I think it was comingthrough multiple sources.
Whether at work through myfriends, through my
relationships, through myphysical symptoms, it was like
this.
Very clear indication that likeI need to release control.
So I was like, okay, I need tolearn how to release control.
What can I do?
What experiment can I run onmyself that will allow me to
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release control It wasdefinitely scary because feeling
like everything that you've beenbuilding was just a lie just is
very, very unnerving.
And in some way, I saw it forwhat it was, it was a house of
cards.
And I was like, what is, what amI actually building this for?
Like, do I want to be.
The CEO of this company, or do Iwant this person's job?
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I'm like, no, like I couldn'tlook around.
I looked around and I couldn'tsee a model of what I actually
wanted for my life.
So I'm like, what the heck am Iactually doing here?
And that was weirdly the firsttime I even asked that question.
Sri (15:47):
Yeah.
And then, so what were the otherquestions that
Hana (15:50):
you assess?
Yeah.
So the first question is, whatdo I need to learn?
And then two was, when was thelast time I was truly happy and
free because that's what I wasgoing for.
I was like, I need to like, feelgood again.
And so I go on sailing tripswith my friends, here and there
throughout the years.
And I was like, you know what?
I love being in nature.
I love being, especially onwater.
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I was like, hi.
I wonder if there's a job that Ican find like near the water on
the water or whatever.
So I literally Googled.
How to travel and make money.
And I came across as like randomblog post and it was like,
number one, teaching English.
I was like, I am not patientenough for that too.
It was like, you know, you canvolunteer.
And I was like, I'm definitelynot nice enough for that.
And the third one was like,we're going to super.
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And I was like, Hey, this soundsweird.
And just weird enough that Icould be interested in this.
So I was going back and forthand I was having this like
crazy.
Moment where I was.
I built a decision matrix.
That's super nerdy, but I stilluse it to this day where I was
like, evaluating.
Do I go to business school?
Do I work for another company?
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Do I start working for myself?
As a freelance marketingconsultant or do I work on this
like boat?
So I evaluated it across manydifferent touch points and it
still kind of came up that I.
Wanting to do yachting weirdlybecause the cost benefit
analysis was basically like,okay, worst case scenario.
I could do this as a one-yearexperiment.
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If it's horrible, I'm at a pointin my career that I can always
fall back on a desk job.
I can always get another job.
people are always looking formarketing help anyway.
I felt secure enough tocompletely cut the tie, knowing
that I can catch myself becauseI knew.
What I knew.
It's not like someone's going tojust zap my brain and take away
my skills.
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It's something that I will haveforever.
So I was like, you know what?
Let's just take this next yearfor me to learn, to release my
control.
And also just to find joy inbeing nature and do something so
drastically different than adesktop, because I've tried the
half-assed measures.
I've tried the pivoting toclient side and maybe startup
and this, but it was allmarketing was still the same.
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World.
So I'm like, I need to dosomething real drastic.
I'm not saying that everyoneshould do something so drastic,
but the point of it is like, itneeds to like really shake you
up at your core level.
And it was wonderful.
Cause I did get that.
I did have to release control.
Sri (18:12):
And when you did that, you learnt so many things about
yourself and you kind of almostdipped into this true inner
knowing.
And then being out in the ocean,there's something really magical
because it's just, you, you havepots.
And the deep sea.
I'm a daughter of a Navalofficer.
So my entire life, I was a nomadlike you and my closest friend
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was the C I, in fact, I wouldtalk to the sea and, and if I
was sad, if I was mad I'd go tothe sea of I remember being out
in the scene, I was like, thisis the secret to life.
This is how we can be happy.
And what I see that you wereable to tap into the voices of
the seat.
it helped you set off on thisjourney of self discovery.
Hana (18:55):
Exactly.
And what I've discovered is likesimilar to you.
I've gained so much learningfrom the ocean.
I surf.
So I learned so much about lifeeven through surfing hiking.
And I find these days whenpeople ask me like, Oh, do you
have a recommended podcast orreading list?
And I was like, yeah, like I canrecommend it.
But honestly, this is not truefor everyone, but I'm the weirdo
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that chooses not to ingest morecontent, because that was for
me, like during my twenties andearly thirties, when I needed to
consume content to kind of seeother pathways.
But once it gets to that pointwhere you get there, like any
more, it's like repetition Myonly recommendation is spend
more time in nature and spendmore time with yourself because
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these days, my greatest teacheris nature.
Like even observing the trees,like even when I was going
through.
the loss of another familymember.
I read books very selectively,but not overdo it, even though
the common knowledge right nowis like everybody consume all of
the books do as much as you wantand blah, blah, blah, like
consume, consume, consume.
Sri (19:58):
And where personal development is becoming so toxic
where everybody's kind oflauding themselves.
I've seen a lot of people whohave a lot of knowledge, The
double sides of how they're notnice to themselves.
That is the main indicator andthere's something about.
Experiencing spirituality getconnected to what your human
sense is to connecting to natureto that oneness and we've
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forgotten what our true powerand essence is.
When I moved to New York threeyears ago, I was following my
soul.
I was following my inner voice.
I honestly had this game withmyself.
I had a lot of criticism ofbeing too free-spirited and I
don't think I'm free-spirited.
But people saw me as that.
And I remember being like, okay,if this is a criticism, there's
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something I should listen to it.
And it's affecting me.
Let me go to a place where it's.
So difficult to be a free spiritwhere it's so difficult to be
spiritual.
And let me see if I canself-actualize what does it mean
to be spiritual?
So I stopped reading any book.
I stopped doing any healing.
I was a hypnotherapist.
My whole world was about helpingwomen to connect with
themselves.
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And okay, it's great to bespiritual in a place like.
Bali with everybody around youis in the same frameworks, like
you said, but it's so difficultto be in a place that's so hard
that doesn't trust for you tolearn how to trust yourself.
So for me, the last three years,we're experiment of that next
level of self-actualization.
So funny story with thatstorytelling was, I was doing
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chocolate meditation atLaGuardia.
They invited me for a teambuilding meditation we need a
little bit of this.
I remember going.
And the funny part is I had thisbrief, they're like, you know
what?
We want you to inspire them, butdon't inspire them too much
because we don't want them toleave their jobs.
Everybody wants to leave theirjobs and follow their hearts
they talk to you.
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And I read that you help highachieving leaders surrender, to
build their life.
That they didn't intentionallychoose.
It's so relevant because there'sa bigger tipping point where
people are going through thisinner conversation where like,
is this much great?
Like, is this giving me all thelove that I thought it would is
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this job what I want?
What is that phenomenon that'shappening?
Hana (22:16):
A lot of the work that I do with reboot experiences and
specifically working withleaders who have achieved this
like upper echelon of success,like the good on paper success,
and.
Have questioned this for awhile.
So these are leaders who havesort of toe dipped into
spirituality and wants to kindof integrate that somehow.
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But they know that they can't doit in their current state, but
yet they're afraid that if theyleave it completely, they'll,
they'll sacrifice safety ofabundance, all of these things.
And they don't know what's onthe other side, so they fear it.
So my job really is to help themunpack.
What is not there to carry.
So for example, a lot of theleaders that I work with,
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especially during the pandemicand during COVID are starting to
really start to fast track theirtimelines.
So maybe in a normalcircumstance, they would
probably wait a few more yearsbefore even having this, like
come to Jesus moment wherethey've always questioned.
They've always knew that likethe answer is beyond this
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current reality that they builtfor themselves and they know
that this is not.
It, but they either don't knowwhere that next step is, or they
have too many ideas that like,they are not sure which to
choose because they don't, theyhaven't done the work to build
that inner guidance system.
I'm a very visual person.
So what I would like to say ishappening is like people are
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coming to the realization thateverything that they've worked
for is building outward.
So manifesting things in theexternal world, external growth,
achievement, achievement,achievement, it's all answering
the external growth, but nowit's no longer about external
consumption and more aboutinternal expansion.
And so I think people havestarted to dabble in the inner
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expansion, but not betting bigon that expansion.
They haven't fully committed tothat yet.
And I think now it's getting tothat breaking point where
they're like, okay, enough, likeclearly like look at all the
breakdowns happening, like on asocietal governmental world
level.
I can't wait for someone else totell me when it's time.
I can't wait for it to be theperfect moment it needs to be.
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Now I need to bet on myselfright now.
And so.
That's what I'm helping themthrough to like UN reveal, who
they think they are and thenremove the parts of them that
are actually not them.
So it's a part deprogrammingprogramming.
And then.
Being able to clearly see whothey actually are.
Like that story of, Michelangelothey were like, Oh, there's this
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block of marble.
And you just stare at it andthen all he did was released the
statue by removing all that wasnot it.
So that's sort of what I'm doingwith this work is Piece by piece
and very methodically over acourse of like eight weeks.
For example, I work with a groupsetting and I really helped take
apart piece by piece.
Who do you think you are?
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Like, what do you think youvalue versus what you actually
value?
And it's never the same, whichis shocking because so many
people build their lifeaccording to their perceived
values.
But if you build it on like fakevalue system, it's actually not.
Your foundation, right?
So what you build on top of itis never going to stand.
It's not going to link up yourheart and your mind because
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something is not right.
You're not being honest aboutwhat your real values are.
So when you finally look at whatyour real values are, you can
finally create a life that'srooted in something real it's
rooted in who you actually are,so that when you make your
decisions and you start buildingsomething from a place of This
is what I value.
This is two, and this is how Iwant to help people show up for
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the world.
Truly not how it's going to makeme look not how others are going
to perceive me, not how, myparents are going to, applaud me
and make them feel proud of me.
It's not coming from that place.
It's just completely rooted inthe foundation within them.
And then only then you buildsomething long-term that
actually feels right for you.
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And it's definitely a lot morefun that way.
Anyway, you just feel it in yourbody.
It's it becomes like play andnot work.
Sri (26:27):
What.
According to you has been thebiggest mental block that we see
a lot of leaders and creatorshave because what they built
seems real as
Hana (26:36):
well.
Yes, absolutely.
I think it's fear at the root ofit all, whether that fear
manifests as fear of, Losingeverything like, you know, they
have some sort of tie to likeabundance and they need to heal
that relationship or fear offailure.
So those are sort of the twomost common things.
Um, because a lot of the leadersthat I work with are super like
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kind and heart-centered, andthey're like, Oh, like, who am
I?
Like, what am I going to reallydo?
Like, who's going to listen tome.
Like, I've, I've invested allthis time into building this
life and they almost have likethis.
They don't understand that it'sa sunk cost.
They don't understand that theycan start over and like, you
don't need to keep investing init.
So for survival, when we firstdeveloped as human beings, like
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we needed fear but obviouslythat's been completely turned
around and we've used our ownemotional fears and it feels
like in our body, like it'sactual life or death.
And so what I do a lotspecifically to answer.
This block of fear is I do.
What's called fear trainingwhere I create, I always like to
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integrate fun andexperimentation because I think
life is way too serious.
So what I do with fear is I getthem to see fear for what it is,
where did it come from andunderstanding your story.
Because first of all, you needin order to start tackling it,
you have to know where it comesfrom.
What are your triggers?
And then second, I explain topeople that like fear in our
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body is actually the same asexcitement.
So whether that's like whenyou're going down a roller
coaster, you know, you're notgoing to die.
So it's an excitement.
The only difference is your mindtells your body, is it fear like
you're going to die or is itfear?
Excitement?
And I do like the fear trainingis about switching that pathway
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in your brain.
So I have them createexperiments in their life too.
It's almost like a contact, um,conditioning.
So for example, for the longesttime, I was afraid of.
Being rejected.
I hated the word.
No, like it would really cut medeep.
So I created an experiment formyself where I was going to
collect the nose.
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So I, in college, in university,I worked at the phone center and
basically asking.
Alumni for money, which you'regoing to get turned down all the
time.
So the first couple of times Iliterally burst into tears.
Like it was so embarrassing.
Like I didn't feel comfortablecrying in public at that time.
So it was horrible, but I stuckwith it because I'm like I got
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to get used to it.
I'm like building up my own.
Resilience to the word.
No, because that's what I fearmost, so better.
Get it done now.
So, but now it's like in a waythat it doesn't matter if I get
rejected by a stranger, becauseit's not something I care about.
So I literally trained myself toget used to saying no to the
point where I was making itagain.
Like how many nos can I get thishour?
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And the funny thing was like,eventually people started saying
yes.
So in actually leaning into thefear and making it a game.
You actually create the resultthat you want to anyway.
It's like a by-product of youfacing that fear.
So that's what I do with peopleis to get them to think about it
as a game and make an experimentfor yourself.
So you can actually become morefamiliar with your fear, bring
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it close.
So it's not something scary andit's something that's
manageable.
Sri (29:57):
it's also called exposure therapy.
You put down all the things thatare scaring you, and then you
keep exposing yourself todesensitize and remove the
layers So, You have managed tocreate this beautiful experience
here called reboot experiences.
You do dinners, bring differentcommunity leaders and creators
How were you able to do thattransition from making this your
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big yes.
And turning it into such a waythat other people are also
integrated into thatexpansiveness that you've tapped
into.
Hana (30:31):
Well, At the time.
I worked on yachts, like forcelebrities and like scrubbing
toilets and whatnot as anexperiment to release control.
In that time I created abusiness which was a yacht, like
a staffing app for the luxuryyacht industry.
And I knew that that wasn't myend game, but I've created it
anyway just to see, cause itlooked fun.
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And at the end, like I ended upexiting that company.
So tightly that, like I had anabundance to actually start
something from a place of myheart.
And, and before it's not like Ihad this idea before I even
found the money.
I actually found it weirdlyenough in a, in a meditation.
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Um, A breath, work meditation.
So basically in breath work, Ihad this crazy visualization
where I heard this voice.
And when I say heard, it's morelike someone.
It injected it into my brain,like inception.
And it was like, life is a game.
And I was like, yeah.
Okay, cool.
Like, this is what everybody is.
So Instagram quote.
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And I'm like, sure.
And he's like, but do you knowwhat game you're playing?
And I didn't have an answer.
Like, well, let me show you.
And this being came in the formof this light ball and this
light bulb kind of pulsatedlike, and divided itself into
three different cells.
And it expanded from it likethis balloon.
Like clear-ish balloonstructure.
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And inside this ballooninstructor, there are all these
little fairy lights, like, looklike fireflies roaming around
this balloon and he's zoomed inand he's like, this is your
universe.
These are the other universesthat are happening at the same
time, but this is yours.
And he's like, I was like, Oh,this is so cool.
And he's like, look closer.
And it was like all these littlelike SIM characters, like all
these little like characters,like a video game.
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And I think, I think this beinglike used imagery, that would
make sense to me because I docome from kind of a tech nerd
background.
So he was like, um, in, inprogramming, there's like this
term Easter egg, which is likethis hidden line of code that
you don't know is there unlessyou're looking for it.
So basically all these peoplewere running around with this
like yellow light inside ofthem.
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And he's like, this is the same.
Like software that isn't all ofthem.
He's like, but it's like thesecret, like Easter egg, but
they don't know that it's there.
So I was observing like thisworld and some people were
trying to buy the Easter eggfrom a shop.
And some people were, you know,just going about their life,
like to work and building housesand not even realizing that
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there's anything going on on theinside.
Others had completely like givenup.
Like it's like someone like letgo of the remote control.
And it was just like, thisplayer was like sitting idle,
looking really sad and reallydoll.
And then others pulled that out,their yellow light and they were
like freaking out.
They're like, um, hello, likeanybody else?
And it was really cool becauseit unlocked another layer.
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I don't want to say dimension,but it almost looked like
another, like thin veil, like alayer where the people who had
found their yellow light hadstart to recognize each other.
And they were like waving ateach other and they started
walking towards each other.
And I was like, Oh, this is socool.
I was like, okay.
So I was speaking back to thebeing and I was like, so it was
a point of this game.
To basically find our light andhe's like, well, yes, but also
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no, I'm like, all right.
So when does this game end?
And he's like, well, that is thequestion.
Like, isn't it.
And I observed it.
And I noticed that as theselights, the people who found
their light were clumpingtogether, like around their
vicinity, like the people thatwere just on the fringes, their
light, they started findingtheir light.
Like faster.
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And even like the people in thefar corner of this like balloon
universe, there were people thatwere starting to walk towards
the light, even though theydidn't know why they were
walking, they were just like,magnetised by it.
And the closer and closer andcloser they got to the center,
they started kind of like wakingup.
And then all of the lightsstarted turning on and the clump
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of light got bigger and bigger.
And I was like, Oh, this is socool.
And I was like, so does the gameend?
Like.
When X number of people likefind their line, he's like,
well, no, you're trying toactually get to a hundred
percent found.
I was like, what, like everyonein the universe.
And he's like, yes.
I was like, this is impossible,absolutely impossible.
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I was like, so upset.
I was like, he, you know,humans, like they're flawed.
And like, whatever.
I was like, okay, well, whathappens if someone finds their
light and they die?
It's like, well, then it'll justget rebooted in the next person
that arrives because everyonehas the exact same chance of
winning and every exact samechance of finding their light.
He's like, but.
You saw something that I'mgiving you like a little hint,
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like this world, it's not alwaysgoing to be such a slow trickle
of like finding your light.
It's going to hit an inflectionpoint.
Cause it's like a networkeffect.
Right?
So at some point humanity get toa point where people will start
to find their light faster andfaster.
So it will become a possibilityfor humanity to get to a hundred
percent found rate.
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I was like, Oh my God, like,this is crazy.
But.
After this crazy conversation,which felt like hours, it was
actually real time, only like 15minutes, which is bonkers.
And I really came out of theexperience thinking like, I am
that like I am.
A connector just naturally in mynormal life.
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And I was like, what if Ileveraged that natural ability
to connect, but use it in orderto get people to that next level
faster.
I don't think it's going tohappen in my lifetime, but if I
can kick the goal faster, if wecan raise that percentage of
found like higher, why not in mylifetime and make it fun.
So that really is what led to mebuilding reboot.
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It came in the form of aretreat, but it was never a
retreat.
It was just one manifestation,one tool to bring people closer
together.
Answering the very same coremission, to continue to.
Elevate people so that they canfind their light.
So the reason why I workspecifically with leaders is in
my mind leaders who are alreadyat that cusp, who are asking the
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right questions, who know thatfeeling inside and are very
familiar with it, are the peopleon the outer edges, like just
close to get finding their theEaster egg.
So I want to get them therefaster because they have the
potential to network andinfluence and empower and
enlighten their followers.
So that's really what I'm doingis I'm specifically working with
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people who have the potential tospread light faster.
Sri (37:03):
that is inspiring how you are following that really crazy.
What some people would calldelusion, and I've got that
they're like crazy, but I thinkit does take a certain in what
normal people term, the crazy ittakes a certain level of you to
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break out of.
norm to create a massive change,to bring change for yourself.
And would you say that you havefound your path to Nirvana?
Hana (37:33):
I think so, but I was just thinking about this today.
I feel like in a lot of mymeditation that I have full on.
I know it sounds crazy,especially because my background
is I'm so tech and logic brain.
So even to hear myself, I'm likewhat the hell has happened.
But I find like the way that Iresonate best is because I can
balance both the logic and themore spiritual quote unquote
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intellect.
Right.
Exactly.
Exactly intellect intuition.
I think that's where the realsecret lies is the balance and
the harnessing of both.
Sri (38:05):
This has been such a delightful, illuminating
conversation with you.
I am so grateful for the paththat you're on and I'm very
excited to meet you at one pointin real life.
Thank you so much
Hana (38:20):
thank you.
And with that, we come to anend.
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Thank you Goodwill goodbye andvishing you hello nirvana
Welcome to this powerfulcontainer of infinite
possibilities to a highest stateof awareness.
Join me.
Should we shut that tie as weuncover the pathways to the
world's most illuminatedleaders, Seacoast creators.
And perhaps even some saintsToday you have with me, Hannah
(00:35):
Jong, a serial entrepreneurstartup advisor mindset, coach
an Olympic trained figure skatertech with.
And a playful spark that we allneed and our world.
How passionate for connectingand elevating people across
industries led her to begin hercompany reboot experiences to
impact change among futureleaders.
(00:56):
Entrepreneurs and creativesaround the world.
I was really attracted to herbecause of her Asian heritage.
And how she moved throughcultural expectations and the
pressures of high achievementand excellence.
To follow a non-traditional paththat was more close to her
spirit.
I have constantly found myselfin the past, fighting these
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norms and expectations to followmy inner seemingly non-linear
and eccentric path myself.
Hannah has been leading her idealife at every point of a life.
So go check out her Instagram.
Reboot experiences to see andlearn more about how she spends
her time suffering and thrivingacross Mexico, Nicaragua,
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Portugal, and America, whiledesigning.
Inner expeditions for highimpact focused leaders.
And helping them move throughfears, upgrading mindsets, and
intentionally claiming theirfull potential.
I really do hope that you getlit up.
Like I did connecting to herfascinating story.
Practices and journey to findingher Nirvana.
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Thank you again.
And here we go.
Hana (02:04):
Thank you for having me.
Sri (02:05):
I met you how most friendships these days and
quarantines happen on theinternet.
I saw one of your ads for yourbusiness reboot experience got
targeted.
Very rightfully to me.
So good job, Instagramalgorithm, I had heard about
regroup through one of ourcommon friends, Jonathan Stone,
who's the founder of flu Intel.
(02:27):
What I really loved about youwas how You were in alignment
and you spoke about.
What your mission was veryunapologetically and it was
rooted in, your sense ofconfidence of what you were
doing so thank you so much forsaying yes.
Hana (02:45):
Absolutely.
I love supporting, people whowant to spread more light in
this world.
And that is my mission is toelevate and empower and support
those that do want to do that.
Sri (02:57):
I wanted to know.
The backstory of why you're sucha light chaser.
How was your experience as achild?
Hana (03:04):
My experience as a child, I actually feel like now is more
closely aligned to how I was asa child.
It's like, obviously throughlife, like programming, you
learn to distrust that innerchild.
And me as a kid was like,actually very similar to now,
which was like, I was constantlycreating like games and
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imaginary worlds I grew up in abig family.
I'm the only girl I have allyounger guy, siblings and
brothers.
And they were just like thesewild, like lost boys.
And I would make up games forthem to interact with each
other.
I was always barefoot.
I was such a tomboy.
Like I remember playing so hardthat like the only time I would
come inside was when thefireflies would come out.
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And when the grass starts to getcold, after the sunset.
So it's a very vivid memory, butI was very much a wild child.
And now I live in Nicaragua,Bali, Lisbon, and I'm always
barefoot, like running throughthe jungle and surfing.
I was born in Texas, grew up inDallas, but actually traveled
quite a bit.
So I think I've always had anomadic soul.
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I was a competitive ice skater.
So I spent time betweenCalifornia, Colorado, Michigan,
um, basically training withdifferent Olympic coaches.
And it was a pretty intense, butvery fun time in my life, which
gave me a lot of focus and driveand.
I think that's where theachievement side of me comes
from.
(04:29):
But yeah, childhood was verybusy.
Like I did everything frommartial arts.
To art.
I was, an artist from a veryyoung age.
Half of my family are doctorsand the other half are artists.
So I very much grew up in a veryhybrid life.
So I've always seen the benefitsof both sides.
Yeah.
Competitive ice skating I'mtrying very hard not to fat
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girl.
Yeah.
That literally is tapping intosome kind of magical force.
I was really attracted to itbecause it was really fun for
me.
I started really, because inDallas there's, the Galleria has
like an indoor ice rink.
And so my mom would go shopping.
She'd just dropped me off at theice drink and then go shopping
for a few hours
Sri (05:12):
They wanted you to do it or you liked it.
Hana (05:15):
I was obsessed.
And then obviously, like whenyou follow something that you
love.
You get better at it becauseit's a game to you and it's fun.
And then you re rise the rankspretty quickly.
And then it started at the upperlevel starts to get really
intense.
Like literally like seeing asports psychologist, like doing,
um, off ice training with likeweights and then ballet and
(05:37):
like, pretty much like I wasworking.
I felt like it was working 24seven.
I was like still taking alladvanced classes in high school.
I happened to go to a veryunique school.
Melinda Gates was an alumni.
So we were one of the firstschools in the U S to have wifi
in the late nineties.
And we all were required to havelaptops.
(05:57):
So then that really introducedme to technology.
So I started coding and I builtmy first website for a women's
shelter at the age of, uh, Ithink it was like 16 when I did
that.
I had the sports and then likeon the weekends I would paint
and like create things.
And I sold my first paintingwhen I was like, nine or 10.
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I was always playing in multiplespheres, so that's why it was
like strange because I neverfelt like I truly belonged in
one category.
Whereas like I was having fun,just playing in all of them.
So sports tech and also arts.
Sri (06:31):
It was mostly because you were following your higher
excitement or was it becauseyour family was competitive?
Because as a kid, I did so manythings.
I didn't really follow through alot of stuff It takes a lot of
maturity to be able to followthrough in an adult way.
And it seems to me that you didit in a playful manner.
(06:52):
what do you think accounted youto be able to achieve it and
have result?
Hana (06:58):
Yeah, I think, there was definitely like growing up as an
Asian family.
My parents were very, as youcould imagine, like must
achieve, must get this and thisand this, which yes, I did feel
some of that pressure, but Ialways found a way to find my
own connection to it, to makesure that I was always still
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having fun in the moment that itstopped being fun.
I just refused to do it.
Like it got to the point wherelike ice skating, for example,
it just got to the point where Iwasn't having fun anymore.
It just got so serious.
So competitive to the pointwhere it was like, just about
the output and it was prettytraumatic.
Like my mom was highlyperfectionist.
(07:41):
They, she only measured my, Iguess, worth based on my output.
So I remember like even cominghome with like silver, Metals.
And she'd just be like, Oh, justlike throw it away.
Like it's not first place.
When she had like on trophyroom, it was kind of eerie.
But like that reallycommunicated to me at a young
age, that achievement was whatshe valued, but it's not what I
(08:02):
value, but it's, this is whatchildren do is like you notice
these patterns likeperfectionistic tendencies
usually are rooted in.
Uh, need to, get a validation onyeah.
One or more of your parents.
So that's sort of what itstemmed like for me.
And it took me years of justlike focused work to break that
(08:24):
habit of.
Perfectionism and achievement.
but how I followed through wasreally, I found the joy in my
own, my own connection to it,but the moment it stopped, I was
happy to let it go.
Obviously fighting with myparents every step of the way,
but I was a very headstrongchild and I feel like I am now
as well, but I'd say.
(08:45):
Headstrong 2.0, where I'm alittle bit softer with it, where
it's a, more of a release than apush.
Sri (08:51):
So wasn't any guilt off disappointing them when you had
to, you had such a career andyou were good at it but at that
point in time, you werelistening, still able to listen
to your inner.
Ways to went to stop and dosomething else.
how were you able to really bethat headstrong and not attach
(09:12):
to the gift?
Cause that really brings a lotof people down.
Hana (09:15):
Absolutely.
I think for, it was a lot harderto listen to my intuition when I
was actually living at home.
So all throughout high school.
And I think that's probably oneof the reasons why I chose to go
to university and Boston insteadof staying in Texas, because I
think intuitively I knew that Ineeded to break free from.
(09:36):
This like it, you know, it'shard to escape when you like
live with your parents and, youabsorb their frequencies and
what they want for you.
And even though inside, I waslike, this is not right.
I still went along with itbecause it's a means of
survival.
What am I going to do?
Say no, but in my own way, I'msure it's like part of being a
rebellious teenager, but in myown way, I started.
(09:59):
Training them on how to receiveme as saying no.
So by the time that I made likehuge steps, they were just like,
Oh, it's just this is one in thesame.
So in some way it was a seriesof letting them down, let it
quote unquote letting them down.
But ultimately they see thetrajectory of my life and
they're like, you know what,Hannah, we trust you.
(10:19):
Like the first couple of timeswe were like, what the hell is
she thinking?
But every single like inflectionpoint where I chose the
non-obvious step, they werelike, you know what?
You always seem to land on yourfeet.
And it always seems to be in abetter place.
So like clearly, you know,something we don't so.
Just be safe.
And you knew that you had thattrust in yourself that I can go
(10:43):
do this and I'll always learnand always be safe.
What helped you to feel thatsafety?
I honestly think it's a lot todo with being a competitive ice
skater.
I think about this all the time.
Seriously, even though it was solong ago, like I'm like now
almost 37 and I always thinkabout it like how much I gained
(11:05):
from.
Ice skating because it put meinto the practice mindset
because it's not like you justput on your skates and all of a
sudden you could, do a tripleLutz and do the perfect spins
and all of these things.
It's ridiculous.
You have to put in hours ofpain, literally pain, bruising
to the point where I can't evensit down and like falling
countless times, getting cut,it's getting bruises always.
(11:29):
But that put me in the mindsetof like pain and suffering and,
practicing and failing,practicing, failing is just a
part of the process.
So I think even if I didn't getit right now, like I knew I
would, at some point if I justkeep at it, but be patient with
myself.
So I think that really gave me adifferent set of programming.
Apart from what my parents weregiving me.
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So it was really grateful
Sri (11:53):
so almost if someone was looking and now most of the
people who might be listeninghere are adults.
So, but in a way to do that forthe kids, the next generation,
it's almost like allowing themto bind their own culture, what
resonates with them and whathelps them to reach that
pinnacle of their identity ofsuccess.
(12:16):
Right.
And that's what you had, but nowyou also had such a varietal
background.
You were a professional skateryou got into luxury yacht, a
very successful startup.
Um, you're also an advertisingworld.
Could you take us a little bitthrough all these interesting
inflection points and trajectoryand what did we learn about who
(12:37):
you are right now through allthese places?
Hana (12:39):
absolutely.
It was totally like appealingthe layer, The first inflection
point of like leaving Texas wasmy first step into myself.
And in university I studiedmarketing, so natural
progression moved to New Yorkand into the ad world.
So I.
Quickly progressed in the adworld.
And I worked for some really bigname, luxury clients like Rolex
(13:01):
and Samsung, both in New Yorkand in London.
And that was incredible time forme.
I really learned so much aboutan industry.
I had no idea about.
And it got to the point where Iwas sort of pivoting around,
even though I knew deep downinside, I was like ready for a
big change.
But I was afraid to take thatstep because of the security, of
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a good job money.
And that was when the parentprogramming, came in, it's like
pick security, pick the money,like, what are you doing?
And so I was like, okay, youknow what?
Maybe I'll Double down and gointo the startup world.
Cause then at least I feel likeI'm making a direct impact and
having a bit more control in mylife.
So I went in the startup world,but.
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Of course it was not the answerbecause I was looking externally
and what that led to was like afast track to burnout.
I ended up being hospitalizedlike twice in a month, due to
stress induced ulcers.
And it was a huge wake up callcause I was around 31, I believe
31 32.
And that was around the age thatmy uncle, my closest uncle had
(14:04):
passed away when he was 32 fromstomach cancer.
And.
That was like a big alarm bell,which I could no longer ignore
that my intuition pretty muchmanifested itself as a physical
symptom.
So that was really what led meto take a good look at.
The life that I had built up tothat point, I was like on paper,
living this perfect New Yorklife, you know, friends, nice
(14:27):
apartment and grim, dating andhaving a lot of fun, traveling
all of that.
But something just didn't feelright.
And that led me to start with itwasn't even that much courage.
It was excitement that led me tobuild something like the next
chapter.
And I asked myself twoquestions.
One was.
What do I need to learn?
(14:49):
And at that time in my life.
And I think it was comingthrough multiple sources.
Whether at work through myfriends, through my
relationships, through myphysical symptoms, it was like
this.
Very clear indication that likeI need to release control.
So I was like, okay, I need tolearn how to release control.
What can I do?
What experiment can I run onmyself that will allow me to
(15:09):
release control It wasdefinitely scary because feeling
like everything that you've beenbuilding was just a lie just is
very, very unnerving.
And in some way, I saw it forwhat it was, it was a house of
cards.
And I was like, what is, what amI actually building this for?
Like, do I want to be.
The CEO of this company, or do Iwant this person's job?
(15:32):
I'm like, no, like I couldn'tlook around.
I looked around and I couldn'tsee a model of what I actually
wanted for my life.
So I'm like, what the heck am Iactually doing here?
And that was weirdly the firsttime I even asked that question.
Sri (15:47):
Yeah.
And then, so what were the otherquestions that
Hana (15:50):
you assess?
Yeah.
So the first question is, whatdo I need to learn?
And then two was, when was thelast time I was truly happy and
free because that's what I wasgoing for.
I was like, I need to like, feelgood again.
And so I go on sailing tripswith my friends, here and there
throughout the years.
And I was like, you know what?
I love being in nature.
I love being, especially onwater.
(16:11):
I was like, hi.
I wonder if there's a job that Ican find like near the water on
the water or whatever.
So I literally Googled.
How to travel and make money.
And I came across as like randomblog post and it was like,
number one, teaching English.
I was like, I am not patientenough for that too.
It was like, you know, you canvolunteer.
And I was like, I'm definitelynot nice enough for that.
And the third one was like,we're going to super.
(16:33):
And I was like, Hey, this soundsweird.
And just weird enough that Icould be interested in this.
So I was going back and forthand I was having this like
crazy.
Moment where I was.
I built a decision matrix.
That's super nerdy, but I stilluse it to this day where I was
like, evaluating.
Do I go to business school?
Do I work for another company?
(16:54):
Do I start working for myself?
As a freelance marketingconsultant or do I work on this
like boat?
So I evaluated it across manydifferent touch points and it
still kind of came up that I.
Wanting to do yachting weirdlybecause the cost benefit
analysis was basically like,okay, worst case scenario.
I could do this as a one-yearexperiment.
(17:15):
If it's horrible, I'm at a pointin my career that I can always
fall back on a desk job.
I can always get another job.
people are always looking formarketing help anyway.
I felt secure enough tocompletely cut the tie, knowing
that I can catch myself becauseI knew.
What I knew.
It's not like someone's going tojust zap my brain and take away
my skills.
(17:36):
It's something that I will haveforever.
So I was like, you know what?
Let's just take this next yearfor me to learn, to release my
control.
And also just to find joy inbeing nature and do something so
drastically different than adesktop, because I've tried the
half-assed measures.
I've tried the pivoting toclient side and maybe startup
and this, but it was allmarketing was still the same.
(17:56):
World.
So I'm like, I need to dosomething real drastic.
I'm not saying that everyoneshould do something so drastic,
but the point of it is like, itneeds to like really shake you
up at your core level.
And it was wonderful.
Cause I did get that.
I did have to release control.
Sri (18:12):
And when you did that, you learnt so many things about
yourself and you kind of almostdipped into this true inner
knowing.
And then being out in the ocean,there's something really magical
because it's just, you, you havepots.
And the deep sea.
I'm a daughter of a Navalofficer.
So my entire life, I was a nomadlike you and my closest friend
(18:35):
was the C I, in fact, I wouldtalk to the sea and, and if I
was sad, if I was mad I'd go tothe sea of I remember being out
in the scene, I was like, thisis the secret to life.
This is how we can be happy.
And what I see that you wereable to tap into the voices of
the seat.
it helped you set off on thisjourney of self discovery.
Hana (18:55):
Exactly.
And what I've discovered is likesimilar to you.
I've gained so much learningfrom the ocean.
I surf.
So I learned so much about lifeeven through surfing hiking.
And I find these days whenpeople ask me like, Oh, do you
have a recommended podcast orreading list?
And I was like, yeah, like I canrecommend it.
But honestly, this is not truefor everyone, but I'm the weirdo
(19:16):
that chooses not to ingest morecontent, because that was for
me, like during my twenties andearly thirties, when I needed to
consume content to kind of seeother pathways.
But once it gets to that pointwhere you get there, like any
more, it's like repetition Myonly recommendation is spend
more time in nature and spendmore time with yourself because
(19:37):
these days, my greatest teacheris nature.
Like even observing the trees,like even when I was going
through.
the loss of another familymember.
I read books very selectively,but not overdo it, even though
the common knowledge right nowis like everybody consume all of
the books do as much as you wantand blah, blah, blah, like
consume, consume, consume.
Sri (19:58):
And where personal development is becoming so toxic
where everybody's kind oflauding themselves.
I've seen a lot of people whohave a lot of knowledge, The
double sides of how they're notnice to themselves.
That is the main indicator andthere's something about.
Experiencing spirituality getconnected to what your human
sense is to connecting to natureto that oneness and we've
(20:22):
forgotten what our true powerand essence is.
When I moved to New York threeyears ago, I was following my
soul.
I was following my inner voice.
I honestly had this game withmyself.
I had a lot of criticism ofbeing too free-spirited and I
don't think I'm free-spirited.
But people saw me as that.
And I remember being like, okay,if this is a criticism, there's
(20:43):
something I should listen to it.
And it's affecting me.
Let me go to a place where it's.
So difficult to be a free spiritwhere it's so difficult to be
spiritual.
And let me see if I canself-actualize what does it mean
to be spiritual?
So I stopped reading any book.
I stopped doing any healing.
I was a hypnotherapist.
My whole world was about helpingwomen to connect with
themselves.
(21:03):
And okay, it's great to bespiritual in a place like.
Bali with everybody around youis in the same frameworks, like
you said, but it's so difficultto be in a place that's so hard
that doesn't trust for you tolearn how to trust yourself.
So for me, the last three years,we're experiment of that next
level of self-actualization.
So funny story with thatstorytelling was, I was doing
(21:27):
chocolate meditation atLaGuardia.
They invited me for a teambuilding meditation we need a
little bit of this.
I remember going.
And the funny part is I had thisbrief, they're like, you know
what?
We want you to inspire them, butdon't inspire them too much
because we don't want them toleave their jobs.
Everybody wants to leave theirjobs and follow their hearts
they talk to you.
(21:49):
And I read that you help highachieving leaders surrender, to
build their life.
That they didn't intentionallychoose.
It's so relevant because there'sa bigger tipping point where
people are going through thisinner conversation where like,
is this much great?
Like, is this giving me all thelove that I thought it would is
(22:10):
this job what I want?
What is that phenomenon that'shappening?
Hana (22:16):
A lot of the work that I do with reboot experiences and
specifically working withleaders who have achieved this
like upper echelon of success,like the good on paper success,
and.
Have questioned this for awhile.
So these are leaders who havesort of toe dipped into
spirituality and wants to kindof integrate that somehow.
(22:38):
But they know that they can't doit in their current state, but
yet they're afraid that if theyleave it completely, they'll,
they'll sacrifice safety ofabundance, all of these things.
And they don't know what's onthe other side, so they fear it.
So my job really is to help themunpack.
What is not there to carry.
So for example, a lot of theleaders that I work with,
(23:02):
especially during the pandemicand during COVID are starting to
really start to fast track theirtimelines.
So maybe in a normalcircumstance, they would
probably wait a few more yearsbefore even having this, like
come to Jesus moment wherethey've always questioned.
They've always knew that likethe answer is beyond this
(23:24):
current reality that they builtfor themselves and they know
that this is not.
It, but they either don't knowwhere that next step is, or they
have too many ideas that like,they are not sure which to
choose because they don't, theyhaven't done the work to build
that inner guidance system.
I'm a very visual person.
So what I would like to say ishappening is like people are
(23:45):
coming to the realization thateverything that they've worked
for is building outward.
So manifesting things in theexternal world, external growth,
achievement, achievement,achievement, it's all answering
the external growth, but nowit's no longer about external
consumption and more aboutinternal expansion.
And so I think people havestarted to dabble in the inner
(24:07):
expansion, but not betting bigon that expansion.
They haven't fully committed tothat yet.
And I think now it's getting tothat breaking point where
they're like, okay, enough, likeclearly like look at all the
breakdowns happening, like on asocietal governmental world
level.
I can't wait for someone else totell me when it's time.
I can't wait for it to be theperfect moment it needs to be.
(24:30):
Now I need to bet on myselfright now.
And so.
That's what I'm helping themthrough to like UN reveal, who
they think they are and thenremove the parts of them that
are actually not them.
So it's a part deprogrammingprogramming.
And then.
Being able to clearly see whothey actually are.
Like that story of, Michelangelothey were like, Oh, there's this
(24:53):
block of marble.
And you just stare at it andthen all he did was released the
statue by removing all that wasnot it.
So that's sort of what I'm doingwith this work is Piece by piece
and very methodically over acourse of like eight weeks.
For example, I work with a groupsetting and I really helped take
apart piece by piece.
Who do you think you are?
(25:13):
Like, what do you think youvalue versus what you actually
value?
And it's never the same, whichis shocking because so many
people build their lifeaccording to their perceived
values.
But if you build it on like fakevalue system, it's actually not.
Your foundation, right?
So what you build on top of itis never going to stand.
It's not going to link up yourheart and your mind because
(25:36):
something is not right.
You're not being honest aboutwhat your real values are.
So when you finally look at whatyour real values are, you can
finally create a life that'srooted in something real it's
rooted in who you actually are,so that when you make your
decisions and you start buildingsomething from a place of This
is what I value.
This is two, and this is how Iwant to help people show up for
(25:57):
the world.
Truly not how it's going to makeme look not how others are going
to perceive me, not how, myparents are going to, applaud me
and make them feel proud of me.
It's not coming from that place.
It's just completely rooted inthe foundation within them.
And then only then you buildsomething long-term that
actually feels right for you.
(26:18):
And it's definitely a lot morefun that way.
Anyway, you just feel it in yourbody.
It's it becomes like play andnot work.
Sri (26:27):
What.
According to you has been thebiggest mental block that we see
a lot of leaders and creatorshave because what they built
seems real as
Hana (26:36):
well.
Yes, absolutely.
I think it's fear at the root ofit all, whether that fear
manifests as fear of, Losingeverything like, you know, they
have some sort of tie to likeabundance and they need to heal
that relationship or fear offailure.
So those are sort of the twomost common things.
Um, because a lot of the leadersthat I work with are super like
(26:59):
kind and heart-centered, andthey're like, Oh, like, who am
I?
Like, what am I going to reallydo?
Like, who's going to listen tome.
Like, I've, I've invested allthis time into building this
life and they almost have likethis.
They don't understand that it'sa sunk cost.
They don't understand that theycan start over and like, you
don't need to keep investing init.
So for survival, when we firstdeveloped as human beings, like
(27:20):
we needed fear but obviouslythat's been completely turned
around and we've used our ownemotional fears and it feels
like in our body, like it'sactual life or death.
And so what I do a lotspecifically to answer.
This block of fear is I do.
What's called fear trainingwhere I create, I always like to
(27:42):
integrate fun andexperimentation because I think
life is way too serious.
So what I do with fear is I getthem to see fear for what it is,
where did it come from andunderstanding your story.
Because first of all, you needin order to start tackling it,
you have to know where it comesfrom.
What are your triggers?
And then second, I explain topeople that like fear in our
(28:03):
body is actually the same asexcitement.
So whether that's like whenyou're going down a roller
coaster, you know, you're notgoing to die.
So it's an excitement.
The only difference is your mindtells your body, is it fear like
you're going to die or is itfear?
Excitement?
And I do like the fear trainingis about switching that pathway
(28:24):
in your brain.
So I have them createexperiments in their life too.
It's almost like a contact, um,conditioning.
So for example, for the longesttime, I was afraid of.
Being rejected.
I hated the word.
No, like it would really cut medeep.
So I created an experiment formyself where I was going to
collect the nose.
(28:46):
So I, in college, in university,I worked at the phone center and
basically asking.
Alumni for money, which you'regoing to get turned down all the
time.
So the first couple of times Iliterally burst into tears.
Like it was so embarrassing.
Like I didn't feel comfortablecrying in public at that time.
So it was horrible, but I stuckwith it because I'm like I got
(29:07):
to get used to it.
I'm like building up my own.
Resilience to the word.
No, because that's what I fearmost, so better.
Get it done now.
So, but now it's like in a waythat it doesn't matter if I get
rejected by a stranger, becauseit's not something I care about.
So I literally trained myself toget used to saying no to the
point where I was making itagain.
Like how many nos can I get thishour?
(29:29):
And the funny thing was like,eventually people started saying
yes.
So in actually leaning into thefear and making it a game.
You actually create the resultthat you want to anyway.
It's like a by-product of youfacing that fear.
So that's what I do with peopleis to get them to think about it
as a game and make an experimentfor yourself.
So you can actually become morefamiliar with your fear, bring
(29:52):
it close.
So it's not something scary andit's something that's
manageable.
Sri (29:57):
it's also called exposure therapy.
You put down all the things thatare scaring you, and then you
keep exposing yourself todesensitize and remove the
layers So, You have managed tocreate this beautiful experience
here called reboot experiences.
You do dinners, bring differentcommunity leaders and creators
How were you able to do thattransition from making this your
(30:20):
big yes.
And turning it into such a waythat other people are also
integrated into thatexpansiveness that you've tapped
into.
Hana (30:31):
Well, At the time.
I worked on yachts, like forcelebrities and like scrubbing
toilets and whatnot as anexperiment to release control.
In that time I created abusiness which was a yacht, like
a staffing app for the luxuryyacht industry.
And I knew that that wasn't myend game, but I've created it
anyway just to see, cause itlooked fun.
(30:53):
And at the end, like I ended upexiting that company.
So tightly that, like I had anabundance to actually start
something from a place of myheart.
And, and before it's not like Ihad this idea before I even
found the money.
I actually found it weirdlyenough in a, in a meditation.
(31:13):
Um, A breath, work meditation.
So basically in breath work, Ihad this crazy visualization
where I heard this voice.
And when I say heard, it's morelike someone.
It injected it into my brain,like inception.
And it was like, life is a game.
And I was like, yeah.
Okay, cool.
Like, this is what everybody is.
So Instagram quote.
(31:33):
And I'm like, sure.
And he's like, but do you knowwhat game you're playing?
And I didn't have an answer.
Like, well, let me show you.
And this being came in the formof this light ball and this
light bulb kind of pulsatedlike, and divided itself into
three different cells.
And it expanded from it likethis balloon.
Like clear-ish balloonstructure.
(31:54):
And inside this ballooninstructor, there are all these
little fairy lights, like, looklike fireflies roaming around
this balloon and he's zoomed inand he's like, this is your
universe.
These are the other universesthat are happening at the same
time, but this is yours.
And he's like, I was like, Oh,this is so cool.
And he's like, look closer.
And it was like all these littlelike SIM characters, like all
these little like characters,like a video game.
(32:18):
And I think, I think this beinglike used imagery, that would
make sense to me because I docome from kind of a tech nerd
background.
So he was like, um, in, inprogramming, there's like this
term Easter egg, which is likethis hidden line of code that
you don't know is there unlessyou're looking for it.
So basically all these peoplewere running around with this
like yellow light inside ofthem.
(32:39):
And he's like, this is the same.
Like software that isn't all ofthem.
He's like, but it's like thesecret, like Easter egg, but
they don't know that it's there.
So I was observing like thisworld and some people were
trying to buy the Easter eggfrom a shop.
And some people were, you know,just going about their life,
like to work and building housesand not even realizing that
(33:01):
there's anything going on on theinside.
Others had completely like givenup.
Like it's like someone like letgo of the remote control.
And it was just like, thisplayer was like sitting idle,
looking really sad and reallydoll.
And then others pulled that out,their yellow light and they were
like freaking out.
They're like, um, hello, likeanybody else?
And it was really cool becauseit unlocked another layer.
(33:23):
I don't want to say dimension,but it almost looked like
another, like thin veil, like alayer where the people who had
found their yellow light hadstart to recognize each other.
And they were like waving ateach other and they started
walking towards each other.
And I was like, Oh, this is socool.
I was like, okay.
So I was speaking back to thebeing and I was like, so it was
a point of this game.
To basically find our light andhe's like, well, yes, but also
(33:46):
no, I'm like, all right.
So when does this game end?
And he's like, well, that is thequestion.
Like, isn't it.
And I observed it.
And I noticed that as theselights, the people who found
their light were clumpingtogether, like around their
vicinity, like the people thatwere just on the fringes, their
light, they started findingtheir light.
Like faster.
(34:07):
And even like the people in thefar corner of this like balloon
universe, there were people thatwere starting to walk towards
the light, even though theydidn't know why they were
walking, they were just like,magnetised by it.
And the closer and closer andcloser they got to the center,
they started kind of like wakingup.
And then all of the lightsstarted turning on and the clump
(34:29):
of light got bigger and bigger.
And I was like, Oh, this is socool.
And I was like, so does the gameend?
Like.
When X number of people likefind their line, he's like,
well, no, you're trying toactually get to a hundred
percent found.
I was like, what, like everyonein the universe.
And he's like, yes.
I was like, this is impossible,absolutely impossible.
(34:49):
I was like, so upset.
I was like, he, you know,humans, like they're flawed.
And like, whatever.
I was like, okay, well, whathappens if someone finds their
light and they die?
It's like, well, then it'll justget rebooted in the next person
that arrives because everyonehas the exact same chance of
winning and every exact samechance of finding their light.
He's like, but.
You saw something that I'mgiving you like a little hint,
(35:10):
like this world, it's not alwaysgoing to be such a slow trickle
of like finding your light.
It's going to hit an inflectionpoint.
Cause it's like a networkeffect.
Right?
So at some point humanity get toa point where people will start
to find their light faster andfaster.
So it will become a possibilityfor humanity to get to a hundred
percent found rate.
(35:30):
I was like, Oh my God, like,this is crazy.
But.
After this crazy conversation,which felt like hours, it was
actually real time, only like 15minutes, which is bonkers.
And I really came out of theexperience thinking like, I am
that like I am.
A connector just naturally in mynormal life.
(35:52):
And I was like, what if Ileveraged that natural ability
to connect, but use it in orderto get people to that next level
faster.
I don't think it's going tohappen in my lifetime, but if I
can kick the goal faster, if wecan raise that percentage of
found like higher, why not in mylifetime and make it fun.
So that really is what led to mebuilding reboot.
(36:14):
It came in the form of aretreat, but it was never a
retreat.
It was just one manifestation,one tool to bring people closer
together.
Answering the very same coremission, to continue to.
Elevate people so that they canfind their light.
So the reason why I workspecifically with leaders is in
my mind leaders who are alreadyat that cusp, who are asking the
(36:37):
right questions, who know thatfeeling inside and are very
familiar with it, are the peopleon the outer edges, like just
close to get finding their theEaster egg.
So I want to get them therefaster because they have the
potential to network andinfluence and empower and
enlighten their followers.
So that's really what I'm doingis I'm specifically working with
(36:59):
people who have the potential tospread light faster.
Sri (37:03):
that is inspiring how you are following that really crazy.
What some people would calldelusion, and I've got that
they're like crazy, but I thinkit does take a certain in what
normal people term, the crazy ittakes a certain level of you to
(37:23):
break out of.
norm to create a massive change,to bring change for yourself.
And would you say that you havefound your path to Nirvana?
Hana (37:33):
I think so, but I was just thinking about this today.
I feel like in a lot of mymeditation that I have full on.
I know it sounds crazy,especially because my background
is I'm so tech and logic brain.
So even to hear myself, I'm likewhat the hell has happened.
But I find like the way that Iresonate best is because I can
balance both the logic and themore spiritual quote unquote
(37:56):
intellect.
Right.
Exactly.
Exactly intellect intuition.
I think that's where the realsecret lies is the balance and
the harnessing of both.
Sri (38:05):
This has been such a delightful, illuminating
conversation with you.
I am so grateful for the paththat you're on and I'm very
excited to meet you at one pointin real life.
Thank you so much
Hana (38:20):
thank you.
And with that, we come to anend.
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