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April 9, 2025 75 mins

This week, our conversation about power takes us on a wild ride. We explore:

• What we’re trying to be powerful about (and why)
• How real power feels in the body and heart
• Why power and surrender might actually be the same thing, or at the very least connected
• and what becomes possible when we stop grasping and start allowing

Plus: a fiery little detour into the systems of cruelty we’re witnessing in American politics, what it means to stay powerful living within them, and the difference between power and control.

This one surprised us. We hope it does the same for you.

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