January 4, 2024 • 62 mins
Ever found yourself meticulously perfecting a breakfast biscuit, only to have it spark dreams of your own eatery? That's exactly where our conversation starts in our latest episode, as we whisk you away on a gastronomic and philosophical quest, revealing the simple joys and aspirations that can arise from the kitchen. Join us as we sip on the curiosity of a root beer-flavored ancient mushroom elixir and muse over the significance of hydration in our daily lives—because every dreamer needs to stay quenched.
Struggling with motivation can feel like an endless battle, but we're here to navigate these choppy waters together. Our chat meanders from eco-conscious choices like going straw-free to the siren call of French fries, sharing laughs and confessions along the way. We lay bare the challenges of staying driven, whether it's the year-end blues or the daunting leap to decaf. Through stories and insights, we aim to offer comfort and strategies for those feeling stuck in the same rut.
As our episode unfolds, we explore the transformative powers of habit formation and the subtle art of patience in personal growth. Our journey isn't just about reaching the destination—it's also about embracing the small, daily actions that culminate in triumphs over time. So tune in, as we extend an invitation to continue this exploration in future episodes, with the promise of uncovering more strategies to fuel your drive and keep you moving forward.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
You come to help yourself Food and philosophy
with Brian and Nick.
I'm Nick and I'm Brian.
You know I was going to come upwith something to say, but eh.
What you eating, Brian.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
Couldn't, just couldn't, just couldn't find the
motivation.
You know what am I eating?
So this morning for breakfast Imade a on this unread or on
this redacted day.
I made or my wife made biscuits.
(00:37):
So fresh biscuits out of theoven.
We had some yeah, we had somefrozen turkey sausage and
there's a lot of leftover foodfrom the holidays, so we have
some shredded sharp cheddarcheese and so I made my own
(00:59):
special biscuits with cheese andsausage, or cheese and sausage
biscuits.
And so here's the thing that Ifound out about myself is more
recently I've been thinkingabout it is the process.
I like the process of doingsomething and I try to perfect
the process of like what's thebest way to do this?
And so first I took thebiscuits, cut them in half, a
(01:25):
little bit of butter on them.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
You cut them in half sideways or cut down.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Sideways.
Yeah, so horizontally my firstpicture Horizontally.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Like why would you cut them in half?
What are you doing?
Speaker 3 (01:40):
Yeah, so horizontally I cut them in half, put some a
little bit of butter on them andthen put them under the broiler
in the oven so they got alittle toasty, melted, the
butter, you know all that stuff,so all that good stuff.
Then while that was happening,I was heating up the frozen
sausage, so getting that sort ofthawed out ready to go.
(02:01):
And then when the biscuits cameout and they were a little bit
crispy around the edges andthings, I put the sausage on
there on one side and then I putcheese on both sides, put them
back under the broiler and letthat melt the cheese down and
then I made them into littlebiscuit sandwiches and yeah, it
(02:22):
was really really good.
It turned out that my I don'tknow if I've ever shared my
fantasy on this podcast of notthat kind of fantasy.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
Whoa Just claim her.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
Of my fantasy of opening a breakfast restaurant.
And so I have all thesebreakfast restaurant ideas that
in my head I'm like, wow, I makethis and it's really, really
good, and I've never seen thison a menu at a breakfast
restaurant.
So either that means it's ahorrible idea and people have
already tried it and they'relike, yeah, no, we're not doing
that, or it just isn't.
(02:56):
It's a good idea and nobody'sever gotten it before right, and
so that's one of those.
This is one of those ideas oflike I know other people make
sausage cheese biscuits, butmaking them in a certain way,
with a certain kind of cheese,with a certain kind of sausage,
things like that.
I feel like you know, that'ssort of my ideal kind of I think
(03:22):
I could be successful at it,which is me lying to myself,
really.
But no.
Well, it's the same we know whatit is.
You're in a dialogue of theEnneagram type nine, because
I've never worked in therestaurant industry in my life
and I think I know what I'mtalking about when I really
don't Sure.
(03:44):
But anyway, the biscuits werereally good and I like doing
that on especially days where Iget to have a little bit of
extra time in the morning sothat I can enjoy a little bit
and not have to.
I gotta just wolf somethingdown so I gotta get to the next
thing and allowing that, youknow the tide to take you where
(04:06):
it may.
So that's what basically I ate.
Just a little while ago andBrian's beverage corner.
I have actually a regularbottle of water.
I don't even have my normalactual metal bottle that I
(04:27):
usually.
I know it's a little bit crazy.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
I don't bring too many bad memories because I know
that that bottle wasspecifically bought and measured
, all but designed to fit intoyour dream truck that was.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Was a nightmare truck .
Speaker 3 (04:46):
Well, it still fits perfectly into my EDC backpack.
So I've got a pocket that itspecifically fits into, and but
the color and everything, yeah,I was.
I had purchased that to likematch my truck that I had for a
hot minute and had to get rid ofit, which is a story from
another, for another time.
But so I have water, becausewhen you're public speaking,
(05:10):
hydration is important.
I heard that from somebodysuper smart, that's Mr Nick
Sager.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
And you do, idealizing others again.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
And then the second thing is this is a cool thing.
I've actually been holding onto this for a while and haven't
had a chance to use it on or useit or drink it on the podcast.
I've been saving it to share itwith the audience.
I found this thing.
I think I bought this atSprouts Market.
Like Sprouts, which is forpeople that don't know, that's
(05:43):
like sort of like a Whole Foodskind of organic kind of you can
find some interesting thingsthere.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
So it's healthy.
Expensive versions of standardgroceries.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
Yeah, and so this is not standard.
This is GT's Alive AncientMushroom Elixir.
Yeah, I know it sounds weird,right, but it's root beer
flavored.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
It's from a video game.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
It does it sounds like a you need to, you need to.
It sounds like something youwould buy in, like you know
Fantasyland, or like you knowFrontierland and Disneyland, or
something like oh, come drinkthis ancient mushroom elixir.
You know to be confused withsnake oil, Right, Exactly.
So I did this sort of in thevein of trying different kinds
(06:28):
of kombucha and things like that.
This is.
It was just interesting to mebecause I thought I've never
seen anything like that and thisis root beer flavored, which is
the other thing I was like.
Okay, I like root beer, and soI was trying to see how that
would be.
So this says it has a macrodose of mushroom magic, and so
(06:49):
it's.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
it's saying that it has tested by the FDA, right?
Speaker 3 (06:53):
No, so it's.
It talks about the fruiting,the fruiting body of three
powerful, antioxidant, rich,adaptogen mushrooms.
Right, it just defend yourselffrom free radicals.
Blah, blah, blah.
All that stuff.
Right, so it makes youhealthier.
So the three mushrooms areReishi mushrooms, chaga
mushrooms and turkey tailmushrooms.
(07:14):
So all of our mushroom headsout there, I'm sure they're like
oh my gosh, turkey tailmushrooms.
Those are awesome.
So we've got the powerful trio.
But then it says at the bottomto help people like me who are
not mushroom heads says what isa fruiting body?
It says the fruiting body isthe whole mushroom, a fully
(07:36):
formed cap and stem, which isthe best way to maximize its
nutritional benefits.
So anyway, it's got these trioof powerful mushrooms in it.
It has almost no calories 20calories for the whole bottle.
Doesn't have really anythingelse in it no fat, no carbs.
Actually, take it, it does havesome carbs in it and no protein
(08:00):
.
And it does have raw applecider vinegar in it as well,
which Wow.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
And is that towards the end of the ingredient list
or?
Speaker 3 (08:13):
middle.
Let's see here.
So the first thing is adaptogenmushroom infusion, and then
something called P?
U dash, e, r, h T, pure tea, Iguess, and then raw apple cider
vinegar.
All of these things haveasterisks, by the way, and they
all say organically produced.
It also has dark amber maple init, and then root beer spices.
(08:36):
It also has stevia anderythritol, which are the two,
you know, sweeteners in this.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
Right, what is it?
The new vote?
Fake sweeteners with a fakesugar.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
That's in.
You know, zero calorie softdrinks and all that, Right.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
Right.
But here's the thing, here'swhat I like about this.
Besides, it tastes pretty good.
It has a you can because ofthose root beer spices, you can
actually.
It does taste like root beer.
It's not a you couldn't like.
If you really like root beer,you couldn't like replace root
beer with this but it gives youlike enough of a taste where
you're like, oh yeah, I couldtaste root beer in that.
What I like about it is I lovecompanies that like lean
(09:15):
completely into their marketing.
So like I've talked about youknow liquid death, and like they
just lean completely into it.
Right, so I'll hold this up thecamera.
They can't see it out there,but okay, so see, look at the
font, okay.
The font looks all like oldtimey, but look at the top of
the label.
The top of the label looks likeit's like burnt off or like
(09:39):
torn off like a piece ofparchment.
Yeah, ancient paper.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
Right.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
Like ancient paper and has little divots in the top
and the bottom.
So like the bottom.
Even they so like they leancompletely into that.
That is the turkey tailmushroom right there.
On the front it looks like aturkey tail right, but then even
on the back it has like alittle saying I'll let you read
it.
Can you read that?
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Eat thy food, be thy medicine.
That's a paraphrase of Edisonright, oh, is it?
Okay?
I think so.
He's not.
He's not that time period.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
So well, so that, like I said, some cardinal from
ancient times.
So I just commend them onactually going full in, like all
in, on what they're trying todo, Like yeah, they aren't, like
you know they're.
They're really trying to likeput it in there like, hey, the
ancient mushroom, if you'regoing to use the word elixir on
your drink, you better dosomething like this, right yeah?
(10:36):
So, anyway, I'm going to besipping on that, for that's all
I know.
That's only two beverages,which is a tiny Brian's beverage
corner, but be sipping on bothof those.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Also, it does have a little bit of caffeine, which
you which you, which you lost inquantity, you made up in
quality.
Yes, Well.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
So here's the thing.
I didn't realize this.
I actually took starteddrinking this because I was like
, oh good, it'll be something Ican drink that doesn't have any
caffeine in it.
And then, as I was reading theingredients, it does actually
have caffeine in it.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
So it's got about 75 milligrams.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
So it's about.
It's not quite.
It's stronger than a cup of tea, but not quite as strong as a
cup of coffee.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
So I thought a cup of coffee was like a hundred 15
milligrams.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
No, it's like a hundred to 120, depending.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
It's Google convention, fact fact check us,
fact check us.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
That's a different thing altogether.
So, anyway, we're getting readyto slip.
That's what.
That's what I'm eating anddrinking.
What about you?
Speaker 1 (11:35):
I'm eating, okay, well, it's great minds think
alike in terms of eating theleftovers and how to go about it
.
I too had a kind of breakfastbiscuit of sorts.
Did it for for lunch, but I'mhaving it for lunch, but it's
dinner rolls to dinner rolls andcut them horizontally in half.
(11:58):
Take some of the Christmasslices, of the Christmas ham yes
, put that in there and a littlebit of thin layers of mayo on
both of the insides of oh youhad me at Mayo, no.
And then the unconventional bitright, because it has to be a
(12:19):
ham, egg and cheese sandwich atthe right.
So I took real mac and cheese,not craft, but like real cheese
and real macaroni.
That was a.
Made Special like flavored withsome onion to.
Took that leftovers and ploppedthat in there and had like to
only two of those sandwiches andthat got me through, you know,
(12:45):
until now and probably, yeah,through till didn't like Because
it's so filling.
It's not all the Hollowingredients that you might get
right end up having a bloodsugar crash and you need to eat
something before you freak out.
Yeah.
Before I freak out up to you useI statements so it's, it's
(13:06):
super tasty.
I mean it like when I washaving the food fresh right,
when, when I was at theChristmas dinner with my family
yeah, and join the Mac andenjoying the dinner rolls, like
you know what this needs to be asandwich.
It was nice to have thatexperience so that I hypothesis
validated as an experience.
It was really good.
(13:27):
I Don't think it would haveworked if I'd used the powdered
cheese.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
Yeah, yeah you know?
For if yeah, so I think thatrichness, the richness of a real
homemade Mac and cheese, has tobe there, you know.
The the cream and the cheeseand the butter and everything
else.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
Yeah, and I wanted to ask you like what would you say
the flavor profile was of thatmushroom drink?
Was there like, was it more,more sweet or more umami?
Speaker 3 (13:57):
No, it's something else.
It's slightly sweet, it's not.
It's not like drinking a softdrink.
It's not even like drinking a,one of our nitro cold brews with
like sweet cream in it.
It's probably not even thatsweet.
The front part of it like that.
The first thing you taste isthe Root beer and then the
aftertaste is just sort of like.
(14:18):
I Don't say I don't want to sayit's neutral, but it's like.
It doesn't taste like mushroomsat all.
By the way, like I mean myexperience of mushrooms, I like
mushrooms and it doesn't.
It doesn't have any Feeling oflike wow, I'm drinking like
ground-up mushrooms in this, youknow, and so you know, but I
would say slightly sweet.
(14:39):
It's a little bit like becauseof the apple cider vinegar in it
.
It's a little bit like drinkinga, a kombucha or something like
that.
Where you got a, you got alittle bit of that vinegary kind
of that kind of flavor profileon the backside.
The first first thing you tasteis root beer and then the
aftertaste is the apple cidervinegar and everything else, but
(15:02):
it's not overpowering.
It's not like drinking straightapple cider vinegar or
something like that.
So sure, yeah, so.
I'll actually get some morethere.
They had some other flavors,but I just was in a root beer
mood I've been in a root beerkick recently and and so I got
that because I was like I wantto see what that tastes like and
it'll be good for the podcast,so yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
Nice, let's see.
So for beverages I have watermm-hmm my towel bill Right
bottle glass bottle, I think andI'm still taught Straw-free.
I think it was on record when Isaid that I'm you know what,
right here now I'm gonna throwthe straw away.
(15:44):
Yeah, and so that it's not.
Every sip is plastic-free andit's wonderful.
The only downside is now I kindof to rinse it out more often,
since yeah, my back wash istouching the same brim.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
Oh, yeah, yeah yeah, I've actually toyed with the
idea of getting a differentbottle, not because I'm sad,
because it matched my truck oranything, but I'm.
There's a couple of ones that Idon't like drinking out of a
straw as much, just like you.
You know just the reason youwere saying, and there's a
couple now that my kids havethat are you can either hold it
(16:23):
upright and sip it like a strawor and it's a weird kind of
mechanism that they patent, youknow patented probably or you
can just literally put yourmouth around it and drink it
like an actual Like right out ofthe bottle.
And so I'm toying with I'd havegetting a new, a New thing,
rewarding myself maybe with anew, a new bottle for the new
year or something you know.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
You go oh, it could work.
And then I also have an icedamericano decaf with as Little
sweet cream as they can put intoit.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
I'm picturing a Starbucks employee with like a
dropper, like.
You're like I want.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Yeah, I don't think it's that scant right.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
Yeah it's.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
It's like, yeah, add sweet cream, but the smallest
splash you can ring up right.
So that that's where I'm atwith that.
I've been at the time thisrecord 14, 15 days.
Into my, Do the math, maybeit's 13 days.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
Decaf Coffee oh, I have any coffee at all.
It's decaf only so completelydecaf all at all caffeine just
not like.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
No, just just decaf coffee, it's kind of just a cap
rise like yeah, I'll have.
Since then I've only had likethree sodas.
So, yeah, it's not.
It's definitely a caffeinereduction.
Yeah and Was it a thing itwould be.
It would be like what 28 daysif I hadn't splurged Midway
(18:13):
through my birthday, I wentahead and had a, a nitro, you
know yeah, but it's my birthday,you know.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
Well, on that note, I still actually have.
I should play this on the onthe podcast someday.
I Still actually have, if I canget the audio.
I don't know how I'd get theaudio, but I have Somewhere on
my phone.
I thought I had.
I'm looking for it right now.
Oh yeah, december 20th 2021.
(18:42):
We just passed it.
I have the message from whenyou broke the french fry the
last time you broke the French I, so I'm keeping track like this
mark is stay on your calendar.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
For those of you who haven't listened to the podcast
for a long time.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
Nick left me a message when he broke his rule
of I don't have any French fries, and it was a couple of years
ago now, so Thanks, maxby's.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
Yeah For including fries with your food right
driving and just mindlessly yeahwhat's left in my plate and
like, oh my gosh.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
Immediately.
I need to call Brian.
Alright, well, do you want toget into our topic today?
We've talked about food for alittle while, as per usual.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
Yeah, I don't mean it's a very organic process that
we have for coming up with ourtopics.
We're like yes.
We're coming up on the new year, you want to do something about
New Year's and we're likeMotivated about that kind of
stuff, and right, oh, let's talkabout that.
Yes, exactly.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
So let's talk about not feeling motivated, or well,
just yeah, when we were when wewere texting and you were saying
like do you have any ideas fortopics?
And then you threw out likemotivation, because I'm lacking
it.
And I was like immediately I'mlike yes, we need to talk about
that.
Yes, that absolutely has to beour topic, because I mean yeah,
(20:18):
we call this help yourself, fora reason right and if both need
you to get out of whatever funkwe're in.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
Let's help ourselves to that well, and also I think
smothers along the way.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
I think the time of year too you know, we're
recording this at the end of theyear and, as I said before,
when we were talking aboutbefore, before we recorded is
you know this, and we've doneother episodes on this but like
sort of this artificial thingthat everyone does at the end of
any given calendar year andJust saying, okay, next year I'm
(20:48):
gonna do this.
You know, this is what I wantto Accomplish, this is what I
want.
Well, the then you have to backup from.
That is like well, why haven'tyou already done that?
And I think most of the time, alot of times, it's some type of
lack of motivation, like what?
Why are you not motivated to dothat?
Because the thing is, you dothings that you want to do.
You do things that like, if youreally want something, you do
(21:09):
something for about it.
Um, I know there's barriers toit, but then the question is, if
it is something that you reallywant, then why are you not
doing it?
Why are you not doing somethingto?
And I'm not saying that as aninsult to the audience, I'm not
saying like, why aren't youdoing something?
It's like no, I'm talking tomyself.
Yeah, exactly yeah.
I'm saying yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
Why are you not doing something about it?
Speaker 3 (21:30):
You know, like, if you want to change.
I mean this it's so funnybecause this topic Probably cuts
across Not horizontally on thebiscuit, but vertically on the
biscuit, cuts across A lot ofdifferent subjects We've already
talked about in the past, right, um, we, you know, motivation
cuts across, like you knowyou're basically your feelings
(21:52):
about yourself.
It cuts across, like all of thepersonality.
It cuts across your habits.
It cuts across I mean, it cutsacross so many things.
I basically you could look atthis episode or this, this group
of episodes, as a cross sectionof, in essence, what we've
talked about the last threeyears on this podcast, because
it almost touches no pressure.
I know exactly.
(22:13):
Yeah, this is a culmination ofthree.
We're here.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Right, exactly but it .
Speaker 3 (22:17):
But it really does, though, because it's, I mean
it's.
I mean that's probably atestament to the fact that it's
a super broad subject that we'retrying to address here.
But yeah at the same time.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
One, I think, another just to inject this before we
do the past.
Why I talk about this?
Speaker 3 (22:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
I could be projecting the usual caveats that I could
be projecting, but I feel likeI've seen a lack of motivation
and others to hear recently.
Like you know, in Toastmasters,not just all people aren't
signing up for roles, yep, aslike they used to.
I feel like this past Christmaspeople kind of phoned it in.
(22:54):
You know, it was all Gift cardsand books or what was exactly
on your list.
There wasn't as much, even lessthought put into it.
Yeah, I was sort of like hey,let's get it over with, let's
let's jump through the gothrough the motions, right, and
and I feel like I'm in that boattoo, like again, I'm projecting
a bit here, but I also seemedto see it and others.
(23:15):
It may be timely.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
Yeah, I think I think it.
I think the lack of motivationIs pervasive.
I think it it bleeds into everypart.
So it's not like you're.
I'm really lack of motive.
I'm really lacking motivationin my you know, in my work life.
But I have motivationeverywhere else in my life.
It typically it doesn't.
I don't think it works likethat.
(23:40):
I think it's if you're feelinga lack of motivation, it's a
over overriding To you'rebringing that to everything that
you're doing or you're notbringing it to everything you're
doing.
I should say so, so same thingwith Toastmasters is I think you
know if You're feeling thatanother and I think a lot of
(24:00):
people are exactly what you saidI think a lot of people are
feeling a I mean just the stateof America over the last few
years, especially like comingout of Covid.
I know this is like a tiredsubject, but you know the last,
like the last three or fouryears of our American life, has
been the strangest thing in thewar and it's been completely out
(24:23):
of our control and it'ssomething that we did never
thought.
You know, things that we neverthought would happen or anything
like that.
You know, I Happened and sowe're all, we're all living that
common experience andeveryone's dealing with it in
different ways.
But I think there's a lot ofnegativity and a lot of people
(24:43):
that are just like Wow, liketaking a deep breath and going,
okay, what's next, what's gonnahappen next?
And so, anyway, I I did pull upa couple things.
This might help our one.
Oh, go ahead, one of the littlebit of preamble.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
Yeah, I think one of the ways in which we you and I
are well qualified to discussthis subject Is because we're
type 9 peacemakers on the yesyeah, that, while
Procrastination is not unique toany one personality type right
like nines and probably someothers, but Nines have perfected
(25:21):
the art and the craft.
Yeah, avoidance of delay, ofyep.
Seeking peace at any price andgoing along so like putting
things off, setting things aside.
Yeah the greater good Becomes ahabit, right?
So anybody of any personalitytype who's struggling with these
kinds of things.
Well, we've suffered thisexperience so much that we we
(25:44):
have some conscious we can makesome of this unconscious stuff
conscious.
Yeah, I had to think about itlonger and sooner in our life
than maybe some others.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
Yes, well, it's a good, that's a good point,
considering that obviously yourpersonality type Not necessarily
enneagram, but just like thetype of personality you have in
a more general sense Is gonnaplay into how things affect you.
You know how the world affectsyou, how everything else affects
you and, as you said, us asself identifying as Nine you
(26:15):
know nine on the enneagram scaleCertainly plays into this, and
I feel like nines probably havea more pre, more of a
predisposition to a Few thingsthat are.
You know that that lead to lackof motivation, because I think
lack of motivation is a symptom,it's not the thing, it's a
(26:38):
symptom of something else.
So the question is, what arethose other things?
But I did pull up a list ofcauses.
You know basic causes of lack ofmotivation and the interesting
thing is that if and you, youtell me if you think the same
thing.
But most of these things forsomebody who would be like a
number nine are, you know, theylead right into it.
(27:02):
They're probably even actuallyin the description of nine For
some of these so so the firstone is fear of failure.
Second one is overwhelm, sofeeling overloaded or having too
many tasks.
Number three unclear goals, sonot having clear achievable
goals.
Burnout, so prolonged stressand over exertion.
(27:22):
Right perfectionism lack ofinterest, so if the tasks, their
goals, aren't aligned with yourpersonal interests or values.
Mental health is health issues,which is a big thing I think
people are dealing with in, atleast in America.
I think a lot of people aredealing with depression, anxiety
or other some level of that,and it's not doesn't necessarily
(27:43):
mean it's debilitating, butMost people have some level of
anxiety in their life at somepoint.
And then external factors, solack of support, negative
environments or discouragementfrom others.
And so I just thought it wasinteresting because when I read
that I was like okay, one of thethings in the description of a
nine is that you're too much ofa perfectionist like you are,
(28:04):
you know you want to get thingsjust so, especially if you're a
nine wing one Bitch, which manytimes nine nines are a wing one
and then fear of failure,overwhelming.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
I think fear of failure also is from
overthinking, which is anothernine characteristic overthinking
everything so Type 5 is theanalyst and yeah and yeah, but
yeah, I think, yeah, that's agreat list.
I'm not so familiar with theproblem to be able to say if
(28:41):
they missed one, yeah.
But I think if we go througheach of those one by one, kind
of unpack each and explore each,yeah, well, and I think I don't
think this is exhaustive, itmight emerge, yeah, and I don't
think that was exhaustive.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
I think it was just a you know, a good sort of
overview, but.
But I think I'll say like fearof failure.
Well, we need to start at thetop of fear of failure.
I Think that's always.
That's number one on the listand it's number one on this list
.
It's also number one on thelist of number nines.
All the time is, I think numbernines are Always thinking that
(29:17):
they're gonna disappoint someone, that they're gonna disappoint
themselves, that they're gonnayou know.
So they're always thinkingabout how, how is this, how are
other people gonna react to this, or things like that, and I
think fear of failure playsright into that.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
Where you're one and pausing for a moment like that's
.
That's the definition, oftentimes, of failure for that
personality type.
Yes.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
I'm someone yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
I'd like say for you know, and other personalities,
it's Failure to accomplish thegoal.
Yeah right or failure to yeah,I'm escaping be a failure to
help others.
So it's.
It varies, but yes but it'sstill that's true, right that
(29:59):
the true is a maze fear offailure.
Yeah, I'm failure.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
Yeah, and this, this, this definition on here is
anxiety about not meetingexpectations or fear of making
mistakes Can hinder motivationso yeah, perfectionists fear
making mistakes.
Yeah, well, not meetingexpectations.
It's like, who, whoseexpectations?
Well, there's only two there'seither your expectations or
someone else's right right.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
The challengers worried about missing their
expectation.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
They're on that's right.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
Yeah, the nine is worried about you, sorry.
Yeah, this isn't necessarily anintergram episode, it just yeah
, it's a useful framework we can.
I'll drift away from it if Ican yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
So the next one is overwhelmed.
So feeling overloaded or havingtoo many tasks can lead to
paralysis or lack of motivationto start anything at all.
Which sort of the peoplepleaser we were talking about
this earlier, which is sayingyes.
You know, people pleaser saysyes to a lot of things, even
things that they in their backof their head or like.
(31:02):
While they're saying the wordsyes or like, why am I saying yes
to this?
And they're right and they'relike what are you doing?
Why are you saying yes, stop,no, what do you know?
Why are you saying yes, youknow.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
Yeah, they're, and even if, like, they're not
always that present of mind,they can also be saying yes
because they're answering thequestion.
You know, could I do it?
Yeah?
I might, yes, I might do that,or yes, I could do that, or yes,
I can.
Like, I have the capability ofdoing it.
But the question is will theydo it?
And yeah, they're not sayingyes to they will, they're saying
(31:34):
yes to they can, and there's atwo different Questions, right,
right?
Speaker 3 (31:38):
right.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
I'm answer, but different results.
Speaker 3 (31:41):
Yeah, this is another one that we've talked about in
the.
You know, going back to thecross section is having unclear
goals.
So not having a clearachievable goal can make it
challenging to stay motivatedbecause there's no specific
target to work toward.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
Yeah, and, and I can't remember if this was part
of the list or not but it's notjust what you're trying to
achieve, but also why yeah likeyou know, okay, I've got a clear
goal.
Get the ball in the hoop?
Yeah, yeah, but what is?
What does that do for me?
Like who cares?
Yeah, yeah, it'd be cool to beneat to see if I can do it.
(32:21):
And, you know, try.
But Once I do it, like, why doit again?
Like what right?
Like oh, because it gets mepoints.
Well, why don't want points?
Yeah like oh, cuz I'm trying towin the game, well, why don't
want to game?
Because competition is fun.
Yeah.
Oh well, they never mind, I'mout, I'm not, I'm not motivated
about competition.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
Right no.
Yeah, but someone else might be, and that's okay, yeah, okay.
So then, and then burnout.
So prolonged stress oroverexertion, which honestly is,
I think, another number twobeing overwhelm, I think burnout
is just that's the next levelof once you're overwhelmed and
(33:01):
you're overloaded, theneventually that leads to burnout
, unless you do something aboutit, unless you try to figure out
something.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
Yeah, burnout is definitely a symptom.
I have how to say.
I don't think I've revealed whomy employer is by name, but we
do these employee engagementsurveys and one of the questions
is something along the lines,using your own definition of
burnout, how burnt out?
(33:31):
Would you say that you areRight?
And then there's littledescriptions of I have some
symptoms of burnout, but I'm youknow it's manageable or I am
burnt out.
Yeah.
You know, and there's definitelybeen, at least in my microcosm,
an increase of burnout by thatstandard Right, but do you do
(33:54):
phrasing?
Speaker 3 (33:55):
as being like a team leader.
Do you get to see things likethat, not anonymously?
Do you get to see like theresults from your team?
Speaker 1 (34:04):
I get to be.
The way that works is five.
If the manager has five or morepeople in their order, they get
to see the scores Got it so thenumber result as from the how
strongly they agreed ordisagreed.
Yeah, and then leaders who have10 or more people in their org
(34:25):
get to see the anonymouscomments.
Okay, so many new comments weremade.
You know, right, so that Iwon't reveal what I got in that
regard, but that's for myorganization how that happens.
Speaker 3 (34:39):
Got it.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
Okay, I'm sure everybody was different, of
course.
Speaker 3 (34:42):
Well, I was just wondering in terms of the not
necessarily specifically to you,but just like how an
organization deals with that ifthey're actually sending them
out.
Like what is that that?
Obviously the data has to beused for something not
necessarily used for something,but it at least looked at and
evaluated.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
So it does.
It does create some interestingironic moments when trying to
get more or come up withactionable things to address
some of this stuff.
Because, yeah, like one of thequestions is, I feel comfortable
, what?
Is it?
You know they again stronglyagree, strongly disagree and in
between, but it's like I feelcomfortable expressing honest
(35:22):
opinions.
Yeah.
And so if I'm trying to ask mypeople like, hey, tell me more
about this.
Well, if they stronglydisagreed with that statement,
how am I supposed to get them toexpress their honest Right, why
they don't feel comfortableexpressing their honest opinion?
Speaker 3 (35:38):
Right.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
You can't.
There's a it's funny a lot ofresults you can't address
directly, one for maintain theirI'm going off on a tangent here
, I'll really know, but it's ayou kind of have to just observe
, listen, you know, talk aroundit and honor the anonymity.
Yeah, and again the point.
(36:04):
What bears out as burnout ismore of a symptom.
Yeah, it can become like it canperpetuate or or exasperate
causes.
Right, it's piling on.
It's been gasoline on that fire.
Yeah.
But it didn't start the fireright.
There has to be sparks,whatever that may be, and it can
(36:26):
vary from person to person or,you know, cultural context to
cultural context.
Speaker 3 (36:32):
Are you just like bringing up like, like song
lyrics like, yeah, we didn'tstart the fire and no, you are
Brian, no.
I see what you're saying but Ialso think that creating a safe
space again, I'm furthering thetangent here, but creating a
(36:53):
safe space is the big thing, andI can tie that back to
Toastmasters, becauseToastmasters is what I consider
the safe space to learn how toSpeak, public speak or, you know
, get over your fears or otherthings, whatever that might be
for you.
Or at least it's supposed to be.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
Yeah, and reeling it back in towards motivation and
talk about burnout and mysituation.
I guess there's who would lead.
Others must first lead himself,and of course that applies to
the hearse and the themselves.
So another reason why thistopic so relevant to me, right,
(37:38):
is my results were also prettylow on that burnout standard and
the stress standard, and youknow I need to help myself
before I help others.
Yeah and I see the need to helpothers, but I'm not even helping
myself.
So I'm very happy to beexploring this topic For selfish
(38:03):
and altruistic reasons.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
I just did a quick search while you were talking
about that and the, the quote,sort of quote that you just
talked about, I exit.
It sort of rang a bell for me.
But Aristotle said he whocannot be a good follower cannot
(38:28):
be a good leader.
So it's sort of in the oppositeof.
What you sort of said is like,hey, you need to know yourself.
Oops, I kind of defeated yourpoint.
I think knowing yourself is youknow that.
I think it plays into all right, I'm not even going to try to
justify it.
It's fine, it was a good quoteno, it works.
Speaker 1 (38:46):
If, if I can't follow my own directions to myself,
right, I'm going to expectothers to follow directions,
right?
Speaker 3 (38:53):
Yeah, it's.
It's a less literalinterpretation of being a
follower, because you canconsider yourself a follower of
what your brain is telling youto do, if that makes sense.
So anyway.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
I sit in what's the book where they talk about the
elephant and the rider.
It was that drive, or am Imixing that with something else?
Speaker 3 (39:13):
Elephant and the rider.
Yeah, I do not know.
Speaker 1 (39:19):
There's other metaphors similar.
There's the horse and the rider.
But Like you're subconscious,is your animal brain right?
It's the elephant or the horseor whatever.
It is the rider's riding.
Yeah.
And then there's the rider,who's the more conscious
prefrontal cortex person tryingto steer the ship right.
But you've got two brains inthe same boat, and one's more
(39:40):
emotional, the other's morerational, and there has to be a
negotiation, right?
It's like why should the horselisten to the rider?
What's in it for them, right?
Negotiate with yourself, leadyourself to whatever goal you
have, you know, to the water todrink, right.
(40:01):
Mix metaphors.
Yeah.
So I think that's the otherquestion.
That's part of what makes itchallenging for us.
Coming back to motivation, isthat I think we have mixed
motives.
Yeah Right, the animal part ofus just wants to feel good, we
(40:22):
just want emotional equilibrium,and then the rational part of
us knows that it's not all aboutemotion.
Yeah.
But if we're going to influenceour emotional side, we've got to
quote speak in their terms.
Mm hmm that.
So it's like I remember I'mhaving a call back now or
(40:56):
recollection of a tactic.
Say, give it by way of example,say you don't want to get out
of bed in the morning, right,you're just not feeling it.
One one tactic is this yeah,I'd like I don't want to get out
of bed this morning.
And then the second part of thatis but if I do, I get to, or I
can, or you know, or I will getI will earn with the respect of
(41:20):
my clients, or I'll keep therespect of my spouse, or I will
earn a living to keep the bedI'm in and enjoy right now.
Like, right, having that,giving yourself that perspective
of, yes, admitting how you feeland also recognizing the
reality or other perspectivesrelated or surrounding that
feeling or that the situation Ishould say so it's that, it's
(41:44):
that pattern of I don't feellike doing what I know I should
do, right, fill in that blankand then listing off, but if I
do, yeah, all the benefits ofdoing the thing I don't want to
do, and you sort of have thatremind yourself the benefit of
that sacrifice, right?
Otherwise, yeah, I'm sure Comemaking a bigger call back to.
(42:07):
You know Christian religion,I'm sure Jesus and his human
perspective was like I don'twant to die, but if I do, yeah,
you know it means savior orsalvation for all of mankind,
like OK.
You know that's some pretty goodcalculus.
It's a.
That's a very high ROI on thatunpleasant experience.
Speaker 3 (42:27):
Right.
Speaker 1 (42:28):
Right yeah.
Speaker 3 (42:31):
Yeah, well, so we were talking about burnout,
right?
Did that start out with burnout?
Maybe, anyway.
Speaker 1 (42:42):
Burnout was a symptom and, yeah, we probably touched
on some other topics.
So then, Micro rant you'rewelcome, that's okay.
Speaker 3 (42:49):
So the next one is perfectionism, and you know,
basically, you know this saysstriving for perfection can
sometimes backfire, causingindividuals to avoid tasks for
fear of not meeting impossiblyhigh standards, which I can say
for me.
I wish I had more of my wife'sability to actually do.
(43:11):
You know, do an action, like anaction that is less than
perfect or less than yourperception of what is perfect,
is better than no action at all.
And in my mind I do that a lotof times I'm like well, if I
can't, you know, if I can't dothis exactly the way that I want
to, with exactly the tools andexactly everything else, then I
(43:32):
don't know if it's worth doing.
And you know, every singlemotivational person that I talk
to or self-help person is like,you know, an unplanned or some
other kind of action is betterthan no action at all.
Like, the way you work yourselfout of this is by through some
kind of action, like physicalaction, like go take a walk, go
get your clothes on to go to thegym, go, you know, meal prep
(43:55):
for the week or go whatever thataction is.
Just go do the action, don'tthink about it.
Go do the action and that'sbetter than not doing any action
at all.
Speaker 1 (44:04):
So yeah, there's a.
Well, definitely, I'll get youthe link to this YouTube video.
It's one of the best thingsI've ever seen or heard or read
about procrastination in termsof conciseness and completeness.
I think it's Ryan Doris.
This is the channel name, and hetalks about this and one of the
(44:28):
way he, in that video,describes or defines
procrastination.
It's actually the situationwhere you have high motivation
and low action.
It's where you want to dosomething, you have reason to do
something, but you can't bringyourself to do it Right, and so
it's touching on what you'resaying, and a lot of his tactics
(44:49):
and perspectives is about waysto go ahead and do the action
anyway, or moments where you'remore likely recognizing and
leveraging, moments where you'remore likely to be open to doing
the action, taking advantage ofthat, whereas instead of others
it's really effective, and I'llprobably be making other
(45:12):
callbacks to it as we talk.
Speaker 3 (45:14):
Well and I'll make the reference to my the thing
that I've done well in 2023,which is forcing myself to go to
the gym five days a week, andthat is something that I was
very, you know, lacking a lot ofmotivation.
I was very inconsistent with itand so, zeroing in on one thing
(45:36):
of again, sort of talking aboutthe perfectionism but you know,
I was.
You know.
Now my attitude is I just go tothe gym, I don't.
I tell myself, it doesn'tmatter what I do at the gym, it
doesn't matter Like, you'regoing to go there, you're going
to move around a little bit,you're going to break a sweat
and you're going to leave, andthat's it.
And when my alarm goes off, Imost days I mean many days and
(46:00):
towards the end of the year too,when, as it gets colder outside
, I think you don't want to getout of a warm bed when it's cold
, you know, 30 degrees outsidebut you know my alarm goes off.
My alarm doesn't have a snoozebutton, which helps, because
there's no way for me to turn itoff and sleep for five more
minutes.
So I'm either going to get upor I'm going to sleep through it
Like, or I'm going to turn itoff.
(46:20):
I'm going to go back to sleep.
So I get up and I do.
You know the little routinethat I have.
You know, just get my gymclothes on and I've got to be
out the door by a certain time10 minutes before the workout or
whatever to get to the gym, andit's first thing in the morning
.
So it's you know, really themotivation is not necessarily
(46:40):
motivation, but the, the voices,haven't taken over yet for the
day, because it's like firstthing in the morning you know
and, and so you know I I willsay that it's perfectionism
sneaks into that, because I gotsick a little while ago, as you
know, and I couldn't go to thegym for a few days and I missed
(47:04):
like three days and that was thefirst time that I was an
unplanned I like like where Iwas actually here physically, I
hadn't planned to be out and Ihad to miss, and so my so I told
my coach, I said I was reallyactually sort of angry about
doing that because I broke thestreak and that's that and
(47:24):
that's perfectionism.
Right, there is theperfectionism is actually
working in my favor.
A little bit is like I don'twant to break the streak.
I'm 175 workouts in now.
And there's a little thing in myhead like no, just go, because
it'll just be another.
Now it's 176.
And like, let's see how I, howI, how high I can get this thing
.
And so, like I said, it'sworking in my favor because it's
(47:49):
almost a positive level ofperfectionism, like, but it's
also a very simple thing.
It's a literally did you get outof bed and physically go to the
gym?
There's no like but yeah, buthow high was your heart rate, or
how many calories did you burn,or what?
No, did you physically get outof bed and go to the gym?
That's the only thing thatmatters.
You get the check mark rightand so, um, so I, but I can see
(48:14):
how that, how that was workingnot in my favor.
Before this is, I was like Well, if I can't be perfect in this,
if I can't get to the gym andlike work out really, really
hard and do what all the otherpeople at gym are doing, that I
might as well not go, or I'mgoing to just try to go, but I'm
going to try to go this weekand maybe I'll get two days or
maybe I'll get three.
When I boiled it down to just avery simple thing, it was just,
(48:38):
you know and also our agreementto which I don't know if we've
ever told the audience about ouragreement.
Speaker 1 (48:45):
It's been in place for a long time, but that's
another way we were raised innecessity and leveraged your
personality right Like, I think,any, any goals or things that
any of us try to do.
Yeah needs to.
Speaker 3 (49:01):
We need to latch to the things that resonate with
yes, how we actually think andwork and behave in the world,
which is which is exactly whatthe another callback, another
which is exactly the the.
The theory behind strengthsfinders is let's find out what
your five strengths are and now,now that you know what your
(49:23):
five strengths are, you shouldwork within those five strength.
Don't even try to work in yourweakest areas, like you need to
put yourself in a position inyour career, in your family and
everything else that you'reusing those strengths to your
maximum, because that's whereyou're going to be the most
comfortable and the mostsuccessful and, you know, have
the most motivation.
Bringing it back to thisepisode is you're going to be
(49:45):
like, yeah, I can do that, I cando that and I can do that
consistently all day long, right?
So?
Speaker 1 (49:53):
yeah, and that's so like in your situation.
Again, callback to this episodewould be peacemakers, not
wanting to disappoint others.
Speaker 3 (50:00):
Right.
Speaker 1 (50:02):
We raised a necessity for you, where I have
consequences if you don'tperform your action right right,
and we don't have to get intothe details of what but I get to
give to a charity that I do notbelieve in that you're
personally not aligned with.
Speaker 3 (50:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (50:18):
Yes, so there there are financial consequences for
me if Brian fails not only hisgoal, but he fails me to right
and that, and really I don'tthink that's what motivates you
anymore, Like we haven't reallytalked about that or come up
with it.
Yeah, done our accounting.
But it definitely moved yourboulder, but it got in your
(50:39):
favor, right.
Speaker 3 (50:43):
Oh, I was just going to say that is that it got me to
the place where I was able tosay, like I'm going to just do
this for that reason.
But now, like I said, I'm.
It's been let's see March toDecember.
So what is that?
That's nine months, right?
So nine months and 175 trips tothe gym and not one.
(51:05):
You know, it's literally now.
It's just keep the streak alive.
And also, the habit has, as weknow, is talking about habits
and James Clear and atomichabits and all the things we
talk about all the time.
It takes a certain amount oftime for a habit to form and and
that that habit is now justyeah, I'm, I don't really think
about it anymore.
I just think, if I also have,I've also learned or seen the
(51:30):
other benefits that you get fromjust going to the gym, like
getting up and going, which is,you know, some of which, I think
, is actually fighting whatwe're talking about today, which
is, you know, when you havelack of motivation and then you
drop, you drop everything elseoff.
I think physical activity helpsyou, as you know.
Going back to our episode withAustin, you know physical
(51:52):
activity helps you think clear.
It helps you have less stress.
It helps you, and.
But it has to be consistent andover time.
It's not just, oh, I did thatonce that week, it's now every
day.
I just sort of do this.
It's like brushing my teeth,it's like, you know, taking a
shower, it's like whatever thatmight be for you on a daily
basis.
You're doing that right.
(52:12):
So, yeah, some people takeshowers on the daily basis.
Speaker 1 (52:16):
I was about to say.
If you're like me and thosehabits have waned, then all the
more reason that to be listeningto a podcast episode about
losing motivation.
Speaker 3 (52:26):
Right right.
Well, so so a couple of soperfectionism.
Lack of interest is the nextone, which is if tasks and goals
aren't aligned with yourpersonal interests or values.
Speaker 1 (52:37):
Well, let's do a time check.
Do we, do we need a pause andlet this be a to be continued.
No, I think we got in the list.
Speaker 3 (52:44):
We were on, we're on six and that's eight, and we've
got eight on the list, so weshould be able to get them in
here as the causes and thenmaybe next time, on our next
episode, we talk about okay, nowthat we know what's causing
that or potentially causing that, how do we combat this?
And we've already we alreadysort of dealt with that a little
bit, but I think really hithard.
Yeah, but how?
What are some actual things wecan do to get yourself out?
(53:08):
Get yourself out of the hole?
And I think honestly, why won'tgo into it?
We'll talk about in the nextepisode.
Yeah, so let's keep on the case.
Okay, so.
So lack of interest I think thatgoes into what I was just
talking about with strengthfinders.
Even though this talks about,the goals or tasks are aligned
with your personal interests orvalues.
I also think that if they'renot something that you're
(53:30):
particularly strong at like it'snot in your Bailey wick, is
that a word?
Is that a word?
Isn't that?
Isn't that a?
We should use that for a wordof the day in Toastmasters If
it's not in your.
Speaker 1 (53:42):
It's not your forte.
Speaker 3 (53:44):
I think it is.
Anyway, I think, you used itright.
If it's not in your Bailey wick, yeah.
Then you have a hard timegetting motivated to do it
because you think, oh, this isnot at all what I'm designed to
do, like, this is not at allwhat I, what I feel comfortable
doing, what I can, what I feellike I'm going to do an
(54:04):
excellent job at, and so so yeah.
Speaker 1 (54:11):
Yeah, it has the same root as bailiff, but the second
definition is the sphere inwhich one has superior knowledge
or authority.
Speaker 3 (54:19):
There you go If it's not in your bailiwick.
Yeah, man, that was a strongpull.
We had to use that as a word ofthe day.
So, okay, so do you want?
so then seven go ahead Okay soseven is I didn't know if you
had something to say about it.
But seven is a big one which wetouched upon before, which is
(54:43):
mental health issues.
So you know, depression,anxiety or other mental health
conditions can significantlyimpact motivation levels.
So obviously we're notpsychologists, psychiatrists,
counselors, anything like that,but I think that there's.
I think that everyone goesthrough periods of these things
in their life.
So and it could be a very, veryslight amount of depression,
(55:05):
not clinical where you have togo get medicated or have
counseling or anything like thatbut really these are all just
swings of the pendulum, for aregular human being is, at some
point you're going to be justsort of melancholy about life
and just sort of like ho hum,and I don't know why I'm
(55:26):
bringing up all these like oldtimey words bailiwick, ho hum,
melancholy, I don't know.
Anyway, the vespers, you knowwhat it is it's the elixir.
The elixir is making mespeaking old English terms.
Speaker 1 (55:43):
The time is in the language.
Speaker 3 (55:45):
What the heck this thing is making me talk like
alive the ancient mushroomelixir.
Hey, if it's not in yourbailiwick, then make sure that
you all right, sorry.
So mental health issues.
Speaker 1 (56:01):
Oh, mental health.
I would bring it like, that'ssay, depression.
It's hard to know whetherthat's a cause or a symptom of
your situation.
Right, if you do have bouts ofdepression, that is clinical, or
what's the word chronic then,yeah, that's going to be a cause
(56:22):
of a lack of motivation, but itcould be that depression is a
response to prolonged stress.
Like some people, I shouldn'tsay that I have a close
association personally withburnout and depression.
Like I think there's some kindof Venn diagram relationship
there.
That's all I really into it.
(56:42):
I don't want to speak tospecifics because I don't have
those figured out for myself yet.
Yeah.
Well, I think, I think, yes itcan be for sure, like a cause of
lack of motivation.
Speaker 3 (56:55):
Yeah, and then the last one on the list is they
just list as external factorsand that's sort of a more sort
of catch all I would thinkthat's.
They say lack of support,negative environments or
discouragement from others canaffect motivation.
So have you ever heard of the?
Well, I'm sure I know you'veheard of it, but maybe in our
audience you know you have thatperson in your life.
(57:17):
That's the Debbie Downer.
You know that's always and maybenot Debbie Downer about
everything, but maybe they're.
They're sort of discouraging toyou, like for whatever reason,
and that maybe that they'redirectly discouraging, like yeah
, you can't do that, you're not,that's not in it for you, or
it's just sort of like more youknow, less direct than that, and
(57:40):
just saying like well, I'veheard that a lot of people fail
when they try to do that kind ofstuff that you're trying to do.
I don't know, you know oh, youwant to lose weight, yeah man,
you know, hey, you know thestatistics about people who lose
weight.
They all gain it back and youknow, like that kind of a thing
where?
Speaker 1 (57:57):
yeah, sorry, no, that that was it, I was just
reminded of that, you become theaverage of the five people you
spend the most time with.
Yes, you are around more of thenot depressive or discouraged
or demotivated people.
That's going to influence you.
Yeah.
And, I think, external factors.
(58:17):
You mentioned the tired topicof COVID.
Yeah.
Just all of the new normals andpeople not yet having a habit,
have good habits in place ofthat or a lay of the land and
know what to expect.
Yeah.
That can be demotivating frompeople.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (58:38):
And I think I think also that has to do with how you
react to people.
I think some people are moreprone to taking Like well as an
example, like I know that thereare people in my life that I
know of that if somebody tellsthem they can't do something,
they're going to prove, they'regoing to go out and immediately
go do that to prove that personwrong.
(59:00):
And there are other people thatsomebody says you can't do
something and that their answeris okay, you're right, I can't
do that, and they just don't doit.
And so it obviously thispersonality, how, who you are,
how you are but again in ournext episode, talking about what
we can combat this, obviouslythat place plays a big role is
what is your personality Like?
(59:20):
How do you?
Are you somebody that does that?
And I've actually used that alittle bit as a motivating
factor for me of, but most ofthe time it's not other people
telling me that I can't dosomething because, honestly, I
have a very excellent supportsystem in that.
Most people in my life, I think, believe that I'm capable of
(59:40):
way more than I believe myselfto be capable of.
Speaker 1 (59:45):
Right, and so you have to do it to your strong
inner critic.
Speaker 3 (59:48):
Yes, and so here's what I do in terms of that.
You know what I'm answering, orwhat I'm trying to do is I tell
myself, when I hear my innervoice telling me you can't do
that or this is not going to begood, I actually answer back to
myself and say, okay, I'm goingto do it.
Then I'm going to prove youwrong.
I'm going to go do this rightnow, and part of it is the.
(01:00:09):
You know, I talked about yourlack of motivation bleeding into
other things.
Well, it works the other wayalso, and the fact that I've
been just going to the gym likethe quote unquote simple thing
of getting out of bed, puttingon some clothes, going to the
gym, working out and then goingback home, that has been
(01:00:30):
bleeding out into other thingsin my life is like, well, if I
can do that, then maybe I can dothis, and if I can do those two
things, then maybe I can dothat third thing.
Now that I'm doing these threethings, maybe I can do this
thing.
So I think we'll talk maybe alittle bit about that on our
next episode as well, justbecause I think that's.
I think a big factor of allthis is patience with yourself
(01:00:55):
and it's not a short term thingI think we've talked about or a
short term or I think we'vetalked about it before is doing
something small on a daily basisthat can grow into something
bigger, and I think that's.
You know, that's maybe wherewe'll leave it for today, I
guess, unless you have otherthings you want to talk about,
(01:01:16):
but maybe we can pick it upthere in the next episode.
Speaker 1 (01:01:22):
That pick it up there sounds good.
Speaker 3 (01:01:24):
If we're motivated, I mean if we, if we can find the
motivation to record anotherepisode.
Speaker 1 (01:01:28):
Let's just put it.
Let's just put it off to thenext one.
Speaker 3 (01:01:32):
All right, thanks people.
Looking forward to you hearingthe next one.
Bye.
You come to help yourself Food and philosophy
with Brian and Nick.
I'm Nick and I'm Brian.
You know I was going to come upwith something to say, but eh.
What you eating, Brian.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
Couldn't, just couldn't, just couldn't find the
motivation.
You know what am I eating?
So this morning for breakfast Imade a on this unread or on
this redacted day.
I made or my wife made biscuits.
(00:37):
So fresh biscuits out of theoven.
We had some yeah, we had somefrozen turkey sausage and
there's a lot of leftover foodfrom the holidays, so we have
some shredded sharp cheddarcheese and so I made my own
(00:59):
special biscuits with cheese andsausage, or cheese and sausage
biscuits.
And so here's the thing that Ifound out about myself is more
recently I've been thinkingabout it is the process.
I like the process of doingsomething and I try to perfect
the process of like what's thebest way to do this?
And so first I took thebiscuits, cut them in half, a
(01:25):
little bit of butter on them.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
You cut them in half sideways or cut down.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Sideways.
Yeah, so horizontally my firstpicture Horizontally.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Like why would you cut them in half?
What are you doing?
Speaker 3 (01:40):
Yeah, so horizontally I cut them in half, put some a
little bit of butter on them andthen put them under the broiler
in the oven so they got alittle toasty, melted, the
butter, you know all that stuff,so all that good stuff.
Then while that was happening,I was heating up the frozen
sausage, so getting that sort ofthawed out ready to go.
(02:01):
And then when the biscuits cameout and they were a little bit
crispy around the edges andthings, I put the sausage on
there on one side and then I putcheese on both sides, put them
back under the broiler and letthat melt the cheese down and
then I made them into littlebiscuit sandwiches and yeah, it
(02:22):
was really really good.
It turned out that my I don'tknow if I've ever shared my
fantasy on this podcast of notthat kind of fantasy.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
Whoa Just claim her.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
Of my fantasy of opening a breakfast restaurant.
And so I have all thesebreakfast restaurant ideas that
in my head I'm like, wow, I makethis and it's really, really
good, and I've never seen thison a menu at a breakfast
restaurant.
So either that means it's ahorrible idea and people have
already tried it and they'relike, yeah, no, we're not doing
that, or it just isn't.
(02:56):
It's a good idea and nobody'sever gotten it before right, and
so that's one of those.
This is one of those ideas oflike I know other people make
sausage cheese biscuits, butmaking them in a certain way,
with a certain kind of cheese,with a certain kind of sausage,
things like that.
I feel like you know, that'ssort of my ideal kind of I think
(03:22):
I could be successful at it,which is me lying to myself,
really.
But no.
Well, it's the same we know whatit is.
You're in a dialogue of theEnneagram type nine, because
I've never worked in therestaurant industry in my life
and I think I know what I'mtalking about when I really
don't Sure.
(03:44):
But anyway, the biscuits werereally good and I like doing
that on especially days where Iget to have a little bit of
extra time in the morning sothat I can enjoy a little bit
and not have to.
I gotta just wolf somethingdown so I gotta get to the next
thing and allowing that, youknow the tide to take you where
(04:06):
it may.
So that's what basically I ate.
Just a little while ago andBrian's beverage corner.
I have actually a regularbottle of water.
I don't even have my normalactual metal bottle that I
(04:27):
usually.
I know it's a little bit crazy.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
I don't bring too many bad memories because I know
that that bottle wasspecifically bought and measured
, all but designed to fit intoyour dream truck that was.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Was a nightmare truck .
Speaker 3 (04:46):
Well, it still fits perfectly into my EDC backpack.
So I've got a pocket that itspecifically fits into, and but
the color and everything, yeah,I was.
I had purchased that to likematch my truck that I had for a
hot minute and had to get rid ofit, which is a story from
another, for another time.
But so I have water, becausewhen you're public speaking,
(05:10):
hydration is important.
I heard that from somebodysuper smart, that's Mr Nick
Sager.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
And you do, idealizing others again.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
And then the second thing is this is a cool thing.
I've actually been holding onto this for a while and haven't
had a chance to use it on or useit or drink it on the podcast.
I've been saving it to share itwith the audience.
I found this thing.
I think I bought this atSprouts Market.
Like Sprouts, which is forpeople that don't know, that's
(05:43):
like sort of like a Whole Foodskind of organic kind of you can
find some interesting thingsthere.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
So it's healthy.
Expensive versions of standardgroceries.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
Yeah, and so this is not standard.
This is GT's Alive AncientMushroom Elixir.
Yeah, I know it sounds weird,right, but it's root beer
flavored.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
It's from a video game.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
It does it sounds like a you need to, you need to.
It sounds like something youwould buy in, like you know
Fantasyland, or like you knowFrontierland and Disneyland, or
something like oh, come drinkthis ancient mushroom elixir.
You know to be confused withsnake oil, Right, Exactly.
So I did this sort of in thevein of trying different kinds
(06:28):
of kombucha and things like that.
This is.
It was just interesting to mebecause I thought I've never
seen anything like that and thisis root beer flavored, which is
the other thing I was like.
Okay, I like root beer, and soI was trying to see how that
would be.
So this says it has a macrodose of mushroom magic, and so
(06:49):
it's.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
it's saying that it has tested by the FDA, right?
Speaker 3 (06:53):
No, so it's.
It talks about the fruiting,the fruiting body of three
powerful, antioxidant, rich,adaptogen mushrooms.
Right, it just defend yourselffrom free radicals.
Blah, blah, blah.
All that stuff.
Right, so it makes youhealthier.
So the three mushrooms areReishi mushrooms, chaga
mushrooms and turkey tailmushrooms.
(07:14):
So all of our mushroom headsout there, I'm sure they're like
oh my gosh, turkey tailmushrooms.
Those are awesome.
So we've got the powerful trio.
But then it says at the bottomto help people like me who are
not mushroom heads says what isa fruiting body?
It says the fruiting body isthe whole mushroom, a fully
(07:36):
formed cap and stem, which isthe best way to maximize its
nutritional benefits.
So anyway, it's got these trioof powerful mushrooms in it.
It has almost no calories 20calories for the whole bottle.
Doesn't have really anythingelse in it no fat, no carbs.
Actually, take it, it does havesome carbs in it and no protein
(08:00):
.
And it does have raw applecider vinegar in it as well,
which Wow.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
And is that towards the end of the ingredient list
or?
Speaker 3 (08:13):
middle.
Let's see here.
So the first thing is adaptogenmushroom infusion, and then
something called P?
U dash, e, r, h T, pure tea, Iguess, and then raw apple cider
vinegar.
All of these things haveasterisks, by the way, and they
all say organically produced.
It also has dark amber maple init, and then root beer spices.
(08:36):
It also has stevia anderythritol, which are the two,
you know, sweeteners in this.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
Right, what is it?
The new vote?
Fake sweeteners with a fakesugar.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
That's in.
You know, zero calorie softdrinks and all that, Right.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
Right.
But here's the thing, here'swhat I like about this.
Besides, it tastes pretty good.
It has a you can because ofthose root beer spices, you can
actually.
It does taste like root beer.
It's not a you couldn't like.
If you really like root beer,you couldn't like replace root
beer with this but it gives youlike enough of a taste where
you're like, oh yeah, I couldtaste root beer in that.
What I like about it is I lovecompanies that like lean
(09:15):
completely into their marketing.
So like I've talked about youknow liquid death, and like they
just lean completely into it.
Right, so I'll hold this up thecamera.
They can't see it out there,but okay, so see, look at the
font, okay.
The font looks all like oldtimey, but look at the top of
the label.
The top of the label looks likeit's like burnt off or like
(09:39):
torn off like a piece ofparchment.
Yeah, ancient paper.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
Right.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
Like ancient paper and has little divots in the top
and the bottom.
So like the bottom.
Even they so like they leancompletely into that.
That is the turkey tailmushroom right there.
On the front it looks like aturkey tail right, but then even
on the back it has like alittle saying I'll let you read
it.
Can you read that?
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Eat thy food, be thy medicine.
That's a paraphrase of Edisonright, oh, is it?
Okay?
I think so.
He's not.
He's not that time period.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
So well, so that, like I said, some cardinal from
ancient times.
So I just commend them onactually going full in, like all
in, on what they're trying todo, Like yeah, they aren't, like
you know they're.
They're really trying to likeput it in there like, hey, the
ancient mushroom, if you'regoing to use the word elixir on
your drink, you better dosomething like this, right yeah?
(10:36):
So, anyway, I'm going to besipping on that, for that's all
I know.
That's only two beverages,which is a tiny Brian's beverage
corner, but be sipping on bothof those.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Also, it does have a little bit of caffeine, which
you which you, which you lost inquantity, you made up in
quality.
Yes, Well.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
So here's the thing.
I didn't realize this.
I actually took starteddrinking this because I was like
, oh good, it'll be something Ican drink that doesn't have any
caffeine in it.
And then, as I was reading theingredients, it does actually
have caffeine in it.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
So it's got about 75 milligrams.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
So it's about.
It's not quite.
It's stronger than a cup of tea, but not quite as strong as a
cup of coffee.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
So I thought a cup of coffee was like a hundred 15
milligrams.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
No, it's like a hundred to 120, depending.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
It's Google convention, fact fact check us,
fact check us.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
That's a different thing altogether.
So, anyway, we're getting readyto slip.
That's what.
That's what I'm eating anddrinking.
What about you?
Speaker 1 (11:35):
I'm eating, okay, well, it's great minds think
alike in terms of eating theleftovers and how to go about it
.
I too had a kind of breakfastbiscuit of sorts.
Did it for for lunch, but I'mhaving it for lunch, but it's
dinner rolls to dinner rolls andcut them horizontally in half.
(11:58):
Take some of the Christmasslices, of the Christmas ham yes
, put that in there and a littlebit of thin layers of mayo on
both of the insides of oh youhad me at Mayo, no.
And then the unconventional bitright, because it has to be a
(12:19):
ham, egg and cheese sandwich atthe right.
So I took real mac and cheese,not craft, but like real cheese
and real macaroni.
That was a.
Made Special like flavored withsome onion to.
Took that leftovers and ploppedthat in there and had like to
only two of those sandwiches andthat got me through, you know,
(12:45):
until now and probably, yeah,through till didn't like Because
it's so filling.
It's not all the Hollowingredients that you might get
right end up having a bloodsugar crash and you need to eat
something before you freak out.
Yeah.
Before I freak out up to you useI statements so it's, it's
(13:06):
super tasty.
I mean it like when I washaving the food fresh right,
when, when I was at theChristmas dinner with my family
yeah, and join the Mac andenjoying the dinner rolls, like
you know what this needs to be asandwich.
It was nice to have thatexperience so that I hypothesis
validated as an experience.
It was really good.
(13:27):
I Don't think it would haveworked if I'd used the powdered
cheese.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
Yeah, yeah you know?
For if yeah, so I think thatrichness, the richness of a real
homemade Mac and cheese, has tobe there, you know.
The the cream and the cheeseand the butter and everything
else.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
Yeah, and I wanted to ask you like what would you say
the flavor profile was of thatmushroom drink?
Was there like, was it more,more sweet or more umami?
Speaker 3 (13:57):
No, it's something else.
It's slightly sweet, it's not.
It's not like drinking a softdrink.
It's not even like drinking a,one of our nitro cold brews with
like sweet cream in it.
It's probably not even thatsweet.
The front part of it like that.
The first thing you taste isthe Root beer and then the
aftertaste is just sort of like.
(14:18):
I Don't say I don't want to sayit's neutral, but it's like.
It doesn't taste like mushroomsat all.
By the way, like I mean myexperience of mushrooms, I like
mushrooms and it doesn't.
It doesn't have any Feeling oflike wow, I'm drinking like
ground-up mushrooms in this, youknow, and so you know, but I
would say slightly sweet.
(14:39):
It's a little bit like becauseof the apple cider vinegar in it
.
It's a little bit like drinkinga, a kombucha or something like
that.
Where you got a, you got alittle bit of that vinegary kind
of that kind of flavor profileon the backside.
The first first thing you tasteis root beer and then the
aftertaste is the apple cidervinegar and everything else, but
(15:02):
it's not overpowering.
It's not like drinking straightapple cider vinegar or
something like that.
So sure, yeah, so.
I'll actually get some morethere.
They had some other flavors,but I just was in a root beer
mood I've been in a root beerkick recently and and so I got
that because I was like I wantto see what that tastes like and
it'll be good for the podcast,so yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
Nice, let's see.
So for beverages I have watermm-hmm my towel bill Right
bottle glass bottle, I think andI'm still taught Straw-free.
I think it was on record when Isaid that I'm you know what,
right here now I'm gonna throwthe straw away.
(15:44):
Yeah, and so that it's not.
Every sip is plastic-free andit's wonderful.
The only downside is now I kindof to rinse it out more often,
since yeah, my back wash istouching the same brim.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
Oh, yeah, yeah yeah, I've actually toyed with the
idea of getting a differentbottle, not because I'm sad,
because it matched my truck oranything, but I'm.
There's a couple of ones that Idon't like drinking out of a
straw as much, just like you.
You know just the reason youwere saying, and there's a
couple now that my kids havethat are you can either hold it
(16:23):
upright and sip it like a strawor and it's a weird kind of
mechanism that they patent, youknow patented probably or you
can just literally put yourmouth around it and drink it
like an actual Like right out ofthe bottle.
And so I'm toying with I'd havegetting a new, a New thing,
rewarding myself maybe with anew, a new bottle for the new
year or something you know.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
You go oh, it could work.
And then I also have an icedamericano decaf with as Little
sweet cream as they can put intoit.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
I'm picturing a Starbucks employee with like a
dropper, like.
You're like I want.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Yeah, I don't think it's that scant right.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
Yeah it's.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
It's like, yeah, add sweet cream, but the smallest
splash you can ring up right.
So that that's where I'm atwith that.
I've been at the time thisrecord 14, 15 days.
Into my, Do the math, maybeit's 13 days.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
Decaf Coffee oh, I have any coffee at all.
It's decaf only so completelydecaf all at all caffeine just
not like.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
No, just just decaf coffee, it's kind of just a cap
rise like yeah, I'll have.
Since then I've only had likethree sodas.
So, yeah, it's not.
It's definitely a caffeinereduction.
Yeah and Was it a thing itwould be.
It would be like what 28 daysif I hadn't splurged Midway
(18:13):
through my birthday, I wentahead and had a, a nitro, you
know yeah, but it's my birthday,you know.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
Well, on that note, I still actually have.
I should play this on the onthe podcast someday.
I Still actually have, if I canget the audio.
I don't know how I'd get theaudio, but I have Somewhere on
my phone.
I thought I had.
I'm looking for it right now.
Oh yeah, december 20th 2021.
(18:42):
We just passed it.
I have the message from whenyou broke the french fry the
last time you broke the French I, so I'm keeping track like this
mark is stay on your calendar.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
For those of you who haven't listened to the podcast
for a long time.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
Nick left me a message when he broke his rule
of I don't have any French fries, and it was a couple of years
ago now, so Thanks, maxby's.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
Yeah For including fries with your food right
driving and just mindlessly yeahwhat's left in my plate and
like, oh my gosh.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
Immediately.
I need to call Brian.
Alright, well, do you want toget into our topic today?
We've talked about food for alittle while, as per usual.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
Yeah, I don't mean it's a very organic process that
we have for coming up with ourtopics.
We're like yes.
We're coming up on the new year, you want to do something about
New Year's and we're likeMotivated about that kind of
stuff, and right, oh, let's talkabout that.
Yes, exactly.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
So let's talk about not feeling motivated, or well,
just yeah, when we were when wewere texting and you were saying
like do you have any ideas fortopics?
And then you threw out likemotivation, because I'm lacking
it.
And I was like immediately I'mlike yes, we need to talk about
that.
Yes, that absolutely has to beour topic, because I mean yeah,
(20:18):
we call this help yourself, fora reason right and if both need
you to get out of whatever funkwe're in.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
Let's help ourselves to that well, and also I think
smothers along the way.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
I think the time of year too you know, we're
recording this at the end of theyear and, as I said before,
when we were talking aboutbefore, before we recorded is
you know this, and we've doneother episodes on this but like
sort of this artificial thingthat everyone does at the end of
any given calendar year andJust saying, okay, next year I'm
(20:48):
gonna do this.
You know, this is what I wantto Accomplish, this is what I
want.
Well, the then you have to backup from.
That is like well, why haven'tyou already done that?
And I think most of the time, alot of times, it's some type of
lack of motivation, like what?
Why are you not motivated to dothat?
Because the thing is, you dothings that you want to do.
You do things that like, if youreally want something, you do
(21:09):
something for about it.
Um, I know there's barriers toit, but then the question is, if
it is something that you reallywant, then why are you not
doing it?
Why are you not doing somethingto?
And I'm not saying that as aninsult to the audience, I'm not
saying like, why aren't youdoing something?
It's like no, I'm talking tomyself.
Yeah, exactly yeah.
I'm saying yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
Why are you not doing something about it?
Speaker 3 (21:30):
You know, like, if you want to change.
I mean this it's so funnybecause this topic Probably cuts
across Not horizontally on thebiscuit, but vertically on the
biscuit, cuts across A lot ofdifferent subjects We've already
talked about in the past, right, um, we, you know, motivation
cuts across, like you knowyou're basically your feelings
(21:52):
about yourself.
It cuts across, like all of thepersonality.
It cuts across your habits.
It cuts across I mean, it cutsacross so many things.
I basically you could look atthis episode or this, this group
of episodes, as a cross sectionof, in essence, what we've
talked about the last threeyears on this podcast, because
it almost touches no pressure.
I know exactly.
(22:13):
Yeah, this is a culmination ofthree.
We're here.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Right, exactly but it .
Speaker 3 (22:17):
But it really does, though, because it's, I mean
it's.
I mean that's probably atestament to the fact that it's
a super broad subject that we'retrying to address here.
But yeah at the same time.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
One, I think, another just to inject this before we
do the past.
Why I talk about this?
Speaker 3 (22:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
I could be projecting the usual caveats that I could
be projecting, but I feel likeI've seen a lack of motivation
and others to hear recently.
Like you know, in Toastmasters,not just all people aren't
signing up for roles, yep, aslike they used to.
I feel like this past Christmaspeople kind of phoned it in.
(22:54):
You know, it was all Gift cardsand books or what was exactly
on your list.
There wasn't as much, even lessthought put into it.
Yeah, I was sort of like hey,let's get it over with, let's
let's jump through the gothrough the motions, right, and
and I feel like I'm in that boattoo, like again, I'm projecting
a bit here, but I also seemedto see it and others.
(23:15):
It may be timely.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
Yeah, I think I think it.
I think the lack of motivationIs pervasive.
I think it it bleeds into everypart.
So it's not like you're.
I'm really lack of motive.
I'm really lacking motivationin my you know, in my work life.
But I have motivationeverywhere else in my life.
It typically it doesn't.
I don't think it works likethat.
(23:40):
I think it's if you're feelinga lack of motivation, it's a
over overriding To you'rebringing that to everything that
you're doing or you're notbringing it to everything you're
doing.
I should say so, so same thingwith Toastmasters is I think you
know if You're feeling thatanother and I think a lot of
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people are exactly what you saidI think a lot of people are
feeling a I mean just the stateof America over the last few
years, especially like comingout of Covid.
I know this is like a tiredsubject, but you know the last,
like the last three or fouryears of our American life, has
been the strangest thing in thewar and it's been completely out
(24:23):
of our control and it'ssomething that we did never
thought.
You know, things that we neverthought would happen or anything
like that.
You know, I Happened and sowe're all, we're all living that
common experience andeveryone's dealing with it in
different ways.
But I think there's a lot ofnegativity and a lot of people
(24:43):
that are just like Wow, liketaking a deep breath and going,
okay, what's next, what's gonnahappen next?
And so, anyway, I I did pull upa couple things.
This might help our one.
Oh, go ahead, one of the littlebit of preamble.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
Yeah, I think one of the ways in which we you and I
are well qualified to discussthis subject Is because we're
type 9 peacemakers on the yesyeah, that, while
Procrastination is not unique toany one personality type right
like nines and probably someothers, but Nines have perfected
(25:21):
the art and the craft.
Yeah, avoidance of delay, ofyep.
Seeking peace at any price andgoing along so like putting
things off, setting things aside.
Yeah the greater good Becomes ahabit, right?
So anybody of any personalitytype who's struggling with these
kinds of things.
Well, we've suffered thisexperience so much that we we
(25:44):
have some conscious we can makesome of this unconscious stuff
conscious.
Yeah, I had to think about itlonger and sooner in our life
than maybe some others.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
Yes, well, it's a good, that's a good point,
considering that obviously yourpersonality type Not necessarily
enneagram, but just like thetype of personality you have in
a more general sense Is gonnaplay into how things affect you.
You know how the world affectsyou, how everything else affects
you and, as you said, us asself identifying as Nine you
(26:15):
know nine on the enneagram scaleCertainly plays into this, and
I feel like nines probably havea more pre, more of a
predisposition to a Few thingsthat are.
You know that that lead to lackof motivation, because I think
lack of motivation is a symptom,it's not the thing, it's a
(26:38):
symptom of something else.
So the question is, what arethose other things?
But I did pull up a list ofcauses.
You know basic causes of lack ofmotivation and the interesting
thing is that if and you, youtell me if you think the same
thing.
But most of these things forsomebody who would be like a
number nine are, you know, theylead right into it.
(27:02):
They're probably even actuallyin the description of nine For
some of these so so the firstone is fear of failure.
Second one is overwhelm, sofeeling overloaded or having too
many tasks.
Number three unclear goals, sonot having clear achievable
goals.
Burnout, so prolonged stressand over exertion.
(27:22):
Right perfectionism lack ofinterest, so if the tasks, their
goals, aren't aligned with yourpersonal interests or values.
Mental health is health issues,which is a big thing I think
people are dealing with in, atleast in America.
I think a lot of people aredealing with depression, anxiety
or other some level of that,and it's not doesn't necessarily
(27:43):
mean it's debilitating, butMost people have some level of
anxiety in their life at somepoint.
And then external factors, solack of support, negative
environments or discouragementfrom others.
And so I just thought it wasinteresting because when I read
that I was like okay, one of thethings in the description of a
nine is that you're too much ofa perfectionist like you are,
(28:04):
you know you want to get thingsjust so, especially if you're a
nine wing one Bitch, which manytimes nine nines are a wing one
and then fear of failure,overwhelming.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
I think fear of failure also is from
overthinking, which is anothernine characteristic overthinking
everything so Type 5 is theanalyst and yeah and yeah, but
yeah, I think, yeah, that's agreat list.
I'm not so familiar with theproblem to be able to say if
(28:41):
they missed one, yeah.
But I think if we go througheach of those one by one, kind
of unpack each and explore each,yeah, well, and I think I don't
think this is exhaustive, itmight emerge, yeah, and I don't
think that was exhaustive.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
I think it was just a you know, a good sort of
overview, but.
But I think I'll say like fearof failure.
Well, we need to start at thetop of fear of failure.
I Think that's always.
That's number one on the listand it's number one on this list
.
It's also number one on thelist of number nines.
All the time is, I think numbernines are Always thinking that
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they're gonna disappoint someone, that they're gonna disappoint
themselves, that they're gonnayou know.
So they're always thinkingabout how, how is this, how are
other people gonna react to this, or things like that, and I
think fear of failure playsright into that.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
Where you're one and pausing for a moment like that's
.
That's the definition, oftentimes, of failure for that
personality type.
Yes.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
I'm someone yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
I'd like say for you know, and other personalities,
it's Failure to accomplish thegoal.
Yeah right or failure to yeah,I'm escaping be a failure to
help others.
So it's.
It varies, but yes but it'sstill that's true, right that
(29:59):
the true is a maze fear offailure.
Yeah, I'm failure.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
Yeah, and this, this, this definition on here is
anxiety about not meetingexpectations or fear of making
mistakes Can hinder motivationso yeah, perfectionists fear
making mistakes.
Yeah, well, not meetingexpectations.
It's like, who, whoseexpectations?
Well, there's only two there'seither your expectations or
someone else's right right.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
The challengers worried about missing their
expectation.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
They're on that's right.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
Yeah, the nine is worried about you, sorry.
Yeah, this isn't necessarily anintergram episode, it just yeah
, it's a useful framework we can.
I'll drift away from it if Ican yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
So the next one is overwhelmed.
So feeling overloaded or havingtoo many tasks can lead to
paralysis or lack of motivationto start anything at all.
Which sort of the peoplepleaser we were talking about
this earlier, which is sayingyes.
You know, people pleaser saysyes to a lot of things, even
things that they in their backof their head or like.
(31:02):
While they're saying the wordsyes or like, why am I saying yes
to this?
And they're right and they'relike what are you doing?
Why are you saying yes, stop,no, what do you know?
Why are you saying yes, youknow.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
Yeah, they're, and even if, like, they're not
always that present of mind,they can also be saying yes
because they're answering thequestion.
You know, could I do it?
Yeah?
I might, yes, I might do that,or yes, I could do that, or yes,
I can.
Like, I have the capability ofdoing it.
But the question is will theydo it?
And yeah, they're not sayingyes to they will, they're saying
(31:34):
yes to they can, and there's atwo different Questions, right,
right?
Speaker 3 (31:38):
right.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
I'm answer, but different results.
Speaker 3 (31:41):
Yeah, this is another one that we've talked about in
the.
You know, going back to thecross section is having unclear
goals.
So not having a clearachievable goal can make it
challenging to stay motivatedbecause there's no specific
target to work toward.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
Yeah, and, and I can't remember if this was part
of the list or not but it's notjust what you're trying to
achieve, but also why yeah likeyou know, okay, I've got a clear
goal.
Get the ball in the hoop?
Yeah, yeah, but what is?
What does that do for me?
Like who cares?
Yeah, yeah, it'd be cool to beneat to see if I can do it.
(32:21):
And, you know, try.
But Once I do it, like, why doit again?
Like what right?
Like oh, because it gets mepoints.
Well, why don't want points?
Yeah like oh, cuz I'm trying towin the game, well, why don't
want to game?
Because competition is fun.
Yeah.
Oh well, they never mind, I'mout, I'm not, I'm not motivated
about competition.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
Right no.
Yeah, but someone else might be, and that's okay, yeah, okay.
So then, and then burnout.
So prolonged stress oroverexertion, which honestly is,
I think, another number twobeing overwhelm, I think burnout
is just that's the next levelof once you're overwhelmed and
(33:01):
you're overloaded, theneventually that leads to burnout
, unless you do something aboutit, unless you try to figure out
something.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
Yeah, burnout is definitely a symptom.
I have how to say.
I don't think I've revealed whomy employer is by name, but we
do these employee engagementsurveys and one of the questions
is something along the lines,using your own definition of
burnout, how burnt out?
(33:31):
Would you say that you areRight?
And then there's littledescriptions of I have some
symptoms of burnout, but I'm youknow it's manageable or I am
burnt out.
Yeah.
You know, and there's definitelybeen, at least in my microcosm,
an increase of burnout by thatstandard Right, but do you do
(33:54):
phrasing?
Speaker 3 (33:55):
as being like a team leader.
Do you get to see things likethat, not anonymously?
Do you get to see like theresults from your team?
Speaker 1 (34:04):
I get to be.
The way that works is five.
If the manager has five or morepeople in their order, they get
to see the scores Got it so thenumber result as from the how
strongly they agreed ordisagreed.
Yeah, and then leaders who have10 or more people in their org
(34:25):
get to see the anonymouscomments.
Okay, so many new comments weremade.
You know, right, so that Iwon't reveal what I got in that
regard, but that's for myorganization how that happens.
Speaker 3 (34:39):
Got it.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
Okay, I'm sure everybody was different, of
course.
Speaker 3 (34:42):
Well, I was just wondering in terms of the not
necessarily specifically to you,but just like how an
organization deals with that ifthey're actually sending them
out.
Like what is that that?
Obviously the data has to beused for something not
necessarily used for something,but it at least looked at and
evaluated.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
So it does.
It does create some interestingironic moments when trying to
get more or come up withactionable things to address
some of this stuff.
Because, yeah, like one of thequestions is, I feel comfortable
, what?
Is it?
You know they again stronglyagree, strongly disagree and in
between, but it's like I feelcomfortable expressing honest
(35:22):
opinions.
Yeah.
And so if I'm trying to ask mypeople like, hey, tell me more
about this.
Well, if they stronglydisagreed with that statement,
how am I supposed to get them toexpress their honest Right, why
they don't feel comfortableexpressing their honest opinion?
Speaker 3 (35:38):
Right.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
You can't.
There's a it's funny a lot ofresults you can't address
directly, one for maintain theirI'm going off on a tangent here
, I'll really know, but it's ayou kind of have to just observe
, listen, you know, talk aroundit and honor the anonymity.
Yeah, and again the point.
(36:04):
What bears out as burnout ismore of a symptom.
Yeah, it can become like it canperpetuate or or exasperate
causes.
Right, it's piling on.
It's been gasoline on that fire.
Yeah.
But it didn't start the fireright.
There has to be sparks,whatever that may be, and it can
(36:26):
vary from person to person or,you know, cultural context to
cultural context.
Speaker 3 (36:32):
Are you just like bringing up like, like song
lyrics like, yeah, we didn'tstart the fire and no, you are
Brian, no.
I see what you're saying but Ialso think that creating a safe
space again, I'm furthering thetangent here, but creating a
(36:53):
safe space is the big thing, andI can tie that back to
Toastmasters, becauseToastmasters is what I consider
the safe space to learn how toSpeak, public speak or, you know
, get over your fears or otherthings, whatever that might be
for you.
Or at least it's supposed to be.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
Yeah, and reeling it back in towards motivation and
talk about burnout and mysituation.
I guess there's who would lead.
Others must first lead himself,and of course that applies to
the hearse and the themselves.
So another reason why thistopic so relevant to me, right,
(37:38):
is my results were also prettylow on that burnout standard and
the stress standard, and youknow I need to help myself
before I help others.
Yeah and I see the need to helpothers, but I'm not even helping
myself.
So I'm very happy to beexploring this topic For selfish
(38:03):
and altruistic reasons.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
I just did a quick search while you were talking
about that and the, the quote,sort of quote that you just
talked about, I exit.
It sort of rang a bell for me.
But Aristotle said he whocannot be a good follower cannot
(38:28):
be a good leader.
So it's sort of in the oppositeof.
What you sort of said is like,hey, you need to know yourself.
Oops, I kind of defeated yourpoint.
I think knowing yourself is youknow that.
I think it plays into all right, I'm not even going to try to
justify it.
It's fine, it was a good quoteno, it works.
Speaker 1 (38:46):
If, if I can't follow my own directions to myself,
right, I'm going to expectothers to follow directions,
right?
Speaker 3 (38:53):
Yeah, it's.
It's a less literalinterpretation of being a
follower, because you canconsider yourself a follower of
what your brain is telling youto do, if that makes sense.
So anyway.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
I sit in what's the book where they talk about the
elephant and the rider.
It was that drive, or am Imixing that with something else?
Speaker 3 (39:13):
Elephant and the rider.
Yeah, I do not know.
Speaker 1 (39:19):
There's other metaphors similar.
There's the horse and the rider.
But Like you're subconscious,is your animal brain right?
It's the elephant or the horseor whatever.
It is the rider's riding.
Yeah.
And then there's the rider,who's the more conscious
prefrontal cortex person tryingto steer the ship right.
But you've got two brains inthe same boat, and one's more
(39:40):
emotional, the other's morerational, and there has to be a
negotiation, right?
It's like why should the horselisten to the rider?
What's in it for them, right?
Negotiate with yourself, leadyourself to whatever goal you
have, you know, to the water todrink, right.
(40:01):
Mix metaphors.
Yeah.
So I think that's the otherquestion.
That's part of what makes itchallenging for us.
Coming back to motivation, isthat I think we have mixed
motives.
Yeah Right, the animal part ofus just wants to feel good, we
(40:22):
just want emotional equilibrium,and then the rational part of
us knows that it's not all aboutemotion.
Yeah.
But if we're going to influenceour emotional side, we've got to
quote speak in their terms.
Mm hmm that.
So it's like I remember I'mhaving a call back now or
(40:56):
recollection of a tactic.
Say, give it by way of example,say you don't want to get out
of bed in the morning, right,you're just not feeling it.
One one tactic is this yeah,I'd like I don't want to get out
of bed this morning.
And then the second part of thatis but if I do, I get to, or I
can, or you know, or I will getI will earn with the respect of
(41:20):
my clients, or I'll keep therespect of my spouse, or I will
earn a living to keep the bedI'm in and enjoy right now.
Like, right, having that,giving yourself that perspective
of, yes, admitting how you feeland also recognizing the
reality or other perspectivesrelated or surrounding that
feeling or that the situation Ishould say so it's that, it's
(41:44):
that pattern of I don't feellike doing what I know I should
do, right, fill in that blankand then listing off, but if I
do, yeah, all the benefits ofdoing the thing I don't want to
do, and you sort of have thatremind yourself the benefit of
that sacrifice, right?
Otherwise, yeah, I'm sure Comemaking a bigger call back to.
(42:07):
You know Christian religion,I'm sure Jesus and his human
perspective was like I don'twant to die, but if I do, yeah,
you know it means savior orsalvation for all of mankind,
like OK.
You know that's some pretty goodcalculus.
It's a.
That's a very high ROI on thatunpleasant experience.
Speaker 3 (42:27):
Right.
Speaker 1 (42:28):
Right yeah.
Speaker 3 (42:31):
Yeah, well, so we were talking about burnout,
right?
Did that start out with burnout?
Maybe, anyway.
Speaker 1 (42:42):
Burnout was a symptom and, yeah, we probably touched
on some other topics.
So then, Micro rant you'rewelcome, that's okay.
Speaker 3 (42:49):
So the next one is perfectionism, and you know,
basically, you know this saysstriving for perfection can
sometimes backfire, causingindividuals to avoid tasks for
fear of not meeting impossiblyhigh standards, which I can say
for me.
I wish I had more of my wife'sability to actually do.
(43:11):
You know, do an action, like anaction that is less than
perfect or less than yourperception of what is perfect,
is better than no action at all.
And in my mind I do that a lotof times I'm like well, if I
can't, you know, if I can't dothis exactly the way that I want
to, with exactly the tools andexactly everything else, then I
(43:32):
don't know if it's worth doing.
And you know, every singlemotivational person that I talk
to or self-help person is like,you know, an unplanned or some
other kind of action is betterthan no action at all.
Like, the way you work yourselfout of this is by through some
kind of action, like physicalaction, like go take a walk, go
get your clothes on to go to thegym, go, you know, meal prep
(43:55):
for the week or go whatever thataction is.
Just go do the action, don'tthink about it.
Go do the action and that'sbetter than not doing any action
at all.
Speaker 1 (44:04):
So yeah, there's a.
Well, definitely, I'll get youthe link to this YouTube video.
It's one of the best thingsI've ever seen or heard or read
about procrastination in termsof conciseness and completeness.
I think it's Ryan Doris.
This is the channel name, and hetalks about this and one of the
(44:28):
way he, in that video,describes or defines
procrastination.
It's actually the situationwhere you have high motivation
and low action.
It's where you want to dosomething, you have reason to do
something, but you can't bringyourself to do it Right, and so
it's touching on what you'resaying, and a lot of his tactics
(44:49):
and perspectives is about waysto go ahead and do the action
anyway, or moments where you'remore likely recognizing and
leveraging, moments where you'remore likely to be open to doing
the action, taking advantage ofthat, whereas instead of others
it's really effective, and I'llprobably be making other
(45:12):
callbacks to it as we talk.
Speaker 3 (45:14):
Well and I'll make the reference to my the thing
that I've done well in 2023,which is forcing myself to go to
the gym five days a week, andthat is something that I was
very, you know, lacking a lot ofmotivation.
I was very inconsistent with itand so, zeroing in on one thing
(45:36):
of again, sort of talking aboutthe perfectionism but you know,
I was.
You know.
Now my attitude is I just go tothe gym, I don't.
I tell myself, it doesn'tmatter what I do at the gym, it
doesn't matter Like, you'regoing to go there, you're going
to move around a little bit,you're going to break a sweat
and you're going to leave, andthat's it.
And when my alarm goes off, Imost days I mean many days and
(46:00):
towards the end of the year too,when, as it gets colder outside
, I think you don't want to getout of a warm bed when it's cold
, you know, 30 degrees outsidebut you know my alarm goes off.
My alarm doesn't have a snoozebutton, which helps, because
there's no way for me to turn itoff and sleep for five more
minutes.
So I'm either going to get upor I'm going to sleep through it
Like, or I'm going to turn itoff.
(46:20):
I'm going to go back to sleep.
So I get up and I do.
You know the little routinethat I have.
You know, just get my gymclothes on and I've got to be
out the door by a certain time10 minutes before the workout or
whatever to get to the gym, andit's first thing in the morning
.
So it's you know, really themotivation is not necessarily
(46:40):
motivation, but the, the voices,haven't taken over yet for the
day, because it's like firstthing in the morning you know
and, and so you know I I willsay that it's perfectionism
sneaks into that, because I gotsick a little while ago, as you
know, and I couldn't go to thegym for a few days and I missed
(47:04):
like three days and that was thefirst time that I was an
unplanned I like like where Iwas actually here physically, I
hadn't planned to be out and Ihad to miss, and so my so I told
my coach, I said I was reallyactually sort of angry about
doing that because I broke thestreak and that's that and
(47:24):
that's perfectionism.
Right, there is theperfectionism is actually
working in my favor.
A little bit is like I don'twant to break the streak.
I'm 175 workouts in now.
And there's a little thing in myhead like no, just go, because
it'll just be another.
Now it's 176.
And like, let's see how I, howI, how high I can get this thing
.
And so, like I said, it'sworking in my favor because it's
(47:49):
almost a positive level ofperfectionism, like, but it's
also a very simple thing.
It's a literally did you get outof bed and physically go to the
gym?
There's no like but yeah, buthow high was your heart rate, or
how many calories did you burn,or what?
No, did you physically get outof bed and go to the gym?
That's the only thing thatmatters.
You get the check mark rightand so, um, so I, but I can see
(48:14):
how that, how that was workingnot in my favor.
Before this is, I was like Well, if I can't be perfect in this,
if I can't get to the gym andlike work out really, really
hard and do what all the otherpeople at gym are doing, that I
might as well not go, or I'mgoing to just try to go, but I'm
going to try to go this weekand maybe I'll get two days or
maybe I'll get three.
When I boiled it down to just avery simple thing, it was just,
(48:38):
you know and also our agreementto which I don't know if we've
ever told the audience about ouragreement.
Speaker 1 (48:45):
It's been in place for a long time, but that's
another way we were raised innecessity and leveraged your
personality right Like, I think,any, any goals or things that
any of us try to do.
Yeah needs to.
Speaker 3 (49:01):
We need to latch to the things that resonate with
yes, how we actually think andwork and behave in the world,
which is which is exactly whatthe another callback, another
which is exactly the the.
The theory behind strengthsfinders is let's find out what
your five strengths are and now,now that you know what your
(49:23):
five strengths are, you shouldwork within those five strength.
Don't even try to work in yourweakest areas, like you need to
put yourself in a position inyour career, in your family and
everything else that you'reusing those strengths to your
maximum, because that's whereyou're going to be the most
comfortable and the mostsuccessful and, you know, have
the most motivation.
Bringing it back to thisepisode is you're going to be
(49:45):
like, yeah, I can do that, I cando that and I can do that
consistently all day long, right?
So?
Speaker 1 (49:53):
yeah, and that's so like in your situation.
Again, callback to this episodewould be peacemakers, not
wanting to disappoint others.
Speaker 3 (50:00):
Right.
Speaker 1 (50:02):
We raised a necessity for you, where I have
consequences if you don'tperform your action right right,
and we don't have to get intothe details of what but I get to
give to a charity that I do notbelieve in that you're
personally not aligned with.
Speaker 3 (50:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (50:18):
Yes, so there there are financial consequences for
me if Brian fails not only hisgoal, but he fails me to right
and that, and really I don'tthink that's what motivates you
anymore, Like we haven't reallytalked about that or come up
with it.
Yeah, done our accounting.
But it definitely moved yourboulder, but it got in your
(50:39):
favor, right.
Speaker 3 (50:43):
Oh, I was just going to say that is that it got me to
the place where I was able tosay, like I'm going to just do
this for that reason.
But now, like I said, I'm.
It's been let's see March toDecember.
So what is that?
That's nine months, right?
So nine months and 175 trips tothe gym and not one.
(51:05):
You know, it's literally now.
It's just keep the streak alive.
And also, the habit has, as weknow, is talking about habits
and James Clear and atomichabits and all the things we
talk about all the time.
It takes a certain amount oftime for a habit to form and and
that that habit is now justyeah, I'm, I don't really think
about it anymore.
I just think, if I also have,I've also learned or seen the
(51:30):
other benefits that you get fromjust going to the gym, like
getting up and going, which is,you know, some of which, I think
, is actually fighting whatwe're talking about today, which
is, you know, when you havelack of motivation and then you
drop, you drop everything elseoff.
I think physical activity helpsyou, as you know.
Going back to our episode withAustin, you know physical
(51:52):
activity helps you think clear.
It helps you have less stress.
It helps you, and.
But it has to be consistent andover time.
It's not just, oh, I did thatonce that week, it's now every
day.
I just sort of do this.
It's like brushing my teeth,it's like, you know, taking a
shower, it's like whatever thatmight be for you on a daily
basis.
You're doing that right.
(52:12):
So, yeah, some people takeshowers on the daily basis.
Speaker 1 (52:16):
I was about to say.
If you're like me and thosehabits have waned, then all the
more reason that to be listeningto a podcast episode about
losing motivation.
Speaker 3 (52:26):
Right right.
Well, so so a couple of soperfectionism.
Lack of interest is the nextone, which is if tasks and goals
aren't aligned with yourpersonal interests or values.
Speaker 1 (52:37):
Well, let's do a time check.
Do we, do we need a pause andlet this be a to be continued.
No, I think we got in the list.
Speaker 3 (52:44):
We were on, we're on six and that's eight, and we've
got eight on the list, so weshould be able to get them in
here as the causes and thenmaybe next time, on our next
episode, we talk about okay, nowthat we know what's causing
that or potentially causing that, how do we combat this?
And we've already we alreadysort of dealt with that a little
bit, but I think really hithard.
Yeah, but how?
What are some actual things wecan do to get yourself out?
(53:08):
Get yourself out of the hole?
And I think honestly, why won'tgo into it?
We'll talk about in the nextepisode.
Yeah, so let's keep on the case.
Okay, so.
So lack of interest I think thatgoes into what I was just
talking about with strengthfinders.
Even though this talks about,the goals or tasks are aligned
with your personal interests orvalues.
I also think that if they'renot something that you're
(53:30):
particularly strong at like it'snot in your Bailey wick, is
that a word?
Is that a word?
Isn't that?
Isn't that a?
We should use that for a wordof the day in Toastmasters If
it's not in your.
Speaker 1 (53:42):
It's not your forte.
Speaker 3 (53:44):
I think it is.
Anyway, I think, you used itright.
If it's not in your Bailey wick, yeah.
Then you have a hard timegetting motivated to do it
because you think, oh, this isnot at all what I'm designed to
do, like, this is not at allwhat I, what I feel comfortable
doing, what I can, what I feellike I'm going to do an
(54:04):
excellent job at, and so so yeah.
Speaker 1 (54:11):
Yeah, it has the same root as bailiff, but the second
definition is the sphere inwhich one has superior knowledge
or authority.
Speaker 3 (54:19):
There you go If it's not in your bailiwick.
Yeah, man, that was a strongpull.
We had to use that as a word ofthe day.
So, okay, so do you want?
so then seven go ahead Okay soseven is I didn't know if you
had something to say about it.
But seven is a big one which wetouched upon before, which is
(54:43):
mental health issues.
So you know, depression,anxiety or other mental health
conditions can significantlyimpact motivation levels.
So obviously we're notpsychologists, psychiatrists,
counselors, anything like that,but I think that there's.
I think that everyone goesthrough periods of these things
in their life.
So and it could be a very, veryslight amount of depression,
(55:05):
not clinical where you have togo get medicated or have
counseling or anything like thatbut really these are all just
swings of the pendulum, for aregular human being is, at some
point you're going to be justsort of melancholy about life
and just sort of like ho hum,and I don't know why I'm
(55:26):
bringing up all these like oldtimey words bailiwick, ho hum,
melancholy, I don't know.
Anyway, the vespers, you knowwhat it is it's the elixir.
The elixir is making mespeaking old English terms.
Speaker 1 (55:43):
The time is in the language.
Speaker 3 (55:45):
What the heck this thing is making me talk like
alive the ancient mushroomelixir.
Hey, if it's not in yourbailiwick, then make sure that
you all right, sorry.
So mental health issues.
Speaker 1 (56:01):
Oh, mental health.
I would bring it like, that'ssay, depression.
It's hard to know whetherthat's a cause or a symptom of
your situation.
Right, if you do have bouts ofdepression, that is clinical, or
what's the word chronic then,yeah, that's going to be a cause
(56:22):
of a lack of motivation, but itcould be that depression is a
response to prolonged stress.
Like some people, I shouldn'tsay that I have a close
association personally withburnout and depression.
Like I think there's some kindof Venn diagram relationship
there.
That's all I really into it.
(56:42):
I don't want to speak tospecifics because I don't have
those figured out for myself yet.
Yeah.
Well, I think, I think, yes itcan be for sure, like a cause of
lack of motivation.
Speaker 3 (56:55):
Yeah, and then the last one on the list is they
just list as external factorsand that's sort of a more sort
of catch all I would thinkthat's.
They say lack of support,negative environments or
discouragement from others canaffect motivation.
So have you ever heard of the?
Well, I'm sure I know you'veheard of it, but maybe in our
audience you know you have thatperson in your life.
(57:17):
That's the Debbie Downer.
You know that's always and maybenot Debbie Downer about
everything, but maybe they're.
They're sort of discouraging toyou, like for whatever reason,
and that maybe that they'redirectly discouraging, like yeah
, you can't do that, you're not,that's not in it for you, or
it's just sort of like more youknow, less direct than that, and
(57:40):
just saying like well, I'veheard that a lot of people fail
when they try to do that kind ofstuff that you're trying to do.
I don't know, you know oh, youwant to lose weight, yeah man,
you know, hey, you know thestatistics about people who lose
weight.
They all gain it back and youknow, like that kind of a thing
where?
Speaker 1 (57:57):
yeah, sorry, no, that that was it, I was just
reminded of that, you become theaverage of the five people you
spend the most time with.
Yes, you are around more of thenot depressive or discouraged
or demotivated people.
That's going to influence you.
Yeah.
And, I think, external factors.
(58:17):
You mentioned the tired topicof COVID.
Yeah.
Just all of the new normals andpeople not yet having a habit,
have good habits in place ofthat or a lay of the land and
know what to expect.
Yeah.
That can be demotivating frompeople.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (58:38):
And I think I think also that has to do with how you
react to people.
I think some people are moreprone to taking Like well as an
example, like I know that thereare people in my life that I
know of that if somebody tellsthem they can't do something,
they're going to prove, they'regoing to go out and immediately
go do that to prove that personwrong.
(59:00):
And there are other people thatsomebody says you can't do
something and that their answeris okay, you're right, I can't
do that, and they just don't doit.
And so it obviously thispersonality, how, who you are,
how you are but again in ournext episode, talking about what
we can combat this, obviouslythat place plays a big role is
what is your personality Like?
(59:20):
How do you?
Are you somebody that does that?
And I've actually used that alittle bit as a motivating
factor for me of, but most ofthe time it's not other people
telling me that I can't dosomething because, honestly, I
have a very excellent supportsystem in that.
Most people in my life, I think, believe that I'm capable of
(59:40):
way more than I believe myselfto be capable of.
Speaker 1 (59:45):
Right, and so you have to do it to your strong
inner critic.
Speaker 3 (59:48):
Yes, and so here's what I do in terms of that.
You know what I'm answering, orwhat I'm trying to do is I tell
myself, when I hear my innervoice telling me you can't do
that or this is not going to begood, I actually answer back to
myself and say, okay, I'm goingto do it.
Then I'm going to prove youwrong.
I'm going to go do this rightnow, and part of it is the.
(01:00:09):
You know, I talked about yourlack of motivation bleeding into
other things.
Well, it works the other wayalso, and the fact that I've
been just going to the gym likethe quote unquote simple thing
of getting out of bed, puttingon some clothes, going to the
gym, working out and then goingback home, that has been
(01:00:30):
bleeding out into other thingsin my life is like, well, if I
can do that, then maybe I can dothis, and if I can do those two
things, then maybe I can dothat third thing.
Now that I'm doing these threethings, maybe I can do this
thing.
So I think we'll talk maybe alittle bit about that on our
next episode as well, justbecause I think that's.
I think a big factor of allthis is patience with yourself
(01:00:55):
and it's not a short term thingI think we've talked about or a
short term or I think we'vetalked about it before is doing
something small on a daily basisthat can grow into something
bigger, and I think that's.
You know, that's maybe wherewe'll leave it for today, I
guess, unless you have otherthings you want to talk about,
(01:01:16):
but maybe we can pick it upthere in the next episode.
Speaker 1 (01:01:22):
That pick it up there sounds good.
Speaker 3 (01:01:24):
If we're motivated, I mean if we, if we can find the
motivation to record anotherepisode.
Speaker 1 (01:01:28):
Let's just put it.
Let's just put it off to thenext one.
Speaker 3 (01:01:32):
All right, thanks people.
Looking forward to you hearingthe next one.
Bye.
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