February 15, 2024 • 61 mins
Savor a PB and J-Witch with me, Bryan, as we embark on an auditory adventure through the essence of time, tinged with the flavors of nostalgia and anticipation. This episode is a tapestry of tastes and thoughts, where I, alongside my friend Nick, venture from a childhood classic snack into the realm of time travel and sentiment. I even take my first sip of Cheerwine, a fizzy reminder that our simplest delights can serve as anchors to the present and portals to the past.
Our dialogue meanders through the subjectivity of time, examining how emotions and physical experiences mold its perception. Imagine watching a live event unfold, yet it feels different depending on your time zone—the relativity of time at play. We share stories; I tell you about approaching the age my father was when he passed and how it shapes my daily countdown. Our conversation unearths the profound impact of psychological constructs on the way we navigate life's routines and the distortion of time during heightened states like driving.
As our cup overflows with curiosity, we probe the connection between fear and the stretching of time, inspired by scientific studies and the philosophies of authors like Eckhart Tolle. We dissect how the pursuit of new experiences can synchronize our subjective time with the vibrancy of life, making the case for embracing change and self-improvement. And, as a parting gift, we tease the brain-tickling topic of our next bonus episode on time travel. Prepare to have your thoughts on PB and J—and time itself—forever altered.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome to Help Yourself.
Food and Philosophy with Brianand Nick.
I'm Nick and I'm Brian.
Time keeps on slipping,slipping, slipping into the
future.
What's you eating, brian?
Speaker 2 (00:19):
I suppose so yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
I mean, that's how I see it.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Yeah, I think that sometimes it's a little bit
scary when music lyrics arespoken.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
It's like yeah, anyway, it's like we all live in
a yellow submarine.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Yes, I don't, I can't .
Anyway, all right, what am Ieating?
Please eat.
Don't break my brain this earlyin the podcast.
What am I eating?
I am.
I'm actually having a snack forlunch just because I'm going to
on this redacted day of theweek.
(01:00):
I'm going to go eat some otherstuff later, so I was trying to
not eat so much in the morningand I think I may have talked
about these in the past, butthere's a local company here in
Middle Tennessee called Reds andthey for a long time they do
frozen burritos, but theingredients are really good.
(01:23):
They're a little bit more yeah,a little bit more pricey than
like the average frozen burrito.
So maybe like $2.50, somethinglike that for a burrito, and
which isn't terrible if you'retalking about a quick way to eat
a breakfast or lunch.
But they apparently have beenexpanding and they expanded into
a these little frozen almostlike uncrustables.
(01:45):
So it's a PB and J-Witch and itcomes on a little bun and it's
frozen and you basically justtake it out of the freezer and
you just let it sit there untilit thaws and then you eat it,
and so you don't have to heat itup or do anything and it's
(02:07):
really really, really small,though it's like I feel like I'm
eating like a child's meal andeven though the calories are
pretty good, it's like 210calories for this little tiny
sandwich, because of the peanutbutter, I'm sure.
But they turn out really well,the peanut butter is very very
calorie dense.
The jelly is not super caloriedense, but the peanut butter.
(02:27):
Like a tablespoon of peanutbutter is like 50 or 60 calories
.
Yeah, no, it's a lot, I meanfor two tablespoons.
It's usually 100 plus caloriesfor just the peanut butter.
But they do these.
They basically try to keep theingredients good in terms of
(02:47):
like no artificial flavors orcolors they have in here and so
ultimately, like I said, ittastes really good and it's also
really really easy.
That's the big thing is I'malso I'm crinkling the wrapper,
so if you can hear that, that'sme doing that.
But they're really good.
And the weird thing is forbefore I bought this, I bought a
(03:10):
pack of like four of them andthen I went back and bought
another pack.
These ones, this one'sstrawberry jam, but they have
grape jam as well, or grapejelly and or it's a jam.
So I went back and boughtanother box of the grape, which
I haven't tried yet, but Iforgot how much I like PB and J.
Like PB and J is like a.
(03:30):
It's a good little, like itdoes take you I would say most
people.
It probably takes you back tochildhood on some level.
So like it's a kid, it's like akid, it feels like you're a kid
, you know, like it's like itsown form of time travel.
It really does, because you'reand to some extent you hear
people all the time like I knowthere are adults who like PB and
(03:51):
J sandwiches, but then if youhear somebody who eats PB and J
sandwiches all the time as anadult, you're like what's, why
are you always eating PB and J?
You know, I'm not trying tojudge.
Are you trying to live in thepast?
No, I'm not trying to judge.
I'm fine with it, but I'm justsaying that there is an aspect
of that.
There's an aspect of like.
I feel like almost to theextent of like I'm not sharing
(04:14):
with a bunch of people.
Well, now that I'm saying onthe podcast, I guess I'm sharing
with, like you know, at leastanother 10 or 12 people that
listened.
So but but you know, I'm notsharing with like I wouldn't be
like what'd you have for lunch?
Oh man, I had this awesomepeanut butter and jelly sandwich
.
It was so good, dude, it waswhoo like.
You know, you just wouldn't belike.
(04:35):
It'd just be like yeah, I hadpeanut butter and jelly sandwich
.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
Please don't judge me .
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Yeah, exactly yeah.
That's exactly what I'm saying.
Don't judge me, but I just hada PB and J, you know.
But that's okay.
If you're out there, you havePB and J sandwiches.
I'm on board with it now.
So, so a good, a good little,like I said, good little sort of
snack.
Not a full meal, obviously, butit's something that I can
(05:04):
digest and it's easy.
Now, what am I drinking?
My typical water bottle.
I've got that with some waterin it.
Actually, it's a little bitlight on the water.
I hope I don't run out.
But the other thing I did is Idecided to try something that
I've been, I've heard about inthe past and I believe that it
(05:28):
is local to our area, or atleast the south.
Maybe I'm going to have to do aquick Google search while I'm
talking, because it doesn't sayit on the bottle.
But basically, that's what I'm,that's what I'm, so yeah you're
(05:49):
not multitasking.
well, I'm terrible atmultitasking, anyway, so it's
called cheer wine.
Have you heard of cheer wine?
Oh yeah, and I've heard ofother people talking about it,
but I've never tried it beforeand I decided to grab.
They have like four packs inthe glass bottles.
Now this is the cheer wine zerosugar, so this is no calories,
(06:12):
which is good, because I got tohopefully sample the flavor of
it without having to drink downa bottle full of sugar.
But as I look it up, it saysit's, I believe, out of North
Carolina.
Yeah, it's headquartered inNorth, their headquarters is in
North Carolina, and so, yeah, soit was created in North
(06:32):
Carolina.
Yeah, so it was sugar shortage,sugar shortage.
To the same, I guess to thesame thing that we have in
Tennessee.
Wasn't RC Cola Tennessee?
Is that is RC Cola Tennessee?
Am I wrong in that?
All right, Nick's going to go,I know there's RC.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
Cola at Moon Pies?
Yeah, I'll do it.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
I know Moon Pies is, but anyway.
So similar to wherever RC Colais from, we have cheer wine.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
I'm going to miss Georgia.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Georgia.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
And Nashville just claims everything from the South
, doesn't?
Speaker 2 (07:04):
it.
Try to, we try to say oh,that's from middle Tennessee, no
, but cheer wine.
We're like the uncle that makesup stories about stuff, just
random stuff.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
It looks like everyone thinks it's his idea.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Yeah, I invented the Post-it note.
Did I tell you that?
No?
So anyway, it's a cherryflavored beverage.
It's not cola flavored at all,so it's not cherry like Pepsi or
cherry Coke.
You know, it's actually acherry flavored beverage and and
(07:42):
it's actually pretty good.
It's like let me take anothersip and I'll see like it was.
Like I mean, it has a good, notlike it has a good, actual,
real cherry flavor.
Like, meaning like what acherry would actually not.
It doesn't taste as artificialI know it is, but it tastes like
(08:04):
they maybe put cherry juice init.
It doesn't have like cough syrup, right exactly.
Or like a maraschino cherry orsome kind of like manufactured
fake cherry flavoring.
It's a cherry.
Yeah, it tastes actually likethey took some, maybe used some
cherry juice in it or somethinglike that.
I'm sure that they did not.
There's no, probably zero fruitjuice at all in this thing, but
(08:25):
, but it's, it's good, and I'mactually looking at the
ingredients now to make surethat I'm not like not you know,
defaming them.
Yeah, I don't see any juice inhere, so, but it's really good
actually.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
It wasn't reading the label.
He was looking really closelyat the contents of the bottle
Right, exactly I'm like.
I don't see any.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
I don't see any juice , Weird, Okay.
So no, so it tastes really goodand I mean I'm not like a huge,
like a huge soda drinker oranything like that, but I do
every once in a while will likedifferent things.
I try not to drink the sugarversion of it, you know.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
But Brian, that's not a fair comparison.
You're not a huge soda drinkerbecause you've lost weight, so
you're sort of like a mediumsized, you know medium sized
soda drinker, I suppose you knowI will say that it has a
distinct, let me put it.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Let me put it this way it has a distinct flavor
that I've never tasted in anyother kind of cherry flavored
drink.
So at least for that aspectit's pretty cool because it's
like its own thing.
It's not like a oh yeah, it'sjust cherry flavoring or
whatever I'm sure it is.
But but it says since 19, wasit say.
(09:50):
On the bottle it says 1917.
So apparently it's been aroundfor a while.
Another podcast I listened to.
I'm pretty sure they're inFlorida, but every single time
he opens the podcast he talksabout that he's got his cup full
of cheer wine and so I think hedrinks the full sugar, full
sugar version of it.
But he's got his cheer wineready and he's.
(10:10):
He's had to explain to manytimes on the podcast that he's
not drinking actual wine, thatit's just a soft drink, because
other people are like what isthis cheer wine thing?
So, yeah, so that's all.
That's all.
I have a small slight Brian'sbeverage corner.
I know everyone's disappointed,especially you, Nick, but who's
(10:33):
who's unique.
Especially all the Unix that wehave in our audience.
They're all no, okay, doublephase palm, okay.
So what?
What do you?
What are you eating anddrinking?
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Dory made some excellent chicken breasts for me
.
It was made seasoned with TonyChauceries.
I know it's really.
His name is Proun, I'm prettysure I'm like two thirds right
there Tony Chauceries orChauceries, I think it's
Chauceries.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
Yeah, I know what you're talking about.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
It's the no salt version of their famous blend.
You know the Creole cuisineseasoning.
Yeah.
Paired with some additionalpaprika, as Dory likes to call
it.
I think most of us say paprika,though, so hopefully she hears
(11:36):
me make fun of her and she canhurt me later.
The, the.
The two chicken breasts werepaired with some additional
Southern comfort food turnipgreens cooked in classic butter
and we use, like the grass fedIrish butter.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Yeah, carry gold, and yes, that's it.
Yeah, yeah, and if you're, ifyou're going to eat butter, eat
some carry gold, man.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
Yeah, absolutely, and then also I had some
blueberries on the side.
On the side side like a littlebowl on a separate plate.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Blueberries are really, really good for you,
healthy, wise, and I was justlooking at a thing it's
anti-aging food, mmm Ah.
Antioxidants it's got.
I think it has some of those.
I think it has some of thosered Reservatrol or whatever the
red wine stuff, I think, I don'tknow, maybe, maybe.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
Okay, I'm also adding oxidants and I'm enjoying some
dark chocolate flips, darkchocolate covered pretzels, so
I'm getting plenty of sugar.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
So I just looked up pronunciation.
And it's Sash Sash, Sachery,Sachery, Tony, Sachery Sachery
that's Tony Sachery.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Yeah, the green green bottle.
I've got one at my house.
Our green shaker of it, right.
Mm-hmm yep.
Yeah, cajun seasoning.
It's really really good.
Creole, creole seasoning Is itCreole seasoning?
Why do I do that?
Speaker 1 (13:22):
every time yeah, you don't get the mix stuff, creole
seasoning.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
either way, it's really good.
Also, don't use too much of itbecause it does get pretty spicy
.
It can get pretty spicy if youeat too much of it.
I mean, if you, you know, yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
Isn't that anything that you get too much of?
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Well, I'm saying that in particular because it's it
seems like you can just put iton and you're sort of using it
like salt, but then you know,you put that, like you put that
on, and then all of a suddenyou're like whew, man, that got
a little spicy on me.
So if you don't, if you don'tintend to, then don't do it, got
it.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Yeah, pay attention.
Yeah.
So, yeah, I think that's thatchecks out In terms of beverage.
I've got my I want to say rusty, trusty, but it's not rusty at
all, thankfully.
Bottle glass, bottle of water.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
That'd be weird if it was rusty, rusty glass.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
Yeah, crystal clear, classy glass of bottled water,
rasty, glassy water, and that'sit in terms of beverage, I think
I've got.
Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Just water.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
Yeah, just water yeah .
Speaker 2 (14:51):
All right, hydration is important.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
Yeah, especially if you're going to talk out of your
, out of your butt.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
I don't think so.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
You can get chapped down there.
Yeah, need to hydrate.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
I suppose so, and that has nothing to do with our
topic at all.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
No, yeah, that's true , we should, we should, we
should look forward to our topic.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Yes, well, yeah, and in our last so long as we have
time in the last episode.
I mean I mean I mean somepeople would say we have all the
time in the world, other peoplewould say not, it just depends.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
I might have.
Well, even the time in theworld is finite.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
Is it?
I don't know Well, so yeah, thetopic today, building off of
what we talked about in our lastepisode, which is, which was
sort of the you know physics oftime, like you know, the the
physics, a little bit ofphilosophy of time.
A little bit, a little bit ofeverything a little bit of
(16:08):
French fries, a little bit of.
You know everything.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
The fries like a banana.
I think that's that's what wesaid, right?
Yeah, that's a good summation.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Also.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
The time flies like an arrow of French fries like a
banana.
French French fries like abanana.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
French fries.
So the yeah, so the basic youknow basic thing is sort of
leaning more towards into thepsychology of time, meaning our
perception of time, and we didtalk about this a little bit in
the last episode, where you know, we were talking about, in
essence, like our perception andour, you know, feeling of like
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time as a construct, right Timeas something that was set up,
and how do we measure it, andeverything else, and there's a
there's a couple of differentaspects to this part of the
discussion, but I think that'ssort of the you know the
summation of it is like how dowe as humans have a you know
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what's our relationship withtime?
Like what is our you knowunhealthy?
Yeah Well, it's amazing to methat something that is this is
already just jumping into thepool, but that something that is
just something we've made up,as you mentioned in the last
episode, is, to some extent, wemade up the system so that we
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could have some way ofcommunicating between each other
.
Like you and I, we decided thatwe were going to record this
podcast today and we said, hey,what time do you want to be
there?
Speaker 1 (17:43):
So we had, you know what time do you want to be
there?
Oh wait, never mind.
Go on, go on.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
So what time?
Yeah, what time?
I mean, what time are we goingto start?
How long is that?
You know all these things,right?
So, same thing as right now.
There's some, you know, there'ssporting events that are going
on today.
Those are all like, hey,they're happening at a certain
time, right, it's a differenttime if you live in on the West
coast of the United Statesversus the East coast of the
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United States.
That's a different, it's adifferent time.
But the game isn't starting ata different time, or is it?
I mean, the game is starting atthe time that it starts, right,
so you know.
So, basically, how, how do weget started?
How, all of that stuff, howdoes that?
You know?
How are we?
How are we dealing with that?
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As well?
As I think we talked a littlebit about the aging process, and
that plays into time too,because your, your actual
physical body, is finite, rightthere, at least, we haven't
found a way to make it so thatyour organs and everything else
can continue to work intoeternity, forever, you know, in
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perpetuity.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
So well, there's even some of that kind of another
aspect.
You talk about sporting eventsand the thing happens, when it
happens and our perception of it.
You could be at a baseball gamelike in person and be, watching
the game, but also have ahandheld radio of an announcer
giving the game verbally.
(19:16):
Yep.
And it's always delayed right.
Yep.
Like, if you're listening to, ifyou're watching a football game
live quote on TV, it's alwaysdelayed either because of just
the broadcast signal having toreach you through the internet
or cable or radio, whateverantenna, but then also because
(19:38):
of like for censoring purposesyeah processing like a throwing
in ads and things graphics andyou know yeah.
Yeah, yeah, you're not, you'renot getting it in true real time
.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
Right, but again, so it's.
So you're experienced.
You know you're experiencingthat like a few seconds after it
actually happens in real life.
But unless you have thatexperience, like you said,
you're listening to the audiobroadcast on the radio while
you're sitting in the stadium.
You never know that.
You never know that it'sdifferent.
If you're watching it at, youknow you're watching a game in
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Tennessee and it's going on inCalifornia.
You don't know if that'sactually happened or not.
You don't know.
The only thing you do know isthat it's always happening in
the past, unless you have somekind of special.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
But we never see it that way.
Right Like it feels live.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
Yes.
Yeah your perception of it, andso you know I don't know
exactly which way to like, whichdirection to go with this to
start, but you know I feel like,oh, go ahead.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
I think one way to kind of make bridge the gap is
that, yeah, from a physicsstandpoint, there's in time,
there's the theory of relativity.
But I think even in our brainthere's relativity right Because
, depending on our emotionalstate or our state of
consciousness, our perception oftime differs.
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Right.
Like time moves more slowly ormore quickly.
You know, in states of stress,like your life could flash
before your eyes and suddenlyyou're doing like this rapid
replay of your entire life.
Yeah.
Or time slows down and evenpeople's perception, not only of
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time, their perception of spacechanges.
Like people in car accidentswill talk about in the moment,
they somehow see themselves fromoutside the car and see it
flipping outside, not onlyoutside their body but outside
the vehicle.
Or then there's also, like theout of body experience, where
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people have definitely a changein state of consciousness and
not only is time stopped orseems to be going slowly, but
they're having an out of bodyexperience watching themselves
on the operating table.
Whether it's real or imagined issort of the big debate, and
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because of the difference inthose accounts, there's often so
many details that are missed orlost.
We suspect that it's a metaillusion, right?
Our concept of time, ourperception of time, is itself an
illusion, because of thingslike if the speed of light you
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know the speed of light isfaster than the speed of sound.
Yeah.
But our brains sync it up in itspost-processing, assuming that
there's not too great a distance.
So there's already kind of likethis illusion of synchronicity
in terms of all the differentinputs.
But then on top of that, whenyou're stressed and things, and
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the overload of emotions andchemicals, you end up perceiving
things even more illusory,where your memory is an
overdrive and you're reliving itwhat you've seen as best as you
can.
But it's all a blur and slow-mo, so you can maybe catch details
you might have missed, but it'sall kind of like slow-mo, you
(23:36):
know.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
Well, and I made the assertion in the last episode
that when you take away some ofthe constructs of time and my
example was like you go onvacation, so you, typically you
go on vacation, you're there torelax, you're taken out of your
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normal routines, so you're notmaybe going to the gym in the
morning, you don't have to be atwork or on something at a
certain time in the morning andyou're sort of not, you don't
have your day planned.
Basically, it's just, hey,we're here to have some R&R,
rest and relaxation andbasically, you know, time seems
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to move a little faster.
You're like man, is it alreadytwo o'clock in the afternoon?
Oh gosh, what happened?
Like time didn't move faster.
It's just you took away some ofthe construct that you normally
have and also I think you'reyou made you talked about in the
last one is like time is themeasure of change, right, and
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that's the same thing.
It's like you aren't noticingthe change very much because
you're not, you're just not intune to it.
You're in tune to hey, I don'tcare what time it is, right now
I'm going to read my book, I'mgoing to sit by the pool, I'm
going to whatever your, youractivity of choice is, and so
you're not paying attention tothe time.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
You get lost in the present moment.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Yes, You're just kind of riding on the stream which
is which is interesting that somany self-help things talk about
doing that exact thing in youreveryday life of just hey, you
need to live in the presentmoment.
You need to.
In fact, I'm right nowrereading one of my favorite
(25:23):
books, the how to Stop Worryingand Start Living, and the very
first part of that is DaleCarnegie.
But one of the very first partsof that book talks about living
in day-tight compartments, likedon't worry about what happened
, excuse me, don't regret orthink about what happened
yesterday.
Don't worry or anticipate aboutwhat's going to happen tomorrow
(25:43):
.
Do whatever you can.
And he comes up with a bunch ofin fact, I think I would love
to do an episode at some pointon that book.
I think I've told you thatbefore but he comes up with
really, really practical waysthat, in essence, if you really
boil it down, are all ways tosomewhat manipulate time.
There's some way to sort of say,like you know, because some of
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the worry comes with I got toget this thing done by this time
, by this point, by this, someof the worry comes from that,
and so a lot of them are yeah,you need to get yourself out of
that.
You need to.
Just what can you do right now,like right now, not what bad
things are going to happentomorrow, but what can you do
(26:29):
right now to make sure that badthing doesn't happen.
So I think we talked about thatlast month too and our last
episodes and last month'sepisodes is just sort of talking
about you know, basically, likeI said, what can you do right
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now to fix a problem, like,except the worst case scenario
that's going to happen?
And then what can you do to fixa problem so which is taking
your, it's taking yourself outof you know the mind of I don't
know what he's doing.
I wasn't supposed to comment onthat.
(27:10):
Taking a picture of me.
No, okay, well, it's okay.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
Tell you to see what I see.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
You're fine, you're good.
So, anyway, I find that that'sinteresting because Because to
me, it doesn't matter to likethe time on the clock or the
time in your life or anythinglike that.
What matters is how are youdealing with that?
How do you process that andthat's what we're talking about
here is the psychological.
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How are you processing the timethat seems to be going by if
you think of it in a linear way.
And some people are processingit like and I fall into this
trap too is, like I've saidbefore, like my father passed
away really young, and myattitude is always like, wow,
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I'm like hurling towards thetime when my father passed away,
the age at which my father died, right, and so in my head I'm
almost like on a clock of like,well, that's like at that age
I'm gonna basically be, you know, that's it, like that's the end
of it right.
And that's just something that Ihave made up in my head.
(28:20):
It's a psychological, you know,issue that I have of a
perception, because am I gonnadie at exactly the same age my
dad died at?
I don't know.
I might, but I also might not.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
So Well, you lived a different life with different
genes.
Yes, similar genes, perhaps asimilar life, but you're making
different choices, in partinformed by the choices you
observed him making.
Right.
So you have a different hand.
You were dealt.
Please, please, don't create aself fulfilling prophecy in your
(28:55):
head that your dreams to dieyoung, you know.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
Well, that's what I mean.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
That's Because psychosomatic stuff is real, of
course.
Just by Like you don't have totake a sugar pill, you can make
the gesture of popping a pill inyour mouth and your headache
will go away for a little while.
Because you've got, because ofanticipation and so forth, you
(29:23):
can.
Another illusion of the brainright Is the rubber hand
experiment.
Oh gosh.
Right.
People will Like you can set upmirrors and sensations such
that some will smash a rubberhand with a mallet and somebody
will like jerk back because theythink it's their hand Right.
But anyway, back to what you'resaying.
(29:47):
How much time do I have leftthinking about your time on this
mortal realm as limited Rightand you don't really know when
it ends?
Right.
Is a valid point.
There's like a.
There's a comedian I like a lotI forget his name right now.
(30:08):
I'll have to look him up forthis but he's short and people
will hurt his feelings withouteven realizing it because he's
like how short are you?
And he's like you measurethings by how much.
There is not, how much is left,or how.
You don't say you ask someonehow old they are, you don't ask
(30:29):
them how much time you got left.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
How much?
Speaker 1 (30:31):
time, do you?
So yeah, it's like yeah, wellyeah.
I want to hear more.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
No, I just was thinking too that it's
interesting.
So the fact that in certaininstances, like you were talking
about the life flashing beforeyour eyes or and I'm sure
everyone's had those experiencesof Usually it's something like
(31:06):
that, like, oh my gosh, I'mabout to break my arm.
You know, it's like I fell offmy motorcycle or whatever in,
and so it's.
You know, everything sort oftime slows down, but does time
really slow down?
Like somebody perceiving thatfrom the outside, like if you
see a race car crash into thewall, you just see the race car
(31:26):
drive and it crashes into thewall, but I'm sure the
perception of that driver in therace car is different than
yours.
So, which is crazy, I mean.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
Yeah, it's subjective .
Well, when time going faster inits own way feels slower, yeah.
Yeah, you lose time.
You blink and it's gone.
It's like you froze and theworld kept going, or you fell
asleep and you just woke up.
(31:59):
You blink and it's gone.
You know like.
Yeah.
There was that one gap and thatlapse.
I think they said that ifyou're traveling at typical
speeds and while you're drivingyou blink, you lost five meters.
Yes, I saw a thing recently.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
That's crazy.
I saw a thing recently that wasit was actually talking about
Because blinking would be anormal thing you have to blink
when you're driving but one ofthe things it did is it was a.
So the video.
If you look at it, the pictureis through the windshield.
And then it was every timesomeone looked at their phone it
(32:40):
went black.
So it literally blacked thevideo out of the thing and then
it came back on and it blackedthe video out and it came back
on.
So they were saying, like theaverage person might pick up
their phone, look at it for twoto three seconds, right, like
read a text message, do whatever, change the song, and it was
showing you how, at a certainspeeds, how much distance your
(33:02):
car is traveling.
In three seconds, basicallyRight, and you don't think of it
because in your car you think,hey, you're insulated from it to
some extent.
And I will say even theperception of time, like when I
got my more recent car, it feelsdifferent driving in a car
that's higher up than it does acar that's lower to the ground.
(33:24):
So you have, like a Lamborghinior some kind of, you know, very
sporty car.
Your perception of that speed,like driving 60 miles an hour in
a Lamborghini feels a lotdifferent than driving 60 miles
an hour in a big rig truck.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
Well, because you're lower to the ground, Right.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
So your perception you know, is that I'm going
faster, but you're going thesame speed.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
I think that might have something to do with the
general relativity we talkedabout before as well as our
psychology Right.
Right, but it's true.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
You're right, but it's also like I said going back
to it, the craziest thing to meis the fact that we're all
trying to have some kind ofconsistent measure of time by
like having clocks and Imentioned atomic clocks and you
blew my mind by saying atomicclocks don't, aren't even
accurate and all these otherthings Right.
(34:18):
But we have this thing thatwe're like trying to keep
consistent and we all are also,at the same time, agreeing that
it's inconsistent, dependingupon things, because of the
perception.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
And that's all the more reason why we had to have
it, create an objective measure,because I mean, I've, I've, I
hope not because I hate people,but I think it's just an
important skill and an importantexperience for all humans.
I hope everyone has a chance toget into some kind of customer
service, because there'sinvariably that moment that
(34:56):
everybody who's at least oncewhen you're working customer
service, where it's like Ihaven't been waiting 37 minutes
to get off of hold and talk tosomebody, I've waited three
weeks for my order to come inand you go and look at the
documentation and it's beenseven days, or it's been two
hours, or you know.
And it's because of thatdichotomy, that dilution of
(35:22):
perception of time, it's like ifyou're, if you're actively
waiting, time feels like it moreis happening than it is.
And the opposite is true, right?
The reason that there's holdmusic when you're on hold is
because it's something to keepyour mind occupied.
Speaker 3 (35:41):
It makes the time pass Not overestimating how much
time is passing.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
Similarly, there's a lot of ills that we could talk
about.
This might be a whole othersubject of you know, the
prevalence of smartphone use.
One of the things the silverlining is that people are
extraordinarily more patient nowin drive-thrus and checkout
lines or any kind of queuing,because they can just sit in the
(36:07):
waiting room and doom, scrollFacebook feeds or whatever you
know, catch up on YouTube videosor whatever it is they want to
do.
They're occupied.
Yeah.
And now 12 minutes feels liketwo minutes.
I believe that yeah.
Hold on, let me finish thisvideo.
Yeah.
Before they go to the doc, getup from the waiting room.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
No, and I believe that.
I believe that that's one ofthe reasons why airplanes,
airlines now are like.
That's why they provide, or whythey want you to have Wi-Fi on
there, because they know ifyou're on a five hour flight and
you get and you can, who could?
They don't care if you're doomschooling, you're just.
That means you're entertained.
It's treating you like a littlebaby, yeah basically, it's
(36:51):
literally hey.
I have this baby, this group ofbabies that I'm going to shove
into a metal tube and we'regoing to fly for six hours and
if they don't have something toentertain themselves and pass
the time, then they're going toget whiny.
And they're going to be whinybabies about it.
Right, and I'm not.
Hey, I'm not excluding myselffrom that.
It literally, if I had nothingto do in a plane for five hours,
(37:12):
I probably would get whiny likehey, give me something to eat.
Hey, do you have something Ican drink?
Hey, maybe I'm going to get upand go to the bathroom, because
I have to go to the bathroom,because it's something that I
can do to pass like threeminutes of this flight or
whatever.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
Sure, but you, yeah, and you talking about past the
time latches on to my I guessbrief fascination with how we
talk about time and how it hasspatial elements to it.
Right, like, how do you?
You don't pass the time likeyou pass a football right.
(37:45):
Right or or skip it.
We're basically kind of likeskipping the time you know, but
then there's like time got awayfrom me.
Yes, Like are you holding on toit, or you lost track of time,
like so it's on, it's on atrajectory, like it's on a track
at a given speed.
Yeah, looking forward to it,like it's it's in front of you,
(38:09):
literally, yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
Well, and so that's a big potential.
Speaker 1 (38:16):
But coming back of passing the time, as you said,
we can get back to the passingtime.
Well, and so?
Speaker 2 (38:21):
this is probably another deeper thing.
This goes not deeper, but itgoes more into our self-help
aspect of it.
It's funny to me that we spend alot of time during our lifetime
trying to figure out a way topass time, like make things that
go faster.
Just, to some extent, make timego faster.
(38:42):
When you're doing somethingthat's a task that is boring,
you're like gosh, I just want toget through this, I just want
to get through this.
And you just like something.
So like when I'm mowing thelawn, I listen to a podcast or I
listen to music, because it'slike I'm doing this thing I
don't really want to do andwe've talked about that like
pairing something that you don'tlike to do with something you
do like to do, or at least apleasurable with a
non-pleasurable thing, right.
But it's funny to me that wespend time and I just looked it
(39:05):
up like so, average days in alifetime, if you live till
you're 79, is 28,835 days, right.
And we spend some portion ofthat time trying to like speed
time along, like trying to like,in essence, like I don't want
to say waste time, but manypeople would say waste.
You're literally, you have afinite amount of time on this
(39:27):
plane, whatever this plane is toyou, and you're, and then many
times you're like, yeah, justget through this part, just get
through it.
It's like we have a fastforward button and going back to
the like babies on a planething, it's like we have a fast
forward button.
We're like fast forward throughthis part.
It's boring, just fast forward.
Can we just fast forwardthrough this part?
Okay, oh, play that part.
That part sounds good.
(39:47):
Yeah, I like that.
You know it's, it's a.
Conceptually it's just veryinteresting to me just because
it's it doesn't seem to go toget like.
It doesn't seem to.
You know, it seems like if youknew that, like it seems like if
you were, and there have beenconcepts like that.
There are books that arewritten like hey, how do you
make the most out of every day?
How do you, you know,considering that you don't know,
(40:10):
if you have 79 years that'sjust sort of the average of what
we're talking about you couldlive considerably longer than
that.
I have more days.
Or you could consider reallylive considerably less than that
, just like I was talking about.
My father, you know, lived wayless than that.
So, knowing that you don't knowhow much you time, how much
time you have, it's funny thatyou're like, on some level,
(40:31):
throw this time away, like thisis all throw away time.
It's just sort of like, eh, youknow and I don't know what point
I'm trying to make with that,just that it's an interesting
concept to know that.
Well, I guess the point I'mtrying to make is with regard to
, like, self-help and withregard to that aspect of it,
maybe you should try not to dothat, you know, maybe you should
(40:53):
try to, and again, andultimately, what this means is
going back to what we go back toall the time, in this subject
at least, is it has an aspect ofliving in the present moment is
because fast forwarding time islet me just not pay attention
to this time right now, like,let me do something to distract
me from this time so that itgoes faster.
(41:15):
So you're literally like notliving in the present moment for
a set, for a little while, likeyou're, you're trying to not
pay attention to what'shappening right now, and many,
many self-help things andspiritual people are like no,
you need to like, always payattention to the like, always,
take it in.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
You're always and yeah, and some of the best, most
fascinating conversations I'vehad.
Most memorable conversationsI've had have been on a plane.
Yes.
It's just the strangers sittingnext to me, you know.
Yeah.
Learning about different.
You know advancements or waysof living and being or jobs and
(41:53):
just things I wouldn't ever hearabout before or seek out, or
even know to seek out right.
And I think too that you talkabout distracting and you know
trying to skip it and not be inthe present moment.
Or you know wasting time, notknowing which time we have.
(42:13):
I think some of that has to dowith what our objectives are.
Yes.
Like, if our goal is to getthrough our watch later list on
YouTube, then it's not a wasteof time to turn on Wi-Fi in the
plane.
You know that's what we reallywant to accomplish, and then
again, like there's you coveredso much.
(42:36):
I don't know that I canremember.
Speaker 2 (42:37):
Yeah, I'm sorry I went.
I went on a tear there for asecond.
Speaker 1 (42:40):
You're good though it's, you get to speak to Brian.
This is your podcast too, soit's okay it's, but yeah, I
think whether something's awaste of time or not has a lot
to do with your objectives, andwhat do?
You achieve.
I think, too, there are otherstates of consciousness that
(43:02):
affect our perception of timethat we do seek out.
I'm thinking of, like the flowstate, where it's like time
seems to stand still.
Yeah.
You're in sort of the zone thezen and things just sort of
happen effortlessly.
(43:22):
You're right, yeah, thatbetween place of familiarity and
foreign.
It's like you know.
I know I know how to do most ofthis, but some of this is new
and interesting and I think Ican do it.
I'm going to see, I want to, Iwant to learn, I want to try.
Right.
And it's working.
You know it's like you'regetting to the next level and
(43:42):
you can feel it, but is it is inthat moment?
Is time?
Is time going faster?
Is it slowing down?
Right.
Like, if you lose track of time, is it?
How do you?
I think it's more.
Time has passed.
Speaker 2 (43:59):
That's the stupid part about it.
I think it's both.
Speaker 1 (44:02):
Yeah, Because objectively more time has passed
than you've perceived, right?
So time flew by.
Yeah.
Like you.
You didn't see, like it's likea ball going by really fast,
yeah, and so by.
I think another thing that'srelated to a perception of time
and it's all animals is,generally speaking, the larger
(44:25):
an animal is, the slower theperception of time, and the
smaller an animal is, the faster.
Speaker 2 (44:33):
Really.
Speaker 1 (44:33):
Or the faster they can process time Got it.
Okay, there's also the aspectof predation, which is also
related to their size.
So like elephants see timereally slowly, like they'll see
a leopard.
Speaker 2 (44:48):
When you say predation, are you talking about
, like, having predators?
Is that, am I?
Speaker 1 (44:52):
Yes, yeah, be whether how, where they are on the food
train, yeah.
Speaker 2 (44:56):
Food train yeah.
Food train.
I'm in the caboose.
Speaker 1 (45:01):
I'm in the caboose of the food train, eating it all.
Oh, oh, oh oh, that's shittyOkay.
Speaker 2 (45:10):
All right Explicit explicit notification.
Speaker 1 (45:12):
I'll put the.
Speaker 2 (45:13):
R and no.
No, we get like one of those.
We get like one.
Yeah, it's, there'd be a PG 13.
Speaker 1 (45:19):
You can.
They've moved the goalpostthere.
I think you can use the F bombnow and still be PG 13.
Yeah, at any rate, though, likeelephants, they might see a
leopard on the right side oftheir field of vision, and then
they, without even blinking,they'll just see it on the left
side of their field of vision.
Yeah.
Because they don't care.
Like the leopard isn't going togo for them.
(45:41):
Right.
So they never really had toadapt or develop a faster
refresh rate.
Speaker 2 (45:48):
Right.
Speaker 1 (45:49):
But, like you know, squirrels and what is it?
Bunnies have a much higher,faster refresh rate.
Yeah.
You know, flies have a shorterlifespan, but they they have
really quick reflexes.
Yes.
Speaker 2 (46:06):
Well, it's interesting to me because one of
the things I just was reading,actually while we were going
through this, is one of thearticles part of one of the
articles that I had talked about, and it talks about the aspect
of fear and it says fear is themost intensively examined in
studies of time judgment.
So there's two things with that.
(46:27):
One is going back to my sort ofdiscussion about self-help.
Many of the self-help thingsare saying hey, you need to
eliminate.
Look, worry the stop.
Worrying is the same thing.
It's fear, worries just fear.
Right, it's just, it'sdifferent.
I mean, it's slightly differentbut you're you're scared or
something Like I'm worried, thisis going to happen, I'm fearful
(46:48):
this is going to happen, right,and so it was interesting.
The reason I was going to bringit up is because this because I
always am fascinated by howscientists measure things like
this, where it's like yeah, buthow do you just?
How can you measure, like, whatis the actual experiment?
Just tell me what the actual.
And that's always fascinatingto me because I would never have
thought about how to do it.
And then you think, oh, it's sosimple and clever.
So this person did a speechwhere they I mean a speech,
(47:13):
excuse me a an experiment wherethey strapped a they call it a
chronometric device to the toeach of the participants' wrists
and then they had them ride anamusement park ride that had a
15 story drop in it.
Okay, and when asked afterwards,you know cause that could
actually measure the time of thedrop.
(47:35):
When asked afterwards, most ofthe individuals overestimated
the duration of the fall, whichmeans what time is slowing down
right, so it's stretching outright.
And they are saying, yeah, thisis because it's a fear, like
your body is biologicallyfearful of falling right, cause
you're going to die or could die, and and so that's.
(47:57):
I think that gets to somethingsort of powerful with time.
The perception of time is maybeif you can eliminate some of
your fears, eliminate some ofyour worries, then your
perception of time becomes morein line with what the actual
passing of time is, not yourperception of it, because that's
what this is saying.
It's basically saying the realtime, the actual time of the
(48:19):
drop.
They said no, theyoverestimated it.
So if you're sad, if you'redepressed, if you're fearful, if
you have negative emotions Iwill say I'll just broaden it
out to negative emotions thepassage of time is perceived
like oh my gosh, I'm in thisliving hell, like you've heard
people say.
Oh man, I'm just like in thisliving hell where I got a good
up and I got to go to work everyday and I got to do this and I
got out of the.
So it's sick of all this andit's going so slow and I just
(48:43):
like, is this all there is, andmidlife crisis and all this
stuff?
And in terms of self-help, youcan use that to your advantage
and say, okay, how do I, how doI make it so that?
Speaker 1 (48:55):
it's like like Groundhog Day, right, you can
use the monotony to youradvantage.
Speaker 2 (49:00):
Yes, yeah, and sometimes I wish that that's one
of my favorite Twilight Zoneepisodes is the guy who has the
stopwatch and he can stop.
He clicks the stopwatch and therest of the world stops.
He's the only person that cankeep going, so he gets to stop
time for the rest of the world.
His perception of time is his.
His time keeps going, buteveryone else is on pause, right
(49:22):
, and I think they probably Ithink I think Adam Sandler did a
movie that remote control later.
Speaker 1 (49:26):
that was similar to that Right Like yeah, click,
that's right, and some of thatis too Fast forwarding like it.
I meant to mention that earlierwhen you were talking about
trying to skip it, and we keeplooking at things as a
distraction and stuff andthere's some pretty good implied
morals to that story.
(49:47):
It's a little hokey, but it'sgot Christopher walking in it,
so it's great.
Speaker 2 (49:56):
Well.
So my point is I guess what'sreally interesting about that is
I'm always looking for the.
What's the common thread, whatflows through all of these
things we're talking about?
And that's one of those thingsis connecting yourself with the.
I mean, let me stop.
(50:17):
And I'll say, sometimes whenyou read a book and it's like,
hey, you should be more in thepresent, and I think I'm trying
to remember who the person wasthat wrote the.
Was it Deepak Chopra that wrotethe book of like the here and
the now, or something like that?
Speaker 1 (50:33):
It was within the last 15, 20 years.
Speaker 2 (50:36):
Eckhart Tolle.
Eckhart Tolle yeah, I'm prettysure.
And so sometimes when you heara concept like that, you're like
, oh okay, yeah, that soundsgood.
And you read about it andyou're like, but then
practically like you know howcan we boil that down?
So it's like something I canunderstand and I can understand.
Try to take away, you know, tryto control your emotions,
(50:59):
because your emotions play intothe passage of time, and one of
those emotions is fear or worryor negativity, kind of things.
And then also, if you go andlook on the other side of that
is you know what we were talkingabout a minute ago it's like
you go on vacation andtheoretically you have, you're
having more positive emotions,you're having more like to some
(51:21):
extent hedonistic, likepleasurable experiences.
Right, the time seems to youknow, the time seems to go
faster than you thought.
You know where.
It's like man, it's already mylast day of vacation and I'm
already and I can't believe itwent that fast you know.
So you know, I just thinkboiling it down like that helps
(51:44):
people sometimes, at least ithelps me.
Speaker 1 (51:48):
Well, I think there's overlap to coming to the
self-help aspect in personalpsychology and stuff would be.
There's sort of this ownrelativity.
We talked in the previousepisode how if the closer
someone's moving to the at thespeed of light, the, and they
make like a quarter year longvoyage, or they only age a year,
(52:12):
but by the time they get backto earth, when else is age
hundreds of years right orbasically died and there's a
whole new generation and so onand so forth.
I think there's a parallelthere to personal development,
where the faster you're moving,the faster you're growing.
You are changing with thechange, you're moving with the
(52:35):
world, with the times.
Yeah.
And the more stuck you are infear, the more stable you are.
Yeah.
The more just aging, you'rejust decaying.
You know, like in ShawshankRedemption, you can either get
busy living or you can get busydying.
And what keeps you know?
What do they say about you know?
Staying young, you know, andkeeping brain activity.
(52:59):
It's giving yourself newpuzzles, new challenges, just
trying different things.
Right, yeah, being a nearconstant state of development as
opposed to a near constantstate of atrophy.
Stability is just waiting forcrumbling to happen, waiting for
(53:22):
entropy and decay, which is theopposite of life.
Living is the art of change andadapting to change.
Speaker 2 (53:32):
That's the title, by the way, of your book that
you're going to write is Changewith the Change, oh, and then
either that or it's going to bespeed up to slow down.
Speaker 1 (53:46):
I might have to first write speed or slow down to
speed up.
But yeah, yeah, both are true.
Speaker 2 (53:53):
Well, hey, it's, hey, you know what Good for you
thinking about the.
You know the second book thatyou're going to write before
you've written you've talkedabout the first.
You're like, when I do this, mysixth book is going to be
called Revenge of the Sixth.
Well, so well, and there was,yeah, the only other thing I was
(54:16):
going to talk about in this,just really briefly, because I
know we're running up on ourtime is biological aspects of
time, and I think I talked abouta little bit.
Like you're, you know you'reaging and everything else, but
it's interesting that your bodykeeps time.
You know your actual you know,and some and it's different for
each person, you know, you eversee the people that are.
They don't look their age, sothey're you know, hey, that
(54:39):
person's 80 years old.
It's like man, that person doesnot look 80 years old.
And then you see somebody who's65 and you're like, oh, they're
probably in their 90s andthey're like, no, they're 65,
you know, they smoked a lot.
Yeah.
Yeah, and but either way, I meaneven that, like there are
certain biological things thathappen, as I mentioned before,
we were recording, like you know, like women go through
menopause and that just happens,it doesn't.
(55:01):
At a certain time their bodyreduces and expands and does
different hormones that create,you know, menopause, that
happens right and there'sthere's, that's the cyclical
aspect of time, biologically,where it's, like, you know,
everyone goes through quotepuberty, everyone goes through.
(55:21):
Yeah.
But, your, but your body.
I guess my point is, at least inmy mind your body is perceiving
time, biologically isperceiving time, but you're not
thinking about that, you're not.
It's it has some internal clockthat is going and at a certain
time it's like yeah, this is,these are the things that cause
these biological aspects tohappen, and again.
(55:43):
That's why you can't say at age50, everyone goes through
menopause is like no, some womengo through early menopause,
some some women are later.
You know things like that.
Well, yeah cause it's.
Speaker 1 (55:52):
It's not.
It's not a process that goes bythe clock it goes.
It's a process that goes byreactions and the rate of decay
and how you can accelerate orslow down that rate.
Yeah Right, like yeah.
Well and so it's more of areaction to events than it is to
a clock.
Speaker 2 (56:11):
So one other experiment that I'll bring up
because in my, in the same thingas I just said, I'm fascinated
by different types ofexperiments Cause somebody was
trying to and this does plays alittle bit into our time thing
but they were trying to figureout if bees could tell time, and
so they did an experiment wherethey put out, like a certain
kind of food or something thatthe boot, the bees, would come
(56:32):
to, and they did it at the sametime every day and the bees
would come, and then theystopped putting it out and the
bees came out at the same time,and then people are like well,
wait, how do you know?
They're not just like readingthe sunlight or the.
You know, like the, you knowthat it's not that they actually
know what time it is.
Speaker 1 (56:51):
Well, that's how we tell time.
Speaker 2 (56:53):
Right?
No, I know Right.
Speaker 1 (56:56):
Like we have some kind of measure, like we're like
oh you know, food comes out atnoon every day.
Sure, we look at her watch andthat noon is based off of where
the sun was.
Sure, sun is.
Speaker 2 (57:06):
Oh, but so, but then, they were like yeah, but
they're but they're actually.
They were asking that theycould actually tell time Like
they actually knew.
Speaker 1 (57:13):
Like they had an internal clock Right, exactly,
not that.
Speaker 2 (57:16):
So they were saying, oh, they're just reading that,
they're giving an explanation.
They're saying, hey, they werereading the sun, that's how
they're telling that.
That's how they're telling thatthe food's going to be out
there, not that they know thatit's 10 am, right.
So then they did it.
So then they did it in the dark, without any time aspect, and
the bees came out at the sametime, and they so.
Then people said, yeah, but howdo you know that there's not
(57:38):
some kind of like theyunderstand?
You know the gravitational pullor some kind of thing that we
don't know.
You know just some kind ofperception that we don't know
that they did.
So then, what they did was they?
They flew the bees from Europeto the United States, and the
bees came out at the time thatit would be 10 am in Europe, not
(58:00):
10 am in the United States,because, basically they, they
knew that that was the sameexact time, that and I'm
probably like butchering it, butbasically the way that the
experiment, you know went.
Is that they?
You know they basically.
So basically the bees were likejet lagged, you know the bees.
The bees were like yeah it'stime to eat, you know, and so
(58:24):
anyway, look it up if you wantto see whether I was wrong, and
right in my in the way that Isummarize that experiment.
Anyway, okay, but.
Speaker 1 (58:37):
I think.
I think jet lag is a goodexample, though, of how we have
an internal clock.
Yes.
Right, like biologically, wehave a sense of time.
Yeah, I think it's.
Even our concept of time is atthe neurological level, the
neurons.
Speaker 2 (58:54):
So would we get jet lag if we didn't have, if we
didn't have clocks, like if wejust said, hey, we never made
that discovery, and we just said, hey, we're going to fly from
New York to Paris, would westill get jet lag?
Speaker 1 (59:08):
I think so.
I don't know.
I think that plays into quoterelativity too, and, like it
turns, it's almost like a weirdcognitive dissonance, right,
because we feel, like parts ofus feel like it's the time of
day, it would be, wherever wecame from, we're also receiving
the signals that it's later inthe day because the sun is at a
(59:30):
different place or whatever, andso there's that disconnect and
we have to sort of recalibrateand get everything realigned.
Speaker 2 (59:39):
Yeah, I'd like to see if there's experiments like
with.
Like I said, it's just for me,I don't know, it's weird.
Anyway, by no means am I ascientist.
So there's that.
By no means at all.
No means no, and so all right,we've killed the subject
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somewhat, and come back with uson the next episode.
We're going to be talking abouttime travel Bonus episode.
So bonus?
Oh yeah, that is bonus.
Happy Valentine's Day toeveryone for the bonus episode.
See you guys, talk to you guyslater.
See you and talk to you guyslater.
(01:00:26):
I won't see you later, I'lltalk to you later, bye, bye.
Welcome to Help Yourself.
Food and Philosophy with Brianand Nick.
I'm Nick and I'm Brian.
Time keeps on slipping,slipping, slipping into the
future.
What's you eating, brian?
Speaker 2 (00:19):
I suppose so yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
I mean, that's how I see it.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Yeah, I think that sometimes it's a little bit
scary when music lyrics arespoken.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
It's like yeah, anyway, it's like we all live in
a yellow submarine.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Yes, I don't, I can't .
Anyway, all right, what am Ieating?
Please eat.
Don't break my brain this earlyin the podcast.
What am I eating?
I am.
I'm actually having a snack forlunch just because I'm going to
on this redacted day of theweek.
(01:00):
I'm going to go eat some otherstuff later, so I was trying to
not eat so much in the morningand I think I may have talked
about these in the past, butthere's a local company here in
Middle Tennessee called Reds andthey for a long time they do
frozen burritos, but theingredients are really good.
(01:23):
They're a little bit more yeah,a little bit more pricey than
like the average frozen burrito.
So maybe like $2.50, somethinglike that for a burrito, and
which isn't terrible if you'retalking about a quick way to eat
a breakfast or lunch.
But they apparently have beenexpanding and they expanded into
a these little frozen almostlike uncrustables.
(01:45):
So it's a PB and J-Witch and itcomes on a little bun and it's
frozen and you basically justtake it out of the freezer and
you just let it sit there untilit thaws and then you eat it,
and so you don't have to heat itup or do anything and it's
(02:07):
really really, really small,though it's like I feel like I'm
eating like a child's meal andeven though the calories are
pretty good, it's like 210calories for this little tiny
sandwich, because of the peanutbutter, I'm sure.
But they turn out really well,the peanut butter is very very
calorie dense.
The jelly is not super caloriedense, but the peanut butter.
(02:27):
Like a tablespoon of peanutbutter is like 50 or 60 calories
.
Yeah, no, it's a lot, I meanfor two tablespoons.
It's usually 100 plus caloriesfor just the peanut butter.
But they do these.
They basically try to keep theingredients good in terms of
(02:47):
like no artificial flavors orcolors they have in here and so
ultimately, like I said, ittastes really good and it's also
really really easy.
That's the big thing is I'malso I'm crinkling the wrapper,
so if you can hear that, that'sme doing that.
But they're really good.
And the weird thing is forbefore I bought this, I bought a
(03:10):
pack of like four of them andthen I went back and bought
another pack.
These ones, this one'sstrawberry jam, but they have
grape jam as well, or grapejelly and or it's a jam.
So I went back and boughtanother box of the grape, which
I haven't tried yet, but Iforgot how much I like PB and J.
Like PB and J is like a.
(03:30):
It's a good little, like itdoes take you I would say most
people.
It probably takes you back tochildhood on some level.
So like it's a kid, it's like akid, it feels like you're a kid
, you know, like it's like itsown form of time travel.
It really does, because you'reand to some extent you hear
people all the time like I knowthere are adults who like PB and
(03:51):
J sandwiches, but then if youhear somebody who eats PB and J
sandwiches all the time as anadult, you're like what's, why
are you always eating PB and J?
You know, I'm not trying tojudge.
Are you trying to live in thepast?
No, I'm not trying to judge.
I'm fine with it, but I'm justsaying that there is an aspect
of that.
There's an aspect of like.
I feel like almost to theextent of like I'm not sharing
(04:14):
with a bunch of people.
Well, now that I'm saying onthe podcast, I guess I'm sharing
with, like you know, at leastanother 10 or 12 people that
listened.
So but but you know, I'm notsharing with like I wouldn't be
like what'd you have for lunch?
Oh man, I had this awesomepeanut butter and jelly sandwich
.
It was so good, dude, it waswhoo like.
You know, you just wouldn't belike.
(04:35):
It'd just be like yeah, I hadpeanut butter and jelly sandwich
.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
Please don't judge me .
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Yeah, exactly yeah.
That's exactly what I'm saying.
Don't judge me, but I just hada PB and J, you know.
But that's okay.
If you're out there, you havePB and J sandwiches.
I'm on board with it now.
So, so a good, a good little,like I said, good little sort of
snack.
Not a full meal, obviously, butit's something that I can
(05:04):
digest and it's easy.
Now, what am I drinking?
My typical water bottle.
I've got that with some waterin it.
Actually, it's a little bitlight on the water.
I hope I don't run out.
But the other thing I did is Idecided to try something that
I've been, I've heard about inthe past and I believe that it
(05:28):
is local to our area, or atleast the south.
Maybe I'm going to have to do aquick Google search while I'm
talking, because it doesn't sayit on the bottle.
But basically, that's what I'm,that's what I'm, so yeah you're
(05:49):
not multitasking.
well, I'm terrible atmultitasking, anyway, so it's
called cheer wine.
Have you heard of cheer wine?
Oh yeah, and I've heard ofother people talking about it,
but I've never tried it beforeand I decided to grab.
They have like four packs inthe glass bottles.
Now this is the cheer wine zerosugar, so this is no calories,
(06:12):
which is good, because I got tohopefully sample the flavor of
it without having to drink downa bottle full of sugar.
But as I look it up, it saysit's, I believe, out of North
Carolina.
Yeah, it's headquartered inNorth, their headquarters is in
North Carolina, and so, yeah, soit was created in North
(06:32):
Carolina.
Yeah, so it was sugar shortage,sugar shortage.
To the same, I guess to thesame thing that we have in
Tennessee.
Wasn't RC Cola Tennessee?
Is that is RC Cola Tennessee?
Am I wrong in that?
All right, Nick's going to go,I know there's RC.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
Cola at Moon Pies?
Yeah, I'll do it.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
I know Moon Pies is, but anyway.
So similar to wherever RC Colais from, we have cheer wine.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
I'm going to miss Georgia.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Georgia.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
And Nashville just claims everything from the South
, doesn't?
Speaker 2 (07:04):
it.
Try to, we try to say oh,that's from middle Tennessee, no
, but cheer wine.
We're like the uncle that makesup stories about stuff, just
random stuff.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
It looks like everyone thinks it's his idea.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Yeah, I invented the Post-it note.
Did I tell you that?
No?
So anyway, it's a cherryflavored beverage.
It's not cola flavored at all,so it's not cherry like Pepsi or
cherry Coke.
You know, it's actually acherry flavored beverage and and
(07:42):
it's actually pretty good.
It's like let me take anothersip and I'll see like it was.
Like I mean, it has a good, notlike it has a good, actual,
real cherry flavor.
Like, meaning like what acherry would actually not.
It doesn't taste as artificialI know it is, but it tastes like
(08:04):
they maybe put cherry juice init.
It doesn't have like cough syrup, right exactly.
Or like a maraschino cherry orsome kind of like manufactured
fake cherry flavoring.
It's a cherry.
Yeah, it tastes actually likethey took some, maybe used some
cherry juice in it or somethinglike that.
I'm sure that they did not.
There's no, probably zero fruitjuice at all in this thing, but
(08:25):
, but it's, it's good, and I'mactually looking at the
ingredients now to make surethat I'm not like not you know,
defaming them.
Yeah, I don't see any juice inhere, so, but it's really good
actually.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
It wasn't reading the label.
He was looking really closelyat the contents of the bottle
Right, exactly I'm like.
I don't see any.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
I don't see any juice , Weird, Okay.
So no, so it tastes really goodand I mean I'm not like a huge,
like a huge soda drinker oranything like that, but I do
every once in a while will likedifferent things.
I try not to drink the sugarversion of it, you know.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
But Brian, that's not a fair comparison.
You're not a huge soda drinkerbecause you've lost weight, so
you're sort of like a mediumsized, you know medium sized
soda drinker, I suppose you knowI will say that it has a
distinct, let me put it.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Let me put it this way it has a distinct flavor
that I've never tasted in anyother kind of cherry flavored
drink.
So at least for that aspectit's pretty cool because it's
like its own thing.
It's not like a oh yeah, it'sjust cherry flavoring or
whatever I'm sure it is.
But but it says since 19, wasit say.
(09:50):
On the bottle it says 1917.
So apparently it's been aroundfor a while.
Another podcast I listened to.
I'm pretty sure they're inFlorida, but every single time
he opens the podcast he talksabout that he's got his cup full
of cheer wine and so I think hedrinks the full sugar, full
sugar version of it.
But he's got his cheer wineready and he's.
(10:10):
He's had to explain to manytimes on the podcast that he's
not drinking actual wine, thatit's just a soft drink, because
other people are like what isthis cheer wine thing?
So, yeah, so that's all.
That's all.
I have a small slight Brian'sbeverage corner.
I know everyone's disappointed,especially you, Nick, but who's
(10:33):
who's unique.
Especially all the Unix that wehave in our audience.
They're all no, okay, doublephase palm, okay.
So what?
What do you?
What are you eating anddrinking?
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Dory made some excellent chicken breasts for me
.
It was made seasoned with TonyChauceries.
I know it's really.
His name is Proun, I'm prettysure I'm like two thirds right
there Tony Chauceries orChauceries, I think it's
Chauceries.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
Yeah, I know what you're talking about.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
It's the no salt version of their famous blend.
You know the Creole cuisineseasoning.
Yeah.
Paired with some additionalpaprika, as Dory likes to call
it.
I think most of us say paprika,though, so hopefully she hears
(11:36):
me make fun of her and she canhurt me later.
The, the.
The two chicken breasts werepaired with some additional
Southern comfort food turnipgreens cooked in classic butter
and we use, like the grass fedIrish butter.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Yeah, carry gold, and yes, that's it.
Yeah, yeah, and if you're, ifyou're going to eat butter, eat
some carry gold, man.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
Yeah, absolutely, and then also I had some
blueberries on the side.
On the side side like a littlebowl on a separate plate.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Blueberries are really, really good for you,
healthy, wise, and I was justlooking at a thing it's
anti-aging food, mmm Ah.
Antioxidants it's got.
I think it has some of those.
I think it has some of thosered Reservatrol or whatever the
red wine stuff, I think, I don'tknow, maybe, maybe.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
Okay, I'm also adding oxidants and I'm enjoying some
dark chocolate flips, darkchocolate covered pretzels, so
I'm getting plenty of sugar.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
So I just looked up pronunciation.
And it's Sash Sash, Sachery,Sachery, Tony, Sachery Sachery
that's Tony Sachery.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Yeah, the green green bottle.
I've got one at my house.
Our green shaker of it, right.
Mm-hmm yep.
Yeah, cajun seasoning.
It's really really good.
Creole, creole seasoning Is itCreole seasoning?
Why do I do that?
Speaker 1 (13:22):
every time yeah, you don't get the mix stuff, creole
seasoning.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
either way, it's really good.
Also, don't use too much of itbecause it does get pretty spicy
.
It can get pretty spicy if youeat too much of it.
I mean, if you, you know, yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
Isn't that anything that you get too much of?
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Well, I'm saying that in particular because it's it
seems like you can just put iton and you're sort of using it
like salt, but then you know,you put that, like you put that
on, and then all of a suddenyou're like whew, man, that got
a little spicy on me.
So if you don't, if you don'tintend to, then don't do it, got
it.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Yeah, pay attention.
Yeah.
So, yeah, I think that's thatchecks out In terms of beverage.
I've got my I want to say rusty, trusty, but it's not rusty at
all, thankfully.
Bottle glass, bottle of water.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
That'd be weird if it was rusty, rusty glass.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
Yeah, crystal clear, classy glass of bottled water,
rasty, glassy water, and that'sit in terms of beverage, I think
I've got.
Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Just water.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
Yeah, just water yeah .
Speaker 2 (14:51):
All right, hydration is important.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
Yeah, especially if you're going to talk out of your
, out of your butt.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
I don't think so.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
You can get chapped down there.
Yeah, need to hydrate.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
I suppose so, and that has nothing to do with our
topic at all.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
No, yeah, that's true , we should, we should, we
should look forward to our topic.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Yes, well, yeah, and in our last so long as we have
time in the last episode.
I mean I mean I mean somepeople would say we have all the
time in the world, other peoplewould say not, it just depends.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
I might have.
Well, even the time in theworld is finite.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
Is it?
I don't know Well, so yeah, thetopic today, building off of
what we talked about in our lastepisode, which is, which was
sort of the you know physics oftime, like you know, the the
physics, a little bit ofphilosophy of time.
A little bit, a little bit ofeverything a little bit of
(16:08):
French fries, a little bit of.
You know everything.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
The fries like a banana.
I think that's that's what wesaid, right?
Yeah, that's a good summation.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Also.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
The time flies like an arrow of French fries like a
banana.
French French fries like abanana.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
French fries.
So the yeah, so the basic youknow basic thing is sort of
leaning more towards into thepsychology of time, meaning our
perception of time, and we didtalk about this a little bit in
the last episode, where you know, we were talking about, in
essence, like our perception andour, you know, feeling of like
(16:48):
time as a construct, right Timeas something that was set up,
and how do we measure it, andeverything else, and there's a
there's a couple of differentaspects to this part of the
discussion, but I think that'ssort of the you know the
summation of it is like how dowe as humans have a you know
(17:12):
what's our relationship withtime?
Like what is our you knowunhealthy?
Yeah Well, it's amazing to methat something that is this is
already just jumping into thepool, but that something that is
just something we've made up,as you mentioned in the last
episode, is, to some extent, wemade up the system so that we
(17:34):
could have some way ofcommunicating between each other
.
Like you and I, we decided thatwe were going to record this
podcast today and we said, hey,what time do you want to be
there?
Speaker 1 (17:43):
So we had, you know what time do you want to be
there?
Oh wait, never mind.
Go on, go on.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
So what time?
Yeah, what time?
I mean, what time are we goingto start?
How long is that?
You know all these things,right?
So, same thing as right now.
There's some, you know, there'ssporting events that are going
on today.
Those are all like, hey,they're happening at a certain
time, right, it's a differenttime if you live in on the West
coast of the United Statesversus the East coast of the
(18:10):
United States.
That's a different, it's adifferent time.
But the game isn't starting ata different time, or is it?
I mean, the game is starting atthe time that it starts, right,
so you know.
So, basically, how, how do weget started?
How, all of that stuff, howdoes that?
You know?
How are we?
How are we dealing with that?
(18:31):
As well?
As I think we talked a littlebit about the aging process, and
that plays into time too,because your, your actual
physical body, is finite, rightthere, at least, we haven't
found a way to make it so thatyour organs and everything else
can continue to work intoeternity, forever, you know, in
(18:54):
perpetuity.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
So well, there's even some of that kind of another
aspect.
You talk about sporting eventsand the thing happens, when it
happens and our perception of it.
You could be at a baseball gamelike in person and be, watching
the game, but also have ahandheld radio of an announcer
giving the game verbally.
(19:16):
Yep.
And it's always delayed right.
Yep.
Like, if you're listening to, ifyou're watching a football game
live quote on TV, it's alwaysdelayed either because of just
the broadcast signal having toreach you through the internet
or cable or radio, whateverantenna, but then also because
(19:38):
of like for censoring purposesyeah processing like a throwing
in ads and things graphics andyou know yeah.
Yeah, yeah, you're not, you'renot getting it in true real time
.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
Right, but again, so it's.
So you're experienced.
You know you're experiencingthat like a few seconds after it
actually happens in real life.
But unless you have thatexperience, like you said,
you're listening to the audiobroadcast on the radio while
you're sitting in the stadium.
You never know that.
You never know that it'sdifferent.
If you're watching it at, youknow you're watching a game in
(20:17):
Tennessee and it's going on inCalifornia.
You don't know if that'sactually happened or not.
You don't know.
The only thing you do know isthat it's always happening in
the past, unless you have somekind of special.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
But we never see it that way.
Right Like it feels live.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
Yes.
Yeah your perception of it, andso you know I don't know
exactly which way to like, whichdirection to go with this to
start, but you know I feel like,oh, go ahead.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
I think one way to kind of make bridge the gap is
that, yeah, from a physicsstandpoint, there's in time,
there's the theory of relativity.
But I think even in our brainthere's relativity right Because
, depending on our emotionalstate or our state of
consciousness, our perception oftime differs.
(21:15):
Right.
Like time moves more slowly ormore quickly.
You know, in states of stress,like your life could flash
before your eyes and suddenlyyou're doing like this rapid
replay of your entire life.
Yeah.
Or time slows down and evenpeople's perception, not only of
(21:38):
time, their perception of spacechanges.
Like people in car accidentswill talk about in the moment,
they somehow see themselves fromoutside the car and see it
flipping outside, not onlyoutside their body but outside
the vehicle.
Or then there's also, like theout of body experience, where
(22:00):
people have definitely a changein state of consciousness and
not only is time stopped orseems to be going slowly, but
they're having an out of bodyexperience watching themselves
on the operating table.
Whether it's real or imagined issort of the big debate, and
(22:26):
because of the difference inthose accounts, there's often so
many details that are missed orlost.
We suspect that it's a metaillusion, right?
Our concept of time, ourperception of time, is itself an
illusion, because of thingslike if the speed of light you
(22:49):
know the speed of light isfaster than the speed of sound.
Yeah.
But our brains sync it up in itspost-processing, assuming that
there's not too great a distance.
So there's already kind of likethis illusion of synchronicity
in terms of all the differentinputs.
But then on top of that, whenyou're stressed and things, and
(23:14):
the overload of emotions andchemicals, you end up perceiving
things even more illusory,where your memory is an
overdrive and you're reliving itwhat you've seen as best as you
can.
But it's all a blur and slow-mo, so you can maybe catch details
you might have missed, but it'sall kind of like slow-mo, you
(23:36):
know.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
Well, and I made the assertion in the last episode
that when you take away some ofthe constructs of time and my
example was like you go onvacation, so you, typically you
go on vacation, you're there torelax, you're taken out of your
(23:59):
normal routines, so you're notmaybe going to the gym in the
morning, you don't have to be atwork or on something at a
certain time in the morning andyou're sort of not, you don't
have your day planned.
Basically, it's just, hey,we're here to have some R&R,
rest and relaxation andbasically, you know, time seems
(24:20):
to move a little faster.
You're like man, is it alreadytwo o'clock in the afternoon?
Oh gosh, what happened?
Like time didn't move faster.
It's just you took away some ofthe construct that you normally
have and also I think you'reyou made you talked about in the
last one is like time is themeasure of change, right, and
(24:40):
that's the same thing.
It's like you aren't noticingthe change very much because
you're not, you're just not intune to it.
You're in tune to hey, I don'tcare what time it is, right now
I'm going to read my book, I'mgoing to sit by the pool, I'm
going to whatever your, youractivity of choice is, and so
you're not paying attention tothe time.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
You get lost in the present moment.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Yes, You're just kind of riding on the stream which
is which is interesting that somany self-help things talk about
doing that exact thing in youreveryday life of just hey, you
need to live in the presentmoment.
You need to.
In fact, I'm right nowrereading one of my favorite
(25:23):
books, the how to Stop Worryingand Start Living, and the very
first part of that is DaleCarnegie.
But one of the very first partsof that book talks about living
in day-tight compartments, likedon't worry about what happened
, excuse me, don't regret orthink about what happened
yesterday.
Don't worry or anticipate aboutwhat's going to happen tomorrow
(25:43):
.
Do whatever you can.
And he comes up with a bunch ofin fact, I think I would love
to do an episode at some pointon that book.
I think I've told you thatbefore but he comes up with
really, really practical waysthat, in essence, if you really
boil it down, are all ways tosomewhat manipulate time.
There's some way to sort of say,like you know, because some of
(26:09):
the worry comes with I got toget this thing done by this time
, by this point, by this, someof the worry comes from that,
and so a lot of them are yeah,you need to get yourself out of
that.
You need to.
Just what can you do right now,like right now, not what bad
things are going to happentomorrow, but what can you do
(26:29):
right now to make sure that badthing doesn't happen.
So I think we talked about thatlast month too and our last
episodes and last month'sepisodes is just sort of talking
about you know, basically, likeI said, what can you do right
(26:50):
now to fix a problem, like,except the worst case scenario
that's going to happen?
And then what can you do to fixa problem so which is taking
your, it's taking yourself outof you know the mind of I don't
know what he's doing.
I wasn't supposed to comment onthat.
(27:10):
Taking a picture of me.
No, okay, well, it's okay.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
Tell you to see what I see.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
You're fine, you're good.
So, anyway, I find that that'sinteresting because Because to
me, it doesn't matter to likethe time on the clock or the
time in your life or anythinglike that.
What matters is how are youdealing with that?
How do you process that andthat's what we're talking about
here is the psychological.
(27:38):
How are you processing the timethat seems to be going by if
you think of it in a linear way.
And some people are processingit like and I fall into this
trap too is, like I've saidbefore, like my father passed
away really young, and myattitude is always like, wow,
(27:58):
I'm like hurling towards thetime when my father passed away,
the age at which my father died, right, and so in my head I'm
almost like on a clock of like,well, that's like at that age
I'm gonna basically be, you know, that's it, like that's the end
of it right.
And that's just something that Ihave made up in my head.
(28:20):
It's a psychological, you know,issue that I have of a
perception, because am I gonnadie at exactly the same age my
dad died at?
I don't know.
I might, but I also might not.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
So Well, you lived a different life with different
genes.
Yes, similar genes, perhaps asimilar life, but you're making
different choices, in partinformed by the choices you
observed him making.
Right.
So you have a different hand.
You were dealt.
Please, please, don't create aself fulfilling prophecy in your
(28:55):
head that your dreams to dieyoung, you know.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
Well, that's what I mean.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
That's Because psychosomatic stuff is real, of
course.
Just by Like you don't have totake a sugar pill, you can make
the gesture of popping a pill inyour mouth and your headache
will go away for a little while.
Because you've got, because ofanticipation and so forth, you
(29:23):
can.
Another illusion of the brainright Is the rubber hand
experiment.
Oh gosh.
Right.
People will Like you can set upmirrors and sensations such
that some will smash a rubberhand with a mallet and somebody
will like jerk back because theythink it's their hand Right.
But anyway, back to what you'resaying.
(29:47):
How much time do I have leftthinking about your time on this
mortal realm as limited Rightand you don't really know when
it ends?
Right.
Is a valid point.
There's like a.
There's a comedian I like a lotI forget his name right now.
(30:08):
I'll have to look him up forthis but he's short and people
will hurt his feelings withouteven realizing it because he's
like how short are you?
And he's like you measurethings by how much.
There is not, how much is left,or how.
You don't say you ask someonehow old they are, you don't ask
(30:29):
them how much time you got left.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
How much?
Speaker 1 (30:31):
time, do you?
So yeah, it's like yeah, wellyeah.
I want to hear more.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
No, I just was thinking too that it's
interesting.
So the fact that in certaininstances, like you were talking
about the life flashing beforeyour eyes or and I'm sure
everyone's had those experiencesof Usually it's something like
(31:06):
that, like, oh my gosh, I'mabout to break my arm.
You know, it's like I fell offmy motorcycle or whatever in,
and so it's.
You know, everything sort oftime slows down, but does time
really slow down?
Like somebody perceiving thatfrom the outside, like if you
see a race car crash into thewall, you just see the race car
(31:26):
drive and it crashes into thewall, but I'm sure the
perception of that driver in therace car is different than
yours.
So, which is crazy, I mean.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
Yeah, it's subjective .
Well, when time going faster inits own way feels slower, yeah.
Yeah, you lose time.
You blink and it's gone.
It's like you froze and theworld kept going, or you fell
asleep and you just woke up.
(31:59):
You blink and it's gone.
You know like.
Yeah.
There was that one gap and thatlapse.
I think they said that ifyou're traveling at typical
speeds and while you're drivingyou blink, you lost five meters.
Yes, I saw a thing recently.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
That's crazy.
I saw a thing recently that wasit was actually talking about
Because blinking would be anormal thing you have to blink
when you're driving but one ofthe things it did is it was a.
So the video.
If you look at it, the pictureis through the windshield.
And then it was every timesomeone looked at their phone it
(32:40):
went black.
So it literally blacked thevideo out of the thing and then
it came back on and it blackedthe video out and it came back
on.
So they were saying, like theaverage person might pick up
their phone, look at it for twoto three seconds, right, like
read a text message, do whatever, change the song, and it was
showing you how, at a certainspeeds, how much distance your
(33:02):
car is traveling.
In three seconds, basicallyRight, and you don't think of it
because in your car you think,hey, you're insulated from it to
some extent.
And I will say even theperception of time, like when I
got my more recent car, it feelsdifferent driving in a car
that's higher up than it does acar that's lower to the ground.
(33:24):
So you have, like a Lamborghinior some kind of, you know, very
sporty car.
Your perception of that speed,like driving 60 miles an hour in
a Lamborghini feels a lotdifferent than driving 60 miles
an hour in a big rig truck.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
Well, because you're lower to the ground, Right.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
So your perception you know, is that I'm going
faster, but you're going thesame speed.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
I think that might have something to do with the
general relativity we talkedabout before as well as our
psychology Right.
Right, but it's true.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
You're right, but it's also like I said going back
to it, the craziest thing to meis the fact that we're all
trying to have some kind ofconsistent measure of time by
like having clocks and Imentioned atomic clocks and you
blew my mind by saying atomicclocks don't, aren't even
accurate and all these otherthings Right.
(34:18):
But we have this thing thatwe're like trying to keep
consistent and we all are also,at the same time, agreeing that
it's inconsistent, dependingupon things, because of the
perception.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
And that's all the more reason why we had to have
it, create an objective measure,because I mean, I've, I've, I
hope not because I hate people,but I think it's just an
important skill and an importantexperience for all humans.
I hope everyone has a chance toget into some kind of customer
service, because there'sinvariably that moment that
(34:56):
everybody who's at least oncewhen you're working customer
service, where it's like Ihaven't been waiting 37 minutes
to get off of hold and talk tosomebody, I've waited three
weeks for my order to come inand you go and look at the
documentation and it's beenseven days, or it's been two
hours, or you know.
And it's because of thatdichotomy, that dilution of
(35:22):
perception of time, it's like ifyou're, if you're actively
waiting, time feels like it moreis happening than it is.
And the opposite is true, right?
The reason that there's holdmusic when you're on hold is
because it's something to keepyour mind occupied.
Speaker 3 (35:41):
It makes the time pass Not overestimating how much
time is passing.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
Similarly, there's a lot of ills that we could talk
about.
This might be a whole othersubject of you know, the
prevalence of smartphone use.
One of the things the silverlining is that people are
extraordinarily more patient nowin drive-thrus and checkout
lines or any kind of queuing,because they can just sit in the
(36:07):
waiting room and doom, scrollFacebook feeds or whatever you
know, catch up on YouTube videosor whatever it is they want to
do.
They're occupied.
Yeah.
And now 12 minutes feels liketwo minutes.
I believe that yeah.
Hold on, let me finish thisvideo.
Yeah.
Before they go to the doc, getup from the waiting room.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
No, and I believe that.
I believe that that's one ofthe reasons why airplanes,
airlines now are like.
That's why they provide, or whythey want you to have Wi-Fi on
there, because they know ifyou're on a five hour flight and
you get and you can, who could?
They don't care if you're doomschooling, you're just.
That means you're entertained.
It's treating you like a littlebaby, yeah basically, it's
(36:51):
literally hey.
I have this baby, this group ofbabies that I'm going to shove
into a metal tube and we'regoing to fly for six hours and
if they don't have something toentertain themselves and pass
the time, then they're going toget whiny.
And they're going to be whinybabies about it.
Right, and I'm not.
Hey, I'm not excluding myselffrom that.
It literally, if I had nothingto do in a plane for five hours,
(37:12):
I probably would get whiny likehey, give me something to eat.
Hey, do you have something Ican drink?
Hey, maybe I'm going to get upand go to the bathroom, because
I have to go to the bathroom,because it's something that I
can do to pass like threeminutes of this flight or
whatever.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
Sure, but you, yeah, and you talking about past the
time latches on to my I guessbrief fascination with how we
talk about time and how it hasspatial elements to it.
Right, like, how do you?
You don't pass the time likeyou pass a football right.
(37:45):
Right or or skip it.
We're basically kind of likeskipping the time you know, but
then there's like time got awayfrom me.
Yes, Like are you holding on toit, or you lost track of time,
like so it's on, it's on atrajectory, like it's on a track
at a given speed.
Yeah, looking forward to it,like it's it's in front of you,
(38:09):
literally, yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
Well, and so that's a big potential.
Speaker 1 (38:16):
But coming back of passing the time, as you said,
we can get back to the passingtime.
Well, and so?
Speaker 2 (38:21):
this is probably another deeper thing.
This goes not deeper, but itgoes more into our self-help
aspect of it.
It's funny to me that we spend alot of time during our lifetime
trying to figure out a way topass time, like make things that
go faster.
Just, to some extent, make timego faster.
(38:42):
When you're doing somethingthat's a task that is boring,
you're like gosh, I just want toget through this, I just want
to get through this.
And you just like something.
So like when I'm mowing thelawn, I listen to a podcast or I
listen to music, because it'slike I'm doing this thing I
don't really want to do andwe've talked about that like
pairing something that you don'tlike to do with something you
do like to do, or at least apleasurable with a
non-pleasurable thing, right.
But it's funny to me that wespend time and I just looked it
(39:05):
up like so, average days in alifetime, if you live till
you're 79, is 28,835 days, right.
And we spend some portion ofthat time trying to like speed
time along, like trying to like,in essence, like I don't want
to say waste time, but manypeople would say waste.
You're literally, you have afinite amount of time on this
(39:27):
plane, whatever this plane is toyou, and you're, and then many
times you're like, yeah, justget through this part, just get
through it.
It's like we have a fastforward button and going back to
the like babies on a planething, it's like we have a fast
forward button.
We're like fast forward throughthis part.
It's boring, just fast forward.
Can we just fast forwardthrough this part?
Okay, oh, play that part.
That part sounds good.
(39:47):
Yeah, I like that.
You know it's, it's a.
Conceptually it's just veryinteresting to me just because
it's it doesn't seem to go toget like.
It doesn't seem to.
You know, it seems like if youknew that, like it seems like if
you were, and there have beenconcepts like that.
There are books that arewritten like hey, how do you
make the most out of every day?
How do you, you know,considering that you don't know,
(40:10):
if you have 79 years that'sjust sort of the average of what
we're talking about you couldlive considerably longer than
that.
I have more days.
Or you could consider reallylive considerably less than that
, just like I was talking about.
My father, you know, lived wayless than that.
So, knowing that you don't knowhow much you time, how much
time you have, it's funny thatyou're like, on some level,
(40:31):
throw this time away, like thisis all throw away time.
It's just sort of like, eh, youknow and I don't know what point
I'm trying to make with that,just that it's an interesting
concept to know that.
Well, I guess the point I'mtrying to make is with regard to
, like, self-help and withregard to that aspect of it,
maybe you should try not to dothat, you know, maybe you should
(40:53):
try to, and again, andultimately, what this means is
going back to what we go back toall the time, in this subject
at least, is it has an aspect ofliving in the present moment is
because fast forwarding time islet me just not pay attention
to this time right now, like,let me do something to distract
me from this time so that itgoes faster.
(41:15):
So you're literally like notliving in the present moment for
a set, for a little while, likeyou're, you're trying to not
pay attention to what'shappening right now, and many,
many self-help things andspiritual people are like no,
you need to like, always payattention to the like, always,
take it in.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
You're always and yeah, and some of the best, most
fascinating conversations I'vehad.
Most memorable conversationsI've had have been on a plane.
Yes.
It's just the strangers sittingnext to me, you know.
Yeah.
Learning about different.
You know advancements or waysof living and being or jobs and
(41:53):
just things I wouldn't ever hearabout before or seek out, or
even know to seek out right.
And I think too that you talkabout distracting and you know
trying to skip it and not be inthe present moment.
Or you know wasting time, notknowing which time we have.
(42:13):
I think some of that has to dowith what our objectives are.
Yes.
Like, if our goal is to getthrough our watch later list on
YouTube, then it's not a wasteof time to turn on Wi-Fi in the
plane.
You know that's what we reallywant to accomplish, and then
again, like there's you coveredso much.
(42:36):
I don't know that I canremember.
Speaker 2 (42:37):
Yeah, I'm sorry I went.
I went on a tear there for asecond.
Speaker 1 (42:40):
You're good though it's, you get to speak to Brian.
This is your podcast too, soit's okay it's, but yeah, I
think whether something's awaste of time or not has a lot
to do with your objectives, andwhat do?
You achieve.
I think, too, there are otherstates of consciousness that
(43:02):
affect our perception of timethat we do seek out.
I'm thinking of, like the flowstate, where it's like time
seems to stand still.
Yeah.
You're in sort of the zone thezen and things just sort of
happen effortlessly.
(43:22):
You're right, yeah, thatbetween place of familiarity and
foreign.
It's like you know.
I know I know how to do most ofthis, but some of this is new
and interesting and I think Ican do it.
I'm going to see, I want to, Iwant to learn, I want to try.
Right.
And it's working.
You know it's like you'regetting to the next level and
(43:42):
you can feel it, but is it is inthat moment?
Is time?
Is time going faster?
Is it slowing down?
Right.
Like, if you lose track of time, is it?
How do you?
I think it's more.
Time has passed.
Speaker 2 (43:59):
That's the stupid part about it.
I think it's both.
Speaker 1 (44:02):
Yeah, Because objectively more time has passed
than you've perceived, right?
So time flew by.
Yeah.
Like you.
You didn't see, like it's likea ball going by really fast,
yeah, and so by.
I think another thing that'srelated to a perception of time
and it's all animals is,generally speaking, the larger
(44:25):
an animal is, the slower theperception of time, and the
smaller an animal is, the faster.
Speaker 2 (44:33):
Really.
Speaker 1 (44:33):
Or the faster they can process time Got it.
Okay, there's also the aspectof predation, which is also
related to their size.
So like elephants see timereally slowly, like they'll see
a leopard.
Speaker 2 (44:48):
When you say predation, are you talking about
, like, having predators?
Is that, am I?
Speaker 1 (44:52):
Yes, yeah, be whether how, where they are on the food
train, yeah.
Speaker 2 (44:56):
Food train yeah.
Food train.
I'm in the caboose.
Speaker 1 (45:01):
I'm in the caboose of the food train, eating it all.
Oh, oh, oh oh, that's shittyOkay.
Speaker 2 (45:10):
All right Explicit explicit notification.
Speaker 1 (45:12):
I'll put the.
Speaker 2 (45:13):
R and no.
No, we get like one of those.
We get like one.
Yeah, it's, there'd be a PG 13.
Speaker 1 (45:19):
You can.
They've moved the goalpostthere.
I think you can use the F bombnow and still be PG 13.
Yeah, at any rate, though, likeelephants, they might see a
leopard on the right side oftheir field of vision, and then
they, without even blinking,they'll just see it on the left
side of their field of vision.
Yeah.
Because they don't care.
Like the leopard isn't going togo for them.
(45:41):
Right.
So they never really had toadapt or develop a faster
refresh rate.
Speaker 2 (45:48):
Right.
Speaker 1 (45:49):
But, like you know, squirrels and what is it?
Bunnies have a much higher,faster refresh rate.
Yeah.
You know, flies have a shorterlifespan, but they they have
really quick reflexes.
Yes.
Speaker 2 (46:06):
Well, it's interesting to me because one of
the things I just was reading,actually while we were going
through this, is one of thearticles part of one of the
articles that I had talked about, and it talks about the aspect
of fear and it says fear is themost intensively examined in
studies of time judgment.
So there's two things with that.
(46:27):
One is going back to my sort ofdiscussion about self-help.
Many of the self-help thingsare saying hey, you need to
eliminate.
Look, worry the stop.
Worrying is the same thing.
It's fear, worries just fear.
Right, it's just, it'sdifferent.
I mean, it's slightly differentbut you're you're scared or
something Like I'm worried, thisis going to happen, I'm fearful
(46:48):
this is going to happen, right,and so it was interesting.
The reason I was going to bringit up is because this because I
always am fascinated by howscientists measure things like
this, where it's like yeah, buthow do you just?
How can you measure, like, whatis the actual experiment?
Just tell me what the actual.
And that's always fascinatingto me because I would never have
thought about how to do it.
And then you think, oh, it's sosimple and clever.
So this person did a speechwhere they I mean a speech,
(47:13):
excuse me a an experiment wherethey strapped a they call it a
chronometric device to the toeach of the participants' wrists
and then they had them ride anamusement park ride that had a
15 story drop in it.
Okay, and when asked afterwards,you know cause that could
actually measure the time of thedrop.
(47:35):
When asked afterwards, most ofthe individuals overestimated
the duration of the fall, whichmeans what time is slowing down
right, so it's stretching outright.
And they are saying, yeah, thisis because it's a fear, like
your body is biologicallyfearful of falling right, cause
you're going to die or could die, and and so that's.
(47:57):
I think that gets to somethingsort of powerful with time.
The perception of time is maybeif you can eliminate some of
your fears, eliminate some ofyour worries, then your
perception of time becomes morein line with what the actual
passing of time is, not yourperception of it, because that's
what this is saying.
It's basically saying the realtime, the actual time of the
(48:19):
drop.
They said no, theyoverestimated it.
So if you're sad, if you'redepressed, if you're fearful, if
you have negative emotions Iwill say I'll just broaden it
out to negative emotions thepassage of time is perceived
like oh my gosh, I'm in thisliving hell, like you've heard
people say.
Oh man, I'm just like in thisliving hell where I got a good
up and I got to go to work everyday and I got to do this and I
got out of the.
So it's sick of all this andit's going so slow and I just
(48:43):
like, is this all there is, andmidlife crisis and all this
stuff?
And in terms of self-help, youcan use that to your advantage
and say, okay, how do I, how doI make it so that?
Speaker 1 (48:55):
it's like like Groundhog Day, right, you can
use the monotony to youradvantage.
Speaker 2 (49:00):
Yes, yeah, and sometimes I wish that that's one
of my favorite Twilight Zoneepisodes is the guy who has the
stopwatch and he can stop.
He clicks the stopwatch and therest of the world stops.
He's the only person that cankeep going, so he gets to stop
time for the rest of the world.
His perception of time is his.
His time keeps going, buteveryone else is on pause, right
(49:22):
, and I think they probably Ithink I think Adam Sandler did a
movie that remote control later.
Speaker 1 (49:26):
that was similar to that Right Like yeah, click,
that's right, and some of thatis too Fast forwarding like it.
I meant to mention that earlierwhen you were talking about
trying to skip it, and we keeplooking at things as a
distraction and stuff andthere's some pretty good implied
morals to that story.
(49:47):
It's a little hokey, but it'sgot Christopher walking in it,
so it's great.
Speaker 2 (49:56):
Well.
So my point is I guess what'sreally interesting about that is
I'm always looking for the.
What's the common thread, whatflows through all of these
things we're talking about?
And that's one of those thingsis connecting yourself with the.
I mean, let me stop.
(50:17):
And I'll say, sometimes whenyou read a book and it's like,
hey, you should be more in thepresent, and I think I'm trying
to remember who the person wasthat wrote the.
Was it Deepak Chopra that wrotethe book of like the here and
the now, or something like that?
Speaker 1 (50:33):
It was within the last 15, 20 years.
Speaker 2 (50:36):
Eckhart Tolle.
Eckhart Tolle yeah, I'm prettysure.
And so sometimes when you heara concept like that, you're like
, oh okay, yeah, that soundsgood.
And you read about it andyou're like, but then
practically like you know howcan we boil that down?
So it's like something I canunderstand and I can understand.
Try to take away, you know, tryto control your emotions,
(50:59):
because your emotions play intothe passage of time, and one of
those emotions is fear or worryor negativity, kind of things.
And then also, if you go andlook on the other side of that
is you know what we were talkingabout a minute ago it's like
you go on vacation andtheoretically you have, you're
having more positive emotions,you're having more like to some
(51:21):
extent hedonistic, likepleasurable experiences.
Right, the time seems to youknow, the time seems to go
faster than you thought.
You know where.
It's like man, it's already mylast day of vacation and I'm
already and I can't believe itwent that fast you know.
So you know, I just thinkboiling it down like that helps
(51:44):
people sometimes, at least ithelps me.
Speaker 1 (51:48):
Well, I think there's overlap to coming to the
self-help aspect in personalpsychology and stuff would be.
There's sort of this ownrelativity.
We talked in the previousepisode how if the closer
someone's moving to the at thespeed of light, the, and they
make like a quarter year longvoyage, or they only age a year,
(52:12):
but by the time they get backto earth, when else is age
hundreds of years right orbasically died and there's a
whole new generation and so onand so forth.
I think there's a parallelthere to personal development,
where the faster you're moving,the faster you're growing.
You are changing with thechange, you're moving with the
(52:35):
world, with the times.
Yeah.
And the more stuck you are infear, the more stable you are.
Yeah.
The more just aging, you'rejust decaying.
You know, like in ShawshankRedemption, you can either get
busy living or you can get busydying.
And what keeps you know?
What do they say about you know?
Staying young, you know, andkeeping brain activity.
(52:59):
It's giving yourself newpuzzles, new challenges, just
trying different things.
Right, yeah, being a nearconstant state of development as
opposed to a near constantstate of atrophy.
Stability is just waiting forcrumbling to happen, waiting for
(53:22):
entropy and decay, which is theopposite of life.
Living is the art of change andadapting to change.
Speaker 2 (53:32):
That's the title, by the way, of your book that
you're going to write is Changewith the Change, oh, and then
either that or it's going to bespeed up to slow down.
Speaker 1 (53:46):
I might have to first write speed or slow down to
speed up.
But yeah, yeah, both are true.
Speaker 2 (53:53):
Well, hey, it's, hey, you know what Good for you
thinking about the.
You know the second book thatyou're going to write before
you've written you've talkedabout the first.
You're like, when I do this, mysixth book is going to be
called Revenge of the Sixth.
Well, so well, and there was,yeah, the only other thing I was
(54:16):
going to talk about in this,just really briefly, because I
know we're running up on ourtime is biological aspects of
time, and I think I talked abouta little bit.
Like you're, you know you'reaging and everything else, but
it's interesting that your bodykeeps time.
You know your actual you know,and some and it's different for
each person, you know, you eversee the people that are.
They don't look their age, sothey're you know, hey, that
(54:39):
person's 80 years old.
It's like man, that person doesnot look 80 years old.
And then you see somebody who's65 and you're like, oh, they're
probably in their 90s andthey're like, no, they're 65,
you know, they smoked a lot.
Yeah.
Yeah, and but either way, I meaneven that, like there are
certain biological things thathappen, as I mentioned before,
we were recording, like you know, like women go through
menopause and that just happens,it doesn't.
(55:01):
At a certain time their bodyreduces and expands and does
different hormones that create,you know, menopause, that
happens right and there'sthere's, that's the cyclical
aspect of time, biologically,where it's, like, you know,
everyone goes through quotepuberty, everyone goes through.
(55:21):
Yeah.
But, your, but your body.
I guess my point is, at least inmy mind your body is perceiving
time, biologically isperceiving time, but you're not
thinking about that, you're not.
It's it has some internal clockthat is going and at a certain
time it's like yeah, this is,these are the things that cause
these biological aspects tohappen, and again.
(55:43):
That's why you can't say at age50, everyone goes through
menopause is like no, some womengo through early menopause,
some some women are later.
You know things like that.
Well, yeah cause it's.
Speaker 1 (55:52):
It's not.
It's not a process that goes bythe clock it goes.
It's a process that goes byreactions and the rate of decay
and how you can accelerate orslow down that rate.
Yeah Right, like yeah.
Well and so it's more of areaction to events than it is to
a clock.
Speaker 2 (56:11):
So one other experiment that I'll bring up
because in my, in the same thingas I just said, I'm fascinated
by different types ofexperiments Cause somebody was
trying to and this does plays alittle bit into our time thing
but they were trying to figureout if bees could tell time, and
so they did an experiment wherethey put out, like a certain
kind of food or something thatthe boot, the bees, would come
(56:32):
to, and they did it at the sametime every day and the bees
would come, and then theystopped putting it out and the
bees came out at the same time,and then people are like well,
wait, how do you know?
They're not just like readingthe sunlight or the.
You know, like the, you knowthat it's not that they actually
know what time it is.
Speaker 1 (56:51):
Well, that's how we tell time.
Speaker 2 (56:53):
Right?
No, I know Right.
Speaker 1 (56:56):
Like we have some kind of measure, like we're like
oh you know, food comes out atnoon every day.
Sure, we look at her watch andthat noon is based off of where
the sun was.
Sure, sun is.
Speaker 2 (57:06):
Oh, but so, but then, they were like yeah, but
they're but they're actually.
They were asking that theycould actually tell time Like
they actually knew.
Speaker 1 (57:13):
Like they had an internal clock Right, exactly,
not that.
Speaker 2 (57:16):
So they were saying, oh, they're just reading that,
they're giving an explanation.
They're saying, hey, they werereading the sun, that's how
they're telling that.
That's how they're telling thatthe food's going to be out
there, not that they know thatit's 10 am, right.
So then they did it.
So then they did it in the dark, without any time aspect, and
the bees came out at the sametime, and they so.
Then people said, yeah, but howdo you know that there's not
(57:38):
some kind of like theyunderstand?
You know the gravitational pullor some kind of thing that we
don't know.
You know just some kind ofperception that we don't know
that they did.
So then, what they did was they?
They flew the bees from Europeto the United States, and the
bees came out at the time thatit would be 10 am in Europe, not
(58:00):
10 am in the United States,because, basically they, they
knew that that was the sameexact time, that and I'm
probably like butchering it, butbasically the way that the
experiment, you know went.
Is that they?
You know they basically.
So basically the bees were likejet lagged, you know the bees.
The bees were like yeah it'stime to eat, you know, and so
(58:24):
anyway, look it up if you wantto see whether I was wrong, and
right in my in the way that Isummarize that experiment.
Anyway, okay, but.
Speaker 1 (58:37):
I think.
I think jet lag is a goodexample, though, of how we have
an internal clock.
Yes.
Right, like biologically, wehave a sense of time.
Yeah, I think it's.
Even our concept of time is atthe neurological level, the
neurons.
Speaker 2 (58:54):
So would we get jet lag if we didn't have, if we
didn't have clocks, like if wejust said, hey, we never made
that discovery, and we just said, hey, we're going to fly from
New York to Paris, would westill get jet lag?
Speaker 1 (59:08):
I think so.
I don't know.
I think that plays into quoterelativity too, and, like it
turns, it's almost like a weirdcognitive dissonance, right,
because we feel, like parts ofus feel like it's the time of
day, it would be, wherever wecame from, we're also receiving
the signals that it's later inthe day because the sun is at a
(59:30):
different place or whatever, andso there's that disconnect and
we have to sort of recalibrateand get everything realigned.
Speaker 2 (59:39):
Yeah, I'd like to see if there's experiments like
with.
Like I said, it's just for me,I don't know, it's weird.
Anyway, by no means am I ascientist.
So there's that.
By no means at all.
No means no, and so all right,we've killed the subject
(01:00:06):
somewhat, and come back with uson the next episode.
We're going to be talking abouttime travel Bonus episode.
So bonus?
Oh yeah, that is bonus.
Happy Valentine's Day toeveryone for the bonus episode.
See you guys, talk to you guyslater.
See you and talk to you guyslater.
(01:00:26):
I won't see you later, I'lltalk to you later, bye, bye.
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