August 1, 2024 • 57 mins
Ever gone back for seconds at a restaurant because the food was just that good? Bryan did, with a carnitas burrito that left him craving more. Hear about his mouth-watering experience with sweet pico de gallo and homemade tortillas, and why he takes a shot of salsa with every bite. This episode kicks off with this flavor-packed anecdote and flows into a lively chat about the quirky ways people enjoy food.
From favorite indulgences like Starburst-flavored sparkling ice drinks to the art of homemade iced coffee, we journey through various food trends and preferences. Discover the peculiar love for slightly soggy tortillas and the unforgettable flavor of the custom-made "loco nut" coffee. Our discussion takes an insightful turn, reflecting on how our perspectives shape the way we view endings, whether it's the end of a day or the excitement of pre-vacation nights.
We then dive into the complexities of attachment, sparked by a viral story about a woman's overreaction at McDonald's. Explore how minor events can carry significant emotional weight and what they reveal about our broader life transitions. With a focus on career changes and organizational restructuring, we discuss how people cling to the familiar and the importance of agency in embracing new beginnings. Come laugh, reflect, and gain new insights as we navigate the intersections of food, philosophy, and life's intricate moments.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome to Help Yourself.
Food and Philosophy with Brianand Nick.
I'm Nick and I'm Brian.
To everything there is a season, a time for every purpose under
heaven, a time to be born andto die, to plant and uproot, to
kill and to heal, to build upand destroy, to cry and to laugh
(00:27):
, mourn and dance.
What's cheating Brian?
Speaker 2 (00:34):
I feel like that's a song that's you know.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
It's a song and kind of a psalm Right.
It's in the Bible A psalm songNear psalms yeah, it's a book
very close to psalm, right inthe bible.
A psalm, psalm, your psalms.
Yeah, it's a book very close topsalms yeah, what am I eating?
Speaker 2 (00:52):
I uh went to mexican food last night with actually
ordered and took it back to thehouse so got to go with my
family.
But then I planned for, becauseI like it so much, we haven't
been to that go to go with myfamily.
But then I planned for, becauseI like it so much, we haven't
been to that, yeah, we haven't.
Uh, we haven't gone to thatrestaurant in a while.
And so I was like, well, I'mgoing to get two burritos.
(01:14):
So I got two burritos lastnight and I left the.
I ate the leftover one thismorning.
I mean the intentional leftover, and so it wasn't hot, it was
just sort of like roomtemperature.
But the their burritos, are sogood that I um, you know, I
really really enjoyed it.
Uh, the one thing I did noticethis morning, though, so it's,
it was a carnitas burrito, whichis pork, obviously.
(01:36):
Obviously, everyone knows that,obviously, you know.
Come on, if you don't know that, then stop.
Then stop listening.
Oh gosh, we just lost our onelistener yeah, I saw that drop
too.
It's all right, keep going so,um, so it's seasoned pork and
it's shredded up and it's in aburrito they put.
(01:59):
There's no cheese in thisburrito, it's just, uh,
guacamole and some pico and Ithink that's it.
I think it's just like a verysimple, pretty protein forward
like meat burrito, no beans, norice, nothing.
I mean, it's just, it's astraight up meat, meat and
veggies.
Yeah, meat and veggies,basically.
(02:20):
So the thing that I noticedtoday, which I didn't notice
yesterday when I was eating itis and maybe because it was warm
, it was, so the flavors meldedtogether a little bit better.
But I feel like they put sugarin their Pico de Gallo because
it was sweet.
Like they're and I know thatsome people do that They'll do
like salt and sugar to make thePico a little bit, have a little
(02:41):
bit of a sweetness to it, or itcould have just been the
natural sweetness of thetomatoes, but it seemed like it
wasn't Um and so.
So that was the one thing thatsort of turned me off a little
bit today.
Just um, I was like when.
I ate it.
I was like and also it might'vebeen that there were a couple
big bites in there that I gotalmost all pico in it, like it
(03:02):
was just just, it was likeclumped in there and you know,
and so it wasn't evenlydistributed and so I got like a
bite that was like just tortillaand a big chunk of pico de
gallo and um, but I mean,overall it was good, it wasn't
like it was bad, like I was like, oh, I'm not eating this, this
is terrible.
I'm gonna spit it out, but Ijust noticed that today, um, and
(03:24):
then, uh, they, they do, Ithink.
I believe that they make theirown tortillas there, because the
tortillas are always reallygood, which is another bonus
when you have burritos, you know, um, to have a decent wrap
around it, you know, uh, onethat doesn't break open and
things like that.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
So you can actually hold?
Speaker 2 (03:45):
Yeah, exactly, and the the I also did have with it.
They have these little tinycups like maybe one ounce, maybe
half an ounce, actually it'sprobably like a super tiny
little cup of they have red andgreen salsa, and so I had that
and the.
The weird thing is that and Ido this with Taco Bell also, I
don't know if anybody else outthere does this, or if you do
(04:07):
this, you probably not, butbecause it's a weird intricacy
is that instead of putting thesalsa on the burrito, it's like
it looked like a little shot cup, so like, literally, I would
just take a bite and then Iwould just take a little shot of
like while the bite was in mymouth, I take a little shot of
the salsa, so then it's allmixed in my mouth.
So, um, I don't know if otherpeople do that or not, but uh,
(04:30):
I'm not afraid to be weird but Ido that.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
I've not heard of anyone else doing that,
including myself, of course.
Um, I will be kind of weird andI'll put the sauce, like a
little bit of the sauce, onbefore I take a bite, kind of
like a toothpaste myrtle yeah,you put a little bit on, bite a
little bit on, yeah I've seenthat before.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
I just have, so like I thought that was weird.
But with taco bell.
I did that like taco bell hasthe packets, you know, and so
I've seen people do that withthe packets, like put it on and
then take a bite.
Put it on, take a bite.
But I do that even with thepackets.
I'll open like a corner of thepacket and I'll take a bite of
my burrito and then I squirt alittle bit from the packet in my
mouth and so yeah, it's weird,it's weird stuff.
The other thing is with this isanother weird intricacy.
(05:23):
I know I'm going off totallyoff off the rails already, but
is that?
Speaker 1 (05:28):
too, bright.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
So.
So the other thing that I doand I've done this since college
is when you get like a reallegitimate burrito, like not not
a burrito from like Taco Bellor something, but like
legitimate, like big fat, likefootball size burrito, like from
a Mexican place.
Right Is that I will?
So last night, what I did is Iput it on a plate, I unrolled
(05:50):
the burrito and opened it up, Ipoured salsa and guacamole and
queso over all the innards of itand then I ate all the inside
out of the burrito and then Ithere's just like remnants left
in there and then I just rollthe whole thing up at the end
and eat like a semi-filled orlike partially filled or like a
deflated burrito.
Yeah, like a yeah, that's.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
That's a good way to put it that's a good way to put
it yeah so what does that do foryou like?
Speaker 1 (06:16):
why is it?
Just because you know, then,that the burrito is not
overstuffed and it's easier tohandle, or I think so flavor of
dough or I do.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Actually I don't know that's something actually last
night.
That I was saying is like Iactually like I know some I've I
listened to some other podcaststhat do like food review stuff
and they're always like these.
The tortilla was gummy and itwas this, and I actually sort of
like that doughy kind of whenit's like slightly soggy.
It's not soggy all the waythrough, but it's like the
inside of it's soggy.
The outside is still dry, butwhen you eat it it's almost like
(06:45):
a little bit of a dough ballkind of thing and um, I don't
know I like that consistency inthat, and if it's a good
tortilla too, I mean, I believethe tortilla actually has a good
flavor to it, so so, anyway, Idid that.
I do that as well, which isfreak but, um, all right, moving
(07:07):
on.
Uh, uh, you do you you'reexactly not afraid to be your
own person, right?
Don't apologize for that.
So I've got my normal ironflask uh, cooling thing with
cold water in it that I'mdrinking.
I did mention to you.
I did order a new one.
I'm getting rid of this onebecause the.
If you hear through themicrophone any kind of slurping,
it's because the I don't know Ithink it's the silicone seal or
(07:29):
something is going in the inthe straw.
So whenever I drink out of itit makes like a gurgling sound
and it's just sort ofembarrassing when you're around
other people.
So so I so I bought myself anew.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
A new uh, bottle grown man sipping through a city
cup.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Yeah, exactly yeah exactly, and then the other
drink that I have.
I found out about this a coupleweeks ago.
I was chaperoning band camp,and uh, and so band camp is you
live in the dorms at a college,which was very strange, um you
didn't start the story right,you could be like this one, this
one time exactly one time atband camp, I was living in dorms
(08:07):
when I was a 51 year old man umstop being, stop doing you bud.
Yeah so I I happen to be bandcamp.
One of the things that happensis lots of things need to get
purchased, like kids will forgetthings.
You get there and you're like,oh, I'm going to go get some
snacks or you know, just otherthings.
(08:27):
So there's a Walmart like rightdown the road, like literally
two minutes away.
So usually during that weekthere's, you know, bunches of
trips to Walmart and I rarely goto Walmart but I so when I go
there I see all these productsand things that I'm like I've
never seen that before.
So I don't know if you've everheard of sparkling ice, but,
like, if you go to thesupermarket it's like a, it's
(08:48):
just a fruit drink, you know, um, but at the supermarket they
just have regular flavors, likeraspberry, you know whatever.
So I go to, uh, on an end capin um, in walmart they had them
on sale for like a dollar and Iwas looking at them.
So this is sparkling icestarburst flavor and this is the
orange starburst and itliterally tastes like melted
(09:11):
starbursts inside a thing.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
Now, the cool thing about it is starburst it does.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
It's it tastes like they like liquefied starburst
and put it in there.
You know so.
So, anyway, the cool thing isthis is this it's also zero
sugar.
It's a zero sugar version of it.
So this bottle is only fivecalories and it doesn't have
anything else in it.
It doesn't have I don't knowwhat the sweetener agent is in
it, but, um, probably.
I don't know, I didn't, I didn'teven look but it has no
(09:38):
caffeine.
It has it's low calorie, it hassupposed.
Supposedly it has antioxidantsin it, like it has like vitamin
b6 and B12 and all that stuff.
And it's only five calories forthe bottle and it's actually
pretty good.
I mean honestly, like it's agood change.
And it's only, again, for fivecalories and it being zero sugar
, I'm like I wouldn't eat, Iwouldn't want to drink five of
(09:59):
them a day, but like you know,especially that they're cheap,
like they're, I think, this oneI got at kroger and it was a
dollar 25 for the bottle, so, um, so yeah so that's my uh oh,
and then the other thing I hadwas I made my own um iced coffee
this morning, which is thestoke coffee, s-t-o-k.
(10:23):
That coffee.
And then I've been using acoconut how, what do they call
it?
It's like coconut cream creamerfrom um coffee mate, and it I.
I don't know if I've talkedabout this before, but I,
honestly, if you'd said, yeah,coconut flavor with coffee goes
well together, I would be like Idon't know about that.
(10:45):
That doesn't sound right.
It doesn't sound like it wouldtaste good but, it's honestly
really good.
So, um, so I put a little splashof that in there.
I've been trying to wean myselfoff of it because it has sugar
in it.
You know it's calories, but Itry to do like a little splash
of it, not too much, and itgives a good flavor.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
Good flavor, um, and it does my sweetener and it's a
little bit of a creamer, so soyeah, so that's yeah I used to
go like there was a coffee shopdownstairs from the place I
worked several years ago yeahand downtown right.
So it was expensive.
But I would spend money thereand spend too much.
(11:23):
But.
But when I went I got I namedmy own flavor, like I'd gone
enough that they knew me and I'dnamed my own flavor.
I would get whatever drink withhazelnut, syrup, coconut and
what's the other.
I just had it.
(11:46):
I think it was almond oh reallyand uh, and I called it a loco
nut that sounds, that actuallysounds interesting, yeah, it was
good, really, really sweet,though, because there's a lot of
syrup yeah not not healthy atall, so I don't do it anymore.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
I haven't tried to recreate it anywhere else yeah,
I don't know if that I found aplace that has coconut syrup,
like even starbucks doesn't havea coconut syrup if you look at
coconut milk, though, you couldoh yeah, milk and almond milk
and then hazelnut syrup yeah andwell and you'll have to, you
know, go to the doctor to getinsulin.
You're like you could just doall of this high saturated fat
(12:29):
and sugar.
That's perfect.
Yeah, all right, that's my BBC.
What?
Speaker 1 (12:38):
are you eating and drinking?
I'm eating.
Good news and bad news-ish Badnews-ish.
I'm on bone broth diet againuh-huh good news ish is today
was a cheat meal oh nice um, orI guess, as was last night.
So last night I got half of acauliflower pizza that I like to
(13:00):
get from judets Pizza, and thentoday were the leftovers, so I
had the other half.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
Nice.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
The cauliflower crust is one of those sort of
personal size, so yeah.
Eating half of this pizza.
What is it like?
A 10 inch pizza is prettyreasonable as a meal.
Yeah, normally I could eat thewhole pizza, maybe even a couple
of breadsticks, you know, um,but yeah, so I had.
(13:31):
I had a half of that, which iswhat toppings were on it yeah,
it's instead of pizza sauce.
It was ranch.
Okay, I might have describedthis setup before.
It's my go-to um.
So ranch instead of tomatosauce, with a little bit of like
a light amount of the red chilipaste, yeah, or sauce, red
(13:57):
chili sauce, sweet chili sauce,um, and then Italian sausage,
green peppers, onions, so sortof like a breakfast burrito.
Okay.
And oh and, with Chet's Pizzayou can flavorize your crust for
(14:17):
free.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Oh yeah, I know there's all those options.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
Yeah, I'll put a Cajun plus butter.
The butter is to counteractsome of the Cajun.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
They're the only place that offers that too.
I haven't seen another placethat offers like, and also it
doesn't cost any money to do it.
They're just like yeah, whatflavor you want, we don't care,
we're Jet's Pizza, we don't care.
That's their slogan.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
So true, the one I go to is really close to where I
live and I've I've had to swearlike I can't justify getting it
delivered anymore yeah I used tothinking like, hey, I'll throw
him a bone, this is a quick,quick, easy win.
They can write it to me quick,no big deal, and invariably it
(15:03):
gets messed up.
Yeah, I guess they just waituntil they have other deliveries
or and yeah, get to mindeventually or they forget
something.
You know it's like.
Yeah, it's just worse.
So I just I just save the moneyand do the carry out yeah,
(15:23):
that's.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
I mean yeah because I I know how close that is for
you.
Like you you were I met.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
I remember you said, yeah, I could see it from my
window, you know like yeah, frommy back windows, yeah, yeah,
I'm drinking so again becauseit's a cheap meal.
I've got the from starbucks agrande fondue, chocolate foam
cold brew.
Oh dude.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
Yes, the cold foam is good.
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
And they gave us so much cold foam that it was to
the brim, so I couldn't put thelid on my personal cup, so I
just had to drink some of thatstraight.
Yeah, I get Dory's help to havesome of that straight, and then
I've got water in a glassbottle.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
Nice, good stuff.
I feel like I'm forgettingsomething that's that's an
unusual is that is the cold, isthe cold chocolate foam because
of cheat day yeah, no yeah, Iget yeah, because I you don't
get that normally yeah andnormally get decaf, and on bone
broth it's non-cheat days, it'sblack.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
You don't add sugar, you don't add creamer.
Right.
If you have coffee at all, it'sblack.
Yeah.
Or I think they sell some stuffthat is safe to get on the
diets.
There's probably like somethingI could make or dory could make
, that would be creamy orcreamish yeah but it's just not
(16:52):
worth it.
It's better to get used to andappreciate black coffee yeah, oh
yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
I wish I could.
I really.
I've tried before and I justwhat I usually.
If I need to go back to havingcaffeine, I probably wouldn't go
back to black coffee, I wouldgo to like some kind of a, like
an energy drink that has thesame amount of caffeine as a
strong cup of coffee in it.
You know something like that.
That's a zero calorie kind ofthing, rather than.
You know, I, since I drink icedcoffee so much, I don't care
(17:20):
that much that it's hot, and soI just go back to something like
a zoa or a you know, I don'tknow, there's thousands of them
now.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
So, and there is, like, all of those artificial
sweeteners, though we're off,off limits too, for bone broth
oh really so you couldn't evendo that.
Aspartame, yeah, yeah and, andthat was that came to mind,
actually, when you were talkingabout your burrito being sweet
oh yeah the being on the diet.
There are things that aren'tnormally sweet, that taste sweet
(17:51):
whenever I cheat and it's likewhat isn't it eight?
Granted they were crepes.
I think crepes do have somesweetness to them usually they.
Yeah it just it tasted reallysweet.
Oh, Like I could tell it had todo more with my taste buds
changing than it was the dishitself.
(18:12):
Yeah.
But yeah, it was.
It was another cheat day.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Well, let's, uh, let's, bring this section to an
end and uh try to get onto ourtopic.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
That's fair.
I think it's time.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
I hope our audience can deal with the end of that
segment and go to the next one.
You know, yeah.
Yeah, so what are we going totalk about?
Endings?
Oh wow, that's crazy.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
All good things come to an end, and also the food
portion of our conversation.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
Has come to an end.
Also, our the food portion ofour conversation has come to an
end.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
Yeah, well, where do we want to start, is the
question uh, well, there, I meanthere's a lot to say about it
and like I mean, I don't knowwho've said, who said it, but
like everything, everything endsright.
Right, then again, it's all amatter of perspective right
(19:14):
that's probably why I chose theEcclesiastes quote, because it,
when one season ends likeanother begins yeah you know,
like when there's nothingbetween war and peace, it's a
bit of yin and yang.
Yeah, there's the circle ofeverything and we've sort of
(19:37):
drawn this arbitrary linebetween them.
But it's more like a cloud andwe've drawn a line to make that
blurred concept more, moredistinct.
But we definitely have a senseof ending right.
Yeah, I mean, even animals doyeah, I think.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
I think also, like there's a thing, like some, some
endings are more grandiose thanothers and others are just, you
know, just a.
I mean, you don't think aboutit every night, but every night
you go to bed, that's the end ofthe day, like that's the last
time you're going to beconscious and and recognizing
that every night yeah, it's justsaying mild existential crisis
(20:19):
of like that's it yeah, it'slike like like what if?
Speaker 1 (20:24):
like what if.
I don't wake up or what Like alittle bit yeah, or knowing
what's ahead of me has alreadyhappened.
Yeah.
When you're a kid, each day isa new day.
Yeah, and the older you get,the more mundane and routine
things are.
There's not much to lookforward to, Except for the
(20:46):
current moment is nice.
And so, yeah, I want thecurrent moment to keep going,
and that that often plays into,you know, yeah, me staying up so
late yeah, that's delaying,that's delaying an end.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Right there you're basically like hey, how do I put
this off?
You know?
Speaker 1 (21:01):
right, but it's delaying the inevitable, right,
but much like you know, puttingon taking botox or putting on
makeup or, yeah, you know, evenum exercise you're.
You're delaying the inevitableright.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
Well, I'm glad you, I'm glad you mentioned so early
in this conversation aboutperspective, just because I
think basically most of ourtopics a lot oh, I would say
most, yeah, I'd.
Basically most of our topics alot oh, I would say most, yeah,
I'd say most of our topics havesome aspect of perspective of
what is your?
You know how you, how do yousee things, how do you, what
lenses are you viewing the worldthrough?
Or your world, you know?
(21:39):
Um, but yeah, it's uh, which isinteresting, because going to
bed the night before you'reabout to get on a plane the next
morning and go on vacation isdifferent than going to bed the
net, you know, the night beforeyou have a big event or
something that's stressful atwork or something like that.
Those are two different things.
So it's just, you know, notthat that's profound or anything
(22:00):
, but it's just it's interestingto think about.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
Yeah, and there's all kinds of neutral ends as well,
like just breathing about.
Yeah, and there's all kinds ofneutral ends as well, like just
breathing in.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
Yeah, you got to stop at some point, micro, micro
yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
Yeah, yeah, it's.
Uh, we don't think about it,but like, yeah, that that comes
to an end.
So that something else canbegin.
Yeah.
Um, but yeah, there's definitelylike in terms of that
perspective.
I think the other thing is, youknow, because we're so,
(22:35):
everyone bring out your bingocards, yes, in in toastmasters
when, when you've done your bestfor a speech or not, or
whatever, nerves have builtbuilt up in your mind leading up
to giving that speech, whenthat speech is over, maybe
there's a modicum of sadnessthat that's come to an end, but
(22:58):
most of it is relief yeah likeyou know, or you're
participating in some conferenceor training and you're, and you
know, have responsibilities forit, and I mean that's over.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
It feels so good yes, I think you can just not have
any obligations for a littlewhile and just I think, that,
honestly, I feel like I get amicro dose of that almost every
week when we have ourtoastmasters meeting.
I get a micro dose of I, you,you know usually all of us,
since our club has a certainamount of people, all of us are
(23:29):
participating most meetings,right, and that could be
something really simple, or itcould be you're giving a speech,
or it could be they get calledon for table topics, question,
whatever that is.
But the thing is you, you getdone with the meeting and you
feel like you did something.
You feel like, oh, okay, that'sbehind me now.
Like you did something.
You feel like, okay, that'sbehind me now.
And so because, despite whatpeople tell you, I know, like
(23:50):
professional speakers will say,I don't get nervous at all.
It's like, no, you still getnervous, you just know how to
deal with it.
Like you've done it so manytimes that it just doesn't feel
like being nervous anymore.
It doesn't.
It doesn't feel like theconnotation of a negativity, of,
oh my gosh, I'm going to.
You know all the things that goalong with nerves and speaking.
And I think, even years andyears in, as both you and I are
(24:12):
with Toastmasters, it's like youstill get nervous when you go
up and give a speech, or whenyou compete, or when you you
know you're just.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
It never goes away, you know Um well, yeah, I think
that might have to do with atthe risk of going off topic a
bit.
Nervousness comes from.
It's a function of how much youcare and what you care about
when you're inexperienced.
Your nervousness has manysources and many outcomes that
you're worried about.
(24:39):
You're worried aboutembarrassing yourself, you're
worried about being made fun of,you're worried about not doing
well, you're worried about yourmessage being misunderstood and
you're worried about not doingwell.
You're worried about yourmessage being misunderstood,
your message coming across, allkinds of stuff.
But then, when you get good, alot of those nerves go away
right and if you don't careabout anything else, a lot of
the personal nerves go away.
Then you might not be sonervous, but there's still the
(25:03):
nervousness about you know, isthe audience going to hear?
What I feel they need to hear,you know, is the message that
I'm working so hard on, that Icare for them about so much the
audience going to receive whatI'm sending?
Is it going to serve them like Iwant to serve them?
(25:23):
Is it going to do the good Iwant it to do?
And some people don't even care.
They just want to check the boxin their project.
Right, and that's that.
So they're not nervous oncethey feel like they got the
skills.
But then others who who have apurpose, might have a sense of
nervousness knowing that theymight fail in that purpose.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
Um yeah, but also, isn't that a factor of an ending
, though, is that you know that,hey, this is my shot.
You know not to get all eminemon you, whatever, but you know,
or hamilton, or hamilton.
Yeah, exactly, this is my oneshot, you know, uh, you, you
(26:01):
recognize that like this, is it?
You don't get like a do-over,you don't, you know.
So it's like there's an endingthat's hurling towards you,
meaning the ending of the speech, the ending of your time on
stage or the ending of your timeto present whatever material
you want to present, and soyou're almost in anticipation,
like man.
I hope I say everything I wantto say before that ending
(26:22):
happens.
You know, because when the redcard goes up and they're like,
get off stage, you're done right, so there could be a tie there
yeah, I think with endingsthere's.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
You know, like again I opened up with with
ecclesiastes.
You know there's a time and aplace yeah for everything, um,
and I think the negativefeelings we have about endings,
you know, even say death iswe're trying to cling to
something that is no more, or isabout to be like.
(26:56):
Everything is a moment, livingin the moment yeah um, we
believe we're one of the fewentities on the planet, or any
any life form, that has aconcept of long-term future and
long-term past.
Yeah.
And are aware of our ownmortality and so like, when
something we got something goodgoing, we don't want it to end.
(27:20):
Yeah, Um, even like goodstories, you know good books or
good series on Netflix orwhatever.
Uh huh.
They're.
The zeitgeist is trying to comeup with a term for the, the,
the morning that some people gothrough when their favorite
series comes to an end.
They've got post book blues andbook hangover.
(27:43):
Right.
Um, I think that's kind of anedge case that, like from what I
see from people and Iexperienced myself, I can enjoy
a good book and let it end rightand and I don't feel remorse or
regret or sadness that it'scome to a close like it.
It had a beginning and a middleand end.
(28:05):
I have a sense of completenessand closure.
It was a satisfying conclusionright but then, like tv series,
almost a cliche in that thereare many more times than not
they seem to have unsatisfyingendings.
Right, some people have liketheir top five best, uh, you
(28:28):
know season finales where theyactually give that sense of
closure that people crave.
But most, it seems like most ofthe time it's unsatisfying
either because the writersdidn't have time to yeah, to
write in the clothes.
Um, well, it's funny, but likethings, up.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
It's funny that you just you were talking about so
you're talking about the endingsof movies and books and things
like that.
And you know, you remember,yesterday I did a table topics
question that was talking,actually did I I don't know my,
I don't know if I gave this toyou or not, but it was basically
talking about, um, what?
Now I completely I forgot whatthe tabletop question was.
(29:06):
It was talking about, um, oh,the book being better than the
movie.
When I was like, name a timewhen, name a time when you think
that the, that the movie, wasactually better than the book,
right?
Um, yes, yeah, and I don'tthink you asked, you didn't ask,
I didn't ask that.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
Yeah, I think you asked mary that.
Mary, yeah, I did, but but sohere's.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
Here's the thing that I just, when you were talking
about that, it reminded me of it, and the reason why is because
I was thinking why is it thatthat, first of all, that happens
, and then also thatdissatisfaction with an ending
of a series or something else,and in my head I was thinking,
well, wait, so a book is writtenby, in essence, essence, one
author.
I mean, you've got, yeah, youhave editors and you have other
(29:50):
people that are probably goingto be helping along the way, but
it's the author's piece of work, whereas a series or a movie,
there's probably could behundreds of people that have
some say in the actual contentthat ultimately gets produced,
and so that ending might be like, first of all, it might not
even be the people that startedwriting the series at the
(30:11):
beginning, and then, anyway,this is a totally off subject,
but it's, but it's talking aboutthe endings of things, so Sure.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
Well, I mean, yeah, there's.
But I think there's.
There's too many for people whohave unsatisfying endings in
their life.
Maybe that's the fact thatthere's too many uh writers in
the room right you know whetherthat's multiple personalities,
(30:40):
yeah or um, maybe theirworldview keeps changing.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
Well, here's a question for you what this is.
This is going to be a littlebit of a tabletop.
This question is and I'm, I'm,I don't know the answer to this.
I don't know how I would answer, but what do you think so?
Do you think, whether or not,like how much control you have
over an ending in your life, doyou think that that has any
effect how you deal with it?
Because, like, for instance, if, let's say, you you're quitting
(31:08):
a job, so you're, you're incontrol there, or somebody
breaks up with you like you knowwhat, I mean.
Or a job fires you.
You know two different thingshere.
Right.
Does that affect how you know?
Does that affect that ending?
Does that I mean?
Do you deal with it in the sameway?
Is it a you know?
I guess I mean again, it'sgoing back to the perspective,
but you know.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
I think so.
I think that's a lot to do withit, that it, um, I think
there's.
I think there's two changecurves that in psychology and
the way I see it is there's.
They're based on whether it wasa welcome change or an
unwelcome change, Like there'splenty of people who get laid
(31:50):
off and say thank you, yeahRight, they get their severance
package Like, oh man, I'm soglad Cause I was trying to
figure out how I'm going to quit, you know, Um, but it's.
It's like the getting the payraise is a change and it's a
welcome change.
Right.
And then having a death in thefamily who's a loved one is an
(32:10):
unwelcome change.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
Right.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
But then the uncle who has a lot of money, who
nobody, nobody liked.
Yeah Is that's a welcome change.
Mm-hmm.
Um, and I think, depending onhow welcome or unwelcome it is,
it it speeds along which stagesof grief you go through, or how
fast, or how short, how long yougo through.
(32:33):
You know, like you don't havemuch denial or bargaining.
When you were praying for thisday to come, you've already gone
through all the bargaining.
You've been bargaining in yourhead of, like, okay, what am I
going to do when this happens?
Yeah, or how am I going to feelwhen this happens?
Happens like you've alreadysort of thought that all through
, you're prepared.
(32:53):
Um, you're literally lookingforward to it.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
When we use that phrase to imply positive
connotation, but looking forward, just another word for planning
yeah you know like lookingahead, so well, I think you're,
I think you're hitting on asubject that we will be talking
a little bit more about, whichis dealing with that, you know
dealing with the dealing withthe endings.
But but yeah, I think I thinkyou're right, I think I also
think this I think that what'sstrange to me about endings is
(33:18):
that they change over time.
So something that, as anexample, so my I've said this
story before but my, my, youknow my father dying when I was
19,.
You know at the time is verytragic and sudden and you know
all this stuff.
But now, having 30 years ofperspective on it, there are
things that I could look at andsay you know what, I'm, who I am
(33:41):
now because that happened, andin a positive way.
And so at the time, obviouslyit was this terrible thing.
It's like, wow, what am I goingto do?
I, my dad's gone.
And then you know later, you'relike, oh well, if, if that
hadn't wouldn't have happened, Idon't know if I'd be where I am
today or if I had done, wouldhave done the things I have done
(34:02):
over the years, because it wasall framed by that, or a lot was
framed by that.
So so it's funny to me thatthings can change.
Obviously, that's just achanging of perspective of and
you actually going through that,those you know.
So what we've talked aboutbefore, the stages of grief and
having that getting to thatacceptance stage where you're
like, okay, you know, you get tothat acceptance stage and you
(34:23):
say that happened and it's apart of my life.
And you know that happened andit's a part of my life.
And you know, still, it stillmakes me sad to this day.
But at the same time, I have somuch time behind me now that
it's like I've accepted the fact.
You know it's not, I'm notdwelling on it.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
So I think, another aspect of perspective you know
you mentioned earlier the theday ends, but that's, that's
just a human construct from oursleep cycles.
Right like the the earth, theearth didn't slow down in its
rotation yeah you know, and it'sno further or closer to the sun
(35:02):
or any any of that like it'sthe sun or any any of that like
it's.
It's just we're just clockingthe, the spin, right, yeah, um,
and we we happen to have anending that that's a signal for
us biologically of like, okay,melatonin is kicked in and all
this other stuff.
We need to sleep right to gothrough all that process and rem
and everything um rem yes shinyhappy people that's me in
(35:27):
the corner um me in thespotlight I don't know what to
do, uh, but you know, roads endletters end with a salutation
right.
As much of that, um yeah, Ithink so.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
Here's the funny thing I I pulled up this.
This might be a good time topull this in.
I pulled up an article fromsomeone.
Uh, it's the things.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
The things I learned from dot com oh wait, is that
the name of the website?
Speaker 2 (36:01):
yeah, it's the things I learned okay yeah, the things
I learned from dot com.
Uh, too long of a website name,but I I understand a lot of
domains already taken, butthat's okay.
It should be things I learnedfrom blankcom.
Just go visit my website.
It's the things I learned fromlife that I still think are
(36:26):
goodcom.
Anyway sorry, sorry to JenGlantz, who's the owner of this
website.
It's nice.
You're a nice person, I'm sure.
So she has a thing on here.
That is 12 things that end toofast, so it's an interesting
thing.
So one of them, so the veryfirst one, is sort of Baseball
(36:46):
games.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
Sorry, I'm kidding.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
No, the very first one is the last couple, and what
I like about this list is sheactually like frames these for
you.
She just doesn't say like books, right.
So she said the last couplepages of a book that you've
invested so much time andemotion in, so like you know, so
much so that you reference thecharacters often in your real
(37:10):
life and you know, so it's good.
She goes on and mentions somecharacters and things like that,
um, and she said you actuallylike start to read slower
because you're like I don't wantthis book to end, you know, um,
which is really interesting, um, some of the other things, uh,
one she just said Sundays.
So not, not like not.
(37:31):
S A S S U N D A E S S U N D A YS.
So you know that that wholethat whole Sunday or Sunday
night blues or whatever.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
Yeah, it's like it's.
It's it's case of the Monday'sEve.
Yes, yes.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
Yeah.
She said, uh, what else did shesay?
She said, um, like, here's herframing of your, so she wanted
your vacation.
But then it has a dash.
It says especially when thatvacation is in the middle of a
terrible New York winter andyou're on the beach somewhere
sipping a pina colada and yourbiggest worry is remembering to
reapply sunscreen every 30minutes.
So, like, the reason why I likethese framing things is because
(38:11):
it goes exactly what we're justtalking about.
She's giving the perspectiveexactly, which is, which is
actually pretty cool.
So thanks, jen, glance of.
I always like things that needto be saidcom.
Um, that's like trademark brandbrown, redacted um so here's,
(38:34):
here's one we already talkedabout this from your eating
thing.
So number 11 on her list is aslice of pizza.
And then she says becauseyou've made a, because you've
made a pretty terrible decisionto order just one and it's so
insanely good and you're tryingto make it last forever.
So you know, order a slice ofpizza and you're like, I'm
really trying to, I'm reallytrying to not eat a whole pizza,
(38:57):
and she, or so she's talkingabout ordering a slice of pizza.
She obviously is from New York.
She at least she referenced NewYork earlier.
So I'm assuming I'm assumingthat she's, she's a New Yorker
and she does street food.
You know, get a slice of pizzawhile you're walking down the
street or whatever, um.
But anyway, I'm not going to gothrough the whole list, but
like, I think that's really cool, like I think, um, I think the
(39:18):
um, like I said, thatperspective that she's putting
on those things is, is what isnecessary for you to go.
Oh yeah, you know what?
Because you might say a sliceof pizza, but then you're like,
yeah, last slice of pizza I hadwas crappy, but she's like, but
what if it's one that you'relike really hungry, and you got
the perfect toppings and it hasthe perfect mix of ranch and
chili sauce on it and it youknow and, and what happens when
(39:42):
it's your one cheap meal yes,mess it up yes, it's you get so
sad, you get so sad yeah, oneand a half times too much.
Speaker 1 (39:50):
Ranch dressing, pizza soup.
Yeah, yeah, you're like dang it.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
The loss of your cheat meal there's actually a
recently this is actually thisis not off the subject, but it's
.
It's exactly what you were justtalking about which is there
was a viral video recently ofthis woman who she went into a
McDonald's and she ordered likeshe ordered I think it was a
double cheeseburger, and sheordered extra ketchup on it,
like I want extra ketchup, andshe.
(40:21):
What we come to find out lateris that it was her cheat meal
like she's dieting and it washer one cheat meal of the week
and she wants this doublecheeseburger with extra ketchup
on it.
That's her cheat meal andapparently they put too much on
it because she went up to theplace with the thing in hand and
like slammed it down on thecounter and like made a huge
scene and obviously got videoeddoing it and somebody sent that
(40:42):
viral video.
That viral video went viral andthen she lost her job because
of it.
Because her job was like yeah,you don't, you're like you're
representing us out in thecommunity.
People found out where sheworked, and so then they their
job was like yeah, you don't,you're like you're representing
us out in the community.
People found out where sheworked, and so then they their
corporate was like yeah, youcan't be, you can't so, like you
know very, very bigconsequences for doing that.
But the the point that I'mmaking is exactly what you just
(41:03):
said is, like you know, shedidn't have to act like she
acted, but like you can, you canalmost sympathize with the
feeling of like dude this is myone thing Like we don't have a
lot of times in life to everyoneelse.
Speaker 1 (41:14):
It's just a McDonald's hamburger which is
served.
Speaker 2 (41:18):
Yes For her, it was special for her it was yeah, and
, and, like I said a lot oftimes you're, or many times
during life, you're just like Ijust need some, I need one
little.
I need this one little thing,little thing that's like.
That's my little happy thingthat I get, like right now maybe
I might be going through atough time or whatever, but I
have this one thing that I canbe a little bit happy about, you
(41:40):
know, and, and that could be ashow that you watch, and finally
I get home at the end of thenight, I get to watch my two
episodes of this show and itbrings me such happiness because
I can put the other stresses ofthe world out of my mind or
whatever you know and so um, andand us, us observing them, you
know somewhat dispassionately,not exactly objectively right
(42:01):
and look at that lady and belike hey, we get it, but you're
asking an awful lot of thisdouble cheeseburger, right right
.
Speaker 1 (42:09):
You at home are asking an awful lot of this
netflix series you're putting alot of pressure on mcdonald's
yeah, um, but yeah, I think tonot to get too zen on it, but it
seems that a lot of this has todo with some combination of
attachment and expectation yeahyou know what?
What does this?
Speaker 2 (42:26):
value yep mean and therefore how, whether that end
is accepted or not right right,you know, with whether there's
probably even the perspective ofbeginnings too, like whether,
whether this new thing thatreplaces the old thing, yeah is
(42:47):
welcome yeah or seen asbeneficial, and which is
interesting going back to theperspective, because most, most
times, like, let's say thatyou're quitting your job because
you're getting a promotion,like you're going to a new job
that you're not getting apromotion, but you're quitting
your job because you're going toa new job where you're going to
have a.
You know you're going to have ahigher, you know you're going
to go into management or you'regoing to get higher pay or
(43:08):
you're going to somethingpositive, right, so you're,
you're, you're happy that you'requitting your job.
But the interesting thing isthat most of the time humans,
like we, most of the times weresist change as much as
possible.
So like we will go, oh yeah,but I don't know that it's going
to be better.
But in that instance you'relike, ok, at least at that
(43:31):
moment you're like, well, I'mgoing to be getting more money.
Like you're just you're, you'replacing a value on the new
thing and you're devaluing theold thing.
Like, hey, you know, what Idon't like about working here is
this is like my boss, I don'tget paid enough.
They asked me to work overtime,they have me do these stupid
(43:54):
TPS reports or whatever.
You know, like things like that.
Um, you know, and so you'reassuming.
But, like most of the time whenthere's a change, people will
resist that change, even if theythink that it might be good.
Like many times they'll like,yeah, but I don't know that it's
going to be good.
And so I think it's funny thatin certain instances, when you
have that ending that is openingthe new beginning, uh, you're,
you know, you're, you're, you'realmost like talking yourself
(44:14):
into the fact like it is goingto be better.
It's going to be better.
This way it's going to be.
It's it really?
Is.
And you don't know that in any,in either instance, but in one
instance you're like you're,you've convinced yourself and
I've seen especially with the,the job example.
Speaker 1 (44:32):
Um, I've been continuing with this theme of
perspective when it comes toendings yeah I've seen it over
the course of years where howpeople deal with career changes
and this unexpected versusexpected, or accepted versus
unaccepted, and I think a lot ofit has to do with the
(44:54):
perspective of agency.
People will like if say there'sa departmental change, there's
a reorg, it's not a layoff.
Yeah.
It's not a promotion or anything.
It's not necessarily lateral,but there's just a shakeup
because maybe this director isleaving and it makes sense to
merge the two departments, orwhatever, into one.
(45:16):
And now you're in a people arein a situation where the person
who hired them is no longertheir manager.
Someone else is going to betheir manager.
Yeah.
Or the manager they've had foryears isn't no longer going to
be their manager.
Someone else is going to betheir manager, right?
Yeah and that when theyaccepted the change to begin
(45:38):
with to have that first personas their manager, that was an
exercise of agency right.
They agreed to.
You know they.
They signed the um acceptanceletter, the job offer you know,
and it was a mutual thing, right.
But then with this reorg, nowit's, it's a passive thing with
(45:59):
low agency, at least yeahemployee.
You know they don't have a sayin who their manager is going to
be.
Yeah, um.
So it's weird, but a lot oftimes, even when it's not a
layoff situation, it's justsomething like a reorg.
A lot of the best performers,people who were given a lot of
latitude in how they work andwhat they do, will just up and
leave.
They'll take an offer withanother company.
(46:21):
And I think it has to do withthis agency, that autonomy,
where they get to choose whotheir boss is going to be, who
they're going to report to, whothey're going to work with.
Yeah, they get to choose whotheir boss is going to be, who
they're going to report to whothey're going to work with.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (46:31):
Um, well, it's also like the.
The other thing is it's likefor lack of a better term it's
like the B.
It's well, it isn't.
Like it's the beginning of arelationship.
So, as we all know, like thebeginning of the relationship
with anyone, you're sort'reputting your best foot forward
where you're, you know so, soyou, you almost feel like it's
(46:53):
not real.
Right, it's it's not.
Until you get to know someoneand you've been around them for
a number of years.
Some people never, I mean somepeople just always have their
guard up, but most people Ithink most most healthy people
at some point they're like yeah,you know, like, and and
hopefully what you hope is thatthere isn't a huge amount of
deviation, like it wasn't.
Like here's the person when youfirst met them and they're like
(47:15):
way over here when you, whenyou get to know the real them,
right, you hope that there'sjust oh well, yeah, that's not
exactly how they were when Ifirst met them, but it's not
like it's.
Their core values are still thesame, like they're not.
You know, they're not adifferent person completely you
know, um, and so, uh, you knowit's.
it's interesting that that, yeah, I think that goes to the the
(47:39):
change thing where you're againyou're convincing yourself,
you're like, oh yeah, butthey're nice people and at that
point you might hate your boss,you know, you might be at the
point where you're just like I'mjust sick of man.
Every day he comes in nine, 30and he always gets a cup of
coffee and I hate that.
You know, like just whateverthat you know, just like little
things, where just like littlethings are annoying you.
Um, and I've heard similarthings with like long-term
(48:02):
marriages where you know amarriage that might be failing
and going bad.
It's all of a sudden they'relike, yeah, you know what, every
single day, every time they putthe toilet paper on, they put
it going over the top and itneeds to go over the bottom.
They're an idiot, you know.
And it's like, okay, this isn'tabout the toilet paper, this is
about something else, you know.
Speaker 1 (48:18):
And it's.
I mean, that's againexpectations, and some some of
what you're saying makes merealize that I think, well, that
we're talking about a serieslike a tv series, yeah, or a
book that's called a trilogy,you know, or your career, or
even, um, what's like a contract, like contract to hire, or just
(48:40):
there's.
There's basically two kinds ofexpectations indefinite and
definite right, infinite andfinite right.
The marriage is indefinite, acareer is indefinite, meaning
it's gonna go on and on for whoknows how long yeah it should
just, it should just keep goingright, um.
(49:00):
And then there's finite, whereyou know the book series is a
trilogy, or yeah, you know, oryou know it's just one book and
you're gonna read the book andit's going to be done, and
that's fine.
You knew that going into it, um.
But I think when, when it'sconsidered a tragedy is when the
life expectancy is much longerthan its actual lifespan yeah
(49:23):
right, yeah, yeah.
And and that's where somethingit feels like something was cut
short yeah, you got.
You got cheated, you got gypped.
Yeah, um, you did not geteverything you felt you were
promised, right, um, andsometimes I mean, I'd say people
even get frustrated, maybe notas strongly, but like, if it's a
(49:44):
book trilogy or movie trilogy,yeah, and fourth, anyway,
there's a lot of fans who arelike no, the story is done,
don't ruin it by trying to comeup with crap.
After we have all this closure,yeah, like, just let it be,
come up with something new, youknow.
Right.
Right, it's again in that way.
I guess it's the opposite of.
You know, there was a finiteexpectation and now all of a
(50:06):
sudden it's infinite.
Yeah, or indefinite right.
It's like how long is thisgoing to go on?
Right, Shut up and stop takingmy money.
Speaker 2 (50:18):
Yeah, no, I think that's a good point.
I think, yeah.
I also think that, going backto you know that's a lot of
times TV shows are like that, oryou know where it's like, hey,
the source material was books,and the TV show or the movie is
very successful.
So then the money making forcesthat are in play are like well,
(50:38):
wait, apparently the audience.
Yeah.
So apparently the audience islike this we should just do this
again.
But it's like yeah, but there'sno source materials, like it
doesn't matter, We'll just hiresomebody else to write something
.
That is that, you know whatever.
Speaker 1 (50:57):
So it doesn't matter, we'll just hire somebody else
to write something.
That is that you know, whatever.
So, yeah, it's a cash grab,right, right series that go on.
There are tropes that referencesome of that um, like when
happy days had the fawns, yeahright, or water ski and jumped
over a shark jumped the shark,yep yeah, like.
Yeah, there are tv critics andmedia critics who use that as a
phrase.
Right it's like it's in thezeitgeist, yeah yeah, it's like
(51:18):
whenever a show gets to thepoint where the writers have
clearly run out of ideas yep andhave deviated so far from the
intent of.
You know the lore and the storyand the.
You know the purpose of that.
Speaker 2 (51:30):
Yeah, series, whatever it was, I will say I've
watched I've watched seriesangry um knowing that because
I'm like, because I'm potcommitted, so I'm like well,
yeah, this, I hate it, I hatethis, but I'm gonna, I'm gonna,
I'm gonna see this through.
Yeah, like, I'm like this isthe worst food I've ever eaten.
Yeah, yeah, I'm begrudginglyyeah, I will finish this, you're
(51:53):
not gonna stop.
I don't care how bad yourwriting is.
I will watch the last episodeof this.
You know like I'll show themand they're like you showed us.
Oh yeah, thanks for watchingour advertising, sir.
Anyway, um, I did write down acouple other things too.
That, um, that I thought wereendings that, uh, we're not
(52:16):
necessarily we have to talkabout them, but one of the
things.
There are a couple interestingthings.
So, uh, obviously, end of life,you know death, but also end of
youth.
So at some point in your lifeyou feel like, oh man, I'm
getting older and everyone'sgonna have that at some point.
Speaker 1 (52:29):
You're gonna go crisis.
Yeah, I'm getting older andeveryone's going to have that at
some point.
Speaker 2 (52:31):
You're going to go crisis.
Yeah, I'm going through it,it's fine, um so uh, but it it
does tie in with fears, you knowthe the fear of death,
obviously, for the end of life,but also, um, fear of aging.
And then we did, you know,remember, we did like cognitive
biases and we had that declineism.
You know we had that declineism you know we had.
(52:52):
We had ed zinkowitz on andtalked about fear of aging.
Um, I think that there's peoplethat are scared of getting old,
like just not that they'renecessarily scared of death, but
they're just scared of, youknow, not being being here and
being alive, but being.
Speaker 1 (53:04):
I'm not mobile anymore or I can't do what I
used to do, you know there's anentire like two or three
industries around that, likethere's the yeah, makeup and
botox, but even health care yeahthere's a lot to do with, like,
like you're saying, mobility,yeah, relation, don't want to
lose my faculties and myabilities.
Speaker 2 (53:24):
I don't want to lose my vigor and my yeah, well, the
other thing that I saw, too, wasthe end of the calendar year.
You know, you, you talked about, like all, alternate.
You know we talked about goingto bed at night, but every year,
based on our current, you know,our gregorian calendar is a
gregorian calendar.
Right that?
We're on um.
I think so, yeah, me too anyway, we're gonna go with that we're
(53:46):
gonna go with that right now.
So you know, the end of theyear is.
Speaker 1 (53:51):
Gregorian anyways.
Speaker 2 (53:54):
So.
So here's the thing.
It's like it's always built upto be a positive thing.
The end of the year, it'salmost a time of renewal.
We and we had episodes where wetalked about that as well,
where we were talking about newyear's resolutions and it's like
why are you doing new year'sresolutions?
Well, it's like all of a sudden, this artificial time period
ends and you say, well, it'slike all of a sudden, this
artificial time period ends andyou say I got to do something
about that I've been wanting todo and it just seems like a good
time to start.
(54:15):
So you got the January going tothe gym thing.
And you got the January.
I'm going to be on a diet inJanuary, I'm going to stop
smoking and drinking andwhatever that might be.
Usually it's vices.
That's that's what I, what I'vecome to conclude.
But I just think that that'sinteresting, that that ending
almost has a renewing, you know,a positive spin to it for most
(54:35):
people.
Most people like I don't knowpeople that are like, uh, the
year's ending this sucks, I hatethis, it's terrible.
You know, like you just don'thear that a lot.
I mean, I'm sure there arepeople that have that, but um,
but yeah it's focusing on what'snext instead of what's lost.
Speaker 1 (54:49):
right, what's new instead of what's lost.
Right, what's new instead ofwhat's lost.
Even I think that's what afunction of religion.
Right, there's the afterlife,or reincarnation.
Yeah, yeah.
Karma like good karma, ofcourse, uh, in this example is
don't, don't dwell on what andmaybe we're sort of slipping
into our next episode, but youknow but don't dwell on what you
(55:11):
lost, but dwell on what yougained, yeah.
Speaker 2 (55:14):
Yeah, which is good.
That means that we're perfectlydovetailing and or getting
towards the end of this episode,and I know it's sad, it's an
ending of this episode, but it'sthe beginning of the next.
Don't say goodbye, yes.
So no, I think that's right.
I think that in our nextepisode we talk about some of
the things and how you deal withchange.
(55:36):
I always say change, but reallythat's what an ending is, I
think is just it's some type ofa change.
Speaker 1 (55:41):
Specific kind of change.
Speaker 2 (55:43):
Yeah, something that was going is now stopping.
Right, and so we deal with.
What are what?
What are?
Some of the people say that umare basically giving advice
about how to deal with that kindof things, and I I have a
feeling we're going to get alittle bit into what you just
talked about, but also get intostages of grief a little bit,
which we've gone over in ourpodcast and other other things
(56:05):
that we've talked about in ourpodcast.
So Yep.
Speaker 1 (56:08):
Stay tuned until next episode.
Speaker 2 (56:11):
Yes, please, we'll deal with it.
We'll deal with it.
All right, deal with it, people.
All right, see you Bye.
Welcome to Help Yourself.
Food and Philosophy with Brianand Nick.
I'm Nick and I'm Brian.
To everything there is a season, a time for every purpose under
heaven, a time to be born andto die, to plant and uproot, to
kill and to heal, to build upand destroy, to cry and to laugh
(00:27):
, mourn and dance.
What's cheating Brian?
Speaker 2 (00:34):
I feel like that's a song that's you know.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
It's a song and kind of a psalm Right.
It's in the Bible A psalm songNear psalms yeah, it's a book
very close to psalm, right inthe bible.
A psalm, psalm, your psalms.
Yeah, it's a book very close topsalms yeah, what am I eating?
Speaker 2 (00:52):
I uh went to mexican food last night with actually
ordered and took it back to thehouse so got to go with my
family.
But then I planned for, becauseI like it so much, we haven't
been to that go to go with myfamily.
But then I planned for, becauseI like it so much, we haven't
been to that, yeah, we haven't.
Uh, we haven't gone to thatrestaurant in a while.
And so I was like, well, I'mgoing to get two burritos.
(01:14):
So I got two burritos lastnight and I left the.
I ate the leftover one thismorning.
I mean the intentional leftover, and so it wasn't hot, it was
just sort of like roomtemperature.
But the their burritos, are sogood that I um, you know, I
really really enjoyed it.
Uh, the one thing I did noticethis morning, though, so it's,
it was a carnitas burrito, whichis pork, obviously.
(01:36):
Obviously, everyone knows that,obviously, you know.
Come on, if you don't know that, then stop.
Then stop listening.
Oh gosh, we just lost our onelistener yeah, I saw that drop
too.
It's all right, keep going so,um, so it's seasoned pork and
it's shredded up and it's in aburrito they put.
(01:59):
There's no cheese in thisburrito, it's just, uh,
guacamole and some pico and Ithink that's it.
I think it's just like a verysimple, pretty protein forward
like meat burrito, no beans, norice, nothing.
I mean, it's just, it's astraight up meat, meat and
veggies.
Yeah, meat and veggies,basically.
(02:20):
So the thing that I noticedtoday, which I didn't notice
yesterday when I was eating itis and maybe because it was warm
, it was, so the flavors meldedtogether a little bit better.
But I feel like they put sugarin their Pico de Gallo because
it was sweet.
Like they're and I know thatsome people do that They'll do
like salt and sugar to make thePico a little bit, have a little
(02:41):
bit of a sweetness to it, or itcould have just been the
natural sweetness of thetomatoes, but it seemed like it
wasn't Um and so.
So that was the one thing thatsort of turned me off a little
bit today.
Just um, I was like when.
I ate it.
I was like and also it might'vebeen that there were a couple
big bites in there that I gotalmost all pico in it, like it
(03:02):
was just just, it was likeclumped in there and you know,
and so it wasn't evenlydistributed and so I got like a
bite that was like just tortillaand a big chunk of pico de
gallo and um, but I mean,overall it was good, it wasn't
like it was bad, like I was like, oh, I'm not eating this, this
is terrible.
I'm gonna spit it out, but Ijust noticed that today, um, and
(03:24):
then, uh, they, they do, Ithink.
I believe that they make theirown tortillas there, because the
tortillas are always reallygood, which is another bonus
when you have burritos, you know, um, to have a decent wrap
around it, you know, uh, onethat doesn't break open and
things like that.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
So you can actually hold?
Speaker 2 (03:45):
Yeah, exactly, and the the I also did have with it.
They have these little tinycups like maybe one ounce, maybe
half an ounce, actually it'sprobably like a super tiny
little cup of they have red andgreen salsa, and so I had that
and the.
The weird thing is that and Ido this with Taco Bell also, I
don't know if anybody else outthere does this, or if you do
(04:07):
this, you probably not, butbecause it's a weird intricacy
is that instead of putting thesalsa on the burrito, it's like
it looked like a little shot cup, so like, literally, I would
just take a bite and then Iwould just take a little shot of
like while the bite was in mymouth, I take a little shot of
the salsa, so then it's allmixed in my mouth.
So, um, I don't know if otherpeople do that or not, but uh,
(04:30):
I'm not afraid to be weird but Ido that.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
I've not heard of anyone else doing that,
including myself, of course.
Um, I will be kind of weird andI'll put the sauce, like a
little bit of the sauce, onbefore I take a bite, kind of
like a toothpaste myrtle yeah,you put a little bit on, bite a
little bit on, yeah I've seenthat before.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
I just have, so like I thought that was weird.
But with taco bell.
I did that like taco bell hasthe packets, you know, and so
I've seen people do that withthe packets, like put it on and
then take a bite.
Put it on, take a bite.
But I do that even with thepackets.
I'll open like a corner of thepacket and I'll take a bite of
my burrito and then I squirt alittle bit from the packet in my
mouth and so yeah, it's weird,it's weird stuff.
The other thing is with this isanother weird intricacy.
(05:23):
I know I'm going off totallyoff off the rails already, but
is that?
Speaker 1 (05:28):
too, bright.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
So.
So the other thing that I doand I've done this since college
is when you get like a reallegitimate burrito, like not not
a burrito from like Taco Bellor something, but like
legitimate, like big fat, likefootball size burrito, like from
a Mexican place.
Right Is that I will?
So last night, what I did is Iput it on a plate, I unrolled
(05:50):
the burrito and opened it up, Ipoured salsa and guacamole and
queso over all the innards of itand then I ate all the inside
out of the burrito and then Ithere's just like remnants left
in there and then I just rollthe whole thing up at the end
and eat like a semi-filled orlike partially filled or like a
deflated burrito.
Yeah, like a yeah, that's.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
That's a good way to put it that's a good way to put
it yeah so what does that do foryou like?
Speaker 1 (06:16):
why is it?
Just because you know, then,that the burrito is not
overstuffed and it's easier tohandle, or I think so flavor of
dough or I do.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Actually I don't know that's something actually last
night.
That I was saying is like Iactually like I know some I've I
listened to some other podcaststhat do like food review stuff
and they're always like these.
The tortilla was gummy and itwas this, and I actually sort of
like that doughy kind of whenit's like slightly soggy.
It's not soggy all the waythrough, but it's like the
inside of it's soggy.
The outside is still dry, butwhen you eat it it's almost like
(06:45):
a little bit of a dough ballkind of thing and um, I don't
know I like that consistency inthat, and if it's a good
tortilla too, I mean, I believethe tortilla actually has a good
flavor to it, so so, anyway, Idid that.
I do that as well, which isfreak but, um, all right, moving
(07:07):
on.
Uh, uh, you do you you'reexactly not afraid to be your
own person, right?
Don't apologize for that.
So I've got my normal ironflask uh, cooling thing with
cold water in it that I'mdrinking.
I did mention to you.
I did order a new one.
I'm getting rid of this onebecause the.
If you hear through themicrophone any kind of slurping,
it's because the I don't know Ithink it's the silicone seal or
(07:29):
something is going in the inthe straw.
So whenever I drink out of itit makes like a gurgling sound
and it's just sort ofembarrassing when you're around
other people.
So so I so I bought myself anew.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
A new uh, bottle grown man sipping through a city
cup.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Yeah, exactly yeah exactly, and then the other
drink that I have.
I found out about this a coupleweeks ago.
I was chaperoning band camp,and uh, and so band camp is you
live in the dorms at a college,which was very strange, um you
didn't start the story right,you could be like this one, this
one time exactly one time atband camp, I was living in dorms
(08:07):
when I was a 51 year old man umstop being, stop doing you bud.
Yeah so I I happen to be bandcamp.
One of the things that happensis lots of things need to get
purchased, like kids will forgetthings.
You get there and you're like,oh, I'm going to go get some
snacks or you know, just otherthings.
(08:27):
So there's a Walmart like rightdown the road, like literally
two minutes away.
So usually during that weekthere's, you know, bunches of
trips to Walmart and I rarely goto Walmart but I so when I go
there I see all these productsand things that I'm like I've
never seen that before.
So I don't know if you've everheard of sparkling ice, but,
like, if you go to thesupermarket it's like a, it's
(08:48):
just a fruit drink, you know, um, but at the supermarket they
just have regular flavors, likeraspberry, you know whatever.
So I go to, uh, on an end capin um, in walmart they had them
on sale for like a dollar and Iwas looking at them.
So this is sparkling icestarburst flavor and this is the
orange starburst and itliterally tastes like melted
(09:11):
starbursts inside a thing.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
Now, the cool thing about it is starburst it does.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
It's it tastes like they like liquefied starburst
and put it in there.
You know so.
So, anyway, the cool thing isthis is this it's also zero
sugar.
It's a zero sugar version of it.
So this bottle is only fivecalories and it doesn't have
anything else in it.
It doesn't have I don't knowwhat the sweetener agent is in
it, but, um, probably.
I don't know, I didn't, I didn'teven look but it has no
(09:38):
caffeine.
It has it's low calorie, it hassupposed.
Supposedly it has antioxidantsin it, like it has like vitamin
b6 and B12 and all that stuff.
And it's only five calories forthe bottle and it's actually
pretty good.
I mean honestly, like it's agood change.
And it's only, again, for fivecalories and it being zero sugar
, I'm like I wouldn't eat, Iwouldn't want to drink five of
(09:59):
them a day, but like you know,especially that they're cheap,
like they're, I think, this oneI got at kroger and it was a
dollar 25 for the bottle, so, um, so yeah so that's my uh oh,
and then the other thing I hadwas I made my own um iced coffee
this morning, which is thestoke coffee, s-t-o-k.
(10:23):
That coffee.
And then I've been using acoconut how, what do they call
it?
It's like coconut cream creamerfrom um coffee mate, and it I.
I don't know if I've talkedabout this before, but I,
honestly, if you'd said, yeah,coconut flavor with coffee goes
well together, I would be like Idon't know about that.
(10:45):
That doesn't sound right.
It doesn't sound like it wouldtaste good but, it's honestly
really good.
So, um, so I put a little splashof that in there.
I've been trying to wean myselfoff of it because it has sugar
in it.
You know it's calories, but Itry to do like a little splash
of it, not too much, and itgives a good flavor.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
Good flavor, um, and it does my sweetener and it's a
little bit of a creamer, so soyeah, so that's yeah I used to
go like there was a coffee shopdownstairs from the place I
worked several years ago yeahand downtown right.
So it was expensive.
But I would spend money thereand spend too much.
(11:23):
But.
But when I went I got I namedmy own flavor, like I'd gone
enough that they knew me and I'dnamed my own flavor.
I would get whatever drink withhazelnut, syrup, coconut and
what's the other.
I just had it.
(11:46):
I think it was almond oh reallyand uh, and I called it a loco
nut that sounds, that actuallysounds interesting, yeah, it was
good, really, really sweet,though, because there's a lot of
syrup yeah not not healthy atall, so I don't do it anymore.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
I haven't tried to recreate it anywhere else yeah,
I don't know if that I found aplace that has coconut syrup,
like even starbucks doesn't havea coconut syrup if you look at
coconut milk, though, you couldoh yeah, milk and almond milk
and then hazelnut syrup yeah andwell and you'll have to, you
know, go to the doctor to getinsulin.
You're like you could just doall of this high saturated fat
(12:29):
and sugar.
That's perfect.
Yeah, all right, that's my BBC.
What?
Speaker 1 (12:38):
are you eating and drinking?
I'm eating.
Good news and bad news-ish Badnews-ish.
I'm on bone broth diet againuh-huh good news ish is today
was a cheat meal oh nice um, orI guess, as was last night.
So last night I got half of acauliflower pizza that I like to
(13:00):
get from judets Pizza, and thentoday were the leftovers, so I
had the other half.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
Nice.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
The cauliflower crust is one of those sort of
personal size, so yeah.
Eating half of this pizza.
What is it like?
A 10 inch pizza is prettyreasonable as a meal.
Yeah, normally I could eat thewhole pizza, maybe even a couple
of breadsticks, you know, um,but yeah, so I had.
(13:31):
I had a half of that, which iswhat toppings were on it yeah,
it's instead of pizza sauce.
It was ranch.
Okay, I might have describedthis setup before.
It's my go-to um.
So ranch instead of tomatosauce, with a little bit of like
a light amount of the red chilipaste, yeah, or sauce, red
(13:57):
chili sauce, sweet chili sauce,um, and then Italian sausage,
green peppers, onions, so sortof like a breakfast burrito.
Okay.
And oh and, with Chet's Pizzayou can flavorize your crust for
(14:17):
free.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Oh yeah, I know there's all those options.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
Yeah, I'll put a Cajun plus butter.
The butter is to counteractsome of the Cajun.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
They're the only place that offers that too.
I haven't seen another placethat offers like, and also it
doesn't cost any money to do it.
They're just like yeah, whatflavor you want, we don't care,
we're Jet's Pizza, we don't care.
That's their slogan.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
So true, the one I go to is really close to where I
live and I've I've had to swearlike I can't justify getting it
delivered anymore yeah I used tothinking like, hey, I'll throw
him a bone, this is a quick,quick, easy win.
They can write it to me quick,no big deal, and invariably it
(15:03):
gets messed up.
Yeah, I guess they just waituntil they have other deliveries
or and yeah, get to mindeventually or they forget
something.
You know it's like.
Yeah, it's just worse.
So I just I just save the moneyand do the carry out yeah,
(15:23):
that's.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
I mean yeah because I I know how close that is for
you.
Like you you were I met.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
I remember you said, yeah, I could see it from my
window, you know like yeah, frommy back windows, yeah, yeah,
I'm drinking so again becauseit's a cheap meal.
I've got the from starbucks agrande fondue, chocolate foam
cold brew.
Oh dude.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
Yes, the cold foam is good.
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
And they gave us so much cold foam that it was to
the brim, so I couldn't put thelid on my personal cup, so I
just had to drink some of thatstraight.
Yeah, I get Dory's help to havesome of that straight, and then
I've got water in a glassbottle.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
Nice, good stuff.
I feel like I'm forgettingsomething that's that's an
unusual is that is the cold, isthe cold chocolate foam because
of cheat day yeah, no yeah, Iget yeah, because I you don't
get that normally yeah andnormally get decaf, and on bone
broth it's non-cheat days, it'sblack.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
You don't add sugar, you don't add creamer.
Right.
If you have coffee at all, it'sblack.
Yeah.
Or I think they sell some stuffthat is safe to get on the
diets.
There's probably like somethingI could make or dory could make
, that would be creamy orcreamish yeah but it's just not
(16:52):
worth it.
It's better to get used to andappreciate black coffee yeah, oh
yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
I wish I could.
I really.
I've tried before and I justwhat I usually.
If I need to go back to havingcaffeine, I probably wouldn't go
back to black coffee, I wouldgo to like some kind of a, like
an energy drink that has thesame amount of caffeine as a
strong cup of coffee in it.
You know something like that.
That's a zero calorie kind ofthing, rather than.
You know, I, since I drink icedcoffee so much, I don't care
(17:20):
that much that it's hot, and soI just go back to something like
a zoa or a you know, I don'tknow, there's thousands of them
now.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
So, and there is, like, all of those artificial
sweeteners, though we're off,off limits too, for bone broth
oh really so you couldn't evendo that.
Aspartame, yeah, yeah and, andthat was that came to mind,
actually, when you were talkingabout your burrito being sweet
oh yeah the being on the diet.
There are things that aren'tnormally sweet, that taste sweet
(17:51):
whenever I cheat and it's likewhat isn't it eight?
Granted they were crepes.
I think crepes do have somesweetness to them usually they.
Yeah it just it tasted reallysweet.
Oh, Like I could tell it had todo more with my taste buds
changing than it was the dishitself.
(18:12):
Yeah.
But yeah, it was.
It was another cheat day.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Well, let's, uh, let's, bring this section to an
end and uh try to get onto ourtopic.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
That's fair.
I think it's time.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
I hope our audience can deal with the end of that
segment and go to the next one.
You know, yeah.
Yeah, so what are we going totalk about?
Endings?
Oh wow, that's crazy.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
All good things come to an end, and also the food
portion of our conversation.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
Has come to an end.
Also, our the food portion ofour conversation has come to an
end.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
Yeah, well, where do we want to start, is the
question uh, well, there, I meanthere's a lot to say about it
and like I mean, I don't knowwho've said, who said it, but
like everything, everything endsright.
Right, then again, it's all amatter of perspective right
(19:14):
that's probably why I chose theEcclesiastes quote, because it,
when one season ends likeanother begins yeah you know,
like when there's nothingbetween war and peace, it's a
bit of yin and yang.
Yeah, there's the circle ofeverything and we've sort of
(19:37):
drawn this arbitrary linebetween them.
But it's more like a cloud andwe've drawn a line to make that
blurred concept more, moredistinct.
But we definitely have a senseof ending right.
Yeah, I mean, even animals doyeah, I think.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
I think also, like there's a thing, like some, some
endings are more grandiose thanothers and others are just, you
know, just a.
I mean, you don't think aboutit every night, but every night
you go to bed, that's the end ofthe day, like that's the last
time you're going to beconscious and and recognizing
that every night yeah, it's justsaying mild existential crisis
(20:19):
of like that's it yeah, it'slike like like what if?
Speaker 1 (20:24):
like what if.
I don't wake up or what Like alittle bit yeah, or knowing
what's ahead of me has alreadyhappened.
Yeah.
When you're a kid, each day isa new day.
Yeah, and the older you get,the more mundane and routine
things are.
There's not much to lookforward to, Except for the
(20:46):
current moment is nice.
And so, yeah, I want thecurrent moment to keep going,
and that that often plays into,you know, yeah, me staying up so
late yeah, that's delaying,that's delaying an end.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Right there you're basically like hey, how do I put
this off?
You know?
Speaker 1 (21:01):
right, but it's delaying the inevitable, right,
but much like you know, puttingon taking botox or putting on
makeup or, yeah, you know, evenum exercise you're.
You're delaying the inevitableright.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
Well, I'm glad you, I'm glad you mentioned so early
in this conversation aboutperspective, just because I
think basically most of ourtopics a lot oh, I would say
most, yeah, I'd.
Basically most of our topics alot oh, I would say most, yeah,
I'd say most of our topics havesome aspect of perspective of
what is your?
You know how you, how do yousee things, how do you, what
lenses are you viewing the worldthrough?
Or your world, you know?
(21:39):
Um, but yeah, it's uh, which isinteresting, because going to
bed the night before you'reabout to get on a plane the next
morning and go on vacation isdifferent than going to bed the
net, you know, the night beforeyou have a big event or
something that's stressful atwork or something like that.
Those are two different things.
So it's just, you know, notthat that's profound or anything
(22:00):
, but it's just it's interestingto think about.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
Yeah, and there's all kinds of neutral ends as well,
like just breathing about.
Yeah, and there's all kinds ofneutral ends as well, like just
breathing in.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
Yeah, you got to stop at some point, micro, micro
yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
Yeah, yeah, it's.
Uh, we don't think about it,but like, yeah, that that comes
to an end.
So that something else canbegin.
Yeah.
Um, but yeah, there's definitelylike in terms of that
perspective.
I think the other thing is, youknow, because we're so,
(22:35):
everyone bring out your bingocards, yes, in in toastmasters
when, when you've done your bestfor a speech or not, or
whatever, nerves have builtbuilt up in your mind leading up
to giving that speech, whenthat speech is over, maybe
there's a modicum of sadnessthat that's come to an end, but
(22:58):
most of it is relief yeah likeyou know, or you're
participating in some conferenceor training and you're, and you
know, have responsibilities forit, and I mean that's over.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
It feels so good yes, I think you can just not have
any obligations for a littlewhile and just I think, that,
honestly, I feel like I get amicro dose of that almost every
week when we have ourtoastmasters meeting.
I get a micro dose of I, you,you know usually all of us,
since our club has a certainamount of people, all of us are
(23:29):
participating most meetings,right, and that could be
something really simple, or itcould be you're giving a speech,
or it could be they get calledon for table topics, question,
whatever that is.
But the thing is you, you getdone with the meeting and you
feel like you did something.
You feel like, oh, okay, that'sbehind me now.
Like you did something.
You feel like, okay, that'sbehind me now.
And so because, despite whatpeople tell you, I know, like
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professional speakers will say,I don't get nervous at all.
It's like, no, you still getnervous, you just know how to
deal with it.
Like you've done it so manytimes that it just doesn't feel
like being nervous anymore.
It doesn't.
It doesn't feel like theconnotation of a negativity, of,
oh my gosh, I'm going to.
You know all the things that goalong with nerves and speaking.
And I think, even years andyears in, as both you and I are
(24:12):
with Toastmasters, it's like youstill get nervous when you go
up and give a speech, or whenyou compete, or when you you
know you're just.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
It never goes away, you know Um well, yeah, I think
that might have to do with atthe risk of going off topic a
bit.
Nervousness comes from.
It's a function of how much youcare and what you care about
when you're inexperienced.
Your nervousness has manysources and many outcomes that
you're worried about.
(24:39):
You're worried aboutembarrassing yourself, you're
worried about being made fun of,you're worried about not doing
well, you're worried about yourmessage being misunderstood and
you're worried about not doingwell.
You're worried about yourmessage being misunderstood,
your message coming across, allkinds of stuff.
But then, when you get good, alot of those nerves go away
right and if you don't careabout anything else, a lot of
the personal nerves go away.
Then you might not be sonervous, but there's still the
(25:03):
nervousness about you know, isthe audience going to hear?
What I feel they need to hear,you know, is the message that
I'm working so hard on, that Icare for them about so much the
audience going to receive whatI'm sending?
Is it going to serve them like Iwant to serve them?
(25:23):
Is it going to do the good Iwant it to do?
And some people don't even care.
They just want to check the boxin their project.
Right, and that's that.
So they're not nervous oncethey feel like they got the
skills.
But then others who who have apurpose, might have a sense of
nervousness knowing that theymight fail in that purpose.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
Um yeah, but also, isn't that a factor of an ending
, though, is that you know that,hey, this is my shot.
You know not to get all eminemon you, whatever, but you know,
or hamilton, or hamilton.
Yeah, exactly, this is my oneshot, you know, uh, you, you
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recognize that like this, is it?
You don't get like a do-over,you don't, you know.
So it's like there's an endingthat's hurling towards you,
meaning the ending of the speech, the ending of your time on
stage or the ending of your timeto present whatever material
you want to present, and soyou're almost in anticipation,
like man.
I hope I say everything I wantto say before that ending
(26:22):
happens.
You know, because when the redcard goes up and they're like,
get off stage, you're done right, so there could be a tie there
yeah, I think with endingsthere's.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
You know, like again I opened up with with
ecclesiastes.
You know there's a time and aplace yeah for everything, um,
and I think the negativefeelings we have about endings,
you know, even say death iswe're trying to cling to
something that is no more, or isabout to be like.
(26:56):
Everything is a moment, livingin the moment yeah um, we
believe we're one of the fewentities on the planet, or any
any life form, that has aconcept of long-term future and
long-term past.
Yeah.
And are aware of our ownmortality and so like, when
something we got something goodgoing, we don't want it to end.
(27:20):
Yeah, Um, even like goodstories, you know good books or
good series on Netflix orwhatever.
Uh huh.
They're.
The zeitgeist is trying to comeup with a term for the, the,
the morning that some people gothrough when their favorite
series comes to an end.
They've got post book blues andbook hangover.
(27:43):
Right.
Um, I think that's kind of anedge case that, like from what I
see from people and Iexperienced myself, I can enjoy
a good book and let it end rightand and I don't feel remorse or
regret or sadness that it'scome to a close like it.
It had a beginning and a middleand end.
(28:05):
I have a sense of completenessand closure.
It was a satisfying conclusionright but then, like tv series,
almost a cliche in that thereare many more times than not
they seem to have unsatisfyingendings.
Right, some people have liketheir top five best, uh, you
(28:28):
know season finales where theyactually give that sense of
closure that people crave.
But most, it seems like most ofthe time it's unsatisfying
either because the writersdidn't have time to yeah, to
write in the clothes.
Um, well, it's funny, but likethings, up.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
It's funny that you just you were talking about so
you're talking about the endingsof movies and books and things
like that.
And you know, you remember,yesterday I did a table topics
question that was talking,actually did I I don't know my,
I don't know if I gave this toyou or not, but it was basically
talking about, um, what?
Now I completely I forgot whatthe tabletop question was.
(29:06):
It was talking about, um, oh,the book being better than the
movie.
When I was like, name a timewhen, name a time when you think
that the, that the movie, wasactually better than the book,
right?
Um, yes, yeah, and I don'tthink you asked, you didn't ask,
I didn't ask that.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
Yeah, I think you asked mary that.
Mary, yeah, I did, but but sohere's.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
Here's the thing that I just, when you were talking
about that, it reminded me of it, and the reason why is because
I was thinking why is it thatthat, first of all, that happens
, and then also thatdissatisfaction with an ending
of a series or something else,and in my head I was thinking,
well, wait, so a book is writtenby, in essence, essence, one
author.
I mean, you've got, yeah, youhave editors and you have other
(29:50):
people that are probably goingto be helping along the way, but
it's the author's piece of work, whereas a series or a movie,
there's probably could behundreds of people that have
some say in the actual contentthat ultimately gets produced,
and so that ending might be like, first of all, it might not
even be the people that startedwriting the series at the
(30:11):
beginning, and then, anyway,this is a totally off subject,
but it's, but it's talking aboutthe endings of things, so Sure.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
Well, I mean, yeah, there's.
But I think there's.
There's too many for people whohave unsatisfying endings in
their life.
Maybe that's the fact thatthere's too many uh writers in
the room right you know whetherthat's multiple personalities,
(30:40):
yeah or um, maybe theirworldview keeps changing.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
Well, here's a question for you what this is.
This is going to be a littlebit of a tabletop.
This question is and I'm, I'm,I don't know the answer to this.
I don't know how I would answer, but what do you think so?
Do you think, whether or not,like how much control you have
over an ending in your life, doyou think that that has any
effect how you deal with it?
Because, like, for instance, if, let's say, you you're quitting
(31:08):
a job, so you're, you're incontrol there, or somebody
breaks up with you like you knowwhat, I mean.
Or a job fires you.
You know two different thingshere.
Right.
Does that affect how you know?
Does that affect that ending?
Does that I mean?
Do you deal with it in the sameway?
Is it a you know?
I guess I mean again, it'sgoing back to the perspective,
but you know.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
I think so.
I think that's a lot to do withit, that it, um, I think
there's.
I think there's two changecurves that in psychology and
the way I see it is there's.
They're based on whether it wasa welcome change or an
unwelcome change, Like there'splenty of people who get laid
(31:50):
off and say thank you, yeahRight, they get their severance
package Like, oh man, I'm soglad Cause I was trying to
figure out how I'm going to quit, you know, Um, but it's.
It's like the getting the payraise is a change and it's a
welcome change.
Right.
And then having a death in thefamily who's a loved one is an
(32:10):
unwelcome change.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
Right.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
But then the uncle who has a lot of money, who
nobody, nobody liked.
Yeah Is that's a welcome change.
Mm-hmm.
Um, and I think, depending onhow welcome or unwelcome it is,
it it speeds along which stagesof grief you go through, or how
fast, or how short, how long yougo through.
(32:33):
You know, like you don't havemuch denial or bargaining.
When you were praying for thisday to come, you've already gone
through all the bargaining.
You've been bargaining in yourhead of, like, okay, what am I
going to do when this happens?
Yeah, or how am I going to feelwhen this happens?
Happens like you've alreadysort of thought that all through
, you're prepared.
(32:53):
Um, you're literally lookingforward to it.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
When we use that phrase to imply positive
connotation, but looking forward, just another word for planning
yeah you know like lookingahead, so well, I think you're,
I think you're hitting on asubject that we will be talking
a little bit more about, whichis dealing with that, you know
dealing with the dealing withthe endings.
But but yeah, I think I thinkyou're right, I think I also
think this I think that what'sstrange to me about endings is
(33:18):
that they change over time.
So something that, as anexample, so my I've said this
story before but my, my, youknow my father dying when I was
19,.
You know at the time is verytragic and sudden and you know
all this stuff.
But now, having 30 years ofperspective on it, there are
things that I could look at andsay you know what, I'm, who I am
(33:41):
now because that happened, andin a positive way.
And so at the time, obviouslyit was this terrible thing.
It's like, wow, what am I goingto do?
I, my dad's gone.
And then you know later, you'relike, oh well, if, if that
hadn't wouldn't have happened, Idon't know if I'd be where I am
today or if I had done, wouldhave done the things I have done
(34:02):
over the years, because it wasall framed by that, or a lot was
framed by that.
So so it's funny to me thatthings can change.
Obviously, that's just achanging of perspective of and
you actually going through that,those you know.
So what we've talked aboutbefore, the stages of grief and
having that getting to thatacceptance stage where you're
like, okay, you know, you get tothat acceptance stage and you
(34:23):
say that happened and it's apart of my life.
And you know that happened andit's a part of my life.
And you know, still, it stillmakes me sad to this day.
But at the same time, I have somuch time behind me now that
it's like I've accepted the fact.
You know it's not, I'm notdwelling on it.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
So I think, another aspect of perspective you know
you mentioned earlier the theday ends, but that's, that's
just a human construct from oursleep cycles.
Right like the the earth, theearth didn't slow down in its
rotation yeah you know, and it'sno further or closer to the sun
(35:02):
or any any of that like it'sthe sun or any any of that like
it's.
It's just we're just clockingthe, the spin, right, yeah, um,
and we we happen to have anending that that's a signal for
us biologically of like, okay,melatonin is kicked in and all
this other stuff.
We need to sleep right to gothrough all that process and rem
and everything um rem yes shinyhappy people that's me in
(35:27):
the corner um me in thespotlight I don't know what to
do, uh, but you know, roads endletters end with a salutation
right.
As much of that, um yeah, Ithink so.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
Here's the funny thing I I pulled up this.
This might be a good time topull this in.
I pulled up an article fromsomeone.
Uh, it's the things.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
The things I learned from dot com oh wait, is that
the name of the website?
Speaker 2 (36:01):
yeah, it's the things I learned okay yeah, the things
I learned from dot com.
Uh, too long of a website name,but I I understand a lot of
domains already taken, butthat's okay.
It should be things I learnedfrom blankcom.
Just go visit my website.
It's the things I learned fromlife that I still think are
(36:26):
goodcom.
Anyway sorry, sorry to JenGlantz, who's the owner of this
website.
It's nice.
You're a nice person, I'm sure.
So she has a thing on here.
That is 12 things that end toofast, so it's an interesting
thing.
So one of them, so the veryfirst one, is sort of Baseball
(36:46):
games.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
Sorry, I'm kidding.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
No, the very first one is the last couple, and what
I like about this list is sheactually like frames these for
you.
She just doesn't say like books, right.
So she said the last couplepages of a book that you've
invested so much time andemotion in, so like you know, so
much so that you reference thecharacters often in your real
(37:10):
life and you know, so it's good.
She goes on and mentions somecharacters and things like that,
um, and she said you actuallylike start to read slower
because you're like I don't wantthis book to end, you know, um,
which is really interesting, um, some of the other things, uh,
one she just said Sundays.
So not, not like not.
(37:31):
S A S S U N D A E S S U N D A YS.
So you know that that wholethat whole Sunday or Sunday
night blues or whatever.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
Yeah, it's like it's.
It's it's case of the Monday'sEve.
Yes, yes.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
Yeah.
She said, uh, what else did shesay?
She said, um, like, here's herframing of your, so she wanted
your vacation.
But then it has a dash.
It says especially when thatvacation is in the middle of a
terrible New York winter andyou're on the beach somewhere
sipping a pina colada and yourbiggest worry is remembering to
reapply sunscreen every 30minutes.
So, like, the reason why I likethese framing things is because
(38:11):
it goes exactly what we're justtalking about.
She's giving the perspectiveexactly, which is, which is
actually pretty cool.
So thanks, jen, glance of.
I always like things that needto be saidcom.
Um, that's like trademark brandbrown, redacted um so here's,
(38:34):
here's one we already talkedabout this from your eating
thing.
So number 11 on her list is aslice of pizza.
And then she says becauseyou've made a, because you've
made a pretty terrible decisionto order just one and it's so
insanely good and you're tryingto make it last forever.
So you know, order a slice ofpizza and you're like, I'm
really trying to, I'm reallytrying to not eat a whole pizza,
(38:57):
and she, or so she's talkingabout ordering a slice of pizza.
She obviously is from New York.
She at least she referenced NewYork earlier.
So I'm assuming I'm assumingthat she's, she's a New Yorker
and she does street food.
You know, get a slice of pizzawhile you're walking down the
street or whatever, um.
But anyway, I'm not going to gothrough the whole list, but
like, I think that's really cool, like I think, um, I think the
(39:18):
um, like I said, thatperspective that she's putting
on those things is, is what isnecessary for you to go.
Oh yeah, you know what?
Because you might say a sliceof pizza, but then you're like,
yeah, last slice of pizza I hadwas crappy, but she's like, but
what if it's one that you'relike really hungry, and you got
the perfect toppings and it hasthe perfect mix of ranch and
chili sauce on it and it youknow and, and what happens when
(39:42):
it's your one cheap meal yes,mess it up yes, it's you get so
sad, you get so sad yeah, oneand a half times too much.
Speaker 1 (39:50):
Ranch dressing, pizza soup.
Yeah, yeah, you're like dang it.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
The loss of your cheat meal there's actually a
recently this is actually thisis not off the subject, but it's
.
It's exactly what you were justtalking about which is there
was a viral video recently ofthis woman who she went into a
McDonald's and she ordered likeshe ordered I think it was a
double cheeseburger, and sheordered extra ketchup on it,
like I want extra ketchup, andshe.
(40:21):
What we come to find out lateris that it was her cheat meal
like she's dieting and it washer one cheat meal of the week
and she wants this doublecheeseburger with extra ketchup
on it.
That's her cheat meal andapparently they put too much on
it because she went up to theplace with the thing in hand and
like slammed it down on thecounter and like made a huge
scene and obviously got videoeddoing it and somebody sent that
(40:42):
viral video.
That viral video went viral andthen she lost her job because
of it.
Because her job was like yeah,you don't, you're like you're
representing us out in thecommunity.
People found out where sheworked, and so then they their
job was like yeah, you don't,you're like you're representing
us out in the community.
People found out where sheworked, and so then they their
corporate was like yeah, youcan't be, you can't so, like you
know very, very bigconsequences for doing that.
But the the point that I'mmaking is exactly what you just
(41:03):
said is, like you know, shedidn't have to act like she
acted, but like you can, you canalmost sympathize with the
feeling of like dude this is myone thing Like we don't have a
lot of times in life to everyoneelse.
Speaker 1 (41:14):
It's just a McDonald's hamburger which is
served.
Speaker 2 (41:18):
Yes For her, it was special for her it was yeah, and
, and, like I said a lot oftimes you're, or many times
during life, you're just like Ijust need some, I need one
little.
I need this one little thing,little thing that's like.
That's my little happy thingthat I get, like right now maybe
I might be going through atough time or whatever, but I
have this one thing that I canbe a little bit happy about, you
(41:40):
know, and, and that could be ashow that you watch, and finally
I get home at the end of thenight, I get to watch my two
episodes of this show and itbrings me such happiness because
I can put the other stresses ofthe world out of my mind or
whatever you know and so um, andand us, us observing them, you
know somewhat dispassionately,not exactly objectively right
(42:01):
and look at that lady and belike hey, we get it, but you're
asking an awful lot of thisdouble cheeseburger, right right
.
Speaker 1 (42:09):
You at home are asking an awful lot of this
netflix series you're putting alot of pressure on mcdonald's
yeah, um, but yeah, I think tonot to get too zen on it, but it
seems that a lot of this has todo with some combination of
attachment and expectation yeahyou know what?
What does this?
Speaker 2 (42:26):
value yep mean and therefore how, whether that end
is accepted or not right right,you know, with whether there's
probably even the perspective ofbeginnings too, like whether,
whether this new thing thatreplaces the old thing, yeah is
(42:47):
welcome yeah or seen asbeneficial, and which is
interesting going back to theperspective, because most, most
times, like, let's say thatyou're quitting your job because
you're getting a promotion,like you're going to a new job
that you're not getting apromotion, but you're quitting
your job because you're going toa new job where you're going to
have a.
You know you're going to have ahigher, you know you're going
to go into management or you'regoing to get higher pay or
(43:08):
you're going to somethingpositive, right, so you're,
you're, you're happy that you'requitting your job.
But the interesting thing isthat most of the time humans,
like we, most of the times weresist change as much as
possible.
So like we will go, oh yeah,but I don't know that it's going
to be better.
But in that instance you'relike, ok, at least at that
(43:31):
moment you're like, well, I'mgoing to be getting more money.
Like you're just you're, you'replacing a value on the new
thing and you're devaluing theold thing.
Like, hey, you know, what Idon't like about working here is
this is like my boss, I don'tget paid enough.
They asked me to work overtime,they have me do these stupid
(43:54):
TPS reports or whatever.
You know, like things like that.
Um, you know, and so you'reassuming.
But, like most of the time whenthere's a change, people will
resist that change, even if theythink that it might be good.
Like many times they'll like,yeah, but I don't know that it's
going to be good.
And so I think it's funny thatin certain instances, when you
have that ending that is openingthe new beginning, uh, you're,
you know, you're, you're, you'realmost like talking yourself
(44:14):
into the fact like it is goingto be better.
It's going to be better.
This way it's going to be.
It's it really?
Is.
And you don't know that in any,in either instance, but in one
instance you're like you're,you've convinced yourself and
I've seen especially with the,the job example.
Speaker 1 (44:32):
Um, I've been continuing with this theme of
perspective when it comes toendings yeah I've seen it over
the course of years where howpeople deal with career changes
and this unexpected versusexpected, or accepted versus
unaccepted, and I think a lot ofit has to do with the
(44:54):
perspective of agency.
People will like if say there'sa departmental change, there's
a reorg, it's not a layoff.
Yeah.
It's not a promotion or anything.
It's not necessarily lateral,but there's just a shakeup
because maybe this director isleaving and it makes sense to
merge the two departments, orwhatever, into one.
(45:16):
And now you're in a people arein a situation where the person
who hired them is no longertheir manager.
Someone else is going to betheir manager.
Yeah.
Or the manager they've had foryears isn't no longer going to
be their manager.
Someone else is going to betheir manager, right?
Yeah and that when theyaccepted the change to begin
(45:38):
with to have that first personas their manager, that was an
exercise of agency right.
They agreed to.
You know they.
They signed the um acceptanceletter, the job offer you know,
and it was a mutual thing, right.
But then with this reorg, nowit's, it's a passive thing with
(45:59):
low agency, at least yeahemployee.
You know they don't have a sayin who their manager is going to
be.
Yeah, um.
So it's weird, but a lot oftimes, even when it's not a
layoff situation, it's justsomething like a reorg.
A lot of the best performers,people who were given a lot of
latitude in how they work andwhat they do, will just up and
leave.
They'll take an offer withanother company.
(46:21):
And I think it has to do withthis agency, that autonomy,
where they get to choose whotheir boss is going to be, who
they're going to report to, whothey're going to work with.
Yeah, they get to choose whotheir boss is going to be, who
they're going to report to whothey're going to work with.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (46:31):
Um, well, it's also like the.
The other thing is it's likefor lack of a better term it's
like the B.
It's well, it isn't.
Like it's the beginning of arelationship.
So, as we all know, like thebeginning of the relationship
with anyone, you're sort'reputting your best foot forward
where you're, you know so, soyou, you almost feel like it's
(46:53):
not real.
Right, it's it's not.
Until you get to know someoneand you've been around them for
a number of years.
Some people never, I mean somepeople just always have their
guard up, but most people Ithink most most healthy people
at some point they're like yeah,you know, like, and and
hopefully what you hope is thatthere isn't a huge amount of
deviation, like it wasn't.
Like here's the person when youfirst met them and they're like
(47:15):
way over here when you, whenyou get to know the real them,
right, you hope that there'sjust oh well, yeah, that's not
exactly how they were when Ifirst met them, but it's not
like it's.
Their core values are still thesame, like they're not.
You know, they're not adifferent person completely you
know, um, and so, uh, you knowit's.
it's interesting that that, yeah, I think that goes to the the
(47:39):
change thing where you're againyou're convincing yourself,
you're like, oh yeah, butthey're nice people and at that
point you might hate your boss,you know, you might be at the
point where you're just like I'mjust sick of man.
Every day he comes in nine, 30and he always gets a cup of
coffee and I hate that.
You know, like just whateverthat you know, just like little
things, where just like littlethings are annoying you.
Um, and I've heard similarthings with like long-term
(48:02):
marriages where you know amarriage that might be failing
and going bad.
It's all of a sudden they'relike, yeah, you know what, every
single day, every time they putthe toilet paper on, they put
it going over the top and itneeds to go over the bottom.
They're an idiot, you know.
And it's like, okay, this isn'tabout the toilet paper, this is
about something else, you know.
Speaker 1 (48:18):
And it's.
I mean, that's againexpectations, and some some of
what you're saying makes merealize that I think, well, that
we're talking about a serieslike a tv series, yeah, or a
book that's called a trilogy,you know, or your career, or
even, um, what's like a contract, like contract to hire, or just
(48:40):
there's.
There's basically two kinds ofexpectations indefinite and
definite right, infinite andfinite right.
The marriage is indefinite, acareer is indefinite, meaning
it's gonna go on and on for whoknows how long yeah it should
just, it should just keep goingright, um.
(49:00):
And then there's finite, whereyou know the book series is a
trilogy, or yeah, you know, oryou know it's just one book and
you're gonna read the book andit's going to be done, and
that's fine.
You knew that going into it, um.
But I think when, when it'sconsidered a tragedy is when the
life expectancy is much longerthan its actual lifespan yeah
(49:23):
right, yeah, yeah.
And and that's where somethingit feels like something was cut
short yeah, you got.
You got cheated, you got gypped.
Yeah, um, you did not geteverything you felt you were
promised, right, um, andsometimes I mean, I'd say people
even get frustrated, maybe notas strongly, but like, if it's a
(49:44):
book trilogy or movie trilogy,yeah, and fourth, anyway,
there's a lot of fans who arelike no, the story is done,
don't ruin it by trying to comeup with crap.
After we have all this closure,yeah, like, just let it be,
come up with something new, youknow.
Right.
Right, it's again in that way.
I guess it's the opposite of.
You know, there was a finiteexpectation and now all of a
(50:06):
sudden it's infinite.
Yeah, or indefinite right.
It's like how long is thisgoing to go on?
Right, Shut up and stop takingmy money.
Speaker 2 (50:18):
Yeah, no, I think that's a good point.
I think, yeah.
I also think that, going backto you know that's a lot of
times TV shows are like that, oryou know where it's like, hey,
the source material was books,and the TV show or the movie is
very successful.
So then the money making forcesthat are in play are like well,
(50:38):
wait, apparently the audience.
Yeah.
So apparently the audience islike this we should just do this
again.
But it's like yeah, but there'sno source materials, like it
doesn't matter, We'll just hiresomebody else to write something
.
That is that, you know whatever.
Speaker 1 (50:57):
So it doesn't matter, we'll just hire somebody else
to write something.
That is that you know, whatever.
So, yeah, it's a cash grab,right, right series that go on.
There are tropes that referencesome of that um, like when
happy days had the fawns, yeahright, or water ski and jumped
over a shark jumped the shark,yep yeah, like.
Yeah, there are tv critics andmedia critics who use that as a
phrase.
Right it's like it's in thezeitgeist, yeah yeah, it's like
(51:18):
whenever a show gets to thepoint where the writers have
clearly run out of ideas yep andhave deviated so far from the
intent of.
You know the lore and the storyand the.
You know the purpose of that.
Speaker 2 (51:30):
Yeah, series, whatever it was, I will say I've
watched I've watched seriesangry um knowing that because
I'm like, because I'm potcommitted, so I'm like well,
yeah, this, I hate it, I hatethis, but I'm gonna, I'm gonna,
I'm gonna see this through.
Yeah, like, I'm like this isthe worst food I've ever eaten.
Yeah, yeah, I'm begrudginglyyeah, I will finish this, you're
(51:53):
not gonna stop.
I don't care how bad yourwriting is.
I will watch the last episodeof this.
You know like I'll show themand they're like you showed us.
Oh yeah, thanks for watchingour advertising, sir.
Anyway, um, I did write down acouple other things too.
That, um, that I thought wereendings that, uh, we're not
(52:16):
necessarily we have to talkabout them, but one of the
things.
There are a couple interestingthings.
So, uh, obviously, end of life,you know death, but also end of
youth.
So at some point in your lifeyou feel like, oh man, I'm
getting older and everyone'sgonna have that at some point.
Speaker 1 (52:29):
You're gonna go crisis.
Yeah, I'm getting older andeveryone's going to have that at
some point.
Speaker 2 (52:31):
You're going to go crisis.
Yeah, I'm going through it,it's fine, um so uh, but it it
does tie in with fears, you knowthe the fear of death,
obviously, for the end of life,but also, um, fear of aging.
And then we did, you know,remember, we did like cognitive
biases and we had that declineism.
You know we had that declineism you know we had.
(52:52):
We had ed zinkowitz on andtalked about fear of aging.
Um, I think that there's peoplethat are scared of getting old,
like just not that they'renecessarily scared of death, but
they're just scared of, youknow, not being being here and
being alive, but being.
Speaker 1 (53:04):
I'm not mobile anymore or I can't do what I
used to do, you know there's anentire like two or three
industries around that, likethere's the yeah, makeup and
botox, but even health care yeahthere's a lot to do with, like,
like you're saying, mobility,yeah, relation, don't want to
lose my faculties and myabilities.
Speaker 2 (53:24):
I don't want to lose my vigor and my yeah, well, the
other thing that I saw, too, wasthe end of the calendar year.
You know, you, you talked about, like all, alternate.
You know we talked about goingto bed at night, but every year,
based on our current, you know,our gregorian calendar is a
gregorian calendar.
Right that?
We're on um.
I think so, yeah, me too anyway, we're gonna go with that we're
(53:46):
gonna go with that right now.
So you know, the end of theyear is.
Speaker 1 (53:51):
Gregorian anyways.
Speaker 2 (53:54):
So.
So here's the thing.
It's like it's always built upto be a positive thing.
The end of the year, it'salmost a time of renewal.
We and we had episodes where wetalked about that as well,
where we were talking about newyear's resolutions and it's like
why are you doing new year'sresolutions?
Well, it's like all of a sudden, this artificial time period
ends and you say, well, it'slike all of a sudden, this
artificial time period ends andyou say I got to do something
about that I've been wanting todo and it just seems like a good
time to start.
(54:15):
So you got the January going tothe gym thing.
And you got the January.
I'm going to be on a diet inJanuary, I'm going to stop
smoking and drinking andwhatever that might be.
Usually it's vices.
That's that's what I, what I'vecome to conclude.
But I just think that that'sinteresting, that that ending
almost has a renewing, you know,a positive spin to it for most
(54:35):
people.
Most people like I don't knowpeople that are like, uh, the
year's ending this sucks, I hatethis, it's terrible.
You know, like you just don'thear that a lot.
I mean, I'm sure there arepeople that have that, but um,
but yeah it's focusing on what'snext instead of what's lost.
Speaker 1 (54:49):
right, what's new instead of what's lost.
Right, what's new instead ofwhat's lost.
Even I think that's what afunction of religion.
Right, there's the afterlife,or reincarnation.
Yeah, yeah.
Karma like good karma, ofcourse, uh, in this example is
don't, don't dwell on what andmaybe we're sort of slipping
into our next episode, but youknow but don't dwell on what you
(55:11):
lost, but dwell on what yougained, yeah.
Speaker 2 (55:14):
Yeah, which is good.
That means that we're perfectlydovetailing and or getting
towards the end of this episode,and I know it's sad, it's an
ending of this episode, but it'sthe beginning of the next.
Don't say goodbye, yes.
So no, I think that's right.
I think that in our nextepisode we talk about some of
the things and how you deal withchange.
(55:36):
I always say change, but reallythat's what an ending is, I
think is just it's some type ofa change.
Speaker 1 (55:41):
Specific kind of change.
Speaker 2 (55:43):
Yeah, something that was going is now stopping.
Right, and so we deal with.
What are what?
What are?
Some of the people say that umare basically giving advice
about how to deal with that kindof things, and I I have a
feeling we're going to get alittle bit into what you just
talked about, but also get intostages of grief a little bit,
which we've gone over in ourpodcast and other other things
(56:05):
that we've talked about in ourpodcast.
So Yep.
Speaker 1 (56:08):
Stay tuned until next episode.
Speaker 2 (56:11):
Yes, please, we'll deal with it.
We'll deal with it.
All right, deal with it, people.
All right, see you Bye.
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