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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome to Help
Yourself.
Food and Philosophy with Brianand Nick.
I'm Nick and I'm Brian.
You know I talk a lot aboutDory's cooking and how good it
is, and it's so good that she'sturned me into a time traveler,
because I always go back fourseconds.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
What's your name,
brian?
Four seconds, four seconds.
Four seconds For seconds.
Four seconds, yes, for seconds.
All right, what am I eating?
Oh, so a little while ago, youwere talking about Taco Bell,
which I never go to, and we hada little conversation about that
(00:41):
.
I never go to Taco Bell, and soyou inspired me.
I did Thank you, except whenyou do.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
Kind of like I never
eat French fries, except when I
do.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Thank you for the
inspiration to go to Taco Bell.
I really appreciate it.
It's a dark inspiration.
So what did you get from TacoBell?
I got a like it's a grilledcheese steak burrito, so it was
like a.
Yeah, I was listening to apodcast recently.
This is going to take us offtrack immediately, but I was
listening to a podcast recently.
(01:11):
They were talking about TacoBell.
They were actually reviewing adifferent taco fast food taco
chain called Del Taco, which ifyou're in certain areas of the
country, you'll know what thatis.
If you're not, you know, in theSouth we don't have really, we
don't really have Del Taco here.
It's more of like a West Coastkind of thing, and we used to
have some there were a couple,but they all went away and they.
(01:32):
So they were talking about thatand the one person their guest,
made a comment and said that atDel Taco it's just hey, this is
a burrito, this is a taco, andthey might use different meat
and different.
You know iterations of thatwhere they're basically like
this is this kind of taco, andthis one has instead of cheddar
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cheese, it has pepper jackcheese or it's instead of pork,
it has beef or whatever, right.
And so it felt like you'regoing to a fast food taco
restaurant or fast food Mexicanrestaurant because you're just
getting.
They'd just call it those names.
But then they said but TacoBell is its own thing, because
they have things like that.
What?
When they're like, yeah, thisis the crunchy bell beef or
(02:19):
nacho.
You know, yeah, supreme, youknow whatever.
And you're like, okay, that'sjust a made up food that you
just made up like a CrunchwrapSupreme.
You wouldn't even know whatthat was, unless you were like
excuse me, what is theCrunchwrap Supreme?
Because it's not a thing Likeyou know what a burrito is and
you know what a taco is, but aCrunchwrap Supreme is a thing
that a Taco Bell chef just madeup and said we can do this thing
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.
Well, whatever.
You're overstating it there.
I'm saying, for a corporatething they have like food
marketer, they have foodinventors, whatever, and so
anyway, so like that is agrilled cheese steak burrito,
which.
All those words make sense, butthe only time you're ever going
(03:03):
to utter all those in onesentence is when you're ordering
a Taco Bell.
You're not going to have anyother sentence that uses all
those in that same order.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
It's like yeah, I'd
like a quesadillo what?
Yes.
Yeah, is it quesadillo and aburrito and a baby?
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
I went to a
restaurant last night that my
son got soft pretzels and itcame with beer cheese queso and
I was like you know so queso inSpanish means cheese, so I'm
like so beer cheese cheese.
And then when it came out itwas it was beer cheese.
So there's queso dip andthere's beer cheese and they're
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saying, oh, this is queso madewith beer cheese.
So it had like jalapenos in itand it had, like you know, like
a queso dip wood.
But it was so.
It's that kind of thing wherethey just made something up.
I don't really care if theymake it up, it tastes really
really good.
I mean it's cheese.
I mean obviously not not theideal thing to eat, but that's
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what I probably have been toTaco Bell like in the last two
years.
I've probably been 10 times.
You know it's not, you know Idon't go there all the time, but
but thanks to your positive andinfluence in my life, I drag
you down with me brother,Exactly no, so I got that it was
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.
It was actually really good.
I typically stay away fromground meat options at Taco Bell
.
I just for some reason.
I, yeah, I typically will gowith a chicken or a steak
variation, even though I'm sureif you saw the chicken or the
steak, it's probably not themost high quality.
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You know, it's not like you'regetting filet mignon in your
taco at, you know, or wagyu beefor something like that.
But I find it a little bit moreagreeable than you know could
like that, and also consistencywise.
It's not just like the groundmeat is part of like just big
conglomeration of everything,it's just it has different
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texture to it.
So so, yeah, so that's what Igot.
It was good, it was actuallyvery filling too.
But I will say that the priceof Taco Bell from you know, okay
, here here comes my old manrant.
Back when I was a kid, youcould go to Taco Bell and eat
for like $4, you know you'relike, yeah, I want three tacos
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and a drink, and you know, andit was $4 and 75 cents or
whatever you know.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
Yeah.
I still remember the commercialthat it was like 59, 79, 99 and
59 cents would get you either aplain, crunchy taco meat
crunchy or soft taco.
The 79 would get you thesupreme with the plain meat.
Yeah.
And then the 99 would get you,I guess, a supreme with one of
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the quote premium meats, thechicken or the steak you were
talking about.
Right.
Right, and it was like yeah,like you said you could eat, get
full for four bucks.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Yeah, and now you can
still do that.
They have still the dollar menu.
Like the dollar, I think it'sstill.
I think it's still a dollar,like for certain items.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Right, it's pretty
limited, it's like all the
potatoes?
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Well, they have one.
They have a cheesy roll up too,like a cheesy roll up on there,
which is literally just atortilla with some cheese in it
and they melt it right.
So a rolled up quesadilla.
So if you really I meantheoretically you can get by on
the cheese, that's generous too.
Yeah, well, you can get by onthe cheese.
No peanut cheese.
But what I'm saying is, if youorder any of the things like
that, like a Crunchwrap Supremeor a, you know Supreme adds like
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a dollar immediately foranything, and then any of the
specials, like, if you go up andthey're like hey, we're
featuring a, you know like this,the grilled cheese steak
burrito, you know that's goingto be like probably about the
same as it'll cost you to getlike a part of a meal at a
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sit-down Mexican restaurant, andit's going to be like five or
six or seven bucks, you know,for a burrito.
And so so what did you get?
Well, I got a yeah, so I got a agrilled cheese steak burrito.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
Got it.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
So it was and it was
good.
It had obviously steak in it,but it also had like I don't
know, it had like chips in it.
It had like chips in it, likedifferent kinds of like corn
chips inside the burrito andstuff like that.
So it was.
Burritos?
Yeah, no, not those like the.
You know, the chips that youget that are like the red, that
are like red and white and likethe different colored chips,
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like corn tortilla chips, likethat.
Yeah, it looks, yeah, yeah, andso I was good.
Like I said, it was good, butit was just, it's just like.
Sometimes you're like, do Iwant to?
Many times it's just I'm in ahurry, like it's like, okay, I
just want to.
I need to get something likeand potentially eat this in my
car on the way to the next thingI'm doing, because time, you
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know, time is finite and itmoves in a straight line and
it's linear and no, anyway, okay, I'm going to do a brief BBC
Brian's beverage corner.
I've got hydration is important.
I've got water and I've got this, okay, so this is I feel like I
(08:39):
feel like the energy drink gameis turning into a much younger
man's game than I'm like maybe Ishould not be in that game
anymore.
So this, this energy, thisenergy drink, is called Bucked
Up and it has like a.
It has a, you know, a pictureof a deer on the can.
(09:01):
It's an all black can pictureof a deer with antlers and
probably pretty good deer toshoot if you're hunting.
It's got a lot of points on it.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
So yeah, it's got an
angry sort of yeah, demonic.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
And then the flavor
is yeah.
And then the flavor.
Now it's zero sugar.
Flavor is blood razz, so Iguess that means raspberry right
, which it does taste like that,but it has a bunch of.
It's got like 300 milligrams ofcaffeine in it, so I don't even
know if I'm going to drink thiswhole thing, but it's zero
(09:35):
calories.
It's got 8,333% of my B12allowance for the day, so I'm
covered for the B12 for a while.
And B12 is good.
No, it is, it's yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
I'd be up all night
playing video games.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
The B, the B vitamins
are like used in almost
everything that you do, likethey're just, you know, like
literally it's you need to havea lot of it, right?
So, okay, so I had that, I havethe water and that's it for my
BBC.
So if I start talking faster,like if time seems to speed up
(10:19):
during this episode, it'sbecause of the blood razz and me
getting bucked up about it.
So, yeah, what about you?
What are you eating?
Speaker 1 (10:33):
Because this is sort
of a snack episode, you know,
being a shorter episode smallerepisode.
I'm bonus here.
I've got a snack.
I have a Sargento.
I think is how you pronouncethat.
Yeah, it is Sargento, maybeBalanced Breaks and it's the.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
Oh, is that the
little thing with the
compartments on it?
Speaker 3 (10:53):
Yeah, it's so cute.
It's so cute, it's so cute,nick.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
It's funny fits in
the palm of your hand.
You could.
It's about the size of a puckIn terms of diameter.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Yeah, what was the
varietal?
Speaker 1 (11:10):
It's the varietal,
not wine, marmoray Jack, dried
cranberries, dark chocolate andbanana chips.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Next time you go to
the market, it's the grocer.
What other varietals do youhave of the Sargento?
Speaker 1 (11:33):
Yes, what varietals
of Mountain Dew do you offer?
Oh, you have the hard MountainDew knife.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
Oh man, that is
excellent.
Thank you, sir.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
I'm looking for the
softer drinks.
Do you mean softer drinks?
Just see what.
I've got some notes ofalso gotsome salted cashews to
supplement that.
Oh yeah.
My classic glass water bottle.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
Your rusty trusty,
the rusty trusty, no, so I'm
calling it from now on Rustytrusty.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
We learned the other
time that that's not what it's
to be called.
If it's rusty trusty.
It needs to be washedy andtoasty.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
Wow, I wish we could
travel in time back to the
beginning of this episode tostart over.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
I mean, if I could
turn back time, I would find a
way to start this episode overand prevent you from what you're
about to say.
I also have some coffee, justdecaf espresso sweet cream.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
Coffee.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
Okay, standard,
classic Standard classic.
Actually sleep at night, yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
Mm-hmm.
At this redactedI mean on thisredacted day, at this redacted
time.
I don't know if our friendstill listens to the podcast.
Does our friend still listen tothe podcast?
Speaker 1 (13:01):
The Marshall couch
yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
He is the OG of
friends to this podcast.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
Anyway, yeah, he
hasn't harassed me in a while,
so probably not.
We'll see.
I'll ask him.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
I don't blame him,
you know, for not harassing me.
No, for not listening.
I don't blame him.
All right yeah.
So that's ourthis is our bonusepisode, if you haven't noticed,
three Thursdays in February andit will be time bound.
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And it will be time bound.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
Yeah, but actually
this will.
Yeah, this is a leap year.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
It is, so I think
that's true.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
Yeah, so that was
part of the inspiration for the
bonus episode, right Was likehey Time travel.
Yeah, this is time.
This is a weird moment in time.
Well, not just this episode,but this whole series.
Right, it's like this leap yearand weirdness with days and
dates and Well, on thisparticular episode coming out on
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that day.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
it just happened to
line up, so it's perfect.
How often do you get a podcastthat comes out on the 29th of
February?
Speaker 1 (14:15):
You say perfect, and
I can say this because I think
it was my idea.
I say it's adequate.
I think it's an adequate excuseto talk about time.
Sure, well, you're very kind,brian.
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
And time travel.
It sort of goes into this.
Is that wesoand also?
That's another thing I want toknow is do we add that one day
every four years because of justour time is not exact, like it,
doesn't?
We got to keep it on track withthe calendar, like it'sthere's
time drift with the calendar Isthat why we do that.
It's notit's not exactly 24hours in a day, or Right, and so
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, like every four years, we haveto like, add a date.
It's like 24.25.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
To make it all line
up again, that's not perfect.
Sure.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Like it'sthere's
still a rounding error.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
So what you're saying
is we don't know what the
actual date is, ever becausesince?
Well, we do, because we .2024years have passed.
We all collectively hallucinateit to be the same thing We've
been doing, leap yearhas leapyear happened since the
Gregorian calendar began, or didwe like at some point go aw
crap.
This is all messed up.
(15:21):
This is notwe're like fourmonths off, people.
We got to figure something out.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
This is how much I
care, Brian.
I can't be bothered to Googleit.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
All right.
Well, I care less.
I and our listeners are justgoing to have to not know that
fact Actually.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
Because only I speak
to the computer I'm like.
So when are we ever at GalaxyQuest?
Okay?
Speaker 2 (15:49):
So the question that
we had is Time travel.
Talking about time travel andreally honestly, whether that's
even possible.
We already talked about in thelast couple of episodes about,
theyou know, our perception oftime.
So psychological aspects oftime, biological aspects of time
and then also the philosophy,sort of philosophy of time and
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how that has been studied overthe years, and so we thought, as
a fun topic, you know, for asort of shorter episode and
everything else is talking abouttime travel.
It'stime travel is.
So you can tell when we ashumans are fascinated by
something, when time travel isdepicted in our art and our
other creative aspects, andespecially in movies, movies and
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books and things like that,that creative aspect.
It's been a topic that has beenexplored Like fictional.
You know, fictional works haveexplored that topic and some
more realistic than others, somehave fun with it and it's more
comedy.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
But you talking about
it, depicted in art like that
in commentary, kind of acallback to our previous
episodes and some of Dory's ownart.
One piece that she'sparticularly proud of is.
It depicts time like an arrowand circular.
At the noon there's like it'slike a clock, and at the noon
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hour there's a human shooting abow and arrow and the arrow is
traveling around like a clockand circular and at each hour,
roughly each hour, there's adifferent species of animal and
the order in which they wereextinct and the arrow is coming
back to hit the human in theback, sort of like where the
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bringers were.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
Where the next to go
extinct yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
If we keep bringing
animals extinct, we're going to
bring ourselves to extinctionRight Only a matter of time.
Yeah.
It's a great visual metaphor.
She should be proud of it, yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
That's interesting
yeah.
Well, so.
I think, and that goes back tolike what the you know different
theories, the linear versuscyclical or circular time, you
know frames, things like that,but the question so anyway, in
our fictional that's what I'msaying like in our fictional
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works and works of art and otherthings like that, we have lots
of movies that deal with time.
I think you were, you hadmentioned which I didn't even
realize it was time travel perse, or perception of time, was
planted in the apes.
You were talking about that andit's not necessarily time
travel, but it talks about yourrelativity.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
Every story is a time
travel story.
It's just in the same direction.
It's like time travel.
All of us are traveling in time, right, it's just always in the
drive gear and there's noreverse gear and we're going at
the same speed, except withgeneral relativity, where we
talk about sci-fi and they gofaster than the speed limit.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
you know faster than
light, and so they travel faster
through time, but there's noreverse, and so the interesting
thing is that's one of thethings that I read was reading
about, because when you breakdown time travel, the question
is okay, if you're going totravel in time, is it possible,
first of all, to travel in time?
Second of all, is it possibleto travel forward or backwards
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or both in time?
And so people have done studieson all of those, or at least
have I don't want to say studies, but they've researched and
tried to come up with.
Is it plausible that we mightbe able to find a way to travel?
So each one of those things isa different question.
One of the big things that theybrought up in some of these
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articles is Dr who.
Like Dr who's been going onforever and that whole thing is
based on.
You know, the whole series isbased on time travel.
Obviously, and I'm going to Drwho people out there are going
to kill me because I can'tremember what.
TARDIS stands for no, TARDIS,like the main thing.
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It's like time and relativedistance in space or something
TARDIS, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
See, and that's what
I'm going to get hate mail right
now.
People are like.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
It's not that, it's
not TARDIS, it's this, you know.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
I would welcome hate
mail.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
Yeah, hey, if you
want to email me, you can email
us.
Absolutely.
Tell us that we're idiots,anyway, that you know.
Nice to hear from someone else.
Back to the future, we havethat.
I also have other.
I'm trying to remember thatthere was one movie that I saw
recently that was really sad andit was talking about.
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It was time travel.
But it was literally thisfamily and all of them had the
secret power of being able totime travel, but there were
certain restrictions upon thattime travel.
Interesting.
Yeah, and one of the things thatwhy don't we want to spoil the
movie?
Well, if I don't say the nameof the movie, is it really a
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spoiler?
Speaker 1 (21:07):
If I just recap a
plot point, I'm going to want to
know, so tell me how to.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
So the plot point is
oh, you want me to tell you
after.
Or should I not spoil it, orshould I spoil it?
Speaker 1 (21:15):
Just tell us, brian,
let's roll the dice.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
No.
So the plot point is that atsome point in the motion of time
, the person's father who youknow when he discovered that he
had this ability to time travelthe son had this ability to time
travel the father had to likebring him in.
Almost like when the father'sthe werewolf and the son turns
into the werewolf and the fatherhas to say like, hey, yeah,
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we're all werewolves, I justwant to bring you in.
Finally, you did your change orwhatever.
So you're aware of this.
At some point the father passesaway, and so he's using time
travel to spend more time withhis father, but then there
becomes a restriction where hecan't go back to see his father
because if he does, it erasesother parts of his history and
or other things.
And so he's faced with thechoice of do I want to spend
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more time with my father?
And I can't remember the exactplot point.
It might have been likesomebody that he was in love
with or something like that, butit was.
He's faced with like a moralthing of like, yeah, but if I go
back and I spend more time withmy dad, which I desperately
want to do or if I don't, then Ilose my father forever, but I
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get this other thing.
So you know, it's like thattype of a thing.
So, anyway, interesting concept,so one of the things that I
read, though, is that many ofthe studies say that it's highly
possible and likely that youcould travel into the future,
but that traveling into the past, like the which a lot of time
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travel things we've seen wouldbe very if not, if it's even
plausible would be extremelydifficult with our current
knowledge.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
And so it's like an
ordinance about an order and
amount of energy, yes, or likeright literally twisting the
universe.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
That's right, I think
.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
Einstein said if you
could twist, the universe could
go backwards in time.
Right, oh, that's not, that'snot that hard.
Yeah, just take the space, thetime, the fabric, the literal
fabric of space time, and twistit and then travel space,
shuttle to it, around it.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
So, yeah, so it's
just like I said, interesting
that like this one talks about.
You know, scientists have comeup with a few ways that it might
be possible to travel into thepast.
Basically, you would.
You know it would involve I'mtrying to read this article at
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the same time, but yeah, it'sexactly what you said.
You read it and I talk.
No, it says the idea involved,the massive long cylinder, but
it says it twists space timealong with it, exactly what you
just said.
It literally has to.
You have to fold it back uponitself and I think I think
actually the good place.
If you've ever watched that TVshow, even though that's
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technically about, you knowtheoretically the idea of heaven
and hell or you know whereveryou go after you die.
Even they talk about how time is.
I believe their concept waslike Jeremy Baramy and so like,
when you sign the name JeremyBaramy, it's all these curves
and stuff like that, and they'resaying that's how time is.
It's looping and it loops backon itself and then it goes back
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and then it so like if you signit in cursive, it looks very
loopy, right, and and so they'resaying that's the actual
concept of time, not this linethat is old to new or present
into future or whatever.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
So does the loopy
imply or suggest that the
present can inform the past orinfluence the past, or the
future can influence the present?
Speaker 2 (24:58):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
And that's a bit
brain breaking brain.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
Yeah, it sort of does
so, like I'm trying to remember
what it is.
So that's why I was trying topull up like something that
basically talks about that.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
I mean in terms of
fictional accounts.
I'm fascinated by the differenttheories of sort of the
mechanisms or what it would belike to travel back in time.
So there's the.
If we follow, the time flieslike an arrow.
Yeah analogy.
There's the theory of timetravel, like back to the future,
where you you move back towhere the arrow was in the past.
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Yeah.
You know and and the only thearrow is otherwise unchanged is
just a position and you're youknow on that version of it.
Then there's like, so, you'reinfluencing your own past.
But then there's others, likeAvengers, where they went back
in time, they went to adifferent timeline.
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So it's like they they jumpedto a different arrow or, by
going back, they created a newarrow right of time.
Yep.
And then somehow could travelback to their existing time
arrow without creating yetanother time arrow.
Okay, which I'm pretty sure.
Yeah, that now I'm thinking ofanother, like a YouTube short,
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not a YouTube short like youknow, the two minute clip, but
there's like a six minute videoof this guy who has a time
travel device and he ends upcreating like 70 something
different universes where hekills himself so he can
experience another chance attalking to this girl in a park
bench.
It's darkly hilarious.
(26:50):
It's like a literally contrivedmeat cute.
Yeah.
But where am I going all this?
Well, but then there's, likeother vehicles too, of do when
you go back in time.
You know, like in back to thefuture you could go back in time
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and potentially meet your pastself.
You can talk to your past self,right.
Yes.
There's other versions whereit's your consciousness that
goes back in time.
Your body's still there.
So when your consciousness goesin back in time, it like
inhabits yourself back at thattime.
It's almost like you possessyourself in the past, which
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knows what happens to your.
You know the consciousness ofyou back in the past.
When that happens, like youraise, hijack yourself that's
crazy.
Yeah, we ever talked about that, or do they?
Or does it get pushed back intothe present?
You like a body swap withyourself chronologically.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
Yeah, well, so the
question here's maybe a question
that will push us slightly indifferent direction, which is do
you think that because,theoretically, time travel has
already happened and there'speople walking among us that
have traveled in time?
So and that's one of theparadoxes is one of the things
that people ask is, if timetravel is possible, then how
(28:11):
come we don't encounter peoplefrom the future, or from the
past, or from wherever?
Or maybe we do Right, andthat's the point, yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
Yeah, that's why it's
a paradox.
There's like, well, maybe we doand just don't realize it, or
it's considered like fringe woowoo science you know, in the
stand up comedy realm.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
You know I'm like
blanking on the guys.
I'll have to like remember theguy's name, but he's sort of a
local comedian that's famous andhe does a whole bit about time
travel, like him going back.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
Nate.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
Bergasse, nate
Bergasse, yeah, where he's like
yeah, he's like he goes back intime and he's like he's like he
famously self deprecating and islike yeah, I don't have a high
education and I don't know a lotof things, I'm just a guy, you
know.
And so he goes back and he'slike, you know, people are like
oh, you're from the future, huh,and he's like yeah, man, do you
know that?
Like there's phones that youjust have in your pocket, and
(29:09):
then they're like oh really, howdo those work?
And he's like I don't know, Idon't know how those work, like,
and he's like I think, it'slike, I think it's like
satellites or something.
And they're like what's asatellite?
He's like ah crap, ah, geez.
And he's like I probably wouldgo back into history and I'd be
worse off than when I am now,because I wouldn't know.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
They'd be like oh,
that guy's a crazy person you
know he's like yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
But yeah, there's
like probably dozens of YouTube
videos talking about likephotographic evidence of the
distant past of people usingfuture technology or future
clothes.
You know present day clothes ornear present day clothes in the
past, yeah, and then that'swhatever you know.
But then I don't know if thisis original to me or I heard it
(29:56):
once and latched onto it or what.
But you know the little, thelittle green man or the little
gray man the stuff and theflying saucers and whatnot and
their advanced technology.
right Like what if that's justus, highly evolved millions of
years into the future?
Yeah, when we figure out spacetravel and, being the scientists
(30:20):
and nerds and tourists that weare, go back in time to observe
ourselves and understand ourorigins right.
Right, like that would explain afair amount.
I know that I don't know.
I would imagine, because of thequote, determinism of the, of
astrology and what cosmologicalphysics or whatever, like we
(30:45):
know where things are going tobe in space because of the
steady rate at which we orbitaround the sun the moderate at
which we're flying around in theMilky Way and blah, blah, blah,
whatever, whatever.
So if we have advancedspacefaring technology and
whatever technology to travel intime, we would know exactly
what part of the universe to flyto and go back in time to, to
(31:07):
intercept the planet, to thensee it at that point in time.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
Yeah, you know well,
so here's your.
Here's the table topics for you.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
Uh huh.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
If you could travel
back in time, or if you could
travel in time, would you travelin time?
In which direction would you go?
What would you do?
That's a lot of table topics,questions, but go ahead these, I
think.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
I feel like I've
answered that once before and I
made it come up with a long, oneor two minute way of saying I
would just keep doing what I'mdoing because I'm right, I don't
have any regrets, I'm contentwith my current situation, all
the stuff I've learned I'velearned and now it can make my
life better.
Now, if I go back and fix forchange anything that I will have
(31:57):
learned that lesson, we'll justhave to learn it all over again
.
Um, you know something alongthose lines?
Speaker 2 (32:05):
Well, yeah yeah, I
think I think, if you're well so
getting aside from the whole,like, oh, I'm going to go back
and meet some other thing, orI'm going to go back and
assassinate a you know,assassinate a person or stop an
assassination from happening orwhatever right.
Getting aside that, even if youcould just go back and observe
(32:27):
and then come back again,wouldn't you?
Wouldn't it also change thecourse of your future, because
you've seen things?
Isn't that the?
Isn't that the concept of the?
observer effect, the Christmasstory, the oh, it's not
Christmas story.
What's?
What's the?
Speaker 1 (32:47):
life.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
No Scrooge.
There's the one with Scrooge init.
Why am I like blanking?
Speaker 1 (32:51):
on it.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
A Christmas Carol.
A Christmas Carol, yeah, I saida Christmas story, but
Christmas Carol.
So like, yeah, he's going to goto past, future, present or
past Christmas, present,christmas, future, christmas,
right.
And then he comes back topresent time and he's a changed
man, right?
So wouldn't it be that samething if you could time travel,
like you go into the future andyou go, oh geez, yeah, I got to
(33:14):
do something.
Or you go into the past or eventhe present, right.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
Yeah, there, that I
would like, if I'm just going
back, to observe and maybe getlike a refresh for recollection,
you know, more directrecollection of what happened.
That would be very differentand much more interesting to me.
(33:38):
I don't know if it's my poormemory or my poor childhood,
probably my poor memory, but Idon't remember much from my
childhood and a lot of adviceI've been getting lately is like
think back to what you love asa child and you know hypnosis
man Not your chance to pursuethose things like uh, you gotta
(33:59):
go get hypnotized have you ever?
been hypnotized?
I have, but it was like acomedy stage thing.
But have you ever?
Speaker 2 (34:09):
been legitimately
like you're, you know, for
either therapeutic reasons orfor you know, because like that
could be considered somewhattime travel, right, like, for
instance, like you just said, Ican't remember things, but I bet
you, if you could get into astate of like it's in there,
like the memories in theresomehow, no, I don't believe it
(34:31):
is.
You don't think so.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
You think it's been
e-jetted, I think if I didn't
pay attention to it then, then Ididn't record it.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
Yeah, but haven't you
ever had like an experience
where you remember something.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
If you have the
camera on and you only film in
it, there's no way to retrievewhat's on the film, because
there was no film.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
Right, but haven't
you ever had the experience of
like something that you're like?
Oh man, I completely forgot,Like I hadn't thought about that
in years, and like a thing willcome up where you're like?
I remember something, someobscure fact about something,
some experience in your lifethat you didn't you like, you
(35:17):
didn't think, you literally hadnot thought of it, like it just
came back into yourconsciousness, right.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
Yeah, yeah, it is
kind of a triggering
recollection, right Like thesong comes on, or a synth.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
So to me, hypnotizing
is the same as that.
Is that there's some way toaccess that you don't.
You know, this is a completelydifferent subject.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
It's alright.
Maybe so the skeptic in me justknowing how impressionable we
are.
Yeah.
And you know the power ofsuggestion, especially when
you're under hypnosis.
Yeah.
That it's more likely that inyour passive, suggestive state,
that the psychologist is askingyou leading or the hypnotist is
(36:02):
asking you leading questions,that you fill in the blanks and
come to believe through thepower of suggestion.
And that's how, like 700 womenin the same tri-state area think
they're ancestors Cleopatra,you know like, or a baroness.
You know that nobody everthinks that their ancestors were
(36:23):
milkmaids or impoverished oranything.
You know, it's all.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
Yeah Well but, that's
also like that's spoken, spoken
like someone who's only beenhypnotized by a comedian on
stage, Whereas no, no, and Idon't know.
I wasn't trying to be likeinsulting.
What I was saying is like that,when I so my experience of it
was, I was actually experiencinganxiety and trying to get over
(36:51):
that somehow.
So I was using hypnosis in away to not necessarily recall
things in the past or anythinglike what we're talking about
right now, but just as a way toget over my own brain, like to
somehow create a differentcircuit in my brain.
But the experience is that thequestions aren't asked.
(37:11):
The questions weren't like that.
The questions were like thinkabout something as a child that
you, you know, a memory oranything else that you have as a
child.
Or think about the elementaryschool you went to and think
about you know, and so you'retrying to mentally go through in
your head, like as an example,I just I've been trying to use
(37:34):
mine I think they're called mindcastles or something like that
to like remember things.
Mind palaces, mind palaces yeah,that's what it is.
See, I can't even remember whatit's called, so I need them
terribly.
Yeah, so you know, but thatrelies upon you having a
physical location that hasdifferent rooms that you can
(37:54):
migrate in and out of and sothat you have a good memory of,
and so I haven't been, you know,I haven't been inside my
childhood home, for, you know,years and years and years, but I
still have a vividunderstanding.
Now I will say that, eventhough I haven't been in it,
I've seen pictures of the insideof it since I was in it.
So, like you know, so itrefreshed my memory, is what I'm
(38:18):
trying to say.
So question is do I actuallyhave a memory of it as a child
or do I, do I have a memory ofthe pictures that I saw recently
of the inside of the, you know,of the structure?
Speaker 1 (38:29):
So well, our and
that's the other thing is our
memories are very constructiveright.
Yes, our thumb drive of ourlong term memory is like 1.3
gigabytes.
Yeah.
We can't store video, we canonly store snippets.
Yeah.
They're like like comic strippanels and we have to fill in
the blanks to create the motionand the memory.
(38:50):
And you know so like yeah, ifyou've just got this distant
memory of this one vignette fromthat is what you have to
recreate the context and whathappened after that, and you're
more likely to imagine thingswith each time you remember
something.
And again in a suggestive state, there's going to be times
(39:11):
where I'm going to constructsomething and I'm going to
remember that the karate dojo orwhatever that I practiced
karate in as a nine year old wasdown, and it wasn't.
But because I'm sitting on abrown couch, I'm remembering it
being brown.
Yeah.
And it's those little thingsget pre-crept in because you
(39:35):
just sort of grasp whatever.
Yeah.
It's sitting in yoursubconscious to keep you going.
So it's like I don't.
I wouldn't trust that nearly asmuch as being able to go back
in time and observe it all overagain.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:49):
Well, I think,
getting sort of back to our I
took us off on a tangent there,but you know the in terms of the
time travel aspect it's.
I guess it's just interestingbecause there are a lot of.
I mean, there's not only isthere like the physical hey, do
(40:10):
I, you know, can we actually doit?
But then the question ofwhether we should do it.
You know, it's like the JeffGoldblum, it's like, yeah, we,
we, we asked whether we could doit, we didn't ask where we
should, right, and so then thequestion would be whether,
whether we should do somethinglike that, like what, what?
What impact could it have?
(40:30):
Obviously, there's the.
You know, if science fiction istrue, then it's like, hey, if I
go back in time, do I affectthat timeline?
And we have start talking aboutmultiverses and all the things
that everyone's talking aboutright now because of the MCU,
basically.
But you know multiverses, andhey, if I go back and do
(40:51):
something, does that change thecourse of like like?
The example I see in here islike, yeah, the paradox of like
you traveling back in time andkilling your own grandfather,
well, you can't, that'simpossible, because you wouldn't
.
If you killed your owngrandfather, you wouldn't have
been born, so then you wouldn'tbe there to travel in time to go
back to kill your owngrandfather, right?
(41:14):
So blah, blah, blah Right.
Speaker 1 (41:23):
So okay.
So what there's?
There's a time travel moviethat breaks my brain and I've.
I probably have to watch itagain.
I don't have any hopes of evermaking sense of it, but it's
called predestination.
Uh huh.
And it's Darv's Ethan Hawk.
So not a small time actor.
(41:44):
And yeah it's I have.
Let's see what's the rating.
I don't know if I'mrecommending a Badrated movie
parents guy, but yeah it'll,it'll mess with you.
If you like time trial movies,Would love to know it are what
is it called again?
Speaker 2 (42:04):
Predestination
predestination is rated R.
Speaker 1 (42:07):
It is rated R.
Okay.
So 2014.
Speaker 2 (42:11):
Yeah, yep, I Like
Ethan Hawke, though he's in
another movie that's like afuturistic movie that I like a
lot Gadica, which is awesomemovie.
Creed all right, so then checkthat out.
Speaker 1 (42:28):
Sure, you wait.
I interrupted you, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (42:33):
You did interrupt me,
but I don't remember what I was
saying.
No, I'm sorry, it's getting tobe that time.
Um, yeah, that movie that Imentioned before, the sad movie,
is called about time and.
That's.
That's the one where, like theyhave, you know, the family has
their Superpower or whateverwithin the family is.
(42:54):
Yeah, everybody is able totravel in time, but it has
certain restrictions andconsequences, things like that.
Speaker 1 (43:00):
So Sure, but it is
maybe sometimes a metaphor of,
you know, living in regret, oryes.
Worrying about the future youknow we and within our minds, we
kind of travel Back in time orlive in the past, as it were.
Speaker 2 (43:21):
Yeah, Well, it's a
good point.
What you made like our mindsbeing creative or, excuse me,
constructive, like that is thatI, I just had a recent
interaction with my youngersister and we were remembering
the same memory, but and I don'tknow if she's miss remembering
or I miss remembering but weremember it completely different
(43:41):
, like in completely differentlocations and in completely so
like you know it.
I'm like, didn't that happenthere?
And she's like, no, I think ithappened here and I'm like I
don't know.
I thought it did, but I think Imight be.
My brain could be mixing twomemories together.
Her, her memory could be bad,you know, then, actually, in the
legal arena, we get this into alot.
(44:02):
This is like, not even withregard to time travel, but it's
with regard to memory ofEyewitness.
I witness verification, and westill hold that to some like
super high esteem in terms ofevidence in a court, and the
fact is that our brains aretotally faulty.
So, and I triggered you to doGoogle something, so it's
definitely I did something right.
Speaker 1 (44:24):
Yes, neil deGrasse
Tyson, I think you talked.
He was talking to Joe Rogan.
Yeah, and it was somethingabout you know, and again I'm
admitting to having a vaguerecollection of this, but but
the the gist is that the judgeasked if Anyone would have a
(44:46):
problem, you know, for jury duty, if you wouldn't have a problem
Drawing a guilty, non-guiltyconclusion with this evidence
and the only evidence was.
I witnessed testimony.
You know the police tried tofind stuff you know licked in
dumpsters.
It might have been a pursesnatching, I don't remember
exactly.
But Neil deGrasse Tyson saidlike your honor, I would not
(45:09):
feel comfortable if this is theonly, if the only evidence is
eyewitness evidence.
I do not feel comfortablemaking a determination and and
and I don't remember how thejudge misheard, but the judge
says so.
Is it?
Is it right that you youwouldn't trust evidence
(45:35):
presented by the court?
Or or rock solid again.
She here, she, the judge,misheard something,
misinterpreted something.
Yeah and um, and somebody elsewho was gonna be a juror
candidate spoke up so that NeildeGrasse didn't have to.
Is like your honor with?
With respect, that's not whathe said.
Yeah, you are an eyewitness towhat he said and you did not
(45:58):
hear what he said.
Yeah, you misinterpreted youand it was like this in the
moment.
Great anecdote of how like Evensomething within a few seconds.
Mm-hmm.
Nobody has a perfectrecollection of what just
transpired.
That's right yeah we apply ourown influence, ideas,
subjectivity and Things get lostright away.
Speaker 2 (46:19):
We're not which it
goes back to you.
I mean, on our subject, ourperception of time.
Because If you're in one ofthose moments where you're in,
you're in the mode of passingtime, like you're sitting in an
airport, you're not reallypaying attention to your
surroundings because you're justlike I'm trying to get through
this, our weight or whatever Igot to do In a doctor's office
waiting room or whatever that is.
(46:39):
You know you're probably notgonna perceive things in detail,
whereas you know if you'rereally paying attention you
don't have your hand in yourphone, in your hand and things
like that.
Then you know you might be ableto recollect more clearly.
Speaker 1 (46:55):
So and that, and
that's why I, like my, don't
trust my memory if I'm notpaying attention to something.
Yeah and being open to what I'mseeing, then the the fidelity
of what I'm recording.
Speaker 2 (47:07):
Yeah very poor right
in my memory the fidelity.
Wow, all right low fidelityPicture right.
Speaker 1 (47:18):
Or or I start putting
the thing, other things related
next to it and end upconflating memories.
You know they mix together wellthat happens to me a lot.
Speaker 2 (47:25):
I think where I'm
like I remember it this way and
then Then I'll like speak withmy mom about it.
She's like no, I don't thinkthat happened there.
But then I'm, then you're soconvinced of it.
That's the thing about Iwitnessed stuff.
You're so convinced that yourbrain is not faulty, like you're
trying to trick yourself intothink like no, I saw that and
it's, you know, and it's the.
(47:45):
I guess I don't say it wasprobably one of those fallacies,
you know, cognitive orcognitive by cognitive biases
that we talked about is for thereason for that.
So, just like belief that yourbrain doesn't fake is not faking
you out, you know.
Speaker 1 (48:01):
But that wasn't.
That I came across in ourresearch for the previous
episodes is that memory has alot to do with our perception of
time.
Ah, yeah, yes.
It's like what, what weremember recently, or people who
have permanent damage to theirability to record short-term
memory, long-term memory.
Yes have no kind like theythink they're just waking up.
(48:25):
Right every minute.
They think they just woke upright and it's.
It's like hell.
They'll take notes like a andit.
They just they see theirprevious notes and they they
feel like they're going crazy.
Speaker 2 (48:38):
Memento.
Yeah the movie.
Yeah, well, he literally hadlike seconds of stuff tattooed
on his body because he's like Idon't want to forget this.
So he's like, hey, tattoo thison my body so that I can look at
my forearm and see, oh, don'ttrust the guy that wears the
blue jacket or whatever you know.
Speaker 1 (48:58):
I think we all have
some of that to some extent,
right Like I've looked at code,I've written, I'm like I don't
remember this at all.
Speaker 2 (49:04):
Yes, like.
Speaker 1 (49:05):
I'm so glad that I
gave myself some comments to
help me remember what I wasthinking at the time, because
this is stupid, this doesn'tmake any sense.
Yeah thinking and like oh,that's what I was thinking.
Yeah.
Same thing with journaling.
It's like did I write that man?
I was a self-centered jerk.
Am I still a self-centered jerk?
Oh my gosh.
And then yeah.
Speaker 2 (49:28):
And then the next
entry in the journal is hey,
stop calling yourselfself-centered jerk, everything's
gonna be fine.
No, this is your future self.
I actually said that in ourtoast master's meeting yesterday
.
Your future self like Referringto your future self your future
self is not gonna regret, asyour future self will thank you
for you doing this.
You know like, and there's thisperception of like, oh yeah,
(49:52):
I'm actually building my futureself right now, like in the
present moment.
I'm building my future self,whether that's two seconds from
now or ten years from now.
Right, and then hey, to being afur full circle is.
Bring it back to our favoriteatomic habits, james.
Clear is your habits arebuilding you in the for you like
(50:15):
your future self.
So like, the more you know asyou're going down the path.
If you have a habit and youhabitually do something, then
that's that's going to play intowho your future self is.
So I Don't know, it was areally big stretch to get us
back to that, but but, but again, that's that.
Speaker 1 (50:33):
That is like how we
are traveling into the future.
Now, right is Setting yourselfup.
Yep for the future is workingin the present.
Yeah, residual benefits in thefuture, um, otherwise life will
pass you by.
Speaker 2 (50:48):
That's right Like
you're a cryogenic sleep.
Well, what I hope is I hopethat the people that listen to
this don't Think that they werelike man.
I really wish I could have thattime back.
Like I wish I could travel backin time and say don't.
I shouldn't have listened tothese three episodes in February
(51:10):
.
I don't know what the heck Iwas thinking.
Speaker 1 (51:14):
Just send us that
hate mail.
Yeah extra five minutes andtells what you really think, so
we can Shape up right.
Speaker 2 (51:21):
All right, that's it.
That's all she wrote.
We're gonna travel few into thefuture in a positive way,
together, yellow simmering, seeya.