Breaking Free: How Unforgiveness Silently Shapes Your Reality

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Speaker 1 (00:27):
Thank you, hey, it's your favorite Shift your Story.
Coach, coach Tara, welcome toanother episode of Her Authentic
Voice Podcast.
Today we are discussingforgiveness, so grab your pens
and your notebooks or yourjournals, get your favorite
beverage and I will see you inabout 45 seconds.

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Have you ever felt like yourstory didn't matter, that your
voice wasn't enough?
Here's the truth.
Your story is not just yours.
It's a testimony, a light, ablueprint for someone else's
breakthrough.
Welcome to the Her AuthenticVoice podcast, where we break

(01:08):
free from shame, step into boldfaith and use our voices to
inspire others.
I'm your host, coach Tara, andevery episode is an invitation
to own your story, embrace yourpurpose and speak with
confidence.
Are you ready?
Let's go higher together.
Let's live love and beauthentic.

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All right, ladies.
So before I bring up mypowerful, beautiful, anointed
guest, pastor Lisa Reeves of NewWine Restoration Ministries, I
want to drop a few nuggets onyou.
So I'm going to share my screenand we're going to talk about

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forgiveness from a coachingstandpoint, behavior science
standpoint, but rooted inkingdom.
All right, have your pens handy.
I want you to take notestonight, not just from this, but
from the nuggets that PastorLisa will drop.

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If you are familiar with her.
You need a notebook and an inkpen, so don't say I didn't warn
you.
Make sure you subscribe, likethe broadcast, tag somebody who
needs to be on comment.
We want you to ask questionsand if you have a question, put
a Q in front of it so we knowthat it's a question and I'll

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put the questions up later.
But comment, join theconversation.
Okay, so forgiveness, here wego.
The first thing that I want todiscuss with you guys is the
first point is how it's woundsright.

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It's how a wounded heartfilters reality.
Many women are stuck they are,I was stuck for a long time.
Many women are hurting.
I was stuck for a long time.
Many women are hurting.
I was hurting for a long timeand betrayal causes a lot of
wounds and those wounds theyreally filter how we view

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reality right.
So a wounded heart filterseverything through that pain.
That's why Proverbs says for usto guard our hearts.
It says guard your heart withall diligence, for out of it
flows the issues of life.
So if you don't heal, yourheart will keep telling.
Your brain lies Like you'resafer alone, no one loves you,

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god doesn't care.
Look at all the stuff he'sallowing you to go through.
Everyone will hurt you.
You're unlovable, you're alwaysmessing up.
These are lies.
These are lies that arefiltered through your pain, but
you believe them.
So your heart will keep tellingyour brain lies.
Okay, that's point one.

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A wounded heart filters,filters reality, so you're not
even seeing clearly at all.
It's distorted, it distortsyour reality, amen.
Point two forgiveness isn'tdenial, it's divine alignment.
Okay, so I'm not saying listento me, hear, I'm not saying that

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what they did was okay.
That's not what I'm saying.
This is saying that I'm takingmy soul out of bondage, because
when you are held inunforgiveness, your soul is held
in bondage.
So when you forgive, you're indivine alignment.
You're taking your soul out ofbondage and putting it back in

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God's courtroom.
You know what I mean with God'sjustice, where he judges.
He judges justly.
That's a tongue twister.
He judges justly.
So not just me filteringeverything and judging through
my pain, but get it to the Lord,where he is a just God.
You know, jesus tells forgiveand you shall be forgiven.

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So forgiveness is alignment,amen.
It's alignment.
It's choosing his justice, hisway, over the bitterness that
comes from a wounded heart,because bitterness can set in.
So forgiveness is not denial,it is divine alignment, amen.

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Third this is point threeChoosing to heal is holy
rebellion.
Now, I know that rebellion hasa negative connotation, but I'm
not talking about rebellingagainst God.
I'm talking about rebellingagainst his flesh, rebelling

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against what our flesh tells usto do, rebelling against what
the world tells us to do.
So choosing to heal andchoosing to forgive is holy
rebellion.
So Romans 12 tells us don't beconformed to this world, but be
transformed by the renewing ofyour mind.
So when you decide to heal,you're breaking curses, you are

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rejecting the destructive cyclesthat we tend to get in, you're
rejecting isolation, you'rerejecting silent suffering.
You're rejecting all of that.
When you choose to heal, you'retelling the enemy you don't get
to keep me in cycles of pain,you don't get to dictate what I
do with my emotions.
Okay, amen.

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So I want you to remember that.
Let me go through these againso you can see.
Remember that a wounded heartfeels reality.
Forgiveness is in.
Denial is divine alignment, andchoosing to heal is holy
rebellion, amen.

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So as a coach, I see it all thetime when your heart is carrying
unhealed betrayal, your mindfeels like protective narrative.
So you're protecting yourselfthrough the things you tell
yourself, you self-sabotage, youblame, you're hyper vigilant.
You know that's your bodytrying to protect itself and

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it's not wrong in itself, butit's filtered through life.
So that's why your mind has tobe renewed through the word and
often therapy, also therapy.
And jesus Jesus works.
I've experienced this howbetrayal literally wires your
nervous system.
It rewires it to expect pain.
So you're not even expectinghealing, you're expecting pain.

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You're expecting someone tobetray you.
It prevents you from trusting,from letting your guard down.
So healing happens and itbegins when we acknowledge the
wound.
So you acknowledge it and stopdistorting everything.
You start to increase indiscernment.
You know in your reality whenyou're rooted in God's word and

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what he says, and not just whatyour wound is saying to you.
So I just wanted to share thatwith you and I'm going to bring
up my guest so we can go deeper,because we want to dismantle
the lies, we want to hear PastorLisa's story and we just want
to have a conversation and justsee what the Lord does.
This is a sacred space.
It is a space for healing, forstorytelling, for transformation

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and for deliverance.
Amen.
So stay tuned.
Like I said, share.
We're having a conversation.
Make sure you comment.
I invite you to join us incommenting and letting your
voice be heard too.
All right, so let me introduceher.
Pastor Lisa Reeves you ready?

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She like uh-huh, welcome.
Welcome, pastor Lisa.
I am so excited that you'rehere, like for real, for real.
Oh my goodness, for real, forreal, like you are, oh my

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goodness, right For real, forreal.
But before we dive in, I knowyou are.
I've sat on your ministry.
I've been just privileged toreceive words from you.
I've been privileged to justhear your revelation, your
wisdom, the knowledge God hasgiven you, your testimony.
Not all of it I'm still waitingfor it but I've been impacted

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Personally.
I've been impacted by theministry.
But for the women listeningthey're probably like oh, who is
that?
So I want you to tell them whoyou are and also what is the
heartbeat of the work that Godgave you?
So what is the heartbeat ofthat that God gave you?
So what is the heartbeat ofthat?
So tell them who you are andthen, what's that heartbeat of

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what he's called you to do?

Speaker 2 (09:51):
Well, first can I just say thank you so much,
thank you so much for justasking.
And well, we were talking and Isaid we need to do something.
I was like, what can we do?
And you were like, oh, I know.
So I just bless God for you,tara.
I'm telling you, it isabsolutely the Lord, and he has

(10:16):
connected our hearts togetherand our lives together, and I'm
so grateful to the Lord for that.
From the time I met you, thisamazing person with all this
energy, and then when I saw her,it was something about you,
tara, and I believe I said thisto you I said I love the way you

(10:42):
lean in when the word is beingreleased.
When I was teaching or when Iwas sharing, you were leaning
into the word man.
It blessed me so much to seethat because you were at such
attention to what was being said.
So from that point that I metyou to now, god has done an

(11:07):
amazing quick work.
I'm telling you, you're noteven the same person, tyra.
You're not, and I'm not talkingabout you all.
This was a year ago or threeyears ago.
No, this was some months ago.
February had to be February.

Speaker 1 (11:28):
I came to your gleaning in February.
The night of gleaning was thefirst time.
Yeah, it was February.

Speaker 2 (11:33):
Yeah, but I met you at the summit.
The summit was last WithJocelyn.

Speaker 1 (11:38):
Yeah, with Elder Jocelyn.
The summit was last August, wasit?

Speaker 2 (11:44):
I can't remember.
I know it was.
Look I it.
I can't remember, I know it wasnot 2020, but it's just amazing
what the Lord has done and ittakes your obedience to allow
him to do that.
So I'm just, I'm so proud ofyou.
I really am.
Who is Pastor Lisa?
My goodness, I am a wife, I ama mother Two amazing boys, I'm a

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daughter and I'm a sister,blood sister.
I have one sister, my sisterLaShawn, but I'm a pastor and
I'm a leader and I believe thatI am a lighthouse.
I believe that I believe I'm alighthouse and I'm an example,
not just for women, but for menas well, and I'm grateful to the
Lord for that.
I really am my heartbeat andwhat the Lord has given to me.

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It is women and where women isin their brokenness and that
area of being lost and not sureif they will ever be found right
, I want to be that example andI want to be able to love them
and to pull them, remind them ofwho they are in the Lord.

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I really am.
And now it's just the men andit's the young people and it's
the teenagers and listen.
They when they see and theydon't even understand what it is
, but they're like whatever thatis what she has.
I want to be a part of that.
I want to be like that.

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For somebody to have that, theydon't understand even the joy.
For somebody to have that, theydon't understand even the joy,
isn't it something how peoplewon't recognize joy because they
haven't experienced it, whichis sad, but it's true.
So when they see it, they'relike I want that.
What is that?
They're drawn to it.

Speaker 1 (13:44):
Yeah, to just be a lighthouse and are.
I was drawn to it.
So when I was at the valuesummit, we touched on
forgiveness too there, becausewas that the one elder jocelyn
said to call someone that you,that you need to ask for
forgiveness?
Oh that was my.
Like that because it's onething I keep saying somebody you

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know needs to forgive and weneed to forgive sometimes we
need to ask for forgiveness.
And that's when I met you.
You were up there speaking, butyou were so raw, so candid and
I was drawn to that.
The freedom, so free yes youknow, and just stand, and not
only in your femininity, becausethat's something too sometimes.

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You see the women, they're moreyou know, got to be all tough
and no yeah, your anointing doestalking your anointing yeah,
you know what?
I mean, but you walk in yourfemininity and I love that and I
, I just love, I was just drawnto you, like you said.
I'm like, oh, my goodness, Ineed to know who she is, because
that's what you called me to do, lord, and I see it in action
you know, I often say when thestudent's ready.

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The teacher will appear so indifferent levels we are in life
and different people come intoour lives for a reason.
So we met how we were supposedto for a reason so.
I am just grateful and I knowwe've talked about.
You've been a blessing.
We've talked about forgiveness,so I'll I'll start off because

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that right there, when I madethat call at the value summit, I
called my sister Now this is mybiological sister, my mom's
side.
I called her and I said forgiveme, and she's like for what she
was at the gas station orsomething.
I'm crying Forgive me becauseyou have been trying to restore
our relationship and I waspulling further away, just like

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it is what it is.
And then she starts sayingpraise God, because it's
something that she, she wantedand prayed for.
I didn't know it, but mecalling and saying forgive me
broke something off her and wewere able to have this amazing
conversation because I had tostop rehearsing.
Oh well, she did this when Iwas younger and she did this
when I no, I she was stilltrying to reconcile the

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relationship and I was like,nope, we just got to have this
what it is.
It just is what it is Right.
So I had to say forgive me,forgive me.
For real, right.
So I had to say forgive me.
Forgive me for real, forgive me.
I'm so sorry because Irecognize where I messed up.
It's not just you know.
So I wanted to know what madeyou, because me and you talked
and you was like I don't want tojust talk about let's call it

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betrayal, I don't want to talkabout forgiveness why is?
It such.
I don't even want to say hottopic.
But why is this on your heartso?

Speaker 2 (16:27):
badly.
You know why?
Because it has been such ajourney for me in that area of
forgiveness.
It started years ago.
I see one of my daughters havecommented.
Carmel said I want joy.
Right, it's something when youwant joy because you understand

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that you have not had it or youlost it or you haven't
experienced it.
Right, and it's somethingbecause of life and things that
have happened.
Life and things that havehappened.
Forgiveness is so on my heartbecause I had to go through and
I had to endure some horriblethings and what people have said

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and what they have done and howthey treated me, and I was mad
and I was angry.
You all that don't know me.
I am one that I don't go aroundand just deal with things with
sugar and fluff.
I'm just going to, I'm justgoing to share.
I was just very angry and I wasmad and even bitterness had a

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hold of me and even heavinesswas there.
So the Lord had to deal with me.
Isn't it something that we'requick to look at other people
and what people have done?
And, oh, god is revealing atthis time.
Oh, did you hear how God isexposing?
And the truth of the matter is,god is revealing us to us.

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He's really revealing us to us.
He is exposing us to us, andthat's what he began to show me.
He was showing me me.
So listen, I mean, I have withmy mother-in-law, which is my
mother-in-law now, and we didn'tspeak for over 20 years.

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I didn't want to have anythingto do with her, my husband's
mother and I did not want her atour wedding.
I did not want her to be a part.

Speaker 1 (18:29):
Okay, hold on y'all.
Did y'all hear what she said?
We don't have to slow it downfor the people in the back.
She said she did not talk toher mother-in-law for 20 years.
Okay, okay, come on, tell usthis story.

Speaker 2 (18:41):
Yeah.
So those of you that do notknow my husband, rob, he is.
He's white, he's Caucasian, sowe're in a racial couple.
We were dating.
His mother was fine with usdating, but when he began to
talk about marrying me, she hada problem with that and she
began to say do you understandwhat you're going to have to

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face Because you're going to bewith her, if you have children
and mixed children, and whatthey will have to go through?
It was a lot of things that wassaid.
I was angry about it.
Her and I had words I wanted.
I went over to the house.
All kinds of stuff happenedAgain.

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I did not want her at ourwedding.
Rob asked my dad for my hand inmarriage and we were planning
the wedding and I was planningit without her.
I did not want her to beinvolved with anything.
I did not want to see her.
I did not want to see her orshe was not going to be involved
with the boys.

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It was horrible and my husbandwas in the middle of all of it,
when she would call or when shewould come into town because she
moved to Florida.
I did not want her to come over.
She was not allowed at my house, she was not allowed to see the
boys.
It was horrible, when I say Iwas mad and it was anger and it

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was bitterness.
So, all the way until thebeginning of July of 2024, the
Lord began to deal with me so ithas been almost a little bit
over a year began to deal withme so it has been almost a
little bit over a year.
And I was home and I was justsitting and I was home by myself

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.
The boys were gone, rob was atwork and I wasn't praying.
I was just sitting quiet and Iwas doing some work at the table
and, literally, I heard thespirit of the Lord began to
speak to me and he showed me herface.
Now, tara, here's me.
Now, lord, I don't know whyyou're showing me her face.

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Okay, I don't know what that'sall about.
So, okay, I just kept doingwhat I was doing.
I was like, okay, you all, Icould not finish anything before
I knew it.
I was already calling her.
I was calling her.
She answered the phone and, tara, I heard the phone drop.

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It just dropped and I heard herstart wailing, crying in the
background, and she was bawling,crying, and I was crying and
I'm holding the phone and I hadto wait for her to pick the
phone back up.
And she finally picked thephone up and she said Lisa, and
I said yes, and she said no, Ican't believe that it's you.

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And I said listen, I was like Iwanted to call you and to let
you know that I want you toforgive me.
I want you to forgive me forall that I have said.
What you heard me say in yourface, what you didn't hear me
say behind your back, the namesI called you, the way I gathered

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my family to come against youbecause you know we are gather
people, just come on person.
I gathered my friends and Ibegan to talk about her and I
began.
She dropped the phone again.
She got back on the phone andshe said wait, wait.
She said let me, let me say letme speak, let let me apologize.

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She was said wait, wait.
She said let me, let me say letme speak, let let me apologize.
She was like what I said andhow I said it.
And I talked about you.
That means I was talking aboutyour family and talking to your
parents and all of the and we'reboth bawling, crying on the
phone and I said I want you toknow that I love you and I love

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you with the love of Christ.
And she started crying again.
And, tara, all of a sudden Isaid Cher, do you have a
relationship with the Lord?
Jesus, christ, you betterminister, christ, you better
minister.
20 years I did not talk to thiswoman.

Speaker 1 (23:09):
The Lord had me call her which I did not want to call
her.

Speaker 2 (23:17):
Listen, I see, sahara is on there, sahara, I was not
trying to call her and I waslike, and I began to speak to
her about Jesus and who he isand how he can just enter into
her heart and enter into herlife.
And I said well, you know what?
Just repeat after me.
She said whatever you say, I'mgoing to repeat it.
She accepted the Lord JesusChrist as her Lord and her

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savior the beginning of July2024.
And we have been connected andwe were laughing and crying and
my husband came walking in thedoor and he said who are you
talking to, tara?
I was still on the floor, I wasstill on the floor, I couldn't
even get off the floor fromcrying.

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And I said I'm talking to yourmom.
And he just leaned back on thewall and he was like what?
And I was like I've beentalking to your mom for two
hours.
I said and we just been talkingand I've been sharing with her
and I've been talking to herabout the Lord.

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And my husband had to walk away, tara.
He walked away and went intothe bedroom.
He could not believe it and hewas in the room weeping and was
in Thanksgiving.

Speaker 1 (24:37):
Okay, hold on, it's a lot to unpack here.
I 20 years, 2025.
You go back?
What?
2005.
Is I 20 years?
This is 2025.
You go back what 2005?
Is that 20 years?
Y'all help us this out.
I'm english, major inpsychology, not math but, I'm
thinking about now this, becausethere are people watching right

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now who are sitting in thatunforgiveness you're telling us
what after looks like and whatgod can do when you're obedient.
Because that was obedient, youcould have ignored he.
What if he said it before andyou ignored it and you weren't
ready?
No, he could have thoughtbefore you know what was that
like?
How do you get it's likequicksand.
You didn't got in it and you init.
How did you know you were deepin it?

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Or was it immediate?

Speaker 2 (25:22):
no, I you know, because it's something when
you're in quicksand the more youmove, the more you sink oh,
that's come on, even when I wasuncomfortable with it, even when
it was the holidays andchristmas and it was her
mother's day, and I would justbe like, you know, rob wants to

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send a gift and cards and, babe,can you?
You just sign the card.
Y'all, I wouldn't sign the card.

Speaker 1 (25:49):
You wouldn't sign the card.
So see, now I hear bitterness.
That's bitterness, it wasbitterness.

Speaker 2 (25:56):
It was moving in that quicksand.
Guess what I was sinking?
I was going deeper in that, inthat anger, in that
unforgiveness.
And, tara, if I can just goback just a little bit, even as
before, when you first clickedon, you were talking about the
wounds.

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Right, and it's something thatthose wounds are there.
But I want us to understandthis evening that with that
process and when you allow theLord to do it, see, you have to
have a will, right, and it hasto be that timing.
I was not ready five years ago.
I wasn't ready 10 years ago.

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It had to be the Lord.
Those wounds were there, butthe wounds really turned into
wisdom Because the Lord began toreveal me, to me.
I began to see me and see howunhappy I was and how I was

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looking and how I looked to myhusband and how I looked to my
boys, and they were younger, butthey knew that mommy didn't
want to talk about grandma share.
My boys knew that those woundswere open and they were sore
because of that bitterness.
Right, you were talking aboutbreaking the cycles, Tara, but

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and it's the breaking of thecycles and breaking of the
patterns, but listen, we have tomake sure as the breaking takes
place.
We don't recycle.

Speaker 1 (27:32):
Come on, y'all write that down.

Speaker 2 (27:34):
I told y'all we tend to recycle some things, and
that's why, when you're in thatbitterness and you're in that
anger, there's a process for theLord to begin to heal.
That healing has to take place.
If not, the enemy will keep youin that and that heaviness will

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stay on you.

Speaker 1 (27:59):
And in that process it wasn't just your process.
So your husband's in a process,your boys are in a process and
you, you envelop them all inthat because, whether you know
it or not, your husband is inbetween his wife and his mother,
loving both and trying toplease both, and you're like no,

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no, no, oh, my goodness, thefreedom that you gave him and
your boys, the freedom for yourfamily, yes, the cycles that are
broken.

Speaker 2 (28:30):
Yes, and when I got a taste of that freedom for
myself after the Lord wasexposing Lisa to Lisa, right, it
was a great exposure.
You all, right, I know we'requick to look at the headlines
and we're looking to see who'sbeen revealed and what's going
on, but the truth of the matteris the Lord is revealing us to

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us.
He's really exposing you to you, right?
So when I stepped into thatfreedom, my goodness y'all, it
just began to overtake me.
I was like Lord.
Then I was crying.
Then I went into repentance andI was like Lord.
You know, I sat in this for 20years.

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I sat in it and the Lord beganto tell me, lisa, I was doing
some things in those 20 yearsBecause watch this, tara, you
all listen to me.
I began to really lay beforethe Lord and I said Lord,
forgive me, because Imisrepresented heaven, I
misrepresented you.

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How in the world could peoplesee, how could she see the
evidence of Christ on me?
She knew I was preaching, sheknew I was a pastor, she knew
that.
But then I didn't speak to herFor all these years.
That, right there I said Lord,I have been Misrepresenting you.

(29:55):
Help us.

Speaker 1 (29:57):
Come on, help us, jesus.

Speaker 2 (30:01):
It's the freedom, it's the freedom, it's the
freedom.

Speaker 1 (30:07):
Freedom, that's the word.
Yes, miss judy, I see youfreedom.
Latonya, I see you, you'rereally blessing everyone tonight
, even myself, because to me andI don't know, you tell me if
you, if you agree with this,maybe not, but there can be
levels to unforgiveness.
You may not be able to do ablanket, it may take a step

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before you're able to say OK,fully Do you agree with that?

Speaker 2 (30:33):
I agree with it because those blankets are
really time.
It takes time, you know, andit's OK.
You're mad at what was said andwhat happened and you know,
pastor Lisa, I forgive them, butI don't, I'm not going to
forget what they did.
Then you haven't stepped intofreedom, right?

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Because people be like, no, no,no, I forgive, I just won't
forget.
Yes, I know, I heard you thefirst time.
You're not free because theenemy is going to take that.
He's going to take it because,because you haven't forgotten,
so he's going to take it andhe's going to hold it and he's

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going to remind you and, beforeyou know it, it'll be something
that will remind you of theperson or things that happen.
That old feeling will come backup.
Right, it has to be completeforgiveness.
I mean it has to be a completesurrender, even where that you
say the levels, you have to askthe Lord to take it.

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Lord, take this from me, lord.
I've been trying to do it andI've been trying to do it my way
.
I've been leaning there on myown understanding.
It's been my own opinion.
It's been my own emotions, lord, it's been my own feelings.
But, lord, if I completely giveit to you and not pick it back

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up, tyra, because see, if wekeep remembering, we're going to
keep picking it back up andthen you're going to put it in
your back pocket and then, whenyou go to an event or a summit
and you see the person or thepeople, and you'll be in the
middle of worship and all of asudden, those feelings are going
to come back Really.
You're in the middle of worshipand all of a sudden, those
feelings are going to come backReally.
You're in the middle of worship, you lift in your hands and you

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saying Lord, you abide in meand I abide in you and, lord, I
call on you.
You're just singing andworshiping, but afterwards you
will go around the other way toavoid the person.
You won't even speak to them,you won't even look at them.
There's layers of it.
You got to keep going before theLord and saying, lord, I

(32:43):
forgive again, help me, Iforgive again, lord.
Can somebody put that in thechat?
Lord I forgive again.

Speaker 1 (32:54):
I forgive again.
Lord, I literally had toforgive again yesterday.
I forgive again today.

Speaker 2 (33:01):
I saw your text to me .
I was praying.

Speaker 1 (33:04):
I had to forgive again, because we get attacked
from all sides, you know, andespecially in that, because it's
like, just because I'm abeliever, it don't mean you just
can dump everything on me andthen slap me all the time and
bring it out and do it again.

Speaker 2 (33:21):
No, no that's not how it works, and you can't keep
allowing people to do that.
I think, um, some people areused to that.
People just dumping and it's somuch.
And you're already heavy.
Watch this Tara, watch thisVanessa I see Vanessa's on the
chat because the unforgivenesswill bring about heaviness.

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So you know you're heavyalready, but then you have
people dumping all of this.
Now you're carrying their stufftoo and you're just trying to
step into the freedom You'retrying to.
You can't even get in the doorof freedom, because you got
everything on view.
You can't even fit through thedoor.

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You can't even fit through thedoor.

Speaker 1 (34:08):
I can't just say cause I'm so visual, I see the
whole thing, I see, I see thepeople in the door.

Speaker 2 (34:12):
I see all of it, yeah , you, and elbows and and feet
and arms, you're trying to getthrough the door because you're
holding all of their stuff andyours and you mad and it's
bitterness and I.

Speaker 1 (34:26):
You know what I want to know.
If you guys would betransparent in the, in the
viewers who are watching, canyou let us know?
Put a one in the chat if rightnow you need to forgive someone.
Put a one in the chat if rightnow you know that you should
forgive someone, but you'rewrestling with deep anger, maybe

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you're wrestling withfrustration, but you know you
need to forgive, just put a onein the chat.
Okay, there's one.
Thank you for your honesty,vanessa Sharita.
Thank you for your honesty.
Manzari.
Thank you for your honestyBecause you know that you should
Come on.

Speaker 2 (35:03):
Kim got a lot of ones .
Kim got a lot of ones.

Speaker 1 (35:05):
Monica, angela.
Thank you guys for your honesty.
Yes, because we all know weshould forgive, forgive, but we
wrestle with the resentment.
Not want to be a punk, not, youknow and not feeling ready.
So I want to know, pastor lisa,what does the decision to
forgive come first, or doesforgiveness follow healing?

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Does it, how does it?
It's so good.

Speaker 2 (35:32):
It can really be both .
That's so good, honestly it is,and it has to be.
It's such a hard thing, y'all,my goodness, it's a hard thing,
and what our minds and ourhearts we got to kind of.
You said something aboutalignment earlier.
So good, when we look atalignment and you look at the
definition for alignment, itreally it will tell you it's a

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proper arrangement.
Your mind and your heart it's aproper arrangement and you have
to be in the line with heaven.
But your mind is telling youremember, because that and they
said, and how he did, and andthe truth of the matter is we
had the best example becausethey raised him high and they

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stressed him wide, right, hestopped dying, y'all, he was in
the middle of dying and hestopped dying to look to the
father, and we know that right.
But in these fleshly bodies.
That's why every day we have tosay Lord, kill this flesh.
Like Paul said, if you got tobeat me black and blue, this

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flesh has to get up.
You have to have a will to wantit.
You got to be tired enough,tara, to not keep carrying it.
You know it's exhausting, itreally is.
No, people say, no, I'm good,I'm good.
No, you're not good, babe,you're not.
You can't possibly with youcarrying that and that

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unforgiveness.
And is there?
He said he wished above allthat we will be in good health,
that we will prosper as oursouls shall prosper.
Prosper as our souls shallprosper.
There's that bitterness is inyour soul.
Come on, there's a tug of warthere in your soul and you back
and forth, and all you reallyhave to do is drop the rope.

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We're in the tug of war withourselves because the enemy is
laughing and he enjoys it.
When we're mad at each other,that's where we have to be
before the Lord.
That's when that time comes in,tara praying and fasting and
seeking the Lord, saying Lord,help me with this.

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I see Monica is on.
Help me, lord, with this.
I've tried to do it and he will.
He will do it.
I'm telling you to do it and hewill.
He will do it.
I'm telling you.
And before you know it, you'renot going to just say well, you
know, even if I forgive, theyprobably won't accept my
apologies.
So, it's not about them.

(38:06):
We're talking about yourfreedom.
It's about what?
You're going to do, even ifthey don't want to hear you.
You, it's the way you can sayit.
Well, I just felt led.
I wanted to come to you andapologize and watch this, tara,
this is so good because I'veheard people say well, I

(38:26):
apologize, and I was just likeso you're going to apologize to
me?

Speaker 1 (38:31):
mmm, mmm, that's good .

Speaker 2 (38:33):
You're going to apologize to me.
That's good, come on, you'regoing to apologize Now.
You're going looking for anapology.
Oh, if I apologize, they betterapologize back.
No, no, it is what you need todo so you can be free.

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It is what you need to do soyou can be free, so that joy can
begin to just be like aflooding coming in.
You understand that type ofweight that will be lifted
because you did it.
It's not about them, it's aboutyour freedom and you moving
forward.
Stop waiting for apologies.

Speaker 1 (39:13):
Stop waiting for apologies.

Speaker 2 (39:14):
Stop waiting for apologies, and so, even if you
don't get one, you'll be okay.
You'll be okay.
Vanessa said help tonight, lord, help tonight.

Speaker 1 (39:31):
Because that is so good.
So many people are wrestlingwith that.
Look at all the ones we receive.
They know they need to forgive,but they're wrestling with the
anger, the wrestling with takingsomebody off the hook because
you need to pay for what you did.
It's all about I want paymentfor this, I want um recompense.
You have to.
You have to do something.
We can't, I can't just let youoff the hook, but it's like lord

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lets us off every day.
We to do something.

Speaker 2 (39:53):
We can't, I can't just let you off the hook, but
it's like Lord, let's just off.

Speaker 1 (39:54):
every day we literally do something to
someone else every day.
Every day we do something tothem every day we can and
believers as believers.

Speaker 2 (40:03):
Yes, over there on Mark 11, he said listen, if you
don't stand forgiving, he said,then the Father?
The Father will not you all.
We have to have that type offear and to know that, listen,
god is dealing with us.
Well, let me just say me, ok,god is dealing with me every day

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.
You all, I had a situation justa couple of weeks ago when I
tell you the enemy, tyra, y'allkeep praying for me.
It was like out of nowhere, outof nowhere.
And I said, lord, look at thisinterruption, look at how the
enemy just came in like that,trying to remind me of something

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and watch this, watch this Kai,watch this Monica.
The enemy tried to pull me backto something that I don't even
deal with anymore, where theLord is already healed me.
He has healed me.
I mean, I'm walking inwholeness.

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You understand, I'm skippingalong with joy.
I'm doing the backstroke inhappiness.
And the enemy thought he wasgoing to pull me back to
something.
And I said look at thisinterruption.
And you know what the Lord toldme.
Oh, judy, god began to speakand told me Lisa, even with the

(41:28):
interruptions, it's purpose onthe other side.
Oh, it's purpose on the otherside.
The enemy will bring theinterruption.
He's going to bringdistractions, but are you going
to react to them or will yourespond?
And I said oh no, you trying topull me back to something.
Monica, I don't even live thereno more.

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You understand, I don't livethere no more.
You don't allow people to pullyou back to something old, so,
where you are not at anymore,don't, don't allow anyone to do
that.
You stand firm in what the Lordhas bought you out of and what
you're standing on now.
You know.

Speaker 1 (42:12):
I was like, oh no, that's so good's, not a part of
me.
It happened to me also what Ilearned.
I was on the prayer linetuesday and and let's just,
let's tell you did amazing.
Someone came on in a commentabout not letting the devil
steal our joy and things likethat, and I and I was like I let
him distract me for like threehours Three hours probably was

(42:35):
the max and I was back on.
But in the past it would havebeen days, it would have been
just my hope, just falling apartand going into despair and all
these things.
But about three hours I waslike, okay, get back.
I'm grateful for community,because that matters, but you

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bounce back faster than you didbefore.
So recognize, you see, thatnothing he does is new.

Speaker 2 (42:59):
You're doing the same thing he does like you said.

Speaker 1 (43:00):
You're attacking my soul, my mind, my will, my
emotions, but I get right back.
I got right back that's rightso I was grateful for that, like
, okay, I do see you.
And then there was wisdom in ohokay, I thought this is how you
come, this is how I react.
So when that happens again, Ineed to sit and I need to
respond a different way, or notrespond at all, because it's not

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.
You don't necessarily um, yeahit's not necessary, but I like
that you're saying that.
But I wanted people to knowthat if you're not there yet to
be able to bounce back so fast,just give yourself.
Just recognize how you respondor react yes, and yes, give
yourself grace for bouncing backyes, you're not sitting as long

(43:43):
as you did before, because Iwas like, okay, three hours, all
right, yes, yeah, it wasn'tthree days.
No it wasn't three days, but ithas been in the past right, yeah
it has been in the past, so Iknow that you guys.
She had 20 years.
I'm not I don't know how longyou guys been sitting in
unforgiveness, but it broke yourfamily you doing that broke

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chain.

Speaker 2 (44:07):
Yeah, it was the same with family Right, I'm I'm a PK
.
It was five.
It's five of us, and you knowmy, my siblings.
You know they were against meand it was no reason.
It's like Joseph Right.
And you know, my brother, ben,had his wedding.

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I was the only one that didn't.
I did not go to the wedding.
I did not because I knew theyweren't speaking to me, right.
So my brother and one of mycousins were sending me pictures
of the wedding.
I did not want to take my boysthere because we were already
not invited to different familyfunctions.

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This had went on for almost 10,almost 10 years.

Speaker 1 (44:54):
Recently, recently, yeah, no, you had so much coming
against you yeah, in the way ofrelationship and still that
people were coming up againstyou.

Speaker 2 (45:08):
Wow, and you still get up and you give god because,
gift, because you learn.
You learn from it.
Mama, you just said that howyou?
It was three hours.
You know why?
Because you've learned from theother times.
You've grown since then.
There's a maturity, tara, thathas taken place.
You're not going to sit in it.

(45:30):
You understand that it began tosmell after a while, so you're
not going to sit in it.
You understand that it began tosmell after a while, so you're
not going to sit in it.
So that's where that maturity,that growth, has to come.
You all, we can't just keepsitting in it.
Well, I'm just not.
So where's the growth?
He's, he's waiting on us.
He's waiting on us, he'scounting on us, you all, and if

(45:55):
we will be, I'm a lighthouse forthe men and the women right,
the saved, unsaved.
I want them to see the evidenceof Christ.
We can say Jesus all day, butwhere's the evidence?
It has to be an evidence.

Speaker 1 (46:11):
And that's when you know you've learned, Tara.

Speaker 2 (46:15):
I want you to know that because you didn't sit in
it for three days.
Babe, you know what I mean.
You've learned from that.

Speaker 1 (46:22):
People have to learn Too much to do.
I got assignments out here.

Speaker 2 (46:25):
It's too much.
It's too much, babe Too much todo.
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 1 (46:31):
So you, being a pastor, it's a lot, because when
you said something about family, that is literally something I
bet all of us can relate to and,being a pastor, you know we get
, and you're a christian andyou're supposed to, and you're
supposed to all these supposedto that they have a list of
supposed to's for us.
There's a list of oh yeah, fromyour family when you're supposed
to this and you're the biggerperson you're supposed to that.

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Oh well, hold on, hold on.
Oh, let's bring it on back.
So with this you're not beinginvited.
You didn't go.
Is that being a bigger person?
Or how does that resonate, likeyou know, with you being a you
know what and not?

Speaker 2 (47:06):
yeah, um, and I knew that it was going to be better
overall, um, not just for mebecause it was.
It was, you know, I wasn'tlooking at myself.
I knew it was going to bebetter overall, not just for me
because it was.
You know, I wasn't looking atmyself.
I knew it was going to bebetter for my brother.
I didn't want him to be, youknow, thinking like, oh my
goodness, you know, lisa is byherself or, you know, because

(47:28):
nobody out of my other siblings,they weren't speaking to me.
I did not want him to have toexperience any of that.
I didn't want to have to try totalk to my other cousins.
When one of my siblings camearound, that was horrible.
I was like I'm not going to dothat and I'm not going to do
that to myself.

Speaker 1 (47:48):
I was like I'm not, I want to sit here for a minute.
I'm not going to do that tomyself.
I want to sit here for a minute.
I'm not going to do that tomyself.
I so appreciate you givingyourself permission To say that
and do that.
Because do you go and force Ifsomeone doesn't want to talk to
you?
Are you forcing?

Speaker 2 (48:04):
this conversation.

Speaker 1 (48:06):
Come on and drop some wisdom.
I literally just had thisconversation with my sister the
other day, so drop some wisdom.
I hope you're listening, sis.
No conversation with my sisterthe other day, so drop some
wisdom, I hope you're listening,sis.

Speaker 2 (48:17):
No, you don't have to force yourself.
It's why?
Why would you even do that?
Again, you're forcing yourselfNow.
You're putting things back onyou.
It's more stress, it's moreheaviness.
You're nervous, you're tryingto figure out what to do.
You don't have to do that.
I wasn't going to put myself inthat position.

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I wasn't, and then I was goingto be unhappy.
I wasn't going to enjoy thewedding.
I wasn't right.
He began to send me picturesand I enjoyed it.
That way.
You have to know you don't haveto force yourself anywhere
because you don't have to.
The Lord is placing you rightwhere you need to be.

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It's about you.
It's about you.
It's not about forcing, makingpeople here am I see me?
I want to do.
No, the Lord is so cleaning andhe's stripping and he's
removing and he's purging us, sothat when he looks at us, he

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sees himself.

Speaker 1 (49:25):
He's really looking for himself.

Speaker 2 (49:27):
So we cannot Come on reflection.
Oh, come on, come on with thatreflection, come on, we cannot
have unforgiveness.
That's there.
We can't.

Speaker 1 (49:39):
Because you can forgive.
You can forgive, but forgivedoes not mean like.
Let me tell you something.
I think I told you this beforewe talked about this.
Restoration doesn't meanreconciliation.
I can forgive you, I can berestored in my heart.
I cannot have a problem whenyou're around, but that doesn't
mean that I want to be with you.

(49:59):
You know what I mean.
That doesn't mean I want to befriends with you or hang out,
even family relationshipsSometimes those are just not
good for you.
You know you're my relative.
That's awesome, but thatdoesn't mean I got to pick it
with you regularly.

Speaker 2 (50:15):
It doesn't mean it's going to be access.
That doesn't mean we'll there,you go, yeah, and it's okay, and
I have forgiven you, and whenwe see each other, we can speak,
we can wave.
How are you, how's the family?
That nice conversation.
There's just no access to me.
Listen, I forgave you, but it'snot going to be a color purple

(50:38):
moment.
We're not, we're not and it'sokay.
It really is.
It is boundaries there.
I'm not mad at you, I'veforgiven you, but it's going to
take some time for me to trustyou, because what you did, I
forgave you and I'm not going tocontinue to pick it up.

(51:00):
But, man, that trust that I hadwith you because of what
happened, it's going to take mea while, but even in that, while
we're good, it's just no accentCome on.

Speaker 1 (51:13):
I love how you put that.
That's how I feel for those whoare watching.
We're good, it's just no access.
Come on.
I love how you put that.
That's how I feel for those whoare watching.
We're good, I love you.

Speaker 2 (51:19):
I forgave you, but access is just limited it is,
it's limited and it's and it isokay really for both of us and
it's okay yeah, yeah, it'simportant.

Speaker 1 (51:33):
Boundaries are important and we.
It's up to you to respect yourown boundaries.

Speaker 2 (51:38):
We we really messed up.

Speaker 1 (51:39):
We're mad at people because they didn't respect our
boundaries.
They don't have to respect yourboundaries they don't have.

Speaker 2 (51:45):
Yeah, like y'all.
What are we doing?

Speaker 1 (51:50):
you respect your own boundaries.
That's how that works.
But yeah, like you said, it's aheart, heart posture,
forgiveness yes it takes time,yes, time, yes, it's a decision.
You do decide to forgive butit's also a healing process.
Yes, you know so in the church,in your experience are you have

(52:13):
you seen a lot of women dealingwith this, dealing with unmet
expectations, open wounds andyes, are you okay?

Speaker 2 (52:23):
look, I'm like you don't even have to.
You know it's a whole list.
Oh, the list starts from theleader.
Honestly, pastors and leaders.
You know, first ladies.
I know first ladies that arehurt and they are wounded.
I know first ladies that areholding unforgiveness against

(52:45):
their husbands, but they sitthere every week and in every
service and every event.
Right, it's a part of abuse,you know.
And someone that I know verydear, she's a first lady to a
very big bishop in Detroit andshe holds this horrible

(53:12):
unforgiveness towards herhusband and I have talked to her
over and over.
But until she has a will towant to really be before the
Lord and completely surrender sohe can heal her in that area,
so she can walk in wholeness,right, and the enemy fights her

(53:34):
so bad with it and she continuesto pick it back up what he did
and how he did it right.
And they have little children.
Their children are not eventeenagers, but I've told her you
have to be able to allow theLord to do it.
So, from the leaders all theway down and it's a lot that is

(53:58):
in God's house People mentionchurch hurt all the time.
You all.
I am a bit exhausted fromchurch.
Hurt I am and I'm going to saythis in love because we have
been hurt so many other places,but we're still going.
So when people say I don't goto church anymore, I don't deal

(54:20):
with church, church hurt is real.
It is.
But they hurt you on your job.
They didn't hurt you in yourfamily.
They didn't hurt you.
You're still going to work.
You're still dealing with evenif the family have boundaries,
they're still your family.
Don't allow where you have beenhurt in church through someone

(54:41):
and then you're just going toleave.
I really want to say that againbecause people are leaving too
quickly because of theirfeelings are hurt.
Why would you leave?
And you know it's good fruitthere.
You know that you've been fedgood, that you're growing there.
You're, you're a better personbecause you've been there.
Seek the Lord and ask him tohelp you in that area so that

(55:06):
you began to pray.
Watch this, tara, for thosethat have hurt you.
It's a part of forgiveness.
It's a part of forgiveness.
Say it one more time.
Say it one more time, pastorLisa, when you can get to a
place, it is a part of theforgiveness and it's a part of
the healing.
So you can walk in thatwholeness, that the Lord will

(55:30):
trust you enough that you willbegin to pray for those that
have hurt you.
Sincerely pray for those thathave hurt you.

Speaker 1 (55:44):
That right there.
It takes maturity and it doestake you having a certain
relationship with the Lord to beable to do that Because you're
trusting him.
You're trusting him with yourheart.
I remember I heard you say youhad cried out for the Lord to
hold your heart in your hand, inhis hand, and it touched me so

(56:04):
deeply and I'm like I can relateto that, having such a hurt,
broken heart and just saying,lord, give me more grace.
I need more grace.
I need more grace to endure.
I need more grace to parent mychildren.
I need more grace.
I need more grace to endure.
I need more grace to parent mychildren.
I need more grace to deal withpeople every day.
I need more grace for theassignment you have for me,
because it requires me to saythings that ruffle feathers.

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It requires me to step on toesand you know people have
conviction.
I need more grace and I needmore grace.
You know so.
When you say that, it reallymakes me put myself back in what
the Lord wants in front andcenter.
So, even with forgiveness andall of that, I have to say it's

(56:44):
not about me, it's what you want, god.
Like you said earlier.
How does this reflectEverything we do should glorify
the Lord, right?
So how is this?
Glorifying God, my goodness?
You know how.
So how is this glorifying God,my goodness?
You know how?
Is holding this unforgiveness?
Glorifying you, lord.
Is it glorifying you.
It isn't, you know it isn't.

Speaker 2 (57:03):
So, and we have to.
That's that alignment again,right, with our mind and with
our heart together.
We have to watch our words.
We have to watch our words andwhat we say and how we say it.
I catch myself all the time.
I'm just like, lord, help me.

(57:24):
Right?
I have a very strong voice andyou know I'm stern and sometimes
you know people be like, well,pastor Lisa, and I don't even
mean it that way, right, but wehave to watch our words.
When we look over there.
Can someone put it in the chat,or maybe you can, tara.
Psalm 19 and 14.

(57:46):
When you look at Psalm 19 and14, that was David.
David understood that he hadsaid some things and it was not
pleasing to the Lord.
Right, david was a man afterGod's own heart.
And when you began to read theword of the Lord, it says you
know, when you look at Psalm 19and 14, let the words of my

(58:08):
mouth and the meditation of myheart, lord, let it be
acceptable in thy sight.
Isn't it something that Davidsaid?
It was personal Tyra.
He was like let the words of mymouth.
He didn't say let the words oftheir mouths, lord.
Don't you see what they've said?
Don't you see what they've done.

(58:29):
Look at how David said no, it'sjust about me, it's about what
I've done, how I've created this, how I've made mistakes, how
I've made a bad decision.
Lord, let the words of my mouthand the meditation of my heart
Lord what I've been holding andthinking in my heart against

(58:50):
people.
He said let it be acceptable.
Is it acceptable?
Is what we've been saying andpraying and talking and our
communication?
Can you ask yourself, vanessahas my words, my conversation,
lord, has it been acceptable toyou?

Speaker 1 (59:11):
My God Lord, has it been acceptable to you?

Speaker 2 (59:16):
My God, I'm talking about myself, y'all.

Speaker 1 (59:17):
That's a Selah moment , selah.
We got to pause and think onthat thing.
Selah, selah, has it beenacceptable?
Jesus help?

Speaker 2 (59:26):
us.
It's good.
Help us, lord.
You have to make sure it'sacceptable.
You have to make sure it'sacceptable.

(01:00:01):
Tara, you were talking abouthow you were, how you sat.
You dealt with it for justthree hours, but not for three
days, right?
I want you to understand thatwhat you did in the past and I'm
just talking to you, tara, andthose of you that are on the
chat as well, I want to blessyou with this I want you to
understand that how you were inthe past and how you dealt with
things and how you handledthings, how you reacted.
But now you're responding.
Right, they're really lessonsfor you.
That's why you've grown from it.
That's why it wasn't three days, it was just three hours.
I'm saying that to say to Vickythat's on the chat listen.
I want you to understand thatyour past is really lessons for

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you to be learned.
They're lessons to be learned.
It is not for you to go back tothe past to think on how you
were, how you handle things,because you're going to stay
there.
The enemy wants you to be stuckthere.
You don't live there.
Do you all hear what I'm saying?

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You don't live there.
The past is where you'velearned lessons.
It's not for you to live there,so I wanted to just share that
really quick.
I don't know if it's mine.
She said it's like soul food.

Speaker 1 (01:01:01):
I didn't hear that last thing.
It's soul food.
I love that because it is.
When you were talking about thescripture and is it acceptable?
I thought like, wow, this iswhy unforgiveness hurts us so
badly because we have to stewardour mouths.
We have to steward our walk,not the other people.
I have to steward this, youknow.

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So holding unforgiveness hurtsme and it's not pleasing to my
father.

Speaker 2 (01:01:32):
And it hurts you, it's hurting you.
You're heavy with it.
Right away I forgave mybrothers and my sister.
I didn't hold anything againstthem.
I did not.
Some other things happened.
I was still here.
I wasn't stuck in it.
Hey, my Kia, I wasn't stuck init and I wasn't going to allow

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the enemy to hold me by myankles and say, but this is what
they did and you know, theytalked about you when they
gathered together.
Can you imagine what they saidand how they said it again, and
I wouldn't allow it.
When I say I wouldn't allow it,I just began to really lean
Tara, into the Lord and say Lord, you're going to have to help

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me with this, you're going tohave to help me.
I wasn't invited to familyfunctions.
I didn't wasn't invited todifferent things.
I had to be okay with that andI was okay, and I'm still okay,
right.
And now we're back and all of usare talking, and you know it
was OK.
They, you know, started talkingback to me.

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I didn't say well, what aboutwhat you did four years ago?
Don't do that.
What about what?
So I'm just supposed to forgetand forgive and just move on?
Yes, just forgive so that youcan move on.
Do you understand what God isholding us responsible for my

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father, my mother, where theywere training my brother, sam,
to take the ministry?
He didn't want the ministry.
Well, I didn't think abouttaking or being a part of the
ministry because I didn't wantto deal with the church folks,
because I saw how they treatedmy parents, so I didn't.
I didn't, you know, but becausemy dad chose my brother, god

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chose me, hallelujah, he choseme and I'm grateful to the Lord.
I was the one partying.
I don't think we have that muchtime to talk about it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:39):
We got a little time.

Speaker 2 (01:03:40):
I partied real good, y'all real good, and I enjoy
partying and going and doingwhat I wanted to do and how I
did it and who I did it with.
Ok, and I said no, Lord, youyou're not choosing me.
You know what I've done, youknow.
No, you couldn't possiblychoose me.
And the Lord said no, I'm goingto choose you because I can

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trust you, Because if I belifted up, I will be the one
that will draw all men unto me,Lisa.
So when you speak about whatI've done, when you tell them
how I transformed your life andhow I transformed your mind, and
as I held your heart, I beganto do a work in your heart.

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I began to do surgery and Ibegan to pull and strip things
that didn't belong there, thatdidn't look like me, and then I
placed your heart back there andbut if you need me to hold it,
I will.
He said I chose you.
So, Tara, where I am, thatunforgiveness could not stay

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there.
You know why?
Because I'm not going tomishandle the mantle.
Handle the mantle.
I'm not going to just drop themantle from my father and my
mother.
I'm not going to drag thatmantle.
I'm not going to have peoplesay well, you know, Pastor Lisa

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act this way and she didn'tspeak to me.
Baby, I probably didn't evensee you if I didn't have my
glasses or my contacts in.
I didn't mean to People thatknow me know that's not my
character.
I will not allow people to tryto put things on me and say that
I'm this type of person orshe's still this and that's who

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she is.
No, I will not be a leakyvessel.

Speaker 1 (01:05:33):
That's good, I will not be a leaky vessel.
Oh, that's good, I will not bea leaky vessel.
No, that's so good, hallelujah.

Speaker 2 (01:05:44):
God is helping us.
He's helping us.
You all, let God arise and lethis enemies be scattered.
Come on, he's waiting on us.
Who is that?
Is that?
Is that?

Speaker 1 (01:05:57):
I'm gonna read it out .
There's a question, yes, andit's.
It's from vicky hold on vicky.
Let me get it up here.
It says question pastor lisa,how do you respond when folks
feel some kind of way becauseyou have forgiven, maybe
forgiven them but you don't wantto be around them or go to

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gatherings or take their call?
So how, she's asking, how doesshe respond to them?
How do?

Speaker 2 (01:06:24):
you respond?
How do you respond to peoplethat feel some kind of way?
She's not yes, yes, but youhave forgiven them, right, vicky
?
She's saying feel a kind kindof a way because you have
forgiven, but you don't want tovicky, um, that's on them.

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If they feel a certain kind ofway, vicky, that has nothing to
do with you, it does not.
And how do you respond?
You can respond, gentle.
You can respond if they feel acertain kind of way, if they
call you, vicki, if they want toknow, if they text you and say
well, you know what, why youdidn't show up or why you don't

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want to go.
Just be honest, vicki.
Right, people will try to finda way out of things.
You don't have to becauseyou've grown into that.
You have forgiven them, butyou've moved on.
You can respond very carefully,vicki.
Make sure that you don't reactto it, don't you just say what
you're going to say right offthe top of your head Well, I

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done forgave you.
Now you should just leave it.
Or I done forgave you, I justdon't feel like being around
y'all.
I don't like no, you'rereacting there.
I want you to be careful torespond to them, right?
So if they ask you.
You know why haven't you showedup?
Why won't you come by?
Why don't you come throughsometime?
Just let them know.
You know what?
I'm just in a place right now.

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Listen when I tell you God isdealing with me.
He is dealing with me.
So, as right now, let me givehim room to do that and we're
good.
I may not be able to, you know,be there at the event.
No, I don't.
You don't have to give me aticket.
I don't think I'm going to beable to make it, because even

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what you feel in that way, we'regood.
But I don't think I'm there yetand I'm OK.
I just need to sit before theLord.
He's dealing with me.
Respond, vicki, right, she saidmy.
My anointing irritates them.

Speaker 1 (01:08:31):
Absolutely.
I believe that.

Speaker 2 (01:08:33):
I believe that.
I absolutely believe that, notjust your anointing, but Vicki,
if you have that anointing andit's wrapped in joy and it's
wrapped in peace, they will beirritated.
So that's why you can respond,because of the peace that's on
them.
If they feel a certain kind ofway, you that's on them.

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If they feel a certain kind ofway, don't you take that on,
vicky, I don't want you to carrythat that's on them, right?
So you just respond, don'treact to it.

Speaker 1 (01:09:02):
so let's talk about and that's such a good answer
because we do need to.
I know I've had to work on thata lot in the past.
I've grown a lot, but sometimeswhen I do respond, I mean react
versus respond.
I feel bad, like.

Speaker 2 (01:09:18):
Lord.

Speaker 1 (01:09:19):
I am so quick to repent, I am quick to just
seriously.
I am a Lord correct my behavior.
I don't.
I constantly want to be betterthan I was yesterday.
That is, people who know meknow this is true.
I know that about you.
But I feel it's easier for meto forgive other people than
myself.

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So I want to talk about that,like we talk about forgiving
others and we know we need toforgive others, but how was it?
How?
How important is it for us toforgive ourselves, for women to
forgive themselves, and and whatdoes that look like like
practically and even spiritually, when we don't like?
What does it look like in ourlives and how we take care of

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ourselves when we're notforgiving ourselves?

Speaker 2 (01:10:04):
Oh, my goodness, listen, that's so, it's so good,
because that's where it has tostart, that healing yourself,
your heart, your mind, right,your spirit, all of that.
It has to be that healing hasto start with you.
It really does.
So it's still yet a process forit and you have to be open to

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it.
You have to give yourself grace.
You have to, you have to giveyourself grace.
You have to, you have to giveyourself grace and you have to
be before the Lord.
Listen when I say that, becausethe enemy, over the years he
have tried to really pin thingson us as women.
We carried other people,carried our mothers, carried

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what our grandmothers, our aunts, what, and we have to get in a
place that we're going to allowthe Lord to really shed us right
, that purging, that removing.
He has to chisel some thingsoff of us then that we can't
keep picking it back up.
We have to really die to self.
I wish Shay was on, becauseShay said something some months

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ago and she said you know,pastor Lisa, fasting will become
a lifestyle.
And it's so true, fasting hasto become a lifestyle, like
don't just say you're going tofast at the beginning of the
year and then you're waiting onthe Daniel fast and then you
don't fast again.
You know what I mean.
You, baby for the Lord, and yousee what the Lord he may have

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you fast for three days straight, just water.
It may be one day, 24 hours, nophone, no TV, laying on the
floor laying at his feet,letting him pull out of you and
began to pour back in you.
Let God do it.
That is that time.
That's that habitation, tyra.

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That's in Psalm 91.
We speak about Psalm 91, butwhen you look over there, that
habitation, david understoodthat was a place that he just
was going to meet God there.
He didn't bring nobody with him, it wasn't the intercessors, it
wasn't your prayer partner, itwasn't.
You know what I'm saying.
You met him there and that'swhen God will began to really

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dig in there and began to showyou who you are.
That's where that healing takesplace and the Lord will show
you that attitude.
My goodness, I love that.
Yeah, yeah, that.
That, that that part of youthat you have to forgive
yourself, what you did, what yousaid about yourself, on

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yourself and how you said thingsand how.
When you looked in the mirrorthen you didn't want to look
back at yourself and how youwill put yourself down.
We got to go back, you got to goback and you got to repent for
that and say Lord, all of thosewords, listen, we are quick to
say no weapon formed against meshall prosper and every tongue
that has rise or has raisedagainst us, god is really, what

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about your own tongue, that part, what about that weapon?
Maybe your mouth?
Maybe the weapon is your mouth.
Lord, help me, help me withthis Lord.
I'm surrendering all to you.
That's why that fasting and I'msurrendering all to you.
That's why that fasting andthat prayer, that fasting going
to deal with your flesh.
Every day, every day.

Speaker 1 (01:13:43):
So with the jewels, we have a corporate fast and I
encourage them to have a day, atleast a day, of personal fast.
So, yes, fasting is definitelya lifestyle and the Lord will
call you to fast.
I know he calls me to fast, sodefinitely it's.
It's awesome.
Yeah, this walk is something,yeah, really beautiful it really

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is I'm great I am too.

Speaker 2 (01:14:07):
I am too because it feels.
It feels amazing it does it's.

Speaker 1 (01:14:12):
The joy is the real.

Speaker 2 (01:14:14):
It's real right, because when you hold it, tara,
that heaviness will bring onsickness and you'll be sick who
said that my kia?

Speaker 1 (01:14:25):
did somebody say, yeah, my kia has spoke on,
wasn't it you, my kia?
You were saying thatunforgiveness, here it is.
She said unforgiveness willcause sickness.
We can't hold on to anything oranyone.
Let it go y'all.

Speaker 2 (01:14:40):
Yes, yes, and you will make yourself sick.
You will make yourself sickbecause you're holding that
against and towards someone else.
You're sick All of a sudden.
I don't know what it is.
I've had this headache forthree days.
I've never get headaches.
It's not worth it, right?
It's not worth it, I've beenout of battle cancer.

Speaker 1 (01:15:02):
I was in a hospital with sepsis shock.

Speaker 2 (01:15:05):
I was told I had three days to live.

Speaker 1 (01:15:07):
It ain't worth it.

Speaker 2 (01:15:09):
It's not worth it, tyra, it's not worth it.
You got back pain your shoulder, you.
You can't sleep.
What, what, what?
Your stomach is upset.

Speaker 1 (01:15:22):
You haven't been able to eat for a week.
What my kid said, lord, Iforgive myself and I release
myself from the bondage I putmyself in.
I forgive myself in Jesus name.
Yes, lord, so good.

Speaker 2 (01:15:35):
How many others need to?

Speaker 1 (01:15:36):
say this.
How many others need to declarethis?
Lord, I forgive myself Iforgave all the things in the
past, but every day forgiveyourself.
Every day we fall short, everyday there's something.
Oh man, I wish I didn't saythat.
Oh, I wish I didn't know that.
I forgive myself again, as yousay.
I forgive again I.
Oh, I wish I didn't know that.
I forgive myself again, as yousay.

Speaker 2 (01:15:56):
I forgive again.
I forgive myself again.
Yep, there you go.
Prophet Brandon is on.

Speaker 1 (01:16:03):
Bless you, nephew, if you all have any questions.
We're going to wrap up in about15 minutes, but if you all have
any questions, please post themin the chat.
I am so enjoying this.
I want to know.
Me too, them in the chat.
I am so enjoying this.
I want to know me too.
I want to know from people inthe chat have you ever had to

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ask someone to forgive you?
Because I think it's soimportant that we look in the
mirror and, as it says in james,that we look intently and we
don't walk away forgetting whatmanner of person we are.
Because often we do that welook intently and we don't walk
away forgetting what manner ofperson we are, because often we
do that we look and then we walkaway and forget who we are.
What you know, we really are atour core, so it's really
important to self-reflect.

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So have you asked someone toforgive you, you know?
I want you guys to think aboutthat, whether, I don't even know
, somebody could say no, no, Idon't forgive you, I don't
forgive you.
Isn't that something if you?

Speaker 2 (01:17:04):
know really that is they may not.

Speaker 1 (01:17:07):
And then what do you do with that?
Oh yeah, yeah, what?
What do you do if you don't getan apology, you don't get
changed behavior?

Speaker 2 (01:17:13):
yeah, yeah, and I have.
I've come across that justrecently and guess what from a
pastor that I didn't do anything.
I didn't, I didn't do anythingbut because others have said and
how others treat him.
So when, when I saw him, I wentto like lean in to say hey, and

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he kind of was like hey, I waslike and I just, you know, I
leaned back over to him and Iwas like really, and I was like
what, what is this?
And we're in the middle ofservice, the music is loud, and
and I just leaned over to him Iwas like bless you.
I said I pray all is well withyou and I just went on because

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guess what, tara, that's not forme to carry, I don't have
anything to do with that At all.
We have to be careful not tocarry things.
Now you're weighed down, I'mnot going to carry that.
That carry things.
Now you're weighed down, I'mnot going to carry that.
That's not mine.
So he's mad, or he was mad orstill mad.
I don't know because of whatwas said and how people began to

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speak.
I don't know it just right?

Speaker 1 (01:18:26):
Don't even try to figure it out with me.
Don't try to figure it out.

Speaker 2 (01:18:32):
No, I was like okay, don't't do it.

Speaker 1 (01:18:35):
It's called rumination when we ruminate over
and over yeah when we thinkabout something over and over
and we can't stop.
It's called rumination and ittakes you in this, this spiral.
You literally was spiral out ofcontrol.
You have to stop it.

Speaker 2 (01:18:48):
You literally have to yeah, it's, no, it will put you
in a pit of despair.

Speaker 1 (01:18:53):
It will put you in a pit of despair, but what he did,
he has to contend with the lord.
For that I'm gonna tell you.
I was at church one day.
This was, I don't know,probably two years I don't know,
a couple years ago and somebodydidn't speak that I'm like,
because I'm like, hey, how youdoing, that's me how you doing.
And she looked at me and didn'tspeak.
Now this is somebody that's kindof you know, popular in the

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church, whatever, and I'm justlike, huh, are you just not
going to like?
What's wrong with you?
So I go to my seatmate, myclock is, I'm like, and even
speak to me.
Why did my mouth fill with salt?
God is my witness.
My mouth starts filling withsalt.

Speaker 2 (01:19:38):
I believe you.

Speaker 1 (01:19:39):
He's telling me no, you cannot even talk about her.
You can't even say Take yourmouth off my people.
He's teaching me a lesson there.
You cannot just go talking.
You don't even know what'sgoing on with her.
I'm sitting up there.
She didn't speak to me.
I'm telling my friend next totalking.
You don't even know what'sgoing on with her.
So I'm sitting up there.
She didn't speak to me, and I'mtelling my friend next to me.
She didn't speak.
I don't know what's wrong.
He stopped me immediately.

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It was a lesson I learned thatday.

Speaker 2 (01:20:03):
You cannot, because I'm his daughter.

Speaker 1 (01:20:05):
She's his daughter.
I don't know what's going on.

Speaker 2 (01:20:07):
What kind of news you don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:20:10):
I going on in her life, I don't need to be going
gossipy because she didn't speak.
So he taught me right then andthere season was taught, so I
got that lesson right away.

Speaker 2 (01:20:22):
So when he did.

Speaker 1 (01:20:24):
The lord will deal with him, because he doesn't
deal with us.
So that's a lesson for you guysdon't be so quick, because god
is watching.
So quick he watching and he gotme together like this.

Speaker 2 (01:20:35):
Whatever he was going through, or however it happened
with whomever else, it hasnothing to do with me.
And for him to just, you know,treat me that way.
I just and listen.
I leaned back in, I said listen, I wish you well, I'm praying,
all is well with you and yourfamily.
And they were trying to get meto my seat.

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They were like, well, PastorLisa, we're going to seat you up
and I'm like I'm ready to getinto the worship and I'm like,
sorry, that's him, that hasnothing to do with me.
We are not going to carry thatDon't carry it.

Speaker 1 (01:21:17):
But that right there Pastor Lisa is talking, talking
about.
We have to be that way.
What God taught me in thatmoment, I don't do that anymore.
So he taught me you can't dothat I'm not pleased with.
So don't do that.
Mouth filled with thought, youstill blessing him and still
going about you don't know youdon't know what people are going
through.

Speaker 2 (01:21:33):
It's so much stuff going on now.
You don't people what peopleare going through.
It's so much stuff going on now.
You, you don't people have,will have no idea what I'm
facing just day to day.
Right, it is God's grace that Ican just continue to go and to
do, but I know to rest.
So you know I'm resting thisweek and I was like I may rest
next week, just so I can bebefore the Lord.

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Right, because it just it willbe so much.
I saw prophet Brandon Lamar.
What did he?
He said?
He asked yep, you see it.

Speaker 1 (01:22:05):
He asked his mentees, yeah, Lamar Williams, I had to
ask my mentees to forgive me forexpecting them to grow in
knowledge and revelation at therate I thought they should be.
That's good.
I was expecting them tounderstand as I do.
I had to ask for forgiveness.
That's so good.

Speaker 2 (01:22:24):
So good.
That is so good.
That's so good.
That's that's man, that's sogood.
I'm proud of you for that, budI am.
That is maturity, that iswisdom, my good, and that's an
example that I'm telling you.
That's why he is.
He's a lighthouse to manypeople because the Lord can use

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you.
Oh, my goodness, you understandwhat he did for them, for them
to see that it's the same withmy boys.
My boys have seen people comeand go, even in the ministry,
and things that have happened.
I have to be careful the way Ishare with my boys.
Right, rob has seen people hurtme and he's just like I'm tired

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of this.
Not too long ago, he was justlike I don't want people calling
you mine anymore.
You know they call you mine,they hurt you and it's the same.
And I said I can't do it likethat, babe, I can't.
I was like I can't.
I have people in my life thatthe Lord has connected to me.
What they have done and whatthey've chosen to do, that's on

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them, that's that's on them todo, that's on them, that's
that's on them.
And I just went on to the point.
You know, not too long ago, joshnoticed, um, that someone had
said and did something and Joshsaid, oh, so that's what a wolf
looks like in sheep clothing.
Our youngest son and I was likewhat.
And I looked at him.
I was like what, and I lookedat him, I was like what.

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He was like yeah, so that'swhat a wolf looks like in sheep
clothing.
Because people think she's sosweet and she's.
So he was like mom, they haveno idea.
And I said, well, and look, Ihad to take a moment, like let
me just.
I said, well, listen, peoplewill see.

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It is not for me to share it,it is not for me to tell them
what she has done.
So I was trying to you know,like it's not for me to gossip,
because that's what you'd begoing to gossip, and you start
talking about people.

Speaker 1 (01:24:30):
I have literally keep growing.
I have literally keep growing.
God is continually growing mewith even what you can share as
a leader, because everybody Iremember Bishop said this before
Bishop Cass, he's my Bishop hesaid everybody can't see behind
the curtain Like you can't all,everybody can't be that close
because they wouldn't be able tohandle it.

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You know, everybody can't seeall your trouble, or they went,
you know it may cause them tostumble, they may not be able to
understand what you go through.
You know, because they havethis image and perception, I
guess, of what it should be likeyou know, yeah, I like this
right here, lamar said I'm notcarrying your reality.

Speaker 2 (01:25:13):
I am not responsible for it.

Speaker 1 (01:25:15):
I like that so much.

Speaker 2 (01:25:16):
I love that.
Oh my goodness, somebody needto hit that on Facebook, post
that, post that y'all.
Oh my goodness, I am notresponsible for it and we're not
.
We're not responsible for howpeople feel and they feel a
certain kind of way.
I hope, vicki.
Vicki, did you get that?

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You are not responsible, youare not through it all, as the
Lord is.
He's really teaching us andshowing us.
Even when it's a struggle, evenwhen it's hard.
You all, there is teachablemoments.
He's teaching us.
And guess what?
Through it all, tara, you beganto say, listen, I've learned to

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suffer well, there's asuffering, that's there, but you
will learn to suffer well,through all of it.
I said, lord, what is this Like?
Back to back, it's just, youknow, uh, the warfare and the
attacks.
And just coming from, and thelord said I'm, I'm getting you
to a place, lisa, where you willconfront betrayal.

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My goodness, did I ever?
I'm like, oh my goodness, butyou got to confront it.
Well, it is a way that youconfront it.
This is a way it's, it's not.
You know, you see somebody inwalmart and then there's a
cleanup in aisle five becauseyou start throwing the soup cans

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and come on y'all, come on wellwe got.
We have to do it the way thelord will have for us to do it.
Was there any more questions?

Speaker 1 (01:26:57):
there are no more questions.
But what I'm going to do ishighlight you because I want you
to give whatever closingremarks the lord has laid on
your heart and relating relatingto this subject.
I really love confront betrayalwell, because so many are
holding that betrayal yes, andallowing it to you know.

(01:27:17):
Oh, somebody said yes, I gotthat okay let me go ahead and
and remove myself.
I want to highlight you and Iwant you to.
I'm going to come back, but Ijust want you to share some
closing remarks.
So we, I just bless you.
This was great.
It's just great.
You guys enjoyed this.
Let Pastor Lisa know youenjoyed her.

Speaker 2 (01:27:38):
She's going to share some closing remarks.

Speaker 1 (01:27:39):
And then we'll close out.
Amen.

Speaker 2 (01:27:43):
Amen.
I want to put it down earlierin my notes and I want to share
it with you.
We know the word of the Lordspeaks about the armor of God
and how to put on the wholearmor, the full armor of God.
What I want us to do is I wantto ask you, not a question, I

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want to make sure you know,check your armor.
Okay, amen, check your armorevery day.
Check it.
You know that helmet of right.
Come on, y'all right.
You got to make sure that helmetwhich covers your mind, where
your mind is such a battlefield,it's such a field where the

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enemy comes in and he brings allhis shenanigans and all that
mess comes in, and he brings allhis shenanigans and all that
mess.
We have to be able to beanchored in the word of the Lord
and to know listen, not today.
He's waiting.
By the time we open our eyesevery morning, he's mad that God
has given us a new day.
You understand that right?

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That's why we need to commandour mornings.
First thing in the morning,when we open our eyes, hell is
mad because God has given usanother day, and not only has he
given us a new day, but his newgrace and his new mercy.
So, because he is already mad,the enemy is already plotting

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and he's scheming and he'strying to bring up thoughts from
last week or something thathappened last month, or whatever
you was dealing with two daysago.
He's trying to bring thosethoughts.
But it is for you to begin tostand in the authority, start
speaking who you are before yourfeet even hit the floor, that I

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am fearfully and wonderfullymade, that this is the day that
the Lord has made and I havechosen to rejoice and to be glad
in it.
Come on, began to say thatyou're victorious, that today is
blessed, that every challengeyou're going to step in it with
wisdom.
You command your morning andcommand your day.

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Listen, check your armor.
Check your armor.
Make sure that that breastplateis right where it's supposed to
be, where your heart is guarded.
Come on, ask the Lord.
Lord, hold my heart in yourhands on today.
Get quiet with him, sit at hisfeet, just like Mary did,

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because when Jesus began tospeak, his words fell on top of
Mary because she was in thatposture, she was in the right
position, right.
That's why he had to deal withMartha.
She was so busy.
But Mary understood.
Is your heart postured, wherethe Lord can begin to speak and

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pour in to your heart.
Come on y'all.
Where he began to wipe away andmove some of your own, those
feelings, that's there.
You have to give it, surrenderall of it.
I wrote also get control ofyour emotions.
No-transcript.

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I want to step into thisfreedom.
Lord, I thank you for thishealing.
Not only am I healed, lord, butI'm walking in wholeness.
Come on y'all.
Isn't that good?
I wanted to just share thatwith us this evening.
And another thing I wanted toshare just what the Lord was
speaking about July.

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June was a month that we werein the middle of the year, but
now we're in July.
July is the seventh month,which is completion.
Right, it is God's perfectnumber, but I want us to know in
July that this is a month forus to start and to finish.
To start and to finish.

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July is also going to be amonth, just like June, to make
decisions.
It's time to make decisions andstick with it.
Okay, it is a month of return.
The Lord kept speaking that tome.
It is a month of return,returning back to your first
love, returning back to him sothat you can surrender and that

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you can be in repentancesurrender, and that you can be
in repentance returning back towhat God has for us, and then,
in return, he's going to returnsome things that's been held up
that he's going to release to us.
It will be a latter rain inJuly, so I just wanted to
release that, amen.

Speaker 1 (01:32:52):
Hallelujah, Amen, Amen.
This is good.
Everyone is like this is sogood, this is so good.
You guys look Welcome to PastorLisa and listen.
That all cost baby.

Speaker 2 (01:33:06):
Oh my goodness.

Speaker 1 (01:33:08):
So I am so grateful for you.
I'm grateful for everyone whohas watched.
I thank you for tuning in.
I pray that you tune in againnext.
Wednesday at 8 pm, and I'mgoing to ask Pastor Lisa to pray
us out.
So, everyone, have your heartspostured to hear the Lord, hear
this prayer, receive this prayer, and I just pray.

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Something was broken off youtoday, that a changed mindset, a
new perspective came for youtoday, you know, and that you're
going to forgive again.
Ok, amen, pastor Lisa, will youclose us out in prayer?

Speaker 2 (01:33:45):
Yes, thank you so much, tara.
Thank you, this was amazing.
I'm so proud of you.
I am, I'm just, I'm like aproud mama.
I am, I'm just, I'm so proud ofyou.
I am, I'm just, I'm like aproud mama.
I am, I'm just, I'm so proud ofyou and I'm just looking at you
and the Lord spoke things overyou and you were just so
obedient and you just steppedright in and because of your

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obedience listen to me, hell,hell is mad and heaven has to
respond like heaven isresponding.
Because of your obedience, I'mthanking the Lord for the
provision and for all of theresources.
I'm thanking him for the divineconnections.

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I thank him that the propheticwords that has been spoken over
you are so alive and is bringingsuch recompense even now.
In the name of Jesus, lord, Ithank you even now for the
healing of her body.
Your body will respond to God'sword.
In the name of Jesus, it ismuch for you to do.

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It is much, tara.
You are God's lighthouse.
The ships will be lost at seaif your light goes dim.
It is the light that is on theinside of you that is drawing
the ships into safety.
It's drawing the ships intosafety and I bless God for that.
You can be honest and you canbe real and you are letting the

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Lord teach you and show you, andhe trusts you with his people.
So if he trusts you with hispeople, he's going to trust you
with his wealth, and that's whyyou will be a storehouse for the
Lord, so that he knows he cantrust you to build the kingdom.
Father, we thank you.
We thank you for this time,lord, and for this opportunity.

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I thank you, o God, for yourpeople on this evening.
I pray, o God, that ears wereopen to hear and hearts were
open to receive just what thespirit of the Lord was speaking
to us on this evening.
I pray, lord, that hearts weresoftened.
I pray, lord, that they've beenasking you, lord, hold my heart
in your hands.

(01:35:56):
That, lord, they're goingdeeper in you, that they're
going to begin to speak to youmore and fast, oh God, and seek
your face.
That, lord, they're not goingto be holding the unforgiveness,
all that heaviness, lord, andall that bitterness, oh God,
lord, I'm asking you to dosurgery even on this evening,
that, even on this time tomorrow, lord, they'll begin to speak

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different and they'll begin torespond.
Oh God, I thank you for each andevery person, every household
that is represented even now,and those that will see the
replay.
Oh God, that they have heard aword that they will understand,
that there's some freedom thatthey can step into, there's some

(01:36:41):
joy and some peace.
Oh God, strengthen your people,lord.
It's a lot going on, lord, it'sa lot of chaos and it's a lot
of noise, but, lord, we're gonnalean into you because you are
our source and you are ourrefuge.
Oh God, you're, you're ourbanner, lord, you're, you're our
Nisi.
Oh God, you're, you are ourRafa, and we love you and we

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honor you.
Bless us indeed, lord, even aswe rest on this evening, that we
can command our evenings.
Lord, we love you and we honoryou, and it is in your name,
jesus, amen, amen, hallelujah.

Speaker 1 (01:37:22):
Hallelujah.
Thank you Lord, thank you,pastor Lisa.

Speaker 2 (01:37:26):
We bless you.

Speaker 1 (01:37:27):
Thank you, lord.
Continue to bless youabundantly.

Speaker 2 (01:37:32):
I receive it.
I receive it.
So you guys, we are out of here.
We love you to bless youabundantly.

Speaker 1 (01:37:35):
I receive it.
I receive it.
You guys, we are out of here.
We love you, bless.

Speaker 2 (01:37:44):
God for you, I know, I know it was good.
Have a good night everyone.
It was good.
Have a good night.

Speaker 1 (01:37:51):
Bye.
That's it for today's episode.
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It'll show you exactly whereyou're stuck and what God is
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All right?
Is that all right?
Okay, I'm proud of you, I'mrooting for you and until next
time, remember to live love andbe authentic.
This is your favorite Shift,your Story coach, Coach Tara,
and I'm out.

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