January 11, 2023 • 25 mins
When Leslie told me she wanted to nerd out about love, I was a little skeptical. I greatly underestimated the number of words we could use to talk about this multi-faceted concept. Tune in this week to hear how Leslie Marshall shows love through who she is and how she interacts with the world.
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Joy Blue (00:10):
Welcome to Here We Are.
The podcast where we celebratethe beauty of being a nerd by
learning about nerdy things fromfellow nerds.
I'm your host, Joy Blue.
I met today's guest at one of mydogs and my favorite places to
go (00:25):
Home Depot.
I walked to the self-checkoutarea with our four year old
Pyrenes- lab mix Mac, and wasmet with a genuine smile, real
conversation, and the perfectdose of goodness to fuel me for
the rest of my day.
Selfishly, I asked this human tocome join me on Here We Are so
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we could keep talking.
And to my surprise, sheaccepted.
So without further ado, here'smy new friend, Leslie to talk
with us about love in all itsforms.
Leslie Marshall (00:58):
I am Leslie.
I would describe myself as um,this might sound weird, but like
a piece of glitter if you'reworking on a project or if
you've been to a party and youtake a shower and that one piece
of glitter won't go away.
It's always sparkling.
That's
Joy Blue (01:14):
love.
So,
Leslie Marshall (01:17):
do you.
Joy Blue (01:18):
I love that.
I have never heard anyone saythat.
Leslie Marshall (01:21):
Really
Joy Blue (01:22):
That's amazing.
Leslie Marshall (01:23):
That's just how I see myself
Joy Blue (01:26):
Did someone tell that to you, or did you figure that
out along the way?
Leslie Marshall (01:30):
No, I figured it out along the way.
People are always asking methroughout my journey of life,
why are you always so happy?
Why are you always smiling?
And I'm like, that's just weirdto me.
But I'm like I, I don't know.
I mean, It's just who I am.
Joy Blue (01:42):
It's your normal.
Leslie Marshall (01:43):
say?
Yeah.
Joy Blue (01:45):
Yeah.
That is a gift for sure.
All right.
What do you want to nerd outabout today?
Leslie Marshall (01:51):
Love
Joy Blue (01:52):
Oh.
Okay.
Leslie Marshall (01:55):
love and like just, it comes in all different
aspects, but more specifically,like I have always asked people,
more so older couples, that havebeen married 30, 40, 50, 60
years, what's that one thingthat kept you guys together
during a rough time?
That's why you didn't walk awayand.
Joy Blue (02:14):
mm When did you start doing this?
Leslie Marshall (02:19):
Uh, Started asking questions.
I would say it's been probablyat least 10 plus years ago
because I failed at it, and Iwanted to know, like from other
people what, what made yourmarriage or your relationship so
successful.
Not to say success looks like aperfect, because we're all
imperfect people,
Joy Blue (02:38):
right.
Leslie Marshall (02:38):
but.
Joy Blue (02:39):
What have you learned along the way?
What have been some of your ahamoments?
Leslie Marshall (02:43):
It's all about like how you respond to the
issues in life with yoursignificant other.
You know, You can either yell,scream, curse, treat'em like
crap, or you can sit down liketwo adults and talk about it.
Doesn't mean you won't raiseyour voice cause you're upset.
You're upset, you're in yourfeelings.
Feel what you feel.
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don't hit below the belt.
You know what I mean?
Don't use things that a personhave shared with you against
them to attack them.
Joy Blue (03:10):
yeah.
Fight
Leslie Marshall (03:11):
You know, They're not your enemy.
If your significant other hasshared with you in conversation
throughout time some of thehurtful things that they may
struggle with, but to throw thatback in their faces, it's like
that can be super painful andsome people have a hard time
with forgiving after that, youknow?
Joy Blue (03:29):
Yeah.
So what I'm hearing us startingto talk about is the bigger
bucket of significantrelationships.
And inside of that, you've beentalking about marital
relationships, but I think thatapplies to like familial
relationships as well.
So when you enter into, apotentially hard conversation,
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like I heard one rule is fightfair, don't play dirty.
Don't throw people's experienceback at them for your own
benefit.
What are your personal rules forhow you engage in a conversation
like that?
If I were to come to you andsay, Leslie, we got a problem,
what would you do?
Leslie Marshall (04:11):
I would hear you out.
I would first brace myself did Ido something to offend you?
You know what I mean?
I'd be like, whoa, wait, what'sgoing on?
You know?
Um, And then I think too, Ilisten more like to a person's
tone and their body language.
I can tell then, okay, this ispretty serious.
Joy Blue (04:26):
Yeah.
Leslie Marshall (04:26):
And I'm willing to be open.
It's just the kind of personthat I am, and everybody is
different.
I'm a very open kind of person.
I'm an understanding person.
Doesn't mean that it, what theperson is conveying to me
doesn't hurt, but I am open tosee it from their point of view.
And I will try my best to makesome changes if need be.
Sometimes depending on theperson, like you said, with this
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whole thing with love, it'sacross board, not just in a
marriage or relationship.
It's a cross board with anyrelationship, friends, mom and
sister, brother, whatever.
I try to listen and see what itis I may have said or done to
offend them,
Joy Blue (05:01):
Yeah.
What I'm hearing you say is aprinciple I've heard of like,
just to put a name to it, islike looking for the thing under
the thing.
Leslie Marshall (05:08):
Yeah.
Joy Blue (05:09):
Like you might be saying one thing, but what I'm
hearing you say is by studyingthe body language and by really
listening to their tone andtrying to get the whole package,
you're actually listening forthe thing under the thing.
Leslie Marshall (05:20):
Yes.
Joy Blue (05:21):
That's a skill.
Leslie Marshall (05:23):
You know what?
And it takes work.
Like I said, I've failed.
I have failed so many times.
That's what made me veryinterested in asking questions
and wanting to learn morebecause I wanna be the best
version of me and I wanna beable to not tear down other
people, not hurt other people.
I mean, It happens in life.
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but I don't wanna do things onpurpose or it's just I wanna be
mindful, but, not walkingthrough life walking on
eggshells, but just beingconsiderate of others.
Joy Blue (05:54):
Yeah.
But what I'm also hearing yousay in that is being able to be
direct and being able to havemutual trust between you and the
individual you're talking to.
Leslie Marshall (06:02):
Absolutely.
I'm very clear
Joy Blue (06:04):
breaking this thing down, there's so much more
underneath this.
It's not just fighting fair,it's creating an environment
where the person you're withknows I will be heard.
Also, there will be a time forme to talk and there's already
mutual respect there.
Leslie Marshall (06:20):
Absolutely.
Yes.
Joy Blue (06:22):
How do you walk into a hard conversation and not take
personal offense to things?
Leslie Marshall (06:29):
Ooh, that's a tough one.
I'm not sure that I, ooh, thatis a tough one there.
Not take personal offense, Ithink sometimes, well, I just
gotta be honest.
I sometimes I do take personaloffense, but I find a way to
deal with it.
Um, I, I really do try tounderstand from their point of
view, and like I said, I canunderstand something, but it
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does not negate the fact that myheart hurts behind it.
It's just like, it is what itis.
I am a bit offended behind whatthey said.
I try to talk it out.
Well, well what was it and whywas it?
And, but this and that.
I try to really break it downand get those little things.
So I'm clear on why they gotoffended in the first place.
You know?
I try to, like I said, I try toreally listen and one thing that
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I've learned too in life withthis is trying to really hear
the person while not thinkingabout what I wanna say next.
It's just like, no really,really hear them out.
That's a tough one too.
But I really try to put it intopractice because sometimes
people can say things, it's justlike, Put it out.
Really?
Are you kidding me right now?
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Somebody taught me to say, may Isay something?
Joy Blue (07:35):
Mm,
Leslie Marshall (07:35):
Instead of just Interrupting.
Joy Blue (07:37):
Yes.
Leslie Marshall (07:38):
Because when you just interrupt, especially
when it starts to get a littleheated, now they're bringing
more offense and it's just oh,are we gonna get anywhere?
Trying to be kind, to slide inthere because sometimes when
people are sharing what hurtthem to you, they're touching on
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multiple different things.
Joy Blue (08:00):
Oh, it's so
Leslie Marshall (08:01):
be able to comment on some of those things,
and they try to wait until theyget done.
You've forgotten some of thethings that they said already.
So it's just do you mind, may Ishare something or may I say
something, trying to gently,respectfully Ooh, may I cut in
here?
To say, to answer that, if theygive you the respect to do so
be, it has to be respect on bothsides to be able to cover these
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bases, because otherwise oneperson is just doing all the
talking and the other person issometimes just shut down.
Okay, I'm done.
Joy Blue (08:30):
Yeah, that's usually me.
I have done a lot of learningthis year about how to stay
present in hard conversations.
I haven't had a lot ofexperience until this year, and.
I'm hearing all the thingsyou're saying and my experience
matches them perfectly.
Leslie Marshall (08:47):
yeah.
Joy Blue (08:47):
in my work life, I'm a show caller, so I sit in the
back of the room in bigcorporate meetings and I call
all the cues for audio, video,and lighting, and.
I'm always on headset.
And so one of the things we haveis a protocol for how to talk on
headset.
Usually if I wanna talk to you,I will say Joy for Leslie, and
you'll say, go for Leslie.
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That's how I know that you'reready to hear me out.
Leslie Marshall (09:12):
Okay.
Joy Blue (09:12):
Or like, when I'm trying to talk to somebody who's
in another conversation, I'llsay, Hey, Leslie, when you have
a minute.
And that's my work version of Iunderstand what you're saying.
And like giving the other personan opportunity to opt in.
That's something my wife and Ihave talked so much about this
year is the principle ofconsent, especially in these big
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conversations.
Are you overwhelmed?
Do I have your consent to keepgoing on this topic?
Leslie Marshall (09:41):
Yeah.
Joy Blue (09:43):
But it.
Leslie Marshall (09:43):
so good.
I like that.
Joy Blue (09:45):
It's listening, it's being present.
It's also being aware of theother person.
It's like all the things you'retalking
Leslie Marshall (09:51):
Yes,
Joy Blue (09:52):
and at the end of the day, like my wife likes to say,
a lot of times conflict is lovebecause you're close enough to
wrestle with the person
Leslie Marshall (10:01):
Yes.
Joy Blue (10:01):
to care about, like I truly wanna understand what
you're saying.
And sometimes that mightconflict with who I am and what
I understand, but I'm in it herewith you.
Let's talk.
Leslie Marshall (10:13):
Yes.
I love what you just saidbecause throughout my journey of
life, and I would ask all theseolder couples about, you know,
how long they've been, well,they will share how long they
have been together, and I'm justlike, oh my God.
To me that translates that youare an overcomer.
You've overcome so manyobstacles throughout your
relationship.
That to me, I'm like horray!Bravo.
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Because to me, true love is thetough times.
When you can overcome the toughtimes.
When you are willing to stick inthe, you know, you, you hang in
there, and everything you justdescribed because it's easy to
walk.
Joy Blue (10:46):
yeah.
Leslie Marshall (10:46):
and I'm not gonna lie, I've done that
multiple times.
I've walked away because it'slike, you know what?
I can't.
But what I think I, I don't knowif about your past, but in my
past with relationships I havetend to stay there longer than
what I should have because I'mtrying my best to, hold on.
You have to know when the righttime to hold on.
And you have to know when towalk away.
Joy Blue (11:07):
right.
Leslie Marshall (11:08):
And unfortunately I've held on way
too long for too many times inrelationships, not to blame
everything on that person, butwhen it's done, it's done.
When it's over, it's over.
But I think when you know it'ssomething special, some that's
something in you, it's justlike, no, we gotta talk about
this.
We gotta work this out, youknow?
and it feels healthy.
Joy Blue (11:29):
yeah, that also comes back to the principle of
consent.
Are you both consenting to therules of engagement for this
conversation?
Leslie Marshall (11:37):
Yeah.
Joy Blue (11:37):
And when one person does not consent to the rules
anymore, then it becomes unequaland there's a cost
Leslie Marshall (11:44):
Yeah.
Joy Blue (11:44):
for every action, there's a cost.
And so my new line, pulling fromGlennon Doyle is the person I
will no longer disappoint ismyself.
Leslie Marshall (11:53):
I love that.
Joy Blue (11:54):
So when the cost becomes me, the cost is too
much.
Something has to change
Leslie Marshall (12:00):
so good.
That's so good.
Joy Blue (12:02):
and that's a whole new flavor of love.
Leslie Marshall (12:04):
Oh, yes.
it really is.
Self-love is so important.
It's so important.
A lot of us don't do it, andwe're always stretching
ourselves thin for everyoneelse, but not ourselves.
You have to have that self-loveA friend, well, she really
wasn't a friend.
I knew of her.
She gave me a gift one day justout of nowhere, and I was so
shocked.
In the gift, there were multiplelittle things.
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One was a little plaque that youput on the wall.
You know those phrases
Joy Blue (12:30):
Yep.
Leslie Marshall (12:30):
said something about like, uh, you are smart,
you are talented, you arestrong.
They said, be kind to yourselfbecause you can do amazing
things.
I had never gotten that.
Be kind to yourself.
I always wondered, what doesthat look like for me?
And um, I went through somethings in life and every day I
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would look at that plaque and Iwould read it.
And that it always stood out tome.
Be kind to yourself.
That's that self-love.
I had to be able to learn toback up away from certain
situations, people, whatever,and work on me.
Joy Blue (13:06):
yep.
Leslie Marshall (13:08):
make sure I'm putting inside of myself
positive things and speakingpositive things, and not getting
caught up in all the negativityand allowing phone calls or
people saying things to me tocrush me and bring me down.
It's like be kind to yourself.
Whether whatever that looks likefor each person, if it's going
to the gym, changing your diet,your mindset, whatever, that's
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being kind to yourself.
And a lot of us don't do that.
We're so busy needing theattention of others,
Joy Blue (13:36):
right.
Leslie Marshall (13:36):
always on the phone, you know, on social media
looking for attention.
It's just there's nothing wrongwith that, but it's like just
having that quiet time withyourself, learning to love you,
being okay in your own skinwithout your phone jumping off
the hook every second or textingsomebody every second,
Joy Blue (13:53):
yeah.
That's a whole nother concept ofbeing able to actually be
present.
Practicing presence is love.
Leslie Marshall (14:02):
it is.
Joy Blue (14:03):
Something I've learned along the way is being able to
ask someone say, Hey, hold onjust a second.
What I'm hearing is that I thinkyou need something from me.
Can I clarify what you need realquick?
Are you looking just to beheard?
Are you looking for feedback?
Are you looking for me to sayback to you what I think I heard
you say?
What kind of space can I holdfor you?
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For me, that helps me get in theright mindset of oh, they
actually don't want my opinion.
My job is to sit here and tolisten.
And there's a phrase that saysbeing listened to is so close to
being loved that most peopledon't know the difference.
Leslie Marshall (14:40):
Oh my gosh.
Wow.
Wow.
Joy Blue (14:44):
what you're saying is practicing the ministry of
presence I am here.
Leslie Marshall (14:49):
yeah.
Joy Blue (14:49):
It's not my job
Leslie Marshall (14:51):
Mm-hmm.
Joy Blue (14:51):
to fix You, to advise you or to rescue you, but it's
my job to hold space with you.
Leslie Marshall (14:57):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Joy Blue (14:58):
That is love.
Leslie Marshall (14:59):
That is so good.
Yes, absolutely.
Joy Blue (15:02):
Look at us.
Touching on so many kinds oflove, okay?
Leslie Marshall (15:07):
I love it.
I love how you put it.
It just makes complete sense andI'm a person that's I'm a clear
communicator, and this is a partof what you've been saying.
I just like to be clear, I wanta clear standing, even like at
work on my team, I feel likeit's very important for everyone
to know what's going on whenthey're a certain, something
happens.
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We need to get the word around.
We need to ensure that everybodyunderstands what's happening,
because if somebody is off, itmesses up the whole thing.
We need to be clear.
Same thing in relationships.
I need to be clear how you feel.
Joy Blue (15:40):
Yep.
Leslie Marshall (15:41):
you need to be clear about how I feel.
You know, If there's certainthings I told you in the
beginning.
You need to know my boundaries.
I need to know yours.
You vice versa.
You know, It, it's importantjust in life, period, knowing
people's boundaries, being clearwhat's going on, and
communication is clear.
Like I, I know people who areafraid to really share their
feelings, and I'm just like, Itry to work with them with that,
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and I cannot imagine notsharing.
It's just about how you share.
You don't have to shareeverything, and your delivery
doesn't need to be funky, but atleast give a little bit so that
people are clear.
Cause otherwise people sometimeswalk all over you and then
you're carrying this angerinside.
And that's not fair to you.
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That's not self self-love.
You gotta give yourself the selflove,
Joy Blue (16:25):
yep.
I just heard on a Glennon Doylepodcast that assumptions are
budding resentments.
But also what I'm hearing yousay is when you interact with
people that don't feel safe toshare, you have the empathy to
be able to slow down and say,oh, this might be something
that's scary to you.
Let me do my best to createspace where hopefully you can
feel safe enough.
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You can know I'm gonna hear youand I'm not gonna walk all over
you.
Leslie Marshall (16:49):
Yes,
Joy Blue (16:50):
That's also a gift.
Because you're in tune with theother person.
Leslie Marshall (16:53):
I try to be, because I don't want anybody to
feel like I'm doing that tothem,
Joy Blue (16:59):
Mm-hmm.
Leslie Marshall (16:59):
And I feel like sometimes two people hold back
because they've been hurt before
Joy Blue (17:03):
Right?
Leslie Marshall (17:05):
and I know that I can be very private.
I share a lot of things.
That's a lot of fun stuff.
But when it comes to that reallydeep stuff, sometimes I, I hold
back, you know, with my privatelife, because years ago I shared
with some leaders, and beforeyou knew it, like everybody knew
and it was just like
Joy Blue (17:25):
this is not a safe space.
Leslie Marshall (17:27):
Yeah.
And that crushed me to where Ishut down completely.
But through the years I had tolearn to trust again.
And trusting with it can be avery tough thing.
It just can be a very toughthing when you've been hurt over
and over again.
And then also too, going througha lot of rejection.
Joy Blue (17:45):
Yep.
Leslie Marshall (17:46):
I, it is just been a lot.
And um, I think that's why I'vehad multiple failed
relationships because it justfeels like through life, you're,
You're growing.
You're growing.
I wasn't who I was 15 years
Joy Blue (18:02):
Mm-hmm.
Leslie Marshall (18:04):
So I could apologize to whoever I was with
15 years ago.
I'm sorry.
I was not who I am today.
You know what I mean?
I have a lot more to offer todaybecause I've matured in more
ways than one.
You know, We all are in workingprogress, so
Joy Blue (18:21):
But that's also giving yourself permission to evolve.
That's part of being in a safespace.
Something that my wife and Italked about from the beginning
is I'm excited to see all theiterations of you.
I like your iteration now, andalso, I know you're not gonna
stay as who you are now becauseof what you said.
I go through things every dayand every time that shifts me a
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little bit more.
Or I learn from experience, oh,that doesn't feel good.
I don't wanna do that tosomeone.
So awareness is continuallygrowing.
But another part of love isaccepting the iterations.
Leslie Marshall (18:57):
You know why I think it's great?
Because in this world there's somany people that are hurting.
There are a lot of hurtingpeople and I feel like in my
heart there's just so much loveand joy in there and I just want
to share it with people becausethere's so many hurting people
in this world that you don'tknow.
Like at my work when I met youand I'm meet people, I don't
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know if a person just lost aloved one or if they just got
divorce or just lost their jobsor just anything that caused
them pain when they come in thatdoor, I don't try to do
anything.
It just happens naturally.
I'm like, hi, welcome.
And it is just spreading thelove through a smile, through a
hug, through a uh, encouragingword through whatever it is.
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People need that.
And I don't know why I have itto give, but I just give it, you
know what I mean?
You just never know how it mayalter someone day.
So
Joy Blue (19:54):
You could be that one bright spot that they needed in
order to get through.
Leslie Marshall (19:58):
Exactly.
Exactly.
Yeah.
Joy Blue (20:01):
That's amazing awareness too, because we're
coming back to all the thingswe've already talked about.
The ability to be present.
When I met you, I walked in withmy dog and you talked to both of
us.
When people wanna talk to my dogand they talk to me, not just
the dog, that's great.
I love that.
And then we started talkingabout dog pajamas and we
started, all of these differentthings and I just wanted to keep
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talking to you,
Leslie Marshall (20:26):
Yeah.
Joy Blue (20:26):
which is why I asked you on the podcast so I could
selfishly keep talking to you.
Leslie Marshall (20:29):
I love it.
Joy Blue (20:31):
but I also saw you interact with other people while
I was with you, and yourdemeanor stayed the same.
Your demeanor didn't change whenyou talked to a coworker.
Your demeanor didn't change whenyou talked to another customer.
You showed up as you, and byshowing up as you, you enabled
other people to show up asthemselves.
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It's something the recoverycommunity talks about of leaders
go first.
So what I saw in that moment wasyou went first.
You said, you know what?
I'm gonna show up.
I'm gonna see you.
I'm gonna say hi.
I'm gonna make eye contact withyou and smile, which I don't
know, somebody might not havehad any eye contact that day.
Or any friendly faces looking atthem.
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And in that moment you said, Isee you, you're important.
Thanks for being here.
Your presence is noted.
Leslie Marshall (21:18):
Yes, it's very important to me to make people
feel loved, welcomed.
Um, like that new person, likewhen I, you know, I think we've
all experienced it in life.
You're the new kid at school.
First sit on a job.
Joy Blue (21:32):
yep.
Leslie Marshall (21:32):
know, You're just, you're always a new person
somewhere.
You're walking in a new storeand you need some assistance.
People don't always feelcomfortable asking for
assistance depending on howthey're treated, so, because
I've experienced, as I saidearlier, rejection and all these
kind of things through my life,even as a kid growing up, I hate
it with the passion.
So I don't want anybody else togo through that.
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So I'm just like, I wanna bethat person and make them feel
like family.
So I do that.
I do it.
I just, it's important to methat every person on this earth
feels loved in some way becausewe all need some form of
attention.
We all need some form of love.
And I just, I'm happy to be ableto give it
Joy Blue (22:14):
That's beautiful.
As the the saying goes, usuallyyour biggest wound creates your
biggest strength.
Leslie Marshall (22:22):
Wow.
Oh my gosh.
I've never heard that before.
And that so fits me.
Yeah.
Joy Blue (22:28):
I've heard that over and over again in this
conversation with you.
Leslie Marshall (22:31):
Uhhuh.
Uhhuh.
Joy Blue (22:33):
That's both resiliency and redemption.
That's owning your
Leslie Marshall (22:37):
Its, it really is.
Never looked at it that way.
Joy Blue (22:40):
that's having agency and saying that, yeah, this has
happened to me.
Like we say in the recoverycommunity, what has happened to
me is not my fault, but what Ido with it is my responsibility.
Leslie Marshall (22:50):
Absolutely.
Pass it on to others.
Joy Blue (22:53):
you've done that.
Leslie Marshall (22:54):
Yeah.
Thank you.
I do feel like it's important,like what we go through in life
is not for us, it's for someoneelse.
Because there will be someone tocross your path.
Joy Blue (23:04):
Yep.
Leslie Marshall (23:05):
that is going through what you went through
that you already healed from,that you overcame, and you can
help them through it becausethey're looking at you like,
wow, Joy, you're so successful.
You're this, you're that.
They have no idea about yourhistory and what you've been
through.
You know what I mean?
They see like the victoriouspart of you.
And they never would think thatwe've been through that.
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I've been told that so manytimes that people hear a little
piece of my story and what I'vebeen through.
It's like if you only knew
Joy Blue (23:32):
Mm-hmm.
Leslie Marshall (23:33):
But I'm so grateful for where I'm today.
Not that I'm a perfect person,but I know I've come through a
lot and I'm very happy in whereI am today.
I am.
Joy Blue (23:44):
It has been such a gift to share time with you.
Leslie Marshall (23:47):
Oh, thank you.
I appreciate the fact you'vebeen off.
Asked me to come on.
Joy Blue (23:51):
Thank you for your time.
This has been lovely.
Leslie Marshall (23:54):
Thank you so much and have a good one.
Joy Blue (23:57):
So here we are! My time with Leslie went by so
fast.
She truly embodies the love thatwe talked about in this episode.
I'm reminded today of the simplepower of a warm smile and a
genuine hello.
We're back to talking aboutwelcoming, about creating spaces
for all to be seen and loved.
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Leslie, I am so grateful for howyou showed me love when I met
you, during this interview, andI'm so excited to see how life
develops for you moving forward.
If you've got a flavor of nerdthat you want me to celebrate, I
would love to hear all about it.
So go ahead and email me atherewearethepodcast@gmail.com,
and tell me everything.
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celebrated.
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So until next time, don't forgetthat curiosity wins and the
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world needs more nerds.
Bye.
Welcome to Here We Are.
The podcast where we celebratethe beauty of being a nerd by
learning about nerdy things fromfellow nerds.
I'm your host, Joy Blue.
I met today's guest at one of mydogs and my favorite places to
go (00:25):
Home Depot.
I walked to the self-checkoutarea with our four year old
Pyrenes- lab mix Mac, and wasmet with a genuine smile, real
conversation, and the perfectdose of goodness to fuel me for
the rest of my day.
Selfishly, I asked this human tocome join me on Here We Are so
(00:46):
we could keep talking.
And to my surprise, sheaccepted.
So without further ado, here'smy new friend, Leslie to talk
with us about love in all itsforms.
Leslie Marshall (00:58):
I am Leslie.
I would describe myself as um,this might sound weird, but like
a piece of glitter if you'reworking on a project or if
you've been to a party and youtake a shower and that one piece
of glitter won't go away.
It's always sparkling.
That's
Joy Blue (01:14):
love.
So,
Leslie Marshall (01:17):
do you.
Joy Blue (01:18):
I love that.
I have never heard anyone saythat.
Leslie Marshall (01:21):
Really
Joy Blue (01:22):
That's amazing.
Leslie Marshall (01:23):
That's just how I see myself
Joy Blue (01:26):
Did someone tell that to you, or did you figure that
out along the way?
Leslie Marshall (01:30):
No, I figured it out along the way.
People are always asking methroughout my journey of life,
why are you always so happy?
Why are you always smiling?
And I'm like, that's just weirdto me.
But I'm like I, I don't know.
I mean, It's just who I am.
Joy Blue (01:42):
It's your normal.
Leslie Marshall (01:43):
say?
Yeah.
Joy Blue (01:45):
Yeah.
That is a gift for sure.
All right.
What do you want to nerd outabout today?
Leslie Marshall (01:51):
Love
Joy Blue (01:52):
Oh.
Okay.
Leslie Marshall (01:55):
love and like just, it comes in all different
aspects, but more specifically,like I have always asked people,
more so older couples, that havebeen married 30, 40, 50, 60
years, what's that one thingthat kept you guys together
during a rough time?
That's why you didn't walk awayand.
Joy Blue (02:14):
mm When did you start doing this?
Leslie Marshall (02:19):
Uh, Started asking questions.
I would say it's been probablyat least 10 plus years ago
because I failed at it, and Iwanted to know, like from other
people what, what made yourmarriage or your relationship so
successful.
Not to say success looks like aperfect, because we're all
imperfect people,
Joy Blue (02:38):
right.
Leslie Marshall (02:38):
but.
Joy Blue (02:39):
What have you learned along the way?
What have been some of your ahamoments?
Leslie Marshall (02:43):
It's all about like how you respond to the
issues in life with yoursignificant other.
You know, You can either yell,scream, curse, treat'em like
crap, or you can sit down liketwo adults and talk about it.
Doesn't mean you won't raiseyour voice cause you're upset.
You're upset, you're in yourfeelings.
Feel what you feel.
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don't hit below the belt.
You know what I mean?
Don't use things that a personhave shared with you against
them to attack them.
Joy Blue (03:10):
yeah.
Fight
Leslie Marshall (03:11):
You know, They're not your enemy.
If your significant other hasshared with you in conversation
throughout time some of thehurtful things that they may
struggle with, but to throw thatback in their faces, it's like
that can be super painful andsome people have a hard time
with forgiving after that, youknow?
Joy Blue (03:29):
Yeah.
So what I'm hearing us startingto talk about is the bigger
bucket of significantrelationships.
And inside of that, you've beentalking about marital
relationships, but I think thatapplies to like familial
relationships as well.
So when you enter into, apotentially hard conversation,
(03:51):
like I heard one rule is fightfair, don't play dirty.
Don't throw people's experienceback at them for your own
benefit.
What are your personal rules forhow you engage in a conversation
like that?
If I were to come to you andsay, Leslie, we got a problem,
what would you do?
Leslie Marshall (04:11):
I would hear you out.
I would first brace myself did Ido something to offend you?
You know what I mean?
I'd be like, whoa, wait, what'sgoing on?
You know?
Um, And then I think too, Ilisten more like to a person's
tone and their body language.
I can tell then, okay, this ispretty serious.
Joy Blue (04:26):
Yeah.
Leslie Marshall (04:26):
And I'm willing to be open.
It's just the kind of personthat I am, and everybody is
different.
I'm a very open kind of person.
I'm an understanding person.
Doesn't mean that it, what theperson is conveying to me
doesn't hurt, but I am open tosee it from their point of view.
And I will try my best to makesome changes if need be.
Sometimes depending on theperson, like you said, with this
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whole thing with love, it'sacross board, not just in a
marriage or relationship.
It's a cross board with anyrelationship, friends, mom and
sister, brother, whatever.
I try to listen and see what itis I may have said or done to
offend them,
Joy Blue (05:01):
Yeah.
What I'm hearing you say is aprinciple I've heard of like,
just to put a name to it, islike looking for the thing under
the thing.
Leslie Marshall (05:08):
Yeah.
Joy Blue (05:09):
Like you might be saying one thing, but what I'm
hearing you say is by studyingthe body language and by really
listening to their tone andtrying to get the whole package,
you're actually listening forthe thing under the thing.
Leslie Marshall (05:20):
Yes.
Joy Blue (05:21):
That's a skill.
Leslie Marshall (05:23):
You know what?
And it takes work.
Like I said, I've failed.
I have failed so many times.
That's what made me veryinterested in asking questions
and wanting to learn morebecause I wanna be the best
version of me and I wanna beable to not tear down other
people, not hurt other people.
I mean, It happens in life.
(05:43):
but I don't wanna do things onpurpose or it's just I wanna be
mindful, but, not walkingthrough life walking on
eggshells, but just beingconsiderate of others.
Joy Blue (05:54):
Yeah.
But what I'm also hearing yousay in that is being able to be
direct and being able to havemutual trust between you and the
individual you're talking to.
Leslie Marshall (06:02):
Absolutely.
I'm very clear
Joy Blue (06:04):
breaking this thing down, there's so much more
underneath this.
It's not just fighting fair,it's creating an environment
where the person you're withknows I will be heard.
Also, there will be a time forme to talk and there's already
mutual respect there.
Leslie Marshall (06:20):
Absolutely.
Yes.
Joy Blue (06:22):
How do you walk into a hard conversation and not take
personal offense to things?
Leslie Marshall (06:29):
Ooh, that's a tough one.
I'm not sure that I, ooh, thatis a tough one there.
Not take personal offense, Ithink sometimes, well, I just
gotta be honest.
I sometimes I do take personaloffense, but I find a way to
deal with it.
Um, I, I really do try tounderstand from their point of
view, and like I said, I canunderstand something, but it
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does not negate the fact that myheart hurts behind it.
It's just like, it is what itis.
I am a bit offended behind whatthey said.
I try to talk it out.
Well, well what was it and whywas it?
And, but this and that.
I try to really break it downand get those little things.
So I'm clear on why they gotoffended in the first place.
You know?
I try to, like I said, I try toreally listen and one thing that
(07:12):
I've learned too in life withthis is trying to really hear
the person while not thinkingabout what I wanna say next.
It's just like, no really,really hear them out.
That's a tough one too.
But I really try to put it intopractice because sometimes
people can say things, it's justlike, Put it out.
Really?
Are you kidding me right now?
(07:33):
Somebody taught me to say, may Isay something?
Joy Blue (07:35):
Mm,
Leslie Marshall (07:35):
Instead of just Interrupting.
Joy Blue (07:37):
Yes.
Leslie Marshall (07:38):
Because when you just interrupt, especially
when it starts to get a littleheated, now they're bringing
more offense and it's just oh,are we gonna get anywhere?
Trying to be kind, to slide inthere because sometimes when
people are sharing what hurtthem to you, they're touching on
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multiple different things.
Joy Blue (08:00):
Oh, it's so
Leslie Marshall (08:01):
be able to comment on some of those things,
and they try to wait until theyget done.
You've forgotten some of thethings that they said already.
So it's just do you mind, may Ishare something or may I say
something, trying to gently,respectfully Ooh, may I cut in
here?
To say, to answer that, if theygive you the respect to do so
be, it has to be respect on bothsides to be able to cover these
(08:23):
bases, because otherwise oneperson is just doing all the
talking and the other person issometimes just shut down.
Okay, I'm done.
Joy Blue (08:30):
Yeah, that's usually me.
I have done a lot of learningthis year about how to stay
present in hard conversations.
I haven't had a lot ofexperience until this year, and.
I'm hearing all the thingsyou're saying and my experience
matches them perfectly.
Leslie Marshall (08:47):
yeah.
Joy Blue (08:47):
in my work life, I'm a show caller, so I sit in the
back of the room in bigcorporate meetings and I call
all the cues for audio, video,and lighting, and.
I'm always on headset.
And so one of the things we haveis a protocol for how to talk on
headset.
Usually if I wanna talk to you,I will say Joy for Leslie, and
you'll say, go for Leslie.
(09:08):
That's how I know that you'reready to hear me out.
Leslie Marshall (09:12):
Okay.
Joy Blue (09:12):
Or like, when I'm trying to talk to somebody who's
in another conversation, I'llsay, Hey, Leslie, when you have
a minute.
And that's my work version of Iunderstand what you're saying.
And like giving the other personan opportunity to opt in.
That's something my wife and Ihave talked so much about this
year is the principle ofconsent, especially in these big
(09:36):
conversations.
Are you overwhelmed?
Do I have your consent to keepgoing on this topic?
Leslie Marshall (09:41):
Yeah.
Joy Blue (09:43):
But it.
Leslie Marshall (09:43):
so good.
I like that.
Joy Blue (09:45):
It's listening, it's being present.
It's also being aware of theother person.
It's like all the things you'retalking
Leslie Marshall (09:51):
Yes,
Joy Blue (09:52):
and at the end of the day, like my wife likes to say,
a lot of times conflict is lovebecause you're close enough to
wrestle with the person
Leslie Marshall (10:01):
Yes.
Joy Blue (10:01):
to care about, like I truly wanna understand what
you're saying.
And sometimes that mightconflict with who I am and what
I understand, but I'm in it herewith you.
Let's talk.
Leslie Marshall (10:13):
Yes.
I love what you just saidbecause throughout my journey of
life, and I would ask all theseolder couples about, you know,
how long they've been, well,they will share how long they
have been together, and I'm justlike, oh my God.
To me that translates that youare an overcomer.
You've overcome so manyobstacles throughout your
relationship.
That to me, I'm like horray!Bravo.
(10:34):
Because to me, true love is thetough times.
When you can overcome the toughtimes.
When you are willing to stick inthe, you know, you, you hang in
there, and everything you justdescribed because it's easy to
walk.
Joy Blue (10:46):
yeah.
Leslie Marshall (10:46):
and I'm not gonna lie, I've done that
multiple times.
I've walked away because it'slike, you know what?
I can't.
But what I think I, I don't knowif about your past, but in my
past with relationships I havetend to stay there longer than
what I should have because I'mtrying my best to, hold on.
You have to know when the righttime to hold on.
And you have to know when towalk away.
Joy Blue (11:07):
right.
Leslie Marshall (11:08):
And unfortunately I've held on way
too long for too many times inrelationships, not to blame
everything on that person, butwhen it's done, it's done.
When it's over, it's over.
But I think when you know it'ssomething special, some that's
something in you, it's justlike, no, we gotta talk about
this.
We gotta work this out, youknow?
and it feels healthy.
Joy Blue (11:29):
yeah, that also comes back to the principle of
consent.
Are you both consenting to therules of engagement for this
conversation?
Leslie Marshall (11:37):
Yeah.
Joy Blue (11:37):
And when one person does not consent to the rules
anymore, then it becomes unequaland there's a cost
Leslie Marshall (11:44):
Yeah.
Joy Blue (11:44):
for every action, there's a cost.
And so my new line, pulling fromGlennon Doyle is the person I
will no longer disappoint ismyself.
Leslie Marshall (11:53):
I love that.
Joy Blue (11:54):
So when the cost becomes me, the cost is too
much.
Something has to change
Leslie Marshall (12:00):
so good.
That's so good.
Joy Blue (12:02):
and that's a whole new flavor of love.
Leslie Marshall (12:04):
Oh, yes.
it really is.
Self-love is so important.
It's so important.
A lot of us don't do it, andwe're always stretching
ourselves thin for everyoneelse, but not ourselves.
You have to have that self-loveA friend, well, she really
wasn't a friend.
I knew of her.
She gave me a gift one day justout of nowhere, and I was so
shocked.
In the gift, there were multiplelittle things.
(12:25):
One was a little plaque that youput on the wall.
You know those phrases
Joy Blue (12:30):
Yep.
Leslie Marshall (12:30):
said something about like, uh, you are smart,
you are talented, you arestrong.
They said, be kind to yourselfbecause you can do amazing
things.
I had never gotten that.
Be kind to yourself.
I always wondered, what doesthat look like for me?
And um, I went through somethings in life and every day I
(12:52):
would look at that plaque and Iwould read it.
And that it always stood out tome.
Be kind to yourself.
That's that self-love.
I had to be able to learn toback up away from certain
situations, people, whatever,and work on me.
Joy Blue (13:06):
yep.
Leslie Marshall (13:08):
make sure I'm putting inside of myself
positive things and speakingpositive things, and not getting
caught up in all the negativityand allowing phone calls or
people saying things to me tocrush me and bring me down.
It's like be kind to yourself.
Whether whatever that looks likefor each person, if it's going
to the gym, changing your diet,your mindset, whatever, that's
(13:30):
being kind to yourself.
And a lot of us don't do that.
We're so busy needing theattention of others,
Joy Blue (13:36):
right.
Leslie Marshall (13:36):
always on the phone, you know, on social media
looking for attention.
It's just there's nothing wrongwith that, but it's like just
having that quiet time withyourself, learning to love you,
being okay in your own skinwithout your phone jumping off
the hook every second or textingsomebody every second,
Joy Blue (13:53):
yeah.
That's a whole nother concept ofbeing able to actually be
present.
Practicing presence is love.
Leslie Marshall (14:02):
it is.
Joy Blue (14:03):
Something I've learned along the way is being able to
ask someone say, Hey, hold onjust a second.
What I'm hearing is that I thinkyou need something from me.
Can I clarify what you need realquick?
Are you looking just to beheard?
Are you looking for feedback?
Are you looking for me to sayback to you what I think I heard
you say?
What kind of space can I holdfor you?
(14:25):
For me, that helps me get in theright mindset of oh, they
actually don't want my opinion.
My job is to sit here and tolisten.
And there's a phrase that saysbeing listened to is so close to
being loved that most peopledon't know the difference.
Leslie Marshall (14:40):
Oh my gosh.
Wow.
Wow.
Joy Blue (14:44):
what you're saying is practicing the ministry of
presence I am here.
Leslie Marshall (14:49):
yeah.
Joy Blue (14:49):
It's not my job
Leslie Marshall (14:51):
Mm-hmm.
Joy Blue (14:51):
to fix You, to advise you or to rescue you, but it's
my job to hold space with you.
Leslie Marshall (14:57):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Joy Blue (14:58):
That is love.
Leslie Marshall (14:59):
That is so good.
Yes, absolutely.
Joy Blue (15:02):
Look at us.
Touching on so many kinds oflove, okay?
Leslie Marshall (15:07):
I love it.
I love how you put it.
It just makes complete sense andI'm a person that's I'm a clear
communicator, and this is a partof what you've been saying.
I just like to be clear, I wanta clear standing, even like at
work on my team, I feel likeit's very important for everyone
to know what's going on whenthey're a certain, something
happens.
(15:28):
We need to get the word around.
We need to ensure that everybodyunderstands what's happening,
because if somebody is off, itmesses up the whole thing.
We need to be clear.
Same thing in relationships.
I need to be clear how you feel.
Joy Blue (15:40):
Yep.
Leslie Marshall (15:41):
you need to be clear about how I feel.
You know, If there's certainthings I told you in the
beginning.
You need to know my boundaries.
I need to know yours.
You vice versa.
You know, It, it's importantjust in life, period, knowing
people's boundaries, being clearwhat's going on, and
communication is clear.
Like I, I know people who areafraid to really share their
feelings, and I'm just like, Itry to work with them with that,
(16:01):
and I cannot imagine notsharing.
It's just about how you share.
You don't have to shareeverything, and your delivery
doesn't need to be funky, but atleast give a little bit so that
people are clear.
Cause otherwise people sometimeswalk all over you and then
you're carrying this angerinside.
And that's not fair to you.
(16:22):
That's not self self-love.
You gotta give yourself the selflove,
Joy Blue (16:25):
yep.
I just heard on a Glennon Doylepodcast that assumptions are
budding resentments.
But also what I'm hearing yousay is when you interact with
people that don't feel safe toshare, you have the empathy to
be able to slow down and say,oh, this might be something
that's scary to you.
Let me do my best to createspace where hopefully you can
feel safe enough.
(16:45):
You can know I'm gonna hear youand I'm not gonna walk all over
you.
Leslie Marshall (16:49):
Yes,
Joy Blue (16:50):
That's also a gift.
Because you're in tune with theother person.
Leslie Marshall (16:53):
I try to be, because I don't want anybody to
feel like I'm doing that tothem,
Joy Blue (16:59):
Mm-hmm.
Leslie Marshall (16:59):
And I feel like sometimes two people hold back
because they've been hurt before
Joy Blue (17:03):
Right?
Leslie Marshall (17:05):
and I know that I can be very private.
I share a lot of things.
That's a lot of fun stuff.
But when it comes to that reallydeep stuff, sometimes I, I hold
back, you know, with my privatelife, because years ago I shared
with some leaders, and beforeyou knew it, like everybody knew
and it was just like
Joy Blue (17:25):
this is not a safe space.
Leslie Marshall (17:27):
Yeah.
And that crushed me to where Ishut down completely.
But through the years I had tolearn to trust again.
And trusting with it can be avery tough thing.
It just can be a very toughthing when you've been hurt over
and over again.
And then also too, going througha lot of rejection.
Joy Blue (17:45):
Yep.
Leslie Marshall (17:46):
I, it is just been a lot.
And um, I think that's why I'vehad multiple failed
relationships because it justfeels like through life, you're,
You're growing.
You're growing.
I wasn't who I was 15 years
Joy Blue (18:02):
Mm-hmm.
Leslie Marshall (18:04):
So I could apologize to whoever I was with
15 years ago.
I'm sorry.
I was not who I am today.
You know what I mean?
I have a lot more to offer todaybecause I've matured in more
ways than one.
You know, We all are in workingprogress, so
Joy Blue (18:21):
But that's also giving yourself permission to evolve.
That's part of being in a safespace.
Something that my wife and Italked about from the beginning
is I'm excited to see all theiterations of you.
I like your iteration now, andalso, I know you're not gonna
stay as who you are now becauseof what you said.
I go through things every dayand every time that shifts me a
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little bit more.
Or I learn from experience, oh,that doesn't feel good.
I don't wanna do that tosomeone.
So awareness is continuallygrowing.
But another part of love isaccepting the iterations.
Leslie Marshall (18:57):
You know why I think it's great?
Because in this world there's somany people that are hurting.
There are a lot of hurtingpeople and I feel like in my
heart there's just so much loveand joy in there and I just want
to share it with people becausethere's so many hurting people
in this world that you don'tknow.
Like at my work when I met youand I'm meet people, I don't
(19:20):
know if a person just lost aloved one or if they just got
divorce or just lost their jobsor just anything that caused
them pain when they come in thatdoor, I don't try to do
anything.
It just happens naturally.
I'm like, hi, welcome.
And it is just spreading thelove through a smile, through a
hug, through a uh, encouragingword through whatever it is.
(19:43):
People need that.
And I don't know why I have itto give, but I just give it, you
know what I mean?
You just never know how it mayalter someone day.
So
Joy Blue (19:54):
You could be that one bright spot that they needed in
order to get through.
Leslie Marshall (19:58):
Exactly.
Exactly.
Yeah.
Joy Blue (20:01):
That's amazing awareness too, because we're
coming back to all the thingswe've already talked about.
The ability to be present.
When I met you, I walked in withmy dog and you talked to both of
us.
When people wanna talk to my dogand they talk to me, not just
the dog, that's great.
I love that.
And then we started talkingabout dog pajamas and we
started, all of these differentthings and I just wanted to keep
(20:24):
talking to you,
Leslie Marshall (20:26):
Yeah.
Joy Blue (20:26):
which is why I asked you on the podcast so I could
selfishly keep talking to you.
Leslie Marshall (20:29):
I love it.
Joy Blue (20:31):
but I also saw you interact with other people while
I was with you, and yourdemeanor stayed the same.
Your demeanor didn't change whenyou talked to a coworker.
Your demeanor didn't change whenyou talked to another customer.
You showed up as you, and byshowing up as you, you enabled
other people to show up asthemselves.
(20:52):
It's something the recoverycommunity talks about of leaders
go first.
So what I saw in that moment wasyou went first.
You said, you know what?
I'm gonna show up.
I'm gonna see you.
I'm gonna say hi.
I'm gonna make eye contact withyou and smile, which I don't
know, somebody might not havehad any eye contact that day.
Or any friendly faces looking atthem.
(21:12):
And in that moment you said, Isee you, you're important.
Thanks for being here.
Your presence is noted.
Leslie Marshall (21:18):
Yes, it's very important to me to make people
feel loved, welcomed.
Um, like that new person, likewhen I, you know, I think we've
all experienced it in life.
You're the new kid at school.
First sit on a job.
Joy Blue (21:32):
yep.
Leslie Marshall (21:32):
know, You're just, you're always a new person
somewhere.
You're walking in a new storeand you need some assistance.
People don't always feelcomfortable asking for
assistance depending on howthey're treated, so, because
I've experienced, as I saidearlier, rejection and all these
kind of things through my life,even as a kid growing up, I hate
it with the passion.
So I don't want anybody else togo through that.
(21:53):
So I'm just like, I wanna bethat person and make them feel
like family.
So I do that.
I do it.
I just, it's important to methat every person on this earth
feels loved in some way becausewe all need some form of
attention.
We all need some form of love.
And I just, I'm happy to be ableto give it
Joy Blue (22:14):
That's beautiful.
As the the saying goes, usuallyyour biggest wound creates your
biggest strength.
Leslie Marshall (22:22):
Wow.
Oh my gosh.
I've never heard that before.
And that so fits me.
Yeah.
Joy Blue (22:28):
I've heard that over and over again in this
conversation with you.
Leslie Marshall (22:31):
Uhhuh.
Uhhuh.
Joy Blue (22:33):
That's both resiliency and redemption.
That's owning your
Leslie Marshall (22:37):
Its, it really is.
Never looked at it that way.
Joy Blue (22:40):
that's having agency and saying that, yeah, this has
happened to me.
Like we say in the recoverycommunity, what has happened to
me is not my fault, but what Ido with it is my responsibility.
Leslie Marshall (22:50):
Absolutely.
Pass it on to others.
Joy Blue (22:53):
you've done that.
Leslie Marshall (22:54):
Yeah.
Thank you.
I do feel like it's important,like what we go through in life
is not for us, it's for someoneelse.
Because there will be someone tocross your path.
Joy Blue (23:04):
Yep.
Leslie Marshall (23:05):
that is going through what you went through
that you already healed from,that you overcame, and you can
help them through it becausethey're looking at you like,
wow, Joy, you're so successful.
You're this, you're that.
They have no idea about yourhistory and what you've been
through.
You know what I mean?
They see like the victoriouspart of you.
And they never would think thatwe've been through that.
(23:26):
I've been told that so manytimes that people hear a little
piece of my story and what I'vebeen through.
It's like if you only knew
Joy Blue (23:32):
Mm-hmm.
Leslie Marshall (23:33):
But I'm so grateful for where I'm today.
Not that I'm a perfect person,but I know I've come through a
lot and I'm very happy in whereI am today.
I am.
Joy Blue (23:44):
It has been such a gift to share time with you.
Leslie Marshall (23:47):
Oh, thank you.
I appreciate the fact you'vebeen off.
Asked me to come on.
Joy Blue (23:51):
Thank you for your time.
This has been lovely.
Leslie Marshall (23:54):
Thank you so much and have a good one.
Joy Blue (23:57):
So here we are! My time with Leslie went by so
fast.
She truly embodies the love thatwe talked about in this episode.
I'm reminded today of the simplepower of a warm smile and a
genuine hello.
We're back to talking aboutwelcoming, about creating spaces
for all to be seen and loved.
(24:18):
Leslie, I am so grateful for howyou showed me love when I met
you, during this interview, andI'm so excited to see how life
develops for you moving forward.
If you've got a flavor of nerdthat you want me to celebrate, I
would love to hear all about it.
So go ahead and email me atherewearethepodcast@gmail.com,
and tell me everything.
(24:39):
I love taking time to sit andmake space for nerd to be
celebrated.
If you really like this podcast,I wanna financially support what
I'm doing, head on over topatreon.com, search for Here We
Are, the podcast, and sign upfor one of the many beautifully
written support tiers that I'mvery proud of.
So until next time, don't forgetthat curiosity wins and the
(25:00):
world needs more nerds.
Bye.
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