Dr. Maria Michael: Sacred Beings, Sacred Spaces

E454 Dr. Maria Michael is a Lakota/Diné traditional elder and healer. For over 40 years, she has been respected as a medical intuitive, channel, empath, healer, psychic and teacher and has  earned five advanced degrees. She has worked alongside, and for, many spiritual leaders in many traditions.  She is especially respected for her ability to […]

Episode Transcript

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Hey, humans. How's it going? Susan Ruth here.
Thanks for listening to another episode of Hey,
Human podcast.
This is episode 454,
and my guest is doctor Maria Michael.
She's a Lakota Dene traditional elder and healer.
For over forty years, doctor Michael has been
respected as a medical intuitive channel, empath, healer,

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psychic, and teacher,
and has earned five advanced degrees.
She has worked alongside
and for many spiritual leaders in many traditions.
She's
especially respected for her ability to create sacred
spaces for people of all races, cultures,
gender, and religious beliefs.
I met her through my friends, Marybeth and

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Philip, and I adore them. And I
knew that I would adore doctor Michael. She's
been very helpful
with me in keeping me calm before a
particular surgical procedure I had to
do earlier in the year. And
so that was really lovely of her having
not ever even met me. We had a

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Zoom
and got to know each other a little
bit, and
she's just she's a very calming,
exciting
presence. I know that seems like an opposite
thing,
but you'll understand when you hear her speaking.
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Doctor Maria Michael, welcome to Hey Human.
Hi. Nice to see you again.
Great to see you as well. I know
that others can't see you, but you look
incredibly beautiful. You're wearing a prayer shawl, and
you've got these gorgeous
beads, turquoise, and I can't tell what's going.
And I'm wearing a Dene scarf.

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This is the same scarf that brought in
World War two
Ukrainians
and the Dene people together
in the trenches, and so we wear this
in their honor.
There's been a
whole cross referencing between that side of the
world and our world,
between the code talkers and the
and the Dene fighters

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in World War two. And so we consider
them our relatives. We've been supporting them through
this fight. The Dene and the Ukrainians came
together to help fight in World War two.
Mhmm. Well, they met in the trenches, and
I actually have a story in our own
family.
On one side of the family,
there was a Polish man
and

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a Dine man, and they fought together there.
And they made each other a promise that
if
they both made it out, they would name
their firstborn
a name from the other traditions. So there's
a Polish man out there with
a Dene name, and there's a Dene man
in our family that has a Polish name.
So it's it became that much of a

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because for Dene, it's all about
the circle of life.
Right? It's all about not only for Dine
and Lakota, but in the in the reservation
and indigenous world,
it's that we're all connected. We're all related.
And so they kept practicing that through the
war.
And so there's a real crossing.
And so we honor them. And, in fact,

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we did a prayer when the Ukrainian war
broke out at a Ukrainian church.
We went to the Ukrainian liturgy and in
English, an
in Ukrainian, and we brought these scars from
the reservation, and we honored two of the
grandmas
love it. And took them in.
Would you be considered grandmother?

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Yes. According
according to my license, it says yes.
But, yes, we're considered a grandma at Standing
Rock. They used to call us grandma
Yeah. When we were
doing the activist work at Standing Rock. So,
yeah, we're considered a grandma.
You have several degrees.
Five?
Five degrees and half of a second PhD.

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We have a first PhD and then half
of a second.
The spirits rudely interrupted and stopped us.
I want to say before we continue on
too far that it might throw people a
little bit. You refer
to yourself in the we and us. Can
you explain that a little bit before we
continue?
Sure. That's really a great catch because we

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forget that we do that because it's so
automatic.
So in our tradition,
we believe that we are related
to every living thing and every living being.
And so this problem with the I
and the ego
separates us
from not only our own helpers

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and not only our own
relatives,
the living beings, the standstill nation, you call
them the trees,
from grandmother Earth, from sacred
the water of life.
And so in that way, when we say
we,
us, and all,
it encompasses
all that exists galactically,

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cosmologically,
and all the four leggeds and the two
leggeds, all the creepy crawlers with and without
legs, all the ones that swim in the
water, all the winged ones,
all the four leggeds, all the elements of
air and light. It helps us to remember
creation and that we are part of that
circle of life.

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So thank you for
asking us to explain that because
it's so automatic to us, and people wonder
how many of us are coming when it's
only just
one little grandma. But
I love
trees being the standstill nation. I've
grew up with a deep adoration of trees

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and admiration.
Still have it to this day. I talk
to trees. I hug trees. I love trees.
Us too. That is
absolutely perfect because they feel like people to
me.
Well and we are fashioned after them. If
you think about it, we take nourishment from
the earth. They take nourishment from the earth,
and then they

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use their
their gifts to change that
feeding from the earth into an elixir in
their bodies.
Some of them create sap. Some of them
create maple.
Depending on each tree is different. Right? And
so in that way, they take that
that nurturance and that that blessing from grandmother

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Earth, and then they put it out through
their limbs
to the world
to help create the oxygen to feed us.
Like
them, hopefully, we are using our our hands,
our right hand to
to give out and our left hand to
receive.
I thought maybe it might be helpful to
start with a prayer. They just the spirits
just said that that would be

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something that might be helpful. Is that something
you would like? I'd love that. Grandfathers,
grandmothers,
grandmother earth,
sacred sacred
water of life.
We ask all those that swim in the
water.
We ask all the creepy crawlers with and
without legs to join us. We ask all

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the winged ones to join us, all the
standstill nation,
all the Tonka'ayate,
the stone nation, or the Petawaka,
the sacred fire that burns within each of
us and on all the altars around the
globe.
We ask all the four leggeds and the
two leggeds to come together in peace so
that
you may guide us and help us to

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find a way
in this world
to live without war
so that we,
as two leggeds who have been slow learners,
because we've not learned how to evolve without
it.
Help us to change this paradigm from one
of prayer and greed
to one of peace and prayer and love.

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It is through that place
that we have the chance to really recreate
the way grandmother Earth is treated,
the way we treat each other,
and the way we begin to understand that
we're one sacred family of all living beings.
Help us to learn to extend our right

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hand to give to those who are less
fortunate.
Help us to learn,
stand on our left, Creator,
and help us learn to receive
so that we can walk in balance.
And on the days where we are clear
in our path
and we know the path that we need
to walk, we ask that you stand behind

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us
and give us the strength to take that
path because it's not always an easy path.
And as you see the dreams that we
hope and pray for, we ask that you
be the wind beneath our wings so that
our dreams can take flight.
And on the days
when we are tired and we are lost

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and we are confused and we seem disconnected
from creation, whether it be by technology, whether
it be by whatever is distracting us, by
whatever is happening in the world, we ask
that you stand before us
and help us
follow you
for as long as is needed
until we have clarity of vision,

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clarity in our hearts
so that we can find a path and
take the right path,
the one that is in right relationship to
all living beings,
and walk that
without you. And on the days when we
are so weak and so
worn out,

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We ask that you lift us up and
carry us for as long as is needed,
and we ask that you fill our fountain
up with the sacred Minni Wiconi, that sacred
water of life,
until we are completely full.
And when we can completely rest in your
arms, creation Wakatanka,
great mystery,

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when we are full
and you feel we are ready
to get back
to the earth,
We ask you to gently place our feet
on the back of grandmother Earth and let
the people come to drink
that sacred
so that they can have the strength and
the love

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that you want for them
and that you can use us in that
way, each and every one of us. And
let us also remember to hold back some
sacred for
ourselves
because many of us are very good at
giving, but we forget to take care of
ourselves. And without doing that, we cannot keep
helping.
So we thank you, Tonka Shela Unxi,

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for asking us to do this prayer
because we had invoked already speaking about the
standstill nation and all these living beings,
and they wanted they wanted to be included
so that they could help us,
help all of us two leggeds, help everyone,
help every living being so we can become
one sacred family.

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We are all related.
Uh-huh.
Beautiful. Thank you.
You're welcome.
Let let's go back
to the beginning of
whatever you stories you wanna tell, I'm curious
about what life was like growing up for
you,

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with your gifts
and
your connection to your people and the to
the world at large.
The gifts came to us very early. We
had a lot of visions
of us
with a knife in our mouth and
being underwater and watching
watching our relatives being killed. So we had

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a lot of memories of our previous lifetimes.
But the gifts came, and they actually terrified
us because we would see things
in people, and then they would get sick.
Or we would know things were gonna happen
in the world, and then they would happen.
And we,
with our lack of knowledge and lack of
understanding, we were not grown,

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raised by people in the indigenous way and
world.
So it was frightening because we actually thought
we were creating these things. And it took
us a long time
to begin to understand that we were being
communicated with. We knew it. We could hear
things. We heard beings say things. We saw
things. We had visions.

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But
being raised by people who are non indigenous
was confusing
because we didn't really have people to speak
to about that.
We had one grandmother
who was not of this tradition, but she
had the gifts of prophecy and would dream

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about things that would happen. And so that
gave us a small opening to begin to
talk about those things.
But, as she said, we needed to keep
those things quiet.
And so it wasn't
that easy. And for a long time, we
ran from the gifts because
they were so powerful, and it was so

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strong. And we felt
what we were being asked on some level
to do
was too much responsibility.
So
we started off
trying to help people doing things like
just helping people on the side. We we
were draft counselor during the Vietnam War,

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and that's when we,
cut out of school,
out of high school, and we're busy
going to different places in cars with people
we didn't know and trying to help that
way
to stop people from
being drafted. And
it's also where we learned a lot about
money and this country and

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who got to go to the war and
who didn't. So the people who could pay
for four Fs or have their papers
disappeared or
psychiatrists write letters and had the money to
do that,
they got out, and we got our math
teacher out, actually, as well.
We realized that a lot of the brown
and black people
were the people that were going out to

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the wars,
and it gave us a real understanding about
the government and the paradigm of power and
greed from a very young age.
But it also showed us something
that we also thought in many ways was
a blessing because for us to see that
at such a young age, to see that

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disparagement and the caste system that was built
into this
this Western world.
And we got to see women, and we
we approached them actually and asked them what
places they came from for draft counseling.
And they looked at us as if we
were
insane.
And they said, no. We're not here for
draft counseling. We're here to go to college.

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And the way we were raised, girls didn't
go to college. That was not a place
for a a girl. Education was not
and so we decided,
ah,
that's something that we wanna do. We are
capable of that.
When we were young, we were told
to be quiet and be barefoot and pregnant.

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That was
that was our purpose.
So we're dating going all the way back.
We're a pretty old grandma. Those things were
said back then, but,
not said anymore. And and the spirits tried
to redirect us several times
as we went through school
and we'd have accidents and

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we became a hemiplegic.
We've had a lot of series
of unbelievable accidents in cars,
all none caused by us, but
nonetheless our body absorbed the accident, and it's
not an accident which part of your body
absorbs the accident.
Everything is
predisposed in the body based on traumas and

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different things that you've experienced
as a child.
And the spirits would
say, work with
us, and we'll help you walk. But we
were pretty stubborn. We said, no, we can
walk on our own.
We'll learn how to walk again by ourselves.
Because we felt that at that time,
when we were in our early twenties,

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that we weren't ready for the responsibility
of walking this way.
We felt it was too big.
It was too frightening
to have someone's life in your hands, and
what if you weren't empty enough and you
made a mistake?
And so we chose to keep going to
school.
We loved it. We worked with special needs

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children,
and we've worked in prisons. We've worked with
cocaine and heroin addicts. We
we like to work with
people who,
I guess, in many ways in this society,
were people that
were thrown away by the systems.
Were you did you go after so many

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different degrees as a way to keep yourself
busy from eventually
heeding the call that was being called to
you?
Well, we also loved learning.
I mean, we when we were young and
wanted to work with special needs people, we
began to realize that
unless you could get people to trust you,

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especially
people who were different,
you would never get them to learn anything.
And so
it just began opening up degrees in
not only special needs. We had a triple
masters, then we had a master's in psychology,
then we had a PD in psychology, then
we had a PhD in psychology. We began

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to realize that
helping
understand where people were coming from
and and working in the trenches with people
who'd been
in our society thrown away. Like,
we worked with young people under the age
of 21 who had gone through Rikers and
Spofford and had at least five felonies.

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And we were very blessed in that we
worked with another psychologist who recruited us. We
were the only woman in the entire prison.
And we came up with this great idea
that we wanted to stop this circle of
recidivism.
And because we had the training we had,
we did all the testing. We didn't know

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why they were in there, and we said,
we'll tell you why they're in here.
And we actually created a school.
Half of them were dyslexic. Half of them
had learning problems.
Half of them had major traumas in their
lives because they had no mentorship.
And in that process,
they got to turn their lives around because
they began to feel like someone cared about

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them. They were not just numbers. They were
just not statistics.
So for us,
all that schooling helped us get other
skills
that would be greatly needed in the work
that we were meant to do in this
lifetime
because we put ourselves in psychiatric hospitals
where people were just put away. We were

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we worked in a hospital where
young women who were promiscuous were sent up
the river in New York up to Wasaic
Developmental,
and they were put in with nonverbal people
with IQs below 30.
But after you live with them for thirty,
forty years, you're like them.
And so we helped deinstitutionalize
them and help create halfway houses and

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teach them skills so they could be in
the community and slowly begin to not have
to be
housed in those kinds of situations.
So
we think
spirit worked with us in terms
of where and how we got educated and
how that would help us
in terms of helping people on the reservation

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because the people on the reservation are also
the forgotten people.
And so we started working with the forgotten
people through Western world
and then used all that knowledge to then
help the forgotten people on the reservations
in different ways. I think a lot of
people
in their they don't really consider

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people on the reservations. They know of it
this thing that exists,
but they don't go any further than that.
Can you speak
to what life on the reservation is like
and what some of your work has been
with,
particular reservations that you've worked with? Sure.
We've lived on the
Oglala Territory,

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Pine Ridge.
We've lived in Lakota Territory
couple of times,
and it's a really hard life.
30 to 40, sometimes 50% of the people
don't have
infrastructure for housing,
for electricity, for heat, for running water.
Right now, this during our most recent work

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on the reservations, we are also a spiritual
leader.
We're a Sundancer for the last thirty four
years and leading Sundances, and that's our high
holy ceremonies and sweat lodges and,
you know, where people need help. We do
doctoring at the Tree of Life
to help people deal with whatever pains they
have.
But our work most recently started during the

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pandemic
because
the US government did not give the reservations
any PPE.
So the doctors and the nurses and the
EMTs were dying
quickly.
And,
actually,
I mean, there's some pretty horrible stories. I
mean, I I

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but
the important thing was,
how do we raise money to help them?
If they don't have water to wash their
hands, how can they stay clean?
So we began we were actually
walking up a hill.
When we do prayer ceremonies, and on the
fourth day of someone's passing, we put tobacco
in running water.
And it's not tobacco like we think of

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cigarette tobacco. It's tobacco with herbs and other
kinds of things with our sacred pipe. And
we happen to be going up for one
particular holy person's
wife who had passed. I want to say
something.
A lot of people use the word shaman,
and shama
means holy person in Mongolia.

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And so we don't use that word.
That's, that's a Western white word that's used
that everybody and his brother and sister become
shamans when they go to weekend workshops.
It's really a misappropriation
of the language,
and the holy people
in many of the indigenous languages, there's no

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word for them because everybody just knows who
they are. They know who to go for
help for. It's not like it's a
a title, I guess, is the the best
way to say it. It's it's it's considered
one part of the spoke of the circle
of life and the wheel of life. That's
one role. The fire keeper is just as
important in the ceremonies.

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And so
when we were going up the hill to
to place that tobacco and then got three
other calls of three other people who had
passed,
when we were up at the top at
the waterfall, the spirits
told us that
we had four days
to get ready to start a GoFundMe because
the Dene people would be hit the worst.

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And then we started the GoFundMe for the
Dene people, and we worked the entire pandemic,
going back and forth,
bringing supplies.
We had two brothers who also worked, and
we would arrange
you weren't no one was allowed on the
reservation
at the time, but we would sneak in
with different license plates, and we knew where

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to drive. And we would bring
We called doctors and begged for booties and
begged for,
you know,
the the gowns and begged for masks, and
we had a lot of people.
We just put out the word, and Boulder
Mask Makers helped us as well as New
York City Mask Makers heard about

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us,
and they started sending masks.
And then people started donating
sewing machines
and cloth from quilting companies, you know, quilting
companies, organizations. We just
and we didn't know anybody in Colorado at
the time, but we just started putting things
out there and
it just

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took hold.
And so we spent the next four years,
you know, we put water tanks, 275
gallon water tanks around the reservation.
We raised money to buy trailers for our
brothers.
And then our brothers, on top of
working and helping everyone,
they would go and deliver water every day

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to all these people so they could wash
and keep their hands clean
and try to fight, you know, the illness
and the disease because they had no protection.
Even though they were used as a part
of the experiment from Johns Hopkins
before the vaccines came out, they were asked
to be volunteers,

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but they were also told if they didn't
volunteer, they could lose their government jobs. So
that doesn't sound like a volunteer job to
me,
but these are all stories that don't get
told outside the reservation.
And so
we then started helping after every sundance. We
would come home and use our driveway to,

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collect blankets and jackets and boots and books
and
anything that was needed for women, children, elders,
veterans, disabled,
crutches,
anything that anybody had.
And
we would rent fifteen, twenty foot trucks, and
we had other people drive them out there.
We followed them, and that continued for four

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years while we were living in Colorado.
Indigenous
Americans
are a huge
proportion
of veterans.
Yes. It's a big honor. And
there's there are three code there are two
code talkers only left.
The third code talker who we got to
meet because of our brother Earl,

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we actually had fallen down a flight of
stairs with a suitcase
and Wanda
cracking something.
And we still went out because we had
his down jacket,
down clothes, two pairs of long johns,
a
wool beanie.
His name we can't repeat his name because
in our tradition, we don't use their name

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after they've passed because we don't wanna bring
them back. We want them to continue on
in their way.
But he lived in a shack,
a real shack,
not something
that he deserved to live in for someone
who helped save. He was one of the
code talkers. He helped save the war. So
nobody deserves to live in a shack.

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Correct.
And no one deserves to live with no
heat, and no one deserves to live with
no electricity and no running water. But it
was wonderful to meet him, and we wound
up giving him his gifts. And he told
us stories, and he would speak in
Dine and then other languages he picked up
while he was in the war.
But he was a hundred and two when

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we met him.
He died at a hundred and four.
And there are still two two code talkers
left, and we're glad that
not all their faces are back up because
the current regime has taken them off,
but they're still not on the military side.
So
as part of

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this country's need to erase
people of color,
they're
completely not back being visible.
Yeah. That's, to me, bonkers that they've literally
gone through and erased
the names of people and
airplanes
because the word gay, Enola Gay, it's an

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airplane.
They took that down. Yeah. Jackie Robinson. It's
an important airplane because it's the airplane that
dropped the h bomb. Of course, it's important,
but it's got the word gay in its
title. It's so ridiculous.
It's very upside down. This teacher came. This
regime came because a lot of people in
this country did not appreciate the freedom that
they had.

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And so now they have to lose their
freedom
to understand
to understand
what freedom really means. People took it for
granted. A lot of people in this country
are people of privilege.
The forgotten people, as we're called by our
own people,
because even during the president elections,
we were never mentioned.

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They mentioned the black people all the time,
but they never mentioned the indigenous. It's like
we don't exist.
And we're in many urban centers, many, many
urban centers,
and on the reservations.
And a lot of the children leave the
reservations because it's not a lot of work.
And
so

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part of why we
when we say we're doctor Michael to people,
it's to help people understand that indigenous people
are smart
if given the opportunities.
There are two nieces,
are hydrologists
who have been working with NASA. One's with
NASA, and one has been working with Deb
Hallen when she was in the Department of

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Interior
helping to find water for the reservation because
our water was cut off by a dam
on the Dene Reservation.
So they've gotten their PhDs from UVM,
but
they also had a father who made sure
that they had the opportunities.
A lot of native people
on the reservations

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are still traumatized from all the boarding schools.
You know? And so there's a lot of
mistrust
of the white nation.
But Krazy Pars spoke about all of us
coming together
at this time, and so
it's about keeping that
belief
alive that we're all related,

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and we're here for a reason to help
each other.
You're keeping really busy. You're putting, as they
say, your money where your mouth is.
Talk about some of the different things you've
been doing lately.
We've been given permission to use our gifts
to help people in general.
So we have worked
we do an intuitive ceremony,

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which we charge for because tobacco cannot fill
the gas tank, and tobacco cannot
help pay PG and E. But most of
our work is for free because all our
you know, we did all the climate change
work in Denver, in Colorado, and we helped
doctor Greta Thunberg at the time when she
came in sick.
So

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all that work is free. All our protest
work is free. But it's important work
because from Young, we were chosen as a
keeper of the Earth.
So we are
bound to her forever,
and we are most grateful for that because
she brings us
so many awesome gifts
and awesome

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visions and awesome
experiences.
It's it's it's
we need to keep remembering as people that
there are miracles happening every day, and those
don't get on television.
They only
put on television
sensational news,

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and there are wonderful things happening. There are
people who are doing incredible things, but the
the
part of our work is working individually with
people and or in groups. We used to
work a lot in groups, but because of
the virus, we stopped doing that
because it was too close and it was
too dangerous.
But the work that we do is we
can go into trance,

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and we use our gift of sight to
travel through the body. The body's an electrical
unit,
and each cell is like a computer chip.
And it has information
about why we're not healing or what we're
predisposed to, what diseases.
And we work a lot with cancer patients.
We've worked with people who've had transplants.

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We've worked with people
who have lupus. We have worked with people
who have
ALS. We've worked with people who have
a lot of the people we see are
people that Western medicine
says you're done.
And then
they come to us or find out about
us either through the Internet,

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through
wwdoctormariamichael.com,
and they read about us. And
we've worked in people as far as Dubai,
and Australia, and Africa. It doesn't matter. The
spirits spirits don't have to use a plane.
They can travel very easily and go anywhere
that they want. It's really quite remarkable.
But

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we get to outline and give people a
blueprint of what's going on in their body
and where they're stuck and what people they
have swallowed and what things
and what traumas are still impacting them that
cause disease in the body.
And then they at least have an idea
of where to start to do the deeper
work. Some of the people choose to do

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the deeper work with us. Sometimes it's not
appropriate. Sometimes we're recommending doctors.
In fact, we're gonna be meeting a doctor
on Sunday who's happened to fly into California,
who
we worked very extensively for four years
four days.
She was a graduate of Columbia Presbyterian and
Yale, and we helped create,

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a protocol for pre and post vaccine so
people would not become
long haulers with the spirits. And she was
very open to working with them aloud. And
before the vaccine,
the spirit gave us a whole list of
herbs to take so that people could stay
safe.
So we work in a variety of different
ways.

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We we love working individually.
It really
it's like watching a flower blossom one petal
at a time as people heal.
It's
it's such a gift
to be a part of that.
I can think of one person
that it would be an interesting story to
hear. She had COPD. She had emphysema.

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She had
fibromyalgia,
chronic fatigue. Her hands were bent. Her toes
were bent.
She went to work like that every day
in pain.
She was on 14 or 15 medications. She
had an inhaler that she used
several times a day, and that was the
only way she could exist.
And her sister actually sent her to us,

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but for four year
for four months, she was afraid to call
us because she was afraid she was dying
and
didn't wanna hear the truth didn't wanna hear
that and knew we would speak the truth.
And, eventually, she had the courage to call
us, and we worked together for two years.
And we wound up talking to her pulmonologist
because he wanted to know where her COPD
went
and where her emphysema went. It was completely

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cured,
and she had no more fibromyalgia,
had no more chronic fatigue.
She walks four miles a day to this
day,
and she's completely healed and has uses no
medication.
The body knows how to heal,
but you have to give it the right
information.
And if there's trauma
in the body and in the cells like

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chips, it holds
that information so tight
because
people become split apart. They're sensitive,
and
a part of the emotional part of their
bodies get
separated
from the physical body so they can just
continue to keep
functioning.
And they function, but only half of them.

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And when you're able to integrate both sides,
whatever their children's dysfunction is from little, from
their twenties or their thirties or their forties,
we started working with her in her fifties.
So she'd been sick a long time,
and she healed herself.
And it's really possible
to do that.
We have healed ourselves of

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brain tumors, all kinds of things. We used
to have doctors say, can you just go
to medical school? Why do the spirits keep
giving you all the incurable things?
And we kept saying, because that's how we're
learning to do it.
And they were like, yeah, but you're giving
us all PTSD. And I was like, but
that's how it is.
You said something a minute ago that really
struck me. You said the people we swallow.

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What
a what a perfect way to say that.
Can you talk about that a little bit
and how that it's in the body?
Life is busy and distracting.
And when we're in pain,
distraction is a gift.
We
think. But it's not really a gift because
what it does is it puts away our

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emotions
and separates us from feeling the depth and
the overwhelm of the emotion because maybe at
that time, we don't have the luxury to
feel it. We don't have the environment where
it's safe enough to feel it,
and we need to keep functional
because in this society, that's what's important, staying
functional, to keep working, to keep doing.

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And so what happens is we split apart,
and the emotional parts of our body
go underneath imagine a big boardroom table there's
different ages at different places and what happens
is
we swallow the people and the pain
associated with those people, and they go into
different organs in different places for different reasons.

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And
it's those things that if an organ has
a % energy
and 40 or 50% of it is being
used to hold on to emotions
that can't be dealt with
or won't be dealt with, then the organ
can only function
on a forty, fifty, or 60% plane, which
mean it's not functioning optimally.

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And, eventually, it catches up with us and
wakes us up as a disease like cancer
or AIDS
or
dialysis
or transplants
or
heart surgery,
whatever the illness might be.
And so there's ways that we can prevent
these things. I mean, there are things that

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we inherit genetically,
all of us,
through our family lineages.
But there's a difference between genetics and epigenetics.
We can have epigenetics, and we can actually
change things from materializing.
For example,
in our family,
there was a history of gallbladders, and everyone

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had their gallbladders out on on the maternal
side from what we were told.
And when we had appendicitis,
they wanted to take our appendix out, and
we said, no.
We need it. God gave it to us.
You can't take it out.
But
they prevailed
because it was ready to burst, so we

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said, okay.
We'll let you have it, but we didn't
sign any other papers. And when we came
out of surgery, they said, we should have
taken your gallbladder.
And we said, why? They said, well, it's
diseased. It needs to come out. And I'm
like, oh, no. No. No. No.
We're stopping this
genetic

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transmission
right now. We're We're gonna
start working on this gallbladder because we don't
wanna pass on bad gallbladders for the next
generations.
So we can change things epigenetically. Things don't
have to manifest.
And we're quite old,
and we still have our gallbladder.
Do you have children?
Yes. We have two. We have twins. We

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were very blessed. They're
we have a son and a daughter. They
had a hard time coming in. They were
born at two pounds and came in three
months early uncooked.
Not sure why they wanted to come in
that way.
But our grandma and the rez went to
the tree of life and prayed for them
in the December
and felt the tree raise
and said, don't worry. They're gonna be okay.

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But they had a very hard couple of
years being on heart and lung machines and
having RNs live with us around the clock,
but they're great people.
They're just great people.
We're very blessed.
I understand
the path of souls that
that, is walked upon
after you die, after you shake off the

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mortal coil. Is there a belief system that
incorporates reincarnation at all, or is that not
part of the system?
Absolutely. We come from stardust,
and we go back to the star nation
people. So we're doing
constantly getting calls about people who are dying
and
helping them through hospice or helping them

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pray for them doing a four day ceremony
and helping them go to the Star Nation
people. There is absolutely a belief
that we come back. And, you know, living
on the reservation,
it's very hard. People freeze to death every
winter.
It's
you know, where our dream is to build
a library on the Dene Reservation. We have

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4,500 books, but it's not enough, and it's
28,000
miles wide.
And we know that the current regime is
going to try to break the treaties because
they want the resources.
Already caught them
trying to dump lithium waste on the Dene
Reservation
in a far corner where nobody was.
And so we had a dream about it,

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and we talked about it with our brothers.
And now there's a law that no trucks
can go through the reservation because they wanna
keep dumping.
That's why we keep talking about being the
forgotten people because they wouldn't think of dumping
it in Washington, DC near near the White
House or near rich people's homes.
They think about dumping it where

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it perhaps won't be seen just like
the original pipeline
for Standing Rock.
DAPL was originally supposed to go through Bismarck,
the capital of North Dakota. And then all
of a sudden,
it miraculously
got changed to go through the water on
the reservation,
which would also impact 2,000,000 people further on

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down the Road.
But as long as it wasn't through Bismarck,
it was
okay.
So it's
it's happening a lot to the reservations all
around.
Logging and ever being paid for the the
the land that's been taken
for logging,
and they never see the money. The government
has been corrupt for a long time with

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the people. It's just gonna get more corrupt.
But we need to go through this.
We need to go through this to wake
up.
Some of us don't need to be wake
woken up. Some of us are more awake,
but there are many, many more that are
not awake.
And what's really exciting is watching all these
red states,
people going to town halls and there are

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people being afraid to show up
and other people going and they're screaming
and they're angry
because they're gonna have their rights taken away.
They're gonna lose Medicaid. They're gonna lose Social
Security. They're gonna lose things that they took
for granted.
Right. Anyone now can be taken off the
street. Anyone.
You don't have to be a gang member.

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It's happening. We've had 20 people from the
Dene Reservation
who were picked up and out in, New
Mexico and
Arizona who were we don't know where they
are.
This happened months and months and months ago
when they were round when ICE was rounding
up people.
We know two people who have
one of the highest clearances you can have

(44:44):
in the government.
It's a couple. It's a a friend's
daughter and son, son-in-law.
And when they have an Alexa,
you know, that Alexa thing, we don't we
don't have one. They have one because they
like it for music,
but if they wanna talk, they leave their
house to talk. They know how dangerous it
is. Just like the smart TVs, just like

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our computers,
everything is two way.
It's very 1984.
Yes. George Orwell was way before his time.
All the sci fi writers knew it saw
something. They all had their little time machines.
That was the first
first book we taught. We were given a
class to teach English of JD children, kids

(45:25):
who were juvenile delinquents and were
and we were told what's the curriculum.
We're just bringing it up because it's a
funny story. And they said there is no
curriculum. Just keep them in the room. I
said, what?
That doesn't make any sense. So we got
friendly with another English teacher, and we taught
George Orwell.
And we actually had our students

(45:48):
attacked
using George Orwell techniques the other class, and
we had a whole revolt going and taught
about revolution. It was really wonderful.
And then they we had sometimes,
we had police officers come into our
our room
to collect children.
And we stood at that door and said,
you are not allowed in my class. You're

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not on my roster,
and you're not collecting anyone. If you wanna
talk to them, you have to talk to
them after class,
and you have to go to the main
office. You cannot just pick people up in
our room. So
we're very used to
standing up The power.
From young.
But George Orwell, when we taught ninth grade
English to those kids,

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George Orwell was the first book we we
chose to teach.
What are you working toward,
in the coming months? What is on your
agenda?
We're doing a lot of activism
as much as we can.
We helped run the women's march in San
Francisco.
We were at Tesla
last weekend for veterans

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because for us, veterans are very, very
important warriors. It's,
it's really actually criminal in the Western world.
In an indigenous world, when a warrior comes
back, there are special ceremonies that are done
for them to help them release after killing
so many people to release the trauma of
all of that. And they work with them

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for a long time. That's just not one
ceremony.
But in the Western world,
we go and teach them to be killers,
and then they we expect them to come
back and be normal and just go about
life as if nothing has happened. And they're
so traumatized.
And so many of the veterans are homeless.
So many veterans are
have killed themselves. Right? So many veterans are

(47:33):
Addiction. Right. Addiction. And now
even being kicked out of the VA because
they're closing up the VA
with the current Afrikaner whose name does not
deserve to be spoken either. It's all gonna
fall back on them. Just it's all gonna
fall apart,
but we have to have patience, and we
have to keep fighting.
It's really important. The protests are really important

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for all of you who are out there.
Not everybody's a protester, and that's okay. There's
lots of ways to help. There's lots of
ways to pray. There's lots of ways to
fight
the regime.
But protests
and being on the streets
is really important,
not only for the Republicans, but also for
the Democrats.
We would like to tell people about

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the five calls that are it's an app
you can get on your phone
where they give you the name, you put
in your,
ZIP code,
and
all the people who are your senators and
congressmen come up with their phone numbers. And
you call them every day and flood their
office,
screaming at them because they're not showing up
either.
The Democrat not showing up. So

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let them all be flooded. Let them all
wake up.
They are supposed to be there to represent
us,
and they should all be calling Maxine Waters
is out a lot. Jasmine Crockett's out, and
the two Connecticut,
people are out. But a lot of the
other people are not out,
and they're not fighting vocally. And it's important

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that people see that that's happening. So I
think it's important to pray.
We don't realize how much, how many galactic
beings are here trying to help.
There really
are that level of help
coming from all over the planet,
and grandmother Earth, there will be a lot
of disasters that are coming.

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So people need to be prepared because she
needs to clean herself,
and she needs to take care of herself.
And there's a lot of prophecies around all
of those, but I think, you know, we
may not wanna There's a Hopi prophecy I've
heard of
that augers some pretty
scary
things? Well, there's a lot of prophecies that

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that has very scary things. It's not an
accident that we're in California at this time.
Let's just say
creator puts people
certain places for certain reasons.
It's important to understand
that a lot of people in California have
built homes where home should never have been
built.
But it has a a lot to do

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with power and money
and prestige,
and we're going to be brought to our
knees in many cases where there's gonna be
volcanoes
erupting. There'll be a lot more tornadoes. There'll
be earthquakes. There'll be a lot of things
that are coming,
but we'll all be okay.
Grandma needs to take care of herself
because we're also abusing her on a regular

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basis.
Yes. You know, I wanna talk about one
story that I think would be very uplifting
so that people can understand how the spirit
world works with
the human world.
We were asked to go to 09:11 to
the pit
to pray.
We had done four days of walking with

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the dead with several other spiritual leaders at
our house after 09:11
to help
walk with the people who were
leaving in shock after nineeleven, who were stuck
in the in between.
And when the spirits asked us to go
to nineeleven to work in the pit, everyone
thought
we were kind of crazy, but that happens

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to us a lot.
And they said, how are you gonna get
in? It's a crime scene.
And I said, I don't know. We don't
know.
Spirit's gonna figure it out.
We just have to decide. We've learned, and
we're old enough that we've learned that when
spirit says jump, you just ask how high.
You don't ask why. You just do it.

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So
we flew from Colorado
to New York
to go to nine eleven.
What we didn't know is that
they were selling tickets.
You know?
At a certain point, they had started selling
tickets.
It was really kind of very bizarre,

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to see,
but they were still cleaning up.
And so
we didn't have a ticket. So we went
to the police officer who was there collecting
tickets, and he said, do you have a
ticket? I said, no. We're here to pray.
We're here to do something.
And we asked him to just look in
our eyes, and we stared at we stared
at each other and looked very deeply for

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a long time, and he said, okay.
He said, go through.
He said, you're here to do big work.
And we went with a friend
because she couldn't believe we were gonna do
what we were gonna do. And so we
went to the head of the National Guard,
and we said, we need to speak to
the head of the National Guard. And they
said, why? I said, because we need to
go into the pit to help some people.

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And they were like, Nobody goes into the
pit. They're cleaning. There's a lot going on.
And I said, Well,
then we'll sit here and wait.
So
we sat there, and we were dressed in
full regalia.
And there was a man, actually, was a
fire person who came the first time,
and he said, you've been here a lot

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of hours. What are you doing,
and why are you standing here?
And so we said, Because we're going to
pray.
We're here to pray, and we're here to
help people who are stuck,
and
we're going to pray for as long as
we need to because someone's going to take
us into the pit at nineeleven.
And he started laughing, and he said,
whoever tries to take you into the pit

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will lose their job. You can't go there.
It's against the law. I said, it's okay.
We're just gonna wait. He said, you could
be here for a lot of days. I
said, that's okay. We have fasted for eight
days a night without food and water.
We can stand here for a long time.
We're not afraid.
So he left. He came back several hours
later

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and said, You're still here. And we said,
Yeah. We're here
we were sent here
by the spirits, so we're gonna wait until
the right person comes to take us
to where we need to go.
Couple of hours later,
the same fire person came back to see
if we were still there.

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And
he said, what are you still doing here?
I said, well, we're gonna be here a
long time. We're just still praying, and we're
praying for the right person to come and
take us.
He said, you're not gonna get in. I
said, it's okay.
Spirit will find a way. Spirit always finds
a way if they want something done.
So when he came back the fourth time,

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we had been there all day,
and it was close to,
what would you say, sundown, I guess.
And he said,
if we take you, we could lose our
job. I said, we don't want you to
lose your job.
Don't take us.
We'll find someone else. It's okay. Someone will
come.

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And he said, you're so determined to help.
I said, well, that's why we were sent
here.
We're here to help.
So
he said, if we take you, we have
to go
back and back ways, and are you good
at running? And can you hide behind people?
You're, you know, you're kind of dressed up.
I said, No problem. No one will notice

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us.
He said, Would you be willing to take
the pastor of the church that survived
the explosion?
Because he's been wanting to pray as well,
but he's had no way to go there.
I said, No problem. Prayer is prayer.
It's only as true as the heart that's
saying the prayer.
So the more the merrier. I said, no.

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No. Not the more the merrier. We'll just
we'll just take a few people. So
we wound up running in and out of
all different ways, going back alleys. It was
very interesting
how this fireman took us. His name was
Misha.
He's a wonderful human being.
And we went to a spot where we
could overlook
the pit at 09:11,

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and we had brought cedar and sage. And
he said, no. No. No. No. No. Don't
take anything out. The FBI is in that
building. The CIA is in that building.
All these buildings, you're on camera. I said,
oh, that's okay. We've been on camera before.
It's nothing new. I said, we're fine.
So we sang,
and we did a traditional song for all
the people who were stuck

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still there
in that pit,
and
everybody was crying. We were crying,
and then
the fireman was crying. And then we said
to him, we have a message
for you.
Now we know why it was you that
came.

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There is a father here that wants to
speak to you.
You helped his daughter,
and the fireman fell to the ground.
He was in such shock.
And then once he got up from the
shock and he was sobbing,
he said, we want to show you something.

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And he took us to a very special
place
where he had helped build
an altar of all broken up materials of
wood,
where this little girl got to put up
a picture of her father
on this
piece of wood and made an altar and
wrote to her father how much she loved

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him because she had lost him in the
fire,
in the nineeleven
fire.
And Misha had been the one to make
the altar for her.
And so,
this father wanted to thank him for helping
his daughter.
So, we want to leave with that
story because

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that shows how Spirit works
all the time.
This fireman
had no idea who we were. We had
no idea why we were there. That wasn't
the only thing that we did, but that
was one thing we could talk about that
we did.
So the spirit of the the little girl's
father's spirit
told you?

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Yeah. He was still stuck.
Yeah. He told us to please tell Misha
to thank him for helping his daughter.
Wow. And then told Misha to tell the
little girl and her mother
that he was ready to go, that he
needed to wait to send that message to
let them both know he was okay.
But it's

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but a story like that is so uplifting,
as brutal as it was also.
It shows that there is a very thin
veil between spirit world and human world.
And we wanted to leave people with that
understanding that everything we do
is connected to spirit, everything.

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And there's always a spirit waiting for us.
As you put out your dream, a spirit
is waiting to help catch it and help
it grow.
We are we are all working on this
change of
paradigm
together from power and greed to one of
peace and prayer and love.
And we thought that would be an inspirational

(58:47):
story
for people to hear
because it's something
that doesn't get advertised.
And we have a million stories like that,
so that's why we say miracles are happening
all the time.
All the time. But sometimes we just don't
get to see them.
So it's important for us sometimes when we
get to see them and witness them for

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us to share them
so people can have hope. Do not despair.
Do not lose hope.
Giving up
is the problem.
And our newsletter that's going out now, if
people wanna join our newsletter, we give it
out once a month. We also hold an
international prayer circle once a month. It used
to be every week for two years

(59:29):
during the pandemic, but then it got to
be a little hard to keep that up
at that pace for two and a half
years. So now it's once a month. But
it happens the first Thursday of every month.
If you go on our website,
www.mariamichael.com,
you can sign up for free. It's free
because prayer is free,
and

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everybody gets a chance to pray
so that everybody prays for whatever everybody else
needs,
and then we send out a newsletter. You
can sign up under contact us
to send a newsletter. There's also a GoFundMe
for the reservation.
We're gonna put in a plug for the
reservation. They need money desperately.
They need money for chainsaws, for wood cutting.
They need money for gas to go drive

(01:00:12):
a hundred miles to take wood to elders
and veterans
that live
off, you know, on dirt roads far away
from main cities.
We're gonna be doing an, if people are
interested, we're doing a benefit with a wonderful
group called Emma's Revolution,
two incredible
women activists
who have been singing for twenty years,

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and they're doing a documentary on them as
well. We will do a traditional song live
for the first time in public that will
be,
what do you call, videotaped
cam you know, on the camera,
because
it's time.
It's time for everyone to open up and
be of service. And so they've asked us
to open to do the land acknowledgement,

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to do the opening prayer and closing prayer.
We're gonna give out
flyers for the reservation for GoFundMe.
And if you look on our website, there's
a sign for the GoFundMe as well.
It says we have $84,000.
That's what we have gone
and earned
and all you know, but it's all gone
out. It's all away.
And this year, we had over 10 people

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die and freeze to death on the reservation,
on one reservation.
So we need help.
We need help. So visit our website and
help someone. Remember, we are all privileged.
If you're listening to this, you're privileged.
Find a way to help someone who isn't.
For those of you who are local, we

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live in San Rafael. We are looking for
someone to donate land
so that we can have a sweat lodge
so that everyone can come and pray together,
whether they are binary, non binary, two spirit,
all people
we are all one family. So if you
know if people have land where we could
have a sweat lodge because people need a

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place to pray, we left waters behind
in Colorado,
and we miss it greatly.
So you are welcome to come pray with
us, whoever you are. Help us find the
land. Is it a land that would need
to be permanent? No. It doesn't need to
be permanent. It just could be on a
farm. Yeah. They've we've usually had them on
a farm. We used to have one in
our backyard,
but we had more land at that time.

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But now now we've been using farms and
other places, and we have a special thing
that was created by a welder who donated
it, who was a sundancer
at one time, so that no no embers
can go out,
so that the fire is completely contained in
all four corners by this metal structure
that was all made from scraps and recycled

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because we were all into recycling.
And so
the fire is kept alive in a teepee
style inside that four cornered box
with four flues,
so no embers can go and catch anything
on fire.
So
we did that in Colorado. It's waiting on
that man's land, and it just needs to
have someone drive it out. But they we

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can't drive it out because we have nowhere
to store it. Okay. So the the call
is the if there is someone
around San Rafael, California
that
has land
that this can happen?
In an hour from here would be great.
And, reach out to either myself or to
doctor Michael, and let's make this happen. That

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would be heaven.
Let's all pray together. Wouldn't that be miraculous?
Sometimes we feel when we're praying, people have
said in the past,
that it feels like the Inipi,
which is a sweat lodge, is lifting off
the ground because it has its own life.
You know, it's all made with natural materials,
and so it's all part of the earth.

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And it's such a wonderful thing to be
a part of to make one from scratch
with all different races. It's just
so incredible.
Let's get it going. We're ready. We are
past ready. In the meantime,
we are doing ceremonies in Muir Woods. We've
been given permission for those who
want prayer,
and we go to Lemon Tower a lot

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to do prayer.
I love it. So you do,
personal
help for people, and then you do these
group things, and people can find you doctor
maria michael
dot com.
Yes.
There are testimonials from doctors, spiritual leaders,
all kinds of doctors,

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all kinds of clients. We have so many
more that we haven't put on just because
we haven't had the time to put them
on.
But
at least it helps you see because everybody
has a completely different experience because every human
is different.
Right. That's good. Testimonials are good, I think.
So have a peek. There's also interviews on
there. We would like a copy of this

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interview to get it on so that we
can add that onto the website.
And it's just about having the time to
do all this stuff in between all the
protests. Thank you, grandmother.
Thank you so much, Susan,
for this opportunity to be with you, to
share with you, and to share with your
people.
And people feel free to reach us by

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email
on our website. Our email is there. If
you have questions or answers or
please get out the word about our work,
about
getting out on the the roads.
Boots on the ground is what we call
it.
That's right. And I'll put links on heyhumanpodcast.com
as well to make it easier in case

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people
don't remember or can't figure out how to
get to you. That that will be a
way also. Thank you for listening, everybody. Thank
you for listening, everyone. Bye. Have a blessed
day. Bye.
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