061 - HOLISTIC PEDIATRIC DENTIST: It’s so much more than cavities With @Doctor_Staci - Hey Shayla - Judgement Free Motherhood 😅😭😍

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I remember them teaching us, like what caused
cavities, and I was my jaw wason the floor because I realized
I had no idea.
I just sort of thought oh, youdrink soda and you don't brush
well, and then boop, a cavityappears.
But it's really so much morethan that, because it's it's
really about you.
Now there's somehow you've beeninoculated with a pathogenic

(00:21):
bacteria and you're feeding thatbacteria For mentable
carbohydrates, which is whatthey eat, and so that's sugar or
flour.
So those bacteria metabolizethat food source, they release
acid.
But in theory, if your body isin balance, your saliva should
be able to neutralize or bufferthat acidity.

(00:44):
But at some point you becomeout of balance and your saliva
can't do its job, and so thenthat acid starts leaching
minerals out of your tooth.

Speaker 2 (00:57):
Hey guys, my name is Shayla.
Welcome to the hey Shaylapodcast.
I went from full-time travel tofull-time new COVID mom and now
I'm a mom of two.
And holy Wow is motherhood andadulting a learning curve.
There are so many decisions weneed to make and a million ways
to do it right.
I created this podcast tointerview some of my gurus, to

(01:18):
share their knowledge andempower you on your journey.
Let me be your guinea pig andask the question.
Think everyone else knows herewe're a little hippie.
We try to do things asnaturally as possible, we're
open-minded and we don't takeourselves too seriously, but
above all, we support oneanother and work to find what
works.
If you're into it, you're ourpeople.
Let's get started.
Hello everybody, and welcomeback to the hey Shayla podcast.

(01:41):
Today I have Dr Stacy Whitman,who is a functional children's
dentist in northern PortlandOregon.
She's the founder of no podkids dentistry, where she takes
a whole body, holistic andfunctional approach with her
patients.
Her dentistry practice isgrounded by science and powered
by love.
You can also find dr Stacy atdoctor underscore Stacy with an
eye on Instagram.

(02:02):
Today I want to talk to Stacyabout kids teeth and
specifically in the like zero tofive age range, because I, when
I first was told that I need tobring my kids to the dentist, I
was like, do I?
When do I need to take them?
Why do I need to take them?
Their teeth are gonna fall outanyway.
So I'm really excited to talkto her about all the things and
learn all the things aboutchildren's dentistry From a

(02:24):
holistic approach, because I'vebeen following her for a while
and she definitely talks about,like, what supplements take when
you have cavities and I'm like,excuse me, what.
So it's super interesting and Ican't wait to hear from her.
Hello, thank you and welcome,and so good, I'm so excited to
talk to you.

Speaker 1 (02:40):
I am more excited.
I'll compete with you about theexcitement.

Speaker 2 (02:48):
I'm a huge fan of yours as well and it's it's been
so interesting to follow youand just like learn, because I
was the person who was like theteeth are gonna fall out, why do
I need to Do that?
And like the whole fluoridething.
You're like do I do fluoride,do not do Florida?
I don't know when there's justso much mixed, it's just so.

(03:10):
Let's just get to the bottom ofit all, okay.

Speaker 1 (03:13):
Gonna unpack it all today right here.

Speaker 2 (03:16):
Perfect.
So I want to talk specificallyabout like Zero to five age
range ish like the, because whendo you start losing teeth?

Speaker 1 (03:25):
I'm.
Usually the average is aroundsix, but certainly we see four
year olds lose teeth and thensome kids don't lose teeth till
they're like eight or nine.
But I think six, so like latekindergarten, first grade.

Speaker 2 (03:37):
Okay, okay, so when?
What?
Well, I always like to startoff with like I want to know
about you how did you get intoholistic dentistry?
I feel like that's a prettyniche, uh-huh big.

Speaker 1 (03:51):
Yeah, especially Functional, holistic Pediatric
dentistry.
There's hardly any in thecountry.

Speaker 2 (03:59):
We're working on that .

Speaker 1 (04:00):
So who?
Um, I I'll try to abbreviatethis, but I was a general
dentist for many years.
Um, I hated dentistry.
I arguably never really likedit.
I was an art major and like atheater kid, what yeah.

Speaker 2 (04:17):
I don't have you get it.
Okay, I literally don't reallyknow it was safe.

Speaker 1 (04:21):
It was.
It got me out of Maine.
I was in rural central Maineand I wanted out so bad.

Speaker 2 (04:28):
Dentistry was the ticket out.

Speaker 1 (04:29):
I was like dentistry safe, uh yeah, and I was like I
guess I work with my hands, alittle bit kind of like the
artistic thing.
So I graduated and I reallydidn't like it.
Um, and Part of it was I keptseeing patients just coming back
with disease.
So like you do these fillingsor root canals or crowns, and

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then the patient leaves and thenthey come back six months later
and then they have all the sameissues again and I just thought
what are we doing here?
This is like putting band-aidsall over the place.
Um, and so I thought how do Iget more upstream?
How do I get more root cause?
How do I educate these humansbefore they have these massive

(05:13):
Chronic issues?
And I thought, well, that'swith kids.
I need to get to the parents, Ineed to get upstream.
So I went back and went and gotmy pediatric certification board
certification and then Ipracticed in a more traditional
practice again, because that'skind of all that seems to exist.
Right and I still was findingthe same dissatisfaction.

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Um, mostly too, I just didn'thave the time I needed to
educate Parents and kids,because a lot of us just we've
really received no oral healtheducation.
I mean, you know your intralike why are baby teeth
important?
What's the big deal?
Fluoride, not fluoride.
So I personally Practiced, Ipersonally lived a life that was

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cleaner, if you will, and thishas been a journey, but that
started in high school.
I remember my boyfriend's momwas a chiropractor and she gave
me the book sugar busters.
Okay if anyone's read it, it waslike the first time I I
realized, oh, sugar is sodetrimental to our health, um,
so this was back in like the mid90s and anyway.

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So that just led me on thistrajectory of reading more about
health and nutrition.
And then I lost my parents whenI was pretty young, and that
was due to preventable lifestylechoices, and so I just chose To
like double down on cleanliving.
So that's how I was living mylife, but I wasn't applying that

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to the way I practice dentistry.
Okay so I just thought well gosh, I'm gonna recreate my practice
model.
No one else is doing this, butI can't.
I'm not gonna maintain mydentist License if I don't
change something, because I wasstill pretty miserable.
Yeah, because it's a lot likegroundhog day.
I mean, you just go in andyou're just doing the same thing

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over and over again.
It's really wonderful to seepatients get healthy.
Yeah and in a lot of dentalsituations you don't, you don't.
So anyway, um, so I opened myown office and I Just went, went
for it and branded it as aholistic office.
And then really I considermyself more functional dentist
because I now have IFM orInstitute of Functional Medicine

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certification.
That's a whole other topic, butessentially that just means we
get to the root cause of disease.
We try to tie in how oral healthrelates to systemic health, how
the oral microbiome establishedfrom infancy can, you know,
really affect a child's entiretrajectory of health, and that
cavities aren't just I feel likewe'd normalize them.

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And so this isn't to shame orjudge, but it's.
It's to say there's somethinggoing on in that human and we
shouldn't be losing mineralsfrom our teeth and living in the
state of imbalance.
And that goes for gum healthand bone health and facial
development and airway andeverything.
And so if we really want tooptimize health, we need to
realize that mouth isn'tseparate from the rest of the

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body.
And I think that's just Aneducational piece that you know,
because dentistry is over hereand medicines over here.
Totally yeah we just think, oh,they're separate, but of course
they're not.
I mean, this is the gatewayinto our body.
We swallow 2000 times a day, sowe're swallowing bacteria Every

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day like trillions of bacteria.
That's affecting gut health.
You know, your teeth are themost mineralized Substance in
your body and so if they'recrumbling and decaying, you know
what is the what's happening inthe rest of your body with your
minerals and your vitamins andjust your systemic health.
So we know if you have Ahealthy mouth you will be more

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likely to have a healthy body.

Speaker 2 (08:56):
That there's so okay.
First question is what is thedifference between functional
and holistic?

Speaker 1 (09:01):
Yeah, I mean Holistic .
I think thrown out there a lot,a little bit is kind of
marketing, to be honest with you, because that's what patients
kind of most Recognize, yeah,but you know it's holistic means
whole body body Okay.
I would say functional medicineand dentistry.

(09:21):
It just kicks it up a notch inthe sense that we're looking for
root cause but based on onfunctional medicine principles,
which mean it's likeUnderstanding how different
components of the body worktogether.
So I can't say holisticdentistry is necessarily taking
that extra training andunderstanding hormones and

(09:44):
understanding immune health andunderstanding, you know,
cardiometabolic health.
It's a lot of medicine, to behonest.

Speaker 2 (09:51):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (09:52):
And this is not taught in dental school.
There's nowhere to go gettrained in this.
You sort of have to piecemealit right now, which is what I
did, but I am fortunate enoughto be working with a team of
amazing humans.
We are trying to create afunctional dentistry.
So cool you can go get trainedand get this information.
So you know, I think holisticgets a little bit of side eye,

(10:15):
because what does that mean?
I mean, are we like rubbingcrystals on people?
Right like functional medicine,functional dentistry is
extremely evidence-based.
Got it you know it's just um,it's it's trying to reach
optimal health.
So we know like traditionalmedicine might say, vitamin D at
this level is okay, it'sacceptable.

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But we really know our vitaminD should be up here because
that's optimal.
that's more like functionalmedicine we got it optimal
health in the human and we lookreally deeply at the oral
microbiome airway but alsodigging deep and knowing you
know what gene snaps affectdental development and digestion

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and bioavailability and wereally focus a lot on gut health
and we focus a lot on, likeoral facial pain and sleep and
it's it's just more of asystemic approach.
That's wild.

Speaker 2 (11:10):
Well, I even just saw posts from you being like, oh,
these are the supplements youshould take if you have cavities
, and I was like, whatsupplements for?
So you're right, like it isEven in my mind.
It's like you've got your teethand you've got your health and
body and whatever, and like yourmouth microbiome.
Never heard of that before, soit's right.
So it's so fat.

(11:30):
But you're right, like ifyou're swallowing all this stuff
every day, you're right.
Listen to me, be like.
I think you're on to something.

Speaker 1 (11:37):
I know, I know it's so funny, though I remember I am
sure it was like my first dayof dental school, I had no one
in my family who was a dentist.
Again, why was I there?

Speaker 2 (11:47):
I was like well, clearly we know why.
Now.

Speaker 1 (11:50):
I was doing 3d art, sculptures and things, anyway.
I remember them teaching uslike what caused cavities.
And I was my jaw was on thefloor because I realized I had
no idea.
I just sort of thought oh, youdrink soda and you don't brush
well, and then boop, a cavityappears.
But it's really so much morethan that, because it's.
It's really about how you nowthere's somehow you've been

(12:13):
inoculated with a pathogenicbacteria and you're feeding that
bacteria for mentablecarbohydrates, which is what
they eat, and so that's sugar orflour, so those bacteria
metabolize that food source,they release acid.
But in theory, if your body isin balance, your saliva should

(12:34):
be able to neutralize or bufferthat acidity.
But at some point you becomeout of balance and your saliva
can't do its job, and so thenthat acid starts leaching
minerals out of your tooth.
But if your tooth is alreadyweak or mineral deficient or
vitamin deficient, well thatprocess is going to happen a lot

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faster and it has a lot to dowith hydration and electrolytes,
because your saliva is likethis golden elixir.
Like we don't take our spitseriously enough.
Your spit is incrediblyimportant for your health.
Um, it's important forswallowing and digestion and gut
health.
It protects your teeth.
That's why we see patients whomouth, breathe or undergo any

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sort of chemotherapy radiation.
They get zero stomia, dry mouth.
Their teeth just fall apart.
Um and so there's a lot to it.

Speaker 2 (13:27):
There's a lot more to it even that you because I'm I
still am on the train of thesugar eats your teeth.
That's what I taught mydaughter, so I'm gonna have to
teach her.

Speaker 1 (13:40):
So this is a great way to educate your kids,
because I also don't love howwe've created such a negative
impression of germs.
Like we know, we're overdisinfecting, all the bleach and
the distance you know all of it.
We're increased risk of asthmaand allergies.
We're just seeing all thesethings because we're wiping out

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our microbiomes and there's somany wonderful things about a
healthy microbiome.
I mean, arguably you can't behealthy without your microbiome.
We are more microbial cells andhuman cells.
That's something wild to thinkabout.
So a way to teach your kids isthat there's good guys and
there's bad guys, and you wannafeed your good guys and you

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don't wanna feed your bad guys,so we want a bigger good guy
army, not a bad guy army.
And so what good guys eat.
They eat the rainbow.
That's what I teach in myoffice.

Speaker 2 (14:34):
Okay, this is exactly what I've been telling Aliyah
the good guys are superheroes,because she's into superheroes.

Speaker 1 (14:38):
They're superheroes totally.

Speaker 2 (14:41):
But I do it as, like the immune system, I guess I
think of like.

Speaker 1 (14:45):
So you have immune cells in your saliva, so that is
part of it.

Speaker 2 (14:49):
Okay, keep going.

Speaker 1 (14:50):
Yeah.
So I mean, think about how dothings enter into our body
through our nose, through ourmouth, if you cut your skin?
Through your skin, maybethrough your eye, but otherwise
we have a barrier, right?
So we have immune cells in here.
Every time we put something inour mouth, food, our fingers,
whatever, the cells have to goIs this foreign or not?

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And they will go to battle withforeign invaders, viruses,
bacteria.
Now, obviously, things are stillgetting into the system, but
that's the first mode of defense.
The same with your nose.
I mean, you have immune healthqualities in your nose too.
It's filtering, it'sdisinfecting the air that you
breathe.
Now, of course, things can getpassed.

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This is also why we talk aboutbleeding gums.
Or we say, if you see pink inthe sink, so that's gingivitis.
So think of many of us haveheard about leaky gut or
intestinal permeability.
That is, when now, the layerwithin our intestines is
permeable, which is not supposedto be.

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So the gap junctions open andforeign material from our food
can get into our body and thatcan create this inflammatory
response, right?
So we've heard, most of us haveheard about leaky gut.
Well, there's leaky gums.
Our gums are supposed to be abarrier so that things can't get
into our system.
But if they're not healthy andyour gums bleed, now that's an

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entry point for bacteria in yourmouth to get into your system,
just like if you had a cut, andit gets infected.
And we know now with the oralmicrobiome, these pathogenic
bacteria, they can catch a freeride all over the body, through
your circulatory system, yourlymphatic system, they end up in
organ systems.
They shouldn't Like the brainor the heart and they can infect

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our ability to conceive.
They can affect our pregnancies.
I mean we're seeingmiscarriages or preterm weight
babies Because of the pathogenicbacteria.
So the like p-gingivalis is abig one.
It's a bad, bad germ.
We see it with gum disease andperiodontal disease, which is

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bone disease, okay, and you'reseeing it in the brains of
Alzheimer's patients.
And when it gets there it'sreleasing toxins.
Essentially it's inflammatorymarkers that are then creating
imbalances in these organsystems.

Speaker 2 (17:15):
So you have this germ in your mouth, but once your
gums are so unhealthy thatthey're bleeding, then it can
get into your body.

Speaker 1 (17:22):
Correct.

Speaker 2 (17:23):
What.

Speaker 1 (17:24):
Yeah, and this is the oral microbiome.
This is all the talk about theoral microbiome and you know
we're seeing the oral microbiomeresearch is really blowing up
Because we're realizing thesebacteria, pathogenic bacteria,
from the mouth.
They're more influential overour health than we realize, so
we can even breathe them in.
It can affect our lungs and sowe saw that with a lot of the

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early days of COVID the patientsthat were dying of pneumonia in
the hospitals they were findingoral bacteria in their lungs.

Speaker 2 (17:56):
My mind is melting right now.
Yeah, we haven't even.
Oh, I just don't plug this, wehaven't even gotten into any
questions.

Speaker 1 (18:03):
It makes it a lot cooler.
I'm already president.

Speaker 2 (18:07):
I'm already what.

Speaker 1 (18:09):
It makes dentistry a lot cooler.

Speaker 2 (18:11):
Yeah, you're like, I kind of like my job now, now
that I've created my own job,yeah, but I think too it's
important.

Speaker 1 (18:18):
This is where I see dentistry going Like we're
always going to need technicians, like people that can fix and
repair teeth, and that's justkind of what dentistry is.
But we really need more dentalphysicians, I think, that are
piecing this all together forpatients and testing the
microbiome.
I don't know, looking at apatient, what type of microbial

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health they have.
There's up to 800 species nowof bacteria that can inhabit the
mouth.
We don't all have all 800.
But that's how many they'vecoded for essentially.
And so with oral microbiometesting you can do a spit test.
My favorite is bristle, which wecan put the link in the show
notes for your listeners and Ihave a little discount I can

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offer.
But it's an at-home spit test.
Send it off Kind of just likethink 23andMe, but it's for your
saliva in your oral microbiomeand you get data and it will say
you have a very high risk ofperiodontal disease, bacteria in
your mouth or bad breath orcavity-causing bacteria.

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They do gut health assessmentstoo, and it's going to keep
expanding.
They're probably going to starttalking about genetic mutations
and SNPs and things too and howthose relate.
But then you get a printout andthen you can work with a
one-on-one functional dentalhealth coach, who's usually a
hygienist, to talk about.

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How do we get you healthy again?
How do we get these bacteriaout of your mouth?
We want to crowd them out.
We want balanced bacteria,commensal species, healthy
bacteria in your mouth.

Speaker 2 (19:50):
And that's not just by brushing, no.

Speaker 1 (19:53):
Hygiene.
I mean for kids, I don't wantto overwhelm people.
Hygiene's very low on my list.
So it's really about nutrition,minerals and vitamins.
How are your teeth developingand what's the quality of your
saliva?
So hydration and electrolytesand trace minerals are very

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important too.
Then I would say it's reallyimportant how you're breathing.
So if you're mouth breathing,that's going to create an
environment for bad bacteria inyour mouth, because the bad
bacteria they love acid, so theylove a low pH and when you
mouth breathe the pH of yourmouth is low.

Speaker 2 (20:37):
See the mouth breathing.
I have not gone down thatrabbit hole.
I've kind of just like, ok,these weirdos were in tape on
their mouths that night, but youtalk about it all the time.
I put it on them questions,just because I'm like I tape
every night.

Speaker 1 (20:53):
I tape every night.
What if you have a stuffy nose?
I don't.
Then I don't tape.
I don't tape if I have a cold,OK but why?

Speaker 2 (21:03):
What is it?
Ok, like I've done zero intothis, give me a very high level.
What's the mouth breathing?

Speaker 1 (21:10):
So when mouth breathing starts in kids let's
just start there it can createwhat we call oral motor
dysfunction.
So it affects the way you growand it affects the way your
tongue sits in your mouth and itcan affect the way your jaws
develop.
So I want everyone to think of,like Napoleon Dynamite, when

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you think of a character who'smouth breathing like forward
shoulders right, and it's thatlong face, open, dark circles
hunched over shoulders that's atypical mouth breather, because
they're trying to open theirairway so they can breathe, so

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they're moving their body in away and then eventually it
creates this terrible postureand that can lead to all these
other things.
But that open mouth too, itaffects the way the jaw develops
.
The job's going to kind ofdevelop down and long and it
perpetuates the mouth breathing.
Now I want you to think of,like a typical movie star, what
tends to make them so attractive.
Think of the chiseled jaw.

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They have nice, wide, big jaws.
Think of Brad Pitt or AngelinaJolie Big, wide jaws.
It's because their airways arebig.
So how does this impact kids?
So if your jaws are small, it'sa surface area issue.
If your jaws are narrow andsmall, if your palate is narrow,
if it's V-shaped, if it'svaulted, you're not going to

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have enough room for your teeth.
So crowding, crowded teeth is asign of small jaws and a
potential airway issue.
If your jaws are nice and wide,the teeth are going to fit.
Do, do, do, do, do even.
And if you ever go to like theNatural History Museum, look at
ancestral skulls.
Their teeth are perfectlystraight, like 10,000 years ago,

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perfectly straight, no braces.
That's because they had thesebig, wide airways, because they
were obligate nasal breathers,they breathed through their
noses, and also because theychewed, and they chewed their
food up to four hours a day, andso that pressure of the tongue
in the face and the musclesmoving out, it grows the face

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wide.
We now are a society that sucksdown go-gurts and smoothies and
mac and cheese and we inhale ourfood and we don't chew.
We only chew about four minutesa day now, and so this impacts
jaws.
To change what?
And if you think about itvolumetrically that small jaws,

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it's going to make small sinuses, it's going to make a small
airway and you're going to havea hard time breathing and you're
more likely maybe to have sleepapnea, sleep disorder,
breathing.
Well, what does that mean?
Well, if we're not gettingenough oxygen and if you breathe
through your mouth you get 20%less oxygen.
That affects brain development.
So that affects braindevelopment in our kids and so a

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lot of these kids that aregetting pegged with behavioral
issues, adhd, and they're beingput on meds.
They actually have an airwayissue, a breathing issue, but
you don't tape kids' mouths.
You can over the age of three,but you want to make sure that
they've been checked off by anENT and that you're working with

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an airway focused dentist.

Speaker 2 (24:23):
Yeah, not just like.
Oh, I think my kid air breathes, I'm going to tape their mouth
tonight 100%.

Speaker 1 (24:27):
You also make sure that they're mature enough to
kind of understand what'shappening.
But if you think about it, allyou're doing is physically just
trying to keep your lips closedso you breathe through.
So the rule is you need a timeand if you can comfortably
breathe through your nose forthree minutes without feeling
panic like fight or flight, thenyou could mouth tape or lip

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tape.
Now some people have a deviatedseptum.
Kids have huge adenoids thatare blocking or inflamed
turbinates in their noses.
They have allergies, they'vestuffed the noses.
No, you should not be liptaping or mouth taping.
Or if you've been diagnosed asan adult with true obstructive
sleep apnea, no, you need to beworking on correcting that.

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But for me mine's like a muscletone thing.
My mouth just pops open atnight so I just tape it.
But I will tell you, because Ihave this aura ring, when I tape
my sleep scores are incrediblebecause I'm getting into my deep
restorative sleep.
I'm not waking up all nightbecause I'm kind of like it's

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essentially like you're chokingIf you're done fall back.
You're choking.
That makes you wake up.
You're going to feel likegarbage, your hormones are going
to be all jacked up.
So that's kind of that part ofit, and this is also why
hormones is really important.
So when you get into deeperrestorative sleep, that's when
growth hormones release, that'swhen anti-diuretic hormone is

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released.
So a lot of these kids who areprolonged bedwetters, the first
thing I ask is I wonder ifthey're mouth breathing at night
, because that means they're notgetting into deep sleep to
release that hormone to preventthem from urinating.
But also, if you kids havereally small stature, it could
be because their growth hormonehasn't been being released

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appropriately.
So if a child comes in withsmall stature or a diagnosis of
ADHD, I'm always digging deepinto how they breathe in their
sleep.
But from a dental standpoint,if you're breathing through your
mouth, you also now you'reallowing a place for more
bacteria and viruses to come inbecause your nose filters a lot,
but also you're drying themouth out, and when you dry the

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mouth out now you've lost yourbeautiful saliva, which is
protecting your teeth.
That affects your digestion,because digestion starts in the
mouth.
We have enzymes in our mouththat actually start the
digestive process and it lowersthe pH to your mouse acidic, and
so you're more likely to havecavities and gum disease too and
like tonsil stones, bad breath,basically an imbalanced

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microbiome.
So you're creating this perfectenvironment for the bad
bacteria to just thrive.

Speaker 2 (27:07):
So you're saying we used to chew more and breathe
through our noses more.
No, we used to chew more, whichchanged the shape of our jaw,
which allowed our airways to bebigger.
Now we're doing like, basically, processed foods that just are
dissolving in our mouths andwe're not having to actually
chew.
So our jaws are being morenarrow, which is making our

(27:31):
airway more narrow and harder tobreathe, which is changing our
posture, which is changing oursleep, which is changing our
hormones.

Speaker 1 (27:38):
Yeah, and got health too.
Yeah, all of it Digestion, gothealth.
I mean it's a big deal.
So then what do?

Speaker 2 (27:43):
you do, when you start to notice that you're I
mean just feed them chewierfoods.

Speaker 1 (27:48):
Chewing, yes, so that I mean I'm not gonna say I'm in
one camp or the other, but babylead weaning done safely, if
you're into that, is somethingto look into or doing at least a
mix of purees and baby leadweaning.
So chewing is important whenyou feel safe.
It's not a choking hazard.
You obviously need to work withyour pediatrician and offering

(28:10):
really crunchy vegetables, meats, carrots, you know, raw veggies
is a wonderful thing to do.
But then also there areappliances, now called like.
There's a myo-munchy.
It's a little silicone tray, alot like the brush that you
asked me about.
Yeah, but it goes in and it'sactually an oral motor appliance

(28:34):
and it can replace pacifiers,it can help kids with thumb
sucking, but basically it goesin.
They close their lips around it.
It's like a U, you know it'salmost like an off guard, yeah,
and they gently chew on it andit's so.
It's building these facialmuscles.
I keep one of my car because itactually tones the face, oh
nice.
I mean think of this as muscles, just like the gym.

(28:55):
You gotta work the face out, youknow, and your tongue is a
muscle too, and so the otherthing to know about this is
where tongue ties come in yourtongue this is your tongue
should be living up at yourpalate when your mouth's closed
and your tongue's this huge,strong muscle, and so over time
the starts in utero, when yourbaby's inside of you.

(29:16):
The tongue goes up and itstarts to spread the palate and
spread the face.
It pushes out.

Speaker 2 (29:21):
Hmm.

Speaker 1 (29:22):
And breastfeeding continues to help support that.
But if think about if thetongue is restricted and it
can't lift up, it's gonna sitlow in the mouth, you're gonna
mouth breathe and your palate'sgonna be super narrow.
Your palate is a bone right hereit's also the floor of the nose

(29:42):
, so if your palate is narrowand vaulted, your sinuses are
gonna be narrow.
You also be more likely to havea deviated septum what?
And so you're not gonna be ableto breathe your nose, and this
is why we like to expand kidsearly, which can be with these
cute little retainers.
There's a suture here in thebone that's filled with

(30:06):
cartilage, and so it's reallyeasy to manipulate that bone
when kids are young.

Speaker 2 (30:11):
On the top of their mouth.

Speaker 1 (30:13):
Yep, they just think about your pink retainer that we
maybe had after embraces, Istill have it.
Yep so but there's a way to likeexpand it.
There's like the little cutething and it will expand it and
it's really so easy to do inyoung kids because that
cartilage is so wide open.
Around the age of 10, a lot ofour facial development is done,

(30:34):
believe it or not, as much asconventional and traditional
orthodontics will argue withthis.
Once you're around 10, that'sgonna.
That really fills in with bone,it starts to interdigitate and
lock and now it's really hard tomanipulate the shape of the
face and the jaws.
And so traditional orthodonticsvery much focus on straight
teeth, the aesthetics, theHollywood smile.

(30:55):
I care more about jawdevelopment, facial development,
airway health.
If we work on that early, early, early, just like what I said
before, if the jaws are wideenough, the teeth will be
straight.
So, you still get the straightteeth.
It's just that wasn't your goaland if traditional orthodontics
you very often are, you know,waiting until the kids are 12,

(31:17):
13, all the baby teeth havefallen out, you've missed an
opportunity to actually changethe shape of that patient's face
and jaws in their airway and so, even though their teeth are
straight, they still might havea high narrow palate, they still
might have small jaws andthey're very likely more likely
to have oral motor dysfunctionissues and breathing issues as

(31:38):
they get older.

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Okay, so I'm a listener, I'mlistening to this and I'm going.
Yeah, I think my kid needswhatever.

Speaker 1 (33:03):
Go to my dentist and they're like.
That's the hard part.
That's what.

Speaker 2 (33:07):
I'm gonna put your heart on yeah.

Speaker 1 (33:10):
So you would wanna look for and I have some
resources that are on my pageAsk the Dentist is a really
great platform.
He has a functional dentistfinder and a lot of functional
dentists.
A huge component of theirpractice is airway health, but
this is a little bitcontroversial.
It's like a scholarly debate,which I think is ridiculous

(33:33):
because there's just so muchevidence for it.
I'll be honest, they arestarting to teach us in dental
schools now, just kind oflowering the treatment age, but
it's an education.
We have to educate the publicabout this too, cause some
parents are like what do youmean?
My four year old or five yearold needs a retainer?
What?
are you talking about, but likemy daughter, she's 10.

(33:53):
We started her at five withexpanders and now she's just
finishing an Invisalign andshe's done at 10.
Her jaws are so wide.
She has this big, beautiful,wide smile.
Her friends are just gettingbraces on.
She never needed braces.
So a lot of this earlyintervention, you can avoid

(34:15):
braces and with some severecases you're gonna avoid jaw
surgery when you're older too.
So it's a big deal.
So you wanna find someone thatis practicing this way.
So check out those resources.
But I'll put it in the shownotes.
But there's a couple websitesto check out to find providers
too.
One's the Breathe Institute inLA just see who's been a

(34:39):
certified provider on there andthe other is the AAPMD.
It's the American Academy ofPhysiological Medicine and
Dentistry.
I think it's what it stands for.
But it's basically an airwaygroup and everyone who's listed
on their website will have doneairway training.

Speaker 2 (34:57):
Okay, yeah, because I feel like that would be the
hardest thing.
You're like okay, I'm on board.
Now how do I find somebodywho's also on board?
What can do something to helpme?

Speaker 1 (35:05):
It's so hard.
And it's just like everydentist isn't the same, every
ear, nose and throat doctorisn't the same.
If you do need tonsils andadenoids assessed, every
physician's not the same.
Every orthodontist isn't thesame but it's a slow movement.
There are people out there Imean, I'll be honest, I do have
people that travel really reallyfar to see me.

(35:26):
It's very flattering andhumbling, but it's because they
just don't have any resourcesclose by.
So sometimes, if you have themeans, you may need to travel a
little bit.
But again, it's one of thosethings you sort of are paying it
forward and I really deeplybelieve it's gonna help the
overall health of your kids.

Speaker 2 (35:46):
But even if you don't have the monetary resources,
the crunchy things as soon asyou can.
I feel like is like the best.

Speaker 1 (35:54):
And in breastfeeding, if you can.
Not everyone is able to do that, not everyone wants to do that,
not everyone can do that aslong as they might like to, but
breastfeeding is a wonderful wayto help facilitate jaw
development and then also makingsure if there was like a tongue
restriction or something, thatit got addressed.
That's.
The other hard part is a lot ofthem are not diagnosed or

(36:16):
misdiagnosed.
But yeah, crunchy foods I meanwhole foods is really important.
Maybe you can buy a mildmunchie and try to use that too.

Speaker 2 (36:27):
Okay, yeah, oh.
The other thing that I saw wastongue stuff so like, because
I've seen if your kid has gotlike kind of like white film or
like white whatever, that'ssugar.

Speaker 1 (36:44):
It's chemi candida.

Speaker 2 (36:45):
Yes, that.

Speaker 1 (36:47):
So that's another component of this.
We have learned in the researchthat it's not just strep mutans
, which is a type of bacteriathat we are taught in dental
school is like the big culpritof cavities it's strep mutans,
strep mutans, strep mutans.
Well, now we're realizing ohwait, hang tight, it could be
fungus, it's candida, andespecially if you have strep

(37:09):
mutans and candida, it's likethat's a super hero power team
and they help facilitate eachother to be full throttle evil
in your mouth, if you will.
So a lot of babies, their teethcome in and these poor mamas
are breastfeeding and then theteeth start decaying and they go

(37:31):
to see the dentist and thedentist says you need to stop
breastfeeding.
This is basically your fault.
I get furious about this and Iwill tell you I used to be that
dentist because that's how I wastrained and it's absolute BS.
So again, there's nothing moreimportant than breastfeeding for
airway health.
Okay, so you need to bebreastfeeding as long as you can

(37:53):
, as long as it works for you.
If it works for you, it's notthe breastfeeding that's causing
the cavities, it's not thebreast milk.
If you just think about thislogically, evolutionarily, it
wouldn't make sense for mammalsto be feeding our babies this
beautiful golden elixir of allof this wonderful nutrients and

(38:15):
immune cells and all of this,and then it would decay our
teeth.
And there's no other species onthe planet of animal that gets
decay from their mother's milk.
So that's just logics.
Actually, animals in the wilddon't get cavities.
It's domesticated dogs and catsthat are getting cavities, and

(38:36):
that's because of kibble.
You're not gonna get cavitiesfrom eating a deer.

Speaker 2 (38:43):
Right, yeah.

Speaker 1 (38:45):
So these poor mons are being told stop
breastfeeding.
But really I'm thinking Candida.
Does the baby have fungus and alot of them do or are their
teeth extremely undermineralized?
Because we are so mineraldeficient and this is no one's
fault, this is generational butwe've stripped our soil.
I mean, we know our soil isextremely magnesium deficient.

(39:08):
Magnesium is really importantfor dental development.
So many of us are vitamin Ddeficient.
And even if you're consuming it, is it bioavailable?
How are you metabolizing it?
And so vitamin D deficiency.
And then this is where the workof Dr Western Price comes in.
Maybe you've heard of him.
Dr Steven Lin is a functionaldentist out of Australia who

(39:32):
kind of modernized his work DrPrice's work in a book called
the Dental Diet.
And essentially Dr Pricetraveled the world in the 1930s
studying more ancestral tribesthat were still in existence and
studying what they were eating,and he found that their teeth
were immaculate.
They had beautiful wide arches,no crowding, wide open airways

(39:54):
and no cavities.
And so he was looking at well,what are they eating?
And they were eating ancestraldiets of a ton of fat soluble
vitamins, you know, fish oils,vitamin D, vitamin K, vitamin A,
lots of minerals.

Speaker 2 (40:11):
Through their food, though.
Through their food, yeah, sonot even supplement.

Speaker 1 (40:16):
No, no, but we don't eat this way anymore.
So they were eating like organmeats and like drinking blood
and you know stuff that we'renot probably gonna pull off,
Don't take your yeah.
I mean we're.
We need to get kids offgoldfish crackers Right.
So, like we have to, we're anormal modern society.

Speaker 2 (40:35):
Yeah, but it's interesting.

Speaker 1 (40:38):
You know what kids are eating liver and, like we
used to, you know, or again, ourminerals, we're still mineral
deficient, which means moms aremineral deficient, which means
our milk is deficient, which Idon't know, that's what I was
thinking.

Speaker 2 (40:51):
I'm like, if they're only getting milk, how are they
having a fungus?
But it's, yeah, coming from mom.

Speaker 1 (41:00):
Usually so.
Our microbiomes come from ourmoms.
So you know, ideally we firstestablished our microbiome.
Well, actually, we know themicrobiome starts in utero.
We didn't, we used to think itdidn't.
We know, we now know it does.
But that coming through thebirth canal is your first
exposure to your mom'smicrobiome.
And then, of course, skin onskin and breastfeeding.
All of this is establishing themicrobiome, which is a good

(41:22):
thing.
We want all these beautiful,good, versatile bacteria.
But usually who firstintroduces pathogenic bacteria
to the baby?
It's a caregiver, not just amom, but it could be dad, it
could be grandma, it could beolder sibling.
So bacteria, cavity bacteria,it's transmissible, you can
exchange it.

(41:43):
It's like talking.
Sharing utensils, kissing on thelips.
You know the past.
Fire falls, you lick it, yougive it back to the child and
then at some point, depending onthe underlying health of the
child and immune response,they're either gonna kind of
like fight off that bad bacteriathat comes in the mouth or, if
they're more vulnerable, thebacteria is gonna take over.

(42:05):
Yeah, yeah, and depending whatyou're eating too.
So it's a good thing too ifwe're in the dating scene.
You should know the OralMicrobiology partner.

Speaker 2 (42:19):
Oh right.

Speaker 1 (42:20):
I mean that's a little crazy next level.

Speaker 2 (42:22):
but if somebody think about rampant periodontal
disease, I don't know You'resaying as far as procreation, or
just like kissing them.

Speaker 1 (42:33):
Kissing, yeah, nasty yeah, I mean just being a
partner with them.
They're more likely to haveAlzheimer's and dementia and all
these things.
They need to get their mouth incheck.

Speaker 2 (42:46):
Right.

Speaker 1 (42:47):
I'm healthy yeah.

Speaker 2 (42:49):
Oh my gosh.
Okay, so you're sayingbreastfeeding is great.
Is there like a?
Well, you said the what's themunchie thing called?

Speaker 1 (42:58):
My oh munchie, my oh munchie.

Speaker 2 (43:03):
But is there like a nook that's better than others,
or a bottle nipple that's betterthan others or anything like
that?

Speaker 1 (43:11):
Yeah, it really depends on the baby's needs, but
generally speaking, you want tofind a nipple that resembles a
nipple on your body as much aspossible, and so what is that?
It's usually the straight, solike literally the passers they
give you at the hospital.
Those are some of the best ones,and it's the same for bottles

(43:31):
too, like just kind of a morestraight nipple.
But if you're having problemsbreastfeeding or feeding, I
really do recommend to work withan IBCLC, like a certified
lactation consultant, becausewe're all bio individual.
So if I can't just say, look,this bottle is perfect for
everyone or this passers perfectfor everyone, but a lot of
those like orthodontic pacifiers, it's marketing.

Speaker 2 (43:53):
Okay.
So I'm looking right now, justlike the Phillips advent, just
literally, where it's justthere's no bulb, there's no,
nothing, it's just a straight,yes, straighten it and then the
brushing.
So my kids are a year and ahalf and three and a half and I

(44:15):
started like I would just handthem the toothbrush before they
had teeth, and I would.
They would brush their teethwhile I brush my teeth and then,
as they had older, I would helpthem do it.
My one and a half year old itdoesn't let me do much, but
she's seeing her three anywaybut then I saw this at for this,
like it's a mouth guardtoothbrush, and it was like, oh,
your kids are missing thingsbecause they're not getting in

(44:37):
between the spaces.
And I was like, yeah, they are.
And you put this mouth guardthing with all these little like
nubbies and then like, really,yeah and the, and you just rock
it back and forth and itvibrates and I was like genius.
So I sent it over to you to geta fact check.
I didn't got a big fail.

Speaker 1 (44:55):
Thumbs down.
Yeah, so okay, the reason I'mnot a fan has to do with my
clinical observation of patientscoming in using those.
Their teeth are filthy, some ofthe worst plaque accumulation
I've seen.
So I called the company aboutthis and they're like oh,

(45:18):
they're not using it correctly,let us send you a kit.
Can you be an influencer?
Blah, blah, blah.
So I thought this is disgusting, but this is my story.
So I was like all right, I'mgonna test this for myself.
So I didn't brush my teeth forfour days and I intentionally
ate way more fermentablecarbohydrates than I do.
I tend to eat pretty paleo andif you eat more paleo and I'm

(45:42):
not advocating for any diet,we're all different but I eat
more.
I just eat like meat andvegetables that's kind of my
main thing, with a little bit offruit, but I ate a lot of bread
and crackers and like all thesethings.
And I had like gross plaque allover my teeth, driving me crazy
.
And then I did.
I took a disclosing tabletMaybe you guys know there's
those little red tablets usuallyand you break them and you chew

(46:03):
them and you swish and itstains your plaque pink.
So I did that and then I put inmy auto brush and I followed
the instructions exactly as Isaid, I'm a dentist.
I'm very good at followingstep-by-step instructions.
That's all.
Dentists do we followinstructions and I took it out
and I have photos.
Nothing came off.

(46:24):
I had pink plaque all over myteeth still.
Did you follow up with them?
Yeah and they were like youdidn't do it right and I said I
absolutely did, and also, thisis not rocket science.
So basically it just it doesn'tdo a good job.
I think it's a fun tool to getkids excited about oral health

(46:48):
and I think anything that youcan do that makes it fun is
awesome.
But here's a strategy I havefor introducing brushing.
If you just have a young babywho's just getting teeth, I
really love this.
So you are on your changingtable multiple times a day In

(47:08):
the top drawer of your changingtable, and this I want you
starting to do things like assoon as teeth are up, so like
six, seven, eight months old.
The drawer of your changingtable or wherever you're keeping
all your creams and things.
Have a toothbrush and maybe alittle toothpaste or maybe not,
like sometimes just water's fineuntil molars are up.
I like the little siliconefinger brushes at first, so they

(47:32):
make like the silicone bananabrush.
You can also get little xylitolwipes.
We just mostly are trying todesensitize your child into
having people in their mouth.
Okay, so you take an existingroutine that you do and add a
new habit to it.
So we're changing diapers everymorning and night anyway, why
not just do a quick littledo-do-do with the silicone brush

(47:55):
and on your way, Once teethstart to come in, if they touch,
then you can add a little flossDick, dick, dick.
This takes seconds.
But also the child's layingback.
And so you know, dentists laypatients back.
Why do we do that?
It's not to torture you,although it seems like we are.
It's so easy.
If I look down into a patient'smouth, I can see what I'm doing

(48:16):
.
I can see all their teeth.
I can move their lips andcheeks around.
I'm looking in their eyes.
It can be very engaging.
I can sing to them.
I can do the ABCs, you know, asopposed to like coming at
someone like bam, like you knowor like like headlocking them
and going like it's reallyaggressive.
If you can't see what you'redoing, you're probably going to
hurt your child a little bit,and they're not going to leave

(48:37):
you.
Try laying your kids back, andthis includes as they age.

Speaker 2 (48:42):
I love to lay the kids back.

Speaker 1 (48:43):
You can see what you're doing.
Some parents get headlamps.
I mean, I know it seemsexcessive, but you have to trust
me, the best dentistry is nodentistry.
You do not want your kidsgetting cavities because it's
really hard to deal with themwhen they're little.
That means anesthesia,sometimes there's sedation.
And then you mentioned earlier,well, why Baby teeth fall out.
Not a big deal.
Well, we have baby teeth untilwe're 12 or 13.

(49:07):
So if cavities start developingand I need to remind people,
cavities are the number onechronic disease in children
globally.
So, while this may seem likewhat is she talking about?
No one gets cavities.
I'm telling you right now,everyone gets cavities.
We see so many cavities I can'tkeep up with it.
And it doesn't matter gender,socioeconomic status, education

(49:27):
level, it doesn't matter.
It is a universal issue.
So hygiene does matter.
Now, it's not as important aswhat we're eating.
So if your kid isn't consuminga lot of ultra process foods
chips, crackers, granola bars,fruit snacks, dried fruit melts,
all that stuff they're gonna bea lower cavity risk.

(49:49):
If they're eating mostly meatsand cheese and nuts and seeds
and veggies and fruits andolives and pickles, eggs,
they're not gonna get cavitiesfrom that stuff.
It's the process food, it's thethings that come out of
packages, so a lot of us thinkit's soda and candy bars.
I want you to think of it asit's actually flour, and also
all these additives andflavorings and things.

(50:09):
What are they doing to our oralmicrobiome?
They're not supporting ourbeneficial bacteria.
They really can affect a lot,like just all the additives.

Speaker 2 (50:19):
They're feeding all the bad guys who chip away.

Speaker 1 (50:22):
That's just shifting it.
It's creating like a chemicalimbalance or pH imbalance.
A lot of these process foodsthey act very acidic in the
mouth.
So it's just things to thinkabout.
But I really do love flossing.
Most cavities that we see arebetween kids back molars, and so
around the age of like two anda half, I would love you

(50:44):
flossing.
And parents look at me like I'minsane, cause how are you gonna
floss to two and a half yearold's teeth but flash forward,
if you had been playing with itkind of all along since infancy
babies, you know it's not a hugedeal and then reintroduce it.
Okay, so we didn't do that.
So now my child's like three.
How do I floss her teeth?
Try to make it fun, lay themback, sing a song, have an award

(51:07):
chart, have your dentist tellthem why it's so important.
I have a trick.
I'm gonna try to have peoplevisualize this.
But if you take your toothbrushand I had mentioned a silicone
brush once molars come in, Ireally do like us moving to a
smaller head, soft, realtoothbrush and using a little

(51:28):
bit of toothpaste, and we canget to a toothpaste later.
But you have your toothbrush,put it on the side of the mouth,
so it acts like a little mouthprop, I guess, and so it's
keeping your child open.
Then you have your little flossstick and you can sneak in and
go doot, doot, doot Floss stick,not the floss in your fingers.

(51:48):
Forget it, you'll get that yeahokay, great.
The other thing that worksreally well, and so it's the
four corners.
You wanna hit the molars Like Ithink flossing is more
important than brushing.
I want everyone to start theiroral routine at night with
flossing.
If teeth touch, okay.
So again, that's usually twoand a half or three, because
that's where I see cavities.
Almost 100% of the time wedon't see them in the mouth,

(52:09):
it's not until we take X-rays.
They're in between and that'sbecause the bad bacteria love to
hang out in there.
Because it has low oxygen.
So the bad bacteria hidebetween the teeth.
You're chomping your goldfishcrackers.
That gets pushed down inbetween.
You're never flossing and theyjust thrive.

Speaker 2 (52:26):
Thrive, yep what.

Speaker 1 (52:29):
When you're flossing and brushing.
It's not about removing food,that's important.
Really, what you're doing,you're disrupting the biofilm.
You're disrupting the badbacteria.
You don't want them to stick toyour tooth for too long.
You wanna shake them off, andthen they come back again and
you shake them off.
You have to do it every day,depending on what you're eating.

Speaker 2 (52:50):
Oh my God, I'm learning a lot about my kids,
but also learning a lot about myown oral health.

Speaker 1 (52:55):
Yeah, flossing, I can't.
If you are an adult, you shouldbe flossing every day if you
want to have optimal brainhealth.

Speaker 2 (53:01):
Don't you sell floss.

Speaker 1 (53:03):
I am working on it.
I have the patents pending.
I haven't gone to manufacturingyet because it's a custom made
floss pick.
It's made of post-consumer,recycled paper which, weirdly,
has never occurred before onPlanet Earth.
But now I know why because themanufacturing is really
expensive.
So we are trying to secure thepatent, which will help me get

(53:26):
investors to do that.
But the patent bureau is a bitbacked up because hashtag
government agency.

Speaker 2 (53:32):
Yeah, I've heard it takes years for patents to.

Speaker 1 (53:36):
Then it has been five years.
Oh my gosh.
I guess maybe four years, but Ithink we're very close.

Speaker 2 (53:47):
And you're committed to this.
Like what about bamboo?

Speaker 1 (53:50):
I'm so deep in it, I mean I have to finish it.
Yeah, I guess.

Speaker 2 (53:54):
You're like I don't know how far the finish line is.
We might be a day away, wemight be five years, but I'm
gonna keep going to the thing ofthe day.

Speaker 1 (54:00):
Literally, I'm running like this weird ultra
marathon thing that never ends,or maybe it does, I don't know.
I don't know the route, butanyway, yeah, so lay your kids
back.
My other rule is I like parentshelping kids with their teeth
at night.
I just want to tell my parentsI patients and I actually did
this post on my feet.

(54:21):
Yeah.
This is my rule and I say thisfrom clinical experience Again,
my whole thing is no dentistryis the best dentistry for your
kids.
So I say you know, my rule isuntil you turn 10, you need a
grown up to help you with yourteeth at night flossing and
brushing but you could do it onyour own in the morning.
And it's just because kids do aterrible job.

(54:43):
They just do.
They don't have dexterity, theydon't have focus or attention,
you don't know what they'redoing.
This is annoying to them.
So you do the best you can.
I have a word chart on myoffice website that can really
help motivate kids.
You know, your daughter, is ityour daughter three?

Speaker 2 (55:00):
Mm-hmm.
Three and a half.

Speaker 1 (55:01):
Yeah, so you know she's starting to get into that
award chart.

Speaker 2 (55:05):
Totally.
She's the first born throughand through.

Speaker 1 (55:08):
Yeah, yeah, yeah right.
So it really can work, becausethis is also establishing good
habits and we know good habitsstart in childhood.
So if we double down on oralhygiene and flossing now, she
hopefully is a teenager and anadult that just has really
remarkable oral hygiene, doesn'teven think about it.
She's like a great flosser andbrusher.

(55:29):
And you know it's all aboutprevention because this is what
you do.
It's just like I wash myshampoo and condition my hair
and I wash my face and you knowit's.
Try to think of it like that.

Speaker 2 (55:40):
All right, we're gonna take a brief break to talk
about my flip book.
This came when I felt likepostpartum was just a gnarly
experience, and Iretrospectively looked back at
it and feel like a lot of itcame from social media.
It came from the insane amountof information coming in.
It came from a little bit ofisolation well, a lot of

(56:00):
isolation and so I wanted tocreate a thought prompt flip
book.
So this sits on in your nursery,it sits in your closet in the
morning, it sits in yourbathroom, it sits wherever you
want, and every day you can flipit, or multiple times a day you
can flip it, and it gives youthought prompts that I created
to help you get throughmotherhood in a positive way.

(56:21):
So it asks questions like whatare things that I like about my
spouse that I am grateful forthat they do?
What is a challenge I'veexperienced that has made me
better?
Who are people that I have tolean on and just like so,
instead of scrolling your phonewhen you're nursing your baby to
sleep, or scrolling your phonewhen you're pumping, or
scrolling your phone when you goto sleep, instead you flip one

(56:43):
of these thought prompts and youthink and it's just so magical.
What can happen when you putyour phone down and you just do
nothing.
But that's hard.
So I wanted to have a thoughtprompt to think on, to get your
mind in a positive place.
If this sounds like somethingyou're interested in, you can go
to hayshilacom slash shop andyou will find it there.

(57:05):
Let's get back to the show.

Speaker 1 (57:06):
What works really well, I think, is to do a lot of
this in the bedroom.
So I have a bowl it's a metalbowl in case it knocks over, so
it doesn't shatter filled withflasks, and unfortunately I do
use the plastic ones.
I will say bioplastic is kindof a waste of your money.
Most bioplastic it still hasplastic in it and most of them

(57:30):
are made with cane, sugar orcorn, which are not great crops
for our environment.
So I'll just say that so usethe plastic ones, spend more
money and use the bioplastic,but it's not much better for
your environment.
You can rinse them and reusethem.
So just like you don't throwyour toothbrush away every night
, you don't have to throw yourfloss your way every night, just
clean it, reuse it.
But I keep it in the bedroom andwe do a lot of our flossing or

(57:55):
routine rate as we're readingstories at night.
So and what I'll do is I'llthrow my kids on the bed or I'll
like lay them back in my armsso they're laying back, you know
, and so I can see in theirmouth, and we'll do it.
And what I used to do is I'dstart reading their book and I
say, okay, we need to brush andfloss our teeth and the faster
we do this, the more book we getto read.
And I just think it's aboutconsistency and you're gonna

(58:18):
have bad nights and they'regonna flail and get mad.
Some parents are like I don'twanna create dental trauma.
I will tell you so.
I've been a dentist for almost20 years.
I've never met an adult whoremembers their parents brushing
their teeth and holds on tothis deep rooted trauma from it.
But I've met thousands, tens ofthousands of patients who have

(58:41):
dental phobia and trauma fromdentists fixing their teeth, and
it almost all comes fromchildhood.
So just try to remember that.
It's just like a lot of kidshate their car seat, a lot of
kids hate their faces wiped ortheir hair washed.
We still do that.
And we need to think of oralhygiene like that too, and it
doesn't need to be aggressiveand long and drawn out, but we

(59:03):
need to do it and consistency iskey.
And the more you do it and themore you make sure your child
knows this is something we do,they're gonna adapt and they're
gonna be more accepting of it.
I promise you they really will.

Speaker 2 (59:15):
So for as far as cleaning their teeth, you're
saying the silicone fingerbrushes are a good way to start.
Then moving to a small softhead, do you like the buzzy ones
?

Speaker 1 (59:27):
I do like electric toothbrushes yes, I honestly
introduce those to my kids whenthey were around like 15 months
old or so.
I think most of them say don'tuse under three.
That's just a CYA thing thatthey do.
There's no data behind that.

Speaker 2 (59:42):
I use it for both of mine, yeah.

Speaker 1 (59:44):
Yeah, totally so.
The Gobi brush is great andQuip is really great when
they're young to get them usedto bump the bumpiness.
I am a big Phillips Sonicarefan.
I think Sonicare's the best andI would say you could introduce
that around three.
The thing is a lot of kids.
If you just throw it in there,it's very stimulating.

(01:00:05):
It can be tickly and it can betoo much.
So you kind of want to do maybetraining wheels and use like a
Quip or a little Gobi.

Speaker 2 (01:00:12):
Yeah, do they have smaller ones?

Speaker 1 (01:00:15):
Yeah, they make kid ones.

Speaker 2 (01:00:16):
Okay, yeah, I was like I can just share a head
swap heads with my daughter, butthe whole thing could be so big
for her.

Speaker 1 (01:00:23):
I would just get a smaller head.
Yeah, they have them.
You can find them on Amazon orwhatever.

Speaker 2 (01:00:27):
Okay, yeah, sweet, and then toothpaste.

Speaker 1 (01:00:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:00:33):
I know it's kind of a I'm talking about it.
What do we look for?

Speaker 1 (01:00:41):
So I am a big fan of hydroxyapatite toothpaste.
So, as a functional dentist, Iwant to be using materials that
are very biomimetic, the mostsimilar to the body as possible.
We don't have any fluoride inour body or in our teeth,

(01:01:02):
naturally, so I personally havesome concerns with fluoride,
especially in our water system,because it is defined as a
neurotoxin and there are somevery concerning studies that are
out about how it can affectbrain development in kids,
specifically systemically fromwater.
Right, but for me, because it'sthe data is so concerning and

(01:01:27):
there's actually never been aproper safety study showing that
it is actually safe to usefluoride, believe it or not, I
have a really hard time lookingat a parent and saying we need,
you have to use fluorideabsolutely because I'm worried
about their brain development.

Speaker 2 (01:01:47):
What would the opposition say?
Why do people say you needfluoride?

Speaker 1 (01:01:51):
Because they say it's totally safe and it works in
reducing the cavity risk.
But I would argue the data nowis showing that fluoride
actually isn't all it's crackedup to be.
It's not reducing cavities likethey claim.
The latest study shows that itreally reduces maybe one surface
cavity per child who uses it,which is not a big deal.

(01:02:14):
Cavities are still the numberone global epidemic, even with
patients that use it.
I mean, I see so many patientsusing fluoride toothpaste,
fluoride rinses duringprescriptions, they're on
fluoride water and their teethare still decayed.
Because you can't compete withprocessed food, right, nothing's

(01:02:35):
gonna compete with diet Nothing.
So I think there's a time andplace for it, I suppose, on if
patients don't have access tohydroxyapatite and
hydroxyapatite is a littleexpensive.
So I would just say and it isnow, I hope the price comes down
but basically, hydroxyapatiteis calcium and phosphorus.
It's within your enamel.
Already, 97% of your enamel iscalcium and phosphorus

(01:02:57):
hydroxyapatite particles.
70% of your bone ishydroxyapatite.
So this is bio-limetic.
It has been approved by theSCCS in Europe, which is like
the FDA there.
We know Europe is extremelystrict.
There's this internet rumorsaying it was banned in Europe.
That is 100% fault and it'sdriving me bonkers that be, yeah

(01:03:20):
, because they officiallyapproved it.
they took almost 10 yearsreviewing the data, reading the
systematic reviews andperforming their own research
and they came out with a finalposition saying it's totally
safe because it's calcium, it'sminerals, it's calcium and
phosphorus.

Speaker 2 (01:03:36):
Did they ever do that with fluorine?

Speaker 1 (01:03:37):
No, no, they did not.

Speaker 2 (01:03:39):
Why Well?

Speaker 1 (01:03:43):
fluoride was introduced into the water system
in the 1940s and it was beforeevidence-based medicine and it
was put in there based onobservation, which now would
never happen.
Correlation is not causation,right, so they're actually is
the national tax toxicologyreport that was released.
We're gonna, we're digging deephere now.
So there is a federal lawsuitthat's been going on since 2020.

(01:04:06):
It's the people versus the EPA.
It's out of San Francisco.
The judge, hopefully, is rulingthis March and he last year has
been trying to get thistoxicology report from the
Department of Health and HumanServices.
It has been under lock and keyfor six years.
I think they won't release it.
So under the Freedom ofInformation Act, he mandated

(01:04:29):
that be released and they made astatement based on their
research, just as the UnitedStates Health and Human Services
National Taxicology report onwater fluoridation.
Their final statement wasthere's no safe amount of
fluoride in our water.
The, the American DentalAssociation and all these super

(01:04:52):
pro water fluoridation groupswent bonkers and then two weeks
later, weirdly, the NTP cameback and said well, maybe we
need more research.
I'm not a conspiracy theorist.
You can interpret that as youwant, but the judge has the
original statement.

(01:05:12):
He's also been having experttestimonials from
epidemiologists, biochemists,neuroscientists, you know,
endocrinologists.
He basically was like dentalcommunity.
I don't want to hear from you.
I get it.
You, dennis, love fluorideright.
Message received.
I want to know what it's doingbeyond the teeth right you think

(01:05:34):
it makes teeth stronger,prevents cavities.
What is it doing to brains andthyroid and bones and all of
this?
And I've been obsessed withthis trial, I know a lot about
it.
I would argue it doesn't lookgood for water fluoridation in
our country.
We are one of the lastcountries to still Florida our
water.
Most other countries have hadit removed years ago.

(01:05:57):
97% of the global world is notfluoridated.
So we'll see.
I don't know he might man, hemight rule to take it out of our
water system which, from abrain development standpoint, I
hope you know it's.
It's a neurotoxin and, if thescience is really totally but
it's concerning I can fix akid's tooth.

(01:06:20):
I can do that.
I cannot fix the brain right weonly have one chance at brain
development.
So again, I can't look at aparent in the eye and say,
absolutely, it's totally safe,you know.
And the thing is you're like,okay, well, what about topical?
What about toothpaste andrinses and all these things?
Okay, fair.
But you are swallowing it andit's, it's absorbed through the

(01:06:42):
mucosa and it can be cumulative.
And that's where we do any moreresearch, like what is it doing
?
What is topical safe or not?
And it probably is.
But if there's a betteralternative out there, literally
droxy appetite that the scienceis showing works as well.
And now there's data showing itactually outperforms and it's

(01:07:04):
safe to swallow.
You know it's biomemetic.

Speaker 2 (01:07:06):
Yes we have it, and alia was like just squeezing it
into her mouth yeah, and.
I was like girl, let's not eatthe toothpaste.
So I was reading her thedirections, because directions
on toothpaste always says don'tswallow the freaking bottle says
it's, it's rise well, and itsays yeah, yeah, it's safe, safe
enough to eat, but don't.

(01:07:27):
Because that's weird.
It says that on the thing and Iwas like I can't let us all out
to you because then you'regonna just keep eating this food
yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, totally.

Speaker 1 (01:07:35):
They love it because these like vanilla cupcakes.
Yeah, yeah, I mean, fluoridehas a poison control label on it
.
You're supposed to call poisoncontrol if they eat the bottle
of toothpaste okay.

Speaker 2 (01:07:49):
So yeah, I have.
I take the fluoride out of mywater.
I don't use fluoride toothpaste.
But then we're at the dentist.
They're like, oh, do you wantto do the floor on teeth?

Speaker 1 (01:07:57):
and I'm like that I don't know sure it's fine to see
, sure, I think, but honestly so.
The other thing that you needto know about fluoride varnish
and I have a post coming outthis soon I've been reading the
MSDS reports, the safety datasheets on fluoride varnish,
which you would think oh, you'rea dentist, you should know that
.
Nope, never read it, nevertaught it in school.

(01:08:18):
I mean, I've been doing.
I read this a couple years agobecause I'm working on something
winged winged but I'm, there'san hexane in it, there's shellac
in it, there's polyurethane inthe varnish, there's ethanol,
which is basically alcohol, andthen you read the MSDS is in

(01:08:39):
your like what level of concernare these?
And you know it will grade itone, two, three, four, four is
like really toxic and dangerous.
A lot of those ingredients arethrees or fours and it will say
things in it like don't swallow,don't touch on skin, you know,
and it's like what are we?
So it's like the fluoride isthe least concerning thing of
some of these varnishes.

(01:09:00):
You know how they're so stickyyeah, what thinking it's sticky
shellac, what?
yeah, I know it's wild, it'swild and also wild the data I
mean.
Here's the thing do you go intothe dentist twice a year and
having a cleaning and havingfluoride, it's not moving the
needle, it's right you do everyday at home, so I think you can

(01:09:23):
say no, I have never put it onmy kids yeah, because.
I don't even think it's doinganything, and a lot of those are
very acidic.
The varnishes are acidic, soit's kind of you know it's
altering your microbiome too, soyou'll get some flak, I do.
You know, it's unfortunate.
I wish I think younger dentistsare being more accepting of

(01:09:45):
patients just saying you know,I'm good, thank you.
We choose not to use fluorideyeah but you just double down on
your flossing and brushing andyour diet and hydration and your
nasal breathing at home andyour kids will be healthy.
I mean yeah, not supposed to getcavities, that's.
This is not in your destiny.

Speaker 2 (01:10:03):
I feel like that's the biggest takeaway and it was.
I mean, if I hadn't beenfollowing you it'd be shocking,
but I've been following you, soI kind of know this.
But just like getting them thewhole foods to help with their
structures of their faces, thatjust cascades into everything
else yeah, yeah, think of itlike help starts in the mouth.

Speaker 1 (01:10:24):
It really does right.
It's the gateway to the body,is our mouth cool that sounds
really self-important, but it's,yeah, it is true.

Speaker 2 (01:10:36):
Well, I mean yeah, I mean your dentist, but I feel
like nutritionists would say thesame thing or whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:10:41):
It's just that's where you're entering things
into your body yeah, I mean,there's that saying like each
bite of food you take is towardshealth or illness, or I?
Think it's true, I think it'snot to become food obsessed, but
you know, when I sit down forme, all I think you know, is
this nourishing me or is thislike a fun food?

(01:11:03):
And I know I'm doing this, justI know, that's what I'm trying
to teach you, I don't need it.
Yeah, exactly, and sometimesthat's acceptable totally
acceptable, but you just have tofind the balance of it you know
I'm not a big purist orextremist yeah with fluoride and
like, even like lead and stuff.
I mean, here's the thing.

(01:11:23):
We're exposed to these thingsevery day.
It's in our soil, it's in ourair, it's in our food.
But you, you know our bodiesare pretty incredible, but you
just want to minimizeunnecessary exposure.
So I see so much anxiety andstress yes, yes over information

(01:11:43):
and then trying to be purists,and I think it's unrealistic.
You've got to let some stuff goand and you're?
You just do the best you can,but you focus on the low hanging
fruit right filter your water.
That's a really good one.
It's not only for fluoride,it's the chlorine and the
bromine, and you know that's agreat one.

Speaker 2 (01:12:04):
Clean water is foundational yeah, and I really
need sleeping is foundationalyeah, that one I need to work on
.
I think I need to think aboutit, but it but I.
I think you're right, though.
I think, because, like, mywhole thing is like, oh, granola
moms or whatever and I know alot of people who do and I'm
like, the anxiety and stress andcortisol that you are

(01:12:26):
experiencing is way worse thanletting your kids have a 100%
whatever.
So it's, I think you're apercent.

Speaker 1 (01:12:35):
Yeah, kids, okay, like I'm pretty strict, but not
I mean compared to otherfamilies.
Yes, but they still get thisstuff.
They do.
They have soccer practice andthey're eating.
I see them sucking down highseas and rage and I'm like, yeah
, but I do it.
Yes, because I also know oneexposure isn't what we're

(01:12:55):
talking about.
We're talking about daily use.
It's like deodorant, aluminumdeodorant you know, you use it
once or twice, you use it ahundred times, you're probably
fine.
It's the decade after decadeafter right day after day like
right.

Speaker 2 (01:13:12):
But that's the cool thing about, as moms, making a
few of these changes, becausethese changes are gonna be the
standard for our kids.
Yeah, so they're gonna go oh, Idon't know, I always use no
fluoride, I'm a toothpaste andgrab it in college.
Or like they're gonna bring thefiltered water bottle of
college or there and like thatis the difference that you're
making.

(01:13:32):
You're the exactly the decadesof difference instead of the
high sea at prices yeah, I mean,I'm literally like I'm gonna go
for a walk, I'm just gonna walkthis one off.
I'll be right back.

Speaker 1 (01:13:43):
I'm eating Oreos right now, oh my god.
But like that's also likethey're.
My kids are a little older,they're girls, they're eight and
ten.
I'm telling you, they're socialstuff too, like they don't want
to be the weird kid that I comeover and I'm like no, excuse me
, no, you cannot have those andthen the moms get weird and it's

(01:14:04):
just like all right, cool yeaheat Oreos, get a stomach ache
later, talk about it, and thenwe're gonna make sure we really
floss and brush later.
And and then what's?
What's cool though, because Ididn't I don't bring those foods
into my home.
Generally, when they do getthem at birthday parties or
soccer, their bodies don't reactwell to it.

(01:14:26):
They literally will come homeand be like, oh, I don't feel
very good.
I'm like, oh, that's sointeresting.
Could it be the Doritos and theOritos that you had?
And this is helping themself-manage their bodies.
I want them to learn to listento their bodies and not have me
harping at them about stuff.
That's really hard for teaching.

Speaker 2 (01:14:47):
And that's why it's hard, because I'm trying to
teach Aliyah this superhero badguy thing and I'm like sugars
feed the bad guys.
And I'm like, but you know what?
A little bit of sugar doesn't.
I don't want her to think thatsugar or she can't have sweets
or get this complex about badfoods and have it be a thing.
I'm like it's good to enjoythese things because they're
yummy, but we don't want to eattoo many because then the bad

(01:15:10):
guys.
So she'll literally hand me hersucker halfway through and
she's like mom, is that okay?
And I'm like are you finished?
Cool, yeah, Did you love it?

Speaker 1 (01:15:18):
That's cool and my kids did that too, and I didn't
teach them that that's innate,because they're listening to
their bodies.
It will be like it's too sweet.
I'm done, that's super cool.
That's like when you have thepiece of cake because you just
want to be social and enjoy thatfamily gathering together and
it does taste good and then atsome point you're like whoa,
okay, that's good Totally.

(01:15:39):
You know, I think it'simportant and I have girls and
so I do worry about like eatingdisorders and things like just.

Speaker 2 (01:15:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:15:47):
And while I do think there are foods that I mean
whether you like the word, goodor bad or whatever I do think
there are some foods that arelike really not foods, or like
franken foods 100%.
And that bums me out.
You know they're there, they'rethere in our world and we have
to learn how to manage that.
And again, that goes forfluoride.

(01:16:08):
And I just see I see theseextremists with lead and stuff,
like all of it, like they'relike testing everything in their
house with these monitors, like, look, my computer mouse has
traced amounts of lead in it andit like the amount of
sensational anxiety that that iscreating for those moms and
moms because I believe we arefoundational for the health of

(01:16:31):
our family.
If you have all this anxiety andstress and, as you mentioned,
cortisol and neuroses, really islike it just spirals right,
yeah.
And that is going to now makeyour kids anxious and probably
become socially isolated becausetotally even go out or touch
anything or I can't live in thishouse and like it's just such a

(01:16:54):
bummer.
And that's why I reallyencourage people to follow
accounts on these social mediaplatforms that make them feel
informed.
But good, so much fearmongering and click bait and I
get so many questions.
Like you know someone so sadthat this toothbrush head.
It comes from India and itmight have traced amounts of

(01:17:15):
cadmium in it, and you know it'slike what I don't know yeah.
You can't go to that level.
I just don't think it's helping.

Speaker 2 (01:17:24):
No, I agree.
Yeah, that was a lot.
Yeah, that was a lot.
That was great, though.
I loved it, thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:17:34):
Yeah, thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:17:36):
No, I appreciate you.
Thank you so much for being onthe panel.
So does anybody.

Speaker 1 (01:17:39):
When will this go on?

Speaker 2 (01:17:41):
Uh, wait, let's do a wrap up.
Let's do a thank you.
Thank you, I don't know whenit's going to go on.
It depends on what I can, can I?

Speaker 1 (01:17:47):
say can I say I, because you'll edit this out,
maybe Sorry about that.
I was going to say that I havean announcement.

Speaker 2 (01:17:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:17:54):
But it's not till December 15th.

Speaker 2 (01:17:56):
Oh wait, for sure We'll be after that.
Oh great, yeah, so let's justannounce it.
Okay, sure, to start talking.
Yes, well, you have somethingvery exciting to share as well,
right I?

Speaker 1 (01:18:07):
do I do so?
Speaking of toothpaste, yes,drum roll please.
So I jumped on Instagram backin 2020 during COVID and I was
mandated to be closed I couldn'tbe a dentist for three months
because of the state of Oregon,sorry and on there I met this
wonderful human, dr Mark Brejena, who has the acid and his

(01:18:29):
platform that I mentioned, andwe always get asked about oral
health care products andtoothpaste and, like we had some
, we suggested you know the oneyour daughter uses, the one I
use but we never were totallyhappy with the ingredient list,
because a lot of them still hademulsifiers and surfactants
which disrupt the oralmicrobiome and, even though they

(01:18:49):
were more natural versions,they still can cause some
disruption, or they had reallyhigh, excessive essential oils
which can disrupt the oralmicrobiome.
So he and I one day we're justchatting on the phone he's a
mentor of mine, but we've becomevery good friends we were like
why don't we just make atoothpaste?
And so, two years ago, westarted that process.

Speaker 2 (01:19:13):
Two years.

Speaker 1 (01:19:15):
It's taken forever, and here's why we made a
toothpaste where we wanted totake things out of it, and that
was really hard.
So we wanted to take thefoaming and the burning and the
additives and all of that and itwas really hard to create.
There's a reason, I think, itreally hasn't happened the way
it has before.

(01:19:35):
So we have a toothpaste comingout and it does have
hydroxyapatite, which of coursewe're huge fans of, but that's
not really what differentiatesus.
Our differentiator is that weare oral microbiome supportive
and it's called FIG F-Y-G-G,which stands for Feed your Good

(01:19:56):
Guys.

Speaker 2 (01:19:57):
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 1 (01:19:58):
I love it.
And it has prebiotics and aminoacids that help have been shown
in the data to supportbeneficial bacteria growth, so
it's really like a toothpastethat is like a supplement for
your oral microbiome too.

Speaker 2 (01:20:14):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:20:14):
And it tastes delicious, and we're getting EWG
certified and blah, blah blah.
That's happening and we allhope it's successful, and we
have all these other ideas forexpanding the product line.

Speaker 2 (01:20:29):
but there's a lot of flavors.

Speaker 1 (01:20:31):
There's kid flavors, we have toothbrushes, we have
tongue scrapers.

Speaker 2 (01:20:36):
So where can people go to get it?

Speaker 1 (01:20:38):
FIGcom, f-y-g-gcom.
And yeah, we're also onInstagram FIG Oral Health.

Speaker 2 (01:20:46):
I think Pretty sure It'll all be in the show notes.
That's so exciting, I'm socongratulations, thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:20:55):
Yeah, so it's a strategic consumer right now and
we'll just see how it goes, butwe'd love everyone to try it.

Speaker 2 (01:21:00):
Oh my gosh, so cool, exciting.
Thank you, thank you.
Well, thank you for being on.
Just in general, this wasincredibly eye-opening and
jaw-opening in all of the things.
I learned a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:21:14):
It's like one more.
I'm sorry, I hope it didn'tcreate anxiety or stress.
It's like, oh my gosh, one morething speaking of all these
things.
But here's the thing I'm hereto support you don't stress.
The whole idea is this earlyidentification of issues and we
make slow changes.
And so hit me up on Instagram.
On the IG, I do try to answerall my DMs as best I can.

(01:21:35):
I don't always, but I reallytry to, and then I do Q&As a lot
too.
So just keep harassing me If Idon't answer.
Keep messaging me.
I'd like to be like oh, thispoor person is messing with my
times.
I need to answer it.

Speaker 2 (01:21:49):
And it's doctor underscore Stacy with an eye.
Yep, amazing, all right, thankyou so much.

Speaker 1 (01:21:55):
Thank you Super fun.
I appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (01:21:59):
All right.
Thank you guys so much forlistening.
If you enjoyed it, please sharewith somebody you think would
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Just connect with you a littlebetter.
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