Diving into Prometheus and Alien Lore with High n' Dry

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What if your presence could change the fate of the "Prometheus" crew? In this electrifying episode of the High and Dry Podcast, we beat the San Diego heat with some boogie boarding and nostalgic chats about the animated classic "Home Movies," brought to life by Brendon Small and H. Jon Benjamin. We also zero in on how humor ages, spotlighting Trevor Noah's self-deprecating wit as a timeless example. Personal updates abound: Ryan narrowly escapes a stress migraine, Luke recharges with a movie outing, and James battles the coastal heat sans air conditioning.

Feel the thrill as we dissect Ridley Scott's "Prometheus" using our unique three-part method. From discussing our choice blends of smokes and drinks to analyzing societal notions of masculinity portrayed in media, our conversation is anything but dry. We evaluate the film within the context of the "Alien" franchise, comparing its impact on audiences from different eras. Luke shares his experience of watching "Prometheus" as his gateway into the "Alien" series, sparking a lively discussion on storytelling and character evolution.

The episode crescendos with an exploration of "Prometheus" themes, from the perils of curiosity to the quest for meaning. We muse on the film's technological predictions and the potential risks of advanced AI. Imagining ourselves in the movie, we humorously ponder how our actions might alter the narrative, and critique the characters' often questionable decisions. Finally, we toast Ridley Scott, lauding his cinematic legacy while offering candid thoughts on his recent works. Don't miss this episode for a fresh, entertaining perspective on a sci-fi classic!

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I think what's going to happen is I'm just going to
go down to the fucking waterbecause it's free, I'm going to
take my boogie board and I'mgoing to fucking boogie some
goddamn waves, as you should.
That's what I would do to cooldown to that.
San Diego heat Agreed.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
Agreed, that sounds like a wonderful plan.
And hey everybody, welcome toHigh and Dry Podcast, the only
podcast that is celebratingmovies, um, and keeping that
fandom alive.

Speaker 1 (00:28):
Remember home movies, brandon spall is that I have no
idea about the creators, but Iremember the product yeah, he
was, uh, he.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
So he eventually went on to do like death clock and
he still performs with them andall that kind of stuff, but home
movies with, and I think whatJohn H Benjamin was the coach in
that one.

Speaker 1 (00:49):
Oh, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (00:50):
He a hundred percent was yeah, yeah, no, it was a.
I thought it was a decent show,but anyway, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (00:56):
It launched careers yeah it did, it did.

Speaker 2 (01:06):
I don't know how it like aged, but I don't feel like
they ever really went wild withit.
I don't think anything?

Speaker 1 (01:09):
uh no, there's, it's.
It's very rarely that somecomedy age as well, that's true,
it's pretty fucking rare.
Yeah, comedy's always tiptoeingthat line.
So you know, even even in fiveto 20 years, the comedy from
today will be like oh god, yeah,let me tell you a trevor noah

(01:29):
joke that, I think, is the totalthat defies that, because
that's the thing that getsbrought up.
A lot is that, like all comedyages poorly.
All right you, it tries to beedgy, but this is one that
trevor noah wrote.
It was did you know that mostanimals are really only like two
or three years old?

(01:50):
So I guess that means I'm apervert in two kinds of ways,
which is it's an excellent,self-deprecating joke that is
edgy and doesn't age poorlybecause it's not attacking
anybody, right?
I would agree, I would agree, Iwould agree.
I feel like if it always willage decently well, as long as

(02:10):
you're kind of putting it ontoyourself, if it's all right
yourself, no one's really.

Speaker 2 (02:15):
Even 20 years from now they're gonna be like yeah,
I mean, he's just talking abouthimself, but if it's once you
start going to other people,where we'll reach a point where,
you know, like corvids, likecrows and the octopi, we managed
to give them human sentienceand at that point I think that
was a little insensitive, um,like calling them out for their

(02:35):
short lifespans and, you know,raping them because they're
obviously underage at this point.

Speaker 1 (02:41):
So well, that was the joke.
It was pedophiles, not atanimals anyway.

Speaker 2 (02:49):
So, uh, hey, out there my thick kings.
I'm ryan, ryan, baron north,with me as always, james cross
and luke.
Um guys, how you doing doinggood.

Speaker 1 (02:59):
I'm, I'm, uh, I just went, went to the movies today,
um, which is always a good time,so, uh, I'm doing good today,
feeling high energy Very nice,very nice.

Speaker 2 (03:08):
And James, I know, you feel the same?

Speaker 1 (03:12):
I'm feeling low energy.
It's really hot here.
My apartment doesn't have airconditioning because someone
decided that air conditioningwasn't a necessity.
When you're this close to thecoast, they're an asshole.

Speaker 2 (03:30):
I'm sorry to hear that.
I myself, uh, just I think Idodged it, but I started
experiencing a stress migraineand but I think I dodged it I
shot some caffeine into me.
The broken TV screen haze on myvision has gone away and I
don't feel any extreme pain.
So I think I think I'm doingall right.

(03:51):
So I'm excited to get into this.
So, for those of you joining usthe first time, this is how we
do it.
We're going to tackle todayPrometheus, ridley Scott, the
alien prequel.
We're going to do it in a threepart method.
First, we're going to justtackle it.
We're going to give you arating on what we think of this
film.
Then we're going to get on thegolden path and do some more

(04:14):
in-depth exploration of the filmand finally, we're going to do
a what if, where we insertourselves into the film.
And what makes it so special,unique, magical and fun is that
we're going to do it drunk andor high.
So that being the case, james,uh, what are you smoking this
week?

Speaker 1 (04:31):
I don't know.
I just had some loose weed andI put it in my thing.
I'm too, I'm too fucking hot tothink about these small details
just some loose weed.
Okay, very nice, just a handfulof stuff I found it in a bag in
the basement.
It'll be good.
It'll be good.

(04:51):
I I don't know what got ground,just oregano it could be.
Who knows?
Uh, luke, how about yourself?
Uh, I have vanilla wafers in iswhat I'm smoking today.
So, um, which I've never hadbefore.
In all honesty, strain tostrain, I don't notice big

(05:12):
differences, apart from you know, some taste a little more
earthy and some more citrusy,but we'll see how this one
tastes.
It's kind of it's a new one forme.

Speaker 2 (05:19):
All right, fantastic and I will be joining you guys
today I almost said on this daywith Maker's Mark Cask.
Strength it's 113.2 horsepower.
Very specific, yeah, they gotit down to a decimal point on

(05:40):
that one.
So we're going to see here it'sbatch 2401.
So let's load them up.

Speaker 1 (05:46):
Maker's mark is always a reliable um.
In my opinion, yeah, it's asolid staple they're not gonna
let you down.

Speaker 2 (05:55):
I just realized I don't have my shot glass, so I'm
gonna be taking it out of thislittle measuring implement.
So, uh yeah, this one goes outto our film Prometheus.
Prometheus Cheers.
A lot of notes in there.
This is one of those cigarhumidor tasting ones.

Speaker 1 (06:20):
Like you just should have a cigar in your hand.
Is what you're saying?

Speaker 2 (06:23):
Or it tastes like a liquefied cigar.

Speaker 1 (06:24):
Yes, it's like you just should have a cigar in your
hand is what you're saying.

Speaker 2 (06:26):
Or it tastes like a liquefied cigar, yes, it's like
a, like you, or you just crackedthe door of a cigar humidor and
just sucked its essence intoyour, into your throat yeah,
you're I, I, I feel likesometimes with the smoky flavor
they, uh, they'll go a littletoo far, um, and then you're
like I only taste smoke in this,without a doubt, but this one

(06:47):
was nice.
I mean it's 113 horsepower.
It cost me 40-something bucks,yeah that's not too bad, yeah, I
think it was all right Gettingsomething a little special, and
I'm happy with it.

Speaker 1 (06:57):
That's something I like about Maker's Mark too.
Good bang for your buck.
Yes, oh yeah.
It for your book.
Yes, oh yeah, it'll get the jabdone.
I wish I had more to contributewhen it can't when it comes to
alcohol, but I just.
It's so hard.
I don't have a taste forspirits, I don't have the palate
for it um I I think it comeswith uh, I don't know alcoholism

(07:19):
he just didn't want to say ithe just didn't want to say it.

Speaker 2 (07:24):
I'm not trying to say I have a disease, but I ain't
not saying it either.
So this second one goes out toour newest listeners.
These ones are coming in fromLambeth, england, uk.

(07:45):
That's apparently on the southside of London.
Cheers to that, cheers, cheers.

Speaker 1 (07:55):
Oh my, I think the south side is the poor side.
We're the working man's podcastyeah, I don't think you're.

Speaker 2 (08:08):
I don't think you're really listening to this.
If you're in a, you know,amazing place like you, probably
get your movie reviews fromthat fucking Joker, whatever the
name is Something a little morehigh, bro.
So this final toast, this one,goes out to the working man's

(08:35):
podcast.

Speaker 1 (08:37):
I did a quick Google search and I typed Lambeth,
reputation and someone posted onReddit.
Lambeth comes up as one of thehigher crime rates in the
boroughs.

Speaker 2 (08:46):
Hell yeah, cheers to you guys for running around
stabbing people and what notgetting into, like polo disputes
and what have you those?

Speaker 1 (09:01):
those, those UK people stab the shit out of you.
Oh, yeah, for them Mm.

Speaker 2 (09:07):
hmm.
See, I feel that we've becomemore genuine gentlemanly and
that will just shoot you.

Speaker 1 (09:13):
Yeah, put you out of your misery fast.

Speaker 2 (09:16):
Nice and quick, like men do.
That's right.
I saw a guy say something theother day uh, speaking of day,
speaking of like a man, and justthose statements and he goes.
You cannot just takeunappealing parts of who you are
and attach like a man and callyourself good and say a real man

(09:38):
does that.

Speaker 1 (09:41):
I've been, I've been watching Yellowstone recently
and that shows basically thatsentiment in its own way oh yeah
, don't get me wrong.
Super entertaining.
However, it's that sentiment.
You've got to kill 25 peoplefor your family.

Speaker 2 (09:54):
like a man, what what a real man would do.
You can't just attach that tothe back of whatever your
bullshit is no.

Speaker 1 (10:04):
No, If Jeffrey, you're telling me Jeffrey Dahmer
said like a man, we would havebeen like.
Yeah, he's kind of right, youknow.
I think that's actuallyrelevant to this movie also Like
I have some criticism of thismovie and I think that that's
really relevant, the way theytalk about.

Speaker 2 (10:22):
Oh sorry, go ahead.
No, no, no, Please, please.
I thought you were wrapping upmy bed.

Speaker 1 (10:27):
No, no.
But I should wrap up becausethat's like, that's real, that's
the meat of things.
We have to get into it.

Speaker 2 (10:32):
Let's do it All right .
So we're also going to bereviewing this film, as we, you
know.
We ahead and explain to theviewers how we're going to break
this thing down.

Speaker 1 (10:45):
Yeah.
So we have a system that, quiteliterally, will never fail us
when it comes to rating movies.
We're going to break it down byfive categories, which goes
acting, cinematography and slashscore, story, rewatchability,
and then how did we like itpersonally, and with those we

(11:07):
rate it one out of five.
James says no decimal points,none, whole numbers to give you
accurate ratings for thesemovies.
It's just holy Give you ageneral idea of.
Is this movie good?
Is it just kind of middle ofthe road Sounds good.

Speaker 2 (11:27):
Well, let's dive on in.
I mean so, James, what wereyour thoughts on Prometheus?

Speaker 1 (11:35):
Starting with me.
So my thoughts on Prometheus,my sober thoughts, were I like
this movie all right.
I thought this was a.
I like this movie All right.
I thought this was a.
I thought it was an okay movie.
I had a lot of.
I saw this in theaters back inthe day and I also left the
theater going.
That was an okay movie.

(11:55):
But this time I was like okay,I really want to watch this
movie and I want to try toapproach it with the high minded
concepts that it uh, that ittries to convey to me, that it's
like, hey, think about allthese things.
You're thinking aboutprometheus, who, who took fire
from the, from the gods and gaveit to humanity, and think about
it in the terms of all thequotes david says, and.

(12:19):
And what I thought in the endwas that it was a very pretty
movie.
I thought the cinematographywas really well done.
It was a really gray scale.
However, like as a very graymovie, there wasn't a lot of
dynamism in the, in the colorpalette, uh, but I thought the
action scenes were pretty good.

(12:39):
I thought the puppetry was good.
There was a lot of CGI, butthere was also, you know,
puppets that had cgi overlaidand I thought those were good.
Um, I thought that the likesci-fi world they built was
pretty interesting.
I thought they did a reallygood job with the props and set

(13:00):
department, um, but I thoughtthat the script was.
I thought the dialogue waspretty bad for the movie and I
thought that the charactermotivations were poor and I felt
like it didn't really live upto its high-minded ideals.
I thought it was just a lot ofquotes, but that's kind of how I
felt.
Uh.

(13:20):
So, like for acting, I thoughtI thought the acting was good,
but you know, the script reallyhampered them.
Yeah, so I, michael Fassbender,I think on his own plus new
mirror pace, bring it up to likea four.

Speaker 2 (13:35):
Yeah, I could three or four, I agree.
I think that Michael Fassbender, as David, I think he did such
a good job at using just sort ofoff putting dialogue, like the
way he deliver his lines and theway he would like be sitting
there, to make him like he.

(13:56):
He's a human being who I feelwas able to fall into the
uncanny valley.

Speaker 1 (14:02):
Yeah, he did do an excellent job Like he's the real
standout actor of this.
He he made it feel like he wasan ai fighting his like urges
but to follow his program and helike conveyed that very well.
Yeah, I agree he michaelfassbender was definitely
standout, but could he carry itto a four?
Was it it just a three for you?

(14:23):
You said three or four.
Yeah, the thing is I didn't.

Speaker 2 (14:28):
Noomi was also bringing it.

Speaker 1 (14:31):
What did you say?
Noomi also brought it.
I also liked Noomi.
I thought she was a good screamqueen for her scenes of being
figuring out that the alien wasinside her.
I thought she did an excellentscream queen version of that um
so I think that does bring it upto four.
I don't think the acting wasthe problem.

(14:51):
I think that the actors didn'thave a lot to work with, uh most
of the time michael fassbenderwas like the only character I
was like.
He's consistent and fleshed outand he has motivations.
Whether I agree with them orthink he's reasonable or
whatever, he's motivated and he,he's motivated.
And he was the only characterwho was written super well in my
opinion, but the acting, Ithink, was a four.

(15:12):
What were the other ones?
Score Cinematography, slashscore.
Cinematography, slash score.
I think both the cinematographyand the score were really great
.

Speaker 2 (15:23):
They were really beige, they were really, they
were really, really beigepaleted.

Speaker 1 (15:29):
Um, I have to give it a three, even though the score,
I think, was pretty good.
Um, yeah, it was rough.
Uh, what were the othercategories?
Again, rewatchability,rewatchability.
Um, you know, I could, I thinkthat I think that.

Speaker 2 (15:44):
I think that a highlight.

Speaker 1 (15:46):
I think that a highlights reel for this movie
would do really well.
There's a few highlights inthis movie that are super good,
um uh, but I would still onlygive this like a two or three
I'd say two for rewatchability.
And then story, which is, youknow, symmetry, realism, just

(16:07):
storytelling, generalstorytelling.
I liked the story they weretrying to present and I think
they did it clumsily in a lot ofways.
In a lot of ways that were meantto evoke things but were
ultimately empty, and so I'dgive I.
The problem is I really likedthe story.

(16:30):
If I read this story in like abook, like lore, I would have
enjoyed it If I was like heythis is the lore of alien.
I would be like fuck yeah, but.
But war of aliens?
Like fuck yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (16:46):
yeah, I agree, but but uh, I think that everyone
had brain damage and it was justagree.

Speaker 1 (16:48):
It's really bad, uh, so I'd give it like a two or
three.
You know what I like?
A three, I like a three, four,increase it to a threepence.
Yeah, I've been.
I feel like I'm being reallyhard on this movie, yeah, oh,
and then the last one's.
Just how did you like itpersonally, on a personal level?
Did you enjoy it, did you know?
Ah, I loved it as like a, youknow, sci-fi imagery movie.

(17:13):
You know it was real, vibes,had good vibes, and but I found
myself getting bored in someparts of the movie and I found
myself going.
I found myself being like god,it's the fucking horror where
they rely on people being dumbasses, yeah, or or something
like that.
It's like, ah, we, we, we knowwe can do movies where people do

(17:33):
everything right and it's stillscary.
And you could have made peopledo everything right, but instead
you made them fucking maniacsand that really hurt it, that
really dragged it down in myeyes.
Yeah, uh, so I don't know how,how I feel about it, I don't
know uh, real middling where I'mlike there's a lot of good
things here, but there's a lotof things that make me just I

(17:54):
think it's not really fair forthat.

Speaker 2 (17:56):
Then yeah, I think, a three okay, I I think that's it
.

Speaker 1 (17:59):
I don't think you're being too harsh on it either.
Honestly, on first you knowfirst impressions of your rating
.
I don't think that was tooharsh on the movie.
I think if people in 1970 sawthis movie they'd shit their
pants I mean oh yeah, 1979 iswhen the first alien came out.
So I think people if you putpeople in a room together and

(18:22):
they're like which movie isbetter?
They would say Prometheus.
So that's why I don't know ifI'm just being super hard on it.

Speaker 2 (18:27):
Yeah, okay.
Well, luke, do you want to diveinto yours?

Speaker 1 (18:35):
Yeah, I can do into mine going to mind.
So, as far as acting goes, uh,I I very much got into all of
the characters and they had alot of a lot of flaws.
But um, and I'll start off bysaying you know, with start off
before my rating, that this wasmy first time experiencing any
of the alien movies prometheuswas my first one wow so I had no

(18:58):
, you watched them in.
I did, I watched them inchronological order, since I
literally went to the theater,saw Romulus and then watched
Aliens.
I've been watching them inchronological order.
That's so wild, yeah, and I hadnever experienced it, so I come
at it with a completelydifferent perspective, honestly.
So with the acting, I agree,agree, I think it's a four.

(19:22):
Um, I think michael fassbenderdid a great job and, honestly,
the supporting cast wereentertaining.
Um, but also, you know, if theydied off like you weren't, you
were it hurt a little, but notenough.
Like, because sometimes when itI get really hurt by a
character dying off it I ithurts my soul and I hate the
movie for it a little, just alittle bit.
so right I give it a four forfor acting um.

(19:43):
As far as the cinematographyand the um the score, I also
gave it a three.
So the in in general.
I actually thought some of thecgi scenes were a little rough
for the time.
Especially seeing some some CGIfrom earlier than its time, I

(20:04):
was just like okay, that wasjust unexpected.
I thought it would have been alittle better.
Do you feel like the enthusiasmof the movie with its CGI also
makes a huge difference on yourenjoyment?
Because I think back to whatyou said about starship troopers
, which that that was.
It was good cgi for the time,but it also when we were

(20:27):
watching the movie we stillenjoyed it because we were like
it's enthusiastic about it I andI do think that in all on it
like the movie overall, I I didenjoy it.
The cg it wasn't bad enough.
I was probably being a littleharsh when I had a note
specifically about it, though,like eh, cgi at times, so it
must have really caught myattention.
But in all honesty I enjoyedthe movie.

(20:48):
So I don't really think that it.
I think it didn't take awayfrom the enjoyment of the movie
and I do think, like you saidjust that the enthusiasm, the
intensity of it is also stillentertaining.
And then we have the story.
I thought that at times, becausethe characters lacked what they

(21:10):
lacked is actual endings andall, I feel like none of their
endings were well thought outand I feel like they it all just
was like all right, drive thestory forward, let's kill this
guy.
All right, cool, this guy turnsinto a zombie now.
And he came back and juststarted killing.
Like I wrote, one of my noteswas I did not expect this to
turn into a zombie movie andobviously it wasn't a zombie

(21:32):
movie.
But you know, it just gave thatvibe Like what the fuck?
It?
Just very fragmented at thattime.
So the fuck it just veryfragmented at that time.
So I also put it middle of theroad.
It's a three, four for thestory um and then the rewatch
ability.
I gave it a three, not a two,and the reason why is I've
fallen in love with thisfranchise so I really have I

(21:53):
love this alien franchise and,in all honesty, I could see
myself going all rightchronological order again, baby,
and just watch them through.
Yeah, like a Star Wars kind ofthing or.

Speaker 2 (22:05):
Harry Potter.

Speaker 1 (22:07):
Next time you should do it in the order they came out
.

Speaker 2 (22:09):
Yeah, I might do that .

Speaker 1 (22:12):
And I've done that with Star Wars, yeah, so I
really might do that because itgenuinely I'm very much enjoying
it, but at the same time, I'mgonna just watch prometheus, so
it's not gonna get higher than athree for me because, okay, I'm
not just gonna.
Oh, let's just put on.
If I'm gonna put on any of thealien movies, it's probably
gonna be the original at thispoint.
Um, or, in all honesty, romulus, which is also phenomenal, um,

(22:36):
not to spoil it like you got it,I can't wait.
I hope you get to see it, james, soon because I was gonna go
tonight, but you know, yeah ofcourse so, but when you, but
genuinely.
And then, um, the last one,which is, how did I like it
personally, which will surpriseyou, a four because, again, I
still just really enjoyed it.
I, I, I very much.

(22:57):
It set the tone for me, it gaveme this like background and I
feel like it did build the worldwell, um, while the story
wasn't that great, it did buildthis like world in this universe
for the alien, um movies for me, and I really enjoyed that.
I was like, wow, this it got mevery excited to watch the next
ones, in all honesty.
So that's so interesting forthis to be your first experience

(23:21):
with alien and this to be yourbasis for all the movies.
That's so interesting becausepeople who saw the original
first have this concept of axenomorph that's very limited in
scope yeah yeah so it was partof the original was that you
didn't know what the fuck wasgoing on.

Speaker 2 (23:40):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, which this and that kind of?
And.

Speaker 1 (23:43):
I got that experience at the beginning of it which so
when I got by the time I got tothe original, I had an idea of
what does he know?
Like I knew all that stuff.
So obviously it probably took Igot a probably that a different
experience than other people aswell, which I don't mind.
Again, I loved it too.
So that can be for a differenttime, but yeah.

Speaker 2 (24:03):
Yeah, no, I agree with that as well, that the
people who've just been startedon the beginning and they always
they want something fresh andnew and exciting.
But if they don't see the exactsame thing that they just saw
and it brings them exactly towhere they were when they saw
the first one, they're gonnashit all over it.
And I appreciated Prometheusfor like saying like yeah,

(24:26):
there's aliens out there, butlike, hey, there's a lot more.
And I think they were even ableto.
I got a lot of bad things to sayabout Covenant, but when they
did dust off your traditionalxenomorph there for Covenant,
they did it in such a way whereit's like you remember this guy

(24:50):
we're going to, we're going tosleek him out, we're going to
like show you.
Like when he's doing his allfours running, yeah, we had
never seen in broad daylight oneof these things just fucking
hauling ass at you.
And they were able to bringsomething fresh to it, even
though you know we've beenseeing this thing, you know,
since 1979.
So I appreciated that.

(25:10):
But as for you know, so forPrometheus, on my side I did
enjoy the acting of Fassbender.
I also really liked Idris Elba.
I liked his character a lot.

Speaker 1 (25:26):
I did too.
Actually, I can't believe Iforgot about Idris as soon as
you just said that.

Speaker 2 (25:30):
Wow, the whole time I was just sitting there relating
to him, the rest of thesepeople were out of their fucking
minds Like dude.
Where is your your scientificcontrols for real?
You guys are supposed to betrained in that?

Speaker 1 (25:48):
nope, they're.

Speaker 2 (25:49):
They're sticking their faces where they shouldn't
just the the guy who's likelook at this alien snake thing,
let's, let's see what it coulddo to my hand I, just I.

Speaker 1 (26:01):
I I'm pretty sure it was prometheus where he sticks
his face down by the spurs thespores, sorry, not spurs yeah,
spores I'm literally like thatwas covenant.
That was covenant, oh that wasoh, because I'm just like what
you don't do that, like what thefuck you?
You might be getting that sceneconfused with the one in
Prometheus, where the biologisttries to kiss a snake.

(26:21):
Oh yeah, he tries to kiss asnake.

Speaker 2 (26:25):
Same thing essentially.
Well, even just the guy who'slike I'm taking my helmet off
and his girlfriend wife I don'tknow what she was to him.
He's like please don't do that.
And he's like stop being astupid woman, like dude, like,
stop being a stupid woman Likedude.

Speaker 1 (26:46):
I also had a note.
Why do they have to have suchgiant bulbous helmets?

Speaker 2 (26:50):
Well, I think there's a point to be made and I had a
note in that vein.
We might be kind of diving intothe second part of this, so
after this I'll just get down tomy ratings.
Okay, but he said that, uh,they may have updated the tech
too far and so they lost a lotof the feel of alien okay but
then I guess maybe it'sforgivable and what we're seeing

(27:11):
here is like a super rich sideof what the universe is capable
of oh, I'm glad you.
Yeah, I have notes for that aswell so but anyway, I'll just
dive into my scores real quickbecause it's time to get into
the second portion of this.
So the acting, um, I gave it afour.
I think michael fassbender uhknew me and it just uh, I
enjoyed that a lot of them.

(27:32):
Um, cinema and score I like themusic.
I think that the music isimmediately recognizable and it
was really good at creating asense of just being disturbed.

Speaker 1 (27:44):
So I'll give that a four as well it's funny you say
that it's recognizable, becausemy fiance literally says every
when we watch the rest of themovies.
She would point out when theprometheus theme would come on
yeah, and she'd be like that'sprometheus theme and I'm like,
oh, interesting so that it'sonly so, it's an arrangement
yeah.

Speaker 2 (28:03):
And the Prometheus portion of it.
It's meant to sort of.

Speaker 1 (28:07):
You gave that a three right.

Speaker 2 (28:09):
Which one?
A three For the score Four,four.
Yeah, it's meant to indicatethat there's some primordial
truth that's being hinted atright now.
Yeah, um, and that's why Ienjoy that rewatch ability.
Um, I give it a three.
I have rewatched prometheus afew times just because I am big

(28:30):
on the alien lore, and this isdefinitely a movie where you're
going to find some, and so I doenjoy it for that.
The.
The story was bogged down bythe world's dumbest scientists
that they could squeeze onto amulti-trillion dollar fucking
expedition.

Speaker 1 (28:47):
Um, I have a.
I have a theory about that.

Speaker 2 (28:50):
I feel like there would have been smarter people
involved, but I have a theorywell, should we wait?

Speaker 1 (28:56):
for a second.

Speaker 2 (28:56):
Yeah, we'll wait, that's gold path, and so I I
felt that it hurt it.
I felt that the the stupidityof some of these scientists hurt
it.
You're supposed to be a fuckingscientist.
You should know that there'smore to being able to breathe an
environment than just theoxygen content.

Speaker 1 (29:15):
Hey, they got oxygen.

Speaker 2 (29:18):
Let's do it Like what microbial things are burning
around in that oxygen, like whatbacteria, what they didn't
punish him for it that's thething, though, is that they
didn't pay that off he got.
He got intentionally dosedelsewhere that they didn't even
pay it off which bothered mewell, and I watched it again and

(29:39):
I was surprised at what afucking dick he was he was a
raging dick um and so, but thelore, in my opinion, swoops in
and sort of arches off that badrating for me, so I do give that
a three.
Um, and then personally, um, Iwould also give it a three, just
because you know I am.

(29:59):
I am an alien fan and I likethe expansion they made on the
lore, so I'm going to give thata three as well.

Speaker 1 (30:09):
All right, I'm adding up the scores right now,
divided by.
You know I like the alienfranchise.
You know what?
I think I just like alien.
Yeah, I think I just like theAlien franchise.
You know what?
I think I just like Alien.
I think I just like the firstone and then the lore.
I honestly think that's where Iam right now.
I've only gotten as far asAliens, but so far I do like the

(30:37):
franchise in general.
I do, I don't know.
Yeah, I like the first Alien, Ido, I don't know.
Yeah, I.
I like the first alien.
I like sigourney weaver in therole and I think that it really
captured.
I think it was like a perfectmovie and it's hard to it's hard
to make another.
I like perfect movies acrossall genres, you know I like all
kinds of perfect movies, yeah,and and uh.

(31:01):
I just felt like there wasn'tanother perfect alien.
Well the calculations are in.
So it came out to 3.2.
We round down with two goesdown to three.

Speaker 2 (31:14):
So the official score of Alien Prometheus is three
out of five stars and I feelthat's fair.
I feel that's fair.
I feel that's fair.
I agree, I that doesn't hurt myfeelings to hear that it got a
three.

Speaker 1 (31:27):
Um so well, I mean, you know, it's that that
emotional attachment to ourmedia is something we should
reject.
Anyway, you know, like like thethings you know, take, take
what it, what's great about it,but you also can't control other
people's opinions.

Speaker 2 (31:42):
So great, agreed, except, uh, just be aware,
listeners at home, um uh, highand dry is the final arbiter of
oh, that's right.

Speaker 1 (31:51):
These things, so you have to pay attention to our
opinion so our opinion is theone that matters.

Speaker 2 (31:57):
Um, we're the ones doing a drunk eye, we're the
ones who are smarter than you inevery way, and um, that's where
we get these scores from soobviously, obviously, oh shit.
I think our fans have come toexpect that, you know, um so uh.
Moving on to the next portion,is it's time to get on to the

(32:19):
golden path?
Golden path, the liquor isflowing through my blood, you
guys have been smoking.

Speaker 1 (32:26):
Did you want to go first, since the liquor is
flowing hard for you?
Do you have thoughts?
Do you want to?

Speaker 2 (32:30):
go first.
Well, I'm going to go first onour final toast of the show.
Okay, let's do it All right.
So this final toast, final hitshow.
Okay, let's do it all right.
So this final toast, final hitthis one goes out to, I guess,
congratulations on the three outof five ridley, scott, uh
cheers, cheers, you earned it.

Speaker 1 (32:49):
Yeah, you earned it, homie don't spend it all at one
place do better you know it's,it's he's.
He does good movies.
A lot of them, a lot of hismost recent movies, have been
very visually similar, thoughit's the same palette all the

(33:10):
time oh yeah, no, he's the uhtim burton of your science
fictions and um historical drama.
Yeah, you can really.
You can really pick out hiscolor palette.

Speaker 2 (33:25):
Yeah, Mm, hmm, no.
And like if you, uh, if youpull up a picture of Ridley
Scott, the first picture he'swearing an uh, all gray suit
with a gray t-shirt.

Speaker 1 (33:36):
Really yeah, you know the edit gets to him.

Speaker 2 (33:40):
And really, and who was it?

Speaker 1 (33:40):
holy shit, you know the first edit gets to him and
he goes.
No, that's not great enough,guys, they're like, there's like
there's no tones of any othercolor in the movie.
Sir, I just looked back at mynotes.

Speaker 2 (33:52):
My very first note is this movie is so fucking cloudy
and gray that was my first note, and Ridley Scott had a hand in
man of Steel as well, andthat's where that movie was gray
I uh, my first note was whatthe fuck is that awful filter
they put on the memory helmet?

Speaker 1 (34:12):
Oh yeah, right.

Speaker 2 (34:13):
I thought we had technology.

Speaker 1 (34:14):
I was like yeah, their, their helmets look super
futuristic.
And then it's literally like agrainy image from the sixties,
like, yeah, their helmets looksuper futuristic.

Speaker 2 (34:22):
And then it's literally like a grainy image
from the 60s, Like I was likewhat is going on?
It was horrible.
Well, it's weird that the restof this universe uses Atari
cartridge tech and we've seennow in this film that we have
the technology.
You just can't afford it.

Speaker 1 (34:39):
You just can't afford it.
You just can't afford it, youjust can't afford it.
So one of my, one of my noteswas literally a self-healing
machine where 12 were made,showing that only the rich have
access to the true, best medicalcare yeah yeah, oh yeah, I mean
they even yell at the scientistgirl like hey, stay away from
my, you can't afford to behealed.
Yeah, yeah, what?

Speaker 2 (35:00):
is wrong with you.
Well, so let's dive on in.
It's time to get on the goldenpath.
Let's see what's behind thiswhole thing.
So my first thing when I'mlooking at this is first off,
david is dropping huge hintsthat he's gone off the rails.

Speaker 1 (35:14):
Yeah, I have a note they made it very sinister very
early.
Yes, I don't know how no onecaught on to that tone at all.
That's right, my theory, mytheory.

Speaker 2 (35:25):
Yes, we said it in the Golden Path.

Speaker 1 (35:27):
Okay, so the reason no one caught on to the tone is
that it talks about how all thetechnology is new, like the
healing pod and stuff.
I think that personally, thesecryopods are in their testing
phase and what happened is theyput all these scientists in them
and everybody got brain damagefrom being frozen and unfrozen

(35:49):
and, and so that's why everybodywilling to take those risks
they're, they're just, they'rejust insane and they're totally
insane.
The worst biologist ever, theworst geologist ever, his, he's
only there to throw some orbs inthe sky, and the orbs do all
the work.
Anyway, I don't.
I think that most of thesepeople were just brought to test

(36:11):
these fucking cryo chambers andthe tests were bad.
Do you think they were eversmart to begin with then?
Like, do you like?
Or do you think they were eversmart to begin with then, or do
you think they were alreadymediocre?

Speaker 2 (36:22):
I would argue that they're mediocre.
You have two scientists whospend their time trying to
connect the links betweencivilizations around the world.
They were watching fuckingHistory Channel at two in the
morning.
They were high, they werefucking and they're like let's
make a career out of this um soI don't think they were

(36:46):
intelligent to begin with, um,and and I think because I'm
watching this thing again um, hewas such a fucking dick and she
after the cryo and she was like, clearly just like she was used
to forgiving him and glossingover his glaring inadequacies.

(37:11):
And like she, this was the firsttime I watched it and I started
to kind of look at her as a midrange emotional abuse victim
victim oh yeah, 100, but againthat's after cryo, that's after
that.

Speaker 1 (37:28):
We didn't see, we only saw a couple words shared
between of them, between thembefore cryo, and they weren't
dicks then well, I would.

Speaker 2 (37:34):
So they had the conversation where he
immediately, like attacked herpersonal religion and beliefs
and this was not the first timethey had that conversation, like
he's clearly been like you'vebeen stupid the whole fucking
time.
We've talked so many timesabout your belief in a higher
power and you're just notgetting that into your woman's
skull.
Um, and so I I feel like theremight be some precedence here

(37:59):
that he was always a dick.
I mean because it didn't makesome of the rest of them a dick
Some.

Speaker 1 (38:10):
I think those people turned stupid because brain
damage takes different.
You know, not everybody's braindamage is the exact same way.
So some of them were wereviolent and some of them were
just, uh, just crazy scattered,and some of them were kind of
like subdued.
They were almost likelobotomized, like she was yeah,
no, that's yeah, that's true.

Speaker 2 (38:32):
um, no, but I think there were there were a few
moments in this thing wherewe're seeing the uh, the end
result of emotional abuse, likewe, we saw it with vickers.
Um, uh, charlize theron'scharacter, uh, from her father,
um, right, we saw, we saw, thensaw her hand it down to david um

(38:55):
, there was a lot of likeinteresting, like people are
getting abused and it alteredtheir characters.
I would say that on this watchof it, it made me hate that main
scientist.
I'm glad he never had a career,but it did add a new dynamic,
in my opinion, to thesecharacters.

(39:15):
It made some of their actionsmake sense to me.
So there's that for me.
What about you guys?
What are some?
of their actions make sense tome.
Um so interesting.
So there's that for me.
So what about you guys?
What are some of your goldenpath thoughts?

Speaker 1 (39:25):
do you want to go first, james?
Uh, sure, yeah, I'll go first.
I got, I got things to say, um,so a couple of things like this
movie.
One of the things I want totouch about this movie was
philosophical concepts right,because we try to do that in
this podcast, to talk aboutphilosophical concepts, and this
movie presents itself as veryphilosophical.

(39:47):
Like I said, it talks it'snamed prometheus and they tell
the story, they like mention thestory outright of prometheus
giving to humanity.
Yeah, he names the fucking shipfor me exactly, and um, and and
uh, michael fassbender day asdavid gives out a lot, he throws
out a lot of quotes and stuffthat are supposed to be

(40:09):
meaningful and relevant, but Idid not find in the story and
the relationship between thequotes and the actions of the
story and the conclusions thatwe draw any kind of cohesion.
You know, um, the thing aboutPrometheus, you know, giving
fire to the humans is is aboutteaching them and giving them

(40:31):
something good.
It wasn't the creation of thehumans, um, you know, uh, uh,
they, they talk about there's alot of like nihilism, about like
there being no meaning in theworld.
It's just kind of like nihilismseems to be the conclusion and
that we and, and you know,philosophical nihilism is that

(40:52):
we build our own meaning in theworld, and so at the end, they
kind of go off to build theirmeaning, but they're basing
their meaning on something else.
Uh, you know, it's just thesearch for meaning is the only
search and it completelyconsumes these people beyond
like, any kind of like self.
You know, uh, uh, you know,keeping going yeah, let's be.

Speaker 2 (41:14):
It's beyond their lives at all, um, and that was
another reason why I really,really loved it.
Just his character when she,when shaw looks at him and says,
don't you want to know whatthey have to say?
And he just stone cold, I donot care yeah, I loved it.

Speaker 1 (41:31):
I loved it.
Yeah, it's like, yeah, I, Ikind of want to live, I kind of
want to.
Clearly, something is going iswrong here.
Let's, let's regroup and andfigure and come back with a plan
, but it's but so, but that's.
The movie's message is thatpeople will do anything to have
their curiosity sated, includingacting like fucking maniacs,

(41:52):
and that asking the motivationsof a creator is a difficult
prospect.
Uh, you know, when david comesto uh waylon and asks, you know,
you know his meaning, tounderstand his meaning, he's
disappointed by humanity.
Uh, you know, you're just amortal too.
To the alien.
Um, but I don't think hisquotes that he threw out through

(42:12):
the through the whole seriestied into that were poignant
enough or relevant enough, Idon't care, you know they
weren't, even they did therelevance
you know that that whole racewas supposed to be, you know,
the creators of humans and earthand whatever, and it felt very
background to just like hey, bythe way, this is this intro to

(42:33):
alien.
It's like okay, yeah, like Iagree it had very little
cohesion when it came to thethat concept of us being created
, you know, and all of that, allyeah.
And shara said it's ironic thatthis movie that's so focused on
the search and that they madethis movie that's so focused on
the search for meaning and theyultimately gave us a meaningless

(42:55):
movie.
That was just like Laura didn'tgive us any.
Yeah, that's it.
That's all.
It's just like, oh cool, Now Iknow where alien came from.
That's all like you really careabout.
That's what you and they evenknow.
That's all I took away fromthis movie At the end.

Speaker 2 (43:10):
In that vein, I am happy that it asked and it
created more questions withinthe lore than it answered.
I do like that and I thinkthat's important to the the
taste and feel of alien, so I dofeel it kept it alive in that

(43:30):
regard.

Speaker 1 (43:32):
I am drawing a kind of connection here on.
Maybe some of this wasintentional because of, like the
meaningless of.
David found that his search wasmeaningless, that these things
were just mortal.
To that, you know, maybe themovie was meant to feel
meaningless, but also you askedme to be invested for a lot of

(43:55):
it.
You know, like something likeStarship Troopers, where it has
like a cohesion, where theacting was over the top because
it was like nazi propaganda,then you wouldn't call that good
acting normally.
But when you tie it in togetherartfully, it keeps you engaged.
When you tell me everythingthat you told me is meaningless
and all the build-up wasmeaningless, it doesn't leave me
with a great feeling for amovie, you know, and something

(44:16):
to engage me with the story.
Uh, it's a feeling of emptinessand it's like, oh, uh, I don't
like that.

Speaker 2 (44:24):
I definitely don't want to watch that again well
then, there's definitely a veryuh, I guess, lovecraftian sort
of feel to the series thatprometheus adds um, well, uh,
luke, what about you?
What are your?
Uh?
Prometheus adds Well, luke,what about you?

Speaker 1 (44:40):
What are your?
One thing that I feel like thismovie really showcased is
William's lack of human emotions, and his intense curiosity can
be truly dangerous Not beingable to truly say is this like

(45:02):
safe?
Is this okay, is this more?
You know all of those thingslike he only cared about
progressing his research of this.
You know, um, what is the xenoor what is the, the little micro
thing called the?

Speaker 2 (45:19):
which one the the air .

Speaker 1 (45:22):
Yeah, the the airborne.

Speaker 2 (45:23):
Oh, oh, oh, that's um , um.

Speaker 1 (45:26):
I can't remember for the life of me.

Speaker 2 (45:29):
That's chemical, a zero, something, something,
something something.

Speaker 1 (45:32):
Yeah Well, but anyways, like it.
It just shows like I reallyfelt like the movie was showing,
trying to like, show us thatyou know, being like curious,
like this is dangerous, Like inso many ways I also do.
I also found it veryinteresting how and this is just

(45:52):
a thought I had Twenty, ninetythree genuinely is not that far
away.
In all honesty, it's possiblethat we reach 2093.
We'd be very old, but you know,oh, this podcast will still be
there, we'll be fucking rockingit out, but I I definitely, um,
I found it very weird to justlike think of some, like they

(46:15):
think that we're that close tobeing able to travel light years
away.
Cryopods would actually bearound and I feel like when the
movie came out in 1970, thefuture did seem very possible
like that.
And don't get me wrong, a lotcan happen in 70 years.
But it is kind of crazy tothink about the fact that this
is only 70 years out 70 yearsout, um, when you know the year.

(46:42):
I would say that it makes sensejust in regards of, uh, how we
are, our technology isdeveloping exponentially yeah,
so 1970 to 19 to 2024 which is a50 year time, is going to move
much slower than now to then Iagree like actually now there's
like a I just dropped, it's morelike a snowball going down a
hill, right when it comes tothis, you know, as the snowball

(47:02):
gets bigger, it just startspicking up more and yeah, like
david is here, we just call himjabot yeah, you're not wrong.
Well, and that's, that'sinteresting.
Do you think it would beactually before then that we
could potentially be travelingacross the sky?
What sort of of.

Speaker 2 (47:18):
Honestly, I think Ridley Scott fucking nailed it
to the day, to the day.

Speaker 1 (47:25):
But yeah, and then the last one, oh no, the last
one that I had written down wasit's also dangerous to make AI
robots, I think, look and actlike humans.
They said that it was forpeople's comfort, but, in my
opinion, having something that Iknow is not human but is trying

(47:48):
to interact with me in that wayfeels uncomfortable.

Speaker 2 (47:52):
Oh, I would have never taken that drink from
David.
Like David, you've been sayingsome really weird shit lately.
He's literally sayingeverything with his head down,
like this.
He's literally like yes, yes,like david, you've been you've
been saying some really weirdshit lately and I don't like
that you're just head down likethis.

Speaker 1 (48:01):
He's literally like yes, yeah, I feel like I feel
like you're telegraphing reallyhard that you're evil yeah, like
, yeah.

Speaker 2 (48:10):
So you're either about to poison me with this
drink or tie me to a railroadtrack.

Speaker 1 (48:15):
Um and I'm not feeling it, dude, I'm not
feeling it yeah, so I just I Ido think that that's a dangerous
line, that I feel like, um,they, they, they jumped on and I
feel like, as just I wasthinking about myself in that
perspective, I would absolutelyhate to have an ai robot that
actually is like trying tointeract with me as normal.

(48:36):
I just want let's just knowwhat we are and interact.
Yeah, we don't have to way, youdon't have to pretend to be
human.

Speaker 2 (48:41):
David does lead to Bishop, so you know you take the
good with the bad.

Speaker 1 (48:47):
I would definitely chill with Bishop.
Yeah, I would I agree.

Speaker 2 (48:50):
Yeah, so.

Speaker 1 (48:53):
Alright.
Well, I'd chill with Ash In theshowers.

Speaker 2 (48:59):
Just fuck the shit out of him.
You're gonna be in the showers.
It's just fucked the shit outof him.

Speaker 1 (49:03):
You're going to be in Fifth Element.

Speaker 2 (49:06):
I say, as I push his head down yeah, we had a filthy
episode about that back in theday, but anyway.
So with that being the case,now that we're talking about
taking ash on in the showers,it's time to insert ourselves
into prometheus.
So what changes?
What happens?

(49:27):
We're there now.
We're on prometheus, and I'menjoying this one for the
bottleneck of it, because, likenormally, we like I know one of
you bastards is gonna say well,I never got on prometheus I was.
I was in that first cave and Iheard them saying crazy shit to
each other and I was like Igotta get a different job yeah,

(49:51):
I started working at spacemcdonald's, so, uh, we have been
inserted onto prometheus, sowhether it's I mean, we, we've
all well, we've seen the rest ofthese movies and we, we know
that indentured servitude is onthe table.

(50:13):
So you're on prometheus.
How does it change?
Um, luke, let's start with you.
How does prometheus change bythe addition?

Speaker 1 (50:22):
can I ask you, is it all three like am I in a
scenario where all three of usare on it, or is it me?
I welcome you to add us okayokay, so all three of us are on
prometheus now.
Um, the moment that we suggestto just explore an unknown
planet, we beat the ever-lovingshit out of every other man on
the crew with Idris Elba.
Idris Elba would obviously behelping us because he's also

(50:44):
rational.
Maybe the Aussie might.
But besides that, we're goingto beat the shit out of them and
put them back in the cryopodsand we're going to go the fuck
to the place that we're supposedto go and never fuck with a
planet that we were neversupposed to be on so you're
thinking of covenant yeah, yeah,no, but I hope we actually make
it to a safe place.

(51:06):
Unlike that, but, yes, I, Ithink that we would actually be
rational, because I would hope,uh, we're smarter than the crew
that was on that ship.
Uh, truly, I, I really do youthink?

Speaker 2 (51:17):
you think all right, so you think that we're coming
onto this ship and we're gonnamake more logical, sound
decisions and we're gonna have amutiny and we're gonna yeah,
take take over the ship withidris alba.
Okay all right, all right.
Um well, james, uh, what aboutyou?
For you, how does, how does thefilm change?

Speaker 1 (51:34):
so if I was like added to the crew not if I took
a spot.
I have to be added either way.
Either way Do I get.
Do I have brain damage?
I mean, that's scary is notofficially canon.
Okay, so okay, so I don't haveto have brain damage.

Speaker 2 (51:54):
No, they're just really dumb, I think.

Speaker 1 (51:56):
then I take on the role of squid baby.
I think that's the one thatwould fit me best and, uh, I
would, um, as squid baby, Iwould keep my presence hidden
until the ship escaped, right?

(52:17):
Uh, it just elva was.
We're not fucking with thesethings.
There was a squid baby on board.
We're not taking any of thesehome with us.
It was already on there.
Yeah, I would have doneeverything in my power to help
them get off the planet as squidbaby, and it would have been
great.
It would have been great for me.
I even, even if you gave new mefucking sepsis when you burst

(52:41):
into her open stomach wound Ididn't make that choice, uh, I
was just.
I didn't ask to be born squidbaby in the vents.
Like I didn't ask for this, Igot to fuck that giant thing's
face before I died.
One of the creators.

Speaker 2 (53:00):
It was a nice warm face too.

Speaker 1 (53:03):
Yeah, and it's not like I disagreed with him.
I think he did the right thing.
Killing these monkeys whoshowed up on his planet, woke
him up from his cryosleep to tryto interrogate him Whatever
David said, by the way, to justmake this dude go fucking rambo

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shit was hilarious.
I was like I was like this I,this dude's doing the right
thing.
These, these, these, fucking,these fucking upright monkeys
are gonna take these weapons andthey're gonna destroy the
entire fucking universe withthem.
You know, yeah, so we're allgood, I'd be an alien, I'd be

(53:43):
there doing my thing, okay.

Speaker 2 (53:46):
All right.

Speaker 1 (53:48):
I think everything's going great guys.

Speaker 2 (53:50):
I think I would also be Squid Baby, but in the fact
that I would take on IdrisElba's captain role and that
would be the nickname thatVickers came up with for me,
because I use all the hands.
Oh, got it, yeah.
So yeah, she'd be like hey,squid, baby, I need to talk to

(54:11):
you.
I'm like all right, yeah, I'mcoming, babe, but but.
Go flying out of the shot, um,but uh, no.
So if I was inserted into it, Ithink that I would be, because
I'm watching it.

(54:31):
Um, I think this was, um, Idon't know.
I think maybe this is the firsttime I've seen this film in
recent memory and and I have alot of new life experiences
coming at it and, um, you know,it's like with my occupation and
things of that nature that Idon't want to go too far into,
but, um, I was watching idriselba's character and I'm like,

(54:57):
holy shit, I was on this ship.
Um you know, like when he waslike, if, like, uh, if you can't
be with the one you love, lovethe one you with.
And he plays his littleaccordion.
That's some shit I do.
Um, hands down, um the thewhole thing, the way he was

(55:21):
treating it, the way, uh, he'srealizing that, hey, you dumb
asses are getting in over yourheads.
And he like looks at the camera.
It's like I don't give a shitwhat the dude who made me has to
say.
We're bouncing.
Um, I uh, yeah, no, I would bethere.
And and the way like he tellsvickers that like, jump in your
pod, that's gonna give you twoyears, but this shit's going
down.
This cannot get back to earth.

(55:42):
Um, I'm there, I'm there for it.
I was loving it the whole timeand I loved it when his crew,
like for the first time, showsthat they have character too
they've.
I would like to have seen amovie just about those three
dudes in the cockpit.
I feel like, had we had donethat instead and tried to answer
the questions that were posedby prometheus, we wouldn't have

(56:04):
the same problems we did withthis movie, right I don't
disagree.

Speaker 1 (56:10):
Good, that was all I had to say yeah, and so I.

Speaker 2 (56:14):
I would have liked to have seen that like, because, I
mean, I'm looking at scores andeach of us just had a problem
with the writing that was put oncharacters we didn't give a
fuck about.
I think one of the reasons whyRomulus did so good is because
they did Prometheus with peoplewe fucking cared about.

Speaker 1 (56:33):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (56:36):
Had they have just focused on Idris, had they have
focused on his crew, whoobviously have great, great
fucking loyalty to this mangreat chemistry like they would
have.

Speaker 1 (56:47):
Yeah, like that scene , the brain damage.
Yeah, for no reason.
They didn't have to be there.
I wrote.
I wrote these people are idiotsin mind.
It was really interesting tohear how you thought about them.
My note was they're like I havenothing to live for.
Blow me up.
I could.
I could get out.
I know I could get out theescape, but uh, no, I'm just

(57:09):
gonna die, it's fine well, Isaid let's fucking kamikaze the
alien shit boys.
Hell yeah, but it wasn't three,it only took one person.

Speaker 2 (57:18):
I think that's what the problem was.
We were so fucking focused onthe dumb ass scientists that had
they have reverted to the crewwe would have, because I think
they like kind of they expectedus as the audience to understand
that we there, that Idris Elbaand his crew had a point A to
point D, idris Elba and his crewhad a point A to point D and we

(57:40):
were just supposed to acceptthat C and everything in between
would have led them to thischoice.
And knowing that, hey, if thatship and Covenant covered it
later that if that ship made itback to Earth we'd all be dead,
they would have released thecreators would have released
their biological black goo andkilled the entirety of Earth.

Speaker 1 (58:01):
Well, that's what they were going to do anyway.

Speaker 2 (58:03):
Yeah, if that ship, yeah, and so there was a lot of
stuff in the middle that we hadto kind of insert for ourselves
to make Idris Elba's choice makesense.

Speaker 1 (58:14):
No, his choice made sense.
The two co-pilots made no sense.
He was like you can can leave,I can pilot this ship.
And they were like no, you'renot good enough.

Speaker 2 (58:25):
But that's not, it's not true, like yeah, because it
was just his bullshit joke.
Because I think that prometheusshould have been about idris
elba's previous mission andanswered these prometheus
questions, because there wasobviously loyalty that occurred
off screen years before.

Speaker 1 (58:45):
What about Lackey's?
Sacrificing themselves for noreason is appealing to you.
I think there are people whoare appealed to by this.
I think that I'm not one ofthose people.
I don't get get it.
But why do you feel that, likehis, his guy is sacrificing
themselves?
For him is like a nobledecision, or I don't?

Speaker 2 (59:06):
necessarily think it, but like, like, I like to think
that both of these guys knewthat their best friend was about
to call it a day.
They, they realized thatthey're about to go down to a
planet and they're just gonnawait two years to die.
Um, and it's like, hey, man, Idon't want you to face this

(59:26):
alone.

Speaker 1 (59:27):
Um, my other option is to go down there on this
planet and die alone anyway, butexcept just cold, crazy and
starving well, they don't knowthat there's a lot of
assumptions made in this movie,like they assume a lot about the
creator's intentions and theyassume, like you're assuming
right now, about the Earth, likethe surface they only got, like

(59:48):
they only know like 400 squareyards of this fucking planet's
surface.
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (59:54):
Well, they do know that.
One guy went out onto thesurface, came back and turned
into a zombie.

Speaker 1 (01:00:02):
That is true, that is true.
But they know there's othersurvivors they could like, band
together.
We know Noomi Rapace doessurvive and get off the planet.
We know that for a fact.
So maybe they don't want todeal with the actual, you know,
depression, depression, andmaybe they will feel guilt of
some kind.

(01:00:22):
So that's why, ryan, I sort oflet you know if we're ever in a
situation and you're like I'mgoing to get out of here, I'm
going to take care of this, I'llbe like thanks, man, instead of
being like I'm going to diewith you.

Speaker 2 (01:00:39):
I appreciate it, fuck yeah bro, bro, thank you, I
understand, but because if I hada problem with that like so me
as Idris Elba if I suddenly hada problem with that, it means I
was insincere in the first place, right?
So, like I told you to get thefuck out of here, because I want
you to get the fuck out of here, I want you to live.
Yeah, I'll take care of this.
I get the fuck out of herebecause I want you to get the
fuck out of here.
I want you to live.

(01:00:59):
Yeah, I'll take care of this Imy life is in a triple kamikaze.

Speaker 1 (01:01:06):
Thanks, thanks, bro.

Speaker 2 (01:01:08):
I love you see you on the other side bye yeah, I'll
catch you on the other side,homies, um, yeah, no, I would
tell you guys to get off theship.
Uh, I mean, honestly, it worksperfectly for the high end guy,
our fucking roster here.
If I'm running the fucking showas Idris Elba and you two are

(01:01:29):
in the front seats and I know Icould handle it, I'm gonna be
like, no, seriously, get thefuck out of here.
And then I would tell Vickerslike, but I will need your help
though you die.
I will need your help thoughthey and me in my head going
like my boys don't need to dealwith your bullshit.

(01:01:49):
You're insane and I'm yoursquid baby.
I would be so pissed off if oneof you became her second squid
baby.
So it gives me that at least.

Speaker 1 (01:02:04):
Squid baby, squid baby.

Speaker 2 (01:02:10):
So, yeah, I wouldn't want anyone else to be her squid
baby, so she's coming with me.
You two, though, I wouldrequest humbly that you get off
the ship to be eventuallycrushed by the rolling alien
spacecraft.
So you know the scene whereshe's like no, no, no, no, it's

(01:02:32):
now you two going that, son of abitch do you think we should
run to the left?

Speaker 1 (01:02:40):
Right yeah, I was so mad I'm like just run to the
side.
What is happening?
Why are you?

Speaker 2 (01:02:46):
trying to outrun the entire spacecraft.

Speaker 1 (01:02:51):
Also, this is one thing that gave me that like
tore me out of the movie thatspacecraft.
There's no fucking way thatspacecraft is stronger than a
planet.
Like, when it crashes, when itfalls from the sky, it should
fucking collapse.
It's not stronger than theplanet.

Speaker 2 (01:03:11):
It's able to fucking roll like a coin.

Speaker 1 (01:03:16):
So stupid.
It's very strong alien metal.

Speaker 2 (01:03:21):
You don't understand yeah, well, that's why it's only
a hallway and snake pit,because everything else is just
fucking crisscrossing rebar it'sjust all frame there's, there's
frame in just like two smallrooms, and that's in one hallway
.

Speaker 1 (01:03:39):
The rest is frame right wild all right.
Well, and also one final thing,because we kind of have a read
wait, are we doing notes?

Speaker 2 (01:03:51):
we're doing a yes, it's time to dive into the notes
.

Speaker 1 (01:03:54):
Okay.
So one thing I wrote here wasthe end scene.
See, the tone seemed really off.
Did you guys notice this?
Did you guys notice the scorein the last scene with her and
David?
It started to be like almost ahopeful type thing, but they
were enemies, like like if you,if you listen to the diet, if

(01:04:21):
you, if you take the dialoguethey're saying and put an
ominous tone over it about thembeing like stuck together and
her going to get answers and herusing him as a tool, and and
their enemies, because that'swhat it really turns out to be
well, well, I think it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:34):
I think it aligns, because we had and I only
realized it watching it today.
I've seen this movie since,like 2012 or whenever the fuck
it came out, but I only realizedtoday that she is an emotional
abuse victim and she immediatelyencountered an ai abuser who

(01:04:56):
has?
the fucking internet, runningnew abuse techniques into his
fucking brain.
She immediately starts makingexcuses for him.
She immediately befriends himand then, alien covenant, we
learn that he eventually fuckingdissected her.
So, honestly, I think it's parfor the course.

(01:05:16):
Yeah, this, yeah, I don't know.
So, honestly, I think it's parfor the course.
Hmm, hmm, yeah, this.

Speaker 1 (01:05:21):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:05:24):
I think David was just the logical evolution of
the dickbag scientist boyfriendthat she brought.
By the way, you knew he was badfrom the beginning when he was
fucking wearing Birks to theinitial goddamn uh.
Briefing yeah, all right, ready, ready for the mission eh yeah,

(01:05:47):
like he had his fucking uhbirkenstocks that he was rolling
into I was told there would befield work yeah, like, yeah,
dude, there was there, he hadburks.
On this fucking thing, I I don'ttrust a man rolling
birkenstocks into a briefing um,but anyway, um, fuck you you

(01:06:08):
just don't understand you're,you're military, you don't get
civilians.

Speaker 1 (01:06:11):
I wear flip-flops everywhere, not burks.
No, if I could afford themExactly, I have off-brand target
Birkenstocks.

Speaker 2 (01:06:25):
Yeah, no, we're a podcast for South London.
Alright, we're not a podcastfor the top.

Speaker 1 (01:06:31):
Okay, last note Quote for one to create, one must
first destroy my note.
This is stupid Thoughts.

Speaker 2 (01:06:41):
For one to create, one must destroy, yeah.
Note this is stupid thoughts.
For one to create, one mustdestroy, yeah, no, that makes
zero fucking sense.
Um, I, I was.
I was born without my momcausing mass destruction yeah,
it's so.

Speaker 1 (01:06:53):
So we kind of sharon.
I kind of talked about thisidea and I think it's dumb and I
think that even if you want toclaim like, uh, you know,
someone had to eat an animal ora vegetable or something, um,
that's destruction in order tolive or whatever, uh, but it's
like a transitional state.
When you create like asculpture, it's you take a

(01:07:15):
material as a transitional, sayit doesn't.
It doesn't mean that materialis destroyed, just means it's a
circle it doesn't mean thatmaterial is destroyed.

Speaker 2 (01:07:20):
It's the circle of life.

Speaker 1 (01:07:21):
It's circle of life is not destruction, it's the
circle of life.
It's.
You know, it's not the circleof death.

Speaker 2 (01:07:27):
But I think, yeah, seeing it as destruction.
Good, well, there's, there'szooming out to such a degree
that eventually, yeah, you,eventually, yeah, you'll find
destruction.
But at this far up, we've alsolost the point.

Speaker 1 (01:07:44):
Yeah, so exactly, and and the destruction it's like
it's a specific mindset.
If you really, if you reallytry to have some do some kind of
semantic argument about whatdestruction means in order to
make the point that everythingis destroyed when something is
created, that's also lost thepoint I feel like that's also an
aggressive take on it because,in all honesty, like yes, okay,

(01:08:08):
let's say you're building a newbuilding, you have to build it
from the ground up.
That's not like if you're sayinglike, oh, it had something had
to be destroyed before, likethat's such a poor perspective
on it too.
It's really not, you know, inin the very few cases where I
think destruction would happenbefore something is built, which
is honestly in like actualconstruction, um, even then,

(01:08:29):
like you could have a bettertake where it's like, oh, no,
just an older building is beingbuilt.
What's newer, safer?
Like blah, blah makes sense.

Speaker 2 (01:08:36):
Well, I mean, we just learned that ridley scott is
zorg from.
Uh fucking fifth element, um so, uh well uh, there you have it,
folks.
So, uh, prometheus ridley scott, high and dry, is giving this
bad boy three out of fivebecause it's up its own ass.
So far it lost the point.

(01:08:57):
Um, thanks everyone forlistening.
That's for true.
All right, everybody, take iteasy out there.
Thanks for listening.
Bye, peace out, bye.