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Ever wondered how a movie can transform our perception of pop culture? We kick things off with a hilarious recount of our rocky relationship with the Titus show, and seamlessly transition into a heartfelt appreciation for "The Fifth Element." Our personal stories, steeped in the chaos of dysfunctional families, offer a unique, candid lens through which we digest our favorite films. This episode is a toast to our new listeners in LA and North Hollywood, fueled by the delightful combo of Kush Mountain cannabis and Knob Creek bourbon.

Get ready to laugh as we share our high thoughts on the sci-fi classic "The Fifth Element." From the ingenious world-building and unforgettable performances by Bruce Willis and Mila Jovovich to Chris Tucker's scene-stealing antics, we leave no stone unturned. We poke fun at the outdated CGI, praise the film’s humor, and even draw parallels between Ruby Rhod’s character and modern social media personalities. The chat veers into comparisons with other sci-fi flicks, and we don’t shy away from discussing Mila Jovovich's career trajectory, all while enjoying the flavors and effects of our favorite bourbon and cannabis.

Our conversation takes a deeper turn as we dissect the age dynamics in Hollywood and reflect on the dystopian themes that "The Fifth Element" cleverly mirrors from our own societal struggles. We humorously debate the impracticality of an anarchist society, joke about the inevitability of power struggles, and imagine ourselves in the film making better choices. Tune in for a rollercoaster of humor, critique, and nostalgia that celebrates the timeless appeal of this iconic movie.

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Ryan Baron North (00:00):
all right, let's get into it.
So, hey everybody, welcome tohigh and dry podcast, the only
podcast keeping alive the fandomof The Titus Show, um we don't
talk about these beforehand.

James Crosslin (00:11):
I I wasn't expecting The Titus Show.
Very funny yeah that's itseriously.
Trailer trash it's, and trailertrash really loved the show,
like my family loved that showthe title show yeah, all you
have to do is like look back atit and it's just like asking you

(00:33):
to love dysfunctionalrelationships and be beholden to
people who are pieces of shitand and be impulsive and deal
with impulsivity instead of tryto correct it.
It's a fucking Chris Titushorrible, fucking comedian,
terrible show, fuck that.

Ryan Baron North (00:55):
Top to bottom, yeah, so, as you guys can tell,
we won't actually be talkingabout Titus show, barring what
we just went into.
We are a comedy philosophypodcast and we're going to be
today.
We're going to be talking aboutthe fifth element, starring
bruce willis and, uh, milajovovich and, um, chris tucker.

(01:16):
We're going to be diving intothat and we're going to do,
mostly chris tucker mostly christucker and we're going to be
doing a three-part method.
First we're going to start with,uh, just our initial thoughts,
and then we're going to jump onthe golden path for some high
thoughts, and then we're goingto bring it home with a what if,
where we're inserting ourselvesdrugs and or alcohol into the
film.
And what makes it so fun andspecial my thick kings listening

(01:37):
in is that we will be doing itdrunk and high.
So, james, what are you smoking?

James Crosslin (01:44):
I've got some Kush Mountain because I've
horribly injured my ankle and ithas anti-inflammatory
properties because of thecaryophylline, which is a
terpene in cannabis and, yeah,ones that are really high in
caryophylline help withinflammation.

(02:04):
Who said that you don't learnanything on?

Ryan Baron North (02:11):
this show.
It's true, it's all.
It's all weed related, though.
Um, I'll be joining you withknob creek, uh nine you said
knob I said, uh, uh, aged nineyears.
Let's see, it's 100 proof.
So 100 horsepower on this badboy.
It's not bad, made in ClaremontKentucky.
I'm excited to see how thisgoes.

(02:33):
Something a little new.
I know I've been hitting theold Forester pretty hard lately.

James Crosslin (02:39):
I'm glad you're trying something new.
See how it goes.

Ryan Baron North (02:41):
Yeah, so this first one goes out to the film
today.
Fifth Element and oh, GaryOldman.

James Crosslin (02:48):
Yeah, gary Oldman's there too.
True, true Cheers, oh my.

Ryan Baron North (02:58):
Mine's pretty good.
I'm still taking mine in.
We're also the only show thattakes these celebrated bourbons
and turns them into quick shots,ah, but I mean, it's always the
second one that, really, whenyou're just shooting bourbon,
it's the second one that givesyou the true taste of what we're
dealing with here.

(03:18):
Yeah, initially, though, it'sgot a lot of flavor.

James Crosslin (03:22):
There's a lot going on here I gotta tell you
it's always the first hit ofweed where you get all the
flavors, and this, thesubsequent ones, taste more like
ash.

Ryan Baron North (03:33):
Okay, yeah, so the first, the first hit's
always the best on weed allright, yeah, I uh, yeah, I
couldn't tell you, couldn't tellyou you used to smoke tobacco
out of a pipe.

James Crosslin (03:46):
Yeah, that's true.
So I think you kind of knowright.
It's usually the first onewhere you get all the flavors
and then the rest kind of takeit After that.
The smoke kind of coats yourmouth.

Ryan Baron North (03:56):
Oh yeah, my biggest problem always with the
smoking was just the flavor thatwas in my mouth for like two
days after.
Yeah that was in my mouth forlike two days after.
Yeah, I hate it.
I can't stand that part of itthere's not enough like
listerine in the world to knockit out either.
Um so now it's time for oursecond hit, second toast, and
this one is going to go out toour newest listeners.

(04:17):
We are lighting up in la andnorth hollywood ah la, and north
isle cheers right around theright in my backyard yeah,
they're looking for some indiekind of presentation out there
that can take over where thetitus show left off yeah, I mean

(04:38):
we're the closest uh piece ofmedia to the titus show.

James Crosslin (04:43):
Yeah, easily.
We both came from dysfunctionalfamilies, that's for sure.

Ryan Baron North (04:50):
Ooh, and this third one.
Let's line up our third one.
What's this one?
Oh, I remember this third one.
Ooh, wow, the flavor on thatone really comes in.
I think got a very strongbarrel flavor to it.

(05:14):
They want you to know that wespent a lot of time.
Oh, I almost poured an extrashot into that.

James Crosslin (05:21):
That would have been a than a big gulp it's like
they want you to know that youcould be chewing a piece of wood
, right?
Now instead of instead ofdrinking alcohol.

Ryan Baron North (05:32):
All right, exactly, but you're not going to
get the same effect.
So here's a third sauce, thirdhit as written.
So knob creek.
I enjoy it very much.
It's a solid flavor, but it's avery, very powerful flavor to

(05:55):
just be knocking back yeah, isthat one that's supposed to be?

James Crosslin (06:00):
that's supposed to have an ice cube in it?

Ryan Baron North (06:02):
probably, I think so I would say so if
you're doing the uh knob creekbourbon nine uh yeah, put an ice
cube in it, a little bit ofspring water I think, uh, yeah,
I think a lot of people are real, uh are real snobbish about not
doing it.

James Crosslin (06:16):
I'm pretty sure, uh, for me it always tastes
better with an ice cube.

Ryan Baron North (06:20):
I don't know don Don't get me wrong, I drink
a lot of straight, neat whiskey.
Uh um, but your bourbon is boldenough to handle whatever you
want to put in it, All right.
So it's time to jump into it.
As we've already kind ofdiscussed, we're going to be
talking about fifth element,Bruce Willis 19.

(06:43):
I don't know.
I'm 97, I think Really, are yousure?
Can we put a bet on it?
I'm going to say 94.
I'm going to say 95.
95.

James Crosslin (06:55):
Fifth, Element.

Ryan Baron North (06:57):
I shot it too low 1997.
Okay, there you go.
Well, so you won that one, allright.
Yeah, there you go.
Uh, well, so you won that one,all right.
Good night everybody.

James Crosslin (07:10):
Taking the L and going home, yep.

Ryan Baron North (07:13):
I just don't have it in me.

James Crosslin (07:14):
So all right, let's let's.
I needed this, I needed this.

Ryan Baron North (07:21):
You could have told me any date.
Uh, all right, so fifth element, james, initial thoughts.
How'd you like it?

James Crosslin (07:29):
uh, I liked it so I actually watched watched it
in preparation of this podcastwith someone who had never seen
it before, really.
So, yeah, it's one of myfriends, gian.
I watched it with Shara and hiswife and uh, and he'd never
seen the movie before and he wasexpecting a gritty sci-fi movie

(07:53):
Negative.
He did not know what the fifthelement was and it was really
fun to kind of talk to him aboutit and see how he felt about it
throughout.
Uh, first thing to note greatmovie.
I love the prop work.
I think the prop work isamazing.
But they did they took so muchtime to build this intricate
world with sets and everythingthere.

(08:13):
The clothing design is reallygreat.
The cgi is ass.
Cgi is absolute ass.
It was and listen, jurassicpark had cgi and it was better
than this and that was fouryears earlier.
There were ways there werepeople doing better cgi.

(08:34):
This is just bad cgi.
Um, but all the other shit'sgreat.
Uh, chris rock steals the showhalfway through.
I mean, uh, chris tucker, I'msorry, yes, chris tucker, shit,
I'm already high man.
Uh, chris tucker steals theshow halfway through and he

(08:54):
comes in as ruby rod.
He just fucking uh blows up thescreen, he, he takes all the
the those looks away from brucewillis yeah, he definitely.

Ryan Baron North (09:05):
He was a showstopper in this one, without
a doubt, and it was definitelythe film that launched a
thousand mila jovovich's asbadass female films you say that
, but you know why.

James Crosslin (09:22):
She's badass female films like her husband is
the one who directs all thoseresident evil movies oh for real
yes, so he just puts her as thelead in all the the resident
evil movies.

Ryan Baron North (09:35):
It's her husband damn I need to marry
some dude like that.
What the?
Fuck coppola or something.
Well, she also did Ultraviolet.

James Crosslin (09:49):
Was she.
Salt, or is that someone else?

Ryan Baron North (09:52):
Salt was Scarlett Johansson.
No, Salt was Angelina Jolie.

James Crosslin (10:00):
Okay.

Ryan Baron North (10:02):
Scarlett Johansson did the.
I hate this premise.
I absolutely hate this premisewhere unlocking your brain.
Unlocking your brain to 100 oh,I hate it.
So it's so dumb and we keepreturning.
Like every every five yearsthere's a movie where what if we
could use 100 of our brain atthe same?

James Crosslin (10:22):
time you use 100 use 100% of your brain.

Ryan Baron North (10:26):
You would just be really good at multitasking.
That is it.
That is all.
Oh my god, I hate it.
It drives me crazy.
It drives me crazy.
You use different parts of yourbrain for different things.
That's all it will allow you todo, anyway, anyway, scarlet,
giant Jesus.

James Crosslin (10:44):
Christ.
So what do you think about thismovie?

Ryan Baron North (10:49):
Unlocked or whatever.
It was terrible, no.
So Fifth Element yeah, I loveit.
I've loved it since I was a kid.
I saw it really early on andyeah, no, I love it to death, I
agree.
And yeah, no, I love it todeath, I, I agree.
What I love most about it islike you had a writer who jumped
in, set, set people um, prop,design all these things, and

(11:14):
they're like we are going tocreate a culture.
We are going to create, uh,things that are important to
this society.
Yeah, we are going to investinto this world for just a
one-off man.
The the marvel cinematicuniverse hadn't happened yet,
but they did the same level ofbuilding for just this one

(11:35):
fucking thing and it's gonna beawesome.

James Crosslin (11:38):
And it was a lot of throwaway jokes too, which I
thought was very funny.
Like they built, they built abunch of props and shit for
throwaways like the mcdonald's,like the mcdonald's giants that,
like the whole wall is amcdonald's advertisement and
then the, the, the, uh, the, theemployee leans out with like
their whole cleveland showingthey're like, dressed up like

(12:00):
flight attendants I was likegood, well, I love that, uh,
ruby rod for just a minute there.

Ryan Baron North (12:09):
So this thing came out in 97 and all the way
up until 2015 it seemed likeruby rod didn't make sense.
And then here comes tiktok,uh-huh and the return of this
over the top.
Let me stop you randomly to askquestions.

(12:30):
You got like he has his cellphone is just this little piece
that goes towards his mouth andhe's got his boys and everything
like that, and he is the nextstage of what those dumbass
tiktok interviews are be.
They fucking nailed it.
They nailed it.

James Crosslin (12:46):
They did, absolutely nailed it.
But I think the dumbass TikTokinterviews have been a thing we
don't watch.
We don't watch entertainmenttelevision.
I think they've been doing thaton entertainment television for
a while.
So, like the E Channel and shitlike that, they'll run up to
stars and celebrities and askthem questions.

(13:06):
Have you ever seen this is aplug for one that I do like have
you seen Billy on the street?
Do you know Billy Eichner?
I mean, maybe if I saw him, heused to do like a celebrity and
person on the street.

Ryan Baron North (13:21):
Oh, you mean yes, yes, I, yes, yes, I do.

James Crosslin (13:27):
I do remember him and I think, I think he
really exemplified.
He's almost like ruby rod, he'salmost a ruby rod like
character he's and I.
I loved his show billy on thestreet.

Ryan Baron North (13:38):
He's been doing it for like 10 years or
whatever well, I I could seeruby rod is the year, I think
what was it?
2500 in that region I don'tknow well, but yeah, you gotta,
you got.
If we like we did a spin-offmovie on ruby rod, we would see
him like tangling with the 500years from now.

(13:58):
Andrew tate um, we'd see him inthe sort of like jake
paul-esque, um, random fucking,just promos and shit like that.
Instead of fighting mike tyson,he decided that he was going to
bang princesses on the moon andyeah, and that, and that's what

(14:19):
we have here and I I thinkthat's fantastic.
We created, they created aculture and they weren't far off
at all yeah, seriously, theywere not far off at all.

James Crosslin (14:29):
And the militarized police, the uh like
yeah, the hyper, I thought thehyper militarized police were
really and and incompetent,right bumbling they, they nailed
it, they did a lot of damageand didn't help anyone.
No one, not like accuratefucking soul.

Ryan Baron North (14:48):
Oh, they killed it.
Well, it sounds like we'realready getting into our, uh,
our high thoughts here.
I mean, I feel like we just, wefucking just jumped the fence
and here we are.
Yes, so let's pour one more.
Out here is to the fifthelement, nailing it more than I
think they intended.

James Crosslin (15:10):
I mean, there was obviously care that went
into this movie, right, Someonecared about this movie and it
really shows.

Ryan Baron North (15:20):
Well, I wonder , I mean, is there any artist
who starts developing portionsof a dystopia, hoping that
that's what goes down?
Or you know, you think they'rehoping.
I don't think they're hoping.
That's what I'm saying.
Well, yeah, here's to us notbecoming that dystopia, but most
likely becoming that dystopia,Cheers.

James Crosslin (15:45):
Oh my.

Ryan Baron North (15:46):
Yeah, oh, that Knob Creek's got a lot of
fucking flavor for this.
Oh, that's 100 horsepower.
I'm doing this for the fans,all of our thick kings out there
.
Um, that's uh triple c thick ohyeah, that's four shots now of
100 horsepower.
I do it for you guys.
All this drinking only for,only for you guys.

(16:08):
Only for you guys.
I don't know what's happened inmy life anyway.
So it's time now for part two.
It's time to delve into ourdeep, high and drunk thoughts of
this movie.
We already started.
No matter what we, it takes usthree seconds to start heading
towards the dystopia of whatwe're dealing with here.

(16:29):
But here we are.
So, james, what are your goldenpath thoughts?

James Crosslin (16:37):
My thoughts on this movie.
I think, yeah, we're reallyleaning toward talking about the
dystopia in this portion.
It's a very interestingdystopia they've built.
It's a dystopia that I reallyenjoy, like when we played
Shadowrun.
It's almost like aShadowrun-type setting where

(16:57):
everything's ultra-corporatized,Everybody's simple pleasures
are worse, I thought was a veryinteresting touch.
Like the cigarettes, there's athere's.
They're unenjoyable becausethere's a super long filter
which ha very funny.
Like that's not where it went.
Um, I thought that was.
I thought that was a very funnygag uh but the simple pleasure

(17:21):
is less enjoyable.
What other ones did I have?
I had other examples, but I'mvery high now, but everything
was a little bit dirty.
Yeah, everything was just alittle bit like ah, there's just
so much to do and there's somuch that needs to be attended

(17:43):
to and we've overbuilt ourselves.
Yeah, I thought that was allreally cool hyper corporatized.
I love that there was a giantcroquettes company like this
company, gemini croquettes.
I did not remember this, butthat's the company that's giving
away the trip that.
That built that.
Bruce willis wins and um, andthey even have her like standing

(18:08):
with a box of gemini croquettesand it's like a frozen
croquettes brand is what allthis is revolving around.

Ryan Baron North (18:15):
They've been blasting her name on the radio
for hours like this giantcroquettes brand I love, uh, I
love love where he's like yourigged the competition and the
military's like old tricks arethe best tricks.
Well, for my drunken thought, Iwould like to just look at this

(18:38):
man's apartment.
Yeah, we didn't know what Uberwas going to be yet, but if we
had to update this the oh my God, 20 years, then he'd be an Uber
driver.
Right, he'd be a vet Uberdriver.
I love looking at his apartment.

(18:59):
I love the automatic assumptionthat whatever relationship he
was in didn't work.
Oh, yeah, he's in thisapartment.
And then when, and so I wouldlike to know.
So when you had his priorcommanding officer show up at
his apartment, he says niceplace.

(19:20):
I would like to know if thatwas being facetious.
I would like to know if thatwas being facetious.
I would like to know if hemeant that sincerely, because if
he did mean it sincerely, Iwould accept that as well.

James Crosslin (19:32):
I don't think he did.
I don't think he did mean itsincerely, because later we get
to see the priest's apartmentand his apartment is much nicer,
it's much roomier, that's true.
Yeah, and cleaner it lookscleaner, that's roomier, that's
true.
Uh, yeah, and cleaner, it lookscleaner, that's true that's
true.

Ryan Baron North (19:48):
Well, I like how the money continues to just
be in religion.
Yeah, well, I guess just mydrunken thought then is just a a
feeling of understanding forthis random fucking military vet
living in a shitty apartment,you know sitting there talking

(20:10):
about his.
You know the things he's lostand all that kind of crap, and I
love the cat who watches TVwhile he's away.
Yeah is just so convenient, fromthe shower to the bed that
makes itself to uh, just allthese things that are automated

(20:32):
for his just like hey, continueyour drudgery, yeah, yeah I'm
gonna make it easy for you to bemiserable.
Yes, let me ease your miserynot by relieving the misery, but
making it easier for you to bemiserable I, you know I would be
happy with that.

James Crosslin (20:51):
Give me all the toys to make me to make to
lessen my, my misery a little.
Give me the tools.

Ryan Baron North (20:58):
Give me the tools, dear god.
That would, yes, yeah, if, ifyou know and this is, this is
coming from a bunch of we're, Iguess we're middle millennials,
um are we, I don't know, yeah,we're middle millennials.
The old, the elder millennialsare in their 40s oh yeah but
yeah, at this point, like whenyou're in your 20s, you're like

(21:20):
no, I'm gonna find a way to beatthis.
And then, by the time you getto your mid-30s, it's just like
give me the tools to be a partof this drudgery without so much
pain.

James Crosslin (21:34):
Dear god, it's crazy how your perspective
changes over just a few years oh, it's insane, oh my god.

Ryan Baron North (21:42):
I remember being a dumbass 20 something and
just like, oh, oh, let's burnit down.
And now I'm just like, oh myGod, let me be in the fifth
element.
Make my bed for me, make it,make it automated.
I don't have the time.
Put those giant filters on mycigarettes.
Those giant filters on mycigarettes.

(22:05):
Forgive me a ruby rod and I'lllisten to the radio for ruby rod
.
They still use radio and, deargod, let me meet Mila Kunis.
Not Mila Kunis, jesus Christ.
Mila Jovovich, I'll take a MilaKunis too.

James Crosslin (22:23):
Well, no, she just all that shit came out
about that 70s show I think ifyou, if you probably, if you
learn anything about milajovovich, you wouldn't want to
be with her either, probably not, but she's got a that outfit
that's just strips of medicaltape yeah, yeah, he uh uh.
My friend who hadn't seen itwas surprised.

(22:44):
He was like I didn't know whatthat was.
I didn't know it was just thethermal tape, because he'd seen
the outfit.
The outfit's like a culturalstaple.

Ryan Baron North (22:54):
Oh yeah, you go to any Comic-Con and you're
going to find dudes dressed asLilo.

James Crosslin (22:58):
As Lilo.

Ryan Baron North (22:59):
yeah, yeah, but he's like I didn't know that
.
It was just like the thermaltape from the machine.
That's all it was.
That's all.
And what's wild is this ispg-13.
But you see nip, oh yeah, yousee lots of nips.

James Crosslin (23:15):
I didn't own this movie.
I think I might have onlycaught this movie on television.
So I got the surprise.
So I didn't really I didn'tremember nips everywhere.

Ryan Baron North (23:26):
Oh, let's go, yeah, no, no, yeah.
For those of you who haven'twatched this yet, mila jovovich
circa 1997.
Nip, yeah, there's your mr skinportion of this fucking show uh
, fun joke that they did uhabout that.
Let's talk about, let's talkabout joe mitch in 1997.

James Crosslin (23:48):
Wait a second.
What?
When, uh, the general is likeI'm just taking some pictures
for the archives no, that's notthe joke that I was gonna say
that uh, yeah, yeah, that'spriest, that's uh cornelius yeah

(24:09):
, uh, ash from alien, his uh.
Mila jovovich uh says, or uh, he, uh, he.
He and mila jovovich talk abouthim posing as her husband and
he goes.
Oh no, I'm far too old.
Bruce willis was 22 years olderthan mila joe fish when this
movie was shot, but he was like20 years old and he was able to

(24:34):
get into a.

Ryan Baron North (24:35):
Uh, okay, that fuck.
Honestly, that gave me a lot ofhope.
If he was 42 there he's stillable to helm this sci-fi fucking
adventure.
Oh, thank god I've accomplishednothing in my 34 years.
I still got till I'm 42 where Ilook all right in a sleeveless

(24:58):
but you're not a movie star, doyou?

James Crosslin (25:00):
do you still want to be a movie star?
That?

Ryan Baron North (25:02):
sounds terrible to me I'm.
I'd still love it, but pull meout of this fucking drudgery
Anytime, anytime.

James Crosslin (25:10):
Alright, well, shit.
What was I going to say?
I don't remember.
There's something else Badrelationships, more Should have
chosen someone closer to her age.

Ryan Baron North (25:24):
Let's talk about that for a minute.
So, um, yeah, so yeah, she wasonly.
Was she only 20 in this film?

James Crosslin (25:33):
I think she was only 20 I'll double check, but
anyway, continue your thoughtwell, yeah, I mean.

Ryan Baron North (25:40):
So.
Yeah, there's definitely a.
There's a point on one side ofthe aisle that you know two
adults consent all that kind ofthing.

James Crosslin (25:51):
They started filming when she was 20.
She was 22 when it came out.

Ryan Baron North (25:56):
But like I'm not going to hold it against
either of them, the role like.
So, if I was a 20 year old manand we were in a society that
was dominated by females, I wasoffered this role.
The wolf in question.
She's in her 40s yeah I'm gonnafucking do it.

(26:17):
I'm gonna fucking do it.
I don't, I don't judge me, uh,mila, at all.
Well, you, shouldn't.

James Crosslin (26:24):
That's not.
That wasn't what I was sayingat all.
There's no instance where WillI judge?

Ryan Baron North (26:31):
I guess Brusina, brusina Willius, maybe
a little, maybe a little.

James Crosslin (26:38):
It's also not him, it's also the Hollywood
structure.

Ryan Baron North (26:42):
It's the structure.
So no, I would judge neither ofthem.
But at the same time I wouldn'twant to take away the freedom
of a 20-year-old to bang theshit out of a 90-year-old
because they want a house.
You know, this economy isfucked up.

James Crosslin (26:58):
Yeah, and this dystopia is an extension of our
current fucked up socioeconomic,own socioeconomic system yeah,
it's like if what we have nowjust kept going exactly, and
it's kind of surreal and it'salso what's gonna happen.

Ryan Baron North (27:12):
That's what's gonna happen there's no event I
predict on the horizon that isgoing to stop this train of
events we are on.
We as as a society, don't stopanything until utter catastrophe
.

James Crosslin (27:28):
They had the lower city portion.
You know, a common trope infuturistic dystopian sci-fi Is
that part yeah?
They had a lower city thatdidn't get sunlight, that had
trash everywhere.

Ryan Baron North (27:43):
Oh yeah, no, and we could do a whole film.
We could pick a couplecharacters, we could throw in a
love interest and we could do afilm on people, because you know
there's people living downthere.

James Crosslin (27:56):
Yeah, oh yeah.
There's people living downthere and it really sucks for
them.

Ryan Baron North (28:00):
And that movie would be rated R.

James Crosslin (28:02):
Yeah, for sure.

Ryan Baron North (28:04):
Yeah, without a doubt.
You know there is a culturebeneath the smog.
Yeah, and it's really desperate, super, fucking desperate.
You know it's like.
I mean this new Fallout serieshas come out and the entire
fucking theme of the new Falloutseries was everything's fine

(28:26):
until you got to survive.
Yeah, and yes, people makechoices, uh, when they get
desperate yeah, yeah, no, and II don't blame any of them um.
Desperation is a wild fuckingthing.

James Crosslin (28:45):
Yeah, yeah, feeling desperate really affects
your body and mind.

Ryan Baron North (28:50):
Without a doubt, no, you'll.
You'll feel yeah, no.
When desperation kicks in, youwill do things that you wouldn't
have done yesterday.

James Crosslin (28:59):
Yeah.
Your body goes into your bodygoes into fight and flight.
You have like physicalreactions when you're feeling
desperate.
Yeah, it's kind of it's.
It's one of the reasons that,like conservatives, flip out
when they hear that their lifeis going to change in some way.
They have like a physicalreaction, it's a desperation,

(29:21):
and the problem is they don'thave any discipline, right, they
don't have any discipline aboutwhat triggers these feelings of
desperation.
And, uh and and that's whattriggers their freak outs is
that feeling of desperation?

Ryan Baron North (29:36):
Um, without a doubt, and if you like, so I
I'll think of um.
I mean, let's talk about, likethe Faustian bargain, where you
find yourself at this point ofdesperation where you're
thematically willing to sellyour soul, um, and that that's
what it is, and people who'venever been at that point where

(30:02):
you're willing to sort of like,give it all, I don't care, I
just give it all to stop thepain, to stop the hurt, to let
me survive in this fucking world.
We'll never understand thatconcept, but it's a very, very
real concept.
Yeah.

James Crosslin (30:22):
We can all imagine it.
We can all imagine getting tothat point.
I'm not actually sure we canall imagine it.
I think that this is the thingthat really separates a lot of
people in humanity is that somepeople are just really bad at
empathizing and puttingthemselves in other people's
shoes yes, and so they havetrouble actually relating to

(30:45):
those people and thesefuturistic situations and how
they're analogous to our currentsituations.

Ryan Baron North (31:02):
survival and the desire to survive could come
in so many different forms.
What?
What is a terrible thinghappening to one person might
not feel the same to anotherperson.
I mean, like, just take anygiven situation and some people,
their experiences and theirpasts, allow them to deal with

(31:25):
it better than the person who'sstanding next to them yeah and
that.

James Crosslin (31:30):
And that doesn't say that one person is better
than another person.
It just says you two people aredifferent and for one of you,
this is for this situation.
It is very difficult for you.
I should help you and thenyou'll help me when my very
difficult situation comes up,because maybe you handle that
better and that's all we have todo Exactly.

Ryan Baron North (31:52):
I mean, you and I have been friends for 20
years and I think we've seenjust in each other.
Different situations affect usvastly differently.

James Crosslin (32:03):
Yeah, that's true vastly differently.

Ryan Baron North (32:10):
Yeah, that's true, you know like I mean for
me.
Uh, you know, my originaldivorce, for example, was put me
into a mentally life or deathsituation of just pure and utter
despair.
But then you'll meet someonewho, like, experienced life in
such a way where, if theyrecognize that something needs
to be let go of, they just doyeah.

(32:33):
And it's not a question of thesituation itself, it's a
question of the person and whatthey have been.
I don't want to say bread, butlike how their experiences have
shaped them.
Exactly, exactly, and so it justcomes down to the experiences
that you've had and how theydefer to the person next to you.

(32:55):
So you might be, so a floodmight hit emotionally and you're
five feet tall, the water issix feet tall.
A person who's seven foot tallisn't going to experience it the
same way that you are yeah, andthey could give you a hand.

James Crosslin (33:10):
But when there's like low hanging branches, you
can.

Ryan Baron North (33:15):
You can pull them down that's right, and so
they don't get there alone yeah,you can pull them down to help
them.

James Crosslin (33:23):
Not see, we all have different experiences.
It's like, uh, it's like thatstupid uh meme with all the
animals, and they're like allright, we're gonna judge how
great everyone is by climbing atree.
And the monkey's like fuck yeah, the fish is like oh, no, um,
and it's that simple empathythat I think I don't.
I think there's some people outthere who can't even draw that
analogy, where they're likepeople from different

(33:45):
backgrounds have differentstrengths.
When you ask them to dodifferent things, they're just
like oh no, obviously the monkeywins this one.

Ryan Baron North (33:50):
The monkey should rule society well, hold
on a minute, let's think aboutthis, exactly, exactly, and and
yeah, no, and that's, that'sdefinitely.
I don't even know if we'retalking about fifth element
anymore at this point.

James Crosslin (34:07):
Jesus christ, um , it's about the amazing
dystopia they built.
All of these things are liketrue in this dystopia.
They've done a really amazingjob.

Ryan Baron North (34:16):
They built a world.
They did.
They built a fantastic world umthe world that is too
reflective of our world.
It is incredibly reflective, andwhat's so fucking wild about it
is that there's no source book.
Yeah, you know, like if youhave a company these days who

(34:37):
puts this level of effort intothis universe, you're going to
walk into a fucking comic shopor you're going to walk into a
game store and you could pick upthe source book and you could
like dive in to every littleniche of this universe.
And that's what's so wild, Iguess, about 1997, is that?

(35:01):
No, we did that for an hour anda half, just.
Eventually Chris Tucker showsup.

James Crosslin (35:09):
Yes, that's so true.
This was just a one productthing.
I mean, maybe they put outaction figures and stuff.
I bet they tried to getproducts.
I haven't seen any of them.
We'll have to swing througheBay.

Ryan Baron North (35:22):
Yeah.

James Crosslin (35:22):
I haven't seen any of them.
But yeah, it's like a one-offthing, and then they built a
huge world about it.

Ryan Baron North (35:28):
And speaking of dead fandoms, yeah, we're the
last podcast that still checkson eBay to see what's going on
eBay's pretty good for somethings, but I don't use it right
.
Who does?
I don't know anyone who doeseveryone's Facebook marketplace
now yeah, I don't know.
I don't know either.

James Crosslin (35:48):
I think it was something car parts I think car
parts are ebay's good for saywhat it is now.

Ryan Baron North (35:56):
I don't know.

James Crosslin (35:56):
Jesus culture and the way we move and maneuver
is just so bizarre yeah, it'sreally hard to predict, but
fifth element built a greatreflection that seems, uh, seems
possible.

Ryan Baron North (36:13):
Seems possible for us to end up in this world
and even though it's likesurreal and crazy so I mean, I
guess 20 years is still sort ofa small shot, but 20 years later
they definitely fucking nailedit yeah the only thing they
missed on is that they didn'trealize the cigarette filter

(36:34):
wasn't gonna get bigger.
Just eventually we'd be suckingon a computer right.

James Crosslin (36:40):
Yeah, they really that.
You're right.
That's exactly where theyfailed, is?
They didn't they kept, theystill did a bunch of analog
things, uh, instead of justmaking everything computerized.
Uh, that's exactly right.
Or they mentioned a phone book.

Ryan Baron North (36:54):
They mentioned the phone book, said that, said
that you live here, which Ifound very funny well, I choose
to believe that in 25 whateverthere is an app called phone
book, and that's what they'rereferring to.
It's an app that you throw onto your whatever's implanted

(37:16):
into your eyeball and it itshows you where people you're
interested in stalking live.
Because mark zuckerberg wonthat one case back in 2200.

James Crosslin (37:29):
Yeah he's allowed to.
They're actually allowed to putads in your dreams.

Ryan Baron North (37:34):
You signed, you agreed to the terms and
conditions by being born exactlyyeah, as a baby, you're about
to be pushed out of the womb andthere's a thing where it's like
do you accept the terms andconditions?

James Crosslin (37:49):
of your life.
He was born at meta hospital.

Ryan Baron North (37:56):
Yeah and saint saint meta, saint meta and the
baby's just like moving itshands and doctor it hits, doctor
.
That's a confirmation you saw it, you saw it.
If you hit yes, you get to beborn, and if you accidentally
hit no, you're just launchedinto a river of sludge oh Jesus

(38:19):
Christ.
It turns into a religiousritual, like if the gods will
determine that the baby inquestion hits with its right
hand and accepts the terms andagreements.
Wow, I just said a really darkthing that I think might happen
one day it might happen.

James Crosslin (38:40):
It might happen that you know it's already what
we do with governments likestates, like the state, not like
you know whatever, like thestate government.
When you're born in a place,they're like okay, you, having
been born, have contractuallyagreed to be a citizen of this
country, yeah, and, and you nowhave to follow all of the rules
that we put forth, and if you doanything wrong, we might kill

(39:05):
you about it.
And corporations are the same.
You know they rely ongovernments and they rely on
governments, and they'reentertained, they're entangled
with legality so much that theymight as well just be extensions
of governments yeah, well, andit's nothing new.

Ryan Baron North (39:23):
We've been doing this since the 10th
century.
Yeah, I mean, the first fuckingmetacorporation was just the
ability for you to work thefarmland of a person who was
born above your station.
Yeah, and it just hasn'tstopped.

(39:45):
It just hasn't stopped.
It just hasn't stopped.
Uh, serfdom and all that kindof thing, it just hasn't stopped
there were some benefits ofserfdom that we've lost.

James Crosslin (39:57):
Yeah, there was this thing in serfdom which was
an agreement between the lowerclass and the nobility, and part
of serfdom.
This agreement was that therewere public lands where if there
was no one living there orwhatever, you could just make a
house there because it was forthe public to live on and farm

(40:19):
and stuff, and you'd make anagreement with yourself and your
neighbors and your communitythat that was the best use of
that land.
And we've lost that, that isgone.
I mean, now you have eminentdomain yeah, well, I'm sure I
think back then they probablyhad it too well, yeah, it was
just whoever had more guys and,yeah, more stabbing implements.

(40:42):
But at least they were like andno one's using that land.

Ryan Baron North (40:46):
You should, yeah, build them you should have
the house, but eventuallysomeone with guys and knives is
gonna come around and it's like,honestly, what the fuck is the
difference, the only fuckingdifference, is that we get to
live longer yeah but I mean, iflonger hoor.
Yeah, we get to do it forlonger.
We get to benefit the systemlonger.

(41:07):
Um, welcome to high and dry.

James Crosslin (41:10):
What's quickly becoming an anarchist podcast.
I'm tired.
I'm so tired, oh, I'm so tired,oh my God, I've identified as
an anarchist for a long time.
I uh, it's tough, it's tough,it's tough living in this world
it really is.
It's tough to always have thisstress of being ruled hanging

(41:39):
over you.
It feels bad.

Ryan Baron North (41:42):
And life could be better, I feel, if we didn't
have to feel this.
I will say if we're going to beAgain this podcast is talking
about the fifth element, butanyway it's relevant.
I've gotten to the point whereI understand that if we do
finally achieve that in thisanarchist society, james, you

(42:02):
should probably go ahead andkill me.

James Crosslin (42:04):
Okay.

Ryan Baron North (42:05):
Just put one oh there will be purges.
Put one in the back of my brainbecause I am dangerous.

James Crosslin (42:13):
Yeah, people will notice that you're clawing
for power pretty early.

Ryan Baron North (42:18):
You don't have to worry about it.

James Crosslin (42:19):
Someone's going to kill you, if not me, then
some other comrade.

Ryan Baron North (42:25):
Well, that's what we said about, uh, society
since the beginning is thatsomeone will recognize us and
take me out.
But no, I will quickly become acult leader, becoming a leader,
becoming just fucking emperor.

James Crosslin (42:37):
So, james, kill me we have to have an agreement
where you kill yourself wellthen you I mean you're gonna, so
then that's, we all standaround it's a ceremony.

Ryan Baron North (42:49):
It's a ceremony where you kill yourself
and it's gonna be that scenewhere, yeah, we agreed on this,
but I've become too evil yeah,you know coming up in a a few
days you ready, you ready well,yeah, james, of course I am, and

(43:13):
but oh, it's so I don't knowlike when, when does the good
guy kick in?

James Crosslin (43:21):
um, your murder squads have done a lot of good
for the people, exactly, butit's time to end them.

Ryan Baron North (43:29):
Yeah, and you know, it's that scene where
you're like, hey, you agreedthat you'd kill yourself as
you're being dragged away by mymurder squad.
Hey, you said, man, I'm like,eh, society had to change

(43:51):
eventually.
Yeah, that's every military coupin history exactly and how do
you, how do you prevent that?
I don't know, because becausethe people who have that level
of charisma, that level of drive, that level of desire that all
those things will eventuallyreach the point where it's like

(44:13):
I need to die, and they're goingto be like.
But I'm not going to, thoughI'm never going to die,
especially not on a bicycle.

James Crosslin (44:20):
That is the show thing.

Ryan Baron North (44:23):
That's the problem.
That's the problem.
That's the problem, yeah, itcomes down to.
The problem is that we're abunch of fucking half monkeys.
Um that are.
You know, some of us are neversatisfied exactly, exactly, and
I don't, yeah, and it doesn'tmake me better to acknowledge

(44:46):
the fact, because eventuallyI'll be standing there and I'm
going to do what a monkey does.

James Crosslin (44:52):
Yeah.

Ryan Baron North (44:53):
We have to.

James Crosslin (44:53):
We have to, I think, for our species to
survive.
We have to kill off everyonewho has the trait of never being
satisfied.

Ryan Baron North (45:01):
Yeah.

James Crosslin (45:01):
And they all have to die yeah.

Ryan Baron North (45:06):
Well, I when, when, sorry when you guys
finally win I'll look at, lookup at you as you're, you're
being crowned and I'm like, I'mlike, oh shit damn you fuck.
I'm like oh shit, damn FuckYou're supposed to be the one,

(45:32):
and it was just the long con.

James Crosslin (45:35):
Oh yeah, that's right.
Eventually, I'm never satisfied.
Also, it just takes a littlelonger.

Ryan Baron North (45:43):
Yeah, like fuck that is.
That's the darkest shit we'veever said.
Oh yeah, that's the darkestshit ever Listen people.

James Crosslin (45:54):
This is why you have to build horizontal
structures of power.
Nobody's allowed to be morepowerful than another person.
That's just the rule, and ifanyone says that they need more
power, everyone just grab aknife and kill that person.
That's how society has to work.

Ryan Baron North (46:12):
I was talking to someone the other day, so I'm
trapped in the Midwesternportion of this country right
now, and I was talking tosomeone the other day, and there
is just this ingrained beliefthat horizontal structure powers
don't work.
But it's like have you everbeen on?

James Crosslin (46:35):
it.
Have you ever had co-workers?
Have you have you ever hadco-workers where you had to
solve the task and nobody wasaround to boss you around or
give you advice?
All you do is you talk throughproblems and come to solutions.

Ryan Baron North (46:49):
It's so easy but we, we just can't.
We just it's been so ingrainednow by, I guess, historically
religious extremism and allthose sorts of things that, holy
shit.
We're talking about the fifthelement, so with that being,

(47:11):
religious extremism is part ofthe fifth element yeah, well, I
mean, I guess, and ideologicalmurder squads are also part of
the fifth element.
We just shouldn't have sci-fison this show, I think um,
because this quickly turns intothere's, there's some good side

(47:33):
we we loved total recall andwell I love total recall and I
had a great conversation aboutthat dystopia too.
Total recall was a fantasticepisode.
If, yeah, if, our thick Kingslistening right now.
I haven't watched the uh uh,total recall episode.
Definitely go back into thearchives on that one, um I

(47:56):
thought this was really funny,like I.

James Crosslin (47:58):
I know you're saying like this really dark,
it's dark humor we.
I think it was funny, I thinkwe had a good time well, I'm
just thinking that we ourselvesare dark at this point.
Oh um, well, we've always beendark, yeah, and if we've been
simply light-hearted people,yeah, that's true.
We've always enjoyed darkcomedy and stuff.

(48:21):
We have dark we.

Ryan Baron North (48:24):
Well, I mean, I'm not trying to blow smoke up
my own ass, but we'reempirically intelligent.
I mean intelligence leads tounhappiness.

James Crosslin (48:39):
Well, it can do that.
Yeah, I feel like there'sanother side where people even
smarter than us are happy again.

Ryan Baron North (48:49):
So you think it's like the what's that graph?

James Crosslin (48:53):
called Just a wave, just a standard deviation
of unhappiness and intelligence.
And I think, once the smartpeople, once you get so smart
again, I think things becomehappier because you can like see
the big, you can see the bigpicture better so we're

(49:16):
intelligent enough to not behappy.

Ryan Baron North (49:20):
Yeah, we're not intelligent enough to see an
even broader picture?

James Crosslin (49:26):
I can see a big enough picture that leads me to
an inevitable nihilism rightbecause you're like this is too
much right, you're like this istoo much, is unsolvable and I
can't get a grasp on it.
And I think there's people whoare smart enough to have a grasp
on it and feel better well, itjust sucks that they weren't the

(49:51):
ones put in charge yeah, theyfeel better again, they don't
have this emptiness inside themthat they have to fill, and
those are the kinds of peoplethat our culture gives power to
are the people who have anemptiness that is never, that is
unfillable I'm gonna kill somany people and then on their

(50:17):
deathbed, they're like I onlywish I'd killed more people.
I'm still empty.
I'm still empty.

Ryan Baron North (50:26):
And that's the perfect shout out to go into
our third and final portion ofthis.

James Crosslin (50:34):
That was Gary Oldman.
Right, that was Gary.

Ryan Baron North (50:36):
Oldman in the movie.
That was who he was Exactly.

James Crosslin (50:39):
He was like.

Ryan Baron North (50:39):
I have this void inside me that I'm smart
enough to have, but I'm notsmart enough to get over, right.
So time for the third portionof this, the fifth element, 1997
, mila Jovovich and Chris Rock.

James Crosslin (50:57):
Oh, that's right .
We do have a whole nothersegment.

Ryan Baron North (51:00):
Yes, it is time now.

James Crosslin (51:02):
Not Chris Rock, Chris Tucker.

Ryan Baron North (51:03):
I know that was the joke, okay, yeah, so
it's now time for our thirdportion.
What If?
So, james, you have beeninserted into the fifth element.
How does this film change?

James Crosslin (51:18):
Okay, so immediately I have to choose
which character I'm going totake the place of, and I'm
pretty sure I'm Luke Perry.
So Luke Perry is in the firstfive minutes of this movie.
He's holding the light he'sholding.
No, he's not holding the light,he's drawing.

Ryan Baron North (51:37):
He's not even holding the light, he's just
sketching.

James Crosslin (51:40):
He's sketching, he's like he's hanging around,
he's like a student or something.
He shoots one of the aliensbecause he's scared and confused
and he's from the 19th centuryor whatever.
And then he probably goes on tojust live a pretty regular life
and he gets to tell everyonethat he saw aliens and shit.

(52:03):
That's where I'd be in themovie and what I'd do.
Different is I'd not shoot thealien and that's the end of my
contribution.
Luke Perry and I'd solve thewhole movie because I didn't
shoot that alien.

Ryan Baron North (52:21):
And this yeah, no, it'd be fine.
Like, no, just keep this here.
Eventually, an asteroid willshow up, a human scared of shit
that's different than them,doesn't prevail, and all you got
to do.
I'm going to explain to you now, you don't even have to figure
it out.
Just when this meteor comes 500years from now, hit this button

(52:42):
, hit this button.
Hit this button, hit thisbutton and then hit this button
and it's going to go away.

James Crosslin (52:48):
Yeah, that's all It'd be.
It'd be great.
That's what I do, differentlyas Luke Perry, I would not shoot
the alien and we'd have it allexplained and, uh, the crisis
averted.

Ryan Baron North (52:59):
Yeah, there'd be no movie.
Uh yeah that'd be, that'd be mymovie.
No, no movie.
Well, no, even so, with you,all we would then have is a
source book where the dystopiadoesn't stop.
You just enable the dystopiaright.

James Crosslin (53:24):
Yeah, I didn't.
I didn't enable the dystopia.
The dystopia was going tohappen either way.

Ryan Baron North (53:28):
But I did stop a catastrophe much easier.
You just made it, so thedystopia has no chance of ever
being derailed.

James Crosslin (53:41):
Yeah, yeah, there you go.

Ryan Baron North (53:46):
Hell yeah, brother.
Oh my God, oh man there you goEnjoy.
This dystopia is just now morecomfortable in its own skin.

James Crosslin (54:02):
It reduced the misery a little, and that's what
I was aiming for.

Ryan Baron North (54:09):
the perfect dystopia.
Aziz had it a little earlier,back in 1932.
Oh, the doctor doesn't die.
It's all great.
He's busy collecting egyptianartifacts for the british museum
.
He passes all of hisinformation along to everyone so
they know this is exactly whenhe's busy collecting Egyptian
artifacts for the British museum.

James Crosslin (54:27):
He passes all of his information along to
everyone, so they know this isexactly when this is going to
happen.

Ryan Baron North (54:32):
Yeah, Yep and McDonald's now has just fucking
unfettered access to society.

James Crosslin (54:41):
That was so funny, man, and all the pre-made
, the pre-made burgers in thetruck.
When they collided with thetruck, all the burgers were made
, or they don't even cook themthere anymore.
No, no, it's all just.
Yeah, you get them delivered.
Oh my god um anyway, how about,how about you?

Ryan Baron North (54:59):
well for me, um well, I mean just speaking on
all this, uh like, no, Idefinitely have uh main
character syndrome, um, withouta doubt, and the problem with me
.

James Crosslin (55:12):
So you're Mila Jovovich.

Ryan Baron North (55:16):
No, not even I would never spend more than one
night in a priest's house, ohshit.
Yeah, no, no, again, I'd befucking Bruce Willis, but I
guess what would just change isthat I'm a little more

(55:39):
intelligent, right?
I mean, I guess you'd have that.
I mean, well, I have to look ather not as Mila Jovovich, but
as the supreme being, right,yeah, because, like you, tell me
that there's a 20 year oldwho's trying to get with me and
I'm like hell no hell, fucking.

(55:59):
No, I don't have enough time.

James Crosslin (56:03):
I I don't have the fucking space in my life I
have a note here that a gruffdivorced man finds a young
beautiful fish out of water whorelies on him for everything,
and that's real divorced manporn.

Ryan Baron North (56:18):
Oh my God, without a doubt.
But no me, I'm smart enough toknow.
Like no, that will turn my lifeinto a living hell.
Like yeah, this is very hot.
I don't know why they put us inthe same fucking healing pod.
They don't have more than onepod.
They wanted to watch her.
They wanted to watch us Fuck.

James Crosslin (56:40):
Yeah, Everyone all people could talk about is
how perfect her fucking body was.
It's like four times Peoplecalled her body Perfect Like,
calm down, you're alreadyshowing her tits, you don't have
to reference them every fiveminutes oh, yeah, no, and they

(57:01):
love to do it.

Ryan Baron North (57:02):
They love to do it, um, I mean the general of
the new american army.
Yeah, remember, kids c's aregreat, but but your high A's,
low B's don't sag.
And that's what the movie wasabout.
Essentially.
That's all they were.

James Crosslin (57:23):
That's what your version's about.
That's what they're.
You really lean in even more onjust about her tits in the
whole movie.
You've created a softcore porn.

Ryan Baron North (57:34):
That's all this was, and so, all right,
insert me here real quick.
Yeah, no, I I would definitelycompletely empathize with this
shitty apartment that I'm tryingto find happiness within, and
that's where it would start toalter me and bruce willis are

(57:55):
different in that I'm sittingover here trying to be good in
some way, I'm trying to findwhat's next for me and improve
myself, and then, when all thedeath starts happening, I think

(58:16):
I would be much more stealthy,like I'm not about to just like
accept that I'm bulletproof.
That's not happening.
Well, that's Bruce.

James Crosslin (58:30):
Willis.

Ryan Baron North (58:31):
Exactly.

James Crosslin (58:32):
Like a tractual requirement.

Ryan Baron North (58:34):
Yeah, and so, like me, like would be this
Corbin Dallas who had spent thelast five to 10 years going to
therapy.
I'm this messed up, I'm thisdark, I'm all these things.
How do I stop this, please?
Because, dear God, I would liketo sleep, sleep one night,
eight straight hours, withoutdrugs or alcohol.

(58:55):
How do I do that?
And then, when the death andviolence starts happening again,
it would not be this fullfrontal assault, it would be
very intelligent uses offirearms and just so you would
see these, um, what were theycalled the?
What's this enemy bulldoglooking alien race?

James Crosslin (59:19):
I don't remember what they're called.

Ryan Baron North (59:20):
Yeah, whoever they are, they'd be doing their
thing, and then it would be verysurgical murder and death.
Um, like, I'm not about tocharge in, like, with the
hostage situation no, I'm notabout to charge in at all, I'm
just.
All of a sudden they wouldstart dropping from bullets and

(59:44):
various war crimes that anintelligent person would use
because he doesn't want to die.

James Crosslin (59:50):
Yeah, bruce willis is really bullet,
everyone's bulletproof in thisyeah, except for except for lilu
, because it had to be part ofthe story no, she had to have a
vulnerability yeah, otherwisehow?

Ryan Baron North (01:00:05):
could you ever fall in love with a woman who's
invulnerable?

James Crosslin (01:00:10):
yeah, that really.
That really puts her above youand you can't have that kind of
have that.

Ryan Baron North (01:00:15):
That's yeah, we can't.
She's got to be crying an eventsomewhere eventually.
Um right, yeah, no.
And that's where my what ifwould change.
She would be the invincible oneand I would be the divorce you
get rescued by her who does somereally evil shit not to get
shot there you go, that's whatit would be, and then she'd be

(01:00:39):
looking at me and I'd be lookingat her and like, yeah, we're
incompatible, aren't we?
Yeah, she's like I don't thinkI can love you.

James Crosslin (01:00:46):
Like, yeah, no, I feel that I can't either and
then, and then, and then zorg'splan ends up working.
The evil does destroy, likebillions of people.
Yeah.
Yeah, cause you couldn'texperience love.

Ryan Baron North (01:01:08):
I get it Damn.

James Crosslin (01:01:22):
Damn damn fuck, oh shit now I get it I really
shouldn't be in a been in chargein the falling in love part
Someone else.
I'm so goddamn broken.

Ryan Baron North (01:01:39):
Ruby, you seem to love Like I'm.
So I'm broken, but I'm notbroken enough to be narcissistic
.
And now we're all going to payfor that.
Sorry, everybody, I had justenough self-awareness to
understand that I shouldn't bein a relationship with her, and
now billions of people are goingto die.

James Crosslin (01:02:03):
Well, it was the not putting yourself in her
shoes.
From her perspective, if youwant her to love her, you should
live the kind of life thatsomeone she would love would
live, and that's a life ofgoodness and attempting to help
people, yeah, and not beingcruel.

Ryan Baron North (01:02:22):
that's very incompatible well and I think,
but no, I think the tragedy ofit.
I mean I could say easily,easily, one of my biggest
problems is that I keep pouringmyself into everyone else's
glasses so they're okay andthere's nothing fucking left of
me.

James Crosslin (01:02:42):
I mean, I was, I was talking about this
assessment of why yourcharacters were incompatible.
If she was invulnerable andthere was like no way for any
kind of coercion of any kind,like the reason you two are
incompatible is because youweren't the type of person that
she wanted, right, that's thething.
Is she someone needed to toexperience love with this person

(01:03:05):
and you weren't the kind ofperson for her.
But she wants someone who islike, because you specifically
talked about doing war crimesand she would look at that and
go I don't want to be with thatperson well, that's not true.

Ryan Baron North (01:03:17):
That's not true.
Lulu literally looks up war andthen falls, then starts making
out with a soldier.
What?

James Crosslin (01:03:22):
she.
I think she looked up war andcried like she was like there's
no love falls for the dude whomurders them all, but he's not
does it without.
He is like that's how hehandles this cruel.

Ryan Baron North (01:03:35):
That's how he handles a hostage situation
walks in and puts a bullet insomeone's forehead that's not
cruel, that's violent.

James Crosslin (01:03:44):
There's there's righteous violence, but you said
you were doing war crimes andshit which is like torture, and
no, no, no, no.

Ryan Baron North (01:03:52):
I mean it in terms of I have to survive this,
I need to survive this, I needto save everyone, and I'm going
to do some terrible things tomake that happen, because I know
I'm not bulletproof.

James Crosslin (01:04:08):
Yeah.

Ryan Baron North (01:04:10):
That's what I mean.

James Crosslin (01:04:10):
You're also right that Leeloo wouldn't love
that.

Ryan Baron North (01:04:13):
She wouldn't love that, but she also wouldn't
love Bruce Willis.

James Crosslin (01:04:17):
Leeloo is willing to fight and kill people
.
She murders a bunch of thosealiens who came to stop her.
She's like a paladin.

Ryan Baron North (01:04:25):
Well then, I think what would happen then.
I think what I think the keychange then put me into the what
if?
Is that I would be sittingthere struggling with just what
occurred, and so I think thatshe bangs Bruce Willis, but I
think she falls in love with me.

(01:04:46):
I think there is a fifthelement to where there's a
person who did these fuckingthings but also looks at war,
like she did, and starts to cry.
Bruce willis wouldn't look upwar and start to cry hell.
No, he's like fuckingmasculinity.
I did what I had to do.
Um, I think me and her wouldhave more in common than bruce

(01:05:08):
willis and her did interesting.

James Crosslin (01:05:11):
Yeah, I don't know I I I'm not in the
character's head.

Ryan Baron North (01:05:15):
I have no idea yeah, I mean like I'd be
sitting next to her going, yeah,this fucking is terrible, and
we'd be lost in our fuckingfeels.
And bruce willis is like, yeah,it's all terrible, but like
fucking, that was really cool,wasn't it was he like, that was
really cool well, no, his wholeanswer to that was just well,

(01:05:35):
yeah, we do all those terriblethings, but what about love?

James Crosslin (01:05:39):
yeah, that's true yeah and yeah.

Ryan Baron North (01:05:42):
That's what I'm saying, and that's what I'm
saying.
The difference is gotcha yeah,yeah.
No, that wraps it up, so Iguess it's time for the quick
fire.
So, james, what you got, but uh, I, I have it's gonna.

James Crosslin (01:05:54):
It's time for the quick fire.
So, james, what you got, I, Ihave it's gonna.
It's gonna be the most terribleintelligent.
Imagine the most terribleintelligence.
Uh, and I was like, who do youthink is the most terrible
intelligence?
What's the first thing thatpops to your head for, like most
entire most terribleintelligence imaginable?
I don't know either, but I wastrying to put myself in that

(01:06:18):
position.

Ryan Baron North (01:06:19):
Well, I think, culturally, right now, the most
terrible intelligence.
I would also say that he's justan idiot with money.
Who Musk?

James Crosslin (01:06:30):
Oh yeah, or Jeff Bezos, I'd say either one of
them.

Ryan Baron North (01:06:33):
They're just idiots with money.
Yeah, you could.
You could be as intelligent asyou want to be if you have the
money to back it up.

James Crosslin (01:06:40):
Yeah, that's so true.
I actually have a note hereabout Elon Musk specifically.
I said Zorg's theory of lifeand destruction is the same as
the modern longtermism of peoplelike Elon Musk.
Yeah, modern long-termism ofpeople like elon musk, yeah,
long-termism hands down easily.
Yeah, they talk about uh, theyspecifically talk about, you

(01:07:01):
know, doing damage or whateverdamage in the present is
necessary to bring about abetter future.
Like that's why they're tryingto make make all the money now,
because then you can invest itin the future and it doesn't
matter how that money's made.
Like that's how long-termistsare.
Um, sam bankman freed, who wasthat big bitcoin exchange guy

(01:07:22):
that collapsed, and like andthrew the world through, through
the world into like disarrayfor a minute.
He was also a long-termist, yeah, so that's stupid.
You're stupid if you believethat.
Yes, let's see.
Uh, I have.
There's so much steam in thesespaceships.
What were you gonna say?

Ryan Baron North (01:07:43):
a lot of steam , uh, my like quick fire.
Little thought on that is.
Why do it?
Does everyone bleed?

James Crosslin (01:07:50):
sweet baby ray's barbecue sauce it's the low,
low oxygen, because all thesmoke but right is it.

Ryan Baron North (01:08:00):
Was that just me, like the blood didn't seem
the?
Blood was red yeah okay, it'slike no, he's bleeding sweet
baby rays right now.
Um, yeah, that's what I had,yep.

James Crosslin (01:08:12):
Yep, I have here , I have perfect, she's perfect,
she's perfect.

Ryan Baron North (01:08:22):
Just a fucking perfect.

James Crosslin (01:08:23):
Those bitches ain't ever going to say it was
so weird for them to say it overand, over and over.

Ryan Baron North (01:08:28):
Yeah.

James Crosslin (01:08:33):
Yeah, I said it was good that the please help
sign was in the cab, because shedidn't understand what she was
saying at all.
It would be crazy if it was,like you know, for a real estate
agent or like addiction likecall Oryx, Call Oryx.

Ryan Baron North (01:08:53):
Yeah, she got lucky.
She got really lucky.
It was please help.
Yep, yeah, she got lucky there,otherwise she's like horrocks,
what?
What do you mean?

James Crosslin (01:09:06):
I don't understand yeah, uh, let's see.
The music is all over the placein this movie.
There's no cohesion to themusic.
The music wasn't fantastic inmy opinion no, when they're
doing the first chase.

Ryan Baron North (01:09:23):
It was Hispanic, if I remember right, I
don't remember.

James Crosslin (01:09:29):
All I remember is that it was bad.
I put down a note like themusic in this movie is is
incoherent.
Yep, I can agree.
Uh, they created the robotbartender in real life, have you
I?
I, in podcasts that I listen to, I keep getting ads for this
thing called the bartesian.

(01:09:50):
It's like an artesian bar orwhatever is like the, the, the
portmanteau they're going for,and it's a robot bartender where
you buy all the stuff and thenthe and then the robot, like a
keurig machine or or like a cokemachine, you know, a, a soda
dispenser at a burger king orwhatever makes your fucking
drinks, and so that exists now.

(01:10:12):
What a big waste of oursociety's focuses and capital.
Uh, let's see, I think that'sit I think, the future of music
is synth, drums and going ohfucking nailed it that's how all

(01:10:37):
the music is nowadays.

Ryan Baron North (01:10:39):
I can't wait.
I, for one, can't wait.
That's what we're building tofolks.
There you have it.
Oh, we're high and dry.
Podcast.
I'm your host, dry and barren,north with me, as always, james
Crosland.
Bye podcast.
I'm your host, ryan baron.
North with me, as always, jamescrossland bye, bye.
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