September 24, 2025 • 60 mins
Cameron Kade's journey from promising football recruit to something much darker explores how institutions exploit young athletes and the cult-like devotion sports can demand. The film examines the dangerous allure of fame, fortune, and the cost of tunnel vision when pursuing a dream at all costs.
• Marlon Wayans delivers a standout dramatic performance as Isaiah White, breaking from his usual comedic roles
• The film uses striking cinematography, including helmet-cam shots and x-ray sequences showing physical trauma
• Jim Jeffries makes a surprising appearance in a serious role that adds to the film's exploration of exploitation
• Tunnel vision serves as both visual technique and thematic element throughout the movie
• The cult-like aspects of sports culture are made explicit through ritualistic imagery and Satan worship metaphors
• Third act becomes increasingly chaotic, leaving some viewers with unresolved questions
• Commentary on how parents can sell away their children's futures through sports dreams
• Examination of CTE and physical toll of football adds real-world relevance to the horror elements
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I'm your host, ryan Baron-North, with me, as always, james
(01:03):
Crossland, luke.
How are you guys doing thisweek?
How are we doing?
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Good yeah, no complaints.
No, nothing to rave about.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Yeah, that's pretty much how I left feeling this one
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So, for those of you joining usthe first time, we're going to
break.
All right, we have an episodehere we're going to be talking
about the movie Him.
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We're going to be talking aboutthe movie Him.
Jordan Peele produced New outthis weekend.
We're going to do this in athree-part method.
First, we're going to rate it.
We're going to give you thedefinitive score out of five,
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After that, we're going to jumponto the golden path and we're
going to break down the deepermeanings behind this film, and
then, finally, we're going toget ourselves drugs or alcohol
into the movie, and what makesit so special and fun is that
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we're going to be doing it drunkand high.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
So, fellas, what are you smoking this week?
I vote you go first this week,Sir Ryan.
I want to hear what you'redrinking first.
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Um, as you can see, I alreadyput a decent dent into it
yesterday and I'm gonna finishthat off today for this film.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
So I'm excited sounds sounds uh gross if I'm 100
honest, but I'm happy for youthis is a.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
It is a powerful beverage.
Well, I'm doing a lemonpressure.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
You know just like our lead, cameron, cade, felt in
this movie the pressure on him.
Yes, I decided to have thelemon pressure this week.
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Nice.
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And I've got uh, animal crackers.
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Speaker 3 (03:26):
Yeah, that was definitely a part of it.
Um cool, well, let's dive on inand get to this thing.
First toast, first shot, firsthit.
Line them up.
This one goes out to our filmthis week, him Cheers.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Cheers, cheers to him .
Oh boy, pretty difficult titleto work with, I bet.
Yeah, it doesn't tell you muchabout the movie I mean once I
understood why they were sayingit.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
It made a little more sense.
I don't know, maybe I'm stupid.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
I feel like in general, this movie was always
trying to have those hiddenmessages, from title to the very
ending yeah there was a lot ofsymbolism, for sure the
symbology there.
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It's time to get to this movie.
It's time to get those ratingsout there.
Luke, I'm actually curious.
I want to hear your take.
I'm watching this.
I'm excited to hear how Jamesfits himself into the movie.
I'm excited to hear how Lukerates this one.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
Okay, I can definitely start, so I'll just
go over the film, just reallybriefly.
So this is yes, it's producedby Jordan Peele, but this one
was not directed by Jordan Peele.
It's directed by Justin tipping.
Just honestly, justin tippingdoesn't have a huge filmography
to come from.
Looks like he started in 2011with a movie called nanny and
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then later directed low ridersand kicks goat.
I think it's from looks like hestarted in 2011 with a movie
called nanny, um, and then, uh,later, uh, directed lowriders
and kicks goat I think it's naninani, nani, yeah, yeah, like
that so, but yes, wasn'tactually directed by him, it's.
It's a sports horror movie where, in all honesty, I feel like
the sports get kind of lost init, almost like the real-time
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sports world that they tried tobuild.
I will say that I didn't hatethe movie just as a start.
I don't think that this is ahorror movie, thriller at best,
if I had to say, at no point didI feel scared during this movie
.
The acting though I think was astandout for it.
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I think a lot of people thoughtmarlon wayans was going to be
uh, kind of.
It was an interesting role forhim, so, agreed, agreed, it's
definitely not in his normalwheelhouse, but I think that he
did pretty well.
If I'm 100 honest in my opinion,I liked his character.
He just seemed his goal was tobe just like this unhinged
football player who dedicatedhis life and soul to the game of
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football.
Um and I.
I feel like he played thecharacter well and I like julia
fox's um character as well.
She was kind of a side thought,but I did like the times that
she was on camera.
She was the wife of marlonwayne's way.
The times that she was oncamera she was the wife of
Marlon Wayans.
Wayans character.
She was eyebrows, yeah.
So, yeah, I think the actingwas overall pretty good and I
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ended up giving that a.
The next one was thecinematography.
I also thought that it waspretty solid.
I feel like it kind of some ofthe shots in particular that I
remembered were the foot likefootball when they were all
doing that, those rowdypractices and the shots that
were coming out of the face maskand so like.
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In football they you knowthere's athletes who talk about
all the time the aspect of thehelmet and stuff in football and
how much it really does cut outyour vision and like gives you
this like tunnel vision, likenaturally, and I feel like they
actually portrayed that wellthrough a camera and I thought
that was pretty cool, which youknow.
I was interested to see howthey do it.
I also liked the x-ray shots.
(10:15):
I thought those were kind ofcool, just like see how the
impact it has on the body.
I don't know if you saw, likethe head injury.
You literally saw it go throughhis chest and his nerves, yeah,
and I was like, oh, that's kindof cool, like just like showing
the you know, larger effects ofthese, these hits, um, which I
thought was cool.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
I gave cinematography a four on the topic of the
using the inside of the helmetshot for narrow vision, that was
an overarching theme in themovie was very narrow vision
really close ups on people'seyes and stuff where you don't
get a full picture of what'sgoing on around A lot of times
where they'd zoom out and you'dsee that a lot more was going on
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around them.
But it was a very constanttheme of the tunnel vision.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
Even in that one drill where he the guy was yeah,
that one drill where he wasgetting hit in the face and he
was throwing the ball, I agree,it was like on his face close
and like you could hear theblinking and it was like so it
was like it was very close up.
Um, I thought that I did noticethat about the film as well.
Um, yeah, and it's like anencouragement of the tunnel
vision yeah, I wonder why, Idon't know it did anything for
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me.
But um, I you know it.
I did like some of the othershots.
I thought it was cool and kindof a different style than what
I've seen, but nothing thatstood out to me in this film
with the soundtrack.
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I ended up giving it a three.
It was one that was just rightin the middle for me.
I really like and I find that alot with horror movies in
general that the soundtrack isprobably not like they.
Yes, it's always going to setthat like creepy tone, but
that's just it's supposed to.
So the story soundtrack it kindof fall or a sorry kind of
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story soundtrack I wrote.
The story plot of the movie waskind of where it lost it for me
a little bit.
They did a very good job kindof early in the movie to set up
this like giant world offootball and maybe it was the
intention to then take it awayfrom that world and kind of out
in this rural area where IsaiahWhite lives.
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But for me it I, I don't knowjust lost itself.
It just became like just achaotic movie.
Um, throughout the the film andI just didn't enjoy in
throughout the hat, like,especially toward the set end of
the movie.
I'm just like like I and I kindof get there's some deeper
symbolism and I think we can getinto more of it in the golden
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path, and I feel like that'swhere some of the stuff they did
kind of interesting and well,but they lost the actual
storyline in doing that, in myopinion.
So the story is where I lost itthe most.
I gave it a 2.5 and thenrewatchability this is one that
I'd rewatch with friends.
This is maybe if they, ifsomebody else, wanted to put it
on I don't, I didn't hate it Idefinitely would be like, oh
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yeah, like, and especiallysomeone was like, oh, you didn't
get this, or like, try to watchit through this scope.
Or kind of like starshiptroopers, right, like it was one
that I watched.
I actually didn't give a goodrating.
You guys told me to watchthrough this scope.
And then I'm like, oh, wow, Iunderstand, and like was able to
appreciate it on a whole newlevel.
Maybe that's why I watched thisone again.
I don't know if that's becauseI don't know if rotten tomatoes
feels that way, but oh, I'mabout to drop some shit on you.
(13:32):
You're gonna, you're gonna wantto watch this movie again okay,
uh, and then I, but forrewatchability I gave it a 2.5
respectable, respectable, yeah,yeah it was like I said I I did
like.
At no point was I like I'm goingto fall asleep or oh, I want to
leave, Um or oh, that is a over.
It felt like pacing wasrelatively good, but just like I
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don't know, I feel like theywere like, let's like break
everybody's minds there, thecool.
I feel like they had somethingthere, though they there was
something there that they couldhave.
It was just, I don't think itexecuted super well.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
It wasn't bad, but it was could have been executed
better I think the thing is thequestions that a movie leaves
you with.
Like I'm not.
I've never upset about a movieleaving me with questions, but
the questions that leaves mewith shouldn't be inane
questions.
I shouldn't be sitting theregoing like how did they get from
this point to this point?
Or you know what exactly?
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You know what?
Speaker 3 (14:29):
was, why did they hit him with the thing in the
beginning like there was yeah,yeah, yeah like what exactly is
the?
Speaker 2 (14:36):
the kind of questions you're left asking are
incredibly important aboutwhether to judge a movie to be
good or not.
Uh, and that's a question I hadwith my wife as we walked away
from this movie- yeah, yeah,definitely.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
Well, james, did you want to do your scores then, or?
Speaker 2 (14:51):
oh sure.
So acting I thought the actingwas really good.
I thought everyone really gotthe assignment and really
delivered.
I don't think anyone droppedthe ball at all.
Even I think Jim Jeffries wasreally.
I thought it was a good rolefor him.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
For this small cast.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
I didn't expect Jim.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Jeffries to be on that list.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
That was so weird.
That was so bizarre.
Did you say it was really weird?
I didn't think it was weird atall.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
I didn't think it was weird.
I was waiting for him to tellit.
I just didn't expect it.
Yeah, and for him to just kindof be serious through the whole
thing.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
It's like oh, you just want to be I don't know.
He had a sprinkle of his SarahCassidy in there and I loved it.
I thought it fit well with thecharacter.
I literally looked at camera,said what the fuck is that Jim
Jeffries?
She had no clue who I wastalking about.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
She doesn't know Jim Jeffries brought the right tone
to that role and I thought itwas a really good.
I thought it was a very JordanPeele type role and he did
really well.
Jordan Peele, you know ofcourse this is a more horrorish
movie, but Jordan Peele knows.
Something I heard aboutcomedians is that you know
there's such a big move fromcomedians getting pulled into
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dramatic roles but you veryrarely see dramatic actors
getting pulled into comedianroles because comedians, in
order to do that job, have toreally understand the human
condition and that gives themlike, just by learning that
craft they have range but justlike, exactly because he just
proved it, he just proved it butthat is the thing.
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That is the thing.
I liked that kind of view on it.
But anyway, acting beforecinematography, I really agree
about a lot of thecinematography.
I thought there were somereally good shots.
They did a lot of like far outshots when he was feeling
isolated and they felt a lot ofclose-up shots when he was
feeling anxiety and the way thatthey, the way that they handled
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the fans, like his ownworshiper in that tunnel when he
signed it.
Whenever he was presented witha choice, they gave you a
symbolic representation of thatchoice and I like that.
This is the time where I'mwilling to sign everything away
and they did that a few timeswhere he was confronted with
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moral dilemmas and the cameratold the story.
Keep out for it.
It's great.
Uh, I give the cinematography a4.5 for the score and soundtrack
.
I thought they were pretty goodand I felt like the music
really drove the emotion of thefilm.
Like when he was gettinganxiety, they had pulsing
pressure and when he wasperforming his best they had
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really like hard driving music.
I felt it really added to itthis time and I'm gonna give it
a four.
I think.
Story, I think.
Uh, I do think that's where itkind of falls apart, like it had
me up to the third act and atthe third act it just kind of we
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, I was left with a lot ofquestions and I can kind of see.
One thing I did likespecifically about the story is
like it had a lot of metaphorsfor, like, how a child's future
can be sold away by theirparents.
Yeah, like I think it was, thatwas an interesting on college
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athletes and things like that.
I think they were into some ofthat yeah, and they're leaning
into human desire to like ire,to like uh for fame and and uh
and worship essentially willmake us put aside even our own
health, like CTE.
People have known about CTE for15 years and we still have
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people who are like it's mydream, you know?
Um yeah, big commentary on thatand on humanity.
We, of course, did all this inthe past, but I thought the plot
did a lot for those things.
But it did leave a lot ofquestions and to me it didn't
wrap up as neatly as I wouldhave liked, with enough
motivation.
It felt chaotic at the end.
So I'm only going to give it a3.5.
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And for rewatchability, I'mdefinitely going to rewatch this
.
I want to see this again.
I'm sure, like I liked a lot ofthe motifs and I liked the
jumping around to all thesesymbolic shots, I thought that
it was I've seen it done notgood and this is like this is
really good for that kind ofthing.
Uh, so back and watch, like 28days later.
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They did a lot of this jumpingaround, but it felt a little
clumsy and this was likepurposeful and executed Well.
I thought it was executed likereally well.
Yeah, kind of a punk vibe.
It's like a new era of vibemovies, but I think this one was
done really well Okay.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
So give the rewatch a 3.5.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
Okay, all right, nice , yeah, okay, yeah, so give the
rewatch a 3.5.
Okay, all right.
Um, yeah, for me.
So acting I thought was wasreally good.
I I didn't, um, necessarilyliked.
I mean, maybe it was just whocameron cade was.
To me he kind of came off aslike I don't know, just very
two-dimensional.
He was very and like he alwayshad that same sort of befuddled
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look on his face, but it neverreally amounted to anything.
So he was the only one thatreally pulled it out for me a
little bit.
But I thought Marlon Wayans wasawesome when he yelled, though
I could hear all of his othermovies where it's a little bit,
slightly like I always heard,haunted house and scary movie
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every time he was yelling.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Don't be a menace.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
Yeah, but he did great.
I thought he was awesome, soI'm happy for him.
And so, acting, I'm going togive a four.
Yeah, cinematography, I thoughtgood, very creative shots.
Um, I didn't be using like theinjury x-rays and everything
like that.
It made it feel like a what wasthat football game blitz yeah
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felt like a little combat to meyeah, mortal combat is what I
thought of too, yeah.
It's very interesting being agladiator, you know.
Yeah, it was a constant thing.
Like, yeah, man, I get it,you're the modern gladiator.
In my opinion, you're a bunchof rich dudes dancing around
each other, but you know, toeach their own.
But the cinematography, thatwas really good, some really
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good shots.
A lot of times, though, I feltthat it lost it.
But the cinematography, thatwas really good, some really
good shots.
A lot of times, though, I feltthat it lost it when, like, hey,
you have to do more than justhave your actors take a really
long time to walk down a hallway, for it to be scary.
Like, I get that you're tryingto build something here, but
like, what's the point?
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Like where's the chase and howcan we cut um for a lot of these
scenes.
For me, so, a cinematographer,you have a four as well.
Um, score and soundtrack.
I felt a lot of the time was,um, some of the sound effects,
but I felt a lot of time themusic sort of was distracted.
Um, I felt that in some thatsometimes it got in the way of
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what I was trying to watch.
I'll get to this in the story.
The movie was 90% montage.
I started to see that it's justconstant.
Are we talking?
Speaker 2 (22:17):
cinematography now.
I agree, I think that waspurposeful because it's just
constant.
Are we talking?
Are we talking cinematographynow?
Because, I agree, I think thatwas purposeful, because it's
like a kid getting draggedthrough choices.
You know, when we kind of lookback on our choices from our
youth, sometimes I feel that way.
Maybe it's a specific way thatyou might have been raised.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
I think that those montages are like almost a
tribute to sports movies ingeneral, because that happens in
any sports movie there's alwayssome montage of some good ass
ice hockey or some good ass footin any.
But this was just.
It was just montages.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
It was just montages of abs and these bros hugging it
out, and if I get it, I get it.
For me it was just sort of offputting.
But anyway, back to thesoundtrack, the soundtrack.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
I'm always down to watch some bros hug it out.
All right, I want to see, I'llsee some abs slapping together.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
Show me Some slapping abs, I'll watch it.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
I'll watch the smooth three.
You know what Change my threewatch ability to a four.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
Watch this.
My three watch ability to afour, but the score I give like
a three.
Um story.
Yeah, I thought it was 90percent montage I.
I felt that a lot of times itdidn't really know what it
wanted to do and, like james, Iwas left with a lot of like well
, why did they?
Why would you groom this guyand then just club him over the
head, like you could havedefinitely just killed him?
Speaker 2 (23:43):
right there.
Well, I thought they wanted toput him in a position where he
was willing to sign it all away.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
But you could do that with a leg or you know, felt
like a super risky gambit Risky,but maybe they had a guy that
just knew how to swing itexactly, hard enough to crack
his skull but not kill him andstill like retain the ability to
tie his shoes and use thebathroom and all those things.
It's like yeah they're likethis is gonna be a lot changing
injury, literally no differenceto his life whatsoever.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
I know, yeah, there was none like he had occasional
visions, I guess zero, zerorecovery.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
No, pt yeah, zero recovery time.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
Fair enough, he's built different.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
He's him.
You don't get it, he's him.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
The way he was able to shrug off his elbow being
shattered.
Oh yeah, he didn't use the arm.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
At least they didn't have him use the arm, thank God
I literally thought that goinginto the next scene I was like
he's gonna use the arm.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
I know he is like that arm was fucked though, and
like, yeah, it just.
It is what it is um, and then Ithought it was like a huge hop
and a skip for him, just as acharacter to wanton slaughter,
yeah like.
And he has that same fuckinglook that the actor did the
entire movie as that's why theend of it crazy is he was just
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murdering.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
I was like he's just murdering people right now like,
yeah, like yeah like a lot ofpeople.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
You knew my dad the whole time die well, what I got
from that one was that his dadactually sold it like this
wasn't his choice.
The whole time his dadsacrificed, you know, let
himself be killed or whatever,so his kid would be him sold a
soul quite like it was still amassive kid to just wanton
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murder, like that is true, seeit.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
Maybe you'd cry, maybe you'd you know, you'd
refuse and some like.
But like just murder, I don'tknow.
But at the same time he wasgoing through a massive head
trauma.
Maybe that was part he's notacting like himself, maybe that
beast inside of him from marlonwayne's blood, you know, but I
don't know, I shoot up.
He did just murder all the timeand I so.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
It's addictive it's addictive murdering people.
You do it once it, once you pop, you just get down, that's what
they say.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
It's like a bag of potato chips.
But yeah, I felt the story waslike what a rush.
It was interesting.
But I got the point reallyearly on and I was like, okay,
yeah, I know, I know, get it.
And so the story kind of felloff for me.
I give it a 2.5.
Rewatchability.
If someone asks me to like, hey, man, it's on, like well, you
(26:25):
know, you don't want to checkthe other channels real quick.
But you know, if nothing else,if it's this or like I guess,
wicked, then yeah, I guess I'llwatch this, but I like wicked.
Come on, man wicked.
Yeah, I saw it.
I enjoyed it in theaters.
Rewatch ability honestly, I'mmiserable.
I have to watch it again.
I liked it in theaters, butit's a one and done for me.
(26:47):
Um, that goes for wicked and itgoes for him similar themes
about wanting to be popular.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Yeah, uh-huh, just let um a lot of great parallels
here.
Jordan peele might actuallyripped off wicked it was.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
Uh, cameron cade was just oh, the wicked witch.
That's all.
So, uh, I'm rewatchability, I'mgiving it to um, and that's
where I'm at for a grand totalof a 3.5.
Yeah, leaving the theaters iskind of where I thought it would
land.
It's kind of yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
On the better side of good.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
I genuinely think that if they could have closed
out the third act just a littlebit better, it could have gotten
a lot higher of a score Because, like James, your scores were
raving about it.
Like the only thing that pulledit down for you was the story
and for us that was the lowestscore I feel like it genuinely
had.
I also just one one, one thingthat I specifically note about
(27:47):
cinematography.
I didn't say was I really likethat ice bath shot where it like
went under and then ittransitioned to the water
dumping on his face in themorning.
It did leave the story becauseit, while it loved it
cinematography wise and itlooked it did like story wise,
that was kind of like like.
It kind of just like left mewanting more with, like the I I
don't know why.
I just thought there was goingto be something worse in that
(28:09):
ice bath scene and then it justtransitioned out of it.
Um, and maybe that wasintention or purposeful, but I
both like loved and hated thatscene yeah, I agree, and I think
that's where I'm with thismovie.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
It's like there's parts I love, there's parts I'm
like what?
And honestly, I left just kindof a little frustrated, I'm not
gonna lie.
So well, I think it's time togo to the golden path, but
before we do that, I gotta get alittle more drunk, we gotta get
a little more high boys.
So I could do that.
Yeah, let's do it.
Final toast, final hit of thenight.
This one, I guess, goes out toWicked.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
Agreed, okay, yeah, cheers Wicked.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
That was the first musical she had ever seen.
Oh really.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
Yeah, she saw it on Broadway.
Wow, okay, that'd be prettycool.
Yeah, I like everything likethat.
It's not my other audience, I'mnot their audience you got to
get a dolby television tellingyou I am their audience I have
um that new Sony-ish.
I spent a lot of money on my TV.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
Does it have Dolby Mode?
Does Dolby Mode kick in?
Speaker 3 (29:25):
But then, honestly, musicals, a lot of the music in
musicals irritates the shit outof me.
It's just rambling to me.
I just love a good musical.
I love a musical.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
I really do.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
Anybody who wants some tv musicals.
Gallivant is on hulu.
Uh, check out gallivant.
Uh, check out gallivant.
That's a ton of fun.
Uh, schmigadoon schmigadoon isuh are you just making it up for
it no, I'm not.
I'm not I'm not season two iscalled schmigago.
That one's also pretty good,but I think schmigadoon was the
(29:58):
better one.
Just saying there's some tvmusicals out there.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
They're really good I mean, I like there are a few, I
like, I like the producers, um,I uh specifically, honestly, I
like the one with matthewbroderick and nathan lane more
than the original.
I feel like those good likenathan lane was just made for
that fucking role, but anyway,anyway, it's time to get onto
the golden path of him.
We're talking who's him?
(30:24):
what was him?
So what are your thoughts?
I mean, like, obviously thiswas they were talking about.
Well, I think a lot of peoplewho've begun to believe that the
nfl is rigged and scripted arereally going to like that, and
there's obviously a lot of youknow reference for just you know
this, our sportier listeners um, but what else is in there?
(30:46):
What did we see?
Speaker 2 (30:47):
It's a good question.
I have notes.
Should I kick it?
What should I kick it?
What I?
Speaker 1 (30:56):
don't know who should kick it off.
Well, I can't, okay.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Well, so I think I wanted to hop back to the tunnel
vision of the camera that Ifelt was really important theme
of the movie.
I touched on it a little bitabout how, how, how, what it's
like.
I think this movie capturedwhat it's like to grow up in a
(31:21):
home where, like you're given alot of wiggle room to create an
identity Like an identity.
Like an identity has beendecided for you.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
And then who?
Obviously was a murderer allalong.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
Yeah, yeah, that was his destiny, but he didn't know
it.
Like that's when you haveincredibly overbearing parents
who have a really restrictiveview of what life and success is
, and then you end up being amurderer.
Yeah, who have a reallyrestrictive view of what life
and success is, and then you endup being a murderer.
Yeah, but this is the kind ofTale as old as time, but I can
tell you, when I played highschool sports and in those
(31:59):
sports I saw people whoseparents were like this about
sports.
Mine weren't like this aboutsports, they were like that
about other shit.
But I saw people whose liveswere like this about sports mine
weren't like this about sports,they're like that about other
shit.
But I saw people whose liveswere like this about sports and
they were on the field like at 6am every day and they were and
like their parents were there,like you're gonna fucking be,
and they would they they lived alife like that, you know oh I
(32:23):
couldn't, but that'd be sofucking miserable it's a beauty
and, like this movie, reallykind of capture how uh your
parents like set you, like hisparents, set him up to be abused
?
Speaker 1 (32:35):
system, rooming the children.
It's a yeah, it's a style ofgrooming children to have them
fit your needs, at the end ofthe day, and your needs.
And it shows that violence veryand it happens all the time,
and I think it doesn't justhappen in sports, it happens in
the arts as well, where parentswill literally to a toxic level,
hold their kids do they evenlove it anymore?
(32:57):
Like it's it should.
Everything that someone doesshould be about do they enjoy it
?
Right, actually, when it comesto sports and hobbies and things
like that.
But people treat treat it likea, a religion and a cult, and I
feel like that was somethingthat they were trying to show is
like, and it's groomingchildren to fit the needs of
this cult that has been builtaround sports and and other
(33:19):
things.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
So Well, the thing I felt like I wasn't sure, I
wasn't sure.
Are they trying to betray him?
Like it took this guy a week.
Like imagine had she had heactually joined.
He was like the perfect way.
Like it took him 72 hoursbefore his girlfriend was an
afterthought.
It was less than a week beforehe's able to kill 10 people.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
It's well, like Luke was saying, this is cult
programming.
They isolated him, drugged himup, hurt his body, pushed his
body to its limit.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
That's what they're going for.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
Yeah, but now he's just damaged.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
Yeah, but now, like he's just you know, he's just
damaged.
Yeah, like like, have you ever,have you ever known someone
who's been wrapped up in a cult?
Because, like I've, I've neverknown anybody who's been wrapped
up in a cult.
But like these documentariesthey show people coming out of
them and like trying todeprogram cult members and
they're fucked up likeimmediately.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
Like, yeah, they've, they've developed cults, have
developed really strong tacticsto program people and have it
stick I actually have a lot ofliterature in here, um, uh, just
exploring different cults andhow it affects people and the
things that it's on their minds,and just some of the wildest
cults that have, you know,popped up and it doesn't sound
(34:49):
accurate.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
I mean, does this like yeah?
Speaker 3 (34:52):
well, what's funny is like you talk to anyone and
they're like I would never be apart of a cult and it's like, no
, that's not true.
Yeah, most of us are just alittle skip away from doing that
sort of programming, and I mean, we see it on large political
skills, we see it in fandom, wesee it all over the place and
it's workplaces and it juststems from like five basic, you
(35:16):
know, the desire to be feelconnected, the desire for
purpose.
You know, it's just these verynormal human things.
It's the most human thing inthe world to join a cult, um.
But then it really just made methink just so much how
corporate america is.
Basically what normal humanthings?
Speaker 1 (35:29):
It's the most human thing in the world to join a
cult.
But then it really fucked up.
It just made me think just somuch how corporate America is
basically.
What giant cult.
And now, and I'm a part it'sjust like a semi healthier cult,
I guess.
They're giving you a benefit.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
It's not the benefit you deserve, but cults also give
you a benefit of connectednessand a roof over your head I have
.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
I always you a benefit of connectedness and a
roof over your head.
I have.
I always say that I've madesome of my best friends from my
workplace, I hate to say it.
Well, and one of the um, thedefinitions, like the
requirements to be a cult, isthat there's an inner like so
you have a board of directors,um, and then the more you give
yourself to this cult, secretways you discover and they give
it to you little by little andwe all know, I mean the most of
us are wrapped up in a placelike that.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
Um, yeah, so that is kind of a crazy concept, but I
think, like in general though,this him movie was cold heavy
obviously, I feel like that waskind of like yeah, a theme.
This look, even the peopleoutside, like his fan base, are
their own little subcult of thecult because, like the hyper
fans, and then there's the, themain cult, with even the other
(36:33):
play, just just there to justtoss the football around but
like, yeah, just get likeliteral physical abuse and eat
it like it's a good thing.
Speaker 3 (36:43):
Um, yeah and it's because they're programmed to
all of them.
We call shit a cult just whenthe other established cults.
Uh stop they're like, they feelthreatened, and so yeah, and so
we catch it you know, because Imean, like, if you, I mean if
you just look at, um, what someof these, these cults have done,
(37:04):
I mean you could even fuckinglook in jonestown and then just
compare it to the goddamn cia,right, there's a lot of just
goddamn parallels and all theonly difference is that, you
know, jonestown failed.
Had he has succeeded, it justwould have been.
You know, it just would havebeen the way.
Yeah, what?
Speaker 2 (37:21):
we're saying everybody is joining a cult is
an act of rebellion against theestablishment and that's
something we can all approve of.
Speaker 3 (37:31):
Yeah, join a cult, join a cult and uh, when you're
choosing your cults, please keepeye and dry in mind yeah, yeah,
all your cult needs.
Speaker 2 (37:43):
There's some of them that are like don't do drugs.
If you're gonna be in a cult,fucking do drugs.
Speaker 3 (37:48):
Get some drugs come on for sure, it's all orgies and
soup I gotta be.
All apps I gotta be abstinentand farm.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
And why would I?
Why am I in this cult?
Yeah, you don't do any of thatshit for high and dry I picked
the worst fucking.
Speaker 3 (38:05):
yeah, you don't have to do any of that shit.
For high and dry.
I picked the worst fucking.
Yeah, you don't have to do anyof that shit.
It's all orgies and soup, soenjoy so much broth.
Orgies and soup, differentkinds of the same kind of soup.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
I mean it varies from person to person.
Speaker 3 (38:23):
Once we get into the inner circle, we have access to
a wider range of various soups.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
French onion perhaps, yeah, chicken and yogi, I don't
know.
Speaker 3 (38:32):
I mean, everyone gets as much alcohol and weed as
they want, but they're fightingfor the soup, the soup is the
resource.
The three of us just standingon a porch with sunglasses,
staring at them all as they dotheir morning PT.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
Our kingdom of soup.
Speaker 3 (38:53):
The fucking soup heater.
Beepers just stay in my dreamsall night.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
But yeah, so you definitely Just yelling from the
balcony the soup, the soup, thesoup, and then they yell back
the soup.
Speaker 3 (39:14):
The soup you ladle a hot fucking spoonful onto
someone's bare back.
This place is fucked.
Yeah, but the orgies, weed andbooze are keeping yeah, like I'm
(39:35):
like you got just this dude atthe lunchroom.
He's like I'm 99 sure they'rejust doing this soup thing
because it makes them laugh.
And then he gets labeled that.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
that's when you invite them into the ladling and
then they start supporting theladling.
You got to get them.
Speaker 1 (39:53):
You got to see.
We didn't know you were coollike that.
Yeah, you come join us.
Speaker 3 (39:59):
Have you tried this Italian wedding number right
here Take a spoonful of thatdude.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
Now scald Tyler with it.
Speaker 3 (40:11):
And we're just staring dead-faced as he scalds
people with soup.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
Man never mind Hydricol was a bad idea.
We're retiring it now.
Speaker 3 (40:24):
It took us 30 seconds to start scalding people with
soup.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
We've become tyrants.
We need to stop.
Speaker 3 (40:31):
We need to be stopped .
We're dangerous.
We're a dangerous group ofindividuals, jesus Christ, what
the hell is this podcast about?
Speaker 1 (40:42):
Golden path.
Speaker 2 (40:45):
I think we've treaded this've tread this path, which
is far enough we've walked farenough okay like I would say,
like let my golden pet.
Speaker 3 (40:55):
It's like, let's be real.
Like there there were somethings they were just trying to
say, but it was obvious fuckingshit.
Like yeah, we know, we know,it's a goddamn cult, we're
fucking and it just cult ofpersonality did that song about
in the 90s, yeah uh-huh.
I mean like uh, uh.
Yeah, we know it's a cult umsatan's involved.
(41:18):
Uh, you know, the white man isthere too, so watch out about
that yeah, that's not.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
That's never great.
Speaker 3 (41:25):
You got five white people in costume not wearing
pig masks yeah, while their ladygaga is trying to get you to
sign something and one of them'swearing a gimp mask.
I think that's just like alittle like stab at somebody
yeah, well, I mean like, but Ialso wonder like where does
satan want you to wear thatridiculous shit, uh, when you
(41:48):
worship him?
I guess.
Speaker 2 (41:49):
Yeah, oh yeah he does have you wear ridiculous shit
on the football field?
It's like a mascot, right, Ididn't think about how much of a
like a mascot it was what am Iuh?
Speaker 3 (41:58):
so there's a.
So there's a movie ready or not, with uh samara?
Speaker 2 (42:02):
um yeah one of the better entries of.
The poor person kills a bunchof rich people.
Speaker 3 (42:07):
I love it, but I love the genre um but uh.
But at one point it was likefucking pig masks.
And uh, he's talking abouttradition and like, well, why
are we wearing these stupidfucking pig masks?
And he's like that wasgrandpa's idea.
It was the 80s yeah you knowconcept, and that's what it
would have been like.
There's no like why does satanneed you to wear a pig mask?
(42:29):
You know, but just to what?
To fucking reference?
Speaker 2 (42:32):
um, fucking lord of the flies it's just, or the
bible legion was in a pig, Iguess I suppose.
Speaker 3 (42:42):
But they weren't all in pig masks.
So, like, who decides, like,where's, like, is there a
sorting hat?
That's what I'm wondering.
I, I'm, I'm, confused.
These are the questions thatthis movie left me with.
They were dumb fuckingquestions, like it was a good
attempt.
There was a lot there.
Cinematography was awesome,marlon wayne's can act, but I
think it was.
You know, was the juice worththe squeeze?
Speaker 2 (43:05):
on this one and you didn't have any confusion about
the themes, just confusion aboutthe means, which is not great.
Speaker 3 (43:13):
Exactly, exactly.
Speaker 1 (43:14):
And I think that's why this?
Speaker 3 (43:16):
I well, I think that's why this, this movie is
sort of just getting middle ofthe road scores everywhere,
cause like, yeah, we, we knowwhat you're trying to say, but
is that how you want?
Speaker 2 (43:28):
to say it, the the vibes hit me particularly good,
which is why my score was upthere.
The vibes hit me good.
You gotta be you gotta.
If the movie wins you over, youlike it, and if it doesn't win
you over, you're not gonna likeit so much.
Because it doesn't.
It is not clever in its story.
No, it's not trying to beclever in its story.
It's clever in its.
(43:48):
I mean, it's, uh, it's, it'sjust trying to tell its themes
in a really artistic andcinematic way that's exactly
what I had said.
Speaker 1 (43:55):
It's a very artistic movie when I came out of it.
Speaker 3 (43:58):
Yeah, no, and I appreciate the effort.
Um, I I am a marlon wayne's fan, so anything that I think he's
stand out and I'm really happyto see so, um, but I think
that's enough of the golden pith.
Speaker 2 (44:10):
Um, nothing wild here yeah, he was sleep I also.
I did like the jumping aroundof the camera with the theme of
like sleepwalking, especiallychildren who have had their, you
know, lives kind of decided forthem.
It's like sleepwalking throughevents.
Speaker 1 (44:24):
I also want to say you said the tunnel vision thing
.
I think that it also was playingon the fact that when a kid who
is literally 21 years oldsometimes younger going into the
NFL and these teams, theyactually promote some of these
kids.
And I've heard this, at leastin English soccer, and I think
it happens in the NFL becauseyou see it too often, people
(44:45):
they get married so quickly andthe reason why is a married man
is a more reliable man like andthey they don't want somebody
single going out partying.
A married player is moresellable and like more of the
american and they do it and Ifeel like it's a tunnel vision
thing.
It happens all so fast andthere it is like this like sign
your life away, sign it likeyou're literally signing a
(45:05):
contract that's going to putyour body on the line for the
next so many years.
And again it's the dream, solike it's kind of being like
spoon fed to us.
There a bit I'm like all right,jack, like you're making
fucking millions, though I willsay like I'd put my body on the
line for the paycheck.
But it was your choice to do soyeah, it is kind of crazy like
it is a very fast and insaneprocess.
(45:27):
They're children.
I remember when I was 22 yearsold and you asked me to sign a
contract.
That law is an insane concept.
So I think they also show thatwith the camera work.
I didn't really think aboutthat until you had mentioned the
consistent tunnel visionthroughout the movie.
Speaker 2 (45:43):
Yeah, I like that.
Speaker 3 (45:45):
Yeah, Am I watching it every Christmas?
Speaker 1 (45:48):
No, but well so now Die hard Klaus him.
Speaker 3 (45:54):
Yeah, and weapons.
And weapons too, god willing,yeah.
Speaker 1 (46:02):
Even more weapons Even more here.
Speaker 3 (46:09):
So it's time now for our third portion of this thing.
It's time to insert ourselvesinto the movie.
So you sit down to him, You'relike, oh shit, there's Jim
Jefferies.
And then, oh shit, it's thehigh and dry crew.
How does the movie change?
James, I'd like to save you forlast.
Speaker 2 (46:31):
Okay, that sounds fine.
Speaker 1 (46:33):
That's a hot statement to say.
Speaker 3 (46:35):
I'm going to save him for last.
We're going to put him up inthe balcony so we can just watch
Slow roast.
Okay, Slow roast him, Luke.
What.
Give me some base myself withall right, so james is up there
based and how does this movie?
Speaker 1 (46:54):
change with you.
I don't think I can beextremely impactful in the film,
but I would like to think thatI'm one of the receivers in the
scene where it's like if we dropit, the guy gets blasted in the
face and I literally can'tcatch a fucking pass.
I like just he's throwing it toohard.
I've not experienced.
I had just I had just eatenbuttered popcorn before the film
(47:18):
, before the film.
I literally can't get, whilethis guy is getting just black
and I literally like throwing upwatching him get hit in the
face because I, I I haven't beendeprogramming, I'm just stoned
Like, oh my god, why are wedoing this to you?
Please stop, I can't catch it.
Kane's screaming at you thatit's your fault.
And freaking Marlon Wayans isyelling at him for returning,
(47:43):
being like no, it's your fault,throw better.
And I'm like no, it really isyour fault.
I can't catch it turning thebeing like no, it's your fault,
throw better.
And I'm like no, it really is.
He throws it so hard.
Are you the guy who getsheadbutt and dies?
Yeah, I can be the guy.
I deserve it.
I deserve it.
I dropped 42 passes that day.
There's two dead people now inthe film because of me killed
(48:07):
that man.
Oh yeah, that's how I would, uh,change the film, not say crazy
impactful, but that scene wouldbe just a little more memorable.
It would be like a very fast,just drop, drop, drop, drop.
I'm still trying to doone-handed catches, though just
every once in a while I'm like,yeah, maybe, maybe for the
people you try and get itbetween your legs like dude.
(48:30):
You know he's gonna get fuckedbut yeah, that's how I changed
the film.
I don't know if it'd be a crazy, I don't know if I can get it
up to a four, but uh, um, peopleare definitely gonna remember
that scene, but more okay, um,yeah, I.
Speaker 3 (48:48):
I was watching this thing and I could not for the
life of me figure out where thefuck I would be.
Um, and I guess at the end Iwould just be like chilling with
jim jeffries drinking.
Um.
I have no medical training, butbut Jim's dead at the end he's
sacrificed.
(49:08):
Well, I think I'd be pretty introuble here.
Well, no, I would like to thinkyou know how they're in that
stadium.
Speaker 1 (49:17):
You're just that.
You're the only fan in thecomplete church.
Woo, Fuck capitalism, Fuckcapitalism.
Get him Cameron.
Speaker 2 (49:29):
That's my QB1.
Speaker 3 (49:31):
Hell, yeah, hail Satan.
So I think, yeah, I would justbe.
I mean, I guess I have riskmanagement experience, so I
would be just this sort ofmiddle management dude saying,
hey, we have to have him back upfrom that fucking thing.
Speaker 2 (49:55):
You are looking at a class action here.
You can't be launchingfootballs into people's faces on
purpose, if this ever gets out.
Speaker 3 (50:01):
Dude, this is bad.
And the fucking cord managementhere, the cord discipline,
terrible.
You have someone trip on thisman.
That's the end of all thiserotic art.
I tell you that much.
And I guess when he passed outrunning through the desert, I'd
be like did you not think of awork rest cycle?
You're dealing with 115 degreesright now.
(50:24):
When, when is this man hadwater?
And yeah, I would just be onhis hand.
Hail Satan, with 115 degreesright now.
When, when is this man hadwater?
Um, and yeah, I would just beon his hand.
Speaker 1 (50:34):
Uh hail Satan.
Do you think you could changeMarlon Wayans, though?
Do you think you could changeIsaiah white?
Speaker 3 (50:40):
himself.
Well, I think like they wouldsee my value.
You know I've saved themmillions of dollars just in, you
know, fucking legal fees alone.
So, and you know, hail Satan,hail Satan.
Speaker 1 (50:52):
Okay, yeah.
Speaker 3 (50:54):
So I'd be like standing above him as he's
fucking, you know, like justpast the file.
Oh God, damn it.
Hail Satan.
When was the last time this manhad water?
Satan.
Speaker 1 (51:10):
Jesus.
Speaker 3 (51:10):
Christ.
Jesus christ?
Um, yeah, I would just be likeI'm all in, like I'm all in.
Satan is a happy satan.
All right, that's right.
All right, um, what was thisman's urine?
Jesus christ?
Um, yeah, I would just be asatan worshiper cruising around
making sure that we're followingbasic logistic of you know,
safety okay, I like that yeah,yeah, and I'm like, by the way,
will I get emotional counselingthen for my 42 drop passes I I
(51:34):
don't know you're dead.
Yeah, yeah, you're a necromancerand I'd be a necromancer.
Yeah, for sure, okay, so nevermind he can't help oh fuck yeah.
Speaker 1 (51:47):
Risk manager, necromancer, hail satan welcome
back dude hail satan.
Speaker 3 (51:53):
Risk manager slash necromancer Hail Satan.
Welcome back dude Hail Satan.
Yeah, that would be me.
Just making the whole fuckingthing more obvious.
Speaker 2 (52:05):
Hey man, how's it going?
Speaker 3 (52:06):
Welcome.
Welcome, hail Satan.
Speaker 2 (52:11):
Just wrapping up the questions people had, the inane
questions people had.
Speaker 3 (52:15):
Yeah, yeah, hey.
When we clocked you with thathammer, I said it was a risk.
I said it was a risk, but theydecided to go with it because
there's actually 10 others ofyou being groomed as we speak,
so it wouldn't have been a hugeloss.
Hail Satan.
Speaker 2 (52:30):
Yeah, you're number 45 in the past two years to find
a replacement.
I mean yeah.
It's one little yeah, so yeah,no.
Speaker 3 (52:40):
I would just be an expositional risk manager
Hailing Satan.
Speaker 2 (52:44):
Yeah, We've had.
We've had this whole plan sinceyou were a kid.
Speaker 3 (52:53):
Your dad had your dad decided to sacrifice himself,
and you actually essentiallysigned you up for it.
Enjoy, yeah, enjoy, good luckout there.
Champ, I'll say, and I wouldalways call him champ, it would
always be champ, you know, justreal condescending.
So uh, maybe I'd molest him too,maybe, uh, that oh my god now
(53:16):
you've crossed the line, that's,that's you're the risk
management guy, like I'm in aposition of power and I feel
like that's also what thismovie's about.
So I would add to the uh, youknow just the in your face
themes here that were being justspoon fed to me, it would
probably happen.
Speaker 2 (53:35):
You know, terry cruz has a story about how he was
groped.
Uh, yeah, at a party, becausepeople feel like they own the
athletes that they see.
Speaker 3 (53:45):
Yeah, uh no, and I I feel like I don't think a scene
like that would have been out ofplace in this movie.
I mean, they were already kindof doing it when they had him
stripped down and everythinglike that.
They were like insulting hisdick.
But because it was like amale-male toxic masculinity
thing, I feel like we kind ofsort of glossed over it, like
(54:05):
hey, you know it's over it, likehey, you know it's kind of, but
like at the same time that wasa really uncomfortable thing
yeah, I would be superuncomfortable.
Speaker 1 (54:17):
So yeah, died.
Speaker 3 (54:17):
You know, obviously once, people's never a
comfortable situation but uh,yeah, and then they're like,
dude, you should have kept yourunderwear on, you know.
Then you, then you're like, oh,he's being hazed, and it's like
jesus christ, uh.
So yeah, a lot of strangenessgoing on there.
So I would just be like, hey,watch this fucking cable here.
Someone could have tripped hailsatan, um, and that'd be the
enemy tape it down, tape it down, tape it down, I, I, I buy you
(54:42):
the fucking guard protector whydon't you use the tapes?
Speaker 2 (54:45):
right here it's a roll.
Look at it, it's right here.
Hail satan jesus right by thefucking.
Oh my god all right, uh.
Speaker 3 (54:55):
So, james, how would it change with you?
Speaker 2 (54:59):
so you know the scene where um kate is in the sauna
and then out from under the seatcomes the fan, for I'm the.
I'm the fan, and so I was justtrying to get close to isaiah
the whole time.
And so I worm my lithe body outfrom under the sauna bench and
(55:25):
I go to kill kade with the, but,unlike this woman, I just kill
him.
No, no I of course.
Of course he overpowers me andnearly strangles me to death.
Um, and they set me up in thebear costume right when they're
doing the shooting.
They, they're, they put me inthe bear costume, but in between
(55:46):
, you know, when they take myunconscious body, I wake up, I
knock out someone else with asimilar build mission impossible
and I put them in the bearcostume and then, and, and then
they're the ones that get shot.
(56:06):
I get out of there.
I'm the only one left keepingthe cult alive after everyone
else died, and that's when we goon to him, to the hymening and
I'm and I'm the hymenator yeahwhat a change of events I'll be.
Speaker 3 (56:27):
I'm him.
Speaker 1 (56:30):
No, I'm Dirty Dan.
Speaker 2 (56:35):
I'm him.
Yeah, that's my version, I likesmoking a sweet J on the way
out.
No, I've got his blood and I'minjecting Isaiah's blood and
shit and pumping myself up.
You have the beast now.
Speaker 3 (56:51):
You're the goat.
Speaker 2 (56:53):
Yeah, you're the goat .
Speaker 3 (56:56):
You are the goat.
You take too much and actuallygrow horns and shit.
Speaker 2 (56:59):
I start eating, brush grass and chewing on anything
aluminum cans and shit.
Speaker 3 (57:08):
Well, I also like that the goat is like you know
it's more Satan.
They're very big that the goatis like you know it's more satan
.
Speaker 1 (57:17):
Yeah, very big on the goat, like like I appreciate
what they did, but like again,super nothing was, yeah, but
anyway, I'm being attacked by afucking very, very overall,
though, I think the theadditions to the film, just that
brings it up to at least a fourout of five, which, oh yeah, at
the end of the day, it'simpressive in itself oh yeah, if
we were there, it's a totallydifferent ballgame I, I, I think
(57:38):
like at the end of the day, butit it, it like, like we said,
obvious with themes yeah, I'mnot mad at the line, I'm
Speaker 3 (57:47):
not mad, I'm not mad.
Speaker 1 (57:49):
A turnover loses game , and they turned it over just a
couple too many times.
Speaker 3 (57:53):
Agreed, Agreed.
Well, I think that's theperfect place to to end it.
To end it.
There you go.
There's high and dry's officialthing.
A turnover loses games, andthey just turned it over a
couple too many times.
So, but you know, again, shoutout to Marlon Wayans.
I thought he was awesome in it.
Um, I, I do appreciate thecinematography.
(58:16):
Oh, we are pretty unanimous onthat.
So worth a watch?
Is it worth a second watch Ifwicked's on?
Speaker 1 (58:23):
Well, to James it definitely is, so I wouldn't say
that yeah.
Speaker 2 (58:28):
I'd say there's definitely, uh, some artistic
cinematic value.
I think a lot of people couldlearn a lot from the
cinematography in this movie yesagreed, I'd like to see more of
it and it'd be great if it wentalong with a uh, a more
comprehensive plot.
Yes, agreed, agreed, agreed Iwas so, and I think that justin,
(58:51):
that Justin Tipping definitelyis, honestly, a little.
Speaker 1 (58:55):
You know a couple more from him.
I'd be interested to see whathe can do, Because I think he
artistically has a very creativevision and I want to see like
something with a very cohesivestoryline.
That, you know, maybe it wasn'thim, Maybe he is a different
him, the him and the him.
Speaker 3 (59:12):
Double entendre right there, or the her.
Well, thank you all forlistening.
We're High and Dry Podcast.
I'm your host.
Ryan Baron North, jamesCrosland, luke.
Thank you all for listening,especially that dude on VPN
who's just jumping around acrossthe globe.
Shout out to you, dude, justfucking email us.
Speaker 2 (59:33):
man, god damn um, if you, uh, if, if you are using
vpns, go to singapore.
Next time we'll look forsingapore, singapore.
Speaker 3 (59:42):
That's how we know you listen to the end.
Yeah, yeah, all right, we'llsee if there's a singapore next
time.
All right, good night everybody.
Bye, singapore bye bye.
I was fucking born ready.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Listen if it's not clipped, nature sounds distorted
through digitally distorted tomake it sound like haunted
carnival music.
Who's listening to it in 2025?
Speaker 1 (00:18):
No one.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Hey everybody, welcome to High and Dry Podcast.
Well, hey everybody, welcome tohigh drive podcast.
Um, the only podcast keepingalive the television show the
wayans brothers, I felt it was,uh, it was a good one for this
particular week there was, uhone episode of that show where
(00:41):
marlin uh smokes, weed underpeer pressure and then they have
a big conversation about howthat's throwing your life away
Really.
Yeah, that seems a littlehypocritical, it's pretty funny.
Well, this is Hydra Podcast.
I'm your host, ryan Baron-North, with me, as always, james
(01:03):
Crossland, luke.
How are you guys doing thisweek?
How are we doing?
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Good yeah, no complaints.
No, nothing to rave about.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Yeah, that's pretty much how I left feeling this one
.
So, for those of you joining usthe first time, we're going to
break.
All right, we have an episodehere we're going to be talking
about the movie Him.
All right, we have an episodehere.
We're going to be talking aboutthe movie Him.
Jordan Peele produced New outthis weekend.
We're going to do this in athree-part method.
First, we're going to rate it.
We're going to give you thedefinitive score out of five,
(01:34):
way infinitely more accuratethan both Rotten Tomatoes,
especially.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Fandango.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
I am DB.
Those two guys who did moviereviewing were infinitely more
accurate.
It's definitive and it can't beargued.
After that, we're going to jumponto the golden path and we're
going to break down the deepermeanings behind this film, and
then, finally, we're going toget ourselves drugs or alcohol
into the movie, and what makesit so special and fun is that
(02:06):
we're going to be doing it drunkand high.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
So, fellas, what are you smoking this week?
I vote you go first this week,Sir Ryan.
I want to hear what you'redrinking first.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
Well, this weekend I picked up a bottle of Knob Creek
single barrel select for ourMissouriouri customers.
It's 120 horsepower.
Um, as you can see, I alreadyput a decent dent into it
yesterday and I'm gonna finishthat off today for this film.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
So I'm excited sounds sounds uh gross if I'm 100
honest, but I'm happy for youthis is a.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
It is a powerful beverage.
Well, I'm doing a lemonpressure.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
You know just like our lead, cameron, cade, felt in
this movie the pressure on him.
Yes, I decided to have thelemon pressure this week.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
Nice.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
And I've got uh, animal crackers.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Yummy, a good, a good movie time snack.
Yeah, yeah, and I picked itbecause there are several animal
motifs and a bunch of crackers.
No, it's just what I had.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
Yeah, that was definitely a part of it.
Um cool, well, let's dive on inand get to this thing.
First toast, first shot, firsthit.
Line them up.
This one goes out to our filmthis week, him Cheers.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Cheers, cheers to him .
Oh boy, pretty difficult titleto work with, I bet.
Yeah, it doesn't tell you muchabout the movie I mean once I
understood why they were sayingit.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
It made a little more sense.
I don't know, maybe I'm stupid.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
I feel like in general, this movie was always
trying to have those hiddenmessages, from title to the very
ending yeah there was a lot ofsymbolism, for sure the
symbology there.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
Well, the second toast, second hit.
This one goes out to our newestlisteners this week.
Uh, these ones are coming infrom paramaribo, of the
paramaribo district.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Looks like they're uh , gotta look it up to me that
sounds spain.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Say it one more time for me parmaribo is the capital
of suriname.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
suriname is a country in south america um, it's on
the northern coast of southamerica and actually just
watched a mini documentary aboutthe split ups of the guianas
and suriname into their owncountries and, like Suriname, is
like 90% uninhabitable bylandmass because the density of
the jungles and wetlands it'spretty interesting.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
Huh, well, there you go.
Well, they can still get high,they can still get high and dry
podcast.
That's right.
It's not dense, it's one of thenecessities.
Yeah, first, sign ofcivilization, has, high and dry,
made it here.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
yet Running water.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
High and dry Roof over everyone's head.
A chicken in every pot, theyall go hand in hand.
High and dry on the speakersCheers, cheers, cheers.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
Did we just cheers ourselves ourselves?
Speaker 2 (05:47):
I feel like that was just due to us we cheers some
long time member that continuesto use VPNs to listen to our
show so they can listen to thefun places that we get to say
they're controlling us.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
Do you think it's one guy just jumping around, for
that, maybe that would it couldbe, it could be.
I mean that'd be some wildfreaking.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
I mean it's good to have a fan it's excellent to
have a fan, and if they'remanipulating our system to get a
shout out, that's fine.
You just send us an email yeah,you can do that too we'll just
shut you out every time.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
Just send us an email .
Yeah, you can do that too.
We'll just shut you out everytime, yeah it goes out to john
wayne, our fan.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
This one goes out to our fan cheers, buddy, cheers I
would find it crazy if someonein Suriname, if it was.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Paramaribo.
Just like what the fuck guys?
I did a lot of work to be ableto listen to you guys.
It's not a VP.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
I'm a real person.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
You pieces of shit you scumbags.
It's also the largest city, inserenade oh is it capital city
or no?
Yeah, capital and largest city.
You know, not always the samething, but I like that typically
.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
They typically are, but not always yeah, yeah, our
listeners did come for ourgeography lesson at the
beginning of every episode.
It's time to get to this movie.
It's time to get those ratingsout there.
Luke, I'm actually curious.
I want to hear your take.
I'm watching this.
I'm excited to hear how Jamesfits himself into the movie.
I'm excited to hear how Lukerates this one.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
Okay, I can definitely start, so I'll just
go over the film, just reallybriefly.
So this is yes, it's producedby Jordan Peele, but this one
was not directed by Jordan Peele.
It's directed by Justin tipping.
Just honestly, justin tippingdoesn't have a huge filmography
to come from.
Looks like he started in 2011with a movie called nanny and
(08:04):
then later directed low ridersand kicks goat.
I think it's from looks like hestarted in 2011 with a movie
called nanny, um, and then, uh,later, uh, directed lowriders
and kicks goat I think it's naninani, nani, yeah, yeah, like
that so, but yes, wasn'tactually directed by him, it's.
It's a sports horror movie where, in all honesty, I feel like
the sports get kind of lost init, almost like the real-time
(08:26):
sports world that they tried tobuild.
I will say that I didn't hatethe movie just as a start.
I don't think that this is ahorror movie, thriller at best,
if I had to say, at no point didI feel scared during this movie
.
The acting though I think was astandout for it.
(08:48):
I think a lot of people thoughtmarlon wayans was going to be
uh, kind of.
It was an interesting role forhim, so, agreed, agreed, it's
definitely not in his normalwheelhouse, but I think that he
did pretty well.
If I'm 100 honest in my opinion,I liked his character.
He just seemed his goal was tobe just like this unhinged
football player who dedicatedhis life and soul to the game of
(09:10):
football.
Um and I.
I feel like he played thecharacter well and I like julia
fox's um character as well.
She was kind of a side thought,but I did like the times that
she was on camera.
She was the wife of marlonwayne's way.
The times that she was oncamera she was the wife of
Marlon Wayans.
Wayans character.
She was eyebrows, yeah.
So, yeah, I think the actingwas overall pretty good and I
(09:32):
ended up giving that a.
The next one was thecinematography.
I also thought that it waspretty solid.
I feel like it kind of some ofthe shots in particular that I
remembered were the foot likefootball when they were all
doing that, those rowdypractices and the shots that
were coming out of the face maskand so like.
(09:54):
In football they you knowthere's athletes who talk about
all the time the aspect of thehelmet and stuff in football and
how much it really does cut outyour vision and like gives you
this like tunnel vision, likenaturally, and I feel like they
actually portrayed that wellthrough a camera and I thought
that was pretty cool, which youknow.
I was interested to see howthey do it.
I also liked the x-ray shots.
(10:15):
I thought those were kind ofcool, just like see how the
impact it has on the body.
I don't know if you saw, likethe head injury.
You literally saw it go throughhis chest and his nerves, yeah,
and I was like, oh, that's kindof cool, like just like showing
the you know, larger effects ofthese, these hits, um, which I
thought was cool.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
I gave cinematography a four on the topic of the
using the inside of the helmetshot for narrow vision, that was
an overarching theme in themovie was very narrow vision
really close ups on people'seyes and stuff where you don't
get a full picture of what'sgoing on around A lot of times
where they'd zoom out and you'dsee that a lot more was going on
(10:55):
around them.
But it was a very constanttheme of the tunnel vision.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
Even in that one drill where he the guy was yeah,
that one drill where he wasgetting hit in the face and he
was throwing the ball, I agree,it was like on his face close
and like you could hear theblinking and it was like so it
was like it was very close up.
Um, I thought that I did noticethat about the film as well.
Um, yeah, and it's like anencouragement of the tunnel
vision yeah, I wonder why, Idon't know it did anything for
(11:22):
me.
But um, I you know it.
I did like some of the othershots.
I thought it was cool and kindof a different style than what
I've seen, but nothing thatstood out to me in this film
with the soundtrack.
(11:43):
I ended up giving it a three.
It was one that was just rightin the middle for me.
I really like and I find that alot with horror movies in
general that the soundtrack isprobably not like they.
Yes, it's always going to setthat like creepy tone, but
that's just it's supposed to.
So the story soundtrack it kindof fall or a sorry kind of
(12:03):
story soundtrack I wrote.
The story plot of the movie waskind of where it lost it for me
a little bit.
They did a very good job kindof early in the movie to set up
this like giant world offootball and maybe it was the
intention to then take it awayfrom that world and kind of out
in this rural area where IsaiahWhite lives.
(12:24):
But for me it I, I don't knowjust lost itself.
It just became like just achaotic movie.
Um, throughout the the film andI just didn't enjoy in
throughout the hat, like,especially toward the set end of
the movie.
I'm just like like I and I kindof get there's some deeper
symbolism and I think we can getinto more of it in the golden
(12:44):
path, and I feel like that'swhere some of the stuff they did
kind of interesting and well,but they lost the actual
storyline in doing that, in myopinion.
So the story is where I lost itthe most.
I gave it a 2.5 and thenrewatchability this is one that
I'd rewatch with friends.
This is maybe if they, ifsomebody else, wanted to put it
on I don't, I didn't hate it Idefinitely would be like, oh
(13:07):
yeah, like, and especiallysomeone was like, oh, you didn't
get this, or like, try to watchit through this scope.
Or kind of like starshiptroopers, right, like it was one
that I watched.
I actually didn't give a goodrating.
You guys told me to watchthrough this scope.
And then I'm like, oh, wow, Iunderstand, and like was able to
appreciate it on a whole newlevel.
Maybe that's why I watched thisone again.
I don't know if that's becauseI don't know if rotten tomatoes
feels that way, but oh, I'mabout to drop some shit on you.
(13:32):
You're gonna, you're gonna wantto watch this movie again okay,
uh, and then I, but forrewatchability I gave it a 2.5
respectable, respectable, yeah,yeah it was like I said I I did
like.
At no point was I like I'm goingto fall asleep or oh, I want to
leave, Um or oh, that is a over.
It felt like pacing wasrelatively good, but just like I
(13:53):
don't know, I feel like theywere like, let's like break
everybody's minds there, thecool.
I feel like they had somethingthere, though they there was
something there that they couldhave.
It was just, I don't think itexecuted super well.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
It wasn't bad, but it was could have been executed
better I think the thing is thequestions that a movie leaves
you with.
Like I'm not.
I've never upset about a movieleaving me with questions, but
the questions that leaves mewith shouldn't be inane
questions.
I shouldn't be sitting theregoing like how did they get from
this point to this point?
Or you know what exactly?
(14:29):
You know what?
Speaker 3 (14:29):
was, why did they hit him with the thing in the
beginning like there was yeah,yeah, yeah like what exactly is
the?
Speaker 2 (14:36):
the kind of questions you're left asking are
incredibly important aboutwhether to judge a movie to be
good or not.
Uh, and that's a question I hadwith my wife as we walked away
from this movie- yeah, yeah,definitely.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
Well, james, did you want to do your scores then, or?
Speaker 2 (14:51):
oh sure.
So acting I thought the actingwas really good.
I thought everyone really gotthe assignment and really
delivered.
I don't think anyone droppedthe ball at all.
Even I think Jim Jeffries wasreally.
I thought it was a good rolefor him.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
For this small cast.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
I didn't expect Jim.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Jeffries to be on that list.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
That was so weird.
That was so bizarre.
Did you say it was really weird?
I didn't think it was weird atall.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
I didn't think it was weird.
I was waiting for him to tellit.
I just didn't expect it.
Yeah, and for him to just kindof be serious through the whole
thing.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
It's like oh, you just want to be I don't know.
He had a sprinkle of his SarahCassidy in there and I loved it.
I thought it fit well with thecharacter.
I literally looked at camera,said what the fuck is that Jim
Jeffries?
She had no clue who I wastalking about.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
She doesn't know Jim Jeffries brought the right tone
to that role and I thought itwas a really good.
I thought it was a very JordanPeele type role and he did
really well.
Jordan Peele, you know ofcourse this is a more horrorish
movie, but Jordan Peele knows.
Something I heard aboutcomedians is that you know
there's such a big move fromcomedians getting pulled into
(16:00):
dramatic roles but you veryrarely see dramatic actors
getting pulled into comedianroles because comedians, in
order to do that job, have toreally understand the human
condition and that gives themlike, just by learning that
craft they have range but justlike, exactly because he just
proved it, he just proved it butthat is the thing.
(16:22):
That is the thing.
I liked that kind of view on it.
But anyway, acting beforecinematography, I really agree
about a lot of thecinematography.
I thought there were somereally good shots.
They did a lot of like far outshots when he was feeling
isolated and they felt a lot ofclose-up shots when he was
feeling anxiety and the way thatthey, the way that they handled
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the fans, like his ownworshiper in that tunnel when he
signed it.
Whenever he was presented witha choice, they gave you a
symbolic representation of thatchoice and I like that.
This is the time where I'mwilling to sign everything away
and they did that a few timeswhere he was confronted with
(17:07):
moral dilemmas and the cameratold the story.
Keep out for it.
It's great.
Uh, I give the cinematography a4.5 for the score and soundtrack
.
I thought they were pretty goodand I felt like the music
really drove the emotion of thefilm.
Like when he was gettinganxiety, they had pulsing
pressure and when he wasperforming his best they had
(17:28):
really like hard driving music.
I felt it really added to itthis time and I'm gonna give it
a four.
I think.
Story, I think.
Uh, I do think that's where itkind of falls apart, like it had
me up to the third act and atthe third act it just kind of we
(17:48):
, I was left with a lot ofquestions and I can kind of see.
One thing I did likespecifically about the story is
like it had a lot of metaphorsfor, like, how a child's future
can be sold away by theirparents.
Yeah, like I think it was, thatwas an interesting on college
(18:09):
athletes and things like that.
I think they were into some ofthat yeah, and they're leaning
into human desire to like ire,to like uh for fame and and uh
and worship essentially willmake us put aside even our own
health, like CTE.
People have known about CTE for15 years and we still have
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people who are like it's mydream, you know?
Um yeah, big commentary on thatand on humanity.
We, of course, did all this inthe past, but I thought the plot
did a lot for those things.
But it did leave a lot ofquestions and to me it didn't
wrap up as neatly as I wouldhave liked, with enough
motivation.
It felt chaotic at the end.
So I'm only going to give it a3.5.
(18:54):
And for rewatchability, I'mdefinitely going to rewatch this
.
I want to see this again.
I'm sure, like I liked a lot ofthe motifs and I liked the
jumping around to all thesesymbolic shots, I thought that
it was I've seen it done notgood and this is like this is
really good for that kind ofthing.
Uh, so back and watch, like 28days later.
(19:16):
They did a lot of this jumpingaround, but it felt a little
clumsy and this was likepurposeful and executed Well.
I thought it was executed likereally well.
Yeah, kind of a punk vibe.
It's like a new era of vibemovies, but I think this one was
done really well Okay.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
So give the rewatch a 3.5.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
Okay, all right, nice , yeah, okay, yeah, so give the
rewatch a 3.5.
Okay, all right.
Um, yeah, for me.
So acting I thought was wasreally good.
I I didn't, um, necessarilyliked.
I mean, maybe it was just whocameron cade was.
To me he kind of came off aslike I don't know, just very
two-dimensional.
He was very and like he alwayshad that same sort of befuddled
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look on his face, but it neverreally amounted to anything.
So he was the only one thatreally pulled it out for me a
little bit.
But I thought Marlon Wayans wasawesome when he yelled, though
I could hear all of his othermovies where it's a little bit,
slightly like I always heard,haunted house and scary movie
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every time he was yelling.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Don't be a menace.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
Yeah, but he did great.
I thought he was awesome, soI'm happy for him.
And so, acting, I'm going togive a four.
Yeah, cinematography, I thoughtgood, very creative shots.
Um, I didn't be using like theinjury x-rays and everything
like that.
It made it feel like a what wasthat football game blitz yeah
(20:53):
felt like a little combat to meyeah, mortal combat is what I
thought of too, yeah.
It's very interesting being agladiator, you know.
Yeah, it was a constant thing.
Like, yeah, man, I get it,you're the modern gladiator.
In my opinion, you're a bunchof rich dudes dancing around
each other, but you know, toeach their own.
But the cinematography, thatwas really good, some really
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good shots.
A lot of times, though, I feltthat it lost it.
But the cinematography, thatwas really good, some really
good shots.
A lot of times, though, I feltthat it lost it when, like, hey,
you have to do more than justhave your actors take a really
long time to walk down a hallway, for it to be scary.
Like, I get that you're tryingto build something here, but
like, what's the point?
(21:37):
Like where's the chase and howcan we cut um for a lot of these
scenes.
For me, so, a cinematographer,you have a four as well.
Um, score and soundtrack.
I felt a lot of the time was,um, some of the sound effects,
but I felt a lot of time themusic sort of was distracted.
Um, I felt that in some thatsometimes it got in the way of
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what I was trying to watch.
I'll get to this in the story.
The movie was 90% montage.
I started to see that it's justconstant.
Are we talking?
Speaker 2 (22:17):
cinematography now.
I agree, I think that waspurposeful because it's just
constant.
Are we talking?
Are we talking cinematographynow?
Because, I agree, I think thatwas purposeful, because it's
like a kid getting draggedthrough choices.
You know, when we kind of lookback on our choices from our
youth, sometimes I feel that way.
Maybe it's a specific way thatyou might have been raised.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
I think that those montages are like almost a
tribute to sports movies ingeneral, because that happens in
any sports movie there's alwayssome montage of some good ass
ice hockey or some good ass footin any.
But this was just.
It was just montages.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
It was just montages of abs and these bros hugging it
out, and if I get it, I get it.
For me it was just sort of offputting.
But anyway, back to thesoundtrack, the soundtrack.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
I'm always down to watch some bros hug it out.
All right, I want to see, I'llsee some abs slapping together.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
Show me Some slapping abs, I'll watch it.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
I'll watch the smooth three.
You know what Change my threewatch ability to a four.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
Watch this.
My three watch ability to afour, but the score I give like
a three.
Um story.
Yeah, I thought it was 90percent montage I.
I felt that a lot of times itdidn't really know what it
wanted to do and, like james, Iwas left with a lot of like well
, why did they?
Why would you groom this guyand then just club him over the
head, like you could havedefinitely just killed him?
Speaker 2 (23:43):
right there.
Well, I thought they wanted toput him in a position where he
was willing to sign it all away.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
But you could do that with a leg or you know, felt
like a super risky gambit Risky,but maybe they had a guy that
just knew how to swing itexactly, hard enough to crack
his skull but not kill him andstill like retain the ability to
tie his shoes and use thebathroom and all those things.
It's like yeah they're likethis is gonna be a lot changing
injury, literally no differenceto his life whatsoever.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
I know, yeah, there was none like he had occasional
visions, I guess zero, zerorecovery.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
No, pt yeah, zero recovery time.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
Fair enough, he's built different.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
He's him.
You don't get it, he's him.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
The way he was able to shrug off his elbow being
shattered.
Oh yeah, he didn't use the arm.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
At least they didn't have him use the arm, thank God
I literally thought that goinginto the next scene I was like
he's gonna use the arm.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
I know he is like that arm was fucked though, and
like, yeah, it just.
It is what it is um, and then Ithought it was like a huge hop
and a skip for him, just as acharacter to wanton slaughter,
yeah like.
And he has that same fuckinglook that the actor did the
entire movie as that's why theend of it crazy is he was just
(25:01):
murdering.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
I was like he's just murdering people right now like,
yeah, like yeah like a lot ofpeople.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
You knew my dad the whole time die well, what I got
from that one was that his dadactually sold it like this
wasn't his choice.
The whole time his dadsacrificed, you know, let
himself be killed or whatever,so his kid would be him sold a
soul quite like it was still amassive kid to just wanton
(25:31):
murder, like that is true, seeit.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
Maybe you'd cry, maybe you'd you know, you'd
refuse and some like.
But like just murder, I don'tknow.
But at the same time he wasgoing through a massive head
trauma.
Maybe that was part he's notacting like himself, maybe that
beast inside of him from marlonwayne's blood, you know, but I
don't know, I shoot up.
He did just murder all the timeand I so.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
It's addictive it's addictive murdering people.
You do it once it, once you pop, you just get down, that's what
they say.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
It's like a bag of potato chips.
But yeah, I felt the story waslike what a rush.
It was interesting.
But I got the point reallyearly on and I was like, okay,
yeah, I know, I know, get it.
And so the story kind of felloff for me.
I give it a 2.5.
Rewatchability.
If someone asks me to like, hey, man, it's on, like well, you
(26:25):
know, you don't want to checkthe other channels real quick.
But you know, if nothing else,if it's this or like I guess,
wicked, then yeah, I guess I'llwatch this, but I like wicked.
Come on, man wicked.
Yeah, I saw it.
I enjoyed it in theaters.
Rewatch ability honestly, I'mmiserable.
I have to watch it again.
I liked it in theaters, butit's a one and done for me.
(26:47):
Um, that goes for wicked and itgoes for him similar themes
about wanting to be popular.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Yeah, uh-huh, just let um a lot of great parallels
here.
Jordan peele might actuallyripped off wicked it was.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
Uh, cameron cade was just oh, the wicked witch.
That's all.
So, uh, I'm rewatchability, I'mgiving it to um, and that's
where I'm at for a grand totalof a 3.5.
Yeah, leaving the theaters iskind of where I thought it would
land.
It's kind of yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
On the better side of good.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
I genuinely think that if they could have closed
out the third act just a littlebit better, it could have gotten
a lot higher of a score Because, like James, your scores were
raving about it.
Like the only thing that pulledit down for you was the story
and for us that was the lowestscore I feel like it genuinely
had.
I also just one one, one thingthat I specifically note about
(27:47):
cinematography.
I didn't say was I really likethat ice bath shot where it like
went under and then ittransitioned to the water
dumping on his face in themorning.
It did leave the story becauseit, while it loved it
cinematography wise and itlooked it did like story wise,
that was kind of like like.
It kind of just like left mewanting more with, like the I I
don't know why.
I just thought there was goingto be something worse in that
(28:09):
ice bath scene and then it justtransitioned out of it.
Um, and maybe that wasintention or purposeful, but I
both like loved and hated thatscene yeah, I agree, and I think
that's where I'm with thismovie.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
It's like there's parts I love, there's parts I'm
like what?
And honestly, I left just kindof a little frustrated, I'm not
gonna lie.
So well, I think it's time togo to the golden path, but
before we do that, I gotta get alittle more drunk, we gotta get
a little more high boys.
So I could do that.
Yeah, let's do it.
Final toast, final hit of thenight.
This one, I guess, goes out toWicked.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
Agreed, okay, yeah, cheers Wicked.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
That was the first musical she had ever seen.
Oh really.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
Yeah, she saw it on Broadway.
Wow, okay, that'd be prettycool.
Yeah, I like everything likethat.
It's not my other audience, I'mnot their audience you got to
get a dolby television tellingyou I am their audience I have
um that new Sony-ish.
I spent a lot of money on my TV.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
Does it have Dolby Mode?
Does Dolby Mode kick in?
Speaker 3 (29:25):
But then, honestly, musicals, a lot of the music in
musicals irritates the shit outof me.
It's just rambling to me.
I just love a good musical.
I love a musical.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
I really do.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
Anybody who wants some tv musicals.
Gallivant is on hulu.
Uh, check out gallivant.
Uh, check out gallivant.
That's a ton of fun.
Uh, schmigadoon schmigadoon isuh are you just making it up for
it no, I'm not.
I'm not I'm not season two iscalled schmigago.
That one's also pretty good,but I think schmigadoon was the
(29:58):
better one.
Just saying there's some tvmusicals out there.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
They're really good I mean, I like there are a few, I
like, I like the producers, um,I uh specifically, honestly, I
like the one with matthewbroderick and nathan lane more
than the original.
I feel like those good likenathan lane was just made for
that fucking role, but anyway,anyway, it's time to get onto
the golden path of him.
We're talking who's him?
(30:24):
what was him?
So what are your thoughts?
I mean, like, obviously thiswas they were talking about.
Well, I think a lot of peoplewho've begun to believe that the
nfl is rigged and scripted arereally going to like that, and
there's obviously a lot of youknow reference for just you know
this, our sportier listeners um, but what else is in there?
(30:46):
What did we see?
Speaker 2 (30:47):
It's a good question.
I have notes.
Should I kick it?
What should I kick it?
What I?
Speaker 1 (30:56):
don't know who should kick it off.
Well, I can't, okay.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Well, so I think I wanted to hop back to the tunnel
vision of the camera that Ifelt was really important theme
of the movie.
I touched on it a little bitabout how, how, how, what it's
like.
I think this movie capturedwhat it's like to grow up in a
(31:21):
home where, like you're given alot of wiggle room to create an
identity Like an identity.
Like an identity has beendecided for you.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
And then who?
Obviously was a murderer allalong.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
Yeah, yeah, that was his destiny, but he didn't know
it.
Like that's when you haveincredibly overbearing parents
who have a really restrictiveview of what life and success is
, and then you end up being amurderer.
Yeah, who have a reallyrestrictive view of what life
and success is, and then you endup being a murderer.
Yeah, but this is the kind ofTale as old as time, but I can
tell you, when I played highschool sports and in those
(31:59):
sports I saw people whoseparents were like this about
sports.
Mine weren't like this aboutsports, they were like that
about other shit.
But I saw people whose liveswere like this about sports mine
weren't like this about sports,they're like that about other
shit.
But I saw people whose liveswere like this about sports and
they were on the field like at 6am every day and they were and
like their parents were there,like you're gonna fucking be,
and they would they they lived alife like that, you know oh I
(32:23):
couldn't, but that'd be sofucking miserable it's a beauty
and, like this movie, reallykind of capture how uh your
parents like set you, like hisparents, set him up to be abused
?
Speaker 1 (32:35):
system, rooming the children.
It's a yeah, it's a style ofgrooming children to have them
fit your needs, at the end ofthe day, and your needs.
And it shows that violence veryand it happens all the time,
and I think it doesn't justhappen in sports, it happens in
the arts as well, where parentswill literally to a toxic level,
hold their kids do they evenlove it anymore?
(32:57):
Like it's it should.
Everything that someone doesshould be about do they enjoy it
?
Right, actually, when it comesto sports and hobbies and things
like that.
But people treat treat it likea, a religion and a cult, and I
feel like that was somethingthat they were trying to show is
like, and it's groomingchildren to fit the needs of
this cult that has been builtaround sports and and other
(33:19):
things.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
So Well, the thing I felt like I wasn't sure, I
wasn't sure.
Are they trying to betray him?
Like it took this guy a week.
Like imagine had she had heactually joined.
He was like the perfect way.
Like it took him 72 hoursbefore his girlfriend was an
afterthought.
It was less than a week beforehe's able to kill 10 people.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
It's well, like Luke was saying, this is cult
programming.
They isolated him, drugged himup, hurt his body, pushed his
body to its limit.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
That's what they're going for.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
Yeah, but now he's just damaged.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
Yeah, but now, like he's just you know, he's just
damaged.
Yeah, like like, have you ever,have you ever known someone
who's been wrapped up in a cult?
Because, like I've, I've neverknown anybody who's been wrapped
up in a cult.
But like these documentariesthey show people coming out of
them and like trying todeprogram cult members and
they're fucked up likeimmediately.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
Like, yeah, they've, they've developed cults, have
developed really strong tacticsto program people and have it
stick I actually have a lot ofliterature in here, um, uh, just
exploring different cults andhow it affects people and the
things that it's on their minds,and just some of the wildest
cults that have, you know,popped up and it doesn't sound
(34:49):
accurate.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
I mean, does this like yeah?
Speaker 3 (34:52):
well, what's funny is like you talk to anyone and
they're like I would never be apart of a cult and it's like, no
, that's not true.
Yeah, most of us are just alittle skip away from doing that
sort of programming, and I mean, we see it on large political
skills, we see it in fandom, wesee it all over the place and
it's workplaces and it juststems from like five basic, you
(35:16):
know, the desire to be feelconnected, the desire for
purpose.
You know, it's just these verynormal human things.
It's the most human thing inthe world to join a cult, um.
But then it really just made methink just so much how
corporate america is.
Basically what normal humanthings?
Speaker 1 (35:29):
It's the most human thing in the world to join a
cult.
But then it really fucked up.
It just made me think just somuch how corporate America is
basically.
What giant cult.
And now, and I'm a part it'sjust like a semi healthier cult,
I guess.
They're giving you a benefit.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
It's not the benefit you deserve, but cults also give
you a benefit of connectednessand a roof over your head I have
.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
I always you a benefit of connectedness and a
roof over your head.
I have.
I always say that I've madesome of my best friends from my
workplace, I hate to say it.
Well, and one of the um, thedefinitions, like the
requirements to be a cult, isthat there's an inner like so
you have a board of directors,um, and then the more you give
yourself to this cult, secretways you discover and they give
it to you little by little andwe all know, I mean the most of
us are wrapped up in a placelike that.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
Um, yeah, so that is kind of a crazy concept, but I
think, like in general though,this him movie was cold heavy
obviously, I feel like that waskind of like yeah, a theme.
This look, even the peopleoutside, like his fan base, are
their own little subcult of thecult because, like the hyper
fans, and then there's the, themain cult, with even the other
(36:33):
play, just just there to justtoss the football around but
like, yeah, just get likeliteral physical abuse and eat
it like it's a good thing.
Speaker 3 (36:43):
Um, yeah and it's because they're programmed to
all of them.
We call shit a cult just whenthe other established cults.
Uh stop they're like, they feelthreatened, and so yeah, and so
we catch it you know, because Imean, like, if you, I mean if
you just look at, um, what someof these, these cults have done,
(37:04):
I mean you could even fuckinglook in jonestown and then just
compare it to the goddamn cia,right, there's a lot of just
goddamn parallels and all theonly difference is that, you
know, jonestown failed.
Had he has succeeded, it justwould have been.
You know, it just would havebeen the way.
Yeah, what?
Speaker 2 (37:21):
we're saying everybody is joining a cult is
an act of rebellion against theestablishment and that's
something we can all approve of.
Speaker 3 (37:31):
Yeah, join a cult, join a cult and uh, when you're
choosing your cults, please keepeye and dry in mind yeah, yeah,
all your cult needs.
Speaker 2 (37:43):
There's some of them that are like don't do drugs.
If you're gonna be in a cult,fucking do drugs.
Speaker 3 (37:48):
Get some drugs come on for sure, it's all orgies and
soup I gotta be.
All apps I gotta be abstinentand farm.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
And why would I?
Why am I in this cult?
Yeah, you don't do any of thatshit for high and dry I picked
the worst fucking.
Speaker 3 (38:05):
yeah, you don't have to do any of that shit.
For high and dry.
I picked the worst fucking.
Yeah, you don't have to do anyof that shit.
It's all orgies and soup, soenjoy so much broth.
Orgies and soup, differentkinds of the same kind of soup.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
I mean it varies from person to person.
Speaker 3 (38:23):
Once we get into the inner circle, we have access to
a wider range of various soups.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
French onion perhaps, yeah, chicken and yogi, I don't
know.
Speaker 3 (38:32):
I mean, everyone gets as much alcohol and weed as
they want, but they're fightingfor the soup, the soup is the
resource.
The three of us just standingon a porch with sunglasses,
staring at them all as they dotheir morning PT.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
Our kingdom of soup.
Speaker 3 (38:53):
The fucking soup heater.
Beepers just stay in my dreamsall night.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
But yeah, so you definitely Just yelling from the
balcony the soup, the soup, thesoup, and then they yell back
the soup.
Speaker 3 (39:14):
The soup you ladle a hot fucking spoonful onto
someone's bare back.
This place is fucked.
Yeah, but the orgies, weed andbooze are keeping yeah, like I'm
(39:35):
like you got just this dude atthe lunchroom.
He's like I'm 99 sure they'rejust doing this soup thing
because it makes them laugh.
And then he gets labeled that.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
that's when you invite them into the ladling and
then they start supporting theladling.
You got to get them.
Speaker 1 (39:53):
You got to see.
We didn't know you were coollike that.
Yeah, you come join us.
Speaker 3 (39:59):
Have you tried this Italian wedding number right
here Take a spoonful of thatdude.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
Now scald Tyler with it.
Speaker 3 (40:11):
And we're just staring dead-faced as he scalds
people with soup.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
Man never mind Hydricol was a bad idea.
We're retiring it now.
Speaker 3 (40:24):
It took us 30 seconds to start scalding people with
soup.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
We've become tyrants.
We need to stop.
Speaker 3 (40:31):
We need to be stopped .
We're dangerous.
We're a dangerous group ofindividuals, jesus Christ, what
the hell is this podcast about?
Speaker 1 (40:42):
Golden path.
Speaker 2 (40:45):
I think we've treaded this've tread this path, which
is far enough we've walked farenough okay like I would say,
like let my golden pet.
Speaker 3 (40:55):
It's like, let's be real.
Like there there were somethings they were just trying to
say, but it was obvious fuckingshit.
Like yeah, we know, we know,it's a goddamn cult, we're
fucking and it just cult ofpersonality did that song about
in the 90s, yeah uh-huh.
I mean like uh, uh.
Yeah, we know it's a cult umsatan's involved.
(41:18):
Uh, you know, the white man isthere too, so watch out about
that yeah, that's not.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
That's never great.
Speaker 3 (41:25):
You got five white people in costume not wearing
pig masks yeah, while their ladygaga is trying to get you to
sign something and one of them'swearing a gimp mask.
I think that's just like alittle like stab at somebody
yeah, well, I mean like, but Ialso wonder like where does
satan want you to wear thatridiculous shit, uh, when you
(41:48):
worship him?
I guess.
Speaker 2 (41:49):
Yeah, oh yeah he does have you wear ridiculous shit
on the football field?
It's like a mascot, right, Ididn't think about how much of a
like a mascot it was what am Iuh?
Speaker 3 (41:58):
so there's a.
So there's a movie ready or not, with uh samara?
Speaker 2 (42:02):
um yeah one of the better entries of.
The poor person kills a bunchof rich people.
Speaker 3 (42:07):
I love it, but I love the genre um but uh.
But at one point it was likefucking pig masks.
And uh, he's talking abouttradition and like, well, why
are we wearing these stupidfucking pig masks?
And he's like that wasgrandpa's idea.
It was the 80s yeah you knowconcept, and that's what it
would have been like.
There's no like why does satanneed you to wear a pig mask?
(42:29):
You know, but just to what?
To fucking reference?
Speaker 2 (42:32):
um, fucking lord of the flies it's just, or the
bible legion was in a pig, Iguess I suppose.
Speaker 3 (42:42):
But they weren't all in pig masks.
So, like, who decides, like,where's, like, is there a
sorting hat?
That's what I'm wondering.
I, I'm, I'm, confused.
These are the questions thatthis movie left me with.
They were dumb fuckingquestions, like it was a good
attempt.
There was a lot there.
Cinematography was awesome,marlon wayne's can act, but I
think it was.
You know, was the juice worththe squeeze?
Speaker 2 (43:05):
on this one and you didn't have any confusion about
the themes, just confusion aboutthe means, which is not great.
Speaker 3 (43:13):
Exactly, exactly.
Speaker 1 (43:14):
And I think that's why this?
Speaker 3 (43:16):
I well, I think that's why this, this movie is
sort of just getting middle ofthe road scores everywhere,
cause like, yeah, we, we knowwhat you're trying to say, but
is that how you want?
Speaker 2 (43:28):
to say it, the the vibes hit me particularly good,
which is why my score was upthere.
The vibes hit me good.
You gotta be you gotta.
If the movie wins you over, youlike it, and if it doesn't win
you over, you're not gonna likeit so much.
Because it doesn't.
It is not clever in its story.
No, it's not trying to beclever in its story.
It's clever in its.
(43:48):
I mean, it's, uh, it's, it'sjust trying to tell its themes
in a really artistic andcinematic way that's exactly
what I had said.
Speaker 1 (43:55):
It's a very artistic movie when I came out of it.
Speaker 3 (43:58):
Yeah, no, and I appreciate the effort.
Um, I I am a marlon wayne's fan, so anything that I think he's
stand out and I'm really happyto see so, um, but I think
that's enough of the golden pith.
Speaker 2 (44:10):
Um, nothing wild here yeah, he was sleep I also.
I did like the jumping aroundof the camera with the theme of
like sleepwalking, especiallychildren who have had their, you
know, lives kind of decided forthem.
It's like sleepwalking throughevents.
Speaker 1 (44:24):
I also want to say you said the tunnel vision thing
.
I think that it also was playingon the fact that when a kid who
is literally 21 years oldsometimes younger going into the
NFL and these teams, theyactually promote some of these
kids.
And I've heard this, at leastin English soccer, and I think
it happens in the NFL becauseyou see it too often, people
(44:45):
they get married so quickly andthe reason why is a married man
is a more reliable man like andthey they don't want somebody
single going out partying.
A married player is moresellable and like more of the
american and they do it and Ifeel like it's a tunnel vision
thing.
It happens all so fast andthere it is like this like sign
your life away, sign it likeyou're literally signing a
(45:05):
contract that's going to putyour body on the line for the
next so many years.
And again it's the dream, solike it's kind of being like
spoon fed to us.
There a bit I'm like all right,jack, like you're making
fucking millions, though I willsay like I'd put my body on the
line for the paycheck.
But it was your choice to do soyeah, it is kind of crazy like
it is a very fast and insaneprocess.
(45:27):
They're children.
I remember when I was 22 yearsold and you asked me to sign a
contract.
That law is an insane concept.
So I think they also show thatwith the camera work.
I didn't really think aboutthat until you had mentioned the
consistent tunnel visionthroughout the movie.
Speaker 2 (45:43):
Yeah, I like that.
Speaker 3 (45:45):
Yeah, Am I watching it every Christmas?
Speaker 1 (45:48):
No, but well so now Die hard Klaus him.
Speaker 3 (45:54):
Yeah, and weapons.
And weapons too, god willing,yeah.
Speaker 1 (46:02):
Even more weapons Even more here.
Speaker 3 (46:09):
So it's time now for our third portion of this thing.
It's time to insert ourselvesinto the movie.
So you sit down to him, You'relike, oh shit, there's Jim
Jefferies.
And then, oh shit, it's thehigh and dry crew.
How does the movie change?
James, I'd like to save you forlast.
Speaker 2 (46:31):
Okay, that sounds fine.
Speaker 1 (46:33):
That's a hot statement to say.
Speaker 3 (46:35):
I'm going to save him for last.
We're going to put him up inthe balcony so we can just watch
Slow roast.
Okay, Slow roast him, Luke.
What.
Give me some base myself withall right, so james is up there
based and how does this movie?
Speaker 1 (46:54):
change with you.
I don't think I can beextremely impactful in the film,
but I would like to think thatI'm one of the receivers in the
scene where it's like if we dropit, the guy gets blasted in the
face and I literally can'tcatch a fucking pass.
I like just he's throwing it toohard.
I've not experienced.
I had just I had just eatenbuttered popcorn before the film
(47:18):
, before the film.
I literally can't get, whilethis guy is getting just black
and I literally like throwing upwatching him get hit in the
face because I, I I haven't beendeprogramming, I'm just stoned
Like, oh my god, why are wedoing this to you?
Please stop, I can't catch it.
Kane's screaming at you thatit's your fault.
And freaking Marlon Wayans isyelling at him for returning,
(47:43):
being like no, it's your fault,throw better.
And I'm like no, it really isyour fault.
I can't catch it turning thebeing like no, it's your fault,
throw better.
And I'm like no, it really is.
He throws it so hard.
Are you the guy who getsheadbutt and dies?
Yeah, I can be the guy.
I deserve it.
I deserve it.
I dropped 42 passes that day.
There's two dead people now inthe film because of me killed
(48:07):
that man.
Oh yeah, that's how I would, uh,change the film, not say crazy
impactful, but that scene wouldbe just a little more memorable.
It would be like a very fast,just drop, drop, drop, drop.
I'm still trying to doone-handed catches, though just
every once in a while I'm like,yeah, maybe, maybe for the
people you try and get itbetween your legs like dude.
(48:30):
You know he's gonna get fuckedbut yeah, that's how I changed
the film.
I don't know if it'd be a crazy, I don't know if I can get it
up to a four, but uh, um, peopleare definitely gonna remember
that scene, but more okay, um,yeah, I.
Speaker 3 (48:48):
I was watching this thing and I could not for the
life of me figure out where thefuck I would be.
Um, and I guess at the end Iwould just be like chilling with
jim jeffries drinking.
Um.
I have no medical training, butbut Jim's dead at the end he's
sacrificed.
(49:08):
Well, I think I'd be pretty introuble here.
Well, no, I would like to thinkyou know how they're in that
stadium.
Speaker 1 (49:17):
You're just that.
You're the only fan in thecomplete church.
Woo, Fuck capitalism, Fuckcapitalism.
Get him Cameron.
Speaker 2 (49:29):
That's my QB1.
Speaker 3 (49:31):
Hell, yeah, hail Satan.
So I think, yeah, I would justbe.
I mean, I guess I have riskmanagement experience, so I
would be just this sort ofmiddle management dude saying,
hey, we have to have him back upfrom that fucking thing.
Speaker 2 (49:55):
You are looking at a class action here.
You can't be launchingfootballs into people's faces on
purpose, if this ever gets out.
Speaker 3 (50:01):
Dude, this is bad.
And the fucking cord managementhere, the cord discipline,
terrible.
You have someone trip on thisman.
That's the end of all thiserotic art.
I tell you that much.
And I guess when he passed outrunning through the desert, I'd
be like did you not think of awork rest cycle?
You're dealing with 115 degreesright now.
(50:24):
When, when is this man hadwater?
And yeah, I would just be onhis hand.
Hail Satan, with 115 degreesright now.
When, when is this man hadwater?
Um, and yeah, I would just beon his hand.
Speaker 1 (50:34):
Uh hail Satan.
Do you think you could changeMarlon Wayans, though?
Do you think you could changeIsaiah white?
Speaker 3 (50:40):
himself.
Well, I think like they wouldsee my value.
You know I've saved themmillions of dollars just in, you
know, fucking legal fees alone.
So, and you know, hail Satan,hail Satan.
Speaker 1 (50:52):
Okay, yeah.
Speaker 3 (50:54):
So I'd be like standing above him as he's
fucking, you know, like justpast the file.
Oh God, damn it.
Hail Satan.
When was the last time this manhad water?
Satan.
Speaker 1 (51:10):
Jesus.
Speaker 3 (51:10):
Christ.
Jesus christ?
Um, yeah, I would just be likeI'm all in, like I'm all in.
Satan is a happy satan.
All right, that's right.
All right, um, what was thisman's urine?
Jesus christ?
Um, yeah, I would just be asatan worshiper cruising around
making sure that we're followingbasic logistic of you know,
safety okay, I like that yeah,yeah, and I'm like, by the way,
will I get emotional counselingthen for my 42 drop passes I I
(51:34):
don't know you're dead.
Yeah, yeah, you're a necromancerand I'd be a necromancer.
Yeah, for sure, okay, so nevermind he can't help oh fuck yeah.
Speaker 1 (51:47):
Risk manager, necromancer, hail satan welcome
back dude hail satan.
Speaker 3 (51:53):
Risk manager slash necromancer Hail Satan.
Welcome back dude Hail Satan.
Yeah, that would be me.
Just making the whole fuckingthing more obvious.
Speaker 2 (52:05):
Hey man, how's it going?
Speaker 3 (52:06):
Welcome.
Welcome, hail Satan.
Speaker 2 (52:11):
Just wrapping up the questions people had, the inane
questions people had.
Speaker 3 (52:15):
Yeah, yeah, hey.
When we clocked you with thathammer, I said it was a risk.
I said it was a risk, but theydecided to go with it because
there's actually 10 others ofyou being groomed as we speak,
so it wouldn't have been a hugeloss.
Hail Satan.
Speaker 2 (52:30):
Yeah, you're number 45 in the past two years to find
a replacement.
I mean yeah.
It's one little yeah, so yeah,no.
Speaker 3 (52:40):
I would just be an expositional risk manager
Hailing Satan.
Speaker 2 (52:44):
Yeah, We've had.
We've had this whole plan sinceyou were a kid.
Speaker 3 (52:53):
Your dad had your dad decided to sacrifice himself,
and you actually essentiallysigned you up for it.
Enjoy, yeah, enjoy, good luckout there.
Champ, I'll say, and I wouldalways call him champ, it would
always be champ, you know, justreal condescending.
So uh, maybe I'd molest him too,maybe, uh, that oh my god now
(53:16):
you've crossed the line, that's,that's you're the risk
management guy, like I'm in aposition of power and I feel
like that's also what thismovie's about.
So I would add to the uh, youknow just the in your face
themes here that were being justspoon fed to me, it would
probably happen.
Speaker 2 (53:35):
You know, terry cruz has a story about how he was
groped.
Uh, yeah, at a party, becausepeople feel like they own the
athletes that they see.
Speaker 3 (53:45):
Yeah, uh no, and I I feel like I don't think a scene
like that would have been out ofplace in this movie.
I mean, they were already kindof doing it when they had him
stripped down and everythinglike that.
They were like insulting hisdick.
But because it was like amale-male toxic masculinity
thing, I feel like we kind ofsort of glossed over it, like
(54:05):
hey, you know it's over it, likehey, you know it's kind of, but
like at the same time that wasa really uncomfortable thing
yeah, I would be superuncomfortable.
Speaker 1 (54:17):
So yeah, died.
Speaker 3 (54:17):
You know, obviously once, people's never a
comfortable situation but uh,yeah, and then they're like,
dude, you should have kept yourunderwear on, you know.
Then you, then you're like, oh,he's being hazed, and it's like
jesus christ, uh.
So yeah, a lot of strangenessgoing on there.
So I would just be like, hey,watch this fucking cable here.
Someone could have tripped hailsatan, um, and that'd be the
enemy tape it down, tape it down, tape it down, I, I, I buy you
(54:42):
the fucking guard protector whydon't you use the tapes?
Speaker 2 (54:45):
right here it's a roll.
Look at it, it's right here.
Hail satan jesus right by thefucking.
Oh my god all right, uh.
Speaker 3 (54:55):
So, james, how would it change with you?
Speaker 2 (54:59):
so you know the scene where um kate is in the sauna
and then out from under the seatcomes the fan, for I'm the.
I'm the fan, and so I was justtrying to get close to isaiah
the whole time.
And so I worm my lithe body outfrom under the sauna bench and
(55:25):
I go to kill kade with the, but,unlike this woman, I just kill
him.
No, no I of course.
Of course he overpowers me andnearly strangles me to death.
Um, and they set me up in thebear costume right when they're
doing the shooting.
They, they're, they put me inthe bear costume, but in between
(55:46):
, you know, when they take myunconscious body, I wake up, I
knock out someone else with asimilar build mission impossible
and I put them in the bearcostume and then, and, and then
they're the ones that get shot.
(56:06):
I get out of there.
I'm the only one left keepingthe cult alive after everyone
else died, and that's when we goon to him, to the hymening and
I'm and I'm the hymenator yeahwhat a change of events I'll be.
Speaker 3 (56:27):
I'm him.
Speaker 1 (56:30):
No, I'm Dirty Dan.
Speaker 2 (56:35):
I'm him.
Yeah, that's my version, I likesmoking a sweet J on the way
out.
No, I've got his blood and I'minjecting Isaiah's blood and
shit and pumping myself up.
You have the beast now.
Speaker 3 (56:51):
You're the goat.
Speaker 2 (56:53):
Yeah, you're the goat .
Speaker 3 (56:56):
You are the goat.
You take too much and actuallygrow horns and shit.
Speaker 2 (56:59):
I start eating, brush grass and chewing on anything
aluminum cans and shit.
Speaker 3 (57:08):
Well, I also like that the goat is like you know
it's more Satan.
They're very big that the goatis like you know it's more satan
.
Speaker 1 (57:17):
Yeah, very big on the goat, like like I appreciate
what they did, but like again,super nothing was, yeah, but
anyway, I'm being attacked by afucking very, very overall,
though, I think the theadditions to the film, just that
brings it up to at least a fourout of five, which, oh yeah, at
the end of the day, it'simpressive in itself oh yeah, if
we were there, it's a totallydifferent ballgame I, I, I think
(57:38):
like at the end of the day, butit it, it like, like we said,
obvious with themes yeah, I'mnot mad at the line, I'm
Speaker 3 (57:47):
not mad, I'm not mad.
Speaker 1 (57:49):
A turnover loses game , and they turned it over just a
couple too many times.
Speaker 3 (57:53):
Agreed, Agreed.
Well, I think that's theperfect place to to end it.
To end it.
There you go.
There's high and dry's officialthing.
A turnover loses games, andthey just turned it over a
couple too many times.
So, but you know, again, shoutout to Marlon Wayans.
I thought he was awesome in it.
Um, I, I do appreciate thecinematography.
(58:16):
Oh, we are pretty unanimous onthat.
So worth a watch?
Is it worth a second watch Ifwicked's on?
Speaker 1 (58:23):
Well, to James it definitely is, so I wouldn't say
that yeah.
Speaker 2 (58:28):
I'd say there's definitely, uh, some artistic
cinematic value.
I think a lot of people couldlearn a lot from the
cinematography in this movie yesagreed, I'd like to see more of
it and it'd be great if it wentalong with a uh, a more
comprehensive plot.
Yes, agreed, agreed, agreed Iwas so, and I think that justin,
(58:51):
that Justin Tipping definitelyis, honestly, a little.
Speaker 1 (58:55):
You know a couple more from him.
I'd be interested to see whathe can do, Because I think he
artistically has a very creativevision and I want to see like
something with a very cohesivestoryline.
That, you know, maybe it wasn'thim, Maybe he is a different
him, the him and the him.
Speaker 3 (59:12):
Double entendre right there, or the her.
Well, thank you all forlistening.
We're High and Dry Podcast.
I'm your host.
Ryan Baron North, jamesCrosland, luke.
Thank you all for listening,especially that dude on VPN
who's just jumping around acrossthe globe.
Shout out to you, dude, justfucking email us.
Speaker 2 (59:33):
man, god damn um, if you, uh, if, if you are using
vpns, go to singapore.
Next time we'll look forsingapore, singapore.
Speaker 3 (59:42):
That's how we know you listen to the end.
Yeah, yeah, all right, we'llsee if there's a singapore next
time.
All right, good night everybody.
Bye, singapore bye bye.
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