September 8, 2025 • 64 mins
James Gunn's Superman delivers a powerful message about radical kindness in a cynical world, earning our highest podcast rating ever with its vibrant visuals and standout performances.
• Superman embodies genuine goodness without being naive or simplistic
• David Corenswet brings warmth and authenticity to the iconic role
• Rachel Brosnahan delivers the most compelling Lois Lane in decades
• Nicholas Hoult's Lex Luthor parallels modern tech billionaires with superb depth
• Punk rock soundtrack enhances the film's theme of standing up against corrupt systems
• Supporting characters including Mr. Terrific and Hawkgirl add rich dimension
• Story focuses on doing what's right versus what's politically expedient
• Colorful visuals and cinematography mark a refreshing departure from previous DCEU films
• Superman chooses to follow his moral compass despite criticism and pushback
• Film demonstrates that superhero stories can be optimistic without sacrificing depth
This superhero film proves that good storytelling doesn't require moral ambiguity to be compelling—sometimes what we need most is a reminder that choosing kindness is the most radical act of all.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
I mean it just feels like we're ripe and ready.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
I'm always ripe and ready.
That's my superpower.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
Being ripe and ready.
Mine is that I could point atyou and cause testicular torsion
.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Ooh, very powerful.
My secret is that I always havetesticular torsion.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
You're my Lex Luthor.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
It's by design.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
I've cultivated this testicular torsion over many
years my left testicle isturning into a, like you know,
in the in the peanut, where theone just kind of crawls into the
corner and dies well, this one.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
You got to do it the safe way.
You got to twist it just alittle bit over time and then
release it.
You got to find your rightmedium for how much twist you're
putting, how much torque you'reputting on the nut.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Hey, everyone, welcome to high and shy podcast
I'm your host, ryan baron north,with me, as always, j always
James Crossland, luke, and weare the only podcast keeping
alive um testicular torsion as auh, you know, a project in of
itself, and code monkeys.
(01:15):
We keep alive the televisionseries code monkeys uh, that I
can't say I am.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Is that like?
Was that a cartoon?
Is that a cartoon on CartoonNetwork?
Speaker 1 (01:27):
No, it was a pixelated joint that I think hit
Comedy Central, if I remember.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Yeah, g4 is what this says.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
All right.
Well, I learned something newtoday there's a TV network.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
It used to be.
For a short period of timeright there, it was the, the
channel that gave rise to oliviamunn, because she hosted a
gaming show on that network, andthen olivia munn went on to
give rise to a lot of otherpeople.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Yeah, she went on to steal john mulaney from his wife
while they were both in rehabyep, yep that's one of john
mulaney's little dark secretsright, hey look, if you're gonna
have a pull something out ofrehab, that definitely is one
thing to do, for sure laughteris the best opiate.
Yeah, but like he had like this, this general sort of like, I
(02:27):
don't know, I feel like itmessed with his image more than
hers oh yeah, well, it's becauseall you have to do is be like,
well, who wouldn't sleep witholivia munn, given the chance?
Speaker 2 (02:39):
I, you know, I talked to shara.
I was like, you know, john mulkind of shitty for leaving his
wife for Olivia Munn.
So I talked to her.
I was like if Olivia Munn everwants to have a child with me,
can I?
And she was like obviously, yes, obviously do it.
Yeah, okay thank you, and Isaid same for you.
(03:00):
If Olivia Munn wants to fuckyou, you go for it.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
I believe in equality .
All bets are up, it's on.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Olivia munn is on the table, hopefully literally well
, so anyway, as much as we wantto talk about olivia munn for
this entire podcast, I don'tknow what you're.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Well, I'll have to look it up, yeah we're gonna
rate this son of a bitch allright.
We're gonna give you thedefinitive score way beyond
rotten tomatoes, fandangoespecially, um and we're gonna
give you the definitive scoreout of five for the new superman
film.
Then we're going to jump ontothe golden path, we're going to
(03:46):
break down the film's deepermeanings and, finally, we're
going to insert ourselves drugsand or alcohol into the picture.
And what makes it so specialand fun is that we're going to
be doing it drunk and high.
So, boys, uh, what are yousmoking this week?
Speaker 2 (04:01):
you go first, sir james, sure, all right.
So I've got a flower this week.
It's one that I've done before.
It's gelato, which it's not.
It's not the italian ice creamokay, it's cannabis, and it just
makes you feel like an italiancream running down your throat.
That's awesome.
(04:23):
I had a night like that inCroatia.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
So how about you look ?
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Uh, I have a candy matrix, a flower today.
I don't know, I've never, Idon't know anything about this,
I just know it is cannabis Nice.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
Myself as the resident alcoholic, I will be
trying this bullet bourbon 10years.
It's a 10-year bullet bourbon.
This was given to me by one.
It was donated by a WilliamTwaddell.
He felt that I would appreciatethat.
Donated by a William Twaddell,he felt that I would appreciate
that, and so I will be swiggingthat down and I will be chasing
(05:08):
it with a mixture here that Ihave of old Forrester 1920
Prohibition style.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
So you're having a rum and Coke, or is?
Speaker 1 (05:19):
it just.
This is a whiskey and Coke here115 horsepower that I'll be
using to chase this 91horsepower.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
I like fruit punch to chase my liquor.
I like liquor.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
I like a stronger liquor to chase my liquor.
So this first one goes out tothe film this week.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Here's Superman to Superman Cheers.
I'm lucky there's no smokealarms in this house.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
I wish I was a smoker , because, uh, same thing.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Yeah, I'm in the great outdoors, so not too
worried about it.
All right, so you're also in awet.
You're in the wet wet florida.
It is moist.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
It is moist out here I imagine the second one for
those of you following along athome make sure that you pulled
over to the side of the road totake your shots and or daps and
hits or, or have your passengerhand them to you.
That's acceptable too, as longas you do it safely, exactly.
(06:32):
This second one goes out to ournewest listeners.
Our newest listeners are comingat us from Glen Olden
Pennsylvania.
I feel, like we get a lot of PA.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Yeah, I feel like pa has been listened quite a bit uh
pennsylvania starting to comein hot, I guess pennsylvania.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Someone over there has been talking about us at
like a local diner or some such.
I wonder if it's oscar.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
Hi oscar.
Oscar lives in pennsylvania.
Cheers.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Well, here's to him.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Cheers.
The 10-year bullet does have anaged flavor, oh that's good.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
Yes, very smooth.
I mean I guess it is a 91 proof.
Oh Luke, right, there is reallyfighting that one.
That was Very smooth, I mean Iguess it is a 91 proof oh, luke,
right, there is really fightingthat one.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
That was not smooth.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
It looks like a bullfighter.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
You got to record the coughing.
You can't just the audiencewants to hear it, it's the
reason they're crying.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Okay, okay, I can give it to them I can give it to
them.
I feel, bad.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
I'm like, oh my God, I'm going to blow people's ears
out with this violent coffee.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
I think it adds an authenticity to it.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
I can appreciate that .
All right, I can't help becausenerves in my throat are dead
from all the smoking.
I do, yeah, smoking Final shot.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Final hit this one Sweet Italian cream.
Thinking about the movie, thisgoes out to Italian cream.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Sweet rich dense Italian cream.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Drink some water Cold oddly.
How are you this dehydrated?
It comes out like pancakebatter.
Oh, oh shit.
(08:37):
Well, let's dive on it.
So we just saw superman.
How do we feel let's rape thisbad boy.
Luke, you want to kick this oneoff?
Speaker 2 (08:52):
yeah, because I haven't stopped fucking talking
about this movie this entireweek or since I saw it on
thursday.
All right, let's go.
Can you start by giving yourbackground with superman,
because he's an intellectualproperty, of course, but he's
had a lot of iterations and whoknows which ones you've
experienced and what kind ofexpectations you had going in,
(09:12):
because I think a lot of peoplehad expectations, I so I have
seen the movies from the early2000s.
I never saw anything from likethe 80s, but I did watch
superman returns and then man ofsteel and and then batman
versus superman, which was, Ithink, the like all the later.
So anything in the 2000s andsince that's like the supermans
(09:35):
that I've seen.
The live actions, yeah, yeah,yeah, live action.
Oh, and I mean I've seencartoons too, like I watched
justice league as a kid and likewith superman and stuff like
that.
I've watched some cartoons aswell, with superman, I would say
, and, honestly, my bigger, Iread a lot of batman comic books
.
Okay, so I, I am a fan of dc asa whole.
(09:57):
That's like dc is probably my.
If I had to go between marvelor dc, I'm a dc fan.
I think like the characters areamazing, I think the villains
are just incredible.
Dc's villains are just like thebest, like best, top notch,
yeah.
So, yeah, I I had a lot of highexpectations and even from the
first preview I saw of thismovie, I was excited, like
(10:17):
obviously I think a lot ofsuperhero movies do decent
previews, because it's justexciting, right right.
But right away, like I noticed,the color palette was brighter
and I noticed that this guy whoeveryone was doubting because
henry cavill was everyone'ssuperman, yeah, well, yeah,
certainly, yeah, certainly thetwo of the 2000s.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
He was yes 100.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
It had the look.
I get it.
Henill man, that's my hall pass.
When I asked Cam if I have thechance to have a baby with Henry
Cavill, am I allowed?
She said yeah, and I told hervice versa, you can marry him.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
You should be offended if you didn't.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
Yeah so.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
I love Henry Cavill.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
That's why I fell in love.
I want nothing david corden, soI is my superman like at first
preview I felt that way um, wow,okay, yeah, like I really,
really liked him and I reallythink that like he embodies just
like a dude who wants to dogood, um, and that's kind of
like what superman is is just aguy like, yeah, he's from a
different planet, but, at theend of the day, just a man who
wants to do good, who was raisedby people that gave him good
(11:27):
values just on the, on the, thecavill piece of it they did pick
, I think, um henry his face.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
It embodied more darker, moodier superman yeah
and that he has moody face, forsure he's.
Yeah, he had moody face, butnow we have sort of like he's
almost he's got a little babyface going on, just a little bit
, you know yeah, I would agree,I'd agree, and I feel it fit
really well.
But he still has the supermanjawline.
No fucking doubt about it, sure?
Speaker 2 (12:01):
but, I feel, like superman isn't a gritty
character in like.
From my understanding of thecharacter, he's not like a
gritty character and I feel likeSuperman isn't a gritty
character in like.
From my understanding of thecharacter, he's not like a
gritty character and I feel likewell, I'm going to dive into
that on the go.
I promise you that earlyportrayal of Superman I do know
that there is like I played theInjustice games as well.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
Yeah, yeah.
So like I know, like when weget on the golden path, we're at
risk of this being a Titaniclength fucking episode.
I tell you that right now we'lljust let you go for it, but
yeah, okay.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
But yeah, so that's my background and I was really
excited for the movie going inand, with that being said, I
don't think that it let me down.
In all honesty, I think thatthe movie was exciting.
The movie was exciting.
I think that the acting washonestly really really good.
I think that a lot ofcharacters brought it.
I think side characters evenwere really solid.
(12:53):
There was a couple that weren'tphenomenal for me, but it
wasn't enough to take away fromgenuine standout performances
like Lois Lane, I think.
Oh my God, god, that was by farthe coolest depiction of lois
lane I've ever seen.
Yeah, that was miss mazel.
I don't know if either of youhave seen marvelous mrs mazel,
uh, but really good show.
(13:15):
Yeah, yeah, for me it kind ofgot a little too much with the
bickering and shit, but uh, thethe, she was like really good in
it.
She played a comedian.
I like the thing is.
I felt like every piece of heron screen was golden.
She was probably a standouteven over Corn.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
Sweat.
She was fantastic oh my God.
I have to agree with you.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Yeah, that scene where Rachel Brosnahan is her
name Sorry, I just wanted to getthat out there.
Yeah, rachel Brosnahan hand isher name, sorry, I just wanted
to get that out.
Yeah.
Yeah, rachel rosin, and whenshe that scene with uh corn
sweat and her in the in the roomwhen they're doing the
interview, like I like as as ascene that's like pulled away
from action, like it tends canget boring, and I'm like drawn
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every time.
Like even the side pieces of thestory I thought were really
good.
So I really liked the acting.
Cinematography was really good.
The CGI I think was solid.
I think that they took theirtime.
I thought the monster fightlooked pretty good and I didn't
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really like again, nothing tookaway from the movie in any way.
For me the score and soundtrackwere very good.
They did reuse kind of asimilar kind of drop repeatedly,
but every time, like I was intoit, like they said, it was a
good execution of like a good,very intense drop.
(14:41):
I guess it's not exactly whatI'm trying to say.
And then story and plot Ireally like.
Lex luther is, uh, by far one ofthe coolest and most dynamic
villains of all time theycaptured comic book lex luther
oh yeah they finally showed whysuperman is concerned about lex
luther because he can fuck withsuperman, like he goes
(15:04):
toe-to-toe with that scene wheresuperman walks in and he's
yelling where's my dog?
Like throwing shit around andkind of throwing a temper
tantrum.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Well, not his dog, he's a yeah, yeah, yeah, where's
?
The dog which, yeah, where's uhwith millie alcott, they have
fantastic supergirl yeah, yeah,I loved that like I like that.
They made her a party girl yeahwhich she was.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
It was fantastic so, yeah, I think that, like that
was, that was good and lexluther standing there just like
going toe-to-toe with him, andeven in that scene I loved the
the fight sequences that theydid, uh, the the overall story
kind of like this, like supermandoing something and because he
(15:47):
genuinely just thinks it's rightand honestly it probably did
save a lot of lives and theimpacts that it does have, and
you know the, the people thatyou upset and the like.
Well, so, luke, I see you'reexcited about.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
So I'm excited, yeah, very excited.
Let's see some scores here.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
Sorry, I'm very sorry , I'm sorry thank you for
cutting up, but yeah, so if Ihad to, if I ripped it down the
middle, I gave a five for acting, I gave a 4.5 for
cinematography solid, oh, welost your audio luke, oh luke,
you cut out.
Oh, I pushed my wrist okay.
(16:22):
So, yeah, the acting wascinematography.
Your cinematography was what?
4.5 cinematography at 4.5.
I think that there was a couplethings that took away from me,
but over, like legitimately,there was nothing that took like
brought the movie down at anypoint, like there was like the
fight scenes could be a littlejarring at times and I didn't
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necessarily enjoy that and Ifeel like, uh, crypto at times
actually didn't look phenomenalto me, like I'd agree it looked
like a cgi dog, right but itdidn't.
I wasn't like, oh, I hate thisnow, like it just didn't, it
just didn't uh take away.
So yeah, score and soundtrack.
I gave a, I listened to it thenext day through on my phone and
(17:08):
I, yeah, it's like I will sayabout the soundtrack.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
I loved the return of the Teddy Bears and Iggy Pop.
I mean, james, if you recall,we used to play that.
Well, I mean, like you know,back and forth, depending on,
like you know, where we wererolling at the time that song
came up.
I don't remember that song.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
I don't know if I've ever heard that song before.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
Oh really, we played the shit out of that.
That must have been when I wasjust going.
I loved the return of that song, Me and Iggy Pop.
I think he needs to put afucking shirt on.
But hey, I think he needs toput a fucking shirt on hey
support to my shirtless brothersBeach.
Town.
I say that wherever I am.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
I say Beach Town, it doesn't matter, I could be in
Chicago, I could be in fucking.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Nebraska.
I also have a complicatedrelationship with Iggy just
because I'm a David Bowie guy.
But anyway, I digress.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
I'll have to listen to some other podcast to
understand what you mean by that.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
I just threw down a lot of music history right there
, especially if you're a punkrocker.
But anyway, I apologize, Luke.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
No, you're good.
I gave it a five.
I think it's iconic and I thinkthat even the next day in the
car, without the cinema and I,it still was hitting me the same
there was no random jurassicpark keyboard, that's for
fucking sure yeah, yeah, that'strue.
The music was pretty cohesive,the story and plot.
I gave a 4.5 just because Ithink that they relied on Crypto
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a little too much within thestory.
And it's not even his dog andI'm like man.
So what happens when she takeshim?
Are you just going to fuckingdie Because the only thing that
saved you was this dog, my God.
But at the same time I stillloved Crypto Don't get iconic.
Like very cool to see him inthe movie, but it took away from
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me a little bit.
And then also there was likethe part of the where she like
dropped him to, like she waslike gonna kill.
But I'm like show us it likewhy did you have to do that?
Like I was like you went thatfar, like let's see it like why
the splash?
I didn't like that transition.
I some of the things just feltlike it just didn't.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
I think it was the rating I think it was.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
The rating is the reason for that.
Yeah, yeah, um, and then therewatch ability.
I gave a five because I toldcam I want to watch this every
christmas eve.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
So obviously it was definitely.
Really it was that.
That was the highest score thatyou've ever given a movie on
this?
Speaker 2 (19:48):
yeah, for sure that might be.
That's like one of the.
I looked back, this is like oneof the highest scores I've
given a movie in like 18 monthsfucking hell.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
All right, I really enjoyed it.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
It just did it for me james gunn did it for me.
Okay, he's getting better atmovies and I just one last note
the comic relief that heactually and again, this is
signature james gunn, right,he's good at that sprinkling in,
it felt natural within themovie.
Um, and I know, maybe at times,but for the most part it really
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was like it fit the moments andI like took a note that I was
like, oh wow, like I like likeit was good comedic relief and
in the past few superhero moviesthat I've seen, it's like very
forced.
Right, I want to remembercheesy for later.
Okay, I want to talk aboutcheesy yeah, like gouda.
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Who's next?
Speaker 1 (20:44):
well, so what do you think, james?
Are you?
Speaker 2 (20:48):
next, you want me to go?
Next I'll go next because Ithink I have I differ you're
gonna, you're gonna be thesandwich yeah yeah, I'll be
sandwiched.
It's not not to say that Ididn't like this movie, but
we'll keep it a well.
We'll go ahead and move alongwith the ratings.
So acting I thought the actingwas really good.
I loved Mr Terrific yeah,because he originally played
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Darwin in the X-Men First Classand he got done dirty, yeah.
He did get done dirty, which wassome bullshit.
But that's man I don't know howto pronounce his name, it might
be Eddie Katagi Is Mr Terrific.
I thought he did a great job.
The I don't need your help.
I'm goddamn Mr Terrific.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
He was really good, he was terrific Literally.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
Mr Terrific was just that fucking terrific Because
like he was a standout reallygood, he played his character so
well.
I left that movie.
They nailed his, like the comicbook mask that he, like, they
nailed yeah, he he looked greatout of the fucking comic book
yeah, they did a great job withthem and I really I'm glad they
gave uh nathan fillion a greenlantern.
(22:03):
Fine it's been.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
We've wanted him as Green Lantern on film for many
many years We've wanted him asHal Jordan, and then finally, we
wait until he's 45 and give hima fucking.
I think that's a great joke.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
I think that's a great joke that they did.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
If we were doing Snyderverse back in the day, he
would have been an awesomefucking Hal Jordan.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
I think he was a great Guy Gardner.
I think it was very funny.
Guy Gardner is a piece of shit.
He's a prick and Nathan Fillioncan play a prick really well he
can.
But yeah, I think the actingwas really great.
I'm only going to give it a 4.5, though I thought some side
characters did.
Yeah, I know Yo, I'd never mindGive it a five for acting
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You've convinced it, it wasn'tenough cinematography.
So I thought the cinematographywas really good for a lot of it.
Like you said, the cgi wasn'tfantastic.
I'm willing to let that slide abit.
I'm not a big I'm not a hugesuperman fan.
I've seen a lot of his media,sure, uh, especially because I
like justice league stuff and Ilike yeah, I like batman more
(23:19):
like batman's.
My dc guy watch all this, allthis stuff.
So superman's less of that forme, but I still consumed so much
of his media and they.
They really captured the thefortress of solitude.
I loved the grandiosity of thecinematography on on the
fortress of solitude rising upout of the, out of the snow.
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I thought that was awesome.
So I'm gonna give it a drug,that shot where it comes above.
I thought that was allfantastic.
And they did a lot of greatvantage points for shots about
superman, like from underneathhim and stuff flying upward, and
he did it with the right kindof blocking of buildings behind
him and stuff to give you theright scale where I think some
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of the other interpretationslike superman was out in an open
field and shit, and I was likeI don't have any scale, I don't
have any, like my eye can't doenough to discern how awesome
this is, yeah, how truly fast itis, yeah, yeah, and and so I'm
gonna give the cinematography a4.5.
So you can see I'm differingfrom Luke here a lot.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
Oh yeah, the .5s here and there sprinkled around
Definitely.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
We're almost exactly.
We're different planets.
So this one actually, I do havea disagreement Because the
score I thought was excellentand there was actually one scene
that did take it out for me andit was the diegetic scene where
(24:52):
, like so, where the soundtrackplays in the movie.
So that scene with five yearstime, that one I would have
loved if that song wasn't in themovie.
I thought that was.
I thought that scene tore meout of it and I was like I'm
trying to focus on Mr FantasticFighting and Song.
I understand you want to doyour James Gunn cute fight.
(25:14):
You know, cute fight it's thething he does for, like
Guardians of the Galaxy and shit, and I didn't like it.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
I thought that was pretty forced.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
So I'm going to not actually knock this down to a
four, but I do.
I do find like the score thatwas done, the symphony score
that was done, was really goodand it felt grandiose and it had
these big swells.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
Yes, yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
Is that the word you're looking for?
Speaker 1 (25:42):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Yes, yes, that's what does an opposite drop.
Yeah, reverse drop, yes, yes,that's what it was.
An opposite drop, yeah, reversedrop for the story and plot I
liked.
I liked the plot, but I didn'tthink it was perfect and I had
to overlook a lot, even though Istill enjoyed it.
(26:03):
I'm gonna give it a four.
I thought that they did areally good job of, I think, the
genuineness of the plot.
That it was like kind ofstraightforward was nice.
It was nice just to have it bereally straightforward, because
that's kind of what they were.
Well, we'll get into in thenext round.
Superman is a straightforwardperson, though yeah and they did
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that with the story too, and itwas like a straightforward
movie um and then uh forrewatchability.
I've I've already seen thismovie again.
I already have tickets to see itagain I saw it really yeah, I
saw it in dolby first and Ireally love the dolby format.
(26:45):
Uh, I've advocated for it onthis show.
And then I went to go see it inimax with some friends and imax
it was such a tall screen.
I really got that um yougrandiosity in certain parts of
the movie.
But I realized that the moviefelt less close and intimate
than it did in dolby.
When I saw it in dolby Ithought like, oh, this is a
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really intimate movie.
That's not about grandiosity.
Oh okay, so it's kind ofinteresting the way I perceived
it differently.
Uh, but yeah, so those are myscores.
I don't think you gave a scorefor rewatchability.
A five oh five yeah, becauseI've already seen I've already
rewatched it can't.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
Can't argue with that .
I'll watch this movie again.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
I've got a Dolby TV, so I'll be watching it in Dolby,
I'm sure.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
You definitely were on a different fucking planet as
Luke there for sure.
Well, I'm ready to dive intothe Golden Path, so I'm going to
shoot these scores out for meActing.
There was no one who brought itdown for me.
The only thing that I regrettedwas not seeing, uh, lawrence
fishburne as perry white again.
(27:56):
For some reason, he was alwaysa standout for me in the origin,
in the man of steel, so I misslawrence fishburne as perry
white.
I I feel like lawrenceFishburne was done dirty, just
like he was in the new Matrixfilm by not being invited back
to the party.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
Also, he was done really dirty in the John Wick
films.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
Yep, yeah, he gets done dirty all the time.
That's just like what he does,he's done dirty yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
How'd you like Alan Tudyk as?
Speaker 1 (28:27):
Gary, oh no, I thought Well, how did you like
Alan Tudyk as Gary?
I also loved.
It.
Took me a second to recognizehim, but Anthony Kerrigan as
Metamorpho.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
Who's that?
The guy who made his hand into?
Speaker 1 (28:46):
Kryptonite.
He was in Barryry, oh no hohank from barry yeah oh, I
didn't even realize.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
I just thought, that could have been anyone with shit
?
Speaker 1 (28:54):
all over him, you know but I I think even that
showed the the the freakingrange that uh kerrigan has.
I've seen him as a psychopath.
I've seen him now as thegoofball in Barry and then to
see him cry over watchingsomeone get shot.
(29:15):
We don't see enough of him andI have a feeling Hollywood is
anti no eyebrows and if thereneeds to be a movement there
needs to be some posters.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
put up something because they solve the problem.
Yeah, they solve the problem.
Just put shit all over his faceand then and then you can do
that.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
Doesn't injustice actually?
Speaker 2 (29:36):
it's easier to put shit all over his face because
he doesn't have any hair yeah,caught up in here yeah, easy
peasy.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
Let's see, I'm going to give the acting a 4.5 only
because this movie did notprovide the opportunity for five
level acting.
There was no.
You know what?
I take that back.
It wasn't like, iconic is whatyou're saying.
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That's what I would say, butthey delivered the characters
they are.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
They did, they did.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
And, honestly, it's Lex Luthor that's going to
change my mind on that and I'mgoing to push it up to a five.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
Yeah, it's the cohesiveness that we were
talking about.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
You know when you have a cohesive movie.
It makes every part better, itmakes every part better.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
We literally said it in the movie.
I was like we literally talkedabout how just having what you
wanted to and then executing is.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
Oh yeah, I was being a dick, I apologize, I'm putting
it at a five cinematography.
It was clear that WarnerBrothers kidnapped James Gunn
and they said look man, youfucked up Suicide Squad pretty
hard.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
Wait, did he do the fuck up version or was he the
saving it version?
I thought they were both bad.
I liked the second one.
I liked the retry, yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
But I think Warner Brothers, they like tied him to
a chair and they like fuckingFight Club styled, wrapped a
hairband around his balls andwe're like dude, if you fuck up
Superman, we're restarting this,and if you fuck up our flagship
, we will take your testicles.
And so James Gunn put out fiveon cinematography here.
(31:27):
And so james gunn put out fiveon cinematography here.
The use of sun flares, all thethe wild environments, they put
them in fantastic.
The destruction of metropoliswas beautiful.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
It like fantastic across the board the scene where
he's flying around savingpeople felt chaotic, but it felt
like only he could be doing itin that moment like he, because
he's that fat in my head I waslike, yeah, only other flash,
but only he could be doing thisyeah, yeah, so five score.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
I thought it was the perfect mixture of christopher
reeve, superman andmodernization and I absolutely
like.
And this is going to be justunfair because they were
targeting me specifically.
Superman is my favoritecharacter.
He has been for some time andpunk rock is my fucking genre,
(32:16):
so just doing that was likemighty crab joys.
They were tickling my nuts anduh.
So yeah, I'm giving that a five.
Uh, I love the fuck out of itstory.
It was a simplistic story, butI understand why they did it.
I understand.
I'm willing to forgive a lothere, but I I am part of the
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definitive rating of film andpeople, tens of people across
the globe count on me to deliver, so I will be.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
Wait a second, are you?
Are you accumulating rings?
Did you start the show withthat many rings on?
I think you're accumulatingrings you have like.
How would I have done that?
Speaker 1 (33:04):
how would I have done that?
You're obviously hallucinating,you fucking wizard the story I
will give a four.
Um, just just was.
Uh they, they oversimplified,they wrapped up a few plots
rather quickly.
Um, I know, so you thought thepacing?
Speaker 2 (33:25):
wasn't perfect.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
The pacing was not perfect, especially when it came
to Lois and Clark specifically,it felt like we got from A to C
without a B, so I will givethat a four Rewatchability.
The second I get a chance.
I'm buying this on allplatforms.
Fucking five, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
I mean, it was really .
It was really clear to all ofus that James Gunn had a vision
and he went to any talk, to thewriter himself and he talked to.
You know, he had a writer'sroom and he had a.
He knew what he wanted to dofor the story, he knew what he
wanted to do for blocking on thecinematography, he knew how he
wanted to shoot the movie andsay you know, here's what I want
to.
I want to give you the essenceof what superman is as a story a
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fucking.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
Symbol of hope, symbol of safety, symbol of
peace, symbol of yeah well, wetalked about it on the last
episode with jurassic park, likeback when steven spielberg had
a fucking vision and put himselfin every goddamn room that led
to a final product.
But I feel like we're gettinginto the golden path here.
So if we're going to do that,it's time Our final shot, final
(34:33):
hit, it's time to jump onto thisgolden path.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
Well before that the score we were 0.1 off from a 5.
But we are at a 4.5 out of 5for Superman.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
Congratulations.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
Superman.
Yes, I think that's highestrated, or do we have another 4.5
?
Speaker 1 (34:53):
I would say that's the highest raw rating before we
rounded yeah, 4.7, 4.7, oh,yeah, so yeah um, yeah, almost
had it.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
Superman that would have been.
I was like it might.
Honestly your guys' storyscores were fair.
I think it deserved that Wellhere's to the highest rated
movie on High End.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
Podcast Cheers.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
Luke had to run outside to smoke.
Oh boy, that is the onedownside.
You can't just smoke everywhere.
You can drink pretty muchanywhere, though I do.
Yeah, yeah, I can't my joblisten to this fucking podcast.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
I'd be in trouble, is that true?
Speaker 2 (35:42):
they don't let you do that.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
They don't let you drink that they don't let you
drink.
No, I mean, it's just medrinking everywhere.
They don't generally appreciatethat, but I'm still gonna, oh
yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
I mean as long as no one can tell you're drinking
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (35:57):
It's okay.
Yeah, there's been a few closecalls.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
All right, man, I think it's time for us to sit
down and talk about Okay, Luke'sback.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
All right.
So all right.
You had to pull over again onyour way to work to take another
drink, another toke.
Our listeners don't pull over.
Fucking nerds pull over.
It's time to jump onto thegolden path.
(36:34):
So let's dig into this movie.
I feel like we have a fuckloadto talk about.
Let's get after it.
You start then luke.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
Good sir, luke, you've been dying for it uh I
think that they're like if youwant me to jump in, I'll jump in
.
There's a lot of obviousmessages in the movie and, like
you guys said, it is simplisticand it's um very forward
storytelling I apologize forjumping back real quick.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
So we had luke's.
Uh, james, you had a great idea.
We had luke's um familiaritywith the character.
James, what's your familiaritywith the character?
Speaker 2 (37:08):
I well, I briefly went over.
I don't know how much I'd, youknow, go into it.
It wasn't a car, I wasn't.
I've been a comic book person.
I've only read one comic bookand didn't like it and I was
like it's not for me and uh.
And then I, uh, I've, I'veconsumed.
They release animated JusticeLeague movies on HBO Max and I
(37:32):
watch those.
Yeah, I never watched the oldSuperman, but the Christopher
Reeve Superman, but one of thefront.
One of my friends I went to themovie with was like this
reminds me of Superman 2, iswhat they said, and so.
But in the more recent ones Iknow lois lane is a lot feistier
(37:53):
and I think they got thatreally down really well with
miss mazel 100 I don't know, Idon't know what she stood, and
she stood toe-to-toe with, uh,superman, yeah, yeah, which who
she is as a person and they'redynamic.
They captured it really well.
I've seen superman, yeah, yeah,which who she is as a person
and they're dynamic, theycaptured it really well.
I've seen superman be a paragonof good who cries over the lost
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squirrel or whatever.
This superman in this moviedidn't cry.
He was like, you know, like wecould have done better.
He was like a person who wasn'tdestroyed.
He was a, a Superman thatwasn't destroyed by failure and
it was.
It was really refreshing to seea Superman like that.
I don't think it's the Supermanthat's always portrayed.
(38:36):
I've seen Superman be kind of adick sometimes, like in those
versions where he goes evil orhe gets jaded or it's other
verse or whatever.
Yeah, but yeah, I've consumed alot.
Speaker 1 (38:48):
So, uh, yeah, for me, before we jump back to Luke,
superman is my character.
I and a lot of people aresurprised by that I get a lot of
like, really, I mean they, theyfigured it was going to be like
spawn or Batman, or you knowone of them I really like spawn,
which you wouldn't think,because I'm pretty milquetoast.
(39:10):
I love spawn but uh, if mycamera can move, there are
statues of superman right overthere.
I have his comic books.
Um, I've enjoyed a lot of hisiterations.
I am always very bleh when thewriters feel that the only way
to make the characterinteresting is by making him
(39:31):
evil.
And it's like you don'tunderstand superman and so right
, look out of here.
You don't understand him.
If the only way you think thatit's possible to make him
interesting is to darken him,you don't get it, you miss the
the point or make him weak, ormake him weak.
Depowered.
You know you miss the point.
That being said, I will say oneof my favorite iterations of
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Superman was New 52.
So the nerds who are listeningto the podcast will know that
that was an iteration of thecomic book where they restarted
everything and the Superman wehad there was very much our
Supermanman.
Just he was learning a lot.
He was very.
He still had a lot of emotion,he was prone to anger, but that
(40:16):
was really the only change andone of the things I loved about
him was he was coming about thefirst time Trump was elected and
in in a lot of the black livematter protests.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
And I think you're probably thinking Ferguson.
Speaker 1 (40:35):
Ferguson protests.
Black lives matter ones as well.
It wasn't until 2020.
Speaker 2 (40:39):
I don't think that's the end of Trump's presence.
Speaker 1 (40:42):
That spread was about four years.
Okay, so this iteration wasaround for a little while and
this superman did lose hispowers and I hate it when they
do that because, like we, theonly way we can make but he lost
his powers because he learned anew power, which was supernova,
where he explodes like a starand then he has to regain his
(41:03):
powers for a couple of weeks andin that couple of weeks he
punches a cop.
I'm like hell.
Yeah, this is my Superman.
Speaker 2 (41:15):
I can punch them without destroying them.
Now I got to use this while Ican.
Speaker 1 (41:20):
And they used that storyline where he was
protecting protesters frompolice and he winds up fucking
cracking a cop in the jaw andI'm like, yeah, this is my
Superman.
But, as I'm saying, I'm a hugefan of Superman, I love his
iterations, I love the thingsthey do with him, I love the
message and he's the one Irelate to the most, so I'm all
(41:43):
about it.
I have his comic books stackedup.
But back to you, luke.
What was your golden path?
Speaker 2 (41:51):
So I think Superman is always a simple story.
He's a character who is rooted,he's a working man in New York
City and Lex Luthor is a hyperrich piece of shit, and I think
that there is elon musk in yeah,there's very obvious comparison
(42:14):
.
Yeah, it's like a fucking.
It's an obvious like push tojust be like yeah, they're hyper
rich or shitty.
Speaker 1 (42:22):
Um, and yeah, like like when hot girl dropped net
and yahoo off of it yeah, veryobviously you won't kill me.
Speaker 2 (42:31):
Yeah, oh, you're barking up the wrong.
You should see the planet thischick is from.
Yeah, yeah she, yeah she.
You're lucky she didn't ripyour fucking head off and then
drop you and fuck your head andthen feed it to your wife.
Yeah, so I I think that that's apretty obvious, all of it's
pretty obvious.
Um, and then also, I think theconcept of doing what is right
(42:56):
versus what is like right forcertain people, I, you know it's
very obvious that, like,everybody is like, oh well, you
know, you can't just do thatbecause you, because then
they're going to be mad at usand it's like but they were just
about to slaughter millionsbecause, but at the same time,
there's also I feel like theywere good at showing that
(43:19):
there's implications still fordecision, even if it is what's
right and it's going to say likethere's implications, there's
always going to be implications,but, regardless of your fucking
politics, there's good andthere's bad.
Speaker 1 (43:30):
there is yeah, yes, and I, I like, I feel like our
society felt that it grew out ofthat and so everything needed
to have shades of gray,everything needed to be like
this watchman-esque uh, fuckingmoral relativity yeah, moral
relativity, and we as a societyfelt that we grew out of.
(43:52):
Everything is good and bad andwe're like we're done with
superman.
But then look where the fuckthat got us.
We elected trump for the secondfucking time and now superman
comes back and the whole messageis fuck your politics.
People were going to die, yes,and we're like, oh yeah, maybe
(44:12):
we didn't grow out of that yeah,uh, it reminds me of henry
cavill's.
Speaker 2 (44:18):
You know, henry cavill's superman in his movie
had to kill zod, like that wasthe thought experiment that was
put before him.
And that's the thing aboutthought experiments they're not
realistic, whatever.
But superman in their version,killed, thought he did the thing
that he never does, which iskill people.
But he had to have this moralrelativity.
(44:40):
It's something we needed at thetime, because we felt that
representations of the systemsat play weren't accurate.
Cheesy movies that were feelgood or whatever weren't
acknowledging the reality thatthere are bad actors and bad
(45:01):
systems at play.
And uh, and this movieacknowledged all of that yes,
while it acknowledged it andsaved the squirrel.
Yeah, he acknowledged it, andthen he said really radical, I'm
going to continue doing radicalkindness like that's it's not.
It's not a kindness that isfair weather.
(45:22):
He's like no, I'm just gonnakeep doing.
I'm going to follow my heart.
I have the power and the agencyto live this way and I'm
choosing.
I'm choosing what I feel is thebetter way, and that way is
always to be kind and alwayspreserve life and do everything
you can to make it happen andyou make mistakes.
Speaker 1 (45:46):
It's acknowledgement, but still saying but it's still
the best way I can acknowledgethat, yeah, life is rough, life
is hard, life sucks, and thereare people here who are pieces
of shit, but I can make a choice.
Speaker 2 (46:03):
Yeah, and he keeps having people tell him it's he's
wrong or naive or yeah, andhe's like I don't care what you
think like, I'm going to keepbeing the way I am dude, and
that's what fucking punk and Iloved the tie-in to punk rock
historically that's what itfucking is is that you know?
(46:24):
middle fingers up, I'm gonna dothe right thing yeah, it's
middle fingers up to this brokensystem and it doesn't have to
be edgy and despondent and notand no, you know, and his
ability to influence that ontoothers, because at the end, when
green lantern and hot girl goto, I forget the top of my head
and they do, save them andliterally middle fingers, uh,
(46:46):
during, yeah, yeah fucking stickthem high, man be good yeah
like doing the right thing'salways the right thing.
Yeah, I think the radicalkindness was the best message of
the movie and they made itpretty clear, you know, yeah
which they needed to.
Speaker 1 (47:03):
Yeah, I don't know if anyone's looked at the fucking
window lately.
This was perfect timing, yeahyeah, they uh.
Speaker 2 (47:13):
It's.
Uh.
It's wild how many people arelike you gotta boycott this
movie.
It's it's anti-trump andanti-is, anti-jew and all these
things and it's like why aren'twe aren't, why aren't we being
like?
Everybody should be radicallykind like that, if you take all
(47:34):
the punk rock.
Speaker 1 (47:35):
People have been saying it they've been saying it
since the fucking late 50s, andif you saw something in this
film that offended you, likesomething superman did, that
offended you because you feltthat it struck your values, go
fuck or introspect, you canintrospect, you can always
(47:55):
introspect and I know you're notgonna.
Speaker 2 (47:57):
I know you're not gonna, so, mr terrific, mr
terrific, didn't help right awayand you know, the justice gang,
uh, you know, had to beconvinced to show up and even
when they showed up, they did itin their own way and there's
still some conflicting values.
Hawkgirl still totally killedBenjamin Netanyahu and I cheered
(48:19):
.
She has her agency.
She has her agency to do whatshe believes and I don't know.
It's the fantasy though thesesuper powerful people having the
agency and just solving all theproblems because they are good
(48:40):
and chose right.
Speaker 1 (48:42):
all of them like so we could all choose that.
You know like, if we all justchose that?
Speaker 2 (48:47):
could this is very of a time.
I think that this movie will belooked back upon and perhaps
rebelled against for its radicalkindness.
But that's the thing aboutbeing radical, you know, it's
like a revolutionary kind ofkindness that undermines a lot
of deeply held values aboutauthority.
(49:08):
You know, it really underminesall of them and it is radical.
Hmm.
Speaker 1 (49:15):
Yeah, people will be upset by this level of kindness
which is just so frustratingLuke.
Speaker 2 (49:24):
No, a hundred percent .
I, I, I agree.
I think that, like it's uh,that that was the only very
obvious message that they werepulling, like I said, was the
portrayal of him wanting to doright and just being a good
person, and it was reallygenuine too.
Speaker 1 (49:42):
I felt like the whole movie was genuine about it.
Speaker 2 (49:44):
Yeah, I felt like he canvassed that very well.
It's the thing about a movie.
When a movie can sell you onsomething and feel genuine, it
just makes it a good movie.
Speaker 1 (49:55):
Yeah, and this was a good movie and, honestly, just
because of that, just because ofthat, I would argue this was
one of the best superhero moviesI've ever fucking seen.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (50:09):
I did put it in my top five, for sure.
Speaker 1 (50:11):
I would argue this was one of the best superhero
movies I've ever fucking seen.
Yeah, I did put it in my topfive for sure.
Like it had like it wasn't justa superhero movie, it had a
message and God damn it Did itfucking go after it.
And like I went into it, Like Idid not.
I like I wanted to see HenryCavill continue to be superman.
I I wanted to finish that atleast and get fucking warner
(50:35):
brothers the hell out of thereor get.
I wanted all those things Iwanted to see the end of it and
I never cared for james gunn.
I didn't like anything he'sever done there.
There's not a single fuckingthing on his roster wow, really,
yeah, nothing, I didn't carefor guardians.
Speaker 2 (50:52):
I like.
Speaker 1 (50:53):
I liked guardians of the galaxy I, I'm anti-marvel,
yeah, so it's like did you?
Speaker 2 (50:59):
did you like the original iron man?
Like kind of that kind ofkicked off everything I thought
this captured a lot of theoriginal iron man, which was
that it was like a scrappy moviecoming from behind to, and it
had a cohesive message also andit was like a lesson learned and
all those things before marvelrealized who they were.
Speaker 1 (51:18):
When they did the first captain america, when they
did the first iron man, I wasall on board, yeah.
Then their movies turned toshit and then dc tried to follow
them like guys.
You're not marvel.
That's why we, why I fuckingread you instead yeah captain
america is a good uh a goodcomparison.
Speaker 2 (51:38):
Also, I love the first captain america yeah, he
was also radically kind,radically kind.
He wasn't as capable as hewasn't.
Speaker 1 (51:47):
He wasn't able to show it as capably as Superman,
though saving the squirrel, butthat was what was so cool about
it.
He was just this little scrawnydude that, like I, hate bullies
and he jumps on a grenade andall those things.
Yeah, I loved that movie and Ihated what Marvel did.
Good comparisons here, I feellike they're.
I think same deal.
Speaker 2 (52:06):
They put them in the same light.
Speaker 1 (52:07):
I agree, Captain America and Superman are very
but then Marvel and Disney justrealized that we're making more
money just being a fucking themepark, right.
Speaker 2 (52:16):
Yeah, yeah.
That was it's the corporatemovie structure of taking
everything and chopping it up sothat it can be arranged at the
will of some executive insteadof as a cohesive vision, from
shooting to editing to finalproduction.
Speaker 1 (52:31):
Yeah, yeah well fellas with that.
I think it's time to jump in athird portion portion of this.
Obviously, there's a lot wecould talk about here.
This was an incredible film andif you were offended by any of
the good in it, you're not goodyeah, it's pretty easy yeah, if
you hate good, that means you'rebad.
(52:52):
So that's just how words workwhat about the destruction of
property?
it's violent yeah destruction ofproperty is violence those
tanks should have been allowedto roll for those farmers yeah,
and netanyahu should have neverbeen trapped by an amazingly
gorgeous hawk woman.
(53:12):
But it's time to insertourselves into this film.
So I mean insert yourself intothe DC universe.
At this point we havetesticular torsion man.
We have like how do you arrivein this film?
Speaker 2 (53:37):
So I'll go first.
So I have a question who wasthe character, who was the
charon, like boatsman in theextra dimension, because to me
it looked like Parasite.
It was not.
Oh, it's not Parasite.
Speaker 1 (53:51):
That's not Parasite.
That was, I forget his name.
Speaker 2 (53:56):
He called him Mr Handsome, but I don't know if
that's.
Oh, that's actually his name.
Speaker 1 (54:01):
Yeah, it's Mr Handsome.
Yeah, I'm him.
You mean, he's just.
Speaker 2 (54:07):
What can Mr Handsome do Do?
Speaker 1 (54:08):
you know off the top of your head.
So he was a criminal mastermind, he was a Batman villain, he.
What could he do?
He hold on.
Speaker 2 (54:19):
Well so testicular torsion.
Speaker 1 (54:22):
Oh right, mr Handsome was actually female, really.
Yes God, what the fuck did mrhandsome do was?
Just criminal mastermind so itturns out this handsome, so it
doesn't matter.
Speaker 2 (54:38):
It doesn't matter because it turns out the whole
time I'm actually clay face andso, yeah, and so we're paddling
back and then I, you know, I, Itake, I drop blue, I drop uh lex
l Luthor off and I turn thisboat around and I start talking
to people and I start freeingpeople and undermining them.
And then I start taking theiridentities and I go home to
(55:01):
their husband and then I seducetheir husband.
It's actually Mia's clay faceat the end, when everyone's
released and that ballerina girlgoes and hugs her mom.
It's actually a very high clayface taking her spot.
I've inserted myself in herspot and I just go home.
She seems to have a blessedlife and I just take that life
(55:24):
for a while until I have amental breakdown.
Speaker 1 (55:26):
I always remember that your favorite character is
Clayface, so you must bethrilled about the Clayface film
that's coming out.
Speaker 2 (55:35):
I am so excited and I also think, is I also like Mike
Flanagan?
I know you're not that big of aMike Flanagan fan, I don't
think, but I am, I like it, Ilike him and I think it's going
to be good.
I mean, he did do the life ofChuck.
He did do the life of Chuck.
And I love the life of Chuck, Iliked.
Fall of the House of Usher, Iliked.
Speaker 1 (55:56):
The Last of Us.
So I like Doctor Sleep, I likedMidnight Mass until the ending,
and even in Doctor Sleep myproblem with Mike Flanagan is
that he doesn't know how to enda thing.
Speaker 2 (56:08):
Sure, clayface has no end.
I'm fine with it.
He is forever Dang.
As long as one drop, thatdrop's just gotta find some mud
or sludge.
Speaker 1 (56:21):
Got your Clayface back.
Luke, how do you show up inthis movie?
Speaker 2 (56:27):
I had a long think and I'd like to replace Lois
Lane as the love interest in thefilm.
Speaker 1 (56:33):
Hell yeah.
Like just as straight up asyourself.
Speaker 2 (56:37):
Yes, as myself.
Superman is gay and lovesluxurious mustaches.
Yes, yes, hashtag Superman isgay.
Speaker 1 (56:45):
You heard it here first, folks.
Speaker 2 (56:47):
I fall in love with this man, but I also.
I wouldn't change anything.
I hope I deliver the sameperformance.
She absolutely killed it and Iwant to be uh, I want to stand
toe-to-toe I want to be that forhim I want to be that for him,
his rock, um.
But I also want to get you know, the float up kiss sounds kind
of nice.
I don't know, could be fun getlifted onto that countertop.
Speaker 1 (57:08):
Kisses up at you.
Speaker 2 (57:09):
Yeah, but in ours I flip him around also.
Lift Superman up onto thecounter.
He'd roll around his arm andwrap your legs around his neck.
Speaker 1 (57:25):
The Hurricane Robin Triangle jump.
Motherfucker, Superman spendsall of his time being the
strongest thing ever.
Speaker 2 (57:38):
So when he comes home he wants to be manhandled.
Yeah, that's why I have a stash.
Is that he chose me?
Because he just wants a beardedstashed man you have a
kryptonite, prince albert.
Speaker 1 (57:51):
You make him weak in the knees.
Speaker 2 (57:55):
He doesn't know about the kryptonite so, yeah, this
movie automatically becomes thepeople who already hated its
worst nightmare.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, the gayagenda.
He's gay yeah, so yeah and uh,I would still 4.5 out of5.
Speaker 1 (58:16):
Phenomenal film yeah, fantastic, and clay faces
causing havoc.
Speaker 2 (58:22):
Even better.
Speaker 1 (58:23):
I love it no, uh, I would just show up on the uh.
What did uh guy gardner keepcalling the team justice?
Gang yeah, I, I would show upas just some character on the
justice gang who looks up tosuperman, comes from like a
darker mental state thansuperman but like is trying to
(58:45):
be to live up to superman.
I'd probably be like ateleporter of some kind, but
like I would show marvel thedamage that a teleporter could
actually do you know, is this areal character you're describing
or is it?
no, no, like this is of your owninvention.
Yeah, yeah like, if I'm afucking teleporter, I control
space.
Controlling space or time makesyou a fucking god right.
(59:10):
And so, yeah, I would just bethe super powerful teleporter
who's trying his best to live upto superman.
Speaker 2 (59:17):
Other than that, no fucking notes, you'd just be
there I would show up at the endand destroy some tanks yeah,
I'd help him destroy some tanks.
Speaker 1 (59:26):
I'd probably probably assist Mr Terrific.
As soon as Superman showed upand said I need help, like let's
go, I'm on it.
Where do you need me to go?
I'm a teleporter, that's what Ido.
Your name is Mr Terrific'sassistant.
And then I'd be like you knowLuke too.
Holy shit, what's he up tothese days?
And then Superman's like oh,nothing.
(59:49):
And I'm like that's weird.
It's weird that you paused.
And then I'm going to be likehey Luke, how do you know
Superman?
And I'm like, all right, that'sweird, are you fucking?
Speaker 2 (01:00:03):
Superman For about three months, clayfish for about
three months, clayface forabout three months whoa James
holy shit, it's Clay James.
Speaker 1 (01:00:16):
I'll be like you want to help me, I guess protect
Luke's boyfriend you know,clayface is an anti-hero.
Speaker 2 (01:00:27):
Sometimes he's not one thing I really love about
Clayface as a villain is thathe's not a lot of the times he's
not like spiteful, he's kind ofalso goofy and he's just a
maligned psychotic.
He just likes chaos.
Yeah, don't we all?
Speaker 1 (01:00:47):
He doesn't seem to really like killing that much.
Speaker 2 (01:00:50):
He's not often put in a position where he's trying to
kill people.
He's trying to do somethingelse.
Speaker 1 (01:00:54):
You know no, I uh, and I'm excited to see the clay
face movie.
I think that they felt thatthere was like there was a pull
towards it.
I'm excited.
Like I was not sure on JamesGunn, uh-huh Nothing.
I like I was not bothered bythe choice in Superman.
(01:01:15):
I thought he looked likeSuperman.
The only concern I had wasJames Gunn, and I'll admit when
I'm wrong.
I was wrong Nice.
Speaker 2 (01:01:24):
I hope that happens for Mike Flanagan too.
I hope that, I hope, I hope hedelivers an awesome movie that
happens for mike flanagan too.
Speaker 1 (01:01:31):
I hope that.
I hope.
I hope he delivers an awesomemovie.
I am excited to see this nextbecause it looks like finally,
warner brothers has said weobviously know nothing about dc,
it's comics or it's heroes.
We will stop fucking put ourfingers in it.
James gunn, do your thing, andso I'm all for it.
I'm ready to see the gunniverseum.
(01:01:51):
Zack snyder could pick one andsuck it.
He made rebel moon.
Speaker 2 (01:01:56):
Obviously we can't trust him yeah, exactly so yeah,
so he can go back to justfucking eating dry creatine and
fuck off somewhere you know,james gunn really did make this
one weird and that's nice, likethe superman robots and crypto
and all this is weird, weirdweird shit, dude and the
(01:02:19):
dimensional imp yeah, I was soexcited to learn with the
superman robots that it was alantudyk.
Alan tudyk is gary, yeah thatwas fucking awesome.
Speaker 1 (01:02:33):
So, uh well, hey, folks at home, I'm glad that you
made it to work after takingall those shots and hits and
daps and what have you.
Um, thank you for listening.
If you haven't seen it, gocheck out superman.
It is high and dry's highestrated film.
So good on you, superman.
(01:02:54):
It's good to have you back.
It's good.
That good is a thing ourculture needs and realizes now.
So let's fucking get after it.
I I hope this changes somethings and I hope in Superman 2
Hawkgirl drops fucking theavatar of Trump off a building.
Speaker 2 (01:03:14):
That'd be really cool too.
Maybe she could throw DonaldTrump into Putin and then Putin
flies into Kim Jong Un let's doit.
Speaker 1 (01:03:28):
It seems to me that it's pretty obvious that just
like 10 people need to go um,and I hope hot girl delivers, so
yeah you're right, you're mygorgeous assassin.
Speaker 2 (01:03:41):
It will let you do.
I'll let you kill whoever youwant you go for whoever you need
to you don't need you don'tneed my permission.
Speaker 1 (01:03:50):
You do what you're going to do, you don't, and your
screeches are just so sexy.
Speaker 2 (01:03:57):
They did a great job.
Speaker 1 (01:03:59):
Yeah, so hey, everybody, thanks for listening.
We're High and Dry Podcast.
I'm your host, ryan Baron,north, with me, as always, james
Crosland, luke.
Bye, bye.
Speaker 2 (01:04:08):
Bye.
I mean it just feels like we're ripe and ready.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
I'm always ripe and ready.
That's my superpower.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
Being ripe and ready.
Mine is that I could point atyou and cause testicular torsion
.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Ooh, very powerful.
My secret is that I always havetesticular torsion.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
You're my Lex Luthor.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
It's by design.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
I've cultivated this testicular torsion over many
years my left testicle isturning into a, like you know,
in the in the peanut, where theone just kind of crawls into the
corner and dies well, this one.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
You got to do it the safe way.
You got to twist it just alittle bit over time and then
release it.
You got to find your rightmedium for how much twist you're
putting, how much torque you'reputting on the nut.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Hey, everyone, welcome to high and shy podcast
I'm your host, ryan baron north,with me, as always, j always
James Crossland, luke, and weare the only podcast keeping
alive um testicular torsion as auh, you know, a project in of
itself, and code monkeys.
(01:15):
We keep alive the televisionseries code monkeys uh, that I
can't say I am.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Is that like?
Was that a cartoon?
Is that a cartoon on CartoonNetwork?
Speaker 1 (01:27):
No, it was a pixelated joint that I think hit
Comedy Central, if I remember.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Yeah, g4 is what this says.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
All right.
Well, I learned something newtoday there's a TV network.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
It used to be.
For a short period of timeright there, it was the, the
channel that gave rise to oliviamunn, because she hosted a
gaming show on that network, andthen olivia munn went on to
give rise to a lot of otherpeople.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Yeah, she went on to steal john mulaney from his wife
while they were both in rehabyep, yep that's one of john
mulaney's little dark secretsright, hey look, if you're gonna
have a pull something out ofrehab, that definitely is one
thing to do, for sure laughteris the best opiate.
Yeah, but like he had like this, this general sort of like, I
(02:27):
don't know, I feel like itmessed with his image more than
hers oh yeah, well, it's becauseall you have to do is be like,
well, who wouldn't sleep witholivia munn, given the chance?
Speaker 2 (02:39):
I, you know, I talked to shara.
I was like, you know, john mulkind of shitty for leaving his
wife for Olivia Munn.
So I talked to her.
I was like if Olivia Munn everwants to have a child with me,
can I?
And she was like obviously, yes, obviously do it.
Yeah, okay thank you, and Isaid same for you.
(03:00):
If Olivia Munn wants to fuckyou, you go for it.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
I believe in equality .
All bets are up, it's on.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Olivia munn is on the table, hopefully literally well
, so anyway, as much as we wantto talk about olivia munn for
this entire podcast, I don'tknow what you're.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Well, I'll have to look it up, yeah we're gonna
rate this son of a bitch allright.
We're gonna give you thedefinitive score way beyond
rotten tomatoes, fandangoespecially, um and we're gonna
give you the definitive scoreout of five for the new superman
film.
Then we're going to jump ontothe golden path, we're going to
(03:46):
break down the film's deepermeanings and, finally, we're
going to insert ourselves drugsand or alcohol into the picture.
And what makes it so specialand fun is that we're going to
be doing it drunk and high.
So, boys, uh, what are yousmoking this week?
Speaker 2 (04:01):
you go first, sir james, sure, all right.
So I've got a flower this week.
It's one that I've done before.
It's gelato, which it's not.
It's not the italian ice creamokay, it's cannabis, and it just
makes you feel like an italiancream running down your throat.
That's awesome.
(04:23):
I had a night like that inCroatia.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
So how about you look ?
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Uh, I have a candy matrix, a flower today.
I don't know, I've never, Idon't know anything about this,
I just know it is cannabis Nice.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
Myself as the resident alcoholic, I will be
trying this bullet bourbon 10years.
It's a 10-year bullet bourbon.
This was given to me by one.
It was donated by a WilliamTwaddell.
He felt that I would appreciatethat.
Donated by a William Twaddell,he felt that I would appreciate
that, and so I will be swiggingthat down and I will be chasing
(05:08):
it with a mixture here that Ihave of old Forrester 1920
Prohibition style.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
So you're having a rum and Coke, or is?
Speaker 1 (05:19):
it just.
This is a whiskey and Coke here115 horsepower that I'll be
using to chase this 91horsepower.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
I like fruit punch to chase my liquor.
I like liquor.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
I like a stronger liquor to chase my liquor.
So this first one goes out tothe film this week.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Here's Superman to Superman Cheers.
I'm lucky there's no smokealarms in this house.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
I wish I was a smoker , because, uh, same thing.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Yeah, I'm in the great outdoors, so not too
worried about it.
All right, so you're also in awet.
You're in the wet wet florida.
It is moist.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
It is moist out here I imagine the second one for
those of you following along athome make sure that you pulled
over to the side of the road totake your shots and or daps and
hits or, or have your passengerhand them to you.
That's acceptable too, as longas you do it safely, exactly.
(06:32):
This second one goes out to ournewest listeners.
Our newest listeners are comingat us from Glen Olden
Pennsylvania.
I feel, like we get a lot of PA.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Yeah, I feel like pa has been listened quite a bit uh
pennsylvania starting to comein hot, I guess pennsylvania.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Someone over there has been talking about us at
like a local diner or some such.
I wonder if it's oscar.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
Hi oscar.
Oscar lives in pennsylvania.
Cheers.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Well, here's to him.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Cheers.
The 10-year bullet does have anaged flavor, oh that's good.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
Yes, very smooth.
I mean I guess it is a 91 proof.
Oh Luke, right, there is reallyfighting that one.
That was Very smooth, I mean Iguess it is a 91 proof oh, luke,
right, there is really fightingthat one.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
That was not smooth.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
It looks like a bullfighter.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
You got to record the coughing.
You can't just the audiencewants to hear it, it's the
reason they're crying.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Okay, okay, I can give it to them I can give it to
them.
I feel, bad.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
I'm like, oh my God, I'm going to blow people's ears
out with this violent coffee.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
I think it adds an authenticity to it.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
I can appreciate that .
All right, I can't help becausenerves in my throat are dead
from all the smoking.
I do, yeah, smoking Final shot.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Final hit this one Sweet Italian cream.
Thinking about the movie, thisgoes out to Italian cream.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Sweet rich dense Italian cream.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Drink some water Cold oddly.
How are you this dehydrated?
It comes out like pancakebatter.
Oh, oh shit.
(08:37):
Well, let's dive on it.
So we just saw superman.
How do we feel let's rape thisbad boy.
Luke, you want to kick this oneoff?
Speaker 2 (08:52):
yeah, because I haven't stopped fucking talking
about this movie this entireweek or since I saw it on
thursday.
All right, let's go.
Can you start by giving yourbackground with superman,
because he's an intellectualproperty, of course, but he's
had a lot of iterations and whoknows which ones you've
experienced and what kind ofexpectations you had going in,
(09:12):
because I think a lot of peoplehad expectations, I so I have
seen the movies from the early2000s.
I never saw anything from likethe 80s, but I did watch
superman returns and then man ofsteel and and then batman
versus superman, which was, Ithink, the like all the later.
So anything in the 2000s andsince that's like the supermans
(09:35):
that I've seen.
The live actions, yeah, yeah,yeah, live action.
Oh, and I mean I've seencartoons too, like I watched
justice league as a kid and likewith superman and stuff like
that.
I've watched some cartoons aswell, with superman, I would say
, and, honestly, my bigger, Iread a lot of batman comic books
.
Okay, so I, I am a fan of dc asa whole.
(09:57):
That's like dc is probably my.
If I had to go between marvelor dc, I'm a dc fan.
I think like the characters areamazing, I think the villains
are just incredible.
Dc's villains are just like thebest, like best, top notch,
yeah.
So, yeah, I I had a lot of highexpectations and even from the
first preview I saw of thismovie, I was excited, like
(10:17):
obviously I think a lot ofsuperhero movies do decent
previews, because it's justexciting, right right.
But right away, like I noticed,the color palette was brighter
and I noticed that this guy whoeveryone was doubting because
henry cavill was everyone'ssuperman, yeah, well, yeah,
certainly, yeah, certainly thetwo of the 2000s.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
He was yes 100.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
It had the look.
I get it.
Henill man, that's my hall pass.
When I asked Cam if I have thechance to have a baby with Henry
Cavill, am I allowed?
She said yeah, and I told hervice versa, you can marry him.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
You should be offended if you didn't.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
Yeah so.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
I love Henry Cavill.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
That's why I fell in love.
I want nothing david corden, soI is my superman like at first
preview I felt that way um, wow,okay, yeah, like I really,
really liked him and I reallythink that like he embodies just
like a dude who wants to dogood, um, and that's kind of
like what superman is is just aguy like, yeah, he's from a
different planet, but, at theend of the day, just a man who
wants to do good, who was raisedby people that gave him good
(11:27):
values just on the, on the, thecavill piece of it they did pick
, I think, um henry his face.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
It embodied more darker, moodier superman yeah
and that he has moody face, forsure he's.
Yeah, he had moody face, butnow we have sort of like he's
almost he's got a little babyface going on, just a little bit
, you know yeah, I would agree,I'd agree, and I feel it fit
really well.
But he still has the supermanjawline.
No fucking doubt about it, sure?
Speaker 2 (12:01):
but, I feel, like superman isn't a gritty
character in like.
From my understanding of thecharacter, he's not like a
gritty character and I feel likeSuperman isn't a gritty
character in like.
From my understanding of thecharacter, he's not like a
gritty character and I feel likewell, I'm going to dive into
that on the go.
I promise you that earlyportrayal of Superman I do know
that there is like I played theInjustice games as well.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
Yeah, yeah.
So like I know, like when weget on the golden path, we're at
risk of this being a Titaniclength fucking episode.
I tell you that right now we'lljust let you go for it, but
yeah, okay.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
But yeah, so that's my background and I was really
excited for the movie going inand, with that being said, I
don't think that it let me down.
In all honesty, I think thatthe movie was exciting.
The movie was exciting.
I think that the acting washonestly really really good.
I think that a lot ofcharacters brought it.
I think side characters evenwere really solid.
(12:53):
There was a couple that weren'tphenomenal for me, but it
wasn't enough to take away fromgenuine standout performances
like Lois Lane, I think.
Oh my God, god, that was by farthe coolest depiction of lois
lane I've ever seen.
Yeah, that was miss mazel.
I don't know if either of youhave seen marvelous mrs mazel,
uh, but really good show.
(13:15):
Yeah, yeah, for me it kind ofgot a little too much with the
bickering and shit, but uh, thethe, she was like really good in
it.
She played a comedian.
I like the thing is.
I felt like every piece of heron screen was golden.
She was probably a standouteven over Corn.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
Sweat.
She was fantastic oh my God.
I have to agree with you.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Yeah, that scene where Rachel Brosnahan is her
name Sorry, I just wanted to getthat out there.
Yeah, rachel Brosnahan hand isher name, sorry, I just wanted
to get that out.
Yeah.
Yeah, rachel rosin, and whenshe that scene with uh corn
sweat and her in the in the roomwhen they're doing the
interview, like I like as as ascene that's like pulled away
from action, like it tends canget boring, and I'm like drawn
(13:58):
every time.
Like even the side pieces of thestory I thought were really
good.
So I really liked the acting.
Cinematography was really good.
The CGI I think was solid.
I think that they took theirtime.
I thought the monster fightlooked pretty good and I didn't
(14:20):
really like again, nothing tookaway from the movie in any way.
For me the score and soundtrackwere very good.
They did reuse kind of asimilar kind of drop repeatedly,
but every time, like I was intoit, like they said, it was a
good execution of like a good,very intense drop.
(14:41):
I guess it's not exactly whatI'm trying to say.
And then story and plot Ireally like.
Lex luther is, uh, by far one ofthe coolest and most dynamic
villains of all time theycaptured comic book lex luther
oh yeah they finally showed whysuperman is concerned about lex
luther because he can fuck withsuperman, like he goes
(15:04):
toe-to-toe with that scene wheresuperman walks in and he's
yelling where's my dog?
Like throwing shit around andkind of throwing a temper
tantrum.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Well, not his dog, he's a yeah, yeah, yeah, where's
?
The dog which, yeah, where's uhwith millie alcott, they have
fantastic supergirl yeah, yeah,I loved that like I like that.
They made her a party girl yeahwhich she was.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
It was fantastic so, yeah, I think that, like that
was, that was good and lexluther standing there just like
going toe-to-toe with him, andeven in that scene I loved the
the fight sequences that theydid, uh, the the overall story
kind of like this, like supermandoing something and because he
(15:47):
genuinely just thinks it's rightand honestly it probably did
save a lot of lives and theimpacts that it does have, and
you know the, the people thatyou upset and the like.
Well, so, luke, I see you'reexcited about.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
So I'm excited, yeah, very excited.
Let's see some scores here.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
Sorry, I'm very sorry , I'm sorry thank you for
cutting up, but yeah, so if Ihad to, if I ripped it down the
middle, I gave a five for acting, I gave a 4.5 for
cinematography solid, oh, welost your audio luke, oh luke,
you cut out.
Oh, I pushed my wrist okay.
(16:22):
So, yeah, the acting wascinematography.
Your cinematography was what?
4.5 cinematography at 4.5.
I think that there was a couplethings that took away from me,
but over, like legitimately,there was nothing that took like
brought the movie down at anypoint, like there was like the
fight scenes could be a littlejarring at times and I didn't
(16:43):
necessarily enjoy that and Ifeel like, uh, crypto at times
actually didn't look phenomenalto me, like I'd agree it looked
like a cgi dog, right but itdidn't.
I wasn't like, oh, I hate thisnow, like it just didn't, it
just didn't uh take away.
So yeah, score and soundtrack.
I gave a, I listened to it thenext day through on my phone and
(17:08):
I, yeah, it's like I will sayabout the soundtrack.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
I loved the return of the Teddy Bears and Iggy Pop.
I mean, james, if you recall,we used to play that.
Well, I mean, like you know,back and forth, depending on,
like you know, where we wererolling at the time that song
came up.
I don't remember that song.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
I don't know if I've ever heard that song before.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
Oh really, we played the shit out of that.
That must have been when I wasjust going.
I loved the return of that song, Me and Iggy Pop.
I think he needs to put afucking shirt on.
But hey, I think he needs toput a fucking shirt on hey
support to my shirtless brothersBeach.
Town.
I say that wherever I am.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
I say Beach Town, it doesn't matter, I could be in
Chicago, I could be in fucking.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Nebraska.
I also have a complicatedrelationship with Iggy just
because I'm a David Bowie guy.
But anyway, I digress.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
I'll have to listen to some other podcast to
understand what you mean by that.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
I just threw down a lot of music history right there
, especially if you're a punkrocker.
But anyway, I apologize, Luke.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
No, you're good.
I gave it a five.
I think it's iconic and I thinkthat even the next day in the
car, without the cinema and I,it still was hitting me the same
there was no random jurassicpark keyboard, that's for
fucking sure yeah, yeah, that'strue.
The music was pretty cohesive,the story and plot.
I gave a 4.5 just because Ithink that they relied on Crypto
(18:48):
a little too much within thestory.
And it's not even his dog andI'm like man.
So what happens when she takeshim?
Are you just going to fuckingdie Because the only thing that
saved you was this dog, my God.
But at the same time I stillloved Crypto Don't get iconic.
Like very cool to see him inthe movie, but it took away from
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me a little bit.
And then also there was likethe part of the where she like
dropped him to, like she waslike gonna kill.
But I'm like show us it likewhy did you have to do that?
Like I was like you went thatfar, like let's see it like why
the splash?
I didn't like that transition.
I some of the things just feltlike it just didn't.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
I think it was the rating I think it was.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
The rating is the reason for that.
Yeah, yeah, um, and then therewatch ability.
I gave a five because I toldcam I want to watch this every
christmas eve.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
So obviously it was definitely.
Really it was that.
That was the highest score thatyou've ever given a movie on
this?
Speaker 2 (19:48):
yeah, for sure that might be.
That's like one of the.
I looked back, this is like oneof the highest scores I've
given a movie in like 18 monthsfucking hell.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
All right, I really enjoyed it.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
It just did it for me james gunn did it for me.
Okay, he's getting better atmovies and I just one last note
the comic relief that heactually and again, this is
signature james gunn, right,he's good at that sprinkling in,
it felt natural within themovie.
Um, and I know, maybe at times,but for the most part it really
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was like it fit the moments andI like took a note that I was
like, oh wow, like I like likeit was good comedic relief and
in the past few superhero moviesthat I've seen, it's like very
forced.
Right, I want to remembercheesy for later.
Okay, I want to talk aboutcheesy yeah, like gouda.
(20:42):
Who's next?
Speaker 1 (20:44):
well, so what do you think, james?
Are you?
Speaker 2 (20:48):
next, you want me to go?
Next I'll go next because Ithink I have I differ you're
gonna, you're gonna be thesandwich yeah yeah, I'll be
sandwiched.
It's not not to say that Ididn't like this movie, but
we'll keep it a well.
We'll go ahead and move alongwith the ratings.
So acting I thought the actingwas really good.
I loved Mr Terrific yeah,because he originally played
(21:14):
Darwin in the X-Men First Classand he got done dirty, yeah.
He did get done dirty, which wassome bullshit.
But that's man I don't know howto pronounce his name, it might
be Eddie Katagi Is Mr Terrific.
I thought he did a great job.
The I don't need your help.
I'm goddamn Mr Terrific.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
He was really good, he was terrific Literally.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
Mr Terrific was just that fucking terrific Because
like he was a standout reallygood, he played his character so
well.
I left that movie.
They nailed his, like the comicbook mask that he, like, they
nailed yeah, he he looked greatout of the fucking comic book
yeah, they did a great job withthem and I really I'm glad they
gave uh nathan fillion a greenlantern.
(22:03):
Fine it's been.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
We've wanted him as Green Lantern on film for many
many years We've wanted him asHal Jordan, and then finally, we
wait until he's 45 and give hima fucking.
I think that's a great joke.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
I think that's a great joke that they did.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
If we were doing Snyderverse back in the day, he
would have been an awesomefucking Hal Jordan.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
I think he was a great Guy Gardner.
I think it was very funny.
Guy Gardner is a piece of shit.
He's a prick and Nathan Fillioncan play a prick really well he
can.
But yeah, I think the actingwas really great.
I'm only going to give it a 4.5, though I thought some side
characters did.
Yeah, I know Yo, I'd never mindGive it a five for acting
(22:56):
You've convinced it, it wasn'tenough cinematography.
So I thought the cinematographywas really good for a lot of it.
Like you said, the cgi wasn'tfantastic.
I'm willing to let that slide abit.
I'm not a big I'm not a hugesuperman fan.
I've seen a lot of his media,sure, uh, especially because I
like justice league stuff and Ilike yeah, I like batman more
(23:19):
like batman's.
My dc guy watch all this, allthis stuff.
So superman's less of that forme, but I still consumed so much
of his media and they.
They really captured the thefortress of solitude.
I loved the grandiosity of thecinematography on on the
fortress of solitude rising upout of the, out of the snow.
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I thought that was awesome.
So I'm gonna give it a drug,that shot where it comes above.
I thought that was allfantastic.
And they did a lot of greatvantage points for shots about
superman, like from underneathhim and stuff flying upward, and
he did it with the right kindof blocking of buildings behind
him and stuff to give you theright scale where I think some
(24:03):
of the other interpretationslike superman was out in an open
field and shit, and I was likeI don't have any scale, I don't
have any, like my eye can't doenough to discern how awesome
this is, yeah, how truly fast itis, yeah, yeah, and and so I'm
gonna give the cinematography a4.5.
So you can see I'm differingfrom Luke here a lot.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
Oh yeah, the .5s here and there sprinkled around
Definitely.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
We're almost exactly.
We're different planets.
So this one actually, I do havea disagreement Because the
score I thought was excellentand there was actually one scene
that did take it out for me andit was the diegetic scene where
(24:52):
, like so, where the soundtrackplays in the movie.
So that scene with five yearstime, that one I would have
loved if that song wasn't in themovie.
I thought that was.
I thought that scene tore meout of it and I was like I'm
trying to focus on Mr FantasticFighting and Song.
I understand you want to doyour James Gunn cute fight.
(25:14):
You know, cute fight it's thething he does for, like
Guardians of the Galaxy and shit, and I didn't like it.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
I thought that was pretty forced.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
So I'm going to not actually knock this down to a
four, but I do.
I do find like the score thatwas done, the symphony score
that was done, was really goodand it felt grandiose and it had
these big swells.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
Yes, yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
Is that the word you're looking for?
Speaker 1 (25:42):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Yes, yes, that's what does an opposite drop.
Yeah, reverse drop, yes, yes,that's what it was.
An opposite drop, yeah, reversedrop for the story and plot I
liked.
I liked the plot, but I didn'tthink it was perfect and I had
to overlook a lot, even though Istill enjoyed it.
(26:03):
I'm gonna give it a four.
I thought that they did areally good job of, I think, the
genuineness of the plot.
That it was like kind ofstraightforward was nice.
It was nice just to have it bereally straightforward, because
that's kind of what they were.
Well, we'll get into in thenext round.
Superman is a straightforwardperson, though yeah and they did
(26:25):
that with the story too, and itwas like a straightforward
movie um and then uh forrewatchability.
I've I've already seen thismovie again.
I already have tickets to see itagain I saw it really yeah, I
saw it in dolby first and Ireally love the dolby format.
(26:45):
Uh, I've advocated for it onthis show.
And then I went to go see it inimax with some friends and imax
it was such a tall screen.
I really got that um yougrandiosity in certain parts of
the movie.
But I realized that the moviefelt less close and intimate
than it did in dolby.
When I saw it in dolby Ithought like, oh, this is a
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really intimate movie.
That's not about grandiosity.
Oh okay, so it's kind ofinteresting the way I perceived
it differently.
Uh, but yeah, so those are myscores.
I don't think you gave a scorefor rewatchability.
A five oh five yeah, becauseI've already seen I've already
rewatched it can't.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
Can't argue with that .
I'll watch this movie again.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
I've got a Dolby TV, so I'll be watching it in Dolby,
I'm sure.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
You definitely were on a different fucking planet as
Luke there for sure.
Well, I'm ready to dive intothe Golden Path, so I'm going to
shoot these scores out for meActing.
There was no one who brought itdown for me.
The only thing that I regrettedwas not seeing, uh, lawrence
fishburne as perry white again.
(27:56):
For some reason, he was alwaysa standout for me in the origin,
in the man of steel, so I misslawrence fishburne as perry
white.
I I feel like lawrenceFishburne was done dirty, just
like he was in the new Matrixfilm by not being invited back
to the party.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
Also, he was done really dirty in the John Wick
films.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
Yep, yeah, he gets done dirty all the time.
That's just like what he does,he's done dirty yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
How'd you like Alan Tudyk as?
Speaker 1 (28:27):
Gary, oh no, I thought Well, how did you like
Alan Tudyk as Gary?
I also loved.
It.
Took me a second to recognizehim, but Anthony Kerrigan as
Metamorpho.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
Who's that?
The guy who made his hand into?
Speaker 1 (28:46):
Kryptonite.
He was in Barryry, oh no hohank from barry yeah oh, I
didn't even realize.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
I just thought, that could have been anyone with shit
?
Speaker 1 (28:54):
all over him, you know but I I think even that
showed the the the freakingrange that uh kerrigan has.
I've seen him as a psychopath.
I've seen him now as thegoofball in Barry and then to
see him cry over watchingsomeone get shot.
(29:15):
We don't see enough of him andI have a feeling Hollywood is
anti no eyebrows and if thereneeds to be a movement there
needs to be some posters.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
put up something because they solve the problem.
Yeah, they solve the problem.
Just put shit all over his faceand then and then you can do
that.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
Doesn't injustice actually?
Speaker 2 (29:36):
it's easier to put shit all over his face because
he doesn't have any hair yeah,caught up in here yeah, easy
peasy.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
Let's see, I'm going to give the acting a 4.5 only
because this movie did notprovide the opportunity for five
level acting.
There was no.
You know what?
I take that back.
It wasn't like, iconic is whatyou're saying.
(30:05):
That's what I would say, butthey delivered the characters
they are.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
They did, they did.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
And, honestly, it's Lex Luthor that's going to
change my mind on that and I'mgoing to push it up to a five.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
Yeah, it's the cohesiveness that we were
talking about.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
You know when you have a cohesive movie.
It makes every part better, itmakes every part better.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
We literally said it in the movie.
I was like we literally talkedabout how just having what you
wanted to and then executing is.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
Oh yeah, I was being a dick, I apologize, I'm putting
it at a five cinematography.
It was clear that WarnerBrothers kidnapped James Gunn
and they said look man, youfucked up Suicide Squad pretty
hard.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
Wait, did he do the fuck up version or was he the
saving it version?
I thought they were both bad.
I liked the second one.
I liked the retry, yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
But I think Warner Brothers, they like tied him to
a chair and they like fuckingFight Club styled, wrapped a
hairband around his balls andwe're like dude, if you fuck up
Superman, we're restarting this,and if you fuck up our flagship
, we will take your testicles.
And so James Gunn put out fiveon cinematography here.
(31:27):
And so james gunn put out fiveon cinematography here.
The use of sun flares, all thethe wild environments, they put
them in fantastic.
The destruction of metropoliswas beautiful.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
It like fantastic across the board the scene where
he's flying around savingpeople felt chaotic, but it felt
like only he could be doing itin that moment like he, because
he's that fat in my head I waslike, yeah, only other flash,
but only he could be doing thisyeah, yeah, so five score.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
I thought it was the perfect mixture of christopher
reeve, superman andmodernization and I absolutely
like.
And this is going to be justunfair because they were
targeting me specifically.
Superman is my favoritecharacter.
He has been for some time andpunk rock is my fucking genre,
(32:16):
so just doing that was likemighty crab joys.
They were tickling my nuts anduh.
So yeah, I'm giving that a five.
Uh, I love the fuck out of itstory.
It was a simplistic story, butI understand why they did it.
I understand.
I'm willing to forgive a lothere, but I I am part of the
(32:41):
definitive rating of film andpeople, tens of people across
the globe count on me to deliver, so I will be.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
Wait a second, are you?
Are you accumulating rings?
Did you start the show withthat many rings on?
I think you're accumulatingrings you have like.
How would I have done that?
Speaker 1 (33:04):
how would I have done that?
You're obviously hallucinating,you fucking wizard the story I
will give a four.
Um, just just was.
Uh they, they oversimplified,they wrapped up a few plots
rather quickly.
Um, I know, so you thought thepacing?
Speaker 2 (33:25):
wasn't perfect.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
The pacing was not perfect, especially when it came
to Lois and Clark specifically,it felt like we got from A to C
without a B, so I will givethat a four Rewatchability.
The second I get a chance.
I'm buying this on allplatforms.
Fucking five, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
I mean, it was really .
It was really clear to all ofus that James Gunn had a vision
and he went to any talk, to thewriter himself and he talked to.
You know, he had a writer'sroom and he had a.
He knew what he wanted to dofor the story, he knew what he
wanted to do for blocking on thecinematography, he knew how he
wanted to shoot the movie andsay you know, here's what I want
to.
I want to give you the essenceof what superman is as a story a
(34:12):
fucking.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
Symbol of hope, symbol of safety, symbol of
peace, symbol of yeah well, wetalked about it on the last
episode with jurassic park, likeback when steven spielberg had
a fucking vision and put himselfin every goddamn room that led
to a final product.
But I feel like we're gettinginto the golden path here.
So if we're going to do that,it's time Our final shot, final
(34:33):
hit, it's time to jump onto thisgolden path.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
Well before that the score we were 0.1 off from a 5.
But we are at a 4.5 out of 5for Superman.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
Congratulations.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
Superman.
Yes, I think that's highestrated, or do we have another 4.5
?
Speaker 1 (34:53):
I would say that's the highest raw rating before we
rounded yeah, 4.7, 4.7, oh,yeah, so yeah um, yeah, almost
had it.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
Superman that would have been.
I was like it might.
Honestly your guys' storyscores were fair.
I think it deserved that Wellhere's to the highest rated
movie on High End.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
Podcast Cheers.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
Luke had to run outside to smoke.
Oh boy, that is the onedownside.
You can't just smoke everywhere.
You can drink pretty muchanywhere, though I do.
Yeah, yeah, I can't my joblisten to this fucking podcast.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
I'd be in trouble, is that true?
Speaker 2 (35:42):
they don't let you do that.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
They don't let you drink that they don't let you
drink.
No, I mean, it's just medrinking everywhere.
They don't generally appreciatethat, but I'm still gonna, oh
yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
I mean as long as no one can tell you're drinking
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (35:57):
It's okay.
Yeah, there's been a few closecalls.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
All right, man, I think it's time for us to sit
down and talk about Okay, Luke'sback.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
All right.
So all right.
You had to pull over again onyour way to work to take another
drink, another toke.
Our listeners don't pull over.
Fucking nerds pull over.
It's time to jump onto thegolden path.
(36:34):
So let's dig into this movie.
I feel like we have a fuckloadto talk about.
Let's get after it.
You start then luke.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
Good sir, luke, you've been dying for it uh I
think that they're like if youwant me to jump in, I'll jump in
.
There's a lot of obviousmessages in the movie and, like
you guys said, it is simplisticand it's um very forward
storytelling I apologize forjumping back real quick.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
So we had luke's.
Uh, james, you had a great idea.
We had luke's um familiaritywith the character.
James, what's your familiaritywith the character?
Speaker 2 (37:08):
I well, I briefly went over.
I don't know how much I'd, youknow, go into it.
It wasn't a car, I wasn't.
I've been a comic book person.
I've only read one comic bookand didn't like it and I was
like it's not for me and uh.
And then I, uh, I've, I'veconsumed.
They release animated JusticeLeague movies on HBO Max and I
(37:32):
watch those.
Yeah, I never watched the oldSuperman, but the Christopher
Reeve Superman, but one of thefront.
One of my friends I went to themovie with was like this
reminds me of Superman 2, iswhat they said, and so.
But in the more recent ones Iknow lois lane is a lot feistier
(37:53):
and I think they got thatreally down really well with
miss mazel 100 I don't know, Idon't know what she stood, and
she stood toe-to-toe with, uh,superman, yeah, yeah, which who
she is as a person and they'redynamic.
They captured it really well.
I've seen superman, yeah, yeah,which who she is as a person
and they're dynamic, theycaptured it really well.
I've seen superman be a paragonof good who cries over the lost
(38:15):
squirrel or whatever.
This superman in this moviedidn't cry.
He was like, you know, like wecould have done better.
He was like a person who wasn'tdestroyed.
He was a, a Superman thatwasn't destroyed by failure and
it was.
It was really refreshing to seea Superman like that.
I don't think it's the Supermanthat's always portrayed.
(38:36):
I've seen Superman be kind of adick sometimes, like in those
versions where he goes evil orhe gets jaded or it's other
verse or whatever.
Yeah, but yeah, I've consumed alot.
Speaker 1 (38:48):
So, uh, yeah, for me, before we jump back to Luke,
superman is my character.
I and a lot of people aresurprised by that I get a lot of
like, really, I mean they, theyfigured it was going to be like
spawn or Batman, or you knowone of them I really like spawn,
which you wouldn't think,because I'm pretty milquetoast.
(39:10):
I love spawn but uh, if mycamera can move, there are
statues of superman right overthere.
I have his comic books.
Um, I've enjoyed a lot of hisiterations.
I am always very bleh when thewriters feel that the only way
to make the characterinteresting is by making him
(39:31):
evil.
And it's like you don'tunderstand superman and so right
, look out of here.
You don't understand him.
If the only way you think thatit's possible to make him
interesting is to darken him,you don't get it, you miss the
the point or make him weak, ormake him weak.
Depowered.
You know you miss the point.
That being said, I will say oneof my favorite iterations of
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Superman was New 52.
So the nerds who are listeningto the podcast will know that
that was an iteration of thecomic book where they restarted
everything and the Superman wehad there was very much our
Supermanman.
Just he was learning a lot.
He was very.
He still had a lot of emotion,he was prone to anger, but that
(40:16):
was really the only change andone of the things I loved about
him was he was coming about thefirst time Trump was elected and
in in a lot of the black livematter protests.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
And I think you're probably thinking Ferguson.
Speaker 1 (40:35):
Ferguson protests.
Black lives matter ones as well.
It wasn't until 2020.
Speaker 2 (40:39):
I don't think that's the end of Trump's presence.
Speaker 1 (40:42):
That spread was about four years.
Okay, so this iteration wasaround for a little while and
this superman did lose hispowers and I hate it when they
do that because, like we, theonly way we can make but he lost
his powers because he learned anew power, which was supernova,
where he explodes like a starand then he has to regain his
(41:03):
powers for a couple of weeks andin that couple of weeks he
punches a cop.
I'm like hell.
Yeah, this is my Superman.
Speaker 2 (41:15):
I can punch them without destroying them.
Now I got to use this while Ican.
Speaker 1 (41:20):
And they used that storyline where he was
protecting protesters frompolice and he winds up fucking
cracking a cop in the jaw andI'm like, yeah, this is my
Superman.
But, as I'm saying, I'm a hugefan of Superman, I love his
iterations, I love the thingsthey do with him, I love the
message and he's the one Irelate to the most, so I'm all
(41:43):
about it.
I have his comic books stackedup.
But back to you, luke.
What was your golden path?
Speaker 2 (41:51):
So I think Superman is always a simple story.
He's a character who is rooted,he's a working man in New York
City and Lex Luthor is a hyperrich piece of shit, and I think
that there is elon musk in yeah,there's very obvious comparison
(42:14):
.
Yeah, it's like a fucking.
It's an obvious like push tojust be like yeah, they're hyper
rich or shitty.
Speaker 1 (42:22):
Um, and yeah, like like when hot girl dropped net
and yahoo off of it yeah, veryobviously you won't kill me.
Speaker 2 (42:31):
Yeah, oh, you're barking up the wrong.
You should see the planet thischick is from.
Yeah, yeah she, yeah she.
You're lucky she didn't ripyour fucking head off and then
drop you and fuck your head andthen feed it to your wife.
Yeah, so I I think that that's apretty obvious, all of it's
pretty obvious.
Um, and then also, I think theconcept of doing what is right
(42:56):
versus what is like right forcertain people, I, you know it's
very obvious that, like,everybody is like, oh well, you
know, you can't just do thatbecause you, because then
they're going to be mad at usand it's like but they were just
about to slaughter millionsbecause, but at the same time,
there's also I feel like theywere good at showing that
(43:19):
there's implications still fordecision, even if it is what's
right and it's going to say likethere's implications, there's
always going to be implications,but, regardless of your fucking
politics, there's good andthere's bad.
Speaker 1 (43:30):
there is yeah, yes, and I, I like, I feel like our
society felt that it grew out ofthat and so everything needed
to have shades of gray,everything needed to be like
this watchman-esque uh, fuckingmoral relativity yeah, moral
relativity, and we as a societyfelt that we grew out of.
(43:52):
Everything is good and bad andwe're like we're done with
superman.
But then look where the fuckthat got us.
We elected trump for the secondfucking time and now superman
comes back and the whole messageis fuck your politics.
People were going to die, yes,and we're like, oh yeah, maybe
(44:12):
we didn't grow out of that yeah,uh, it reminds me of henry
cavill's.
Speaker 2 (44:18):
You know, henry cavill's superman in his movie
had to kill zod, like that wasthe thought experiment that was
put before him.
And that's the thing aboutthought experiments they're not
realistic, whatever.
But superman in their version,killed, thought he did the thing
that he never does, which iskill people.
But he had to have this moralrelativity.
(44:40):
It's something we needed at thetime, because we felt that
representations of the systemsat play weren't accurate.
Cheesy movies that were feelgood or whatever weren't
acknowledging the reality thatthere are bad actors and bad
(45:01):
systems at play.
And uh, and this movieacknowledged all of that yes,
while it acknowledged it andsaved the squirrel.
Yeah, he acknowledged it, andthen he said really radical, I'm
going to continue doing radicalkindness like that's it's not.
It's not a kindness that isfair weather.
(45:22):
He's like no, I'm just gonnakeep doing.
I'm going to follow my heart.
I have the power and the agencyto live this way and I'm
choosing.
I'm choosing what I feel is thebetter way, and that way is
always to be kind and alwayspreserve life and do everything
you can to make it happen andyou make mistakes.
Speaker 1 (45:46):
It's acknowledgement, but still saying but it's still
the best way I can acknowledgethat, yeah, life is rough, life
is hard, life sucks, and thereare people here who are pieces
of shit, but I can make a choice.
Speaker 2 (46:03):
Yeah, and he keeps having people tell him it's he's
wrong or naive or yeah, andhe's like I don't care what you
think like, I'm going to keepbeing the way I am dude, and
that's what fucking punk and Iloved the tie-in to punk rock
historically that's what itfucking is is that you know?
(46:24):
middle fingers up, I'm gonna dothe right thing yeah, it's
middle fingers up to this brokensystem and it doesn't have to
be edgy and despondent and notand no, you know, and his
ability to influence that ontoothers, because at the end, when
green lantern and hot girl goto, I forget the top of my head
and they do, save them andliterally middle fingers, uh,
(46:46):
during, yeah, yeah fucking stickthem high, man be good yeah
like doing the right thing'salways the right thing.
Yeah, I think the radicalkindness was the best message of
the movie and they made itpretty clear, you know, yeah
which they needed to.
Speaker 1 (47:03):
Yeah, I don't know if anyone's looked at the fucking
window lately.
This was perfect timing, yeahyeah, they uh.
Speaker 2 (47:13):
It's.
Uh.
It's wild how many people arelike you gotta boycott this
movie.
It's it's anti-trump andanti-is, anti-jew and all these
things and it's like why aren'twe aren't, why aren't we being
like?
Everybody should be radicallykind like that, if you take all
(47:34):
the punk rock.
Speaker 1 (47:35):
People have been saying it they've been saying it
since the fucking late 50s, andif you saw something in this
film that offended you, likesomething superman did, that
offended you because you feltthat it struck your values, go
fuck or introspect, you canintrospect, you can always
(47:55):
introspect and I know you're notgonna.
Speaker 2 (47:57):
I know you're not gonna, so, mr terrific, mr
terrific, didn't help right awayand you know, the justice gang,
uh, you know, had to beconvinced to show up and even
when they showed up, they did itin their own way and there's
still some conflicting values.
Hawkgirl still totally killedBenjamin Netanyahu and I cheered
(48:19):
.
She has her agency.
She has her agency to do whatshe believes and I don't know.
It's the fantasy though thesesuper powerful people having the
agency and just solving all theproblems because they are good
(48:40):
and chose right.
Speaker 1 (48:42):
all of them like so we could all choose that.
You know like, if we all justchose that?
Speaker 2 (48:47):
could this is very of a time.
I think that this movie will belooked back upon and perhaps
rebelled against for its radicalkindness.
But that's the thing aboutbeing radical, you know, it's
like a revolutionary kind ofkindness that undermines a lot
of deeply held values aboutauthority.
(49:08):
You know, it really underminesall of them and it is radical.
Hmm.
Speaker 1 (49:15):
Yeah, people will be upset by this level of kindness
which is just so frustratingLuke.
Speaker 2 (49:24):
No, a hundred percent .
I, I, I agree.
I think that, like it's uh,that that was the only very
obvious message that they werepulling, like I said, was the
portrayal of him wanting to doright and just being a good
person, and it was reallygenuine too.
Speaker 1 (49:42):
I felt like the whole movie was genuine about it.
Speaker 2 (49:44):
Yeah, I felt like he canvassed that very well.
It's the thing about a movie.
When a movie can sell you onsomething and feel genuine, it
just makes it a good movie.
Speaker 1 (49:55):
Yeah, and this was a good movie and, honestly, just
because of that, just because ofthat, I would argue this was
one of the best superhero moviesI've ever fucking seen.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (50:09):
I did put it in my top five, for sure.
Speaker 1 (50:11):
I would argue this was one of the best superhero
movies I've ever fucking seen.
Yeah, I did put it in my topfive for sure.
Like it had like it wasn't justa superhero movie, it had a
message and God damn it Did itfucking go after it.
And like I went into it, Like Idid not.
I like I wanted to see HenryCavill continue to be superman.
I I wanted to finish that atleast and get fucking warner
(50:35):
brothers the hell out of thereor get.
I wanted all those things Iwanted to see the end of it and
I never cared for james gunn.
I didn't like anything he'sever done there.
There's not a single fuckingthing on his roster wow, really,
yeah, nothing, I didn't carefor guardians.
Speaker 2 (50:52):
I like.
Speaker 1 (50:53):
I liked guardians of the galaxy I, I'm anti-marvel,
yeah, so it's like did you?
Speaker 2 (50:59):
did you like the original iron man?
Like kind of that kind ofkicked off everything I thought
this captured a lot of theoriginal iron man, which was
that it was like a scrappy moviecoming from behind to, and it
had a cohesive message also andit was like a lesson learned and
all those things before marvelrealized who they were.
Speaker 1 (51:18):
When they did the first captain america, when they
did the first iron man, I wasall on board, yeah.
Then their movies turned toshit and then dc tried to follow
them like guys.
You're not marvel.
That's why we, why I fuckingread you instead yeah captain
america is a good uh a goodcomparison.
Speaker 2 (51:38):
Also, I love the first captain america yeah, he
was also radically kind,radically kind.
He wasn't as capable as hewasn't.
Speaker 1 (51:47):
He wasn't able to show it as capably as Superman,
though saving the squirrel, butthat was what was so cool about
it.
He was just this little scrawnydude that, like I, hate bullies
and he jumps on a grenade andall those things.
Yeah, I loved that movie and Ihated what Marvel did.
Good comparisons here, I feellike they're.
I think same deal.
Speaker 2 (52:06):
They put them in the same light.
Speaker 1 (52:07):
I agree, Captain America and Superman are very
but then Marvel and Disney justrealized that we're making more
money just being a fucking themepark, right.
Speaker 2 (52:16):
Yeah, yeah.
That was it's the corporatemovie structure of taking
everything and chopping it up sothat it can be arranged at the
will of some executive insteadof as a cohesive vision, from
shooting to editing to finalproduction.
Speaker 1 (52:31):
Yeah, yeah well fellas with that.
I think it's time to jump in athird portion portion of this.
Obviously, there's a lot wecould talk about here.
This was an incredible film andif you were offended by any of
the good in it, you're not goodyeah, it's pretty easy yeah, if
you hate good, that means you'rebad.
(52:52):
So that's just how words workwhat about the destruction of
property?
it's violent yeah destruction ofproperty is violence those
tanks should have been allowedto roll for those farmers yeah,
and netanyahu should have neverbeen trapped by an amazingly
gorgeous hawk woman.
(53:12):
But it's time to insertourselves into this film.
So I mean insert yourself intothe DC universe.
At this point we havetesticular torsion man.
We have like how do you arrivein this film?
Speaker 2 (53:37):
So I'll go first.
So I have a question who wasthe character, who was the
charon, like boatsman in theextra dimension, because to me
it looked like Parasite.
It was not.
Oh, it's not Parasite.
Speaker 1 (53:51):
That's not Parasite.
That was, I forget his name.
Speaker 2 (53:56):
He called him Mr Handsome, but I don't know if
that's.
Oh, that's actually his name.
Speaker 1 (54:01):
Yeah, it's Mr Handsome.
Yeah, I'm him.
You mean, he's just.
Speaker 2 (54:07):
What can Mr Handsome do Do?
Speaker 1 (54:08):
you know off the top of your head.
So he was a criminal mastermind, he was a Batman villain, he.
What could he do?
He hold on.
Speaker 2 (54:19):
Well so testicular torsion.
Speaker 1 (54:22):
Oh right, mr Handsome was actually female, really.
Yes God, what the fuck did mrhandsome do was?
Just criminal mastermind so itturns out this handsome, so it
doesn't matter.
Speaker 2 (54:38):
It doesn't matter because it turns out the whole
time I'm actually clay face andso, yeah, and so we're paddling
back and then I, you know, I, Itake, I drop blue, I drop uh lex
l Luthor off and I turn thisboat around and I start talking
to people and I start freeingpeople and undermining them.
And then I start taking theiridentities and I go home to
(55:01):
their husband and then I seducetheir husband.
It's actually Mia's clay faceat the end, when everyone's
released and that ballerina girlgoes and hugs her mom.
It's actually a very high clayface taking her spot.
I've inserted myself in herspot and I just go home.
She seems to have a blessedlife and I just take that life
(55:24):
for a while until I have amental breakdown.
Speaker 1 (55:26):
I always remember that your favorite character is
Clayface, so you must bethrilled about the Clayface film
that's coming out.
Speaker 2 (55:35):
I am so excited and I also think, is I also like Mike
Flanagan?
I know you're not that big of aMike Flanagan fan, I don't
think, but I am, I like it, Ilike him and I think it's going
to be good.
I mean, he did do the life ofChuck.
He did do the life of Chuck.
And I love the life of Chuck, Iliked.
Fall of the House of Usher, Iliked.
Speaker 1 (55:56):
The Last of Us.
So I like Doctor Sleep, I likedMidnight Mass until the ending,
and even in Doctor Sleep myproblem with Mike Flanagan is
that he doesn't know how to enda thing.
Speaker 2 (56:08):
Sure, clayface has no end.
I'm fine with it.
He is forever Dang.
As long as one drop, thatdrop's just gotta find some mud
or sludge.
Speaker 1 (56:21):
Got your Clayface back.
Luke, how do you show up inthis movie?
Speaker 2 (56:27):
I had a long think and I'd like to replace Lois
Lane as the love interest in thefilm.
Speaker 1 (56:33):
Hell yeah.
Like just as straight up asyourself.
Speaker 2 (56:37):
Yes, as myself.
Superman is gay and lovesluxurious mustaches.
Yes, yes, hashtag Superman isgay.
Speaker 1 (56:45):
You heard it here first, folks.
Speaker 2 (56:47):
I fall in love with this man, but I also.
I wouldn't change anything.
I hope I deliver the sameperformance.
She absolutely killed it and Iwant to be uh, I want to stand
toe-to-toe I want to be that forhim I want to be that for him,
his rock, um.
But I also want to get you know, the float up kiss sounds kind
of nice.
I don't know, could be fun getlifted onto that countertop.
Speaker 1 (57:08):
Kisses up at you.
Speaker 2 (57:09):
Yeah, but in ours I flip him around also.
Lift Superman up onto thecounter.
He'd roll around his arm andwrap your legs around his neck.
Speaker 1 (57:25):
The Hurricane Robin Triangle jump.
Motherfucker, Superman spendsall of his time being the
strongest thing ever.
Speaker 2 (57:38):
So when he comes home he wants to be manhandled.
Yeah, that's why I have a stash.
Is that he chose me?
Because he just wants a beardedstashed man you have a
kryptonite, prince albert.
Speaker 1 (57:51):
You make him weak in the knees.
Speaker 2 (57:55):
He doesn't know about the kryptonite so, yeah, this
movie automatically becomes thepeople who already hated its
worst nightmare.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, the gayagenda.
He's gay yeah, so yeah and uh,I would still 4.5 out of5.
Speaker 1 (58:16):
Phenomenal film yeah, fantastic, and clay faces
causing havoc.
Speaker 2 (58:22):
Even better.
Speaker 1 (58:23):
I love it no, uh, I would just show up on the uh.
What did uh guy gardner keepcalling the team justice?
Gang yeah, I, I would show upas just some character on the
justice gang who looks up tosuperman, comes from like a
darker mental state thansuperman but like is trying to
(58:45):
be to live up to superman.
I'd probably be like ateleporter of some kind, but
like I would show marvel thedamage that a teleporter could
actually do you know, is this areal character you're describing
or is it?
no, no, like this is of your owninvention.
Yeah, yeah like, if I'm afucking teleporter, I control
space.
Controlling space or time makesyou a fucking god right.
(59:10):
And so, yeah, I would just bethe super powerful teleporter
who's trying his best to live upto superman.
Speaker 2 (59:17):
Other than that, no fucking notes, you'd just be
there I would show up at the endand destroy some tanks yeah,
I'd help him destroy some tanks.
Speaker 1 (59:26):
I'd probably probably assist Mr Terrific.
As soon as Superman showed upand said I need help, like let's
go, I'm on it.
Where do you need me to go?
I'm a teleporter, that's what Ido.
Your name is Mr Terrific'sassistant.
And then I'd be like you knowLuke too.
Holy shit, what's he up tothese days?
And then Superman's like oh,nothing.
(59:49):
And I'm like that's weird.
It's weird that you paused.
And then I'm going to be likehey Luke, how do you know
Superman?
And I'm like, all right, that'sweird, are you fucking?
Speaker 2 (01:00:03):
Superman For about three months, clayfish for about
three months, clayface forabout three months whoa James
holy shit, it's Clay James.
Speaker 1 (01:00:16):
I'll be like you want to help me, I guess protect
Luke's boyfriend you know,clayface is an anti-hero.
Speaker 2 (01:00:27):
Sometimes he's not one thing I really love about
Clayface as a villain is thathe's not a lot of the times he's
not like spiteful, he's kind ofalso goofy and he's just a
maligned psychotic.
He just likes chaos.
Yeah, don't we all?
Speaker 1 (01:00:47):
He doesn't seem to really like killing that much.
Speaker 2 (01:00:50):
He's not often put in a position where he's trying to
kill people.
He's trying to do somethingelse.
Speaker 1 (01:00:54):
You know no, I uh, and I'm excited to see the clay
face movie.
I think that they felt thatthere was like there was a pull
towards it.
I'm excited.
Like I was not sure on JamesGunn, uh-huh Nothing.
I like I was not bothered bythe choice in Superman.
(01:01:15):
I thought he looked likeSuperman.
The only concern I had wasJames Gunn, and I'll admit when
I'm wrong.
I was wrong Nice.
Speaker 2 (01:01:24):
I hope that happens for Mike Flanagan too.
I hope that, I hope, I hope hedelivers an awesome movie that
happens for mike flanagan too.
Speaker 1 (01:01:31):
I hope that.
I hope.
I hope he delivers an awesomemovie.
I am excited to see this nextbecause it looks like finally,
warner brothers has said weobviously know nothing about dc,
it's comics or it's heroes.
We will stop fucking put ourfingers in it.
James gunn, do your thing, andso I'm all for it.
I'm ready to see the gunniverseum.
(01:01:51):
Zack snyder could pick one andsuck it.
He made rebel moon.
Speaker 2 (01:01:56):
Obviously we can't trust him yeah, exactly so yeah,
so he can go back to justfucking eating dry creatine and
fuck off somewhere you know,james gunn really did make this
one weird and that's nice, likethe superman robots and crypto
and all this is weird, weirdweird shit, dude and the
(01:02:19):
dimensional imp yeah, I was soexcited to learn with the
superman robots that it was alantudyk.
Alan tudyk is gary, yeah thatwas fucking awesome.
Speaker 1 (01:02:33):
So, uh well, hey, folks at home, I'm glad that you
made it to work after takingall those shots and hits and
daps and what have you.
Um, thank you for listening.
If you haven't seen it, gocheck out superman.
It is high and dry's highestrated film.
So good on you, superman.
(01:02:54):
It's good to have you back.
It's good.
That good is a thing ourculture needs and realizes now.
So let's fucking get after it.
I I hope this changes somethings and I hope in Superman 2
Hawkgirl drops fucking theavatar of Trump off a building.
Speaker 2 (01:03:14):
That'd be really cool too.
Maybe she could throw DonaldTrump into Putin and then Putin
flies into Kim Jong Un let's doit.
Speaker 1 (01:03:28):
It seems to me that it's pretty obvious that just
like 10 people need to go um,and I hope hot girl delivers, so
yeah you're right, you're mygorgeous assassin.
Speaker 2 (01:03:41):
It will let you do.
I'll let you kill whoever youwant you go for whoever you need
to you don't need you don'tneed my permission.
Speaker 1 (01:03:50):
You do what you're going to do, you don't, and your
screeches are just so sexy.
Speaker 2 (01:03:57):
They did a great job.
Speaker 1 (01:03:59):
Yeah, so hey, everybody, thanks for listening.
We're High and Dry Podcast.
I'm your host, ryan Baron,north, with me, as always, james
Crosland, luke.
Bye, bye.
Speaker 2 (01:04:08):
Bye.
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