Let the Boy Watch: A '28 Years Later' Analysis

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We dive into the recently released zombie thriller 28 Years Later, exploring its place in the franchise and evaluating what makes it stand out in the horror genre.

• Film serves as both sequel and standalone story accessible to viewers unfamiliar with earlier films
• Strong performances from Aaron Taylor Johnson and Ralph Fiennes anchor the emotional core
• Cinematography blends nostalgic handheld camera work with innovative visual techniques
• Soundtrack creates unexpected emotional resonance, particularly during pivotal scenes
• Story explores coming-of-age themes through a post-apocalyptic lens
• Different types of infected expand the franchise mythology in interesting ways
• Tracksuit-wearing cult hints at fascinating directions for future sequels
• Film makes thoughtful points about death, acceptance, and human nature amid horror
• High rewatch value with many subtle details to discover
• Earns a solid 4 out of 5 rating from High and Dry Podcast

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Well, let's do this shit.
So, hey, everybody, welcome toHigh and Dry Podcast, the only
podcast keeping alive the fandomthat belongs to Jim Jeffery's
legit television show that airedsome time ago.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
I'm your host Ryan.

Speaker 1 (00:17):
Baron North with me as always.
James Crossland, luke, how youguys doing.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
First off, I have no idea what that show is that
you're talking about.

Speaker 1 (00:28):
I guess Jim Jeffries.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
Or Jim Jeffries.
I guess I can't believe JimJeffries was allowed to have a
TV show.

Speaker 1 (00:37):
Right Now.
He had that one bit about guncontrol back in the early 2000s
and it just launched him for aminute there.

Speaker 2 (00:45):
People were like I have one thing that I agree with
Jim Jeffries about.
I like that guy.

Speaker 1 (00:51):
That's pretty much where we were at at the time.

Speaker 2 (00:54):
Yeah, it's much.
More person has one redeemablequality for them all on the TV.

Speaker 1 (01:01):
That's right.
That's right.
This was pre a lot of movement.
Anyways, that's right, that'sright, this was pre a lot of a
lot of movement.
So, anyways, so we will not.
Actually that's, that's theextent of how far we're going to
dive into legit oh yeah, I know, I know, so I have notes on go
ahead and change your uh, yourchannel now for those of you who

(01:22):
are really looking for thatlegit discussion.
Uh, we will instead, this week,be talking about 28 years later,
and we're going to break downto a three-part method.
First, we're going to dive onin, break this thing down and
give it the top score that wecan, and the one that you, as
our listeners, can actuallytrust and believe.

(01:43):
You won't even need to watchthe movie when you've done, when
you've finished listening tothe first portion of this oh
yeah, don't.

Speaker 2 (01:50):
Don't watch the movie .
Never watch a movie that wereview.
Just take our regurgitation ofit.

Speaker 1 (01:56):
Yeah, it's better that's always trust me yeah, and
the second part of that.
We're going to dive into thegolden path where we're going to
break the movie down for itsdeeper thoughts that you you may
have missed on the first run.
And then we're going to diveinto the third portion, where we
are going to insert ourselvesdrugs and or alcohol into the

(02:17):
film, and what's going to makeit so special and magical is
that we're going to be doing itdrunk and high.
It's a lot of diving.

Speaker 2 (02:24):
I got, and magical is that we're going to be doing it
drunk and high, so diving Igotta admit, and there was a lot
of diving.
We, we dove probably like eighttimes a lot of diving.

Speaker 1 (02:32):
We actually saw this movie today, all three of us and
I do not watch movies.

Speaker 2 (02:37):
No, I saw this movie yesterday, don't I can't say
that I saw it today.
It's not the truth.

Speaker 1 (02:41):
I actually saw it friday oh, okay, well, I saw it
today and I hit the barimmediately and uh, so, uh, uh,
yeah, I'll dive into whateverthe fuck I want.
Keep diving, just keep diving,just keep diving.
I agree, I'm gonna dive allfucking day.
So so, uh, diving into it.

(03:04):
What are you guys uh smokingthis week?

Speaker 2 (03:07):
I'm not gonna lie, I, I, physically.
I cannot remember the straight.
It was something like like toohigh, stimmer, stimmer or
something I like I.
I was trying to remember thewhole time on the way home from
the movies.
Today.
I'm like I don't remember whatI can't remember, so, so we're
going to go with Stimmer, that's.
That's just the bag, we is itjust loose weed?

Speaker 1 (03:26):
now.

Speaker 2 (03:28):
Yeah, I found it.
It was just outside the moviestoday.
I was like, yeah, cool, but no,I've got the, the old Penifer
Love Hewitt with me.
She'll be.
She'll be joining me for this,this podcast, lovely Good.

Speaker 1 (03:43):
Well, I like the bag idea, where I especially liked
the idea that you got it beforegoing into the theater.

Speaker 2 (03:49):
People are trying to watch it.
They just hear the.
I wish I could smoke in thetheater.
I there was at at about, atabout an hour 45, I was like man
, I really would love to hit myvape right about now.
But for me for today I've gotGelato 66.

(04:14):
Gelato's a pretty good one.
It should be pretty mellow,should be smooth like Gelato, a
little milky, very sweet.
Well, I will be joining youguys today with patron excuse me
that's not the usual for for mrryan a white liquor on this

(04:37):
evening yeah, I'm just goingstraight.

Speaker 1 (04:39):
uh, silver patron gonna there you go, there's a
little something for you Do youhave a lime with it or anything.
No, no, patron does not need alime on its own.

Speaker 2 (04:53):
I disagree, but okay.

Speaker 1 (04:58):
You also vastly underestimate the stage of
alcoholism I'm at.

Speaker 2 (05:02):
It's not about enjoying it anymore.

Speaker 1 (05:04):
No, it just quiets the demons.

Speaker 2 (05:07):
So all right.
Well, and, and what is thefirst one?
Our film our film.

Speaker 1 (05:12):
That's right.
This first shot, this firsttoast, this first hit, this
one's going to our film 28 yearslater.
Cheers boys cheers I mean, weare not a visual medium, but I
feel I took that like a pro.

Speaker 2 (05:25):
He did, he did Trust me Well they'll trust us.

Speaker 1 (05:28):
They'll trust us, I think so.
I mean they trust us enough totake an hour and a half out of
their Monday commute, so they'llbe fine.

Speaker 2 (05:37):
Oh gosh, I thought I was going to cough a little more
from that, but I didn't Tookthat like a pro myself.
Yeah, this little more fromthat, but I didn't took that
like a pro myself.
Yeah, this was a.
It's a really nice uh strain.
I like this a lot.
It's very floral.
I can taste all the the flourin my mouth.
You don't always get that,sometimes it's just burn, you
know.

Speaker 1 (05:55):
Yeah, literally just tastes like fire, yeah well this
, so it's time to line them upagain our, our second shot,
second toast, second hit.
These are going to go out toour newest listeners, these ones
.
It looks like we have a couplepopping up.
The first one is Glen OldenPennsylvania.

(06:15):
The second is Chaco Mexico.

Speaker 2 (06:21):
What was that?

Speaker 1 (06:22):
Chaco Mexico.

Speaker 2 (06:24):
I believe Okay and what was that?
Choco mexico, I believe.
Okay, and then the last one iswhite horse alaska.

Speaker 1 (06:34):
Okay, alaska.
What up mexico?
How you doing badass city yeahwhite horse I had always sort of
assumed that, uh, I would oneday die in a standoff with
federal law enforcementsomewhere in Alaska, and
Whitehorse was as good as any.

Speaker 2 (06:51):
I think that would be a very good last stand town, I
agree.

Speaker 1 (06:54):
Yeah, somewhere up there.
So here's to them Cheers,cheers, figuring I could outrun
the long arm of the law up northalaska way that one I did not
take like a champ I saw thatthat one hurt all right, I'll

(07:20):
I'll flinch on my last one then.

Speaker 2 (07:21):
So we're all even all right.

Speaker 1 (07:24):
well, I still haven't flinched my last one then, so
we're all even All right.
Well, I haven't flinched either.
So right now it's Luke.
Yeah, I'm the only one.

Speaker 2 (07:28):
I lost on round two, but I'm okay with that.

Speaker 1 (07:31):
All right, Well so third toast, third shot, third
hit.
Here's our straight facechallenge Cheers.

Speaker 2 (07:39):
Cheers, cheers.

Speaker 1 (07:44):
That was a tough one, not going to lie.
The third shot of Patron Wanteda little peace out of me.

Speaker 2 (07:51):
You know wincing when you you know invite.
Oh there goes.

Speaker 1 (07:55):
Luke, oh, he's gone what?
A fucking loser.

Speaker 2 (08:04):
Oh God, luke is the youngest of us and it's a very
coming of age kind of thing tolike wince at your vices.
You know that you're indulgingin alcohol or smoking or
whatever you know you get.
You have the person drinking itfor, like.
Even in this movie, the kiddrink is for is like what the
fuck is that?

Speaker 1 (08:25):
well, I mean to be fair, he also, uh, witnessed his
dad trying to get some puss, sohe was having to touch the
stuff, not even trying, nottrying.

Speaker 2 (08:37):
Yeah, yeah, it doesn't fail at getting puss bus
.

Speaker 1 (08:44):
So my favorite part about him is that he played
Charlie Chaplin, the littlepickpocket in Shanghai Nights,
the sequel to Shanghai Noon,starring Owen Wilson and Jackie
Chan.

Speaker 2 (08:57):
That's super funny.

Speaker 1 (08:59):
I did not know that about Mr Aaron Taylor Johnson.
Yeah, he was in Shanghai Nights.
Was he as dreamy in that?
He was not.
Know that about sir aarontaylor johnson.
Yeah, he was, uh, he was in, uh, shanghai nights.
Was he as dreamy in?

Speaker 2 (09:06):
that he was a child.
Yeah, he was like 12.
Oh no, was this a weinsteinproduction?

Speaker 1 (09:19):
like we're ready to sell out.
All right, we're, we're, we're.
Yeah, it's time.
Um so, all right, uh, so well.
One thing I also want to tacklewith you guys real quick.
Um, I was thinking about ourrating system and you know, tell
me I'm a fucking moron, or youknow.
See what you have to think.

Speaker 2 (09:34):
You're a fucking moron.

Speaker 1 (09:40):
What if we made some sort of adjustment, I don't know
, maybe taking the story portionof our thing there and
adjusting it based on the genreof film that we are watching?
Because I think what?

Speaker 2 (09:53):
do you?

Speaker 1 (09:53):
mean.
So, like for horror we look at.
So you want to weight it Basedon the genre.
If we decide to watch a romanceromance, did it make you feel
romantical?
You know, like, if there's someway to differentiate, because I
think every review platformavailable it's just very

(10:14):
arbitrary.

Speaker 2 (10:15):
Godfather's going to be at the top, um, and then you
know, that's I feel like I meanwe can definitely point it out
more, but I feel like we alreadyrate movies kind of based on
their genre and what they'retrying to do.
I don't like I I've never goneinto it and been like, wow, that
horror movie didn't make me youknow what I mean like I didn't.

(10:36):
Yeah, I, I, uh, I feel like weare more inside, but we could
like point it out more, like howit made us feel, did it do what
it's intended?
I think, because we addedbecause we have other categories
, we, we have the ways in whichthose categories make us feel
appropriate to the genre already.
Yeah, that's like part, part ofhow we we score.

(10:59):
It is like did did a movie makeme feel creepy, whether that's
from the story or the acting orthe cinematography.
We cover the ways that thosecategories get the bonuses
already because they'reinfluential to them.

Speaker 1 (11:14):
That's how I feel.
Well, I like what you're saying, and we also described our
rating system more and we justjumped into our rating system.
So, fellas, we saw this filmthis weekend.
It's fresh in our minds.
How do we feel?
What did we like?
Let's get some ratings downthere.

(11:36):
Luke, you want to kick us?

Speaker 2 (11:36):
off.
First thing we got to say aboutLuke Tell him Luke.
He told me right before westarted First things, I've never
seen either of the two moviesbefore this, so I've only seen.
28 Years Later.
I did read, I read, you know,an overview of the movies, just

(12:01):
so I had an idea of what story Iwas going into.
And also I literally drove homefrom the movies and then got on
.
So, as fresh, as fresh-mindedas I can, as I can be, for the
movies, can I ask you a questionreally quick, before we start
what did you expect this moviewas going to be before you went

(12:21):
in?
What did you expect this moviewas going gonna be like a zombie
, just a zombie kind of horrorum movie.
Uh in all honesty like astraightforward action, kind of
like kills, kills on no Ithought it was gonna be like a
horror truly scary movie likesomething that was meant to be
very scary um to the point.

(12:43):
Like I'm walking into thetheater.
As you guys know, horror is notmy top genre, but walking in
theater I'm like like trying tothink, think of things and
compare it with my, with mypartner.
I'm like, so is it like scarierthan the walking dead?
Or like what?
Are we just trying to gauge it?
So, um, that's kind of my veryfirst thoughts when I was like

(13:04):
just reading the synopsis, Ithought it was going to be like
a scary movie.
So obviously saw some previews,but I thought it was going to
be like kind of like trying tobe more horror, not so much
action at all, like reallytrying to like set tone and
scare you.

Speaker 1 (13:16):
Okay, interesting, okay yeah, well then would you
like to just, uh, take the helmand give us your ratings, tell
us what you thought yeah.

Speaker 2 (13:25):
So, uh, like, with that being said, I do think that
it was a pretty solid movie asa standalone, like I didn't
think it necessarily, um, ittold the story that it needed to
tell.
Without it, I feel like itisn't really attached to the
other movies, while I I thinklike it did have some bringbacks
.
I think Killian Murphy was inthe original movie and he was a

(13:50):
infected in this one, so itturns out not the case.
Oh no, not the case.
Okay.

Speaker 1 (13:57):
So that was, that was yeah that's what I kind of
thought.

Speaker 2 (14:02):
That would have been cool.

Speaker 1 (14:04):
Turns out to the next several sequ too.

Speaker 2 (14:04):
That would have been cool.

Speaker 1 (14:05):
Turns out he's tied on to the next several sequels.

Speaker 2 (14:08):
Yeah, Okay.
So and the zombie in question.

Speaker 1 (14:13):
Well, the zombie in question, they just kind of used
it as a.
Well, they looked like him andthey kind of used it as a
marketing ploy.
But yeah, it was credited as adifferent actor and they finally
came out and said you heard ithere first folks Debunked.
You heard it here first andsecond.
That was high and dry.
But no, it was debunked andthen they released it.

(14:36):
No, that's not him, but we didsign his little Irish ass up for
the next two.

Speaker 2 (14:44):
Okay, okay, well, but yeah, just going through it.
It acting, I thought wasactually really good.
I thought that a lot of thepeople who were in this movie
delivered well.
Obviously, child actors are hitor miss.
Um, they're earlier in theircareers.
They can either really show upand I thought that, uh, the guy
is his kid's name's, alfiewilliams.
I thought he did a really goodjob.
I I thought that he portrayed ascared child how it should,

(15:06):
like he really would be if hebecause like that could have
easily been cheesy and him, youknow, just kind of like seem
scared, but he's like moreexcited.
And I think he delivered theemotions really well.
And I also thought that eventhe guy, the Eric the soldier he
wasn't in the movie a long,long time but really pulled me
in for the moments that he wasin the movie.

(15:28):
I really enjoyed hisperformance.
And then Ralph, our man, lordVoldemort, as always, was really
good, yeah, fantastic.
I thought, like God, he justand I think Aaron Taylor Johnson
did a better performance thansome others.
I don't know if that just fitshis personality better, I don't
know if that like, but uh, hewas really good at this.

(15:49):
Yeah, there's some movies whereI'm like, ah, he was just a hot
like a good looking guy in themovie, but then there's ones
where he's a corpse fucker.

Speaker 1 (15:57):
And technically this is a this is a.

Speaker 2 (16:00):
This is a three part, so there's still time for him
to be a corpse fucker.
They had nothing to stop us yet, but yeah, acting was really
good Time to get some of thosebooks he does not get rejected.
Get him some of that rage.
Nothing hits him.

Speaker 1 (16:18):
He's actually inoculated himself to the
disease from all the books.

Speaker 2 (16:22):
We know iodine works.
That's all.
Dip his dick in iodine and gofor it uh the cinematography I
thought was uh interesting.
I thought some shots were reallygood.
I think there wasn't any.
They didn't do anythingrevolutionary in my opinion.
I thought I don't know if youguys saw they did like a lot of

(16:43):
angled um camera shots, um, Idon't know like I it was.
I felt like it was just to bejarring and almost just like, oh
, like just weird to look at,like while you're looking at the
screen, um, so like there were.
There were some points where Ithought it was interesting.
What if I told you, luke, wouldyou be surprised if you heard
that this movie was shot on aniphone 15?

Speaker 1 (17:06):
I heard max.

Speaker 2 (17:07):
I was told that there's some shots from an
iphone.
Yes, I would believe it, but Istill think that like it was
good, like nothing, nothing tookaway from it.
I also thought that like theydid some freeze frames on some
of the early um infected killsand I thought that was kind of
cool.
I don't know.
I enjoyed it.
So cinematography was prettysolid.
The soundtrack I did like Ithought it was interesting and I

(17:30):
thought they did some weirdchoices with it, like somewhere.
I'm like what the fuck?
But like it did set a differenttone, I don't know.
It was just really interesting,especially that whole scene of
the skull being put up, and Iwas just like I remember like
distinctly being like what isthis song that they've chosen?

Speaker 1 (17:47):
it feels like a, like a truly spiritual moment well,
I'm like, I really liked,because normally you know the
soundtrack, we kind of, you know, we lose track of it as viewers
.
I was really paying attentionthis time I was taking I never
lost it.

Speaker 2 (18:01):
Yeah, yes, couldn't escape it.
I.

Speaker 1 (18:04):
I thought at first I thought it was reminiscent of uh
cause I also watched 28 dayslater today just to sort of
refresh myself on it before Iwent into the theater and it was
, the music was superreminiscent of that early two
thousands kind of indie punkfeel um that we had in the first
28 days later.
Um, I, I personally indie punkfeel um that we had in the first

(18:26):
28 days later.
Um, I, I personally loved thetouch, I, I thought it, uh, I
thought it added a lot in myopinion I do.

Speaker 2 (18:33):
I agree 100.
I thought it was.
I thought it was very, very umand, like you said, something
that we look over quite a bit.
I feel like here, like not that, not on purpose.
Sometimes I'm really trying,but sometimes it just does.
It's very hard to pull you intothe soundtrack.
I thought they did it.
I thought it was really cool.
The story plot I also did enjoy.
I mean, there was, like I said,for it to be a standalone.

(18:55):
I think that that's kind ofinteresting, that like, even if
you didn't get into thefranchise, to still enjoy it.
I also thought that it was in.
I heard this before as well, butI, because of that, I really
was watching.
It's almost like a split storytoo.
It's almost like a coming ofage with a father and son and
then a completely different turnof this, like twisted

(19:20):
acceptance of death and like ason.
Like it was like a quick coming.
Oh yeah, son, your first timeall the way to like hey, dude,
you gotta be cool with dying.
I know you.
Just you're 12 and a day allright, oh no 28 days.
So it's your 12 and 28 dayslater you, uh, you gotta accept
that so except that your dad'son the prowl all the time yeah,

(19:45):
you gotta accept it yeah, that'swhat.
Yeah, that's what dr ian kelsonwas there to do for him was
just teaching that uh gettingpusses okay and that death is
gonna come for you sometime.
So and it just gets your butt,yeah.
And then he and basically alsotaught him that, uh, dying like
a zombie is the worst way to die.
Don't, that's, that's not theway to go.

(20:05):
So we're gonna like just just,I thought that was interesting
too, um, but yeah.
And then rewatchability Ithought I would watch it again.
Actually, I think that I'mgoing to now watch the franchise
, um, in order, and kind of justget it, just just enjoy
something that I um have kind ofdiscovered and I did, I did,
I'll probably watch it again.
I don't know if I'll watch it ashit ton, but I definitely will

(20:26):
watch it.
That's my whole thoughts on it.
I'm very interested to hearwhat you guys have to say what
are your scores.
Scores are going to be a 4.5for acting, 3.5 for
cinematography, 4 for story.
Soundtrack is going to be a 4and rewatchability a three oh,

(20:47):
and can you do the math for usthere?

Speaker 1 (20:48):
what does that put luke's scores at?

Speaker 2 (20:51):
um, that is going to be well, we'll now, we'll do the
full score, full score.
We always do full score well,also get so.

Speaker 1 (20:59):
When you get to me, though, give me my score, just
so I could pop it up on the oldletterbox okay, okay okay.
Well, james, what did you think?

Speaker 2 (21:07):
all right.
So it's really interesting,coming in from the other
direction, where I had seen, uh,the original and I watched the,
the sequel recently, um.
So the first one definitely hasthat more of a like frenetic,
like hand shot, you know version, handheld shot version, you

(21:32):
know where it's more?
It almost they almost got someof it to look low budget like
the scenes didn't cost very much.
That's what the first, that'swhat you're going to recognize
when you watch the first one,luke um, is that it was shot on
kind of like a shitty digitalcamera back in the day and I
think that's why they did theiphone I it.
They may have been trying to getthat feel of like a uh, of like

(21:59):
not being super polished, ofbeing like really, you know, get
it, get it done with what youhave.
Resources are scarce kind ofthing.
A lot of times that's like whatinnovates film is when
resources are actually kind ofscarce.
You have to make decisions tolike make, shoot, make your film
better with less money andstuff and and a lot of those

(22:22):
innovations are just better thanwhat you can do with money.
It's like it changes filmforever and there was a, there
was this like revolution and 28days later was part of it where
movies started getting filmedthat way and it's like more
frenetic and more handheld andmore motion and stuff.
And that was one of like, thebig things about the original

(22:42):
was that it had a lot of motionlike when they were back to the
old scenes and stuff like thatit felt like I agree with that.
I was kind of like oh, this isinteresting.
I took note of them cuttingback to the arrows being shot
and stuff that wouldn't cost alot of money to throw that in
the movie.
It's already a made scene.

Speaker 1 (23:01):
It's also interesting .
You said that it's going to belike a weird statement I make
like you know, uh, whoever thefuck's gonna fact check it?
But I've actually, um, created,directed and, um, you know,
made haunted houses in las vegas, kuwait city, um, kuwait, and
it was always on like 500 bucks,and so we had to rely on like

(23:26):
super simple things, but we hadto be creative enough to like
really get in your fucking headon 500 bucks.
So I definitely agree wherewith where you're coming at
right there.
Like, I mean, at one point itwas just a matter of taking a
plastic mask, covering a guy'sface on it, putting him in a

(23:47):
dress and then letting him juststab a kitchen counter, uh it
cost ten dollars, but theeffects were fantastic did what
it needed to do and like, likeyou said, like for uh.

Speaker 2 (23:58):
You got to be creative when you're in a tight
budget situation like that,which is, um, exactly what what
I feel like they were trying toportray in this one as well, and
interesting to say that thatthat's where this guy came from.
That like style um was from 28days later well, it was
definitely.
Yeah, yeah, it was an innovatorin that period, for sure, and it

(24:19):
also had, like it did also anold style movie thing where it
like took a break from thefrenetic stuff, like I almost
compare it to like butch cassidyand the sundance kid.
There's like a scene in themiddle of the movie where, like
they ride around on a bicycleand it's like eight minutes of
them riding around on bicyclesand and it's something that like

(24:42):
old movies used to do and likethis one 28 days later
definitely did it.
And this one did kind of too,where it like took, it took,
took a tour with him and his momand stuff, where it was like
chill and they enjoyed theirjourney and stuff and and uh
yeah, just took a break from thecraziness and there was music
to match the entire time.
Acting okay, so I'll give thecategories.

(25:04):
So, acting I give it a 4.5.
I thought the acting was reallygood.
Cinematography I think that theycarried on their frenetic
motion of the fast infected, butthey also added this wonderful
opposite with the slow crawlinginfected, where they had all
these high shots and off, youknow, off in the distance, wide

(25:25):
shots and like hanging overheadand then down all the way at the
ground of like to buildsuspense from like this angle of
like inevitability, and Ithought they did such an amazing
job with the cinematography andwe give that a 4.5 to
soundtrack.
Uh, super memorable.
And I think this is reallyimportant to also say when we're

(25:46):
talking about these filmmakersis they're very, uh, they're
very in your face.
They're what's it called?
Diagrammatic, uh, diagrammaticwhere they like draw out a
diagram for what the movie'sabout, where they kind of tell
you specifically and we'll talkabout that in golden path about
what this movie is about, uh,but the soundtrack is that
they're're telling us what moodwe're supposed to have, how

(26:10):
we're supposed to be thinkingabout.
The scene with the music madeus interpret that as like a holy
, sacred event, uh, of like, oflike healing and enlightenment.
But different music would havemade that us view that scene

(26:32):
totally differently and thismovie was really obvious about
it and and then they're, andthey are really obvious about
all the themes of this movie andthere's time to get into it.
But, story and plot.
I thought the oh shit, I didn'tgive soundtrack Soundtrack.
I give it a 4.5.
Because sometimes it wasincredibly jarring.

(26:54):
But I guess that's kind of life, huh.

Speaker 1 (26:59):
Sometimes it's jarring 4.5.

Speaker 2 (27:02):
No, 4.5 is good Story and plot.
I thought the plot was it.
It got me so.
So this is the thing I talkabout a lot with movies where
they have really big offers isthey have to get you right.
They have to get you on board,and I think that this movie got
me on board to overlook somereally stupid shit like how much

(27:25):
, like how, like thisblood-borne rage virus, like
they are not careful aboutgetting blood spray, like all
fucking over the place.
They weren't in the first movieeither.

Speaker 1 (27:34):
It's cool In the first movie and 28 days later
they were serious about it.
But there were times when I waslike what the fuck are you
doing?
Machete is not the way to go.

Speaker 2 (27:50):
You got blood everywhere.
We can't ruin it for yes, yes,especially.
It's one of the saddest scenesyeah, it's like the saddest
scene, but like the, the, theeffects of one drop of rage
blood is like well on display inthe first movie.
Like one drop is all it takesuh and um, and so you'll see

(28:13):
when you watch it.
Yeah, um, but yeah, like youcan over if a movie can get you
on board and keep you interestedand get you to say that
actually doesn't matter becausethat's not what they're trying
to do.
They're actually telling mewhat they're trying to do.
They're not just they're.
If they tell you what they'retrying to do, you know, to tell
you this like folklore, thislike post apocalyptic folklore.

(28:38):
Uh, you have to overlook somethings, uh, and they got me on
board, uh, but it does.
But it is a slight hit.
So I'm going to give it a fourand rewatch ability.
I'll definitely rewatch thismovie again.
I'll give it a five fantastic.

Speaker 1 (28:57):
Okay, all right, um did really well in my book.
I not, honestly, I'd have toagree so watching this movie um,
I personally.
So I remember when this moviefirst came out, like the series
first came out, early 2000s.
I mean we, james you and I, wehad a friend who was just
freaking obsessed with it um,and who was obsessed with it um,

(29:19):
we had him on the show once agentleman by the name of ed um
ed was obsessed with this movie.

Speaker 2 (29:24):
I didn't know I I really liked this movie at this
time.
At that time, ed and I wouldhave had great conversations
about it, I'm sure well and uh,it it, it off.

Speaker 1 (29:34):
It was part of that initial kickoff for the zombie
craze that had happened at thattime.
Um, I mean, you were either,you know, fucking team vampire,
team zombie back in that day andum, but the people, some people
were just absolutely obsessedwith 28 days later and I I just

(29:57):
absolutely obsessed with 28 dayslater and I re-watched it again
today.

Speaker 2 (29:59):
Man, it was like one of the first fast zombies.
It may be the first and fastzombies are scary, I mean, and
it brought it blew up it broughtus killian murphy.

Speaker 1 (30:06):
I mean, the movie starts, for sure with his uh,
fucking ungroomed penis.
Um, yeah, uh, so a lot to seethere.
A lot to see there, um, you'reruining the movie for him.
He could have got that surpriseon his own, like oh, that's
killian's dick, um, but uh, hemay not be able to see it.

Speaker 2 (30:30):
I've heard that the versions on the internet are
fucking horribly corrupted, soI'm sorry.
Yeah, well, that's bullshit,yeah so that's tough.

Speaker 1 (30:37):
They also cut out the initial scene where the entire
rage virus is created by aarontaylor johnson fucking a
pangolin just getting that puss,um, but uh.
So anyway, as I was saying.
So that first one it had a lotof that early 2000s indie sort

(30:58):
of punk filming.
The music was very similar andwatching this movie it was very
reminiscent of that.
The hard cuts to other footage,I thought, really added a lot
to it, even just the archerysequences where it was
illustrating our steps backwardsin time, um, and then, as we

(31:20):
saw this culture developing outof uh catastrophe, um, that was
very interesting to me.
I also loved their additions tothe zombies.
I always really it's notentirely original the things
they add, like the bloatingzombies we've seen it before.
The alpha zombies we've seenbefore.

Speaker 2 (31:41):
Have we seen alpha zombies with giant fucking dicks
?
Have we?

Speaker 1 (31:47):
So most recently.
So it's mostly been done invideo games.

Speaker 2 (31:52):
Change my note 4.5 for story.

Speaker 1 (31:54):
It's mostly been done in video games Change my note
4.5 for story.
It's mostly been done in videogames, but most recently it was
done in the Zack Snyder Dawn ofthe Dead film.
That was absolutely ass.
Zack Snyder just cannot win onthis show.

Speaker 2 (32:10):
Was that the mall one ?

Speaker 1 (32:12):
No, no, it was the Las Vegas strip one where I like
the mall one.

Speaker 2 (32:15):
no, no, it was the las vegas strip, one where I
like the mall one no different,different, totally um, but the
newest one on netflix by zachsnyder.

Speaker 1 (32:23):
There's a general zombie who even has like a
zombie army of the dead, army ofthe dead.
Army of the dead, that's it.
Trash, trash right, yeah um,and but.
So we had an alpha zombie thereand he even had a girlfriend.
So it's it's not entirelyoriginal, but the way they did
it I felt was fresh.

(32:44):
And the way they did it I alsofelt was super suspenseful.
Um, the way they just had himjust sort of standing there next
to the tree.
I thought those shots werereally good.
Very menacing.
Very menacing Even when RalphFiennes was able to stop him and

(33:04):
he gave him a name Now he'sSamson now.
But then he catches him to sortof like pay back that moment of
his own weakness there, like,yeah, you could get him with the
dart, but uh, you shouldprobably get the fuck out of
there.
Um, I thought that was great.
I enjoyed all of that.
Um, the acting I thought wasreally good.

(33:25):
I was and they got me reallygood there.
I thought that aaron taylorjohnson was going to die in that
first scene there and now itwas just going to be some like
the kid revenge arc.
But no, then he goes, hesurvives, he goes on a hunt for
puss and that's the child to dothis life changing thing.

(33:46):
I just cannot go back to afather who has these carnal
needs in his heart and I thoughtthat was very surprising to me.

Speaker 2 (33:56):
so I enjoyed that.
I thought that was more abouthim feeling betrayed.
Everyone lied to this child,everyone kept lying to this
child and that's what he wasdiscovering was everyone in his
life was lying but at the sametime it's like bud.

Speaker 1 (34:10):
Look, we're all trying to survive here.
Your frontal lobe is not goingto develop for the next 15
fucking years.

Speaker 2 (34:17):
All right, they, they she tried to tell aaron taylor
johnson he usually we wait untilthey're a little older yeah,
and she was right, she was righthe's with the jumpsuit cult now
.

Speaker 1 (34:33):
So but, um, I, uh, I, I.
I really went into this and Iwasn't sure because I didn't
really care for the first one.
To be entirely percent honestwith you, I like it, maybe the
first 40 of 28 days later, andthen after that it just sort of
falls off for me.
This one I did enjoy until theend, so I really walked out of

(34:57):
the theater happy about it.

Speaker 2 (34:58):
So for me you liked the original Up to the Bicycle,
Like Up to the Bicycle SceneAnalog that I was talking about.

Speaker 1 (35:04):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (35:05):
And then you were like Bicycle Scene Analog didn't
do it for you.

Speaker 1 (35:08):
Well, and just the story.
And it kind of startedhappening in this one as well.
Where the story goes into, thereal monster is man and I'm like
, yeah, I know I'm a human,fucking being.
I am well aware and that'swhere it lost me.
I know that man is bad, but Icame here for zombies.

(35:30):
Thank you very much.
So for me, uh, this film actingI can't think of anyone who
really dragged it down.
Um, I'm going to give it a 4.5,.
Uh, cinematography I thoughtwas unique.
I thought it was alsoreminiscent.
I couldn't find anything thatreally dragged it down for me.

(35:50):
I'm also going to go 4.5 rightthere.
Um, really dragged it down forme.
I'm also going to go 4.5 rightthere.
Um, soundtrack I thought wasalso fantastic.
It was, it was unique to me andit did provide a lot to it.
I'm also going to go 4.5 rightthere.
Story that came down a littlebit for me, um, just because,
like, they introduced a lot ofthings right there but we're

(36:12):
harry potteringing it andturning it into this
three-parter.
For that I'm going to go 3.5.
And re-watchability is it mynew Christmas movie?
No, but I am definitely goingto watch.

Speaker 2 (36:26):
It's my new Christmas movie.

Speaker 1 (36:29):
But I am definitely going to watch it again, so I'm
going to go 4 right there for me.

Speaker 2 (36:34):
I'm glad you brought watch it again.
So I'm going to go four rightthere for me.
I'm glad you brought up theChristmas analog because it
totally was.
It totally is like a Jesusanalog.
You would round down to a fourout of five right.

Speaker 1 (36:45):
Four out of five for me.

Speaker 2 (36:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (36:46):
All right.

Speaker 2 (36:47):
So yeah, you could go ahead and check out my new
letterboxd score hidden rightnow letterboxd score hitting
right now yeah and I and for afull, high and dry official
score of a four out of five, uh,stars, I think I actually was
the one that drug it down themost, um, but yeah, that's
probably also because this isnot my favorite genre, so that

(37:09):
might be the reason why I?
Did, and that might be a goodthing if they did.
I don't want to watch it.
That might be the reason why Ididn't, and that might be a good
thing, If they did, I don'twant to watch it, and that might
be a good thing.
What genre is this?
How do you know what genre thisis?
I don't know.
It was definitely creepy.
It had me on the edge of myseat almost not necessarily
literally, but it definitely wassuspenseful, kind of a

(37:30):
suspenseful movie.
I wouldn't call it a horrorthough, but suspenseful kind of
a suspense, I wouldn't call it ahorror though, because but
suspenseful, yeah, and againlike very good storytelling for
a horror movie.
It also definitely there was alot of gore in this movie and
they definitely kind of likemade you kind of used to it, to
where we're like is it a horrormovie?

Speaker 1 (37:46):
no, you're right it's totally that guy gets a lot of
ripped off like yeah, that'syeah, there was a lot of head
ripping, a lot of head ripping,um yeah, the penis was in the
shot the whole time.

Speaker 2 (37:57):
It was the head and the penis like, oh yeah, head
and like people.

Speaker 1 (38:01):
If you're looking for , uh, aaron taylor johnson
getting puss.

Speaker 2 (38:04):
If you're looking for head and penis, this is this is
the place to go um, but a fourout of five is very good for us.
That's.

Speaker 1 (38:10):
That's a very high score that's's a very strong
score, and I, because our lastfilm was Until Dawn, which was
just ass.

Speaker 2 (38:21):
This was definitely a palate cleanser.

Speaker 1 (38:23):
This was a horror palate cleanser, for sure.

Speaker 2 (38:26):
This movie made me have thoughts about things
Speaking of thoughts aboutthings A provoking thought.

Speaker 1 (38:34):
Speaking of thoughts about things.
I actually had a provokingthought.
Speaking of thoughts aboutthings it is time to dive on
into the next portion.

Speaker 2 (38:42):
Oh, I meant, yeah, next portion, next portion,
that's what.

Speaker 1 (38:44):
I meant too Well, it's time for our second bit
here.
It's time to get on the goldenpath.
We've had the alcohol and drugscoursing through our system.
It's time for one more hit, onemore shot, one more Ripski, one
more Ripski, dude.
This one goes out to a prettydecent horror film.

Speaker 2 (39:04):
Cheers.
I'm really happy I went and sawthis one, Really really happy.
It's like an art house film.
Yeah, oh, that's's nice reallygood budget and stuff, but I had
to add the feel of an art housefilm in that it was.
It was, it was verythought-provoking, like what you

(39:27):
would consider as normally toothought-provoking for most
audiences, even though they'revery diagrammatic about it.
Where they like are like okay,listen, he's going out like so
many of millions of our specieshave gone out before for the
first time with a bow and arrowto prove their manly hood.
You know, whatever that lookslike across cultures and it's

(39:48):
like we all pick that upimmediately.
Is everybody gonna pick that upjust because that?
Because I'm sure there's somepeople out there who are going
to be like why did they flashthose scenes from other people's
?

Speaker 1 (39:58):
shows.

Speaker 2 (40:00):
Why are they showing me this and just totally blind
to it?

Speaker 1 (40:05):
Without a doubt.
Oh yeah, no, your averageAvengers fan, your average Fast
and the Furious franchiseenjoyer and your average Zack
Snyder aficionado are not goingto appreciate anything in this
film, Except for the TaylorJohnson getting pussed.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (40:25):
I like that he was performing oral sex on her,
which is yeah.

Speaker 1 (40:33):
And you know it was right down there.
We're in the apocalypse.

Speaker 2 (40:36):
So one bit of sex we saw was the dude going down,
which is pretty great.
Movies have come a long way.

Speaker 1 (40:45):
Look, taylor Johnson, some serious green flags to mix
with his red flags in thismovie.
He'll punch a hole in thedrywall, but he is super giving
well, he's super giving winnie'sheart.

Speaker 2 (41:01):
Yeah, yeah, this is more about his ego, about, yeah,
about, about pleasing her.

Speaker 1 (41:08):
It's not actually about her well, he's thinking
three steps ahead, because heknows she's gonna to go back to
the apocalypse water cooler, youknow and she's going to tell
some stories about that fuckingtongue of his and that's going
to just bring more business hisway.
So I see what he was doing Well.
So, james, what are your deeperthoughts of this film?
What did you want to dive intohere?

Speaker 2 (41:32):
Hold on, I've got to put on my wetsuit.
Be careful about all thisdiving.
Gotta safety first.
I'm not certified for this.
Give yourself a little break.
Dive too much bad for you.
So this, like I said, thismovie is like very in your face

(42:00):
about it's, very in your faceabout its lessons it wants you
to learn.
We talked about how it does it,from the music to the
cinematography to the plot, likethe, the baby getting born, to
like this, this mother, who, who?
It's like a virgin birth.

(42:20):
Right, we have no idea who thismother is.
We're like how the fuck is oneof these things pregnant?

Speaker 1 (42:25):
it seems like the alpha.
I think it's fairly obvious.
No, no, no, no.
I think the alpha was thefather, taylor Johnson, was out
there running through thosewoods for a long fucking time
Listen we don't go by the fire,I go by the fire.
We know what happened.

(42:48):
Okay, yeah, we know exactlywhat happened.

Speaker 2 (42:52):
Yeah, we know exactly what happened, but it's like.
It's almost like a redemptionfor humanity, like the virus
didn't get to this baby and youknow it feels sometimes it's
overwrought, but it's also.
It's also.
I'm so happy to see a movie.
Just be clear about this likeit's slightly thought provoking,

(43:14):
but then immediately clear.

Speaker 1 (43:17):
They understand.
Your audience is going toprobably be dumb.

Speaker 2 (43:21):
They do a good job of bridging the gap between, like
mentally simulating and alsoeasily digested, because I
certainly felt like I had likeit.
I thought about the movie forlike a few hours after it was
over and then my mind shut offabout it and I just digested it
and I was like, oh yeah, okay,great, hell yeah, I have almost

(43:44):
no questions about the movie,but it also feel for somehow I
feel fulfilled by it.

Speaker 1 (43:52):
Yes, yeah.

Speaker 2 (43:55):
And I even like that.
That's makes me think of how Ithought to myself, how it was
weird.
They just left and it was a boyset in the fire, um, and they
just like in my head I thoughtthey would like pan back and
like show a little bit like likehim trying to be like I'm going
out looking for him, um, andthey didn't, and instead of them

(44:17):
kind of like going in andshowing like that him wanting to
find his son, it just like it'sa quick clip back at the end of
him, just kind of being like uh, running out to the gate after
like the baby was dropped off.
Like at no point before thatwas he like um, like I don't
know, like trying to get out.
It was just like um, like Idon't know, like trying to get
out.
It was just odd to me that theydidn't like check that off and

(44:38):
it just felt obvious that theywere like okay, cool, quick
check off there.
You're happy with that like?
And it did.
But it did it for me.
I was like, yep, cool, thankgod you resolved that.
I was scared, I was worried youwouldn't okay, all right yeah, I
mean, I think this movie isjust very clearly like a coming
of age story and it's veryinteresting that, like this

(45:00):
movie, if you would replace thezombies with any other kind of
like challenge or something thatfelt scary, it would be just
another coming of age story andI really love that horror is
doing this more.
I think we talked about thatrecently about sci-fi, probably,
where it's like sci-fi can beany movie.
Yeah, I think we talked aboutthat recently about sci-fi,
probably where it's like sci-fican be any movie.
Yeah, I think we talked aboutit with spaceman maybe, or star,

(45:21):
but was it starship troopers?
I don't know, but yeah like orno it's been proven time and
time again that horror can bepretty much any movie, and it's
doing it again.
Now it's a.
It's been proven time and timeagain that horror can be pretty
much any movie, and it's doingit again now it's a coming of
age.
When's the last time you saw acoming of age story?
There's like monsters and, ohshit, what was it incoming.

(45:46):
Godzilla.
But nothing good, right?
Nothing good like it's beentried before and this one was
finally one that, like, took thepremise mildly seriously and
wasn't like tongue in cheek thewhole time.

Speaker 1 (46:04):
I enjoyed about the coming of age portion was the
use of mirrors in the camerashots.
We captured a lot of mirrorwork in the beginning is super
hard.
Start this film, by the way,where they're just like let's
kill some children watchingTeletubbies.

Speaker 2 (46:20):
Yeah, I was like God damn rough.

Speaker 1 (46:22):
Yeah, like, let's dive on in.
But then they used a mirror forthat and that was Aaron Taylor
Johnson's coming of age, rightthere, and taylor johnson's
coming of age right there, um,and then his son later on sees
him getting ready to ascend thestaircase to check on his

(46:43):
cancer-ridden dementia wifethrough a mirror and seeing,
like, like, what this beingadult is.
And you see, you see Aaron'scharacter, just sort of like,
fuck, I got to go up there again, I got to do what I got to do.
And he heads up the stairs andthen flash forwards.

(47:04):
When he's putting the skull upthere and things like that, the
mirror comes back again and it'sjust so.
I appreciated that, I thoughtthat was, I liked it, I enjoyed
the use of that mirror as thelike, the metaphor of him, uh,
growing and taking in these likedefining moments yeah, it's

(47:24):
almost like a reflection of theaudience, as like the of the
human experience.

Speaker 2 (47:30):
We all can see ourselves in these characters,
because we've all had.
We've all had to proveourselves and we've all found
out that our dads are liars.

Speaker 1 (47:38):
We've all found out that our dads are all pusshounds
.
Ain't that the fucking truth?
And goddammit if I didn't takeright after him.

Speaker 2 (47:53):
I saw my own mirror.
It was a human experience.

Speaker 1 (47:56):
I saw my own mirror as I was putting my mother's
skull on a pyramid of skulls.
So I get it.
You know, I, I get it, um, butbut so, as I was going forward,
I liked the use of the mirrors.
Um, I liked, uh, some of theexposition in here.
I thought it wasn't painful,exposition like when father and
son are talking along thecauseway, that changes based on

(48:20):
the tide um, I liked it, itworked, and they kept doing
those sort of hard cuts andflashes that that made it okay.
Um, I I liked, uh, the culturemutations that happened over
these 28 years.
Um, I, uh, yeah, so I the oneof the comments, I, so I'm right

(48:40):
now I'm reading through thenotes that I'm taking in the
middle of this theater, you know, lighting up a bright screen,
so the people behind me are justhaving a terrible time.

Speaker 2 (48:48):
Oh, yeah, you bet.
I know you didn't do that, Iknow you didn't, you know I
didn't do that.

Speaker 1 (48:52):
I know you didn't, you know I didn't, I know you
didn't, but those people areawful.

Speaker 2 (48:59):
There was someone on their phone in front of me
yesterday when I went to go seehow to train your dragon in 3D
and it was incrediblydistracting.

Speaker 1 (49:08):
I was trying to look at the fucking dragons not the
phone, but one of my commentshere was the CGI deer deer
sucked like you should have keptcgi out of this thing.
They looked terrible, butanyway, but anyway um but then
people are the real monster.
The lesson still hasn't changedand, like, I fucking get it.

(49:28):
I know, but that's not what I'mhere for.
And um, it hasn't changed sincethe first film and I felt that
parts of it ripped it apart.
So I'm here for and um, ithasn't changed since the first
film and I felt that parts of itripped it apart.
So I'm happy that this film wasable to kind of fucking pull
out of that particular nosediveand made me interested again in
this alpha.
I want to know what he's doing.
I want to know what these, thistracksuit cult, is doing um,

(49:49):
yeah, well, I will do it.
Oh good, sorry, finish yourthought well, I think that a
bunch of people are going to seethat at the end and think
that's goofy.
Um, but from where I'm comingfrom, um, as you know, with you
know a degree in culturalanthropology and that sort of
mindset, like no, that that'sactually very, a very possible

(50:11):
situation where these guys wouldfind a clothing like that,
start aligning themselves in away that became ideological in
the way they dressed.
And I mean, we've, we've,historically, we've had people
drink kool-aid wearing thatexact same outfit, so like.
So I'm sure a bunch of peoplesaw that and like, well, this is
just turned goofy.

(50:32):
I, I was watching it, do you?

Speaker 2 (50:34):
think that was a Jonestown reference.
Yes or no?

Speaker 1 (50:38):
no heaven's gate, heaven's gate, heaven's gate.
And I think we're going to seethat, that you don't encounter
people that are that good atkilling, dressing the same and
being that, uh, you know,motivated in the ways they are
together, without some sinisterideology behind it, and we're

(50:59):
definitely going to deal withthat.
In the second one.
I feel, and in my opinion, inthese sort of apocalyptic
scenarios we would see a lot ofcults springing up, and the
movie started with Aaron TaylorJohnson's father essentially
just giving himself to hisreligion.

Speaker 2 (51:18):
That was not Aaron Taylor Johnson.
That was the guy at the end.
That's Jimmy.

Speaker 1 (51:22):
That's Jimmy.
That's the tracksuit guy.

Speaker 2 (51:25):
Tracksuit guy's dad.

Speaker 1 (51:27):
Is that what it was?
Yeah, because of the cross thathe's wearing.
Yeah, yeah, it's tracksuitguy's dad, I literally put Jimmy
coming full circle.

Speaker 2 (51:34):
To be a part of a murderous boy band was my
favorite part.

Speaker 1 (51:37):
Fucking hell.
I didn't even catch that,because when they did the hard
cut to the kid it looked likethe same kind of kid, and so
when they showed his dad, I kindof assumed that was when the
movie started.

Speaker 2 (51:47):
that's what I did think.
But then, as I saw the cross, Iwas like oh, that's Jimmy.

Speaker 1 (51:51):
Maybe I'd been drinking too much then.

Speaker 2 (51:52):
Okay, that's, that's wild, but the whole thing is
interesting too, because Iactually said that it's the
coming home party, like after hegot his kill and stuff, and it
felt culty, like you said,multiple cults, like tracks, you
guys were holds, but that wholefucking that, that little town

(52:12):
they had on the island was acult.
Like the way they like like ID,like we little town they had on
the island was a cult.
Like the way they like like id,like were proud of this kid,
like having those were humansthat they were killing, like the
like at the end of the day,like don't get me wrong, like
infected or not, but likethere's some humanity to that.
Um, and I think one of theobvious golden path thoughts
like that I actually had waslike the beginning of the movie
was his father teaching him thatbasically killing is cool.

(52:34):
That's what makes you a man ifyou can kill these infected
people, that.
But then it's not.
And then somehow it just goesto Ralph Fiennes teaching his
boy what what like is actuallymakes you a man and it's
understanding that death is realbut like you can obviously
there's better ways to die liveyour life like I feel like it
was like kind of like that'swhat it was like split into two

(52:56):
almost.
This is not what was good.
This is like what death isabout.
It's not about just likekilling is affected, like
they're and he understands theirpeople.
samson gives him a name.
Um, yeah, like I feel like soit was.
It's pretty obviously like twoparts, like now, but good, yeah,
and piggybacking off that helike it was what, it was what

(53:19):
his dad and their culture washiding from him, which is well,
no, the culture wasn't either,because the lady showed the
graves when they left.
They're like, listen, weunderstand death here, but dad,
his dad, didn't really want toacknowledge failure.
Maybe failure was what hedidn't want to acknowledge.
And Ralph Fiennes is likelisten, failures, successes,

(53:43):
whatever, no matter what, you'regoing to die and I'm going to
take your mom, I'm going toroast her in a big tank.

Speaker 1 (53:51):
You're going to climb your ass up to the top of that
skull.

Speaker 2 (53:55):
Here, boy, have some morphine.
We're just gonna go kill yourmother real quick, like what I
was.
Like this is absolute, but I dothink it was kind of thrown in
your face, but it still was likekind of an interesting theme to
me, like a, like a meaning, butit is like you said there.
I felt like it was just likethis is exactly what we're
trying to tell you.
Like it split into like almosttwo different like parts to a

(54:19):
movie.
There should have been a as thefirst and second act.

Speaker 1 (54:22):
almost Also, but on that point.
So I had sort of a moment inthe theater.
So this weekend, um, and a lotof people listening are going to
be like well, it's just africking mouse, but um,
listening are gonna be like,well, it's just a freaking mouse
, but um.
So in my house we had two, tworats um, I bought them three
years ago and I've grown veryattached, and this one in
particular.
Um, I had grown very attachedto um.

(54:44):
I'm allergic to rats, by theway, but I, I bought them for my
, um, for my son and um, uh,when he first came he was like
super afraid of everyone.
So I kind of picked his littlefat ass up and I just pet his
head while my face is fuckingdrowning from my allergies.
But I just held this mouse for30 minutes and I became very

(55:06):
attached to him.
He passed away yesterday.

Speaker 2 (55:10):
Oh, sorry to hear that man.

Speaker 1 (55:12):
But it was peaceful.
About Friday.
Today, sunday, when we'rerecording friday, I could tell
that something was off with him.
He was breathing differentlyand like, and he's three years
old that's he's very old for arat, um, and I could just tell
that he's on his way out and hewas super friendly for those

(55:35):
last couple of days.
He was, uh, resting on hisbrother a lot Another rat I have
, um, and I just knew, like, ah,poe Barry, you're about to call
it a day, aren't you?
But I, I didn't have to put himdown, um, I, I got to be with

(56:03):
him those days and then he justwent to sleep.
And so what ralph finescharacter was saying in this
movie to me today, um, about,like, we're all gonna die and
you wanted, and the best we cando is for it to be peaceful and
gentle and like, and that's whatI experienced this weekend with
po bear the rat was that, yeah,the best we can do is peaceful
and gentle it was because ralphfinds also understood that he
knew what was coming her losingher mind.

Speaker 2 (56:20):
Like this was just the beginning, it's gonna get
much worse, kind of thing.
Like she's gonna, um, let'sjust go ahead like humane, still
psycho, like he is like sodetached from like, like like
remorse, so I don't know, maybenot, but like it feels like he's
just like, yeah, we just let'skill him and burn a little
insane.
I think we only have part ofthis story, so this.

(56:43):
I know this isn't necessarilygolden path, but I have like
predictions for the future.
Like this is.
I don't.
I want to see if you guys alsocame to these conclusions,
because it's because one thing Idon't think, one thing I think,
uh, we might disagree on, isthat ralph finds is actually a
bad, not a good guy.
I think I think that ralphfinds is actually, uh, like a

(57:06):
rage shepherd, like he like hasthis flock of like rage people,
and I think that maybe he triedto.
I think that he may haveencouraged this baby that they
found he, he looked like I don'tknow if his reaction was right.
You know when he told, I agree Ithink that, but you should go

(57:29):
home, yeah, and take that babyto your home, and I think that
maybe that baby, like, is acarrier of the virus or I don't
know, but I think perhaps.
Ralph Fiennes is not a good guy, I agree of them and he's, you

(57:51):
know he's like.
Oh, this is samson.
Samson, by the way, was uhfamous in the bible for raping
and impregnating delilah likethat was the based on the
language of hair.

Speaker 1 (58:04):
Yeah and um, yeah, so just saying it's an infected,
it's an infected.
Infected baby, so like it has tobe infected yeah, I mean, and
if you can pick up on those sortof references, because they
were very big about references.
And yeah, samson raped Delilah.
There's a pregnant zombierunning around, you know too, I

(58:26):
mean, if it looks like a duckand quacks like a fucking duck,
the way this movie we've beentalking all day about how it's
so digestible Rage duck we got arage duck here, boys.
So, speaking of rage ducks,it's time to get on to the third
portion of this.
It's time for the what ifs.

(58:46):
It's time to insert ourselves.
It's time to insert ourselvesinto this fucking thing.
I think I still have theballpark button.
Yeah, I do.
Um, sorry about that everyone.
I apologize.
I'll never do that again.
That'll never happen again um,but anyway it's a button I've

(59:12):
had here for every, so we're atlike episode 80 something.
I've had that button the wholetime.
That's the first time I pressedit.

Speaker 2 (59:21):
It'll never happen again.
I can't believe we haven't usedthat every episode.

Speaker 1 (59:27):
I just said it's gone .
Um, so, uh, let's go into thisone.
Let's dive on in.
Um, what would happen if youguys were in this movie?
Uh, luke, you want to take thisone away first.

Speaker 2 (59:41):
I'm going to be a part of Jimmy's crew for sure.
Um, yeah, you look good in atracksuit, yeah.
I look good in a tracksuit and Ihonestly just would.
Uh, those guys are psychos, umand for sure, like murdered
people in real life, or at leastwanted to.
Um, and now that they're, it's,you're allowed to.

(01:00:01):
They're like hell.
Yeah, they found each other.
They all love killing, um, andI just I want to be a part of a
crew that really knows whatthey're doing, and I feel like
they do.
They're just.
They're not only they're notsurviving, they're thriving, and
that's what I want to do outhere With parkour.
Yeah, they're looking to fightthese.
They're not looking like, oh,we run from them, they're like
we're hunting them.

(01:00:22):
We love this, and that justfeels like a much more or less
stressful lifestyle.
So I want to be a part ofJimmy's crew and I'm going to
start training today to be thatgood at acrobats and killing
zombies.

Speaker 1 (01:00:37):
Well, I'm excited to follow that journey.
We talked about that before theepisode started.
You guys could follow that atLuke's journey dot com where
he's going to get super intoparkour and tracksuits.
You can purchase his tracksuitnow at high and dry dot com.

Speaker 2 (01:00:58):
LPK Luke Parkmore, and they are suede, so Hell yeah
, comes a sweet fucking neckblink.
All right, all right.
So I guess we'll see the restof your story in movie number
two.
Yeah, unfortunately you don'tget a lot.
I would just be right at theend.
You would see me.

(01:01:19):
I would actually be doing aflip, but I'd fall down.
I'd still get the kill, but alittle bit more stressful, I'm
learning.
Still, you'd have to be wearingone of those blonde wigs with
the bangs.

Speaker 1 (01:01:33):
I have a bowl cut for sure, bowl cut wig, you know,
with with it on nice with thepower, with the power of this
spear will kill you well, I'mexcited for how you and I will
interact in this new apocalypticworld um with how I feel, I
would, you know, jump into this,um I mean please do tell um, I,

(01:01:58):
yeah, I would be assuming Isurvived 28 years.
Um, I would be a stone coldraider sociopath, um, um, but
like my boys out there intracksuits, so like I'm not
gonna encroach, you know, andyou know, as long as you guys
are doing your thing it's allgood we'll.
We'll still be able to do thepodcast, um, I'll send some of

(01:02:21):
my cronies out there to get likea jenny jenny running and we
can keep this thing going um,but like keep getting it out to
us so for me, I would sort oftake it upon myself to to
cleanse this world.
The rage virus needs to die.
Um, people need to survive andsomeone's got to do it without

(01:02:45):
their fucking nonsensicalideologies getting involved,
without me fucking hunting forpuss every two seconds, um, I I
would become this raider king,um, who's just trying to push
shit around.
We're we're not here to survive, we are here to wipe out every

(01:03:06):
rage virus thing we see um, youremind me of gerard butler's
character in how to train yourdragon.

Speaker 2 (01:03:14):
That's how he, that's how he was talked about the
dragons it is, it is and then,but then they ended up living
together.
I doubt that's happening withfucking and ripping.
Everyone's trying to make ithappen ralph working on it my.

Speaker 1 (01:03:30):
So my group would have seen ralph fines.
He'd be a dead man.
You're gone, dude.

Speaker 2 (01:03:37):
There's no way we can leave this guy alive.

Speaker 1 (01:03:40):
No, you're doing something.

Speaker 2 (01:03:41):
He's got morphine darts, we're not dealing with
him.

Speaker 1 (01:03:43):
No, absolutely not.
He would have taken two to theback of the head hollow points a
long time ago.
That would have been a wrap.
No, he does not survive in myapocalypse.
Um, the mom wouldn't exist inthis world.
I would recognize that.
Hey guys, she has dementia,fucking obviously, um, cancer,

(01:04:09):
some.
We can't fix that.
All right, she's gots to go and, uh, she would.
It'd be very quiet, verypeaceful, um, but she's gotta go
, so she'd be gone.
Uh, ralph finds gone, would you?

Speaker 2 (01:04:23):
also steam her until her flesh fell from her skull
and then add it to your skullmountain no, and that's where me
and ralph finds, uh, reallydefer ideology ideologically.

Speaker 1 (01:04:38):
You know what I'm saying.
Um, yeah, him and I, we have afew deferring, dissenting
opinions really, and skullmountain is one of them.
Um, so yeah, him and I wouldn'treally see eye to eye on Skull
Mountain, so that wouldn't work.
So he'd be gone, samson wouldbe gone, the mom would be gone.

Speaker 2 (01:05:01):
I also love how the kid does not think he's crazy.
In the end he's like he's notcrazy.
Dad the Skull.
Mountain makes sense If youreally think about it.
I love that.
He sent the message that he'snot crazy Fucking wild.
He's not crazy, fucking wild.

(01:05:22):
He's not crazy, dad, trust me.

Speaker 1 (01:05:23):
Oh, no, oh fuck, and you know, and that'd be one of
the things that in my culture wewould root out.
Um, we would be our own cult,you know.
But this.

Speaker 2 (01:05:33):
This is what Danny Boyle was trying to say about
like ignorance, like this kid,like the shit that he gets into
is just because the society kepthim ignorant about this.

Speaker 1 (01:05:42):
Yes, we would not, we would not, and I promise that
to my, my voters, that we willnot keep you ignorant, ignorant.

Speaker 2 (01:05:51):
Allow my alive.
I mean, unless you know theworst should befall.

Speaker 1 (01:05:55):
You allow my we will keep you alive.
After that I mean, unless youknow the worst should befall you
and at that point I reallycan't save you.
So you know, it is what it is.
Ralph Fiennes is dead, samson'sdead.

Speaker 2 (01:06:07):
Vote for me in your apocalypse.
That sounds like a goodapocalypse to me.

Speaker 1 (01:06:12):
The only reason those tracksuit dudes are still
chilling is because me and Lukeare friends.

Speaker 2 (01:06:15):
I ain't about to step on that and the sequel is going
to be more of a kill bill stylemovie of just us and brian's
group just murking infectedpeople, just like it's gonna be
sweet, we got direct why do youguys assume that my story is not
going to also be?

(01:06:36):
Because we both assume that youshot yourself 28 years ago I
probably would not be able toshoot myself as a child.
I'd probably still think thatthere was hope.
But well before this movie forsure, yeah we were right on
track yeah, I'd be.

(01:06:59):
When she's like we don't sendrescue groups anywhere, that
points all the graves.

Speaker 1 (01:07:05):
That's right like we're almost at episode 90 of
this show.
I entirely anticipated that meand Luke were still here and
James has been dead for sometime.

Speaker 2 (01:07:27):
No, I'm Ralph Fiennes , no changes.
Just doing the same thing everyday painting.
Listen, I like my art, it'swhat gives me purpose.
It's like bathing iodine yeah,alright, that's all 4 out of 5

(01:07:53):
great film.

Speaker 1 (01:07:53):
4 out of 5.
I absolutely love that.
Me and Luke both assumed thatyou had died some time ago.

Speaker 2 (01:08:04):
Yeah, apocalypses aren't for me.
That's the thing.
We keep going over apocalypsesand doing horror movies and
stuff where people are dyingleft and right.
Yeah, I'm probably going to die.
The odds are that I'm going todie.
Most people have died.
Yeah, yeah, statisticallyyou're just more realistic than

(01:08:29):
us, because we're always likewe're going to do this, we'll
all be dead.
We're all too.

Speaker 1 (01:08:36):
Well and to that point.
So someone said somethinginteresting to me this past week
, because normally, you know,that's the side I'm on when
these things kind of break down.
I'm going to be a raider, I'mgoing to do what I got to
fucking do.
I'm going to just be astraight-up psychopath.
Someone said to me this lastweek that, like well, to do that

(01:09:03):
you have to burn bridges.
And, ryan, I've noticed thatyou're more about building
lifeboats, so I don't reallyknow where I'd wind up.
Maybe I'd be ralph fine, maybeI'd be samson, I don't know
maybe you'd be aaron taylormaybe I'd be just getting out
there spreading the virus,getting puss you know making
zombie babies, spreading yourown kind of virus.

Speaker 2 (01:09:20):
Yeah, you're competently killing zombies, you
are procreating, you're gettingpuss Right and you're telling
tall tales.

Speaker 1 (01:09:32):
And it sounds like that might be what you end up as
yeah, honestly, he was prettyon.
My only kind of break from himwould be I don't like the weird
religion that's sprouting up inhere.
I'm gonna stop that um, and Ithink I would be thrust into a
position that I shouldn't be inand that would turn into my
cults encroaching on lu cult Himand I would.

Speaker 2 (01:09:55):
Would you be thrust into it or would you thrust your
way to it?

Speaker 1 (01:09:59):
Well, apparently I would just use my fucking
awesome tongue game.

Speaker 2 (01:10:05):
That's all we need to know.

Speaker 1 (01:10:08):
Yeah, no, I'm a giver , right, this is 2025.
Yeah, it's no longer justfucking an alley.
It's me getting on my knees andmy son seeing that.
Oh, it's about giving, notreceiving.

Speaker 2 (01:10:24):
I think there was a good.

Speaker 1 (01:10:25):
I thought there was a good lesson to be learned there
honestly, it's like what hesaid for the body hanging.

Speaker 2 (01:10:30):
He's like there's a lesson.

Speaker 1 (01:10:31):
He should have looked at him and went there's a
lesson, boy, you stay, yeah, youwill watch, as I watched my
father before me, and then Igotta like pull some hair out of
my fucking teeth because it'sthe apocalypse you see, um can't
be using razors for that right.

Speaker 2 (01:10:53):
So yeah, it really was just like any town, like
that's existed for thousands ofyears, like except for the
zombies part like this was justlike any town yeah, besides, if
you didn't leave that wall likeit was normal as hell.
Well, besides the cult.
But yeah, there was a cult inthere, but uh it's like this

(01:11:14):
village of people who have to betogether.
It's not.
They're not like cohesive onsubjects, they're all flawed and
we could have just stayed inthat village and it could have
been like a medieval coming ofage drama.
You know, said in like yeah,it'd be a really boring fucking
movie, but yeah yeah, this guywatching people have sex behind

(01:11:35):
each other's backs and tell liesand like that's what.
That's what's coming to makemovies are you know?

Speaker 1 (01:11:41):
I mean that was like you just described game of
thrones.
So who knows?

Speaker 2 (01:11:44):
maybe it was taken off well.

Speaker 1 (01:11:46):
Okay, well, could be fun.
Uh, well, hey, at the end ofthe day, uh, 28 years later,
it's getting a four out of five,super strong score as far as
high and dry is concerned.
Uh, remember, folks, giving isbetter than receiving, and if
everyone puts that thought intotheir minds, we're all receiving
.

Speaker 2 (01:12:02):
So, um yeah, well, not if you're all giving to the
same person well, I mean he'sreceiving, I mean he's.
I mean he's receiving clitorison his tongue.
But what else is he gettingfrom?

Speaker 1 (01:12:19):
it.
Well, I'm assuming that if wehave a town full of people just
giving you know someone'sgetting their dick sucked,
they're all giving oral sex toAaron Taylor Johnson and he's
giving oral sex to this otherwoman.

Speaker 2 (01:12:35):
This is a weird movie .
I did write this note and Ineed to say it before we close
out.
Uh, samson is the guy she tellsyou not to worry about.

Speaker 1 (01:12:43):
Just so you guys fucking muscle so hard dude and
the amount of protein samson hasto be eating is, he is eating.

Speaker 2 (01:12:54):
Well, yeah, yeah, he's doing fine, I'm not worried
about samson.

Speaker 1 (01:13:01):
I am not worried about samson so um remember,
guys.
Uh, giving is better thanreceiving.
You'll find that you receive inyour own time.
Uh, this is an enjoy podcast.
I'm your host, ryan bear north.
Uh, with me, as always, jamescrossland luke.
Thank you, guys for listening.
Bye.