December 27, 2023 • 46 mins
"Violent Night," we're not just reviewing a movie here – we're taking a sleigh ride through David Harbour's Santa portrayal, dissecting the film's tonal rollercoaster, and challenging the notion of holiday tropes and character redemption.
High n' Dry has returned, so get ready to question everything you thought you knew about simple cinematic pleasure as we debate whether a movie must ignite deep thought to spark joy. "Violent Night" serves as our test subject, juxtaposed with the effortless humor of classics like 'Beavis and Butt-Head Do America'. We're getting philosophical about fiery money scenes and what they say about our values.
And why stop at just watching Santa when you could reimagine stepping into the red suit yourself? We don't just critique – we fantasize about rewriting ourselves into the "Violent Night" narrative, contemplating the ludicrous logistics of Santa's sleigh and the overlooked elfin workforce. Raise a glass to those unsung heroes working through the festivities, our tipsy take on "Violent Night" might have you rethinking the meaning of Christmas. Pour yourself some Redwood Empire whiskey, relax, and let's make merry with a side of movie mayhem.
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Ryan (00:00):
Hey everybody, welcome to high and dry podcast, the only
podcast keeping alive the fandomof Dark Angel Jessica Alba.
I'm close to Ryan Baron, northwith me, as always.
James Croslin, james, how's itgoing?
They can adjust the gal by now,oh.
James (00:16):
Yeah, jessica Alba.
It launched her career of beingthe hottest woman in television
for like 15 years.
Ryan (00:25):
What she?
What happened to this?
James (00:27):
album?
I Don't know, I have no idea.
I don't think she's aparticularly good actress, so I
think that that probably startedto weigh her down, as as
Hollywood was like near 30 now.
She was like there were likealright, can you act?
And she's like not really.
(00:48):
Goodbye Show.
Learn to act, damn it.
Ryan (00:56):
It was who's the other, the one that sort of time forgot
Jennifer love Hewitt.
She also vanished in that samesort of time period, right there
.
James (01:08):
She was on a.
She was on a show where she wasa medium.
She was like a ghost Was it, itmedium.
No, was it just medium?
I thought it was something muchdumber.
Hold on, jennifer, love I.
Ryan (01:26):
Are ghosts.
I don't remember it was ghostsomething.
It was Something.
I was a ghost whisper.
James (01:33):
I think it might be ghost whisper Hilarious.
It was a such a bad show.
Anyway, I don't think we'rehere to talk about.
Ryan (01:46):
We're here to talk about Dark Angel, so for those of you
joining, there were.
James (01:51):
There were a hundred and seven episodes of ghost whisper.
Ryan (01:56):
Well, someone liked it, so I'm glad they're getting these
references.
So, hey, for those of you whojoin us for the first time,
welcome.
For those of you who've beenhere before, welcome back.
We've been in on sort of abreak for a little while now.
Merry Christmas, happy holidaysto everyone out there.
On our first episode of the newwave that is high and dry,
(02:18):
where a podcast talks aboutphilosophy, pop culture, all
those sorts of fun things, andwe're kind of changing it up a
little bit now we're gonna belooking today at the film
vicious night, our Santa Clausfilm.
We decided we're gonna dosomething a little Christmasy
for all you guys.
James (02:34):
It's a violent night I.
Ryan (02:38):
Don't know why I think it that mixed up we've been.
We've done three of these showsin a row now and I think I'm
just still a little need-braided.
So I got to get the titlerights of violent night.
We're gonna be doing violentnight, our Santa film this today
, and we're gonna break it downa little bit.
We're gonna get into some soberthoughts, we're gonna then go
into some enlightened thoughtsand then we're gonna do a few
what-ifs.
But how we're gonna get intothose enlightened thoughts is
(03:00):
that we're gonna get a littledrunk and we're gonna get a
little high.
So, james, what are you smokingthis week?
James (03:06):
I'm smoking a very heavy indica called Cush Mountain,
because I need to bedesensitized from all of this
violence or viciousness, as you.
Ryan (03:23):
Yep, the family's gathering around the fire to
watch all this viciousness.
Lovely, lovely, and I'll bejoining you with a Redwood
Empire.
It's my, it's my weekend poor,you know a little special
occasions.
It's our first episode backhere, sort of the first episode
back.
We did a few bit.
This will be our first one toair, so I felt we got some in
(03:45):
the tank.
Yeah, we got some in the tanknow, but yeah, I'm gonna drink
my special little Redwood Empire.
It's a hundred horsepower, it'sgonna get the job done.
Can you give me where I need tobe so?
The first one goes to violentnight Cheers.
James (04:01):
Cheers.
I'm supposed to do it, aren't I?
Oh yeah, that smooth tasteslike the mountains.
Ryan (04:15):
Love low, speaking of mountains.
So it is Christmas.
I got these new whiskey glassesthat have Mount Everest in the
crystal Right at the bottom,right there and you put them in
the freezer and it instantlycools your whiskey as it hits.
It's very good.
James (04:34):
Very good yeah, taking a little bit of adventure on every
drunken escapade, that's right,it's like I'm standing on the
pole of Everest.
Ryan (04:50):
So what's our, what's our second shot?
To what are we doing this?
James (04:53):
Yeah, I mean, I think we definitely have to Do a toast to
Jessica Alba.
Yes yes, the star of you knowthe hits like good luck, chuck,
and the love guru.
Ah yes, little Fockers, oh boy,spy kids for.
Ryan (05:22):
It wasn't her fault at all .
It was a series of writers andbad decisions.
Are you telling me that?
James (05:29):
are you telling me the entourage movie wasn't her
pinnacle and a beloved franchisethat continues to to Merge the
pop culture with with drama.
Ryan (05:44):
All I all.
The only thing that Fuckingentourage makes me think is how
upset I was to find out thatJeremy Piven will have to open
our Alligation cyclopedia toreally see break it down what he
did.
But didn't we learn that he wasa bit of a dick bag?
James (06:02):
I Don't know, but he always plays a dick bag.
I wouldn't be surprised if he'sjust hoping it was an act he
might.
He might just be a bad actorand be a dick bag, and so it's
very easy, that's very goodthing, I've, never I've never
seen him do anything else.
Ryan (06:20):
No well.
I mean he was in.
Well, here's to Jessica.
For those of you who arecurious, who like to imbibe with
whiskey, the Redwood Empirekicks like a mule, but it's got
(06:43):
a wonderful cherry flavor.
Really, really enjoy.
James (06:49):
My, that's awesome.
I like whiskey from time totime.
My weed has really fire flavor.
It tastes like smoke and ashes.
Ryan (07:01):
I think something is around with your bite.
James (07:04):
Yeah, I need to clean it out.
But Kush Mountain is usuallyreally good, tastes like floral.
It's got real sedative effects,so this one I'm going to be
really chill.
Ryan (07:15):
Okay, all right.
Yeah, I don't remember how Iwas on the Redwood Empire last
time, but we're going to findout.
I think that's an indicator ofits own.
So here's the third one.
Here's to coming back as highand dry, working with friends,
and happy holidays everybody.
James (07:32):
Yeah, and also innovating , much like the movie Entourage.
Ryan (07:38):
Featuring Jessica Alba and Jeremy Piven.
We all have to consult ourallegation cyclopedia.
Yeah.
James (07:52):
I wonder what.
I wonder what allegationsJessica Alba has against her.
Ryan (07:57):
Oh well, a lot, a lot, without a doubt.
I know she's listening rightnow, very upset.
James (08:05):
Thank you.
Ryan (08:07):
This is by far her least favorite episode of high and dry
that.
James (08:11):
Jessica Alba's ever listened to.
All of the allegations are justthat she makes bad decisions
about movie.
Ryan (08:18):
Yeah, pretty much, yeah, yeah.
Meanwhile, Piven faced severalallegations of sexual assault
and misconduct which surfacedbetween 2017 and 2018.
Multiple women God damn itPiven.
Ah, classic Fucking Piven.
All right, you piece of shit.
Well, it's time to get into it.
So tonight we're talking aboutViolent Night.
(08:39):
We're doing our little holidayepisode there.
We're going to break it down inthree ways for you.
Our sober thoughts areenlightened thoughts and a what
if?
Scenario.
So let's start with those soberthoughts before that Redwood
Empire makes it to mybloodstream.
James, what were your thoughtson the film Violent Night?
James (08:56):
I thought this film was.
I thought it was good.
I think the question mark, Ithink that my I left this movie
feeling mostly positive about it.
I think that it was.
I think it could have beenbetter.
I think a lot of movies couldbe better, obviously yeah, but
(09:21):
for what it was it was enjoyable.
There are a few things thatdefinitely got me.
I don't want to throw up all mylines really quick, but a few
of them that got me was likewhen it oscillated between, like
the goriness and the silliness,when she, when she, when he,
when he pulls his, his specialhammer out of the sleigh and she
(09:43):
goes skull crusher, the girlexactly says skull crusher.
That really worked for me.
That was pretty good.
Okay, yeah, so.
So I like the oscillation.
I thought sometimes it wasclumsy, but more often than not
it left me with this, with avery, you know happy feeling.
(10:04):
How about you?
Ryan (10:06):
Well, so for me, first, I want to say that there's an
episode coming where we will bediscussing Rebel Moon, directed
by Zack Snyder, and after thatepisode a lot of people are
going to say, oh, they justtrash movies.
No, we just trash bad movies,point in case.
Let's talk about Violet Knight.
(10:26):
I had a lot of good to say.
There's a lot of good to sayabout this movie.
I think there was a lot ofgreat things to say about it.
I thought that David HarbourI've become a fan of David
Harbour.
I just love seeing actors sortof appear when they're middle
aged.
You know just, he's a walkingreminder that you don't have to
(10:49):
let your dreams die.
You can do this after you'vegotten, you know, a little up
there.
But I love everything he does.
He just brings a great energyto everything.
What I enjoyed particularlyabout this movie was I liked the
liberties they took with Santa.
I enjoyed that he was a Viking,that he was an ex-Viking.
James (11:14):
Spoilers, I guess.
But if you, don't know thatwe're going to talk about the
fucking movie.
Ryan (11:20):
What am I supposed to do?
Yeah, I loved the libertiesthey took with Santa.
I loved a lot of the messagesthat went forward.
It could have just been that Ihad been drinking all day.
At that point I was touched.
I enjoyed it and I loved themusic.
I thought they picked greatsongs for the scenes of Gatuit's
(11:44):
violence.
James (11:45):
I yeah, I didn't notice them.
I might need to re-watch.
I'd be willing to re-watch thismovie, to check out some of the
, to pay attention to that pointbecause I kind of missed it.
Ryan (11:58):
Really yeah.
So especially when he's sort ofdusted off the cobwebs of the
things holding him back and hejust goes ham with the
sledgehammer he finds and wipesout like a SWAT team.
Essentially they picked a greatsong for it.
I was really getting into it.
I was enjoying the hell out ofit.
James (12:20):
Well, I didn't notice the music, but sometimes that's a
good thing If it's just like, ifit fits so well, you're not
like that didn't work orsomething like that.
If sometimes most of the thingswe talk about when we say this
is a good movie are things thatare unnoticed, it's little
things that are done that youdon't really pick up on.
That make a movie good.
(12:40):
Good transitions where theywhere motion is maintained,
keeping the story in plot anddialogue moving, those are
things that you don't reallynotice much and same with score.
It's like an amplifier forwhat's occurring on screen and
it's great that you noticed itand we're able to bring that to
the table.
I didn't notice it all, I wasjust.
(13:01):
For me it just flowed reallywell.
Ryan (13:04):
And so for me personally, I sort of view the world and my
writing and everything like thatjust through a lens of the song
that accompanies it.
So it's just a more natural wayfor me to sort of think.
So I will always notice whatthey chose to play at the time,
and for this one I enjoyed thehell out of it, I really did
(13:25):
Even as not particularly a hugefan of Christmas James.
I enjoyed these Christmas James.
James (13:31):
So what we still?
So I turned it on its head,right yeah.
Ryan (13:35):
Well, while we have a couple of minutes left of our
sober thoughts, I feel mine arevast.
I quickly running away from it.
It's that record empire.
Is there anything that youdidn't really appreciate,
anything that you didn't carefor?
James (13:47):
I thought that sometimes the movie forgot that it was
campy.
It really it should have.
In some places it took itselftoo seriously again, we also had
a lot of unearned characterredemption.
Like the dad, I hated the dadoh yeah, and he just, he got
(14:12):
everything back.
Ryan (14:12):
He got everything back.
Christmas magic For doingnothing.
James (14:15):
For doing nothing.
Ryan (14:17):
For actually being a bad dude For committing robbery.
James (14:19):
For actually being a real piece of shit.
Yeah, and the boy Bertrand, andBertrand, bertrand, bertrand,
bertrand, bertrand.
And his mom.
That was good.
They're terrible, and at theend of the movie they're just
like oh, everything's great,again it's like no.
(14:41):
Those people tried to get theirblack in-law relative woman
murdered.
Are you telling me that that'sjust a coincidence, that these
people immediately you shouldtake the black woman.
It was very obvious to me andthey're terrible fucking people.
No, they're all terrible.
(15:02):
Santa should have thensledgehammered them, and all in
the heads, and it would havebeen a better end.
Ryan (15:10):
Well, to a point on that.
So I do enjoy the genre.
Well, there's only about twothat I could think about from my
head, but I enjoy the genre ofa normal, regular person who
appreciates life and hasn't beencompletely poisoned by greed
and money, marrying into afamily like this and it becomes
a comedy horror.
(15:31):
The other one I could think ofwas when this young woman she
marries into a very rich toyfamily they made their entire
money.
They were essentially like anevil hasbro, I guess and she
(15:51):
marries it.
I'm going to have to find that,I'll find it eventually.
I don't have that Joe Rogan guywe were talking about, but in
that movie spoiler alert, by theway, if you haven't seen this
movie, I can't think of thetitle of at the end, her entire
new in-law family explodes Likethey, each one individually,
(16:13):
explodes from this ghost's curse, and so I like to see that sort
of come up and that, yeah,you're right, you're right, that
didn't happen in Violent Night.
They didn't get their come up.
No one really seemed to acceptthe poor kid who circumstance
(16:34):
turned him into an evilmercenary who hates Christmas.
James (16:39):
Also the guy who's an idiot and who's like a male
model, like he doesn't seemparticularly evil, he just seems
like an idiot and he gotmurdered.
He got his comeuppance.
Ryan (16:55):
Yeah, yeah, and he was a little fast too.
I guess that was instant.
James (16:59):
Yeah.
So that's where I felt themovie Miss the Mark.
I miss the mark in a few places.
I don't feel like that guyshould have gotten his wife and
daughter back.
That daughter's wish wasgranted, but essentially she's
going to be living in a brokenhome because her parents are
back together instead of likemoving forward and learning how
to cope.
Ryan (17:20):
And be better people in general.
James (17:21):
Yeah.
Ryan (17:22):
And the movie I was thinking of was Ready or Not.
It was Ready or Not.
James (17:26):
I see, yeah, I do like horrors where a normal person
marries into a crazy, like arich family that has no morals.
That also happens in Fall ofthe House of Usher, which I
haven't seen the last episode,so don't ruin it for me?
Ryan (17:41):
Okay, I will not, but if you like that, check out Ready
or Not, check it out.
I'm telling you you're going toenjoy that.
You're going to enjoy that alot, okay, well, so it's time to
move into our second portion.
Check out Ready or Not.
Second portion now it's time toget into our enlightened state,
where we've had a few now Icould definitely feel a bubbling
(18:01):
on through my head.
It's time for our final hit andshot.
It's time to talk about what weunderstand better about this
violent night.
I would say this one right herethis little final guy, I'd like
it to go to David Harper.
He makes everything that I seehim in much better.
(18:26):
I am a big fan of David Harper,so cheers, cheers.
James (18:31):
Cheers David Harper.
I got to say I hated him inseason three of Stranger Things,
Like he ruined that season forme.
But I think that's.
I think it's really importantto say that David Harper is
great at comedy and he should beused for comedy and let loose
on comedy a lot more often.
(18:52):
The best parts of this moviewere the comedic bit.
He was good at violence.
He was good at beingintimidating.
He's a giant man with like aperpetual dick face and he's
very funny.
In addition to that, the partsthat failed for me were where
they were like I don't know whatI'm doing, kid, Like it was a
(19:14):
diehard reference right, theeven say diehard in the movie.
Ryan (19:18):
Well, at one point he pulls out a diehard blu-ray from
his sack and I'm like oh, thatwas pretty good, that was a good
.
Oh yeah, we know what we'redoing.
This is Santa with diehard.
There it is for you.
James (19:29):
So they should have been funnier.
Though it should have beenfunnier, I feel like.
I feel like there were somereally funny bits, like when he
took, when he they did the 360of him like a martial artist
with twirling the hammer around.
I thought that was I busted outlaughing so hard I had to pause
it because I was laughing somuch.
(19:50):
That shit was so funny.
That's good.
Ryan (19:55):
Yeah, no, there was a lot of enjoyable.
So what is your?
What's your initial enlightenedthought now that it's all
starting to hit you?
You soaked in the movie, yousoaked in the cannabis.
What's coming to you?
James (20:10):
My initial thoughts of this movie are more this movie
didn't make me think, whichwhich I don't know if that's a
bad thing to say or not, but itdidn't.
I felt like it didn't reallymake me think that much in a
good way.
So I think when we talk aboutmovies we're kind of like this
movie didn't make me think itwas empty, you know, or this
(20:33):
movie didn't challenge me in anyway and therefore it's not a
good movie, as we fall into thatkind of trap.
But there are movies that don'tmake you think that are all so
good Beavis.
Ryan (20:46):
About Hadoo America yeah.
James (20:48):
Yeah, that movie is Beavis About Hadoo America.
I've watched it as an adult andthat movie holds up.
It is so funny.
Ryan (20:59):
It is so funny.
James (21:02):
And it doesn't say the things that says are not like,
against any kind of like ofmodern attitudes.
No, you never hit that.
What it does is it lampoonslike the reality of those
situations and I think that thismovie similarly makes you not
(21:24):
really think that much.
But also the motion, the pacing, all of it's really enjoyable
and I think my biggest highthought is that it comes down to
how movies are made today.
It's like modern filmmaking,especially with action,
filmmaking that engages audience, keeps motion, doesn't make you
(21:44):
think but still leaves you withan enjoyable feeling and I
think, that this did it moretimes than not.
Ryan (21:52):
Yeah, it was times where it didn't do.
James (21:54):
It was where it was slow and there was an action and they
weren't letting them go.
Comedic.
Ryan (22:01):
Yeah, that's, that's definitely a good point, and I
don't know why we mentioned it.
I mean, like, look guys, you'resitting, you're listening to a
drunken high podcast.
All right, we're going to be init, we're going to be in it.
We started talking about Beavisand Butter in the middle of it,
but I guess one of the thingsthat this movie reminds us of
(22:23):
other games.
James (22:24):
They're good movies.
That's the thing, yeah, yeah.
Ryan (22:27):
I mean, obviously, beavis and Butter in New America was,
you know, masterpiece of ourgeneration.
And well, that now Mike Juggsjudges Gen X, so of the previous
generation, and it's one of theonly good things they did after
Fight Club.
And sorry, gen X.
I would say there was a fewmoments in there where I mean,
(22:50):
like Trudy, the little girl inthe movie, she keeps talking
about how to Santa, to sort ofget him back to who he was, to
use his dark side to do good,and I was wondering like, well,
what's the statement there?
Is this, is this movie forsoldiers?
What are they trying to say?
James (23:08):
I think.
I think what they're trying tosay is violence should be stoked
in men for for for themfulfilling their role as
protectors.
Ryan (23:18):
Is that what it was?
Is that what it's supposed tobe?
I think so.
I think so, well, I mean, butTrudy was doing some dark shit
and I did love.
I did love that part where theissue is talking about home
alone and they showed us howfucking brutal those traps that
Kevin McAllister would actuallybe Right.
Oh yeah, no, go fall wildlydown some stairs on this nails,
(23:43):
right, you don't just get a pokein the butt and run out the
door yelling.
No, you see some shit.
James (23:51):
Things get nasty and it was funny.
Ryan (23:54):
Yeah, and they still made it funny.
They still made it funny.
So, but yeah, trudy was doingsome violence too.
Some very sinister violence,and it's interesting.
James (24:06):
That's interesting.
Ryan (24:07):
So I don't know, I don't know what the message they were
trying to convey there was.
James (24:13):
What about the?
What about the burning themoney Like I didn't understand.
Yeah.
Ryan (24:20):
And that didn't even turn out to be what did it?
James (24:24):
I know, right, and it's like burning money doesn't make
you like a good person, like, atleast give us a share or
something, while you're doing ashow that money is absolutely
worthless to you.
Ryan (24:36):
Yeah, that was, and you hear me he's like we got to get
him closer to the fire and theynever got close to just tender.
James (24:43):
There's hey.
You took the money out of hey.
Ryan (24:47):
That would have gone up like just fucking flash paper.
And oh, and that makes it evenworse, because we know that the
money was there, because grandmawas paid to distribute it
throughout Middle Easternterrorist groups, right and oil
magnets and she gets to be likeyay Christmas.
(25:11):
Yeah, so what the hell?
And I don't imagine beingbrought up in this environment
like she's great right now bysome fluke of just the right
amount of good parenting andneglect that she's good right
now.
James (25:31):
But that she knows to do violence for good.
Ryan (25:36):
But eventually, you know it's going to go the other way
and I don't.
I don't imagine Trudy's goingto be a good person.
You know 10 years.
Oh, if we see violent, likeviolent night to you know, and
grandma was.
Finally, like you know, I likethe cut of your jib.
Trudy, you're going to becomethe next to me and Trudy's going
(25:57):
to be like a red hood, yeah,yeah, and I'm spinning one of
those curved daggers on the tipof her finger every time she's
in a boardroom meeting, you know, and she's like just fucking
guts, a dude who doesn't agreewith the direction of the
company, and then Santa has touse violence.
James (26:16):
You think she's going to be like a Lucy Lou and kill Bill
?
Ryan (26:19):
Yeah, yeah, I see that you know, because she has that sort
of reserved side to her andit'll just be a scene in violent
night to where she fillets adude from his anus.
James (26:36):
You know I'm being nice, I'm being considered as me being
nice.
Ryan (26:41):
I didn't say ass, just fucking fillets this dude in a
boardroom.
So yeah, I see that and youknow she'll kill rich, rich
people via ingenious traps.
James (26:54):
And, yes, this one from Santa Claus.
Ryan (26:58):
And you, just as you're being grabbed, what You're crazy
?
You're fucking crazy.
So I see that for violent nightto which, if I'm not mistaken,
just when I had briefly glancedat this to talk about it today,
(27:21):
I think they are green lighting.
Oh yeah, so yeah, as of August9 of this year well, I guess
it's going to be last year whenyou guys hear this.
So violent night to gets apromising update from David
Harbor.
And they're talking aboutintroducing iconic elements like
the elves and Mrs Claus intoviolent night, to things that
(27:45):
were just sort of mentioned inthe first one.
James (27:47):
So they have to ruin everything that we do well, we
have, oh yeah.
Why do we have to expand on thelower?
That's what I really lovedabout this movie.
I love sitting back andpondering the lower.
Oh, what in the world?
Who could be?
Who could Mrs Claus be?
(28:08):
How are they?
Ryan (28:10):
dealing with marital troubles, like what was good?
Yeah, like just let me wonder,let me wonder.
And he wasn't Saint Nicholas.
Until later we learned that hewas Nicomond the Red and the
Viking era and stuff like that.
James (28:24):
And they didn't go deep into that mystery.
I'm afraid of the big mystery.
Ryan (28:27):
Yeah, you know, it's even wilder.
So this movie, much smallerbudget, much, you know, it's
just going to be fun.
Better writing than ZackSnyder's new Rebel Moon.
James (28:40):
Oh, oh.
Can we compare a scene reallyquick?
Can I make a quick comparison?
Ryan (28:45):
Okay, please.
James (28:47):
So in this movie this is what I call good filmmaking is
that in this movie, the way welearn he's a Viking is that in
his times of trauma he's gettinglike flashbacks to his previous
life.
And you see, you see it justkind of close up on his face
where he's wearing this, you cantell it's kind of a Viking
helmet, he's got blood, he's gotthis thousand yard stare right.
(29:11):
And that's how they startconveying this to us that in his
previous life he did violenceand he is.
It was, it's something thatused to be a part of him.
It had deeply affected him andand we gain it with visuals over
time, and then, when it's timefor him to for for when these
(29:32):
images have given us atantalizing idea of what it
could possibly mean, and onlythen does he reveal a small
portion with, with, with theseother things that have coalesced
in the background.
Yeah, yeah.
When you meet the guy, he justsays used to be a Viking and at
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some point I became Santa Claus,and I don't understand.
I never really understoodwhat's going on.
I use a hammer.
I got this power that lets mego up a chimney.
If I touch my nose, thereindeer, you know they're out
there somewhere.
All right, let's go on to thenext spot.
Ryan (30:16):
That's the difference between a good movie and a bad
movie For sure.
Yeah, no, if it was so like I'mgoing to try my best, go ahead.
If it was written by those guysand if it was done by Zack
Snyder, in Violent Nighty passesout, we see an image of him as
a Viking.
The audience is like whoa,what's that about?
Let's go it up.
(30:37):
If we flipped it and it wasthen a project done by Zack
Snyder, he would have passed outand he says I make him on the
red.
Once, a fierce Viking known formy daring exploits, processing,
found my destiny transformed ina way I've never imagined my
journey from a life of conquest,and it would have gone on for
20 fucking minutes and then hedies, and then we follow a
(31:01):
different character.
Oh my God.
And I will also like to saythat I, you know, in our Rebel
Moon, in this not bash on RebelMoon podcast, in our Rebel Moon,
in our Rebel Moon episode Imentioned the visuals were kind
(31:23):
of cool but they were kind ofstale.
You know, we saw it all in the300.
I've seen all those visualsbefore in the 300.
And again in the Amazon sceneduring the Snyder cut of Justice
League.
So I've seen them before.
I preferred Santa VioletKnights visuals.
They were very like JohnWickian.
(31:44):
I almost wanted to.
They were updated.
They were fresh.
James (31:47):
They were John Wick and they absolutely were John Wick
and they were like close ups.
They were close ups and midshots where a lot of a lot of
the Rebel Moon was long shots toshow the landscape.
I'm sorry, huge wide shots,sorry.
So there were huge wide shotsto show the landscape and stuff
and it made everything justkinda everything was in like the
(32:09):
same tone, it was samey, samey,but these ones were like close
ups on people and action andmovement and definitely the
Hinchmen went to the fuckingJohn Wick School of Hinchmenry
where they took their guns andrun face first into a
sledgehammer.
(32:31):
One guy didn't even load his gunbefore the fight.
They had him loading his gun ashe fucking.
Oh, I gotta load my gun beforehe gets to me.
I haven't shot a single bullet.
Ryan (32:42):
But the way they did it was fun.
It was fast too.
Like, literally, you count someof the slow-mo, the slow-down
sequences in Rebel Moon and youcould one Mississippi, two
Mississippi, three Mississippi,as the single hit is passing by
and the whole shot is justdedicated to back muscles and I
(33:04):
didn't care for it.
Yeah, so, by the way, you don'tcare for Rebel Moon.
James (33:09):
So you know we say this isn't to Rebel Moon cast and
stuff, but like I feel like it'sgonna be affecting how we think
about movies going forward.
Like Zack Snyder did an amazingjob laying out what not to do
with a movie, like how to do amovie wrong that we're gonna be
using it as a comparison point alot.
Yeah it's gonna happen a lotnow.
Ryan (33:31):
And I think I just read an interview from him I think it
was Vanity Fair where he statedthat I was trying to show people
what not to do.
James (33:41):
Is it true?
Is that true?
No, you did that.
That would be amazing.
That would be amazing.
Ryan (33:50):
But yeah, I was trying to show people what not to do.
I was getting so fucking sickof seeing shit on TV that you
shouldn't do, oh my.
James (33:58):
God, it's a manual that would mind fuck me so hard, yeah
, also really quick.
John Leguzamo was not good atthis.
He was not a good actor in this.
Ryan (34:15):
I was.
James (34:17):
He was not terrifying.
Ryan (34:19):
I was confused by the whole thing.
I was confused by it.
I did.
James (34:25):
He's lost his edge.
He's no longer a killer clown,he's an old man.
Ryan (34:31):
Well, I don't know.
I wasn't able to really formone because there were parts
where I enjoyed it.
I did love one.
I did like one of his lineswhere one of his henchmen was
like about to say can he reallybe the real Santa Claus?
And he responds by saying look,I know you're an idiot, don't
say it out loud.
James (34:51):
I thought that was very funny, yeah, so I did enjoy that
.
Ryan (34:54):
I did enjoy that, so not all bad on his part.
But that being said so, it'stime to move into our third
portion.
James (35:04):
The one henchman who was like also he might be the real
Santa Claus when they weretelling the kill team.
I thought that was also veryfunny.
What the fuck did she just say?
Ryan (35:17):
He might be the real Santa Claus.
That was pretty good too.
So we're moving on to the thirdpart here.
It's now for our what if?
Scenario, where we are going toinsert whatever we wanted this
film, whether it's we're goingto put in weed and alcohol,
whether we're going to putourselves in or whether we're
going to just put ourselvesbehind the director's chair.
What if, james, you're incontrol?
(35:39):
What are you going to adjust?
What are you going to change?
What are you going to do here?
What happens if you're sittingthere?
Instead, you became Santa Claus.
James (35:48):
If I became Santa Claus, well, and you get die-hearted I
think I would be less confused.
So, so weirdly, in this movie,this Santa Claus knows how to
drive a snowmobile but doesn'tknow how to use a gun, which is
objectively a much olderinvention.
Ryan (36:09):
Like he, oh, yeah, yeah, and he keeps calling them gizmos
.
James (36:12):
You're right, yeah, it's like that that invention's like
400 years old and a snowmobileis like 50 years old.
Ryan (36:23):
Well, but it is.
However, it's within hispurview of snow and winter
wonderlands Of snow?
James (36:30):
That is true he has.
He doesn't know how the powerswork.
I get it, Got it.
Ryan (36:34):
Yeah.
James (36:37):
I think in this situation , god I would.
I would have to be, I'd besmoking the whole time,
obviously.
Oh what the fuck's going on?
Whoa this rich people get shot,whoa, what, what.
But at the end I woulddefinitely tell Santa Claus to
be like.
These people are fuckingmonsters and they caused way
(36:59):
more death than these, than thecollective group.
You just sledgehammer.
Ryan (37:03):
So he would be a high elf that came along with him.
James (37:08):
Yeah, I'd be like man.
These people are way worse.
Did you check the list to seeif they're nice or not?
You didn't even check, did you?
You checked for all those guys?
Ryan (37:20):
You didn't check for the family.
Yeah, that's a good point,though they never open up the
list on anyone but Trudy and thebad guys Like the.
Yeah, the distinct.
James (37:32):
That's a good point, that's so important Cause that
that wouldn't be great, would it?
Ryan (37:38):
No, that would be a really bad list.
Yeah, for me I would insertmyself.
So you're like this little highelf that fell into the toy sack
before.
James (37:50):
Santa left.
What the fuck about these guys?
What about these rich pieces ofshit?
Ryan (37:56):
I would want to show up like as the action's going down.
I'd want to show up as Krampus.
James (38:03):
You'd insert Krampus into this movie.
Ryan (38:06):
I would insert myself as Krampus and I would just bust
out my branch of birch and juststart beating the fuck out of
his family.
James (38:23):
Yeah, I would just start.
Ryan (38:24):
Yeah, it would be nonstop punishment.
And so like I would want thescene where, you know, like
there's a few times where he's alittle wounded beyond repair
and but then one he decides tocall in Krampus, and Krampus
comes down and just fuckingreigns Christmas justice, wipes
(38:45):
through the SWAT team, all thatkind of stuff, beating them with
chains and shit, dragging themto hell, and then Santa's like
okay, cool, thanks for helpingus.
They all believe in me now, butKrampus is too late, he's been
unleashed and he just startsbeating ass through the rest of
that mansion.
Yeah, so Charity watches likegrandma get dragged to hell you
(39:10):
know her dad and mom had justmade up and like, oh, I'm not
finished with you yet and I juststart beating the fuck out of
her father.
Yeah, and that's how I wouldinsert myself into this film.
Would be definitely theavenging angel of Christmas
cheer.
James (39:29):
You could also be the avenging angel of all of those
fucking servants who were justdoing their jobs.
Ryan (39:35):
Oh, my God.
James (39:36):
Who got murdered for no reason, like just a bunch of
poor workers to this fucking Godawful family on Christmas day
or whatever, instead of beingwith their families.
Ryan (39:51):
Oh my God, yeah they're stuck and they're already
miserable.
James (39:55):
and these filmmakers like ?
I guess we'll put you out ofhere, mr Krampus.
Ryan (39:59):
That reminds me of Al.
Another which I'm justrealizing now is another
reference to Die Hard.
The other black man you see isnamed Al, who was the patrol cop
that helped him in the firstDie Hard, but he got shot
immediately.
Well, the first thing he saysto them is like I wish I didn't
have to work on Christmas Eveand they're all just like but
(40:20):
you do, thanks, al, bye, andyou're just like OK, cool, right
on Al.
James (40:28):
Thanks for hustling Al.
Thanks for grinding on theirholiday.
Ryan (40:34):
And then he just gets his brains blown out.
And yeah, that was it.
James (40:38):
Yeah, and I would also is that is that trying to say
don't give up your lives to workon your holidays for your rich
piece of shit?
Ryan (40:45):
boss.
Is that the message I mean?
That could be a way of sayingdon't be Al, quit your job, get
out of it.
Maybe, maybe.
But yeah, I would also say thatI end my crampus reign of
terror when Trudy thinks it'sall over and by lifting birch
(41:05):
root and putting into my sack ofother children.
James (41:11):
Yard buddy, I'm getting kidnapped by a crampus right now
.
This fucking is bullshit.
Ryan (41:20):
Yeah and just yeah, and then just vanish into the
shadows with him in my new sack.
Yes, I would do that.
Yeah, that would be my, myaddition, for sure.
James (41:32):
That's perfect yeah.
I really, I really don't knowwhat I could change about this
movie.
Ryan (41:40):
I just want to say it was a good movie.
James (41:42):
It was really except for the love thing, god, that was so
that there.
That's why this is like not aperfect movie is that it just
made some poor decisions when itcame to plant and pay off.
Some plants didn't pay off.
There are some paths that hadno plant and that's where that's
where it fell flat.
But overall, pretty good movie.
Ryan (42:04):
Yeah, no, and I have to.
I have to agree with youentirely.
I'm like I said, I'm not a I'mnot a big Christmas movie fan
and this, but so take it forwhat you will, but it definitely
moved up towards the top threeof my favorite Christmas movies,
behind my Christmas Carol, ofcourse.
James (42:23):
Do you have any?
Do you have any quotes that youreally like?
Because I actually do have somequotes that I like from the
movie.
Well, please, that I don't knowif they were in the trailer.
Well, I actually didn't watch atrailer for this movie because
I didn't want to know.
I've started to not liketrailers so I avoid them.
But, but they, but we've got togive them their loves.
(42:43):
The girl, the girl, their love.
What is this Love so cool?
That's good.
Of course there was the shoveit up their anus.
Ryan (42:54):
Yeah, a lot of lines.
James (42:56):
Yep, the.
These were like.
All these three lines were likeright in a row and I assume
they made the trailer andthere's a Santa's going to eat
through these guys like a plateof cookies.
All very great lines.
Ryan (43:11):
Yeah, no, my favorite one is definitely that one Like look
, I know you're an idiot Don'tbe an idiot out loud.
I can't.
I can't tell you how many timesI like he and that's probably
why I didn't mind Liguizamo andthat just because that line I
felt that every day I have evergone into work, ever when it
(43:32):
comes to just dealing withthings, so I definitely
appreciated that.
So, yeah, so some great linesin this great film overall.
A few kind of just weird things.
But I mean, it's a fuckingChristmas movie about Santa with
a sledgehammer.
James (43:48):
One of the scenes with the sledgehammer, like they did
it.
They did a thing where theyfollowed a twirling sledgehammer
through the air, but it wasjust kind of like.
It was just kind of like a flatshot of the twirling
sledgehammer.
I was like at that, at that, atthat one, I was like that was a
little.
I didn't feel like the rest ofthe movie matched that.
That's why I think I don'tthink that was wrong, but I
(44:11):
think the other parts were alittle.
I think there are certain partsthat were a little too serious
and if they, if those parts havebeen less serious, then then
follow, then following thehammer through the air, just
just spinning right in centerscreen.
Right, that's very funny, and Iwould have even said if they
had made the rest of the moviejust a little more like silly
and surreal instead of like,instead of like sometimes
(44:34):
serious.
I think we, I think we couldhave let that hammer spin for
two, maybe three seconds Thenhad it in a guy and then, and
that that's what I was lookingfor.
It's just a little more and thenit would have been a perfect
movie.
Ryan (44:49):
Well, had they have done that, though, it would have
started to look like Rebel Moon,and I don't think that's what
they're going for.
James (44:58):
The grenade that took just too long to explode.
That also would have been goodif it was, if it was funnier, if
the whole movie was funnier, ifit was like more comedic, I
think those bits would havelanded better for me.
I wanted them to land, but itjust wasn't.
It wasn't overall silly enough.
Ryan (45:15):
It needed more Well well with that, it took like 10
seconds.
Well, he's got to stop andwatch it.
Well, with that being said sothere is violent night.
Thank you everyone so much forlistening to this.
We're high and dry podcast.
Please join us.
We got in coming up.
I'm sure you've guessed by now.
We have our Rebel Moon episodecoming up next.
James (45:39):
After that what you think about it.
Ryan (45:42):
Yeah, yes, the spoilers, we didn't much care for it.
Yes, after that.
So Rebel Moon.
After that, we're going to bedoing the original dunes, and
what was the last one we alreadydid?
What was the alien?
Of course we're.
We're going to take on Ash.
We're going to get him in theshowers and really tell him what
we think about him.
So there you have it, folks.
(46:04):
Thanks for listening.
Bye.
James (46:07):
Merry Christmas Bye.
Hey everybody, welcome to high and dry podcast, the only
podcast keeping alive the fandomof Dark Angel Jessica Alba.
I'm close to Ryan Baron, northwith me, as always.
James Croslin, james, how's itgoing?
They can adjust the gal by now,oh.
James (00:16):
Yeah, jessica Alba.
It launched her career of beingthe hottest woman in television
for like 15 years.
Ryan (00:25):
What she?
What happened to this?
James (00:27):
album?
I Don't know, I have no idea.
I don't think she's aparticularly good actress, so I
think that that probably startedto weigh her down, as as
Hollywood was like near 30 now.
She was like there were likealright, can you act?
And she's like not really.
(00:48):
Goodbye Show.
Learn to act, damn it.
Ryan (00:56):
It was who's the other, the one that sort of time forgot
Jennifer love Hewitt.
She also vanished in that samesort of time period, right there
.
James (01:08):
She was on a.
She was on a show where she wasa medium.
She was like a ghost Was it, itmedium.
No, was it just medium?
I thought it was something muchdumber.
Hold on, jennifer, love I.
Ryan (01:26):
Are ghosts.
I don't remember it was ghostsomething.
It was Something.
I was a ghost whisper.
James (01:33):
I think it might be ghost whisper Hilarious.
It was a such a bad show.
Anyway, I don't think we'rehere to talk about.
Ryan (01:46):
We're here to talk about Dark Angel, so for those of you
joining, there were.
James (01:51):
There were a hundred and seven episodes of ghost whisper.
Ryan (01:56):
Well, someone liked it, so I'm glad they're getting these
references.
So, hey, for those of you whojoin us for the first time,
welcome.
For those of you who've beenhere before, welcome back.
We've been in on sort of abreak for a little while now.
Merry Christmas, happy holidaysto everyone out there.
On our first episode of the newwave that is high and dry,
(02:18):
where a podcast talks aboutphilosophy, pop culture, all
those sorts of fun things, andwe're kind of changing it up a
little bit now we're gonna belooking today at the film
vicious night, our Santa Clausfilm.
We decided we're gonna dosomething a little Christmasy
for all you guys.
James (02:34):
It's a violent night I.
Ryan (02:38):
Don't know why I think it that mixed up we've been.
We've done three of these showsin a row now and I think I'm
just still a little need-braided.
So I got to get the titlerights of violent night.
We're gonna be doing violentnight, our Santa film this today
, and we're gonna break it downa little bit.
We're gonna get into some soberthoughts, we're gonna then go
into some enlightened thoughtsand then we're gonna do a few
what-ifs.
But how we're gonna get intothose enlightened thoughts is
(03:00):
that we're gonna get a littledrunk and we're gonna get a
little high.
So, james, what are you smokingthis week?
James (03:06):
I'm smoking a very heavy indica called Cush Mountain,
because I need to bedesensitized from all of this
violence or viciousness, as you.
Ryan (03:23):
Yep, the family's gathering around the fire to
watch all this viciousness.
Lovely, lovely, and I'll bejoining you with a Redwood
Empire.
It's my, it's my weekend poor,you know a little special
occasions.
It's our first episode backhere, sort of the first episode
back.
We did a few bit.
This will be our first one toair, so I felt we got some in
(03:45):
the tank.
Yeah, we got some in the tanknow, but yeah, I'm gonna drink
my special little Redwood Empire.
It's a hundred horsepower, it'sgonna get the job done.
Can you give me where I need tobe so?
The first one goes to violentnight Cheers.
James (04:01):
Cheers.
I'm supposed to do it, aren't I?
Oh yeah, that smooth tasteslike the mountains.
Ryan (04:15):
Love low, speaking of mountains.
So it is Christmas.
I got these new whiskey glassesthat have Mount Everest in the
crystal Right at the bottom,right there and you put them in
the freezer and it instantlycools your whiskey as it hits.
It's very good.
James (04:34):
Very good yeah, taking a little bit of adventure on every
drunken escapade, that's right,it's like I'm standing on the
pole of Everest.
Ryan (04:50):
So what's our, what's our second shot?
To what are we doing this?
James (04:53):
Yeah, I mean, I think we definitely have to Do a toast to
Jessica Alba.
Yes yes, the star of you knowthe hits like good luck, chuck,
and the love guru.
Ah yes, little Fockers, oh boy,spy kids for.
Ryan (05:22):
It wasn't her fault at all .
It was a series of writers andbad decisions.
Are you telling me that?
James (05:29):
are you telling me the entourage movie wasn't her
pinnacle and a beloved franchisethat continues to to Merge the
pop culture with with drama.
Ryan (05:44):
All I all.
The only thing that Fuckingentourage makes me think is how
upset I was to find out thatJeremy Piven will have to open
our Alligation cyclopedia toreally see break it down what he
did.
But didn't we learn that he wasa bit of a dick bag?
James (06:02):
I Don't know, but he always plays a dick bag.
I wouldn't be surprised if he'sjust hoping it was an act he
might.
He might just be a bad actorand be a dick bag, and so it's
very easy, that's very goodthing, I've, never I've never
seen him do anything else.
Ryan (06:20):
No well.
I mean he was in.
Well, here's to Jessica.
For those of you who arecurious, who like to imbibe with
whiskey, the Redwood Empirekicks like a mule, but it's got
(06:43):
a wonderful cherry flavor.
Really, really enjoy.
James (06:49):
My, that's awesome.
I like whiskey from time totime.
My weed has really fire flavor.
It tastes like smoke and ashes.
Ryan (07:01):
I think something is around with your bite.
James (07:04):
Yeah, I need to clean it out.
But Kush Mountain is usuallyreally good, tastes like floral.
It's got real sedative effects,so this one I'm going to be
really chill.
Ryan (07:15):
Okay, all right.
Yeah, I don't remember how Iwas on the Redwood Empire last
time, but we're going to findout.
I think that's an indicator ofits own.
So here's the third one.
Here's to coming back as highand dry, working with friends,
and happy holidays everybody.
James (07:32):
Yeah, and also innovating , much like the movie Entourage.
Ryan (07:38):
Featuring Jessica Alba and Jeremy Piven.
We all have to consult ourallegation cyclopedia.
Yeah.
James (07:52):
I wonder what.
I wonder what allegationsJessica Alba has against her.
Ryan (07:57):
Oh well, a lot, a lot, without a doubt.
I know she's listening rightnow, very upset.
James (08:05):
Thank you.
Ryan (08:07):
This is by far her least favorite episode of high and dry
that.
James (08:11):
Jessica Alba's ever listened to.
All of the allegations are justthat she makes bad decisions
about movie.
Ryan (08:18):
Yeah, pretty much, yeah, yeah.
Meanwhile, Piven faced severalallegations of sexual assault
and misconduct which surfacedbetween 2017 and 2018.
Multiple women God damn itPiven.
Ah, classic Fucking Piven.
All right, you piece of shit.
Well, it's time to get into it.
So tonight we're talking aboutViolent Night.
(08:39):
We're doing our little holidayepisode there.
We're going to break it down inthree ways for you.
Our sober thoughts areenlightened thoughts and a what
if?
Scenario.
So let's start with those soberthoughts before that Redwood
Empire makes it to mybloodstream.
James, what were your thoughtson the film Violent Night?
James (08:56):
I thought this film was.
I thought it was good.
I think the question mark, Ithink that my I left this movie
feeling mostly positive about it.
I think that it was.
I think it could have beenbetter.
I think a lot of movies couldbe better, obviously yeah, but
(09:21):
for what it was it was enjoyable.
There are a few things thatdefinitely got me.
I don't want to throw up all mylines really quick, but a few
of them that got me was likewhen it oscillated between, like
the goriness and the silliness,when she, when she, when he,
when he pulls his, his specialhammer out of the sleigh and she
(09:43):
goes skull crusher, the girlexactly says skull crusher.
That really worked for me.
That was pretty good.
Okay, yeah, so.
So I like the oscillation.
I thought sometimes it wasclumsy, but more often than not
it left me with this, with avery, you know happy feeling.
(10:04):
How about you?
Ryan (10:06):
Well, so for me, first, I want to say that there's an
episode coming where we will bediscussing Rebel Moon, directed
by Zack Snyder, and after thatepisode a lot of people are
going to say, oh, they justtrash movies.
No, we just trash bad movies,point in case.
Let's talk about Violet Knight.
(10:26):
I had a lot of good to say.
There's a lot of good to sayabout this movie.
I think there was a lot ofgreat things to say about it.
I thought that David HarbourI've become a fan of David
Harbour.
I just love seeing actors sortof appear when they're middle
aged.
You know just, he's a walkingreminder that you don't have to
(10:49):
let your dreams die.
You can do this after you'vegotten, you know, a little up
there.
But I love everything he does.
He just brings a great energyto everything.
What I enjoyed particularlyabout this movie was I liked the
liberties they took with Santa.
I enjoyed that he was a Viking,that he was an ex-Viking.
James (11:14):
Spoilers, I guess.
But if you, don't know thatwe're going to talk about the
fucking movie.
Ryan (11:20):
What am I supposed to do?
Yeah, I loved the libertiesthey took with Santa.
I loved a lot of the messagesthat went forward.
It could have just been that Ihad been drinking all day.
At that point I was touched.
I enjoyed it and I loved themusic.
I thought they picked greatsongs for the scenes of Gatuit's
(11:44):
violence.
James (11:45):
I yeah, I didn't notice them.
I might need to re-watch.
I'd be willing to re-watch thismovie, to check out some of the
, to pay attention to that pointbecause I kind of missed it.
Ryan (11:58):
Really yeah.
So especially when he's sort ofdusted off the cobwebs of the
things holding him back and hejust goes ham with the
sledgehammer he finds and wipesout like a SWAT team.
Essentially they picked a greatsong for it.
I was really getting into it.
I was enjoying the hell out ofit.
James (12:20):
Well, I didn't notice the music, but sometimes that's a
good thing If it's just like, ifit fits so well, you're not
like that didn't work orsomething like that.
If sometimes most of the thingswe talk about when we say this
is a good movie are things thatare unnoticed, it's little
things that are done that youdon't really pick up on.
That make a movie good.
(12:40):
Good transitions where theywhere motion is maintained,
keeping the story in plot anddialogue moving, those are
things that you don't reallynotice much and same with score.
It's like an amplifier forwhat's occurring on screen and
it's great that you noticed itand we're able to bring that to
the table.
I didn't notice it all, I wasjust.
(13:01):
For me it just flowed reallywell.
Ryan (13:04):
And so for me personally, I sort of view the world and my
writing and everything like thatjust through a lens of the song
that accompanies it.
So it's just a more natural wayfor me to sort of think.
So I will always notice whatthey chose to play at the time,
and for this one I enjoyed thehell out of it, I really did
(13:25):
Even as not particularly a hugefan of Christmas James.
I enjoyed these Christmas James.
James (13:31):
So what we still?
So I turned it on its head,right yeah.
Ryan (13:35):
Well, while we have a couple of minutes left of our
sober thoughts, I feel mine arevast.
I quickly running away from it.
It's that record empire.
Is there anything that youdidn't really appreciate,
anything that you didn't carefor?
James (13:47):
I thought that sometimes the movie forgot that it was
campy.
It really it should have.
In some places it took itselftoo seriously again, we also had
a lot of unearned characterredemption.
Like the dad, I hated the dadoh yeah, and he just, he got
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everything back.
Ryan (14:12):
He got everything back.
Christmas magic For doingnothing.
James (14:15):
For doing nothing.
Ryan (14:17):
For actually being a bad dude For committing robbery.
James (14:19):
For actually being a real piece of shit.
Yeah, and the boy Bertrand, andBertrand, bertrand, bertrand,
bertrand, bertrand.
And his mom.
That was good.
They're terrible, and at theend of the movie they're just
like oh, everything's great,again it's like no.
(14:41):
Those people tried to get theirblack in-law relative woman
murdered.
Are you telling me that that'sjust a coincidence, that these
people immediately you shouldtake the black woman.
It was very obvious to me andthey're terrible fucking people.
No, they're all terrible.
(15:02):
Santa should have thensledgehammered them, and all in
the heads, and it would havebeen a better end.
Ryan (15:10):
Well, to a point on that.
So I do enjoy the genre.
Well, there's only about twothat I could think about from my
head, but I enjoy the genre ofa normal, regular person who
appreciates life and hasn't beencompletely poisoned by greed
and money, marrying into afamily like this and it becomes
a comedy horror.
(15:31):
The other one I could think ofwas when this young woman she
marries into a very rich toyfamily they made their entire
money.
They were essentially like anevil hasbro, I guess and she
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marries it.
I'm going to have to find that,I'll find it eventually.
I don't have that Joe Rogan guywe were talking about, but in
that movie spoiler alert, by theway, if you haven't seen this
movie, I can't think of thetitle of at the end, her entire
new in-law family explodes Likethey, each one individually,
(16:13):
explodes from this ghost's curse, and so I like to see that sort
of come up and that, yeah,you're right, you're right, that
didn't happen in Violent Night.
They didn't get their come up.
No one really seemed to acceptthe poor kid who circumstance
(16:34):
turned him into an evilmercenary who hates Christmas.
James (16:39):
Also the guy who's an idiot and who's like a male
model, like he doesn't seemparticularly evil, he just seems
like an idiot and he gotmurdered.
He got his comeuppance.
Ryan (16:55):
Yeah, yeah, and he was a little fast too.
I guess that was instant.
James (16:59):
Yeah.
So that's where I felt themovie Miss the Mark.
I miss the mark in a few places.
I don't feel like that guyshould have gotten his wife and
daughter back.
That daughter's wish wasgranted, but essentially she's
going to be living in a brokenhome because her parents are
back together instead of likemoving forward and learning how
to cope.
Ryan (17:20):
And be better people in general.
James (17:21):
Yeah.
Ryan (17:22):
And the movie I was thinking of was Ready or Not.
It was Ready or Not.
James (17:26):
I see, yeah, I do like horrors where a normal person
marries into a crazy, like arich family that has no morals.
That also happens in Fall ofthe House of Usher, which I
haven't seen the last episode,so don't ruin it for me?
Ryan (17:41):
Okay, I will not, but if you like that, check out Ready
or Not, check it out.
I'm telling you you're going toenjoy that.
You're going to enjoy that alot, okay, well, so it's time to
move into our second portion.
Check out Ready or Not.
Second portion now it's time toget into our enlightened state,
where we've had a few now Icould definitely feel a bubbling
(18:01):
on through my head.
It's time for our final hit andshot.
It's time to talk about what weunderstand better about this
violent night.
I would say this one right herethis little final guy, I'd like
it to go to David Harper.
He makes everything that I seehim in much better.
(18:26):
I am a big fan of David Harper,so cheers, cheers.
James (18:31):
Cheers David Harper.
I got to say I hated him inseason three of Stranger Things,
Like he ruined that season forme.
But I think that's.
I think it's really importantto say that David Harper is
great at comedy and he should beused for comedy and let loose
on comedy a lot more often.
(18:52):
The best parts of this moviewere the comedic bit.
He was good at violence.
He was good at beingintimidating.
He's a giant man with like aperpetual dick face and he's
very funny.
In addition to that, the partsthat failed for me were where
they were like I don't know whatI'm doing, kid, Like it was a
(19:14):
diehard reference right, theeven say diehard in the movie.
Ryan (19:18):
Well, at one point he pulls out a diehard blu-ray from
his sack and I'm like oh, thatwas pretty good, that was a good
.
Oh yeah, we know what we'redoing.
This is Santa with diehard.
There it is for you.
James (19:29):
So they should have been funnier.
Though it should have beenfunnier, I feel like.
I feel like there were somereally funny bits, like when he
took, when he they did the 360of him like a martial artist
with twirling the hammer around.
I thought that was I busted outlaughing so hard I had to pause
it because I was laughing somuch.
(19:50):
That shit was so funny.
That's good.
Ryan (19:55):
Yeah, no, there was a lot of enjoyable.
So what is your?
What's your initial enlightenedthought now that it's all
starting to hit you?
You soaked in the movie, yousoaked in the cannabis.
What's coming to you?
James (20:10):
My initial thoughts of this movie are more this movie
didn't make me think, whichwhich I don't know if that's a
bad thing to say or not, but itdidn't.
I felt like it didn't reallymake me think that much in a
good way.
So I think when we talk aboutmovies we're kind of like this
movie didn't make me think itwas empty, you know, or this
(20:33):
movie didn't challenge me in anyway and therefore it's not a
good movie, as we fall into thatkind of trap.
But there are movies that don'tmake you think that are all so
good Beavis.
Ryan (20:46):
About Hadoo America yeah.
James (20:48):
Yeah, that movie is Beavis About Hadoo America.
I've watched it as an adult andthat movie holds up.
It is so funny.
Ryan (20:59):
It is so funny.
James (21:02):
And it doesn't say the things that says are not like,
against any kind of like ofmodern attitudes.
No, you never hit that.
What it does is it lampoonslike the reality of those
situations and I think that thismovie similarly makes you not
(21:24):
really think that much.
But also the motion, the pacing, all of it's really enjoyable
and I think my biggest highthought is that it comes down to
how movies are made today.
It's like modern filmmaking,especially with action,
filmmaking that engages audience, keeps motion, doesn't make you
(21:44):
think but still leaves you withan enjoyable feeling and I
think, that this did it moretimes than not.
Ryan (21:52):
Yeah, it was times where it didn't do.
James (21:54):
It was where it was slow and there was an action and they
weren't letting them go.
Comedic.
Ryan (22:01):
Yeah, that's, that's definitely a good point, and I
don't know why we mentioned it.
I mean, like, look guys, you'resitting, you're listening to a
drunken high podcast.
All right, we're going to be init, we're going to be in it.
We started talking about Beavisand Butter in the middle of it,
but I guess one of the thingsthat this movie reminds us of
(22:23):
other games.
James (22:24):
They're good movies.
That's the thing, yeah, yeah.
Ryan (22:27):
I mean, obviously, beavis and Butter in New America was,
you know, masterpiece of ourgeneration.
And well, that now Mike Juggsjudges Gen X, so of the previous
generation, and it's one of theonly good things they did after
Fight Club.
And sorry, gen X.
I would say there was a fewmoments in there where I mean,
(22:50):
like Trudy, the little girl inthe movie, she keeps talking
about how to Santa, to sort ofget him back to who he was, to
use his dark side to do good,and I was wondering like, well,
what's the statement there?
Is this, is this movie forsoldiers?
What are they trying to say?
James (23:08):
I think.
I think what they're trying tosay is violence should be stoked
in men for for for themfulfilling their role as
protectors.
Ryan (23:18):
Is that what it was?
Is that what it's supposed tobe?
I think so.
I think so, well, I mean, butTrudy was doing some dark shit
and I did love.
I did love that part where theissue is talking about home
alone and they showed us howfucking brutal those traps that
Kevin McAllister would actuallybe Right.
Oh yeah, no, go fall wildlydown some stairs on this nails,
(23:43):
right, you don't just get a pokein the butt and run out the
door yelling.
No, you see some shit.
James (23:51):
Things get nasty and it was funny.
Ryan (23:54):
Yeah, and they still made it funny.
They still made it funny.
So, but yeah, trudy was doingsome violence too.
Some very sinister violence,and it's interesting.
James (24:06):
That's interesting.
Ryan (24:07):
So I don't know, I don't know what the message they were
trying to convey there was.
James (24:13):
What about the?
What about the burning themoney Like I didn't understand.
Yeah.
Ryan (24:20):
And that didn't even turn out to be what did it?
James (24:24):
I know, right, and it's like burning money doesn't make
you like a good person, like, atleast give us a share or
something, while you're doing ashow that money is absolutely
worthless to you.
Ryan (24:36):
Yeah, that was, and you hear me he's like we got to get
him closer to the fire and theynever got close to just tender.
James (24:43):
There's hey.
You took the money out of hey.
Ryan (24:47):
That would have gone up like just fucking flash paper.
And oh, and that makes it evenworse, because we know that the
money was there, because grandmawas paid to distribute it
throughout Middle Easternterrorist groups, right and oil
magnets and she gets to be likeyay Christmas.
(25:11):
Yeah, so what the hell?
And I don't imagine beingbrought up in this environment
like she's great right now bysome fluke of just the right
amount of good parenting andneglect that she's good right
now.
James (25:31):
But that she knows to do violence for good.
Ryan (25:36):
But eventually, you know it's going to go the other way
and I don't.
I don't imagine Trudy's goingto be a good person.
You know 10 years.
Oh, if we see violent, likeviolent night to you know, and
grandma was.
Finally, like you know, I likethe cut of your jib.
Trudy, you're going to becomethe next to me and Trudy's going
(25:57):
to be like a red hood, yeah,yeah, and I'm spinning one of
those curved daggers on the tipof her finger every time she's
in a boardroom meeting, you know, and she's like just fucking
guts, a dude who doesn't agreewith the direction of the
company, and then Santa has touse violence.
James (26:16):
You think she's going to be like a Lucy Lou and kill Bill
?
Ryan (26:19):
Yeah, yeah, I see that you know, because she has that sort
of reserved side to her andit'll just be a scene in violent
night to where she fillets adude from his anus.
James (26:36):
You know I'm being nice, I'm being considered as me being
nice.
Ryan (26:41):
I didn't say ass, just fucking fillets this dude in a
boardroom.
So yeah, I see that and youknow she'll kill rich, rich
people via ingenious traps.
James (26:54):
And, yes, this one from Santa Claus.
Ryan (26:58):
And you, just as you're being grabbed, what You're crazy
?
You're fucking crazy.
So I see that for violent nightto which, if I'm not mistaken,
just when I had briefly glancedat this to talk about it today,
(27:21):
I think they are green lighting.
Oh yeah, so yeah, as of August9 of this year well, I guess
it's going to be last year whenyou guys hear this.
So violent night to gets apromising update from David
Harbor.
And they're talking aboutintroducing iconic elements like
the elves and Mrs Claus intoviolent night, to things that
(27:45):
were just sort of mentioned inthe first one.
James (27:47):
So they have to ruin everything that we do well, we
have, oh yeah.
Why do we have to expand on thelower?
That's what I really lovedabout this movie.
I love sitting back andpondering the lower.
Oh, what in the world?
Who could be?
Who could Mrs Claus be?
(28:08):
How are they?
Ryan (28:10):
dealing with marital troubles, like what was good?
Yeah, like just let me wonder,let me wonder.
And he wasn't Saint Nicholas.
Until later we learned that hewas Nicomond the Red and the
Viking era and stuff like that.
James (28:24):
And they didn't go deep into that mystery.
I'm afraid of the big mystery.
Ryan (28:27):
Yeah, you know, it's even wilder.
So this movie, much smallerbudget, much, you know, it's
just going to be fun.
Better writing than ZackSnyder's new Rebel Moon.
James (28:40):
Oh, oh.
Can we compare a scene reallyquick?
Can I make a quick comparison?
Ryan (28:45):
Okay, please.
James (28:47):
So in this movie this is what I call good filmmaking is
that in this movie, the way welearn he's a Viking is that in
his times of trauma he's gettinglike flashbacks to his previous
life.
And you see, you see it justkind of close up on his face
where he's wearing this, you cantell it's kind of a Viking
helmet, he's got blood, he's gotthis thousand yard stare right.
(29:11):
And that's how they startconveying this to us that in his
previous life he did violenceand he is.
It was, it's something thatused to be a part of him.
It had deeply affected him andand we gain it with visuals over
time, and then, when it's timefor him to for for when these
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images have given us atantalizing idea of what it
could possibly mean, and onlythen does he reveal a small
portion with, with, with theseother things that have coalesced
in the background.
Yeah, yeah.
When you meet the guy, he justsays used to be a Viking and at
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some point I became Santa Claus,and I don't understand.
I never really understoodwhat's going on.
I use a hammer.
I got this power that lets mego up a chimney.
If I touch my nose, thereindeer, you know they're out
there somewhere.
All right, let's go on to thenext spot.
Ryan (30:16):
That's the difference between a good movie and a bad
movie For sure.
Yeah, no, if it was so like I'mgoing to try my best, go ahead.
If it was written by those guysand if it was done by Zack
Snyder, in Violent Nighty passesout, we see an image of him as
a Viking.
The audience is like whoa,what's that about?
Let's go it up.
(30:37):
If we flipped it and it wasthen a project done by Zack
Snyder, he would have passed outand he says I make him on the
red.
Once, a fierce Viking known formy daring exploits, processing,
found my destiny transformed ina way I've never imagined my
journey from a life of conquest,and it would have gone on for
20 fucking minutes and then hedies, and then we follow a
(31:01):
different character.
Oh my God.
And I will also like to saythat I, you know, in our Rebel
Moon, in this not bash on RebelMoon podcast, in our Rebel Moon,
in our Rebel Moon episode Imentioned the visuals were kind
(31:23):
of cool but they were kind ofstale.
You know, we saw it all in the300.
I've seen all those visualsbefore in the 300.
And again in the Amazon sceneduring the Snyder cut of Justice
League.
So I've seen them before.
I preferred Santa VioletKnights visuals.
They were very like JohnWickian.
(31:44):
I almost wanted to.
They were updated.
They were fresh.
James (31:47):
They were John Wick and they absolutely were John Wick
and they were like close ups.
They were close ups and midshots where a lot of a lot of
the Rebel Moon was long shots toshow the landscape.
I'm sorry, huge wide shots,sorry.
So there were huge wide shotsto show the landscape and stuff
and it made everything justkinda everything was in like the
(32:09):
same tone, it was samey, samey,but these ones were like close
ups on people and action andmovement and definitely the
Hinchmen went to the fuckingJohn Wick School of Hinchmenry
where they took their guns andrun face first into a
sledgehammer.
(32:31):
One guy didn't even load his gunbefore the fight.
They had him loading his gun ashe fucking.
Oh, I gotta load my gun beforehe gets to me.
I haven't shot a single bullet.
Ryan (32:42):
But the way they did it was fun.
It was fast too.
Like, literally, you count someof the slow-mo, the slow-down
sequences in Rebel Moon and youcould one Mississippi, two
Mississippi, three Mississippi,as the single hit is passing by
and the whole shot is justdedicated to back muscles and I
(33:04):
didn't care for it.
Yeah, so, by the way, you don'tcare for Rebel Moon.
James (33:09):
So you know we say this isn't to Rebel Moon cast and
stuff, but like I feel like it'sgonna be affecting how we think
about movies going forward.
Like Zack Snyder did an amazingjob laying out what not to do
with a movie, like how to do amovie wrong that we're gonna be
using it as a comparison point alot.
Yeah it's gonna happen a lotnow.
Ryan (33:31):
And I think I just read an interview from him I think it
was Vanity Fair where he statedthat I was trying to show people
what not to do.
James (33:41):
Is it true?
Is that true?
No, you did that.
That would be amazing.
That would be amazing.
Ryan (33:50):
But yeah, I was trying to show people what not to do.
I was getting so fucking sickof seeing shit on TV that you
shouldn't do, oh my.
James (33:58):
God, it's a manual that would mind fuck me so hard, yeah
, also really quick.
John Leguzamo was not good atthis.
He was not a good actor in this.
Ryan (34:15):
I was.
James (34:17):
He was not terrifying.
Ryan (34:19):
I was confused by the whole thing.
I was confused by it.
I did.
James (34:25):
He's lost his edge.
He's no longer a killer clown,he's an old man.
Ryan (34:31):
Well, I don't know.
I wasn't able to really formone because there were parts
where I enjoyed it.
I did love one.
I did like one of his lineswhere one of his henchmen was
like about to say can he reallybe the real Santa Claus?
And he responds by saying look,I know you're an idiot, don't
say it out loud.
James (34:51):
I thought that was very funny, yeah, so I did enjoy that
.
Ryan (34:54):
I did enjoy that, so not all bad on his part.
But that being said so, it'stime to move into our third
portion.
James (35:04):
The one henchman who was like also he might be the real
Santa Claus when they weretelling the kill team.
I thought that was also veryfunny.
What the fuck did she just say?
Ryan (35:17):
He might be the real Santa Claus.
That was pretty good too.
So we're moving on to the thirdpart here.
It's now for our what if?
Scenario, where we are going toinsert whatever we wanted this
film, whether it's we're goingto put in weed and alcohol,
whether we're going to putourselves in or whether we're
going to just put ourselvesbehind the director's chair.
What if, james, you're incontrol?
(35:39):
What are you going to adjust?
What are you going to change?
What are you going to do here?
What happens if you're sittingthere?
Instead, you became Santa Claus.
James (35:48):
If I became Santa Claus, well, and you get die-hearted I
think I would be less confused.
So, so weirdly, in this movie,this Santa Claus knows how to
drive a snowmobile but doesn'tknow how to use a gun, which is
objectively a much olderinvention.
Ryan (36:09):
Like he, oh, yeah, yeah, and he keeps calling them gizmos
.
James (36:12):
You're right, yeah, it's like that that invention's like
400 years old and a snowmobileis like 50 years old.
Ryan (36:23):
Well, but it is.
However, it's within hispurview of snow and winter
wonderlands Of snow?
James (36:30):
That is true he has.
He doesn't know how the powerswork.
I get it, Got it.
Ryan (36:34):
Yeah.
James (36:37):
I think in this situation , god I would.
I would have to be, I'd besmoking the whole time,
obviously.
Oh what the fuck's going on?
Whoa this rich people get shot,whoa, what, what.
But at the end I woulddefinitely tell Santa Claus to
be like.
These people are fuckingmonsters and they caused way
(36:59):
more death than these, than thecollective group.
You just sledgehammer.
Ryan (37:03):
So he would be a high elf that came along with him.
James (37:08):
Yeah, I'd be like man.
These people are way worse.
Did you check the list to seeif they're nice or not?
You didn't even check, did you?
You checked for all those guys?
Ryan (37:20):
You didn't check for the family.
Yeah, that's a good point,though they never open up the
list on anyone but Trudy and thebad guys Like the.
Yeah, the distinct.
James (37:32):
That's a good point, that's so important Cause that
that wouldn't be great, would it?
Ryan (37:38):
No, that would be a really bad list.
Yeah, for me I would insertmyself.
So you're like this little highelf that fell into the toy sack
before.
James (37:50):
Santa left.
What the fuck about these guys?
What about these rich pieces ofshit?
Ryan (37:56):
I would want to show up like as the action's going down.
I'd want to show up as Krampus.
James (38:03):
You'd insert Krampus into this movie.
Ryan (38:06):
I would insert myself as Krampus and I would just bust
out my branch of birch and juststart beating the fuck out of
his family.
James (38:23):
Yeah, I would just start.
Ryan (38:24):
Yeah, it would be nonstop punishment.
And so like I would want thescene where, you know, like
there's a few times where he's alittle wounded beyond repair
and but then one he decides tocall in Krampus, and Krampus
comes down and just fuckingreigns Christmas justice, wipes
(38:45):
through the SWAT team, all thatkind of stuff, beating them with
chains and shit, dragging themto hell, and then Santa's like
okay, cool, thanks for helpingus.
They all believe in me now, butKrampus is too late, he's been
unleashed and he just startsbeating ass through the rest of
that mansion.
Yeah, so Charity watches likegrandma get dragged to hell you
(39:10):
know her dad and mom had justmade up and like, oh, I'm not
finished with you yet and I juststart beating the fuck out of
her father.
Yeah, and that's how I wouldinsert myself into this film.
Would be definitely theavenging angel of Christmas
cheer.
James (39:29):
You could also be the avenging angel of all of those
fucking servants who were justdoing their jobs.
Ryan (39:35):
Oh, my God.
James (39:36):
Who got murdered for no reason, like just a bunch of
poor workers to this fucking Godawful family on Christmas day
or whatever, instead of beingwith their families.
Ryan (39:51):
Oh my God, yeah they're stuck and they're already
miserable.
James (39:55):
and these filmmakers like ?
I guess we'll put you out ofhere, mr Krampus.
Ryan (39:59):
That reminds me of Al.
Another which I'm justrealizing now is another
reference to Die Hard.
The other black man you see isnamed Al, who was the patrol cop
that helped him in the firstDie Hard, but he got shot
immediately.
Well, the first thing he saysto them is like I wish I didn't
have to work on Christmas Eveand they're all just like but
(40:20):
you do, thanks, al, bye, andyou're just like OK, cool, right
on Al.
James (40:28):
Thanks for hustling Al.
Thanks for grinding on theirholiday.
Ryan (40:34):
And then he just gets his brains blown out.
And yeah, that was it.
James (40:38):
Yeah, and I would also is that is that trying to say
don't give up your lives to workon your holidays for your rich
piece of shit?
Ryan (40:45):
boss.
Is that the message I mean?
That could be a way of sayingdon't be Al, quit your job, get
out of it.
Maybe, maybe.
But yeah, I would also say thatI end my crampus reign of
terror when Trudy thinks it'sall over and by lifting birch
(41:05):
root and putting into my sack ofother children.
James (41:11):
Yard buddy, I'm getting kidnapped by a crampus right now
.
This fucking is bullshit.
Ryan (41:20):
Yeah and just yeah, and then just vanish into the
shadows with him in my new sack.
Yes, I would do that.
Yeah, that would be my, myaddition, for sure.
James (41:32):
That's perfect yeah.
I really, I really don't knowwhat I could change about this
movie.
Ryan (41:40):
I just want to say it was a good movie.
James (41:42):
It was really except for the love thing, god, that was so
that there.
That's why this is like not aperfect movie is that it just
made some poor decisions when itcame to plant and pay off.
Some plants didn't pay off.
There are some paths that hadno plant and that's where that's
where it fell flat.
But overall, pretty good movie.
Ryan (42:04):
Yeah, no, and I have to.
I have to agree with youentirely.
I'm like I said, I'm not a I'mnot a big Christmas movie fan
and this, but so take it forwhat you will, but it definitely
moved up towards the top threeof my favorite Christmas movies,
behind my Christmas Carol, ofcourse.
James (42:23):
Do you have any?
Do you have any quotes that youreally like?
Because I actually do have somequotes that I like from the
movie.
Well, please, that I don't knowif they were in the trailer.
Well, I actually didn't watch atrailer for this movie because
I didn't want to know.
I've started to not liketrailers so I avoid them.
But, but they, but we've got togive them their loves.
(42:43):
The girl, the girl, their love.
What is this Love so cool?
That's good.
Of course there was the shoveit up their anus.
Ryan (42:54):
Yeah, a lot of lines.
James (42:56):
Yep, the.
These were like.
All these three lines were likeright in a row and I assume
they made the trailer andthere's a Santa's going to eat
through these guys like a plateof cookies.
All very great lines.
Ryan (43:11):
Yeah, no, my favorite one is definitely that one Like look
, I know you're an idiot Don'tbe an idiot out loud.
I can't.
I can't tell you how many timesI like he and that's probably
why I didn't mind Liguizamo andthat just because that line I
felt that every day I have evergone into work, ever when it
(43:32):
comes to just dealing withthings, so I definitely
appreciated that.
So, yeah, so some great linesin this great film overall.
A few kind of just weird things.
But I mean, it's a fuckingChristmas movie about Santa with
a sledgehammer.
James (43:48):
One of the scenes with the sledgehammer, like they did
it.
They did a thing where theyfollowed a twirling sledgehammer
through the air, but it wasjust kind of like.
It was just kind of like a flatshot of the twirling
sledgehammer.
I was like at that, at that, atthat one, I was like that was a
little.
I didn't feel like the rest ofthe movie matched that.
That's why I think I don'tthink that was wrong, but I
(44:11):
think the other parts were alittle.
I think there are certain partsthat were a little too serious
and if they, if those parts havebeen less serious, then then
follow, then following thehammer through the air, just
just spinning right in centerscreen.
Right, that's very funny, and Iwould have even said if they
had made the rest of the moviejust a little more like silly
and surreal instead of like,instead of like sometimes
(44:34):
serious.
I think we, I think we couldhave let that hammer spin for
two, maybe three seconds Thenhad it in a guy and then, and
that that's what I was lookingfor.
It's just a little more and thenit would have been a perfect
movie.
Ryan (44:49):
Well, had they have done that, though, it would have
started to look like Rebel Moon,and I don't think that's what
they're going for.
James (44:58):
The grenade that took just too long to explode.
That also would have been goodif it was, if it was funnier, if
the whole movie was funnier, ifit was like more comedic, I
think those bits would havelanded better for me.
I wanted them to land, but itjust wasn't.
It wasn't overall silly enough.
Ryan (45:15):
It needed more Well well with that, it took like 10
seconds.
Well, he's got to stop andwatch it.
Well, with that being said sothere is violent night.
Thank you everyone so much forlistening to this.
We're high and dry podcast.
Please join us.
We got in coming up.
I'm sure you've guessed by now.
We have our Rebel Moon episodecoming up next.
James (45:39):
After that what you think about it.
Ryan (45:42):
Yeah, yes, the spoilers, we didn't much care for it.
Yes, after that.
So Rebel Moon.
After that, we're going to bedoing the original dunes, and
what was the last one we alreadydid?
What was the alien?
Of course we're.
We're going to take on Ash.
We're going to get him in theshowers and really tell him what
we think about him.
So there you have it, folks.
(46:04):
Thanks for listening.
Bye.
James (46:07):
Merry Christmas Bye.
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