August 12, 2024 • 61 mins
Ever wonder what happens when bullies get what's coming to them? On this episode of the High n' Dry Podcast, we reminisce about the wild reality show "Bully Beatdown" before diving headfirst into the eerie world of "It Follows." With potent Acapulco Gold in hand and a 60s-inspired vodka martini at our side, we dissect the film's unique take on horror, providing a mix of humor and sharp insights. From its stationary camera shots to Maika Monroe's gripping performance, our conversation brings out the hidden layers of this low-budget thrill-ride.
Our analysis doesn't stop at mere cinematic techniques. We unravel the deeper themes of trauma, fear, and responsibility that make "It Follows" a standout in the horror genre. By comparing it to other films like "Smile" and "Invisible Man," we shed light on the unsettling nature of the entity and its impact on the characters. The moral dilemmas faced by the protagonist, and the allegorical significance of the entity as more than just an 'STD demon,' are laid bare, offering a fresh perspective on the consequences of one's actions.
Ever wondered how you'd handle an unstoppable, shape-shifting horror? We do too, with a mix of practicality and humor. From building a community of hunters to conducting scientific experiments, we explore various hypothetical scenarios and even draw parallels to popular memes. Our blend of personal anecdotes, engaging speculation, and light-hearted banter makes this episode a rollercoaster of thoughtful discussion and entertaining hypotheticals. So join us on the High n' Dry Podcast, where we face our fears with a cocktail and a laugh at the ready!
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Ryan Baron North (00:00):
Hey everybody, welcome to High and Dry Podcast
, the only podcast left keepingalive the fandom of Bully
Beatdown.
Do you remember that one?
James Crosslin (00:10):
I don't remember that one.
That's one that I don't evenremember Now.
That's obscure.
Ryan Baron North (00:19):
The whole concept was this dude, this like
semisuccessful mma fighter,created a reality show, or he
was.
He was tagged for the realityshow and he would find people
people supposedly wrote in thatthey were getting bullied and
then he would force this bullyto fight another moderately
(00:42):
successful MMA fighter in thering.
James Crosslin (00:47):
Ah, so it was like a pick on someone your own
size kind of show.
Ryan Baron North (00:51):
That was sort of the message of it, yeah.
James Crosslin (00:56):
But also one of them's like a trained fighter
and the other one's not.
Ryan Baron North (01:00):
Correct and it was always like some guy who
truly believed supposedlybelieved that you know he could
take on anyone and they would dothe whole reality behind the
scenes like yo, my name's joeyand I am his bully.
I'm proud of it I bully anadult man I bully an adult man,
(01:23):
and then Mayhem would come inand make short work of them with
his roster of MMA fighters whoreally need this paycheck.
And that was the concept.
James Crosslin (01:38):
I didn't see this one at all.
Ryan Baron North (01:39):
This one totally passed me by that's not
the worst thing that's everhappened to you, for sure.
James Crosslin (01:48):
Well anyway, I feel like I missed out on a part
of uh, on a necessary part oflearning not to be a bully.
Ryan Baron North (01:55):
Yeah, no, and you know it follows you to this
day, but uh, anyway, folks.
So I'm your host, ryan BaronNorth, with me as always.
James Crossland, we aren'tgoing to be talking about Bully
Beatdown.
What we're going to be talkingabout today is it Follows, and
we're going to do it in thismagical three-part method where
first we're going to dive intothe film, we're going to do a
little breakdown, then we'regoing to jump onto the golden
(02:18):
path and discuss those moreenlightened thoughts on the film
and then, finally, we're goingto do a what if?
Scenario and insert ourselvesinto the movie.
And what makes it so magicaland fun is that we're going to
be doing it drunk and high.
So, james, what are you smokingthis week?
James Crosslin (02:35):
I'm smoking Acapulco Gold again.
I bought like an ounce ofAcapulco Gold and in March or
something, and I'm still workingon it I can't smoke it fast
enough.
Even though I smoke like two orthree times a day, I cannot
smoke this weed fast enough andso you have and so it's an ounce
(02:55):
, so an ounce, so, so an ounce.
Think of it like it's about ifyou were to lay it out flat.
It's about if you were to layit out flat.
It's about an inch thick andabout like an eight inch by four
inch plane.
And it's an inch thick, so it'squite a bit of weed and I
(03:17):
thought I would have gottenthrough it by now.
I've given some away to people,I've smoked it with friends,
I've rolled up joints and givenit to people like really burned
through it, like I don't know,keeps following you.
It's so good it doesn't takemuch to get fucked up.
It's like one of the.
It's like one of the.
Uh, it's one of the strainsthat cheech and chong did a
(03:38):
movie about.
Like it's a really good strain,okay, um, I think I'll be
smoking this until the end ofthe fucking year, man, well, hey
.
Ryan Baron North (03:51):
It just keeps coming back.
I throw it out and then it'swaiting for me in the bedroom.
James Crosslin (03:57):
It's a great strain.
I'm not mad at it.
It's always there.
It's like an endless bag ofweed.
It's pretty cool but alsovariety for the show, Not
getting much.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
Well, for variety, I've decided to switch it up
this week.
Most people know that I'll bechugging whiskey on here like
crazy.
But, for whatever reason, thesupernatural force of it Follows
got me thinking of men from the60s, and so for that I'm going
to be drinking a vodka, martiniokay I'm using three parts
(04:32):
belvedere, right there, and onepart vermouth, and that's going
to get you that, martini, mymicrophone's about to be pissed
at me, but it's not that bad nowyou put it under the table how
do you put it under the table?
James Crosslin (04:48):
like it sounds?
It sounds it's not blowing outyour mic or anything we're good
to go and we'll crack this open.
Ryan Baron North (04:55):
Yeah, getting vodka all over my desk, nice,
but yeah, so that's just threeparts your vodka, one part your
vermouth and it comes out nicelittle martini right there.
So I'll take that down over thecourse of our three starting
shots.
Excellent.
So this first one, our firstshot, first hit.
(05:19):
Uh, this one's going to go outto our film.
It it follows Cheers.
James Crosslin (05:25):
Cheers.
Ryan Baron North (05:28):
It follows, my vermouth is a little dry.
James Crosslin (05:39):
I don't prefer that dry of a martini, but it'll
do in a pinch.
What would you do to make itless dry?
Add more vodka.
Ryan Baron North (05:44):
Well, so I have a change.
So I mean you could add like uh, if you want to do like a lemon
drop, you'd add, um, somesimple syrup, uh, squeeze a
lemon in there.
It kind of gives it thatsweeter thing for a traditional
vodka.
Martini, you have to be, yeah,you, you have to be down for
alcohol, Cause I mean this isjust alcohol.
James Crosslin (06:04):
Yeah, yeah, alcohol, because I mean, this is
just alcohol, yeah, yeah.
So did you put?
Did you?
Did you shake it with ice, isthat?
Ryan Baron North (06:10):
what I heard is that there's ice in there you
shake it.
So you're gonna do it with astir.
But you know, if james bondtells you to do something, you
got to do it and so I take it.
So our second drink, our secondtoast second this one goes out
to our newest listeners inExeter, devon, devon, like
(06:31):
England, yeah.
Or we also have some fromZacatecas.
Zacatecas, I don't know.
James Crosslin (06:40):
Type it in the chat.
Type it in the chat reallyquick.
Wait, how's it spelled?
Spell it out.
Ryan Baron North (06:45):
Zacatecas.
James Crosslin (06:47):
Like Mexico.
Ryan Baron North (06:48):
Yes, so Z-A-C-A-T-E-C-A-S.
James Crosslin (06:54):
Yeah, zacatecas yeah.
Ryan Baron North (06:56):
Yeah, cool.
So here's to them.
So down the hatch Cheers.
Wow, I have nothing.
To soak up this desk vodka cool.
James Crosslin (07:10):
Our audience is so international.
I love that people just listenfrom random places.
That's super.
That's super cool.
Thanks for listening people ohand uh.
Ryan Baron North (07:20):
So this, this final toast, this final, I guess
, goes out to passing on yoursexual trauma to those around
you.
James Crosslin (07:30):
Cheers.
Ryan Baron North (07:38):
All right, well, I am ready to go.
That was a lot of alcohol.
James Crosslin (07:50):
All right, let's do it.
Ryan Baron North (07:53):
All right, all right.
Who am I?
What are we doing?
All right, so All right.
James Crosslin (07:58):
So it's 11 am.
It's 11 am, we're talking aboutit follows.
Ryan Baron North (08:03):
I just swallowed a bowl of vodka.
Let's do this so it follows.
So part one let's dive on in.
So, james, what were your, whatare your sober thoughts on the
film before we lose it?
James Crosslin (08:16):
my sober thoughts in the film.
So I'd like to talk about myhistory with this film a little
bit.
So this film came out in, Ithink, 2014.
Yeah, um, I missed it.
It missed me entirely.
I'd heard about it.
Uh, I heard it was good.
I heard it was like a lowbudget film.
Um, I heard that and you know alot of what I heard about this
(08:39):
movie talked about the theme oflike a sexually transmitted
disease was.
What I heard was like the themonster was a sexually
transmitted disease, and so Icame in with the con with that
concept in the back of my mind,because there's no way I can
avoid it.
Someone told me it andtherefore it's there forever.
(08:59):
I can't escape it.
Um, so I couldn't ignore itgoing into the movie that I knew
what it was about.
Yeah, that being said, I didenjoy the movie.
I have some contentious.
I'm contentious about the ideathat it's a sexually transmitted
disease.
We can talk about that when weget to the golden path, probably
(09:23):
, but I thought that this moviewas, uh, I thought this movie
did some really fun cool things,kind of like invisible man,
where they had some, you know,wide shots, that where the
camera was stationary.
It's that still from onevantage point, and then people
moved in and out of frame, which, you'll notice, doesn't happen
in movies a lot, where a camerasits still and people, people
(09:45):
move out of frame, that youfollow a character.
That's like.
That's like going against film.
You know our standardconceptualization of filmmaking
to keep a camera sitting in onespace of people, to leave they
just left the movie, we have noidea what they're doing, and
then they come back or don't.
Um, and I thought that it did areally good job making us like
(10:07):
a passive observer.
Uh, you know it also made us,as the audience, feel stuck.
You know that we had noinfluence, that we couldn't even
follow these characters.
You know it, they did someamazing things out of necessity
with their filmmaking that ledto really cool shots that were
really engrossing.
Ryan Baron North (10:28):
Okay, no, solid, okay, um, yeah, for me,
uh, sober thoughts, my quicklyevaporating sober thoughts, that
, uh, that fuck is goingstraight to my brain.
I would say I did enjoy themovie.
This is I think this is thesecond time I've watched it,
when we decided to do it forthis show and yeah, I think I
(10:52):
enjoyed it this time more than Idid the first.
I don't know if I was just morecritical back in 2014 or what
the deal was, but I enjoyed itmore the second time.
James Crosslin (11:05):
I feel like you've grown as a person.
Do you think that had somethingto do with it?
Ryan Baron North (11:09):
it could be, it could be for sure, but yeah,
I would say that I am lesscritical, for sure less
contrarian, yeah more empatheticand I also did, yeah, more
empathetic and I I also did findthe creature itself to be very
(11:32):
uh unsettling.
James Crosslin (11:35):
Yeah, it was really unsettling.
Ryan Baron North (11:36):
I agree, yeah, it was very unsettling.
I I appreciated the creature.
I, you know, enjoyed that sideof it.
I did find it to be be, yeah,it was just an unnerving
creature which was kind offascinating in its own way, and
so much so that I did look up tosee if the the writer had
pulled it out of folkloresomewhere, like is there, do we
(11:59):
have std demons somewhere in thearchives?
And no, I guess he just he hada dream about it and I wasn't
able to find anything beyondthat.
So I I did like the creativityof the creature and, yes, I
thought that was that was prettycool and it did remind me of
smile a lot yeah, yeah, it'sdefinitely trauma-based.
James Crosslin (12:22):
Um, yeah, and you do pass it from one person
to the other, but I guess in in,smile, uh, they, they die.
You have to die to pass it onright yeah, yeah, you're gonna
die, so that part or I guess you, I guess that one guy killed
someone else, right, that oneguy killed someone else and and
(12:43):
pass the trauma on that way.
Um, but we'll talk.
We'll talk about this in thegolden path, because I this
analogy is really I don't.
I want to talk about theanalogy more in depth.
Ryan Baron North (12:56):
Yeah, I do too but yeah, overall though I yeah
, it was a solid film yeah, Ithought it was.
James Crosslin (13:03):
I thought it was a really good film.
It had me on the edge of myseat most of the time, despite
this thing just movingincredibly slowly.
I especially liked the scenewhere they were sitting at the
beach and her hair starts andyou see her friend slowly
walking behind her and then themonster goes invisible, like
(13:27):
like we never know what ourperspective is, but when it
lifts her hair up, I thoughtthat was a great scene.
When it, when the like thedemon was proved to be real or
whatever it it was, I liked thatscene a lot.
Ryan Baron North (13:39):
I thought it was really good and that was
interesting, that.
So at first you assume it'sjust a presence, right, that
it's like infected your head,it's like the disease itself,
yeah.
But then you realize that no,it's an entity, it's like a
physical thing.
It's a physical thing that youcould only see once you've
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banged the right person.
I mean, they even clip it onceLike they hit it.
James Crosslin (14:05):
Yeah, oh they hit, they, they, they hit it
several times, like they, likethey shoot it like three or four
times.
Ryan Baron North (14:12):
Yeah, people who weren't infected by it can
interact with it.
Yeah, yeah, I found that reallyinteresting.
That was an.
That was an interesting portionof it, something that I wasn't
expecting, anticipating, so thatwas interesting yeah.
James Crosslin (14:34):
I'm not sure if that makes it more or less scary
, less scary for me, but wemight want to move that to the
golden path also.
I feel it approaching anyway.
Ryan Baron North (14:46):
Well, did you have any?
James Crosslin (14:47):
final thoughts that you wanted to throw into
your sober.
Look at this film.
Micah monroe's great.
I thought she was an excellentprotagonist.
I thought she did a death, Ithought she.
I thought she portrayed like,uh, detachment and then like
horror, and then detachmentagain, like this, this wavering
between these feelings.
Really well, I think she's areally great actress.
Ryan Baron North (15:09):
No, I thought so too.
That's a good point.
She did.
I mean, well, it's obviously abit of more of a golden path,
thought there, yeah, let's justmove into it now.
James Crosslin (15:21):
Yeah, let's just get to the golden bed.
Ryan Baron North (15:22):
It's time.
So, but with yeah, let's justmove into it now.
Yeah, let's just move into thegolden path, it's time.
But with that being the case,since we're moving onto the
golden path, it's time for ourfinal shot, final hit.
James Crosslin (15:31):
Nurse that one.
Ryan Baron North (15:35):
No, okay, but it's just a little bit of vodka.
James Crosslin (15:42):
Don't you have to do a thing after this?
Ryan Baron North (15:45):
Oh, I'm going to the movies.
James Crosslin (15:49):
You're going to be, yelling at the screen.
Ryan Baron North (15:55):
What's a movie out here in Missouri without
some drunk yelling at the screen?
They just put me in thatsection.
If you do get thrown out of amovie theater, you have to tell
me, like when you buy a ticketat a movie in missouri they say,
(16:17):
sir, are you inebriated?
Should we put you in the drunkscreaming section?
And I was like yeah, obviously,obviously oh, all right.
So here's to the golden path.
Uh, as written.
I, I like love.
(16:40):
I, you know, I love bourbon.
Obviously I, I can definitelymess up some tequila.
I do not know why people likevodka.
Really I like vodka.
I can't get down on it.
I mean, I just knocked out fourshots of vodka here, but it's
just not my thing anymore.
(17:01):
Yeah, that's fair.
I remember I started with it.
But, um, also an interestinglittle little liquor tidbit,
while I'm thinking about themartini and everything like that
.
So people started drinkingmartinis and vodka in the 60s
and 70s, um moving into the 80seven, because they didn't want
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to be like their parents, whowere mostly drinking whiskeys,
and that turned in in the 60s,70s and 80s.
Whiskey was an old person'sdrink, right, and now, um,
whiskey's coming back as thedominant liquor and it's just
always this cycle of people notwanting to do what their parents
(17:44):
did in these small, irrelevantways.
James Crosslin (17:49):
Yeah, Is that?
Yeah, that might be the key toit.
I don't know.
Ryan Baron North (17:53):
Yeah, I mean.
Well, so I mean that was the uh, the cause of the 60s, 70s, uh,
vodka boom.
It's why James Bond drinksvodka martinis, um, when clearly
he's a whiskey man, you thinkso.
James Crosslin (18:15):
I thought he was absinthe Doubting absinthe.
Got his wormwood.
Ryan Baron North (18:26):
Little spoon pours the sugar, sugar pours it,
likes the sugar pours it over,could you?
Imagine that he's sittingacross the table from Vesper.
He's sitting across the tablefrom Vesper and he asks.
He requests the spoon and asugar cube and starts gently
working the liquor over theyhave.
James Crosslin (18:43):
they bring out a case and he meticulously sets
everything up.
They show the whole thing.
It takes like two and a halfminutes and he drinks it.
Ryan Baron North (18:59):
She's like what the fuck are you doing?
You think this is real wormwood.
It's like a japanese teaceremony that he just needs him
to sit there every time he wantsto drink oh god, oh, if, uh,
yeah, if the new bond that's thefirst thing he fucking does
(19:24):
bust out, his absence set, oh,I'm gonna be so pissed there
will be a lawsuit.
Oh so, anyway, it is time toget on the golden path.
All right, let's talk aboutthis movie.
So, james, what are your goldenpath?
Thoughts on it follows uh,golden path.
James Crosslin (19:42):
Thoughts on it follows.
Well, first, you know we talkedabout the sexually transmitted
disease, kind of allegory.
Uh, it doesn't really work forme for a few reasons, you know.
I it's because, uh, it'sbecause, like the, when you pass
on.
Well, I should explain forpeople who may not have seen
this movie.
It's possible.
Yeah, this movie wasn'tincredibly popular.
(20:04):
It was popular among, like,film nerds and then a bunch of
other people, the.
The consensus among regularmoviegoers was that it was slow
and boring.
Um, but film nerds liked it andwe like it.
You know, story nerds, yeah,people who like the art of, of
cinema.
So I'll explain.
(20:24):
So, in this movie, this womanplayed by micah monroe, a young
woman, uh, ends up going outwith a man and having sex with
him and like like a hookup inthe back of a car and he drugs
her and he attaches her to awheelchair and, uh, and you're
and I thought that was reallysurprising.
By the way, I was like whoatook a, took a huge leap at that
(20:47):
point.
I was like I was like I thoughtit was just gonna.
I thought she was just gonnaleave and then we were gonna
discover it over time.
No, the dude fuckingchloroforms her, ties her to a
wheelchair and, like, shows herthat this, this, uh, this entity
that takes the shape of, ofsomeone you may or may not know,
continuously walk slowly towardyou.
Ryan Baron North (21:10):
Now that you're the person who's taken
this curse by having sex withthem and it's generally not how
it can a uh, hey, fuck, I lostthe word that vodka hit me hard.
But yeah, it's generally nothow a date ends when things are
going fine for you, everyone'sdown and, yeah, everyone had sex
and stuff and I was like yeah,we had sex and all of a sudden,
I was like chloroformed likewhat.
(21:31):
What more was I supposed to do?
James Crosslin (21:33):
and I and I was like man that that guy did it,
he had sex with her, he gave herthe demon.
I knew the concept of the movieand I was like, damn, now she's
just gonna have to, she's goingto be thrown into this knowing
nothing.
And I was like, oh oh, no, itgot worse, this thing on.
And so they had some sympathyfor the victim, which is not
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usually the case in horrormovies, um, which I thought was
really good, uh.
But the thing about this isit's not like an std, because
you don't get rid of your std bygiving someone else your std
and you don't get rid.
You don't get rid of your STDby giving someone else your STD
and you don't get rid of your.
You know, you don't put offyour sexual trauma by giving
(22:31):
your sexual trauma to someoneelse.
That's not how that works.
Ryan Baron North (22:36):
Yeah, no, and that's a good.
So those are the two main.
So I did a brief sort of lookto see how other people felt and
how they tried to break it down.
It's always those two.
It's a STD or a sexual trauma,but like that's, that's not
necessarily what we're talkingabout here.
There's more to it.
James Crosslin (22:56):
I think that what this is meant to represent
well, whether intentionally orunintentionally, to me, when I
look at this allegory, what Isee is the pushing off of
responsibility and consequences.
That's what this sexual demonis.
(23:17):
The sex is just the means thatpeople are willing.
I think the message that I seeis that people are willing to do
whatever it takes to avoidconsequences.
Yes, it's, uh, it's that.
It's not about the sex.
Sex is something that peopleare willing to do.
(23:38):
They're willing to be coercedinto.
They're willing to injure otherpeople without their consent.
Ryan Baron North (23:46):
If they're willing to do that, they're
willing to do anything there andand kill them indirectly you
know, yeah, no, and I that wassomething I appreciated about
this as well was look, if you'repassing that off, if you're, if
you're passing the buck, you'renot doing the right thing.
(24:06):
Right, yeah, at all, and I'llget more into what I would do
personally in the third part.
But of course you're not doingthe right thing.
And what was wild was theprotagonist decided in the end
not to do the right thing eitherright there, there were some
attempts, uh, to see what theycould do to kind of stop it to,
(24:29):
to deal with these sorts ofthings.
But, like you were saying, like, hey, the consequence of this
action is you're about to bemangled by an invisible creature
, right?
And instead of just like allright, it's time to get mangled
or.
James Crosslin (24:45):
Or it's now or I now have to spend my life
avoiding it or, yeah, spend mylife running, but no, like, nope
.
Ryan Baron North (24:53):
Let's see.
What's wild about that also iseven once you pass off the buck,
you still have a life of.
Did it get back to me?
Right?
You know you can't, just youknow even what was wild was that
the guy in the beginning whogives it to her went back to
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live with Ma.
James Crosslin (25:15):
Yeah, right, he just went home.
He went.
His big plan was I'm gonna goto the next town over and then
I'm sure it'll never show up atmy door yeah, that was what he
was.
Ryan Baron North (25:30):
Easily they tracked him down like that that
was pretty quick.
James Crosslin (25:35):
Yeah, he expected her to be dead already,
I guess.
But he no.
He said he expected her tosurvive, so he just thought she
was gonna do all the runningaround he was passing off the
consequences to someone hethought could handle it, even
though he proved he could handleit.
He should have taken theresponsibility instead of
shoving it onto another person.
Ryan Baron North (25:56):
And then just go home to live with Ma.
And well then, there was alsothe interesting part of the, the
young man who was obviouslyenamored by our protagonist from
the beginning.
And there there's aninteresting thing to say about
individuals who are willing, outof this desperate need for
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connection or this desperateneed for whatever it is,
whatever your trauma is, to beso willing to take on someone
else's damage for the sake ofthat gratification.
James Crosslin (26:34):
Well, it's consequences is what it is, and
I think that consequences, youknow, when we talk less about
damage and about things thatdefine a personality or
something, you know that's whatthe movie I think was trying to
say was about damage and stuff,but in the end it came back to
something else.
Right, it's the taking ofresponsibility and I think that
does, or consequences, reallyNot responsibility, it's
(26:57):
consequences and and I thinkit's okay for someone to take
someone else's consequences.
That happens a lot you know it'ssomething you're willing to do
for someone else, it can be anexcellent thing yeah uh, well,
and the reason why I bring it upyeah, yeah, you got to be
informed which he was he was, hewas, he was informed, he gave
(27:19):
consent to what was happening hedid give consent, and but then
it begs the question of herwillingness to allow this guy to
take on those consequences.
Ryan Baron North (27:31):
Right, and and I mean that for for anyone, I'm
not saying gender specific oranything like that, but just a
willingness for us.
Because for me, if I was in ourprotagonist's place and I have
this young boy who's just sodesperate to appease me, he's
like yo, let's fuck man, I'lltake your consequences.
(27:52):
I'll be like I can't let you dothat, homie, I'll be like I
can't let you do that, homie.
James Crosslin (27:59):
That's definitely a consideration.
I think the movie has an excusefor that.
I think the excuse is that whenthey were fighting the creature
at the end, he couldn't see it,and it made everything really
hard.
What he said was I want to helpyou and defend you from this
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thing, no matter what.
I'll be here until it kills me,right?
I want to be able to see thething.
Uh, and that's why she had sexwith him.
It's it's also implied near theend that he goes and passes it
on to a prostitute?
Ryan Baron North (28:35):
no, he goes and bangs a bunch of hookers and
that immediately calls his, butso were the guys on the boat.
James Crosslin (28:43):
Yeah.
So here's the question.
Here's what I think they weredoing with that scene.
I think they showed us thatscene with her and the guys on
the boat and we were latersupposed to see him as a
counteraction to that.
I don't think he, his was thesame that he banged those
hookers.
Ryan Baron North (29:02):
I don't think he did but I don't know, I think
.
I think, I think together youhad these young adults saying,
like well, if we were trying toget this thing so far away from
us, what part of the populationwould we give it to?
And they're like well,obviously, the girls on the on
the corner are it's going to bepassed off within so long.
But but even then, if you haveany level of foresight, you
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would know that hey, this, uh,this particular prostitute is
going to have sex with a John,that's his wife, he's going to
have sex with his wife and thewife's gonna die, the john's
gonna die.
It goes right back to the, tothe prostitute who I guess the
hope is she keeps having sexevery day, and it goes to the
new john the new wife, the newjohn the new wife, the new john
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the new wife, which is uh prettyterrible, which is yeah, yeah,
but that, but that's maybe.
James Crosslin (29:55):
That's just the question it's asking.
We got confirmation that Mikeand well, we never got
confirmation that Mike andMonroe did the boat thing.
We actually never gotconfirmation of that.
But that's the question, right.
When it comes down to it andyou see an opportunity to shove
off your consequences and havesomeone else suffer them, would
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you do it, do you do it?
And and, and.
Whatever we think of a person,when that opportunity comes up
and you see that option,sometimes you, in a moment of
weakness, take it.
Ryan Baron North (30:34):
Honestly, take it honestly.
So I think that that is thebest possible segue we could
have to our third portion ofthis episode, where we are going
to insert ourselves into thisfilm.
We're going to see what we dodifferently.
We're going to put some drugsand alcohol in it, throw it into
the mix, shake it up like avodka, martini, let's see what
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happens.
So, so I mean, james, would youlike to answer your own
question on like, would you do?
James Crosslin (31:02):
it would I do what I do, what?
Ryan Baron North (31:05):
so you've been inserted so you've been
inserted into.
It follows you were on a datewith this attractive young thang
.
Everything was going great, itwas totally consensual, but then
they still fucking throw thechloroform on you like homie.
You didn't have to do that, wewere down.
Is this just a little game?
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Um, because if it is, I'm intoit.
But that's the consent.
James Crosslin (31:34):
That's the consent thing right we didn't
actually get into that in thelast portion, so much.
We should have talked about itmore well, well, I mean what if?
Ryan Baron North (31:43):
are you insulted by the lack of consent
of the chloroform?
James Crosslin (31:46):
yes, I am.
I'm insulted by the lack ofconsent, because maybe this guy,
if he had just been like, allright, this is fucking crazy.
There's a big demon and it's,there's a thing that's chasing
me and he like, he takes videowith his phone.
Everybody has a fucking camera.
He throws a sheet over it orsome paint or something and it
takes a video and he's likelisten, there there's a demon,
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it's chasing me, I can see it.
You can only see it if you havesex with me.
Who wants to have?
He can post this online.
You can put this on instagramand people would be like yes, I
will have sex with you and thenI will see the monster.
Ryan Baron North (32:22):
And soon we would have a bunch of people who
could see this monster andfucking fight it, and we could
work together on this thing andwe're all brought together by
the fact that we have fucked asuh, a person in the line, yeah,
and once we kill the monsterwe're gonna have a party.
James Crosslin (32:39):
It's the fact that everyone consented.
That's the thing is that bindspeople together, like the two,
like the couple at the end.
It's the consent that there wasan understanding about what was
happening.
It was totally truthful.
You didn't feel you had to hide.
You know the reality of thesituation.
For whatever reason, um, uh,they shared, whatever these the
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burdens of consequence of things, a thing she didn't ask for
because she didn't give consent.
Right, she didn't give consent.
She was facing a consequence.
She didn't deserve that someoneshoved off on off on her.
But together, with both of themconsenting, they face it
together.
Ryan Baron North (33:20):
Well, I did have a question about that for
you.
So the final scene, you know wesee this guy who finally gets
to have sex with the girl thathe's been eyeing since an hour
and a half ago.
He goes off and it's heavilyimplied that he has sex with a
prostitute, and then they'resort of holding hands down the
street and to me excuse me, Ithought, cause coming back to me
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it seemed like he was stillmore into it.
We just the way they wereholding hands and she was like,
if this guy's willing to take onmy consequences, cool, maybe.
James Crosslin (33:56):
Yeah, I way they were holding hands and she was
like, if this guy's willing totake on my consequences, cool,
maybe, yeah, I, I I may agreewith that that at the end, you
know, when they held, she alwaysseemed kind of uh, really mad
about him, yeah and uh.
But perhaps she appreciatesthat he is her companion, that
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he's willing to do a lot for her, and there are relationships
like that in real life.
I don't.
I don't think Micah Monroe is agood character.
I don't think she plays a goodperson.
I think she plays just a normalperson.
A person, right?
Yeah, she's just a normalperson.
Normal person, a person, right?
Ryan Baron North (34:41):
yeah, she's just a normal person who is, who
is imperfect, a deeplyimperfect, without a doubt.
Well, so let me, let me bringit back around.
You have been infected by thisparticular consequence std demon
yeah, I do all the things.
James Crosslin (34:54):
I say wait, no, I'm sorry, what do you do?
Finish your question.
What do you do?
Okay?
So one of the notes I wrotedown immediately was like can
you fuck the demon to death?
And then I learned very quicklythat that, no, the demon fucks
you to death.
Uh, so that one that thatsolution didn't work out.
(35:15):
Um, let's see.
So I said the thing about justgoing on instagram and building
a community of of it hunters.
Uh, I think that I think thatwould probably be.
You know, there was no scienceinvolved.
Like I said, she's not like anamazing person, she's not like
the best person, she's not likethe most genius or whatever.
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She's just a normal personwhere the fuck was like the
tossing paint on it or powdersor they throw a sheet on it at
one point.
Why the fuck wouldn't you carrya sheet everywhere like, uh, uh,
uh, just some silly string, youshoot silly string on the
fucking thing.
I would call, I would figureout how to show people that the
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demon was walking around, andthen I would call a news station
and I'd be like look at this,what the fuck is going on right
now?
Do you see this shit?
Speaker 3 (36:12):
This is not a.
James Crosslin (36:15):
We'd have top minds on it immediately.
There's an invisible creaturewalking down the street.
Ryan Baron North (36:22):
I've discovered a new slice of the
universe as we understand it.
There are invisible sexcreatures out there and we need
to get to the bottom of it.
Let's get down here, boys,seriously, well.
Well, I'm glad you brought thatup because I I would be doing
very similar research like you.
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You would see a submersibledrop down on the far side of the
marianas trench and I'd bedressed like jacques custeau and
we're gonna watch to see howthis creature gets to me via the
Marianas Trench.
James Crosslin (37:01):
I thought I had the same exact thought.
Man, like you, gotta do sometiming stuff.
It's actually physical, so youcan be aware of exactly when it
hits checkpoints.
You might be able to attachsomething to it to track it.
Maybe you can put a bell on thething.
Has anyone tried to put a bell?
Ryan Baron North (37:21):
on it.
Well, let's experiment hereLike it's a dangerous experiment
.
But we have people who studysharks.
All right, we do.
And so now I know that there'sinvisible STD demons.
You know damn well, there'ssomething inside the Marianas
Trench.
Let's see how my STD demonstacks up against it.
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How does an ancient megalodon,take him out.
I'm very excited to find out.
James Crosslin (37:49):
Can you get it to walk into a volcano?
What happens when it falls?
In a volcano Because it felldown when it got shot what if it
gets Terminator 2'd or regularfirst Terminator crushed, molten
, steeled?
Ryan Baron North (38:08):
and there's a popular meme, I guess would be
about the deal you make whereyou get to live forever, but as
make where you get to liveforever.
But as soon as you choose tolive forever, a snail begins its
journey towards you.
And if the snail ever touchesyou, your uh life ends.
James Crosslin (38:31):
Okay, and.
Ryan Baron North (38:33):
I didn't know about that.
James Crosslin (38:34):
That sounds like an exact analogy of this
monster.
Ryan Baron North (38:37):
That is what it exactly was.
And so there's jokes about howyou know you've lived, you know,
happily for so many hundredyears, and all of a sudden your
son's like hey, I found thissnail outside.
Or the world explodes and it'sjust you and the snail.
The snail fires off theopposite direction from the
earth and you fire off the otherway.
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And now you have to just driftthrough space for eternity.
But it's just taking theconcept and adding like, hey,
hey, there's other options here,we don't just have to go down
to the red light district.
And and another thing, likedude, if, if that's your plan
was to get with just aprostitute and see what happens
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don't do it in Detroit fly toThailand.
Well, like, give the like,don't go five blocks down.
Yes, five blocks down is theproblem.
James Crosslin (39:36):
like fly to thailand, like, if that's the
plan, let's make it a plan,let's make this work right go to
I guess, if you wanted, I guessif you wanted to observe it
tomorrow, five miles away,wouldn't be a bad plan.
If you're like, I want to knowwhat happens tomorrow yeah, I
guess that's not a bad plan,because who knows how long it
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would take to get to thailandright?
Ryan Baron North (39:59):
but but that's not what they were trying to do
.
Even the guy who gave it to her, he just wanted to pass it off
to a girl that lives in thetri-county area, yeah, and then
go back to live with his momlike, oh, she's gonna deal with
that, it'll be fine, there's noway it's gonna catch her.
Like dude you, you hop onspiritcom.
(40:20):
You're gonna just take a singlecarry-on because you can't
afford the other baggage.
You're gonna fly as far as youcan go to their red light
district and see what happensthere when?
James Crosslin (40:35):
you know, I just had a question, I just had a
thought.
You know, when he said that shecould handle it, she could
handle this thing, was heessentially saying that she was
willing to do any she?
Ryan Baron North (40:47):
he saw in her the willingness to do anything
to survive if he was, if that'swhat he was saying, he wasn't
wrong.
He wasn't wrong.
Yeah, that and that's aninteresting point okay, because
if that's what he was saying, hewasn't wrong.
James Crosslin (41:05):
Yeah he was also , but but he was a piece of shit
he should.
He should have been killed.
They should have shot him forbeing a piece of shit.
They should have shot her forbeing a piece of shit he should.
He should have been killed.
They should have shot him forbeing a piece of shit they
should have shot her for being apiece of shit.
They all, they should all diefor being pieces of shit well,
that's another thing I mean solike I.
Ryan Baron North (41:24):
so I got my jacques costeau submariners
thing on and I just witnessedthis creature leap across
mariana's Well it seems to movefaster in water.
James Crosslin (41:36):
Yeah, it seems to move a lot faster.
Ryan Baron North (41:38):
It would move a lot faster in the pool we
watched this thing.
At one point it had to bust awindow and slide in.
James Crosslin (41:47):
That shit was so funny, I laughed out loud.
I laughed out loud when hebroke the window and heaved his
body over all stiff into thewindow His stiff legs flopped
over and he used like a rock.
Yeah, that shit was so fuckingfunny man.
Ryan Baron North (42:06):
But me, as her , as the new protagonist
watching this, I'd be like waita minute.
Wait a minute, first it'sinteracting, wait a minute.
First it's interacting with thephysical world.
Second, it needed the physicalworld.
Yeah, it didn't pass throughthe window on its own.
It didn't punch through theglass.
James Crosslin (42:24):
Right, which is which I thought was funny.
It breaks the shed.
Later it like explodes the shed.
Ryan Baron North (42:30):
Yeah, so like so.
Then I'm noticing all loads theshed with yeah, so like so.
Then I'm noticing.
James Crosslin (42:40):
All right, we got some variables in this
particular experiment.
Yeah, as me and james cameronare working on the documentary
of this thing, this, this, it,this, it demon is weak against
glass but strong against wood.
How do we build?
How are we building the cagefor this demon?
Ryan Baron North (42:52):
we're, yeah, we're doing some shit here we're
doing thick glass.
We're just gonna do some somebulletproof impact resistance
glass and we're just watchingand it and one of the benefits
of it not being a shark if itescapes that glass enclosement I
just gotta walk at a powerwalker's pace.
This thing is not fast, yeah,but it can huck tvs at you if
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you're in the water but, butessentially this tvs.
James Crosslin (43:24):
That's right, it was, it was you know it had a
good arm.
It did a good arm, it waspretty accurate.
Um but uh.
But you know, this is kind oflike the story of an evil entity
getting trapped in a relic,like if you do that if you like,
trap it last prison.
It's like a relic, and thensomeone's gonna find it
eventually and then all of asudden, you're gonna have this
(43:47):
reborn demon that no one knowsanything about because everyone
affected by it has died, andit's going to be like a hell
raiser almost, kind of uh uh,you've created a prison for this
thing that's going to get that.
Someone's going to release itat some point.
Ryan Baron North (44:01):
They're going to find it you know, hell raiser
is not a movie I want to diveinto, oh my god, but anyway.
Oh, those are so bad, but um no, and so well.
My question for you then,because this is the what if?
portion, and you know we've goneinto what the characters should
do.
So you just you just gotwheelchaired.
(44:22):
All right, yeah, this he lookslike he was trying to start his
own grunge band.
Bring it back.
Did all those things?
What are your first actions?
Like, how does it changeimmediately compared to it
follows 2014?
.
James Crosslin (44:40):
Well, I think I really.
I think I think I really did it.
I think what I said before isreally what would happen is like
I'd I'd be afraid of this thingand I'd keep running from it,
right, and but I'd try to learnabout it.
They really didn't try to learnabout it at all.
There was no effort made tolearn about it, which I thought
was very, very weird.
(45:03):
Yeah, but also kind of normalfor people.
Do you think so?
I think so.
Uh, I think that I've met a lotof people who aren't really
interested in learning about thethings they interact with.
Uh, you know, not to be toopersonal, but someone recently
(45:25):
was told that, uh, the, uh, thethings on the top of that, that
that bind soda cans together,that they, if you throw them out
, they can get stuck around thenecks of animals and the limbs
of animals, and then, and then,in response to that, they're
just like well, I'm not going todo any of that.
(45:46):
It's like I'm not going to, I'mnot going to cut that, all you
have to do is cut the rings.
And they were like ah, all youhave to do is cut the rings.
And they were like I don't care, I'm not really interested in
learning about that or doingthat yeah.
Yeah.
Ryan Baron North (46:00):
Yeah, yeah.
James Crosslin (46:01):
Which happens?
It happens People make costvalue decisions of the things
that they're going to, of theway they're going to approach
problems but that kind of sucks.
Ryan Baron North (46:20):
Yeah it, it does.
Um, no, that's a good point.
So and so, and well, I thinkthat's a good point.
Just on the horror genre ingeneral, the horror genre, among
compared to any other genre, isthe first one where you're
going to get this.
What would you have done?
And and everyone's always likewell, obviously you don't do A,
b and C and all that kind ofstuff, and that's, yeah, that's
one thing to say when you'resitting there on the couch
(46:43):
shoving your face of popcorn,but it's rarely what we see in
practice, right?
James Crosslin (46:52):
So, so how would I?
I?
Ryan Baron North (46:54):
I would have turned around right there and
it's like no, you wouldn't have,you would have taken that
hatchet to the face yeah, yeahmaybe I've known you for a while
maybe I would not have beenable to beat the monster back to
the car.
James Crosslin (47:08):
Maybe I'm too out of shape.
Maybe I'm too out of shape tomake it back to the car before
this.
Ryan Baron North (47:14):
This monster is moving three miles per hour
max just got both hands on yourknees, holy shit I mean not
everyone out there is running 5k, you know not everyone out
there can power walk for fiveminutes and and most people who
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are commenting on horror filmsdo not know if they fight,
flight or freeze.
So it's like who are you, who'syour average viewer to say so
then, if you took, if you wereto take, uh, if we were to take
honest looks at ourselves, howwould it be different?
Would it be different?
James Crosslin (47:59):
I think I'm a fleer.
I'm not a fighter.
I would flee, but that's thething about fleeing is
specifically with this thing.
It buys you more time.
Speaker 3 (48:10):
Yeah, it's like, yes, that works out Great.
James Crosslin (48:13):
Freezing and hiding is not a good solution.
Fighting the thing keeps comingback.
They shot it in the neck, itwent down and I went, like I
audibly I said, oh, they clippedit.
I was like this opens up somany possibilities yeah well, uh
well, and it's so.
Ryan Baron North (48:31):
everyone always just goes into fight or
flight.
There is a third, and the thirdone is freeze.
James Crosslin (48:37):
There's a fourth one.
Oh, what's the fourth?
The fourth is to fawn.
So like come on, demon, it'sokay, we don't have to fight
like this.
Ryan Baron North (48:47):
That might be even more useless than freeze.
James Crosslin (48:51):
That would be the worst one than freeze.
Ryan Baron North (48:57):
Uh, that would be the worst one.
Well, I, I've been in, uh,certain training situations
where you know we're going overfight, flight or freeze, and you
know you're talking toinstructors and things like that
, and they're like, look, I canuse a fighter, I can use a
flighter, but if you freeze, youprobably picked the wrong job.
You shouldn't be here right now.
Um, and so, yeah, flight can bejust as useful as as fight, and
(49:17):
it might be more useful in thissituation.
Yeah, and I don't think eitherof us would freeze, I don't
think we'd freeze?
James Crosslin (49:26):
no, we've, we've .
We've been in situations thathave called for immediate
attention and we went intoaction one way or the other yes,
yeah.
Ryan Baron North (49:35):
So I I can honestly say neither of us are
going to be a freezer or afawner yeah, I've been known
from fun from time to time, butprobably not in this situation
not in the life or deathsituation.
Yeah, no, so yeah, I, I would, I, I could.
I feel like I could safely sayand agree that if either of us
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were placed into this film, itwould become more of a
paranormal research I could seethe like early 90s and we both
have, like you know, the musicand we put on our safety goggles
and our lab coats.
James Crosslin (50:18):
It's got us holding up beakers.
Ryan Baron North (50:27):
We've been doing it for 10 fucking years
and just say I'm Ryan.
Hey, I'm James and we've beenbeing chased by st demon for the
past 10 years and we're here tounlock the secrets let's dive
in we've got our.
James Crosslin (50:45):
We've got.
You can see on our map here andit's like it's a digital map
and there's just a beeping, noton the map.
You can see the demons righthere.
Right now it's in the midst,near Sioux Falls.
Ryan Baron North (51:00):
We had him low jacked on week one.
James Crosslin (51:04):
A hundred percent.
Ryan Baron North (51:06):
That was the first fucking thing we did was
low jack this motherfucker.
James Crosslin (51:11):
You get the transmitter.
All right, people, when you'regetting chased by the sex team,
you get it.
You get a transmitter, you putit on a pole, something sharp at
the end.
You get a little eye hook.
Put it around the sharp part.
You shove it into the demon,get it really up in there.
You don't want it to like, youreally don't want it to pop off
when it's dragging itselfthrough a window or down a stair
(51:32):
, is or banished or somethinglike that we've had that happen
before you gotta get it up inthere we get uh.
Ryan Baron North (51:40):
We have, uh, fucking presidential
appointments as the preeminentauthorities on the std demons,
uh.
So we, like you got uh.
The next president is in apress conference and you see one
of us come up and whisper intotheir ear like, hey, the st
demon uh, within a mile of youright now.
(52:02):
Remember that party I told younot to go to.
James Crosslin (52:06):
We're gonna want to move, uh, mrs president I
wonder if it can be seen by likeinfrared, because this is in
2014 and like there was allalready.
We we had a lot of like greatgadgets, but like the gadget
explosion of the last 10 yearsis fucking dramatic the the
access technology that thatpeople have.
(52:28):
You know, we could get infraredgoggles like in on the market
now for like a couple hundreddollars, which is crazy.
No, we wouldn't have that 10years ago.
Ryan Baron North (52:40):
Well, we would have entire seasons of our STD
demon sex show based on what wesee it in Can other people see
it.
What happens?
Like, if I scrape off certainparts of myself and leave it,
will he be attracted to anotherpart of it?
James Crosslin (52:53):
What is it in me that attracts the std demon
like let's try some shit here,uh we'd we'd have sex busters on
the street where we'd wherewe'd be like interviewing people
on the street.
Sir, can you see the sex demon?
Can you see the sex demon?
He's right, he's coming at me Ineed to answer actually kind of
quickly.
Okay, let's move down thestreet a little?
Ryan Baron North (53:16):
Can dogs and children see this ex-demon?
Are you telling me you're?
Going to fuck dogs, but youknow they have that extra
perception.
James Crosslin (53:28):
I think you just said you were going to fuck a
dog to see if he could see thedemon and then make that dog
fuck some other animal.
Ryan Baron North (53:37):
At that point the demon's gone.
James Crosslin (53:38):
We, we are gonna have a next, next season it was
like whoa this is good data Ithink I'm done chasing you does
the demon have the ability tojust say no?
Fuck this shit.
Ryan Baron North (54:01):
Jesus Christ.
I of course meant it in theterms of there's the concept
that, like dogs, can see ghosts.
James Crosslin (54:12):
Oh, okay, that makes more sense Jesus.
Ryan Baron North (54:18):
Christ oh fuck , there you go.
James Crosslin (54:25):
There's a 60 second clip to be taken out of
context the demon will back offif you're willing to do
something really heinous, likeyou gotta be fucked.
Ryan Baron North (54:36):
So yeah, like what happens when you bang a
corpse.
James Crosslin (54:42):
So the thing has footsteps.
It like has to go throughphysical objects.
So a dog would just hear it.
A dog would like hear it coming.
Ryan Baron North (54:50):
But what happens if I fuck my couch?
James Crosslin (54:54):
Like JD Vance.
Yeah, like JD Vance.
What if hear it?
Ryan Baron North (54:55):
coming.
But what happens if I fuck mycouch?
Uh, like jd vance, yeah, likejd vance.
What if I jd vance my couch?
Will it just throw itself atthe couch?
Can I bang?
Can I go to like a tj max andjust put an end to this fucking
thing?
James Crosslin (55:06):
I don't know.
We, that's, that's we'd beasking the important questions.
I think that I think that weboth, we both came to this
conclusion that we would, uh, wewould sign, we would try to, to
reason what it, what this thingwas, how do we stop it?
What is it vulnerable to?
Ryan Baron North (55:22):
only experiment they did was in the
water.
I mean we should have gonesteps further.
What happens if I advance thisfucking couch?
What'll happen next?
You know what happens at theMarianas trench?
What do we do with volcanoes?
Yeah, what happens when I, whenI talk to other people and I
form a network of peopleinterested in the sex demon that
(55:43):
I have proved because it's aphysical entity.
James Crosslin (55:46):
What if we shoot it into the sun?
Could we lure it into some kindof object that it can't destroy
and then shoot it into the sun?
Ryan Baron North (55:53):
Let's figure it out next on next season of
this fuck ghost.
Well, so did you have any quickfires to wrap this thing up?
James Crosslin (56:05):
You know I haven't been looking at my notes
the whole time.
I wrote a whole bunch of noteson this movie but I ended up
loving this movie so much that Iremembered most of my notes.
Let's see, I love the way that,uh, at the beginning of the
movie starts with her likerunning in a circle in the
middle of the street and it'slike luring the demon.
You know you could tell she'slike avoiding something you
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can't see.
I thought that was great.
Uh, these are just gonna be alot of cinematic things.
I noticed that in foreshadowingthey did the the squirrel
following the bird along thepower line really slowly and the
bird just kept hopping awayfrom it.
I was like, oh, they're doingsuch good imagery here.
I talked about Invisible man,how they had those sweet center
(56:48):
shots.
In this one they had out offocus people walking up in the
background.
They made you always on thelook for it.
Right, the way that they shotthis movie had you always
looking around yeah, and thatwas good, that was good yeah,
they did a.
It was this.
It was the fact that the camerawas so still and that there
weren't always characters inframe that, even when it, even
(57:10):
when there was nothing you werelike is it, is it out there they
made you feel that feeling,that she felt as a character.
Yeah, I said I would have askedright away if the girls in the
hallway could see the old lady,like when she was at the school
and it showed up the lady in thegown.
(57:30):
Someone would be like you.
I would have immediately beenlike you, see her no, okay
that's not good no, that means Ishould move.
Ryan Baron North (57:40):
That means I should move I said she should
have.
James Crosslin (57:43):
Uh, if she was gonna let it loose, she should
have gone to like the republicannational convention.
Uh, they definitely had innerinternet porn in 2014.
Why does this guy have like apile of porn magazines in his
abandoned shack?
Ryan Baron North (58:00):
they definitely did, for sure, um
yeah I.
James Crosslin (58:04):
I wrote have they tried shooting it?
And then right after that Iwent yep yes, they did uh, uh,
let's see.
Uh, I was like the thing movesthree miles per hour max.
You need to drive 20 miles awayand then time how long it takes
to get to you let's start theseexperiments now.
Ryan Baron North (58:28):
Let's find its land speed.
Does it change by incline?
James Crosslin (58:32):
we need to know yeah, I said it's bullshit that
it starts moving really fastunderwater, that that kind of
ruined my idea of of goingacross the ocean.
It moved so fast in that pooland they like hid that.
They hid that fact like it didnot want to go in the water.
I think I they because he saidthe demon, he said it wasn't
stupid, he said it was slow butnot stupid and I think the
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monster didn't want to give upthe fact that it moves fast in
water.
I didn't think it wanted us toknow.
Ryan Baron North (59:05):
And that would be a fantastic episode for our
sex demon reality show.
James Crosslin (59:10):
Yeah, yeah, I don't think it wanted them to
know that it was fast and water,but let's see, I I also loved
that.
You never know if you can seethe monster, like we learn in
those two shots that I wastalking about together, where we
see the monster as her friendwalking up, and then it, and
then it points back to herfriend.
(59:30):
You see her, the same friend,sitting on, laying on the beach,
and then it goes back to micahmonroe and you think that maybe
she sat down.
You know, maybe it was justshowing her going to sit down
and uh, and then her hair startsto float up.
I was like, oh shit, they've,they've taken our lens of the
movie that we took for granted.
(59:51):
You know a sense of normalcythat we took for granted.
You know a sense of normalcythat we took for granted, uh,
and they turn it around on us sowell.
I thought it was great.
Ryan Baron North (01:00:00):
Yeah, overall, then, I would say this was a
good film.
Yeah, for sure.
And since we are coming to theend here, I would just like to
let our viewers know that, hey,if you are ever being tracked
and hunted by a sex demon, swingby an Ikea and let out your
inner JD Vance and let us knowhow long it takes to kill a
(01:00:22):
couch.
James Crosslin (01:00:24):
But really, if you're being tracked by like a
sex demon, call us.
Yeah, we'll figure it out withyou.
Call us, yeah, you don't haveto.
Ryan Baron North (01:00:30):
Yeah, you don't have to fuck anybody.
You don't have to force yourconsequences on someone else.
We're interested.
We're in the market.
Let's figure this out.
We'd be excited.
James Crosslin (01:00:40):
We'd be incredibly excited to do this
with you.
Ryan Baron North (01:00:42):
This would be like a life-changing experience.
James Crosslin (01:00:44):
These people in these horror movies are fucking
idiots.
Like there's people waitingaround the world like, oh, you
gotta be fucking kidding me.
I'll drive to where you areright now and we'll figure this
out.
Ryan Baron North (01:00:55):
Yeah, hell yeah, we will fuck that entire
IKEA for you.
Man, we'll get this figured out, so hit us up.
We're High and Dry Podcast.
You're one source for slayingsex demons.
James Crosslin (01:01:05):
I thank you all for listening, bye, bye.
Hey everybody, welcome to High and Dry Podcast
, the only podcast left keepingalive the fandom of Bully
Beatdown.
Do you remember that one?
James Crosslin (00:10):
I don't remember that one.
That's one that I don't evenremember Now.
That's obscure.
Ryan Baron North (00:19):
The whole concept was this dude, this like
semisuccessful mma fighter,created a reality show, or he
was.
He was tagged for the realityshow and he would find people
people supposedly wrote in thatthey were getting bullied and
then he would force this bullyto fight another moderately
(00:42):
successful MMA fighter in thering.
James Crosslin (00:47):
Ah, so it was like a pick on someone your own
size kind of show.
Ryan Baron North (00:51):
That was sort of the message of it, yeah.
James Crosslin (00:56):
But also one of them's like a trained fighter
and the other one's not.
Ryan Baron North (01:00):
Correct and it was always like some guy who
truly believed supposedlybelieved that you know he could
take on anyone and they would dothe whole reality behind the
scenes like yo, my name's joeyand I am his bully.
I'm proud of it I bully anadult man I bully an adult man,
(01:23):
and then Mayhem would come inand make short work of them with
his roster of MMA fighters whoreally need this paycheck.
And that was the concept.
James Crosslin (01:38):
I didn't see this one at all.
Ryan Baron North (01:39):
This one totally passed me by that's not
the worst thing that's everhappened to you, for sure.
James Crosslin (01:48):
Well anyway, I feel like I missed out on a part
of uh, on a necessary part oflearning not to be a bully.
Ryan Baron North (01:55):
Yeah, no, and you know it follows you to this
day, but uh, anyway, folks.
So I'm your host, ryan BaronNorth, with me as always.
James Crossland, we aren'tgoing to be talking about Bully
Beatdown.
What we're going to be talkingabout today is it Follows, and
we're going to do it in thismagical three-part method where
first we're going to dive intothe film, we're going to do a
little breakdown, then we'regoing to jump onto the golden
(02:18):
path and discuss those moreenlightened thoughts on the film
and then, finally, we're goingto do a what if?
Scenario and insert ourselvesinto the movie.
And what makes it so magicaland fun is that we're going to
be doing it drunk and high.
So, james, what are you smokingthis week?
James Crosslin (02:35):
I'm smoking Acapulco Gold again.
I bought like an ounce ofAcapulco Gold and in March or
something, and I'm still workingon it I can't smoke it fast
enough.
Even though I smoke like two orthree times a day, I cannot
smoke this weed fast enough andso you have and so it's an ounce
(02:55):
, so an ounce, so, so an ounce.
Think of it like it's about ifyou were to lay it out flat.
It's about if you were to layit out flat.
It's about an inch thick andabout like an eight inch by four
inch plane.
And it's an inch thick, so it'squite a bit of weed and I
(03:17):
thought I would have gottenthrough it by now.
I've given some away to people,I've smoked it with friends,
I've rolled up joints and givenit to people like really burned
through it, like I don't know,keeps following you.
It's so good it doesn't takemuch to get fucked up.
It's like one of the.
It's like one of the.
Uh, it's one of the strainsthat cheech and chong did a
(03:38):
movie about.
Like it's a really good strain,okay, um, I think I'll be
smoking this until the end ofthe fucking year, man, well, hey
.
Ryan Baron North (03:51):
It just keeps coming back.
I throw it out and then it'swaiting for me in the bedroom.
James Crosslin (03:57):
It's a great strain.
I'm not mad at it.
It's always there.
It's like an endless bag ofweed.
It's pretty cool but alsovariety for the show, Not
getting much.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
Well, for variety, I've decided to switch it up
this week.
Most people know that I'll bechugging whiskey on here like
crazy.
But, for whatever reason, thesupernatural force of it Follows
got me thinking of men from the60s, and so for that I'm going
to be drinking a vodka, martiniokay I'm using three parts
(04:32):
belvedere, right there, and onepart vermouth, and that's going
to get you that, martini, mymicrophone's about to be pissed
at me, but it's not that bad nowyou put it under the table how
do you put it under the table?
James Crosslin (04:48):
like it sounds?
It sounds it's not blowing outyour mic or anything we're good
to go and we'll crack this open.
Ryan Baron North (04:55):
Yeah, getting vodka all over my desk, nice,
but yeah, so that's just threeparts your vodka, one part your
vermouth and it comes out nicelittle martini right there.
So I'll take that down over thecourse of our three starting
shots.
Excellent.
So this first one, our firstshot, first hit.
(05:19):
Uh, this one's going to go outto our film.
It it follows Cheers.
James Crosslin (05:25):
Cheers.
Ryan Baron North (05:28):
It follows, my vermouth is a little dry.
James Crosslin (05:39):
I don't prefer that dry of a martini, but it'll
do in a pinch.
What would you do to make itless dry?
Add more vodka.
Ryan Baron North (05:44):
Well, so I have a change.
So I mean you could add like uh, if you want to do like a lemon
drop, you'd add, um, somesimple syrup, uh, squeeze a
lemon in there.
It kind of gives it thatsweeter thing for a traditional
vodka.
Martini, you have to be, yeah,you, you have to be down for
alcohol, Cause I mean this isjust alcohol.
James Crosslin (06:04):
Yeah, yeah, alcohol, because I mean, this is
just alcohol, yeah, yeah.
So did you put?
Did you?
Did you shake it with ice, isthat?
Ryan Baron North (06:10):
what I heard is that there's ice in there you
shake it.
So you're gonna do it with astir.
But you know, if james bondtells you to do something, you
got to do it and so I take it.
So our second drink, our secondtoast second this one goes out
to our newest listeners inExeter, devon, devon, like
(06:31):
England, yeah.
Or we also have some fromZacatecas.
Zacatecas, I don't know.
James Crosslin (06:40):
Type it in the chat.
Type it in the chat reallyquick.
Wait, how's it spelled?
Spell it out.
Ryan Baron North (06:45):
Zacatecas.
James Crosslin (06:47):
Like Mexico.
Ryan Baron North (06:48):
Yes, so Z-A-C-A-T-E-C-A-S.
James Crosslin (06:54):
Yeah, zacatecas yeah.
Ryan Baron North (06:56):
Yeah, cool.
So here's to them.
So down the hatch Cheers.
Wow, I have nothing.
To soak up this desk vodka cool.
James Crosslin (07:10):
Our audience is so international.
I love that people just listenfrom random places.
That's super.
That's super cool.
Thanks for listening people ohand uh.
Ryan Baron North (07:20):
So this, this final toast, this final, I guess
, goes out to passing on yoursexual trauma to those around
you.
James Crosslin (07:30):
Cheers.
Ryan Baron North (07:38):
All right, well, I am ready to go.
That was a lot of alcohol.
James Crosslin (07:50):
All right, let's do it.
Ryan Baron North (07:53):
All right, all right.
Who am I?
What are we doing?
All right, so All right.
James Crosslin (07:58):
So it's 11 am.
It's 11 am, we're talking aboutit follows.
Ryan Baron North (08:03):
I just swallowed a bowl of vodka.
Let's do this so it follows.
So part one let's dive on in.
So, james, what were your, whatare your sober thoughts on the
film before we lose it?
James Crosslin (08:16):
my sober thoughts in the film.
So I'd like to talk about myhistory with this film a little
bit.
So this film came out in, Ithink, 2014.
Yeah, um, I missed it.
It missed me entirely.
I'd heard about it.
Uh, I heard it was good.
I heard it was like a lowbudget film.
Um, I heard that and you know alot of what I heard about this
(08:39):
movie talked about the theme oflike a sexually transmitted
disease was.
What I heard was like the themonster was a sexually
transmitted disease, and so Icame in with the con with that
concept in the back of my mind,because there's no way I can
avoid it.
Someone told me it andtherefore it's there forever.
(08:59):
I can't escape it.
Um, so I couldn't ignore itgoing into the movie that I knew
what it was about.
Yeah, that being said, I didenjoy the movie.
I have some contentious.
I'm contentious about the ideathat it's a sexually transmitted
disease.
We can talk about that when weget to the golden path, probably
(09:23):
, but I thought that this moviewas, uh, I thought this movie
did some really fun cool things,kind of like invisible man,
where they had some, you know,wide shots, that where the
camera was stationary.
It's that still from onevantage point, and then people
moved in and out of frame, which, you'll notice, doesn't happen
in movies a lot, where a camerasits still and people, people
(09:45):
move out of frame, that youfollow a character.
That's like.
That's like going against film.
You know our standardconceptualization of filmmaking
to keep a camera sitting in onespace of people, to leave they
just left the movie, we have noidea what they're doing, and
then they come back or don't.
Um, and I thought that it did areally good job making us like
(10:07):
a passive observer.
Uh, you know it also made us,as the audience, feel stuck.
You know that we had noinfluence, that we couldn't even
follow these characters.
You know it, they did someamazing things out of necessity
with their filmmaking that ledto really cool shots that were
really engrossing.
Ryan Baron North (10:28):
Okay, no, solid, okay, um, yeah, for me,
uh, sober thoughts, my quicklyevaporating sober thoughts, that
, uh, that fuck is goingstraight to my brain.
I would say I did enjoy themovie.
This is I think this is thesecond time I've watched it,
when we decided to do it forthis show and yeah, I think I
(10:52):
enjoyed it this time more than Idid the first.
I don't know if I was just morecritical back in 2014 or what
the deal was, but I enjoyed itmore the second time.
James Crosslin (11:05):
I feel like you've grown as a person.
Do you think that had somethingto do with it?
Ryan Baron North (11:09):
it could be, it could be for sure, but yeah,
I would say that I am lesscritical, for sure less
contrarian, yeah more empatheticand I also did, yeah, more
empathetic and I I also did findthe creature itself to be very
(11:32):
uh unsettling.
James Crosslin (11:35):
Yeah, it was really unsettling.
Ryan Baron North (11:36):
I agree, yeah, it was very unsettling.
I I appreciated the creature.
I, you know, enjoyed that sideof it.
I did find it to be be, yeah,it was just an unnerving
creature which was kind offascinating in its own way, and
so much so that I did look up tosee if the the writer had
pulled it out of folkloresomewhere, like is there, do we
(11:59):
have std demons somewhere in thearchives?
And no, I guess he just he hada dream about it and I wasn't
able to find anything beyondthat.
So I I did like the creativityof the creature and, yes, I
thought that was that was prettycool and it did remind me of
smile a lot yeah, yeah, it'sdefinitely trauma-based.
James Crosslin (12:22):
Um, yeah, and you do pass it from one person
to the other, but I guess in in,smile, uh, they, they die.
You have to die to pass it onright yeah, yeah, you're gonna
die, so that part or I guess you, I guess that one guy killed
someone else, right, that oneguy killed someone else and and
(12:43):
pass the trauma on that way.
Um, but we'll talk.
We'll talk about this in thegolden path, because I this
analogy is really I don't.
I want to talk about theanalogy more in depth.
Ryan Baron North (12:56):
Yeah, I do too but yeah, overall though I yeah
, it was a solid film yeah, Ithought it was.
James Crosslin (13:03):
I thought it was a really good film.
It had me on the edge of myseat most of the time, despite
this thing just movingincredibly slowly.
I especially liked the scenewhere they were sitting at the
beach and her hair starts andyou see her friend slowly
walking behind her and then themonster goes invisible, like
(13:27):
like we never know what ourperspective is, but when it
lifts her hair up, I thoughtthat was a great scene.
When it, when the like thedemon was proved to be real or
whatever it it was, I liked thatscene a lot.
Ryan Baron North (13:39):
I thought it was really good and that was
interesting, that.
So at first you assume it'sjust a presence, right, that
it's like infected your head,it's like the disease itself,
yeah.
But then you realize that no,it's an entity, it's like a
physical thing.
It's a physical thing that youcould only see once you've
(14:00):
banged the right person.
I mean, they even clip it onceLike they hit it.
James Crosslin (14:05):
Yeah, oh they hit, they, they, they hit it
several times, like they, likethey shoot it like three or four
times.
Ryan Baron North (14:12):
Yeah, people who weren't infected by it can
interact with it.
Yeah, yeah, I found that reallyinteresting.
That was an.
That was an interesting portionof it, something that I wasn't
expecting, anticipating, so thatwas interesting yeah.
James Crosslin (14:34):
I'm not sure if that makes it more or less scary
, less scary for me, but wemight want to move that to the
golden path also.
I feel it approaching anyway.
Ryan Baron North (14:46):
Well, did you have any?
James Crosslin (14:47):
final thoughts that you wanted to throw into
your sober.
Look at this film.
Micah monroe's great.
I thought she was an excellentprotagonist.
I thought she did a death, Ithought she.
I thought she portrayed like,uh, detachment and then like
horror, and then detachmentagain, like this, this wavering
between these feelings.
Really well, I think she's areally great actress.
Ryan Baron North (15:09):
No, I thought so too.
That's a good point.
She did.
I mean, well, it's obviously abit of more of a golden path,
thought there, yeah, let's justmove into it now.
James Crosslin (15:21):
Yeah, let's just get to the golden bed.
Ryan Baron North (15:22):
It's time.
So, but with yeah, let's justmove into it now.
Yeah, let's just move into thegolden path, it's time.
But with that being the case,since we're moving onto the
golden path, it's time for ourfinal shot, final hit.
James Crosslin (15:31):
Nurse that one.
Ryan Baron North (15:35):
No, okay, but it's just a little bit of vodka.
James Crosslin (15:42):
Don't you have to do a thing after this?
Ryan Baron North (15:45):
Oh, I'm going to the movies.
James Crosslin (15:49):
You're going to be, yelling at the screen.
Ryan Baron North (15:55):
What's a movie out here in Missouri without
some drunk yelling at the screen?
They just put me in thatsection.
If you do get thrown out of amovie theater, you have to tell
me, like when you buy a ticketat a movie in missouri they say,
(16:17):
sir, are you inebriated?
Should we put you in the drunkscreaming section?
And I was like yeah, obviously,obviously oh, all right.
So here's to the golden path.
Uh, as written.
I, I like love.
(16:40):
I, you know, I love bourbon.
Obviously I, I can definitelymess up some tequila.
I do not know why people likevodka.
Really I like vodka.
I can't get down on it.
I mean, I just knocked out fourshots of vodka here, but it's
just not my thing anymore.
(17:01):
Yeah, that's fair.
I remember I started with it.
But, um, also an interestinglittle little liquor tidbit,
while I'm thinking about themartini and everything like that
.
So people started drinkingmartinis and vodka in the 60s
and 70s, um moving into the 80seven, because they didn't want
(17:21):
to be like their parents, whowere mostly drinking whiskeys,
and that turned in in the 60s,70s and 80s.
Whiskey was an old person'sdrink, right, and now, um,
whiskey's coming back as thedominant liquor and it's just
always this cycle of people notwanting to do what their parents
(17:44):
did in these small, irrelevantways.
James Crosslin (17:49):
Yeah, Is that?
Yeah, that might be the key toit.
I don't know.
Ryan Baron North (17:53):
Yeah, I mean.
Well, so I mean that was the uh, the cause of the 60s, 70s, uh,
vodka boom.
It's why James Bond drinksvodka martinis, um, when clearly
he's a whiskey man, you thinkso.
James Crosslin (18:15):
I thought he was absinthe Doubting absinthe.
Got his wormwood.
Ryan Baron North (18:26):
Little spoon pours the sugar, sugar pours it,
likes the sugar pours it over,could you?
Imagine that he's sittingacross the table from Vesper.
He's sitting across the tablefrom Vesper and he asks.
He requests the spoon and asugar cube and starts gently
working the liquor over theyhave.
James Crosslin (18:43):
they bring out a case and he meticulously sets
everything up.
They show the whole thing.
It takes like two and a halfminutes and he drinks it.
Ryan Baron North (18:59):
She's like what the fuck are you doing?
You think this is real wormwood.
It's like a japanese teaceremony that he just needs him
to sit there every time he wantsto drink oh god, oh, if, uh,
yeah, if the new bond that's thefirst thing he fucking does
(19:24):
bust out, his absence set, oh,I'm gonna be so pissed there
will be a lawsuit.
Oh so, anyway, it is time toget on the golden path.
All right, let's talk aboutthis movie.
So, james, what are your goldenpath?
Thoughts on it follows uh,golden path.
James Crosslin (19:42):
Thoughts on it follows.
Well, first, you know we talkedabout the sexually transmitted
disease, kind of allegory.
Uh, it doesn't really work forme for a few reasons, you know.
I it's because, uh, it'sbecause, like the, when you pass
on.
Well, I should explain forpeople who may not have seen
this movie.
It's possible.
Yeah, this movie wasn'tincredibly popular.
(20:04):
It was popular among, like,film nerds and then a bunch of
other people, the.
The consensus among regularmoviegoers was that it was slow
and boring.
Um, but film nerds liked it andwe like it.
You know, story nerds, yeah,people who like the art of, of
cinema.
So I'll explain.
(20:24):
So, in this movie, this womanplayed by micah monroe, a young
woman, uh, ends up going outwith a man and having sex with
him and like like a hookup inthe back of a car and he drugs
her and he attaches her to awheelchair and, uh, and you're
and I thought that was reallysurprising.
By the way, I was like whoatook a, took a huge leap at that
(20:47):
point.
I was like I was like I thoughtit was just gonna.
I thought she was just gonnaleave and then we were gonna
discover it over time.
No, the dude fuckingchloroforms her, ties her to a
wheelchair and, like, shows herthat this, this, uh, this entity
that takes the shape of, ofsomeone you may or may not know,
continuously walk slowly towardyou.
Ryan Baron North (21:10):
Now that you're the person who's taken
this curse by having sex withthem and it's generally not how
it can a uh, hey, fuck, I lostthe word that vodka hit me hard.
But yeah, it's generally nothow a date ends when things are
going fine for you, everyone'sdown and, yeah, everyone had sex
and stuff and I was like yeah,we had sex and all of a sudden,
I was like chloroformed likewhat.
(21:31):
What more was I supposed to do?
James Crosslin (21:33):
and I and I was like man that that guy did it,
he had sex with her, he gave herthe demon.
I knew the concept of the movieand I was like, damn, now she's
just gonna have to, she's goingto be thrown into this knowing
nothing.
And I was like, oh oh, no, itgot worse, this thing on.
And so they had some sympathyfor the victim, which is not
(22:11):
usually the case in horrormovies, um, which I thought was
really good, uh.
But the thing about this isit's not like an std, because
you don't get rid of your std bygiving someone else your std
and you don't get rid.
You don't get rid of your STDby giving someone else your STD
and you don't get rid of your.
You know, you don't put offyour sexual trauma by giving
(22:31):
your sexual trauma to someoneelse.
That's not how that works.
Ryan Baron North (22:36):
Yeah, no, and that's a good.
So those are the two main.
So I did a brief sort of lookto see how other people felt and
how they tried to break it down.
It's always those two.
It's a STD or a sexual trauma,but like that's, that's not
necessarily what we're talkingabout here.
There's more to it.
James Crosslin (22:56):
I think that what this is meant to represent
well, whether intentionally orunintentionally, to me, when I
look at this allegory, what Isee is the pushing off of
responsibility and consequences.
That's what this sexual demonis.
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The sex is just the means thatpeople are willing.
I think the message that I seeis that people are willing to do
whatever it takes to avoidconsequences.
Yes, it's, uh, it's that.
It's not about the sex.
Sex is something that peopleare willing to do.
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They're willing to be coercedinto.
They're willing to injure otherpeople without their consent.
Ryan Baron North (23:46):
If they're willing to do that, they're
willing to do anything there andand kill them indirectly you
know, yeah, no, and I that wassomething I appreciated about
this as well was look, if you'repassing that off, if you're, if
you're passing the buck, you'renot doing the right thing.
(24:06):
Right, yeah, at all, and I'llget more into what I would do
personally in the third part.
But of course you're not doingthe right thing.
And what was wild was theprotagonist decided in the end
not to do the right thing eitherright there, there were some
attempts, uh, to see what theycould do to kind of stop it to,
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to deal with these sorts ofthings.
But, like you were saying, like, hey, the consequence of this
action is you're about to bemangled by an invisible creature
, right?
And instead of just like allright, it's time to get mangled
or.
James Crosslin (24:45):
Or it's now or I now have to spend my life
avoiding it or, yeah, spend mylife running, but no, like, nope
.
Ryan Baron North (24:53):
Let's see.
What's wild about that also iseven once you pass off the buck,
you still have a life of.
Did it get back to me?
Right?
You know you can't, just youknow even what was wild was that
the guy in the beginning whogives it to her went back to
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live with Ma.
James Crosslin (25:15):
Yeah, right, he just went home.
He went.
His big plan was I'm gonna goto the next town over and then
I'm sure it'll never show up atmy door yeah, that was what he
was.
Ryan Baron North (25:30):
Easily they tracked him down like that that
was pretty quick.
James Crosslin (25:35):
Yeah, he expected her to be dead already,
I guess.
But he no.
He said he expected her tosurvive, so he just thought she
was gonna do all the runningaround he was passing off the
consequences to someone hethought could handle it, even
though he proved he could handleit.
He should have taken theresponsibility instead of
shoving it onto another person.
Ryan Baron North (25:56):
And then just go home to live with Ma.
And well then, there was alsothe interesting part of the, the
young man who was obviouslyenamored by our protagonist from
the beginning.
And there there's aninteresting thing to say about
individuals who are willing, outof this desperate need for
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connection or this desperateneed for whatever it is,
whatever your trauma is, to beso willing to take on someone
else's damage for the sake ofthat gratification.
James Crosslin (26:34):
Well, it's consequences is what it is, and
I think that consequences, youknow, when we talk less about
damage and about things thatdefine a personality or
something, you know that's whatthe movie I think was trying to
say was about damage and stuff,but in the end it came back to
something else.
Right, it's the taking ofresponsibility and I think that
does, or consequences, reallyNot responsibility, it's
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consequences and and I thinkit's okay for someone to take
someone else's consequences.
That happens a lot you know it'ssomething you're willing to do
for someone else, it can be anexcellent thing yeah uh, well,
and the reason why I bring it upyeah, yeah, you got to be
informed which he was he was, hewas, he was informed, he gave
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consent to what was happening hedid give consent, and but then
it begs the question of herwillingness to allow this guy to
take on those consequences.
Ryan Baron North (27:31):
Right, and and I mean that for for anyone, I'm
not saying gender specific oranything like that, but just a
willingness for us.
Because for me, if I was in ourprotagonist's place and I have
this young boy who's just sodesperate to appease me, he's
like yo, let's fuck man, I'lltake your consequences.
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I'll be like I can't let you dothat, homie, I'll be like I
can't let you do that, homie.
James Crosslin (27:59):
That's definitely a consideration.
I think the movie has an excusefor that.
I think the excuse is that whenthey were fighting the creature
at the end, he couldn't see it,and it made everything really
hard.
What he said was I want to helpyou and defend you from this
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thing, no matter what.
I'll be here until it kills me,right?
I want to be able to see thething.
Uh, and that's why she had sexwith him.
It's it's also implied near theend that he goes and passes it
on to a prostitute?
Ryan Baron North (28:35):
no, he goes and bangs a bunch of hookers and
that immediately calls his, butso were the guys on the boat.
James Crosslin (28:43):
Yeah.
So here's the question.
Here's what I think they weredoing with that scene.
I think they showed us thatscene with her and the guys on
the boat and we were latersupposed to see him as a
counteraction to that.
I don't think he, his was thesame that he banged those
hookers.
Ryan Baron North (29:02):
I don't think he did but I don't know, I think
.
I think, I think together youhad these young adults saying,
like well, if we were trying toget this thing so far away from
us, what part of the populationwould we give it to?
And they're like well,obviously, the girls on the on
the corner are it's going to bepassed off within so long.
But but even then, if you haveany level of foresight, you
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would know that hey, this, uh,this particular prostitute is
going to have sex with a John,that's his wife, he's going to
have sex with his wife and thewife's gonna die, the john's
gonna die.
It goes right back to the, tothe prostitute who I guess the
hope is she keeps having sexevery day, and it goes to the
new john the new wife, the newjohn the new wife, the new john
(29:48):
the new wife, which is uh prettyterrible, which is yeah, yeah,
but that, but that's maybe.
James Crosslin (29:55):
That's just the question it's asking.
We got confirmation that Mikeand well, we never got
confirmation that Mike andMonroe did the boat thing.
We actually never gotconfirmation of that.
But that's the question, right.
When it comes down to it andyou see an opportunity to shove
off your consequences and havesomeone else suffer them, would
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you do it, do you do it?
And and, and.
Whatever we think of a person,when that opportunity comes up
and you see that option,sometimes you, in a moment of
weakness, take it.
Ryan Baron North (30:34):
Honestly, take it honestly.
So I think that that is thebest possible segue we could
have to our third portion ofthis episode, where we are going
to insert ourselves into thisfilm.
We're going to see what we dodifferently.
We're going to put some drugsand alcohol in it, throw it into
the mix, shake it up like avodka, martini, let's see what
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happens.
So, so I mean, james, would youlike to answer your own
question on like, would you do?
James Crosslin (31:02):
it would I do what I do, what?
Ryan Baron North (31:05):
so you've been inserted so you've been
inserted into.
It follows you were on a datewith this attractive young thang
.
Everything was going great, itwas totally consensual, but then
they still fucking throw thechloroform on you like homie.
You didn't have to do that, wewere down.
Is this just a little game?
(31:28):
Um, because if it is, I'm intoit.
But that's the consent.
James Crosslin (31:34):
That's the consent thing right we didn't
actually get into that in thelast portion, so much.
We should have talked about itmore well, well, I mean what if?
Ryan Baron North (31:43):
are you insulted by the lack of consent
of the chloroform?
James Crosslin (31:46):
yes, I am.
I'm insulted by the lack ofconsent, because maybe this guy,
if he had just been like, allright, this is fucking crazy.
There's a big demon and it's,there's a thing that's chasing
me and he like, he takes videowith his phone.
Everybody has a fucking camera.
He throws a sheet over it orsome paint or something and it
takes a video and he's likelisten, there there's a demon,
(32:09):
it's chasing me, I can see it.
You can only see it if you havesex with me.
Who wants to have?
He can post this online.
You can put this on instagramand people would be like yes, I
will have sex with you and thenI will see the monster.
Ryan Baron North (32:22):
And soon we would have a bunch of people who
could see this monster andfucking fight it, and we could
work together on this thing andwe're all brought together by
the fact that we have fucked asuh, a person in the line, yeah,
and once we kill the monsterwe're gonna have a party.
James Crosslin (32:39):
It's the fact that everyone consented.
That's the thing is that bindspeople together, like the two,
like the couple at the end.
It's the consent that there wasan understanding about what was
happening.
It was totally truthful.
You didn't feel you had to hide.
You know the reality of thesituation.
For whatever reason, um, uh,they shared, whatever these the
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burdens of consequence of things, a thing she didn't ask for
because she didn't give consent.
Right, she didn't give consent.
She was facing a consequence.
She didn't deserve that someoneshoved off on off on her.
But together, with both of themconsenting, they face it
together.
Ryan Baron North (33:20):
Well, I did have a question about that for
you.
So the final scene, you know wesee this guy who finally gets
to have sex with the girl thathe's been eyeing since an hour
and a half ago.
He goes off and it's heavilyimplied that he has sex with a
prostitute, and then they'resort of holding hands down the
street and to me excuse me, Ithought, cause coming back to me
(33:45):
it seemed like he was stillmore into it.
We just the way they wereholding hands and she was like,
if this guy's willing to take onmy consequences, cool, maybe.
James Crosslin (33:56):
Yeah, I way they were holding hands and she was
like, if this guy's willing totake on my consequences, cool,
maybe, yeah, I, I I may agreewith that that at the end, you
know, when they held, she alwaysseemed kind of uh, really mad
about him, yeah and uh.
But perhaps she appreciatesthat he is her companion, that
(34:18):
he's willing to do a lot for her, and there are relationships
like that in real life.
I don't.
I don't think Micah Monroe is agood character.
I don't think she plays a goodperson.
I think she plays just a normalperson.
A person, right?
Yeah, she's just a normalperson.
Normal person, a person, right?
Ryan Baron North (34:41):
yeah, she's just a normal person who is, who
is imperfect, a deeplyimperfect, without a doubt.
Well, so let me, let me bringit back around.
You have been infected by thisparticular consequence std demon
yeah, I do all the things.
James Crosslin (34:54):
I say wait, no, I'm sorry, what do you do?
Finish your question.
What do you do?
Okay?
So one of the notes I wrotedown immediately was like can
you fuck the demon to death?
And then I learned very quicklythat that, no, the demon fucks
you to death.
Uh, so that one that thatsolution didn't work out.
(35:15):
Um, let's see.
So I said the thing about justgoing on instagram and building
a community of of it hunters.
Uh, I think that I think thatwould probably be.
You know, there was no scienceinvolved.
Like I said, she's not like anamazing person, she's not like
the best person, she's not likethe most genius or whatever.
(35:37):
She's just a normal personwhere the fuck was like the
tossing paint on it or powdersor they throw a sheet on it at
one point.
Why the fuck wouldn't you carrya sheet everywhere like, uh, uh,
uh, just some silly string, youshoot silly string on the
fucking thing.
I would call, I would figureout how to show people that the
(36:00):
demon was walking around, andthen I would call a news station
and I'd be like look at this,what the fuck is going on right
now?
Do you see this shit?
Speaker 3 (36:12):
This is not a.
James Crosslin (36:15):
We'd have top minds on it immediately.
There's an invisible creaturewalking down the street.
Ryan Baron North (36:22):
I've discovered a new slice of the
universe as we understand it.
There are invisible sexcreatures out there and we need
to get to the bottom of it.
Let's get down here, boys,seriously, well.
Well, I'm glad you brought thatup because I I would be doing
very similar research like you.
(36:43):
You would see a submersibledrop down on the far side of the
marianas trench and I'd bedressed like jacques custeau and
we're gonna watch to see howthis creature gets to me via the
Marianas Trench.
James Crosslin (37:01):
I thought I had the same exact thought.
Man, like you, gotta do sometiming stuff.
It's actually physical, so youcan be aware of exactly when it
hits checkpoints.
You might be able to attachsomething to it to track it.
Maybe you can put a bell on thething.
Has anyone tried to put a bell?
Ryan Baron North (37:21):
on it.
Well, let's experiment hereLike it's a dangerous experiment
.
But we have people who studysharks.
All right, we do.
And so now I know that there'sinvisible STD demons.
You know damn well, there'ssomething inside the Marianas
Trench.
Let's see how my STD demonstacks up against it.
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How does an ancient megalodon,take him out.
I'm very excited to find out.
James Crosslin (37:49):
Can you get it to walk into a volcano?
What happens when it falls?
In a volcano Because it felldown when it got shot what if it
gets Terminator 2'd or regularfirst Terminator crushed, molten
, steeled?
Ryan Baron North (38:08):
and there's a popular meme, I guess would be
about the deal you make whereyou get to live forever, but as
make where you get to liveforever.
But as soon as you choose tolive forever, a snail begins its
journey towards you.
And if the snail ever touchesyou, your uh life ends.
James Crosslin (38:31):
Okay, and.
Ryan Baron North (38:33):
I didn't know about that.
James Crosslin (38:34):
That sounds like an exact analogy of this
monster.
Ryan Baron North (38:37):
That is what it exactly was.
And so there's jokes about howyou know you've lived, you know,
happily for so many hundredyears, and all of a sudden your
son's like hey, I found thissnail outside.
Or the world explodes and it'sjust you and the snail.
The snail fires off theopposite direction from the
earth and you fire off the otherway.
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And now you have to just driftthrough space for eternity.
But it's just taking theconcept and adding like, hey,
hey, there's other options here,we don't just have to go down
to the red light district.
And and another thing, likedude, if, if that's your plan
was to get with just aprostitute and see what happens
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don't do it in Detroit fly toThailand.
Well, like, give the like,don't go five blocks down.
Yes, five blocks down is theproblem.
James Crosslin (39:36):
like fly to thailand, like, if that's the
plan, let's make it a plan,let's make this work right go to
I guess, if you wanted, I guessif you wanted to observe it
tomorrow, five miles away,wouldn't be a bad plan.
If you're like, I want to knowwhat happens tomorrow yeah, I
guess that's not a bad plan,because who knows how long it
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would take to get to thailandright?
Ryan Baron North (39:59):
but but that's not what they were trying to do
.
Even the guy who gave it to her, he just wanted to pass it off
to a girl that lives in thetri-county area, yeah, and then
go back to live with his momlike, oh, she's gonna deal with
that, it'll be fine, there's noway it's gonna catch her.
Like dude you, you hop onspiritcom.
(40:20):
You're gonna just take a singlecarry-on because you can't
afford the other baggage.
You're gonna fly as far as youcan go to their red light
district and see what happensthere when?
James Crosslin (40:35):
you know, I just had a question, I just had a
thought.
You know, when he said that shecould handle it, she could
handle this thing, was heessentially saying that she was
willing to do any she?
Ryan Baron North (40:47):
he saw in her the willingness to do anything
to survive if he was, if that'swhat he was saying, he wasn't
wrong.
He wasn't wrong.
Yeah, that and that's aninteresting point okay, because
if that's what he was saying, hewasn't wrong.
James Crosslin (41:05):
Yeah he was also , but but he was a piece of shit
he should.
He should have been killed.
They should have shot him forbeing a piece of shit.
They should have shot her forbeing a piece of shit he should.
He should have been killed.
They should have shot him forbeing a piece of shit they
should have shot her for being apiece of shit.
They all, they should all diefor being pieces of shit well,
that's another thing I mean solike I.
Ryan Baron North (41:24):
so I got my jacques costeau submariners
thing on and I just witnessedthis creature leap across
mariana's Well it seems to movefaster in water.
James Crosslin (41:36):
Yeah, it seems to move a lot faster.
Ryan Baron North (41:38):
It would move a lot faster in the pool we
watched this thing.
At one point it had to bust awindow and slide in.
James Crosslin (41:47):
That shit was so funny, I laughed out loud.
I laughed out loud when hebroke the window and heaved his
body over all stiff into thewindow His stiff legs flopped
over and he used like a rock.
Yeah, that shit was so fuckingfunny man.
Ryan Baron North (42:06):
But me, as her , as the new protagonist
watching this, I'd be like waita minute.
Wait a minute, first it'sinteracting, wait a minute.
First it's interacting with thephysical world.
Second, it needed the physicalworld.
Yeah, it didn't pass throughthe window on its own.
It didn't punch through theglass.
James Crosslin (42:24):
Right, which is which I thought was funny.
It breaks the shed.
Later it like explodes the shed.
Ryan Baron North (42:30):
Yeah, so like so.
Then I'm noticing all loads theshed with yeah, so like so.
Then I'm noticing.
James Crosslin (42:40):
All right, we got some variables in this
particular experiment.
Yeah, as me and james cameronare working on the documentary
of this thing, this, this, it,this, it demon is weak against
glass but strong against wood.
How do we build?
How are we building the cagefor this demon?
Ryan Baron North (42:52):
we're, yeah, we're doing some shit here we're
doing thick glass.
We're just gonna do some somebulletproof impact resistance
glass and we're just watchingand it and one of the benefits
of it not being a shark if itescapes that glass enclosement I
just gotta walk at a powerwalker's pace.
This thing is not fast, yeah,but it can huck tvs at you if
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you're in the water but, butessentially this tvs.
James Crosslin (43:24):
That's right, it was, it was you know it had a
good arm.
It did a good arm, it waspretty accurate.
Um but uh.
But you know, this is kind oflike the story of an evil entity
getting trapped in a relic,like if you do that if you like,
trap it last prison.
It's like a relic, and thensomeone's gonna find it
eventually and then all of asudden, you're gonna have this
(43:47):
reborn demon that no one knowsanything about because everyone
affected by it has died, andit's going to be like a hell
raiser almost, kind of uh uh,you've created a prison for this
thing that's going to get that.
Someone's going to release itat some point.
Ryan Baron North (44:01):
They're going to find it you know, hell raiser
is not a movie I want to diveinto, oh my god, but anyway.
Oh, those are so bad, but um no, and so well.
My question for you then,because this is the what if?
portion, and you know we've goneinto what the characters should
do.
So you just you just gotwheelchaired.
(44:22):
All right, yeah, this he lookslike he was trying to start his
own grunge band.
Bring it back.
Did all those things?
What are your first actions?
Like, how does it changeimmediately compared to it
follows 2014?
.
James Crosslin (44:40):
Well, I think I really.
I think I think I really did it.
I think what I said before isreally what would happen is like
I'd I'd be afraid of this thingand I'd keep running from it,
right, and but I'd try to learnabout it.
They really didn't try to learnabout it at all.
There was no effort made tolearn about it, which I thought
was very, very weird.
(45:03):
Yeah, but also kind of normalfor people.
Do you think so?
I think so.
Uh, I think that I've met a lotof people who aren't really
interested in learning about thethings they interact with.
Uh, you know, not to be toopersonal, but someone recently
(45:25):
was told that, uh, the, uh, thethings on the top of that, that
that bind soda cans together,that they, if you throw them out
, they can get stuck around thenecks of animals and the limbs
of animals, and then, and then,in response to that, they're
just like well, I'm not going todo any of that.
(45:46):
It's like I'm not going to, I'mnot going to cut that, all you
have to do is cut the rings.
And they were like ah, all youhave to do is cut the rings.
And they were like I don't care, I'm not really interested in
learning about that or doingthat yeah.
Yeah.
Ryan Baron North (46:00):
Yeah, yeah.
James Crosslin (46:01):
Which happens?
It happens People make costvalue decisions of the things
that they're going to, of theway they're going to approach
problems but that kind of sucks.
Ryan Baron North (46:20):
Yeah it, it does.
Um, no, that's a good point.
So and so, and well, I thinkthat's a good point.
Just on the horror genre ingeneral, the horror genre, among
compared to any other genre, isthe first one where you're
going to get this.
What would you have done?
And and everyone's always likewell, obviously you don't do A,
b and C and all that kind ofstuff, and that's, yeah, that's
one thing to say when you'resitting there on the couch
(46:43):
shoving your face of popcorn,but it's rarely what we see in
practice, right?
James Crosslin (46:52):
So, so how would I?
I?
Ryan Baron North (46:54):
I would have turned around right there and
it's like no, you wouldn't have,you would have taken that
hatchet to the face yeah, yeahmaybe I've known you for a while
maybe I would not have beenable to beat the monster back to
the car.
James Crosslin (47:08):
Maybe I'm too out of shape.
Maybe I'm too out of shape tomake it back to the car before
this.
Ryan Baron North (47:14):
This monster is moving three miles per hour
max just got both hands on yourknees, holy shit I mean not
everyone out there is running 5k, you know not everyone out
there can power walk for fiveminutes and and most people who
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are commenting on horror filmsdo not know if they fight,
flight or freeze.
So it's like who are you, who'syour average viewer to say so
then, if you took, if you wereto take, uh, if we were to take
honest looks at ourselves, howwould it be different?
Would it be different?
James Crosslin (47:59):
I think I'm a fleer.
I'm not a fighter.
I would flee, but that's thething about fleeing is
specifically with this thing.
It buys you more time.
Speaker 3 (48:10):
Yeah, it's like, yes, that works out Great.
James Crosslin (48:13):
Freezing and hiding is not a good solution.
Fighting the thing keeps comingback.
They shot it in the neck, itwent down and I went, like I
audibly I said, oh, they clippedit.
I was like this opens up somany possibilities yeah well, uh
well, and it's so.
Ryan Baron North (48:31):
everyone always just goes into fight or
flight.
There is a third, and the thirdone is freeze.
James Crosslin (48:37):
There's a fourth one.
Oh, what's the fourth?
The fourth is to fawn.
So like come on, demon, it'sokay, we don't have to fight
like this.
Ryan Baron North (48:47):
That might be even more useless than freeze.
James Crosslin (48:51):
That would be the worst one than freeze.
Ryan Baron North (48:57):
Uh, that would be the worst one.
Well, I, I've been in, uh,certain training situations
where you know we're going overfight, flight or freeze, and you
know you're talking toinstructors and things like that
, and they're like, look, I canuse a fighter, I can use a
flighter, but if you freeze, youprobably picked the wrong job.
You shouldn't be here right now.
Um, and so, yeah, flight can bejust as useful as as fight, and
(49:17):
it might be more useful in thissituation.
Yeah, and I don't think eitherof us would freeze, I don't
think we'd freeze?
James Crosslin (49:26):
no, we've, we've .
We've been in situations thathave called for immediate
attention and we went intoaction one way or the other yes,
yeah.
Ryan Baron North (49:35):
So I I can honestly say neither of us are
going to be a freezer or afawner yeah, I've been known
from fun from time to time, butprobably not in this situation
not in the life or deathsituation.
Yeah, no, so yeah, I, I would, I, I could.
I feel like I could safely sayand agree that if either of us
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were placed into this film, itwould become more of a
paranormal research I could seethe like early 90s and we both
have, like you know, the musicand we put on our safety goggles
and our lab coats.
James Crosslin (50:18):
It's got us holding up beakers.
Ryan Baron North (50:27):
We've been doing it for 10 fucking years
and just say I'm Ryan.
Hey, I'm James and we've beenbeing chased by st demon for the
past 10 years and we're here tounlock the secrets let's dive
in we've got our.
James Crosslin (50:45):
We've got.
You can see on our map here andit's like it's a digital map
and there's just a beeping, noton the map.
You can see the demons righthere.
Right now it's in the midst,near Sioux Falls.
Ryan Baron North (51:00):
We had him low jacked on week one.
James Crosslin (51:04):
A hundred percent.
Ryan Baron North (51:06):
That was the first fucking thing we did was
low jack this motherfucker.
James Crosslin (51:11):
You get the transmitter.
All right, people, when you'regetting chased by the sex team,
you get it.
You get a transmitter, you putit on a pole, something sharp at
the end.
You get a little eye hook.
Put it around the sharp part.
You shove it into the demon,get it really up in there.
You don't want it to like, youreally don't want it to pop off
when it's dragging itselfthrough a window or down a stair
(51:32):
, is or banished or somethinglike that we've had that happen
before you gotta get it up inthere we get uh.
Ryan Baron North (51:40):
We have, uh, fucking presidential
appointments as the preeminentauthorities on the std demons,
uh.
So we, like you got uh.
The next president is in apress conference and you see one
of us come up and whisper intotheir ear like, hey, the st
demon uh, within a mile of youright now.
(52:02):
Remember that party I told younot to go to.
James Crosslin (52:06):
We're gonna want to move, uh, mrs president I
wonder if it can be seen by likeinfrared, because this is in
2014 and like there was allalready.
We we had a lot of like greatgadgets, but like the gadget
explosion of the last 10 yearsis fucking dramatic the the
access technology that thatpeople have.
(52:28):
You know, we could get infraredgoggles like in on the market
now for like a couple hundreddollars, which is crazy.
No, we wouldn't have that 10years ago.
Ryan Baron North (52:40):
Well, we would have entire seasons of our STD
demon sex show based on what wesee it in Can other people see
it.
What happens?
Like, if I scrape off certainparts of myself and leave it,
will he be attracted to anotherpart of it?
James Crosslin (52:53):
What is it in me that attracts the std demon
like let's try some shit here,uh we'd we'd have sex busters on
the street where we'd wherewe'd be like interviewing people
on the street.
Sir, can you see the sex demon?
Can you see the sex demon?
He's right, he's coming at me Ineed to answer actually kind of
quickly.
Okay, let's move down thestreet a little?
Ryan Baron North (53:16):
Can dogs and children see this ex-demon?
Are you telling me you're?
Going to fuck dogs, but youknow they have that extra
perception.
James Crosslin (53:28):
I think you just said you were going to fuck a
dog to see if he could see thedemon and then make that dog
fuck some other animal.
Ryan Baron North (53:37):
At that point the demon's gone.
James Crosslin (53:38):
We, we are gonna have a next, next season it was
like whoa this is good data Ithink I'm done chasing you does
the demon have the ability tojust say no?
Fuck this shit.
Ryan Baron North (54:01):
Jesus Christ.
I of course meant it in theterms of there's the concept
that, like dogs, can see ghosts.
James Crosslin (54:12):
Oh, okay, that makes more sense Jesus.
Ryan Baron North (54:18):
Christ oh fuck , there you go.
James Crosslin (54:25):
There's a 60 second clip to be taken out of
context the demon will back offif you're willing to do
something really heinous, likeyou gotta be fucked.
Ryan Baron North (54:36):
So yeah, like what happens when you bang a
corpse.
James Crosslin (54:42):
So the thing has footsteps.
It like has to go throughphysical objects.
So a dog would just hear it.
A dog would like hear it coming.
Ryan Baron North (54:50):
But what happens if I fuck my couch?
James Crosslin (54:54):
Like JD Vance.
Yeah, like JD Vance.
What if hear it?
Ryan Baron North (54:55):
coming.
But what happens if I fuck mycouch?
Uh, like jd vance, yeah, likejd vance.
What if I jd vance my couch?
Will it just throw itself atthe couch?
Can I bang?
Can I go to like a tj max andjust put an end to this fucking
thing?
James Crosslin (55:06):
I don't know.
We, that's, that's we'd beasking the important questions.
I think that I think that weboth, we both came to this
conclusion that we would, uh, wewould sign, we would try to, to
reason what it, what this thingwas, how do we stop it?
What is it vulnerable to?
Ryan Baron North (55:22):
only experiment they did was in the
water.
I mean we should have gonesteps further.
What happens if I advance thisfucking couch?
What'll happen next?
You know what happens at theMarianas trench?
What do we do with volcanoes?
Yeah, what happens when I, whenI talk to other people and I
form a network of peopleinterested in the sex demon that
(55:43):
I have proved because it's aphysical entity.
James Crosslin (55:46):
What if we shoot it into the sun?
Could we lure it into some kindof object that it can't destroy
and then shoot it into the sun?
Ryan Baron North (55:53):
Let's figure it out next on next season of
this fuck ghost.
Well, so did you have any quickfires to wrap this thing up?
James Crosslin (56:05):
You know I haven't been looking at my notes
the whole time.
I wrote a whole bunch of noteson this movie but I ended up
loving this movie so much that Iremembered most of my notes.
Let's see, I love the way that,uh, at the beginning of the
movie starts with her likerunning in a circle in the
middle of the street and it'slike luring the demon.
You know you could tell she'slike avoiding something you
(56:26):
can't see.
I thought that was great.
Uh, these are just gonna be alot of cinematic things.
I noticed that in foreshadowingthey did the the squirrel
following the bird along thepower line really slowly and the
bird just kept hopping awayfrom it.
I was like, oh, they're doingsuch good imagery here.
I talked about Invisible man,how they had those sweet center
(56:48):
shots.
In this one they had out offocus people walking up in the
background.
They made you always on thelook for it.
Right, the way that they shotthis movie had you always
looking around yeah, and thatwas good, that was good yeah,
they did a.
It was this.
It was the fact that the camerawas so still and that there
weren't always characters inframe that, even when it, even
(57:10):
when there was nothing you werelike is it, is it out there they
made you feel that feeling,that she felt as a character.
Yeah, I said I would have askedright away if the girls in the
hallway could see the old lady,like when she was at the school
and it showed up the lady in thegown.
(57:30):
Someone would be like you.
I would have immediately beenlike you, see her no, okay
that's not good no, that means Ishould move.
Ryan Baron North (57:40):
That means I should move I said she should
have.
James Crosslin (57:43):
Uh, if she was gonna let it loose, she should
have gone to like the republicannational convention.
Uh, they definitely had innerinternet porn in 2014.
Why does this guy have like apile of porn magazines in his
abandoned shack?
Ryan Baron North (58:00):
they definitely did, for sure, um
yeah I.
James Crosslin (58:04):
I wrote have they tried shooting it?
And then right after that Iwent yep yes, they did uh, uh,
let's see.
Uh, I was like the thing movesthree miles per hour max.
You need to drive 20 miles awayand then time how long it takes
to get to you let's start theseexperiments now.
Ryan Baron North (58:28):
Let's find its land speed.
Does it change by incline?
James Crosslin (58:32):
we need to know yeah, I said it's bullshit that
it starts moving really fastunderwater, that that kind of
ruined my idea of of goingacross the ocean.
It moved so fast in that pooland they like hid that.
They hid that fact like it didnot want to go in the water.
I think I they because he saidthe demon, he said it wasn't
stupid, he said it was slow butnot stupid and I think the
(58:56):
monster didn't want to give upthe fact that it moves fast in
water.
I didn't think it wanted us toknow.
Ryan Baron North (59:05):
And that would be a fantastic episode for our
sex demon reality show.
James Crosslin (59:10):
Yeah, yeah, I don't think it wanted them to
know that it was fast and water,but let's see, I I also loved
that.
You never know if you can seethe monster, like we learn in
those two shots that I wastalking about together, where we
see the monster as her friendwalking up, and then it, and
then it points back to herfriend.
(59:30):
You see her, the same friend,sitting on, laying on the beach,
and then it goes back to micahmonroe and you think that maybe
she sat down.
You know, maybe it was justshowing her going to sit down
and uh, and then her hair startsto float up.
I was like, oh shit, they've,they've taken our lens of the
movie that we took for granted.
(59:51):
You know a sense of normalcythat we took for granted.
You know a sense of normalcythat we took for granted, uh,
and they turn it around on us sowell.
I thought it was great.
Ryan Baron North (01:00:00):
Yeah, overall, then, I would say this was a
good film.
Yeah, for sure.
And since we are coming to theend here, I would just like to
let our viewers know that, hey,if you are ever being tracked
and hunted by a sex demon, swingby an Ikea and let out your
inner JD Vance and let us knowhow long it takes to kill a
(01:00:22):
couch.
James Crosslin (01:00:24):
But really, if you're being tracked by like a
sex demon, call us.
Yeah, we'll figure it out withyou.
Call us, yeah, you don't haveto.
Ryan Baron North (01:00:30):
Yeah, you don't have to fuck anybody.
You don't have to force yourconsequences on someone else.
We're interested.
We're in the market.
Let's figure this out.
We'd be excited.
James Crosslin (01:00:40):
We'd be incredibly excited to do this
with you.
Ryan Baron North (01:00:42):
This would be like a life-changing experience.
James Crosslin (01:00:44):
These people in these horror movies are fucking
idiots.
Like there's people waitingaround the world like, oh, you
gotta be fucking kidding me.
I'll drive to where you areright now and we'll figure this
out.
Ryan Baron North (01:00:55):
Yeah, hell yeah, we will fuck that entire
IKEA for you.
Man, we'll get this figured out, so hit us up.
We're High and Dry Podcast.
You're one source for slayingsex demons.
James Crosslin (01:01:05):
I thank you all for listening, bye, bye.
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