January 17, 2024 • 48 mins
Join us, Ryan Baron North and James Crosslin, as we toast to the indelible Michael Landon and fight to survive the terror of John Carpenter's "The Thing." Grab your favorite tipple or toke, and get cozy as we weave through a tapestry of family values and survival instincts, with a nod to our friends in Glasgow for hitching a ride on this global podcast journey.
Strap on your snow boots and parkas; we're dissecting the grit and sheer willpower of Wilford Brimley's character amidst the Antarctic unknown, and tipping our hats to his off-screen diabetes management—a true testament to life imitating art. But it's not all frostbite and insulin; we're peeling back the layers of Keith David's mesmerizing performance and debating the timeless question, "What would Kurt Russell do?" as we examine the often baffling decisions made by the characters when confronted with an intergalactic foe.
Finally, let's probe the philosophical mind-benders and epistemological conundrums "The Thing" lays bare, from the solipsism of Russell's character to the laughable '80s tech predictions and the bone-chilling biology of an alien organism primed for planetary domination. Ready to confront the inescapable? Laugh in the face of cosmic dread with our darkly humorous outlook on fighting the good fight—or perhaps throwing in the towel when the universe sends shape-shifting extraterrestrials our way. Tune in to the High and Dry Podcast, where the lines between sci-fi thrills and existential thought experiments blur, all while getting wasted.
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Ryan Baron North (00:00):
Hey everybody, welcome to High and Dry Podcast
, the only podcast keeping alivethe fandom of Little House and
the Prairie.
And Michael Landon, welcome.
Thanks for joining us.
I'm Ryan Baird North with me,as always.
James Crosslin, james, what'shappening?
James Crosslin (00:16):
Not much, just really excited to talk about
Little House and the Prairietoday.
Yeah, it's a good one.
Ryan Baron North (00:23):
Yeah, I'm more excited about talking about
Michael Landon, just in general.
Just in general, I feel hehasn't come up enough lately
especially in the podcast.
James Crosslin (00:33):
Well, he's been dead for a while, I think.
Ryan Baron North (00:36):
Yeah, well, anytime I think of anybody who's
passed on, I think of Coco, andI worry that, because I haven't
talked about him, he's beingdragged further into the
afterlife, and so I got to keephis memory alive via my podcast.
James Crosslin (00:55):
Well, he did do a lot of great.
Like all of his shows were onesthat my family watched
religiously.
Well, I don't know aboutHighway to Heaven, but Bonanza
and Little House on the Prairie100% my family loved those shows
.
Ryan Baron North (01:08):
Nice.
Well, we just bought him alittle extra time in the Coco
Underworld.
So there you go, michael Landon, enjoy.
So you, who are just joining usfor the first time, never heard
this before, were you?
We talk pop culture,entertainment, philosophy, all
that fun stuff.
We're going to dive into thething, the film, the thing from
(01:31):
1982, but we're going to do itwhile drunk and or high.
So that being the case, james,what are you smoking today?
James Crosslin (01:39):
So I, for even after we texted each other about
doing this, I totally forgotthat we were doing it, and so I
already smoked on a little undera half a gram today, but I'm
still going to go hard.
Today I've got one I've nevertried to do tried, called
Oakstradam OG, I assume it'sgrown in like Oakland and it's
(02:05):
all supposed to be like anAmsterdam.
I guess I have no idea what thefuck.
It's a really stupid name, butI'm going to try it.
Ryan Baron North (02:16):
Cool.
Well, I'm excited for you.
I'm going to be joining youwith Makers Mark Whiskey, don't
have the bottle with me.
I put my shit in the decanter,the glassware going on over here
behind the scenes.
James Crosslin (02:30):
So that way you can tell, you can tell anybody.
Ryan Baron North (02:35):
It's any type of whiskey in there, you could
lie.
James Crosslin (02:40):
They just accept it because it's in a decanter.
Ryan Baron North (02:43):
That's right, I'm class and even brought, so I
have a countered up earlier.
I have eight different sets ofmy whiskey glasses.
Today I'm going with theexecutive, so that's nice.
But yeah, so Makers Mark, Ithink that's 40 horsepower if I
remember correctly.
But the tried and true, let'stry it.
Sometimes it's on sale, andthat's when I pick it up.
(03:03):
It was and I did.
So this first one is going outto the movie today the Thing by
John Carpenter, cheers.
James Crosslin (03:15):
Cheers.
Oh yeah, I'm supposed to smokethis Cheers.
Ryan Baron North (03:22):
Oh yeah, I did know that we had this coming up
, but it was lunchtime, I drankanyway.
James Crosslin (03:31):
Yeah, got it.
You got it to get through theday Nowadays.
Ryan Baron North (03:36):
It's a mess, it really is.
James Crosslin (03:41):
It's like an alien's out here pretending to
be dogs and people and shit.
It's too much.
Ryan Baron North (03:50):
So the second one, now that we're officially
back on the air, this will beour second run around.
That goes live next week.
Well, no, that's going to beRebel Moons next week, but he's
listening now.
It doesn't matter.
So this second one goes out toour newest listeners.
These ones are in Glasgow.
I don't know how we keephopping to other countries, but
(04:14):
we're making it happen.
James Crosslin (04:17):
I think they're going to be mad that you called
it Glasgow.
That's what it says it'sGlasgow.
Ryan Baron North (04:24):
Oh, fuck that, it's whatever I say.
James Crosslin (04:32):
We can't understand you.
We can't understand you whenyou talk anyway.
Ryan Baron North (04:38):
Get fucked Cheers.
Here's to Glasgow Cheers man, Idon't know what's going on Like
I'm drinking more than ever,but I need to practice my no
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face making when taking a glassof wine.
No face making when taking myounce and a half.
James Crosslin (05:09):
Yeah, you don't, you don't like you, you know
you're being very real, which isthat which is where you go.
Ryan Baron North (05:20):
It's very real .
Well, so, for this third one,well, what's it to?
For this third one, I'llpractice my no reaction, I don't
know.
James Crosslin (05:30):
Well, this last one, that is to me not making a
reaction when I take a drink.
Ryan Baron North (05:36):
If you're watching this on YouTube, you
actually get to see if I pull itoff.
So here we go.
Cheers.
James Crosslin (05:40):
I'll not have a reaction either.
Ryan Baron North (05:42):
Cheers, I felt the top lip move up a little
bit, but I don't think it wasthat bad.
I'll review the tape later.
Yeah, I'll review the tapelater.
James Crosslin (05:57):
Yeah Right, put a comment.
Ryan Baron North (06:00):
Just leave us a comment and tell, tell Ryan if
he didn't make a face Like so Ido the little, I sip all the
time, but I'm not just sittingat the house busting shots, so
you know, oh well.
Anyway, now that we've so we'vegotten our hits, we've gotten
our shots it's time to get intothis show.
So we're going to be talkingabout John Carpenter's the thing
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and we're going to break itdown.
Right now we're going to gointo our sober thoughts, then
we're going to move into ourenlightened thoughts, once the
drugs and alcohol have had achance to work their way into
their system, and then, finally,we're going to do some what ifs
.
We're going to throw us intothe thing and we're going to see
what we could do that KurtRussell was incapable of.
(06:43):
So, james, sober thoughts thething, what are you feeling?
James Crosslin (06:50):
Sober thoughts on the thing.
I think that it's a it's kindof it's kind of a play on the
locked room, you know, kind ofit's almost like a stage play.
Ryan Baron North (07:06):
The.
James Crosslin (07:06):
Thing where the core of its tension and the
driving force of the plot areactually interactions between
people.
You have a looming threat, butit's a lot of.
This movie is just people talkand not trusting each other and
trying to come up with solutionswhen they're presented with
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problems, and that's a very likestage play thing.
There could be a the thingstage play, and I bet it'd be
kind, I bet it'd be pretty good.
Ryan Baron North (07:33):
Well, I'm actually I'm working on that as
we speak.
James Crosslin (07:40):
But I'd say that you know, in the presentation I
felt like they did a reallygood job of.
You know they did a lot oftight shots.
You know it's I'd say it'scomparable to alien in a lot of
ways, where they make, theyforce you to be inside in this
enclosed space.
You know they have peoplewalking, they have, they have
these you know, deep shots ofhallways and people coming
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towards you or leaving.
You know the focus of thecamera frequently and it's
really tight.
They have people coming throughdoorways a lot because just to
show that every room is kind ofsmall, they don't have a lot of
space and they're all stuck here.
I feel that it's a really goodjob driving the tension and the
while the the props are limitedby the time they were made.
(08:28):
You know the technology justwasn't there.
They're very unique, you knowand yeah, they're memorable, and
I think that's one of the moreimportant things when you're
doing, when you're looking at amonster movie, is is it
memorable rather than is it likephotorealistic or something?
(08:49):
Yes, and, and the same guy whodid the props for this also did
the props for total recall, andI had watched total recall
recently.
We're going to do an episode onit.
I'd watched it for the firsttime, really as an adult and
straight through, and Iinstantly noticed that it was
the same person.
I looked it up, I was like whodid the who did the props?
(09:12):
Because they're so, they're sofamiliar and both of those films
have, like really unique,recognizable props that are
dating but so memorable.
Ryan Baron North (09:22):
Yes, see, I I thought right away that we were.
I was looking at Kronenbergstuff, which wasn't the case,
the dude who did the fly and allthat kind of stuff.
But but now that you think, Ithink about it, the styles are
pretty distinct.
But the thing he had such a wayof I was like using tubing he
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found in his garage to make itdisgusting and I thought it was
especially, you know, limited.
By the time I thought it was afantastic job and that in.
But as far as my sober thoughts.
So I've always been a fan ofthe thing.
I've seen it a lot.
So Reese Merritt we've had onthe show a few times.
(10:09):
He actually came with me onetime when they were doing a
re-screening in Las Vegas.
So I've even seen the thing intheaters and I've always enjoyed
it.
For me it's right next to, it'snext to Alien, which we did an
episode on Alien.
James Crosslin (10:26):
All the way next to Alien right next to it.
Wow, yeah, and that's highpraise.
Ryan Baron North (10:33):
Yeah, we had high praise for Alien, for sure.
So, yeah, if you guys could goback and listen to the episode
we did on Alien.
We didn't much care for Alien 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7.
James Crosslin (10:47):
I'd have to watch them again, but I watched
two pretty recently and maybe Idon't know, maybe I was just off
on how I was feeling or notapproaching it very well, but I
thought it was a fucking joke.
Ryan Baron North (11:00):
Well, but something to think.
Though I appreciate thedistinct personalities that are
there, it seems to me likefucking Wilfred Brimley is the
only one who actually has a jobthere.
(11:21):
The rest of them just kind ofdrink or roller skate, so I
don't know what to say aboutthat Kurt Russell.
James Crosslin (11:34):
Kurt Russell's the pilot.
Ryan Baron North (11:35):
He's a pilot right, he does a helicopter
pilot.
Yeah, yeah.
James Crosslin (11:39):
So he does end up flying the helicopter, yeah.
So actually I think the otherguy, what's his name?
Fuchs or something.
Ryan Baron North (11:49):
Yeah, fuchs, fuchs.
James Crosslin (11:52):
He didn't he take the samples of the ice and
like I think I mean they didhave some people do some science
shit yeah it's very vaguelytouched on, but at the same time
you know that's a good thing.
Ryan Baron North (12:03):
You know you have a story to get to, what's
the chase and how do we cut toit.
And they did that.
James Crosslin (12:10):
In Rebel Moon, we would have just watched them
do their jobs yes, for like anhour.
Ryan Baron North (12:15):
Yeah, and God bless Rebel Moon.
You know there are farmers andevery scene was just a to B.
How do we get back to farming?
Let's talk about crop moisturelevels, let's.
Let's get to where we need tobe.
By the way, I used to be afascist and everyone's like oh,
okay.
Well, hold on, let me talk foran hour about that In Rebel Moon
(12:39):
.
God damn it.
So, oh well, so yeah, so thoseare my my thoughts on it.
I enjoy it.
I love the atmosphere.
I thought the atmosphere isgreat.
I like the personalities thatare represented in it.
I did feel like Wilford Brimleywas the only one with a job, or
(12:59):
at least he took his jobseriously, which is impressive,
because he's combating diabetesthe whole time and he doesn't
let that, you know, interfere.
James Crosslin (13:09):
I don't I'm just looking as they let him go to.
Ryan Baron North (13:11):
Antarctica.
James Crosslin (13:14):
Very true.
Ryan Baron North (13:15):
I don't think we get insulin down there,
brimley, are you sure?
He said no, I actually distillmy own.
So other than that though, yeah, I was I'm waiting to see what
my enlightened thoughts are.
Did you have any final soberthoughts?
James Crosslin (13:33):
Oh no, those are long gone.
Ryan Baron North (13:35):
Oh, they've left the building All right?
Well then, in that case, Ithink it's time to move on to
the second portion of this.
Let me shuffle around myglassware.
I'm going to need another shotbefore we get into our
enlightened thoughts.
Is Wilford Brimley still doingokay?
James Crosslin (13:59):
I don't know.
No, definitely not.
He's, he's 100% dead.
Well, shit.
Ryan Baron North (14:08):
I just spared him from another cocoa style rip
into this underworld too.
James Crosslin (14:15):
That's true.
He died August 1, 2020.
So he was like trapped at home.
Ryan Baron North (14:24):
Okay, well, that sucks.
Well, this one's to WilfordBrimley.
Cheers, Cheers to WilfordBrimley.
That was the one, that was theone, so I forgot the key to it.
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So, for those of you listeningand wondering how you too could
drink like a well functioningalcoholic and not let it affect
your face, you have to take iton the tongue slow, that's,
that's what you got to.
Let it roll down.
You can't just choke it.
You got to roll it down Really,save for the flavor of your
(15:06):
maker's mark that was on sale atcost cutters, that's it.
James Crosslin (15:14):
That was, that was erotic.
Ryan Baron North (15:19):
All right.
Now that we're all aroused anda little further down the road
and Wilford Brimley's beenspared from cocoa hell, let's
get into our enlightenedthoughts.
So it's a James with drugsflowing.
What are your enlightenedthoughts on this?
James Crosslin (15:37):
My enlightened thoughts are thank God for Keith
David.
What a great actor.
And I thought he was great.
He's.
David, is like one of myfavorite actors, who pops up and
stuff.
Oh yeah, I absolutely love hislives.
Right, he was lils.
Hold on, let me look.
I can't remember the name.
(15:58):
I don't know their names.
Ryan Baron North (16:01):
I thought you watched it once.
James Crosslin (16:03):
His name is Giles.
Ryan Baron North (16:05):
Yeah, giles, that's right, that's right, I
would have known that in thesilver side.
I would have known that in thesilver portion, but we're beyond
that now.
James Crosslin (16:17):
Yeah, we're way past that, but he was really
great.
I gotta say Kurt Russell was agood actor in this movie, but he
played an absolutely insane man.
Ryan Baron North (16:30):
Yes.
James Crosslin (16:31):
He plays.
I feel like he's so typecast asan impulsive hothead who makes
like terrible decisions.
Ryan Baron North (16:41):
He escaped from New York like two years
just to wind up in Antarctica.
Like I mean, I'd be pissed offtoo.
James Crosslin (16:51):
And then he gets a job as a truck driver after
this.
The bomb didn't kill him.
Ryan Baron North (16:55):
Yeah, so, and he goes off and he's in San
Francisco, which I would love todo an episode on that now that
you bring it up, but pleasecontinue.
James Crosslin (17:06):
But he, I think that this is just a continuation
or maybe a defining, you knowfilm where he becomes an
impulsive, just a hothead, andlike the, when he fucking tells
Keith David, you know, when hetakes the gun and is like I
think someone more eventemperate should hold on to this
(17:28):
.
I was like I, I audibly went,he like he.
Ryan Baron North (17:36):
I remember the exact line.
James Crosslin (17:39):
He flew the fucking helicopter when they
were like it's two days tosupply this helicopter.
He's like I'm going out thereLike what are we looking for?
I don't know.
And then but.
But even like the opening ofthis, movie.
Ryan Baron North (17:51):
He murdered their only chess video game.
James Crosslin (17:55):
That's what I was going to say.
It's the opening of the movieis he loses a game of chess and
destroys a piece of machinery.
Ryan Baron North (18:06):
That's just even tempered right there, yeah.
James Crosslin (18:09):
I was.
I was like what the fuck areyou talking about?
Ryan Baron North (18:12):
See, I think even temperedness is relative.
He was intelligent enough andsocially conscious enough to
understand that any other man onthis installation, had they
have lost the chess game, wouldhave blown up the facility.
James Crosslin (18:28):
Yeah, that's.
That's just how Antarcticamakes you yes.
Ryan Baron North (18:33):
But to that point I will say I kind of and
it's interesting that you bringit up, and I think it's
important to note that we don'tknow how we'll be until we're
sitting there, and there'sdefinitely a part of me right
now, without getting too muchinto you know what was it going
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on in my real, non high and drylife?
Right now I'm, you know, I'mfinding myself in a place I
don't want to fucking be.
I have a you know, a developingdrinking problem, all those
sorts of things, and I feel justlike him, like I have tons of
experience, like in my career,you know, and I'm just so
(19:16):
fucking over it and I couldtotally kill that fucking chess
game right now.
At the same time, I would neverlet a single one of the
motherfuckers I work with havethe gun before me.
James Crosslin (19:31):
I believe you.
Ryan Baron North (19:34):
So I get it.
I get where he's coming from.
I understand.
James Crosslin (19:39):
I think that I think that this movie is
actually incredibly deepphilosophically and Kurt Russell
represents a solipsism.
You know where?
Ryan Baron North (19:47):
I was going to say that.
James Crosslin (19:55):
But please go on .
But for those who, who you know, aren't familiar with the term
solipsism, is this solipsism?
Is this idea where you are theonly source of truth?
Only your experiences and yourideas can be trusted.
You're the only thing withagency in the universe.
This is all just a constructionof of our minds and an
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expression of our minds toourselves.
And Kurt Russell, thinking thathe's the, that he's even
tempered, is like such a such asolipsist view.
It's like dude, you, you,apparently, you can only see
from your perspective.
Ryan Baron North (20:34):
Yes, yes, I well, I definitely see that.
Well, I'll see that and I'llraise you the epistemological
viewpoint of this particularmovie.
James Crosslin (20:49):
Let's go.
Ryan Baron North (20:51):
So let's talk about.
You know nature and the limitsof our knowledge.
No matter, no matter how longyou shove Wilford Brimley into a
storage facility and you don'talways you give him that magical
1982 computer program that wassomehow able to take a sample
and determine that the exactamount of time before the world
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is taken over 27,000 hours.
James Crosslin (21:20):
This is what I saw.
Ryan Baron North (21:23):
What I want to know is why did they, why did
they have that particularcomputer program?
They have chess, they havechess master, and how long it
takes for an alien entity toswallow the earth.
James Crosslin (21:36):
Those are the only two computers on board on
that stage.
Every computer single purpose,and those are the only two.
Ryan Baron North (21:46):
So if I was a Kurt Russell and Giles sitting
there and I'm putting thattogether and I'm Kurt Russell,
I'm like they gave us chessmaster.
And how long would it take analien entity to swallow the
earth on a deluxe floppy disk?
Why did they send us down here,Right, Like I feel like we were
(22:11):
set up.
I feel like we were set up, man.
Those would be my last question.
James Crosslin (22:18):
I always questioned this computer and why
it was here.
Ryan Baron North (22:23):
I mean, this is 1982.
It took us five guys to bringthat computer inside None of us
asked why we needed it.
James Crosslin (22:34):
So, yeah.
Who knows?
Ryan Baron North (22:40):
So I did appreciate the magical computer
program they have but to bringit back to my point, the whole,
the entire time is just theconcept.
Of our knowledge can nevertruly capture the full picture
of what's going on.
James Crosslin (22:59):
Right.
And I think that's reallydisplayed by the script, and I
think the writer had anepistemological crisis.
Ryan Baron North (23:12):
He was having some issues.
His life had just handed himthe divorce contract and he's
seeing shit on there that wasmaking him question everything.
James Crosslin (23:22):
And he just wished he had a program.
He was like what are theimplications that that one
single cell is all it takes forthis thing to survive?
What are the implications ofthat?
Ryan Baron North (23:33):
Whatever, people aren't going, to ask too
many questions and he just went.
There's a computer program forthat, but I think it definitely
puts it gives you an idea ofwhat the general public thought
(23:54):
computers were capable of atthat time.
Right, and what just well, andjust what researchers had that
wasn't on their Macintosh, youknow.
Yeah, it really definitelyshowed us the fantasy of
computers at that time.
James Crosslin (24:13):
Yeah, I agree, and I think that you know the
general public wasn't aseducated as they are now and I
know I know it's we say likeeducation's on a dip actually
now.
But I mean I feel like duringour period we got a pretty good
education.
We especially, like it, touchedon the higher concept, higher
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academic, you know courses thanthan conservatives would like.
They say it's like a waste oftime, but you and I know how,
like the structure of a cell,how cells work in a body, like
what's the?
size, the size of a cell, likewhat you know.
All of these things are thingsthat clearly weren't understood
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well during this time, becauseit just gets poo pooed that that
each of the this organisms,individual cells is is in its
own, an entire organism thatwill seek to survive and can
replicate.
Ryan Baron North (25:18):
Yeah, and with a general, just a very general
elementary knowledge of a cell.
That is fucking wild.
James Crosslin (25:26):
Yeah, that means that means the earth is
definitely like at, at whenever.
Whenever this thing gets towhere anything else is alive and
can and can really kick thingsoff, the earth is done.
It's just it's going to happenwhen the ice caps melt.
It's going to happen then it'sgoing to.
It's going to happen at somepoint in history that this thing
is going to come in contactwith life.
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That spreads it.
Ryan Baron North (25:50):
And that's just it.
Wilfred Brimley did not needthe computer program to
understand that it wasunnecessary.
That was that was just for thesake of the audience, yeah, yeah
, no, and that's a wild thing.
And so my last enlightenedthought and the thing I think I
think I appreciate excuse me, Iappreciate most about the film
(26:14):
is definitely the look at thewhole survival, our instinct to
survive, yeah.
James Crosslin (26:22):
Pushed into contact with a community, yeah,
that that's looking, you know,at its destruction and trying to
toe the line between being partof this group and then looking
out for, you know, number one,yeah, that's a great way to sum
(26:43):
it up, because and that's like a, that's like a, that's like a
locker room stage play rightExactly when people are stuck in
a place together, and it's allabout this showing how people
can have different philosophicalideals and how they can value
different things more, and howtrust is a tenuous balance.
It builds tension so well, andpeople have known that for a
(27:08):
long time, and it's been on thestage for a long time, Without a
doubt, and I think that will.
Ryan Baron North (27:15):
that'll definitely lend a lot to our
what if, because we're, you know, for our what if portion that's
going to come up here in aboutfive minutes we're locking
ourselves in this room and thenwe get to answer for ourselves.
You know, how would we reactwhen it really, straight up,
comes down to personal survivalversus the survival of your
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group.
And I wonder myself if therewas a better way for these guys,
if they could get overthemselves.
Was there a better way?
And I don't know.
I honestly I feel like this isthe perfect chance to jump into
our what ifs and just startworking through it.
James Crosslin (27:58):
Sure.
What are your thoughts?
Ryan Baron North (28:00):
Well, all right.
So if everyone, welcome to thethird portion of this podcast.
It's time to get into the whatifs.
So you know you're driving towork right now.
It's a Wednesday morning.
You're reaching for that bottleunder the seat you keep hearing
us take shots.
James Crosslin (28:15):
So we do not condone, yeah, yeah.
Ryan Baron North (28:19):
Look after numero one.
Yeah, you stuck down.
James Crosslin (28:28):
Listen, you're even tempered, all right.
Ryan Baron North (28:31):
Yeah, yeah, I'm even tempered.
I can drink behind the wheel,but your average person cannot,
so I can't condone it.
Look, I'm one of those specialtypes who becomes more safe as
he drinks, because he knows ifit's stay.
James Crosslin (28:50):
That was.
That was an episode of WKRP.
I don't know if you've everwatched that show, but it was
like a really fucking funny show.
That was like a.
That was like a really goodsitcom and they had a character
on the show who they did areaction timing test and as he
got more drunk he got faster andit was a.
It was a, it was a whole thingand it was.
(29:11):
It was a very funny episode,one of the few, that is fun I
remember that show.
Ryan Baron North (29:15):
That is funny.
James Crosslin (29:16):
People, people in the past were funny sometimes
.
I'll give them that.
Ryan Baron North (29:20):
Yeah, yeah, I'll always remember this time.
It was, it wasn't me, it wasthis one guy and another guy who
you got to get home from theparty somehow, and halfway
through the drive, you know,they realized that all right,
we've, we've gone too far, it'stime to hide in plain sight.
(29:42):
And they pulled into a tacobell and just rode the wave
through the drive through a tacobell and got the best damn
chalupas they've ever had intheir lives.
James Crosslin (29:55):
But anyway, take an Uber.
Take an Uber to the Taco Bell.
Ryan Baron North (30:02):
Well, the guy that I'm referring to, he was
riding shotgun, so whatever.
So it's time to get into thatthird part, it's time for our
what ifs, it's time to insertourselves into the thing, which,
by the way, I did also want tosay.
I have one final, one, finalheightened thought.
So the thing not a lot ofpeople know was not the original
(30:25):
.
It was based on the thing fromanother world, which was.
It happened in the 50s and, likethe thing from 1982, the thing
from another world did somethings with horror as well.
They obviously it was stillsome time away from body horror
that would be a little toointense for our, you know, post
(30:48):
World War Two people.
But what they did was,throughout every scene of the
thing from another world, theywould have characters opening a
door.
They'd be doing these samesorts of survival versus
community arguments and they'dargue while opening a door.
They would talk to each otheropening a door, passing through
it, and then, finally, when thething arrives, they open the
(31:12):
door and the thing is juststanding on the other side of
the door and it fucking freakedeveryone out.
They were still reinventing andinventing the jump scare, and
the thing from another world didit, and so they touched on that
, and now we're in 1982 whereWilford Brimley and Kurt Russell
(31:33):
and Keith David are taking in,taking the helm.
That was my last enlightenedthought right there.
James Crosslin (31:42):
So another thing I have to credit this movie
with is that I don't I don'tknow if you caught, if you
flagged this when we were taught, when I was thinking about,
like, what makes a good film andwhat makes a bad film,
something that's a little datedabout this is the scene when the
(32:06):
flamethrower, when KurtRussell's got the flamethrower
and the dude's head comes offand the flamethrowers like not
starting up.
Yeah, it goes on for like 30seconds and that's something
that we would not accept in filmtoday.
(32:27):
That was well.
That was well.
We will be hilarious.
Ryan Baron North (32:30):
I would argue right away with you, sir, that
we would rebel.
Moon by Scott Snyder showedthat audiences whatever, he lost
his first name, as far as Ihave to put now that piece of
shit.
But rebel moon showed us thatyou could just fucking do
(32:53):
whatever and as long as youcreated a horde of fans, it
don't fucking matter.
James Crosslin (32:58):
So yeah, and and again.
Another thing in that moviewhich I thought was very funny
was the explosions, like whenall the rooms, like we're having
, like when they were settingfire and explosions in each room
, every single room, and it wasvery funny well, there's my
(33:28):
first what if?
Ryan Baron North (33:29):
my first what if would be like hey,
level-headed guys, stop fuckingblowing up all the rooms, you
understand, we'll die.
James Crosslin (33:41):
I, I, I don't know what they were thinking
most of the time, and also thatthat scene with the explosions
made me think of.
Did you watch Garth Marengi'sDark Place right?
Ryan Baron North (33:54):
oh yes, yeah, I did.
Yeah, I'm a Matt Berry fan, soyeah yeah, so the where they
talk about.
James Crosslin (34:01):
You know just lengthening scenes out, you know
when they're talking aboutslo-mo in that one, but they're
like, they're like sometimes ourepisodes were up to eight
minutes short.
Everything was a candidate forslo-mo.
And it's like in this movie,like what they do with the
explosions and what they do withthe flamethrower, just like
extended, extended.
We don't have to not lie here.
(34:23):
It's just people talking.
You gotta put some shit inbetween.
Ryan Baron North (34:25):
Look all all that John Carpenter was doing in
1982 was walking so that ZackSnyder could run and have a
single swing of a hammer.
Take 135 seconds.
(34:46):
That's that's all that washappening right there.
That's all that was happening.
James Crosslin (34:54):
God bless, god bless.
Ryan Baron North (34:57):
Carpenter.
James Crosslin (34:59):
I've got a lot more thoughts, but we can move
on.
Ryan Baron North (35:02):
Yeah, 35 minutes 35 yes, it's time for
our what.
If so, james, you've beenplopped in.
You are an Antarctic recentresearcher with no discernible
knowledge of Antarctic research,except for a distinct style, a
distinct personality and adesire to live what happens oh
(35:27):
well, okay.
James Crosslin (35:28):
So I know for sure that there's no way that
we're going to live like justjust this thing walking around
like it.
If it's, if it's like buildinghuman parts and stuff and human
skin, the human skin likenaturally sheds so there's just
cells of this thing fallingaround and being kicked up in
(35:52):
the air, oh yeah, so like I feellike I feel like as a modern
human I know that this is kindof like.
This is a problem.
I have a zombie movies too is.
Is that zombie?
If the zombie blood is like hasa virus in it or something?
If people are running aroundwith a baseball bat or a machete
(36:14):
or something, you're throwingthe fucking virus all up all up
in the air and in your fuckingface and shit.
There's no way to avoid it.
I will, which is weird, becausethat means that the original
night of the living dead makessense more than like 28 days
(36:36):
later, because the originalzombies were here, because they
ran out of room and hell yeah,yeah so like yeah, don't go
crazy guys, don't try it like ifyou're not a scientist, don't
mix science into your fantasyyeah, like yeah, it is very
(37:02):
important because if you wantyour piece to be timeless, yeah,
it's important that you don'tget too technical about about
the, about the, the rules ofyour plane.
Ryan Baron North (37:17):
You want to make your rules simple and
understandable and essentiallyinfallible, but when you
reference, like real science,that are understanding changes
all the time, it's impossibleyeah, well, I mean, you and I
both know when have we everstruck someone as hard as we can
(37:37):
in the head with a bat and notbeen missed it?
James Crosslin (37:41):
it just doesn't happen yeah, yeah, I have to
change my my horror movie animalmask every single time because
there's evidence all over ityeah, and I?
Ryan Baron North (37:56):
I have to redo my sunscreen every time.
I won't step outside to beatsomeone with a bat without
sunscreen.
Uv rays are the death of skin,so it could burn you through.
James Crosslin (38:09):
It could burn you through the clouds.
Ryan Baron North (38:11):
Everybody knows that so well, so alright.
So you're what?
If so, you're there now.
You know you're gonna die.
That's, that's essentially whatis going.
I try to gas into the showerkeep David's there.
James Crosslin (38:33):
Oh yeah, he's, he's, he's a hunk man.
Keep David.
That deep voice is so like justinherently sultry.
He's got such in it.
He's got such an amazing voice.
It really does like and I don'tmean it like sexually, but
every time he talks it's likewow, that's a great voice.
Ryan Baron North (38:54):
I feel safe such an amazing does.
James Crosslin (38:56):
I feel.
I feel whatever Keith Davidwants me to feel, because he's
also good.
He's a good actor.
He's, like, so good at usinghis voice to convey emotion and
his voice is so unique andpowerful.
He's really good at it yeahmm-hmm.
So yeah, maybe I'd go fuckDavid, or you, david would fuck
(39:18):
me.
Let's be honest, let's behonest, but no, I'd, I'd be like
, well, I, we should probablyhave a working chess machine for
our final hours.
Okay, all right, solid, solid.
Ryan Baron North (39:38):
Okay, so all right, so I'm in there.
Now I'm in this Antarcticresearch facility.
They keep destroying thebarriers between me and the cold
weather.
I start to think that you guysare just as much as dangerous as
anyone else.
But I also don't want to die bythat thing, because that looks
(39:59):
terrible.
That looks like a horribledeath, especially just the hand
one.
When the thing gets the hand onhis face and it starts fusing
that way.
That's a slow fucking death.
You could live a long timewithout your jaw, yeah the
fingers went like in, they wentunder the skin.
James Crosslin (40:15):
The fingers went like under the skin to melt
Hell no, yeah.
Ryan Baron North (40:19):
so for me that's priority one.
I will kill myself before thething kills me.
Yeah, keith, david's already inthe showers with you.
James Crosslin (40:36):
I don't like we keep talking about the showers,
but I'm not a shower sex person.
I would, for I would not aboutwhat you want.
Ryan Baron North (40:44):
It's about with Keith David once, I don't
know, maybe you're just likeyeah.
Okay, I think that I feel likehe's a giving, a giving lover.
So, yeah, alright, so theshowers are still available to
me.
James Crosslin (41:05):
He was the most even headed person in that
entire movie.
He's the one who gets yelled atthat.
I think someone more evenheaded should have this.
He's the most even headedperson in the movie.
He doesn't flip out, he's likevery much like listen, we should
all talk about this.
I don't think you should be incontrol, you fucking crazy
bastard, and I don't know.
(41:27):
It's wild that the black mangot yelled at.
You're too much of a hotheadafter doing fucking nothing to
deserve that.
Ryan Baron North (41:36):
So I will say, trying to think of the best way
, I would say he did sort ofpresent himself immediately.
The character at leastpresented himself immediately as
I will take care of myself.
Yeah, and you know, if you'releading people I can sort of
(41:59):
understand.
Well, I could say this as aperson who's going to take care
of myself.
So it's in this what ifscenario is a person who's gonna
take care of myself first.
I don't want Keith David tohave that gun.
James Crosslin (42:12):
Well, I do want to point out that the person who
was like I'm gonna take care ofthis, god, everybody killed.
Ryan Baron North (42:20):
Yes, he did.
Yes, he did.
That's a good point.
James Crosslin (42:23):
Yeah, kurt Russell did fail at saving
everybody, so he did, and it wasbecause he did really stupid,
careless things which we knewabout the character in the first
scene.
Ryan Baron North (42:38):
But he was just so damn likable.
It was Snake Pliskin.
James Crosslin (42:42):
So my first.
Ryan Baron North (42:43):
My first move would be to kill Kurt Russell
and kill Keith David.
James Crosslin (42:49):
And then no one is willing to argue with you.
Ryan Baron North (42:53):
Exactly.
James Crosslin (42:54):
And then that'll make everything better.
Ryan Baron North (42:58):
Yes, I'm killing everybody.
It's decided.
Everyone's getting slainthrough it.
James Crosslin (43:06):
Listen, it's no worse than the outcome of the
thing.
It's no worse.
No, it might.
It might even be better.
Ryan Baron North (43:12):
My opinion just dies very quick.
It might be better.
So yeah, I'm going to like allright, everyone on the other
side of the room we're doingthis blood test and then I just
send them all straight tofucking hell.
No, no, I'm using theflamethrower and I'm committing
(43:36):
more crimes here, baby no.
James Crosslin (43:38):
I'm just.
Ryan Baron North (43:39):
I am just scorching that side of the pool
room.
James Crosslin (43:42):
Jesus Christ.
Ryan Baron North (43:44):
And yeah, every living thing I see is
getting turned into a Vietnamwar cry, war crime.
And then I will sit in thecorner until the helicopter
arrives.
James Crosslin (44:01):
And then you'll infect the whole world.
Correct Because you, becauseyou stepped in it, because your
boot has stepped in the fuckingthings.
Blood, maybe, that's all ittakes.
Ryan Baron North (44:18):
Every you forget.
Everywhere I go, like, likeI'll be sitting there, like I
have to take a piss and I willgently wash the hallway with the
flamethrower as I work my wayas I work my way to the bathroom
.
James Crosslin (44:37):
You flamethrower the bottom of your shoes.
Ryan Baron North (44:40):
Oh yeah, it'd be constant.
I would be constantly finger onthe trigger, I would, oh, and
there would even be a scenewhere, after I just scorched
everyone on the other side ofthe pool room, I'm like fuck, I
forgot Wilfred is out in theshed, let me go torch him.
James Crosslin (45:03):
Would have been the right move.
Ryan Baron North (45:05):
And yeah, that's, that's what it would be.
I would get my hands on theweapons first.
I do not trust.
I do not trust this communityto hold itself together.
They're all libertarian andweird, and the ones who aren't,
I can't trust them not to becomelibertarian.
James Crosslin (45:22):
So easily, easily swayed by the libertarian
argument.
Ryan Baron North (45:32):
So you're all going to die.
James Crosslin (45:35):
What if?
What if we didn't owe eachother anything?
Ryan Baron North (45:42):
Yeah and like no, I'm not letting you be
swayed by libertarianism.
You're on fire, and you're onfire and Wilfred's still out in
the shed.
James Crosslin (45:53):
So he's on fire.
Ryan Baron North (45:55):
Yeah, that's, that's what it would be, and
then for the next two months, asI'm sitting in the dark, I
would just randomly scorch partsof the floor and hope I made it
out.
So yeah.
James Crosslin (46:11):
Well, I no matter what.
The entire earth is doomed,just correct.
It just depends on the timescale.
Ryan Baron North (46:18):
Yeah, no.
At the end of the day,eventually, those ice caps are
going to melt.
Yeah, until our rich orvallords decided to do something
about that, the thing will oneday be our reality.
Don't bother with kids, people.
Don't bother with kids.
Don't bother with grandkids.
James Crosslin (46:36):
It's a wrap, it's over, it's all, don't
bother.
Don't bother buildingconnections with other people.
Ryan Baron North (46:41):
No no, no structures.
They're probably libertarian.
There's no point.
James Crosslin (46:47):
If they're not libertarian now, they will be
soon.
Ryan Baron North (46:52):
It's spreading .
It's spreading.
They get to feel smart becausethey're in the middle in their
opinion.
So yeah, it's spreading.
James Crosslin (47:00):
I'm not.
I'm not loyal to anybody oranything, so you can't.
So I can know I can't be heldaccountable.
Ryan Baron North (47:09):
And then he gets flamethrowered.
Yeah, so don't bother.
Don't bother guys.
Our future is the 1982 JohnCarpenter's the Thing.
Don't bother with fuckinganything.
James Crosslin (47:26):
Yeah, overall good movie.
Ryan Baron North (47:29):
Solid movie.
So there you have it, folks.
Thank you so much for listening.
If you enjoyed what you heard,like subscribe to all that
bullshit.
Here's to the thing.
James Crosslin (47:41):
Gotta point out Kurt Russell killed a lot of
just regular dudes, oh yeah, oh,yeah he weren't infected.
Ryan Baron North (47:48):
God damn it.
Snake Plisken, he did, and hejust popped him from the hip
From the hip, yeah, yeah.
Quite a few, just just guys,just guys.
So there you have it, folks.
Thank you John Carpenter, thankyou Kurt Russell, thank you
Keith David, thank you WilfordBrimley and thank you listeners.
And thank you Glass Gal.
Goodnight Bye.
Hey everybody, welcome to High and Dry Podcast
, the only podcast keeping alivethe fandom of Little House and
the Prairie.
And Michael Landon, welcome.
Thanks for joining us.
I'm Ryan Baird North with me,as always.
James Crosslin, james, what'shappening?
James Crosslin (00:16):
Not much, just really excited to talk about
Little House and the Prairietoday.
Yeah, it's a good one.
Ryan Baron North (00:23):
Yeah, I'm more excited about talking about
Michael Landon, just in general.
Just in general, I feel hehasn't come up enough lately
especially in the podcast.
James Crosslin (00:33):
Well, he's been dead for a while, I think.
Ryan Baron North (00:36):
Yeah, well, anytime I think of anybody who's
passed on, I think of Coco, andI worry that, because I haven't
talked about him, he's beingdragged further into the
afterlife, and so I got to keephis memory alive via my podcast.
James Crosslin (00:55):
Well, he did do a lot of great.
Like all of his shows were onesthat my family watched
religiously.
Well, I don't know aboutHighway to Heaven, but Bonanza
and Little House on the Prairie100% my family loved those shows
.
Ryan Baron North (01:08):
Nice.
Well, we just bought him alittle extra time in the Coco
Underworld.
So there you go, michael Landon, enjoy.
So you, who are just joining usfor the first time, never heard
this before, were you?
We talk pop culture,entertainment, philosophy, all
that fun stuff.
We're going to dive into thething, the film, the thing from
(01:31):
1982, but we're going to do itwhile drunk and or high.
So that being the case, james,what are you smoking today?
James Crosslin (01:39):
So I, for even after we texted each other about
doing this, I totally forgotthat we were doing it, and so I
already smoked on a little undera half a gram today, but I'm
still going to go hard.
Today I've got one I've nevertried to do tried, called
Oakstradam OG, I assume it'sgrown in like Oakland and it's
(02:05):
all supposed to be like anAmsterdam.
I guess I have no idea what thefuck.
It's a really stupid name, butI'm going to try it.
Ryan Baron North (02:16):
Cool.
Well, I'm excited for you.
I'm going to be joining youwith Makers Mark Whiskey, don't
have the bottle with me.
I put my shit in the decanter,the glassware going on over here
behind the scenes.
James Crosslin (02:30):
So that way you can tell, you can tell anybody.
Ryan Baron North (02:35):
It's any type of whiskey in there, you could
lie.
James Crosslin (02:40):
They just accept it because it's in a decanter.
Ryan Baron North (02:43):
That's right, I'm class and even brought, so I
have a countered up earlier.
I have eight different sets ofmy whiskey glasses.
Today I'm going with theexecutive, so that's nice.
But yeah, so Makers Mark, Ithink that's 40 horsepower if I
remember correctly.
But the tried and true, let'stry it.
Sometimes it's on sale, andthat's when I pick it up.
(03:03):
It was and I did.
So this first one is going outto the movie today the Thing by
John Carpenter, cheers.
James Crosslin (03:15):
Cheers.
Oh yeah, I'm supposed to smokethis Cheers.
Ryan Baron North (03:22):
Oh yeah, I did know that we had this coming up
, but it was lunchtime, I drankanyway.
James Crosslin (03:31):
Yeah, got it.
You got it to get through theday Nowadays.
Ryan Baron North (03:36):
It's a mess, it really is.
James Crosslin (03:41):
It's like an alien's out here pretending to
be dogs and people and shit.
It's too much.
Ryan Baron North (03:50):
So the second one, now that we're officially
back on the air, this will beour second run around.
That goes live next week.
Well, no, that's going to beRebel Moons next week, but he's
listening now.
It doesn't matter.
So this second one goes out toour newest listeners.
These ones are in Glasgow.
I don't know how we keephopping to other countries, but
(04:14):
we're making it happen.
James Crosslin (04:17):
I think they're going to be mad that you called
it Glasgow.
That's what it says it'sGlasgow.
Ryan Baron North (04:24):
Oh, fuck that, it's whatever I say.
James Crosslin (04:32):
We can't understand you.
We can't understand you whenyou talk anyway.
Ryan Baron North (04:38):
Get fucked Cheers.
Here's to Glasgow Cheers man, Idon't know what's going on Like
I'm drinking more than ever,but I need to practice my no
(04:58):
face making when taking a glassof wine.
No face making when taking myounce and a half.
James Crosslin (05:09):
Yeah, you don't, you don't like you, you know
you're being very real, which isthat which is where you go.
Ryan Baron North (05:20):
It's very real .
Well, so, for this third one,well, what's it to?
For this third one, I'llpractice my no reaction, I don't
know.
James Crosslin (05:30):
Well, this last one, that is to me not making a
reaction when I take a drink.
Ryan Baron North (05:36):
If you're watching this on YouTube, you
actually get to see if I pull itoff.
So here we go.
Cheers.
James Crosslin (05:40):
I'll not have a reaction either.
Ryan Baron North (05:42):
Cheers, I felt the top lip move up a little
bit, but I don't think it wasthat bad.
I'll review the tape later.
Yeah, I'll review the tapelater.
James Crosslin (05:57):
Yeah Right, put a comment.
Ryan Baron North (06:00):
Just leave us a comment and tell, tell Ryan if
he didn't make a face Like so Ido the little, I sip all the
time, but I'm not just sittingat the house busting shots, so
you know, oh well.
Anyway, now that we've so we'vegotten our hits, we've gotten
our shots it's time to get intothis show.
So we're going to be talkingabout John Carpenter's the thing
(06:23):
and we're going to break itdown.
Right now we're going to gointo our sober thoughts, then
we're going to move into ourenlightened thoughts, once the
drugs and alcohol have had achance to work their way into
their system, and then, finally,we're going to do some what ifs
.
We're going to throw us intothe thing and we're going to see
what we could do that KurtRussell was incapable of.
(06:43):
So, james, sober thoughts thething, what are you feeling?
James Crosslin (06:50):
Sober thoughts on the thing.
I think that it's a it's kindof it's kind of a play on the
locked room, you know, kind ofit's almost like a stage play.
Ryan Baron North (07:06):
The.
James Crosslin (07:06):
Thing where the core of its tension and the
driving force of the plot areactually interactions between
people.
You have a looming threat, butit's a lot of.
This movie is just people talkand not trusting each other and
trying to come up with solutionswhen they're presented with
(07:26):
problems, and that's a very likestage play thing.
There could be a the thingstage play, and I bet it'd be
kind, I bet it'd be pretty good.
Ryan Baron North (07:33):
Well, I'm actually I'm working on that as
we speak.
James Crosslin (07:40):
But I'd say that you know, in the presentation I
felt like they did a reallygood job of.
You know they did a lot oftight shots.
You know it's I'd say it'scomparable to alien in a lot of
ways, where they make, theyforce you to be inside in this
enclosed space.
You know they have peoplewalking, they have, they have
these you know, deep shots ofhallways and people coming
(08:03):
towards you or leaving.
You know the focus of thecamera frequently and it's
really tight.
They have people coming throughdoorways a lot because just to
show that every room is kind ofsmall, they don't have a lot of
space and they're all stuck here.
I feel that it's a really goodjob driving the tension and the
while the the props are limitedby the time they were made.
(08:28):
You know the technology justwasn't there.
They're very unique, you knowand yeah, they're memorable, and
I think that's one of the moreimportant things when you're
doing, when you're looking at amonster movie, is is it
memorable rather than is it likephotorealistic or something?
(08:49):
Yes, and, and the same guy whodid the props for this also did
the props for total recall, andI had watched total recall
recently.
We're going to do an episode onit.
I'd watched it for the firsttime, really as an adult and
straight through, and Iinstantly noticed that it was
the same person.
I looked it up, I was like whodid the who did the props?
(09:12):
Because they're so, they're sofamiliar and both of those films
have, like really unique,recognizable props that are
dating but so memorable.
Ryan Baron North (09:22):
Yes, see, I I thought right away that we were.
I was looking at Kronenbergstuff, which wasn't the case,
the dude who did the fly and allthat kind of stuff.
But but now that you think, Ithink about it, the styles are
pretty distinct.
But the thing he had such a wayof I was like using tubing he
(09:48):
found in his garage to make itdisgusting and I thought it was
especially, you know, limited.
By the time I thought it was afantastic job and that in.
But as far as my sober thoughts.
So I've always been a fan ofthe thing.
I've seen it a lot.
So Reese Merritt we've had onthe show a few times.
(10:09):
He actually came with me onetime when they were doing a
re-screening in Las Vegas.
So I've even seen the thing intheaters and I've always enjoyed
it.
For me it's right next to, it'snext to Alien, which we did an
episode on Alien.
James Crosslin (10:26):
All the way next to Alien right next to it.
Wow, yeah, and that's highpraise.
Ryan Baron North (10:33):
Yeah, we had high praise for Alien, for sure.
So, yeah, if you guys could goback and listen to the episode
we did on Alien.
We didn't much care for Alien 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7.
James Crosslin (10:47):
I'd have to watch them again, but I watched
two pretty recently and maybe Idon't know, maybe I was just off
on how I was feeling or notapproaching it very well, but I
thought it was a fucking joke.
Ryan Baron North (11:00):
Well, but something to think.
Though I appreciate thedistinct personalities that are
there, it seems to me likefucking Wilfred Brimley is the
only one who actually has a jobthere.
(11:21):
The rest of them just kind ofdrink or roller skate, so I
don't know what to say aboutthat Kurt Russell.
James Crosslin (11:34):
Kurt Russell's the pilot.
Ryan Baron North (11:35):
He's a pilot right, he does a helicopter
pilot.
Yeah, yeah.
James Crosslin (11:39):
So he does end up flying the helicopter, yeah.
So actually I think the otherguy, what's his name?
Fuchs or something.
Ryan Baron North (11:49):
Yeah, fuchs, fuchs.
James Crosslin (11:52):
He didn't he take the samples of the ice and
like I think I mean they didhave some people do some science
shit yeah it's very vaguelytouched on, but at the same time
you know that's a good thing.
Ryan Baron North (12:03):
You know you have a story to get to, what's
the chase and how do we cut toit.
And they did that.
James Crosslin (12:10):
In Rebel Moon, we would have just watched them
do their jobs yes, for like anhour.
Ryan Baron North (12:15):
Yeah, and God bless Rebel Moon.
You know there are farmers andevery scene was just a to B.
How do we get back to farming?
Let's talk about crop moisturelevels, let's.
Let's get to where we need tobe.
By the way, I used to be afascist and everyone's like oh,
okay.
Well, hold on, let me talk foran hour about that In Rebel Moon
(12:39):
.
God damn it.
So, oh well, so yeah, so thoseare my my thoughts on it.
I enjoy it.
I love the atmosphere.
I thought the atmosphere isgreat.
I like the personalities thatare represented in it.
I did feel like Wilford Brimleywas the only one with a job, or
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at least he took his jobseriously, which is impressive,
because he's combating diabetesthe whole time and he doesn't
let that, you know, interfere.
James Crosslin (13:09):
I don't I'm just looking as they let him go to.
Ryan Baron North (13:11):
Antarctica.
James Crosslin (13:14):
Very true.
Ryan Baron North (13:15):
I don't think we get insulin down there,
brimley, are you sure?
He said no, I actually distillmy own.
So other than that though, yeah, I was I'm waiting to see what
my enlightened thoughts are.
Did you have any final soberthoughts?
James Crosslin (13:33):
Oh no, those are long gone.
Ryan Baron North (13:35):
Oh, they've left the building All right?
Well then, in that case, Ithink it's time to move on to
the second portion of this.
Let me shuffle around myglassware.
I'm going to need another shotbefore we get into our
enlightened thoughts.
Is Wilford Brimley still doingokay?
James Crosslin (13:59):
I don't know.
No, definitely not.
He's, he's 100% dead.
Well, shit.
Ryan Baron North (14:08):
I just spared him from another cocoa style rip
into this underworld too.
James Crosslin (14:15):
That's true.
He died August 1, 2020.
So he was like trapped at home.
Ryan Baron North (14:24):
Okay, well, that sucks.
Well, this one's to WilfordBrimley.
Cheers, Cheers to WilfordBrimley.
That was the one, that was theone, so I forgot the key to it.
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So, for those of you listeningand wondering how you too could
drink like a well functioningalcoholic and not let it affect
your face, you have to take iton the tongue slow, that's,
that's what you got to.
Let it roll down.
You can't just choke it.
You got to roll it down Really,save for the flavor of your
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maker's mark that was on sale atcost cutters, that's it.
James Crosslin (15:14):
That was, that was erotic.
Ryan Baron North (15:19):
All right.
Now that we're all aroused anda little further down the road
and Wilford Brimley's beenspared from cocoa hell, let's
get into our enlightenedthoughts.
So it's a James with drugsflowing.
What are your enlightenedthoughts on this?
James Crosslin (15:37):
My enlightened thoughts are thank God for Keith
David.
What a great actor.
And I thought he was great.
He's.
David, is like one of myfavorite actors, who pops up and
stuff.
Oh yeah, I absolutely love hislives.
Right, he was lils.
Hold on, let me look.
I can't remember the name.
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I don't know their names.
Ryan Baron North (16:01):
I thought you watched it once.
James Crosslin (16:03):
His name is Giles.
Ryan Baron North (16:05):
Yeah, giles, that's right, that's right, I
would have known that in thesilver side.
I would have known that in thesilver portion, but we're beyond
that now.
James Crosslin (16:17):
Yeah, we're way past that, but he was really
great.
I gotta say Kurt Russell was agood actor in this movie, but he
played an absolutely insane man.
Ryan Baron North (16:30):
Yes.
James Crosslin (16:31):
He plays.
I feel like he's so typecast asan impulsive hothead who makes
like terrible decisions.
Ryan Baron North (16:41):
He escaped from New York like two years
just to wind up in Antarctica.
Like I mean, I'd be pissed offtoo.
James Crosslin (16:51):
And then he gets a job as a truck driver after
this.
The bomb didn't kill him.
Ryan Baron North (16:55):
Yeah, so, and he goes off and he's in San
Francisco, which I would love todo an episode on that now that
you bring it up, but pleasecontinue.
James Crosslin (17:06):
But he, I think that this is just a continuation
or maybe a defining, you knowfilm where he becomes an
impulsive, just a hothead, andlike the, when he fucking tells
Keith David, you know, when hetakes the gun and is like I
think someone more eventemperate should hold on to this
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.
I was like I, I audibly went,he like he.
Ryan Baron North (17:36):
I remember the exact line.
James Crosslin (17:39):
He flew the fucking helicopter when they
were like it's two days tosupply this helicopter.
He's like I'm going out thereLike what are we looking for?
I don't know.
And then but.
But even like the opening ofthis, movie.
Ryan Baron North (17:51):
He murdered their only chess video game.
James Crosslin (17:55):
That's what I was going to say.
It's the opening of the movieis he loses a game of chess and
destroys a piece of machinery.
Ryan Baron North (18:06):
That's just even tempered right there, yeah.
James Crosslin (18:09):
I was.
I was like what the fuck areyou talking about?
Ryan Baron North (18:12):
See, I think even temperedness is relative.
He was intelligent enough andsocially conscious enough to
understand that any other man onthis installation, had they
have lost the chess game, wouldhave blown up the facility.
James Crosslin (18:28):
Yeah, that's.
That's just how Antarcticamakes you yes.
Ryan Baron North (18:33):
But to that point I will say I kind of and
it's interesting that you bringit up, and I think it's
important to note that we don'tknow how we'll be until we're
sitting there, and there'sdefinitely a part of me right
now, without getting too muchinto you know what was it going
(18:54):
on in my real, non high and drylife?
Right now I'm, you know, I'mfinding myself in a place I
don't want to fucking be.
I have a you know, a developingdrinking problem, all those
sorts of things, and I feel justlike him, like I have tons of
experience, like in my career,you know, and I'm just so
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fucking over it and I couldtotally kill that fucking chess
game right now.
At the same time, I would neverlet a single one of the
motherfuckers I work with havethe gun before me.
James Crosslin (19:31):
I believe you.
Ryan Baron North (19:34):
So I get it.
I get where he's coming from.
I understand.
James Crosslin (19:39):
I think that I think that this movie is
actually incredibly deepphilosophically and Kurt Russell
represents a solipsism.
You know where?
Ryan Baron North (19:47):
I was going to say that.
James Crosslin (19:55):
But please go on .
But for those who, who you know, aren't familiar with the term
solipsism, is this solipsism?
Is this idea where you are theonly source of truth?
Only your experiences and yourideas can be trusted.
You're the only thing withagency in the universe.
This is all just a constructionof of our minds and an
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expression of our minds toourselves.
And Kurt Russell, thinking thathe's the, that he's even
tempered, is like such a such asolipsist view.
It's like dude, you, you,apparently, you can only see
from your perspective.
Ryan Baron North (20:34):
Yes, yes, I well, I definitely see that.
Well, I'll see that and I'llraise you the epistemological
viewpoint of this particularmovie.
James Crosslin (20:49):
Let's go.
Ryan Baron North (20:51):
So let's talk about.
You know nature and the limitsof our knowledge.
No matter, no matter how longyou shove Wilford Brimley into a
storage facility and you don'talways you give him that magical
1982 computer program that wassomehow able to take a sample
and determine that the exactamount of time before the world
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is taken over 27,000 hours.
James Crosslin (21:20):
This is what I saw.
Ryan Baron North (21:23):
What I want to know is why did they, why did
they have that particularcomputer program?
They have chess, they havechess master, and how long it
takes for an alien entity toswallow the earth.
James Crosslin (21:36):
Those are the only two computers on board on
that stage.
Every computer single purpose,and those are the only two.
Ryan Baron North (21:46):
So if I was a Kurt Russell and Giles sitting
there and I'm putting thattogether and I'm Kurt Russell,
I'm like they gave us chessmaster.
And how long would it take analien entity to swallow the
earth on a deluxe floppy disk?
Why did they send us down here,Right, Like I feel like we were
(22:11):
set up.
I feel like we were set up, man.
Those would be my last question.
James Crosslin (22:18):
I always questioned this computer and why
it was here.
Ryan Baron North (22:23):
I mean, this is 1982.
It took us five guys to bringthat computer inside None of us
asked why we needed it.
James Crosslin (22:34):
So, yeah.
Who knows?
Ryan Baron North (22:40):
So I did appreciate the magical computer
program they have but to bringit back to my point, the whole,
the entire time is just theconcept.
Of our knowledge can nevertruly capture the full picture
of what's going on.
James Crosslin (22:59):
Right.
And I think that's reallydisplayed by the script, and I
think the writer had anepistemological crisis.
Ryan Baron North (23:12):
He was having some issues.
His life had just handed himthe divorce contract and he's
seeing shit on there that wasmaking him question everything.
James Crosslin (23:22):
And he just wished he had a program.
He was like what are theimplications that that one
single cell is all it takes forthis thing to survive?
What are the implications ofthat?
Ryan Baron North (23:33):
Whatever, people aren't going, to ask too
many questions and he just went.
There's a computer program forthat, but I think it definitely
puts it gives you an idea ofwhat the general public thought
(23:54):
computers were capable of atthat time.
Right, and what just well, andjust what researchers had that
wasn't on their Macintosh, youknow.
Yeah, it really definitelyshowed us the fantasy of
computers at that time.
James Crosslin (24:13):
Yeah, I agree, and I think that you know the
general public wasn't aseducated as they are now and I
know I know it's we say likeeducation's on a dip actually
now.
But I mean I feel like duringour period we got a pretty good
education.
We especially, like it, touchedon the higher concept, higher
(24:37):
academic, you know courses thanthan conservatives would like.
They say it's like a waste oftime, but you and I know how,
like the structure of a cell,how cells work in a body, like
what's the?
size, the size of a cell, likewhat you know.
All of these things are thingsthat clearly weren't understood
(25:00):
well during this time, becauseit just gets poo pooed that that
each of the this organisms,individual cells is is in its
own, an entire organism thatwill seek to survive and can
replicate.
Ryan Baron North (25:18):
Yeah, and with a general, just a very general
elementary knowledge of a cell.
That is fucking wild.
James Crosslin (25:26):
Yeah, that means that means the earth is
definitely like at, at whenever.
Whenever this thing gets towhere anything else is alive and
can and can really kick thingsoff, the earth is done.
It's just it's going to happenwhen the ice caps melt.
It's going to happen then it'sgoing to.
It's going to happen at somepoint in history that this thing
is going to come in contactwith life.
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That spreads it.
Ryan Baron North (25:50):
And that's just it.
Wilfred Brimley did not needthe computer program to
understand that it wasunnecessary.
That was that was just for thesake of the audience, yeah, yeah
, no, and that's a wild thing.
And so my last enlightenedthought and the thing I think I
think I appreciate excuse me, Iappreciate most about the film
(26:14):
is definitely the look at thewhole survival, our instinct to
survive, yeah.
James Crosslin (26:22):
Pushed into contact with a community, yeah,
that that's looking, you know,at its destruction and trying to
toe the line between being partof this group and then looking
out for, you know, number one,yeah, that's a great way to sum
(26:43):
it up, because and that's like a, that's like a, that's like a
locker room stage play rightExactly when people are stuck in
a place together, and it's allabout this showing how people
can have different philosophicalideals and how they can value
different things more, and howtrust is a tenuous balance.
It builds tension so well, andpeople have known that for a
(27:08):
long time, and it's been on thestage for a long time, Without a
doubt, and I think that will.
Ryan Baron North (27:15):
that'll definitely lend a lot to our
what if, because we're, you know, for our what if portion that's
going to come up here in aboutfive minutes we're locking
ourselves in this room and thenwe get to answer for ourselves.
You know, how would we reactwhen it really, straight up,
comes down to personal survivalversus the survival of your
(27:38):
group.
And I wonder myself if therewas a better way for these guys,
if they could get overthemselves.
Was there a better way?
And I don't know.
I honestly I feel like this isthe perfect chance to jump into
our what ifs and just startworking through it.
James Crosslin (27:58):
Sure.
What are your thoughts?
Ryan Baron North (28:00):
Well, all right.
So if everyone, welcome to thethird portion of this podcast.
It's time to get into the whatifs.
So you know you're driving towork right now.
It's a Wednesday morning.
You're reaching for that bottleunder the seat you keep hearing
us take shots.
James Crosslin (28:15):
So we do not condone, yeah, yeah.
Ryan Baron North (28:19):
Look after numero one.
Yeah, you stuck down.
James Crosslin (28:28):
Listen, you're even tempered, all right.
Ryan Baron North (28:31):
Yeah, yeah, I'm even tempered.
I can drink behind the wheel,but your average person cannot,
so I can't condone it.
Look, I'm one of those specialtypes who becomes more safe as
he drinks, because he knows ifit's stay.
James Crosslin (28:50):
That was.
That was an episode of WKRP.
I don't know if you've everwatched that show, but it was
like a really fucking funny show.
That was like a.
That was like a really goodsitcom and they had a character
on the show who they did areaction timing test and as he
got more drunk he got faster andit was a.
It was a, it was a whole thingand it was.
(29:11):
It was a very funny episode,one of the few, that is fun I
remember that show.
Ryan Baron North (29:15):
That is funny.
James Crosslin (29:16):
People, people in the past were funny sometimes
.
I'll give them that.
Ryan Baron North (29:20):
Yeah, yeah, I'll always remember this time.
It was, it wasn't me, it wasthis one guy and another guy who
you got to get home from theparty somehow, and halfway
through the drive, you know,they realized that all right,
we've, we've gone too far, it'stime to hide in plain sight.
(29:42):
And they pulled into a tacobell and just rode the wave
through the drive through a tacobell and got the best damn
chalupas they've ever had intheir lives.
James Crosslin (29:55):
But anyway, take an Uber.
Take an Uber to the Taco Bell.
Ryan Baron North (30:02):
Well, the guy that I'm referring to, he was
riding shotgun, so whatever.
So it's time to get into thatthird part, it's time for our
what ifs, it's time to insertourselves into the thing, which,
by the way, I did also want tosay.
I have one final, one, finalheightened thought.
So the thing not a lot ofpeople know was not the original
(30:25):
.
It was based on the thing fromanother world, which was.
It happened in the 50s and, likethe thing from 1982, the thing
from another world did somethings with horror as well.
They obviously it was stillsome time away from body horror
that would be a little toointense for our, you know, post
(30:48):
World War Two people.
But what they did was,throughout every scene of the
thing from another world, theywould have characters opening a
door.
They'd be doing these samesorts of survival versus
community arguments and they'dargue while opening a door.
They would talk to each otheropening a door, passing through
it, and then, finally, when thething arrives, they open the
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door and the thing is juststanding on the other side of
the door and it fucking freakedeveryone out.
They were still reinventing andinventing the jump scare, and
the thing from another world didit, and so they touched on that
, and now we're in 1982 whereWilford Brimley and Kurt Russell
(31:33):
and Keith David are taking in,taking the helm.
That was my last enlightenedthought right there.
James Crosslin (31:42):
So another thing I have to credit this movie
with is that I don't I don'tknow if you caught, if you
flagged this when we were taught, when I was thinking about,
like, what makes a good film andwhat makes a bad film,
something that's a little datedabout this is the scene when the
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flamethrower, when KurtRussell's got the flamethrower
and the dude's head comes offand the flamethrowers like not
starting up.
Yeah, it goes on for like 30seconds and that's something
that we would not accept in filmtoday.
(32:27):
That was well.
That was well.
We will be hilarious.
Ryan Baron North (32:30):
I would argue right away with you, sir, that
we would rebel.
Moon by Scott Snyder showedthat audiences whatever, he lost
his first name, as far as Ihave to put now that piece of
shit.
But rebel moon showed us thatyou could just fucking do
(32:53):
whatever and as long as youcreated a horde of fans, it
don't fucking matter.
James Crosslin (32:58):
So yeah, and and again.
Another thing in that moviewhich I thought was very funny
was the explosions, like whenall the rooms, like we're having
, like when they were settingfire and explosions in each room
, every single room, and it wasvery funny well, there's my
(33:28):
first what if?
Ryan Baron North (33:29):
my first what if would be like hey,
level-headed guys, stop fuckingblowing up all the rooms, you
understand, we'll die.
James Crosslin (33:41):
I, I, I don't know what they were thinking
most of the time, and also thatthat scene with the explosions
made me think of.
Did you watch Garth Marengi'sDark Place right?
Ryan Baron North (33:54):
oh yes, yeah, I did.
Yeah, I'm a Matt Berry fan, soyeah yeah, so the where they
talk about.
James Crosslin (34:01):
You know just lengthening scenes out, you know
when they're talking aboutslo-mo in that one, but they're
like, they're like sometimes ourepisodes were up to eight
minutes short.
Everything was a candidate forslo-mo.
And it's like in this movie,like what they do with the
explosions and what they do withthe flamethrower, just like
extended, extended.
We don't have to not lie here.
(34:23):
It's just people talking.
You gotta put some shit inbetween.
Ryan Baron North (34:25):
Look all all that John Carpenter was doing in
1982 was walking so that ZackSnyder could run and have a
single swing of a hammer.
Take 135 seconds.
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That's that's all that washappening right there.
That's all that was happening.
James Crosslin (34:54):
God bless, god bless.
Ryan Baron North (34:57):
Carpenter.
James Crosslin (34:59):
I've got a lot more thoughts, but we can move
on.
Ryan Baron North (35:02):
Yeah, 35 minutes 35 yes, it's time for
our what.
If so, james, you've beenplopped in.
You are an Antarctic recentresearcher with no discernible
knowledge of Antarctic research,except for a distinct style, a
distinct personality and adesire to live what happens oh
(35:27):
well, okay.
James Crosslin (35:28):
So I know for sure that there's no way that
we're going to live like justjust this thing walking around
like it.
If it's, if it's like buildinghuman parts and stuff and human
skin, the human skin likenaturally sheds so there's just
cells of this thing fallingaround and being kicked up in
(35:52):
the air, oh yeah, so like I feellike I feel like as a modern
human I know that this is kindof like.
This is a problem.
I have a zombie movies too is.
Is that zombie?
If the zombie blood is like hasa virus in it or something?
If people are running aroundwith a baseball bat or a machete
(36:14):
or something, you're throwingthe fucking virus all up all up
in the air and in your fuckingface and shit.
There's no way to avoid it.
I will, which is weird, becausethat means that the original
night of the living dead makessense more than like 28 days
(36:36):
later, because the originalzombies were here, because they
ran out of room and hell yeah,yeah so like yeah, don't go
crazy guys, don't try it like ifyou're not a scientist, don't
mix science into your fantasyyeah, like yeah, it is very
(37:02):
important because if you wantyour piece to be timeless, yeah,
it's important that you don'tget too technical about about
the, about the, the rules ofyour plane.
Ryan Baron North (37:17):
You want to make your rules simple and
understandable and essentiallyinfallible, but when you
reference, like real science,that are understanding changes
all the time, it's impossibleyeah, well, I mean, you and I
both know when have we everstruck someone as hard as we can
(37:37):
in the head with a bat and notbeen missed it?
James Crosslin (37:41):
it just doesn't happen yeah, yeah, I have to
change my my horror movie animalmask every single time because
there's evidence all over ityeah, and I?
Ryan Baron North (37:56):
I have to redo my sunscreen every time.
I won't step outside to beatsomeone with a bat without
sunscreen.
Uv rays are the death of skin,so it could burn you through.
James Crosslin (38:09):
It could burn you through the clouds.
Ryan Baron North (38:11):
Everybody knows that so well, so alright.
So you're what?
If so, you're there now.
You know you're gonna die.
That's, that's essentially whatis going.
I try to gas into the showerkeep David's there.
James Crosslin (38:33):
Oh yeah, he's, he's, he's a hunk man.
Keep David.
That deep voice is so like justinherently sultry.
He's got such in it.
He's got such an amazing voice.
It really does like and I don'tmean it like sexually, but
every time he talks it's likewow, that's a great voice.
Ryan Baron North (38:54):
I feel safe such an amazing does.
James Crosslin (38:56):
I feel.
I feel whatever Keith Davidwants me to feel, because he's
also good.
He's a good actor.
He's, like, so good at usinghis voice to convey emotion and
his voice is so unique andpowerful.
He's really good at it yeahmm-hmm.
So yeah, maybe I'd go fuckDavid, or you, david would fuck
(39:18):
me.
Let's be honest, let's behonest, but no, I'd, I'd be like
, well, I, we should probablyhave a working chess machine for
our final hours.
Okay, all right, solid, solid.
Ryan Baron North (39:38):
Okay, so all right, so I'm in there.
Now I'm in this Antarcticresearch facility.
They keep destroying thebarriers between me and the cold
weather.
I start to think that you guysare just as much as dangerous as
anyone else.
But I also don't want to die bythat thing, because that looks
(39:59):
terrible.
That looks like a horribledeath, especially just the hand
one.
When the thing gets the hand onhis face and it starts fusing
that way.
That's a slow fucking death.
You could live a long timewithout your jaw, yeah the
fingers went like in, they wentunder the skin.
James Crosslin (40:15):
The fingers went like under the skin to melt
Hell no, yeah.
Ryan Baron North (40:19):
so for me that's priority one.
I will kill myself before thething kills me.
Yeah, keith, david's already inthe showers with you.
James Crosslin (40:36):
I don't like we keep talking about the showers,
but I'm not a shower sex person.
I would, for I would not aboutwhat you want.
Ryan Baron North (40:44):
It's about with Keith David once, I don't
know, maybe you're just likeyeah.
Okay, I think that I feel likehe's a giving, a giving lover.
So, yeah, alright, so theshowers are still available to
me.
James Crosslin (41:05):
He was the most even headed person in that
entire movie.
He's the one who gets yelled atthat.
I think someone more evenheaded should have this.
He's the most even headedperson in the movie.
He doesn't flip out, he's likevery much like listen, we should
all talk about this.
I don't think you should be incontrol, you fucking crazy
bastard, and I don't know.
(41:27):
It's wild that the black mangot yelled at.
You're too much of a hotheadafter doing fucking nothing to
deserve that.
Ryan Baron North (41:36):
So I will say, trying to think of the best way
, I would say he did sort ofpresent himself immediately.
The character at leastpresented himself immediately as
I will take care of myself.
Yeah, and you know, if you'releading people I can sort of
(41:59):
understand.
Well, I could say this as aperson who's going to take care
of myself.
So it's in this what ifscenario is a person who's gonna
take care of myself first.
I don't want Keith David tohave that gun.
James Crosslin (42:12):
Well, I do want to point out that the person who
was like I'm gonna take care ofthis, god, everybody killed.
Ryan Baron North (42:20):
Yes, he did.
Yes, he did.
That's a good point.
James Crosslin (42:23):
Yeah, kurt Russell did fail at saving
everybody, so he did, and it wasbecause he did really stupid,
careless things which we knewabout the character in the first
scene.
Ryan Baron North (42:38):
But he was just so damn likable.
It was Snake Pliskin.
James Crosslin (42:42):
So my first.
Ryan Baron North (42:43):
My first move would be to kill Kurt Russell
and kill Keith David.
James Crosslin (42:49):
And then no one is willing to argue with you.
Ryan Baron North (42:53):
Exactly.
James Crosslin (42:54):
And then that'll make everything better.
Ryan Baron North (42:58):
Yes, I'm killing everybody.
It's decided.
Everyone's getting slainthrough it.
James Crosslin (43:06):
Listen, it's no worse than the outcome of the
thing.
It's no worse.
No, it might.
It might even be better.
Ryan Baron North (43:12):
My opinion just dies very quick.
It might be better.
So yeah, I'm going to like allright, everyone on the other
side of the room we're doingthis blood test and then I just
send them all straight tofucking hell.
No, no, I'm using theflamethrower and I'm committing
(43:36):
more crimes here, baby no.
James Crosslin (43:38):
I'm just.
Ryan Baron North (43:39):
I am just scorching that side of the pool
room.
James Crosslin (43:42):
Jesus Christ.
Ryan Baron North (43:44):
And yeah, every living thing I see is
getting turned into a Vietnamwar cry, war crime.
And then I will sit in thecorner until the helicopter
arrives.
James Crosslin (44:01):
And then you'll infect the whole world.
Correct Because you, becauseyou stepped in it, because your
boot has stepped in the fuckingthings.
Blood, maybe, that's all ittakes.
Ryan Baron North (44:18):
Every you forget.
Everywhere I go, like, likeI'll be sitting there, like I
have to take a piss and I willgently wash the hallway with the
flamethrower as I work my wayas I work my way to the bathroom
.
James Crosslin (44:37):
You flamethrower the bottom of your shoes.
Ryan Baron North (44:40):
Oh yeah, it'd be constant.
I would be constantly finger onthe trigger, I would, oh, and
there would even be a scenewhere, after I just scorched
everyone on the other side ofthe pool room, I'm like fuck, I
forgot Wilfred is out in theshed, let me go torch him.
James Crosslin (45:03):
Would have been the right move.
Ryan Baron North (45:05):
And yeah, that's, that's what it would be.
I would get my hands on theweapons first.
I do not trust.
I do not trust this communityto hold itself together.
They're all libertarian andweird, and the ones who aren't,
I can't trust them not to becomelibertarian.
James Crosslin (45:22):
So easily, easily swayed by the libertarian
argument.
Ryan Baron North (45:32):
So you're all going to die.
James Crosslin (45:35):
What if?
What if we didn't owe eachother anything?
Ryan Baron North (45:42):
Yeah and like no, I'm not letting you be
swayed by libertarianism.
You're on fire, and you're onfire and Wilfred's still out in
the shed.
James Crosslin (45:53):
So he's on fire.
Ryan Baron North (45:55):
Yeah, that's, that's what it would be, and
then for the next two months, asI'm sitting in the dark, I
would just randomly scorch partsof the floor and hope I made it
out.
So yeah.
James Crosslin (46:11):
Well, I no matter what.
The entire earth is doomed,just correct.
It just depends on the timescale.
Ryan Baron North (46:18):
Yeah, no.
At the end of the day,eventually, those ice caps are
going to melt.
Yeah, until our rich orvallords decided to do something
about that, the thing will oneday be our reality.
Don't bother with kids, people.
Don't bother with kids.
Don't bother with grandkids.
James Crosslin (46:36):
It's a wrap, it's over, it's all, don't
bother.
Don't bother buildingconnections with other people.
Ryan Baron North (46:41):
No no, no structures.
They're probably libertarian.
There's no point.
James Crosslin (46:47):
If they're not libertarian now, they will be
soon.
Ryan Baron North (46:52):
It's spreading .
It's spreading.
They get to feel smart becausethey're in the middle in their
opinion.
So yeah, it's spreading.
James Crosslin (47:00):
I'm not.
I'm not loyal to anybody oranything, so you can't.
So I can know I can't be heldaccountable.
Ryan Baron North (47:09):
And then he gets flamethrowered.
Yeah, so don't bother.
Don't bother guys.
Our future is the 1982 JohnCarpenter's the Thing.
Don't bother with fuckinganything.
James Crosslin (47:26):
Yeah, overall good movie.
Ryan Baron North (47:29):
Solid movie.
So there you have it, folks.
Thank you so much for listening.
If you enjoyed what you heard,like subscribe to all that
bullshit.
Here's to the thing.
James Crosslin (47:41):
Gotta point out Kurt Russell killed a lot of
just regular dudes, oh yeah, oh,yeah he weren't infected.
Ryan Baron North (47:48):
God damn it.
Snake Plisken, he did, and hejust popped him from the hip
From the hip, yeah, yeah.
Quite a few, just just guys,just guys.
So there you have it, folks.
Thank you John Carpenter, thankyou Kurt Russell, thank you
Keith David, thank you WilfordBrimley and thank you listeners.
And thank you Glass Gal.
Goodnight Bye.
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