December 17, 2025 • 62 mins
We mark our 100th episode by reviewing Wicked 2 with clear eyes and full glasses, weighing standout CGI against flat lighting, soft songs, and a story that stalls whenever the music starts. The Oz lore tie-ins land, but the pacing and depth rarely do.
• definitive category ratings across acting, cinematography, score, story and rewatchability
• why blanket lighting flattens emotion and kills depth
• how song placement undercuts momentum and character beats
• propaganda, perspective and who gets to define “good”
• CGI creature work that actually impresses
• stage vs screen: why act two sag hits harder on film
• audience energy, theater vibes and expectations vs delivery
• our final verdict at 2.5 out of 5
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Yeah, well, well, uh, so we're gonna be talking
about that for the next hour.
Uh no, just kidding.
So we're actually gonna betalking about a new film, Wicked
2.
Uh, the wickeding, I don'tthink.
SPEAKER_04 (02:30):
Wicked for good.
Wicked for good.
SPEAKER_05 (02:33):
I swear I saw it.
Dirty the fog.
It's about some green chick,right?
Um, but uh yeah, we're gonna betalking about wicked.
All right, and what uh how we'regonna do it?
We're gonna break it down to athree-part method.
First, we're gonna give you thedefinitive rating of this.
All right, fuck Rotten Tomatoes,fuck uh all the other ones, fuck
Siegfried and Roy, whoever youknow, those two dudes.
(02:54):
Sigurd and Roy.
Um, we're better and we'redefinitive.
So there's that.
And then we're gonna break itdown, uh, get into our second
part where we jump onto thegolden path and we'll delve into
the deeper themes and uhmeanings behind Wicked 2, the
Wickening.
Um, sure.
(03:17):
I mean, yeah, they're lazy,tired, and you know, we're but
anyway.
Um, and then finally, um, in thethird part, we're going to
insert ourselves drugs oralcohol into it.
And uh what makes it so special,so fun, so fresh and new is that
we're gonna be doing it drunkand high.
So uh fellas, what are yousmoking this week?
SPEAKER_02 (03:39):
Splue slushy.
It's blue slushy.
I don't know why.
It just like it gives me like7-Eleven slushy vibes.
So I was just like blue slushy!
SPEAKER_05 (03:47):
Like you said blue.
I thought you said splue.
It's blue.
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Splue slush.
Yeah, splue slushy.
My favorite smoke is uh as forme, I'm not smoking today.
Instead, I took 10 milligrams ofdexmethylphenidate.
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Okay, it's all right.
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It is a uh stimulant medication for ADHD.
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Hell yeah.
Fuck yeah.
Um, and I'll be joining you guysuh with uh what the guy told me
was HD ADHD medication at thegas station and uh some wild
turkey 101.
Uh just bourbon straightwhiskey.
I'm gonna finish this bottle offtonight.
SPEAKER_02 (04:43):
Um more of a fan of the domesticated turkey whiskey,
but I like mine a little wild,especially after a handful of
pills.
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I get that hean.
So uh let's line them up in thisuh first shot.
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You have to do one, you have to do one dose of your
medication per shot.
Bro, like it had me when I firststarted, I was bouncing off the
wall.
Really?
Yeah, there's no way.
Now it's now it's more mellowedout, but do you find the focuses
there though?
Oh, yeah, absolutely.
(05:17):
Keep us on fucking track.
Oh damn.
Yeah, please.
SPEAKER_05 (05:21):
Well, um, this first toast, first shot, this one is a
special toast.
Um, it's got it's probably it'sgonna get me emotional.
This shot goes out to today, ourhundredth episode.
SPEAKER_04 (05:36):
Very exciting.
Goosebumps.
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So here's to our hundredth episode.
It's been a pleasure servingwith you gentlemen.
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Um beautiful centennial celebration.
Yes, with wicked.
For good.
God damn it.
We should have picked somethingbetter for this for this one.
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So cheers.
Disagree.
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I'm excited.
But uh yeah, it's been uh it'sbeen a hundred episodes.
We originally started this withTrey back in my Vegas apartment.
Um and look at us now.
Now he's dead.
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We just have to soldier on.
And we're and we're uh I thinkit's funny too that we're all
three separate parts of thecountry now, too.
Yeah.
Hey, from where you can wherethe where you guys started uh
back in the day.
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Nothing can stop this.
I mean, I remember we uh therewas a time where we had masks on
doing this in my uh living roomduring COVID.
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And which made it hard to pull kiss and pull them
down.
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Yeah, it's like our third shot kiss was very
awkward.
So uh but yeah, 100 episodes.
So congratulations, boys.
Very, very exciting.
So line them up.
This next uh next shot, theseones are going to go out to our
newest listeners, and I not touh, you know, toot our my horn
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some very creative VPNs.
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Or is that Lithuania?
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Cheers.
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SPEAKER_01 (08:19):
The Latvians.
Jesus.
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SPEAKER_05 (08:27):
Finally, this final toast, final shot, final hit.
This one goes out to our moviethis week.
Here's to Wicked 2.
The Wicked.
SPEAKER_01 (08:39):
I guess.
Judgment Day.
SPEAKER_02 (08:42):
Fuck.
It was certainly a movie.
SPEAKER_05 (08:48):
It was indeed that.
Ooh.
In the background, I'll be uhand Luke, you don't have to hide
your coughs, man.
Let 'em rip, dude.
SPEAKER_02 (08:58):
When it's too much, I get embarrassed.
SPEAKER_05 (09:02):
It it provides a sense of realism to the show.
SPEAKER_02 (09:05):
I can't let the people know I'm a big fat pus
though.
SPEAKER_05 (09:09):
Uh it's not about you know how big a hit you can
take.
It's about that you keep comingback.
SPEAKER_00 (09:15):
That's true, and take more hits.
I get that, I agree.
That's right.
SPEAKER_05 (09:18):
Yeah.
It's not how many times you getknocked out, it's how many times
you get back up.
So alright.
So it's time for part one ofthis thing.
It's time to rate this film.
Um, so wicked.
SPEAKER_02 (09:33):
You start off, Rye.
I want you just because the willthe liquor hits you later later
in this first section.
So you you gotta rip them.
Yep.
SPEAKER_05 (09:42):
Um, and well, my tolerance is becoming troubling.
But um until then, here we go.
So uh so wicked too.
Acting, I don't know.
I don't know.
SPEAKER_02 (09:55):
Um so so it's just that the drinking is an excuse.
SPEAKER_05 (10:05):
I don't know, man.
Uh they they certainly had linesand they read them when they
weren't singing.
They said things, they saidthings, they sang things, uh
Bloom was there.
He did, he was there.
He did a little dance.
He did a little dance.
Um but uh I I don't know.
(10:28):
Um, I I don't know.
I I feel that uh Cynthia did adid a good job.
Um as far as the acting went.
Um to me it was a little hammy,but you know, it's a musical.
Um a big problem with me andmusicals is that my brain is
wired to see over expression aseither corny or you're trying to
(10:55):
play me.
Um and so I always kind of comeinto these things with a big
sense of um uncomfortableness.
Uh the way these charactersbehave, the way they act, it
rubs me the wrong way.
Um so uh just I guess as adisclaimer, I'm not a musical
fan.
I like comedy musicals umbecause the songs are more of a
(11:19):
punchline.
But in this, to me, the musicwas just like slamming the
brakes every time the story wasgaining a little bit of fucking
steam.
Um and I gotta hear a song, andI hate fucking key changes.
And just so the songs are justreiterating what was just being
discussed.
Like you just said that to me.
(11:39):
You don't need to sing about it.
You you already covered that.
Thank you very much, Cynthia.
Um, and uh so I I was verytroubled by it all.
I I did not think um ArianaGrande's acting was really
anything to write home about.
Um Jeff Goldblum was justhimself.
(12:00):
I truly believe that that's JeffGoldblum in his kitchen.
SPEAKER_02 (12:05):
Yeah, yeah.
They didn't he didn't have ascript.
SPEAKER_05 (12:08):
They just played he was being filmed.
These two women walked into hishouse.
SPEAKER_02 (12:13):
Yeah, he got his invite to the red carpet, and he
was like, What the fuck?
I was in I was in a movie.
SPEAKER_05 (12:20):
Um, yeah, so I believe that was just him in his
house um filmed on site, youknow.
Um, so yeah, the acting on thisone, uh I'm gonna have to give a
2.5.
Um yeah, there that sounds fair.
There's just there was nothinghere that um moved me in any
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sort of way.
And yeah, uh cinematography, Ithought was fantastic.
Um there were uh especially whenthey uh I loved the way that uh
the wicked witch traveled.
I I loved that.
Uh I loved uh shots with her andthe monkeys, and um, I thought
that was really well done.
None of the special effectsreally pulled me out of it.
(13:05):
Um even I thought the uh theanimal CGI was fantastic.
Um but like that's also Disney'sfucking wheelhouse.
If they fuck that up, then whynot?
It's universal.
Yeah.
Oh, is it Universal?
SPEAKER_02 (13:17):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_05 (13:18):
Oh.
I don't know who owns anyoneanymore.
Um that's true.
SPEAKER_02 (13:23):
I go to Universal Studios all the time, so and
then you got a wicked store.
SPEAKER_05 (13:28):
Really?
Yeah.
Oh.
Well, especially now that justNetflix just bought fucking uh
Warner Brothers, and it's it'sjust so HBO's gone.
But um anyway, uh score.
Um I saw the first Wicked.
Uh I wouldn't care for either.
Oh, oh, yeah, with thecinematography.
(13:48):
I'm gonna give it a four.
unknown (13:51):
Cool.
SPEAKER_05 (13:51):
Okay.
Yeah, I'm gonna give that afour.
Um the score and soundtrack, uh,it's not for me.
I hate key changes.
I there and outside of thesesongs that were just fucking
stabbing my ears, uh there wasnothing there was nothing good.
Um, it was just enough to keepeverything going.
(14:11):
It wasn't as bad as the latestJurassic World outing.
SPEAKER_02 (14:15):
Um very little good views as just just soul crushing
of a movie experience as thatlatest Jurassic World.
unknown (14:27):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (14:28):
That was rough.
SPEAKER_05 (14:28):
That was really rough.
Yeah, it it it did enough to getto the next song, which I would
inevitably like the firstwicked, the songs didn't bother
me as much.
In this one, they were placed sopoorly, and it was just every
time that we were getting intothe story, and there was
actually about to be some formof you know momentum, it was
(14:52):
shot dead by a song that, in myhonest opinion, wasn't that
good.
SPEAKER_02 (14:58):
I was so my partner came, she told me that the
second act, which would be thismovie, is known to be weaker on
Broadway as well.
Well, um, this is change withmusic.
So that's like a big yeah, likeI I agree with that.
SPEAKER_05 (15:15):
Well, I got in the car with uh with my partner
Cali, and um she had to playversions of the song from the
Broadway, which she felt weremuch stronger on the stage, and
she also felt the same, but thisone was not as strong as the
first one.
Um so I I don't feel I'm beingunfair.
Like I I you know, I I didn'tlike it.
(15:38):
Um and I'm yeah, I'm gonna giveit a 2.5.
SPEAKER_02 (15:43):
I think something else to do with that pacing, and
you were talking about how itkind of like essentially
frustrated the story um and thepacing.
That's kind of like what thesongs were about.
Was in the first one, they werekind of getting built up, like
it was like forward momentum.
But in this one, everythingeverything that they were
singing about were frustrationsthey were facing that were
(16:03):
killing the forward momentum,yes.
Um which is it may be it may bethematic, but it's also not
enjoyable.
SPEAKER_05 (16:12):
No, no, it was like, yeah, just constantly getting
fucking story blue balls.
Oh yeah, yeah.
Uh like I'm just I'm just tryingto bust my nut here, and then
Ariana's got some shit to say.
Um and sing, sorry.
And I'm like, fuck.
Um the uh I actually used a fewof the songs on twice.
(16:36):
I used like, oh, they're aboutto sing.
I would go to the bathroom.
Um, I would order concessions.
I like they're gonna be at thatfor a while.
Um, I could come back.
So yeah.
So yeah, it wasn't as bad as thelatest Jurassic World, but it
wasn't much better either.
Um, story and plot, I felt itwas very rushed.
(17:01):
Um, like the first one, theythey spent so long just bringing
us into the wicked witch'sexperience and how she feels so
different and building thisfriendship with Ariana.
Uh and like there was so muchtime spent on it.
SPEAKER_02 (17:20):
The world building was astronomically better.
Because even like at one momentI wrote I I said to myself with
the the castle that they wentshe went to to hide with the
monkeys, that like upside downcastle thing.
Where the fuck was that?
Like, I don't understand inrelevance to anything.
SPEAKER_05 (17:35):
Like I like her new boyfriend just had a summer
castle.
SPEAKER_02 (17:39):
Oh, yeah, yeah, like he did mention it.
I forget that that one point.
He's like, Yeah, there was aline.
There's a line.
But like it just the worldbuilding just was not, I agree,
rushed at times.
It's like it's like anintroductory portion of a video
game where it like walks youthrough everything and you're
taking steps and physicallymoving from one location to the
next, and then you reach theouter world, and it's just like
(18:01):
fast travel.
There's like no, there's nooverland map, it's just here we
are, here we are, here we are,do this, here we are, do this.
And it's all it felt disjointed.
Yeah, yeah.
I agree.
SPEAKER_05 (18:11):
And and honestly, in my opinion, this was the worst
resistance movement I have everseen.
Um she kicks a couple builders.
SPEAKER_02 (18:22):
Um they're just working, man.
Like they they have they knowthey're not making decisions.
SPEAKER_05 (18:28):
She kicks a couple builders, um, gets frustrated,
and then I will never be goodagain.
I want to go off with my newboyfriend.
And so I'm like, okay, whatever.
Um, oh, but you're gonna singabout it.
Cool.
Um, so yeah, uh, for that story,um you can't say it was that bad
of a rebellion because itweren't technically successful.
(18:51):
I mean, maybe we don't we don'tknow.
But it didn't make sense that itdid.
Like Ariana gets up on stage andit's just like racism is over
now, animals come out.
SPEAKER_02 (19:00):
Do we actually trust Ariana Grande to keep that up?
She was pretty easilymanipulated before.
Extremely I don't disagree.
Then she was easily manipulatedagain by the trick of pretending
to die.
I mean, so I don't know.
SPEAKER_05 (19:15):
I was confused, like Cynthia, why are you falling for
this?
Ariana is the most two-facedperson in this world.
At least when you're talking toum uh your old headmaster, you
know where she fucking stands.
Yeah, she's you know, she knowslike and but then but then even
(19:36):
Cynthia was ready to like,alright, fuck it.
And it wasn't until she wouldlike she knew that they were
keeping animals, she knew that,but she had to come face to face
with it before she made themoral choice.
Yeah, and it's like, how goodare you people?
Come on now.
Um uh and but yes, the story Igive it a two.
(19:56):
Um rewatchability.
I will never watch this again,um unless I am found and gagged.
Um like I I I will never watchthis again.
SPEAKER_02 (20:10):
Smash my own head on the floor until I was
unconscious to avoid watchingit.
SPEAKER_05 (20:16):
Yeah.
Um, like if Callie wants towatch it again, cool, I'll sit
there, but I will be sointoxicated and wasted on
sleeping pills that I will notactually be watching it.
So um For that, I giveRewatchability a one.
SPEAKER_04 (20:33):
Tough crowd.
SPEAKER_02 (20:37):
Well next.
No, no, no.
I want to if I want to wrap thisbad boy up based on based on
opinion so far.
So I like musicals.
I've seen quite a few musicalsthat I really like.
Yeah, I know you.
Yeah, I've heard.
I I I also watch like musicaltelevision shows.
Like I I'll I'll go out of myway to watch obscure musical
(21:00):
television like Schmigadoon onApple TV or Gallivant, which was
a show that came out in like 20the 2010s on ABC.
Like I like musicals, I reallyenjoy them.
I think when they're good,they're good.
And this one I did not think wasvery good for several reasons.
(21:21):
I thought the acting was uh wasserviceable in a lot of times,
but yeah, I felt like theydidn't, you know, the over, you
know, when musicals overselltheir acting, it's usually with
a wink and you know a nudge.
And this one didn't have enoughwinking and nudging.
(21:43):
It it took its it was likepretty self-serious.
Um it was up its own ass.
And I didn't I didn't like that.
Uh I mean that didn't do it forme, especially because the
audience was like all children.
I don't know what your theaterswere like, but my theaters were
like my theater wasn't evenfully packed.
It was like the biggest, it wasthe biggest theater they had,
(22:04):
and we were like, okay, we'regonna go sit in a in a theater
full of people to get reactions,and it was like not even nearly
full.
It was the right day after itcame out.
Yeah, we I watched it in IMAX.
Oh, really?
Yeah, biggest possible uhtheater they had for the IMAX
showing, and it was only likemaybe half full.
And uh and nobody was even thatinterested.
(22:27):
It's hard to uh, you know, I Idon't know what your guys'
theory was like, but that was myexperience, and it definitely it
definitely fit with my ownperceptions of the movie.
Um yeah, the acting wasn't verytouching for me.
I give it like a three, I give athree.
Uh the cinematography, you know,like you said, the CGI for like
the animals was really good, andI enjoyed the CGI overlay for
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the sets.
I thought the sets were werenice.
My big problem with this onespecifically is with their
lighting techniques.
I don't know how you guys feltabout the lighting, but the it
was the lighting was so flatacross the entire movie.
(23:10):
And the reason it's like that isbecause so they made a bunch of
like real sets for like themunchkin land and shit.
It was all outdoors, and whatthey did was they took this
giant fucking tarp, like thisgiant white tarp, and put it
across over the entire set andthen shined light down on the
(23:31):
tarp so that there's no onepoint of light coming into the
frame.
It's just this blanket of lightthat's all the same across the
entire thing.
That's why every that's whythey'd switch cameras from one
person to the other, and italways looked like light was
coming toward their face nomatter where it was.
(23:52):
And it everything, it made justeverything feel so fucking flat.
There was no dynamism to theirmovements or or their cut the
colors, because there was noshadows, like it was uh it it
just it just felt it felt almostAI generated because it was just
(24:14):
so there there was there was thethings that make vision real
were gone, you know?
It was it was a totallyartificial thing, light, light
they created.
Um and then and then they likewent on and they filmed all of
it that way, even the darkscenes, they'd go in and dim,
(24:34):
dim everything in post.
SPEAKER_05 (24:37):
Well, I felt that was the case when they were
doing when the animals weregoing underneath the yellow
brick road.
Like it felt that felt bizarre.
Like everything was dark, butnot, and there were there was no
shadow.
SPEAKER_02 (24:48):
Everything in the tower, too.
Everything and like every all ofthat was filmed the same way
with this flat light across thewhole thing, and and and then
they darken it in post.
And it's just it's it's fuckingawful.
It's a it's a thing that I hatein movies.
Uh for for for a for adifference, if you want to see
where where cinematography andshadows are like really
(25:09):
apparent, good boy that wereviewed earlier this year, that
had amazing directional lightingthat made the scenes good and
like and made them visuallyappealing.
Agreed.
Um, yeah, so so I'm gonna takethis down.
I'm gonna say this is it's onlya three first the it was a huge
(25:29):
problem throughout the wholemovie.
It took me out of it the wholetime.
Score and soundtrack, like Isaid, I like musicals.
I couldn't tell you a singlesong from this one.
I personally, I I guess the songI liked the most was the Tin Man
song.
I enjoyed that.
I enjoyed the scenes that wentalong with it.
Um, I just didn't like the songsof this one.
(25:51):
I did like the songs in thefirst one.
Um so score soundtrack, I'mgonna give a three.
Story plot really predictable,serviceable though.
I mean I from a mile away, Icould tell you that the two guys
in the movie were going tobecome the scarecrow and the tin
(26:14):
man, because we we already sawwe already met the cowardly
lion.
I was like, oh well, you know,those two guys.
Yeah, it was incredibly adorablefor sure.
SPEAKER_05 (26:23):
I I loved him.
He was kill myself or others forthat lion.
SPEAKER_02 (26:31):
He was like uh he was a cowardly sympathizer,
though.
SPEAKER_05 (26:36):
That's true.
But uh, I mean that's uh youknow, pretty bias.
SPEAKER_02 (26:40):
Yeah, true.
unknown (26:42):
True.
SPEAKER_02 (26:43):
I've been dealing with him my whole life.
Um story plot give it a three.
Um rewatchability.
What'd you give for the score?
I missed it, I'm sorry.
Three.
Okay.
It's not the worst I've everheard, but man, I've I left that
movie going like uh what what amI do what are we doing?
(27:06):
You know, um and then story plotthree, just because like I said,
serviceable.
But rewatchability, I'm notgonna watch this again.
SPEAKER_01 (27:17):
One I'm not gonna watch this again.
No, I'm gonna I don't want towatch it.
Please can we please findsomething else?
SPEAKER_05 (27:27):
For the love of God.
I hear Beavis and Butthead doAmerica's on the other channel.
SPEAKER_02 (27:33):
Yeah, I'll watch, I'll watch.
You know, I won't watch JurassicWorld.
I'd watch this over JurassicWorld.
I would tell you, yeah.
SPEAKER_05 (27:41):
Yeah, yeah.
But it's agreed.
But I'm pretty sure I gaveJurassic World a zero.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (27:47):
First ever allowed zero, the only one.
SPEAKER_01 (27:50):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (27:51):
But it deserved.
Yeah, deserved.
SPEAKER_01 (27:54):
Damn, that move is bad.
SPEAKER_02 (27:56):
We we we watched this movie, and then afterward,
we were literally like, at leastit wasn't as bad as Jurassic
World.
Scarlett, like with ScarlettJohansson not acting at all,
like not having any kind ofcharacter.
SPEAKER_05 (28:11):
Jurassic World is so bad that we subconsciously let
Rebel Moon off the hook.
SPEAKER_02 (28:18):
Yeah, yeah, it's true.
Agreed.
Awful.
All right, let me get justawful.
Yeah, yeah, Luke.
Let us know what you think.
Okay, so I kind of disagree withyou guys on acting.
I I feel like the acting wascompetent on most levels.
Yo, I do.
I think everybody was.
I said it was competent.
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I said it was competent free.
So you guys did not like ArianaGrande, but that is how Glinda
is as a character.
Um, and even in Broadway, she isvery like get Kristen Shenwith
in here, de-age her.
I'm just saying, so I I I feellike the acting was just like
just that one step above.
I don't think it wasrevolutionary.
(29:00):
I don't think like this to befair, I feel like story and plot
a lot of times can affect actingjust because of what can be
provided to a story throughthrough the acting, if that
makes sense.
Like, you know, if if the storyisn't dynamic enough, then like
how dynamic can the actingreally be?
But I gave the acting a four.
(29:21):
Um cinematography CGI.
So I a hundred percent agreewith the lighting.
I actually like by the fifthscene, I was like, what the fuck
is going on?
I said, like, I was like, why iseverything and I didn't really
even click it with the lighting,but you you saying it has made
me re think maybe I was just sofucking checked out that I
(29:43):
overrated myself.
And I just actually went back toand looked at photos.
It's it's true, and I even seethe fact that it's like like
every so there's a scene, uh,the end scene where she, you
know, the sun's behind them, andit should be really glowing and
like almost orange, and like youknow, it's like sunset, and it
but it's not, it's just afucking yellow, and their faces
are somehow bright as well atthat moment.
(30:03):
But there should be like ashadow around their face on some
level if the sunlight was comingfrom behind them, and that's I'm
looking at that picture rightnow.
Holy shit, it should be an easything to do, and you're right,
it uh it takes you out of it.
Um, but I do think like the CGIon like those monkeys, I think
were sick.
Like I fuck, I was like, theywere cool.
I was like, Whoa, those lookfucking cool.
(30:24):
And I so it kind of brought mein.
I gave it a 3.5.
Um Universal also does Planet ofthe Apes, right?
So it's the same, yeah.
It was like the same ape.
Like his look blue Caesar likefucking Caesar.
Blue blue Caesar with wings, I'min.
Yeah, all right.
I fucking love so yeah, I gaveit a 3.5.
Uh you know, I thought it was itwas good, but again, there
(30:45):
wasn't the the uh those theflatness is I I agree with what
exactly with that that's a greatword for it.
Just like, what the fuck?
Uh what the fuck's going on?
Why?
What is happening?
It took all the depth out ofevery and you even see like in
Unreal.
I again looked back at photos.
There's another shot where likethere's light on their faces,
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and then it's the same exactlight.
I see what you're saying, all onthe background, everything in
the background, no shadows inthe fucking background.
Like, why yeah, there should beand like shadowing and stuff is
what gives frames depth, andit's what gives you know those
that that uh you knowperspective.
So, yeah.
Anyways, the score soundtrack, Iagree.
(31:27):
It was like I came out, and Ithe first thing I said to
Cameron, I was like, I don'tlike that one as much.
I don't it because so the songsfor me, like I love musicals,
and I just got into them morerecently, but I liked even like
I didn't even realize like highschool musical is a musical, and
I loved those movies likegrowing up, and like so I feel
like I do enjoy that, and Ithink the songs are big pieces
(31:49):
of the story, and like this oneI agree, it kind of sets up and
then just says the same thingover.
I don't mind that sometimes, butthis one I don't the songs
weren't that memorable or likegood.
I remember like oh every kid outof the theater when I was
leaving the first one wassinging the songs, like that
fucking no, every kid, like it'siconic.
(32:11):
It was really, really good.
Um, and this one left me justlike wanting more.
And I feel like, you know, as amusical, the soundtrack should
be standout.
Like if you're not, you know, ifyour soundtrack isn't high, what
like that should be yourbiggest, biggest seller.
So I actually give it a 2.5.
Um the story plot was definitelythe weakest point of it.
(32:32):
It was kind of thrown forward.
I feel like what happened withthis story is the first act.
So the first act I feel like islike set up and it's like really
well thought out and built theworld out.
And then the second act is likethis like bow on it with just
trying to kind of piece togetherhow it connects to Wizard of Oz.
Um, and that's how it feels tome.
It feels like it's just like, ohand then and then the line was
(32:55):
here in the scarecrow, andthat's how he came, and then the
10 minute, and then like here'sDorothy, and that then the one
that's how her legs were underit, it's her sister, and like it
just like it all felt verythrown forward in that way.
Um, and I wasn't a fan, so um, Idid come out of the theater
again, like just being like,huh, wow, I I really liked the
first one.
I remember coming out of thefirst one at least, and this is
(33:15):
an old memory, but I rememberliking it quite a bit, like I
enjoyed the movie.
Um, but I gave the story plot a2.5.
You know, um, it it's it wasinteresting you said that about
it just you know, being just atie-in.
Um, and it it's like asubversion, it's like the
classic um, you know, it was sothe book the novel was written
(33:36):
in the 90s, and in the 90s, thatwas a really big time for like
story and fairy tale and childstory subversions, or you take
it and turn it on its head, andnow it feels really like trite
to us or quaint.
Yeah, or it's like it's like,oh, you took a fairy tale and
turned it on its head, greatfucking job.
(33:58):
You know, like everybody'sthought of that, like uh and
maybe the stage play it it comesthrough better.
Like maybe that second, it'sbecause Cam like speaks very
highly of this one.
She's seen it on Broadway, she'sseen it off Broadway.
Like, she really loves the storyof Wicked.
She was also a child when itcame out.
Yes, but she's seen it since asan adult.
(34:19):
But nostalgia's nostalgia's ason of a bitch, yeah.
SPEAKER_05 (34:23):
Yeah, from what I understand, the book um delves
much better into the themes thatit was trying to hit on than
this movie or even the Broadwayplay were ever capable of.
Sure.
You know, where they they kindof like eh, human rights aren't
as important as nailing thisnext shitty music number.
SPEAKER_02 (34:46):
Yeah, I I agree.
God, I want to go watch Chicagonow.
Um that's what I'm gonna do.
Let's go watch Chicago.
SPEAKER_05 (34:52):
I'm gonna watch Chicago.
Alright, everybody, take iteasy.
SPEAKER_02 (34:54):
We're gonna go uh and then last but not least,
rewatchability.
I I can't say that it's like gunto my head.
Like, I mean, I probably like Icould see Mia Cam wanting to
finish the story of Wicked.
She likes it enough, and I don'thate it enough that I I'm not
like opposed.
SPEAKER_05 (35:13):
Um I definitely sound like a wicked sympathizer.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (35:18):
We need to put you the cowardly lion.
I just yeah, I didn't I didn'thate it that that much to the
point where I'd be like, I'llnever ever watch it again.
I could I could see I coulddefinitely see me and Cam on a
fucking but it's definitely notwhen I'm adding to a yearly
list.
Like I like I'm definitelygiving pushback, and then
there's gonna be that one timeshe asked, I'll be like, Yeah,
fine, let's put it on.
(35:39):
Like, sounds good.
Um but I do, you know, fourtimes before that I'll be like,
I ain't watching Wicked thisweek, or maybe we're we're we're
not doing that.
There's a new jujutsu Kaisenmovie, and that's what we're
going to see.
Um we'll see that three times inthe runtime of Wicked.
So uh yeah, I gave it a two.
SPEAKER_05 (35:59):
So long.
Oh my god, it was so long.
But sorry, continue.
SPEAKER_00 (36:03):
Oh no.
I just deleted it.
SPEAKER_02 (36:07):
Uh so yeah, and I gave that a two, um, which gives
us a grand total of a 2.5 out offive for the movie of Wicked.
That's fair.
Yeah.
Um I agree, I I feel like that'spretty fair, especially
considering I feel I think likethe hype, but I feel like the
first story carries the this manthis story quite a bit.
(36:28):
Like if you think of it as likea grand story that's being told,
you're like, okay, it's likekind of a like tied up bow, but
it's still not great.
But like it's it would kind oflike bring that one down a
little bit, but uh you know,this one was definitely low.
I'd probably I'd probably putthe other one at like 3.5 or 4.
If I had I'd put like 3.5.
Yeah, but which Googaloo is justworse.
(36:52):
It's just worse.
SPEAKER_05 (36:54):
All right, well, there you have it, folks.
So uh Wicked 2 uh judgment daygets a 2.5 out of five.
SPEAKER_02 (37:05):
Linda Hamilton could have lifted this.
SPEAKER_05 (37:08):
Oh, yeah, without a doubt.
With uh we she has a proventrack record of taking back
shots, and that would have beenum that would have been
something.
So um, congratulations, wickedto uh 2.5.
Yeah, I guess that yeah, thatcosts me a lot of money to see
(37:30):
in today's fucking economy.
The 2.5 pisses me off.
So um well, it's time now to hoponto the golden path, which
means it's time for one moreshot, one more hit.
This one wicked two.
Cheers.
SPEAKER_02 (37:48):
Twice to wicked is why uh I would like this one to
go out to musicals and yeah,yes, appreciate it.
SPEAKER_05 (37:58):
All right, to the pirates of pizzans, cheers,
cheers.
SPEAKER_00 (38:10):
I'm just thinking about me and this film.
SPEAKER_05 (38:16):
We'll get there so we'll get there soon enough, all
right?
We we can't blow our loads yet.
We can't disappoint this crap.
SPEAKER_00 (38:23):
I bet Jake, I'm sorry.
SPEAKER_05 (38:25):
All right, so it's time for part two.
It's time to jump onto thegolden path.
So, what are some the the deepermeanings of this one were
fucking slammed into us facefirst with a ballpoint hammer.
Listen, um racism bad.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (38:40):
Racism bad.
True.
Racism bad.
Yeah, true.
True, no doubt.
No doubt.
A deeper just like thought ormore like concept, which I do
enjoy that this the story ofwicked in general kind of set
tells, is the differentperspectives, like tale.
Um, because obviously, like theWizard of Oz being the known
(39:01):
story, Dorothy, the wicked, youknow, witch of the East is
killed.
Yay, now we need to kill theit's very like clear that the
propaganda being fed to thesepeople is effective and able to
portray a completely differentstory from what's really
happening on the back end, whichis what Wicked is telling us is
that the wicked witch of theWest is not wicked.
(39:23):
She is technically like a goodwitch, and there's a government,
a tyranny, tyrannical,tyrannical, tyrannical, whatever
tyrannical, you got it.
Yeah, type of government that isum basically telling whatever
story and kind of just fakingthis magic that doesn't actually
exist, or what the wicked witchof the west has and does and
(39:44):
wants to use for good.
She's a true good soul.
So I think, like, in general,that is a cool concept to do,
and that's what kind of broughtme into the first film, I think,
even more, was I was like, oh,like this is fucking sick.
Like, I love this conceptbecause I think it's really cool
when any story does that.
Like, I'm like, oh, I love thetwo cut.
I love when you cut like think acharacter is good and you get
(40:07):
later in a story, and it's like,no, like that's yeah, they're
not good.
You were just like being kind ofshown it from a perspective that
made them see in that light.
So and I think like it does thiswell, which is you know, it's
kind of an obvious theme, andyou know, it's it's done over
time in other movies and showsand what have you, but it's
still pretty cool.
(40:28):
I think it's it it it is areally I think the story of
Wicked and what what it doesthat that is sick.
SPEAKER_05 (40:34):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (40:34):
No, like Jason Bourne.
SPEAKER_05 (40:37):
Exactly.
I was watching it thinking, holyshit, this is Jason Bourne.
SPEAKER_04 (40:44):
Holy shit, it's alpha.
SPEAKER_05 (40:49):
He's got a sniper rifle on his fucking head.
That's how you lead aresistance.
SPEAKER_02 (40:58):
It's fucking, it's literally just Jeff Goldblum
dancing around, just headshotfucking through the radical
government done.
SPEAKER_00 (41:06):
Yo, let's get out of here.
SPEAKER_05 (41:07):
Yeah, that's that's a rat.
That was another thing.
Like, how many times did thisfucking domestic terrorist be
invited into the same room asher problem?
A bunch of times.
A bunch of fucking times.
And each time she was um sort ofpersuaded to start drifting
towards that side.
And um maybe it's easy.
(41:29):
Honestly, like, yeah, thesethings were uh okay.
So one thing I will say likewe're we're very quick to say
racism bad, like no fuckingshit.
Yeah, that's true.
Well, we live in a goddamn worldwhere you say something racist
now and get cancelled for it orwhatever it is, and you have
half of America sending youdonations to keep doing you.
(41:53):
Um so that's true.
SPEAKER_02 (41:54):
I mean, maybe some people do need to hear racism
bad.
SPEAKER_05 (41:58):
But those people aren't gonna be watching Wicked
2, I tell you that much.
Uh right.
SPEAKER_02 (42:02):
And they're not going to pick up on the themes
that, you know, uh authorityfigures will use misinformation
to paint actual goodness asevil.
SPEAKER_05 (42:16):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (42:17):
They're not gonna pick up on that.
SPEAKER_05 (42:19):
Well, I would say the only thing that this movie
did well was portraying that aperson with a disability is also
capable of being a massive pieceof shit.
SPEAKER_02 (42:28):
Yeah, they want you to know that.
They want you to know thatessentially everyone with a
disability is a threat and youshould treat them that way.
Immediately when they come inyour vicinity, you know, clock
them as a threat, knock them outof the wheelchair.
SPEAKER_05 (42:45):
Clock them neutralized.
Neutralize the threat, move on.
Always to the left, left, left,left.
SPEAKER_02 (42:54):
That's what they were going for.
Exactly.
Obviously.
That's what they'll get from it.
Now, I'm not saying that's whatthe movie was going for, but a
certain person's gonna watchthis and be like, you're right.
Sable people are fucking awful.
They'll cast, they'll do,they'll they're they're
self-centered, they're theydon't give a shit about you,
(43:16):
they use their disability totrap you.
Some people are some people aregonna pick up that's what
they're gonna get from.
SPEAKER_05 (43:22):
Well, I mean, luckily, those people also
weren't watching it.
So I I saw this film um in uhthe heart of Missouri, and the
theater was empty.
And and that's because the onlypeople in this town who wanted
to watch it at seven o'clock atnight uh were busy.
Uh they they had a lot of tradwife shit to do.
Um, they're not gonna be able tosee Wicked until you know their
(43:46):
man is at work or out gambling,um, and they catch it really,
really fast on a VPN, like mostof our listeners.
So um my theater was fuckingempty.
Uh I mine is almost full.
SPEAKER_01 (44:04):
Really?
Really?
Yeah.
And floors.
Yeah.
Oh shit.
Huh.
Hell yeah, brother.
You guys I live in Orlando.
Oh, yeah.
Well, that makes sense.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (44:17):
Yeah.
Tourist town.
SPEAKER_05 (44:19):
Like, well, wasn't it uh was it a governor you guys
just no, it was a mayor ofsomewhere that you guys just
voted for that was fucking outof left field.
Ha.
SPEAKER_00 (44:31):
Don't know.
SPEAKER_05 (44:33):
Can't keep up on all of them.
Nope.
But uh yeah, um, yeah, but I I Ithink that the the the deeper
meaning here is that uh therewas no deeper meaning.
It's shit that we should allknow, but we live in a society
where not everyone fucking hascaught up with that.
SPEAKER_02 (44:48):
Um and also starve yourself until you're a skeleton
if you're a woman.
SPEAKER_05 (44:54):
Holy shit.
SPEAKER_02 (44:56):
Like there were some.
SPEAKER_05 (45:04):
Yeah.
Um it it it just in terms oflike Ariana, I'm concerned.
SPEAKER_02 (45:09):
She didn't look that way in the first one, and
neither did uh Cynthia.
And in this one, it's very clearthat a bunch of people were
like, you should take Ozempic orsomething, and like they they
lost all of their subcutaneousfat, and they look like fucking
skeletons, and it's terrifying.
SPEAKER_05 (45:31):
Was that they went back to the first scene we saw
in Wicked One.
Ariana looked fantastic, youknow.
She she is she's a she's askinnier figure, that and which
is great.
Um but um in this one, she wentbeyond that, and what was what I
felt was kind of weird was thatthe studio put those two
(45:52):
stickers on her clavicles thatweren't there in the first one.
SPEAKER_02 (45:58):
It was to hide how deep the recess was because she
was starved.
SPEAKER_05 (46:05):
So uh, but and what's funny, so I I think that
this might be like one of thegolden path portions of it.
I saw someone today um making acomment on how terrible um men
are when they method act, whichuh Jared Leto has shown us that
yes, they fucking are.
SPEAKER_02 (46:24):
Um I think I think I don't think it comes down to
gender.
I think just sometimes they'regood and bad actors.
And also not for nothing.
Like with method acting, ifyou're like being a character
that's shitty, like you're gonnalike they're treating people
like shit around like set andstuff.
Yeah, like being that.
SPEAKER_05 (46:42):
Well, and here I'm like, well, like just what the
fuck was this?
And like I went into this and Ilike I was force-fed these
goddamn interviews um that uhCynthia and Ariana were on, and
just how fucking creepy theywere.
Um and I walked into this moviealready on a bad footing just
(47:08):
because of how uncomfortablethese two women made me go, me,
the white male.
SPEAKER_02 (47:14):
It was like a meme around the internet about that.
Like the people were saying,like, why are why are all the
interviews weird?
Why are they like, what is goingon with this cast?
Like, like it was like Do weneed an investigation?
Yeah, there was like there was aguy who had a premiere like ran
out and like grabbed ArianaGrande, and that's where I saw
like them offset, and like theylooked like fucking ghouls.
(47:37):
They like the you could see liketheir their bones in their arms
in their upper in their upperand lower arms, and I was like,
oh, what the fuck?
What's going on?
Like, I was afraid he he brokeher just by hugging her or
whatever.
Yeah, and um which he shouldn'thave done.
SPEAKER_05 (47:53):
He should not have done her.
SPEAKER_02 (47:54):
She shouldn't have done, and I was worried not just
for her safety when it comes toher bodily autonomy, but her
physically physical safety,because I can't imagine that
their bodies could withstand anykind of physical force.
Yeah, yeah.
It's really wild.
SPEAKER_05 (48:11):
Like just discussing from this this this place where
I realize that we are threewhite men.
I get that.
Um, and I'm trying to be as youknow respectful in that regard
as I can.
SPEAKER_02 (48:23):
It's not about beauty, you know, it's not about
beauty.
We're not criticizing theirbeauty or anything.
It's like very concerning thatthey have no muscle or fat on
their body that humans need.
SPEAKER_05 (48:37):
But like I and just like the way they were behaving,
like I felt very I wasuncomfortable.
I was uncomfortable by thiswhole thing.
I maybe not I can't necessarilyput it on any one thing, like
like everything about it, thebehaviors, the way the actors
were talking, like I was off putby this film before I walked
(48:57):
into it.
Um and had I have walked into afive out of five film, that's
one thing where I'm like, okay,you guys like dislike you guys
did something here.
SPEAKER_02 (49:06):
Uh like Christian Bale in The Machinist, where he
was like skin and bones, butthat was part of the movie.
Like, I people were c rightlyconcerned about him.
Which they should have been.
Yeah, like he he probablyshouldn't have done all that.
No, he should not have but alsothere was a point in the movie.
SPEAKER_05 (49:24):
Yeah, it was freaky.
It was freaky.
Um, and it's well, it's like thesame, but like Jared Leto has no
excuse.
Um, he needs to go away, to behonest with you.
But um, but like Heath Ledgerlike losing his fucking mind for
Joker, um, all those sorts ofthings.
Like, a lot of it's like, guys,at the same time, I can't argue
with Heath Ledger's results.
(49:46):
Um, and he will probably walkedinto that knowing that he was
about to be torn apart by uhsuch a sick fan base when it
comes to those things.
I remember when he did that andeveryone was like, he's not Jack
Nicholson, fuck him, fuck him.
Um, but then all of a sudden nowhe's like one of the he's
revered.
Um just not just not as much asJared Leto.
(50:11):
No, no, obviously not.
And I don't think anyone can beas revered as Jared Leto,
especially there's a wholegeneration that's like Jared
Leto is my joker.
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (50:22):
That's that's not true.
No, it is.
I swear.
No, there's no one who saidthat.
There's there's no there isthere is a weird not just the
younger generation, it's alsothe very old generation that's
like actually Jared Leto is myjoker.
SPEAKER_05 (50:35):
This is what it was supposed to be.
When I was watching JackNicholson uh back in '89, um, I
wondered why he didn't have astomach tap.
Um I was very confused.
Um, but uh honestly becausethey're closeted at homosexuals
and they actually are in lovewith the Joker and they like the
stomach tap.
SPEAKER_02 (50:56):
Yeah.
No one says that though, you'rewrong.
I don't believe it as a target.
SPEAKER_05 (51:01):
There is a strange uh there is a strange Snyder
cult that's popped up andthey've just feed off of being
the odd people out.
You know, it's like ever thereis any sort of cultural thing,
um, whether it's, you know, yougot Snyder's cuts, you got um
fucking wicked, you got like TSwift, you know, like whatever
(51:24):
it is that you attach onto, youlabel yourself that, and then
you're willing to die on thisfucking hill for someone who
would not die on any hill foryou.
Um, and it turns into this justbizarre fucking like I don't
know.
Human beings just need to givethe planet back to the animals,
I think.
Um, I don't know.
(51:45):
Um we're we're just notresponsible enough for fucking
anything.
SPEAKER_02 (51:50):
Well, all I can tell you is that I would die for Mark
Paul Gossler and Saint VandaBell.
SPEAKER_05 (51:56):
Oh, you're in the Gossler cult.
All right.
I like that.
But like people definethemselves by this like
celebrity worship and culturehills, and I I think it's just
because we have no agency in ourown lives, and we have to find
these statements that we candefine ourselves with.
(52:17):
And when you take a step backand look at it, it's like you
need to just get fuckingprofessional help, is what you
need.
No heroes, no heroes, no gods,no masters, no heroes.
That's right.
Fucking hell.
Yeah, I think that's the deeperpoint of wicked too.
SPEAKER_04 (52:37):
No gods, no heroes, no masters.
SPEAKER_05 (52:43):
Oh, Jesus Christ.
Um, well, I I I'm good with it.
I'm good with it.
I think it's time to insertourselves into this shit, yeah?
Sure.
Let's do it.
So, part three, it's time toinsert ourselves, drugs or
alcohol, into Wicked Two, theWickening, Judgment Day.
Um, what happens?
Uh Luke, you had us start on thefirst one.
(53:05):
So, Luke, you start on this one.
What changes when you involveyourself in this?
SPEAKER_02 (53:10):
So I'd like to think that I would just have enlisted
into the military, like like Idid.
You'd be a monkey and military.
I don't break my feet though, soyeah.
No, no, no.
Yeah, no, I'm the person that'swith the team that's hunting the
wick witch.
Oh, okay.
Um, but I actually have no clue.
Obviously, like my perception ofthis is the witch is bad.
Um, and I'm literally just like,yeah, fuck the witch.
(53:32):
So I'm basically, you know, likethe people who unfortunately
were invading Afghanistan andIraq and they're just ignorance,
uh, just kicking indoors.
Or Poland.
Yeah, or Poland.
Any, I guess any any governmentthreat.
Uh so yeah, just kickingindoors, and I'm just trying to
find that witch.
Like, and that's that's probablymy whole role.
And at one point, they actuallyuh a musical breaks out and they
(53:57):
tell me do not sing, justfucking lip sing because I was
so bad.
Um, and they just so I'm in thebackground just lip singing just
a little bit off uh in in one ofthe scenes.
And you're like, wait a second,where the hell is my shadow?
What the fuck?
What is this land?
SPEAKER_05 (54:16):
Could you imagine how disorienting that would be?
SPEAKER_02 (54:18):
Yeah, it would be weird.
It'd be weird.
So yeah, that's how my uh Iwould I wouldn't change it all
that much, honestly.
The film would stay drasticallythe same.
Um except, you know, I wouldkind of be questioning, like, I
feel like we're just I feel likewe're just not looking in the
right place, guys.
Like like the guy like theprince is trying to like lure us
off, he's probably gonna take mein the back alley and shoot me
(54:38):
because he I'm I'm getting ontothe wicked witch.
I'm I'm actually hunting her,I'm finding her.
Um and uh and all the pieces arestarting to go together.
So that's that's you that's youdon't even have our we the
baddies moment.
All the way until your eventualdeath.
(55:00):
That's how I rented this oneout.
Propaganda gets you.
SPEAKER_00 (55:04):
It does, it does.
And in this world, I'm justsusceptible to it,
unfortunately.
And that's that's my wicked.
What about James?
SPEAKER_02 (55:13):
Very nice.
James?
Oh yeah, sure.
Uh so I would are are we takingthese movies as like uh one
piece, like the wicked thewicked uh series, like the two
movies, like I can be acharacter in both of them, or
sure.
SPEAKER_05 (55:30):
Or would I have to come in for just a second?
Be here for Wicked Judgment Day.
SPEAKER_02 (55:36):
Yeah, sure, sure.
Technically, I was I enlisted inthe first one.
I had already moved up in theranks and was a part of the
prince's team.
We saw him in the backgroundsigning a pay.
It could be the whole franchisewith land ice.
So you would see me in thebackground in the in the first
movie.
I would be uh I would be servinglunch.
(55:59):
I'd be in the school'scafeteria, the the the witch
school, and I would make sureall of these children get well
fed.
And I think that that would uhchange their demeanors a lot
because the starvation isn'teating their brains and making
them do incredibly stupid, crazyshit.
(56:23):
And uh so throughout the movie,you just see me like every time
I walk, like every time theystart saying something crazy, I
walk up, you know, like handthem a bowl of soup, and I'm
like, Yeah, go ahead, eat up, goahead, eat up, it's okay.
It's okay.
And then they start making gooddecisions, like, oh, I why don't
actually we just like you know,we can just talk out our
problems with the two of us,like Glenda and I can we can
talk about it and like sit downand come.
(56:43):
We don't have to like stay staya country apart and then only
meet up to sing at each othertwice.
You know, we can just we cantalk and uh and and they would
enjoy a nice matzo ball, and I'dgive them a little brisket, and
it would be great.
Uh the movie would totallychange.
Uh no one would be huntinganybody, or it would just be
(57:05):
like, oh, okay, yeah, we know wewe we're really good at
resolving problems now.
You know, you're my dad.
You know, you're my dad.
Oz wizard, you're my dad.
It's that easy.
SPEAKER_00 (57:17):
Easy peasy look at them and squeeze.
SPEAKER_02 (57:20):
Yeah, uh yeah, mine would and they'd fit and their
dresses would fit.
SPEAKER_05 (57:24):
Yes.
Yes.
Um, but uh like uh uh like I Idon't I don't I don't know what
to say from the Ariane.
SPEAKER_02 (57:35):
That's how you started section one as well.
That's exactly basically whatyou did in section two.
SPEAKER_05 (57:40):
Like Ariana looked fantastic.
Um and that was partly thelight.
That was partly the light.
SPEAKER_02 (57:49):
Like part of the lighting we talked about, it
made all those things disappear,all the like dents in her head
and stuff.
Do you remember from theinterviews?
Like she had all these likedivots in her head where her
skull was showing.
The light actually covers.
SPEAKER_05 (58:02):
I mean, when you have flat light and I can see
your rib cage from chest down.
That's bad.
But um, so for me, um, I wouldinsert myself, and I see that
this this green chick, which I'mstrangely attracted to, um, is
trying to run a rebellion.
(58:23):
And I see that everyone in thisworld is kind of a bitch.
Um, there it there would be ascene, so uh she'd be talking
about it.
You know what they need?
SPEAKER_02 (58:33):
Some penis.
SPEAKER_05 (58:36):
She'd be talking to Jeff Goldblum.
He needs to go.
Very obviously, he needs to go.
I would walk in and they're alltrying to cast spells that they
didn't seem to have full controlof.
And I would very slowly insert aknife into Jeff Goldblum's
forehead.
Um, I would let him drop to thefloor, and I'm like, Cynthia,
babe, uh, who do you need next?
(58:57):
And I would split the throat ofher old headmaster.
Um, I I would kill them all.
And I'm like, that's how you runa rebellion, babe.
Um, and uh we would have onespells.
And you guys are sitting herefucking around with magic that
doesn't seem to work.
It it makes clouds and things,that's cool, but it doesn't
(59:18):
change boots on the ground.
Um so I kill all the problems, Ihave sex with the wicked witch
of the west, and then becausepower corrupts absolutely, I
suck start a shotgun.
Um and uh that that's how themovie changes.
SPEAKER_00 (59:39):
James is the only one who survives in this film
after we join.
SPEAKER_02 (59:44):
Uh yeah, yeah.
I I uh, you know, I afterward Imake some musaka to try to calm
Alpha's spirits after her loverblew his brains out.
It's okay, darling.
Have your have some egg plan.
SPEAKER_05 (01:00:04):
Have some carbs.
Um you need it for your brain tofunction because you have some
grief to process.
SPEAKER_04 (01:00:15):
Yeah.
Um yeah, that's how I'd changeit.
Um I I think that's a phenomenalfilm.
It's pretty fun.
Five stars.
Good guys win.
Uh yeah.
Um So, well that's wicked forgood.
SPEAKER_05 (01:00:34):
Yeah, that's wicked for wicked for good.
Judgment day.
So uh for good.
Yeah, I'm like, look, powercorrupts absolutely.
I already saw you kind ofgetting weird when you thought
you could make it work.
So yeah, I'm just gonna suckstart this bad boy.
Now that I'm the green wizard orwhatever the fuck you people
(01:00:56):
say.
SPEAKER_02 (01:00:56):
Um stop putting people in this position.
It's me.
SPEAKER_05 (01:01:03):
Yeah.
Um and yeah, that so that'sthat's how that movie would
change.
Um, it's one for the children,really.
Uh I I need them to learn a reallesson.
SPEAKER_02 (01:01:13):
Yeah, somehow still rated PG 13.
SPEAKER_05 (01:01:17):
I get one fuck.
See, and I would use it, I'lltell you that much.
SPEAKER_02 (01:01:24):
No, it's you accidentally killed a wrong guy,
and then that's what's in thesun, but like you the knife's in
his head, and you're like, ahfuck.
SPEAKER_05 (01:01:35):
And that's why I suck starts shot.
SPEAKER_00 (01:01:39):
One too many.
SPEAKER_05 (01:01:42):
Well, I'm a monster.
Uh well, there you have it,folks.
Uh, wicked two, the wickeningjudgment day for all, or for
good, whatever.
Um, two out of five.
Wait, two point five out offive.
I'm your host, Ryan BarronNooth.
With me as always, JamesCroslin, Luke.
(01:02:03):
Uh, thank you all for joining uson our 100th episode.
If you enjoyed it, please likeand subscribe and do all the
things.
SPEAKER_02 (01:02:08):
Thanks so much to everybody.
SPEAKER_05 (01:02:10):
We love you.
Uh, five weeks from now, um,because we watched Wicked and
we're impressionable, you'll beable to see our clavicles on the
next recording.
So uh get ready for that.
Uh, we're all wearing uhsomething that stops at the neck
and uh really shows how muchwe've lost.
So enjoy it.
(01:02:31):
I don't fucking know.
I'm just riffing now.
Goodbye.
Bye.
Uh yeah, it turns out that you shouldn't be
shitting black clumps.
News to me.
unknown (00:37):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_05 (00:39):
That's the uh the corporate world we live in, you
know.
SPEAKER_02 (00:42):
So Hashtag we hate corporate America.
SPEAKER_05 (00:47):
Yep.
Kate the rich.
Uh we're a centerist podcast,really.
So well, you fellas ready to dothis thing?
SPEAKER_02 (00:57):
Let's do it.
I suppose as ready as I'llfucking ever be.
SPEAKER_05 (01:00):
Well, let's dive on.
This is this is a uh special onefor us, and I'll tell you why in
a second.
So hey everybody, welcome toHigh and Dry Podcast.
Uh I'm your host, Ryan BearNorth.
With me as always, JamesCrosslin, Luke.
Uh, we are the only podcastkeeping alive the fandom that is
saved by the bell, the collegeyears.
SPEAKER_00 (01:18):
Phenomenal.
SPEAKER_05 (01:20):
It was a uh in '93 to '94, they decided they needed
to do a Scrubs MD thing.
So was Fred Savage in that onetoo, I guess.
I don't think so.
No.
It honestly looks it looks likeum Paul Blart with a mullet, but
I'm not sure.
(01:42):
Like I can't be entirelycertain, but it looks very much
like Wait, what what what whatwas this program again?
Saved by the Bell.
Oh, saved by the Bell.
SPEAKER_02 (01:53):
I I thought you said Wonder Year.
I I got things mixed up.
SPEAKER_05 (01:56):
No, no.
SPEAKER_02 (01:57):
Saved by the Bell.
So Saved by the Bell collegeyears, I do remember that shit.
Uh I definitely remember that.
I remember Zach Morris being amon continuing to be a monster.
Um pretty sure they that's whenthey went to Hawaii.
That was their their Hawaiiepisode was in the college
years.
Um got to see.
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_05 (02:18):
Yeah, well, well, uh, so we're gonna be talking
about that for the next hour.
Uh no, just kidding.
So we're actually gonna betalking about a new film, Wicked
2.
Uh, the wickeding, I don'tthink.
SPEAKER_04 (02:30):
Wicked for good.
Wicked for good.
SPEAKER_05 (02:33):
I swear I saw it.
Dirty the fog.
It's about some green chick,right?
Um, but uh yeah, we're gonna betalking about wicked.
All right, and what uh how we'regonna do it?
We're gonna break it down to athree-part method.
First, we're gonna give you thedefinitive rating of this.
All right, fuck Rotten Tomatoes,fuck uh all the other ones, fuck
Siegfried and Roy, whoever youknow, those two dudes.
(02:54):
Sigurd and Roy.
Um, we're better and we'redefinitive.
So there's that.
And then we're gonna break itdown, uh, get into our second
part where we jump onto thegolden path and we'll delve into
the deeper themes and uhmeanings behind Wicked 2, the
Wickening.
Um, sure.
(03:17):
I mean, yeah, they're lazy,tired, and you know, we're but
anyway.
Um, and then finally, um, in thethird part, we're going to
insert ourselves drugs oralcohol into it.
And uh what makes it so special,so fun, so fresh and new is that
we're gonna be doing it drunkand high.
So uh fellas, what are yousmoking this week?
SPEAKER_02 (03:39):
Splue slushy.
It's blue slushy.
I don't know why.
It just like it gives me like7-Eleven slushy vibes.
So I was just like blue slushy!
SPEAKER_05 (03:47):
Like you said blue.
I thought you said splue.
It's blue.
SPEAKER_02 (03:51):
Splue slush.
Yeah, splue slushy.
My favorite smoke is uh as forme, I'm not smoking today.
Instead, I took 10 milligrams ofdexmethylphenidate.
SPEAKER_00 (04:08):
And so into a zante.
Okay, it's all right.
SPEAKER_02 (04:14):
It is a uh stimulant medication for ADHD.
SPEAKER_05 (04:22):
Hell yeah.
Fuck yeah.
Um, and I'll be joining you guysuh with uh what the guy told me
was HD ADHD medication at thegas station and uh some wild
turkey 101.
Uh just bourbon straightwhiskey.
I'm gonna finish this bottle offtonight.
SPEAKER_02 (04:43):
Um more of a fan of the domesticated turkey whiskey,
but I like mine a little wild,especially after a handful of
pills.
SPEAKER_05 (04:50):
I get that hean.
So uh let's line them up in thisuh first shot.
SPEAKER_02 (04:56):
You have to do one, you have to do one dose of your
medication per shot.
Bro, like it had me when I firststarted, I was bouncing off the
wall.
Really?
Yeah, there's no way.
Now it's now it's more mellowedout, but do you find the focuses
there though?
Oh, yeah, absolutely.
(05:17):
Keep us on fucking track.
Oh damn.
Yeah, please.
SPEAKER_05 (05:21):
Well, um, this first toast, first shot, this one is a
special toast.
Um, it's got it's probably it'sgonna get me emotional.
This shot goes out to today, ourhundredth episode.
SPEAKER_04 (05:36):
Very exciting.
Goosebumps.
SPEAKER_05 (05:40):
So here's to our hundredth episode.
It's been a pleasure servingwith you gentlemen.
SPEAKER_02 (05:44):
Um beautiful centennial celebration.
Yes, with wicked.
For good.
God damn it.
We should have picked somethingbetter for this for this one.
SPEAKER_04 (05:55):
So cheers.
Disagree.
SPEAKER_05 (05:59):
I'm excited.
But uh yeah, it's been uh it'sbeen a hundred episodes.
We originally started this withTrey back in my Vegas apartment.
Um and look at us now.
Now he's dead.
SPEAKER_02 (06:14):
We just have to soldier on.
And we're and we're uh I thinkit's funny too that we're all
three separate parts of thecountry now, too.
Yeah.
Hey, from where you can wherethe where you guys started uh
back in the day.
SPEAKER_05 (06:27):
Nothing can stop this.
I mean, I remember we uh therewas a time where we had masks on
doing this in my uh living roomduring COVID.
SPEAKER_02 (06:36):
And which made it hard to pull kiss and pull them
down.
SPEAKER_05 (06:39):
Yeah, it's like our third shot kiss was very
awkward.
So uh but yeah, 100 episodes.
So congratulations, boys.
Very, very exciting.
So line them up.
This next uh next shot, theseones are going to go out to our
newest listeners, and I not touh, you know, toot our my horn
(07:05):
or whatever the fuck, but uh wehave been seeing some fantastic
traffic lately, and um I'mexcited about it.
So this one goes out to like wegot North Lake uh to everyone
and your um various um fuckingwhat are they called?
God damn it.
It hides your uh locationbecause uh the Republicans are
(07:28):
banning corn in certain states.
Yes, yeah, so to all of you inyour various VPNs, such as
Council Bluffs, Iowa, uhScunthrope, North Lincolnshire,
Bergen Vestland, Viedma, Rio deJaneiro, um the Russian
Federation.
There's nobody in Russialistening to us.
(07:49):
Well, they he did for a minuteand they got him.
They got him.
SPEAKER_00 (07:52):
I have a few Instagram followers from Russia.
SPEAKER_05 (07:55):
Vilnius of the Vilnius City municipality, um,
some very creative VPNs.
SPEAKER_02 (08:01):
I think Vilnius is Latvia.
Or is that Lithuania?
Uh someone's gonna be veryupset.
It is Lithuania.
Cheers.
Cheers.
Sorry, Lithuania, you're notLatvia.
Yeah, fuck the Latvians.
SPEAKER_01 (08:19):
The Latvians.
Jesus.
Oh shit.
That was a Ritzke.
SPEAKER_05 (08:27):
Finally, this final toast, final shot, final hit.
This one goes out to our moviethis week.
Here's to Wicked 2.
The Wicked.
SPEAKER_01 (08:39):
I guess.
Judgment Day.
SPEAKER_02 (08:42):
Fuck.
It was certainly a movie.
SPEAKER_05 (08:48):
It was indeed that.
Ooh.
In the background, I'll be uhand Luke, you don't have to hide
your coughs, man.
Let 'em rip, dude.
SPEAKER_02 (08:58):
When it's too much, I get embarrassed.
SPEAKER_05 (09:02):
It it provides a sense of realism to the show.
SPEAKER_02 (09:05):
I can't let the people know I'm a big fat pus
though.
SPEAKER_05 (09:09):
Uh it's not about you know how big a hit you can
take.
It's about that you keep comingback.
SPEAKER_00 (09:15):
That's true, and take more hits.
I get that, I agree.
That's right.
SPEAKER_05 (09:18):
Yeah.
It's not how many times you getknocked out, it's how many times
you get back up.
So alright.
So it's time for part one ofthis thing.
It's time to rate this film.
Um, so wicked.
SPEAKER_02 (09:33):
You start off, Rye.
I want you just because the willthe liquor hits you later later
in this first section.
So you you gotta rip them.
Yep.
SPEAKER_05 (09:42):
Um, and well, my tolerance is becoming troubling.
But um until then, here we go.
So uh so wicked too.
Acting, I don't know.
I don't know.
SPEAKER_02 (09:55):
Um so so it's just that the drinking is an excuse.
SPEAKER_05 (10:05):
I don't know, man.
Uh they they certainly had linesand they read them when they
weren't singing.
They said things, they saidthings, they sang things, uh
Bloom was there.
He did, he was there.
He did a little dance.
He did a little dance.
Um but uh I I don't know.
(10:28):
Um, I I don't know.
I I feel that uh Cynthia did adid a good job.
Um as far as the acting went.
Um to me it was a little hammy,but you know, it's a musical.
Um a big problem with me andmusicals is that my brain is
wired to see over expression aseither corny or you're trying to
(10:55):
play me.
Um and so I always kind of comeinto these things with a big
sense of um uncomfortableness.
Uh the way these charactersbehave, the way they act, it
rubs me the wrong way.
Um so uh just I guess as adisclaimer, I'm not a musical
fan.
I like comedy musicals umbecause the songs are more of a
(11:19):
punchline.
But in this, to me, the musicwas just like slamming the
brakes every time the story wasgaining a little bit of fucking
steam.
Um and I gotta hear a song, andI hate fucking key changes.
And just so the songs are justreiterating what was just being
discussed.
Like you just said that to me.
(11:39):
You don't need to sing about it.
You you already covered that.
Thank you very much, Cynthia.
Um, and uh so I I was verytroubled by it all.
I I did not think um ArianaGrande's acting was really
anything to write home about.
Um Jeff Goldblum was justhimself.
(12:00):
I truly believe that that's JeffGoldblum in his kitchen.
SPEAKER_02 (12:05):
Yeah, yeah.
They didn't he didn't have ascript.
SPEAKER_05 (12:08):
They just played he was being filmed.
These two women walked into hishouse.
SPEAKER_02 (12:13):
Yeah, he got his invite to the red carpet, and he
was like, What the fuck?
I was in I was in a movie.
SPEAKER_05 (12:20):
Um, yeah, so I believe that was just him in his
house um filmed on site, youknow.
Um, so yeah, the acting on thisone, uh I'm gonna have to give a
2.5.
Um yeah, there that sounds fair.
There's just there was nothinghere that um moved me in any
(12:43):
sort of way.
And yeah, uh cinematography, Ithought was fantastic.
Um there were uh especially whenthey uh I loved the way that uh
the wicked witch traveled.
I I loved that.
Uh I loved uh shots with her andthe monkeys, and um, I thought
that was really well done.
None of the special effectsreally pulled me out of it.
(13:05):
Um even I thought the uh theanimal CGI was fantastic.
Um but like that's also Disney'sfucking wheelhouse.
If they fuck that up, then whynot?
It's universal.
Yeah.
Oh, is it Universal?
SPEAKER_02 (13:17):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_05 (13:18):
Oh.
I don't know who owns anyoneanymore.
Um that's true.
SPEAKER_02 (13:23):
I go to Universal Studios all the time, so and
then you got a wicked store.
SPEAKER_05 (13:28):
Really?
Yeah.
Oh.
Well, especially now that justNetflix just bought fucking uh
Warner Brothers, and it's it'sjust so HBO's gone.
But um anyway, uh score.
Um I saw the first Wicked.
Uh I wouldn't care for either.
Oh, oh, yeah, with thecinematography.
(13:48):
I'm gonna give it a four.
unknown (13:51):
Cool.
SPEAKER_05 (13:51):
Okay.
Yeah, I'm gonna give that afour.
Um the score and soundtrack, uh,it's not for me.
I hate key changes.
I there and outside of thesesongs that were just fucking
stabbing my ears, uh there wasnothing there was nothing good.
Um, it was just enough to keepeverything going.
(14:11):
It wasn't as bad as the latestJurassic World outing.
SPEAKER_02 (14:15):
Um very little good views as just just soul crushing
of a movie experience as thatlatest Jurassic World.
unknown (14:27):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (14:28):
That was rough.
SPEAKER_05 (14:28):
That was really rough.
Yeah, it it it did enough to getto the next song, which I would
inevitably like the firstwicked, the songs didn't bother
me as much.
In this one, they were placed sopoorly, and it was just every
time that we were getting intothe story, and there was
actually about to be some formof you know momentum, it was
(14:52):
shot dead by a song that, in myhonest opinion, wasn't that
good.
SPEAKER_02 (14:58):
I was so my partner came, she told me that the
second act, which would be thismovie, is known to be weaker on
Broadway as well.
Well, um, this is change withmusic.
So that's like a big yeah, likeI I agree with that.
SPEAKER_05 (15:15):
Well, I got in the car with uh with my partner
Cali, and um she had to playversions of the song from the
Broadway, which she felt weremuch stronger on the stage, and
she also felt the same, but thisone was not as strong as the
first one.
Um so I I don't feel I'm beingunfair.
Like I I you know, I I didn'tlike it.
(15:38):
Um and I'm yeah, I'm gonna giveit a 2.5.
SPEAKER_02 (15:43):
I think something else to do with that pacing, and
you were talking about how itkind of like essentially
frustrated the story um and thepacing.
That's kind of like what thesongs were about.
Was in the first one, they werekind of getting built up, like
it was like forward momentum.
But in this one, everythingeverything that they were
singing about were frustrationsthey were facing that were
(16:03):
killing the forward momentum,yes.
Um which is it may be it may bethematic, but it's also not
enjoyable.
SPEAKER_05 (16:12):
No, no, it was like, yeah, just constantly getting
fucking story blue balls.
Oh yeah, yeah.
Uh like I'm just I'm just tryingto bust my nut here, and then
Ariana's got some shit to say.
Um and sing, sorry.
And I'm like, fuck.
Um the uh I actually used a fewof the songs on twice.
(16:36):
I used like, oh, they're aboutto sing.
I would go to the bathroom.
Um, I would order concessions.
I like they're gonna be at thatfor a while.
Um, I could come back.
So yeah.
So yeah, it wasn't as bad as thelatest Jurassic World, but it
wasn't much better either.
Um, story and plot, I felt itwas very rushed.
(17:01):
Um, like the first one, theythey spent so long just bringing
us into the wicked witch'sexperience and how she feels so
different and building thisfriendship with Ariana.
Uh and like there was so muchtime spent on it.
SPEAKER_02 (17:20):
The world building was astronomically better.
Because even like at one momentI wrote I I said to myself with
the the castle that they wentshe went to to hide with the
monkeys, that like upside downcastle thing.
Where the fuck was that?
Like, I don't understand inrelevance to anything.
SPEAKER_05 (17:35):
Like I like her new boyfriend just had a summer
castle.
SPEAKER_02 (17:39):
Oh, yeah, yeah, like he did mention it.
I forget that that one point.
He's like, Yeah, there was aline.
There's a line.
But like it just the worldbuilding just was not, I agree,
rushed at times.
It's like it's like anintroductory portion of a video
game where it like walks youthrough everything and you're
taking steps and physicallymoving from one location to the
next, and then you reach theouter world, and it's just like
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fast travel.
There's like no, there's nooverland map, it's just here we
are, here we are, here we are,do this, here we are, do this.
And it's all it felt disjointed.
Yeah, yeah.
I agree.
SPEAKER_05 (18:11):
And and honestly, in my opinion, this was the worst
resistance movement I have everseen.
Um she kicks a couple builders.
SPEAKER_02 (18:22):
Um they're just working, man.
Like they they have they knowthey're not making decisions.
SPEAKER_05 (18:28):
She kicks a couple builders, um, gets frustrated,
and then I will never be goodagain.
I want to go off with my newboyfriend.
And so I'm like, okay, whatever.
Um, oh, but you're gonna singabout it.
Cool.
Um, so yeah, uh, for that story,um you can't say it was that bad
of a rebellion because itweren't technically successful.
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I mean, maybe we don't we don'tknow.
But it didn't make sense that itdid.
Like Ariana gets up on stage andit's just like racism is over
now, animals come out.
SPEAKER_02 (19:00):
Do we actually trust Ariana Grande to keep that up?
She was pretty easilymanipulated before.
Extremely I don't disagree.
Then she was easily manipulatedagain by the trick of pretending
to die.
I mean, so I don't know.
SPEAKER_05 (19:15):
I was confused, like Cynthia, why are you falling for
this?
Ariana is the most two-facedperson in this world.
At least when you're talking toum uh your old headmaster, you
know where she fucking stands.
Yeah, she's you know, she knowslike and but then but then even
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Cynthia was ready to like,alright, fuck it.
And it wasn't until she wouldlike she knew that they were
keeping animals, she knew that,but she had to come face to face
with it before she made themoral choice.
Yeah, and it's like, how goodare you people?
Come on now.
Um uh and but yes, the story Igive it a two.
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Um rewatchability.
I will never watch this again,um unless I am found and gagged.
Um like I I I will never watchthis again.
SPEAKER_02 (20:10):
Smash my own head on the floor until I was
unconscious to avoid watchingit.
SPEAKER_05 (20:16):
Yeah.
Um, like if Callie wants towatch it again, cool, I'll sit
there, but I will be sointoxicated and wasted on
sleeping pills that I will notactually be watching it.
So um For that, I giveRewatchability a one.
SPEAKER_04 (20:33):
Tough crowd.
SPEAKER_02 (20:37):
Well next.
No, no, no.
I want to if I want to wrap thisbad boy up based on based on
opinion so far.
So I like musicals.
I've seen quite a few musicalsthat I really like.
Yeah, I know you.
Yeah, I've heard.
I I I also watch like musicaltelevision shows.
Like I I'll I'll go out of myway to watch obscure musical
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television like Schmigadoon onApple TV or Gallivant, which was
a show that came out in like 20the 2010s on ABC.
Like I like musicals, I reallyenjoy them.
I think when they're good,they're good.
And this one I did not think wasvery good for several reasons.
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I thought the acting was uh wasserviceable in a lot of times,
but yeah, I felt like theydidn't, you know, the over, you
know, when musicals overselltheir acting, it's usually with
a wink and you know a nudge.
And this one didn't have enoughwinking and nudging.
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It it took its it was likepretty self-serious.
Um it was up its own ass.
And I didn't I didn't like that.
Uh I mean that didn't do it forme, especially because the
audience was like all children.
I don't know what your theaterswere like, but my theaters were
like my theater wasn't evenfully packed.
It was like the biggest, it wasthe biggest theater they had,
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and we were like, okay, we'regonna go sit in a in a theater
full of people to get reactions,and it was like not even nearly
full.
It was the right day after itcame out.
Yeah, we I watched it in IMAX.
Oh, really?
Yeah, biggest possible uhtheater they had for the IMAX
showing, and it was only likemaybe half full.
And uh and nobody was even thatinterested.
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It's hard to uh, you know, I Idon't know what your guys'
theory was like, but that was myexperience, and it definitely it
definitely fit with my ownperceptions of the movie.
Um yeah, the acting wasn't verytouching for me.
I give it like a three, I give athree.
Uh the cinematography, you know,like you said, the CGI for like
the animals was really good, andI enjoyed the CGI overlay for
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the sets.
I thought the sets were werenice.
My big problem with this onespecifically is with their
lighting techniques.
I don't know how you guys feltabout the lighting, but the it
was the lighting was so flatacross the entire movie.
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And the reason it's like that isbecause so they made a bunch of
like real sets for like themunchkin land and shit.
It was all outdoors, and whatthey did was they took this
giant fucking tarp, like thisgiant white tarp, and put it
across over the entire set andthen shined light down on the
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tarp so that there's no onepoint of light coming into the
frame.
It's just this blanket of lightthat's all the same across the
entire thing.
That's why every that's whythey'd switch cameras from one
person to the other, and italways looked like light was
coming toward their face nomatter where it was.
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And it everything, it made justeverything feel so fucking flat.
There was no dynamism to theirmovements or or their cut the
colors, because there was noshadows, like it was uh it it
just it just felt it felt almostAI generated because it was just
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so there there was there was thethings that make vision real
were gone, you know?
It was it was a totallyartificial thing, light, light
they created.
Um and then and then they likewent on and they filmed all of
it that way, even the darkscenes, they'd go in and dim,
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dim everything in post.
SPEAKER_05 (24:37):
Well, I felt that was the case when they were
doing when the animals weregoing underneath the yellow
brick road.
Like it felt that felt bizarre.
Like everything was dark, butnot, and there were there was no
shadow.
SPEAKER_02 (24:48):
Everything in the tower, too.
Everything and like every all ofthat was filmed the same way
with this flat light across thewhole thing, and and and then
they darken it in post.
And it's just it's it's fuckingawful.
It's a it's a thing that I hatein movies.
Uh for for for a for adifference, if you want to see
where where cinematography andshadows are like really
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apparent, good boy that wereviewed earlier this year, that
had amazing directional lightingthat made the scenes good and
like and made them visuallyappealing.
Agreed.
Um, yeah, so so I'm gonna takethis down.
I'm gonna say this is it's onlya three first the it was a huge
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problem throughout the wholemovie.
It took me out of it the wholetime.
Score and soundtrack, like Isaid, I like musicals.
I couldn't tell you a singlesong from this one.
I personally, I I guess the songI liked the most was the Tin Man
song.
I enjoyed that.
I enjoyed the scenes that wentalong with it.
Um, I just didn't like the songsof this one.
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I did like the songs in thefirst one.
Um so score soundtrack, I'mgonna give a three.
Story plot really predictable,serviceable though.
I mean I from a mile away, Icould tell you that the two guys
in the movie were going tobecome the scarecrow and the tin
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man, because we we already sawwe already met the cowardly
lion.
I was like, oh well, you know,those two guys.
Yeah, it was incredibly adorablefor sure.
SPEAKER_05 (26:23):
I I loved him.
He was kill myself or others forthat lion.
SPEAKER_02 (26:31):
He was like uh he was a cowardly sympathizer,
though.
SPEAKER_05 (26:36):
That's true.
But uh, I mean that's uh youknow, pretty bias.
SPEAKER_02 (26:40):
Yeah, true.
unknown (26:42):
True.
SPEAKER_02 (26:43):
I've been dealing with him my whole life.
Um story plot give it a three.
Um rewatchability.
What'd you give for the score?
I missed it, I'm sorry.
Three.
Okay.
It's not the worst I've everheard, but man, I've I left that
movie going like uh what what amI do what are we doing?
(27:06):
You know, um and then story plotthree, just because like I said,
serviceable.
But rewatchability, I'm notgonna watch this again.
SPEAKER_01 (27:17):
One I'm not gonna watch this again.
No, I'm gonna I don't want towatch it.
Please can we please findsomething else?
SPEAKER_05 (27:27):
For the love of God.
I hear Beavis and Butthead doAmerica's on the other channel.
SPEAKER_02 (27:33):
Yeah, I'll watch, I'll watch.
You know, I won't watch JurassicWorld.
I'd watch this over JurassicWorld.
I would tell you, yeah.
SPEAKER_05 (27:41):
Yeah, yeah.
But it's agreed.
But I'm pretty sure I gaveJurassic World a zero.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (27:47):
First ever allowed zero, the only one.
SPEAKER_01 (27:50):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (27:51):
But it deserved.
Yeah, deserved.
SPEAKER_01 (27:54):
Damn, that move is bad.
SPEAKER_02 (27:56):
We we we watched this movie, and then afterward,
we were literally like, at leastit wasn't as bad as Jurassic
World.
Scarlett, like with ScarlettJohansson not acting at all,
like not having any kind ofcharacter.
SPEAKER_05 (28:11):
Jurassic World is so bad that we subconsciously let
Rebel Moon off the hook.
SPEAKER_02 (28:18):
Yeah, yeah, it's true.
Agreed.
Awful.
All right, let me get justawful.
Yeah, yeah, Luke.
Let us know what you think.
Okay, so I kind of disagree withyou guys on acting.
I I feel like the acting wascompetent on most levels.
Yo, I do.
I think everybody was.
I said it was competent.
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I said it was competent free.
So you guys did not like ArianaGrande, but that is how Glinda
is as a character.
Um, and even in Broadway, she isvery like get Kristen Shenwith
in here, de-age her.
I'm just saying, so I I I feellike the acting was just like
just that one step above.
I don't think it wasrevolutionary.
(29:00):
I don't think like this to befair, I feel like story and plot
a lot of times can affect actingjust because of what can be
provided to a story throughthrough the acting, if that
makes sense.
Like, you know, if if the storyisn't dynamic enough, then like
how dynamic can the actingreally be?
But I gave the acting a four.
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Um cinematography CGI.
So I a hundred percent agreewith the lighting.
I actually like by the fifthscene, I was like, what the fuck
is going on?
I said, like, I was like, why iseverything and I didn't really
even click it with the lighting,but you you saying it has made
me re think maybe I was just sofucking checked out that I
(29:43):
overrated myself.
And I just actually went back toand looked at photos.
It's it's true, and I even seethe fact that it's like like
every so there's a scene, uh,the end scene where she, you
know, the sun's behind them, andit should be really glowing and
like almost orange, and like youknow, it's like sunset, and it
but it's not, it's just afucking yellow, and their faces
are somehow bright as well atthat moment.
(30:03):
But there should be like ashadow around their face on some
level if the sunlight was comingfrom behind them, and that's I'm
looking at that picture rightnow.
Holy shit, it should be an easything to do, and you're right,
it uh it takes you out of it.
Um, but I do think like the CGIon like those monkeys, I think
were sick.
Like I fuck, I was like, theywere cool.
I was like, Whoa, those lookfucking cool.
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And I so it kind of brought mein.
I gave it a 3.5.
Um Universal also does Planet ofthe Apes, right?
So it's the same, yeah.
It was like the same ape.
Like his look blue Caesar likefucking Caesar.
Blue blue Caesar with wings, I'min.
Yeah, all right.
I fucking love so yeah, I gaveit a 3.5.
Uh you know, I thought it was itwas good, but again, there
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wasn't the the uh those theflatness is I I agree with what
exactly with that that's a greatword for it.
Just like, what the fuck?
Uh what the fuck's going on?
Why?
What is happening?
It took all the depth out ofevery and you even see like in
Unreal.
I again looked back at photos.
There's another shot where likethere's light on their faces,
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and then it's the same exactlight.
I see what you're saying, all onthe background, everything in
the background, no shadows inthe fucking background.
Like, why yeah, there should beand like shadowing and stuff is
what gives frames depth, andit's what gives you know those
that that uh you knowperspective.
So, yeah.
Anyways, the score soundtrack, Iagree.
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It was like I came out, and Ithe first thing I said to
Cameron, I was like, I don'tlike that one as much.
I don't it because so the songsfor me, like I love musicals,
and I just got into them morerecently, but I liked even like
I didn't even realize like highschool musical is a musical, and
I loved those movies likegrowing up, and like so I feel
like I do enjoy that, and Ithink the songs are big pieces
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of the story, and like this oneI agree, it kind of sets up and
then just says the same thingover.
I don't mind that sometimes, butthis one I don't the songs
weren't that memorable or likegood.
I remember like oh every kid outof the theater when I was
leaving the first one wassinging the songs, like that
fucking no, every kid, like it'siconic.
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It was really, really good.
Um, and this one left me justlike wanting more.
And I feel like, you know, as amusical, the soundtrack should
be standout.
Like if you're not, you know, ifyour soundtrack isn't high, what
like that should be yourbiggest, biggest seller.
So I actually give it a 2.5.
Um the story plot was definitelythe weakest point of it.
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It was kind of thrown forward.
I feel like what happened withthis story is the first act.
So the first act I feel like islike set up and it's like really
well thought out and built theworld out.
And then the second act is likethis like bow on it with just
trying to kind of piece togetherhow it connects to Wizard of Oz.
Um, and that's how it feels tome.
It feels like it's just like, ohand then and then the line was
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here in the scarecrow, andthat's how he came, and then the
10 minute, and then like here'sDorothy, and that then the one
that's how her legs were underit, it's her sister, and like it
just like it all felt verythrown forward in that way.
Um, and I wasn't a fan, so um, Idid come out of the theater
again, like just being like,huh, wow, I I really liked the
first one.
I remember coming out of thefirst one at least, and this is
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an old memory, but I rememberliking it quite a bit, like I
enjoyed the movie.
Um, but I gave the story plot a2.5.
You know, um, it it's it wasinteresting you said that about
it just you know, being just atie-in.
Um, and it it's like asubversion, it's like the
classic um, you know, it was sothe book the novel was written
(33:36):
in the 90s, and in the 90s, thatwas a really big time for like
story and fairy tale and childstory subversions, or you take
it and turn it on its head, andnow it feels really like trite
to us or quaint.
Yeah, or it's like it's like,oh, you took a fairy tale and
turned it on its head, greatfucking job.
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You know, like everybody'sthought of that, like uh and
maybe the stage play it it comesthrough better.
Like maybe that second, it'sbecause Cam like speaks very
highly of this one.
She's seen it on Broadway, she'sseen it off Broadway.
Like, she really loves the storyof Wicked.
She was also a child when itcame out.
Yes, but she's seen it since asan adult.
(34:19):
But nostalgia's nostalgia's ason of a bitch, yeah.
SPEAKER_05 (34:23):
Yeah, from what I understand, the book um delves
much better into the themes thatit was trying to hit on than
this movie or even the Broadwayplay were ever capable of.
Sure.
You know, where they they kindof like eh, human rights aren't
as important as nailing thisnext shitty music number.
SPEAKER_02 (34:46):
Yeah, I I agree.
God, I want to go watch Chicagonow.
Um that's what I'm gonna do.
Let's go watch Chicago.
SPEAKER_05 (34:52):
I'm gonna watch Chicago.
Alright, everybody, take iteasy.
SPEAKER_02 (34:54):
We're gonna go uh and then last but not least,
rewatchability.
I I can't say that it's like gunto my head.
Like, I mean, I probably like Icould see Mia Cam wanting to
finish the story of Wicked.
She likes it enough, and I don'thate it enough that I I'm not
like opposed.
SPEAKER_05 (35:13):
Um I definitely sound like a wicked sympathizer.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (35:18):
We need to put you the cowardly lion.
I just yeah, I didn't I didn'thate it that that much to the
point where I'd be like, I'llnever ever watch it again.
I could I could see I coulddefinitely see me and Cam on a
fucking but it's definitely notwhen I'm adding to a yearly
list.
Like I like I'm definitelygiving pushback, and then
there's gonna be that one timeshe asked, I'll be like, Yeah,
fine, let's put it on.
(35:39):
Like, sounds good.
Um but I do, you know, fourtimes before that I'll be like,
I ain't watching Wicked thisweek, or maybe we're we're we're
not doing that.
There's a new jujutsu Kaisenmovie, and that's what we're
going to see.
Um we'll see that three times inthe runtime of Wicked.
So uh yeah, I gave it a two.
SPEAKER_05 (35:59):
So long.
Oh my god, it was so long.
But sorry, continue.
SPEAKER_00 (36:03):
Oh no.
I just deleted it.
SPEAKER_02 (36:07):
Uh so yeah, and I gave that a two, um, which gives
us a grand total of a 2.5 out offive for the movie of Wicked.
That's fair.
Yeah.
Um I agree, I I feel like that'spretty fair, especially
considering I feel I think likethe hype, but I feel like the
first story carries the this manthis story quite a bit.
(36:28):
Like if you think of it as likea grand story that's being told,
you're like, okay, it's likekind of a like tied up bow, but
it's still not great.
But like it's it would kind oflike bring that one down a
little bit, but uh you know,this one was definitely low.
I'd probably I'd probably putthe other one at like 3.5 or 4.
If I had I'd put like 3.5.
Yeah, but which Googaloo is justworse.
(36:52):
It's just worse.
SPEAKER_05 (36:54):
All right, well, there you have it, folks.
So uh Wicked 2 uh judgment daygets a 2.5 out of five.
SPEAKER_02 (37:05):
Linda Hamilton could have lifted this.
SPEAKER_05 (37:08):
Oh, yeah, without a doubt.
With uh we she has a proventrack record of taking back
shots, and that would have beenum that would have been
something.
So um, congratulations, wickedto uh 2.5.
Yeah, I guess that yeah, thatcosts me a lot of money to see
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in today's fucking economy.
The 2.5 pisses me off.
So um well, it's time now to hoponto the golden path, which
means it's time for one moreshot, one more hit.
This one wicked two.
Cheers.
SPEAKER_02 (37:48):
Twice to wicked is why uh I would like this one to
go out to musicals and yeah,yes, appreciate it.
SPEAKER_05 (37:58):
All right, to the pirates of pizzans, cheers,
cheers.
SPEAKER_00 (38:10):
I'm just thinking about me and this film.
SPEAKER_05 (38:16):
We'll get there so we'll get there soon enough, all
right?
We we can't blow our loads yet.
We can't disappoint this crap.
SPEAKER_00 (38:23):
I bet Jake, I'm sorry.
SPEAKER_05 (38:25):
All right, so it's time for part two.
It's time to jump onto thegolden path.
So, what are some the the deepermeanings of this one were
fucking slammed into us facefirst with a ballpoint hammer.
Listen, um racism bad.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (38:40):
Racism bad.
True.
Racism bad.
Yeah, true.
True, no doubt.
No doubt.
A deeper just like thought ormore like concept, which I do
enjoy that this the story ofwicked in general kind of set
tells, is the differentperspectives, like tale.
Um, because obviously, like theWizard of Oz being the known
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story, Dorothy, the wicked, youknow, witch of the East is
killed.
Yay, now we need to kill theit's very like clear that the
propaganda being fed to thesepeople is effective and able to
portray a completely differentstory from what's really
happening on the back end, whichis what Wicked is telling us is
that the wicked witch of theWest is not wicked.
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She is technically like a goodwitch, and there's a government,
a tyranny, tyrannical,tyrannical, tyrannical, whatever
tyrannical, you got it.
Yeah, type of government that isum basically telling whatever
story and kind of just fakingthis magic that doesn't actually
exist, or what the wicked witchof the west has and does and
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wants to use for good.
She's a true good soul.
So I think, like, in general,that is a cool concept to do,
and that's what kind of broughtme into the first film, I think,
even more, was I was like, oh,like this is fucking sick.
Like, I love this conceptbecause I think it's really cool
when any story does that.
Like, I'm like, oh, I love thetwo cut.
I love when you cut like think acharacter is good and you get
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later in a story, and it's like,no, like that's yeah, they're
not good.
You were just like being kind ofshown it from a perspective that
made them see in that light.
So and I think like it does thiswell, which is you know, it's
kind of an obvious theme, andyou know, it's it's done over
time in other movies and showsand what have you, but it's
still pretty cool.
(40:28):
I think it's it it it is areally I think the story of
Wicked and what what it doesthat that is sick.
SPEAKER_05 (40:34):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (40:34):
No, like Jason Bourne.
SPEAKER_05 (40:37):
Exactly.
I was watching it thinking, holyshit, this is Jason Bourne.
SPEAKER_04 (40:44):
Holy shit, it's alpha.
SPEAKER_05 (40:49):
He's got a sniper rifle on his fucking head.
That's how you lead aresistance.
SPEAKER_02 (40:58):
It's fucking, it's literally just Jeff Goldblum
dancing around, just headshotfucking through the radical
government done.
SPEAKER_00 (41:06):
Yo, let's get out of here.
SPEAKER_05 (41:07):
Yeah, that's that's a rat.
That was another thing.
Like, how many times did thisfucking domestic terrorist be
invited into the same room asher problem?
A bunch of times.
A bunch of fucking times.
And each time she was um sort ofpersuaded to start drifting
towards that side.
And um maybe it's easy.
(41:29):
Honestly, like, yeah, thesethings were uh okay.
So one thing I will say likewe're we're very quick to say
racism bad, like no fuckingshit.
Yeah, that's true.
Well, we live in a goddamn worldwhere you say something racist
now and get cancelled for it orwhatever it is, and you have
half of America sending youdonations to keep doing you.
(41:53):
Um so that's true.
SPEAKER_02 (41:54):
I mean, maybe some people do need to hear racism
bad.
SPEAKER_05 (41:58):
But those people aren't gonna be watching Wicked
2, I tell you that much.
Uh right.
SPEAKER_02 (42:02):
And they're not going to pick up on the themes
that, you know, uh authorityfigures will use misinformation
to paint actual goodness asevil.
SPEAKER_05 (42:16):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (42:17):
They're not gonna pick up on that.
SPEAKER_05 (42:19):
Well, I would say the only thing that this movie
did well was portraying that aperson with a disability is also
capable of being a massive pieceof shit.
SPEAKER_02 (42:28):
Yeah, they want you to know that.
They want you to know thatessentially everyone with a
disability is a threat and youshould treat them that way.
Immediately when they come inyour vicinity, you know, clock
them as a threat, knock them outof the wheelchair.
SPEAKER_05 (42:45):
Clock them neutralized.
Neutralize the threat, move on.
Always to the left, left, left,left.
SPEAKER_02 (42:54):
That's what they were going for.
Exactly.
Obviously.
That's what they'll get from it.
Now, I'm not saying that's whatthe movie was going for, but a
certain person's gonna watchthis and be like, you're right.
Sable people are fucking awful.
They'll cast, they'll do,they'll they're they're
self-centered, they're theydon't give a shit about you,
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they use their disability totrap you.
Some people are some people aregonna pick up that's what
they're gonna get from.
SPEAKER_05 (43:22):
Well, I mean, luckily, those people also
weren't watching it.
So I I saw this film um in uhthe heart of Missouri, and the
theater was empty.
And and that's because the onlypeople in this town who wanted
to watch it at seven o'clock atnight uh were busy.
Uh they they had a lot of tradwife shit to do.
Um, they're not gonna be able tosee Wicked until you know their
(43:46):
man is at work or out gambling,um, and they catch it really,
really fast on a VPN, like mostof our listeners.
So um my theater was fuckingempty.
Uh I mine is almost full.
SPEAKER_01 (44:04):
Really?
Really?
Yeah.
And floors.
Yeah.
Oh shit.
Huh.
Hell yeah, brother.
You guys I live in Orlando.
Oh, yeah.
Well, that makes sense.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (44:17):
Yeah.
Tourist town.
SPEAKER_05 (44:19):
Like, well, wasn't it uh was it a governor you guys
just no, it was a mayor ofsomewhere that you guys just
voted for that was fucking outof left field.
Ha.
SPEAKER_00 (44:31):
Don't know.
SPEAKER_05 (44:33):
Can't keep up on all of them.
Nope.
But uh yeah, um, yeah, but I I Ithink that the the the deeper
meaning here is that uh therewas no deeper meaning.
It's shit that we should allknow, but we live in a society
where not everyone fucking hascaught up with that.
SPEAKER_02 (44:48):
Um and also starve yourself until you're a skeleton
if you're a woman.
SPEAKER_05 (44:54):
Holy shit.
SPEAKER_02 (44:56):
Like there were some.
SPEAKER_05 (45:04):
Yeah.
Um it it it just in terms oflike Ariana, I'm concerned.
SPEAKER_02 (45:09):
She didn't look that way in the first one, and
neither did uh Cynthia.
And in this one, it's very clearthat a bunch of people were
like, you should take Ozempic orsomething, and like they they
lost all of their subcutaneousfat, and they look like fucking
skeletons, and it's terrifying.
SPEAKER_05 (45:31):
Was that they went back to the first scene we saw
in Wicked One.
Ariana looked fantastic, youknow.
She she is she's a she's askinnier figure, that and which
is great.
Um but um in this one, she wentbeyond that, and what was what I
felt was kind of weird was thatthe studio put those two
(45:52):
stickers on her clavicles thatweren't there in the first one.
SPEAKER_02 (45:58):
It was to hide how deep the recess was because she
was starved.
SPEAKER_05 (46:05):
So uh, but and what's funny, so I I think that
this might be like one of thegolden path portions of it.
I saw someone today um making acomment on how terrible um men
are when they method act, whichuh Jared Leto has shown us that
yes, they fucking are.
SPEAKER_02 (46:24):
Um I think I think I don't think it comes down to
gender.
I think just sometimes they'regood and bad actors.
And also not for nothing.
Like with method acting, ifyou're like being a character
that's shitty, like you're gonnalike they're treating people
like shit around like set andstuff.
Yeah, like being that.
SPEAKER_05 (46:42):
Well, and here I'm like, well, like just what the
fuck was this?
And like I went into this and Ilike I was force-fed these
goddamn interviews um that uhCynthia and Ariana were on, and
just how fucking creepy theywere.
Um and I walked into this moviealready on a bad footing just
(47:08):
because of how uncomfortablethese two women made me go, me,
the white male.
SPEAKER_02 (47:14):
It was like a meme around the internet about that.
Like the people were saying,like, why are why are all the
interviews weird?
Why are they like, what is goingon with this cast?
Like, like it was like Do weneed an investigation?
Yeah, there was like there was aguy who had a premiere like ran
out and like grabbed ArianaGrande, and that's where I saw
like them offset, and like theylooked like fucking ghouls.
(47:37):
They like the you could see liketheir their bones in their arms
in their upper in their upperand lower arms, and I was like,
oh, what the fuck?
What's going on?
Like, I was afraid he he brokeher just by hugging her or
whatever.
Yeah, and um which he shouldn'thave done.
SPEAKER_05 (47:53):
He should not have done her.
SPEAKER_02 (47:54):
She shouldn't have done, and I was worried not just
for her safety when it comes toher bodily autonomy, but her
physically physical safety,because I can't imagine that
their bodies could withstand anykind of physical force.
Yeah, yeah.
It's really wild.
SPEAKER_05 (48:11):
Like just discussing from this this this place where
I realize that we are threewhite men.
I get that.
Um, and I'm trying to be as youknow respectful in that regard
as I can.
SPEAKER_02 (48:23):
It's not about beauty, you know, it's not about
beauty.
We're not criticizing theirbeauty or anything.
It's like very concerning thatthey have no muscle or fat on
their body that humans need.
SPEAKER_05 (48:37):
But like I and just like the way they were behaving,
like I felt very I wasuncomfortable.
I was uncomfortable by thiswhole thing.
I maybe not I can't necessarilyput it on any one thing, like
like everything about it, thebehaviors, the way the actors
were talking, like I was off putby this film before I walked
(48:57):
into it.
Um and had I have walked into afive out of five film, that's
one thing where I'm like, okay,you guys like dislike you guys
did something here.
SPEAKER_02 (49:06):
Uh like Christian Bale in The Machinist, where he
was like skin and bones, butthat was part of the movie.
Like, I people were c rightlyconcerned about him.
Which they should have been.
Yeah, like he he probablyshouldn't have done all that.
No, he should not have but alsothere was a point in the movie.
SPEAKER_05 (49:24):
Yeah, it was freaky.
It was freaky.
Um, and it's well, it's like thesame, but like Jared Leto has no
excuse.
Um, he needs to go away, to behonest with you.
But um, but like Heath Ledgerlike losing his fucking mind for
Joker, um, all those sorts ofthings.
Like, a lot of it's like, guys,at the same time, I can't argue
with Heath Ledger's results.
(49:46):
Um, and he will probably walkedinto that knowing that he was
about to be torn apart by uhsuch a sick fan base when it
comes to those things.
I remember when he did that andeveryone was like, he's not Jack
Nicholson, fuck him, fuck him.
Um, but then all of a sudden nowhe's like one of the he's
revered.
Um just not just not as much asJared Leto.
(50:11):
No, no, obviously not.
And I don't think anyone can beas revered as Jared Leto,
especially there's a wholegeneration that's like Jared
Leto is my joker.
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (50:22):
That's that's not true.
No, it is.
I swear.
No, there's no one who saidthat.
There's there's no there isthere is a weird not just the
younger generation, it's alsothe very old generation that's
like actually Jared Leto is myjoker.
SPEAKER_05 (50:35):
This is what it was supposed to be.
When I was watching JackNicholson uh back in '89, um, I
wondered why he didn't have astomach tap.
Um I was very confused.
Um, but uh honestly becausethey're closeted at homosexuals
and they actually are in lovewith the Joker and they like the
stomach tap.
SPEAKER_02 (50:56):
Yeah.
No one says that though, you'rewrong.
I don't believe it as a target.
SPEAKER_05 (51:01):
There is a strange uh there is a strange Snyder
cult that's popped up andthey've just feed off of being
the odd people out.
You know, it's like ever thereis any sort of cultural thing,
um, whether it's, you know, yougot Snyder's cuts, you got um
fucking wicked, you got like TSwift, you know, like whatever
(51:24):
it is that you attach onto, youlabel yourself that, and then
you're willing to die on thisfucking hill for someone who
would not die on any hill foryou.
Um, and it turns into this justbizarre fucking like I don't
know.
Human beings just need to givethe planet back to the animals,
I think.
Um, I don't know.
(51:45):
Um we're we're just notresponsible enough for fucking
anything.
SPEAKER_02 (51:50):
Well, all I can tell you is that I would die for Mark
Paul Gossler and Saint VandaBell.
SPEAKER_05 (51:56):
Oh, you're in the Gossler cult.
All right.
I like that.
But like people definethemselves by this like
celebrity worship and culturehills, and I I think it's just
because we have no agency in ourown lives, and we have to find
these statements that we candefine ourselves with.
(52:17):
And when you take a step backand look at it, it's like you
need to just get fuckingprofessional help, is what you
need.
No heroes, no heroes, no gods,no masters, no heroes.
That's right.
Fucking hell.
Yeah, I think that's the deeperpoint of wicked too.
SPEAKER_04 (52:37):
No gods, no heroes, no masters.
SPEAKER_05 (52:43):
Oh, Jesus Christ.
Um, well, I I I'm good with it.
I'm good with it.
I think it's time to insertourselves into this shit, yeah?
Sure.
Let's do it.
So, part three, it's time toinsert ourselves, drugs or
alcohol, into Wicked Two, theWickening, Judgment Day.
Um, what happens?
Uh Luke, you had us start on thefirst one.
(53:05):
So, Luke, you start on this one.
What changes when you involveyourself in this?
SPEAKER_02 (53:10):
So I'd like to think that I would just have enlisted
into the military, like like Idid.
You'd be a monkey and military.
I don't break my feet though, soyeah.
No, no, no.
Yeah, no, I'm the person that'swith the team that's hunting the
wick witch.
Oh, okay.
Um, but I actually have no clue.
Obviously, like my perception ofthis is the witch is bad.
Um, and I'm literally just like,yeah, fuck the witch.
(53:32):
So I'm basically, you know, likethe people who unfortunately
were invading Afghanistan andIraq and they're just ignorance,
uh, just kicking indoors.
Or Poland.
Yeah, or Poland.
Any, I guess any any governmentthreat.
Uh so yeah, just kickingindoors, and I'm just trying to
find that witch.
Like, and that's that's probablymy whole role.
And at one point, they actuallyuh a musical breaks out and they
(53:57):
tell me do not sing, justfucking lip sing because I was
so bad.
Um, and they just so I'm in thebackground just lip singing just
a little bit off uh in in one ofthe scenes.
And you're like, wait a second,where the hell is my shadow?
What the fuck?
What is this land?
SPEAKER_05 (54:16):
Could you imagine how disorienting that would be?
SPEAKER_02 (54:18):
Yeah, it would be weird.
It'd be weird.
So yeah, that's how my uh Iwould I wouldn't change it all
that much, honestly.
The film would stay drasticallythe same.
Um except, you know, I wouldkind of be questioning, like, I
feel like we're just I feel likewe're just not looking in the
right place, guys.
Like like the guy like theprince is trying to like lure us
off, he's probably gonna take mein the back alley and shoot me
(54:38):
because he I'm I'm getting ontothe wicked witch.
I'm I'm actually hunting her,I'm finding her.
Um and uh and all the pieces arestarting to go together.
So that's that's you that's youdon't even have our we the
baddies moment.
All the way until your eventualdeath.
(55:00):
That's how I rented this oneout.
Propaganda gets you.
SPEAKER_00 (55:04):
It does, it does.
And in this world, I'm justsusceptible to it,
unfortunately.
And that's that's my wicked.
What about James?
SPEAKER_02 (55:13):
Very nice.
James?
Oh yeah, sure.
Uh so I would are are we takingthese movies as like uh one
piece, like the wicked thewicked uh series, like the two
movies, like I can be acharacter in both of them, or
sure.
SPEAKER_05 (55:30):
Or would I have to come in for just a second?
Be here for Wicked Judgment Day.
SPEAKER_02 (55:36):
Yeah, sure, sure.
Technically, I was I enlisted inthe first one.
I had already moved up in theranks and was a part of the
prince's team.
We saw him in the backgroundsigning a pay.
It could be the whole franchisewith land ice.
So you would see me in thebackground in the in the first
movie.
I would be uh I would be servinglunch.
(55:59):
I'd be in the school'scafeteria, the the the witch
school, and I would make sureall of these children get well
fed.
And I think that that would uhchange their demeanors a lot
because the starvation isn'teating their brains and making
them do incredibly stupid, crazyshit.
(56:23):
And uh so throughout the movie,you just see me like every time
I walk, like every time theystart saying something crazy, I
walk up, you know, like handthem a bowl of soup, and I'm
like, Yeah, go ahead, eat up, goahead, eat up, it's okay.
It's okay.
And then they start making gooddecisions, like, oh, I why don't
actually we just like you know,we can just talk out our
problems with the two of us,like Glenda and I can we can
talk about it and like sit downand come.
(56:43):
We don't have to like stay staya country apart and then only
meet up to sing at each othertwice.
You know, we can just we cantalk and uh and and they would
enjoy a nice matzo ball, and I'dgive them a little brisket, and
it would be great.
Uh the movie would totallychange.
Uh no one would be huntinganybody, or it would just be
(57:05):
like, oh, okay, yeah, we know wewe we're really good at
resolving problems now.
You know, you're my dad.
You know, you're my dad.
Oz wizard, you're my dad.
It's that easy.
SPEAKER_00 (57:17):
Easy peasy look at them and squeeze.
SPEAKER_02 (57:20):
Yeah, uh yeah, mine would and they'd fit and their
dresses would fit.
SPEAKER_05 (57:24):
Yes.
Yes.
Um, but uh like uh uh like I Idon't I don't I don't know what
to say from the Ariane.
SPEAKER_02 (57:35):
That's how you started section one as well.
That's exactly basically whatyou did in section two.
SPEAKER_05 (57:40):
Like Ariana looked fantastic.
Um and that was partly thelight.
That was partly the light.
SPEAKER_02 (57:49):
Like part of the lighting we talked about, it
made all those things disappear,all the like dents in her head
and stuff.
Do you remember from theinterviews?
Like she had all these likedivots in her head where her
skull was showing.
The light actually covers.
SPEAKER_05 (58:02):
I mean, when you have flat light and I can see
your rib cage from chest down.
That's bad.
But um, so for me, um, I wouldinsert myself, and I see that
this this green chick, which I'mstrangely attracted to, um, is
trying to run a rebellion.
(58:23):
And I see that everyone in thisworld is kind of a bitch.
Um, there it there would be ascene, so uh she'd be talking
about it.
You know what they need?
SPEAKER_02 (58:33):
Some penis.
SPEAKER_05 (58:36):
She'd be talking to Jeff Goldblum.
He needs to go.
Very obviously, he needs to go.
I would walk in and they're alltrying to cast spells that they
didn't seem to have full controlof.
And I would very slowly insert aknife into Jeff Goldblum's
forehead.
Um, I would let him drop to thefloor, and I'm like, Cynthia,
babe, uh, who do you need next?
(58:57):
And I would split the throat ofher old headmaster.
Um, I I would kill them all.
And I'm like, that's how you runa rebellion, babe.
Um, and uh we would have onespells.
And you guys are sitting herefucking around with magic that
doesn't seem to work.
It it makes clouds and things,that's cool, but it doesn't
(59:18):
change boots on the ground.
Um so I kill all the problems, Ihave sex with the wicked witch
of the west, and then becausepower corrupts absolutely, I
suck start a shotgun.
Um and uh that that's how themovie changes.
SPEAKER_00 (59:39):
James is the only one who survives in this film
after we join.
SPEAKER_02 (59:44):
Uh yeah, yeah.
I I uh, you know, I afterward Imake some musaka to try to calm
Alpha's spirits after her loverblew his brains out.
It's okay, darling.
Have your have some egg plan.
SPEAKER_05 (01:00:04):
Have some carbs.
Um you need it for your brain tofunction because you have some
grief to process.
SPEAKER_04 (01:00:15):
Yeah.
Um yeah, that's how I'd changeit.
Um I I think that's a phenomenalfilm.
It's pretty fun.
Five stars.
Good guys win.
Uh yeah.
Um So, well that's wicked forgood.
SPEAKER_05 (01:00:34):
Yeah, that's wicked for wicked for good.
Judgment day.
So uh for good.
Yeah, I'm like, look, powercorrupts absolutely.
I already saw you kind ofgetting weird when you thought
you could make it work.
So yeah, I'm just gonna suckstart this bad boy.
Now that I'm the green wizard orwhatever the fuck you people
(01:00:56):
say.
SPEAKER_02 (01:00:56):
Um stop putting people in this position.
It's me.
SPEAKER_05 (01:01:03):
Yeah.
Um and yeah, that so that'sthat's how that movie would
change.
Um, it's one for the children,really.
Uh I I need them to learn a reallesson.
SPEAKER_02 (01:01:13):
Yeah, somehow still rated PG 13.
SPEAKER_05 (01:01:17):
I get one fuck.
See, and I would use it, I'lltell you that much.
SPEAKER_02 (01:01:24):
No, it's you accidentally killed a wrong guy,
and then that's what's in thesun, but like you the knife's in
his head, and you're like, ahfuck.
SPEAKER_05 (01:01:35):
And that's why I suck starts shot.
SPEAKER_00 (01:01:39):
One too many.
SPEAKER_05 (01:01:42):
Well, I'm a monster.
Uh well, there you have it,folks.
Uh, wicked two, the wickeningjudgment day for all, or for
good, whatever.
Um, two out of five.
Wait, two point five out offive.
I'm your host, Ryan BarronNooth.
With me as always, JamesCroslin, Luke.
(01:02:03):
Uh, thank you all for joining uson our 100th episode.
If you enjoyed it, please likeand subscribe and do all the
things.
SPEAKER_02 (01:02:08):
Thanks so much to everybody.
SPEAKER_05 (01:02:10):
We love you.
Uh, five weeks from now, um,because we watched Wicked and
we're impressionable, you'll beable to see our clavicles on the
next recording.
So uh get ready for that.
Uh, we're all wearing uhsomething that stops at the neck
and uh really shows how muchwe've lost.
So enjoy it.
(01:02:31):
I don't fucking know.
I'm just riffing now.
Goodbye.
Bye.
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