February 21, 2024 • 52 mins
Ah, the 80s—when sci-fi was as much about spandex and big hair as it was about the uneasy marriage of man and machine. Even though "Total Recall" was technically 90s, we're chatting about those dystopian dreams that had us both chuckling and pondering the dark corners of tech salvation. From memory implants to gender identity and the satirical sting that Paul Verhoeven so masterfully delivers, we swing from RoboCop's beat to the intergalactic battlegrounds of Starship Troopers, all while not forgetting to tip our hats to those who navigate narratives without offending. It's a journey through the decades you won't want to miss.
Now, folks, have you ever imagined what it'd be like if 'Total Recall' had a heart transplant, swapping brawn for emotion? Hold onto your hats as we toss around a 'what if' scenario that'll have you questioning your own life choices. And because we can't resist, we're also serving up a side of laughter with a review of this Schwarzenegger classic—stunt mishaps, Kuato's creepiness, and all. So, grab your favorite drink, find your coziest chair, and join us for a session of film critique and hypothetical hijinks that's as refreshing as an ice-cold beer on a hot Texas day.
Now, folks, have you ever imagined what it'd be like if 'Total Recall' had a heart transplant, swapping brawn for emotion? Hold onto your hats as we toss around a 'what if' scenario that'll have you questioning your own life choices. And because we can't resist, we're also serving up a side of laughter with a review of this Schwarzenegger classic—stunt mishaps, Kuato's creepiness, and all. So, grab your favorite drink, find your coziest chair, and join us for a session of film critique and hypothetical hijinks that's as refreshing as an ice-cold beer on a hot Texas day.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You start, though I really want to say wow, wow, wow
, wow.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Hey everyone, welcome to High and High Podcast, the
only podcast keeping alive thefandom of George, that is the
1994 show of starring GeorgeForeman.
We're here keeping that aliveand going.
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I mean honestly, george Foreman is possibly the
most relatable boxing star.
Slash announcer, slash grillsalesman, yeah easily, easily.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
I think we all see a little bit of ourselves in
George and I think.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
That's why I say so prolific.
Yeah, it's a shame the fan tripisn't where it used to be.
I say that this podcast mightbe its inroad back into
America's hearts.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
There it is this one's for you, george.
So I'm your host, Ryan BairdNorth.
With me is always JamesCrossland.
James, what's going?
Speaker 1 (01:04):
on Not much.
It's raining here in SouthernCalifornia so I couldn't do
anything outside today.
So I'm happy to get high andtalk about total recall.
Oh, and last episode we talkedabout me making that big pot of
black beans when you werevisiting.
Didn't we have that Costa Ricandish, the gallo pinto, with the
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Rice and beans and bacon.
How was that?
Did you enjoy that?
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Yeah, it was very good, it was very good.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
I really like it and that's what we do with our big
pot of black beans.
We have to have it this morningafter like a couple months and
I haven't, and it's just like sofucking good.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Very nice, well, congratulations.
So I'm still coming at you fromthis hotel in Northern Texas
where the food isn't as good asall that, so just trying to make
it by doing the best I can outhere.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
It's like any rural place right Rural food is like
95% of all rural restaurantshave the blandest food you've
ever eaten in all your life andthen, like every once in a while
, there's a gem.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
But man, they just they hate seasoning.
They really do.
That is what.
And they love refried beansjust love them.
So, anyway, for those of youjoining us for the first time,
we're high and dry.
We're going to talk about totalrecall this week.
We're gonna bust into somephilosophies and pop culture.
(02:27):
We're gonna talk it all out,and what makes it so fun and
enjoyable is that we're gonna doa drunk and hot.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Come on, don't bullshit us.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Not really.
We're gonna do a drunk and hot.
So if you're listening on yourway to work, pull over, take
your shots.
You don't wanna be drivingwhile you do that.
We're gonna line them up now.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Oh, so this week I don't have anything super, so
they have some parties inSouthern California.
I'm gonna plug you here CushBabes.
If you're in SouthernCalifornia, Cush Babes are an
awesome organization that putson like cannabis events and they
have people who come in withtheir products and they have
like sexy parties and stuff.
(03:10):
It was a real blast.
I went to Cushmas, which was inJanuary, and I got a goodie bag
and so I got some of thesethings called Dizzies that are
infused with.
Like these ones are sour appleinfused.
I assume it's just shitcannabis.
It doesn't have like a strainor anything, so I assume it's
just not, and the good thingabout it is it's got sour apple
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infusion in it.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Very nice.
Well, I'll be joining you withRedwood Empire.
The pipe dream, bourbon whiskey, nice the power of imagination
makes us infinite is on thefront here, yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Abraham Lincoln.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Yeah, it's a 45%er, so yeah, it's got like a whole
thing on here about the land ofancient giants and no, really
yeah.
Are they?
Speaker 1 (04:15):
like Enochian?
Are they like GnosticChristians or what?
Speaker 2 (04:20):
No, they're talking about the Redwoods themselves.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Oh, they're talking about trees, oh yeah, I thought
they were like GnosticChristians, talking about, like
you know, the books that wereleft out of the Bible.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
They talked about giants the Nephilim.
No, they just make whiskey withvery odd choice and they were
just free folks.
So yeah, I don't know.
We're gonna see how it goes.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
So I'll let you know.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
All right, this first one this week goes out to our
film, the 1990 Total Recall heused to do that, cheers.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
You know, I was really surprised to see that
this movie was from the year1990.
I thought it was older.
I thought it was an 80s movie,I mean, I guess taking a shot at
this.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
It definitely played like one.
It definitely played like one.
Yeah, I got a lot to say aboutthat too.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
The sneak dazzling veneer of the 1980s, the 1980s.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Oh my God.
So how was your Strainless hitright?
Speaker 1 (05:25):
there Tastes like sour apple.
The flavor is pretty good.
I would say it's kind of like,you know, when people talk about
flavored nicotine, it's likeit's not about the quality of
the nicotine, it's about theflavor.
I don't know how good thiscannabis is.
I've smoked the.
(05:45):
You know they come in acigarette form.
I actually chopped it up andput it in my pipe, but I don't
think it's the highest qualitycannabis.
Just it tastes good though.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
And sometimes it's all in there.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
Tastes artificial Yum .
Yeah, this tastes like.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
It's hard to say.
So it went down.
It had definitely a bite at theback end, but it's almost got a
sort of a rye feel to it.
It almost tastes like a ryeversus a bourbon.
I'm not much of a rye guymyself, so we'll find out if I
like it a little more.
On this second go here.
(06:26):
So this is real quick.
We'll see who the second shot'sgoing out to.
It's going to be our newestlisteners, wherever they happen
to be in Hartford, Connecticut.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
It's the oh shit, the insurance companies are coming
after us yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Here's to them Cheers , Cheers.
Very, I definitely definitelyprefer the brothers bond that I
was doing yesterday.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
I gotta tell you, when this is smoked not as a
cigarette, because I like Ichopped open a cigarette Roll,
the joint roll when it's smokednot in that form it like Goes to
ash so quickly I don't knowwhat about it.
I is different.
I because I assume because it'snot as tightly compacted but
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does not smoke well out of apipe.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
So Well, looks like we're both suffering here, then,
so it's not suffering.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
I'm still high.
It's the good.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Okay, yeah, I'm just not feeling this one as much.
It's just Not doing it, forI'll mix this with something.
I'll mix it with something itwon't go to waste.
So this one, this one, goes outto the sleek, dazzling veneer
of the 1980s.
Cheers definitely what createdthis movie.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
I Mean sure, this movie is a product of the 80s,
but it's also a product of theamazing mind of Paul Verhoeven.
I Gotta say big fan, big fan,big Paul Verhoeven fan really.
Oh yeah, I gotta say a lot ofhis movies I really enjoyed.
(08:16):
Okay name 12.
I Don't know if he's done 12movies, but he did Robo cop to.
He did Basic instinct he did.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
that's where a Sharon stone that's where Sharon
stones in this one?
Speaker 1 (08:35):
Yeah, yeah, and he did Starship troopers, which has
a lot of people from this movieyeah, yeah, mm-hmm.
Okay, he's, did the fog, he didthe howling, he did a lot of
pretty good movies, yeah, yeahwell, I think it's time to start
cracking this bad boy open.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
So for those of you joining us who made it through
the shots and all that fun stuff, it's time to break in a total
recall.
We're gonna do this by breakingit down to three parts.
That first part are our soberthoughts and reflections.
The second part of this aregoing to be our enlightened
thoughts, once we have totalrecalled.
And and then the last, we'regonna do a little what if, where
(09:12):
?
We're gonna insert ourselvesinto the sleek, dazzling Mars of
1990.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
So I was wrong there.
He didn't do the howling or thefog, that's actually someone
else associated this production.
But he did do hollow man withKevin Bacon, which I enjoy and
show girls.
He did show girls, really hedid show girls.
Yeah, he did the original Robocop also.
So yeah, very, very good.
I I definitely like his movies.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
Okay, well, let's break into it.
Well, what are your soberthoughts on total recall?
Speaker 1 (09:46):
my sober thoughts on total recall, I would say I I
First watched this movie likeI've seen clips of it and stuff
before, but I watched this moviefor the first time a few months
ago and it was like this moviehit me perfectly.
I love this movie Really, Ithink.
(10:07):
Yes, I really do, and and I'mglad that there seems to be a
disagreement here because we cantalk about the reasons but I
feel like this movie is reallysurreal.
I feel like it's that I, youknow, when I went into this
movie, I knew there was somecontention about like, is this
all in his head?
(10:27):
Is it part of the recall?
Is it actually, you know, is ittrue, what's happening to him?
And I've got a lot of awesomethoughts about that.
I feel like I want to save himfor the, for the high portion,
just to kind of, you know,because they're more like their
higher thoughts.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay.
Well then, yeah, just myoff-the-cuff you know sober
feelings on it.
The, the body horror wasbizarre.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
It definitely created a Entirely unique voice for
this film.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Yes, the guy who did it.
His name is Rob bot and I gotin my notes here.
He was the one who was who didthe work on the fog in the
howling.
I mix them up.
He also did the thing he didmimic he did.
He did interspace theprosthetics for all those movies
.
This dude is like.
He gives such a unique voice inthe print, in the prosthetics,
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to every movie.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Oh yeah, no, now that you mentioned the thing, I
definitely see where therethere's a link there.
Yeah, we have the body.
Horror was wild.
Yes, it was wild and it's sucha strange place for it.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
Immediate thoughts.
He also has testicles of steel.
I he got like close-up camerajust fucking Whacked in the
balls multiple times.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
The two nut kicks were so funny.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Oh my god, never slowed him down, it's just so
good, I got him again in theballs later on, and he's
definitely pissing blood like nodoubt about it.
I.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
Can see why someone wouldn't like this movie.
I can see why someone wouldthink this movie is like they're
like this movie is just so it'sdumb, it's like way over the
top and it's like it's it'snonsensical and and the things
are.
So you can like see the seamssometimes of the movie and and I
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Can understand why someonewould not like that and but I I
have ideas on why that might bea Really good thing that
actually elevates the movie.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
Interesting.
Okay, well it's.
It sounds like you're.
You're almost there and readyto jump in.
Let me.
Let me just see if I have anymore Immediate thoughts on it
the only black guy in the movieis a racist caricature.
Yeah, yeah, that was definitelytrue, that was definitely true.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
That's, that's what we can't let the movie go
without mentioning it.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Nope In the beginning .
I love how we're all justsupposed to accept that His
muscles are totally normal.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
That's what a construction worker looks like.
There's a range of constructionworkers from a divan Danny
DeVito, esk, man, darnal sortsof nigger he.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
He was surrounded by DeVito Eskian people at his job,
but then he's just like oiledup and has.
It's just ridiculous.
You know he has to shop at likebig and tall for men just to
Fucking cover it all is so helooks like he's wearing garbage
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bags the whole film.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
You know, sometimes there's just people like that.
I don't know if you've worked alot of jobs, you know, have you
ever worked a job and there'sjust been a guy there who's like
ripped?
Speaker 2 (14:17):
because I have there's been ripped guys, but mr
Olympia has never been standingthere.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
I Mean, yeah, but that requires it's just who
Arnold is, you know, yeah, heArnold's there for the second
part.
That's the important thing thathad.
He goes to recall.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
I would have been totally fine with it all they
had to do so in the beginning.
When he like eats, drinks somerandom breakfast beverage.
If instead she was like passinghim plates of chicken breast
More chicken than he can eat atany time.
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And he's just fucking chowingdown on chicken breast and like
he guzzles a protein shake, thenI'm like, okay, yeah, he's
clearly that's part of hischaracter.
He, he works on that, that, butjust that just hurt to be
normal.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
That drink had 1200 grams of protein.
You don't know, it's the future.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
That's true.
That's true.
So I just have to assume thatthat was a future protein shake,
okay, well, well, would that bein such?
It's time now to transfer intoour Enlightened thoughts.
It is time for us to totalrecall this total recall, and to
have one more.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
Yeah, that's right.
Oh man, I'm pretty high.
This dizzy, these dizzy's gotme pretty high pretty quickly.
For those of you who are, whoare, who are users of cannabis,
smoking a joint or a blunt orsomething is like such a waste.
(16:08):
Most of it just burns off intothe air.
Ryan knows he's smoked tobaccoa little bit, but in a pipe,
because, guess what?
A pipe is way better and waymore economical for smoking
anything.
Use a pipe.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
Use a pipe people.
If we wanna share anything onthis show, it's definitely that.
So here's to pipe users intoArnold Schwarzenegger's
shattered testicles.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
Cheers.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Oh, oh, my All right.
Well, let's dive on in.
So you've total recalled whatare your-.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
And just picture me right now I'm so high.
Picture me in that scene wherehe lays back into the machine
and I love this shot, by the way.
He lays back into the machineand there's this parallax where
it zooms, where it zooms towardhim while he moves away and then
the back expands.
That's the transition for themovie from the real world to the
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surreal world.
It's such a good shot.
I love that shot.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
Okay, all right.
Well, continue please.
What are your enlightenedthoughts?
Speaker 1 (17:26):
Okay.
So here's my argument for whythis movie is good and it's that
scene specifically.
Before that scene we don't seeanything surreal, everything is
just like it's futuristic, right, and they talk about conflict
on Mars and they talk aboutmaybe discovering something
alien.
But I wanna look at that in thecontext of, like, the way our
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current times look at it.
If you see something in thenews and it's like, oh, they
found something alien, you knowsomewhere, it doesn't matter,
like when they sent a satelliteto Pluto or whatever, they're
like, oh, there might be alienshit.
And it's like, yeah, there wasno alien shit.
We.
It's nonsense, it'ssensationalism that comes with
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any kind of reporting.
And if you take it that way atthe beginning and then there's
nothing surreal, there's nothingsurreal before that shot where
everything, where the scenemoves irregularly in a way
that's like almost grating toyou because it's moving you to
the surreal.
And after that, that's when allthe crazy shit happens, where
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the doctor like calls the tech adumb bitch and then the tech
yeah, that was wild and slapsthe intern.
That's the transition to thesurreal.
And when you see that andyou're like and you make that
cognizant decision to look at itthat way you can start to infer
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some things about the world.
So this is where I, like, amreally jumping into the deep end
about why I think this surreal,kind of campy kind of you can
see the scenes in the plot andthe movie and even the scenery
why that's a good thing and whyit was, I think, intentional.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
So think about this tech company, recall.
Right, he hears about it onsome ad on the subway, so it's
just like an ad.
We see ads all the time.
If you turn on like, let's say,let's put old people plopped in
front of Fox News every fiveseconds is a fucking
mesothelioma ad.
Or like trying to sell themsome gadget.
That's what Recall is.
(19:36):
Recall is that kind of companyand he talks about it with one
of his coworkers.
One of his coworkers says Iknew a guy who did that.
You gotta fucking lobotomy,don't like.
This is a sleazy company thatadvertises on the train and
it'll give you a good deal just1200 credits for us to fuck
around in your head.
(19:58):
And think about any tech companylike Elon Musk who doesn't give
a shit about the safety of hispatients, or like the quality.
Just on Reddit today there wassomeone who did like a test
where they put a carrot into oneof the under, like the closing
mechanism for the automaticclosing on the Cybertruck, and
it like sliced the thick carrot,just completely shredded it,
(20:21):
and that could have been yourfinger, yeah.
So if you think of Recall likethat kind of shitty tech company
, the thing they're putting intohis brain is pulpy.
It's like low grade, lowfidelity, put together as fast
as possible, really just in yourface, and loud and surreal
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because they don't.
They're not like committed tothe quality of a reality product
.
And when you look at it likethat, I think it makes this
movie so good.
When you see like, when youjust look in your like, oh,
that's exactly what a shittypulp romance or action thing
that some tech company wouldshove into your head.
(21:07):
That's exactly what it would belike.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Yeah, no, and that's a solid point, and I definitely
appreciate the movie for what itis, don't Get Me Wrong and
there were definitely parts ofit I enjoyed For me, I think,
one of the.
So I'm just looking at my notesand yeah.
And one of my notes is that Iwas surprised, so you remember
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the scene in the Mars terminalwhere he's disguised as a woman.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
Yes, yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
At one point the bad guy says I'll arrest him.
I mean her.
It was wild that he wasrespecting that.
At that moment Arnoldidentified as a woman.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
Yeah, no, yeah, that's exactly right.
I think that's actually areally good point, and I was
also watching Con Air yesterdayand they did it in Con Air,
where he changed.
It was like, is this good or isthis bad?
There's good parts, bad parts.
He liked to change his amountof violence based on someone's
gender identity and I was likehooray, I guess.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
You know we had just started making these little baby
steps.
But then, so I, after I watchedit, something kind of stuck out
to me.
So this was definitely aproduct of the 80s and it was
still just fucking littered with80s hedonism.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
Where.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
You always needed about, let's say, one and a half
times the amount of what youloved.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
But it's just the concept that here comes the
white man, he rolls up into aplace where hedonism is provided
and then everyone elseobviously doesn't wanna be there
but they're gonna give him agreat fucking time, right, and
it just sort of got me thinkingthat I could not think of an 80s
sci-fi movie that didn'tportray the future as this
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dystopian thing.
Right, it's like, because itwas all about the hedonism, it
was all about the way they weregoing, and it occurs to me that
the way their media was everytime they depicted the future it
was gonna be bad.
They knew they were fuckingeverything up.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
Hmm.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
That's interesting.
They knew and I searched andthe only thing I could find was
one kid show about the robot whogained sentience in the
military and Star Trek but StarTrek doesn't fucking count
because that was 60s and thatwas Jetsons and they always felt
that the future was actuallygoing to be positive.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
Yeah, that's an interesting idea.
I think there are Positivefuture stuff out there, but it
depends on what you think of aspositive.
Right, there are some peoplewho would, who would say that,
you know, minority report orsomething like that is even
positive.
Like there are so manytechnological advances and and
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people, the quality of life forpeople improves dramatically.
But because one thing is wrong,it's it's a dystopia.
You know, I think if you lookedback at like the 1920s and they
were able to look forward inthe future and see what we have
now, if the story focused onsomething bad about the life at
that time, like, let's say, youknow, we're devoid of culture
(24:39):
because of, you know,advertising that's shoved in our
faces on our phone 24-7, thatkind of like tears any kind.
It Consumerizes culture andtherefore culture has no room to
grow.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
Like, yeah, people are gonna be like, oh, that's a
dystopia, even though it's likeI would rather live now than
1920, you know Well, one thing Idid appreciate about total
recall was that there were manyreferences to both sides of the
coin in this world.
Yeah like so he?
He rolls up in on Mars, there'sa huge explosion and the super
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racist depiction cast taxidrivers like welcome to Mars.
This is just how we live, yeah,yeah.
But then when he's talking tothe dude who is running the show
and he explains to him that youknow, you get the side of you.
You've forgotten.
We're friends.
Man, he drives to work in aMercedes.
His house is fucking huge.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
Yeah, and a beautiful .
They even say, like in the partwhere he comes in later.
It's like you got a beautifulwife waiting for you on the
outside, like you have a nicejob.
Amazing wife, let's just go,just take the pill and you don't
have to live this fantasy man.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
Yeah and well, that was the plan.
That would like that.
That was like that was what the80s plan was for For for three
titty girl.
Her life is gonna suck.
But you're not three titty girl, bro.
You're the dude who's rollingin with your Mercedes and your
money paying for her to do weirdshit with her three titties.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
And it is it?
Speaker 1 (26:14):
is that that 80s like they're be totally insatiable?
Yeah, you, nothing will ever,say you.
You could have Sharon stone athome and you would still be
unhappy.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
Yes, yes.
Well then that I immediatelyyou know, even just even
ignoring that you have Sharonstone at home.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
You know, peak Sharon stone, it definitely watch her,
watch her practice tennis allday.
I'm telling you.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
Yeah, I mean, that's why it took me so long to finish
the fucking movie when and whenshe's like doing the thing,
where she's like tying herwrists up with her with her bra
there, anyway she's such anamazing actress.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
You know that she is you can say you can say like
that's like Sleazy or whatever.
She's both sleazy and demure.
He has already got what hewants.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
It's fucking wild yeah well, but then it does at
the same time it sort of tapsinto what a lot of us are
feeling, as we're kind of justgoing through a Life that we
didn't quite anticipate, and ittaps into that you know that
quiet little dream that anyminute now we're gonna remember
(27:28):
that oh wait, I'm actually asecret agent and you know, and
so I definitely see therelatableness that they were
like of that little sort ofundercurrent of culture that
they were tapping into and wentwith, and then they just got all
fucking Wild with it and thingsmake her easy.
So I do see that as well.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
Paul Verhoeven, though, as a director, is
commenting on this kind of thing, like he did Robo cop, which I
think for a lot of people arelike they don't get the
undertone that it's like aterrible thing, like judge dread
.
Yeah, robo.
Pop is just yeah mm-hmm, andit's a criticism of Policing
culture and and American cultureof the time.
(28:11):
And this is like a Criticism ofthose things and I think it's
really difficult to see itbecause the movie's so surreal
that you're not sure what itmeans.
You're not sure what it'strying to say.
But Paul Verhoeven is a verycritical director.
Starship Troopers is also asatire on fascism, like I love
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this director man.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
I love fucking doogie how's.
Or looked like a Nazi, thatwhole fucking movie.
It yeah, it was For sure.
And it brings up a thing that Ijust sort of been thinking
lately is that I feel thatSociety is not responsible
(28:54):
enough to have Judge dread, orbecause you had brought up judge
dread to me.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
Yeah, I did and or.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
And every time I see a stand-up comedian I'm like
society is not responsibleenough to have this, that we are
Incapable, as a larger group,of looking at something so like
just take judge dread, forexample of looking at it saying
that was fun for a minute butit's totally wrong.
I can, I can take theentertainment value, but I'm not
(29:27):
now gonna go on a podcast andstart saying we need a judge
dread police state to stop allthese criminals.
No, I accept it forentertainment, compartmentalize
it where it belongs, acceptingall the wrong in it.
But society can't do that.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
And now we have fucking Joe Rogan and Fox News
and and they say they're beingoffensive and pushing the
boundaries of comedy becausethat's necessary.
But I can point you to someonewho is offensive in a way that
isn't derogatory toward peoplewho have been threatened in the
(30:05):
past by society Trevor Moore.
I just watched an episode ofthe Trevor Moore Show where it's
about offensive jokes and hedoes the whole thing about
offensive jokes and I'll tellyou one of the jokes where it's
like it doesn't punch down onanybody.
It was.
Did you know that animals areonly like three years old at the
(30:30):
max?
So I guess I'm a pervert in twodifferent ways, which was a
great joke.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
Yeah, no, I'm a Trevor Moore fan for sure, and
it's so sad he cut out early.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
Yeah, and that's a great offensive joke.
It doesn't punch down at anyone.
It subverts what you'rethinking in a way that doesn't
hurt a minority.
It's like fucking wild thatthese people their excuses we
are keeping.
We have to be offensive inorder to challenge the
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sensibilities of our time.
It's like the sensibilities ofour time are too racist already.
You're not challenging anything.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
No, it's just yeah.
No, especially if you weretrying to challenge
sensibilities and then you get awhole group of people going.
I agree with what this guy'ssaying.
He's got some good points.
You're not challenging anything.
You're just starting a meetingand things have gone off the
rails.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
A rally, if you will.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
Yeah, you just started a rally, that's all it
was.
So, no, you're not doing thatanymore.
There is no dip joke out thereat this point that hasn't been
told Right.
So it's like come on, you gotto be smarter than that, you got
to come up with something alittle more beyond that.
(31:56):
For sure and that was just oneof my thoughts was I feel like
me sitting here, I can watch it,I can note what the director
was trying to say, I can notethe rights and wrongs about it,
and then I can enjoy it for whatit is, but it's not going to
(32:16):
alter my political views.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
Right, yeah, exactly, and yeah, I think you're
totally right Is that it'spropaganda.
They like to present themselvesas not having an agenda or
anything, but they do have anagenda and it's really fucked up
that they have an agenda andthey're saying they don't.
(32:39):
And I think that's one of the.
I think that kind of lack ofrespect between humans is really
holding us back.
People are so so they obfuscatetheir goals so much for
personal gains.
Still, it's like come on, guys.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
Yeah, and like even watching total recall, like what
kind of just made me sort offeel sorry, kind of skeezy about
it was, you know, when we wentinto these places and the only
dude having a good time is theone guy.
Now I feel, 30 years later, 34years later, we can at least
(33:18):
start to.
We've started to accept thatlike, hey, it's still fun to be,
you know, wild and reckless and, you know, slutty in this bar,
but as long as everyone is in onit.
You know, not like, we all loveto party, we all love these
things, we love doing thesedirty things, but as long as
we're all consenting.
(33:39):
You know, no one here is beingpaid, no one here is against
their will.
We're all in it together and wejust weren't quite there yet.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
Yeah, and I think that it's important to.
I don't like ArnoldSchwarzenegger's character.
Are you looking at this throughthe lens that you're supposed
to like Arnold Schwarzenegger'scharacter?
Like he's, like he's.
He's a representative of you asthe viewer.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
Well, I mean that's.
I mean just because in thebeginning, when you know they
try and like, do that the wholeconcept of he's monotonous and
he's dreaming of escaping it weall are, and so we start to
immediately relate to him.
But then you got it, but by thetime he was on the screen
grinning like a jackass athimself.
(34:21):
That's when you realize thatyou're looking at a mirror of
this guy and he's not a goodperson.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
Right, yes, he's a.
He's a piece of shit who'sbored with his amazing life,
like he's got a great life andhe's bored by it and it's.
I don't like him as a character.
Every time he makes a decisionin this movie.
I'm like God's guys, such afucking idiot, you know and like
, and I'm like this guy is sucha sleaze ball and who who
(34:50):
doesn't give a shit about anyonebut himself and I think about
that.
That's how I think about him inthe movie.
But I still love the moviebecause I feel like the movie is
like this guy is.
This is this guy's fantasy andthis guy's a dumb.
He's guys, an idiot and a pieceof shit.
Well, I mean, he's fantasy.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
It started with him.
Immediately he went to go pay athousand credits or whatever it
was, to emotionally cheat onSharon Stone Right, and then he
went to a level where he wouldalways have that memory but not
feel responsible for it.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
And he told his.
He told Sharon Stone like youknow, I was thinking about doing
this recall and she was likeI'd really rather you didn't,
like they're going to go insideyour head and stuff, and I we
don't know what that does,because because, as you know
from his coworker, this fuckspeople up sometimes and and he
does it anyway behind her backbecause he feels unfulfilled if
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he doesn't have a vacation toMars.
Yeah, and, and so that's whatyou think of the character, if
you, if you visualize thecharacter that way and think
that you're supposed to, insteadof saying like it's an older
movie.
They were idiots in the pastand they didn't realize how
shitty their culture was.
If you go, all right, this is acriticism by Paul Verhoeven on
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the shittiness of this culture.
Yeah, I think it reallyelevates the movie.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
Yeah Well, and then I think they could have taken it
one little step further.
Just a nail at home at the end,when he she's like you, better
kiss me.
Before you realize this is adream.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
Have him.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
If they have him, show that it.
Or just to like, have SharonStone come in and this douchebag
is been lobotomized at theplace where she said you
shouldn't go there.
Yeah, you know, and it's likeyou shouldn't have gone there.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
Yeah, they decided to leave.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
They decided to leave it ambiguous.
Yes, I think that was to reach,you know, the audience, who's
not responsible enough for thismovie?
Speaker 1 (36:58):
I think maybe you're right on that case, because
think about his other moviesthat we talked about.
Both Robocop and StarshipTroopers are beloved movies by
the exact people that they'reparodying.
Yeah, so, man, I have to agreewith you that he did not take it
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far enough in a responsible way.
He should have.
There should have been aresolution that that had him
suffer, but but you know, ifyou're trying to depict the
reality of an arc like thatrealistically, nothing happens
to him.
He just he's just like allright, good memories.
Wow, this lying to my wife wasgreat and I'm going to do it
(37:42):
again.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
Yeah, Well, because like how long until he does that
Malina or the new agent he'swith you know, because obviously
there's a hole inside you thatyou well even in his, even in
his fantasy.
Speaker 1 (37:57):
Everyone was like listen, you've let all of us
down with your selfishness.
Like that was in his ownfantasy.
Malina fucking told him that.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
And it's like ah, we forgive you.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
Well, end of the.
The 2012 version of TotalRecall.
They tried to correct basicallya lot of what we were talking
about here, and then they weretrying to update it for 2012.
But then they sucked out all ofthe soul that was put in and so
it became the ArnoldSchwarzenegger that was the
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Irish guy.
Speaker 1 (38:37):
Colin Farrell.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
Colin Farrell was a much more likable character in
this one, but the movie itselfhad lost a lot of the soul of
the original Total Recall.
From what I understand, it iscloser to the novel, but I never
.
I never read the novel toactually be able to comment on
that.
Speaker 1 (38:56):
You know, and I don't know if the novel would
actually reflect PaulVerhoeven's vision of it being a
satire and stuff, because guesswhat, starship Troopers was not
the satire that Paul Verhoevenmade.
It was like, legitimately, likeI think a fascist government
would be a military, a militarygovernment would be the best
government was what the authorthought, and it would achieve
(39:18):
the goal the best and fastest.
And Paul Verhoeven was like no,I'm this is, I want to, I want
to satirize this by byshowcasing it.
Yeah, and it really can.
You're right that it confusesaudiences.
Speaker 2 (39:33):
No, you have to be able to look at things
critically, and I feel that justhuman beings do not, and so a
lot of our media.
We're not responsible enoughfor it.
Speaker 1 (39:44):
No, no, and it sucks because, like you see, shit like
the look on his face as he getslowered back to the scene is
like you know, like, like theridiculous look.
And some people like, wow,wouldn't that be amazing?
And I'm sitting here thinking,wow, what a horrifying trend
like transition yeah, definitely.
Speaker 2 (40:04):
Well, it's time to move into our final portion of
this.
It's time to get into our whatifs.
We definitely were burning intothat Enlightened thoughts.
Speaker 1 (40:14):
There we got total recall, you dumb bitch.
Speaker 2 (40:21):
That was like that was a wild scene.
That was a wild scene.
Well, so what if you were there?
Speaker 1 (40:36):
Oh man, you know, that scene was so crazy.
It really set the tone for mebecause I felt like that
encapsulated the surreality,right, yeah, yeah.
But I don't know, I feel like Ifeel like when he popped up and
he was like, hey, listen,you're still at recall, you're
suffering in embolism I wouldhave been like, oh shit, oh no,
(41:02):
my wife's here.
Oh no, I feel guilty.
I went behind her back.
You would have had a breakdown.
Yeah, I would have had abreakdown, I would have.
And also, did the matrix stealthe pill thing from total recall
?
Holy shit, did you see thatcoming when he offered him the
red pill?
They like stole that, thematrix, like stole the idea.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
The best ideas, the best things that we have.
We were just talking.
So, after the camera cut on ourDune episode, we were talking
about Star Wars and it was justan updated Dune, you know?
Yeah, that's all it is.
You just got to steal withstyle.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
Yeah, you got to steal what's best and then make
it better.
Speaker 2 (41:42):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (41:44):
Well, during that part I probably would have taken
that pill because I really Iwould have been in touch with
reality, I'd hope.
Speaker 2 (41:54):
Well, that, instead of the sorry good.
Oh well, that makes you such abetter guy, because he just
glosses over the fact he hadeight years implanted or not,
eight years of marriage withthis woman whom he is just able
to face.
Push off of him, and I'm not aguy that he's never met in the
head.
Speaker 1 (42:15):
Sharon Stone Just like, get out of my face, woman.
Speaker 2 (42:23):
Yeah, yeah, and it's just like so.
Definitely there would havebeen a different movie,
inserting you and empathetic,compassionate human being into
the scene who screwed up.
Speaker 1 (42:36):
He married Sharon Stone when she was like 16.
How old do you think she was inthis movie?
Because they were married foreight years she was 30.
Oh, Sharon Stone was supposedto be 30 in that movie.
Was she actually 30?
She was actually 30.
Oh my God.
Speaker 2 (42:55):
I know.
So they married when she was 22.
Speaker 1 (42:59):
Wow, well, that's shocking.
Sharon Stone was a smoke show,yeah.
Yeah, that was nice and sheknew it and they really like
threw it around the film.
How much of a smoke show shewas.
Speaker 2 (43:14):
Yeah, yeah, no yeah, then that would have been my.
What if I?
Speaker 1 (43:22):
No, I'm just gonna stay with my wife.
Speaker 2 (43:26):
Yeah, I don't want to go to Mars, I'm gonna get back
to it.
Speaker 1 (43:35):
This might be a little too personal.
Well, no, never mind.
I was gonna say that you'vetalked about starting a
revolution elsewhere, so I thinkthat maybe you would want to go
to Mars.
Wait, does this mean you'vedone some reflecting on some of
these dreams that you've had inthe past?
Because that would beinteresting.
Well, so no, I have not grown,I have not reflected on shit.
Speaker 2 (43:59):
All right, but what would have realistically
happened?
Though I've been with SharonStone for eight years, right
Kudos to me.
Speaker 1 (44:10):
Yeah, so you would be Arnold Schwarzenegger in this
movie.
Speaker 2 (44:16):
No, I would.
Then you know what?
Sharon Stone doesn't want me togo to Total Recall.
I'm feeling something inside.
I'm going to go back to school,I'm going to get a degree maybe
, and I'm going to get adifferent job and me and Sharon
(44:36):
Stone are going to be happysomewhere else where I can be
happy.
Speaker 1 (44:41):
Oh, I see you want to shake it up first.
Speaker 2 (44:45):
Mm-hmm, yeah, not with the recall.
No, I would not go to therecall.
Speaker 1 (44:51):
What if you had to be in the recall?
What would you do differently?
Speaker 2 (44:55):
Okay.
So if I've already done that,I've recalled.
I mean I definitely think Iwould take a much more Colin
Farrell approach to it and Idefinitely hope that my martial
arts skills would be on the 2012level versus the 1990 level.
Speaker 1 (45:14):
Well, you can do anything of these Like it's your
dream.
Speaker 2 (45:19):
Yeah, Well then I look it would definitely be more
of the Colin Farrell stylething of it.
Plus, I'm there now and I havethe power to inflict my change,
my revolutionary change.
I'm definitely going to inflictit, no doubt.
Speaker 1 (45:39):
Right right.
Speaker 2 (45:41):
But you'll definitely see a much more darker version
of the movie, where I go througha lot of emotional struggle and
emotional trauma, like when mywife of eight years walks in and
is trying to talk me out ofthis.
(46:01):
I understand that she's a spy.
It's going to be a veryemotional scene.
It's not just going to be fuckoff woman and then kill a guy.
No, it's going to be traumatic,it's going to be dark, it's
going to be like if total recallmeets the fucking watchman.
You know it's going to be.
(46:23):
It's going to be hard to watch.
Speaker 1 (46:26):
Yeah, it's going to.
It's going to pull yourheartstrings.
Speaker 2 (46:29):
Yes, yeah, it's going to be trials and tribulations.
Speaker 1 (46:35):
This one did not pull on any heartstrings.
Speaker 2 (46:37):
No.
Speaker 1 (46:38):
I was.
I was actually tired by thetime I watched, by the time this
movie ended, I was.
I was like tired because therewas just so much surreal shit
happening from scene to sceneand I was laughing so much.
Speaker 2 (46:53):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (46:53):
And by the end I was tired.
Yeah, I liked this movie a lot.
Speaker 2 (46:57):
Yeah, yeah, and that would be my main.
What if you throw me in this atthat Sharon Stone scene where
she comes in she's trying totalking out of it.
It's going to be a scene whereyou see a man having to rip out
eight years of love and caring,and so it's going to be a
vicious, fucking brutal scene.
(47:18):
And then when he arrives onMars, you put me in that
position.
There we're going to explore alot more of how this is
disgusting and I need to tear itdown.
It would start to turn intolike a terrorist propaganda film
.
Speaker 1 (47:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (47:33):
You know it would be a long ride.
Speaker 1 (47:35):
He was a terrorist leader.
Speaker 2 (47:37):
Yeah, yeah, and I think my film, my what if would
like try and make you, theviewer, a terrorist.
Speaker 1 (47:46):
Perfect yeah.
Speaker 2 (47:49):
It would be.
There'd be a lot to digest inthat one.
It wouldn't be.
Speaker 1 (47:54):
And then at the end you wake up and you're like, ah
yeah, finally I've led arevolution, Now I can just relax
with Sharon Stone.
Speaker 2 (48:04):
I would go home and I would apologize.
Speaker 1 (48:08):
I feel fulfilled now, though, sweetheart, like I feel
totally fulfilled.
This is all I've wanted waslead one revolution and crushed
my enemies and free my peers,and I need to go see a therapist
.
Speaker 2 (48:21):
This shit happened in there and I feel like my
heart's been ripped apart, soexcuse me.
Speaker 1 (48:27):
I'm so happy to see you.
I'm so glad you're alive.
Speaker 2 (48:31):
Yeah, and then she's going to be like, hey, you
probably should have gone to atherapist first instead of total
recall.
Speaker 1 (48:38):
But this seemed easier and like more fun.
I'm so sorry, man, it seems somuch easier.
Speaker 2 (48:47):
Yeah, so I would have to.
Yeah, so my what if?
Would be a lot of time spentapologizing to Sharon Stone.
Speaker 1 (48:58):
Perfect.
Speaker 2 (49:00):
Well, did you have any final what ifs that you
wanted to add before we closethis bad way out?
Speaker 1 (49:05):
Let's see what ifs.
No, I don't think I have anywhat ifs, but I do want to point
out Sharon, my wife, she didsay during one of the scenes
they actually pick up the gunsthat the other people drop right
away, which is more than youcan say for most action movies.
Speaker 2 (49:21):
Yeah, that is true, they grabbed the guns.
Speaker 1 (49:23):
They grabbed the guns off the people.
They knocked out immediatelyand I was like, yes, this is
truly the smartest action moviecharacters ever.
Speaker 2 (49:33):
Oh yeah, no, from someone who's been in a class
like that, I can't tell you howmuch a professional would have
it just ingrained in their heads, like it would be second nature
, like breathing, to separate acorpse from the weapon that it
held a minute ago.
Speaker 1 (49:53):
Yeah, it should be instinct.
Speaker 2 (49:58):
Mm, hmm, yeah, oh yeah, so it was separated from
bodies immediately.
Speaker 1 (50:03):
Yeah, I would say.
I would also say get your assto Mars.
I would also.
The old lady who yelled fuckyou at him after she stole his
briefcase was very funny.
She's so confused, fuck you.
Speaker 2 (50:28):
That was bizarre.
Speaker 1 (50:30):
That was so hilarious that was a trip the scene where
, on the escalator, where heuses the guy as a human shield
and he's like a hand burger bythe time he drops it.
Speaker 2 (50:47):
Well, I like that he's hamburger.
But the stuntman you think theyentered that when he gets
thrown, they started the shottoo soon and you see the
stuntman kick off.
Yeah, propelling himself.
Speaker 1 (51:05):
It's so fucking funny .
Oh my god, I love how funnythis movie is and I totally
believe it's intentional.
Speaker 2 (51:14):
Yeah, we have to.
Speaker 1 (51:17):
Yeah, all the exaggerated body of the throws
get throwing people.
That is great.
Let's see what else do I have?
Great Wait, a creepy little guy, what was his name?
Speaker 2 (51:39):
A Quata Quata.
Yeah, quata, yeah, he's alwaysgreat.
He's always fantastic Well.
Speaker 1 (51:47):
Great.
Speaker 2 (51:52):
Well, there you go, folks.
We've just listened to theevolution of Siskel and Ebert as
we start tackling these films.
This is what it's going to be.
This is the new movie reviews.
So thank you all so much forlistening.
We just tackled total recall.
We're high and dry.
Follow us, do all those things,appreciate you Bye.
Speaker 1 (52:16):
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You start, though I really want to say wow, wow, wow
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on Not much.
It's raining here in SouthernCalifornia so I couldn't do
anything outside today.
So I'm happy to get high andtalk about total recall.
Oh, and last episode we talkedabout me making that big pot of
black beans when you werevisiting.
Didn't we have that Costa Ricandish, the gallo pinto, with the
(01:24):
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Rice and beans and bacon.
How was that?
Did you enjoy that?
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Yeah, it was very good, it was very good.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
I really like it and that's what we do with our big
pot of black beans.
We have to have it this morningafter like a couple months and
I haven't, and it's just like sofucking good.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Very nice, well, congratulations.
So I'm still coming at you fromthis hotel in Northern Texas
where the food isn't as good asall that, so just trying to make
it by doing the best I can outhere.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
It's like any rural place right Rural food is like
95% of all rural restaurantshave the blandest food you've
ever eaten in all your life andthen, like every once in a while
, there's a gem.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
But man, they just they hate seasoning.
They really do.
That is what.
And they love refried beansjust love them.
So, anyway, for those of youjoining us for the first time,
we're high and dry.
We're going to talk about totalrecall this week.
We're gonna bust into somephilosophies and pop culture.
(02:27):
We're gonna talk it all out,and what makes it so fun and
enjoyable is that we're gonna doa drunk and hot.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Come on, don't bullshit us.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Not really.
We're gonna do a drunk and hot.
So if you're listening on yourway to work, pull over, take
your shots.
You don't wanna be drivingwhile you do that.
We're gonna line them up now.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Oh, so this week I don't have anything super, so
they have some parties inSouthern California.
I'm gonna plug you here CushBabes.
If you're in SouthernCalifornia, Cush Babes are an
awesome organization that putson like cannabis events and they
have people who come in withtheir products and they have
like sexy parties and stuff.
(03:10):
It was a real blast.
I went to Cushmas, which was inJanuary, and I got a goodie bag
and so I got some of thesethings called Dizzies that are
infused with.
Like these ones are sour appleinfused.
I assume it's just shitcannabis.
It doesn't have like a strainor anything, so I assume it's
just not, and the good thingabout it is it's got sour apple
(03:33):
infusion in it.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Very nice.
Well, I'll be joining you withRedwood Empire.
The pipe dream, bourbon whiskey, nice the power of imagination
makes us infinite is on thefront here, yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Abraham Lincoln.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Yeah, it's a 45%er, so yeah, it's got like a whole
thing on here about the land ofancient giants and no, really
yeah.
Are they?
Speaker 1 (04:15):
like Enochian?
Are they like GnosticChristians or what?
Speaker 2 (04:20):
No, they're talking about the Redwoods themselves.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Oh, they're talking about trees, oh yeah, I thought
they were like GnosticChristians, talking about, like
you know, the books that wereleft out of the Bible.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
They talked about giants the Nephilim.
No, they just make whiskey withvery odd choice and they were
just free folks.
So yeah, I don't know.
We're gonna see how it goes.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
So I'll let you know.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
All right, this first one this week goes out to our
film, the 1990 Total Recall heused to do that, cheers.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
You know, I was really surprised to see that
this movie was from the year1990.
I thought it was older.
I thought it was an 80s movie,I mean, I guess taking a shot at
this.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
It definitely played like one.
It definitely played like one.
Yeah, I got a lot to say aboutthat too.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
The sneak dazzling veneer of the 1980s, the 1980s.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Oh my God.
So how was your Strainless hitright?
Speaker 1 (05:25):
there Tastes like sour apple.
The flavor is pretty good.
I would say it's kind of like,you know, when people talk about
flavored nicotine, it's likeit's not about the quality of
the nicotine, it's about theflavor.
I don't know how good thiscannabis is.
I've smoked the.
(05:45):
You know they come in acigarette form.
I actually chopped it up andput it in my pipe, but I don't
think it's the highest qualitycannabis.
Just it tastes good though.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
And sometimes it's all in there.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
Tastes artificial Yum .
Yeah, this tastes like.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
It's hard to say.
So it went down.
It had definitely a bite at theback end, but it's almost got a
sort of a rye feel to it.
It almost tastes like a ryeversus a bourbon.
I'm not much of a rye guymyself, so we'll find out if I
like it a little more.
On this second go here.
(06:26):
So this is real quick.
We'll see who the second shot'sgoing out to.
It's going to be our newestlisteners, wherever they happen
to be in Hartford, Connecticut.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
It's the oh shit, the insurance companies are coming
after us yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Here's to them Cheers , Cheers.
Very, I definitely definitelyprefer the brothers bond that I
was doing yesterday.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
I gotta tell you, when this is smoked not as a
cigarette, because I like Ichopped open a cigarette Roll,
the joint roll when it's smokednot in that form it like Goes to
ash so quickly I don't knowwhat about it.
I is different.
I because I assume because it'snot as tightly compacted but
(07:19):
does not smoke well out of apipe.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
So Well, looks like we're both suffering here, then,
so it's not suffering.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
I'm still high.
It's the good.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Okay, yeah, I'm just not feeling this one as much.
It's just Not doing it, forI'll mix this with something.
I'll mix it with something itwon't go to waste.
So this one, this one, goes outto the sleek, dazzling veneer
of the 1980s.
Cheers definitely what createdthis movie.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
I Mean sure, this movie is a product of the 80s,
but it's also a product of theamazing mind of Paul Verhoeven.
I Gotta say big fan, big fan,big Paul Verhoeven fan really.
Oh yeah, I gotta say a lot ofhis movies I really enjoyed.
(08:16):
Okay name 12.
I Don't know if he's done 12movies, but he did Robo cop to.
He did Basic instinct he did.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
that's where a Sharon stone that's where Sharon
stones in this one?
Speaker 1 (08:35):
Yeah, yeah, and he did Starship troopers, which has
a lot of people from this movieyeah, yeah, mm-hmm.
Okay, he's, did the fog, he didthe howling, he did a lot of
pretty good movies, yeah, yeahwell, I think it's time to start
cracking this bad boy open.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
So for those of you joining us who made it through
the shots and all that fun stuff, it's time to break in a total
recall.
We're gonna do this by breakingit down to three parts.
That first part are our soberthoughts and reflections.
The second part of this aregoing to be our enlightened
thoughts, once we have totalrecalled.
And and then the last, we'regonna do a little what if, where
(09:12):
?
We're gonna insert ourselvesinto the sleek, dazzling Mars of
1990.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
So I was wrong there.
He didn't do the howling or thefog, that's actually someone
else associated this production.
But he did do hollow man withKevin Bacon, which I enjoy and
show girls.
He did show girls, really hedid show girls.
Yeah, he did the original Robocop also.
So yeah, very, very good.
I I definitely like his movies.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
Okay, well, let's break into it.
Well, what are your soberthoughts on total recall?
Speaker 1 (09:46):
my sober thoughts on total recall, I would say I I
First watched this movie likeI've seen clips of it and stuff
before, but I watched this moviefor the first time a few months
ago and it was like this moviehit me perfectly.
I love this movie Really, Ithink.
(10:07):
Yes, I really do, and and I'mglad that there seems to be a
disagreement here because we cantalk about the reasons but I
feel like this movie is reallysurreal.
I feel like it's that I, youknow, when I went into this
movie, I knew there was somecontention about like, is this
all in his head?
(10:27):
Is it part of the recall?
Is it actually, you know, is ittrue, what's happening to him?
And I've got a lot of awesomethoughts about that.
I feel like I want to save himfor the, for the high portion,
just to kind of, you know,because they're more like their
higher thoughts.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay.
Well then, yeah, just myoff-the-cuff you know sober
feelings on it.
The, the body horror wasbizarre.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
It definitely created a Entirely unique voice for
this film.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Yes, the guy who did it.
His name is Rob bot and I gotin my notes here.
He was the one who was who didthe work on the fog in the
howling.
I mix them up.
He also did the thing he didmimic he did.
He did interspace theprosthetics for all those movies
.
This dude is like.
He gives such a unique voice inthe print, in the prosthetics,
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to every movie.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Oh yeah, no, now that you mentioned the thing, I
definitely see where therethere's a link there.
Yeah, we have the body.
Horror was wild.
Yes, it was wild and it's sucha strange place for it.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
Immediate thoughts.
He also has testicles of steel.
I he got like close-up camerajust fucking Whacked in the
balls multiple times.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
The two nut kicks were so funny.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Oh my god, never slowed him down, it's just so
good, I got him again in theballs later on, and he's
definitely pissing blood like nodoubt about it.
I.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
Can see why someone wouldn't like this movie.
I can see why someone wouldthink this movie is like they're
like this movie is just so it'sdumb, it's like way over the
top and it's like it's it'snonsensical and and the things
are.
So you can like see the seamssometimes of the movie and and I
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Can understand why someonewould not like that and but I I
have ideas on why that might bea Really good thing that
actually elevates the movie.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
Interesting.
Okay, well it's.
It sounds like you're.
You're almost there and readyto jump in.
Let me.
Let me just see if I have anymore Immediate thoughts on it
the only black guy in the movieis a racist caricature.
Yeah, yeah, that was definitelytrue, that was definitely true.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
That's, that's what we can't let the movie go
without mentioning it.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Nope In the beginning .
I love how we're all justsupposed to accept that His
muscles are totally normal.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
That's what a construction worker looks like.
There's a range of constructionworkers from a divan Danny
DeVito, esk, man, darnal sortsof nigger he.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
He was surrounded by DeVito Eskian people at his job,
but then he's just like oiledup and has.
It's just ridiculous.
You know he has to shop at likebig and tall for men just to
Fucking cover it all is so helooks like he's wearing garbage
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bags the whole film.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
You know, sometimes there's just people like that.
I don't know if you've worked alot of jobs, you know, have you
ever worked a job and there'sjust been a guy there who's like
ripped?
Speaker 2 (14:17):
because I have there's been ripped guys, but mr
Olympia has never been standingthere.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
I Mean, yeah, but that requires it's just who
Arnold is, you know, yeah, heArnold's there for the second
part.
That's the important thing thathad.
He goes to recall.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
I would have been totally fine with it all they
had to do so in the beginning.
When he like eats, drinks somerandom breakfast beverage.
If instead she was like passinghim plates of chicken breast
More chicken than he can eat atany time.
(15:01):
And he's just fucking chowingdown on chicken breast and like
he guzzles a protein shake, thenI'm like, okay, yeah, he's
clearly that's part of hischaracter.
He, he works on that, that, butjust that just hurt to be
normal.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
That drink had 1200 grams of protein.
You don't know, it's the future.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
That's true.
That's true.
So I just have to assume thatthat was a future protein shake,
okay, well, well, would that bein such?
It's time now to transfer intoour Enlightened thoughts.
It is time for us to totalrecall this total recall, and to
have one more.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
Yeah, that's right.
Oh man, I'm pretty high.
This dizzy, these dizzy's gotme pretty high pretty quickly.
For those of you who are, whoare, who are users of cannabis,
smoking a joint or a blunt orsomething is like such a waste.
(16:08):
Most of it just burns off intothe air.
Ryan knows he's smoked tobaccoa little bit, but in a pipe,
because, guess what?
A pipe is way better and waymore economical for smoking
anything.
Use a pipe.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
Use a pipe people.
If we wanna share anything onthis show, it's definitely that.
So here's to pipe users intoArnold Schwarzenegger's
shattered testicles.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
Cheers.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Oh, oh, my All right.
Well, let's dive on in.
So you've total recalled whatare your-.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
And just picture me right now I'm so high.
Picture me in that scene wherehe lays back into the machine
and I love this shot, by the way.
He lays back into the machineand there's this parallax where
it zooms, where it zooms towardhim while he moves away and then
the back expands.
That's the transition for themovie from the real world to the
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surreal world.
It's such a good shot.
I love that shot.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
Okay, all right.
Well, continue please.
What are your enlightenedthoughts?
Speaker 1 (17:26):
Okay.
So here's my argument for whythis movie is good and it's that
scene specifically.
Before that scene we don't seeanything surreal, everything is
just like it's futuristic, right, and they talk about conflict
on Mars and they talk aboutmaybe discovering something
alien.
But I wanna look at that in thecontext of, like, the way our
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current times look at it.
If you see something in thenews and it's like, oh, they
found something alien, you knowsomewhere, it doesn't matter,
like when they sent a satelliteto Pluto or whatever, they're
like, oh, there might be alienshit.
And it's like, yeah, there wasno alien shit.
We.
It's nonsense, it'ssensationalism that comes with
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any kind of reporting.
And if you take it that way atthe beginning and then there's
nothing surreal, there's nothingsurreal before that shot where
everything, where the scenemoves irregularly in a way
that's like almost grating toyou because it's moving you to
the surreal.
And after that, that's when allthe crazy shit happens, where
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the doctor like calls the tech adumb bitch and then the tech
yeah, that was wild and slapsthe intern.
That's the transition to thesurreal.
And when you see that andyou're like and you make that
cognizant decision to look at itthat way you can start to infer
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some things about the world.
So this is where I, like, amreally jumping into the deep end
about why I think this surreal,kind of campy kind of you can
see the scenes in the plot andthe movie and even the scenery
why that's a good thing and whyit was, I think, intentional.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
So think about this tech company, recall.
Right, he hears about it onsome ad on the subway, so it's
just like an ad.
We see ads all the time.
If you turn on like, let's say,let's put old people plopped in
front of Fox News every fiveseconds is a fucking
mesothelioma ad.
Or like trying to sell themsome gadget.
That's what Recall is.
(19:36):
Recall is that kind of companyand he talks about it with one
of his coworkers.
One of his coworkers says Iknew a guy who did that.
You gotta fucking lobotomy,don't like.
This is a sleazy company thatadvertises on the train and
it'll give you a good deal just1200 credits for us to fuck
around in your head.
(19:58):
And think about any tech companylike Elon Musk who doesn't give
a shit about the safety of hispatients, or like the quality.
Just on Reddit today there wassomeone who did like a test
where they put a carrot into oneof the under, like the closing
mechanism for the automaticclosing on the Cybertruck, and
it like sliced the thick carrot,just completely shredded it,
(20:21):
and that could have been yourfinger, yeah.
So if you think of Recall likethat kind of shitty tech company
, the thing they're putting intohis brain is pulpy.
It's like low grade, lowfidelity, put together as fast
as possible, really just in yourface, and loud and surreal
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because they don't.
They're not like committed tothe quality of a reality product
.
And when you look at it likethat, I think it makes this
movie so good.
When you see like, when youjust look in your like, oh,
that's exactly what a shittypulp romance or action thing
that some tech company wouldshove into your head.
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That's exactly what it would belike.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Yeah, no, and that's a solid point, and I definitely
appreciate the movie for what itis, don't Get Me Wrong and
there were definitely parts ofit I enjoyed For me, I think,
one of the.
So I'm just looking at my notesand yeah.
And one of my notes is that Iwas surprised, so you remember
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the scene in the Mars terminalwhere he's disguised as a woman.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
Yes, yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
At one point the bad guy says I'll arrest him.
I mean her.
It was wild that he wasrespecting that.
At that moment Arnoldidentified as a woman.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
Yeah, no, yeah, that's exactly right.
I think that's actually areally good point, and I was
also watching Con Air yesterdayand they did it in Con Air,
where he changed.
It was like, is this good or isthis bad?
There's good parts, bad parts.
He liked to change his amountof violence based on someone's
gender identity and I was likehooray, I guess.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
You know we had just started making these little baby
steps.
But then, so I, after I watchedit, something kind of stuck out
to me.
So this was definitely aproduct of the 80s and it was
still just fucking littered with80s hedonism.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
Where.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
You always needed about, let's say, one and a half
times the amount of what youloved.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
But it's just the concept that here comes the
white man, he rolls up into aplace where hedonism is provided
and then everyone elseobviously doesn't wanna be there
but they're gonna give him agreat fucking time, right, and
it just sort of got me thinkingthat I could not think of an 80s
sci-fi movie that didn'tportray the future as this
(23:12):
dystopian thing.
Right, it's like, because itwas all about the hedonism, it
was all about the way they weregoing, and it occurs to me that
the way their media was everytime they depicted the future it
was gonna be bad.
They knew they were fuckingeverything up.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
Hmm.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
That's interesting.
They knew and I searched andthe only thing I could find was
one kid show about the robot whogained sentience in the
military and Star Trek but StarTrek doesn't fucking count
because that was 60s and thatwas Jetsons and they always felt
that the future was actuallygoing to be positive.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
Yeah, that's an interesting idea.
I think there are Positivefuture stuff out there, but it
depends on what you think of aspositive.
Right, there are some peoplewho would, who would say that,
you know, minority report orsomething like that is even
positive.
Like there are so manytechnological advances and and
(24:16):
people, the quality of life forpeople improves dramatically.
But because one thing is wrong,it's it's a dystopia.
You know, I think if you lookedback at like the 1920s and they
were able to look forward inthe future and see what we have
now, if the story focused onsomething bad about the life at
that time, like, let's say, youknow, we're devoid of culture
(24:39):
because of, you know,advertising that's shoved in our
faces on our phone 24-7, thatkind of like tears any kind.
It Consumerizes culture andtherefore culture has no room to
grow.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
Like, yeah, people are gonna be like, oh, that's a
dystopia, even though it's likeI would rather live now than
1920, you know Well, one thing Idid appreciate about total
recall was that there were manyreferences to both sides of the
coin in this world.
Yeah like so he?
He rolls up in on Mars, there'sa huge explosion and the super
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racist depiction cast taxidrivers like welcome to Mars.
This is just how we live, yeah,yeah.
But then when he's talking tothe dude who is running the show
and he explains to him that youknow, you get the side of you.
You've forgotten.
We're friends.
Man, he drives to work in aMercedes.
His house is fucking huge.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
Yeah, and a beautiful .
They even say, like in the partwhere he comes in later.
It's like you got a beautifulwife waiting for you on the
outside, like you have a nicejob.
Amazing wife, let's just go,just take the pill and you don't
have to live this fantasy man.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
Yeah and well, that was the plan.
That would like that.
That was like that was what the80s plan was for For for three
titty girl.
Her life is gonna suck.
But you're not three titty girl, bro.
You're the dude who's rollingin with your Mercedes and your
money paying for her to do weirdshit with her three titties.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
And it is it?
Speaker 1 (26:14):
is that that 80s like they're be totally insatiable?
Yeah, you, nothing will ever,say you.
You could have Sharon stone athome and you would still be
unhappy.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
Yes, yes.
Well then that I immediatelyyou know, even just even
ignoring that you have Sharonstone at home.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
You know, peak Sharon stone, it definitely watch her,
watch her practice tennis allday.
I'm telling you.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
Yeah, I mean, that's why it took me so long to finish
the fucking movie when and whenshe's like doing the thing,
where she's like tying herwrists up with her with her bra
there, anyway she's such anamazing actress.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
You know that she is you can say you can say like
that's like Sleazy or whatever.
She's both sleazy and demure.
He has already got what hewants.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
It's fucking wild yeah well, but then it does at
the same time it sort of tapsinto what a lot of us are
feeling, as we're kind of justgoing through a Life that we
didn't quite anticipate, and ittaps into that you know that
quiet little dream that anyminute now we're gonna remember
(27:28):
that oh wait, I'm actually asecret agent and you know, and
so I definitely see therelatableness that they were
like of that little sort ofundercurrent of culture that
they were tapping into and wentwith, and then they just got all
fucking Wild with it and thingsmake her easy.
So I do see that as well.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
Paul Verhoeven, though, as a director, is
commenting on this kind of thing, like he did Robo cop, which I
think for a lot of people arelike they don't get the
undertone that it's like aterrible thing, like judge dread
.
Yeah, robo.
Pop is just yeah mm-hmm, andit's a criticism of Policing
culture and and American cultureof the time.
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And this is like a Criticism ofthose things and I think it's
really difficult to see itbecause the movie's so surreal
that you're not sure what itmeans.
You're not sure what it'strying to say.
But Paul Verhoeven is a verycritical director.
Starship Troopers is also asatire on fascism, like I love
(28:31):
this director man.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
I love fucking doogie how's.
Or looked like a Nazi, thatwhole fucking movie.
It yeah, it was For sure.
And it brings up a thing that Ijust sort of been thinking
lately is that I feel thatSociety is not responsible
(28:54):
enough to have Judge dread, orbecause you had brought up judge
dread to me.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
Yeah, I did and or.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
And every time I see a stand-up comedian I'm like
society is not responsibleenough to have this, that we are
Incapable, as a larger group,of looking at something so like
just take judge dread, forexample of looking at it saying
that was fun for a minute butit's totally wrong.
I can, I can take theentertainment value, but I'm not
(29:27):
now gonna go on a podcast andstart saying we need a judge
dread police state to stop allthese criminals.
No, I accept it forentertainment, compartmentalize
it where it belongs, acceptingall the wrong in it.
But society can't do that.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
And now we have fucking Joe Rogan and Fox News
and and they say they're beingoffensive and pushing the
boundaries of comedy becausethat's necessary.
But I can point you to someonewho is offensive in a way that
isn't derogatory toward peoplewho have been threatened in the
(30:05):
past by society Trevor Moore.
I just watched an episode ofthe Trevor Moore Show where it's
about offensive jokes and hedoes the whole thing about
offensive jokes and I'll tellyou one of the jokes where it's
like it doesn't punch down onanybody.
It was.
Did you know that animals areonly like three years old at the
(30:30):
max?
So I guess I'm a pervert in twodifferent ways, which was a
great joke.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
Yeah, no, I'm a Trevor Moore fan for sure, and
it's so sad he cut out early.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
Yeah, and that's a great offensive joke.
It doesn't punch down at anyone.
It subverts what you'rethinking in a way that doesn't
hurt a minority.
It's like fucking wild thatthese people their excuses we
are keeping.
We have to be offensive inorder to challenge the
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sensibilities of our time.
It's like the sensibilities ofour time are too racist already.
You're not challenging anything.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
No, it's just yeah.
No, especially if you weretrying to challenge
sensibilities and then you get awhole group of people going.
I agree with what this guy'ssaying.
He's got some good points.
You're not challenging anything.
You're just starting a meetingand things have gone off the
rails.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
A rally, if you will.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
Yeah, you just started a rally, that's all it
was.
So, no, you're not doing thatanymore.
There is no dip joke out thereat this point that hasn't been
told Right.
So it's like come on, you gotto be smarter than that, you got
to come up with something alittle more beyond that.
(31:56):
For sure and that was just oneof my thoughts was I feel like
me sitting here, I can watch it,I can note what the director
was trying to say, I can notethe rights and wrongs about it,
and then I can enjoy it for whatit is, but it's not going to
(32:16):
alter my political views.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
Right, yeah, exactly, and yeah, I think you're
totally right Is that it'spropaganda.
They like to present themselvesas not having an agenda or
anything, but they do have anagenda and it's really fucked up
that they have an agenda andthey're saying they don't.
(32:39):
And I think that's one of the.
I think that kind of lack ofrespect between humans is really
holding us back.
People are so so they obfuscatetheir goals so much for
personal gains.
Still, it's like come on, guys.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
Yeah, and like even watching total recall, like what
kind of just made me sort offeel sorry, kind of skeezy about
it was, you know, when we wentinto these places and the only
dude having a good time is theone guy.
Now I feel, 30 years later, 34years later, we can at least
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start to.
We've started to accept thatlike, hey, it's still fun to be,
you know, wild and reckless and, you know, slutty in this bar,
but as long as everyone is in onit.
You know, not like, we all loveto party, we all love these
things, we love doing thesedirty things, but as long as
we're all consenting.
(33:39):
You know, no one here is beingpaid, no one here is against
their will.
We're all in it together and wejust weren't quite there yet.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
Yeah, and I think that it's important to.
I don't like ArnoldSchwarzenegger's character.
Are you looking at this throughthe lens that you're supposed
to like Arnold Schwarzenegger'scharacter?
Like he's, like he's.
He's a representative of you asthe viewer.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
Well, I mean that's.
I mean just because in thebeginning, when you know they
try and like, do that the wholeconcept of he's monotonous and
he's dreaming of escaping it weall are, and so we start to
immediately relate to him.
But then you got it, but by thetime he was on the screen
grinning like a jackass athimself.
(34:21):
That's when you realize thatyou're looking at a mirror of
this guy and he's not a goodperson.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
Right, yes, he's a.
He's a piece of shit who'sbored with his amazing life,
like he's got a great life andhe's bored by it and it's.
I don't like him as a character.
Every time he makes a decisionin this movie.
I'm like God's guys, such afucking idiot, you know and like
, and I'm like this guy is sucha sleaze ball and who who
(34:50):
doesn't give a shit about anyonebut himself and I think about
that.
That's how I think about him inthe movie.
But I still love the moviebecause I feel like the movie is
like this guy is.
This is this guy's fantasy andthis guy's a dumb.
He's guys, an idiot and a pieceof shit.
Well, I mean, he's fantasy.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
It started with him.
Immediately he went to go pay athousand credits or whatever it
was, to emotionally cheat onSharon Stone Right, and then he
went to a level where he wouldalways have that memory but not
feel responsible for it.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
And he told his.
He told Sharon Stone like youknow, I was thinking about doing
this recall and she was likeI'd really rather you didn't,
like they're going to go insideyour head and stuff, and I we
don't know what that does,because because, as you know
from his coworker, this fuckspeople up sometimes and and he
does it anyway behind her backbecause he feels unfulfilled if
(35:48):
he doesn't have a vacation toMars.
Yeah, and, and so that's whatyou think of the character, if
you, if you visualize thecharacter that way and think
that you're supposed to, insteadof saying like it's an older
movie.
They were idiots in the pastand they didn't realize how
shitty their culture was.
If you go, all right, this is acriticism by Paul Verhoeven on
(36:12):
the shittiness of this culture.
Yeah, I think it reallyelevates the movie.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
Yeah Well, and then I think they could have taken it
one little step further.
Just a nail at home at the end,when he she's like you, better
kiss me.
Before you realize this is adream.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
Have him.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
If they have him, show that it.
Or just to like, have SharonStone come in and this douchebag
is been lobotomized at theplace where she said you
shouldn't go there.
Yeah, you know, and it's likeyou shouldn't have gone there.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
Yeah, they decided to leave.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
They decided to leave it ambiguous.
Yes, I think that was to reach,you know, the audience, who's
not responsible enough for thismovie?
Speaker 1 (36:58):
I think maybe you're right on that case, because
think about his other moviesthat we talked about.
Both Robocop and StarshipTroopers are beloved movies by
the exact people that they'reparodying.
Yeah, so, man, I have to agreewith you that he did not take it
(37:20):
far enough in a responsible way.
He should have.
There should have been aresolution that that had him
suffer, but but you know, ifyou're trying to depict the
reality of an arc like thatrealistically, nothing happens
to him.
He just he's just like allright, good memories.
Wow, this lying to my wife wasgreat and I'm going to do it
(37:42):
again.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
Yeah, Well, because like how long until he does that
Malina or the new agent he'swith you know, because obviously
there's a hole inside you thatyou well even in his, even in
his fantasy.
Speaker 1 (37:57):
Everyone was like listen, you've let all of us
down with your selfishness.
Like that was in his ownfantasy.
Malina fucking told him that.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
And it's like ah, we forgive you.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
Well, end of the.
The 2012 version of TotalRecall.
They tried to correct basicallya lot of what we were talking
about here, and then they weretrying to update it for 2012.
But then they sucked out all ofthe soul that was put in and so
it became the ArnoldSchwarzenegger that was the
(38:36):
Irish guy.
Speaker 1 (38:37):
Colin Farrell.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
Colin Farrell was a much more likable character in
this one, but the movie itselfhad lost a lot of the soul of
the original Total Recall.
From what I understand, it iscloser to the novel, but I never
.
I never read the novel toactually be able to comment on
that.
Speaker 1 (38:56):
You know, and I don't know if the novel would
actually reflect PaulVerhoeven's vision of it being a
satire and stuff, because guesswhat, starship Troopers was not
the satire that Paul Verhoevenmade.
It was like, legitimately, likeI think a fascist government
would be a military, a militarygovernment would be the best
government was what the authorthought, and it would achieve
(39:18):
the goal the best and fastest.
And Paul Verhoeven was like no,I'm this is, I want to, I want
to satirize this by byshowcasing it.
Yeah, and it really can.
You're right that it confusesaudiences.
Speaker 2 (39:33):
No, you have to be able to look at things
critically, and I feel that justhuman beings do not, and so a
lot of our media.
We're not responsible enoughfor it.
Speaker 1 (39:44):
No, no, and it sucks because, like you see, shit like
the look on his face as he getslowered back to the scene is
like you know, like, like theridiculous look.
And some people like, wow,wouldn't that be amazing?
And I'm sitting here thinking,wow, what a horrifying trend
like transition yeah, definitely.
Speaker 2 (40:04):
Well, it's time to move into our final portion of
this.
It's time to get into our whatifs.
We definitely were burning intothat Enlightened thoughts.
Speaker 1 (40:14):
There we got total recall, you dumb bitch.
Speaker 2 (40:21):
That was like that was a wild scene.
That was a wild scene.
Well, so what if you were there?
Speaker 1 (40:36):
Oh man, you know, that scene was so crazy.
It really set the tone for mebecause I felt like that
encapsulated the surreality,right, yeah, yeah.
But I don't know, I feel like Ifeel like when he popped up and
he was like, hey, listen,you're still at recall, you're
suffering in embolism I wouldhave been like, oh shit, oh no,
(41:02):
my wife's here.
Oh no, I feel guilty.
I went behind her back.
You would have had a breakdown.
Yeah, I would have had abreakdown, I would have.
And also, did the matrix stealthe pill thing from total recall
?
Holy shit, did you see thatcoming when he offered him the
red pill?
They like stole that, thematrix, like stole the idea.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
The best ideas, the best things that we have.
We were just talking.
So, after the camera cut on ourDune episode, we were talking
about Star Wars and it was justan updated Dune, you know?
Yeah, that's all it is.
You just got to steal withstyle.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
Yeah, you got to steal what's best and then make
it better.
Speaker 2 (41:42):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (41:44):
Well, during that part I probably would have taken
that pill because I really Iwould have been in touch with
reality, I'd hope.
Speaker 2 (41:54):
Well, that, instead of the sorry good.
Oh well, that makes you such abetter guy, because he just
glosses over the fact he hadeight years implanted or not,
eight years of marriage withthis woman whom he is just able
to face.
Push off of him, and I'm not aguy that he's never met in the
head.
Speaker 1 (42:15):
Sharon Stone Just like, get out of my face, woman.
Speaker 2 (42:23):
Yeah, yeah, and it's just like so.
Definitely there would havebeen a different movie,
inserting you and empathetic,compassionate human being into
the scene who screwed up.
Speaker 1 (42:36):
He married Sharon Stone when she was like 16.
How old do you think she was inthis movie?
Because they were married foreight years she was 30.
Oh, Sharon Stone was supposedto be 30 in that movie.
Was she actually 30?
She was actually 30.
Oh my God.
Speaker 2 (42:55):
I know.
So they married when she was 22.
Speaker 1 (42:59):
Wow, well, that's shocking.
Sharon Stone was a smoke show,yeah.
Yeah, that was nice and sheknew it and they really like
threw it around the film.
How much of a smoke show shewas.
Speaker 2 (43:14):
Yeah, yeah, no yeah, then that would have been my.
What if I?
Speaker 1 (43:22):
No, I'm just gonna stay with my wife.
Speaker 2 (43:26):
Yeah, I don't want to go to Mars, I'm gonna get back
to it.
Speaker 1 (43:35):
This might be a little too personal.
Well, no, never mind.
I was gonna say that you'vetalked about starting a
revolution elsewhere, so I thinkthat maybe you would want to go
to Mars.
Wait, does this mean you'vedone some reflecting on some of
these dreams that you've had inthe past?
Because that would beinteresting.
Well, so no, I have not grown,I have not reflected on shit.
Speaker 2 (43:59):
All right, but what would have realistically
happened?
Though I've been with SharonStone for eight years, right
Kudos to me.
Speaker 1 (44:10):
Yeah, so you would be Arnold Schwarzenegger in this
movie.
Speaker 2 (44:16):
No, I would.
Then you know what?
Sharon Stone doesn't want me togo to Total Recall.
I'm feeling something inside.
I'm going to go back to school,I'm going to get a degree maybe
, and I'm going to get adifferent job and me and Sharon
(44:36):
Stone are going to be happysomewhere else where I can be
happy.
Speaker 1 (44:41):
Oh, I see you want to shake it up first.
Speaker 2 (44:45):
Mm-hmm, yeah, not with the recall.
No, I would not go to therecall.
Speaker 1 (44:51):
What if you had to be in the recall?
What would you do differently?
Speaker 2 (44:55):
Okay.
So if I've already done that,I've recalled.
I mean I definitely think Iwould take a much more Colin
Farrell approach to it and Idefinitely hope that my martial
arts skills would be on the 2012level versus the 1990 level.
Speaker 1 (45:14):
Well, you can do anything of these Like it's your
dream.
Speaker 2 (45:19):
Yeah, Well then I look it would definitely be more
of the Colin Farrell stylething of it.
Plus, I'm there now and I havethe power to inflict my change,
my revolutionary change.
I'm definitely going to inflictit, no doubt.
Speaker 1 (45:39):
Right right.
Speaker 2 (45:41):
But you'll definitely see a much more darker version
of the movie, where I go througha lot of emotional struggle and
emotional trauma, like when mywife of eight years walks in and
is trying to talk me out ofthis.
(46:01):
I understand that she's a spy.
It's going to be a veryemotional scene.
It's not just going to be fuckoff woman and then kill a guy.
No, it's going to be traumatic,it's going to be dark, it's
going to be like if total recallmeets the fucking watchman.
You know it's going to be.
(46:23):
It's going to be hard to watch.
Speaker 1 (46:26):
Yeah, it's going to.
It's going to pull yourheartstrings.
Speaker 2 (46:29):
Yes, yeah, it's going to be trials and tribulations.
Speaker 1 (46:35):
This one did not pull on any heartstrings.
Speaker 2 (46:37):
No.
Speaker 1 (46:38):
I was.
I was actually tired by thetime I watched, by the time this
movie ended, I was.
I was like tired because therewas just so much surreal shit
happening from scene to sceneand I was laughing so much.
Speaker 2 (46:53):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (46:53):
And by the end I was tired.
Yeah, I liked this movie a lot.
Speaker 2 (46:57):
Yeah, yeah, and that would be my main.
What if you throw me in this atthat Sharon Stone scene where
she comes in she's trying totalking out of it.
It's going to be a scene whereyou see a man having to rip out
eight years of love and caring,and so it's going to be a
vicious, fucking brutal scene.
(47:18):
And then when he arrives onMars, you put me in that
position.
There we're going to explore alot more of how this is
disgusting and I need to tear itdown.
It would start to turn intolike a terrorist propaganda film
.
Speaker 1 (47:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (47:33):
You know it would be a long ride.
Speaker 1 (47:35):
He was a terrorist leader.
Speaker 2 (47:37):
Yeah, yeah, and I think my film, my what if would
like try and make you, theviewer, a terrorist.
Speaker 1 (47:46):
Perfect yeah.
Speaker 2 (47:49):
It would be.
There'd be a lot to digest inthat one.
It wouldn't be.
Speaker 1 (47:54):
And then at the end you wake up and you're like, ah
yeah, finally I've led arevolution, Now I can just relax
with Sharon Stone.
Speaker 2 (48:04):
I would go home and I would apologize.
Speaker 1 (48:08):
I feel fulfilled now, though, sweetheart, like I feel
totally fulfilled.
This is all I've wanted waslead one revolution and crushed
my enemies and free my peers,and I need to go see a therapist
.
Speaker 2 (48:21):
This shit happened in there and I feel like my
heart's been ripped apart, soexcuse me.
Speaker 1 (48:27):
I'm so happy to see you.
I'm so glad you're alive.
Speaker 2 (48:31):
Yeah, and then she's going to be like, hey, you
probably should have gone to atherapist first instead of total
recall.
Speaker 1 (48:38):
But this seemed easier and like more fun.
I'm so sorry, man, it seems somuch easier.
Speaker 2 (48:47):
Yeah, so I would have to.
Yeah, so my what if?
Would be a lot of time spentapologizing to Sharon Stone.
Speaker 1 (48:58):
Perfect.
Speaker 2 (49:00):
Well, did you have any final what ifs that you
wanted to add before we closethis bad way out?
Speaker 1 (49:05):
Let's see what ifs.
No, I don't think I have anywhat ifs, but I do want to point
out Sharon, my wife, she didsay during one of the scenes
they actually pick up the gunsthat the other people drop right
away, which is more than youcan say for most action movies.
Speaker 2 (49:21):
Yeah, that is true, they grabbed the guns.
Speaker 1 (49:23):
They grabbed the guns off the people.
They knocked out immediatelyand I was like, yes, this is
truly the smartest action moviecharacters ever.
Speaker 2 (49:33):
Oh yeah, no, from someone who's been in a class
like that, I can't tell you howmuch a professional would have
it just ingrained in their heads, like it would be second nature
, like breathing, to separate acorpse from the weapon that it
held a minute ago.
Speaker 1 (49:53):
Yeah, it should be instinct.
Speaker 2 (49:58):
Mm, hmm, yeah, oh yeah, so it was separated from
bodies immediately.
Speaker 1 (50:03):
Yeah, I would say.
I would also say get your assto Mars.
I would also.
The old lady who yelled fuckyou at him after she stole his
briefcase was very funny.
She's so confused, fuck you.
Speaker 2 (50:28):
That was bizarre.
Speaker 1 (50:30):
That was so hilarious that was a trip the scene where
, on the escalator, where heuses the guy as a human shield
and he's like a hand burger bythe time he drops it.
Speaker 2 (50:47):
Well, I like that he's hamburger.
But the stuntman you think theyentered that when he gets
thrown, they started the shottoo soon and you see the
stuntman kick off.
Yeah, propelling himself.
Speaker 1 (51:05):
It's so fucking funny .
Oh my god, I love how funnythis movie is and I totally
believe it's intentional.
Speaker 2 (51:14):
Yeah, we have to.
Speaker 1 (51:17):
Yeah, all the exaggerated body of the throws
get throwing people.
That is great.
Let's see what else do I have?
Great Wait, a creepy little guy, what was his name?
Speaker 2 (51:39):
A Quata Quata.
Yeah, quata, yeah, he's alwaysgreat.
He's always fantastic Well.
Speaker 1 (51:47):
Great.
Speaker 2 (51:52):
Well, there you go, folks.
We've just listened to theevolution of Siskel and Ebert as
we start tackling these films.
This is what it's going to be.
This is the new movie reviews.
So thank you all so much forlistening.
We just tackled total recall.
We're high and dry.
Follow us, do all those things,appreciate you Bye.
Speaker 1 (52:16):
You stupid bitch.
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