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We dive into Zach Cregger's latest horror film "Weapons," a twisted tale about a small town where multiple children mysteriously disappear simultaneously, leaving only one student behind.

• Josh Brolin delivers a standout performance as a desperate father searching for answers
• The film brilliantly uses multiple character perspectives to gradually reveal its supernatural mystery
• A witch has infiltrated the town, using mind control and manipulation to pursue her sinister agenda
• Every character harbors personal flaws and addictions that blind them to the danger until it's too late
• The cinematography creates persistent tension through innovative camera work and thoughtful framing
• Benedict Wong's character represents one of the few moral anchors in a town descending into chaos
• Scenes like the hair-cutting sequence create profound unease without relying on traditional jump scares
• The 217 reference and AK-47 dream sequence sparked intense debate about their symbolic meaning
• Each character story reveals another puzzle piece, culminating in the final revelation through Alex's eyes
• The film earns its 4/5 rating through strong performances, atmospheric direction, and genuine scares

If you enjoyed our review of "Weapons," be sure to check it out in theaters while you can for the full experience. This is one horror film that deserves to be seen on the big screen!

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Actually good show.

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Well, for those of you guysjoining us for the first time,
we're not actually talking aboutreview.
We are going to be doing somereviews.
Now I kind of want to.
We're actually going to bereviewing the film Weapons a new
one that just came out and sawthat bad boy in theaters this
weekend.
It was a ride.
And we're going to do it in athree-part method.

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First, we're going to give youthe definitive ranking out of
five stars on this piece ofcinema, and then we're going to
dive into some of the higherconcepts.
We're jumping on the goldenpath to discuss what we may have
missed, and then, finally,we're going to insert ourselves

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drugs or alcohol into the movie.
And what makes it so special,so fun, just so magical, is that
we're going to be doing itdrunk and high.
So if you're driving to workthis Monday morning, go ahead,
pull over.
It's time for some shots.
Fellas, what are you guyssmoking this week?

Speaker 1 (02:25):
Our listeners have it right up in the console that
you put your sunglasses in, sothey can just tap that and go
straight to the drink, whilethey don't have to pull over at
all.

Speaker 2 (02:37):
As you do, yeah.
So what are you guys smokingthis week?

Speaker 1 (02:43):
I've got a watermelon OG Ooh, nice.
So, uh, what do you?
What are you guys smoking thisweek?
I've got a watermelon og ohnice very citrusy.
It tastes very fruity, too,pretty solid that's good yeah, I
like watermelon.
Uh, I have uh greasy runts,which I think is applicable
because of all the kids in thebasement them greasy little runs

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Yeah, by the time the movieends there's some greasy runs.
Okay, all right, You're tryingreally hard to find applicable
strains.

Speaker 2 (03:20):
It's costing him so much money.

Speaker 1 (03:23):
These are all strains that I've just had, that I like
I stocked up.
I'd get like an eighth of abunch of different strains and
I'm trying my hardest to makethem fit and you just I think
greasy rots works perfect.

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You pulled it up.
Thank you all.
Right.
Well, I'll be joining you guyswith something I found for $16.
Yeah, it's called Rebel.
It's 50 horsepower, 100 proof,kentucky straight bourbon
whiskey.

Speaker 1 (03:52):
Liquor is known to be the better.
The cheaper it is, the betterit is.
That's like a known fact aboutliquor.

Speaker 2 (03:58):
Is that true?
We're going to find out.
No, it has an arbitrary 1849printed on it.

Speaker 1 (04:07):
Okay, it doesn't say that it was established 1849,
it's just like just originalrecipe since 1849 okay yeah,
this is the first I'm hearing ofit, so this is rebel.
They rebel against health code,the health uh the official
whiskey of rebel moon.

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It's the official.
It's official whiskey of thecivil war.
The South.

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South civil war.
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I just realized hold on.

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No, we're going straight out the bottle.
On this one, it's right behindme.
Wait, let me make sure.
Just take your headphones off.
I got to see where I'm runningtowards here.
Oh, there we go.

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I like that game plan .
Before the task I have to lookover my shoulder.

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Alright, okay, we're good to go.
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Alright, you always gotta keepa high-end shot glass nearby.

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The first Jesus.

Speaker 2 (05:23):
First one goes out to our movie here Weapons, weapons
, cheers, oh God.

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It's the taste of Confederacy.
What the shit.

Speaker 2 (05:42):
What in the hell it?

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tastes just like it's movie.

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Handcrafted according to theoriginal time-honored weeded
recipe since 1849 and bottled at100 proof for rich, full flavor
do you believe like?
Yeah, do you?
I guess I'll pull up with oursecond one here.
This one goes out to, in myopinion, the most powerful

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weapon in weapons Josh Brolin'sboot.
Yeah, pretty good boot.
I enjoyed that particularly, sohere's to that.
Cheers, cheers.
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It just tastes bad holy crap, it tastes like a gray
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toast, final shot, final hit.

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I'm ready to.

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shit I don't understand.
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You told us we couldn't do it.

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Now you do it.

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Well, here's to them, here's to the anti-fascism
Cheers.

Speaker 1 (07:58):
Ding-a-ling Cheers.

Speaker 2 (08:00):
Actually, when you look it up, ding-a-ling is the
bastion of fascism within thelast bastion of anti-fascism.
It's a county law that you haveto wear great grandpa's uh
uniform full law.

Speaker 1 (08:21):
You know, I'm sure I'm sure a lot of people are
their grandpas are dying aroundthis time and they're finding
old nazi shit.
It's happening in the us thatpeople are dying around this
time and they're finding nazishit in people's gear and you're
just like, oh damn, grandpa,you really fucking.
You were that guy, weren't you?

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part of the american bund jesus christ, you're really
in it I just thought you wereof the time races not not full
into it jesus christ, oh,grandpa, grandpa but anyway so
it's now time to start this lastBastion podcast of movie

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reviews that aren't shit likeour friends over at Fandango.

Speaker 1 (09:12):
Let's rate this fucking movie.

Speaker 2 (09:14):
So what do we feel about this movie?
Who wants to kick this thingoff?

Speaker 1 (09:18):
I don't care.
I can kick it off.
I'm probably the least weusually throw to you first.
Luke, you like that, would youprefer I, I don't mind.
This is probably one of myleast watched genres, so I
usually like to hear what youguys have to say, but sure I can
go first then.
Yeah, let's hear it.
Yeah, okay, so for those people, something we haven't done in

(09:40):
the past is give a quick summaryof the movie.
I think we should do that.
That might help, I think.
So let's give.
Let's give a quick summary.
So in the movie it's, it's astory about a small town where a
bunch of kids go missing all atthe same time and they all just
seem to like run out the front,their front door of their own
will at the same time.

(10:00):
Obviously we're immediatelythought like this is some kind
of mesmerism, or you knowthey're, they didn't just plan
this.
But nobody knows, nobody knows,uh, and they start to blame.
There's like an obvious suspectwhich is the teacher.
The teacher, because it was allkids from her class and only
one kid stayed behind named alex.
Who's luke, who luke namedhimself after this week in our

(10:23):
chat.
I, I was gonna do james, but Ithought it'd be too confusing to
james today, but that wouldhave been great.
I would have loved that,because james is my standout
character.
Yeah, james was excellent.
Uh, the rest of the moviedoesn't matter.
All you have to know is thatthere's this drug addict named
james and he is fucking awesomeand he got done dirty.
He got done dirty, he justwanted to do more meth, that was

(10:45):
all he was looking to do.

Speaker 2 (10:47):
All he wanted was drugs so, uh.

Speaker 1 (10:52):
So throughout the movie you see the conflict
between these characters.
Everyone thinks the the teacherdid it and so the town's kind
of turned against her andeveryone seems kind of like
threatening.
Everyone's like like where's mykid?
The police don't have anyanswers and the movie progresses
like that and we get to a scenewhere the way the movie is
presented is in pastiche, isfollowing characters, so it's

(11:16):
split up into character storiesand you see parts and they jump
back in story After we get to apoint with the teacher.
Uh, we jump back to, uh, uh,brolin's character and it's like
in the past around the time andit always starts with the kids
disappearing and like what wasthis person's story from the
time?
The kids disappeared, exceptfor alex at the end.

(11:37):
But that's how the movie'spresented is these intertwining
stories where you get moreinformation every time you see
someone's story and they overlapall the way to the end where we
see Alex, the one kid left inthe class who didn't disappear
and he's seen everything happenthe whole time.
It turns out there is a witch.

(12:00):
It's kind of telegraphed earlyin the movie when they write
witch on her car.
We never actually learn who didthat and I have a little
suspect that it was the witchwho know it's kind of
telegraphed early in the moviewhen they write witch on her car
.
We never actually learned whodid that and my, I have a little
suspect that it was the witchwho did it to kind of be like,
you know, make it like sillythat people calling her I think
it was a hundred percentroslyn's character because he
had the red paint in the oh yeah, that makes sense the bed of

(12:20):
his truck.
That was my thought.
That's what made me think itwas him.
That's a great point.
The witch seems to be reallysmart about, uh, deflecting
attention from herself and stuff.
But anyway, this witch showedup to alex's house like a long
lost relative and ends upenchanting his family in a
really gruesome way and thenthreatening him because she

(12:44):
wants to keep suspicion off ofher is what I assume.
It never goes over and for somereason she leaves alex
unenchanted and so she's likedon't tell anybody about me.
And so, from his house, thiswitch has been taking over the
town.
She cast a spell on adults.
She cast she, she took all thekids.
She asked alex to do her dirtywork, to go get, uh, to get

(13:07):
pieces, personal items of thechildren so she could enchant
them.
And so the whole impetus isthis witch took over a town.
It takes a long time to getthere, you know, you're.
One thing I liked about thismovie is that there were a lot
of questions in the beginning.
They, they telegraph witch byby having it painted on the car,
and I had that immediatethought like definitely she

(13:28):
might be a witch, was my firstlike oh, okay, that'd be cool if
they were misleading us, it'dbe cool if she's a witch or
there might be another witch.
But I also had thoughts of likealiens, you know could be.
I thought, you know, when wesaw aliens actually were a big
thought of mine.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, startedgetting into the movie yeah,
yeah, aliens, or hypnosis.

(13:48):
I thought about you know, or uh.
There were just a lot of thingsgoing on in my head Like what
could it be?
Did anybody did anybody likethink which seriously like?
Like throughout the whole story, or was it kind of still a?

Speaker 2 (14:10):
surprise to you.
It was still kind of a surpriseto me that that so she was a
witch.
I'm a fan of zach krieger, notbecause of barbarian.
I thought that that was afumble, but really I liked it.
Whitest kids, you know, oh sure, yeah, yeah.
So I had assumed it was goingto be like abraham lincoln being
a dick in a theater or someonewith a gallon of PCP, anything
around that.
I thought it was just going tobe a whole callback, a business
sniper from across the street, abusiness sniper.

(14:35):
Yeah, and the fact that thewhole thing wasn't an homage to
the late Trevor Noah I felt wasjust inappropriate, honestly.

Speaker 1 (14:41):
Yeah, I'm sure when you tell him he's not honoring
his dead friend, enough he'll.
He'll take you seriously.

Speaker 2 (14:49):
Let's be real, all right.

Speaker 1 (14:51):
One person in that group had the talent, and it
wasn't Zach Rieger but, uh, likethis movie, oh my gosh.

Speaker 2 (14:57):
No, I did.
Oh, you mean like acting talent.

Speaker 1 (14:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (15:00):
Hmm, no, I mean, if Trevor Noah directed this, it
would be a totally differentfilm and I'd be excited to see
what he came up with.

Speaker 1 (15:10):
It would definitely be drugs.
He liked aliens too.

Speaker 2 (15:16):
I mean, he was out there, well, but I wasn't sure
and I purposely went into thisone trying not to.
I definitely was not expectingthe different story arcs thing.
I was not expecting to followit that way.
That kind of came out ofnowhere.
Did you like it?
Oh, I guess we could get tothat.
Yeah, yeah, and Justin Longshowing up definitely brings the

(15:40):
rating down for me.
Did you say it brought it down?
Why?
Yeah, because, as a society, wecollectively said no thank you,
justin Long.
No, thank you.

Speaker 1 (15:49):
I like Justin Long.

Speaker 2 (15:50):
He's trying to sneak through.
I'm not a member of yoursociety as a society we
collectively put our hand on hischest and said no, I'm a huge
fan of Accepted.

Speaker 1 (16:06):
I haven't seen Accepted in a long time.

Speaker 2 (16:08):
Oh, it's a stupid movie.

Speaker 1 (16:10):
Oh my god.
So it doesn't Got it.

Speaker 2 (16:13):
Yeah, but nostalgia.
And then there's also Walrus,of course I haven't seen Walrus.
Was it good?
It was just body horror.

Speaker 1 (16:22):
Oh well, that doesn't really do it for me.
Yeah, I, I mean, if you want tosee justin long as a walrus
then yeah, kind of I guess Icould just look up a clip of the
.
I don't have to watch the wholemovie wouldn't recommend it.

Speaker 2 (16:33):
It was like uh, what was it?
It was kevin smith, right yeah,yeah, yeah yeah, he said like
what if we did like a fuckinghuman centipede?

Speaker 1 (16:43):
but we turned justin long into a walrus justin walrus
, sexy and just a walrus, sexy,I'm not getting anything, but oh
dope, yeah, leave the sexy out.
That's a pretty, that's prettycrazy yeah it's intense oh my

(17:05):
god yeah, literally turn jesuschrist.

Speaker 2 (17:10):
Yeah, that was the movie okay yeah, I didn't.
I think that's when wecollectively said, okay, no more
bad, you're not taking thisseriously more and and yeah,
yeah, yeah.
So yeah, we're very opinionated.

(17:32):
But so, james, yeah, how didyou feel about the film?

Speaker 1 (17:36):
Okay.
So I thought that the actingwas very good.
I don't Nobody's acting pulledme out of it.
You know, I I thought that thewitch wasn't a very good actress
at first, but she's just uh notgood at being human.
You know, that's what it is.

(17:57):
Is it kind of rolled up where Iwas like, okay, she's just
really bad at appearing to behuman when she doesn't have
strict control.
She doesn't know how to usecharisma.
I think she says somethingabout charisma also, but she
doesn't have the charisma to tointeract with humans.
As a human, she's just used tojust getting her way with force,
the force of her magic, uh.

(18:19):
So they did a really good jobof her just not actually being
good being a person, and Ithought I thought the child
acting was good.
I thought alex was good at it.
I thought his facialexpressions like they managed to
elicit facial expressions fromhim during the scenes when he
was like when he knew he wasdoing something wrong to his
fellow schoolmates, but justknowing he had to do it to

(18:41):
survive and to protect hisparents he really gave that to
me too.
I was like wow, I'm feeling hisemotion in this thing, as a
child.

Speaker 2 (18:47):
That's pretty well.
Zach krieger would strike himright before calling action um,
and I think that really workedyeah, I think he got.

Speaker 1 (18:59):
He managed to get an excellent performance out of the
kid.
He elicited, like you know,guilt and fear and but
determination.
I saw all those things in a kidactor and that's crazy.
Um, yeah, I'm gonna give thisacting 4.5.
I thought it was real good,impressive and, thinking about

(19:21):
it more and more, I thinkeverybody played there.
Everybody got their script youknow they got.
They were all on the same page.
They got even this even terry,who was uh, was uh benedict
walling's husband.
Yeah, yeah, he even was likesuch a small character but was
like impactful in his role, likewhich which I thought was it

(19:42):
was I loved him just trying tohold shit together while in the
middle, while simultaneouslybeing in a super healthy,
supportive relationship, and Ialso like that he was too kind
in the end, and that's whatfucked them over like benedict.
Wong was like no boundaries,you're not allowed in my home.
And he's like no, no, no, youguys, you come on yeah dude, I
love, I love the little hot dogtray.

Speaker 2 (20:03):
I was like, looking at that, I'm like, oh, I love
that yeah, I love that for him.

Speaker 1 (20:09):
Yeah, they were just sitting down to spend spend a
night in together.
You could tell they were in areally loving relationship and
that's, and I thought the actingwas all really good yeah,
there's no one.
No one was no one.
Seemed like they didn't want tobe there or weren't trying
their hardest to be there, youknow do you recall where we
first encountered?

Speaker 2 (20:28):
well, at least where I first encountered.
It might be similar to you.

Speaker 1 (20:31):
It crowd where we yeah, yeah and nick long was
offering the teapot in.

Speaker 2 (20:38):
Yes, a random episode of I grabbed some ha, ha, he
has spirit this one, someunfamiliar british fucking
comedy show.
That was where I firstencountered him and I I like
that he's popping up.

Speaker 1 (20:51):
I like him a lot when I saw him dr strange, I was
like fuck yeah.
And then he just got.
He just blew up after that anduh he's a great actor, love.
So, yeah, 4.5.
On the acting cinematography Ithought this was really well
shot.
I thought they communicated alot of things with the camera,
like where characters werelooking and you know what.

(21:14):
What.
What we were supposed to payattention to almost like murder
mystery would, like theyunderstood it was mystery.
Cam literally said the wholefirst half was just like a, like
a small town murder mysterymovie.
That's what she said, like to at.
That's so funny.
You said that, yeah, I mean.
Well, that's the thing is, theyconveyed it so well using the
camera that it's so perceptibleto us well, I remember one shot

(21:37):
she looks at the blinds and likeshe looks, and it's like
panning and it's creatingtension because you don't, you
can't see what's coming into thenext shot, but you know she's
gonna look up and down thestreet and like it was creating
tension with the camera.
Uh, yeah, nothing and nothingwould happen in those scenes,
but I still just felt uneasy.
Yeah, and it was like thecamera conveyed the witch hunt.

(21:58):
Right, there was a witch huntgoing on.
At first you're like, clearlythis woman is innocent, right,
and he literally painted witchon her car and she's got to look
over her shoulder all the time.
And then you realize, oh,everybody needs to start looking
over their shoulder as youfollow different characters and
you're like, oh shit, james isnot looking over his shoulder at

(22:19):
all.
Holy shit, james is being likehe's.
He's being like a really drugaddict.
He's like willing to overlookanything and everything.

Speaker 2 (22:32):
Like when he was sitting there in the fucking
living room.

Speaker 1 (22:36):
When those people were sitting there in the living
room I was like, oh my god,what's gonna happen?

Speaker 2 (22:41):
And he just fucking kept stealing.

Speaker 1 (22:48):
That's wild.
He turned his back on them.
As soon as he turned his backon him, like that, my theater
burst out laughing.
And someone who's a tweakerthough I bet you like, that's
not that, he's like yeah,they're probably just fucking
tripping balls, whatever.
I need to keep going.
They don't know I'm here coollike you know what I mean, yeah,
and the clearly coercedmovements of everybody, like in
the way they framed it, likewith them in the background and

(23:11):
blurry and stuff.
It really.
It really gave us this sense ofunease and my audience I don't
know how active your audienceswere, but mine was very active
and you'd hear them oh, you knowand and and the.
The cinematography was reallygood about that.
I'm going to give this a 4.5also.

(23:32):
I also really love this.
I really love the scene wherethe child was chasing her
through the house and wefollowed the kid whatever kid
actor was doing.
That stunt choreography was sofucking good.
Like what good stuntchoreography from a child?
Yeah, fucking wild.
Also, the gas station shot whenhe was chasing.

Speaker 2 (23:52):
I found very it was like like you're in a chase.

Speaker 1 (23:56):
Yeah, yeah, I really enjoyed that and I found out
later that uh cam told me thatit was they shot it, the guy
cameraman was on rollerblades tocome around the corner and to
be able to get that.

Speaker 2 (24:13):
That's impressive, yeah, yeah, so I was.
I'm gonna give thecinematography five.

Speaker 1 (24:16):
I like that he did it on fucking, he did his sonic
drive-in style that's fuckingawesome.
The cinematography was reallygood on this.
It really was, i't know.
He had a tray of fries in hishand while he did it.
Yeah, impressive, yeah, evenjust there was a shot like I
know we can talk about, butthere was a shot when she was
coming out of the gas station.
I saw the truck in thebackground and it was like very
clear that they wanted you tosee it.

(24:40):
I'm like there's a truck it likeimmediately started connecting.
It's very early on and I waslike that was on purpose.
They meant to do that.
Yeah, that was something theydid.
Well, yeah.

Speaker 2 (24:48):
Cinematography, I thought was really good too.

Speaker 1 (24:50):
They wanted you to know stuff.
I think I'm going to see thismovie again, cause there's stuff
they wanted you to know.

Speaker 2 (25:03):
And I'm pretty sure she's opening the refrigerator.
There's an advertisement thatsays this whole thing is
perpetrated by a witch who livesat the end of the street, alex.

Speaker 1 (25:17):
But I liked.
I also liked the way they didthe dreams, like everybody was
having bad dreams because thesupernatural entity was there.
I love that.
But score and soundtrack here'sthe the problem.
I don't remember it.
I I don't know if I at the timeit was good, but I don't
remember it.
Horror movies in general, Ifeel like never have a good or
bad soundtrack, because it'slike a soundtrack, like it's

(25:40):
meant to set just a tone of ear,yes, to write in.
Almost all of them do that.
What about 28 years later?

Speaker 2 (25:49):
That's one time where it was very memorable the
exorcist.
It's possible.
It's possible to do thosethings.

Speaker 1 (25:58):
I guess Jaws is one where it's very memorable, very
memorable.

Speaker 2 (26:03):
The original Jurassic Park.
It's definitely possible andyeah with it like they didn't
make, yeah, um for sure.
So yeah, it's possible, it'spossible.
They just choose not to and Ithink that comes down to just,
you know, trevor nolan not beingon the team.

Speaker 1 (26:20):
He was the musical talent, yeah, uh, cherno's
musical talent.
So for score and soundtrack Idon't think it's tracked
anything, but I'm having troubleremembering it.
I think I remember there weresome things reminiscent of which
you know, the like swellingshrill, you know modulating
violins.
That I felt happened at leastonce or twice, but I don't know

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it wasn't enough for to make itmemorable.
So three, but you know,actually they use silence really
well, I don't know if that'spart of it using silence well in
a movie in a horror moviespecifically.
Yeah, they use like pure silencebecause a lot of times you'll
have like you don't wanteverything to be completely
silent because things are toostill.
But they did like pure silenceto the point where I could hear

(27:04):
people shuffling next to me,sometimes uncomfortably, which I
thought was very interestingfor this movie.
But still, three story and plotI thought it was really good.
I liked seeing a witch in thespotlight.
You know what if a witch tookover a small town?
That's like a children's moviepremise and you do it all goofy.

(27:25):
You know like it'd be astorybook witch, you know like a
disney witch or something likea halloween, halloween town or
some shit like that, but theylike took it pretty seriously
and the first, the first half ispresented like very seriously
and then when the supernaturalstarts to enter, then it starts
then like it's like the boundsof reality start to shift and

(27:48):
the tone of the movie shifts andpeople's behavior starts to
shift and it's less like seriousand motivated and more like off
the like just just, life iswacky.
You know, life is wild and wedon't have any control over it,
you go.
So it goes from reallymotivated and linear and
streamlined to being like what'sgoing to happen next?

(28:08):
Drug addict's going to bust inand see literally everything.
And the only reason he isn'table to go to the authorities to
tell him is because he just hadto fucking be breaking in the
day before he could talk aboutthis stuff.
You don't have AIDS, do you?
No, it was a good scene.

(28:32):
It was.
It wasn't, and I also love that.
That wasn't really what heneeded to be worrying about
those characters and all theseworries.
And then you realize thatpeople should be worried about
something else.

Speaker 2 (28:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (28:44):
And so their worries seem comical james's worries
about being arrested or notgetting the money, or whatever
all of it seems comical.

Speaker 2 (28:54):
Well, I well.
I feel like there's somethingto be said on the golden path
for that, in terms of how thesecharacters were concerned with
those things and how just we ingeneral miss fucking shit, you
know, because we're wrapped upin our own bullshit yeah, great
point.

Speaker 1 (29:08):
I would have liked to have seen more more witch plot
though.
Uh, we got quite a bit, but Iwould have liked to have seen
more witch plot, though.
We got quite a bit, but I wouldhave liked to have seen more,
actually, more fun and gamesaround being a witch.

Speaker 2 (29:20):
I would like to know where the fuck she came from,
where she was going?
How old is she to plan?

Speaker 1 (29:35):
her, her mom's aunt or something like that or or
someone whoever's aunt, and it'sclear she's been in this family
for a long time, so she's donethis to their family, probably
instead of being part of them.
She's done, she did the samething, where she became a
parasite on the family and usedthem like servants, like, like,
like a, like a vampire wouldhave a butler family that takes
care of them or whatever I meanthey even have the dad just

(29:56):
opening the door for the kidjust come home.
Yeah, like like a creepy butler,oh yeah, yeah, like a slave,
like a butler slave, mind slavefamily yeah um, uh, I thought
the story plot was pretty good.
I'm'm going to give it a four.
I would like to see more funand games, though.
Uh, rewatch ability.

(30:17):
I'm definitely going to rewatchthis.
I I this movie left a lot ofclues and I I bet that I missed
some of them.
I probably miss, and I want togo back and look, and that's.
That's a great thing for amovie to do is be like, wow, I
like this movie.
I want to go back and do itagain and see what else I can
get, because it was well written.

Speaker 2 (30:40):
I'm going to give rewatchability a four.

Speaker 1 (30:42):
That's a solid spread that is a solid spread.
Yeah, I really like this movie.

Speaker 2 (30:46):
Fucking hell.
All right, luke, do you want togo next?
You want me to take the heelsAll right.

Speaker 1 (30:52):
So yeah, as somebody that was kind of scared to go
see this movie not going to lie,yeah, it looked fucking scary
during the previews.

Speaker 2 (30:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (31:00):
And I was definitely nervous for this one, but
overall I really enjoyed it.
I thought that it was a reallygood movie.
I am just one of my biggestthings.

Speaker 2 (31:12):
I don't like jump scares that much.
I'm not a fan of that feeling.
Yeah, and I don't have somegood ones.

Speaker 1 (31:16):
This one had some good ones, but I don't feel like
it was the whole premise of themovie, while it did have those
moments and it was because itwas building tension.
Well, that's when a jumpscareworks best, right, when tension
is built up.
But yeah, with that being said,I was going in with kind of
like a I don't even really wantto see this and I came out like,
oh, that was actually a goodmovie, like it was just a good
movie that I enjoyed.

(31:37):
So the acting you were spot onand I felt the exact same way,
even.
The only other thing I want tonote is when that woman hits
Wong with her car.
Her screaming and just distressfelt so, so authentic.
I don't know like it really wasso good and that's just such a
again small part where I'm like,wow, every single character

(32:00):
brought it to the table, um onit.
So I gave it a 4.5 as well.
Yeah, nice, the cinematographyI I actually have as a 4.5, but
I I agree, after talking, justlike the way, the innovativeness
, the shots, the way they toldthe story with the camera, I
think it really does deserve a 5.
That was a huge like it was astandout for me already and I

(32:21):
think give it what it deserves.
So I gave that a 5 as well.
Wow, score and soundtrack.
I also kind of agreed.
It didn't pull me out.
The only thing is I thought wasan interesting choice was the
shot when all the kids wererunning.
They played like some sort.
I can't even remember what thesong was, but it was just like

(32:44):
this.
It didn't almost fit the toneand it was very interesting to
me like that choice.
But I ended up giving the scoresoundtrack a 3.5.
Yeah, I don't remember whatthat song was, but I agree with
you.
Yeah, it's like we were fuckingenchanted and yeah, yeah, and I
was just like.
I was like I don't know why andI feel like it was like this,

(33:05):
like it was a tool to make, likelet our guard down for a moment
and like I feel like it I.
It got very serious right afterthat, so that is a little
interesting.
So I gave it a 3.5.
The uh story I thought it wasreally good.
I like the detective part, um,in the beginning of the movie.
I feel like they let everycharacter have a little bit of

(33:27):
depth and understanding eachlittle part of the story.
I really enjoyed um and Ithought that I liked the end
being alex and just like itpiecing all puzzles together.
I.
I think it is difficult to dothe multiple storyline where it
comes to a focal point and a lotof ones where it'll be one
point that they all come to, andthis one kind of kind of did

(33:49):
that, but it was like each ofthem came to like different
parts of each other's stuff andI liked it I loved it.
I thought it was so fun to watch.
So, um, I gave the story a 4.5and then I hated.
This does go down for me and Iknow that it's not fair.
I'm just not a scare, I'm notgonna.
I might watch this again, so itgets a higher rating than
normal, but I don't know if Iwill.

(34:11):
It was, it was scary, it waslike it was.
It was a freaky movie, normal,but I don't know if I will.
It was scary, it was a freakymovie.
But I will say out of a theaterat home I think it would be
less impactful with the soundsand stuff.
So maybe I went.
I gave it a 2.5 forrewatchability.
I think that's a reallyimportant message out there for
everyone to remember is thateven though a movie can be not a
genre you like, necessarily,it's easy to recognize when a

(34:35):
movie is good.
It's easy to recognize whenthey do it right and it can
still be enjoyable.
I'm telling you, I'm the personwho just doesn't like to be
scared like that and I reallyenjoyed the movies too, and I
love a horror movie that doesthat.
Silence of the Lambs wasprobably one of the earliest
movies that I saw where I waslike like, I was like no, this

(34:56):
is just a good movie, and likeit was considered to me and it
didn't really scare me and Iyeah, anytime I uh am going to a
new movie.
I'm like you, like silence ofthe lambs, you're probably gonna
be fine with this one, it'sokay that's the thing, good
movies, man.
It is write things well and youset things up and pay them off
like just even just the wholeside stories like she's cheating

(35:19):
on, like she ended up breakinghis sobriety and he cheated on
this girl.
Like he made it seem like theywere off and on again, like that
was so side.
But it also had depth to itbecause of the multiple points
of view it like allowed.
Like you want to know more yesyeah, really good, really good
storytelling, really really goodstorytelling yeah well, for me,

(35:42):
I uh, I'm, I'm, yeah, well, Ithink.

Speaker 2 (35:45):
Really, what sets us apart from fandango, you know
just, is the understanding thata good film is good film,
regardless of genre.
And we don't, you know, kowtowto our corporate overlords and
whatnot.
We're not just a scalper ofmovie tickets.
So you know, we understand alittle better, but do buy your
movie tickets through us.

Speaker 1 (36:03):
I try movie tickets hmm, there's an idea so anyway,
yeah.

Speaker 2 (36:12):
So for me.
So acting on this, yeah, solidacross the board.
You know everyone had anassignment and they fucking
understood it.
That's right, I'm glad theybeat the shit out of that kid to
get those realistic emotions,like he's leaving this scenario

(36:34):
with ptsd and you know theyreally made sure that he left
his filming with ptsd so goodfor them yeah he can.

Speaker 1 (36:42):
The next round is the remake of stranger things.

Speaker 2 (36:45):
Oh yeah, no, they got a place for him well then, uh,
I mean, yeah, drash brolin showup, and so apparently drash
brolin had taken the role whenPedro Pascal turned it down
because of timing issues withFantastic Four.

Speaker 1 (36:58):
Oh, wow OK.

Speaker 2 (36:59):
I think Brolin was a way better choice.

Speaker 1 (37:01):
Oh yeah, For sure.
Yeah, Like oh no, I think JoshBrolin fit that character so
well.
I'm really happy with thatchoice.

Speaker 2 (37:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (37:11):
If you put Pedro Pascal in, that it goes down for
me, I think, and I like PedroPascal, I do too, but he's also
becoming.

Speaker 2 (37:18):
He no longer is the character he's now.

Speaker 1 (37:21):
Pedro Pascal knows math and is stretchy, or Pedro
Pascal wields a spear and isbisexual, or Pedro Pascal is
yeah, he's not Pedro Pascal, whogets angry and frustrated and
releases that anger on yeah,yeah, anyone who he feels might

(37:41):
be the target yeah, and JoshBrolin in his older age.

Speaker 2 (37:47):
He's like, uh, uh, a Tommy Lee Jones type, you know,
oh yeah, he's, yeah for sure,like fake tractor man, which
worked really well for angryfather in the midwest whose
child was taken by a witch.
Yeah and no and so, but justacross the board I thought the
acting was great.
Even the witch, um brought it.

Speaker 1 (38:10):
She sure did, yeah, and so let's see, uh, amy, like
talking to people, like he said,like, just like she was
unsettling every time and I feltlike that was also like her,
like not being able to almost behuman, like was unsettling and
she did it did it well the onlycommentary I'd have in any terms
.

Speaker 2 (38:29):
That was she obviously surviving by being
able to manipulate andunderstanding suspicion.
She always knew like, oh fuck,tomorrow we're going to be
talking to the fbi, guarantee it, just watch this.
But then she thinks that thatwig and that makeup setup is
gonna, you know, push suspicionoff.

Speaker 1 (38:51):
Well, remember I don't know you remember why she
was, why they were supposed totake her in?
It's because there was no oneleft to take care of her,
because she had totally draineda whole family over who knows
how long.

Speaker 2 (39:10):
So she's been like isolated with servants for who
knows how long it's kind of likelike a vampire waking up this
may just came down to a naturalprogression of, like this is
what your evil ways get you.
I mean, it's just gonna happen.
Well, but uh, acting.
Yeah, there's no one in there,I feel, who didn't bring it and

(39:34):
hey, hats off to uh fucking thecop alan alden.

Speaker 1 (39:40):
Iron reich, yeah, aaron reich, oh yeah like he
made me hate him.

Speaker 2 (39:46):
I will hate him in any movie he does, moving
forward, and I so I'm.
I hope that weapons was thehill he wanted to die on um, you
do know an actor delivered agood hateful character.
When you hate, like personallyyou're like I hate you
personally I, I love thattheater, just like fucking
chanting a cab and so yeah, fuckhim so acting, I'm gonna give

(40:08):
it 4.5.
Then there was the.
The reason why I give it a 4.5.
The reason why I give it a 4.5and not a 5 is just because
there was no standout moment.
There wasn't a scene that wasgiven to the actors where like
hey, you pull this off, you'regoing to get an Oscar.

Speaker 1 (40:22):
That scene just didn't exist in the film.
Oscars don't go to horrormovies usually.

Speaker 2 (40:27):
That's right.
So well, I mean Anthony Hopkins.

Speaker 1 (40:37):
Did he win an oscar for that role?
Okay, I believe you.

Speaker 2 (40:38):
I'm just saying yes, uh, I'm not gonna get up.
I think that sounds right, I'mpretty sure sounds right, sounds
right, yeah, sounds right soI'm going with it.
If our president can do it,then I can fucking do it.
Um, his don't even sound right.
So, um, and then I'm gonna goto cinematography.
Yeah, sounds right, if you saywith enough confidence.
Anthony hopkins won an oscarfor his portrayal of hannibal
lecter in red dragon oh god,cinematography.

(41:07):
Uh, I'm right there with youguys.
It was an expert use of thecamera to tell a story and
portray a message and to conveya feeling which a lot of times
just doesn't fucking happen.
Zach krieger, he's tryingsomething here.
He's trying good.
For him was trevor noah there.

Speaker 1 (41:25):
Maybe you've been better if trevor noah played
james, oh my god.

Speaker 2 (41:31):
That's like the role was written for Trevor Noah.
Amazing.
So I'm going to go 4.5 as well.
The score yeah, they could havedone a witch thing here.
They could have done anexorcism, you know fucking come
up with something.

Speaker 1 (41:50):
They did a really good job.

Speaker 2 (41:51):
Oh, you mean for the soundtrack, yeah, yeah, so, but
at the same time, they knew whento bring out the, the
discordant, fucking violin plug.
Yeah, they did.
They knew when to bring it.
So for that I give it a threestory.
And uh, this was refreshing.
It reminded us that that womenare the true evil.

Speaker 1 (42:15):
Oh no, oh no, America's going to learn the
wrong lesson.

Speaker 2 (42:22):
And if you guys listen to our podcast, you know
that we're big proponents ofthat.
Media just needs to be outlawedbecause we as a society are not
responsible enough to consumeit society are not responsible
enough to consume it.

Speaker 1 (42:34):
Um and yeah, but I specifically agree with pete
hegseth, our secretary ofdefense, who feels that women
shouldn't be allowed to vote.
I specifically agree with thatand that's the biggest part of
it and that's what this film wastrying to say.

Speaker 2 (42:46):
You know that witch was able to take out a credit
card.
You know, for example, and yeah, those, those are things we
need to look at as a society.
Yeah, jesus christ that she wasdivorced too, and so because
there's so many fucking moronsconsuming media out there and I
don't want our show to be one,we don't actually feel that way

(43:09):
and if you do, if you're sittingthere going like high and dry
said it's cool, I heard afucking mouthpiece say that my
opinion is okay, you're a pieceof shit.

Speaker 1 (43:18):
So sorry, yeah, sorry , yeah at least you know,
germany will be okay yeah,that's true, joe rogan's such an
asshole.

Speaker 2 (43:31):
So uh, story and plot , I'm gonna give it a.
I'm gonna give it a four.
I'm gonna give it a four.
There was times for me where itmeandered just a little bit
there was some fat that couldhave been trimmed.
Sure, yeah, uh, rewatch abilitythere.
I would have liked to have seenthe witch have sex.
Sure, full penetrationobviously.

Speaker 1 (44:00):
I think it's time for our society just to be okay
with that, and old hags do havesex.

Speaker 2 (44:04):
According to statistics, it's like all they
do.

Speaker 1 (44:07):
Yeah, yeah, old people have a lot of sex Get
used to it.

Speaker 2 (44:12):
But yeah, rewatchability.
When this thing comes out, whenit hits freaking Amazon and
streaming, I'm going to watch itagain.
I'm going to watch it again.
I'm going to suggest to otherpeople.

Speaker 1 (44:23):
I think I'm going to go see it at the theater again.
For real I think I'm going togo to the theater again.
Yeah, I'm part of thesubscriber thing, so it doesn't
cost me anything.
It's really good.
I want to make sure I see itagain, while it's still the best
it can be, you know yeah, okay,and that gives it an official
high and dry rating of a fourout of five very solid I

(44:49):
honestly thought it would gethigher.

Speaker 2 (44:50):
I was I thought it would get 4.5.
Yeah, I did too, but it'salmost flat 4 out of 5.
That's very strong, I think thescore, dropped it right.

Speaker 1 (44:58):
Everybody said the score, I mean that's where it
dipped my rewatchability wasprobably the only other one.

Speaker 2 (45:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (45:06):
Solid film, but I agree this is one that I'll go
to and suggest to somebody else.
If someone asked me what Ithought of it, I'd definitely be
like you need to go watch it.
It was definitely something.

Speaker 2 (45:18):
I think the rewatchability and like
suggestability are kind of likehand in hand for our rating on
that side of it, I kind of likethat.
If you're not a horror guy likeLuke, you might not watch it
again, but the fact that you'dsuggest it, you know could
potentially pump your rewatchability.
And yeah, yeah, yeah, and it's,there are outliers yeah, and

(45:39):
it's these subtleties that setus apart from, uh you know,
folks over at fandango you knowwho can't tell a film between an
ass and you know their ownfucking ass.
So it's like, yeah, they have noidea what's going on over there
.

Speaker 1 (45:49):
This one's's 95% in Rotten Tomatoes right now Great
it deserves it.

Speaker 2 (45:53):
Well deserved, well deserved, yeah, everybody thinks
it's a good movie.

Speaker 1 (45:57):
How good?
Whatever, doesn't matter.

Speaker 2 (45:58):
It's a good movie and I would just also like to
remind the folks at home.
We talk about Fandango a lot.
Let's not forget that RottenTomatoes scores are arbitrary.
They mean nothing.

Speaker 1 (46:09):
I they mean nothing.
So I mean check them before yougo.
They're pretty good atidentifying a stinker.

Speaker 2 (46:16):
Pretty good, but but after that it's just like a
fucking crap shoot.
It means nothing.
Their scores mean nothing.

Speaker 1 (46:23):
And it's got 12%.
Probably a bad movie.

Speaker 2 (46:27):
Yeah, but they're.
98 means nothing next to an 82.
It nothing, right, so Right.
So fuck them.
So, with that being said, fuckRotten Tomatoes, and let's move
on to the second portion of thisthing.
We're 50 minutes in it's timefor our final toast, final shot,
final hit.
This one goes to a solid horrorfilm which the genre

(46:48):
desperately needs.
I don't think they come up witha bunch of action figures for
this one so that makes hollywooddon't really give a shit.
But uh, alex action figure withreal running away from things
action he flip a switch in hisback and he just runs down in a
grocery store with papers ofevery child from the class.

Speaker 1 (47:11):
It's just got like a bundle of tiny papers.
No, it's that backpack.

Speaker 2 (47:17):
Scattered across the living room.
That's just a big blue backpackwith the papers inside.
Yeah, Hell yeah, all right,here's, let's get on the golden
path.

Speaker 1 (47:26):
Let's talk about this thing.
Cheers boys.
Oh, I did do another, I'll doanother one.
We have a lot to say about thismovie.
Sorry for taking up so muchtime going first.

Speaker 2 (47:38):
So I think, the big takeaways from this one golden
path.
Let's dive on in.
Let's jump on the back of shialude and I think shia lude's
screaming a cab.

Speaker 1 (47:46):
All cops are fucking bastards well, yeah, that's a
surface level.

Speaker 2 (47:50):
One is that this cop is a real piece of shit no, but
I think that it went further injust watching his day-to-day and
then showing the way the chiefwas like, look, if it goes away
in a month, it goes away in amonth, if it doesn't, yeah, and
just the fact that you know eachother.
What else was that chief gonnado?
Right?
If it was the three of us beingcops, I'd do the same fucking

(48:11):
thing I would turn you guys inyou shouldn't be doing that well
, and then me and luke would dothe only thing we would shoot
you in the back of a patrol car,that's true, you would.

Speaker 1 (48:24):
That's why I wouldn't want to be a cop, and so a-cap
fucking a-cap.

Speaker 2 (48:29):
You know we're bastards, you made us bastards
uh, no, no, you were bastardsbefore see.
But then we rolled back thefucking test footage and we saw
you utilizing your power to,like you know, get free gas or
something.
Some bullshit, you know youwere victimizing a crackhead,
you know.
So it's just.

Speaker 1 (48:49):
And yeah, it's just it's just part of the job.

Speaker 2 (48:52):
I don't know what to say Exactly so.
Yeah, there was definitely anACAB element, but then that was
real piece of shit.

Speaker 1 (49:01):
He was a huge scumbag , oh my jesus christ.

Speaker 2 (49:04):
He was scum.
The only dude who wasn'tfucking scum was goddamn um uh,
james no andrew benedict wongyeah, benedict wong and his
husband or partner.

Speaker 1 (49:22):
Well, no, because his partner didn't understand
healthy boundaries yeah,benedict Wong did put off the
check, the wellness check, buthe didn't really stand a chance
in the end.

Speaker 2 (49:36):
Anyway, he did try to put it off.

Speaker 1 (49:38):
He did try to get rid of this problem of a wellness
check.
To be fair, he was kind of apiece of shit also.
Yeah, no one really everybody'scomplicated.

Speaker 2 (49:47):
They're nuanced, so funny that's what's awesome
about it.
Yeah, everyone's nuanced.
I'm sorry, luke, you had a Iwas about to say that.

Speaker 1 (49:53):
That brings a point that I feel like I saw
throughout the movie, which eachof them had like an addiction,
and I feel like benedict wong'sactually was like a food
addiction, and I think that joshbrawlins was work because he
said he was never there for hischild, and I think that justine
has an alcohol problem, as wellas the police.

(50:15):
Each individual person's storyhas some sort of addiction and I
think one of the stories iskind of like overlooked things,
um, and that's things likeaddiction and how they're
overlooked in everyday societyand all of these characters
having issues.
Obviously, james is an obviousone.
He's a fucking actual.
Wait, what's wrong with james?
Listen, yeah, if doing drugsevery day makes you problematic,

(50:43):
then I don't know what to say.
But yeah, I felt like it wasvery interesting because I feel
like each of the characters wereproblematic and each of their
characters had some sort ofalmost gluttony.
Am I using that correctly?
Indulgence?
Indulgence is what I'm tryingto go for.
Everyone had a sin.

Speaker 2 (51:03):
Yeah, indulgence, indulgences, but yeah,
indulgence is uh what I'm tryingto go for, but everyone had a
sin, yeah, well, but I alsoappreciate, like.
So I'm just taking um juliagarner's character.
She's going through so much,she obviously cares about her
students, but then at the end ofthe and she's put on a witch
hunt by the whole fucking town,but then tonight she just wants
a drink and wants to get fuckinglaid, like don't we all man?
Yeah, and they don't ignorethat, they don't walk away from

(51:26):
that, like yeah, she was not abad person in that situation.

Speaker 1 (51:31):
Like like he, she was lied to.
Yeah, she did not know that shewas breaking his sobriety.
Like she didn't also know thatshe, like he, was actually
serious and she, she asked, shestraight up asked are you guys,
you, you with her are you withher?

Speaker 2 (51:47):
and he's like he said no, he said no, but he was, he
was.
He was worse than the fuckingwitch, in my opinion.

Speaker 1 (51:53):
He well, no, I don't think that.
But he he should have.
You know, the things that wouldhave made this different was he
would have said he could havesaid he could have been honest
about his relationship, says,and told her that he was being,
that he was sober.
But these people are so flawedeveryone's flawed with their,
and they're all nuanced.
For that reason, we get to seetheir flaws on display and they

(52:14):
make us ask more.
They make us want to know moreabout their flaws, about them as
people.

Speaker 2 (52:19):
Yeah, yeah well, but look, and just just to prove my
point again, um, the witch hadall this power and she did not
join the police department, so Iwould still argue that he was a
bigger piece of shit do you anddo you another like.

Speaker 1 (52:35):
So I had to look this one up after the movie.
But do you guys?
Is there a scene in the movie Idon't know if either of you
guys remember that really waslike stand out but weird and
almost didn't, was like what thefuck?

Speaker 2 (52:47):
well, tell me the ak-47 in the sky ak-47 in the
sky, oh yes so it's a symbolicdreams, right?

Speaker 1 (52:55):
yeah so, but that has a deeper like.
Apparently, you know it's atheorized symbology.

Speaker 2 (53:01):
There's a symbology senate vote recently.

Speaker 1 (53:03):
That was actually a weapons ban in the united states
and it got 217 votes, which isjust shy of the amount of votes
that it needed.
It was like 220 votes needed,um, but for some I don't know
why they would do that.
But like that was like thetheorized, because I I looked up
like what the fuck was, I stilldidn't know.
At the end of the movie I waslike you're saying that it says

(53:25):
217 on the ak yeah, so that likeoh, it's because that's when
the kids left.

Speaker 2 (53:29):
Yeah, I know that's when the kids again, the whole
217 is supposed to be thatsymbol again, this is what.
This is what the internet Ithink the internet's- full of
shit?

Speaker 1 (53:39):
yeah, I think the internet's full of shit, but
what do you think it is?
I couldn't, I, I couldn't makeany sense of that stupid I think
, it was an arbitrary number,just I think 217 in the morning
was arbitrary and then they putthe 217.

Speaker 2 (53:53):
It's 217.

Speaker 1 (53:55):
That's when the kids left.
He's just seeing symbolism fromwhat he's thinking about.

Speaker 2 (53:58):
Why am I?

Speaker 1 (53:59):
k47 because he Because he should go kill them
Like he just he should go.
It's, you should go kill.

Speaker 2 (54:07):
That's what I thought I would say to a point of
Luke's point.
You know, james, you and I havesaid before that everything
that you put into a film shouldhave a reasoning.
I guess that's true.
If it doesn't, you either are,you know, kind of dumb or you're
bad at your job and you get thepick.
Oh yeah, guess that's true.
If it doesn't, you either are,you know, kind of dumb or you're
bad at your job and you get thepick.

Speaker 1 (54:26):
Oh yeah, that's true.

Speaker 2 (54:28):
And so so, and we do think as well yeah, and so there
has to be a reason that wedon't.
Maybe, James, when you do yourrewatch in, you know, fucking
IMAX.

Speaker 1 (54:48):
I bet, I bet, I bet.
217 is the length of some trackof music that is influential to
no, I'm just throwing out shit,because this is what
numerologists do they look formeaning in numbers.
And you don't have to be right,it's literally I I agree
because I felt like it wasrandomized.
I felt like she was just doingthat spell thing and it just
landed at 217, like I.
It felt like that even duringthe movie because, if you
remember, it showed the clockbut it didn't feel like they
were like oh, it just felt likethey were like I had to do it,

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so I just put in.

Speaker 2 (55:12):
217 bible um quotes the prophet joel and speaks
about god pouring out his spiriton all people in the last days.
It mentions that sons anddaughters will prophecy, young
men will see visions and old menwill dream dreams oh okay, so
never mind.

Speaker 1 (55:28):
So I guess it is.
Uh, it's the bible.
That seems pretty, seems prettyreasonable, seems.
I mean, that seems probablylike the best explanation
because that has a meaning,right?
Yeah but, you're saying why wasthere a big gun on in the sky?
Like weapon, of weapon of god,you know.
Just it still doesn't fit maybehe was uh like a combat vet we

(55:52):
need to uh, we need to re-watchthe movie and figure it out.
Damn re-watch ability goes up toa five, damn it definitely.
That was at least got ustalking, because I was at least.
I was just like, and Iguarantee I'm gonna say there's
I, I will talk about this withsomeone this week who's seen it
and they're gonna say what thefuck is up with ak-47.

(56:13):
Yeah, I know they're gonna askabout it like I.
It was so seen it like.
I was like interesting what?

Speaker 2 (56:18):
for me, it didn't clock, that's really funny for
me.

Speaker 1 (56:21):
I was just like oh, it's a dream, it's like dream
logic.
Oh, okay, yeah.
And cam said that we got in thecar and cam first went what the
fuck was that?
And she goes maybe just dreamlogic, like and I was like, yeah
, I guess it could be.

Speaker 2 (56:33):
Callie and I both were like what the fuck is with
the ak-47 really you guys were.

Speaker 1 (56:38):
I didn't even totally slipped my mind and just said
it now I had put it into justdream life.

Speaker 2 (56:43):
That was the.
I would be more swayed by thatview If there was more dream
logic, like you know, if therewas a fucking dude in a rabbit
costume getting a blow job byyou know fucking frog man, like
if there was more dream logicinside of it.
But that was the only thing wasvery directed.
Everything else was super yeah,so I don't know and it didn't

(57:06):
pay off.

Speaker 1 (57:06):
He didn't take a gun and go do justice, nothing.
And then I thought the cop wasgonna have the ar shotgun.
I'm like damn it.
I thought they were gonna tie itall together and they didn't
yeah, maybe we missed a dog tagor something hanging on a
nightstand dresser or you know,I think some people with
knowledge of the bible will havesome kind of reference for a

(57:28):
celestial weapon of god, becausethat's what it seemed like to
me was like a big, shiny weaponin the sky is like god telling
you to go do violence.
I do, actually.
I just had this thought he didafter that dream.
He specifically said, likesomething about weaponizing

(57:48):
something, yeah, and it mighthave just been a clue for him to
be like, yeah, being what?
like he because?
Oh, it was because after wongattacked her he was like oh, he
was sent to you like a, likeheat seeking, like weaponized
humans or something, so maybe itwas something to do with that.
Just to put him onto that likethought trail there was a lot in
this movie.
We've been talking about thismovie for a whole hour.

(58:10):
This was a good movie.
Had left us with a lot ofquestions that we are interested
in answering.
Yeah, I, I will agree, itdefinitely had me.
Um, I, I was into it.
I had to go to the.
I was questioning if I couldhandle this movie and then I had
to pee and I didn't want to gobecause I didn't want to miss
anything.

Speaker 2 (58:28):
I was like I need to hold this.

Speaker 1 (58:30):
Well, fellas, no, no, I got some left for Golden Path
.

Speaker 2 (58:34):
Oh, okay, all right, I'm sorry, let's just do it.

Speaker 1 (58:36):
You guys brought up your stuff.
I have to bring up my goldenpath.
Rip it.
Yeah, I did there are.
I think this movie starts outwith various levels of
penetration, like penetration isa theme in this movie you know
what you're using right thereyeah, I know, you've got the
thorn that pokes the witch'sfinger.

(58:59):
You've got sex like that's whatstarts out with sex with the
teacher and the cop.
You've got needles, thehypodermic needle, you because
the cop gets stabbed in a badway with it.
The drug addict gets stabbed ina good way with it.
You know a way that they like.
You know penetration is like arunning theme in the movie and

(59:21):
the nuances of penetration, andwhen it comes to like busting
through the door, the uh, holdon, someone got stabbed uh, but
like sticks her head through thedoor looking down at her yeah
yeah, and it's like all thesethings being penetrated and like
boundaries yeah, yeah, likeyou're, I'm sorry, I know it's

(59:45):
really weird, right like it's avery interesting concept, but it
happened over and over in thismovie and even when you get yeah
and I, there's bad penetrationwhen the guy gets stabbed in the
face too, like that wassomething.
Yeah, I was like, oh god, oh,like yeah, there's context to
penetration.
There's different kinds thatcontrol you and your behavior,
and then it's like the physicalmanifestation of crossing your

(01:00:08):
boundaries and taking yourbodily autonomy away.
It's really interesting.
I don't know how much is there,but it's very interesting that
there's a repeated penetrationand getting stuck.
Yeah, I never pulled that outwhen I was watching it well, huh
, I don't like.

Speaker 2 (01:00:29):
See, it's all about consent, baby, I'd be so mad.
Say like I might want to goback and watch barbarian at some
point at the same time.
I don't.
I, I thought it was I didn'tlike barbarian yeah I didn't
like barbarian, but like Iwonder if there's a I'm trying
to figure out, if there's like astyle here that's starting to

(01:00:51):
develop.
Where's that krieger he'sobviously like after barbarian.
Obviously the studios arestarting to trust him and he's
starting to get more optionshere and I I think that he is
going to become a force, andthis all started obviously with
miss march, but uh no, hedirected that he was the star.

Speaker 1 (01:01:15):
Oh well, he was.
Wait, he was the star of thatone yeah all I remember is
trevor, no, trevor, no from ityeah don't we all?

Speaker 2 (01:01:22):
Yeah, but yeah.
No, he was the guy who was in acoma who Trevor Moore hit with
a bat to wake him up.

Speaker 1 (01:01:31):
He did do Companion, which was really good.
I liked Companion yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:01:38):
Maybe we're seeing a style start to develop here from
a truly creative, inspiredperson and he did have purpose
behind that.
Or, yeah, maybe the onlywhitest kid you know who was
worth a damn died and, uh, hejust got lucky on the second try
.
But I think I'm with you inthat I need to see this again.

(01:02:01):
I think there might besomething here that we're
missing.

Speaker 1 (01:02:07):
Yeah, I think there's no way we couldn't have missed
something.
I'm not the most perceptiveperson in the world.
I had to have missed something.
Even Luke was bringing up stuffand I was like, oh shit, I
didn't even think about that.
I even think that it has anoverall message of overlooking
anyone in society, because thiswoman is clearly overlooked.

(01:02:28):
She somehow just stays under.
She looks fucking crazy andstill people are just like she
seems harmless though it's likeyeah, she's clearly has some
sort of screw, like you can't,yeah, but yet she's overlooked
and just like kind of the andthen, sure enough, the cop falls
for it, walks in somehow hedoesn't see it, becomes
zombified or whatever, like yeah, it's interesting, and I think

(01:02:51):
even the each of them being likeoverlooked in their way of the
when they fast cut to james inthe back of the car still at
night like that was so funny,everybody just burst out
laughing.
He's like, oh man, this sucks,he's headbutting this thing, let
me out, yeah.
When he fucking asked, he'slike I don't want to be rude,

(01:03:14):
but you're not gonna take that50 000 reward for oh man, oh man
so good so good well, I thinkit's time for our third portion
of this.

Speaker 2 (01:03:32):
It's time, jesus Christ.
It's time to insert ourselvesdrugs and alcohol into this bad
boy.
We've been going at this forover an hour.

Speaker 1 (01:03:41):
What would happen differently.

Speaker 2 (01:03:42):
What would happen differently?
What would happen differentlyif you guys were in this film?

Speaker 1 (01:03:47):
Well, there was already drugs.
They did really good with thedrugs.
Normally I could be like I'mgonna add drugs to this.
It would just be the same movie.

Speaker 2 (01:03:55):
It'd just be the same thing, but with drugs dude.

Speaker 1 (01:03:58):
You'd just be James.
Yeah, I'd just be James.
It's right there.
I don't know.
He's a real hard drug.
Yeah, he's a hardcore drug.
You are not.
He's got needles.
He's got needles.

Speaker 2 (01:04:08):
I don't believe that you would allow yourself to get
to that point where you'reliving in the tent for the sake
of a fucking high.
I think that I so, in myopinion, because you like to
always do that where you blewyour head off.

(01:04:29):
But there's no reason to blowyour head off right.
There's a reason in this one.
There's no immediate reason forthat.
There's no apocalypse.
Everything seems normal on thecuff.
So, yeah, does your perspective, do your perceptions, alter
this in a meaningful way?
And you gave this a really highrating, so I feel like you have
something to give here that youdon't usually on this portion
of the podcast yeah, that's true, that's true.

Speaker 1 (01:04:47):
So I think if I was, you know, in this I'd definitely
be, you know, high, because I'mhigh all the time, and so I
think that, like you said,providing a really unique view,
I would have seen what happenedto benedict wong when he got hit
by that car, and that was likeone of the most gruesome scenes

(01:05:09):
in the movie, like when theyshowed his corpse yeah, yeah,
and they like they panned overhis corpse stuff and I would
have been there too and soamazing about that scene was
that it was not visceral in thefact that it was right there.

Speaker 2 (01:05:21):
It was from josh Bolin's perspective, which was
100, 200 yards away.
And then you could see his facedrop when it happened and it
took like two seconds, like oneMississippi, two Mississippi for
us as an audience to go.
Whoa shit, he just got hit by acar.
Yeah, I thought that was reallycool.
Yeah, yeah, yeah and that waswhen the screaming started.

(01:05:42):
You know, and I would have beenthere, I would have been like
oh my god, oh my god, I wouldhave like went to go over to see
if he was all right.
And then I would have gotten hitdie.

Speaker 1 (01:06:05):
God damn.
It all right, your turn I wouldlike I had you though right, I
had you right you did, I wouldbe on a walk, probably, you know
, smoking just having a nicetime walking through this
neighborhood, this house.
I would see it on the right.

(01:06:27):
I'd be like I'd be curious yeah,yeah kind of peeping in the dad
would just walk out.
Yeah, the weird wave to me andyou'd go come over.
That's fucking weird.
But uh, he's pretty friendly.
Hey, how you doing.
He's just like kind of comingin.
I'm like you would never walktowards someone who was waving

(01:06:49):
like this.
I would never do that no, noone fucking would.
That drove me crazy dude I likehow they both just like when the
cop comes out and does it comeover, I'm just like, oh my god,
that's the creepiest fuckingthing in the entire world the

(01:07:10):
scene where she comes out andcuts her hair oh god, yeah, yeah
, that was a good scene.

Speaker 2 (01:07:15):
Talked with me dude.
That was intense.
Yeah, I did not.

Speaker 1 (01:07:19):
You didn't know where it was going, dude, and I know
that was something I going, dude, and I know they were willing
to put a lot of uh, intensemoments where it like put you on
the edge, but they didn't needthe drop of the jump scare and
that was one of those momentswhere it never did but there was
no drop scare, it was justsuper fucking creepy.

Speaker 2 (01:07:36):
That was to me.
That was the creepiest scene.

Speaker 1 (01:07:39):
The concept of anyone being around me, in my house,
in my car, and me not knowingand just like like never.
Oh, that's just one of the mostterrifying things in the world
that was a winning.

Speaker 2 (01:07:49):
For sure that that scene alone made this a whole,
like if you had you had takeneverything else out.

Speaker 1 (01:07:53):
Horror film I don't know how I fucking, I don't know
how I could like make this.
I don't think I could make itbetter, like I I don't, so I
don't think I'd end up.
I would probably be one of theneighbors inside smoking, but I
hear the destruction and then Ijust see all these children,
ripping apart this old lady, andI'm just like, oh my god, and I

(01:08:17):
throw up in my house and I'mlike, I'm like throwing up.
It's like you run over and youstart throwing up on the kids.
Oh stop, obviously aren't gonnaattack me, because the spell's
not to attack me, so I'll stillbe safe.
Um, they'll just continue tomaul this old lady and I'll just

(01:08:39):
be covered in blood and vomitand crying in the air when that
last thing, that old womansecret skill of hers she's an
ex-fucking cross-countrysprinter.
She's quick, she's quick, Igotta say fucking like she could
move.

Speaker 2 (01:08:56):
Yeah, which would make my contribution to this
film harder for me.
I would be the sole survivor ofthe last family she drained.
You got away and whenever, alex, once upon a time and so when
everything is fucking like goingoff, I would burst through a
window in full like pilgrimhunter garb and I would start

(01:09:21):
firing hand crossbows into herzombies, because I know what's
coming.

Speaker 1 (01:09:27):
It's better than it's better than being fed by a tube
for 20 years and die.

Speaker 2 (01:09:33):
I've seen it I've seen it yes, I was bust in with
hand crossbows, uh, with a fullpilgrim, get up, because I'm
hunting a witch.
You know, buckled hat and shit,and I would completely adopt an
old school way of speech.
You know, like die foul demonand things of that nature, I'd

(01:09:54):
be, yeah, hucking holy waterbombs and because after josh
brolin was throwing zombies justrepeatedly, because he's Josh
Brolin and we had a cross, across country chase between an
old women and 17 children, Ifeel like I would fit the theme.

(01:10:15):
Sure Pilgrim Witch Hunter.

Speaker 1 (01:10:20):
I wouldn't have been surprised if a monster hunter
showed up.

Speaker 2 (01:10:23):
That would have been surprised if a monster hunter
showed up.
That would have been.
I would be pilgrim witch hunterbusting through the window at
the last second, saving alexwith hand crossbows that hugh
jackman style from that onefucking terrible movie van
helsing, yeah, yeah that onereload clockwork style oh yeah

(01:10:44):
yeah, oh yeah and I'm like, bythe way bro, werewolves exist
too, and I'm, and I'm justfucking machine gun hand
crossbowing shit just from allparts of the town, supernatural
animals are just running intoyour but yeah, this part of uh.

(01:11:05):
Wherever the fuck we are, it'slousy with vampires.
I've been dealing with themsince I was 13.
You're gonna experience thatsoon, young alex, and I will
take him under my wing and turnhim into the next hunter.
Yeah, and that's what wouldhave gotten the movie the five,
yeah, yeah yeah, well, and thenI would also kill josh brolin's

(01:11:27):
child, because I've dealt withthis before and know that, no,
he is still a slave to the evildeities that control.
You know that gave the witchher power and he'll just one day
murder you.

Speaker 1 (01:11:39):
So they did hint that , they did hint it yeah, did
they hint it?

Speaker 2 (01:11:43):
wait, what did they hint?

Speaker 1 (01:11:43):
I missed it I feel like it was like that it was.

Speaker 2 (01:11:46):
Yeah, with with the eye contact.
Yeah, and the way that theystarted, they're still under a
control.

Speaker 1 (01:11:53):
Yeah, a control, you know, and I think it might be I
found that interesting becauseone last theory to bring up I
know we're running long, thismovie is so good.
The teacher thinks she wasbeing held for a soul
transference Because they gother.
She had her hair already, but Ithink the witch was going to
try to take her body and maybeshe did.

Speaker 2 (01:12:19):
That's a sexy little font.
Maybe she did, and then it wasjust the teacher running for her
life from the children in theclass well, I feel if you take
that, combine it with my pilgrimwitch hunter, you have the
makings of fucking weapons tooyeah, absolutely, I'm going to

(01:12:45):
get Danny glover to sign on.
He's gonna be my sidekick, andpedro pascal will show up too.

Speaker 1 (01:12:52):
He's been dying to get out of weapons since it
became a franchise, so I thinkit should be said at the world's
largest naruto convention, sothat you don't know who's
actually being controlled by awitch and who's just really
loves naruto hell yeah, fuck,yeah, everybody's running around

(01:13:15):
oh my god, she's got them all.
What a movie for a movie.
I didn't think I'd like.

Speaker 2 (01:13:22):
Yeah, right, well, and I feel it's time to end this
bad boy on a high note.
So, um, everyone, there youhave it.
You got the scores.
Four out of five for a fuckinghorror film.
Go see this fucking thing.
I know Trevor Noah wasn'tinvolved, but you know,
eventually we have to move on.
Um, yeah, definitely go seethis thing.

(01:13:46):
High and dry loves it.
I'm your host, ryan bear north,with me, as always, james
crosser and luke.
Uh, thank you, fellas, andthank you all for listening.
Bye.