Anna the Cannabinista: Stirring the Pot of Advocacy and Influence

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Anna Li lights up the night show with her tales from the frontline of cannabis advocacy, blending warmth with wisdom. She's not just a social media sensation; Anna is a trailblazer for BIPOC and women in the cannabis community, and her story of transcending a corporate past to create mouthwatering cannabis cuisine on TikTok is nothing short of inspiring. We explore the intricacies of cannabis content creation and delve into Anna's strategic approach to collaborations that bring the cannabis world closer to mainstream audiences. She reveals the dedication that underpins her engaging and educational material, and how she navigates the complex currents of brand partnerships with integrity and authenticity.

The episode continues with a vibrant discussion on the cultural and regional nuances of the cannabis industry, from event planning hurdles to retail experiences that vary from one place to another. We share personal anecdotes that shed light on the evolution of consumer preferences and the global pulse of cannabis legalization. Our conversation with Anna also touches on the delicate art of introducing cannabis into traditional settings, the challenge of shaking off stigmas, and the treasure of finding community within the cannabis space. Our banter underscores the resilience and determination that fuel our collective journey, and Anna's voice adds a real sense of solidarity to the narrative.

As we wrap up, Anna gets real about the underestimated grind behind influential content creation. From battling content regulation and shadow bans to discussing the nuances of creating SEO-friendly material that educates and resonates, she unpacks the behind-the-scenes effort of making it as a cannabis influencer. We even confront the disparities in how cannabis content is treated compared to other industries, reinforcing the importance of persistence and community support when promoting cannabis-related content. Join us for an episode that's as enlightening as it is affirming, and that's sure to leave you feeling part of a larger movement that's shaping the future of cannabis culture.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:02):
Minus 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 8 inches.
Start 4, 3, 2, 1.
Hi, I'm Sean and I'm Charlie,and this is Hyrovit.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
I had to contain myself from laughter there, did
you?
Yeah, why would happen?
No, I'm just laughing at theshow down there.

Speaker 1 (00:30):
Oh, I love it.
Ok, that's good, that's fine.
We got a big guest here tonight.
We got an at first night showin a long time.
I'm really stoked.
Oh, wow, it's been a minute.
It's nice to decompress after along day at the shop in the
back of the shop with our goodfriend Anna Lee, the can of
Bonista.
She's driven funny, alwayscreating.
She by far has the largestaudience of any guest we've ever

(00:51):
had on the show.
She's an advocate and a sewerfor BIPOC, women and cannabis.
Welcome, anna Lee.

Speaker 3 (00:57):
Thank you, Thank you guys.

Speaker 1 (00:58):
Yeah, thanks for having me.
Thanks for coming, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:00):
Thanks for having me, I know, Also been a supporter
of the shop, which I actuallydidn't know that until recently.
I feel like we only met likesomewhat recently.

Speaker 3 (01:10):
Yeah, maybe like a few months ago.

Speaker 2 (01:11):
Yeah, probably.
Oh, I love you guys, you guysare like the best store
aesthetic and vibe.

Speaker 3 (01:14):
Like when I come in it's just like a family.
So that's why I come here.
I appreciate that.

Speaker 1 (01:19):
Yeah, you're always interested in what's new and
what's happening.
You're always asking what'sgoing on in the shop and we
appreciate having that rhetoricwith you.
So it's great.
Yeah, we've got the newTangerine Dream Sheesh.
Of course you know Sheesh isthe sponsor of Higher Orbit.
Just wanted to plug that quick.
We're really excited to havethis world premiere of their new
Tangerine Dream Live Resin Fizz.

(01:40):
So it's a Tangerine Dream LiveResin that our good friends Matt
and Jackie have paired intothis lovely Tangerine Dream Fizz
beverage.
Real fruit juice, right, Ibelieve.
So, yeah, real fruit juice.
There you go, right.
And I thought when I havealready tried it, I thought that
it really delivered on theTangerine specific flavor.

Speaker 3 (02:01):
Is it Tangerine Dream , strain specific yes, oh, ok,
ok.

Speaker 1 (02:04):
So it's Tangerine Dream Live Resin specific, but I
felt like when I drank it Icould taste the Tangerine Dream
Resin and then I could alsotaste the Tangerine juice and I
felt like it was really good.
Anyways, we've got to try it.
I'll let you be the don.
I'll let you try one, anna.

Speaker 2 (02:18):
You've never tried one.

Speaker 3 (02:19):
No, I've never tried Sheesh.
Do you want to try that, or the?

Speaker 2 (02:22):
original.

Speaker 3 (02:23):
Can I have both yeah?

Speaker 2 (02:24):
Of course I love them .
Why don't you go?

Speaker 3 (02:27):
Should I just like I have lipstick on?
Should I pour it somewhere?
You want to pour?

Speaker 2 (02:31):
it into something.
Yeah, yeah, I should, I should.
We can do that.
You want to grab another cup?
I need a cup.

Speaker 1 (02:36):
Nice.

Speaker 3 (02:36):
Ice cold, that is much needed.

Speaker 1 (02:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:40):
Yeah, well, I don't want to tell us a little bit
more about, kind of like, yourjourney.
We were just kind of chattingpre-show, love, the Sound of the
Sheesh.
It all kind of started for youpandemic, and now you have how
many?
That was a lot of followers.
I saw Shondon 500,000 I thinkin climbing.

Speaker 1 (02:59):
I feel like when I first started following you, it
was like less.
I've been following you for along time and it's been really
nice seeing you kind of ascendto this, like I don't know,
mecca of cannabis contentcreating, in my opinion.

Speaker 3 (03:13):
It's been a hectic journey, to say the least.

Speaker 2 (03:15):
I agree.

Speaker 3 (03:16):
Yeah, yeah, I guess how it all started.
Yeah, it was pandemic.
Literally, I had extra time onmy hands.

Speaker 2 (03:22):
OK.

Speaker 3 (03:23):
TikTok was blowing up .
Shoreform content was blowingup.
Anyone with a phone was filmingthemselves doing whatever.

Speaker 1 (03:29):
Right.

Speaker 3 (03:30):
And I was like I'm going to film myself making weed
edibles at home.
I love it and that's really howit started.
And it wasn't really until ayear after doing it randomly,
where I was like, oh, I actuallywant to take this seriously.
The moment that actually that Ithought of that was when I had
a viral video on TikTok.

Speaker 1 (03:48):
OK.

Speaker 3 (03:49):
Literally.
It was 20 million viewsovernight and it was me using a
cannabis infusion device to makea brownie cake thing.
It was janky, I actually.
It's a very controversial videobecause I did something that
was very taboo.
Ok, I took weed from a joint, Ibroke the joint and then I
poured the weed into theinfusion machine.
Ok, so people got triggered bythat.
They're like what the fuck?

(04:10):
So that, I think, caused a lotof that virality.

Speaker 1 (04:12):
The conflict.

Speaker 2 (04:13):
The conflict of that yeah.

Speaker 1 (04:14):
Because, you know how content now is like people like
.

Speaker 3 (04:17):
I feel ways about it where you have to post
controversial stuff to get views, whatever.
But I had no intent of gettingviews.
I was just me being my innocentself in my kitchen making a
cannabis edible.

Speaker 1 (04:28):
You were in the moment.
You didn't even think aboutthat.
I was in the moment.

Speaker 3 (04:30):
It was such a bad video, like if I go rewatching
now it actually makes me cringeat how bad it was.

Speaker 1 (04:35):
Like it's just terrible, but you can't take it
down now.
No, I can't.
It's like yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (04:39):
So that's really how it started and as I started
immersing myself more in theindustry, meeting people, and I
realized this is my passion andI feel there is a purpose for me
to be an educator in this space, to provide a different lens on
cannabis through my platform.

Speaker 2 (04:55):
What was the recipe?
Just sorry, I might have missedthat it was literally like a
janky brownie cannabis cake.

Speaker 3 (05:00):
It wasn't.
Even I wasn't a brownie, itwasn't a cake, it was a brookie,
A brookie.
Ok, a brookie Cake Crownie.

Speaker 1 (05:09):
I love it.
Hey, man, you got to startsomewhere, so like whatever, and
it worked.
Was it a Lenovo machine?
Is that?
I know that you do a lot ofwork with them.

Speaker 3 (05:16):
It was an ardent FX machine.
It's like a competitor product.
It's like the purple device.

Speaker 1 (05:20):
Got it, I think I remember.

Speaker 3 (05:21):
OK, amazing, oh, that's good Creamsicle.
It is really good Creamsicle.
Yeah, not too sweet, though,right yeah?

Speaker 1 (05:27):
I felt like it was sweet, but not like because I
think it has sugar in it.
Don't get me wrong.
But I think it's regular fruitjuice and not like that corn
syrup-y, like sickly sweet stickon your tongue.

Speaker 3 (05:36):
It doesn't leave that nasty taste on your tongue,
right yeah, which is importantOn your cows, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (05:41):
I think it's delicious.
I thought it was really good.
Do you think you could use thatin one of your mocktails?
Yeah, you like to like kind ofbuild from scratch.
I feel like this is alreadygood on its own.
Yeah, you know what I mean.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (05:52):
Like I like to build from scratch, like I feel like
this is already a solid byitself, like it doesn't need
Maybe I'll put an orange sliceto make it fancy A mimosa.

Speaker 1 (05:59):
A mimosa.

Speaker 3 (06:00):
Right, yes.

Speaker 1 (06:01):
A mimosa, there you go.
You could definitely kind ofmake a play on that somewhere in
there.
I guess I know that.
I recently saw that one of yourbiggest achievements of the
past year was working with pizzapizza.

Speaker 3 (06:15):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (06:15):
That's really cool.

Speaker 3 (06:16):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (06:17):
You want to tell us a little more about that, because
I guess it's like not acannabis brand, right?
Yeah, does that make it sospecial for you?

Speaker 3 (06:22):
Yes, so last year, 2023, pizza Pizza reached out to
me to do a 420 collaboration,to promote they had a pizza
promo.
It was like four small pizzasfor $20.
Like you know, classic, likeNice Donor thing, yeah, and I
think the fact that they reachedout, the fact that they were
trying to do work with someonewho was in cannabis, was already
like wow, I mean it makes sensethough, right.

(06:43):
It really does Like any fooditem that is associated with
stoner culture should bepartnering with cannabis period,
but it was really nice to justsee that non-canabis brands want
to work with cannabis peopleand that was really exciting.
It was a really awesome promoand, yeah, that was successful.

Speaker 1 (06:59):
Yeah, it was successful.
It was really good.
Yeah, do you do the brandsalways choose you or do you
choose the brands?
I guess I don't really know howthis works.
I'm new to content creation.
I get free stuff once in awhile.
I'm sponsored by she SwitchesFund, but I don't know.
I guess I was just curious howthat works.
Is there ever been anybody?
You don't have to name names.
Whether you'd be like nah, thatdoesn't really identify with
the cannabis brand necessarily.

(07:19):
I think I'm going to pass.

Speaker 3 (07:20):
Yeah, it's a bit of both Like.
Obviously, I have to pitchmyself.
I would say in the early days Idid a lot of pitching myself,
right.
Like you know, this is my pitch.
This is why you should workwith me.
This is XYZ, but a lot of italso comes naturally now, which
is what I'm getting.
A lot now is like a lot ofbrands are just reaching out
directly because they're seeinga lot of content that aligns
with what they want to do.
But I always make sure that I'mworking with brands.

(07:42):
That one I use, right, Iactually like, I like their
values, I like what they'redoing, and that there's
alignment there, becauseotherwise it's just it feels
fake, right, it's just like off,like yeah, it doesn't feel
right.
No, it doesn't feel right, itneeds to be something that I can
actually like seamlesslyincorporate into my life, and
it's not like just a make a buck, like you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (08:01):
You come across really genuine like that, so I
wouldn't guess any different,Just just from from me guessing.
If I had to guess, I feel likesometimes when I see other
influencers on platforms, I cantell right away where I'm like.
You don't really use thatproduct.
You know what I mean.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (08:15):
It has to be authentic because, like you know
, you can maybe do one or twothings that are inauthentic, but
like, long term it's it's just,it adds up and it's just like
inauthentic to yourself, youknow, you just feel awkward,
like yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (08:26):
Yeah, True to yourself, true to your followers
right, yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (08:29):
Yeah, have you been like experimenting and making
recipes, like even before, Iguess, legalization, or is this
just really kind of taken off?

Speaker 3 (08:37):
Yeah, I definitely did.
You know, make janky recipes athome, you know they're typical.

Speaker 2 (08:41):
Why are they janky?

Speaker 3 (08:41):
They're janky because there's not.
I'm not a.
I guess you know, maybe I'mlike putting myself down in a
weird way, but it's because I'mnot a chef.
I'm not like trained a baker.
I don't, you know, I didn't goto cooking school or anything
like that.
I'm really just a homeinfusionist that's what I like
to call myself and like I wantto make recipes that are, you
know, the average person yourneighbor can make, because they
don't have time on their handsor they want simple ingredients.

(09:03):
They only have flour and sugar,or like that's who I'm trying
to appeal to.
So they're janky, but they'restill tasty.

Speaker 2 (09:09):
I feel you, I feel you.
So you know, we're kind ofthat's quick and easy.
Yeah, quick and dirty.

Speaker 1 (09:14):
I understand.
Yeah, but yeah I mean that'swhy so many people resonate with
you, though I mean I'm justglad to say that I mean there's
a compliment, obviously, but Ithink you make it look easy and
like anybody could do it.

Speaker 3 (09:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (09:23):
And don't be afraid to you know, infuse your own
stuff.
But why do you pay all thismoney for?
And you're always talking aboutadded sugar and ingredients you
don't want to consume and stufflike that.
So I know, I just think you doa really good job with that.

Speaker 3 (09:35):
I try to make it approachable, right, Because if
you make stuff that's like, youcan make stuff that's like
really complicated, you know,like I don't know like infuse,
like flambé or something likethat, but like, if it's, if
people can't make it at home,they can't relate to you, it's
not practical.
Yeah, and I'm a very practicalperson.
Like I just want to show peoplehey, make this banana bread,
whip it in a blender.

(09:55):
You got a really dope bananabread.

Speaker 1 (09:58):
Yeah, people love banana bread.
It's such an easy one.
I love banana bread.
Everybody does right, so itmakes total sense to me.
Could you share some of yourchallenges you faced during the
pandemic and how you know thecannabis-infused cooking helped
you kind of cope through thatperiod?
I guess Do you think it didanyways.

Speaker 3 (10:16):
I feel like it gave me a more time on my hands to
find my passion and reflect onmyself and what I was doing.

Speaker 1 (10:26):
Interesting.
What were you doing before this?
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (10:29):
My background is like strategy, consulting, finance,
nice.
I have a very typicaltraditional background, I guess
you could say Very corporate.
You know went to school, got adegree, you know went to do
business because that's how youmake money, right, like very
traditional Asian parents wantthat shit.
If you're not a doctor or alawyer, you got to be in

(10:49):
business or something like that.
So that's my background and Ithink that a lot, because a lot
of that has helped me be able tobuild and scale my content
creation business.
I know I've learned a lot ofother soft skills, technical
skills, that have helped me withthat.
So thanks to that but yeah,back to the point is, during
COVID you have a lot of freetime and it's a really a lot of

(11:10):
time to work on yourself and belike okay, what am I actually
passionate about?
Do I actually want to slaveaway in the corporate world or
do I have extra time on my handsand maybe I can build a side
business that I can eventuallyscale?
So that was kind of like wherecannabis came into that whole
picture.

Speaker 1 (11:25):
Yeah, it really helped you kind of learn
something about yourself too.

Speaker 3 (11:28):
I guess right.

Speaker 1 (11:29):
It's fun that we all had projects to kind of get us
through that period.
I remember I was doing realestate school.
It was all online, so it waslike not nearly as exciting as
cannabis content creation.

Speaker 3 (11:39):
Did you finish the?
I did, I graduated.
Are you realtor now?
I am.
I'm a licensed realtor inOntario.

Speaker 2 (11:44):
Okay, okay, I'll come to you.
I love it.
I love it.

Speaker 1 (11:46):
Yeah, please, I'd love to chat anytime.
It definitely helped get methrough.
Just, you know a lot of peopleI knew that didn't have
something like that or didn'thave something to come in.
Just get them up and keep themmotivated and be like.
I'm still working towardssomething, or I'm getting up and
bettering myself and figuringout what I want to do you know
how did your parents react whenyou were like yeah, I'm leaving

(12:08):
my corporate job for.

Speaker 3 (12:11):
Okay, you guys ready for this Content creation?

Speaker 2 (12:14):
and it's weed no they don't know.

Speaker 1 (12:16):
Oh yes.
Wow, okay, you still thinkyou're at your corporate job
yeah.
Damn Wow okay.
I'm sick though, if she stillplays the bell, she's good.

Speaker 3 (12:25):
Yeah, I'll eventually tell them when.
If they find out, I'll tellthem.

Speaker 1 (12:32):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (12:34):
Being Asian is very hard Like, especially when your
parents are like immigrants andlike hardcore immigrants.
They don't understand.
Every type of drug is bad,Alcohol is bad, staying out late
is bad, eating deep fried foodis bad, Like literally
everything is bad, you know.
Like that's just like, andthey're at the age where it's
very hard to change their mindsand I rather just maintain a

(12:56):
relationship with them ratherthan cause them anxiety or being
worried about me or beingstressed, and like if they find
out then I'll be like you knowwhat I'm making a living off
this, but, like, for now I don'tfeel the need to explain to
them.

Speaker 1 (13:07):
It's not necessary.
Yeah, yeah, you still have ahealthy relationship with them.
What about the knowing?

Speaker 3 (13:11):
Yeah, Sometimes ignorance is bliss.

Speaker 1 (13:13):
I think so.
Yeah, good for you.
Yeah, I mean, that's crazythough, um such a different
contrast to like Charlie and Ishare a very like closer
relationship with the plan withour mom, like we share it openly
with her.

Speaker 3 (13:25):
So I love that.
I'm jealous yeah.

Speaker 1 (13:28):
So I guess like, um, we bond over it.
So I find, yeah, that isinteresting to chat with you,
Just a difference in culture.

Speaker 3 (13:32):
I should just get my mom high.

Speaker 1 (13:34):
I think I'm just gonna make her like a cannabis
tea Like a tea Two milligramsyeah.

Speaker 3 (13:39):
Or like um like a cannabis infused chili oil
noodle.
So it's like a little Asian,you know, and then she'll be
like, oh, it's so good, and thenshe just gets a little gigolo.

Speaker 1 (13:46):
A little gigolo.
A great time with you, yeah.

Speaker 3 (13:48):
I thought about that.
Cause she's crazy anxiety.
Okay, she could benefit from acannabis edible once in a while.
And I don't know, we'll see.

Speaker 2 (13:58):
We'll see.
I'll give you guys posted itOne day.
Maybe they'll come around andbe ready for that.
But that's, that's cool, that'swild.
Um, I do appreciate that,though you also mentioned
something there.
Um, they don't like alcohol.
You've kind of been big on that, as far as I know, about being
like hey, you know, less alcoholis a good thing.
I think we use a great gatewayto that.

(14:18):
Um, do you kind of see weed aslike the next I don't know
transformation of theanti-alcohol movement?

Speaker 3 (14:26):
Yeah, how?
How I think about this topic ofalcohol versus cannabis.
It's not about switching onefor the other, because they're
very different.

Speaker 1 (14:35):
Right.

Speaker 3 (14:36):
I think we need to bring it back that, like
cannabis can also be medical anda lot of people don't think
like alcohol is not medical.
Yeah, is that my isopropylalcohol when you clean your
wounds, right?
So I think there's thatdistinct and I think some people
are like, oh, you're justswitching from alcohol to weed
and that's just like anotherdrop, whatever, right?
So I kind of want to just callup that distinction.
Um I my relationship withalcohol.

(14:58):
I used to drink a fuck ton,like a lot.
Like I said, party Thursday,friday, saturday, sunday.

Speaker 1 (15:03):
Damn.

Speaker 3 (15:04):
Like you know, I went to a party university.
You know it's just like Toronto.
Culture is also like that too,like it's a very big ongoing oh
drinking, yeah, and um, uh,three, four years ago I was like
this is just not serving me,like I would be hungover, I
wouldn't be able to work out, myskin wasn't good, I didn't feel
good about my body.
I just was waking up, lethargic, just like everything was like

(15:26):
negative about drinking alcoholfor me personally.
Right, obviously, some peoplehave a great relationship.
They have one cocktail, theyvibe out with their friends.
It's amazing, um, but I justfelt that it wasn't serving me
anymore.
Um, whereas with cannabis it wasmaking a positive impact on my
life.
Right, there was no negativerepercussions from consuming.
I wasn't hurting anybody, Iwasn't hurting myself, I wasn't

(15:46):
hurting anything.
I was improving my lifestyle.
I was sleeping earlier, Ididn't have insomnia anymore.
I'd be able to wake up at 5amand go lift weights.
Um, I'd be able to havepost-workout recovery on my
muscles.
Like it was just all thesepositive benefits and like, if
something is working for you andgood, you know, maybe pause and
be like, oh, maybe there's areason why this is working for
me, right, obviously, it'sdifferent for everyone.
Some people can't do cannabis,and that's totally okay.

(16:08):
It's because everybody's bodyis different, right, um so?

Speaker 2 (16:12):
Yeah, yeah.
I went about three months, evennot smoking weed.
It's like anything, it's.
You just got to find what thebalance is right, or Everything
that likes balance Right.

Speaker 3 (16:23):
Like even with like junk food, like not going to eat
McDonald's every day, right,but once in a while it's okay.
It's about balance, right?

Speaker 1 (16:28):
So Enjoy it, don't worry about it as long as it's
not yeah.
Oh, I guess we can talk aboutthe actual I did.
Our friend Walker um did acollaboration.
We had a Woody Nelson on acouple of episodes a day.
There is a.
It's a two gram pre-roll.
This is the first um hashholder market in Canada.
I know they're pretty popularin like um, the U S and stuff

(16:51):
like that.
Have you ever had a hash?

Speaker 3 (16:53):
When they put the hash in a hole.

Speaker 1 (16:55):
The rosin in yeah.
The rosin goes is like.
Like is a big cylinder in thecenter of the joint.
Okay, so it's been hand handrolled with a glass tip.
There's one and a half grams offlour and half a gram of
librazine in this thing.

Speaker 3 (17:09):
Oh, wow.

Speaker 1 (17:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (17:10):
We're going to have to give it a shot.

Speaker 1 (17:12):
We won't wait until the third segment, though,
because I feel like we shouldget through the second one.

Speaker 3 (17:15):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (17:16):
That's a good idea, maybe something a little more
popular.

Speaker 3 (17:20):
Well, it's, it's infused.
Well, there's the.
How much do you see, Is it?

Speaker 1 (17:24):
like 45, 48?
We're looking at 38.

Speaker 3 (17:26):
Okay, oh, let's talk, okay 38 and the terpenes are 4%
.

Speaker 1 (17:30):
It's not distillate, though.
Okay, thank God At least itsays to solve, unless you.
And it's all organic plantmaterial in there.

Speaker 3 (17:35):
Okay, what's the?
Do we know the paper Like?
What is it?

Speaker 2 (17:38):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (17:40):
Are you?

Speaker 2 (17:40):
big on.
Let's take a look Paper.
You're specific about paper.

Speaker 3 (17:43):
I just like simple, like I don't do blunts Like, for
example like no blunts.

Speaker 1 (17:46):
Okay, on bleach.
Should be preferable kind ofthing.

Speaker 3 (17:49):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (17:51):
Oh, oh, oh, that's a that's a joint.

Speaker 3 (17:54):
Oh wow, that's a fatty joint.

Speaker 1 (17:55):
That's a joint, that's fire.
That's really cool, it's gotthis really cool like cylinder.
That's how you would roll that.

Speaker 3 (18:03):
Oh, wow.

Speaker 1 (18:03):
Wow, shout out to Terence Lee.
I believe he's the personbehind this brand.
It's called jelly J-E-L-L-E-E.

Speaker 3 (18:12):
Wait, we can sell two grams now.

Speaker 1 (18:14):
I'm not sure.
Is it technically?
This is a medical product.
I guess I got it from Mendo.
Oh, okay, if that may sound,you can go up to two grams, but
I think you'll have to do it.

Speaker 2 (18:20):
It's just up to a thousand milligrams.
Wow, it smells really good.

Speaker 1 (18:24):
A thousand milligrams in the pre-roll.
Yeah, yeah yeah, okay, that's aproper joint We'll get to that
later, I guess Very interesting.

Speaker 2 (18:31):
I've never seen that brand, I don't know much about
it.

Speaker 1 (18:34):
We also are going to do a quick update.
We actually had our soil to oilfinally completed, so the flour
we made we gave to Bam fromCarmel.
He's their hash maker and wemade this temple ball.
I guess that's what it says.

Speaker 3 (18:49):
Oh, I saw him post a video the other day of him
making stuff.
I was like this process is longas shit, Isn't?
That crazy Like is he like athree-day?

Speaker 1 (18:56):
process.
Oh, my goodness, we got itright in our hash.
So there you go.
Oh yeah, I saw that video.
Yeah, there you go.
So he made a bubble hash andthen we pressed it together and
that's our temple ball thatwe're aging.

Speaker 2 (19:05):
So you make a lot of the butter and stuff from your
infusions like from scratch.

Speaker 3 (19:09):
I make all of it.
Yeah, Sometimes I like doinghash infused butter.

Speaker 2 (19:12):
A little different.
Yeah, it's really nice yeah, Iwas thinking about that with
that.

Speaker 1 (19:16):
We'll send you some home with some for sure Little
goodie bag.

Speaker 3 (19:19):
I'll make some butter and then I'll mix banana bread
out of it and bring it here.

Speaker 2 (19:22):
Is it banana bread, your favorite janky recipe?

Speaker 3 (19:24):
Yeah, banana bread, because it's foolproof.
You can bake it for as long asyou want and it'll still be good
, or you can.

Speaker 2 (19:30):
Next best janky recipe.
Yeah, what's the next one?

Speaker 3 (19:34):
Chili oil noodles literally.
Chili oil, noodles Fire Infusedchili oil and then with ramen
noodles or like udon orsomething.

Speaker 1 (19:40):
Fire.
Yeah, when can we find you,Anna?
Quickly before we come back,we're going to take a quick
break At Canabinistaco onInstagram.

Speaker 3 (19:46):
Canabinista on TikTok .
The Canabinista on YouTubeTheCanabinistacom just
Canabinista, anything.

Speaker 1 (19:51):
Oh, give her a follow , guys.
Follow us at higher orbit andshe will be right back.
Welcome back, welcome back Backat the shop with Anna Lee
TheCanabinista, content creator.

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What did we try Was that NalaFarms, nala Farms Shout out to
Nala Farms.
They sent us Wicked Weed.
We love getting free weed itwas tasty.
It was very tasty, right?
Yeah, we had a lot of fun atthis location.

Speaker 3 (20:23):
It's like smiley smiling a lot more.

Speaker 1 (20:24):
Yeah, it's got to be a chatty freak.
Yeah, I definitely don't feelapprehensive and I feel calm and
relaxed and ready to podcast.

Speaker 2 (20:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (20:31):
Yeah, doing anything in this industry takes a leap of
faith, persistence.
Those in the industry alreadydeal with negative stigma and
industry rivalry and normalcompetitive landscape at higher
orbit and cosmic Charlize.
Our driving principle is thateveryone is welcome.
Uh, we're here to understandthat all of your success has

(20:52):
been welcomed, dana.
I guess along with 500,000followers also come some haters,
I guess.

Speaker 3 (20:57):
Yeah, every day Right .

Speaker 1 (21:00):
And I guess that's normal.
And I guess, like just remembereverybody that like with the
good comes the bad right, that'snormal, it's expected.

Speaker 3 (21:06):
It's almost like part of like the job description.
Like, hey, if you put yourselfonline, you're going to get hate
.
Please sign here and accept it.
Like yeah.

Speaker 2 (21:14):
Well, yeah, I think Sean was getting serious there.
We don't, we can get a littleserious, I think I thought of a
serious note.

Speaker 1 (21:19):
Yeah, you know, it's weird.

Speaker 2 (21:20):
Just yeah, I mean what?
What do you want to share theexact words?
You know like someone wasdiscriminatory.
I'm sure it happens often.
Like you said you were like oh,it happens all the time.

Speaker 3 (21:30):
But yeah, I mean there's like different types of
negative comments.
Obviously, cannabis in itselfis already such a taboo topic,
so people obviously just hate oncannabis consumers in general,
without even knowing if thisperson is for medical or record,
and then there's obviouslygoing to be, you know, hate
comments or like creepy people,obviously.
But I get a lot of actuallylike racist comments as well.

Speaker 2 (21:52):
Brutal.

Speaker 3 (21:52):
It's just like so whack.
It's like why is racism still athing?
Like it's literally just sowhack of like your anyways.

Speaker 1 (21:58):
Ignorant, uneducated, unfortunately.

Speaker 3 (22:00):
Racist is one of those things that I don't
understand because it justdoesn't make sense to me.
But unfortunately I have todeal with that.
And yeah, yeah, I got this likesuper nasty message I would say
like maybe a lot end of lastyear or something like that Um,
where it was basically sayingsomething like um, I don't even
know what I posted on myself,but they probably just responded

(22:22):
to like one of my stories andthey were like um, get your, you
and your Chinese colleagues outof this industry, you fucking
cunt.
And then some other word Wowand um.
I think that was like the firstcomment I ever got.
That was like oh shit, that'sactually really rude.
Like I was like cause normallyI like see hate comments.
I'm like whatever, block thelead, whatever.
But this one was like kind ofshook me off guard, because I

(22:45):
guess the fact that like theysaid Chinese and they were like
really directing it to me andlike I don't know, no one really
ever asked like talks about myrace on my platform.
So I'm like why does it matter?
Like what I am, you know what Imean.

Speaker 1 (22:55):
Drogatory towards being a woman too, at the
seaward.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,yeah, yeah yeah.

Speaker 3 (23:00):
Yeah, I mean, I think it's kind of like the way you
were already in cannabis.
It's already such, like youknow, like a tough industry.
We cannabis people should juststick together, Like you know,
and I think the amount ofpositive messages that I got

(23:23):
from showing the negative waskind of nice to see that like.
Okay though, there's still goodpeople in this world, there's
just this one fucking idiot faraway that yeah, yeah, that's
good to hear.

Speaker 2 (23:31):
Yeah, I like to think that there's less and less, but
then you have like theseelections that happen and you're
like, oh my God, but I don'tknow, I don't know, I've never
heard of that.
That just has no stand foranything that we believe in.
It's just so weird and weed,which I think connects people
and almost is like a little lovepotion in a way.

Speaker 3 (23:52):
Yeah, I mean, sometimes people are very
dogmatic too in the weed worldyou know, like, for example,
like, if you know, I feel likethere's like an unspoken word of
those people who are likestoners.
It's like you just respect eachother in a way.
It's like a quiet way.
It's like I respect you.
It's like because you smokeweed and you just kind of have
that instant bond.
But sometimes I see a lot ofhate within the cannabis
community themselves.
Like, like, if I post a floweror or or joint or something and

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I'm smoking it, someone willcomment and be like, oh, that's
not premium flower.
Or like, criticizing thethought oh, you only do
pre-rolls.
Like people who are hating itwithin weed.
It's like what?
Like we're on the same team.
Why are we fighting?

Speaker 1 (24:28):
Like that's it, no, and it's so weird.

Speaker 2 (24:31):
It's bad juju.

Speaker 1 (24:32):
I always said that and that's why we created Cosmic
.
Charlie is the way that we did,because we always felt that
weed is like a safe space safespace for everybody and it's not
you to judge somebody else forhow they want to consume we all
consume it, but there's a lot ofjudgment of how people consume
it, there is and it's like oh,your dose is so little.

Speaker 3 (24:48):
Oh, that's all you smoke.
It's like what.
I have my own personal toilet.
Like preferences, like whycan't we all just like have a
different relationship each withwith cannabis?
It doesn't have to be like aone size fits.

Speaker 1 (24:58):
It shouldn't be a one size fits all and you should
have fun, and I do anyways, andthat's why I enjoy this job and
I know Charlie does too.
He's like just teaching peopleand like, and doing it in a way
that doesn't have to be liketalking down to them and like oh
, you don't know how to dab, youdon't know that you need to
adapt to, and all of thesethings, and you know it's like
that doesn't get anybody Highand mighty yeah.

(25:18):
Right, I think that, like yousaid it, just, it doesn't really
have a place in the future ofcannabis.
Anyways, I think it's an oldmentality.
Yeah, I guess.

Speaker 2 (25:29):
Hopefully you get more positive feedback than
those.
Yeah, no definitely do.

Speaker 3 (25:32):
I get like obviously the community is really good,
like that's another thing.

Speaker 2 (25:35):
Sorry, I was just like shitting on the cannabis
community, not shitting on thecannabis community but saying
like how to do a negative, no, Ido around, I feel you, that is.

Speaker 3 (25:42):
But there's also a lot of people who are really
loving and, like I've had, somepeople have been following me
since like day one when I waslike making those like video,
like first round of videos.
There is a loving community aswell within cannabis and it's
nice when you find those peopleand, yeah, Very cool, thank you.

Speaker 1 (25:59):
What.
I'm just gonna ask you, likeyou shop here and what do you
look for in products?
I guess we've kind of touchedon this a little bit, but I just
figured I like chatting withyou about, yeah, what you look
for and what, like, what areyour favorites right now?

Speaker 3 (26:13):
When I look at products.
Yeah, I definitely go to theedibles and drink section first.

Speaker 1 (26:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (26:18):
I'm not gonna line.
I probably go to the fridgefirst, okay, and then Look at
that, probably pick out one ortwo drinks.
That's like the, the base ordergot it.
Okay, then we go over to likethe edibles.
I'm more on the soft chew side.
Okay, I'll be honest, I don'tknow.
I don't really like thechocolate stuff that much.

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I think I just rather eat realchocolate or like actual
confectionary chocolate lesspopular?

Speaker 2 (26:43):
I would say is it yeah?

Speaker 3 (26:44):
Yeah, they are yeah, I like specialty snacks,
sometimes like once in a while,like those are cool, but I will.
I'll never buy it again becauseit's not like I.
Really enjoy the holiday.
We have these roasted pecans.

Speaker 1 (26:56):
They're like a salty sweet spicy there is so.

Speaker 2 (26:59):
They call them D's nuts.

Speaker 1 (27:01):
They did call them holiday D's, they're so, but
they sold well and I thought itwas a good one and yeah, at
least it was.
It was just pecans, right witha little bit of a sugary coating
, I mean, I guess it was just alittle bit.
I had some CBD in it.
Yeah, you like trying the?

Speaker 2 (27:14):
gimmick.

Speaker 3 (27:15):
What's a while what's been your favorites like.

Speaker 2 (27:17):
I don't have favorites, again mix, I don't
like I saw like a what's themost useful?
You make recipes.

Speaker 3 (27:22):
None of them were useful.

Speaker 2 (27:23):
No.

Speaker 3 (27:24):
There needs to be a get like a cannabis oil.
Okay all cooking, olive oil orcannabis butter.

Speaker 2 (27:30):
I'm not a boil.
Might be, there is an olive oil, but it's 10 milligram max.
Yeah right.

Speaker 1 (27:37):
This $20 olive oil like and it just makes it so
much easier.
Just do it at home, yeah, likeit doesn't make any sense.
We actually recently we'retalking about a- salad dressing
the salad dressing bottle ofwine.

Speaker 3 (27:47):
There's a salad dressing.
There is a salad.
I saw the wine.
The wine one was actuallyinteresting.
It was only $20.

Speaker 2 (27:53):
I'm tempted to get it just for the.
It's strange it's not gonna bearound.
That's an item.
Me and Sean sometimes were likethat will be gone.

Speaker 3 (27:59):
Yeah, never coming back.
Yeah, you guys were great.

Speaker 2 (28:03):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah I'm intrigued by it.

Speaker 1 (28:05):
Yeah, we can order it , just so I can get one.
I think so, I think it's onlyfour pack or six pack?

Speaker 2 (28:09):
Let's do it.
No, it's more than that.

Speaker 3 (28:10):
I'm like curious about it.

Speaker 2 (28:12):
All right 20 bucks for the settles.
Okay, we're bringing it in forAnna, if you didn't know.

Speaker 1 (28:16):
We do that at Cosmic Charlie.
So there you got a good pointto touch on that.
Do you think it would pair likewhat?
Would that pair with somecheese?

Speaker 3 (28:23):
Yeah, probably not.
It's probably just like Verygood, I was going to say
probably really sweet.

Speaker 1 (28:28):
I'm gonna guess it's a little sweet.

Speaker 3 (28:29):
Yeah, we're being judgmental right now.
Yeah, let's give it a chance,all right, yeah.

Speaker 2 (28:33):
Yeah, I'm not a fan of gimmick items.
Whenever Sean's like let's getit, I'm like, no, absolutely not
.
It's like I was gonna sit therefor nine months.
I'm gonna eat them all, becausewhat would you do?
Yeah, yeah yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (28:52):
I know that you you keep like an association more
towards like healthier things.
What do you say in yourinfusions?

Speaker 3 (28:57):
I try to.
I guess healthy is acomplicated word but like I like
to make it simple and like,just like no filler ingredients,
I like no unnecessaryIngredients.
That's kind of how I make myrecipes, but then also thinking
like, what would an averageperson have at home that they
don't need to go to the grocerystore for, let's say?

Speaker 1 (29:15):
let me rephrase that.
I'm gonna say like let'sprocess, no, I guess that's kind
of more like.

Speaker 3 (29:22):
Like simple, natural, wholesome ingredients.
Like I want to know what'sgoing to my body and what's it
gonna do.

Speaker 1 (29:27):
Yeah, yeah, bam nailed it.

Speaker 3 (29:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (29:30):
When you're like having friends over something,
so you're obviously not likereaching for a bottle of wine.
Do you like to make likerecipes and your friends like,
yeah, let's try some.
Like.

Speaker 3 (29:40):
Yes, I'm definitely like the weed mama, because a
lot of my friends aren't dailyconsumers.
So they're like once in a bluemoon people and they're like, oh
my god, we got so much powercoming your place because you
guys so ripped, because theydon't really do it, and then
some of them actually startedconsuming.
It's kind of one's gonna bad,but like some of it.

(30:01):
Yeah, but they were like, oh, Ireally like it, just like a 2.5
milligram edible and I havelike a night to myself and I'm
like, oh yeah, like it'sdifferent, right, she's like
yeah, it's just really funhearing about non cannabis daily
users experiences.
And when they have good, becauseyou're kind of like yes.

Speaker 2 (30:17):
Yeah, yeah, those early times, yeah, it's like
more introverted then yeah, butI do like Like at my last.

Speaker 3 (30:25):
I hosted something for for my friends.
Like over the holidays, I stillhave an alcohol section for
them so that they can enjoy, butthen I'll also have cannabis
infused like mocktails Joins,obviously.
I really I like the mock andthen the student glass that I
bring that and it's like Reallycool.

Speaker 1 (30:45):
I know you're wrote like smashing down the stigma
and all that stuff.
What are your thoughts on yourcurrent the current state of the
cannabis legalization aroundthe world?

Speaker 3 (30:55):
Oh god, oh, I heard, germany is legalizing April.

Speaker 1 (31:06):
Okay, I think so it's already medical there.
I know that we export a lotthere.

Speaker 3 (31:11):
Yeah, I think they're one of the biggest.

Speaker 2 (31:14):
Importers of Canadian cannabis.
I believe, yeah, we chop leadto Germany, yeah, yeah we do,
and then I think, so Thailand.

Speaker 3 (31:21):
Apparently they're trying to go backwards and
Unreliq D.
Reverse the legalization.

Speaker 1 (31:29):
Wow, which is crazy, yeah, because I heard it's been
a really good influx of liketourism for them.

Speaker 2 (31:34):
That's why you gotta go check it out before they, I'm
literally gonna be there in twoweeks yeah.

Speaker 3 (31:40):
Yeah so excited because if they'd go for their
verse it.
Yeah, like get there, get somecontent.

Speaker 1 (31:46):
Yeah it's pretty good .
All right, I think it's hit ormiss the co.
I guess you're gonna let usknow.

Speaker 3 (31:50):
I feel like it's like one of those places where you
have to like you know, you knowKind of thing like you probably
have to get the fire, so we'llsee and I feel like you do a lot
of Canada tourism.

Speaker 1 (32:00):
I know I like to do that too.
Is it something that you lookfor when you're like traveling,
I guess?

Speaker 3 (32:06):
Yes and no.
I feel like I kind of look atlike which countries have I not
been to on the map?
And then, if they just sohappen to be legalized and I'm
like, yes, you are number onechoice or if there's somewhere
you can do a little like layoverright for a couple days On the
way.

Speaker 1 (32:18):
That's always fun.

Speaker 3 (32:18):
I feel like it's just also.
I want to see how their cultureis and how it's different than
ours.
Like I love comparing, like,like, even just like the US, for
example, like seeing the.

Speaker 1 (32:29):
Right.

Speaker 3 (32:29):
Yeah, I was recently in Chicago and just comparing
their retail experience was sortof like like it's so bad.
It's not like it was just likevery stale and it was.
I went to like a couple.
I guess you would say likechain style Spensaries there,
and it was just very like okay,you stand here, now Go look at
this product here.

(32:50):
Okay, okay, goodbye likechecking IDs of the door and you
feel like you're kind of goinginto some weird, yeah, and then
you can't most stores are janky,yeah, and then it was just like
and I could only order throughthe bartender on the iPad, but I
can't look at the productmyself.
So then we're hovering together, looking over the shoulder.
I was like this is awkward.
I'm like can I see the productelsewhere?

(33:11):
He's like nope, just here.
And I'm like okay, and we'relike this close.

Speaker 1 (33:15):
So they force you to look at a tablet, but you're not
allowed to look at productsaround.

Speaker 3 (33:20):
So everything displayed, so in order to get
the whole Look at it no.
And then he wouldn't let me getthe whole the iPad in my own
hands either.
So I was like, okay, that'sawkward.

Speaker 2 (33:28):
They just Slow to.

Speaker 3 (33:33):
But then this other shop had a kiosk which was,
which was nice.
Yeah, we can't have that eitheroh that's not allowed here.
Right, kiosk check out.

Speaker 2 (33:40):
Okay not yet.
Anyways, oh, I guess you couldknow you can have it.
We just can't like it can'tserve you, we can't be like a
machine.
Yeah, yeah, I would be like.

Speaker 3 (33:50):
That's so like futuristic.
Imagine a robot serving youeventually.

Speaker 2 (33:56):
All kinds of jobs they can.

Speaker 3 (34:06):
I guess it'll be like you and you yeah like a robot.
Metal versions.

Speaker 1 (34:12):
But you know, like those little cubes and that's
like the, I don't know, theylook futuristic and they're like
I don't like that.
Seven or something.
You know your orders.

Speaker 3 (34:24):
My favorite I love Paulie.
Yeah, I really like that.
I've seen it forever.
I'm actually gonna, you know,I'm gonna watch this weekend.
It's cute, why not?
It was really wholesome right,very wholesome.

Speaker 2 (34:34):
What are like?
Some fun product like I want to.
I don't know we should inventsome, some gimmicky products.
What right?
What in mind?
I don't know.
I don't know you're creative.

Speaker 1 (34:45):
Okay, what are products you want to?
What are you products that youwant to see?
A question for you?
Yeah, have you ever?
Thought about like putting outyour own Canada, but you still
in a products.

Speaker 3 (34:53):
Not in this current.
Like the setup costs and thereturn and the margins are not,
it's not worth the while.

Speaker 1 (35:03):
I'm sorry.
No, I guess I just thought likeI'm not surprised, like I guess
you had, and you did the mathlike, nah, no, I did the math
and it's.

Speaker 3 (35:12):
It would be out of passion, but I Feel like
obviously have a very strongmarketing platform and a
community platform, so thatwould help.
But I think just overall likenot any time soon.

Speaker 1 (35:25):
Yeah, you need the taxes to come down.

Speaker 3 (35:26):
Yeah it's just changes yeah um yeah that makes
sense, yeah, and like lessrestrictions on like packaging
and stuff, like I wanted to makepeople know that that's the can
of an Easter bottle, forexample.
If I was to make a beverage,you know it would be a certain
shape or like a style, like whatwere some of the favorite, like
edible packages that you saw inthe states recent trip.
None of them are like that nice,like there was the Kiva ones I

(35:48):
got.
Yeah, keep us like they were inCanada, but they're only still
there.

Speaker 1 (35:52):
I think I've seen it.
I have like the really nicefont and the different.
I think I saw your story.

Speaker 3 (35:56):
That was nice, I have the tin can stuff.

Speaker 1 (35:58):
I like that Um you can altos yeah.

Speaker 3 (36:00):
Yeah, I can altos and then, but it was cantaloupe a
honey or honey.
Illinois oh yeah, Chicago, yeahthey have a 30% tax on cannabis
and the higher the THC, thehigher the percentage was
similar.

Speaker 1 (36:15):
Yeah, I think they get tax higher here, but that
still sucks.
I know everything's in Americandollars.

Speaker 3 (36:19):
I can't imagine.
Yeah, so that hurts.
Yeah, I did the math.
I did like, yeah, we did themath.

Speaker 2 (36:24):
Actually, the weed decent though.

Speaker 3 (36:26):
Um, it's expensive.
Yeah, there was like.
The thing is like I don't knowbecause I haven't had enough, to
say, you know, but from what Ihad, it was good, it was
comparable, yeah, yeah and Ithink you did.

Speaker 1 (36:37):
You saw a collaboration with some other
contact creators.

Speaker 3 (36:40):
Yes, I guess in everybody's.
I haven't seen them yet.
Okay, you sure they're funny,they're like meme dudes.
So literally I knew that theywere from Chicago and I was like
hey, they're pretty much areally big following, like.
They're, like, literally knownfor like you know memes and
stuff.
And then, yeah, I was like, hey, let's film some like meme
content, because it's like kindof me branching into another
Sector that people don'tnormally see me doing is like

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meme content.

Speaker 1 (37:03):
I thought it was fun.

Speaker 3 (37:03):
It was a little stepping kind of your comfort
zone of that yeah and then weliterally like I met these guys
the first time strangers,content creators, okay, two guys
and me and it was a fuckingblast.
They were such fucking dopedudes.
We were like literally we werepuffing on the puff co.
We also took me to eat Chicagopizza afterwards.
We literally filmed content forlike five hours on a Friday

(37:24):
night.
We finished at 10 pm.
We're like, oh my god, we'vegot to eat.

Speaker 1 (37:27):
Like and that was more fun, yeah, but it's having
fun, so it was really good.

Speaker 3 (37:30):
That's amazing yeah we did like little skits and
stuff.
Like doing meme stuff is fun,but it's like kind of awkward,
but then it's really fun to do.

Speaker 1 (37:36):
Yeah, I guess it's always.
Does that leave a faith?
You'd only ever like chattedwith these people, like online,
and then you meet them in personand it's so nice when, like it
just works out.
I think that's the best to do.
Good collabs like that.

Speaker 2 (37:45):
Yeah that's sick.

Speaker 1 (37:46):
Yeah that's fun and yeah, there, would you do it
again and did you approach themor did it?

Speaker 3 (37:50):
I approach them.
Yeah, I'm very likeopportunists.
I'm like, okay, like you know,let me do something with them,
and like I've reached out topeople a lot, I guess cuz I just
put myself out there, cuz I'mlike, why not?
They're not gonna ask me to doit, I'm gonna ask them.

Speaker 1 (38:02):
You know, it's the worst that can happen.
Yeah, yeah but.

Speaker 3 (38:04):
I definitely do want to do more, just like finding
the right people.
I will be doing something inMay when I go down to LA.
There's a huge like LA cannabisfood Culture scene there, so
hopefully I can do some workthere as well.

Speaker 2 (38:17):
Look forward to like infuse, like kitchen foods, like
stuff like that in LA.

Speaker 3 (38:22):
Yeah, and they have a lot of cannabis lounges and
things like that.
They have like a like a creatorcommunity.
I guess that like do cannabisinfused stuff, so yeah, like
establishments, like they havesome.

Speaker 2 (38:35):
Yeah, they have like the Woody Harrelson one.
We're talking about it.
Yeah, tough, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (38:40):
Yeah, I'm back to California since legalization.
I look forward to it.
What did you think of the blackcherry soda?
Do we already go over that?

Speaker 3 (38:47):
No, I don't think we went through this one.
No it was good.
I liked it.

Speaker 1 (38:50):
You have a favorite.

Speaker 3 (38:50):
If you had a big one, Um, I think I would go with
probably the black cherry blackcherry.

Speaker 2 (38:54):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah they're both
great.

Speaker 1 (38:57):
I liked what the terrain did for sure.

Speaker 2 (38:59):
I like them both as well.

Speaker 3 (39:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (39:00):
I'm not gonna have to , though that's a Sean maneuver.

Speaker 3 (39:04):
Yeah, did you have to know, no, no no, no.

Speaker 1 (39:11):
Soon.
On that note, we'll be rightback soon with Anna Camisa.
Welcome back, or back at ahigher orbit with with Anna Lee,
the Canada Bonista.
We just smoked a hash holeFight.
The recipe was in there.

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Oh, canadian legal hash holeanyways.
And if people don't know, whata hash hole is oh well, why is
it the first one?
What took so long?
That's a good question.

Speaker 3 (39:39):
I think because they're kind of like what took
so long?

Speaker 1 (39:42):
that's a good question, I think, because
they're expensive and because ittakes there's a lot of hands in
the pie.

Speaker 3 (39:48):
Yeah, yeah, I see because, somebody had to make
the rosin.

Speaker 1 (39:50):
Yeah, somebody had to grow the flower.
Yeah, which were our friends atWoody Nelson.
I think they did both of thosethings for for Terrence and then
he Took those things and handrolled them Into his first
release of a hash hole which isunder the jelly brand.
It's like J E L E.
It's kind of cute.
It was like pink.
Um, interesting that I haven'tdo a bit it was good.

(40:14):
I'm pretty reps.
I definitely was, so I wanted ahalf grams of flour with half a
gram of rainbow driver rawflower Rosin yes.
I thought it tasted really goodlike fairness.
Skittles, kind of orangey, butit did kind of tickle my nose a
bit and the little tickle, alittle tickle.

(40:34):
We were saying, I think yeahyou find that you so certain
terms kind of give you anallergic reaction.
Yeah, I'm a better guess her.

Speaker 3 (40:41):
Yeah, I guess it's like the car off, I'm camp, I
don't sit care filing.

Speaker 2 (40:44):
That's one no reaction.

Speaker 3 (40:46):
Oh it's like itchy itchy and it makes me like
bothers me not pleasant.
You avoid those screens but Idon't avoid, but I just deal
with it.
Yeah, yeah, I sometimes get arash too.
I feel like I'm definitelyallergic to some terms.

Speaker 1 (40:58):
Yeah, certain ones, yeah yeah, I find that, like
linaloo, I really don't enjoy,like it irritates me and stuff,
but I do like the effects.
Yeah so I guess I continue toconsume it.
But I feel like you know thatsucker it's like when you eat
hot sauce.

Speaker 3 (41:11):
I guess, to compare it, you know you like the burn
like oh, hey, hey, but you keepputting more.

Speaker 1 (41:18):
Yeah right, I thought it was good.
Anyways, what, um?
What's up next for the can ofanista?

Speaker 3 (41:24):
Oh, Lots, lots, lots Um.
The next big thing for me isgoing to be my event on 420.
I'm hopes thing a Really bigcannabis consumer event in
Toronto on 420.
So that's gonna be reallyexciting.
And for people who want to hearall about it, just subscribe to
my newsletter at the can ofanista comm.
Okay, I send all like eventsand stuff like that to my

(41:46):
community first and Kind ofgetting like first dibs, but
it's basically a can of anistacarnival, a celebration of all
cannabis culture on 420.
It's gonna be a crazyactivation.

Speaker 1 (41:56):
Oh, that's a lot of fun.
Yeah, I guess a location to beannounced.

Speaker 3 (42:00):
It will be taking place at the chronic house in
Toronto.
Oh, okay, yeah, yeah, okay.

Speaker 1 (42:03):
I think that yeah for the rest of the info, subscribe
to the newsletter.
Yeah, that sounds like a lot offun and carnival theme in the
sense like cotton candy and likethat kind of vibe yeah like
jugglers and stuff.

Speaker 3 (42:14):
Oh no, not jugglers.
I don't know why I've beenjugglers, jugglers.
It's funny just like a carnivalvibe.
You know where you kind of likego to little stations and, like
you know, win games and yeah,I'm bizarre.

Speaker 2 (42:24):
Yeah, yeah, market.
Yeah, okay, that sounds fun.

Speaker 1 (42:27):
Yeah, that an outdoor space indoor and outdoor indoor
and I feel like Hopefully it'swarm, because I'm gonna be
better be warm in a bit isn't.

Speaker 3 (42:36):
I'm gonna get outdoor heaters there smart yeah, so
that people still feel the vibes.
You know cuz I feel like ifyour temperature is not right,
you're bothered.

Speaker 2 (42:44):
You know I can bother you.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it'll be warmthough.

Speaker 3 (42:47):
Just like right here, it's cool Fuck in this room.
I'm kidding, yeah it is.

Speaker 1 (42:53):
How many tickets are available?
How much do they cost?

Speaker 3 (42:56):
I don't have those, yeah but that's something to
look forward to.
I mean, that's three or threemonths away from four, three and
a half months away from.

Speaker 1 (43:02):
You have lots of time .

Speaker 3 (43:03):
I love the time, but I plan quite far ahead.

Speaker 2 (43:05):
Getting, yeah, getting ahead of it, that makes
sense.
Yeah, we would love to do anevent.
It's been a long time.

Speaker 3 (43:11):
It's hard to balance all that stuff a lot of work to
do an event and event is likeanother full-time job, like when
I had my event in November.
It was Just a lot of work.

Speaker 2 (43:20):
Yeah, you seem efficient, though in the way you
approach it like.

Speaker 3 (43:24):
Yeah, I have.
You're saying you got to keeplike a yeah, I have to be like
very diligent with like trackingand things like that, so that
I'm holding myself kind ofaccountable.

Speaker 2 (43:33):
Yeah, that's really cool.
Processes and stuff.
Yeah, what I think it's cool,it's great from a business
standpoint.
It's right.
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (43:41):
I'm just laughing.
You got your eyes.

Speaker 1 (43:52):
Like now you're doing this full-time and I like is
there like stuff in the cannabisindustry You'd like to see less
of?
And like how do you think wemove this thing forward?

Speaker 3 (44:01):
less red tape everyone around, I would say
across, like Brands, like forconsumers, for retailers, just
less red tape overall to likeadvance the industry.
Another one that I'm startingto run into is cannabis and
banking in Canada.
The fact that none of the bigholy fuck like you're literally
a bank You're literally aCanadian bank where cannabis is

(44:23):
legalized federally and you'renot supporting some businesses
because they are related toLicense tax-paying cannabis
brands.

Speaker 1 (44:31):
Yeah, I think you'd be best off not telling anybody
you're a cannabis contrary.
I'd just be like I'm just acontact creator, you know.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (44:38):
No, but that's what I say.
But like when they, you know,search your information and then
they see I mean on my home pageis a photo of me holding a weed
leaf.

Speaker 2 (44:46):
Right away yeah.

Speaker 3 (44:47):
I mean it's like quite obvious, right, but yeah,
just less red tape.
What else do I want?
To see?
Less of Bad product.
Yeah pretending to be goodproduct.

Speaker 1 (44:58):
Oh, milligram limit.
I feel like, oh, yes, yes amilligram limit.

Speaker 3 (45:01):
That's yes, that's something I want to people that
don't know me and Anna.

Speaker 1 (45:05):
We're recently Named to that board at normal Canada
and it's a good time to plugwhere we're trying to get
signatures To increase themilligram limit Mm-hmm.
Health Canada doesn't want itto happen, but apparently we can
make it happen if we all justsign the signatures.
Yeah and it'll be presented in.

Speaker 2 (45:23):
How's the party?
How many?

Speaker 1 (45:24):
signatures.
Did you guys get right 2800?

Speaker 3 (45:28):
I cannot confirm.

Speaker 1 (45:29):
I can't, but it's approaching there we need more
signatures.

Speaker 3 (45:34):
We need more I probably haven't even signed.

Speaker 2 (45:36):
So there you go.
There's one more.
Do it tonight.

Speaker 3 (45:40):
Tonight.
Everyone watching this rightnow do it tonight.
Do it tonight.
Drop the link in thedescription below.

Speaker 1 (45:45):
Yeah, but I just wanted to take a moment to say
that me and Anna are trying ourbest, and everybody always
complains about that.
So let's do some.
There needs to be more.

Speaker 3 (45:52):
I want to be able to buy a bag of a thousand
milligrams of THC of edibles andjust like put into my mason jar
and like eat it.

Speaker 2 (45:59):
How's it?
Milligrams Wow or like.

Speaker 1 (46:01):
You know what I mean, just like yeah, like I'll go we
even just ten, like rosin headsare only ten each, but yeah, by
a box of ten of them.

Speaker 3 (46:07):
Yeah, like a ten by head.

Speaker 1 (46:07):
Yeah, that'd be nice leaving them like a nice, like
Orioles right, like prettylittle.
Hmm, they kind of have those.
I don't, they don't taste asgood baked goods are good, like
come on.

Speaker 3 (46:21):
I rather just make a real okay.

Speaker 1 (46:24):
I feel like always the best of that yeah.

Speaker 3 (46:28):
Yeah, I feel like I can just make something better.
Yeah, yeah cuz I feel likecannabis edibles in the baked
goods mark baked good segmentkind of tastes like play-doh.
Play-doh straight, play-dohyeah cuz it almost feels like
airplane food.

Speaker 2 (46:39):
It does you know when you get an airplane plane Jolui
, is that what they call it?
Yeah an airplane one.

Speaker 3 (46:44):
They suck.
It's like that kind of vibe,like airplane food.
Wow, I didn't realize do yousee it now?

Speaker 2 (46:50):
airplane Jolui.

Speaker 1 (46:51):
No, I do agree with you and I also feel like are
they taste kind of justoff-brand, like the one that
tastes like a Know like it'ssupposed to taste like an Oreo?
To me tastes like the cheapknockoff Oreo like the dollar
store or something.

Speaker 3 (47:02):
Yeah, I'll agree value.

Speaker 1 (47:04):
Kind of taste like a warehouse or like a weird.
Yeah, I agree with you, that'swhat the plasticine.

Speaker 2 (47:09):
So that's why you gotta make your own recipes and
get them.

Speaker 1 (47:12):
Okay, I'm anista.

Speaker 3 (47:12):
Yeah make your recipes.
It's not that hard.

Speaker 1 (47:14):
It's not that hard.
How do you balance your?
How do you balance your, yourlife of being a content creator?
Now, since it's all just kindof like you it's not like you
don't report to a boss oranything like that Is it nice to

(47:36):
be your own boss.

Speaker 3 (47:37):
Yeah, I mean.

Speaker 1 (47:38):
I do.

Speaker 3 (47:40):
I well?
Yeah, I definitely do, becauseI get to do things that I like
and it's for my own futureequity.
I guess you could say so.
Building on myself and, I guess, making an investment in myself
, that's kind of what it feelslike being my own boss and be my
own content creator.
But obviously you know,everything is dependent on
yourself.
You can only rely on yourselfand if things don't work out

(48:00):
it's because of you, or ifthings do work out because of
you.
So it's like a lot ownershipand I love that you work your
ass off Like let's be honest,like I feel like.

Speaker 1 (48:08):
And I mean that just compliment to you.
But I know that, like my momwas a teacher, and a lot of
people are like I want to befamous on Instagram.
I want to, you know, create afollowing, I want to be an
influencer, all these things,and they don't realize how much
work it is, I feel yeah, it'snot just like the filming, it's
not even just the editing.

Speaker 3 (48:23):
It's like all the business admin, legal
contracting, bookkeeping,pitching you have to do it All.

Speaker 1 (48:29):
right, you do it all.
Yeah, branding your website.

Speaker 3 (48:33):
SEO, all of that like .
That's like a reaching outdoing outreach like you did, you
know.
Yeah, sorry, it's like almostlike your own, like your own
little corporation.
You know you have your your ownHR, your own Marketing, your
own finance, like you do at all.

Speaker 2 (48:48):
Yeah, yeah, I thought I just do you think?
Do you think we'll see like anyease up on Regulation of like
your content, specificallybecause I was thinking it's so
clever the way you have to docertain things.

Speaker 3 (49:01):
What do you mean?
Oh yeah, like do you think?

Speaker 2 (49:03):
do you think we'll see that like?
Is that a Just like?

Speaker 1 (49:05):
never gonna happen.
He's here to talk with the planon Instagram.
Oh that's ease up.

Speaker 3 (49:09):
That's what you mean.
What's the plot platform?

Speaker 1 (49:14):
like, like you know you get Like.
And how did you get on shadowband?
Because they feel like for acertain period, there I'm, you
were like you were taking yourshit down, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (49:21):
Yeah, yeah, that happens like all.
Like sometimes I feel like italways happens around, like when
there's like politicalmovements in the US really.
Yeah, cuz I think last time itwas like around 420 and last
time was around something JoeBiden.
And then I would noticewhenever something about
cannabis in the news.

Speaker 1 (49:35):
That's interesting.

Speaker 3 (49:35):
It would Somehow, people would start getting their
account status and stuffchecked.
It was weird.
So I feel like there's sometype of correlation there, right
?
Maybe they've run, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (49:45):
Do you think there was something that you did,
differently though to like?
I don't know, because I feellike you figured out the
Algorithm like well I feel likeit's not really the algorithm.

Speaker 3 (49:52):
I'd say it's just like I pivoted a lot of my
content as well, like, okay,this past year, how I really
grew was, I Would say, doingcontent that was much more
educational and actually lessrecipes.
Interesting, yeah, I would saythat was actually what led to my
growth this year, because inthe past I would only just do
recipe content and I feel likeFor SEO wise people are not

(50:14):
necessarily searching cannabisinfused recipes yet I feel like
that's very far in the future, alittle bit right.
Like, not everyone is, that'snot the norm, cannabis infused
recipes.

Speaker 1 (50:22):
So when getting out of the studio, kind of thing.

Speaker 3 (50:24):
Yeah, and then so this past year, I started
filming more educational content.
So like more like cannabis tips, or like how to Protect your
lungs when you're consumingcannabis and why you should use
a hemp wick, or like this iswhat the you know endokinabinoid
system is, we're like postingmore educational content that's
actually very highly searchable.
Now, that really helped me withmy growth, and obviously

(50:45):
Instagram and TikTok are all.
Seos like Bunget, like engines,right so yeah, cool, that's
what I thought.

Speaker 2 (50:51):
it would be the opposite, to be honest, that's
very cool.

Speaker 3 (50:54):
Like going more viral on recipe videos.
Yeah, yeah, no, I just feellike the guys or sorry, the
people who do cannabis infusedrecipe content right now I see a
lot of them are Popular becausethey're smoking and then just
cooking food have you seen thosevideos?
Okay, yeah, yeah, so they're notinfusing the food, necessarily,
but they're smoking and thenthey're like Cooking talking
about watching some of themaren't even talking, some of

(51:16):
them are just like music and youjust, you're just watching this
guy, or gal smoke weed and thenswitch by Chopping ingredients
and putting all that cool way.

Speaker 1 (51:24):
Yeah, you see them right?
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (51:25):
I personally don't watch that stop, but it's like
pretty cool how there's acommunity just around that
definitely.

Speaker 1 (51:31):
You know, it's amazing.
I Just really hope that I guesswe get less stigmatized and we
can talk about it like I feellike it's really hard for us to
do anything on our higher-orderplatform.

Speaker 2 (51:42):
Yeah, how do you?
Yeah, oh, I know we're shadowband.

Speaker 3 (51:45):
We're shadow band?
I don't know.
I would check your accountstatus.
Well, we can check afterwardsif you're shadow bank, because
I'll just type you in from adifferent account and then see
if you search.
Oh sure, search bar.

Speaker 1 (51:54):
No, I'll fair enough.
I guess I just meant I wastouching on this, the subject
matter of it's sucking that wealways get censored when I
really don't think it's Just notfair.

Speaker 3 (52:02):
It's not because I can get alcohol ads.
Someone got an ozempic ad todayon Instagram.

Speaker 2 (52:06):
What's was that?
Everywhere, that's the dietsuppress yeah.

Speaker 3 (52:10):
Trendy, also controversial right now in the
US super controversial yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (52:15):
Yeah, pay to lose weight.

Speaker 3 (52:16):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and there's a lot of side effects.

Speaker 2 (52:19):
You should be using it if you have like diabetes.

Speaker 1 (52:21):
Yeah, yeah diabetes Weird okay, yeah it's for
informing me guys.
Yeah Well, it's like Even get.

Speaker 3 (52:29):
It's like so weird.
It's like the actual likelicensed cannabis retailer
that's paying taxes, can't postcannabis content, but then I get
ads from like the Lucid markets.
Yeah yeah.
But then Instagram allows themto advertise.
Happening a lot lately.

Speaker 1 (52:47):
I'm like okay it's like somebody's garden supplies
and it's like, yeah, it does,they are gonna like that.

Speaker 3 (52:53):
I have no probably get eventually get flagged down.
But they probably were able tolike run it for 24 or 48 hours,
make some quick cash and thenleave and then make a new
account.

Speaker 1 (53:00):
That's probably what their bottle is gonna be because
I'll, we get caught.
That's definitely what it is.

Speaker 3 (53:04):
Yeah, another one, yeah, again, yeah, that's all
they're doing.

Speaker 1 (53:07):
Yeah, it's like whack-a-mole, I'm assuming.
Anyways, impressive.

Speaker 2 (53:13):
Impressive, I don't know.
I wonder like you must getblasted with messages to all the
time.

Speaker 3 (53:18):
It's.
It's a lot.
So I have to like time blockwhen I respond to messages.
Otherwise I'm on Instagram toomuch.
I actually try to lower myInstagram usage.
That makes sense and I reallyjust like in the morning from
like 8, 30 or till 9 I'll justdo like Responding to the
community comments and stufflike that DMs.
I've been voice-noting peoplenow like random people who ask
me questions.

(53:38):
I just like voice know cuz wayeasier.
Nice, and my thumbs have beenhurting.
I feel like I've been on myphone.

Speaker 1 (53:44):
I do.
I do a personal to, though,like if they're actually a
member your community and stuff.
There's nothing personalgetting a voice note from you.

Speaker 3 (53:49):
They like that, but it's easier for me because I
actually prefer talking topeople than typing save the
thumbs.
Yeah, yeah, cuz I feel likecontext gets lost a lot in text.
Like you could read a text andlike definitely yeah.
Ever, get to fight with yourpartner because of a text, of
the tone, and it was.

Speaker 1 (54:06):
Yeah, I already know right away.
I'm like just to call them.
I'm like this is getting weird.
Just call right away.
Oh yeah, why the hell are wegoing here?
Right?

Speaker 3 (54:15):
now I was an emoji like I don't know.
Text can be like misconstruesometimes.

Speaker 1 (54:19):
It really agree.

Speaker 2 (54:20):
Yeah.
Do you spend any time actuallylike scrolling or is this
creating you're like I can'tscroll.
I don't know time to scroll,yeah.

Speaker 3 (54:27):
I don't really scroll .
If I scroll, it's like to seetrends so that I can like hop on
trends, or if there's atrending audio that works Well.
I just posted one before I camehere.
It was using the office Trendsound.
It was really fun.
You should watch it after.

Speaker 2 (54:40):
Okay, so we can't wait to check it out.

Speaker 3 (54:42):
Yeah but I found that , for example, from scrolling,
but scrolling for work, I guess.

Speaker 2 (54:46):
Yeah, yeah, I keep up to date.

Speaker 3 (54:48):
I feel like because I see content every day.
I don't want to scroll.

Speaker 2 (54:51):
That's what I was thinking.

Speaker 3 (54:52):
Yeah, in my head.

Speaker 2 (54:53):
Yeah, but you got to stay up to date.
I guess it's so fast and that'swhy I'm actually moving more to
youtube.

Speaker 3 (54:59):
I don't if I told you guys, but I actually want to
slow things down more because Ifeel like Short form is very
short lived, obviously, and it'sa chase like the amount of
production I have to do to do ashort form video Is a lot and
it's mentally exhausting and alot of context gets missed, and
that's why I've been reallyfocusing on my youtube More and
I want to do longer form content.

(55:21):
Okay just kind of like thisright now right, we have so much
more contacts like you know, we, you guys, people, the audience
has time to like understand ourpersonalities, which can also
kind of connect you more withthe audience.
Um, so I'm really focusing onyoutube this year for that
reasons, to build like moreengagement in a meaningful way.
That's awesome, yeah.

Speaker 1 (55:39):
Is there anything else you want it like your
followers to know?
On an unplugged note, you weresaying in this long form I don't
know this last little minute,just Hang it out, hang it out.
I have one more thing to plug.

Speaker 3 (55:48):
Yeah, yeah okay, might as well.
Um, I'm also working on a lotof guides that are basically
downloadable guides for myaudience across international,
because I know a lot of.
Obviously, I want to provide myknowledge to my international
audience, whether it's in the us, australia or whatever.
Um, I just came out with aguide on how to make cannabis
infusions at home.
So it walks through the wholecannabis infusion process and

(56:11):
like multiple differentTechniques, whether you have a
machine or you don't, there's alot of different techniques.
Oh yeah, and then right now Idon't know when this is going to
go live, but if anyonepurchases my guide, they're
actually entered to win a brandnew infusion machine.
So I love to do a lot of theselittle giveaways for my audience
Because people like people lovefree stuff, especially if it's
like a nice product, it's fun.

Speaker 1 (56:31):
Do you know like where's your biggest following
outside of canada?
That's an osa about me.
It is the us, yes, us.
And then there's a Australia.

Speaker 3 (56:39):
Um, there's a lot of folks from uk and germany as
well.
Yeah, yeah, and mexico.

Speaker 2 (56:44):
Amazing yeah, wow.

Speaker 1 (56:46):
Unreal you do some powerlifting, is that correct?

Speaker 2 (56:50):
I know why that popped in my head.
I was like powerlifting in.

Speaker 1 (56:54):
I remember you see these videos, you, but but I do
like it because you're alwayslike break this thing.

Speaker 3 (56:58):
I don't know where, getting up in the morning and
I'm powerlifting, we're in, gothere so fast.

Speaker 2 (57:03):
Thanks, thanks, guys.
We're here with the powerlifterAnna.
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (57:13):
I'm not lying, though I didn't make it up.
Follow us at higher orbit.
What a great episode.
Thanks for joining us, guys,and I thanks for stopping by.

Speaker 3 (57:24):
Thanks for having me, guys.