Family, Flowers & Flavour: Season 3 Premiere - Rosin Heads!

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How does parenthood reshape your relationship with cannabis? Hear firsthand from Charlie, as he navigates the challenges of being a new father while managing a thriving business, and Sean's perspective on becoming an uncle. We'll share our experiences balancing family life with our entrepreneurial responsibilities, from maintaining high production standards for our podcast to reconnecting with our community at our recent anniversary party. Expect insights into the rollercoaster of emotions and the resilience needed to keep pushing forward in both personal and professional arenas.

We're thrilled to reconnect with a guest from season one, and proud to welcome our New Title Sponsor Rosin Heads and Todd Neault, now launching a new cannabis flower line branded as "Peanut Butter and Jelly." 

Ever wondered about the intricacies of edibles packaging and the industry's evolving trends? Join us as we break down the measures and the unintended consequence of increased waste. We'll share our thoughts on the latest products like strawberry banana sauce rosin gummies and Mango Sapphire dabs, and discuss the effectiveness of the Puffco device for discreet consumption. Plus, an inside look at potential regulatory changes on the horizon and our personal experiences with Puffco's customer support.

Get an exclusive behind-the-scenes look at the meticulous process of sourcing high-quality strains and the thoughtful strategy of releasing one standout product each quarter. Our conversation covers the ups and downs of industry regulations, brand strategy, and the relentless pursuit of flavor consistency in rosin and edibles. From navigating compliance to handling social media censorship, we uncover the complexities and rewards of standing out in the competitive cannabis market.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Minus 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, main engine start 4, 3, 2, 1.
I'm Sean, I'm Charlie, and thisis Higher Orbit.
Passage of time.

(00:24):
My friend, the passage of time,it time been a minute for sure.
Yeah, it feels weird, but alsonot I don't know it feels good
good to see you, man.
Yeah, man, absolutely.
We just uh, coming back offcelebrating three years of
business, three years ofbusiness and you becoming a
father and me an uncle, and thatwas pretty dope and we, we took

(00:44):
that time off to be with familyand well, we're in the store
still too, and that's beenpicking up and that's good as
well.
But yeah, what's it like?
How's it been being a father,charlie, and has it changed your
relationship with cannabis atall being a parent?
Well, it's funny you say thatin the immediate, a little more
coffee, a little more weedsmoking and then less sleep.

(01:06):
So it's like I don't know if ithelps counterbalance it at all.

Speaker 2 (01:10):
That makes sense to me.

Speaker 1 (01:12):
And then like, yeah, you do sprinkle in being the
business owner and it's fucked,but it's in the best way
possible, energizing, and, asyou know, we're both, of course,
mutually uncles to each other'schild.
Yes, um, so similar uhexperience that I'm sure you've
gone through.
So it was something I had in theback of my head and I knew that

(01:34):
when we came back I was goingto ask you that because it's
some time had passed andobviously maybe you've absorbed
it now.
You're a dad and I know thatsometimes I I like think about
my own consumption too a littlebit more now, because Reese is
around and my little son isthere and I want to be more
present.
So sometimes I choose not toconsume.
And yeah, it was just somethingI thought about asking you.
I'm sure you'll report back asit kind of develops.

(01:55):
Remember, you can watch everyepisode of Higher Orbit on
YouTube.
Make sure you subscribe andfollow us on Instagram at Higher
Orbit as well.
Thanks everybody for joining ustoday.
It was kind of a journey to behere.

Speaker 2 (02:07):
We have a new sponsor which I'm going to leave you
hanging.
I mean, I guess if you'rewatching it right now, you're
probably might get the hints.

Speaker 1 (02:13):
You might catch the hints, but it's been a challenge
to obviously put on this kindof level of production and shout
out to our producer, Richard.
He couldn't be here tonight.
Hopefully he's feeling okay.
Yeah, absolutely.
Love you, richard, thanks formaking this happen and helping
us find a new sponsor.
But obviously, yeah, we try andkeep a high standard of

(02:34):
production and made sure thatour podcast is one of the best
in the industry and keep you upto date Like we literally work
in the store downtown Toronto,right by Trini Bellwoods
Broadcast from the back of theshop.
It's funny because wheneverpeople are like where's the
podcast studio and a lot ofpeople forget that it's back
here, and or when they come herethey're like, well, it doesn't
look like the store is open.
The store is open, we'rehustling deliveries right now

(02:57):
Shout out Luis Luis retains,probably.
So you know, it's been achallenge and we're really happy
to be back and we're reallyproud to have a new uh title
sponsor for season three.
Absolutely, we appreciate allour guests, that's for sure.
Uh guests, whoever supports us,everyone who uh listens here or
there, um, definitelyappreciate you.

(03:19):
Yeah, um, the party was awesometoo.
We managed to obviously cyrus.
Um, thank you so much to theLoud Plug for sponsoring our
third year anniversary partythat we had at Three Monks and a
Duck, which is a local bar andrestaurant, and thank you to the
Queen Ice community for showingup and we appreciate you.
That was a lot of fun.
Yeah, absolutely, benny BluntosWild Gummies, benny Bluntos,

(03:40):
were flowing.
Yeah, it was.
So.
Those fried chicken sammies Ithink I had like three of those.
They were very good.
And the ice cream you know Ican't have the good anymore, but
for sure, yeah, that wasdefinitely special and nice to
have everyone out.
And again, yeah, justappreciate all the support we've
had.
Yeah, I think it's surreal toget here.
Well, being a, I think, beingan entrepreneur in any industry,

(04:04):
it'd be something to celebrate,being a business for three
years, but then, especially, uh,the, the layer of us being in
cannabis and, uh, legal cannabis, and um, it's definitely
something to pat yourself on theback for, buddy.
It's really too bad that place,uh, north north egg.
There was no good sorry, which Idon't follow sorry the place,
what we were looking for,another store location and there

(04:25):
was a place.
It was whatever.
It was a long shot, I guess.
Oh yeah, anyways, privateschool I digress.
Private school, private school,yeah Sucks.
Yeah, you get blocked.
Yeah, man search continues.
It's okay.
Better slow motion than nomotion and we will find our new
home for Cosmic Charlies 2 andthe time cops.
Yeah, it's been, it's beenreally hard to kind of keep up

(04:47):
and, uh, keep it going in asense.
Sorry, I feel like it was just,you know, it's things slow down
, of course, when you start afamily and then, but everything
must go Like.
We got to get the ice creambike out, we got to keep it
going.
It's so hard.
Uh, yeah man, uh, yeah man.
You gotta find a way to forcethrough.
I feel invigorated by it beingsummer, though, and, um, I don't

(05:07):
know, just something in the air, right, something in the uh, I
hope so.
I'm trying to understand after,because I mean, within all that
we celebrating three years,there was all these cannabis
events and shows, and it waslike hard to put my finger on
where the industry like standsand what it's like identity kind
of is.
In my opinion, I feel likethere's so many brands and it's
just like overwhelmed andcannibalized itself, in ontario

(05:30):
at least.
Yeah, I don't know what yourthoughts are on that, but, um,
it's just weird to see, like,where you know where where is it
going?
I mean, yeah, that's a goodpoint.
I would probably say about ohman, it's hard to put like a
finite number on it.
But, like, I don know, like atleast a quarter of the brands
that like were around when westarted probably don't exist
anymore, whether they're retailor or licensed producer brands

(05:52):
or, um, I don't know or they'verebranded and it's not.
That brand doesn't existanymore.
Um, so I don't know, man, Iguess it's been, it's been, it's
been a weird time.
Yeah, it's interesting to see.
I mean, there's so many things,it's so hard to keep up.
That's all I mean.
Any thoughts on.
I was pretty impressed, I willsay, with the regulatory changes
that have been put forth byHealth Canada.

(06:14):
I guess, did you have a chanceto read over those, charlie?

Speaker 2 (06:16):
I don't know them in detail.

Speaker 1 (06:18):
Well, the major ones being the see-through packaging,
I guess, right, so like you'llbe able to see, not smell, the
flower yet, but I guess thetheory would be there would be a
window on your Mylar or on yourglass where you can actually
see the flower before you buy it.
That's a pretty largeimprovement, so that's a pretty
big step forward.
That being said, that's notguaranteed, though, is it.

(06:41):
No, no, no, no I mean, you know,it's a recommendation from
Health Canada, so they're theones that do have the big
influence on the decision makers.
So I still think that it's good, because I don't think anybody
thought that that was going tohappen and I don't think anybody
thought I believe we might beable to talk about this a little
bit more in the next segment,because I know that he knows a
lot more about the regulatoryburdens of the edibles than I do

(07:04):
, but that you're gonna be ableto have more than 10 milligrams
of package.
I think it's like 10 milligram.
It's like you're gonna have tohave childproof packages within
a bigger childproof package.
Does that make sense to you?
Okay, which I recall, I think,when I went to Portland.
It was something similar tothat.
It was these little tinypackages and they were like

(07:26):
giant THC symbol on it and youbasically had to cut them open
with the scissors.
You couldn't get them open with, like, your hands.
You know what I mean.
You know what I'm talking about.
So, like, almost like you everhad, like it's going to be more
waste and more packaging.
Yeah, there's like certain, likelittle cake desserts that are
like packaged within it.
I know what you mean.
I can understand what you'resaying.
You follow what I'm sayingExactly, when you buy another

(07:46):
kind of product, good, and itcomes in individually, small,
fun size, that would again be abig improvement too.
Bites, yeah, you know, butagain, you could still buy your
package of 10 gummies.
Anyways, you follow what I'mtrying to say?
Yeah, yeah, no, absolutely.
Anyways, you follow what I'mtrying to say, yeah, yeah, no,
absolutely.
That would be huge.
I mean, yeah, edibles aresneaky.
I feel like I've been like kindof having a few more edibles

(08:08):
and they make your tolerance gothrough the roof.
They do.
They definitely don't help.
Um, but you know, uh, what haveyou been eating?
What kind of edibles?
Uh, just random shit here andthere.
Like, what did I try?
I tried those strawberry bananaum sauce.
Rosen lab guys made somethingoh they finally how.
The rose chocolates.
You know stuff that we need toget rid of.
How are the sauce rosin gummies?

(08:31):
It was good.
Tastes like strawberry bananasmoothie, I guess.
A little minimal wheat taste.
It has rosin in it.
I guess has a salt and rosin init.
All right, the effects are kindof like yeah, they're good,
they're pretty good.

Speaker 2 (08:43):
I.
The effects are kind of likeyeah, they're good, they're
pretty good.

Speaker 1 (08:45):
I do like those guys I was working on.
We tried their Point BreakSeasonal Rosin or whatever.

Speaker 2 (08:51):
Did you look at it, yet it smells really nice, it's
very clear, is it not?

Speaker 1 (08:53):
It's like, yeah, it's got a really nice color to it
and I don't know it dabs reallynicely.
I've also been dabbing on thisMango Sapphire, the dab
collection by Rosenhutts.
Oh yeah, that tasted delicious.
Tastes really good, right.
Yeah, you definitely need a hotknife for this batch though
it's pretty sticky, I don't mindit but you need a tool required

(09:16):
.
It's kind of difficult to dealwith, but it was super yummy,
delicious, really clean.
Did you see that one?
Yeah, I think I definitely hadsome.
Nice, I got a Puffco.
That's big news in mydevelopment.

Speaker 2 (09:30):
Yeah, I guess so.

Speaker 1 (09:31):
I had a.
What was it?
Oh yeah, I guess the last timeI had a Puffco was the original
peak, or whatever.
I think, it's kicking aroundsomewhere it is.
Yeah, it stopped working on meand I kind of realized I was
like I don't know if I want tospend this much money and is it
really worth the extra?
And like, anyways, I finallymade the investment and I got
the hot knife too and yeah, I'mhappy.

(09:52):
I'm not, yeah, I'm really happy.
I feel like as a dad.
Now.
It's like digital dabs are justthe way to go.
Fair enough, less time, timelike busting out a j or like oh,
it's so fast, it's also so fastthe time now that you're quick
with like in the hot, like theone, until it's like boom, boom,
click, click, yes, and then offyou go, like I will admit it's

(10:15):
been.
Uh, it's just efficient, timewise.
Yeah, does that make sense?
Yeah, no, no, now I'm sure youknow you're juggling everything,
everything.
You got this, you got that.
You only have like 30 secondsto sneak away and have a quick
dab.
Yeah, you know what I mean, dad.
Yeah, you know what I mean, dad.
V-top, I guess that's way more,it's way better than a rig,
that's for sure.
Yeah, it's just, it's, it'ssmooth.

(10:48):
Yeah, take good care of thatbad boy.
Yeah, I am going to.
I'm trying my best.
Um, I'll keep you posted.
There's like a whole um, yeah,I'm gonna watch.
There's like a youtube and likea guide and apparently they
have.
Uh, well, we have like.
Yeah, we have lots of dabs instore, by the way.
But, um, I met that thatcustomer who had done 35 000abs,
which I'm sure people have doneway more, but they had the app

(11:11):
tracking it.
Tracking it.
Yeah, how many atomizersthey've gone through, I need to
ask.
But they said that they're sochill that if you ever have any
issue within 30 days with yourreceipt, they usually send you a
new one, no questions asked.
Oh, that's pretty cool well theitemizer.
They're expensive, yeah, so theybetter, man, damn.
So if you ever have an issuewithin 30 days so you go to puff

(11:33):
, go, they should hook you up.
I don't know, maybe don't quoteme on it, but that's uh.
You know, that's cool, yeah,man, yeah um any other
regulatory changes.
No, that was a little bit of thebig ones I wanted to go over
with you with.
I'll be shocked when they dothe edible thing.
I think that'd be great.
I was just thinking about, likehow cool it would be to buy
like a master case as a uniquesingle skew Like we have.

(11:56):
It's funny.
We have those little vortexgummies that kind of look like
little boogers.
It's funny.
I've literally been sellingthem as such little sugar
boogers, Sugar boogers.
It actually works.
The vortex capsules or whateverthey're called yeah the 200
milligrams in a bag.
Yeah, I like the rosin dropsbetter.
There's no sugar, right?
The rosin drops are way betterfor our superior product.

(12:17):
But people do like the little.
They like candies.
It's so weird.

Speaker 2 (12:22):
Yeah, they're full of sugar.

Speaker 1 (12:24):
I did.
I did want to pay attention.
I noticed that I think they'retalking about outlawing, like,
flavored tobacco vapes, and Ifeel like, if that happens, like
how far behind Can this getshredded?
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (12:36):
I think it's just going to be different.
No, it's just going to bedifferent.

Speaker 1 (12:51):
It's just so bad for you.
I just feel like, why is it?
I don't know.
Am I wrong?

Speaker 2 (12:55):
I don't I don't know I'm convinced.

Speaker 1 (12:57):
I'm convinced.
And if it allows for a lot offraudulent, weird stuff too,
yeah, things that are like liveresin, there was a funny thing
Today a rep came in today andthis was a funny one and they
had this like high terp CBD hempflower Okay, I'm not going to
name who it is and then they'relike we dusted it with keef from

(13:20):
the other flower to give it the.
It actually did smell reallygood, but I didn't know how.

Speaker 2 (13:25):
I felt about it.
They dusted it with keef.

Speaker 1 (13:28):
They dusted it with the keef From their like terpene
rich flower and something abouta loophole, because they got it
above 1% and so it was taxeddifferently, and I just didn't
know this.
I think this is like a perfect.
Even though this is like a moreminor fraud, I understand it
still kind of is like a fraudand I feel like a lot of fraud
goes on in our industry.

(13:49):
Yeah, definitely, man, yeah,absolutely, yeah, yeah.
Well, I don't think thatthey'll go after that.
I've noticed so many newdisposable vapes and I'm worried
that that's the way that themarket is going.

Speaker 2 (14:02):
Oh, probably that's pretty brutal way that the
market is going.

Speaker 1 (14:09):
oh, probably increase brutal, yeah, increased, uh,
like waste and and yeah, whetherit's those shitty rizzlers or
the blinker or whatever, thefuck, oh my god, this is so bad,
gross.
Yeah, I saw a photo of one ofthose rizzler like infused
joints and it looked really bad.
It looked even bad.
I don't know if you rememberthat, not really the good supply
ones, oh, yeah, they're allbrown.
It looked kind of like that, butlike, even worse, Like I don't

(14:31):
know man, yeah, yeah, there's,I'm not down.
I feel like you almost even forme anyways, as a consumer like,
even though it's like it's notfood, you're still consuming it.
The craze for like your eyesfirst right.
The craze for novelty, I kindof get it, but it's like so bad,
it's just bad.

(14:54):
Oh, where we are with the crazefor novelty.
Yeah, and well, I'm sad.

Speaker 2 (14:55):
For instance, we didn't get the cross joints.
They're probably shit.
They're probably terrible.
It would have been great tosell.

Speaker 1 (14:58):
They would have been great to sell and they would
have been expensive.
Now I think, I think blackmarket did that, market did a
cross joint originally to behonest.

Speaker 2 (15:09):
A true innovation.

Speaker 1 (15:09):
That being said, I mean they would have sold it.
I remember when we had theywere terrible, they were gold.
Well, you know what.
We've talked about that thegold raft, Jay, I think someone
bought all of them.
Which one?
The 24 karat gold.
It was like gold raft, it wasan old skew.
It was a Christmas skew, it wasa Christmas stocking.

(15:33):
You're worried about it.
Someone bought them all.
Somebody bought all of them.
I think.
One thing, one purchase, whichis really funny.
I also find it funny whensomebody came in and bought an
entire I'll take all your kinslips it was like $400.
It was crazy man.
I was like, okay, I mean I'mnot going to question it, but

(15:54):
there is a nice little spot forsome novelty products.
But some are so strange, likewhat were weird ones?
I saw there was pop rocks.

Speaker 2 (16:02):
Oh, there is, yeah there's also, what's up with the
wine gums that aren't wine gums, man?
I saw there was Pop Rocks.
Oh, there is.
Yeah, there's also.
What company is Pop Rocks?
What's up with the?

Speaker 1 (16:06):
wine gums that aren't wine gums, man.

Speaker 2 (16:09):
Oh, we do have to call that out.
What is that?
Those are delicious whateverthey are.
They were like those.

Speaker 1 (16:13):
It was a blue raspberry, more marshmallow.

Speaker 2 (16:16):
Yeah, it's got marshmallow flavor.

Speaker 1 (16:17):
But the photo.
They were called classic winebox gummies and wine box gummies
and the photo looked like awine gum.
And then you open the fuckingbox and it was like those blue
pillowy.

Speaker 2 (16:29):
What are they?

Speaker 1 (16:30):
The strawberry with the white.
You know what I'm talking about.
That style, or blue, I guess,the mixed white with the color I
don't know what those arecalled.
I thought they tasted like theblue whales.
Anyways, if they didn't tasteso good, I would have be more
upset, but I am still kind ofupset because I wanted wine gums
.
Yeah, that's pretty random.
Sorry, come back from the rant.
That was the wine gum rant.

(16:51):
Yeah, but yeah, no, there's aton of products.
I feel like it's again.
It's.
I guess it allows for a lot ofdifferentiation in the Ontario
market, but I feel like,compared to a lot of other
markets, it's just like it'scrazy.
Is it too much?
How much is too much?
I also think it's funny thatthe infused pre-roll thing just

(17:12):
died.
It was like everybody was doinginfused pre-roll and then
everyone just gave up.
I think, still people do.
But I agree with you, it'sbasically central emission and
jitters.
Jitters.
The jitters are popular, though.
Those are also kind of dustythough.
Well, totally but.

Speaker 2 (17:27):
I think I see that they still use better flour.

Speaker 1 (17:29):
We sell the caramel ones, I guess a bit, but not as
much.
No, no, you know what's brutalI've even had.
I saw this happen to me acouple times.
Someone comes in and I'm likeenthusiastic, I'm like, yes, you
want like a rosin roll or likesome nice hash infused.
And then they're like about todo it and they're like, oh no,
give me that fruity one, thepeach one.

Speaker 2 (17:49):
And I'm like the peach rings.

Speaker 1 (17:51):
The tiger blood.
Give me the tiger blood, giveme the tiger blood.
Oh, the stab in the heart, okay.
On the way out, yeah, just like, whatever, that's okay.
No, I know I always feel funnywhen you have those in-depth
conversations with people andyou're like, thank you,
converted, and then they're like, nah, yeah, that's okay, give
me the garbage, it's going torot my brain, it's okay.

(18:12):
Some people just have the otherand don't like it.
I guess, right, it's okay.
Yeah, no, no, no, it's.
But I just find I literallyfeel like I don't know about you
.
Like, I feel like when I smoke,when I have a really good high,
like a nice layered high, likesomething really good, it's more
of an experience and I can liketalk and I can be creative and

(18:34):
I can like, I can like still,like you know, it's more
enjoyable, I find when I smoke,just distillate and I combust it
like that, like those gentlemendo.
I just feel stupid, like Ihonestly feel like if you asked
me like a math question that Iknew before I smoked a
distillate joint, that Iwouldn't be able to tell you
after I smoked it, and I don'tthink I could.
I think with most of the thingsthat aren't distillate if it

(18:56):
was just like a hash-infusedjoint, I think.

Speaker 2 (18:59):
And I might like the cards are terrible too.

Speaker 1 (19:01):
The cards definitely do something.
Really bad too.
But yeah, can't wait to keeptalking Particularly edibles,
lots of other stuff.

Speaker 2 (19:10):
Lots of other stuff we're going to have a guest by
now.

Speaker 1 (19:13):
Have a guest by now.
Our title sponsor for seasonthree is our good friend Rog and
heads.
We'll be back.
We'll be right back with ToddNeal.
We're back.

(19:35):
Welcome back Back with our mainsponsor for season three, raw's
, and Head's.
Todd.
Welcome back to the show buddy.
Thanks again for having me guys.

Speaker 2 (19:44):
Yeah, man it the show buddy, thanks again for having
me, guys.

Speaker 1 (19:45):
Yeah, man, it's been a minute Dude, you were on one
of our first four or five, forsure.

Speaker 2 (19:52):
Season one episode four, I believe.

Speaker 1 (19:54):
Right, it's right there behind you.
You can confirm.
I'm pretty sure.
I'm pretty sure I got it.
Five, five, damn it.
That was close, wild buddy.
Yeah, yeah, man, how have youbeen?
What's going on with you?

Speaker 2 (20:06):
Just trying to stay busy.

Speaker 1 (20:07):
Yeah, man, you fucking have been busy.
I definitely would say so I'mpretty like fired up about your.
I think you were sayingeverybody thinks you're
releasing a peanut butter andjelly sandwich.

Speaker 2 (20:19):
Yeah, so yeah, I've been just having some fun on
Instagram recently with some ofmy posts posting do you have
that bag?
Posting a bag that basicallylooks like a slice of bread.
And yeah, a lot of people werethinking I'm launching
sandwiches and stuff, but I'mlaunching flour.

Speaker 1 (20:38):
I thought for some reason in my head yes, you're
launching flour, which is a hugeannouncement.
That's fucking amazing, andit's two different flowers, to
my understanding.
For some reason in my head,when I first saw the imagery,
which I love your new rebrandingtoo, by the way I was telling
you I really like all the newiconography you did and you were
saying you're trying to getaway from the hum.

(21:00):
Is it a hum?
Humster yeah, Humster, yeah,which makes sense because it's
got, like you know, justimplications or whatever too.
But I love that you still leftit on there because it's your OG
brand and, like I don't know, Ilove the new sheet, love all
that iconography and I alwaysfuck with your brand, so I think
it's sick.

Speaker 2 (21:16):
Yeah, I'm just always always trying to evolve a
little bit, right, just tryingto keep things fresh.
You'll notice, there's likemany different styles, like on
the Instagram, but like it'sstill all tied back together.
But like back to the flour fora second.
Yeah, really funny story aboutthis.
So I was driving into work oneday, Okay, and like I've been

(21:37):
wanting to launch flour for awhile, but like there was a
couple of struggles in my mind.
First is you know the brand'scalled Rosin Heads, you know.
And second is you know I'mtypically known as an edible
brand, right?
So I wasn't sure that, you know, people would really receive it
.
Well, I was driving to work oneday and the idea came to me that

(21:58):
I should launch peanut butterand jelly flour.
So I walked in the office andyou know, people, people try to
talk to me.
I was just like now.
I basically loaded up, I wentto the internet, found a slice
of bread, started designing alabel on a slice of bread, okay,
um, shorter to a couple ofpeople at the office.
They thought I was likecompletely fucked.
And you know, three months later, here we are with Peanut butter

(22:21):
and jelly flour.
So I like to call this thebread bag.
This is, and literally, when Iwas designing the bag, I sent a
slice of bread to themanufacturer and I said make it
shaped that way.
This is really the best that Icould do.
It's kind of a little wonky,but you'll notice.
We updated the logo.
It's just a peanut butter andjelly sandwich and you know, the

(22:42):
fun thing here is inside.
You know you got thecorresponding color, so you've
got your jelly, you've got yourpeanut butter.
So it's really well thought out, I think.
And the cool thing is the firstlaunch is really going to be
it's really going to be special.
The peanut butter is LSO,peanut butter breath 28%, and
the jelly strain is gelato runtsI'm calling it Gelato Berry for

(23:06):
this and it's 30%, 2.3% terpsoh, wow.

Speaker 1 (23:10):
So and you handpicked these strains yourself.
Did we micro this?
No, no, no, this is.

Speaker 2 (23:17):
You sourced it.

Speaker 1 (23:18):
Okay, yeah, I sourced it.

Speaker 2 (23:21):
I've been looking at flower for the last three months
probably 35 different lots andI bought four.
Okay, so you know it's been astruggle actually finding, you
know, the product that Iactually wanted to put in a bag
and put my name on it.
I think we're there.
Well, I know we're there.
Now I've got four really goodlots.
I've got the next lots lined upafter that, so it should get

(23:43):
pretty interesting.
I'm really excited about thislaunch.
I'm only doing one product aquarter now typically, so you
know I get to really button eachproduct up and, you know,
really think it through.
That's smart.
I really like you know havingmy ducks in a row, like having
everything buttoned up in thisindustry it just moves so fast.
You know what I mean.
And there was one quarter whereI launched six products and

(24:06):
like I almost died, mymanufacturer almost died, like
it was just far too much.
So ever since then I've justI've learned it's hard to sell
all those products at once,right?

Speaker 1 (24:16):
Am I wrong man?
There's too many, right.

Speaker 2 (24:18):
So when I came up with six products, four of them
didn't really do good, but whenI come up with one product, it
always does really well.

Speaker 1 (24:28):
So you switch to just one?
Yeah, so just one.

Speaker 2 (24:30):
Now that makes sense, man, and just dial that in and
make sure that that's a success,and yeah and it's the evolution
of the brand, right, because Ithink everybody knows me, you
know, as an edible brand, umstarting out, branch out into
the tablets.
You know they did really well.
Um, the rosin, the pre-roll, Iwas gonna say big drop man, the
rosin mango sapphire I reallyenjoyed.
Um was going to say big dropman, the rosin, the mango
sapphire.

Speaker 1 (24:49):
I really enjoyed.
What was it?
I did try the Great Mountaincandy.
Nothing wrong with it, Ithought it was fine, it just
wasn't my like.

Speaker 2 (24:58):
Yeah, there was two phenols, so the very first one
was Tropicana Cookies, phenolOkay, super orange, it was
amazing.
The second one was like a bitof a great beer.
Yeah, you know, you eitherloved it or you hated it, kind
of thing.
Yeah, mango Sapphire, there'swhatever's left in stores.
That's what's left of it.
Yeah, and Purple Punch is gonnastart shipping this week.

(25:18):
The Purple Punch I reallyenjoyed.
I dabbed a whole jar in a day.
I look forward to it, man.

Speaker 1 (25:24):
Yeah, it's really interesting, so that'll be a
continued rotation.
Yeah, nice yeah.

Speaker 2 (25:30):
That's amazing.
That's the next couple dropsplanned too, so I'm only buying
small lots, just so I can keepit fresh.
There's certainly continuityavailable, but I like to change
it.

Speaker 1 (25:40):
Of course, dude, that makes sense.
When are we gonna see the PB&J?

Speaker 2 (25:44):
July 2nd it'll be available for retailers to order
on flow through, so it shouldstart rolling the stores like
July 9th or so.
Okay, nice, there you go, comegrab it the first week I only
put a small amount on.
All my bags are actually stillon a boat, so I was actually
able to get them to send mewhatever they had left sitting

(26:05):
around in the factory.
So I got enough to large theproduct.
And then the second week I I'mreally going to open the
floodgates and you know list alot, but first week it's going
to be, you know, first come,first serve, slow and steady man
, I guess lottery products.

Speaker 1 (26:18):
We'll try our best to get some.
That's exciting man.
That's really cool.
I don't know why I'm surprisedyou're doing flower, but I'm
pleasantly surprised, I guess.
Does that make sense?
I don't know.
I'm just giving you my I don'tknow the evolution of a brand.
It's like we were talking likestanding out in so many you know
brands.
It's really tough and RobinHoods has a brand.

(26:39):
I think that stands.

Speaker 2 (26:41):
It's survival right, because when you look at the
summer, chocolate slows rightdown.
So you know.
I needed something for thesummer.
Beyond that, I think it's supercool.
Honestly, like at this point,I'm just trying to have fun.
You know, this obviously isn'tgoing to be like my main revenue
stream, it's not going to be myonly source of income, but,

(27:01):
like, I'm just trying to havefun, everything I do outside of
the edible category, there'salways a focus on flavor, right.
So you know, whether it's arosin, whether it's a flower,
whether it's a pre-rose, I tryto focus on flavor Make it tasty
.
And curate really good flavorexperiences for people, right,
Okay, nice, yeah.
And I think that's really theattraction of the brand is

(27:22):
people trust me.
You know I've been putting outreally good products for a very
long time, so people trust that,like if I say this is good,
typically, you know I'm tryingnot to let people down and, like
I said, it was really hard forme to find flour that I wanted
to put my name on right,Absolutely man Are.

Speaker 1 (27:38):
they starts from two different places, the two ones.

Speaker 2 (27:40):
Okay, very cool man, and the next lot again is the
next batch after the first twolots.
Like the second two lots that Ihave, those are different
suppliers as well.
You know I've cast a prettywide net.
I've found probably six peoplethat I'm gonna be working with
continuously and then, you know,I just have options coming to

(28:01):
me all the time, right.

Speaker 1 (28:02):
So that's great man.
I guess that comes along with,like, the reputation you built
for yourself, and so you'reprobably have growers that want
to come to you and work with youand have you be kind of their
brand right.
So that's dope dude.
I love good flavors.

Speaker 2 (28:14):
It gives me the ability to help, like smaller
micros that aren't in Ontario.
You know what I mean.
I can list their products, youknow.
I can, you know, tell peoplewhere I got it from and you know
, try to give them, you know, alittle bit of a boost, right?
So when they do pitch inOntario, they're already kind of
known and then when they cometo market, you know, hopefully
it helps them, right?
I?
Always try to just do mutuallybeneficial things right.

(28:36):
Like you know, collaborationover competition.

Speaker 1 (28:41):
These are sourced from outside of Ontario.

Speaker 2 (28:44):
Yes, nice, no sorry, the gelato runs in Ontario.
Yeah, okay, the LSO peanutbutter breath is Alberta, and
then the second lot of peanutbutter breath that I have, after
the LSO lot, is also Alberta.
There you go and I'm onlybuying small lots, like from
micros, searching far and wide,and it's like every 716 bags I

(29:07):
want to launch is going to be 10kilos, right?
So that's basically, you knowthe lot, right.

Speaker 1 (29:12):
I did have one question, man, You've
collaborated with a lot ofpeople in this industry and I
think a lot of people struggleto collaborate, and why do you
think you've been so successful?
Man, Like you know, it's noteasy to work with people, right?
You know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (29:24):
Like, I feel like yeah, and I'm probably one of
the hardest people to work with.

Speaker 1 (29:27):
That's a good question, right?
No, it is.

Speaker 2 (29:30):
I'm difficult.
I'm going to be honest, I'mpretty difficult.

Speaker 1 (29:34):
No, I hear you're a perfectionist man.
I hear you're all business toodude.

Speaker 2 (29:38):
She does it right.
You go to the WeMe office totalk to this office.

Speaker 1 (29:41):
You want someone on the phone.
He's like I need it done thisway.
It was supposed to be that way.

Speaker 2 (29:49):
I won't say who it was, but I know that sounds like
Todd, you know, yeah, it'sactually hilarious that we're
actually having a conversationhere because, like at the office
, you know, hey, I need this.
We're going to do this, this,this, this, this is a plan.
How was your weekend, todd?
Turn around and leave.
I can't do small talk andthat's why I say I'm the

(30:12):
difficult person, because it'sreally hard to get to know me
what's cool.

Speaker 1 (30:22):
We're going to have you on this show.
I'm just.

Speaker 2 (30:25):
I'm just very focused these days.
I was thinking the other dayabout like who I used to be in,
like man.
Sometimes I want to be thatperson.
And then I like, I think, andit's like no, I don't, you know,
it's, you're always gonna bestressed in life, right, and

(30:45):
it's for whatever reason, likethis, doing good is more, more
stressful than like when Iwasn't doing good.
You know what I mean.
Because it's like can Imaintain?
it you know what I mean.
Can I maintain it Like how longis this going to last?
Like I'm just trying to stay outof my own way, right, I have so
many products ready to go and Idon't want to get ahead of

(31:06):
myself.
Right, I have my full 2025roadmap done, like till January
2025.
I know exactly what productsI'm launching when, right, and
it's like trying not to getdistracted by shiny things and
like seeing opportunities thatmight not actually be
opportunities.
You know what I mean.
So just really trying to staysuper focused.

Speaker 1 (31:28):
Yeah, you got it.
You got it lined up.
Man, stick to the plan.
It sounds like this is goodinsight to know.
The one slow and steady paceAgain.
Yeah, slow and steady man.

Speaker 2 (31:39):
Win the race.

Speaker 1 (31:40):
So cliche, but like totally man.
I don't know about winning, butsurviving, surviving, saving,
yeah yeah, and not like goingbankrupt, like a lot of people
in our industry anyway.
So, yeah, oh yeah, it'sinteresting to see.
So that's awesome, man.
Big evolution Love to see allthese great new products.

(32:00):
I can't wait to try both ofthem.
Man, it's going to be awesomedude, where can we get it?
Like I know, I think you're inmost provinces, I was a little
confused.
What's up with the Weed MeTruffles?

Speaker 2 (32:14):
So Weed Me Truffles is Alberta, only With Alberta.
There's like what was thatthough?
Yeah, in Alberta there's like aregistration process brand
owners have to go through andthere's like background checks.
You know they want yourfinances for you know X amount
of years Come on your wife'sfinances.
Just a lot, a lot of Nicelyinvasive, A lot of work.

(32:34):
It takes a long time.
It's only like three grand, Ithink, but still, yeah, it just
wasn't worth it to me at thetime.
And the Weed Me Trump waslaunched, actually before Rosen
has did.

Speaker 1 (32:47):
What's wrong with you , Alberto, and I wanted to.
I actually wanted to understand, right.

Speaker 2 (32:52):
Because you know Weed Me does really good sales in
Alberta BC.
I wanted to understand it wasactually a testing ground to
understand if the brand therewas two things Will Rosin in the
name hurt the sales and willthe Weed Me brand help my sales?
Help or hurt?
Right, so you know, I think weunderstand fully that the brand

(33:19):
name is working.
Yeah, so, like it was necessary, yeah, it was necessary.

Speaker 1 (33:33):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was just confused when I saw it
and I was like oh no, those areyou know those are rosin heads,
man.

Speaker 2 (33:38):
Yeah, yeah, it's.
Um.
It's interesting though, right,because for a long time people
didn't know.
And now you know, and, andevery time that I tried to show
people on Instagram stuff like Ihad graphics done and
everything but every time time Ipost a Weed Me logo, it gets
flagged immediately, right.
So I had a really hard timetrying to let people know about
that, right.

Speaker 1 (33:57):
Yeah, the censorship is still a thing that's very
annoying.
Back on the first segment.
I was talking to Charlie aboutthe regulation changes and you
were actually telling me thatI'm Am I mistaken with how I'm
reading the edibles?

Speaker 2 (34:08):
Well, I don't know that you're mistaken, or perhaps
I'm mistaken, but the way thatI'm reading it is, you can have
up to I think it's 1,350milligrams in a package, but
each individual piece is 10milligrams.
Okay, and each individual pieceneeds to be fully labeled and

(34:29):
packaged like compliant label,not just a wrapper with THC.
So good luck fitting that allin there.
That's the way I'm reading it.
So just imagine having a baglike this with 10 bags like this
in it.
Right, wait, wait, wait, it'schaos.

Speaker 1 (34:45):
Hear me out though.
So he also mentioned theKinslip.
You know that product.
Yeah, is it considered acapsule, I think, by the
regulation.
Is this something we know?
A capsule, I think, so I'm notsure if it's a capsule.
But that has an interestingpackage if it could be conveyed
to people as compliant.
Anyways, I haven't read it, soI can't really speak to it.

Speaker 2 (35:06):
Yeah, so that's my interpretation of it.
It would it, so I can't reallyspeak to it.
Yeah, so, like that's myinterpretation of it.
Like it would be much better ifit was just a wrapper, because
then, like you could have a muchsmaller package.
You don't have to have all thereal estate for your nft table,
your ingredients, right, yourcompliant warning, everything.
That's just how I'm reading it.
I'm not a lawyer, so, um, well,hopefully that'll change and
obviously, like that's somethingyou know.

(35:26):
Um, it needs to change, right,it's just gonna be a nightmare
for pat.
Like cost for one right, likecost to produce and waste is
like it's gonna be ridiculous,right?

Speaker 1 (35:37):
so bad already, too something like I.

Speaker 2 (35:40):
I look at it like the um the halloween reese peanut
butter cups, for example, likeyou know how those have to have
the ingredients on them.

Speaker 1 (35:48):
They're fully labeled .
Yeah, you know, I mean we justgot a singular right right, but
they don't have to have thewarning, they don't have to have
.

Speaker 2 (35:54):
You know all the stuff that we do, so we can't
have it, you know so interesting.

Speaker 1 (36:00):
Is there any implication for like your great
rosin drops, which I love, bythe way, if you haven't tried
those, you should try them.
Go and try those.
Have you ever gotten any?

Speaker 2 (36:10):
Yeah, I mean it's pretty clearly.
We did get communication fromHealth Canada very recently.
But basically what happened isso, if you go to like any of the
POS systems or like any of thestore finder databases,
typically brands have like abrand page and on my brand page

(36:31):
there's a statement saying Rosinhas created an elevated edible
experience worthy of repeatindulgence.
So what somebody had done isthey went to a product finder
website, pulled out my brandpage, so you had the edible
language, and then they searchedfor the drops and then they

(36:52):
took a screenshot of that sentit to help Canada, saying he's
promoting it as edibles.
So you know, I had to change mywhole brand statement, my whole
mission statement, changeeverything, just so it can't be
confused, because I was anedible brand at one point.

Speaker 1 (37:10):
Right, right.

Speaker 2 (37:12):
And I know who it was .
It's hilarious, but you know tomanipulate a screenshot.
Send it to Health Canada.
When you have tobacco investors, ok, they're coming out.
I'm trying to feed my daughterOK, this is me, my wife and my
daughter.
Ok, tobacco investors.
I'm trying to feed my daughterOkay, this is me, my wife and my
daughter.
Okay, tobacco investors.

(37:33):
So basically, you know Ichanged the.
You know I deleted the productfinder from my website, changed
my brand statement on every POSsystem I could.
I remember I accidentallycommented on something and
you're like sorry, sean, Ideleted your comment because of
this and you know I went as faras you know to make sure, like I
don't have the drops on mywebsite.
I never have.
You don't see me post them onInstagram.

(37:55):
You don't see me promote thembecause they don't really need
promotion.
If you're a high TC user,you're seeking them out, you'll
find them, you're going to findthem.
Yeah, so they don't really needpromotion.
And if I don't promote them,you can't come after me and say
I'm promoting them a certain way, exactly.

Speaker 1 (38:15):
No, I understand why you don't.
It's too bad that that's thesituation though For me it's a
medical product.

Speaker 2 (38:27):
It's such a necessary product man, lot of them.
That's why I was very cautiouswith the unflavored, the 250
milligram, no flavor, right,because I don't want people over
consuming.
I don't want anybody sayingthat I'm trying to make it
palatable.
I'm serving a need.
You know there was no halfrosin, there was no full
spectrum tablets or capsules onthe market when I launched those

(38:48):
.
I feel the need.
Now you know there's multiplefull-spectrum rosin capsules on
market.
There wasn't before.

Speaker 1 (38:57):
I noticed that.
Yeah, that's one of the people.
That makes sense.
I guess they're selling, sothere's proof in the sales.
Yeah, awesome though, man.
They're a fantastic product,and I even don't mind the, I
think, I just like the plainones, and the peppermints are
good too.
I guess that's like a mintvariant, kind of.

Speaker 2 (39:13):
But those ones, those ones, you know what they remind
me of.

Speaker 1 (39:15):
I told you I don't know, sorry to cut you off there
.
You remember like we used todecorate like our gingerbread
house and there were like theselittle peppermint things and
Sprinkles.

Speaker 2 (39:25):
Sprinkles on them.
You know what I'm talking about.
They remind me of that.

Speaker 1 (39:29):
They remind me of that, without the sugar.

Speaker 2 (39:31):
Yeah, I meant that as a compliment.
Yeah, they're vegan.
There's two ingredients in them.
You know what I mean.
It's one of the only productsat that milligram level that you
can look at the ingredients andunderstand what's in them and
it doesn't give you the SchlitzArena that.

Speaker 1 (39:47):
Australia likes to have Right and it doesn't give
you the Schlitz arena, saysCharlie, like we'll be back.
No, fuck, carlitos.

(40:10):
Fact 821.
We're back.
Where is it smoke?
Another dab there, charles.
What did you think of todd'srosin?
You just dabbed it exactly.
Where's the hash?

Speaker 2 (40:28):
it was great oh, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's what I said, that's whatyou meant, Okay sorry I was
lost too.

Speaker 1 (40:32):
I was at Todd.
I'm like what the fuck is thisguy talking about?
Where's the hash Don't ask.

Speaker 2 (40:36):
Ask the El Hash.
You're wearing the El Hash.
Ask the Bazaam incident.

Speaker 1 (40:47):
That's all in hold, though, isn't it I've heard that
the latest, so you can talkabout that for a second.
That is pretty crazy.
I guess that happened since weended the last season, but I
still think that there'ssomething weird about that.
Like, how do you not knowbefore you sign that, like
Bazaam was always going to be apretty bad partner, in my
opinion?
I thought it was weird when Iheard that they were buying them

(41:08):
, wait or in my opinion.
I thought it was weird when Iheard that they were buying the
ones.

Speaker 2 (41:11):
The way are they done ?
I think they like.
No, it's us doing a courtbattle, exactly.
I don't know what the outcomeis gonna be.
I can't really speak on it.

Speaker 1 (41:18):
No, no, I can't know Fucking crazy, but I think
unfortunately, it's like thekind of thing that's been kind
of expected and industry and Ihear with the shit all the time,
people getting fucked over andnot getting paid and
unfortunately, like basicallyFinalBot wants to dip anyways,
so what are they not going tomake?

(41:38):
Like I have lots of goodproducts, yeah, lots.
It must have been good to workwith, hopefully products.

Speaker 2 (41:45):
Yeah, no, I like I've known those guys for a long
time, right like all the hashmakers, greg, I've known
everybody there for a long time.
Right Like all the hash makers,greg, I've known everybody
there for quite some time, so Ienjoyed working with them.

Speaker 1 (41:54):
Yeah, I think it tasted really good, looked
really good.
You didn't need like a hotknife.
Like I felt like if I didn'thave a hot knife and I just got
one, that it would be difficultto deal with.
But other than that man, nocomplaints, Dabbed really nice,
tasted really good.
Honestly, I think it vapedreally clean.
For the most part, there wasn'tmuch residual residue.

Speaker 2 (42:12):
Yeah, I'm really excited about the Purple Punch
that's coming out, though Turfson it are low.
Like on the label it's only 6%.
Typically, everything that I'velaunched before has been like 9
or 11.
Okay, it's normal though,because that's 9.
But when you open the jar youhardly smell it.
But it Because like that's nine, but when you open the jar you
hardly smell it, but like it'sreally flavorful when you smoke

(42:32):
it.
The Purple Punch is only six,but when you open up the jar,
like the smell fills the room.
The flavor is likemouth-coating.
Okay, so like it's just itdoesn't make sense to me, but
like 71%, 6.6% turps, but theflavor is off the charts 6.6%
terps, but the flavor's off thecharts, off the charts.

Speaker 1 (42:50):
It's my favorite rosin that I've launched to date
.
Okay For sure.
Well, I'll have to get that.
You're making me salivate.
I've been on a real rosin kicklately.
Yes, I put it.

Speaker 2 (42:58):
So yeah, it's available on Flow Through
anytime now.
Oh, okay, all the mangosapphires gone.
I was down to like few cases,so it's all gone okay, that's
good man.

Speaker 1 (43:08):
I'm glad to hear that that's going well for you too.
So the rosin rosin heads rosinis is working out, which is dope
, and it's so nice to see youkind of like progress and move
your way into other categoriesand find your success.

Speaker 2 (43:21):
And again, it's just like, uh, you know flavor
experiences, right like um, youknow, at the point that I
launched each rosin, it was themost flavorful that I had access
to.
Okay, and as I'm connectingwith new suppliers, finding new
strains, it's just gettingbetter and better.

Speaker 1 (43:38):
Yeah, man, you're dialing it in, I guess, and
figuring out who has the goodstuff and who's still growing in
Canada.
Good stuff, I suppose, but I'msure it's hard because I feel
like there's less people growing.

Speaker 2 (43:49):
It's harder for me to launch a product that I sourced
than it is to develop an ediblerecipe, like I have so many
edibles ready to go, but you canonly sell so many edibles,
right?
That makes sense, and I meanthe price point of my chocolate.
You know, unfortunately, it iswhat it is like.
You know the ingredients I'musing.
You know the input I'm using.
Everything just keeps pricehigh.
So you know, unfortunately, itis what it is like.

(44:10):
Um, you know the ingredientsI'm using.
You know the input I'm using.
Everything just keeps pricehigh.
So you know the velocity is notthere, right?
So, um, you know, if I wantthis to, you know, be a
sustainable business, you know Ihave to.
I have to expand right and thatway that way, when summer comes
around and chocolate slows down,cool you don't want, still
sustained.
Last year was really tough inthe summer.

Speaker 1 (44:31):
Is it really?
Does it fall off that much?
That makes sense to me.
I hadn't really thought aboutit.

Speaker 2 (44:35):
Last year was super tough in the summer.
Like basically the amount ofmoney I was making I was
spending on marketing in thesummer last year, like it wasn't
good.
Keep it up.

Speaker 1 (44:44):
It wasn't good.
Yeah, I know that gummies aremuch bigger.
In a sense, I don't really getwhy per se Gummies are harder,
though I don't really get whyper se.

Speaker 2 (44:53):
Yeah, it's way more funded, just because there's so
many options on the market,everybody's already found the
one that they like at the pricepoint they like.
Yeah, you know it's hard tochange people's opinions and
there's just too muchcompetition.
And really like gummies areharder to differentiate yourself
than chocolate.
I find you know what I mean,because the ingredients I use in

(45:14):
my chocolate, the flavors I cancreate in chocolate gummies,
are sugar and water with flavor.
It's true, there's only so muchyou can do, and even if you buy
mold, People are diehard.

Speaker 1 (45:23):
It doesn't make sense .

Speaker 2 (45:24):
I don't know why, when you try to do cool shaped
gummies, like often, they don'tlook super good, especially when
you sugarcoat them right.
I think spinach might be theanomaly there, or you know
theirs look pretty good.
But you know there's some thatyou look at them and you're like
what is it?
Those aren't good, though, Idon't like those.
No, I'm not talking about theflavor per se.

Speaker 1 (45:44):
No, but you just think.
Purely just for being identical, they are very uniform.
I appreciate it.
You know I like their shape,right?
Yeah, it looks good.

Speaker 2 (45:52):
It looks good, you know, even with the sugar
coating right.
Did you try the Gushery?

Speaker 1 (45:57):
ones?
Did you try?

Speaker 2 (45:57):
those.
No, I'll be honest, like Idon't eat a lot of Edible
gummies, I don't eat a lot ofedibles, like in general, like
other than my own, yeah, likeother than my own.
Yeah, I mean like I just I'lltry, I'll try them like I tried
the Lord Jones when they cameout.
You know, I mean cuz it's fivepieces per package at like six

(46:18):
dollars, yeah, so obviously whenI look at that I've got one
piece for 875.
I'm like, okay, this could be abit of a problem.
So you know, like I went, Ibought them and I was like yeah
okay, they're really not thatmuch of a problem, right,
they're decent products.
You know what I mean.
It's just the, the chocolateisn't, you know, super great.

(46:39):
You know what I mean.
I tried them.
It's mass market, you know it'slike Easter style chocolate,
whatever Like, they're good, thetexture's good the texture was
good, I thought.
The chocolate it just you knowwhat I mean.

Speaker 1 (46:51):
I could just taste the chocolate it wasn't great,
Like that Allen's chocolate yeah, I know what you're talking
about and like the chocolatemost white chocolate like.

Speaker 2 (46:58):
All I can taste is skim milk like skim milk powder,
for whatever reason, and thosewere like offensive they're good
, tell you, I, um, I went to adispensary and I had a rosin.

Speaker 1 (47:09):
It was on sale and I should have known it was old.
It was still okay, it was fine,but it, like it, had shriveled
and I felt like it was likedrier.
It was weird.
I don't know how to describe itto you.
Was that peanut butter one?
I totally got the job done.
It was like drier.
It was weird.
I don't know how to describe itto you.

Speaker 2 (47:21):
Was it a peanut butter one?
I totally got the job done.
It was fun.
The peanut butter and raspberryPeanut butter and raspberry,
but I'd never seen this On sale,you knew.
It was just funny I was like Iwas surprised.
The only thing I could think ofis there was like some sort of
temperature issue, some sort orsomething.
Probably they're super stable.
I should have known as soon asit was, so on sale.
I was like oh Ross had a greatdeal.

Speaker 1 (47:41):
You know what's too bad Products, that kind of come
and go that don't make itthrough the crowd, that are
actually decent.
You know what I mean?
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (47:53):
I feel like that's.

Speaker 1 (47:54):
I don't know where I was going with this story by the
way, fine in the end, Like itstill tasted pretty good, Even
though they had fucked it up andsomebody had like obviously.

Speaker 2 (48:02):
So, like you're saying the, I think it was in a
fridge.

Speaker 1 (48:03):
I think you're right that it was like in a fridge and
maybe it wasn't, and thenthat's my theory.

Speaker 2 (48:06):
So, yeah, I'm probably assuming if they put it
in the fridge.
They knew that it had melted,so they put it in the store
reached out to me yeah, I'll buythem back or we'll figure
something out like I'd rathernot have the car.
You know, I know, but I can'tcontrol that.

(48:27):
Like you know, every now andthen I go into the store and I
see the cranberry truffle stilland I buy them all.
You're like, don't sell those,I buy them all.
But like the reality is likeyou cut into them.
They're fucking perfect still.

Speaker 1 (48:39):
Yeah right, and, and they're fucking perfect.
Still, yeah, right, and, andthey're, they're I want.
The pistachio ones are gone.

Speaker 2 (48:42):
September, september 2022 for the cranberry.
And they're still fire.
They're still perfect, right,nice?

Speaker 1 (48:49):
Oh, yeah, fair enough .

Speaker 2 (48:53):
Like that.
That's like been the been.
The hardest part of the journeyis like understanding shelf
life, understanding wateractivity, understanding pH,
right Like there's a lot ofscience.
What A candy cane one.

Speaker 1 (49:05):
You ever do a candy cane, wasn't it?

Speaker 2 (49:07):
Uh, not in the, not in the legal market.
No, we had um peppermint andcandy cane one year in the
baller box.

Speaker 1 (49:13):
That's what I thought , that's what.

Speaker 2 (49:18):
I'm not really doing holiday LTOs just because of the
way that the OCS structuresthem.
After the holidays theydiscounted 50%.
So if you have any inventoryleft, you take a big hit.
You know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (49:32):
That's how that works .
Damn so we won't be seeing acandy can.
There used to be so manyholiday things that were kind of
fun, but I agree they're tough.

Speaker 2 (49:46):
Maybe if it's a one-time loading, but the last
time I did it they said it wouldbe a one-time loading and then
they came back with a secondorder and I had to scramble the
filling and then I think I tooka hit on some of them Would you
ever do a spreadable chocolate?

Speaker 1 (50:01):
That'd be fun.
Nutella Exists.
Someone did that.
Someone did that already.
I don't know.
It's like Someone did thatMaybe I'm just being a stoner,
or raw Nutella, it soundeddelicious to me, cool right, but
it's like I try to bringsomething more than that to the
table.

Speaker 2 (50:16):
You to the table.

Speaker 1 (50:17):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (50:18):
I'm really proud of all the chocolate recipes I made
, like all the chocolates, I'vedeveloped the different formats
I have.
You know, like there's fourdifferent formats, right, four
different price points.
And you know the reason forthat is I wanted to understand,
you know, what consumers wouldgo after, where the money was,

(50:40):
you know where the velocity was.
So you know I cast a reallywide net when I launched right.
Came out with the trufflesfirst, understood they were
doing really well.
Came out with the coins to tryto do something like a lower
price option.
Challenged with the coins,though, because they were all
flow through, there was no OCSMSRP, so stores were charging
whatever they wanted for it, andthey were meant to be the low

(51:03):
cost option to retail at $750.
Stores were charging $999because it's Ross and Henson's
two pieces, right.
So exactly what I didn't wantto happen happened.
That makes sense.
So you know like great thestores are making margin, but
the velocity is slow,unintrading.
You know what I mean so thestores that are selling them.

(51:25):
They keep bringing them in, butthe velocity is not there.
All right, right, so I'mgetting rid of some of the
two-piece coins.
The one-piece coins seem to dobetter.

Speaker 1 (51:34):
Okay, and kind of force the hand on the retailers
so it's not charged.

Speaker 2 (51:39):
Yeah, and the one-piece coin.
There's one of them.
That's general listing.
Yeah, so there's an MSRP.

Speaker 1 (51:45):
I love the strawberry .
The strawberry coins are bomb.
They're really good yeahstrawberry.

Speaker 2 (51:48):
I just submitted the tickets to delist them,
Strawberry and Yuzu, those twowere part of that one launch
when I did six.
Yeah, that's true, they neverreally got picked up because it
was Tiny milk chocolate, caramel, caramel shortbread sticks

(52:11):
right.

Speaker 1 (52:11):
So that was the first .
You know, do a layer.
Those are, you know, someterrible snack bar the twist
then there was two two coins.

Speaker 2 (52:17):
Two drops right and the drops is blew up.
So stores decided to bring inthe drops and they decided to
bring in the sticks, bars andthe coins.
Just kind of shit, the bed Kindof yeah.

Speaker 1 (52:27):
So it is what it is.
Yeah, man, it's hard to buy athousand I think I said that to
you, dude but you do pretty good, and I can't tell you how
grateful I am to be working withyou again and having you on
this show and having you as ourtitle sponsor, and so I just
wanted to shout you out, mr ToddNeal.
Can't wait, man.
Yeah, look at all the drops,that's some gangster shit man.

(52:48):
You really like stepped in andallowed us all to be here and
keep doing what we do so like.
Thanks, dude.

Speaker 2 (52:56):
No problem, yeah, no, I think it's important to have
voices like you guys in theindustry.
And you know, it's funny howthis came about, right, because
we're at Hall of Flowers.
Richard came up to me hey, youwant to sponsor the podcast?
I was like okay, it's a prettyeasy conversation, right?
I didn't ask any questions.
Well, what's my ROI?
What do I get out of it?

(53:24):
I didn't ask him that I was'tum spend money on publicity.
You know I don't spend moneyfor articles.
You know I don't spend money.
Um.
So you know, when Richard asked, I was like you know what, if
I'm going to spend money, I wantto spend it with the right
people for the right reasons, um, and so you know, here we are.

Speaker 1 (53:43):
Yeah, man, it feels like a beautiful partnership.
We look forward to promotingyour products throughout the
season and, um, you know, it'sso easy to uh work with that
brand that you really believe inand that you really trust and
you sell with confidence.

Speaker 2 (53:56):
And absolutely, man, yeah, I mean, like I remember,
coming here like before legalmarket with the baller box and
you know like you welcomed mewith open arms and you know I
met Richard last time I was heredoing the podcast.
He's always been super nice tome and it's okay, sure.

Speaker 1 (54:12):
Yeah, man, no, it's, it's.
It's appreciated, man, and I'msure we're going to have you on
some other time this season andlook forward to kind of shedding
some light maybe and havingsome more hot takes, because I
know you love a hot take.
You're a hot take, master, soyou're good at that.

Speaker 2 (54:27):
I'm Switzerland.
These days, I don't have a lotto say anymore.

Speaker 1 (54:31):
I'm Switzerland.
These days, no hot take.
Well, that's good, we can bethe ones that say it.

Speaker 2 (54:35):
Yeah, I mean, I don't want to put my foot in my mouth
.
There's a lot at stake rightnow.
You know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (54:42):
No, I like it.
Okay, cool, we'll keep it lowkey.
I don't know why I was going.
No, it's fine.
Wait hot takes.
Do you have right now, Sean I?

Speaker 2 (54:49):
have lots of opinions .
I just what hot takes do youhave?
I don't know that.

Speaker 1 (54:54):
my opinions are right .
People that send samples inlittle baggies.
They're really sad and pleasestop doing it.
Yeah, please.

Speaker 2 (55:02):
At least put some branding on it.
At least put some branding onit, man?
No, but it's not a goodrepresentation of the sample,
right?
It just shows how you do.
Anything is how you doeverything, right?
Yeah, you're giving out samples.
You want stores to buy yourproduct and what you've done is
you bought a half quarter, yeah,split it into three and a half

(55:27):
bags.
Okay, label it with a Sharpiethat you can't even read and
you're dropping that at stores.
Right, and that's like.
That's the state of the of the.
You know, like the sales reps,right?
Like you can't blame the.
You know, like the sales reps,right?
Like you can't blame the repsbecause you know somebody taught
them that.
That's the way.
You know what I mean, but likeit's certainly not.

(55:48):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (55:50):
Like it's certainly not, but I can hit the vacuum
cleaner, that's all good.
Man, that's the live studio inthe back of the shop.
No, I really hope so, sharpie.
Man, that's the live studio inthe back of the shop.
No, I really hope so.
Sharpie is funny.
That's what you're thinking,todd.
I got ones that had like agoddamn ballpoint pen.
I couldn't even see what it was.
You can see the indents but nowriting right.

(56:11):
Yeah, like what is this?
Honestly too, I'm not evengoing to lie.

Speaker 2 (56:22):
Like I'm thinking Hall up.
I'm like buddy, I'm tired.
I'm not even gonna chuff thisweed I'm.

Speaker 1 (56:31):
that is kind of true, you know.

Speaker 2 (56:36):
Yeah, I didn't get a single sample from home.
Actually, no, I got one samplefrom Hall of Flowers, but that's
because Funny story I waswalking through Hall of Flowers
I got a phone call.
That first batch of strawberryfor the peanut butter and jelly
flower was strawberry guava.
Right, had seeds in it, oh no.
So I'm walking by a booth and Ihear somebody say strawberry.
So I walk in the booth and Istarted talking to them.
There's a strawberry strain.

(56:57):
That was the only sample I tookhome with me.
I didn't, they wouldn't sell itto me.
They're like they don't, theydon't want to compete with me.
Oh, I'm like there is nocompetition.
Right, like this is like asmall niche rosin brand.
Um, you know, if I can sell acouple bags of flour, cool.
But like I'm not trying to takeover the flower game, I'm not

(57:19):
trying to be.
You know all about flower.
Yeah, once Q and Sorry, youfeel threatened.
Oh no, I Love a good littlestrawberry.
Go on.
But all right, like to this day, is is still the best one that
I've tried out of everything.
I'm still smoking with theseeds in it.

Speaker 1 (57:39):
But I just I couldn't put it in my face.

Speaker 2 (57:42):
Launch that knowing and like the right they're not
even seeds, they're tiny littlemicro seeds, but like when
you're breaking up, you can hearthem drop out, it doesn't
affect the smoke, like there'sno popping, there's no, no
flavor issues.
But I couldn't do it.

Speaker 1 (57:58):
You know what I mean, consciously, I knew, so I was
just like I really like thisimage, the warm-up of this one
Really a big fan.
The sandwich with the bite outof it and then gosh we trust.
Yeah, is this the exact one?
Is this going to come like this?
Yeah, that's the exact bag,right there.

Speaker 2 (58:17):
That's amazing.
And the and of bread as well.
Okay, cool Terms are going tobe on the back here with the
barcode.

Speaker 1 (58:23):
I really like that man.
Honestly, that's a huge hit forit.
As far as American packagingand stuff, it's detailed right.

Speaker 2 (58:30):
Yeah, stupid, right it's a slice of bread.
The label is a slice of bread,but there was thought put behind
that and that's what's lackingso much in this industry.
Or else there was thought putbehind it but it was 10 dudes
sitting in a boardroom saying,guys, we got to sell.
Like, what's next?
What's next?

(58:50):
Right, like this is so much apart of my life that this comes
to me as I'm driving.
You know the edible flavors.
They come to me while I'mworking.
I develop the recipe in my headand then I go home and I make
it right and like 90% of thetime, like they're small tweaks
because I know the flavor sowell, I know the intensity of
every flavor.

(59:10):
Like this is just, this is notnine to five and that's really
the big difference.
Right Like, I'm always thinkingabout this and that's why, like
you know, the small details arethought of.
You know like the products, youknow like, for the most part,
they're, they're always, they'vealways been good.
Right like, yeah, man, justbecause it's not, I'm not just

(59:34):
trying to.
Okay, so our last 20 products,the what 20 products are we
launching this quarter and what20 products are we launching
next quarter?
Because the only revenue boosta lot of LPC is with new
launches, people buy it.
Shit's the bed.
New products shit's the bed,right, but like this is

(59:55):
confusing the consumer, like I'msure you guys have stored.
It's annoying when a branddrops 20 products.
You don't know what one tobring in.
Are you making the rightdecision?
Is the one that you brought inthe shitty one?

Speaker 1 (01:00:08):
you know what I mean.
Like it's it's hard honestly, Ifeel like me and john even pick
pretty good, and lately it'sbeen like sometimes you pick
good shit and you're stillgetting fucked.
So when, when?

Speaker 2 (01:00:19):
you go on wholesale July 2nd.
There's only one.
Rosin has product.
You don't have to think whichone am I going to bring in?
Yeah, I'm going to get.

Speaker 1 (01:00:27):
the Rosin has drop, you bring in the one.

Speaker 2 (01:00:28):
Yeah, it's a good strategy.
Does it work?
Let me know.

Speaker 1 (01:00:42):
Cases yeah, yeah, yeah, take a chance on six.
I'm gonna take a chance on six.
Bring in the what's the?

Speaker 2 (01:00:46):
PB&J pack, peanut butter and jelly Extensions.
I've got line extensions ready.
We'll see where it goes in,like that.
That's.
That was a cool thing, right,because the second that I had
the peanut butter, you know Ihad the line extensions ready in
it.
Like I was like running aroundthe office with my fucking arms
going and everybody's justlooking at me like are you okay?
I'm like listen man, like stilllike it's real now, right, it's

(01:01:08):
in people's faces.
And people are still looking atme like are you okay?

Speaker 1 (01:01:14):
Like All right man Well.
Season three, episode one, ourboy Todd, that was dope man,
thanks for coming by today.
Remember, follow at RosenheadChocolate.

Speaker 2 (01:01:26):
At Rosenhead.
So the main account you have totype the whole thing in.

Speaker 1 (01:01:31):
Instagram doesn't like me.
Okay, we're shadow man, yeah,instagram doesn't like me.

Speaker 2 (01:01:35):
So at Rosenhead Chocolate, yeah, the backup
account.
The backup account is fun,though, because I put like some
really random shit on there.
Okay, I'm doing like some ofthe graphics on myself now.
Okay, like a good amount of it.
So what's the backup?
So the backup page is RosanetChocolate.

Speaker 1 (01:01:54):
Okay, that's what I did.

Speaker 2 (01:01:54):
I got it right the first time, but you'll see yeah
you'll just see some like randomshit on there, shit that I
won't put on the main page, andremember, guys, all our episodes
are on YouTube and Spotify andSpotify Follow at Higher Orbit
Share, subscribe, share.

Speaker 1 (01:02:10):
Thank you, love you guys.
Thanks for listening.

Speaker 2 (01:02:23):
See you soon.
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