March 7, 2024 • 52 mins
Navigating through the ever-shifting landscape of the cannabis industry can feel like an uphill battle; from finding a suitable location that doesn’t balk at the nature of our trade to the grip of bureaucracy that tightens around the throats of our finances. We know this all too well, having faced the cold shoulder from landlords. In our latest episode, join us as we pull back the curtain on these challenges, offering a raw, unfiltered look into the struggles and successes that define the cannabis industry today.
We're beyond thrilled to have a master grower with us; Ben Pandovani - Treez Botanicals and Siege Cannabis, sharing the rich tapestry of his journey from basement cultivator to cannabis industry up and comer. His story is one of a vision scaled to reality, marked by a passion for quality and innovation, from Permanent Marker and Apple Fritter crosses to the classic Himalayan Gold. As they reminisce about partnerships that paved the way from the black market shadows to the legal limelight, our guest offers a treasure trove of insights on the cultivation craft, vertical farming, and the collaborative spirit fueling the industry's growth.
Wrapping up with a heart-to-heart as we explore the personal side of the cultivation world, from juggling the demands of parenting to the backing of our ever-supportive spouses. We delve into a candid discussion about the future of cannabis strains, the nuances of growing mediums, and the potent effects they can have on the final product. The conversation rounds off facing the gritty realities of excise taxes and regulatory mazes, with a glimmer of hope for the Ontario market, where innovation continues to sprout amidst the tangles of the industry's challenges.
We're beyond thrilled to have a master grower with us; Ben Pandovani - Treez Botanicals and Siege Cannabis, sharing the rich tapestry of his journey from basement cultivator to cannabis industry up and comer. His story is one of a vision scaled to reality, marked by a passion for quality and innovation, from Permanent Marker and Apple Fritter crosses to the classic Himalayan Gold. As they reminisce about partnerships that paved the way from the black market shadows to the legal limelight, our guest offers a treasure trove of insights on the cultivation craft, vertical farming, and the collaborative spirit fueling the industry's growth.
Wrapping up with a heart-to-heart as we explore the personal side of the cultivation world, from juggling the demands of parenting to the backing of our ever-supportive spouses. We delve into a candid discussion about the future of cannabis strains, the nuances of growing mediums, and the potent effects they can have on the final product. The conversation rounds off facing the gritty realities of excise taxes and regulatory mazes, with a glimmer of hope for the Ontario market, where innovation continues to sprout amidst the tangles of the industry's challenges.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Minus 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 8 and 10, start 4, 3, 2, 1.
Hola, Carlitos.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
What's up, buddy?
Speaker 1 (00:20):
I'm John and I'm Charlie, and this is Iron man.
I don't know.
I went off the radar.
I told you I was going to besomething different.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
I love it buddy Hola how are you?
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Muy bien, buenas noches.
It's all our international fans.
Welcome to the back of the shop.
We're here in another episodeof Chirobit.
I'm not even that stoned.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
He's stoned for a loop, but we're firing it up.
Just me and Sean to start, butwe do have an awesome guest to
bring on in a little bit.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Yeah, another master grower, I'll just leave it there
.
We'll leave it there.
We'll leave you guessing for asecond, but another master
grower will please have this.
Keep the suspense going.
Keep the suspense going.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Yeah, we get the rare occasion of just shooting the
shit, you and me.
It doesn't happen too often,does it?
Speaker 1 (01:02):
No, no, I think we're going to try and do that a
little bit more, coming up tooin the next little bit, right?
Or at least my understanding isthat's the goal anyway.
So look forward to me andCharlie just grinding it out and
talking a little bit more aboutwhat we do, and what's going on
?
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Yeah, honestly, I think we should do one where we
just like each crush a case ofsheesh and see what happens.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
I know what'll happen One of us will be in the toilet
.
I don't want to be mean now,maybe not with the sheesh, but I
know that it's a lot of sugarfor it.
I will say maybe not the sugarin general.
Yeah, but I think there'ssomething of the process with
that.
I went to an event once and Ihad to be too many of those and
I just it didn't work out.
We'll leave it there.
I was not feeling great and Ithink it's just because they're
(01:42):
not meant to be consumed at thatvelocity.
If that meant you wouldn't havetwo or three, not like seven or
eight or nine.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
No, I feel terrible.
I can only imagine I usuallycut it off around three, if I
can make it that far.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
What did you want to kick it off with?
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Well, I mean, there's like lots of stuff to talk
about.
I mean, considering our kind ofupdates, we're at a funny spot.
You and me kind of been runningaround again playing that game
that we played almost threeyears ago more than that.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Oh, like trying to find a space right now, I'm just
running into the same bullshitwith the people that it's a joke
.
It's an absolute joke.
The old Italian guys and theGreek guys, you don't understand
our business and don't wantanything to do with it.
It's everybody.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Nobody wants us to succeed.
It's a bizarre occurrence, likejust to be, you know,
participating and seeing itunfold in real time, and I think
there's a great segue in allthe other things because there's
so many you know it's brutaltoo not even a callback.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
I feel like a lot of people have been sending a lot
of emails and just no responseand I'm like that's hilarious.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
I don't need to call it a back, not even professional
right, like, exactly Like.
How disrespectful is that?
It's just unbelievable.
It's been many, many years thatit's been legal Four years
since we started doing this.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
I didn't think it was going to be a little bit
different and I thought that,like once I had already had a
location in a business that'sestablished, that's thriving and
stuff that they would be likemore open to.
You know, hearing us out, Iguess, but so far not so much.
Any of our listeners know anycommercial landlords that want
to rent to fine entrepreneurslike ourselves?
(03:17):
You let us know.
Okay, buddy, we'll do it thehard way.
We'll do it the hard way.
You named it, yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Yeah, I guess that the other big news that dropped
today was the fact that the CRAis starting to garnish payment
from LPs.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Oh, we're talking tax , the big aubergine that they're
breaking out on the licensedproducers.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
It's pretty huge news , I mean for anyone who doesn't
really know what's going on.
I mean, certainly tax could usea revisit in terms of how it's
a part of the business, in termsof how it's applied to the
cannabis industry.
But it's like we said, like youcan't avoid it.
That's the parameter thatexists Pay your taxes death and
taxes.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
So am I right Like?
So the idea is it would be likethe Provincial Board, say the
Alberta Board, the BC Board, theOntario Cannabis Store in our
province.
They're going to garnish fromtheir payment back to these LPs.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Essentially, so the.
Cra is like oh, ocs LP XYZ,they owe like $5 million in tax.
Yep, what do they have in yourinventory?
What do?
Speaker 1 (04:25):
you owe them An excise and all the stamped
product that they have.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
No it's just literally their payment that
they're supposed to receive.
Got it, Got to get it.
Okay, it's like you said.
It's the ultimate auberginebuddy For people who don't know.
I used to work in the bank andI used to be able to see that,
and it's punishment.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
It's just all of a sudden your money is jacked,
it's gone.
It was an account right orwhatever.
You got it, we're taking thatfrom you.
Yeah, Punished buddy.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
So we're in a cash flow business, I think that the
number was too.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
I think there's about 75% of licensed producers.
I'm pretty sure that I readthat number All right Behind on
excise tax, which doesn't reallysurprise me that much.
I do know I heard I was talkingto a lawyer because I'm part of
that normal group, the nationalorganization for marijuana
reform law, nice.
He said that, yeah, they'regoing to have to lobby to
(05:19):
basically not do that, but thatthere's nothing.
He was like is there anythingthat the license producers can
do to kind of delay this?
And he was like not reallyBasically, you're right, the
ultimate.
Yeah, that's it.
They were put on notice, theseguys.
They probably swung it out.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
I mean it's tough.
Again, like I said, I probablydon't know enough about it.
I'm not sure about it.
It's just a little bit of asurprise, I'm not sure about it.
It's a little bit of a surprise, I'm not sure about it, I'm not
sure, I'm just not sure, I'mnot sure.
I mean, you know, I'm not sureabout it.
I don't know if I know that yet.
I don't think I know that yet.
I'm just wondering about theLike the nuance of how the tax
is and it should get relooked at.
(05:55):
But the government's justanother big business.
So like they need, they needtheir peace, right.
Like we're still catching up ona lot of things, a lot of big
issues, and you know we talkabout it too.
Like cannabis kind of getskicked way down the line board.
Another interesting thing too,just off the top of my head here
there was some new datareleased, stats can, related to
(06:16):
cannabis and the size of themarket, and they're estimating
that the rec and med market tobe about five billion.
Okay, with the illicit to beconservatively around 30 to 50
percent, which is such a hugerange.
And I mean, like I studiedstats, at the end of the day,
(06:37):
you can make up whatever fuckingnumbers you want to make up.
It's very easy to Manipulatethose and, at the end of the day
too, with something like theblack market, it's pretty
impossible to put your finger onit.
It's like once you try tomeasure it, it's changed and the
reality is probably have nofucking idea how big it really
is.
And again, they have no reasonto really address it either.
(07:00):
Right, they created an industrythat's like by all means
humming along for them, everyonein the government's fucking
printing, but on the privatesector that's kind of you know,
eats the shit sandwiches.
It's, it's tough.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
It is really tough.
Um, I was actually thinking Idon't know.
Relating Germany likedecriminalized simple possession
yeah, that's huge.
No, that's massive no andapparently I got clarification
on it, but ability to formcannabis clubs apparently is
gonna be in a of importance, hmm, which I thought was an
interesting approach.
What does that mean?
Speaker 2 (07:35):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
I'll have to wait for more, but I was
decriminalization, simplepossession, home cultivation
with the ability to formcannabis clubs.
Hmm, yeah, that's what I heardan increased medical access, so
that's more.
It's not like full legalization.
I'm a wreck yet, but that doessound pretty dope and I wonder
what that means.
I've never actually, I've onlybeen to Germany once, but I
(07:57):
wonder.
I'd love to talk to someGermans about that.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
I don't really know much about it either, but I know
that they're taking a similarstance and really trying to keep
it out of the hands of youngpeople.
You know, as they should I also.
I think most of the weed comesfrom Canada.
I was gonna say they must begrowing some pretty fire wheat
over there too.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
I'd have to think I was also thinking how funny it
is that we have such anoversupply and we're exporting
all the weeds still.
And what happens when all thesecompanies legalize?
Speaker 2 (08:25):
the dust forget it.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
We're not paying you your taxes for your old car, for
your old garbage that you'reshipping over here from Canada.
Sorry, I hate to be mean, butyou know stuff in the vault that
they probably can't move also.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
It's true.
It the same thing happens here,man.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Sometimes you get a box and you're like man well,
you just know I'm excited outand curious to know what our
guest is gonna think about it.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
I was asking about that.
Yeah that's definitely.
We can kind of get into thatfor sure.
There was also, I Mean, I thinkit was kind of in the works for
a while.
It was a little bit fuzzy andand cloudy in terms of what it
means and what it's even meantto do, but the new kind of
secret Strategy table was formed.
(09:09):
We kind of know you know who'sin there now, but it's it's the
innovation, science and economicdevelopment forum.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Oh, okay, so this was the good.
This is the board that was puttogether by the government of
Canada, that's you got it, soyou know.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
I mean, it's interesting.
I don't know the government.
Again, I think it's agovernment, but basically my
understanding is they're tryingto get leaders in the industry
to come to the table and be likeyou guys Need to figure out all
your shit, because they'reheads up their ass and they
don't know what the fuck they'redoing.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
I think our board he goes heading it, if I'm not
mistaken, mr Mr Alves yeah, yeah, there's a lot of, a lot of big
like top-end players.
Organogram CEO, I think RaiSchrofner over at was there any
independence at all on thisboard?
No.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
I went there, buddy.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
I guess you're right.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Yeah, I thought they wouldn't have one squeezes on
small business man.
I did see like on LinkedIn.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
There was like a big peanut gallery regarding it,
though, so that was funny.
I guess people thought it waslike a very obvious non attempts
to make it.
We'll see inclusive.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
But we'll see, man.
I mean, you never know.
There's definitely some varyinginterests there.
It's a broad selection.
I think a lot of them are likethe CEOs or higher-ups at LPs,
which of course is kind ofinteresting.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
So my my understanding, though, the basic
premise of the council is toCommunicate what they need to
succeed, kind of thing, andhopefully move, move it forward,
move the needle forward intheory.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Again, it's something set up without a clear agenda,
like there's not really a set.
What's the word I'm looking for?
Mandate, as far as I know.
But you know, looking on thepositive side of things, you
know I've been trying to be lesscynical these days.
It's certainly a step in theright direction, right?
I mean, I don't know a lot ofthe individuals.
(11:04):
What do you got there?
Speaker 1 (11:05):
I've been really into the chem doser.
I'm gonna shout at that outbefore I don't think so.
East can.
Don't sleep on east can.
I'm really good cure to it andthat's a funky Terps for sure.
Yeah, I really like that, a kemigassiness to it and I thought
they did it.
We're talking about this, so Idon't know.
Also find it's like a cerebralhigh and I don't crash too hard.
(11:28):
Keeps it going for the cat, thechem doser and just kind of
chem dog straightens in general.
I just love San Fernando Valley.
Oh gee, have a lot of chem dogand chem dog and chem dog.
Oh gee, and that's where gas.
There's a lot of gas salarykind of gas chemie.
I'm not.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
I'm not a lineage expert, but I feel like that's
uh, it's a gangster strain, butyeah, just to circle back to
that like it's gotta be no, no,you're good.
It is definitely a step in theright direction.
You know who knows what Agendasare at play, right, like
certainly you know.
You see the head of Canadacommand and you're like, well,
(12:07):
fuck, guys got, I think, thebiggest network of stores which,
by the way, across the nationwe're now up to 3684 stores,
legal Stores, across Canada cool.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
I mean just quite close to like 4,000 if you
include the illegal ones.
It's crazy.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Who knows hard to count right.
That's fucking pop-up every day.
Oh Sun says that now a lot, alot of shitty retailers out
there, though Sorry, I just gotto say it Lot of a lot of shitty
retailers.
Yeah, there are.
There are shitty menus outthere.
There are some shitty menus,yeah, no, I mean again for those
(12:48):
who don't know, that's why thisstore exists, cosmic Charlie's,
like.
I've just never really comeinto a store where I felt like
it suited my needs and what Iwanted in an experience, and I
mean, certainly there are goodOperators, there's good retail
stores.
There aren't some good menus to, though, of course, I've been
impressed a lot of people havefigured it out.
It's not like we have the, thespecial sauce, not like a secret
(13:10):
recipe, but there's certainlevel of opinion that goes into
it.
And yeah, you know, like I,just it's crazy how many I Guess
kind of corporate dust stores Iwould call them corporate
dusties, yeah who do thepay-to-play and it's it
continues to kind of fuck up themarket with perpetual dust Kind
(13:31):
of cycling through the systemlike spinach and tweed.
I Wasn't gonna name names, yeahyou're good, I hate spinach
organogram.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Yeah well, we sell a lot of organogram there.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
We do, it sells, yeah , yeah, you can't be denied.
You know, again I want it'shard because I'm trying to tow a
fine line, because I've alwaysbeen adamant about you know,
smoke what you want, smoke whatyou can afford.
It is what it is.
But when you have players kindof operating and I guess a
(14:04):
system that really comes fromalcohol, as far as I know when
it's literally here's money,bring in my product and then you
have the kickback, basicallyWay of doing things, you got it.
So you know, it's again, it'sjust continuing the cycle, it's
continuing the flow of their oldI will say I remember before it
(14:25):
was like.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
I don't remember, though, charlie.
That has been a shift inmentality, that like we wouldn't
even get offered those deals,and now at least we get offered
them.
Yeah, no, we knew it washappening, but it was like it
was all like oh no, it's nothappening though.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
Yeah, closed doors, it was, that's right, and now it
happens for big stores peoplejust coming in.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
They offer us those same deals too, so but it's so
different for us at scale.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
Fraction to what?
Speaker 1 (14:48):
they get.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
Yeah, like I won't name the retailer, but I
remember a retailer telling meevery time a submit story gets
like 10 to 15 grant right offthe top and that's like you know
that's probably close to maybewhat we spend average.
It really depends.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Sometimes we do fat orders and they're 30, but also
find it funny, and it's likewe're not allowed to induce
customers into buying weed, butthat's basically an inducement
to buy their weed.
So like that's kind of funny.
This kind of an irony thereisn't it.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
It's a joke right, it's a fucking joke.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
I don't know I kind of thought as it is, so I
thought that was pretty prettyfunny.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
but again, you know, like even going up to how the
data works, and it seems like alot of key decision-makers use
data, just you know, as the, theholy source, and so, yeah, when
you know your tweets and yourHuge LPs are moving weight
because of these systems, it'sperpetually keeping it in the
(15:43):
system.
It's blocking other people fromgetting in there, although the
OCS has said that they and they,to be fair do a pretty good job
at trying to be fair andbringing people in.
What is this?
The Camdozer?
Speaker 1 (15:58):
So camey and sour yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
I'm good, right, let's see what the showrunner
thinks.
He thought I'd smell like aturkey dinner.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
No, no, no, that's the say, the sage and the Sour,
and a sherbet sour, sherbet sour.
That was from Eddie hippie,it's from Dylan.
Oh Okay, got you, got you.
It tastes pretty good though,but it does.
There's something cheesy aboutit.
I think that's what theoff-putting thing is in there,
(16:27):
yeah, but it almost reminds meof like an all-dress chip, like
an all-terped weed.
That's what it should be called.
All terps, in my opinion, butwe'll roll that later.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Man, you gotta love the plant.
It's the natural form of thesefunky ass flavors.
Yeah, so delicious, sodelicious, yeah, sorry, no, yeah
, you threw me off track alittle bit.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
All right, sorry, ocs you're pissed off.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Oh, I'm not that pissed off.
Oh yeah, the OCS getting better.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
You know they're we, they get induced.
These other stores get induced.
We don't get it.
We're not allowed to inducepeople.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
Well, you know, it's so strange, like really now to
even going to the point of, youknow, selling and getting
kickbacks is getting moreaggressive because people can't
move their shit.
And so now and we see it on asmaller scale you bring in too
much shit.
They have the hugest warehouse,the biggest warehouse of
cannabis on the planet.
They have old, ancient boxes ofdust and then you cycle it in
(17:32):
and they get pepper you one andthey're like oh hey, months,
that's a shame.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
Yeah, you know, what I didn't realize too and that's
a funny one is that I didn'trealize that, um, is it nine
months in Ontario?
Everywhere else is less, no way, not cool.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Well, that's because.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
They over saturate themselves we talk about this
all posted and their rules aredifferent.
Different from it's nine monthsfrom package and I think for
some of these guys I think it'ssix months from when they
receive it or say they probablyhave half the skews but they
don't hold, they don't allow toreceive things that are more
than three months old.
You feel me?
Where is the OCS will takestuff.
They have half the skews,though, and we're nice that
(18:11):
they're gonna sell it before thenine months comes up.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
OCS, I think, is approaching four thousand and
you know, even it's just thenature of saturating yourself.
You're gonna sit on stuff andit's just it's like a little
poison, because whatever happensis either we get stuck bag
holding and you know, we got adoggy.
Now we're selling it at a costor at a loss because I don't
want to rip someone off or theypunish the LP and they're like,
(18:38):
oh, the nine months elapsed, I'mnot gonna sell it and push it
on our Partners as you love.
You love that word that was yes, calls us to partners.
And then they punish them andthey say, buddy, I'm a boxy
later, pretty much.
And then what do they fuckingdo with it?
They probably repack it intosome weird rotational skew which
honestly I'm rotational skews.
(18:59):
I don't?
Speaker 1 (19:00):
we don't know why sometimes.
I know I really like them tobegin with, but maybe we'll
leave it there and talk when wecome back.
Yeah, I'm gonna smoke thischemo.
Is there maybe a rosin had?
Grab yourself with a special.
We got a guy, got herself a canof sheesh.
Sit back, relax.
We'll be back With a veryspecial guest.
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Speaker 2 (19:23):
We really appreciate it.
Thanks for listening, guys.
We'll be back.
Welcome back in the back of theshop still open.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
I Didn't know we're gonna start, I mean the cooking
stuff.
I'm just joking, I really don'tcare.
We got our special guest here.
If anybody was paying attentionwatching on YouTube.
Charlie, I was wearing the twobecause a little Easter egg hint
for you.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
We got our boy Then part of honey.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
Betty trees then a tree.
They call you.
That's it.
That's it.
Thanks for having me.
This is a master.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
Grow up cheese botanicals, yeah father three
yeah thanks, samuel NoahBeautiful life.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
Vanessa.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
Beautiful, oh good, lovely family.
Thanks for making it all theway down, man.
We were excited to meet you andwe're always, you know we feel
blessed to get growers on theshow.
It's.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
It's awesome like yeah, yeah, so something I'm not
good at yet, I'm trying, butI'm growing this white truffles
and some motor breath right now.
I'll send you some photos, Idon't know.
I feel like I've been trying tomess with the pH, like dialing
that in, because I feel like mywater is really hard, mm-hmm.
Just get a good pH tester.
(20:45):
I got yeah, I'm working on that.
I have one.
I have one.
I feel like I'm just learninghow to use it, if that makes
sense.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
Yeah, just YouTube videos.
That's how I learned.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Totally.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
Now you can just ask Google what to do, and yeah
they're looking pretty beastly.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
You're right, I shouldn't like.
I'm figuring it out, it's onlymy second run.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
I think you're doing pretty good and I mean, you know
, I, I don't know, maybe, maybeI'm wrong, but I'm sure most
growers feel like they're neverlike mastered it, like there's
always, it's always like fuckcould have done that, or I'll be
awesome surprise, I'm even.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
I'm even on the show.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
We're so humble dude, yeah, yeah, no, you you've been
.
I mean, a lot of people may notknow you.
We know the trees name.
It's like, from ourunderstanding, you do a lot more
B2B right.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Yeah, so you work with some big brands like black
market caramel, right yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
Yeah, I currently I grow for caramel.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
Right now, shut up to the caramel boys and you and
Billy have a history rightMistaken, you guys are friends.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
We're friends but just just met inside the
industry.
Yeah, billy drew, oh, we Dustin.
They're all cool, great guys.
It's awesome.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
Yeah, yeah.
So wait to you.
You have two micros, or no?
Speaker 3 (21:58):
so I started with trees and just recently Me and
my business partner, mike, got anew.
How big is your canopy At thenew place?
It's 5200 square feet.
So we got All right.
It's news so like I don't knowoff the top of my head.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
I'm.
Where's the new one?
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Yeah um where you growing out of.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
Well, I've my first location trees that.
That one is in Brantford andthat's just small like total
canopy.
I'm just shy of the 2150 and Iactually went up.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
You doubled up, though that's yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
I actually go to triple in some locations really.
Yeah, but I don't like it's toohard on the room.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
Like vertical.
Yeah, you should blow it uplike vertically in the stock.
It Crazy dude.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
Yeah, so, but and then I just recently in October
Actually I got the new spot,which that one's just one level
that was just one.
Yeah, and we actually just hadour second harvest there.
Congratulations, yeah, yeah, soit's going good, yeah man,
that's awesome, dude.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
How long you've been growing trees for?
Speaker 3 (23:09):
Well, I was growing in my basement, for I don't even
know the years, to be honest.
Yeah it's been more than 10years now, I think, but I mean
when I was in high schoolgrowing inside like the park so
you're on by the first train yougrew.
Himalayan gold.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
That's very cool man.
That's fucking sick, yeah.
So like I don't know if youwant to just share a little bit
about, like, what yourTechniques are.
I don't know, like everyone'skind of got their own method to
the madness, but I mean you,you're so kind and generous
enough to show all and yeah,what did you bring in for us
today?
Speaker 1 (23:49):
I'm sure some some treats there.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
Maybe I'll roll something up, yeah okay, so this
is a bunch of stuff.
This is a pinnacle marker fromthe marker.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
Nice.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
A lot of buzz on that train right now.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
Wow Again, the names for all these were super fitting
.
Like that definitely smellslike you know, little dry erase
Sharp beer or something likethat.
Whoa interesting.
I feel like I'm gonna love it.
I've always said that I lovethat aroma.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
That one's the cab junkie.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
Yes, this one was probably the best looker Wow of
the the crew.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
Yeah, which one's your favorite of these ones?
Speaker 3 (24:31):
of these ones, this is, it would be this one your
babies.
Actually I like the permanentmarker you like the permanent
marker.
Yeah, it doesn't really.
It's probably not the mostshowiest.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
Let's give it a try.
That's the beauty.
I really definitely delivers onthat, like burt rubber.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
But, I really like this one too.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
This is the apple fritter crosses it'll sitles is
one of my favorite all-timestrains bro.
Like I can't even tell you howmuch I like that strain so big
shout out to Billy because hegave me some of these cuts.
Oh did he nice man, yeah,that's funny.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
I just having like a funny memory.
Sorry that you don't hear thatas much.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
Passing around the bag.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
Well, I just remember like I used to live with my
brother and you know, obviously,kind of the black market days.
I just remember, you know, andhomie would show up and I could
just hear I was there half thetime.
Yeah, but that that sound isjust.
(25:33):
It's like a nostalgic sound tome, I guess in a funny way.
Old school it's nice to seewe've been at bags.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
Yeah, and the the cap junkie I'm actually releasing
with a Primo in the spring andbig shout out to primo because
well, yeah, so the primo family.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
That's another family business right and they grow in
a well Ontario right yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
That's dope.
So that'll be the first kind ofI mean again, you, the people
have smoked your flower out inthe market, for sure by us, some
of your partners, but I'll beawesome to kind of see the trees
brand out there, right.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, one day, yeah, oh yeah, you need a
hand.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
You got it.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
So I actually At the same time I just was starting
with Carmel permanent markers sosticky bro.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
It's crazy.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
Sorry, I didn't mean to cut you, no worries, I really
stop with the black marketthat's right, I remember.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
Oh, that's you.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
I am the consignante.
You did the banjo right.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
Banjo.
Yeah, wow, I was like actuallyhad my name on it, so I was like
whoa, this is one of mytrophies.
Actually, I got a pretty cool.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
Oh, because it says she's mechanical.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
Yeah, I guess you got like recognition.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
I think I was asking you that before we kind of um,
you know, I jumped on the podlike is it ever weird to kind of
be the public master or likeand the bridesmaid and ever the
bride kind Of thing, or is itlike doesn't bother you?
You're saying that right, it'slike whatever man Good weeds,
good weed and like.
Yeah, I guess, if somebody likeblack market or Carmel, like
these aren't like Slouch brands,right, so like, if they want to
(27:15):
work with you, then there'ssomething cool there.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
Yeah, and they're just.
They're awesome people to workwith, so yeah man.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
Thank you so much, man.
That's so cool.
I remember when we grabbedthese.
I'm such a cool concept, Ithink it's.
It's great again whenever youknow it's all family.
It tries to be at least thesmaller producers and bringing
people out and you know, gettingpeople and lifting them up.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
Yeah, yeah and, honestly, if it wasn't for
probably Carmel, I probablywouldn't.
Maybe it got into there, right?
So it's all about your trackrecord, yeah, and like who you
know in this industry, becauseyeah, networking and shit right
yeah, cuz I know a lot of peoplewho do have good weed but I
just can't get rid of Really.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
That's so interesting .
Speaker 3 (28:02):
And it's and it's a ruthless market, like deals fall
apart.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
You think some people don't get paid and shit.
I've been here, yeah well, I've, I've.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
I've honestly, I've only worked with good people.
Ontario micro growers.
Oh yeah, they're solid yeahlike I worked with them as well.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
They had a unicorn.
A unicorn truffle that I reallyliked, good when it was fresh.
But yeah, I know those guys arenice, they're cool.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
Yeah, yeah so.
But yeah, I've heard, I'veheard people not getting paid,
so like no man, I think thatgoes like any business.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
They make sure you like, just like, do your
research and here you're workingwith it.
Oh yeah, I don't know.
I know it sounds simple, but,um, trust your gut and stuff too
, like I don't know.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
Yeah, I saw some video on on LinkedIn.
Sorry, let's go on.
No, no.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
I don't know like there's this one.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
I don't know anything , I don't know any names, I just
it's one.
I don't even know if it's adeep fake, but if Some big CEO I
don't know even know I think itwas in the state somewhere said
let's not pay the little guysbecause they just can't survive
if, if they can't continue, thenlike they're not gonna come
after us right, yeah, you know.
(29:11):
I don't even know if that wasreal.
You know, it's like a video Isaw and like and like I could
see myself being in thatsituation, like oh wow, you know
right.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
Well, there was, like I was, quite a while ago.
I, it was the Canadian CEO, whothey have the ankle bite or
comment, so you're not too faroff, right?
Um, I think there'll always bea place for it.
Again, like I said, noteveryone wants to smoke the
booth, right?
Like no, no joke, right Likethere's always gonna be a market
for fire weed, as far as I know, I mean.
(29:42):
Yeah, 100% yeah 100% yeah, so Iguess just dialing it back to
like you started growing.
How do you get to this pointwhere you're like fuck, I'm
gonna mark partner up with yourpartner.
Mic Shout out to Mike, yeah,yeah so to.
Mike and kind of join on thiscrazy ride.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
Yeah, I don't know, I , I really I just I don't know.
I used to work construction andI had a decent job before and I
legit.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
That's what you used to do before you Grew weed.
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
All right, like I.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
like it was unionized like trade, like like skilled
trades and shit.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
I was a trim carpenter actually.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
All right.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
Yeah, so I did a lot of baseball indoors.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
But you work with your hands and I guess, growing,
there's a lot of working withyour hands.
All right, wouldn't you say?
Speaker 2 (30:29):
no, and you probably got to build out your rooms
right.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
Yeah, of course, and like I mean, I was growing as I
was like, of course.
I figured yeah, I didn't justlike all of a sudden cut off,
but like yeah, I just alwayslike and I was always like that.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
There's a hobby and you're like I'm gonna do this
for a living.
Speaker 3 (30:44):
So how do you do?
Speaker 1 (30:45):
you transition though , like how did you just like?
That's a big decision, dude,that's crazy.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
Yeah, I don't know, one day I just said this is like
not what I want to do and like,honestly, I went back and forth
.
My brother has a constructioncompany and I went back and
forth To like back to this, backto this, yeah, and like I mean,
my brother is awesome, it'sjust it was construction again,
you know.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
I hear you.
There's no passion there.
You're passionate about weed.
Is that you think?
Speaker 3 (31:11):
Yeah, 100%.
And like I mean big shout outto my parents because they
definitely helped me out a lotthe in the beginning, and like I
never would have thoughtbecause back in high school
being in trouble for smokingweed, and like here they are,
like they support you, yeah,yeah.
So big shout out to them.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
That's awesome man.
And like we're lucky, our momsupports us too.
And like yeah, Um, I can'timagine that be weird to like
not be able to be honest withyour parents.
Yeah, I do or be like proudabout it.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
So, dude, some people's parents disown them.
It's crazy.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
You know, to this day my dad actually comes and helps
out and cleans up, cleans upthe rooms.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
Oh no shit.
Yeah, on the weekends Cool manpops comes and hangs out with
you.
Yeah, like helps chip in.
Speaker 3 (31:53):
Yeah, yeah, family friend Kathy comes to help him
as well.
So like, yeah, like.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
And like I gotta.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
I gotta give all the shout outs to that, because like
it's not just me there.
There's people who help no no,no, no, no, no, no, I started us
and like, yeah, I just I'msurprised to at least not that I
know of you know but, um, bigshout out to Jess.
She's, she works at trees,she's, she's been there since
like in the very beginning andit was really really rough.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
How many staff you have.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
Um, Jess is mainly the only one there.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
It's you and Jess.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
Yeah, well, no, not the second spot.
The second spot has actuallytaken me away a lot more, but
like I mean I'm there in backlike there's always fires to be
put out, but anyways, jess, 100%.
And then Jacob, he's at the newspot.
I met him recently.
He's awesome.
We got Chirica there, we got uhCatherine and we got Anton
(32:49):
another great guy.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
No man that's friend of mine.
That helps out a lot so nothinggreat happens on the accord of
one person.
Man, I think that's awesome.
You got to shout out yourpeople yeah there's gonna be
shuttles, as I remember, people.
Quickly shout out our team here, richard and Carly, for the
great job they do.
Yeah, yeah, I'll tell you guystoo, for sure, and our great
(33:12):
Cosmic Charlie's, like I feel soblessed.
You can't make uh great thingshappen without good people.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
Megan Lauren Louise Jack Shaquille Daniel.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
It's probably hard from like, let's say, for
instance, your dad, to like lookat the weed and be like, wow,
my son's doing a great job.
But he must be proud of you,man, because, like I don't know,
I think that's fire weed.
I really I haven't blazed inabout a week now and I really
want that's the permanent market.
I rolled up a sailboat, nice.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
The sailboat where you put the two papers together
and then you'll like to thetriangle off.
I don't know if you guys sawthat.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
Wasn't it just an L-P .
Speaker 1 (33:50):
Yeah, an L-P, I guess , but I instead of the L-P.
Speaker 3 (33:52):
But then you like yeah, you gotta trim down, and
then trim it like a sailboat.
The backwards joint.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
I don't know how to fuck with those you want to show
me how to fuck with those.
Yeah, 100%, let's do that onthe next segment.
All right, let's go try this.
Uh, I don't even remember whatI rolled up permanent market.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
Thank you, Thanks, ben, we're gonna be back.
We're gonna be back with.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
Ben Howdy buddy, where are you on Instagram, ben
Pondavi?
Speaker 3 (34:18):
Uh, yeah, but you follow trees, botanical, see.
Each can of this is a new spot.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
See, that's you yeah, cannabis, that trees cannabis.
Yeah, we're right back up, manAwesome.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
Welcome back, shawnee and Benny.
We back you.
Look lit buddy.
How was that?
Speaker 1 (34:46):
I wanted to smoke it so bad.
So I'm exhausted, I like, uh,my son had me up at four in the
morning today.
I know you know about this banRight, you have three kids or
whatever.
Speaker 3 (34:55):
You have a big shout out to my wife, my wife.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
All me too, shout out to my wife as well.
I, I was just up, I guess Ilaid in bed or whatever because
I tried to help out, but the kidwas freaking out and wanted his
mom.
I'll go sometimes, but, um,that's why I'm especially high.
I think, yeah, that makes sense, you're riding the other way,
I'm riding it, but I'm juiced onDiet Coke and permanent marker.
(35:19):
Now, nice, I gotta say that wasdelicious dude, really nice man
, remember, yeah, yeah is thatsomething we might see uh in in
in the uh rotation somewhere?
Speaker 3 (35:29):
I mean never, say never.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
Yeah, I mean it like again it what a one strain of
the year, I think somewhere.
Yeah, a different cut though.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
Like a different cut.
They're all different cuts, ofcourse.
Well, I mean, some of them are,I'm sure, maybe the real cut.
Yeah, yes, yeah, no fairThelmumbo, jumbo, all the, the
numbers, the string names.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
I'm glad we met you, though, man.
You grew a really nice weed.
I feel like if I was gonna workwith somebody, I'd maybe think
about working with you.
No, that's nice to hear yeahman, I mean that, like you know,
if I put like a cosmic charlie,you know brand together, I
would, uh, I would consider it.
Speaker 3 (36:03):
Totally man.
Yeah, yeah, what would it be?
Cosmic buds?
No, you gotta sound something alittle nicer than that, because
how much do you buy from you is?
Speaker 1 (36:11):
it four pounds or something.
It's like four pounds I'd haveto buy from you minimum or
something to make it worth yourtime.
How many pre rules could I makeit a four pound?
Speaker 3 (36:19):
for you any amount you want.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
Oh well, you have to have the proper license.
I love you.
I love you, buddy, I willfigure out.
Cosmic crisp, cosmic crisp,your Joker, oh, the, what the?
The apple fritter maybe.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
Fubby, and if you don't know about those apples,
go by a fucking apple cosmiccrisp.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
Definitely mad far and a scene on that.
I look for it.
I'm we're gonna try.
Can we try that next?
I think I have.
I put it in my pouch.
Which one was that I'm gonnaroll that up?
That bulls ittles thing Is thatyou said it was your favorite.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
I'm gonna go on my favorite one, just keeping it
close in the patch.
Speaker 3 (36:50):
You got to break the bud, though.
Break the bud.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
I will.
Speaker 3 (36:53):
It's fresh.
Speaker 2 (36:54):
Oh yeah, I would say, like each of those, like after
inspecting, and again, like I,I'm gonna try, we'll try them at
some point.
They all had like lots of allthe boxes ticked and in their
own right you know what I meanlike the turfs are there.
I'm watching guys blaze likethat ash was there.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
It's sticky dude smells great.
I know you're saying it's fresh.
There's like definitely got abeautiful stickiness to it,
which I love, and I feel likezittles always has this
structure with that really likelong dense, like Coney kind of
thing.
Speaker 3 (37:29):
Yum you know, break that up by hand.
No, no, no, no, no, but I liketo like take it off the stock
you know no, no right whichwhich of these is your favorite?
I really like the permanentmarker.
Yeah, but the apple fritterzittles is very nice.
That was my yeah that's.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
I mean, both of those are yeah, but I mean I'm gonna
squirrel some away.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
How many lights you have in your canopy, man, you
know?
I guess it's hard to like themath.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
I can do the math.
I mean inside one, insideKitchener.
If you're talking HBS lights,well, some of the rooms are HBS,
some of the rooms are HBS LEDs,some of them are straight LEDs,
it's kind of oh, you have a mix, you have a party max.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, just Just toget by for now, but the
(38:19):
intention is to go all of LEDlike I really like LED.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
Thanks, yeah, yeah, no, I can't wait to try that,
and you're growing in Rockwellor soil um, why I either Coco or
Rockwell.
Speaker 3 (38:35):
I flip flop on back and forth.
Interesting Coco, I don't know.
Clean clean up wise is better,definitely better than Rockwell.
The thing is with Rockwell Imean, if you lose it, you've
lost it.
For the right.
Them like the moisture contentright.
I mean Coco's a little bit moreforgiving and I actually just
(38:57):
like Coco.
But I've actually done acomparison test right, and
Rockwell tested higher.
Okay, yeah, and I got exactlythe same amount, but even the
feeds were exactly the same likestronger turf percentages and
more TG kind of thing.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
Yeah, wow.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
So how cool is that?
Speaker 3 (39:17):
the deli's little things, I mean, maybe it was
just specifically those budsthat were tested, but
consistently, because I did morethan one test.
It was higher by like 2%, but Istill like Coco better.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
That's wicked cool man.
Sorry, I'm always just blownaway.
You can go so deep into it andI just I don't even pretend I
know anything about growing,because I don't so sometimes I
feel like that I'll be honest.
Speaker 3 (39:41):
I tell everyone, like , if I don't know what's going
on, I just look it up on YouTubeand I'm not even like being
funny, like that's really what Ido.
That's fucking awesome like onGoogle.
Speaker 1 (39:49):
That's the best way to be man, be curious, realize
you you know, get what are yourtop three strains of all time,
like your personal favoritesmoke.
What are you?
What Terps are you're like?
What is your jam Like?
What are your flavors?
Speaker 3 (40:03):
I'm not good with the Terps Do you know where is your
good, the only time I look atthe Terps is like when I get
like my test back from, likehigh north, yeah, shadow time
north to they, I just look at,oh, that's the percent that.
Or like oh, I got thatpercentage in Terps.
Like cuz, that's one of thehigher ones, like very enough
top five?
Speaker 1 (40:22):
Yeah, okay, what about?
I'll rephrase the question whatare your favorite strains?
To grow and smoke as a grower,and to smoke is a smoker.
That's a good question, right?
Hmm, I love three.
Give me three.
You think about the lock, thejack Clock to jack?
I've never tried that before.
Speaker 3 (40:39):
Yeah, that was.
That's an old one from TGA.
Speaker 2 (40:42):
Damn.
Maybe it's hard for a grower.
Maybe it's like asking youwhich kid you love the most,
like it's probably pretty hard.
I Don't know.
Speaker 3 (40:52):
I like the cut of gushers I had.
Oh Okay, I had no longer have.
Speaker 1 (40:57):
I had some good gushers Boss.
Today I could see that I goteight.
Speaker 3 (41:01):
I actually brought in HLVD at the very beginning.
Okay, okay, what's our likeit's?
It's a vibe.
Yeah, it's a viroyd.
Speaker 2 (41:11):
Yeah, I think I heard about this oh my hop.
Speaker 1 (41:14):
Yeah, you had that shit in your grove row.
Speaker 3 (41:17):
Yeah, so like when you first start with a micro.
That's fuck.
Health Canada only gives youone chance to Bring in all your
genetics, right.
Yeah you just kind of like getall your genetics and you
genetics and you declare itright.
So I had last minute I just Dida big like just took a bunch as
much as I could have cuts andand I brought one in.
(41:38):
Wow, and I didn't realizeanything until it was like too
late and I just Choppedeverything down.
Wow, it called me to go to anursery and that's for how I got
the banjo, and this is why,like I couldn't sell it, crazy.
Speaker 2 (41:57):
Oh man yeah, that's pretty wild dude.
Speaker 1 (42:00):
That must have been fucking terrifying, I guess yeah
, yeah, what's been the hardestthing, man, do you think about?
Like getting your micros onlineand getting to?
Like the stage you are rightnow You've been able to
wholesale the way you have.
Speaker 3 (42:14):
To be honest, I'm extremely blessed.
That's all I can like.
The journey was difficult inthe very beginning, like Fair
enough.
Speaker 1 (42:22):
Like, did it get easier after the first, like the
second, to the third facility.
Speaker 3 (42:27):
Well, the second one knew, so like we'll see how it
goes.
Oh, fair enough.
But like the first one, I'd saywe're pretty good, like, I mean
, like everything's Running aslike we're making money that you
like want to see it at yeah,and like in this industry,
doesn't seem like a lot ofpeople are making the same man,
(42:48):
so congratulations for you fordoing that.
Yeah, like I think we'redefinitely Making good money,
but I mean, it's it's not alwaysrainbows and sunshine,
especially for like a lot ofpeople like I feel, like I don't
like to use the word luck.
Speaker 1 (43:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (43:04):
But just getting in with some of the brands that
right.
You feel, yeah, yeah, yeah,very fortunate, because, yeah,
it's rough out there.
I know firsthand like alwaysman.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
I can't remember the same exactly, I'm not even stone
, but they.
They say that right, hard workand the collision of luck is
Something.
But it always takes a littlelittle something in like,
honestly, even I think we foundthis location by sheer luck
really I think you're so modestthe bed, I feel you.
Speaker 1 (43:33):
It sounds like you did a lot of hard work, man.
Speaker 3 (43:36):
Yeah, well.
Speaker 1 (43:40):
You guys all know like yeah, you bust your hump to
make it was like a reality andnot be like you know.
Another cannabis companyfinally for bankruptcy.
Yeah, yeah, well, you hearabout it in close.
Speaker 3 (43:52):
Well, we're here opinion.
Speaker 1 (43:53):
I said I was gonna ask you about this leveraging
the taxes, the excise taxes onthese companies, like through
the OCS, like through theprovincial board.
Do you think they should bedoing that?
Speaker 3 (44:04):
I don't think any money should ever be taken from
yeah it's not fair.
Speaker 1 (44:08):
You're not down.
Speaker 3 (44:10):
Yeah, well, I mean, if you haven't?
I'm always like, if you have anagreement with something, you
have to Abide by the agreement.
If they know what they're doing, it's not like they were caught
by surprise.
Speaker 2 (44:21):
You know like.
Speaker 3 (44:21):
I'm not gonna talk about the really the processing
game or judge anyone in theprocessing game because, like,
that's clearly why I'm still atB2B.
Speaker 2 (44:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (44:30):
Yeah, but I Doesn't matter what part in this
industry, it's rough out there.
So, yeah, I feel like thegovernment.
There's a lot of things likeeven just like Stuff you have to
do for the government thatsometimes seems a little bit
excessive.
Like for the CRA, they havetheir own division, and then
health Canada you have to yourown division, and I feel like
(44:52):
why don't they just mergetogether?
Oh right, they both.
Speaker 1 (44:55):
They both visit just.
Speaker 2 (44:58):
Not of them.
Talk, dude every every leveland like.
Speaker 3 (45:00):
I'm not saying anything bad about health Canada
, but I just feel like therecould be simpler processes.
Speaker 2 (45:06):
They're missing pieces together by not working
together.
Yeah, and a lot of these, a lotof these small smaller
companies.
Speaker 3 (45:11):
Yeah, no one's making money right now, Like the
margins are so tight, Like forthe grower at least you know
dude across the board it's.
Speaker 2 (45:21):
I Don't know again.
I think they're making money,so that's why?
Speaker 1 (45:26):
how much do you make average per gram, like off the
top of your head, I guess youknow like, like per yeah how
much do you make up awholesaling average program?
I guess I'm sure some firesmore than others, depending on
the deal, whatever xyz.
Speaker 3 (45:40):
But yeah, well, I like to ball.
$3 a gram is always my goal asa farmer.
Yeah, okay, and like if rightnow, if you're getting $3,
you're doing very well okay,okay, interesting but like it
all depends like some peoplewill pay 325 over.
Yeah, like, yeah.
Speaker 1 (46:01):
I'm sure certain vendors get preferred yeah
whatever.
But I was like average around,like that's what you want to be
getting, yeah and then.
But like some people, like.
Speaker 3 (46:09):
I mean I sell my product also for Like lower
before right, but I kind of drawthe line at like.
Get that three bucks yeah well,no, it's like I've gone below
that, like I'm Like.
Speaker 1 (46:24):
Like, hey, man, if you gotta make the deal happen,
you don't make the deal happen.
So I hear you.
Well, yeah, but is it about itgetting old, right, like I think
that's a fallacy.
And I tell Charlie all the timethat cannabis doesn't have a
best before date, like I thinkyou and I both know that like,
and that it does, that it doesyeah, you agree, right, yeah, of
course, right.
Speaker 3 (46:44):
Yeah, it's okay to cure a little bit.
Speaker 1 (46:46):
No, it's okay to cure it as long as you're burping it
and all that stuff, but I thinka lot of these guys aren't
doing that in their vaults.
In my room and I feel likethat's where I see a lot of I've
been seeing a lot of browngross weed I'm not gonna lie,
man and yeah, it's all yellowand oxidized and smells weird.
Speaker 2 (47:00):
It's gross.
Speaker 1 (47:02):
You know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 3 (47:03):
Yeah, it has that like that flavor to it when you
open, like it all smells thesame to the sour pickle.
Speaker 1 (47:11):
Sour man.
I think it's almost like badproduce, almost, I'm serious but
maybe it might be the packaging.
That's a culprit of it as well.
Speaker 3 (47:21):
I'll always say the same.
Speaker 1 (47:23):
It's warehousing to find that it's not as bad in the
winter as it is in the summer.
In the summer if it's reallyhot, I think that it stresses
out a lot of the product that'sheld in a lot of these middlemen
warehousing Situations that wedeal with because there's no
cold storage.
Speaker 3 (47:39):
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1 (47:40):
You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 3 (47:42):
I'm getting a hundred percent, a hundred percent.
Speaker 1 (47:44):
I think it should be kept in an air-conditioned
warehouse.
But I've been fighting them forthem for a long time.
I don't get a response, but Ithink it's a valid argument.
I'm sure it'd be reallyexpensive.
I was gonna say Fucking.
Speaker 3 (47:57):
Some of the LPs don't even realize, like after it's
left them.
How do they know the way it'sbeen treated?
Speaker 1 (48:03):
We don't need it to be a refrigerator, but I just
don't want it to be fucking like98 degrees in there, like
cooking away.
Speaker 3 (48:08):
No, I agree and like to your point like these, the
LPs don't even know what happens.
And then they got a complaintthat like something's up with
their weed yeah, I was beingcooked and they have no idea.
Speaker 1 (48:19):
Cooking buddy in an oven.
I feel like I think about likeamazing weed that's not good
after it gets left, and likeHomies Trump yeah, there was
some.
There's been jar inside like asuitcase, you know for too, long
and I didn't breathe and Ididn't see sunlight for a long
time.
Speaker 2 (48:36):
I don't think you want to store your weed in
sunlight, though, but no, but Ididn't know what you mean.
Speaker 1 (48:42):
It's been.
You know what I'm saying.
I know what you're saying.
Speaker 2 (48:46):
What do you want to see kind of in the market?
As you see it, like you'rebringing you know Some pretty
fire strains as far as I'mconcerned, what do you think we
could afford to see?
And I guess the Ontario marketlike Whatever has to be done.
Speaker 3 (49:04):
Like I know, there's a lot of other things but the
yeah.
Speaker 1 (49:10):
Well, make life easier for you, yeah, I know,
but I honestly the THC mumbojumbo.
Yeah, this is you off.
Speaker 3 (49:17):
Well, it's the market .
I'm not gonna complain aboutthe market I'm in.
I know that's right.
Speaker 1 (49:20):
I was like I changed, but I mean I well, you were
telling me you had this horseshawta.
There was a horse shawta herethat I tried.
That was beautiful.
It tastes amazing.
Speaker 3 (49:28):
Yeah that that can't test over 20.
Speaker 1 (49:31):
So what are you gonna do with it?
Around, but it's a phenolhine,basically.
Speaker 3 (49:38):
Yeah, of course.
Yeah, I keep it around, and butlike, am I actually gonna buy?
That and just take some spaceand said Because I got to hold
all that stuff in my mother room, I'm gonna my doing holding and
I'm never gonna do it, I'mright.
So eventually just gets chopped.
Speaker 1 (49:50):
There you go.
Speaker 3 (49:51):
Yeah, and you just constantly grow it just to see
how it produces.
You know that's fun though.
Yeah, that's the fun part 100%I like the phenolhines.
The phenolhines are cool.
Speaker 1 (50:02):
So you do that.
Your responsible for that toannounce, obviously that's your
responsibility.
Speaker 3 (50:06):
Yeah, so like I have a huge genetic bank that I
brought in before, so like youmentioned.
Yeah, so like I have likecrosses I did before, Okay and
are you breeding a bit too?
Yeah, I have.
I have actually done somebreeding and I actually brought
a cool strain with the applefritter crosses it all.
Speaker 1 (50:25):
Oh, that's your your cut.
Speaker 3 (50:27):
I Actually got this cut, this cut.
Speaker 2 (50:31):
Summer from silly.
Yeah, he said he's working onsomething with the fritter, with
the bird.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, super cool,yeah I, yeah, I'm gonna scrap
some of those nuggets for sure,okay we can't wait to smoke this
.
Speaker 1 (50:47):
You have to hear the feedback episode because I guess
we're like, almost done.
That's pretty funny.
It'll be a to be continued.
Speaker 2 (50:56):
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What's that?
What's the handle?
Speaker 3 (51:00):
at trees botanical at trees botanical.
Speaker 2 (51:03):
Grab yourself some, some of their bags.
They're working with primocaramel Ben smart.
Speaker 1 (51:09):
It's a great weed man .
Ben found a v master grower,trees botanical man.
It's been so nice getting toknow you, dude.
Thanks for coming by on the podtonight.
Speaker 3 (51:16):
Thank you, thanks for having me guys.
Yeah, man.
Speaker 1 (51:18):
Well, until next time , I look forward to your next
project that comes up.
Speaker 3 (51:23):
Thank you, sir.
I want to see you back withyour name, oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (51:27):
Don't forget to look out for the new Tangering dream
live resin she's, she's.
Speaker 2 (51:42):
What's that guy gotta do to get a shisha on here?
Speaker 1 (51:46):
Maddie, we need the she's bra.
We need a she's Bandabi, a band.
What do you think?
What do you think of the she's?
You ever drink that stuff?
I have actually Delicious,delicious trees with an approved
Signing off higher orbit.
Until next time I'm free totanicles.
Thanks, guys, thanks, love you,benny.
Speaker 3 (52:14):
Thanks.
Minus 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 8 and 10, start 4, 3, 2, 1.
Hola, Carlitos.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
What's up, buddy?
Speaker 1 (00:20):
I'm John and I'm Charlie, and this is Iron man.
I don't know.
I went off the radar.
I told you I was going to besomething different.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
I love it buddy Hola how are you?
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Muy bien, buenas noches.
It's all our international fans.
Welcome to the back of the shop.
We're here in another episodeof Chirobit.
I'm not even that stoned.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
He's stoned for a loop, but we're firing it up.
Just me and Sean to start, butwe do have an awesome guest to
bring on in a little bit.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Yeah, another master grower, I'll just leave it there
.
We'll leave it there.
We'll leave you guessing for asecond, but another master
grower will please have this.
Keep the suspense going.
Keep the suspense going.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Yeah, we get the rare occasion of just shooting the
shit, you and me.
It doesn't happen too often,does it?
Speaker 1 (01:02):
No, no, I think we're going to try and do that a
little bit more, coming up tooin the next little bit, right?
Or at least my understanding isthat's the goal anyway.
So look forward to me andCharlie just grinding it out and
talking a little bit more aboutwhat we do, and what's going on
?
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Yeah, honestly, I think we should do one where we
just like each crush a case ofsheesh and see what happens.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
I know what'll happen One of us will be in the toilet
.
I don't want to be mean now,maybe not with the sheesh, but I
know that it's a lot of sugarfor it.
I will say maybe not the sugarin general.
Yeah, but I think there'ssomething of the process with
that.
I went to an event once and Ihad to be too many of those and
I just it didn't work out.
We'll leave it there.
I was not feeling great and Ithink it's just because they're
(01:42):
not meant to be consumed at thatvelocity.
If that meant you wouldn't havetwo or three, not like seven or
eight or nine.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
No, I feel terrible.
I can only imagine I usuallycut it off around three, if I
can make it that far.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
What did you want to kick it off with?
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Well, I mean, there's like lots of stuff to talk
about.
I mean, considering our kind ofupdates, we're at a funny spot.
You and me kind of been runningaround again playing that game
that we played almost threeyears ago more than that.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Oh, like trying to find a space right now, I'm just
running into the same bullshitwith the people that it's a joke
.
It's an absolute joke.
The old Italian guys and theGreek guys, you don't understand
our business and don't wantanything to do with it.
It's everybody.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Nobody wants us to succeed.
It's a bizarre occurrence, likejust to be, you know,
participating and seeing itunfold in real time, and I think
there's a great segue in allthe other things because there's
so many you know it's brutaltoo not even a callback.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
I feel like a lot of people have been sending a lot
of emails and just no responseand I'm like that's hilarious.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
I don't need to call it a back, not even professional
right, like, exactly Like.
How disrespectful is that?
It's just unbelievable.
It's been many, many years thatit's been legal Four years
since we started doing this.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
I didn't think it was going to be a little bit
different and I thought that,like once I had already had a
location in a business that'sestablished, that's thriving and
stuff that they would be likemore open to.
You know, hearing us out, Iguess, but so far not so much.
Any of our listeners know anycommercial landlords that want
to rent to fine entrepreneurslike ourselves?
(03:17):
You let us know.
Okay, buddy, we'll do it thehard way.
We'll do it the hard way.
You named it, yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Yeah, I guess that the other big news that dropped
today was the fact that the CRAis starting to garnish payment
from LPs.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Oh, we're talking tax , the big aubergine that they're
breaking out on the licensedproducers.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
It's pretty huge news , I mean for anyone who doesn't
really know what's going on.
I mean, certainly tax could usea revisit in terms of how it's
a part of the business, in termsof how it's applied to the
cannabis industry.
But it's like we said, like youcan't avoid it.
That's the parameter thatexists Pay your taxes death and
taxes.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
So am I right Like?
So the idea is it would be likethe Provincial Board, say the
Alberta Board, the BC Board, theOntario Cannabis Store in our
province.
They're going to garnish fromtheir payment back to these LPs.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Essentially, so the.
Cra is like oh, ocs LP XYZ,they owe like $5 million in tax.
Yep, what do they have in yourinventory?
What do?
Speaker 1 (04:25):
you owe them An excise and all the stamped
product that they have.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
No it's just literally their payment that
they're supposed to receive.
Got it, Got to get it.
Okay, it's like you said.
It's the ultimate auberginebuddy For people who don't know.
I used to work in the bank andI used to be able to see that,
and it's punishment.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
It's just all of a sudden your money is jacked,
it's gone.
It was an account right orwhatever.
You got it, we're taking thatfrom you.
Yeah, Punished buddy.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
So we're in a cash flow business, I think that the
number was too.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
I think there's about 75% of licensed producers.
I'm pretty sure that I readthat number All right Behind on
excise tax, which doesn't reallysurprise me that much.
I do know I heard I was talkingto a lawyer because I'm part of
that normal group, the nationalorganization for marijuana
reform law, nice.
He said that, yeah, they'regoing to have to lobby to
(05:19):
basically not do that, but thatthere's nothing.
He was like is there anythingthat the license producers can
do to kind of delay this?
And he was like not reallyBasically, you're right, the
ultimate.
Yeah, that's it.
They were put on notice, theseguys.
They probably swung it out.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
I mean it's tough.
Again, like I said, I probablydon't know enough about it.
I'm not sure about it.
It's just a little bit of asurprise, I'm not sure about it.
It's a little bit of a surprise, I'm not sure about it, I'm not
sure, I'm just not sure, I'mnot sure.
I mean, you know, I'm not sureabout it.
I don't know if I know that yet.
I don't think I know that yet.
I'm just wondering about theLike the nuance of how the tax
is and it should get relooked at.
(05:55):
But the government's justanother big business.
So like they need, they needtheir peace, right.
Like we're still catching up ona lot of things, a lot of big
issues, and you know we talkabout it too.
Like cannabis kind of getskicked way down the line board.
Another interesting thing too,just off the top of my head here
there was some new datareleased, stats can, related to
(06:16):
cannabis and the size of themarket, and they're estimating
that the rec and med market tobe about five billion.
Okay, with the illicit to beconservatively around 30 to 50
percent, which is such a hugerange.
And I mean, like I studiedstats, at the end of the day,
(06:37):
you can make up whatever fuckingnumbers you want to make up.
It's very easy to Manipulatethose and, at the end of the day
too, with something like theblack market, it's pretty
impossible to put your finger onit.
It's like once you try tomeasure it, it's changed and the
reality is probably have nofucking idea how big it really
is.
And again, they have no reasonto really address it either.
(07:00):
Right, they created an industrythat's like by all means
humming along for them, everyonein the government's fucking
printing, but on the privatesector that's kind of you know,
eats the shit sandwiches.
It's, it's tough.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
It is really tough.
Um, I was actually thinking Idon't know.
Relating Germany likedecriminalized simple possession
yeah, that's huge.
No, that's massive no andapparently I got clarification
on it, but ability to formcannabis clubs apparently is
gonna be in a of importance, hmm, which I thought was an
interesting approach.
What does that mean?
Speaker 2 (07:35):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
I'll have to wait for more, but I was
decriminalization, simplepossession, home cultivation
with the ability to formcannabis clubs.
Hmm, yeah, that's what I heardan increased medical access, so
that's more.
It's not like full legalization.
I'm a wreck yet, but that doessound pretty dope and I wonder
what that means.
I've never actually, I've onlybeen to Germany once, but I
(07:57):
wonder.
I'd love to talk to someGermans about that.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
I don't really know much about it either, but I know
that they're taking a similarstance and really trying to keep
it out of the hands of youngpeople.
You know, as they should I also.
I think most of the weed comesfrom Canada.
I was gonna say they must begrowing some pretty fire wheat
over there too.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
I'd have to think I was also thinking how funny it
is that we have such anoversupply and we're exporting
all the weeds still.
And what happens when all thesecompanies legalize?
Speaker 2 (08:25):
the dust forget it.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
We're not paying you your taxes for your old car, for
your old garbage that you'reshipping over here from Canada.
Sorry, I hate to be mean, butyou know stuff in the vault that
they probably can't move also.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
It's true.
It the same thing happens here,man.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Sometimes you get a box and you're like man well,
you just know I'm excited outand curious to know what our
guest is gonna think about it.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
I was asking about that.
Yeah that's definitely.
We can kind of get into thatfor sure.
There was also, I Mean, I thinkit was kind of in the works for
a while.
It was a little bit fuzzy andand cloudy in terms of what it
means and what it's even meantto do, but the new kind of
secret Strategy table was formed.
(09:09):
We kind of know you know who'sin there now, but it's it's the
innovation, science and economicdevelopment forum.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Oh, okay, so this was the good.
This is the board that was puttogether by the government of
Canada, that's you got it, soyou know.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
I mean, it's interesting.
I don't know the government.
Again, I think it's agovernment, but basically my
understanding is they're tryingto get leaders in the industry
to come to the table and be likeyou guys Need to figure out all
your shit, because they'reheads up their ass and they
don't know what the fuck they'redoing.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
I think our board he goes heading it, if I'm not
mistaken, mr Mr Alves yeah, yeah, there's a lot of, a lot of big
like top-end players.
Organogram CEO, I think RaiSchrofner over at was there any
independence at all on thisboard?
No.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
I went there, buddy.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
I guess you're right.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Yeah, I thought they wouldn't have one squeezes on
small business man.
I did see like on LinkedIn.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
There was like a big peanut gallery regarding it,
though, so that was funny.
I guess people thought it waslike a very obvious non attempts
to make it.
We'll see inclusive.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
But we'll see, man.
I mean, you never know.
There's definitely some varyinginterests there.
It's a broad selection.
I think a lot of them are likethe CEOs or higher-ups at LPs,
which of course is kind ofinteresting.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
So my my understanding, though, the basic
premise of the council is toCommunicate what they need to
succeed, kind of thing, andhopefully move, move it forward,
move the needle forward intheory.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Again, it's something set up without a clear agenda,
like there's not really a set.
What's the word I'm looking for?
Mandate, as far as I know.
But you know, looking on thepositive side of things, you
know I've been trying to be lesscynical these days.
It's certainly a step in theright direction, right?
I mean, I don't know a lot ofthe individuals.
(11:04):
What do you got there?
Speaker 1 (11:05):
I've been really into the chem doser.
I'm gonna shout at that outbefore I don't think so.
East can.
Don't sleep on east can.
I'm really good cure to it andthat's a funky Terps for sure.
Yeah, I really like that, a kemigassiness to it and I thought
they did it.
We're talking about this, so Idon't know.
Also find it's like a cerebralhigh and I don't crash too hard.
(11:28):
Keeps it going for the cat, thechem doser and just kind of
chem dog straightens in general.
I just love San Fernando Valley.
Oh gee, have a lot of chem dogand chem dog and chem dog.
Oh gee, and that's where gas.
There's a lot of gas salarykind of gas chemie.
I'm not.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
I'm not a lineage expert, but I feel like that's
uh, it's a gangster strain, butyeah, just to circle back to
that like it's gotta be no, no,you're good.
It is definitely a step in theright direction.
You know who knows what Agendasare at play, right, like
certainly you know.
You see the head of Canadacommand and you're like, well,
(12:07):
fuck, guys got, I think, thebiggest network of stores which,
by the way, across the nationwe're now up to 3684 stores,
legal Stores, across Canada cool.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
I mean just quite close to like 4,000 if you
include the illegal ones.
It's crazy.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Who knows hard to count right.
That's fucking pop-up every day.
Oh Sun says that now a lot, alot of shitty retailers out
there, though Sorry, I just gotto say it Lot of a lot of shitty
retailers.
Yeah, there are.
There are shitty menus outthere.
There are some shitty menus,yeah, no, I mean again for those
(12:48):
who don't know, that's why thisstore exists, cosmic Charlie's,
like.
I've just never really comeinto a store where I felt like
it suited my needs and what Iwanted in an experience, and I
mean, certainly there are goodOperators, there's good retail
stores.
There aren't some good menus to, though, of course, I've been
impressed a lot of people havefigured it out.
It's not like we have the, thespecial sauce, not like a secret
(13:10):
recipe, but there's certainlevel of opinion that goes into
it.
And yeah, you know, like I,just it's crazy how many I Guess
kind of corporate dust stores Iwould call them corporate
dusties, yeah who do thepay-to-play and it's it
continues to kind of fuck up themarket with perpetual dust Kind
(13:31):
of cycling through the systemlike spinach and tweed.
I Wasn't gonna name names, yeahyou're good, I hate spinach
organogram.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Yeah well, we sell a lot of organogram there.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
We do, it sells, yeah , yeah, you can't be denied.
You know, again I want it'shard because I'm trying to tow a
fine line, because I've alwaysbeen adamant about you know,
smoke what you want, smoke whatyou can afford.
It is what it is.
But when you have players kindof operating and I guess a
(14:04):
system that really comes fromalcohol, as far as I know when
it's literally here's money,bring in my product and then you
have the kickback, basicallyWay of doing things, you got it.
So you know, it's again, it'sjust continuing the cycle, it's
continuing the flow of their oldI will say I remember before it
(14:25):
was like.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
I don't remember, though, charlie.
That has been a shift inmentality, that like we wouldn't
even get offered those deals,and now at least we get offered
them.
Yeah, no, we knew it washappening, but it was like it
was all like oh no, it's nothappening though.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
Yeah, closed doors, it was, that's right, and now it
happens for big stores peoplejust coming in.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
They offer us those same deals too, so but it's so
different for us at scale.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
Fraction to what?
Speaker 1 (14:48):
they get.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
Yeah, like I won't name the retailer, but I
remember a retailer telling meevery time a submit story gets
like 10 to 15 grant right offthe top and that's like you know
that's probably close to maybewhat we spend average.
It really depends.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Sometimes we do fat orders and they're 30, but also
find it funny, and it's likewe're not allowed to induce
customers into buying weed, butthat's basically an inducement
to buy their weed.
So like that's kind of funny.
This kind of an irony thereisn't it.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
It's a joke right, it's a fucking joke.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
I don't know I kind of thought as it is, so I
thought that was pretty prettyfunny.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
but again, you know, like even going up to how the
data works, and it seems like alot of key decision-makers use
data, just you know, as the, theholy source, and so, yeah, when
you know your tweets and yourHuge LPs are moving weight
because of these systems, it'sperpetually keeping it in the
(15:43):
system.
It's blocking other people fromgetting in there, although the
OCS has said that they and they,to be fair do a pretty good job
at trying to be fair andbringing people in.
What is this?
The Camdozer?
Speaker 1 (15:58):
So camey and sour yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
I'm good, right, let's see what the showrunner
thinks.
He thought I'd smell like aturkey dinner.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
No, no, no, that's the say, the sage and the Sour,
and a sherbet sour, sherbet sour.
That was from Eddie hippie,it's from Dylan.
Oh Okay, got you, got you.
It tastes pretty good though,but it does.
There's something cheesy aboutit.
I think that's what theoff-putting thing is in there,
(16:27):
yeah, but it almost reminds meof like an all-dress chip, like
an all-terped weed.
That's what it should be called.
All terps, in my opinion, butwe'll roll that later.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Man, you gotta love the plant.
It's the natural form of thesefunky ass flavors.
Yeah, so delicious, sodelicious, yeah, sorry, no, yeah
, you threw me off track alittle bit.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
All right, sorry, ocs you're pissed off.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Oh, I'm not that pissed off.
Oh yeah, the OCS getting better.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
You know they're we, they get induced.
These other stores get induced.
We don't get it.
We're not allowed to inducepeople.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
Well, you know, it's so strange, like really now to
even going to the point of, youknow, selling and getting
kickbacks is getting moreaggressive because people can't
move their shit.
And so now and we see it on asmaller scale you bring in too
much shit.
They have the hugest warehouse,the biggest warehouse of
cannabis on the planet.
They have old, ancient boxes ofdust and then you cycle it in
(17:32):
and they get pepper you one andthey're like oh hey, months,
that's a shame.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
Yeah, you know, what I didn't realize too and that's
a funny one is that I didn'trealize that, um, is it nine
months in Ontario?
Everywhere else is less, no way, not cool.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Well, that's because.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
They over saturate themselves we talk about this
all posted and their rules aredifferent.
Different from it's nine monthsfrom package and I think for
some of these guys I think it'ssix months from when they
receive it or say they probablyhave half the skews but they
don't hold, they don't allow toreceive things that are more
than three months old.
You feel me?
Where is the OCS will takestuff.
They have half the skews,though, and we're nice that
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they're gonna sell it before thenine months comes up.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
OCS, I think, is approaching four thousand and
you know, even it's just thenature of saturating yourself.
You're gonna sit on stuff andit's just it's like a little
poison, because whatever happensis either we get stuck bag
holding and you know, we got adoggy.
Now we're selling it at a costor at a loss because I don't
want to rip someone off or theypunish the LP and they're like,
(18:38):
oh, the nine months elapsed, I'mnot gonna sell it and push it
on our Partners as you love.
You love that word that was yes, calls us to partners.
And then they punish them andthey say, buddy, I'm a boxy
later, pretty much.
And then what do they fuckingdo with it?
They probably repack it intosome weird rotational skew which
honestly I'm rotational skews.
(18:59):
I don't?
Speaker 1 (19:00):
we don't know why sometimes.
I know I really like them tobegin with, but maybe we'll
leave it there and talk when wecome back.
Yeah, I'm gonna smoke thischemo.
Is there maybe a rosin had?
Grab yourself with a special.
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Welcome back in the back of theshop still open.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
I Didn't know we're gonna start, I mean the cooking
stuff.
I'm just joking, I really don'tcare.
We got our special guest here.
If anybody was paying attentionwatching on YouTube.
Charlie, I was wearing the twobecause a little Easter egg hint
for you.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
We got our boy Then part of honey.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
Betty trees then a tree.
They call you.
That's it.
That's it.
Thanks for having me.
This is a master.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
Grow up cheese botanicals, yeah father three
yeah thanks, samuel NoahBeautiful life.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
Vanessa.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
Beautiful, oh good, lovely family.
Thanks for making it all theway down, man.
We were excited to meet you andwe're always, you know we feel
blessed to get growers on theshow.
It's.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
It's awesome like yeah, yeah, so something I'm not
good at yet, I'm trying, butI'm growing this white truffles
and some motor breath right now.
I'll send you some photos, Idon't know.
I feel like I've been trying tomess with the pH, like dialing
that in, because I feel like mywater is really hard, mm-hmm.
Just get a good pH tester.
(20:45):
I got yeah, I'm working on that.
I have one.
I have one.
I feel like I'm just learninghow to use it, if that makes
sense.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
Yeah, just YouTube videos.
That's how I learned.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Totally.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
Now you can just ask Google what to do, and yeah
they're looking pretty beastly.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
You're right, I shouldn't like.
I'm figuring it out, it's onlymy second run.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
I think you're doing pretty good and I mean, you know
, I, I don't know, maybe, maybeI'm wrong, but I'm sure most
growers feel like they're neverlike mastered it, like there's
always, it's always like fuckcould have done that, or I'll be
awesome surprise, I'm even.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
I'm even on the show.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
We're so humble dude, yeah, yeah, no, you you've been
.
I mean, a lot of people may notknow you.
We know the trees name.
It's like, from ourunderstanding, you do a lot more
B2B right.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Yeah, so you work with some big brands like black
market caramel, right yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
Yeah, I currently I grow for caramel.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
Right now, shut up to the caramel boys and you and
Billy have a history rightMistaken, you guys are friends.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
We're friends but just just met inside the
industry.
Yeah, billy drew, oh, we Dustin.
They're all cool, great guys.
It's awesome.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
Yeah, yeah.
So wait to you.
You have two micros, or no?
Speaker 3 (21:58):
so I started with trees and just recently Me and
my business partner, mike, got anew.
How big is your canopy At thenew place?
It's 5200 square feet.
So we got All right.
It's news so like I don't knowoff the top of my head.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
I'm.
Where's the new one?
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Yeah um where you growing out of.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
Well, I've my first location trees that.
That one is in Brantford andthat's just small like total
canopy.
I'm just shy of the 2150 and Iactually went up.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
You doubled up, though that's yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
I actually go to triple in some locations really.
Yeah, but I don't like it's toohard on the room.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
Like vertical.
Yeah, you should blow it uplike vertically in the stock.
It Crazy dude.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
Yeah, so, but and then I just recently in October
Actually I got the new spot,which that one's just one level
that was just one.
Yeah, and we actually just hadour second harvest there.
Congratulations, yeah, yeah, soit's going good, yeah man,
that's awesome, dude.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
How long you've been growing trees for?
Speaker 3 (23:09):
Well, I was growing in my basement, for I don't even
know the years, to be honest.
Yeah it's been more than 10years now, I think, but I mean
when I was in high schoolgrowing inside like the park so
you're on by the first train yougrew.
Himalayan gold.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
That's very cool man.
That's fucking sick, yeah.
So like I don't know if youwant to just share a little bit
about, like, what yourTechniques are.
I don't know, like everyone'skind of got their own method to
the madness, but I mean you,you're so kind and generous
enough to show all and yeah,what did you bring in for us
today?
Speaker 1 (23:49):
I'm sure some some treats there.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
Maybe I'll roll something up, yeah okay, so this
is a bunch of stuff.
This is a pinnacle marker fromthe marker.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
Nice.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
A lot of buzz on that train right now.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
Wow Again, the names for all these were super fitting
.
Like that definitely smellslike you know, little dry erase
Sharp beer or something likethat.
Whoa interesting.
I feel like I'm gonna love it.
I've always said that I lovethat aroma.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
That one's the cab junkie.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
Yes, this one was probably the best looker Wow of
the the crew.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
Yeah, which one's your favorite of these ones?
Speaker 3 (24:31):
of these ones, this is, it would be this one your
babies.
Actually I like the permanentmarker you like the permanent
marker.
Yeah, it doesn't really.
It's probably not the mostshowiest.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
Let's give it a try.
That's the beauty.
I really definitely delivers onthat, like burt rubber.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
But, I really like this one too.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
This is the apple fritter crosses it'll sitles is
one of my favorite all-timestrains bro.
Like I can't even tell you howmuch I like that strain so big
shout out to Billy because hegave me some of these cuts.
Oh did he nice man, yeah,that's funny.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
I just having like a funny memory.
Sorry that you don't hear thatas much.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
Passing around the bag.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
Well, I just remember like I used to live with my
brother and you know, obviously,kind of the black market days.
I just remember, you know, andhomie would show up and I could
just hear I was there half thetime.
Yeah, but that that sound isjust.
(25:33):
It's like a nostalgic sound tome, I guess in a funny way.
Old school it's nice to seewe've been at bags.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
Yeah, and the the cap junkie I'm actually releasing
with a Primo in the spring andbig shout out to primo because
well, yeah, so the primo family.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
That's another family business right and they grow in
a well Ontario right yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
That's dope.
So that'll be the first kind ofI mean again, you, the people
have smoked your flower out inthe market, for sure by us, some
of your partners, but I'll beawesome to kind of see the trees
brand out there, right.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, one day, yeah, oh yeah, you need a
hand.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
You got it.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
So I actually At the same time I just was starting
with Carmel permanent markers sosticky bro.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
It's crazy.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
Sorry, I didn't mean to cut you, no worries, I really
stop with the black marketthat's right, I remember.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
Oh, that's you.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
I am the consignante.
You did the banjo right.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
Banjo.
Yeah, wow, I was like actuallyhad my name on it, so I was like
whoa, this is one of mytrophies.
Actually, I got a pretty cool.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
Oh, because it says she's mechanical.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
Yeah, I guess you got like recognition.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
I think I was asking you that before we kind of um,
you know, I jumped on the podlike is it ever weird to kind of
be the public master or likeand the bridesmaid and ever the
bride kind Of thing, or is itlike doesn't bother you?
You're saying that right, it'slike whatever man Good weeds,
good weed and like.
Yeah, I guess, if somebody likeblack market or Carmel, like
these aren't like Slouch brands,right, so like, if they want to
(27:15):
work with you, then there'ssomething cool there.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
Yeah, and they're just.
They're awesome people to workwith, so yeah man.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
Thank you so much, man.
That's so cool.
I remember when we grabbedthese.
I'm such a cool concept, Ithink it's.
It's great again whenever youknow it's all family.
It tries to be at least thesmaller producers and bringing
people out and you know, gettingpeople and lifting them up.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
Yeah, yeah and, honestly, if it wasn't for
probably Carmel, I probablywouldn't.
Maybe it got into there, right?
So it's all about your trackrecord, yeah, and like who you
know in this industry, becauseyeah, networking and shit right
yeah, cuz I know a lot of peoplewho do have good weed but I
just can't get rid of Really.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
That's so interesting .
Speaker 3 (28:02):
And it's and it's a ruthless market, like deals fall
apart.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
You think some people don't get paid and shit.
I've been here, yeah well, I've, I've.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
I've honestly, I've only worked with good people.
Ontario micro growers.
Oh yeah, they're solid yeahlike I worked with them as well.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
They had a unicorn.
A unicorn truffle that I reallyliked, good when it was fresh.
But yeah, I know those guys arenice, they're cool.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
Yeah, yeah so.
But yeah, I've heard, I'veheard people not getting paid,
so like no man, I think thatgoes like any business.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
They make sure you like, just like, do your
research and here you're workingwith it.
Oh yeah, I don't know.
I know it sounds simple, but,um, trust your gut and stuff too
, like I don't know.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
Yeah, I saw some video on on LinkedIn.
Sorry, let's go on.
No, no.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
I don't know like there's this one.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
I don't know anything , I don't know any names, I just
it's one.
I don't even know if it's adeep fake, but if Some big CEO I
don't know even know I think itwas in the state somewhere said
let's not pay the little guysbecause they just can't survive
if, if they can't continue, thenlike they're not gonna come
after us right, yeah, you know.
(29:11):
I don't even know if that wasreal.
You know, it's like a video Isaw and like and like I could
see myself being in thatsituation, like oh wow, you know
right.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
Well, there was, like I was, quite a while ago.
I, it was the Canadian CEO, whothey have the ankle bite or
comment, so you're not too faroff, right?
Um, I think there'll always bea place for it.
Again, like I said, noteveryone wants to smoke the
booth, right?
Like no, no joke, right Likethere's always gonna be a market
for fire weed, as far as I know, I mean.
(29:42):
Yeah, 100% yeah 100% yeah, so Iguess just dialing it back to
like you started growing.
How do you get to this pointwhere you're like fuck, I'm
gonna mark partner up with yourpartner.
Mic Shout out to Mike, yeah,yeah so to.
Mike and kind of join on thiscrazy ride.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
Yeah, I don't know, I , I really I just I don't know.
I used to work construction andI had a decent job before and I
legit.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
That's what you used to do before you Grew weed.
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
All right, like I.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
like it was unionized like trade, like like skilled
trades and shit.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
I was a trim carpenter actually.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
All right.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
Yeah, so I did a lot of baseball indoors.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
But you work with your hands and I guess, growing,
there's a lot of working withyour hands.
All right, wouldn't you say?
Speaker 2 (30:29):
no, and you probably got to build out your rooms
right.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
Yeah, of course, and like I mean, I was growing as I
was like, of course.
I figured yeah, I didn't justlike all of a sudden cut off,
but like yeah, I just alwayslike and I was always like that.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
There's a hobby and you're like I'm gonna do this
for a living.
Speaker 3 (30:44):
So how do you do?
Speaker 1 (30:45):
you transition though , like how did you just like?
That's a big decision, dude,that's crazy.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
Yeah, I don't know, one day I just said this is like
not what I want to do and like,honestly, I went back and forth
.
My brother has a constructioncompany and I went back and
forth To like back to this, backto this, yeah, and like I mean,
my brother is awesome, it'sjust it was construction again,
you know.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
I hear you.
There's no passion there.
You're passionate about weed.
Is that you think?
Speaker 3 (31:11):
Yeah, 100%.
And like I mean big shout outto my parents because they
definitely helped me out a lotthe in the beginning, and like I
never would have thoughtbecause back in high school
being in trouble for smokingweed, and like here they are,
like they support you, yeah,yeah.
So big shout out to them.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
That's awesome man.
And like we're lucky, our momsupports us too.
And like yeah, Um, I can'timagine that be weird to like
not be able to be honest withyour parents.
Yeah, I do or be like proudabout it.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
So, dude, some people's parents disown them.
It's crazy.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
You know, to this day my dad actually comes and helps
out and cleans up, cleans upthe rooms.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
Oh no shit.
Yeah, on the weekends Cool manpops comes and hangs out with
you.
Yeah, like helps chip in.
Speaker 3 (31:53):
Yeah, yeah, family friend Kathy comes to help him
as well.
So like, yeah, like.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
And like I gotta.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
I gotta give all the shout outs to that, because like
it's not just me there.
There's people who help no no,no, no, no, no, no, I started us
and like, yeah, I just I'msurprised to at least not that I
know of you know but, um, bigshout out to Jess.
She's, she works at trees,she's, she's been there since
like in the very beginning andit was really really rough.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
How many staff you have.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
Um, Jess is mainly the only one there.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
It's you and Jess.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
Yeah, well, no, not the second spot.
The second spot has actuallytaken me away a lot more, but
like I mean I'm there in backlike there's always fires to be
put out, but anyways, jess, 100%.
And then Jacob, he's at the newspot.
I met him recently.
He's awesome.
We got Chirica there, we got uhCatherine and we got Anton
(32:49):
another great guy.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
No man that's friend of mine.
That helps out a lot so nothinggreat happens on the accord of
one person.
Man, I think that's awesome.
You got to shout out yourpeople yeah there's gonna be
shuttles, as I remember, people.
Quickly shout out our team here, richard and Carly, for the
great job they do.
Yeah, yeah, I'll tell you guystoo, for sure, and our great
(33:12):
Cosmic Charlie's, like I feel soblessed.
You can't make uh great thingshappen without good people.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
Megan Lauren Louise Jack Shaquille Daniel.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
It's probably hard from like, let's say, for
instance, your dad, to like lookat the weed and be like, wow,
my son's doing a great job.
But he must be proud of you,man, because, like I don't know,
I think that's fire weed.
I really I haven't blazed inabout a week now and I really
want that's the permanent market.
I rolled up a sailboat, nice.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
The sailboat where you put the two papers together
and then you'll like to thetriangle off.
I don't know if you guys sawthat.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
Wasn't it just an L-P .
Speaker 1 (33:50):
Yeah, an L-P, I guess , but I instead of the L-P.
Speaker 3 (33:52):
But then you like yeah, you gotta trim down, and
then trim it like a sailboat.
The backwards joint.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
I don't know how to fuck with those you want to show
me how to fuck with those.
Yeah, 100%, let's do that onthe next segment.
All right, let's go try this.
Uh, I don't even remember whatI rolled up permanent market.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
Thank you, Thanks, ben, we're gonna be back.
We're gonna be back with.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
Ben Howdy buddy, where are you on Instagram, ben
Pondavi?
Speaker 3 (34:18):
Uh, yeah, but you follow trees, botanical, see.
Each can of this is a new spot.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
See, that's you yeah, cannabis, that trees cannabis.
Yeah, we're right back up, manAwesome.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
Welcome back, shawnee and Benny.
We back you.
Look lit buddy.
How was that?
Speaker 1 (34:46):
I wanted to smoke it so bad.
So I'm exhausted, I like, uh,my son had me up at four in the
morning today.
I know you know about this banRight, you have three kids or
whatever.
Speaker 3 (34:55):
You have a big shout out to my wife, my wife.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
All me too, shout out to my wife as well.
I, I was just up, I guess Ilaid in bed or whatever because
I tried to help out, but the kidwas freaking out and wanted his
mom.
I'll go sometimes, but, um,that's why I'm especially high.
I think, yeah, that makes sense, you're riding the other way,
I'm riding it, but I'm juiced onDiet Coke and permanent marker.
(35:19):
Now, nice, I gotta say that wasdelicious dude, really nice man
, remember, yeah, yeah is thatsomething we might see uh in in
in the uh rotation somewhere?
Speaker 3 (35:29):
I mean never, say never.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
Yeah, I mean it like again it what a one strain of
the year, I think somewhere.
Yeah, a different cut though.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
Like a different cut.
They're all different cuts, ofcourse.
Well, I mean, some of them are,I'm sure, maybe the real cut.
Yeah, yes, yeah, no fairThelmumbo, jumbo, all the, the
numbers, the string names.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
I'm glad we met you, though, man.
You grew a really nice weed.
I feel like if I was gonna workwith somebody, I'd maybe think
about working with you.
No, that's nice to hear yeahman, I mean that, like you know,
if I put like a cosmic charlie,you know brand together, I
would, uh, I would consider it.
Speaker 3 (36:03):
Totally man.
Yeah, yeah, what would it be?
Cosmic buds?
No, you gotta sound something alittle nicer than that, because
how much do you buy from you is?
Speaker 1 (36:11):
it four pounds or something.
It's like four pounds I'd haveto buy from you minimum or
something to make it worth yourtime.
How many pre rules could I makeit a four pound?
Speaker 3 (36:19):
for you any amount you want.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
Oh well, you have to have the proper license.
I love you.
I love you, buddy, I willfigure out.
Cosmic crisp, cosmic crisp,your Joker, oh, the, what the?
The apple fritter maybe.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
Fubby, and if you don't know about those apples,
go by a fucking apple cosmiccrisp.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
Definitely mad far and a scene on that.
I look for it.
I'm we're gonna try.
Can we try that next?
I think I have.
I put it in my pouch.
Which one was that I'm gonnaroll that up?
That bulls ittles thing Is thatyou said it was your favorite.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
I'm gonna go on my favorite one, just keeping it
close in the patch.
Speaker 3 (36:50):
You got to break the bud, though.
Break the bud.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
I will.
Speaker 3 (36:53):
It's fresh.
Speaker 2 (36:54):
Oh yeah, I would say, like each of those, like after
inspecting, and again, like I,I'm gonna try, we'll try them at
some point.
They all had like lots of allthe boxes ticked and in their
own right you know what I meanlike the turfs are there.
I'm watching guys blaze likethat ash was there.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
It's sticky dude smells great.
I know you're saying it's fresh.
There's like definitely got abeautiful stickiness to it,
which I love, and I feel likezittles always has this
structure with that really likelong dense, like Coney kind of
thing.
Speaker 3 (37:29):
Yum you know, break that up by hand.
No, no, no, no, no, but I liketo like take it off the stock
you know no, no right whichwhich of these is your favorite?
I really like the permanentmarker.
Yeah, but the apple fritterzittles is very nice.
That was my yeah that's.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
I mean, both of those are yeah, but I mean I'm gonna
squirrel some away.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
How many lights you have in your canopy, man, you
know?
I guess it's hard to like themath.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
I can do the math.
I mean inside one, insideKitchener.
If you're talking HBS lights,well, some of the rooms are HBS,
some of the rooms are HBS LEDs,some of them are straight LEDs,
it's kind of oh, you have a mix, you have a party max.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, just Just toget by for now, but the
(38:19):
intention is to go all of LEDlike I really like LED.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
Thanks, yeah, yeah, no, I can't wait to try that,
and you're growing in Rockwellor soil um, why I either Coco or
Rockwell.
Speaker 3 (38:35):
I flip flop on back and forth.
Interesting Coco, I don't know.
Clean clean up wise is better,definitely better than Rockwell.
The thing is with Rockwell Imean, if you lose it, you've
lost it.
For the right.
Them like the moisture contentright.
I mean Coco's a little bit moreforgiving and I actually just
(38:57):
like Coco.
But I've actually done acomparison test right, and
Rockwell tested higher.
Okay, yeah, and I got exactlythe same amount, but even the
feeds were exactly the same likestronger turf percentages and
more TG kind of thing.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
Yeah, wow.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
So how cool is that?
Speaker 3 (39:17):
the deli's little things, I mean, maybe it was
just specifically those budsthat were tested, but
consistently, because I did morethan one test.
It was higher by like 2%, but Istill like Coco better.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
That's wicked cool man.
Sorry, I'm always just blownaway.
You can go so deep into it andI just I don't even pretend I
know anything about growing,because I don't so sometimes I
feel like that I'll be honest.
Speaker 3 (39:41):
I tell everyone, like , if I don't know what's going
on, I just look it up on YouTubeand I'm not even like being
funny, like that's really what Ido.
That's fucking awesome like onGoogle.
Speaker 1 (39:49):
That's the best way to be man, be curious, realize
you you know, get what are yourtop three strains of all time,
like your personal favoritesmoke.
What are you?
What Terps are you're like?
What is your jam Like?
What are your flavors?
Speaker 3 (40:03):
I'm not good with the Terps Do you know where is your
good, the only time I look atthe Terps is like when I get
like my test back from, likehigh north, yeah, shadow time
north to they, I just look at,oh, that's the percent that.
Or like oh, I got thatpercentage in Terps.
Like cuz, that's one of thehigher ones, like very enough
top five?
Speaker 1 (40:22):
Yeah, okay, what about?
I'll rephrase the question whatare your favorite strains?
To grow and smoke as a grower,and to smoke is a smoker.
That's a good question, right?
Hmm, I love three.
Give me three.
You think about the lock, thejack Clock to jack?
I've never tried that before.
Speaker 3 (40:39):
Yeah, that was.
That's an old one from TGA.
Speaker 2 (40:42):
Damn.
Maybe it's hard for a grower.
Maybe it's like asking youwhich kid you love the most,
like it's probably pretty hard.
I Don't know.
Speaker 3 (40:52):
I like the cut of gushers I had.
Oh Okay, I had no longer have.
Speaker 1 (40:57):
I had some good gushers Boss.
Today I could see that I goteight.
Speaker 3 (41:01):
I actually brought in HLVD at the very beginning.
Okay, okay, what's our likeit's?
It's a vibe.
Yeah, it's a viroyd.
Speaker 2 (41:11):
Yeah, I think I heard about this oh my hop.
Speaker 1 (41:14):
Yeah, you had that shit in your grove row.
Speaker 3 (41:17):
Yeah, so like when you first start with a micro.
That's fuck.
Health Canada only gives youone chance to Bring in all your
genetics, right.
Yeah you just kind of like getall your genetics and you
genetics and you declare itright.
So I had last minute I just Dida big like just took a bunch as
much as I could have cuts andand I brought one in.
(41:38):
Wow, and I didn't realizeanything until it was like too
late and I just Choppedeverything down.
Wow, it called me to go to anursery and that's for how I got
the banjo, and this is why,like I couldn't sell it, crazy.
Speaker 2 (41:57):
Oh man yeah, that's pretty wild dude.
Speaker 1 (42:00):
That must have been fucking terrifying, I guess yeah
, yeah, what's been the hardestthing, man, do you think about?
Like getting your micros onlineand getting to?
Like the stage you are rightnow You've been able to
wholesale the way you have.
Speaker 3 (42:14):
To be honest, I'm extremely blessed.
That's all I can like.
The journey was difficult inthe very beginning, like Fair
enough.
Speaker 1 (42:22):
Like, did it get easier after the first, like the
second, to the third facility.
Speaker 3 (42:27):
Well, the second one knew, so like we'll see how it
goes.
Oh, fair enough.
But like the first one, I'd saywe're pretty good, like, I mean
, like everything's Running aslike we're making money that you
like want to see it at yeah,and like in this industry,
doesn't seem like a lot ofpeople are making the same man,
(42:48):
so congratulations for you fordoing that.
Yeah, like I think we'redefinitely Making good money,
but I mean, it's it's not alwaysrainbows and sunshine,
especially for like a lot ofpeople like I feel, like I don't
like to use the word luck.
Speaker 1 (43:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (43:04):
But just getting in with some of the brands that
right.
You feel, yeah, yeah, yeah,very fortunate, because, yeah,
it's rough out there.
I know firsthand like alwaysman.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
I can't remember the same exactly, I'm not even stone
, but they.
They say that right, hard workand the collision of luck is
Something.
But it always takes a littlelittle something in like,
honestly, even I think we foundthis location by sheer luck
really I think you're so modestthe bed, I feel you.
Speaker 1 (43:33):
It sounds like you did a lot of hard work, man.
Speaker 3 (43:36):
Yeah, well.
Speaker 1 (43:40):
You guys all know like yeah, you bust your hump to
make it was like a reality andnot be like you know.
Another cannabis companyfinally for bankruptcy.
Yeah, yeah, well, you hearabout it in close.
Speaker 3 (43:52):
Well, we're here opinion.
Speaker 1 (43:53):
I said I was gonna ask you about this leveraging
the taxes, the excise taxes onthese companies, like through
the OCS, like through theprovincial board.
Do you think they should bedoing that?
Speaker 3 (44:04):
I don't think any money should ever be taken from
yeah it's not fair.
Speaker 1 (44:08):
You're not down.
Speaker 3 (44:10):
Yeah, well, I mean, if you haven't?
I'm always like, if you have anagreement with something, you
have to Abide by the agreement.
If they know what they're doing, it's not like they were caught
by surprise.
Speaker 2 (44:21):
You know like.
Speaker 3 (44:21):
I'm not gonna talk about the really the processing
game or judge anyone in theprocessing game because, like,
that's clearly why I'm still atB2B.
Speaker 2 (44:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (44:30):
Yeah, but I Doesn't matter what part in this
industry, it's rough out there.
So, yeah, I feel like thegovernment.
There's a lot of things likeeven just like Stuff you have to
do for the government thatsometimes seems a little bit
excessive.
Like for the CRA, they havetheir own division, and then
health Canada you have to yourown division, and I feel like
(44:52):
why don't they just mergetogether?
Oh right, they both.
Speaker 1 (44:55):
They both visit just.
Speaker 2 (44:58):
Not of them.
Talk, dude every every leveland like.
Speaker 3 (45:00):
I'm not saying anything bad about health Canada
, but I just feel like therecould be simpler processes.
Speaker 2 (45:06):
They're missing pieces together by not working
together.
Yeah, and a lot of these, a lotof these small smaller
companies.
Speaker 3 (45:11):
Yeah, no one's making money right now, Like the
margins are so tight, Like forthe grower at least you know
dude across the board it's.
Speaker 2 (45:21):
I Don't know again.
I think they're making money,so that's why?
Speaker 1 (45:26):
how much do you make average per gram, like off the
top of your head, I guess youknow like, like per yeah how
much do you make up awholesaling average program?
I guess I'm sure some firesmore than others, depending on
the deal, whatever xyz.
Speaker 3 (45:40):
But yeah, well, I like to ball.
$3 a gram is always my goal asa farmer.
Yeah, okay, and like if rightnow, if you're getting $3,
you're doing very well okay,okay, interesting but like it
all depends like some peoplewill pay 325 over.
Yeah, like, yeah.
Speaker 1 (46:01):
I'm sure certain vendors get preferred yeah
whatever.
But I was like average around,like that's what you want to be
getting, yeah and then.
But like some people, like.
Speaker 3 (46:09):
I mean I sell my product also for Like lower
before right, but I kind of drawthe line at like.
Get that three bucks yeah well,no, it's like I've gone below
that, like I'm Like.
Speaker 1 (46:24):
Like, hey, man, if you gotta make the deal happen,
you don't make the deal happen.
So I hear you.
Well, yeah, but is it about itgetting old, right, like I think
that's a fallacy.
And I tell Charlie all the timethat cannabis doesn't have a
best before date, like I thinkyou and I both know that like,
and that it does, that it doesyeah, you agree, right, yeah, of
course, right.
Speaker 3 (46:44):
Yeah, it's okay to cure a little bit.
Speaker 1 (46:46):
No, it's okay to cure it as long as you're burping it
and all that stuff, but I thinka lot of these guys aren't
doing that in their vaults.
In my room and I feel likethat's where I see a lot of I've
been seeing a lot of browngross weed I'm not gonna lie,
man and yeah, it's all yellowand oxidized and smells weird.
Speaker 2 (47:00):
It's gross.
Speaker 1 (47:02):
You know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 3 (47:03):
Yeah, it has that like that flavor to it when you
open, like it all smells thesame to the sour pickle.
Speaker 1 (47:11):
Sour man.
I think it's almost like badproduce, almost, I'm serious but
maybe it might be the packaging.
That's a culprit of it as well.
Speaker 3 (47:21):
I'll always say the same.
Speaker 1 (47:23):
It's warehousing to find that it's not as bad in the
winter as it is in the summer.
In the summer if it's reallyhot, I think that it stresses
out a lot of the product that'sheld in a lot of these middlemen
warehousing Situations that wedeal with because there's no
cold storage.
Speaker 3 (47:39):
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1 (47:40):
You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 3 (47:42):
I'm getting a hundred percent, a hundred percent.
Speaker 1 (47:44):
I think it should be kept in an air-conditioned
warehouse.
But I've been fighting them forthem for a long time.
I don't get a response, but Ithink it's a valid argument.
I'm sure it'd be reallyexpensive.
I was gonna say Fucking.
Speaker 3 (47:57):
Some of the LPs don't even realize, like after it's
left them.
How do they know the way it'sbeen treated?
Speaker 1 (48:03):
We don't need it to be a refrigerator, but I just
don't want it to be fucking like98 degrees in there, like
cooking away.
Speaker 3 (48:08):
No, I agree and like to your point like these, the
LPs don't even know what happens.
And then they got a complaintthat like something's up with
their weed yeah, I was beingcooked and they have no idea.
Speaker 1 (48:19):
Cooking buddy in an oven.
I feel like I think about likeamazing weed that's not good
after it gets left, and likeHomies Trump yeah, there was
some.
There's been jar inside like asuitcase, you know for too, long
and I didn't breathe and Ididn't see sunlight for a long
time.
Speaker 2 (48:36):
I don't think you want to store your weed in
sunlight, though, but no, but Ididn't know what you mean.
Speaker 1 (48:42):
It's been.
You know what I'm saying.
I know what you're saying.
Speaker 2 (48:46):
What do you want to see kind of in the market?
As you see it, like you'rebringing you know Some pretty
fire strains as far as I'mconcerned, what do you think we
could afford to see?
And I guess the Ontario marketlike Whatever has to be done.
Speaker 3 (49:04):
Like I know, there's a lot of other things but the
yeah.
Speaker 1 (49:10):
Well, make life easier for you, yeah, I know,
but I honestly the THC mumbojumbo.
Yeah, this is you off.
Speaker 3 (49:17):
Well, it's the market .
I'm not gonna complain aboutthe market I'm in.
I know that's right.
Speaker 1 (49:20):
I was like I changed, but I mean I well, you were
telling me you had this horseshawta.
There was a horse shawta herethat I tried.
That was beautiful.
It tastes amazing.
Speaker 3 (49:28):
Yeah that that can't test over 20.
Speaker 1 (49:31):
So what are you gonna do with it?
Around, but it's a phenolhine,basically.
Speaker 3 (49:38):
Yeah, of course.
Yeah, I keep it around, and butlike, am I actually gonna buy?
That and just take some spaceand said Because I got to hold
all that stuff in my mother room, I'm gonna my doing holding and
I'm never gonna do it, I'mright.
So eventually just gets chopped.
Speaker 1 (49:50):
There you go.
Speaker 3 (49:51):
Yeah, and you just constantly grow it just to see
how it produces.
You know that's fun though.
Yeah, that's the fun part 100%I like the phenolhines.
The phenolhines are cool.
Speaker 1 (50:02):
So you do that.
Your responsible for that toannounce, obviously that's your
responsibility.
Speaker 3 (50:06):
Yeah, so like I have a huge genetic bank that I
brought in before, so like youmentioned.
Yeah, so like I have likecrosses I did before, Okay and
are you breeding a bit too?
Yeah, I have.
I have actually done somebreeding and I actually brought
a cool strain with the applefritter crosses it all.
Speaker 1 (50:25):
Oh, that's your your cut.
Speaker 3 (50:27):
I Actually got this cut, this cut.
Speaker 2 (50:31):
Summer from silly.
Yeah, he said he's working onsomething with the fritter, with
the bird.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, super cool,yeah I, yeah, I'm gonna scrap
some of those nuggets for sure,okay we can't wait to smoke this
.
Speaker 1 (50:47):
You have to hear the feedback episode because I guess
we're like, almost done.
That's pretty funny.
It'll be a to be continued.
Speaker 2 (50:56):
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What's that?
What's the handle?
Speaker 3 (51:00):
at trees botanical at trees botanical.
Speaker 2 (51:03):
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They're working with primocaramel Ben smart.
Speaker 1 (51:09):
It's a great weed man .
Ben found a v master grower,trees botanical man.
It's been so nice getting toknow you, dude.
Thanks for coming by on the podtonight.
Speaker 3 (51:16):
Thank you, thanks for having me guys.
Yeah, man.
Speaker 1 (51:18):
Well, until next time , I look forward to your next
project that comes up.
Speaker 3 (51:23):
Thank you, sir.
I want to see you back withyour name, oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (51:27):
Don't forget to look out for the new Tangering dream
live resin she's, she's.
Speaker 2 (51:42):
What's that guy gotta do to get a shisha on here?
Speaker 1 (51:46):
Maddie, we need the she's bra.
We need a she's Bandabi, a band.
What do you think?
What do you think of the she's?
You ever drink that stuff?
I have actually Delicious,delicious trees with an approved
Signing off higher orbit.
Until next time I'm free totanicles.
Thanks, guys, thanks, love you,benny.
Speaker 3 (52:14):
Thanks.
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