Are We Worried For Jay? + J. Cole's "New" 2014 FHD, Nas & AZ or Jadakiss & Styles, MORE!

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Speaker 1 (00:39):
Welcome to Hip Hop Talks everybody.
I'm Coop, you know.
The stuff that goes on behindthe scenes before the show is
just absolutely ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (00:53):
This dude man.

Speaker 3 (00:55):
I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (00:58):
You want to know what's funny.
You want to know what's funnyjust as an innocent bystander,
just an onlooker from a distanceof your conversation that you
were two were having before theshow.
Is that the funny thing abouthow, how the conversation ended?
Is that actually, sean, that'ssomething that you would
probably do and that was thefunny part to me exactly, and

(01:19):
that makes me worried, too, thatyou're having once again a bad
influence on ag.
No, thank you, thank you yeah,no, absolutely, because it's
definitely an asshole comment Iwas sitting over here.
I was sitting over here in thecut getting myself together and
I was like whoa.
I was like where did that comefrom?
I'm like that is just ruthlessit is like it's like 10 days

(01:41):
from black baby jesus being bornor something, and like this is
ridiculous behavior.
It's like we're supposed to belike happy hanukkah kwanzaa
you're doing kapoor forever yeah, yeah, like.

Speaker 3 (01:56):
Hey, I'm sorry, I I'm apologize.
What I said behind the scenesto sean.
I'm gonna apologize on air.
So, sean I, sean, I'm sorry,that was left field, it was
unprovoked and I'm apologizingto you live on air.
My fault, bro, sorry I don'taccept your apology Dangerous.

Speaker 2 (02:13):
That's fine I don't accept your apology.

Speaker 3 (02:16):
I mean I just did it for the cameras anyway.

Speaker 2 (02:17):
You want to know what's great.

Speaker 1 (02:20):
Speaking of apologizing for the cameras, I'd
like to thank you guys for ourfirst segue Apologizing to the
cameras.

Speaker 3 (02:28):
Cue the J Cole.
Yo, that is a crazy segue.

Speaker 1 (02:38):
That is a crazy segue .
So where are we going to start?
Are we going to start with thenew music that he released, or I
guess the old new music that'sbeen released, yeah, lost tape
style?
Are we going to start with youranalysis of this docu pods,
whatever?

Speaker 3 (02:53):
Let's go.
Let's go to the music first.

Speaker 1 (02:56):
Great Glad you went there.

Speaker 3 (02:58):
Yeah, because everything lines up.
You know part of part of Cole'srollout.
You know for his retirementalbum, the Fall Off continues in
spectacular fashion, but hereleased the Lux edition I guess
you could call it of 2014Forest Hills Drive.

(03:18):
Now the catch is it's behind apaywall.
If you're a member of theinevitable uh series, which is a
podcast, you got a link whereyou could purchase the album
digitally.
Um, with eight new bonus tracks.
Um, I have the album and I havethe bonus tracks and what I
will say.
Um, I can see why a lot of thesesongs did get cut.

(03:40):
Um, they're, they're okay forthe most part, but I see why
they didn't make the the visionof the album.
But just for him to go back andgive those to the fans.
Like you said, coop lost tape,style it for what many people
consider to be his best album.
I think it's dope dope for himto do.
And um, I don't know if it'sever going to come on streaming
um services, but right now it'sbehind that paywall.

(04:03):
Um to buy digitally anddigitally.
And um, uh, they sold thevinyls, um, you know which.
I got a copy of one of those,one of which that was super
limited.
It sold out and, like less thanfive minutes, they only pressed
up 2014 copies and, um, they'reselling them for like three to
500 on eBay right now, right now.
And um, then they got theregular copy, which I was able

(04:25):
to obtain one of those.
So, but, um, overall, uh, thetracks is okay, but the rollout
itself is pretty dope.
Have any of you heard thetracks on youtube or anything?
I heard the tracks.

Speaker 2 (04:40):
I can see why, like you said, I can see why they
were left off.
Nothing to go crazy over.
I don't think they would havefit the original album itself.
To be honest, I think some ofthem could have been a couple of
loosies here and there.
I think some of the versescould have been placed in
different aesthetics around thealbum.
But as far as fit in the natureof the album they wouldn't have
fit at all.
So I can see them being on thecut room floor.

(05:00):
Some songs you can see where heprobably was, in a different
space or in between records atthe time, or in the genesis, or
even on the back end of thealbum itself.
As far as the fit, I don'tthink none of them could fit.

Speaker 3 (05:12):
To be quite honest, Right, I agree with that.

Speaker 1 (05:21):
I do feel like a couple of the tracks fit, but I
feel like most of it is justthrowaways.
I feel like the first recordand the last record are actually
the only actual dope recordsthat's home soon and obviously,
obviously feels like, um, itfeels like something from
kanye's first run.
I mean that like in like, likein a good way, and you can kind
of hear where kanye's influenceis all over the game and some of

(05:43):
these like unreleased tracks Imean the first few records are
all like stories, that kind ofuh, spin off some of the same
pieces, you would say, and so Ican see where he kind of felt
kind of conflicted.
It's like, well, which one ofthese three should I keep?
Shit, should I keep any of thethree?
Oh, fuck it, I'm not keepingany of them.
So I can see all of that aswell.

(06:04):
I actually did purchase thewhole thing to listen to the
music, so I will be going backto listen to some of the
podcasts, since this is going tobe his last album.
Yeah right.

Speaker 2 (06:18):
I think this is it.

Speaker 1 (06:18):
Pooh, this is it, I think you want it to be it Sean.

Speaker 2 (06:22):
How about that.
I'm crazy.
But no, I don't, I don't.
I think he's too talented toquit at such a young age.
I think he's still a young age,he's still got more to say.
But the way this rollout iscoming out right now, the way
things are shaping up, thismight be it, man.

Speaker 3 (06:38):
I got another point to that.
That's showing that he wants to, you know, really walk away
from the game.
But before that I wanted tomake a few quick points about.
It was two episodes ago on thepodcast, something y'all may
remember in real time but Idon't.
This was Born Sinner era and Ifound it pretty fascinating

(06:59):
because he was talking aboutwhen Born Sinner was getting
ready to drop, talking aboutwhen born center was getting
ready to drop and he wasreferencing that when his first
album came out sideline story,watch the throne came out the
week after that and kind ofstole all his thunder and I kind
of thought that's likecounterproductive.
If you got an artist that's yourflagship artist on rock nation
and you're trying to push themto the forefront.

(07:19):
You know a super group with youknow kanye and Jay.
Why Jay, would you know, putthat album out a week later to
kind of steal the thunder?
I mean, it's on brand for Jay,but at the same time I just
thought that that was kind ofweird.
And then, um, oh, go ahead,coop, you brought, say what else
?

Speaker 1 (07:38):
but I don't want to get too far ahead into our
subject matter, but but I thinkthat 50, and 50 has a tendency
to say fascinating things aboutJay said some fascinating things
about Jay that kind of makethat move, make sense Not make
it okay, but make it make senseif you understand who Jay really
is at the end of the day, Froma competition aspect.

Speaker 3 (08:00):
Right, correct.
But it's funny because thingscome full circle.
And you know, cole kind of gotthe last laugh a little bit
because I I really don'tremember this happening in real
time, but he was talking aboutwhen born center came around.
Um, he was prepped to drop thealbum on a certain date, but
then kanye announced, uh, yeezuswas going to drop the week

(08:23):
before him.
So then he was kind of like,okay, okay, I don't like that
because I don't want to be anafterthought after Kanye drops
Yeezus and then people go andlisten to my album and still
buzzing about Yeezus, I don'twant that to be a thing.
So he said he called his homieEve and was like yo, I'm trying
to push my release date a weekup with Yeezus.

(08:45):
So he called jay and got jay'sblessing and jay was like, well,
shit, he was like kanye did thesame thing with 50 cent, so
maybe you can take down thegiant, like you know, passing
the torch kind of thing.
And then so cole was like, okay, I'm gonna release the same day
yeezus.
He said because if anythingyou're gonna have to choose,

(09:05):
you're gonnaus.
He said because if anythingyou're going to have to choose,
you're going to have to talkabout both of our albums and
you're going to have to saywhich one is better.
So when that happened and Idon't remember this happened in
real time.
But when it happened and forthose of y'all who don't like us
to talk about numbers, we hearyou.
But you know, I'm saying Ithink this is pertinent to the
story Cole did 295 the firstweek and then Yeezus did 327.

(09:28):
And I thought that was likepretty fascinating that he was
that close.
But what's even morefascinating is he said on the
pod that Wale OK.
So Yeezus went number one thatweek.
The second week Cole outsoldYeezus on Born Sinner.
So his cumulative two weeksales was more than Yeezus on
Born Sinner.
So his cumulative two-weeksales was more than Yeezus.
But the number one album thatweek was Wale because he was a

(09:51):
new drop.
And then the third week Jay-Zdropped Magna Carta, holy Grail,
once again just two weeksbehind Cole, close to his artist
.
But then the fourth week thatBorn Sinner was out.
You know what I'm saying.
This is on shelves for a monthat this point he outsold Yeezus,
jay with Magna Carta and Waleand was the number one album in

(10:14):
his fourth week.
I thought that was pretty damnfascinating.
I don't remember that happeningin real time.

Speaker 1 (10:20):
I remember that Okay so it happened in real time, but
the impact wasn't felt in realtime.
It's just one of those thingsthat happened and that's why it
feels that way.
I mean once again back to the50 interview where he's talking
about Fab.
It's like, oh no, it happened,but it wasn't the moment.

Speaker 3 (10:43):
Yeah, that was some good content when he was talking
about that.

Speaker 1 (10:46):
That's the best part of the interview of mine.

Speaker 3 (10:47):
For sure.
But what I was going to say,that makes me really believe
that Cole is stepping away forgood.
And this is a new layer to itthat I didn't even consider.
They announced that the lastDreamville Fest, the fifth and
final one, will be next April,april 5th and April 6th.
And that kind of raised theeyebrow for me because I was

(11:10):
looking at that like OK, so he'ssaying he's not going to put
out any more music, butevidently that would lend the
clue that he's not going to beperforming anymore either.
And then I asked myself is thisreally the right thing to do?
Because I get it, you want tostep away and you want to retire
.
But Dreamville Fest is a reallybig festival.

(11:32):
And because you want to stepaway, what about your crew?
That still can eat a lot off ofthis festival.
You know what I'm saying?
Jid has made himself ahousehold name to a degree.
He can headline this festivaland it can continue on, you know
, with artists like Bass or youknow RA Lennox or whoever.
They can continue theDreamville Festival, but I don't

(11:54):
think that it's appropriatejust for like, because Cole's
hanging it up to end thefestival as a whole.
Just think about everything itbrings to North Carolina to
Raleigh.
Just think about everything itbrings to North Carolina to
Robbie.
I just, I just find it a weirdmove.

Speaker 1 (12:11):
What do you guys have to say about that?
I mean, if he's retiring, itmakes sense though, doesn't it?

Speaker 3 (12:16):
But I mean, he's not the only person.
He's the flagship artist ofdream bill, but it's other
people that represent dream billthat could carry that on.

Speaker 2 (12:25):
Got to grow up now.
Grow up now when Jay retiredthe first time.

Speaker 1 (12:30):
Yeah, I mean okay.
So here's the thing If he'squote-unquote retiring, which
means he won't be doingperformances, who's their
headliner now?
Jid, that's not enough to packjust yet.
It's not there yet.
That doesn't his.
You know, his album makingability is better than his hit

(12:54):
making ability, better than hischarisma, and some of where you
get placed generationally istiming.
Like drake, kendrick and colecame around at a time when we
were looking for what's next andthey pretty much rose over the
Wale's and the A$AP's over acourse of time.
But we were out there lookingfor something and that was the

(13:14):
best of.
What we got is how we got here.

Speaker 3 (13:18):
Well, I see what you're saying, but a lot of
Dreamville, like a lot of thedraw, was what I'm saying like
he hadn't chosen like that, tobe a headliner like that.
Yet right, and a lot of the drawsometimes is the artists that
pop up, like you know, the guestartists that come out for
concerts.
But you know, I just feel likethat's a different thing.

(13:41):
I see what you're saying,because that's like saying if
Lil Wayne was to retire for goodand then stop doing, um, the
weisiana fest, but it's likeattached to him.
But I think dreamville has moreof a, you know, a conglomerate
type feel to it.
You know what I'm saying, likethe whole label versus just
associated with cold it feelsmore versatile, but never I'm

(14:04):
what.

Speaker 1 (14:04):
Okay, what I'm trying to say in a nice way is is it?
Well, ari's probably almostthere.
Ari, I guess would be yourheadliner, like ari ari could be
a headliner here ari could be aheadliner possibly, but it's
like, if that's your headliner,like that is a step down for
cole, because here's somethingthat you just kind of
acknowledge.
Well, he's been doing numberssince he's this guy.
That's a long time to be doingbig numbers.

Speaker 3 (14:29):
But I want to ask you this, coop, because you're a
North Carolina native, you knowwhat I'm saying.
Originally grew up in NorthCarolina.
What does that do pulling thatshow from Raleigh?
What does that do economicallyfor North Carolina that it can
still?

Speaker 1 (14:43):
I like that you're discussing the economics of it,
because the economics of it isthe first thing that I think of.
It's like oh well, that's jobs.
That's leaving and that's thelast thing that we need from a
place that, quite frankly, hasbeen hurt by jobs in the latter,
especially in the modern daytimes, Because, well, it's been
a tobacco farming place for along time.
So, even though it hasn't beena good industry, these tobacco

(15:08):
farms have supplied jobs forgenerations and generations, and
that is an industry that hasdied slowly and for the greater
good.
That is a good thing Forindustry here, just for the
industrial plants in the Midwest, not a good thing for the state
economically speaking.
Another big thing economicallythat the state is affected by is

(15:30):
hog farming, which they've hadto been in battle with for a
long time.
So, like a lot of the thingsthat bring people jobs in North
Carolina, quite frankly, haven'tbeen the healthiest thing for
our environment and ourcommunity and as we've gotten
more educated and informed,those jobs have dissipated and
disappeared because places haveshut down, because, well, it's

(15:50):
not a sustainable way to livewhen you're passing out cancer
on a stick or on a fork, quitefrankly, with how you're
sustaining pigs that are beingslaughtered improperly and sent
to various grocery stores acrossthe nation, yada, yada, yada,
on and on.
So, even though you takesomething like the Dreamville
Festival and you think that it'slike, oh, that's not really

(16:11):
affecting it, it's like no, no,no, it is Because there are a
lot of jobs going on in thisstate that used to exist and no
longer exist just because ofthings being modernized.
So definitely something tothink about in terms of how it
economically is affected andmaybe, and maybe they're going
to do something different, maybethey're just going to rename it
and rebrand it somethingdifferent that's a good.

Speaker 3 (16:33):
That's a good point, um, but uh, real quick, before
we get off the cold topic, theysold tickets for the dreamville
fest through the um, through thepodcast link, if you're a
podcast member.
But I think one of the dopethings that they're going to do
going forward like being amember of subscribing to the
podcast.
Another perk that they're goingto do is his garden concert on

(16:54):
the 16th the Forest Hillsanniversary.
They're going to stream it livefor anybody who's purchased the
vinyl, the digital album or theCDs or the inevitable podcast.
They're going to stream it liveon a link that they'll provide
you through your email if youcop something or a member of the

(17:17):
podcast.
So that would be dope to watchit if you can't pull up to the
garden.

Speaker 1 (17:25):
Thank you, sean.
Sean, I was just about to getto those right quick.
Oh god, happy holidays to me.
Mad max is in the house, guys.
999 mad max.
What up?
Homie tell coot, free ice tray.
Here we go, atl, I don't knowhow to build around that serial
killer ice tray, the modern daypistol pete, with some Zeke-isms
Not Pistol Pete or Zeke, butdamn good.

(17:49):
The Hawks have a legit team.
The Hawks have a legit team.
You know what they have.
They have a proven score andthey have wings with athleticism
and length and youth and size,and that matters.
If they were to land somebodylike a Jimmy Butler via trade or
something like that, I wouldconsider them to be contenders.

(18:10):
All right.
Next Super Chat DJ253, shoutout Is Dreamville ending?
Something seems off.
We don't know if it's off.
We just don't know if it'sstill on.
Madmax199,.
Man that Dreamville squad.
Week JID ain't moving-ish.
You don't know if it's still on.
Mad Max 199.
Man, that Dreamville squad week, jid ain't moving-ish.

Speaker 3 (18:31):
You don't like JID, mad Max.

Speaker 1 (18:32):
What are y'all thoughts?

Speaker 3 (18:33):
on JID.
I feel like JID is out of myway.
People say JID is, you know,kendrick-like, so you know if.

Speaker 1 (18:38):
Mad Max don't rock with Kendrick.

Speaker 3 (18:41):
They said that about Isaiah Rashad though yeah, but
if he don't rock with Kendrick,I wouldn't expect him to rock
with JID, though he doesn't havea draw.

Speaker 2 (18:49):
Yeah, JID doesn't have a draw, though that's the
only thing.
When you go to Dream, when youthink about Dreamville, you know
, of course Cole is at thecenter of all of that, and you
know someone like JID who I Ithink he's dope, he has a dope
album, but he just doesn't drawthe attention that Cole would
draw.
Of course there's a lot thatgoes behind Cole.
I think it's morepersonality-wise.

(19:12):
Same thing is about Big Sean.
We see how Big Sean is missingsomething.
That's how JID is.
He's missing that it factor.
He's missing that hope, if youwill, he won't be able to carry
it, man.

Speaker 1 (19:26):
Hold on one second, guys.
I got to go check on something.
Something's going on upstairs.

Speaker 3 (19:30):
All right, that's cool.
He talked about Trey Young Realquick.
Sean, did you see where TracyMcGrady and Vince Carter bought
minority stake in the bills?
I love it.
Yeah, that was dope.

Speaker 2 (19:43):
That wasn't a move.
I Bills.

Speaker 3 (19:44):
I love it.
Yeah, that was dope.
That wasn't a move I saw coming.

Speaker 2 (19:47):
I love it.
I love it, I love it.
We need more of that.
We need more of that man.
Hopefully they can get a goodstake in that 3%.
Hopefully it can be somethinglike what Jay did.
Jay had like 2% in the Brooklyn.

Speaker 3 (20:01):
I don't even know if it was, that it was like .00
something or whatever.
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (20:07):
I got like .05 percent on the Knicks.

Speaker 3 (20:11):
But the point of that is so you can be like the face
of something, even if you're nota high stakeholder in it.
You can be the face ofsomething where face recognition
.

Speaker 2 (20:22):
So that's what.

Speaker 3 (20:22):
Jay was for Brooklyn.

Speaker 2 (20:24):
How does Griselda feel about that?

Speaker 3 (20:25):
Yeah, nobody called Westside on them.

Speaker 1 (20:31):
Mad Max with another 199 super chat.
Send Trey to the Rockets so hecan win the chip.
Where would y'all put theRockets if Trey Young went to
the Rockets?
Fellas, they ain't winning thechampionship.

Speaker 2 (20:42):
It makes them a little dangerous.

Speaker 3 (20:46):
They'd be probably like a 4C with Trey 3-4C.

Speaker 2 (20:49):
Yeah, I can see that.

Speaker 1 (20:52):
Okay, any final thoughts about Cole before we
slide to the next topic.

Speaker 2 (20:56):
Nah, sums it up.

Speaker 1 (20:58):
Yeah, alright, cool, let's get the red man, who's
about to follow up his classicMuddy Waters 2 and has dropped
the new single Jersey.
Sean, you set it off with thisone.
Tell me what you think aboutthe single Jersey by Redman.

Speaker 2 (21:13):
Look man, redman never disappoints with the
lyrics, never disappoint withthe charisma, the style, the
flow.
It's who Redman is.
It's 2024, though.
It's who Redman is.
It's 2024, though and I saythis with love, I say this with
love it's 2024.
It's not 1994.
Right, and I mean thatrespectfully, with the most

(21:34):
respect I don't think a lot ofpeople are checking for that
style from Redman in 2024, goinginto 2025, because he's never
going to disappoint you withjust style and raps and just
lyrics, all of that.
But it's just you got to update, you got to reboot.

(21:54):
Sometimes he's the artist thatcan reboot.
He's not an artist.
He is who he is.
He never had to evolve honestly.
I think that's one of the henever had to evolve honestly,
and I think that's like one ofthe Hold on, hold on.

Speaker 1 (22:06):
He never had to evolve.
Take that further for me.
Let's unpack that.
I think that's fascinating thatyou said that.

Speaker 2 (22:15):
Soul Rapper has never had to evolve and he's one of
those guys because of the wayhis style is, Because Redman
doesn't really.
If you think about what treeRedman comes from, it's hard to
trace it back.
I don't think he has a tree, Ithink he is the tree.
That's what I'm saying.
You can't trace it back.
You can't trace back Redman'stree.
You can't say, well, he hasthis style from this person or

(22:39):
this foundation.
Right, he doesn't have alineage, he really has his own
lineage.
So he never had to evolve as anartist.
Because if you listen I wentback and listened to a lot of
Redman music this week for somecrazy reason it all sounded like
dope, dope, but they allsounded like and I don't know if
it's because he was using EricSermon the whole time he didn't

(23:02):
step outside that box.

Speaker 1 (23:04):
Hold on, hold on.
Neither did Mobb Deep for fouror five albums.

Speaker 2 (23:08):
Until we got to Infamy.
Then it got weird.
Yeah, we're going to cover allthat I was about to say that's
not helping the argument, thoughExactly that's my point.

Speaker 1 (23:18):
I'm saying this to say I'm not saying that you're
against Redman, but let's say asan advocate for Redman, let's
say well, if it ain't broke,don't fix it, because for some
people, if it works, it worksand that's what you're going to
get from them.
We know what we're getting fromCool G Rap.
We know what we're getting fromEPMD.
We know what we're getting fromRed.

Speaker 3 (23:40):
If you're not, oh, go ahead.
Cool, my fault no, no, you'recool no, I was just gonna say,
like, if you're not versatile,if your wheelhouse is like a
small wheelhouse, as long asit's like something that people
gravitate towards, you can getaway with that.
So I think that's an excellentpoint you made, sean, because he
never had to evolve, becausered man was kind of like I don't

(24:03):
want to say in a class byhimself, but, um, he kind of did
his own thing and then, likeMethod man, when he linked up
with meth, they were kind oflike a likes in that respect.
So, um, and he was alwayslooked at as, like you know,
he's going to have the bars,he's going to have the funny
content, but we didn't reallylook look at him like a serious.

(24:25):
I mean, he was a lyricist, butthe content, the content was
what was lacking.
But red man was so dope he wasable to get by without having
that and I think that's a veryexcellent point that you made.
But, um, you know, if, if it'sgood, then, like poop said, if
it ain't broke, why fix it?
Like, push a?
T gets away with that, grizzled, it gets away with that.
They stay in their wheelhouse.

(24:46):
But I actually feel the oppositeabout these new records that
you feel about, because when Iput them on it's actually, uh, a
two-piece, it's a um single, alittle two-pack.
It's um jersey, and then don'twant to see me rich.
When I put those records on Iwas kind of like thrown off
because I was this is bobby redman, like they're two.
You was kind of like thrown offbecause I was this is Vibey
Redman, like they're two.
You know kind of Vibey tracksand that's not something that

(25:09):
Redman was really known for alot, you know, in his heyday
they were kind of enjoyable forme but I was kind of thrown off
about, you know, I was like Ididn't know if I wanted Vibey
Redman for two straight songs.
I thought one of the joints wasgonna be like yeah, but not
both.

Speaker 1 (25:26):
I'll tell you what I hate to say this, it hurts me
inside to say this.
I'm gonna have to agree withsean.
I'm gonna have to agree withsean because, okay.
So here's the thing.
I don't think necessarily whatsean is saying is a bad thing.
It is what it is thing.
So let's discuss the firstthing that I asked Sean to

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unpack, which was, well, you'resaying he didn't have to evolve.
I find, when you said that, youknow who I thought of in
basketball terms.
I thought of Carmelo Anthony.

Speaker 3 (25:59):
Don't do this to me.
Carmelo's my favorite man.
Don't do this, no, no.

Speaker 1 (26:03):
I actually have some complimentary things to me.
Carmelo's my favorite man,don't do this, no, no.
I actually have somecomplimentary things to say.
If you actually think aboutCarmelo.
Well, you really can't name morethan five, six, seven players
better in his era than him.
So he's a top player for hisera and he's an all-time great
player.
He is a top 75 player.
He's one of the toughest guards, just like reggie's one of the

(26:26):
toughest dudes on the mic tocompete with.
But it is like you get thefeeling you woke up one day and
you felt like the game hadpassed them by in terms of what
they bought to the table.
That was superior, supreme,that put them in that category,
and that happens sometimes.
And so it's like when you haveyour run, you have your run.
If you look at his run, which ispretty much like essentially a

(26:48):
10-year run from about 90 to2000, 2001, like as far as like
the real peak part of the run,it's like no, he did some
wonderful things.
He dropped four great albums.
He dropped the great groupalbum.
He dropped a great, aboveaverage to great duet album with
Mev.
He countless rhyme of the year,caliber verses, rhyme of the

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year verses like the last verseon how High.
He did it all in a 10-yearstretch.
It's a great Hall of Fame careerto have is just for some people
.
They're not able to adapt.
Like a um, like a lebron or asteph or a kd did that were kind
of like his classmates in asense.
They were just able to evolvetheir games and start picking

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stuff up to make it work for themodern day era.
But as far as the run goes, agreat run, and that's kind of
how I look at red.
But also have to agree withsean not really feeling the
music like that because I don'tknow if people are checking for
it.
It's hard for me to get into it.
It's hard for me to get into it.
I'm not going front.

Speaker 3 (27:52):
That's good points.
Oh, go ahead Sean.

Speaker 2 (27:54):
No, I was agreeing with Kool because the Carmelo
thing resonates with me morebecause Melo had a middie out of
this world.
You know, middie out of thisworld, you know.
I'm saying in today's league amiddie can still get you points,
but the three ball is what getsyou the real points right.
And that's the same thing withred.
Red was always nice.
We never, we never said oh,that was a whack album by red.

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You know.
I mean, like we never had thoseconversations, like we talked
about meth, we said that to calwas, it was a downer.
You know, over years, over Inreal time, we loved Takao
because it was still off thestrength of Wu, but over years
people never really championedTakao as a classic or even as a
cult classic.
We championed Muddy Waters as aclassic or a cult classic.

Speaker 1 (28:38):
Well, here's the thing Redman has at least three
albums better than Takao.

Speaker 3 (28:43):
Yeah, I give him two for for sure.
I think what the?

Speaker 1 (28:46):
what the album there's a dark side of muddy
waters are all better than tocow like, just objectively
speaking I would have a hardtime put what the album over to
cow, but I feel what you'resaying though you personally
might like like that's what I'msaying for like how about this
for its time, what the albumbigger and more impactful and
more important than Takao, evenif you don't think the music's
better.

Speaker 3 (29:06):
That's fair.
But I want to ask both of you areally tough question.
And you know, as you wastalking, cupid made the picture
kind of clear.
But in a world where, you know,nas can get with a hit boy and,
you know, churn out six firealbums and kind of reinvent
himself, in a world where commoncan get with p-rock and give us

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a vintage sound and peoplestill, like you know, uh, give
it critical, critical acclaim.
And then in a world where llcool, j can come back, link with
q-tip and method, man can blazefeatures, so on and so forth,
are we saying that in 2024,there is no place for a red man?

Speaker 1 (29:47):
You mind if I take that right quick, sean, please,
please, please.
To be honest with you, I thinkit's going to come down to the
production, because when youwere just talking right now, I
was thinking, well, it's like itreally wasn't the MC that made
the difference.
At the end of the day, it wasthe producer, because a
producer's job is to make theartist sound good.
Part of making an artist soundgood I wouldn't say young is the

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word, but making them soundupdated, making them sound
modern, making them sound likethis is a modern-day version.
Nas is not talking anydifferently on these six albums.
The themes haven't changed.

Speaker 3 (30:22):
Not really they haven't.
They're more mature, but I see,yeah, you're right though the
canvas is you paint on.

Speaker 1 (30:29):
You know he's good with oil and acrylic.
It's like he's been doing itfor 30 years.
It's like no no, those oil andacrylic paints.
Those are the same oil andacrylic paints we've been
looking at, but they sound fresh.
They sound, yeah, they soundlike 2020-something.
They don't sound like 1994nostalgic Nas talking about

(30:51):
betting grants with the CeeLochamps.
It sounds like Beth RoizTalking about those times now.
Now he's taking advantage ofhis OG status and Hit-Boy's
giving him a modern sound.
Who's giving Redman a modernsound is the question.
We know the caliber MC.

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He's a top 20 MC all time.

Speaker 2 (31:15):
Absolutely.
But he, he can't make a storerun, he can't make a pressure,
he can't have the nostalgia andthe look back that someone
because, think about it, we grewup on it on Nas Right, and the
look back that someone because,think about it, we grew up on
Nas right, so we walked with himthroughout that career the
King's Disease and Magictrilogies respectfully both of
them.
He's taken us down memory lane,no pun intended, because he's

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going back to talk about wearing, you know, the red leather.
You know what I mean withflames.
He's talking about these thingsthat we can identify.
He's like yo.
I remember we had the redleather jumpsuit on stage.
I remember the flames comingbehind him as he's walking in
the Hit Me Now video.
All of these things aretriggering our emotion.
How we are tied to Nas as anartist, as our favorite artist.

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Red doesn't have that nostalgiaof look back and pull back.
Hold on.

Speaker 1 (32:02):
Let me ask you all something.
Hold on, ag.
I'm glad that you asked thisquestion, ag.
Hold on.
Did Redman never have a moment?
Was Redman ever that dude?

Speaker 3 (32:11):
No, I was going to allude to that, coop.
I think top 20 is high.
I think top 20 is too high forRed and I love Red, but I think
25 to 30, 25-30 might be moreappropriate.

Speaker 1 (32:30):
No, no, no, I can't do that because there's not,
they're not.

Speaker 3 (32:32):
You can rattle off 19 other names real quick, man,
like it, adds up no, not withbetter bars and albums put
together no like you got g, yougot g over red you got G over
Red who G rap?
Yeah no okay, okay, I askedthat because I wanted to see
what realm he was operating in.
So if you don't have G over Red, then I can see why you got Red

(32:54):
in top 20.
So I understand that.
I just had to ask that onequestion, like it'd be hard for
me to put Black.

Speaker 1 (33:00):
Thought over Red, because I'm like man like Red
got more like bangers and he gotel nino like think about this,
he has el nino blackout andblackout, muddy waters.
There's a dark side.
What the album like you tellingme that there's 20 mcs with
with just those?

Speaker 3 (33:16):
in my mind.
Where it's in my mind, it'sfalling more closer to 25 than
it is 20, because I'm justrattling a bunch of names off
the top of my head and actual,actual skill-wise, like think
about the guys that you mightput ahead of him.

Speaker 1 (33:28):
What would happen if it was actually become like on a
record, like who would do what?
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (33:34):
The catalog is strong .
That's his strongest you knowchip that he can put to the
center of the table, Like howabout this.

Speaker 1 (33:42):
Him and Nas are the only guys from the 90s that can
get on a Wu-Tang record andstunt on Wu-Tang lyrically.

Speaker 3 (33:48):
That's a very valid point.

Speaker 2 (33:49):
Very valid point.
Not many can do that.

Speaker 3 (33:51):
Not on a posse.
It's not even a handful of catsthat can do that.
So good point, Kool.

Speaker 1 (33:57):
No, those were the two guys from the 90s.
Yeah, those two.
One and two.
Let those two one and two.

Speaker 3 (34:02):
Yeah, let's be real.
They wouldn't let you on thetrack if you couldn't do that.

Speaker 2 (34:05):
You couldn't do that.
Yeah yeah, we got more C's thanAODD.

Speaker 1 (34:10):
So yeah, so yeah, he's like that to me and I'm not
like his biggest fan in termsof like me, I'm a big fan of
Muddy Waters.
I'm a big fan of what he doeslyrically and his way of
thinking and patternizing rhymesCause I do believe he invented
a style of rhyming, but yeah,but yeah, like I can't think of

(34:33):
20.
Got no, like it's one of thosethings.
Like I have him ahead of gurutoo.
Yeah, I do too.

Speaker 3 (34:39):
But that that might be his moment to answer your
question is because I didn'trealize that till you and sean
said it that he does.
He doesn't have.
You know, like sean said, hedoesn't have anybody that comes
before him where you can see,okay, red man is the lineage of
this person.
Now, eminem, you could, youknow, and he, he'll tell you as
much.
He'll point to red man, like yo, I'm from the school of red man
, but maybe that's his moment inand of itself.

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He like developed, you know arap style, or you know whatever.
That's his moment in and ofitself.
He like developed, you know arap style, or you know whatever,
that's kind of like the firstof his kind, because I can't
think of anybody before him.

Speaker 1 (35:11):
How about this part of his problem also may be that
you know, the style that he's anauthor of is the least talked
about, like history is the leasttalked about.
Everybody talks about Kane andRakim, krs andS and so on and so
forth, and you know Melly, melbefore that, and like Kaz and
Kuma, like we kind of got ourtrees organized already and when

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it comes to that tree, wereally don't talk about like, oh
, redman, busta, rhymes, odb,eminem, all that rah, rah, that,
yeah, yeah yeah, briggs justmade a good point.

Speaker 2 (35:44):
um, redman moment could have been.
How high, think about how big,how high it was.
And Briggs from Jersey as likein a vacuum.

Speaker 1 (35:52):
As far as a rap song duet, you can make argument that
it's the greatest rap duet songever, just like if we're just
talking about one song, notsaying that they're the best duo
, but if we're just talkingabout one rap song because think

(36:15):
about it, it's a street recordand a hit record and lyrically
is just out of this world andthat is rare that a record is
that beautiful and that big of ahit and the hook is his to that
point though that's.

Speaker 3 (36:30):
You know, that's a shared moment with Method man,
but he was talking about thesong.
But when he's, when Brick saidthat I was thinking about the
album, because maybe his momentwas the album, because I think
he clearly out, rapped, out,rapped Meth on that entire album
.

Speaker 2 (36:45):
I mean for I mean out-wrapped Meth on that entire
album.
I mean, I mean Meth waspunchline-ing like crazy on that
record.

Speaker 1 (36:53):
Go back and listen, man.
Okay okay, red is a bettertraditional lyricist than Method
man.
I want to be careful when I saythat Red Band's a better
traditional lyricist.
Part of what makes Method manspecial is want to be careful
when I say that Red Band's abetter traditional lyricist.
Part of what makes Method manspecial is that, vocally and
style-wise, we hadn't reallyheard anybody like Method man

(37:13):
with that combo either.

Speaker 3 (37:16):
If you don't know either MC, like the Star Power,
the Wu-Tang affiliation, ifyou're an A&R and you hear that
album and you listen to both ofthem side by side, who are you
saying, like yo, that one's theguy okay.

Speaker 1 (37:30):
So here's the thing.
Like, I would tell you thatRedman's a better MC, but I'm
telling you that I'm signingMeth because Meth is the star
and you can still hear that too.
Yeah, that's fair between thetwo but that's why it works,
though.

Speaker 3 (37:44):
That's why the combination works.

Speaker 1 (37:46):
Absolutely.

Speaker 3 (37:49):
Dope Red talk.
I like it.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (37:52):
Let's finish with the Red talk right quick and get to
a couple super chats.
We went a little bit over onthat one.
So Red is celebrating two ofhis album releases, which is,
you know Muddy Waters, which wasreleased December 10th 1996,
and Doc's know muddy waters,which was released december 10th
1996, and docs the name, whichwas released december 8th 1998.
This is part of the run, guys.

(38:12):
I mean I feel like this is afive and a four and that's what
I mean.
It's like if you look at hisrun in the 90s it's like, well,
everything he dropped was a fouror four and a half, four or
five.

Speaker 2 (38:21):
It's like yeah, mr consistency, yeah, yeah and I
want to talk about.

Speaker 3 (38:25):
I was talking about a bobby uh red man record I still
listen to uh the goodness oftenlike that joins us about how?

Speaker 1 (38:32):
about this?
Like like people that haveandre and black thought ahead of
red man, where's your 1990sevidence?
Think about it like where'syour actual 1990s evidence?
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (38:47):
I love those guys.

Speaker 1 (38:49):
And I prefer to listen to Black Thought and
Andre Over Red.

Speaker 3 (38:52):
That's why I'm saying that it's like with a big
speaking, I don't know how muchyou're going to love this is a
sidebar, but I don't know howmuch you're going to love, andre
, if you read that quote that heput out.
Was it today?
Yeah, that's not going to makethe show today.

Speaker 1 (39:05):
All right, let's go to the Super Chat.
Scott, of course I don't rockwith JID.
It's Mad Max with the 999 SuperChat.
Of course I don't rock with JID.
Shout out to Mad Max.
His last album is just as weakas Good.
Kid Mad City, or Strong orStrong we you Prefer Mad Max.

(39:26):
He be typing too fast sometimes, fam, and I need to slow down.
Mad.
Max is crazy man.
Yeah, mad Max is crazy.
Cj the Kid with the $5 SuperChat.
What's up guys?
Hope you guys are doing well.
Hope I didn't miss much Came inwhile you guys were talking
about my hometown hero.
Oh sorry, sorry to break yourheart.
Mad.

Speaker 2 (39:40):
Max $1.

Speaker 1 (39:40):
199.
Redman is dark humor cane.
He has a lineage.
I don't know about that.
I don't see the connection.
I don't see the connection.
I don't see it.
Stuff that you want out.
Yeah, you tried, mad Max.
We got any more Super Chats onthe board?
Oh, we got plenty of SuperChats on the board.
Andrew Williams with the 499Super Chat.
Nah spoilers Because of Nas.

(40:01):
Subconsciously, we think everylegend is supposed to be great
for 30 years and it's just notreality.
Nas' style is timeless.
So, if I may, real quick,gentlemen, this is the effect
that I was talking about thishit boy run was going to have on
our generation, on our ears.
It was going to make us look atall his contemporaries
differently when they releasedprojects.

(40:22):
And I said this when this wasgoing on, because I can remember
when Rick Ross and big boyreleased their projects a couple
of Decembers ago and I was like.
I was like I know this projectis good, but because of what Nas
is doing and because these arepeers quote unquote, big boy
more so than Rick Ross, becauseRoss was a little bit later I'm

(40:43):
like, but you know, elderStatesman in the game, I'm like,
no, it's hard for me to enjoythese projects right now.
And that's some of what hasgone on with us, with our ears.
For those of us that have heard, yeah, the.
May Johnson with the 199 SuperChat.
Unfortunately, Trey Young isthe man at the garden.
He really is.

Speaker 2 (41:03):
Yes, he is Shooting dice on the logo.
That's crazy man, that's crazy.

Speaker 1 (41:11):
Great Trey must have went to the east side on the low
.
He must have went to Reed AnnAceta Grove.
That's crazy, mad Max.
999 Super Chat.
Redman has his own tree of sons.
How he not top 20?
I can make the argument he'stop 10 or no lower than top 15,
and I don't even like Redmanlike that, because I don't get
him, but I gotta respect him.
Mad Max, I actually agree withyou.

(41:31):
I can't really be honest withyou guys.
I can't see an argument foractually even 15 MCs better than
Redman when I think about it.
But we can have thatconversation.
The other day I'm doing which?

Speaker 3 (41:42):
You got him right around next to Common about that
ballpark, yep.

Speaker 1 (41:46):
Yeah, that's fair.

Speaker 3 (41:47):
Yeah.
I think, that's a good area.
That's a good comparison.

Speaker 1 (41:50):
Yeah, same wheelhouse .
He's somewhere in my 11 to 15range with Common.

Speaker 3 (41:53):
Okay, yeah, I got you .

Speaker 1 (41:55):
Mad.

Speaker 3 (41:55):
Max is on again.

Speaker 1 (41:57):
And Redman is bizarro Kane.
He's a bars rapper, rapper,punchline like, who just adds
humor to his style.
He's Kane with a twist.
Pause, I'm not touching this, Istill don't see it.
Nobody knows what you'retalking about.
Mad Max, you trying son.

Speaker 3 (42:11):
But thank you for your super chats though.

Speaker 2 (42:13):
I appreciate you Gave it to you to prove that point.

Speaker 1 (42:16):
DJ BK with the $2 super chat.
Is Doc's name better than Takao?

Speaker 3 (42:19):
No, no, but still a solid album.
Doc's name is.
I think that, like you said,Coop.
I think both of them are fours.
I'd give T'Challa four andDoc's the name of four, but not
all fours are created equal, soI'm going with T'Challa Well how
about this?

Speaker 1 (42:34):
If you actually look at the stuff that Redman did
before and around Doc's name,doc's the name is the weakest
project Like El Nino is better.
Muddy Waters we know what MuddyWaters is Blackout that's
coming right after is better.
So all the projects around itare just better and so it seems
kind of like just okay.
But there's stuff on thereGoodness, busta Rhymes, I'll Be

(42:56):
that there's.
You know.
There's some of that Bullyfootrap that he's, you know,
infamously known for on there,of course.
Yeah, all right, where are wegoing?
We're gonna do a quick littleclassic rundown, right, quick
yeah, we have to do this a runthrough yeah, personal favorite
of mine, guys, carter 2,released december 6 2005.

(43:16):
This came out when I was livingin cali.
This was my southern vibe.
This and ti's king is what Iplayed the most when I was out
there.
Commons b, carter 2, ti's kingthose were the three that were
in rotation.
Money on my mind is my favorite.
Ti's King is what I played themost when I was out there.
Commons B Carter II, ti's Kingthose were the three that were
in rotation.
Money on my Mind is my favorite.
Lil Wayne song.
I think it's his best album tothis day.
I don't care what you CarterIII motherfuckers have to say
about it.

(43:37):
With your corny pop tendenciesCan't stand you.
Happy ass Negroes.
Carter II is his real album.
I don't really got to say aboutthe Carter 2, gentlemen, oh, oh
no.
The oh no interlude.
That might have been the rhymeof the year in 2005 as well.
I was just saying a lot Leather, so Soft was my joint on.

Speaker 2 (43:59):
It Was that on this one Carter 2, right Leather.
So Soft Was that on here thatwas so soft on here.

Speaker 3 (44:07):
Hustle music.
Hustle music.

Speaker 1 (44:11):
There's no.
Birdman on here.
This album can't be a classicas Birdman.

Speaker 2 (44:15):
I passed it to AJ.

Speaker 3 (44:17):
Pardon me, it's okay, hustle music, fly in, fly out.
Money on my mind's up there.
The Mob, the Mob mind's upthere the mob, yeah, the mob.
That's one of the best rapintros ever yeah, and like
here's the thing I the thenumbers are out of order, but
the carter 2 is very much jay-zvolume 1 to me, where yeah you

(44:39):
know the bars are better, andyou know, than the carter 3.
But the carter three is the, themajor album.
Like jay-z's, volume two washis major album and it was the
culmination of everything.
But you know, the carter two,uh, he has a song, uh, best
rapper alive on there, and notthat I was really buying into

(44:59):
that notion at that time, but itmade me, like, really pay
attention, like okay, I don'tagree with that at all, but you
know he's putting his name inthe hat, though.
It was the combination of themixtapes, carter two and all the
features around that era, andcarter three was just the

(45:20):
culmination of all that.
But for me as a fan, carter 2was the one where I was really
starting to buy into Lil Wayne.

Speaker 1 (45:29):
I agree.
I love the Volume 1 analysis.
I love that and the.

Speaker 3 (45:33):
East Coast aesthetic helped, because the Carter 1
didn't have the East Coastaesthetic that the Carter 2 has.

Speaker 1 (45:39):
Well, manny did all of the Carter 1.
And then the fallout happened.
And you know Manny did tracksfor the Carter one and then the
fallout happened.
You know he was in.
You know Manny did tracks forthe Carter too.
Carter too was what was gettingmade when the fallout happened
and it made Wayne had to go in awhole, nother different
direction.
But I think that directionactually ended up helping him in
the long run.
It is his volume one in a lotof ways, like cause.

(46:00):
In a lot of ways.
Getting like money on my mindfor me is very like imaginary
players, like like cause in alot of ways.
Getting like money on my mindfor me is very like imaginary
players, like like it's thatrecord that I identify Wayne
like the.

Speaker 3 (46:09):
MC has.
So yeah, but you, you, you wasmaking a joke about the pop, the
, you know, the pop um Carterthree.
Do you think that, around thisera, where you'd have the show
of the soldier feature and thenshooter on his own album, that
that was the start of that era?

Speaker 1 (46:25):
Oh, absolutely.
I mean he was segueing in thesuperstardom.
Don't get me twisted about theCarter 3.
The Carter 3 is a great album.
The Carter 3 is a great album.
It's not, but it is a lot ofthat stuff on.
There is like how about this?
I feel like Drake wrote a lotof that album.
That's how that album sounds.

Speaker 3 (46:46):
Time to segue.

Speaker 1 (46:48):
Time to segue.
I feel like.
Drake wrote a lot of that album.
Them hooks on there got money.
That's the way.

Speaker 3 (46:57):
Nah, that's pain, that's pain right there.

Speaker 1 (46:59):
But what I'm saying is that there were so many
factors in the play.
Wayne was so heavy.
It was a lot saying is is thatthere were so many factors in
the play, like wayne was soheavy it was a lot.

Speaker 3 (47:07):
It was a lot dude.
Yeah, it was a lot it was atime.

Speaker 1 (47:08):
What I'm saying is is there are so many influences on
that album.
It's like well, it's like youcan call that wayne's classic,
but they're so collaborative tome in terms of the sounds, in
terms of what I'm hearing,stylistically it don't sound
like a little wayne album to meokay.

Speaker 3 (47:21):
So yeah, I agree with that, but and he was hanging
out with the dip set a lot atthat time you know what I'm
saying, so you know you get thatwhole aesthetic.
But we're arguing carter twoversus carter three.
So are we saying that he hastwo definitive classics?

Speaker 1 (47:37):
I think carter two and carter three are classics.

Speaker 3 (47:39):
I'm okay, okay I just wanted to clarify that we're
saying that he has two, or wasit one and a possible?
Because either one could be thepossible.

Speaker 1 (47:46):
Like you know what I'm saying so right, depending
on how you feel and depending onwhere you follow him in his
career and what you feel like,yeah, by modern standards.

Speaker 3 (47:55):
I think he does have two classes because if people
say in like Forest Hills Driveand joints on that level is
classic.
And yeah, I think Carter twoand Carter three are definitely
definite classes.

Speaker 1 (48:03):
I think Carter II and Carter III are definite
classics.
I think Carter II and Carter.

Speaker 3 (48:05):
III are better than Forest.

Speaker 1 (48:07):
Hills Dress.
I agree with you.
Yeah, yeah, okay, let's get tosome more classic stuff, or not
so much.
Common Electric Circus,december 10, 2002.

Speaker 2 (48:17):
They're talking about Common right now in the chat.

Speaker 1 (48:20):
Yeah, Okay, stuff like this is why I have Redman
over Common.

Speaker 3 (48:24):
Yeah, nah, I love this because it's necessary.
Sometimes you gotta fall to getback up.
You know what I mean.
Like, listen.

Speaker 2 (48:33):
Gotta fall to get back up.
Look at this album cover Firstof all.

Speaker 3 (48:38):
I'm gonna ask y'all a real question Would B be the
classic that it is if thiswasn't his predecessor?
That's what made B that muchmore special.
Still mad, it came afterNostradamus.
We got that.
We got Mama Said Knock you OutAfter Walking Like a Panther.

Speaker 1 (48:56):
You need to stop that .

Speaker 3 (48:59):
B is one of the greatest Comeback albums of all
time and as great as B is.
We not hold a B as high ifElectric Circus did not come
before it.

Speaker 1 (49:10):
What?
That's a fact.
Not all falls are createdequally Okay.

Speaker 3 (49:21):
All them falls are about the same.

Speaker 1 (49:22):
See, some falls are about the same.
See, let's see, some falls arelike falling off of Stone
Mountain, where these racist-asspeople put up these racist-ass
white men on a big mountain herein Atlanta, georgia, so
traumatized.
It's like y'all actually didthis.
You let these white people getaway with this crazy shit.

Speaker 2 (49:48):
It's tripping man and then, there's Mount Everest.

Speaker 1 (49:49):
Okay, falling off a stone mountain, falling off a
stone mountain and falling off aMount Everest, them ain't the
same falls.
Mount Everest type of fall putthe cover back up the cover
tells you everything that youneed.

Speaker 2 (50:02):
It tells you everything y'all missing my
point.

Speaker 3 (50:05):
I'm not saying I like Electric Circus.
I just said it was necessary tohis story because B is not held
in the same regard if ElectricCircus doesn't come before it.
I'll put that on everything,and B is a great album.

Speaker 2 (50:19):
Look how he's looking on Electric Circus.

Speaker 3 (50:21):
Yo real question what do y'all got?
Electric circuits or universalmind control?
Which one y'all got?

Speaker 2 (50:27):
None of the above.

Speaker 3 (50:29):
Nah, you gotta pick one.
Which one you take?

Speaker 1 (50:31):
Damn.
Why would you do that to us?
Why?

Speaker 3 (50:36):
would you do that to Common?
It's a real question.
Give me universal mind control,but which one you take?

Speaker 2 (50:42):
You're deflecting.

Speaker 1 (50:43):
Actually electric circuits have come close
Universal mind control, butwhich one?

Speaker 3 (50:47):
takes it, You're deflecting Actually.

Speaker 2 (50:49):
Electric Circus has come close.
It was a crash, that's it.
They're both bad.

Speaker 1 (50:53):
Everything else is terrible between the two
projects.
It is.

Speaker 3 (50:58):
Is it Erica's fault?

Speaker 1 (51:00):
It's Dilla's fault.
Who's the producer?

Speaker 3 (51:03):
I don't know.
Erica was turning niggas outaround this time man.
They was making some wild stuff.

Speaker 1 (51:08):
Erica's been turning niggas out since 1996.
Look man, erica.
I never met Erica.

Speaker 2 (51:14):
I never met Erica.
She had me writing some wildstuff.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (51:19):
Erica man Common started wearing sweater-knit
hats and made electric circus.
You know, you see what 3K wasdoing.
And then, like what's his name,jla Trotica disappeared, like
look here, fellas, I seen Ericalike in her prime.

Speaker 1 (51:37):
Me too cool, that waist with that ass.

Speaker 2 (51:42):
She was sitting down the whole.
I saw her in Japan, man.

Speaker 1 (51:47):
I worked Seven's birthday party when they were
younger like her and Dre.
I came to one of the spots thatI worked at.
I worked Seven's fifth birthdayparty that Erykah Badu.
Oh no Shit.

Speaker 3 (52:02):
Self-explanatory why he made Electric Circus.
Your boy was.
He was a little smitten.

Speaker 1 (52:09):
That's that Texas.

Speaker 3 (52:10):
A little smitten with the mittens.
That's a bar.

Speaker 1 (52:14):
No, no, no, it's not a bar.
Don't do that again.

Speaker 2 (52:19):
I don't want to do that again.

Speaker 1 (52:21):
Not a bar.

Speaker 2 (52:22):
That's wild Yo is AG been drinking with the mittens?
He's starting to leave.

Speaker 1 (52:29):
He's starting to leave the lot right now AG got a
little rum in the egg.

Speaker 2 (52:33):
No, this is what he is.
This is what he is hangingaround.
No, not at all.
Not at all.

Speaker 3 (52:42):
Sean be saying this every show.
You know what I say, coop.
You remember on New Jack City?
Not at all.
Sean be saying this every show.
Sean say this every show.
You know what I say, coop.
You remember on New Jack City,where he was like, yeah, the
head of the TMP is back there,the educated brother.
That's how Sean be trying to dome on every show.

Speaker 2 (52:58):
Yeah, educated brother in West Virginia.

Speaker 1 (53:02):
Okay, let's get to a couple of super chats and then
finish up these anniversaries.
Better hip-hop catalog Gibbs,wayne, k-dot Cole.

Speaker 2 (53:15):
That's tough, I got to give it to man.
That's tough.
I'm eliminating Cole.
You kind of got to I'meliminating Wayne.

Speaker 3 (53:24):
It's between Gibbs and Doc.

Speaker 1 (53:27):
I'm giving it to Gibbs.

Speaker 3 (53:30):
I could go either way .

Speaker 1 (53:32):
Well, here's how I feel.
Gibbs doesn't have a subparproject for us to talk about.

Speaker 3 (53:36):
He has no business.
These other guys do.
But to Sean's point, gibbsdon't have the it factor, so you
kind of got to lean towardsKendrick a little bit in that
regard.

Speaker 2 (53:44):
That's a tough one.
That's a good one, mj, that's agood one.

Speaker 1 (53:49):
But he said catalog, not peak.
If we're talking peak, it'sKendrick.
If we're talking full catalog,it's still Gibbs, because Gibbs
don't have no misses.

Speaker 3 (53:56):
It's still close, but people would say that
Kendrick's hits like I don'tlike To Pimp a Butterfly like
that, but To Pimp a Butterfly,damn Good.
Kid.
All rank higher than Gibbs'best.

Speaker 1 (54:11):
Okay, so here's the thing.
After that, though, it would belike seven Gibbs projects in a
row.

Speaker 3 (54:15):
Yeah, yeah, of course .
But Good Kid, mad City isall-time.
Gibbs, don't have an all-timer,you know no doubt.

Speaker 2 (54:21):
The.

Speaker 3 (54:21):
Gibbs don't have an all-timer.
No doubt, no doubt.

Speaker 1 (54:26):
All right we got infamy.

Speaker 2 (54:30):
We got a couple more super chats Cool.
We got like two more Good boy.
Jermaine Johnson.

Speaker 1 (54:34):
No, I'm sorry, we got three more.
Y'all spending bread today.
Y'all spending bread today.

Speaker 3 (54:37):
Appreciate y'all.

Speaker 1 (54:39):
Yeah, we appreciate y'all.
Jermaine Johnson oh Ill Magic.
The Hustle is the only song Ilike on Electric.

Speaker 2 (54:48):
You keep thinking that Ill Magic Jermaine.

Speaker 1 (54:50):
Jermaine, the album's not any good.
I've been saying it for decadesnow.
Jermaine Johnson with the $199Super Check.
Yep Nas' hit boy run happenedafter the Nasir album, jermaine,
hey, hey, hey hey, it wasnecessary.

Speaker 3 (55:04):
That's my point.
Jermaine gets it, thank you.

Speaker 1 (55:07):
Okay, nasir, thank you.
Nasir has stuff like Cop Shotthe Kid.

Speaker 3 (55:13):
The only one I go back to is White Label for me
White Label, everything Like.

Speaker 1 (55:18):
No, there's stuff on Nasir, there's not anything on
Electric Circus.

Speaker 3 (55:22):
There's stuff on Nasir, but the sentiment of what
I'm saying.
Jermaine gets it.
Thank you.
It's a necessary fall to risefrom the ashes.

Speaker 1 (55:32):
Ill Magic 499.
Erica had Common in a limbo, somuch Kanye had to form an
inception to pull Common backinto reality with B.

Speaker 2 (55:39):
Ill Magic I had to put myself into.
I never met her face to face.
I just saw her on the scene.

Speaker 1 (55:47):
Yo, that's crazy what he seen.
He seen that small waist andall that ass.
I know what I seen.
I seen her.
I was like what the?
I see where all these niggasfrom.

Speaker 2 (55:58):
I didn't see any of that.

Speaker 3 (56:00):
Erica had comment wearing a potholder for a scully
in the feet.
I was doing the same thing andI was sitting down at the stage
I left.
Erica had a comment wearing apotholder for a scully in the
feet.

Speaker 2 (56:05):
Oprah, I was doing the same thing and I was sitting
down at the stage I left.
I had to leave.
It was an open field and shestarted playing the guitar and I
was like.
I'm listening right now.
I had to leave To the stage.

Speaker 1 (56:18):
Changed your life, changed my life To the stage.
Esquire with the five-dollarholler Did in my life Esquire
with the five-dollar holler.
Did y'all see Noble's interviewabout the Pac-Naz history?
He says Naz fabricated his barsabout QB chain and Pac's
medallion, among others.
I saw pieces of it.
I haven't watched the fullthing yet.

Speaker 3 (56:35):
I put the interview in the chat.
Yeah, dude said that Naz didn'thave his QB piece until 99 on
the front of the QB Finest album.
I'm like they can do yourresearch because first of all he
had that in 96 when it waswritten drop, because he got the
Rap City interview with Big Lesin 96 when the album was
getting ready to come out andhe's rocking the QB piece and

(56:58):
the Herm album yeah.
Yeah, he had it on before thenthey be trolling a lot on that
channel.

Speaker 1 (57:06):
We're not playing those games today.
Ghost with more fish 12-12-06,guys, what we think about more
fish?

Speaker 3 (57:16):
I love that.

Speaker 1 (57:16):
You're the ghost guy.
Go ahead and whack a poeticabout more fish.
Tell us how great it is.
You know I love this album.

Speaker 2 (57:22):
Of course it was the carryover from Fish Scale.
I've always felt that's all itwas.
It was more carryover thananything else.
I love the album.
I thought he was really puttingthe team on, putting his crew
on.
More than anything, I think SunGod to me stole the show off of
Miguel Sanchez.
We had Phantom of the Beats.

(57:44):
We interviewed Phantom of theBeats twice actually and he
actually produced that recordand I still today think that
that's one of the best records.
That Ghost actually went crazyon on the remix actually because
Sun God and Trife did that.
But yeah, nothing more to sayit was a solid effort.

(58:04):
I think it was more about the.
I think it was more just carryover from Fish Scale.

Speaker 3 (58:11):
I want to ask you a question on that, sean, since
you're the ghost guy.
Well, two questions.
Do you prefer Fish Scale orMore Fish, number one and number
two.
Do you think it would have beenbetter served as a double album
?

Speaker 4 (58:21):
I don't think it should have been a double album,
I think.

Speaker 2 (58:23):
Fear Scale to me was on a higher clip.
I think this was the leftovertracks going in from Fear Scale.
I think that's why he called itmore fish, Because I think
during that time this came outin what 06, right, this came out
in 06.
He was in a creative modeduring that time and he was also
putting the Theodore unit.
On point two, again, I stillthink that Sun God should have

(58:49):
had a lot more to say on thatalbum because he went crazy over
Kel Sanchez.
His son looked just like Ghosttoo.
I met Sun God.
He looked just like Ghost.

Speaker 1 (58:58):
What if I told you that he should have just put the
best of this on fish scale andtaken the weaker stuff off fish
scale?
And he should have just put thebest of this on Fish Scale and
taken the weaker stuff off FishScale.
And he would have.
I would be mad at that like aFish Scale Deluxe.

Speaker 3 (59:13):
I feel like.

Speaker 1 (59:15):
Fish Scale is a classic to me.
If I'm picking Ghost's albums,like me, for me it goes Supreme
Iron Fish, then Bulletproof yeah, I feel like the best of more
fish with a couple of properedits on fish scale puts fish
scale in supreme iron manterritory, which I don't think

(59:37):
it resides in I think that's agood point and that, and then
he's walking around with threecertified classics and then
that's top five type shit whenyou're walking around with three
.

Speaker 3 (59:49):
Yeah, because the weaker stuff hurts Like not
certified.

Speaker 1 (59:51):
Like think about this how many guys are really
walking around with three likewhere we know they got three?

Speaker 3 (59:59):
Jay Nas like it ain't too many, that's what I'm
saying.

Speaker 1 (01:00:02):
Yeah, so that's how I always look at More Fish.
I'm like oh no.
I wish you just would have putall that together and edited it
out.
I would have liked to see RZAexecutive produce More Fish and
Fish Scale.
I feel like that may have beenthe thing that would have been
fire More Fish.

Speaker 3 (01:00:19):
the weaker songs do drop it down a little bit
because, as constructed, I gotPretty Tony album over More Fish
.
Oh, me too oh.

Speaker 1 (01:00:29):
Pretty Tony's better than More Fish, but not better
than.
Gale.
Right, right.
I love Pretty Tony though.

Speaker 2 (01:00:34):
Pretty Tony was vintage goals for me.

Speaker 1 (01:00:38):
Pretty, tony rounds out my top five, and then I'd
probably have More Fish at sixor seven.

Speaker 2 (01:00:43):
Right, because More Fish is more compilation at six
or seven.
Because more fish, morecompilation-driven than anything
else.
Yeah, that's a lot of them.

Speaker 1 (01:00:48):
Good compilation stuff.
We got some crazy super chatscoming in.
Let's go ahead and get to themright quick.
Cj the Kid with $5.
Don't sleep on more fish.
Had some bangers on there.
Please tell them, Sean, that MFDoom produced joint was nuts it
was.
No doubt Shout out to CJ Okay,cj, don't be taking Sean's side

(01:01:11):
in public.

Speaker 3 (01:01:12):
I'm mad we never got that collab album, though, man,
I wish we'd have got that Doomand collab album Ghost in Doom.

Speaker 1 (01:01:19):
That would have been nice.
Pocket full of ghosts $9.99.
First super nice pocket full ofghosts 999 first super chat.

Speaker 4 (01:01:28):
Shout out pocket full of ghosts.
Shout out sean, my marinebrother sympathy.

Speaker 1 (01:01:30):
I live in the.
I live in the greensboro by wayof ga ag love.
Show what.
Just want to support the pod.
Appreciate you, fam.
My first, uh, my first crib wason yanceyville pocket cam
porter, ten dollar hollow should.
Should Benny get more creditfor starting the album with
Hit-Boy Wade?

Speaker 3 (01:01:50):
Nah King's Disease came before.
Burden of Proof.

Speaker 1 (01:01:54):
We may not get the Nas.

Speaker 2 (01:01:55):
Hit-Boy but it did.
No, it can't.
Yeah.
King's Disease came rightbefore Burden of Proof.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:02:07):
We may not get the naz hit boy albums without naz
hearing what hit boy was able todo with that question mark.
I do feel like benny wasworking okay, so for me that for
.
So for me, the way that I wastold how the naz thing unfolded
is that he was just going to hitfor a joint.

Speaker 2 (01:02:24):
That was it yeah that's how it started.

Speaker 1 (01:02:27):
And then he ended up coming back, and so there might
have been some overlap in timein terms of Benny and how it
came together, especially withhow long Benny has taken to put
together.
I feel like when Benny workswith Alchemist and Hit, he takes
longer than he usually takeswhen he works with other
producers.
When he works with otherproducers.

(01:02:47):
He just puts it out when heworks with Al, he sits down and
crafts it, and so maybe someoverlap.

Speaker 2 (01:02:56):
King of the Seas came in August 2020.
Burden of Proof came in Octoberof 2020.

Speaker 3 (01:03:01):
Yeah, but a lot of people were pulling up on
Hit-Boy at the same time.
But the Nas joint started outas a.
He said he wanted it to be aValentine's Day EP.
That's how we got joints likeAll Bad and as the World Was Won
and all them joints, but thenit took shape as King's Disease
instead.

Speaker 1 (01:03:21):
Marquise Davis with the $20 super chat.
Just want to give anotheranniversary shout out not an
album, but a verse.
Biggie recorded, in my opinion,his best verse in december 1996
with tracy lee.
Keep your hands high.
That second verse, big went,nuts, dude, just got better.
I agree, tracy lee, the tracylee shit I think it's

(01:03:43):
conflicting stories.

Speaker 3 (01:03:44):
I've heard stories that that was the last verse he
recorded.
Then I heard victory was thelast verse he recorded.

Speaker 1 (01:03:49):
I've heard victory, but all around the same time,
those last run of verses.
You can hear him somewherewhere he's so comfortable and so
he's on the mic and he's so.
It's scary.

Speaker 3 (01:04:06):
He was leveling up.

Speaker 1 (01:04:09):
It's like when the best sniper, like becomes a
better sniper and it's like, oh,everybody's dead, that's what.
That's what listening to himlike at the end sound like.
It's like, oh no, everybody'sin trouble, like that's a fact.

Speaker 2 (01:04:22):
But that's why, no, again, I don't give too much off
topic.
But that's why I am was gearingup to be a double cd, because
while big was doing that, nowhe's also in the process of
leveling up conceptually wise.
That's why he wanted um thewhole thing with I am to be the
double cd the birth, the rebirth, all of that.

Speaker 3 (01:04:41):
So they was paying attention to each other.
It's competition.
Yeah, absolutely, absolutely Imean Big said it himself about.
You know what I'm sayingIllmatic going to, it was
written, took on ready to dielistening to study shit.
Now you on some money, shit,Successful, out the blue.
They was talking to each other,they was paying attention to

(01:05:04):
one another.
And you said it yourself, coop,that you think that shootouts
not shootouts, but the setupinspired was it.

Speaker 1 (01:05:14):
Niggas Bleed.
No, no, it's a directcorrelation.
Go listen to the setup.
And Niggas Bleed back to back.
It's the same story.
It's just Big made the endingfunny where naz made the ending
tragic.

Speaker 3 (01:05:26):
But that's who they are is like right now the cast
was playing tennis, they wasvolleying back and forth.

Speaker 1 (01:05:31):
You know, I'm saying like the same story, yeah, um
yeah yeah, man big was justskating on those records in such
a way it's like it's whobrandon rogers yeah, brandon
rogers, with the ten dollarsuper chat.
Speaking of ghosts, why did theoriginal version of Bulletproof
Wallets get sabotaged?
The original track list didn'tget sabotaged, it's just samples
, didn't clear?

Speaker 2 (01:05:51):
So sad, so sad, that's four certified classics
if the sample of BulletproofWallets cleared the watch.

Speaker 1 (01:06:04):
It's the watch and flowers that are really the one.

Speaker 2 (01:06:08):
And son with Slick Rick.
Yeah, oh my.

Speaker 1 (01:06:19):
So these are like those splitting hair moments
that people talk about, so like,okay, so here's how you need to
look at this.
Like, um, the samples that keepclearing on bulletproof wallets
.
That's like Katie's foot on theline against the bucks when he
was with the nets.
It's like, oh shit.

Speaker 3 (01:06:36):
He's like, no, it's like so I hate stuff like that
and you talk about it all thetime, coop the difference
between the IM bootleg since wewas talking about IM Project
Windows, and then the joint thatwas released on Nostradamus.

Speaker 1 (01:06:53):
That Trackmaster bullshit they did to the Machine
.
My Rig beat.

Speaker 3 (01:06:58):
It makes a big difference how a sample is
cleared or flipped.
They changed the BPMs.

Speaker 2 (01:07:03):
They changed the BPMs they changed.
The BPMs they changedeverything.

Speaker 1 (01:07:07):
They changed the way it was looped.
The loop was being flipped anddropping, and all that it still
fit.

Speaker 3 (01:07:12):
Another example is Kanye with All Falls Down with
the Lauren joint and then havingto get Selena Johnson to do it.
That's another joint.
His still was out of hereregardless, but if you heard the
regular joint with the Laurensample it hits different.

Speaker 1 (01:07:30):
It does, it hits different.
Cj the.
Kid with the $5 Super Chat.
Funny thing, Coop, is that thegeneral consensus feels like
Fiskale is a certified classic.
So does he have certified threeclassics to the rap community I
don't think most people talkabout nah.
People don't talk about Fiskalethe way they talk about
Bulletproof, and I mean yeahreal question, real quick do we

(01:07:54):
count Cuban Link for Ghost or dowe not?

Speaker 3 (01:07:58):
I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:08:00):
I don't because he doesn't have an album that's a
classic in that chamber for meto be like, oh Ghost, really the
author of that whole theme andthat thing, and that's been
Ray's whole season, his wholecareer.

Speaker 3 (01:08:10):
That's kind of like how you say with Big Boy and Dre
.
Like you know, Big Boy was likethe author of a lot.
Okay, yeah, I got you.

Speaker 1 (01:08:20):
Like Ghost, is a soulful guy.
He just happens to be a streetdude, so he fits with Ray's
street ethos he balanced Ray outhe balanced his Ray out right,
like Ray not gonna do thesoulful shit.
Like how about this?

Speaker 3 (01:08:35):
I feel like a record like Rainy Days is not on the
purple tape without Ghost youfeel me that's a good point,
that's a really good point andthat was my favorite record on
there at one point.

Speaker 1 (01:08:49):
But you right that's a ghost wheelhouse joint right,
but most of it is aggressivestreet shit, which is Ray's
wheelhouse, like you know whatI'm saying.
Glacier to Ice, ice Water, spotRushers, wugambinos, like that.
Criminology, knowledge, godIncarcerated, scarfaces.
No, that's Ray's wheelhouse.
You are in Ray's chamber whenyou're in the purple tape.

(01:09:10):
It's like Ghost is just thebest.
Like man, ghost is like Ghostis 91 Scotty Pippen.
He's like no, he's like I'm notthe best player, but I can shut
down the other team's bestplayer, magic, like he's like no
, no, no, I'm invaluable.
It's like I'm not the guy, he'sgot it, I could drop 30, though
I don't know if he's dropping 30yet, but he dropped in 2010 and

(01:09:32):
10.

Speaker 3 (01:09:35):

Speaker 1 (01:09:36):
Well, in that era, yeah, he hadn't ascended.
He's brilliant on the purpletape, but he's not all-time
great on the purple tape.

Speaker 2 (01:09:45):
He's the blunt force on the purple tape.
He's the necessary blunt force.

Speaker 1 (01:09:51):
He's the force multiplier on the purple tape.

Speaker 2 (01:09:54):
Yes, because Ray is similar to AZ.
In that regard, I've alwaysfelt that Ray and AZ are the
opposites of the same coin.
They relate back I like thatyou know.
I mean, I think very mellow,mellow guys, I think the bright.

Speaker 1 (01:10:12):
I'm glad you brought that up.
And so I think ghost mostimportant contribution to the
purple tape is actually hisenergy, because I think he's the
guy that gets ray amped up onsome of these records, like I
think ice water is the primeexample of that, you know, I
mean the way ghost comes in it'slike oh no.
Ghost amps that record up likelike oh no, like we, we gonna,

(01:10:34):
we gonna go at this one.
You know I'm saying check outthe rap kingpin the black cheese
.
When he started doing that shitit's like oh no, no, that's
infectious, has an mc.
When somebody come on the trackand start rapping, the way
ghost raps on some of the songshe leads off on, it makes ray
dig in like you know who it islike.
Ray is like mike tyson in 88,like on the purple tape, like he

(01:10:57):
hits everything so hard, butghost is like the guy that's
getting him amped up to hit thebag like that on a lot of those
records Criminology, ice water.

Speaker 2 (01:11:08):
It's funny you say that.
Cool, I know we don't want toget up these tangents, man,
because we got some of the superchats, but it's funny you say
that because I was listening toImmobularity on my flight.
Why would you do that?
Hear me out, hear me out, hearme out.
Immobularity is not a bad album.
It's not bad but it's not good.
I've said that for a long time.
It's not a bad album.

Speaker 1 (01:11:30):
I'm not rolling with that one.
It's the production.

Speaker 2 (01:11:35):
It hurts the production without RZA
orchestrating.
It hurts.
It hurts Without Ghost'spresence.
It shows you how much he isneeded, because I felt like ray
didn't have a direction withoutghost.
Like you said, ghost was thatthat corner guy that pump amp
you up.

Speaker 1 (01:11:51):
Yeah, you have that because he was like mike tyson
losing custom auto yes, yes,that punch wasn't there, that
punch wasn't as sharp I canshoot comments on Bill, but
y'all can shoot Ray.

Speaker 3 (01:12:02):
Some Bill for immobility.
That's crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:12:05):
Absolutely.
Electric Circus doesn't haveLive from New Yorker sneakers on
it.
These are facts.

Speaker 3 (01:12:12):
Let me ask you this, not album for album, which was
the biggest disappointing album?
Electric Circus coming fromCommon, or Immobility coming
from Ray, after the Purple Tape?
I mean, of course it's PurpleTape.
No, you said, I mean yes or no,which one's the most
disappointing?

Speaker 1 (01:12:29):
album it's Ray.

Speaker 3 (01:12:31):
AG.
Thank you.
You know that AG Immobularitydoesn't work, because there's
two albums in that classImmobularity and the Dogfather
that's it.
End Immobility and theDogfather that's it.

Speaker 1 (01:12:41):
End of the class.
No, no, no, prince of Darknessby Big Daddy King.

Speaker 3 (01:12:43):
Oh yes.

Speaker 2 (01:12:44):
Then there's that I was hoping you wasn't going to
say that.
Oh my God.

Speaker 1 (01:12:49):
That hurt me a lot boy.
That was crazy I tried tolisten to that album a couple of
years ago.
It still hurts.
I was like no, no, no, I'mgoing to cut that shit off.
Cut that shit off, cut thatshit off right now.

Speaker 3 (01:13:03):
Jeez, it was bad.

Speaker 1 (01:13:04):
Shout out to Kang, though.
Dogfather is the worst of thethree in my opinion.
Shout out to Moronarity BrandonRogers no, no, no, no, no, no,
no.
Cj the Kid.
Jermaine Johnson.
Jermaine Johnson $4.99 with theSuper Chat.
I hate when rappers rap about abunch of random nothing.
Also, I love when Ghost rapsabout a bunch of random nothing.
He makes it sound so good.

Speaker 2 (01:13:24):
You know I don't feel good.
That don't happen to my ghost.
He's notorious for that.
I'm not gonna lie.

Speaker 1 (01:13:31):
Okay, so first of all , Ghost is the only person that
raps about nothing.

Speaker 3 (01:13:33):
That it sounds like something.

Speaker 1 (01:13:35):
That's the thing about it.
His nothing sounds likesomething, though it's like hold
on, it's like he's rapping inhieroglyphics.

Speaker 3 (01:13:43):
I just can't fathom riding a plane listening to
Mobularity like yo.
This plane could fall on thesky, but I'm going to put on a
Mobularity, all the things thatI can listen to.
I'm going to listen to aclassic.

Speaker 1 (01:13:53):
It's like no.

Speaker 2 (01:13:55):
I was doing it for a reason.
I was listening to it for areason I was listening to it for
a reason I can't think of any.

Speaker 1 (01:14:00):
I mean, I guess Jesus is the reason for the season,
but even Jesus.

Speaker 2 (01:14:05):
Don't follow AG man.
He's doing this because we goton with him.
He's done this all the time.
That's what I'm talking about.

Speaker 1 (01:14:14):
All the time spent with you has not been productive
for AG.
That's all I have to say.

Speaker 3 (01:14:18):
See, this is what Sean do.
Sean say yo, the people need tosee the real you.
But then when I start to likeyou know what I'm saying, give
little flashes of who I amShaw's like you know.
He act like I'm frontin' he actlike I'm you know what I'm
saying like I shouldn't give itto the people, but whatever he
was saltwater fishing and doinghip-hop commentary when I met
him and now he whole assholebecause of you.

Speaker 1 (01:14:38):
Soft water fishing is crazy.
You like that?
Those are West Virginia shots.
Sorry, shout out to WestVirginia.

Speaker 3 (01:14:45):
That's crazy man.

Speaker 1 (01:14:48):
We got to get to these Super Chats, fellas.
We got a bunch and we got towrap up Cam Porter with the $5
Super.
Chat which album do you thinkwill be better?
Snoop and Dre or Nas inPremiere?
Neither Next Guys.

Speaker 3 (01:14:58):
Nas in Premiere Stop it Coop.

Speaker 1 (01:15:03):
That, guys, now's in premiere.
Stop it Coop.

Speaker 2 (01:15:04):
Well, that's only because you've heard the crappy
songs coming from Missionary.
Don't worry about that, I'm notgoing to lie.

Speaker 3 (01:15:07):
We're going to see you tonight.
The album already leaked, bythe way, I've heard and you know
what people are saying.

Speaker 1 (01:15:15):
Get those titties four thumbs down.
Cj, the Kid with the $5 superchat, go say if the OG
Bulletproof wallets were to havecome out, that it would have
been better than Supreme.
He thinks Thoughts.
Yeah, he also thought he's notrapping that good on Iron man.
So that's what we think aboutGhost.
That's what we think about whenGhost thinks about his own

(01:15:36):
stuff.
It's like, well, he thinks thathe's not that good on Iron man.
So you can go ahead and takethat thought, and take those
Iron man thoughts and we'll justkeep on handing him out fives
when he makes product like that.
How about that?
Kim Porter?
Fish Gale is to ghost whatAmerican Gangster is to Jay-Z.
I can see some of that.

Speaker 3 (01:15:57):
It ranks about the same in their catalog.

Speaker 1 (01:15:59):
Yeah, yeah, I can see some of that Shout out to Cam
CJ, the Kid with the $10 holla.
I'm telling you guys, people doconsider Fish Scale up there.
They may consider it numberthree, but it's considered top
three.
I wouldn't lie If you guysdisagree.
That's one thing.
I don't disagree with that.
It's my number three too.
I just think that people haveBulletproof and Pretty Tony

(01:16:20):
close to Phish Scale and it'snot close to Supreme and Iron
man.
That's the thing.

Speaker 3 (01:16:28):
Whatever you have at number three between any of
those albums is respectable.

Speaker 1 (01:16:31):
It's a separation, yeah Alright, any more Super
Chats.

Speaker 2 (01:16:39):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (01:16:39):
Two more Yep I see it it ghost 499, jermaine johnson
ghost can make sayingsupercalifragilistexpo backwards
sound like, sound like an illbar okay, and he did it.
Yes, oh my god we just we knowyou're gonna co-sign it, of
course, williams, with the fileon Chat, do you think we're

(01:17:00):
approaching the point where itwill become difficult to rank
Big over Kendrick.
If not, what does Dot have todo to surpass Big?

Speaker 2 (01:17:11):
Nothing.
There's nothing.
What are we talking about?

Speaker 1 (01:17:18):
There's nothing he can do.
Big for me in the vacuum is thebest dude I ever heard.
He's the best guy I ever heard,so it's like I'm not like.
He's the best guy I ever heard,rap.

Speaker 3 (01:17:25):
We just talked about that keep your hands high verse.
I love Kendrick, I rock withhim, but point to one of those.
You know what I'm saying Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:17:34):
So how about this?
Think about the verses that hedid that were not on his album
the year before he died.
He has more verse of the yearcontenders in that one year than
Kendrick has had in an entirecareer.

Speaker 3 (01:17:51):
Can't stop the rain too.

Speaker 1 (01:17:53):
That's why I'm saying Think about the verses the year
before.

Speaker 3 (01:17:57):
Can't stop the rain.
Victory, keep your hands high.
He was going crazy.
The Junior Mafia joints, eventhough they was 95.
Crazy, get Money.

Speaker 1 (01:18:10):
Remix, doing bar, seminars about Big for years,
yeah, that was a power packthree or four years.

Speaker 3 (01:18:20):

Speaker 1 (01:18:23):
Lightning in the bottom, the best three or four
years of rap I ever rapped.
It's just only three or fouryears.
But as far as rapping goes,yeah, ain't nobody rapped better
than he rapped while he rappedlike, especially that those last
18 months, man is it was crazyeven for pot and not last 18
months was crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:18:40):
He was leveling up as well.
He was leveling up man.

Speaker 1 (01:18:44):
Yeah, they were both leveling up but, you felt like
Big had just figured it out.
Pac had already had it figuredout.
Pac was just getting better.
Pac had been figuring it out.
Pac had already knew how to goplatinum and make the hit
records and make classes.
Pac already figured it out.
Pac was just getting better asan emce MC.
Big was starting to do othershit.

Speaker 3 (01:19:05):
The word you used was like comfortable and you know
and this is a dope tangent andwe you know what I'm saying,
going off on tangents, but onething I'll say Big, having his
leg broken, I think, was one ofthe ironically the best things
that could ever happen to him.
You listen to, ready to to die,how he's attacking the mic on

(01:19:29):
um life after death, and thenthose features in that era where
he had to sit down and rap inthe booth.
Everything is like wild,comfortable and just like you
know what I'm saying, it's notas energetic, but it's still
silky smooth or whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:19:38):
So so for somebody that were to rap or looks at rap
fundamentally using a metronome.
In terms of rapping, you haveto understand.
Some of the styles Big is usingon Life After Death is so ahead
of its time that it soundsoffbeat to you.

(01:19:59):
The first time you hear it, youthink he's offbeat.
If you go listen to him on LastDay to you, the first time you
hear it, yeah, you think he'soffbeat.
If you go listen to him on LastDay, I remember the first time I
heard him on Last Day, I'm likehe's offbeat.
And then I went back andlistened.
It's like he's not offbeat,he's ahead of the beat and on
top of the beat.
I don't think I've heardanybody rap on top and inside on

(01:20:23):
the beat at the same time, likewhen he breaks it up and says,
make you a classic, like myfirst LP, and when he starts
flipping it like that, it's like, oh no, it sounds like it's off
.
The first time you hear it andyou realize it's like, oh no,
it's not off, he's trying someshit, he's playing with his flow
, yeah, and it's working.

Speaker 2 (01:20:45):
On.
He's trying some shit, he'splaying with his flow and it's
working on the Patreon show.
I'm going to share my discrecord I have from Big that was
never released alright, sowhat's the next album that we
have?
I'm going to play it.

Speaker 1 (01:20:57):
GZ with the inspiration 12-12-06.

Speaker 2 (01:21:00):
I'm going to play that joint for y'all please
don't GZ with the inspiration12-12-06.
Sean is not giving outinspiration.
I'm going to play that jointfor y'all.
Please don't.

Speaker 1 (01:21:08):
What do?

Speaker 2 (01:21:09):
y'all think about the inspiration by GZ.

Speaker 1 (01:21:13):
I don't have anything to say about it.
Really.
I mean, you really want to knowthe truth.
Ag, ag.
What are your thoughts aboutthe inspiration by GZ?

Speaker 3 (01:21:24):
I still want to battle low with Jadakiss, jeezy
versus Jadakiss, but at any rateJeezy had a run you know what
I'm saying a dope run of albums,the trilogy, you know, the Thug
Motivation, the Inspiration andthe Recession.
But I would rank this one lastout of those first three.
I think Recession is better andThug Motivation is evidently a

(01:21:47):
classic.
But you know, the Inspirationdefinitely has some joints on
there.
That's all I got to say aboutthat.

Speaker 1 (01:21:56):
As far as sophomore albums go, this is not
Immobiliarity, the Dogfather,prince of Darkness, but it's not
any damn good.
This album ain't no goddamngood.
Not at all.
There you go, coop.
I don't believe.
Maybe it's the Christmas spiritthat's taking over me by humbug

(01:22:18):
if it has but I've beenagreeing with Sean on the show.
Sean is right this album is notany damn good.

Speaker 3 (01:22:22):
Look at the Atlanta power Make your coop freeze yeah
.
Yeah.
Three in the morning, atlanta,messing with your Wi-Fi Coop.
They didn't like that.

Speaker 1 (01:22:35):
Three in the morning with Timberland is the only good
joint Rest of it's forgettable.
It's not good.
It's not a good album.

Speaker 3 (01:22:43):
Yeah, Atlanta started messing with Koop Swap.
I didn't like that.

Speaker 1 (01:22:47):
Yeah, did y'all not hear me or see me?

Speaker 3 (01:22:50):
Yeah, you was freezing like crazy bro.

Speaker 1 (01:22:53):
Oh, I don't care.
Everybody knows how I feelabout Jeezy down here.
I'm his biggest supporter andbiggest fan.
It's Almano damn good.
I call it like I see it Almano,damn Good.
I had Trapper Die and ThugMotivation 101 to go off of
before this, and then you gaveme this it's nothing, goddamn
good.
And then after that, you gaveme Trapper Die 2 and the
Recession.

Speaker 3 (01:23:13):
I'm not nothing.
It's Almano goddamn good.
So you're saying if Lil'Everest stopped ducking smoke or
the verses that he couldn'tpull, nothing from this?

Speaker 1 (01:23:20):
album he can pull three in the morning, produced
by Timbaland, and he can't pullanything else.
And even if he pulled that hemight catch the fade.
I'm just asking questions, man96 Nas fade with the lines Fade.

Speaker 3 (01:23:44):
Sean want me to be myself, then when I'm on myself
it's a problem.
I don't understand.

Speaker 2 (01:23:49):
I gotta remind myself , sean is not a positive
motivating force within yourlife.

Speaker 1 (01:23:56):
Cj, the Kid with the $20 super chat.
At this point, a rapper candrop 20 game changing, five mic
albums in a row and people willstill put Big over Sad MC with
only five years F, that is.
Oh God, cj kid, have you beenhanging out with Mad Max?
I know you guys are going toshoot at me.
Go ahead.
Super Paul's LOL.
Cj, cj, cj.
Don't hang out with Mad Maxanymore.

Speaker 3 (01:24:20):
That's not even a fair statement.
Andre is the what I tell peopleall the time.
Andre 3000 is live andbreathing well, but you could
take big in those four, four orfive years and have.
He still has more verses thanAndre has out there in 2024.
Big still has more verses tohis catalog.

(01:24:40):
So I, if big is still eligibleto be in the top few, top five
or whatever people put Andrethere, I don't see the problem
in putting Big there, eventhough it's a limited catalog.
I really don't.

Speaker 1 (01:24:52):
More verses and better verses.
Ag, Not just more, but more andbetter.

Speaker 2 (01:24:59):
We got a couple more super chats.

Speaker 1 (01:25:01):
And he died when we were in high school.
Nigga, we are old, our childrenare in high school.

Speaker 3 (01:25:07):
Thank you, Coop.

Speaker 2 (01:25:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:25:10):
We are old, our children are in high school.
He is still at Raptors fan.
Don't get me started with thisshit.

Speaker 2 (01:25:14):
He still resonates.

Speaker 1 (01:25:18):
Mad Max we slandering Dot.
Why does everybody keep talkingabout Dot when we ain't talked
about Dot during this show?
Like, really at all, nobodyslandering.

Speaker 3 (01:25:25):
Dot, no, that's what Mad Max wants to do, he not?

Speaker 1 (01:25:27):
A-plus or Mr Cheeks.
He not A-plus, or Mr Cheeks.
Mad Max, are you from Queens?
Mad Max always Mr Cheeks, andA-plus, not A-plus.

Speaker 2 (01:25:38):
Yo shout out to Mr Cheeks man, yo, you remember the
A plus joint with AZ Like Aplus one or something like that
Tired of publications.

Speaker 1 (01:25:48):
Hyping up that bump sounding like Urkel with a
wedgie.

Speaker 3 (01:25:51):
That's like Urkel with a wedgie.

Speaker 1 (01:25:54):
Urkel with a wedgie is nasty work.
Mad Max, you need to chill outmy dude.

Speaker 2 (01:25:59):
This is wild, mr U Cheeks.
Oh my God, no, no, no.

Speaker 1 (01:26:04):
First of all, Mad Max Mad.
Max.
Mad Max no, no, no, no, no, no,no no.
Stop, stop this.
Right now, mad Max.
We're banning the use of theword cheeks on this show,
because we can't trust Sean Yowhat we can't trust Sean.

Speaker 3 (01:26:19):
Yo man, we gotta reel it in, man I see you, jarv.

Speaker 1 (01:26:22):
What up?
No, no, no, this wholeepisode's been off the hinge.
Let's get to the Purple Hazetalk One more, one more.

Speaker 2 (01:26:29):
No, no, no no more.

Speaker 1 (01:26:30):
Please make it stop.
Chris Doherty, $2 super chatCoop.
Really tired of K-Dot Talk.
His voice annoys me.
I mean, it's not a great rapvoice, you know.
Unless you're talking about myvoice, my voice is stellar and
you can kiss my ass if you'retalking about my voice.

Speaker 2 (01:26:49):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:26:51):
You better be talking about K-Dot CJ the Kid.
I've never seen you sodisgusted.
Ag Apologize, hello.

Speaker 2 (01:26:56):
Al.

Speaker 1 (01:27:03):
I'm glad y'all seen this y'all.
It's been well-read.
Let's get the Purple Haze Onemore.

Speaker 2 (01:27:05):
One more for Purple Haze and just real quick you
forgot the Infamy album came out.

Speaker 1 (01:27:12):
I didn't forget I was trying to skip over it, because
it's not any good either.
It is good, it's not good.

Speaker 2 (01:27:18):
Burn is good, but that's it.
You know what?

Speaker 3 (01:27:21):
I'm saying and handcuffs.

Speaker 1 (01:27:24):
I like handcuffs, but have it.

Speaker 2 (01:27:27):
I don't like that song.
I hate that song with thepassion.

Speaker 3 (01:27:29):
No, yeah, I mean Crawling, was it felt flat.

Speaker 1 (01:27:33):
Ooh, there's something Getaway.
That's the one Getaway.

Speaker 3 (01:27:36):
Getaway is hard.
Getaway is hard.

Speaker 1 (01:27:38):
Getaway is dope.
The Learning Burn is a classic,that's it.
When I heard the Learning I waslike it's almost over, because
I felt like Havoc and Noid justdestroyed Burn.
And I have to be honest withyou, the biggest disappointment
for me about Prodigy and hiscareer is his verse on Burn.

Speaker 3 (01:28:00):
The whole album Havoc , I'll rap.

Speaker 1 (01:28:01):
P on the whole album.
I'm not talking about the albumbecause I don't mean any good.
I'm talking about the lastclass songs.
They made.

Speaker 2 (01:28:06):
That was the small point.
P was distracted.

Speaker 1 (01:28:10):
This was their downfall, havoc is crazy on Burn
Niggas want to ride up by thecrib.
All slow Clap, motherfucker.
Want a real rap show.

Speaker 3 (01:28:19):
The hook was the highlight.
Shout out to Vita for the hook.
The hook was the highlight.

Speaker 1 (01:28:23):
I think Noid was the highlight of Burn actually.
I think Noid's the highlight.

Speaker 3 (01:28:29):
You know what?
I'm going to nominate Noid forthe next Discord Dialogues man,
because Noid don't get enoughcredit out of you.
Shout out to Noid.

Speaker 1 (01:28:35):
That verse on Burn.
That's a bar seminar.
Let me tell you how it's goingdown.
The love me now.
They can't forget me now.

Speaker 2 (01:28:42):
Go away crazy on the free agents double CD.
Remember the free agents doubleCD.

Speaker 1 (01:28:46):
Yes, yeah, no, he got bar work.
No, bar work is high level.

Speaker 2 (01:28:53):
Yeah, yeah he definitely needs flowers, he
definitely needs flowers.

Speaker 1 (01:28:58):
Queens MC Supreme, you know what I'm saying.
Queens New.

Speaker 2 (01:29:01):
York.

Speaker 1 (01:29:01):
Mets signing Juan Soto.
Oh no, no, no, no.
You gotta suck at that, yourteam sucks.
Juan Soto's not gonna make itbetter.
Just stick the MC in.
Post a little viral vibe aboutthat.
Tomorrow team's sucking, notgoing to the World Series.
Couldn't beat the Dodgers,couldn't beat the Yankees with
Yankees, couldn't beat theDodgers with Juan Soto.
Ain't no New York team winningshit, sean.
But anyway, anotherconversation for another day.

(01:29:23):
Yeah, that's crazy, man.
You like how I did that.
You like how I snuck that in.
Purple.
Haze by Cam Purple.
Haze by Cam fellas, Lastclassic album discussion.
Then we need to talk about thisCam 50 interview which I really
really thoroughly enjoyed.
Highlights, purple Haze, for meare Kill a Cam and Get them
Girls.
Those were instant Kill a Camclassics for me.
Really dope project.

(01:29:45):
Megahertz did a lot of work onthis album, if memory serves.

Speaker 2 (01:29:50):
No doubt yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:29:53):
I love this album but I hollered at one of my homies
because his favorite rapper isCam.
He don't think Cam the best ofall time, but his favorite is
cam.
So I asked him you know, forthis segment around this era, um
the rockefeller days, whichalbum did he hold higher?
Purple haze or come home withme?
And he said that he likedpurple haze much better because

(01:30:18):
it's quintessential cam versuscome home with me.
You could tell it was more of aconcerted effort to integrate
him into the rock sound andeverything was going on with
them around that time.
But purple haze is more of acam album and then I kind of
feel what he was talking abouthe's right and and the beats are
better, but the songs aren'tbetter.

Speaker 1 (01:30:39):
The beats are better and he's better, but the songs
aren't better.

Speaker 2 (01:30:41):
The percussion on here is great.

Speaker 4 (01:30:44):
And I love Purple Haze you got to think about it.

Speaker 2 (01:30:46):
Purple Haze was actually written in 2001.
It was written around Come Home.
He just didn't release it untila couple of years later because
remember Purple Haze.
He asked you to put Purple Hazeon hold so the Dipset movement
can get off, because Dipset cameout in 03.

Speaker 3 (01:31:01):
That is right.
I forgot about that.
Yeah, you are right.

Speaker 1 (01:31:05):
When he said Poughkeepsie to Pepperdine, I
was told on Get Em Girls.
When he said Poughkeepsie toPepperdine, I was like I'm in.
I was like I'm in.
I was like I'm told.
I was like he put Poughkeepsieto Pepperdine in a bar bar work.
I don't care what the fuck he'stalking about at this point.

Speaker 3 (01:31:20):
Cam is another one who don't be talking about
nothing, sometimes with aself-love tale.

Speaker 1 (01:31:26):
I was rocking pink polos and you can ask people
about me.
I was rocking pink polos before.
It was a thing with Cam.
He definitely upped my antesome when I broke my pink polos
back out there.
Like you're trying to be likeCam, like who's been doing this?
I keep computers puking.
Don't get shot at that's what Ido to shoot.
I was down 40.
Now I'm up 50.

(01:31:46):
Buck, 50.
Buck quickly.
Who can fuck with me?
Killer, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:31:54):
Cam swaggy man Cam, one of the best All style points
.

Speaker 1 (01:31:59):
Charisma and style points on Purple Haze.
Is almost ODB level on PurpleHaze.
Is almost ODB level on PurpleHaze ODB level.

Speaker 2 (01:32:07):
Style points on Purple Haze People confuse that
computer's computing as if thatwas some corny shit.

Speaker 3 (01:32:13):
But Purple Haze Killer went crazy on Purple Haze
.

Speaker 2 (01:32:17):
Even Jewel.
Jewel set the album off afterKiller went to the intro and
then he ended the intro withnext up Santana and Jewel.
Jewel set the album off afterKiller Wings the intro and then
he ended the intro with Next UpSantana and Jewel came in right
after that joint and again Jewelwas.
I want to say this real quickso we can move into the K-15
point, because this bothers me alot, because New York had a

(01:32:38):
chance to wrap their arms aroundJewel.
Jewel should have been thetransition for New York hip-hop
during that era, because Jewelzwas the one he messed that up.
He messed that up he did he did,he did, it was self-inflicted.
They were beeping with so manypeople at the wrong time.
I mean True Life was beatingthem up and everything Shout out

(01:32:59):
to True Life.
True Life was beating them upand everything Shout out to True
Life.
True Life was on Jim Jones'head, man.
And you know, for me, queens,we were like yo, we don't mess
with you, know them guys likethat straight up because of you
know Bravehearts and Nas andDipset issues and things of that
nature.
So it was like yo, we're notmessing with them.
Harlem cats, man, they corny,mad corny, but corny, mad corny.
But at the same time they werea big piece to the movement

(01:33:23):
because in 03, when Dipset cameout, dipset really been planting
that flag for New York at thattime, along with 50 and G-Unit.
So you know again, jewel's hadthat opportunity.
If he would have get that rungoing off with Wayne, that would
have been a transitional momentfor New York hip-hop.
And we lost that moment, man,because the South was clicking

(01:33:45):
up when New York was at odds.
We were at odds so heavy.
Every barrel was beefing.
No rappers wanted tocollaborate and it was clear.

Speaker 1 (01:33:53):
You want to know what's crazy about that when
you're saying all that you knowthe main cats that used to get
played down here was Dipsetright I believe you.
Because this was the swag eraand Cam had the most swag of all
the New York rappers.
That includes 50.
It's like more cats down herefucked with Cam on a street
level than fucked with 50.

(01:34:13):
They fucked with 50 soundvocally but as far as the street
dudes down here, it's like itwas Cam who they gravitated
towards.
Range looked like Laffy Taffy.
It's like, oh no, that's howthey talk down here.

Speaker 3 (01:34:24):
Yeah, that's true, you're right.
Yeah, joel dropped the ball,but you can say the same thing
for Lloyd Banks too, around thatera.

Speaker 2 (01:34:33):
I don't think Lloyd had the panache in Calvin
Candy's voice, the panache thatJules had man.

Speaker 3 (01:34:43):
But he was a platinum artist.
They were supposed to be thenext up in that era.

Speaker 2 (01:34:46):
That was because of G-Unit, they just wanted it.
Everyone was platinum out ofG-Unit, off of that 50-cent run.
Everybody they were sneezing.
Yo.
What are the thoughts forPredicate Felon or whatever?
Yeah, yo, it went gold I think.
I think it went close toplatinum.

Speaker 3 (01:35:02):
It went close to platinum.
To me that was the best out ofall the G-Unit members outside
of 50.

Speaker 2 (01:35:07):
Damn Coop, the dog just took Coop's phone.
This dog was falling outtonight.
Coop's dog just attacked him.
Yo, we got some super chat.
Damn Coop, you good, the dogtook your phone.
No, no, she got a car.

Speaker 1 (01:35:23):
Look, she got a car now she don't know me.

Speaker 2 (01:35:27):
Who's that?
Who's that your daughter?

Speaker 1 (01:35:31):
Yeah, yeah, she don't know me no more, oh he said
your dog.

Speaker 3 (01:35:34):
He thought he said your daughter.
The phone from you.

Speaker 1 (01:35:38):
Oh man, punk-ass dog, look at me and this dog from
you.
Oh man, punk-ass dog, look atme and this dog.
These are first-world problems.
So I'm going to be thankfulthat I'm dealing with these
first-world problems.

Speaker 2 (01:35:53):
Your Mad Max is bugging man.
We got some Super Chats.
No, no, no.

Speaker 1 (01:35:57):
I see him, I see him.
Let's go ahead and get to thesePurple Haze.
Better than Ye albums, you guys.
Whoa, whoa, mad Max, mad Max,have you been drinking Moonshine
corn liquor, I think?

Speaker 2 (01:36:12):
Mad Max.
Same production level.
What is Mad Max from?

Speaker 1 (01:36:18):
CJ the Kid.
If Snoop were to die in 95, hewould be top 5 or 10.
Cj man whoa, that's heavy.
I have Snoop high, but no, cjthe Kid.
I'm a little worried.
It's not like you to talk likethat.
Have you been hanging out withMad Max?

Speaker 2 (01:36:39):
this is what I do with CJ.
Cj has a dark.
Is this what I do with CJ man?
This is what I do with CJ.
Cj has a dark.

Speaker 1 (01:36:43):
Is this what you do, within Discord With CJ?
Yeah, this is why I'm out.
It's a mental health choice byme.

Speaker 3 (01:36:49):
Thankfully for the hip-hop community, snoop is
alive and well and his albumdrops at midnight tonight.
Missionary.

Speaker 2 (01:36:56):
That's what CJ says.

Speaker 1 (01:37:00):
This album sound like some mid and not some.
That's the real problem.
Mad Max, with the 999 Superchat, cj, the kid Did not listen
to anything.
Mad Max Says moving forwardJuelz was on that jawbreak,
jawbreakers.
We're not reading anymore Ofthe super chat.
We're not reading anymore ofthe super chat.

(01:37:21):
We can't, we can't.
We're not reading anymore ofthe Super Chats.
We're not reading anymore ofthe Super Chats.
We can't, we can't.

Speaker 2 (01:37:27):
We're out.
Mad Max, we're out.
Mad Max must be from Astoriaman.
We're not, we're not.

Speaker 1 (01:37:35):
You started off the Super Chat with Jawbreaker
that's crazy With all thesethings we have going on.

Speaker 2 (01:37:40):
That is crazy, all these things we have going on.
That is crazy, all these thingswe have going on.

Speaker 1 (01:37:44):
He was more class clownish than can.
He was a bad rapper.
I like Jewel's, but come on, hewas preschool rhyming, it's
very disrespectful.

Speaker 2 (01:37:53):
He underachieved man.
Hold on, Hold on.

Speaker 1 (01:37:56):
Wayne pulled a lot of his style from that time, from
Jewel.
So what was Wayne doing?

Speaker 2 (01:38:04):
Jewel's.
They were supposed to do analbum.
I can't feel my face.

Speaker 3 (01:38:08):
I can't feel my face.
I feel like that's what Mad Maxis saying right now.

Speaker 1 (01:38:14):
Get out of my head AG .
I'm like that's probably whatMad Max and that fucking 8-Ball
sitting on the table whileyou're watching the show Mad Max
and that fucking 8-Ball sittingon the table while you're
watching the show Mad.
Max, like Tony Montana, mad Max.
Mad Max, take it from somebodythat has lived it.
Strippers and cocaine is notthe way to go, mad Max, there's
other ways to resolve theseissues.

Speaker 3 (01:38:35):
Okay, so 50 and Cam.

Speaker 1 (01:38:37):
Sorry, did I say too much.
Did I say too much?

Speaker 3 (01:38:40):
Cam interviewed 50 cents.

Speaker 1 (01:38:45):
Okay, I mean it fixed some of the issues, but it
didn't.
No, it does not.

Speaker 3 (01:38:50):
The thoughts abused by Tom Cooper are not the head
of hip-hop talks.

Speaker 2 (01:38:56):
I can't do this, man.
I can't do this anymore.

Speaker 3 (01:39:01):
Cam in 50.

Speaker 1 (01:39:03):
It's like 12 days of Christmas left.
Get nine Lords of Leaping andfucking, 10 ladies dancing and
fucking make this shit happen.

Speaker 2 (01:39:08):
Five golden rings, nigga.
This dude said last month aboutthe kids.
Like who said he for the kids?
Now he telling the kids to dococaine to go to the strip club.

Speaker 3 (01:39:16):
No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
So 50 don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:39:23):
So 50 and Cam.
Hopefully you don't have to gothrough that.
I'm just saying it wasn't allbad.

Speaker 2 (01:39:29):
It was all bad, it's mostly bad.
It's nothing good, right HE?
Nothing good coming out of thatI have nothing.

Speaker 3 (01:39:37):
I'm trying to talk about 50 and Cam.

Speaker 1 (01:39:38):
Yeah, let's get to the 50 and Cam interview.
So I thought Cam did a greatInterview with 50.
50 is one of our.
I try to find Somebody tocompare him to in terms of an
interview, but he might be hiphop's best Interview guys.

Speaker 3 (01:39:56):
Without question.
50 is.

Speaker 1 (01:40:00):
Hip hop's best interview, isn't he?

Speaker 3 (01:40:02):
Funny, very intellectual.
You know what I mean Likecharismatic, insightful
unfiltered, no holds barred.

Speaker 1 (01:40:11):
So I'm going to tell you what I realized.
The problem with him and Jaywas Jay was actually the best
interview until 50 came along,and that's some of the problem.
He didn't steal some of hisshine like musically and
record-wise, because Jay don'thave two diamond albums.
50 does, I think Jay kind ofawkward in interviews, though.
I mean not in a bad way.

Speaker 3 (01:40:33):
He has that dry humor , and you know what I mean, kind
of.

Speaker 2 (01:40:36):
Condescending.
I'm bigger than the interviewitself.

Speaker 3 (01:40:42):
You know, he'll get intellectual sometimes.
I think 50 is a betterinterviewer.

Speaker 1 (01:40:46):
No, what I'm asking you to do is see y'all are
thinking about modern day, jay.
I need you to think about 96 to2003, jay.
That guy gave a differentinterview he did yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:41:00):
I mean for that era.
Yeah, jay was probably the bestinterview, that's what I'm
saying.

Speaker 1 (01:41:04):
Until 50 came along, Jay was actually the best
interview to have.

Speaker 3 (01:41:08):
But 50 takes every box.
On an interview, though, he'svery good.

Speaker 1 (01:41:12):
So even when 50 was talking about Jay, I realized
it's like, hey, you want to knowwhat it's like.
This guy is just as charismaticas Jay and a little bit more
crazy and off the hinge and waymore fun to fucking talk to.
And I realized something cj issmart.
Jay sees that shit too, andthat's why jay don't like 50.

Speaker 3 (01:41:28):
Yeah, you know what I'm saying and another thing too
rap shit 50 can appeal to awider audience.
Even if you look at the musicthat 50 makes and you listen to
his interviews, he can go have a, you know, a great conversation
with, like uh, you know I'msaying, uh, I don't know uh,
martha stewart or whoever.
You know what I'm saying like,you know, for the, like the

(01:41:48):
white, you know I'm sayingmainstream audience and it'd be
very, you know, palatable forthem.

Speaker 1 (01:41:53):
You know, despite the music that he makes, you know
some cold shit that he said inthis interview was when he
talked about.
He was like my fans got moneynow.
And I'm thinking to myself whenhe said that I'm like nigga,
you went diamond 20 years agotalking about my fans got money
now.
Yeah, think about the businessmind and how that works.

(01:42:15):
He was like my, my fan base wasin the club.
He's like now my fan base is intheir 40s.
He's like they have becomesuccessful.
But he is talking about andhere's what people are missing
His fan base is different.
His first single is in the club.
He don't just got guys like meand you.

(01:42:39):
He got girls in London.
Yes, dudes in London, yes,dudes in Paris.
You get what I'm saying.
So when he is talking about hisfan base.
Being successful that's whatpeople are talking about when
they're talking about a hitrecord will change your life.
He has two Diamond albums buthe has a Diamond single in the

(01:43:00):
club.
Yes, it was everywhere.
Different fan base, differentfan base when you make that kind
of hit record and not to befunny.
That's why when he's saying onpiggy bank that nigga fat joe
thought lean back was in theclub, my shit sold 11 mil, shit
was a.
No, he's speaking to it's likeoh no I got fans for life off

(01:43:23):
this record that I can go andtour off of because I didn't
make a record.
I made the record that year.

Speaker 2 (01:43:29):
That's a travel record, man, yeah that's the
record that year.

Speaker 1 (01:43:33):
That's the record that year.
That is a hip-hop 50 record.
That's one of the best raprecords ever.
The impact of it is just toomonstrous.
How many diamond rap singles dowe have that are actual,
verifiable rap songs?
Guys, get what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:43:50):
Right.
No, you're right Right.

Speaker 1 (01:43:52):
Yeah.
So it's like when he's talkingand I'm hearing all of these
things, I'm like man, I'm likethis guy's a genius, yeah, and
he doesn't get enough credit.
Like we call nas a genius, wecall jay a genius, we call dre a
genius.
No, like he, he in that box,guys, like we like.

(01:44:14):
Too often I think people try toplace him outside of that box
because he's so unfiltered.
But he's a genius and like whenhe is talking it is.
I don't take notes on too manyinterviews anymore, guys.
It's the first time I've takennotes on an interview in a long
time.
It's like because of the stuffthat he was saying, I was like I
need to write that shit down.

Speaker 3 (01:44:33):
There you go, sean.
He drops jewels.
What I love about 50 interviewshe always makes outstanding
points but he'll frame it to youin a question, like you see
what I see, right, like you knowwhat I mean.
That's the way he'll, like youknow, frame what he's talking to
you about and he always makescrazy good points.
But you know, like Koop wassaying, the business talk.

(01:44:55):
I love to see how the rappersfrom our generations are in
their lives after rap you, youknow and the business talk that
50 and cam were having becausecam's a business now,
businessman now as well, and hedone, you know, uh, revamped
himself and the discussions thatthey were having.
It was really good to see andwe should be taking notes coop
and um, they were, they were, uh, their business acumen was just

(01:45:18):
really on display in thatinterview.
But the biggest takeaway for mewas it's good to see them
because they were clowning about, like when they were into it
with each other and they werebeefing and how you know, cam
was talking about how 50 movedduring the beef and all that and
they was laughing about it.
It's good to see stuff likethis years later, them just
chopping it up and laughingabout everything that happened

(01:45:40):
back then.

Speaker 1 (01:45:41):
So no, I love it.
This is what I mean.
People need to understand this.
Cameron and 50 are two of ourmore astute businessmen.

Speaker 2 (01:45:54):
Cam is a good businessman.

Speaker 1 (01:45:57):
Cam doesn't get enough credit for his astute
businessmen.

Speaker 3 (01:46:00):
If you don't know what type of businessman he is,
listen to him tell the story ofhow the verses with the locks
came about.

Speaker 1 (01:46:06):
Listen to that the verses with the locks in the
garden.
All that happened because ofCam Cam is the one that got
everybody paid Cam, made sureeverybody got money.
Cam made sure everybody ate.
So sometimes when you're dealingwith these guys that are
charismatic, that have had past,they have, you know, done

(01:46:27):
nefarious things and beenengaged in illegal activities.
They rap, which peoplesometimes don't take seriously
as a sport.
But to hear these men talkbusiness, talk, branding, talk,
marketing, talk equity, eventalking about like, one of the
biggest things Cam gave 50 propsfor is what he started off with
.
He's like man.
He's like how the fuck did youget 15 million dollars for a

(01:46:50):
residency in Vegas for six shows?
Think about that.
Do the math of six divided into15.
Fifty getting two point threemil a show in Vegas on a
residency.
Cam is looking at those numbersand it's like 2.3 mil a show.
He's like that's absurd for anigga who rap, right, and so he
wants 50 to explain to everybody, business wise.

(01:47:10):
How did you get to the point ofbeing able to make these things
happen?
These are the things we need tobe taking notes on.
We don't have to be taking, likeyou may or may not make in the
club Right, but as an artist, Ifound this conversation between
the two of them Cause I don'teven think it was an interview.
It was a conversation betweenthe two of them.

(01:47:31):
I found it to be so motivationaland inspirational.
Sean went when 50 seconds thisis the is the key to success it
put a battery in my back alittle bit.
I was like yep.
I was like cause you got tokeep going and keep being
consistently good to great at it.
Do it got to keep going andkeep being consistently good to
great at it.
Do it all the time and and youknow, and put in the work and
pay your dues and make the rightconnections and make the right

(01:47:53):
resources and make the rightdecisions.
But you have to be consistent.
Consistency is the key tosuccess.
They said so many things duringthat, during that conversation,
that I feel like, just as like,if you're an entrepreneur, if
you're a businessman, forget therap, forget the music, if you
just aspire to be great atwhatever it is.
This was a super enjoyableconversation and I love 50's

(01:48:15):
honesty.
I'm just going to call a spadea spade.
Jay's a fucking hater and 50,see, this is where I've been
hanging around Sean too much too, and 50 is really just speaking
about it, and this is what Imean about 50 being a genius as
a businessman is because 50knows that he has to still run
in so many circles where Jay isgoing to be around.
He won't just come out and callhim a fucking hater, like I

(01:48:37):
will.
He'll just show you.
He'll show you the hater brickroad.
He's like look at the haterbrick road this nigga be paving.

Speaker 3 (01:48:47):
When you refer to somebody as old boy, you know
there's some shade about to comeLike yeah, old boy.

Speaker 1 (01:48:52):
Hold on hold on.
Hold on.
Hold on, hold on.
At a nigga from SouthsideJamaica Queen saying old boy.

Speaker 2 (01:49:00):
It is bad.
Yo AG crazy, Because what I'vebeen telling you the whole time,
old boy ain't on.
Old boy yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:49:09):
And then Cam.
It's like when you know, youknow.
And Cam was like.
For those who don't know, he'stalking about Jay-Z Right and
Cam knew immediately who he wastalking about.
Right, because Cam's a stupidbusinessman too.

Speaker 1 (01:49:27):
He's like what you're talking about, because think
about this 50 said somethingduring the interview and he was
actually talking about Cam.
He's like you know.
I've talked to people that havedone business with him and I've
heard but that was the funny.
I'm like the nigga you talkingto right now.
That told you stuff.
What are you talking?

Speaker 3 (01:49:40):
about.
But that's the funny part ofthe dichotomy, because they used
to be enemies but now they cool, but they still got somewhat of
a common enemy in a way, soit's like they can clown about
it.

Speaker 1 (01:49:52):
Hey, he didn't make a lot of friends to get to where
he got.

Speaker 2 (01:49:58):
But he also didn't shit on people to get to where
he got.
Neither, to be honest, Becauseif you listen to what he really
said, he asked a lot ofquestions when he's actually
doing business, and that's oneof the things you have to always
understand.
You can't jump to the firstsituation that looks good and
when it goes again, shout out to50.
We, my team I don't want to gointo details of what I do for a

(01:50:21):
living or whatever, but my team,my Louisiana team.
Yeah, I got my team.
He's like Tommy from Martin.

Speaker 1 (01:50:31):
He's Tommy from Martin.
We've been trying to figure outfor six months what the fuck
Sean did.

Speaker 3 (01:50:37):
Yeah, that's great, that's a great thing, Hiring a
private investigator, that'sgreat.

Speaker 2 (01:50:45):
I'm not taking any resumes, but we did some site
surveying over in Shreveport.
Because you know when he didthat studio thing over there,
that whole land over there wasbad.
It was really bad land overthere and he took that and
flipped it and a lot of peoplein Shreveport and Alexandria,

(01:51:06):
louisiana, shout out to the teamover there West Monroe, all of
that.
You know that's casino area aswell.
So there's a lot of money thatwas just sitting and it's on a
border getting into Texas andthere's a lot of old money that
was just sitting there and noone wanted that property and he
took it Go ahead.

Speaker 1 (01:51:27):
No, no, no.
Finish that thought.

Speaker 2 (01:51:31):
We were looking at that property like somebody
needed to take that.
We heard that he put in thelicenses and everything.
We knew how it was going tochange the economy over there.
We started having someconversations around how it was
going to impact the businessesover there.
Just that quick, because 50went over there, the businesses
in that entire northern part ofLouisiana.
It boomed over 400 basis pointswithin two weeks just because

(01:51:55):
he made a surge over there.
He got up a dirt cheap businessmove.

Speaker 1 (01:51:59):
So this is what I mean when I say that there are
so many jewels in this interview.
First of all, I love thatyou're breaking down because
I'll just say Sean does have areal job.
Guys like I do know what seanactually does.
That is just.
That is just a joke, becauseyou know how we do they be like
you know.

Speaker 3 (01:52:15):
You know this nigga cool call sean out like this but
this is what I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:52:25):
So if you're a businessman and this is what I
mean there are jewels.
When cam asked him why he choseshreveport, the first thing he
said he said it was available.
Yes, ready to go has been.
You're talking.
You're talking about somebodywith enough money to build
something from scratch, and hetook what was available.

(01:52:46):
Are we paying attention.
As young black entrepreneurs,we're just paying attention.

Speaker 3 (01:52:53):
Shout out to Cam for asking that as a question.
Knowing the right questions toask, that's what I mean about
astute businessmen talking toastute businessmen these guys
might be, rappers.

Speaker 1 (01:53:02):
This was an astute business conversation between
two highly intelligent, astutebusinessmen who just so happen
to be great rappers.
They just so happen to be greatrappers.
That was a businessconversation.
When cam is asking him thatquestion, he is feeding that
jewel to.
He is feeding that.
He's feeding the jewel to himfor 50 to feed a jewel back.

(01:53:23):
This is the.
This is.
This is a high level businessconversation and dialogue that
is being had in plain sight infront of your face.
This is one of those momentswhere we, instead of talking
like we can laugh and we canjoke, but we do need to
highlight the business acumen ofthese men.
In times like this, it'd belike no, no, no, you want to
learn something about business.
You should actually go watchthis 50 and Cam interview.

(01:53:45):
You will learn something.
I'm 43 years old.
I took notes from this interviewbecause I was like yep, I was
like consistency is the key tosuccess.
I'm like, oh, you do need torun it like this.
I'm like 2.3 million dollarsfor six days.
I'm like what is this thingdoing in vegas?
Like how is he writing some ofthis stuff off?
You know, I mean he in and out,because some of the shows fall
this year and next year.

(01:54:06):
So, tax wise, he is split it up.
Let's talk about that businesswise, what that means, because
what he has done is like oh, isit 15 million dollars?
Yeah, but it's essentiallyseven point five one year and
seven point five another year.
He is broken it up.
Tax wise, he's a genius.

Speaker 3 (01:54:22):
Yeah, let's see.
That's the thing.
Like you said, we should betalking about that, which we are
, but other places will take theviral clip.
This is what Cam and 50 thinkabout the Drake and Kendrick
beat.
So what?
That's not the thing to pullfrom that interview.

Speaker 1 (01:54:38):
I don't really care what them niggas think about the
Drake and Kendrick beat.

Speaker 3 (01:54:40):
Right, but that's what will get pulled from the
interview.
Will get pulled from theinterview that nobody cares
about the meat and potatoes ofit.

Speaker 2 (01:54:47):
Right, but that's how we do it.
You know, you guys heard ofDuck Dynasty.
Right, Y'all heard of DuckDynasty that show.
Unfortunately.

Speaker 3 (01:54:56):
Yeah, I see a lot of that.

Speaker 2 (01:54:58):
Like that but.

Speaker 3 (01:54:59):
Duck Dynasty has.

Speaker 2 (01:55:02):
Of course I know West Virginia has it.
Duck Dynasty has theirheadquarters adjacent to its 50
studios.
It's really like 50 miles apartfrom one another and one of my
guys who worked in the financearea he's like yo man.
We got to talk to them becausethey're about to see selling
duck call shirts and duck callall that stuff over there and

(01:55:30):
they saw an increase of upliftas well.
So what they say, the oldsaying, is all of the you know,
when the tide rises, all theship rises or whatever.
That's what he did, just bycoming into the market, having a
concert and taking care of thepeople.
Everybody thrived over there.
So shout out to people Pleaseget the money yeah but the
interview was top tier.

Speaker 3 (01:55:51):
Like I said, former rivals having that conversation
still sharpens still.
And what's our quote we likefrom Ultron Sean?
Keep your friends rich and yourenemies rich, and then you can
tell which is which.
It seems like 50 lives by thatcode, don't it?

Speaker 1 (01:56:11):
I mean, I even like, and real quick, and we can slide
to the Doki Tiny desk.
I like how he talked about verybriefly and very sincerely.
He's like well, I've beentalking shit about this nigga
Puff because we're incompetition in the spirit

(01:56:31):
business, but as far as all thatother stuff goes, you know, did
you hear what he said?
Yep, yeah, people need to beyes that's what I'm talking
about.

Speaker 2 (01:56:44):
It's like he's like now that we done joking about,
it's like listen to what the fanis actually saying.

Speaker 1 (01:56:47):
He's like, now that we done joking on Twitter, he's
like yo, but for real, he's like, you know, nigga kind of put
himself in position for that tohappen.
I don't play that type of shit.
Yeah, way from me.
And he ain't even trying totalk about it too heavy.
He's like no, no, no, they'renot about to round up and gang
up on me next, but he did speakto the fact that he was like yo.
He was like.
I think him.

(01:57:08):
Listen when he's saying oh no,they treated me differently when
I owned the shit.
When he said that, I was likeand there it go.
That was the jewel where he'sletting you know.
It's like no, it's differentfor us.
I have to move different nowwith them, because now I own

(01:57:28):
stuff and now, because I ownstuff, I'm actually a threat to
their bottom line.
That's why he kept bringing upthe $3 billion.
He's like no, no, no.
He's like guys like me and Puffand Jay.
We're viable threats to theirbottom line.
They'll do anything to us, iswhat he is saying.

Speaker 3 (01:57:43):
Yep, to us is what he is saying.
Another one off the board.

Speaker 1 (01:57:47):
So if you did anything, what he is saying is
oh, no, no, no.
He's like when Puff startedaffecting a $3 billion business,
those people that are involvedwith that $3 billion business is
like hey, because they've beenwatching this guy dancing in the
videos this whole time.
He started affecting that $3billion business and that's when

(01:58:10):
those people be like hold on.
It's like what do you got goingon?

Speaker 3 (01:58:14):
Yeah, we all blow the whistle on you.

Speaker 1 (01:58:18):
It's funny.
I have some political lobbyistfriends and I just happened to
went to school with somebodythat works at the FBI.
My wife knows somebody thatworks at the CIA.
You see how this shit start.
That's how this shit starthappening.
Same thing with Bill Cosby.
Didn't nobody give no fuckabout Bill Cosby putting no
pills in this shit, which hebeen doing since the 60s?
That motherfucker tried to buya network.
When he tried to buy a network,yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:58:42):
But you can't be a nasty nigga out there doing that
wild shit.
You can't be a nasty nigga outthere doing that wild shit.
It's like you know you can'tset yourself up for it.
I'm not excusing the wild shit.

Speaker 1 (01:58:52):
Bill Cosby and Puffs need to understand.
That's for Rick James, it's notfor you.

Speaker 3 (01:58:57):
Yo rest in peace, rick.

Speaker 2 (01:58:58):
Yeah the legend.

Speaker 1 (01:59:00):
It's not for you.
Rick will tell you.
It's like a pimple bitch realquick.
Rick will tell you.
Not can tell you it's like apimple bitch real quick.
Rick will tell you not for youback in the 80s, but but, but,
but.
All just terrible.
But all jokes aside, but alljokes aside, this is the plight
of being super successful andbeing black and american.
That's why I like how 50stalking and that's what people
really need to pay attention toit's like you have to be very,

(01:59:22):
very careful what you ask forand you have to, and you have to
.
Kind of stay in the clear.

Speaker 3 (01:59:28):
Yeah, because he's giving a cautionary tale with it
and you know he does thatveiled in.
That's why it's a greatinterview.
He does it veiled in comedy.
You know inspirational businesstalk and all of it.
But like 50 men on theinterview checks every box man.
He does Great interview.
50 man on the interview checksevery box man.

Speaker 1 (01:59:45):
He does Great interview.
I want to tell people it's theholidays, Support black business
.
Trio Gold Shop, Go totriogoldshopcom.
I got me a little Franco, alittle Cuban for my man.
We're supporting it here on HipHop Talks.

Speaker 3 (02:00:02):
We'll put the link in the comment section of the
video, because people wereasking for that last time.

Speaker 1 (02:00:07):
I'm about to throw the link up in there.
We're about to probably shoot alittle ad in the video that
we're going to post up soon.
I just didn't have time thisweek, but I wanted to make sure
we support black business,especially during holidays.
I actually got like a 70% offsale going on online.
I don't know because I alreadygot my jewels.
For all you New York Met fans,for all the New York Met fans in
New York, you should go get yousome jewelry on Triogoldshopcom

(02:00:27):
, because you guys won't bewearing any jewelry anytime soon
, any goddamn way.
Even though you just spentalmost a billion dollars on a
nigga, that's not about to winyou anything.
So, since you're not going towin any rings definitely not
winning any rings in the Bravesdivision he's not even the best
player in the division we have abest player in the Braves
division.

Speaker 2 (02:00:44):
He's not even the best player in the division we
have a best player.

Speaker 1 (02:00:46):
That's Ronald Acuna Jr.
Ronald Acuna Jr has somethingthat he doesn't have it's called
an MVP award.
But for all of you Queens getthe money because you won't be
getting no rings.
You can get some gold fromTrioshGoalshopcom, because you
won't be getting anychampionship rings.
Do we have any super chats?

Speaker 2 (02:01:05):
Yes, we do getting any championship rings.

Speaker 1 (02:01:06):
Do we have any super chats?
Yes, yes, okay, absolutely,absolutely.
I would like to get to thesesuper checks, definitely not
going back to that jawbreakerthing.
Cj, the kid with the $5 superchat.
You guys feel bad for jewelsand banks, but J hood was the
next young one out of the blockwith more info out.
They never gave him a chance todrop.
J hood's actually from NorthCarolina and J-Hood never really

(02:01:30):
proved himself to be asongmaker enough, so I don't
know how fair that is to theother guys, right?
If I'm not mistaken, j-hoodmight be from Fayetteville,
where Cole is from.
He might be from the NOM,because I feel like he came from
the military base.
Yeah, he's from the NOM, if I'mnot mistaken, originally.
I don't know how you're inthere for the NOM and Yonkers, I
don't know how that worksexactly.
Cj the Kid with the $10 SuperChat Nah, it's not Mad Max.

(02:01:52):
I'm just tired of being sopolitical correct with all these
opinions, so I'm just voicinghow I feel after letting these
opinions slide like I agree withthem.
Still all love, ah, look at ofhis own CJ the Kid.
You two have been hangingaround with Sean too damn much,
sean you're a bad inch for us.

Speaker 2 (02:02:07):
CJ the Kid with the $5 Super Chat.

Speaker 1 (02:02:09):
Super Chat was a question, not a statement.
You read that wrong.
Whoa CJ.

Speaker 3 (02:02:15):
You have been hanging out with Mad Max there you go
CJ.

Speaker 1 (02:02:17):
That's it for me.
Guys, too much money for metonight.

Speaker 3 (02:02:20):
Hey yo, we appreciate the money though Shout out to
CJ.
Money though shout out to cjman, yeah, we're gonna, yeah,
you gotta, we gotta do something.
Cj, yeah, cj, cj man, cj.
Stay active in the discord, manshout out to cj.

Speaker 1 (02:02:33):
I do want all of our top super chatters to know we
are currently coming up with aum program, an idea or something
of sorts, to thank you for, youknow, for the people that have
really supported us this year.
That is something that we havetalked about behind the scenes
and are working on.
It's not all bah humbug overhere at Hip Hop Talks, just with

(02:02:55):
Sean, okay.

Speaker 2 (02:02:59):
Someone autographed a sticky note Autographed.

Speaker 1 (02:03:02):
Autographed sticky note is nasty work.

Speaker 3 (02:03:06):
Let's go to Doty Tiny .
Doty Tiny desk fellas you knowwhat, though nah, this is a
moment you know what this niggaSean did.
He was looked out when thesentence starts off.

Speaker 1 (02:03:21):
Do you know what this nigga?

Speaker 3 (02:03:22):
I just remember that, sean, because he said it,
because he did look out.
He sent me some of you knowwhat I'm saying.
He did look out, he sent mesome of the you know what I'm
saying 50th anniversary of theHennessy Like.
Last year you know what I'msaying Because I was like yo, I
need one of them.
Bottles they were sold outeverywhere Sent me a bottle, you
know what I'm saying.
And a woo hat you know what I'msaying, my dog, but it was a

(02:03:43):
sticky note in the package.
That said to my biggest fan,sean, I appreciate my fan and
Coop.
I got one for you too, I can'tship them.

Speaker 2 (02:03:55):
I got one for you too , Coop this is the 9th, 50th.

Speaker 3 (02:04:05):
He sent me that about a year ago, man with his
autograph on a sticky note Withyour autograph.
Yeah, it said that to yourbiggest fan.

Speaker 1 (02:04:15):
He called me his biggest fan Is that a Hennessy
parody.

Speaker 2 (02:04:21):
This is the Nas Hennessy BSOP, signed, and
everything I got more for youtoo.
A signed one.
Yeah, I just couldn't.
I can't mail it.
What did I?

Speaker 1 (02:04:30):
do I want to know what I did to be deserving of
such an honor?
Sean, absolutely nothing.
Right, speaking of nothing,don't?

Speaker 3 (02:04:42):
want anything from you.

Speaker 1 (02:04:43):
You can keep your bottle with your crappy
signature.

Speaker 2 (02:04:45):
I got something else for y'all.
I got to send it, though Acrappy bottle with your crappy
signature.

Speaker 3 (02:04:50):
All right, and this is not an ad.
Youtube is not an ad, so don'tdemonetize it.

Speaker 2 (02:04:56):
It's not an ad, so don't monetize off of that
Limited edition.

Speaker 3 (02:05:01):
That just triggered a story like where you said
autograph, a sticky note.
I was like this dude had thegall to send me an autograph,
sticky note.

Speaker 1 (02:05:07):
Is the Hennessy bottle worth some money online,
like with or without yoursignature?
I know the signature mightinflate the price.

Speaker 3 (02:05:14):
Hey Sean, don't send him nothing.
Coop gonna hock it.
He gonna hock them chains, hegonna hock the bottle.
He gonna give it everythingLike nah don't say Coop.

Speaker 1 (02:05:29):
nah, I came from I almost sold one of these chains
today and he didn't lie YoCoop's selling the chains.
I don't even wear jewels likethat anymore.

Speaker 4 (02:05:38):
He's like yo Coop.
How much for the chain I waslike yo.

Speaker 1 (02:05:41):
I was like yo I'm gonna pay the money I'm gonna
give you two racks.
He's like I'm not giving youtwo racks right now.
I'm like don't ask for thefucking chain then.

Speaker 2 (02:05:48):
You just did the ad.
Yo, man, it's AG's fault.

Speaker 1 (02:05:56):
Everything is for sale.
Ask these hoes in Atlanta.

Speaker 2 (02:06:00):
Yo Coop's selling chains to get hoes in Atlanta.

Speaker 3 (02:06:03):
It's crazy Coop opened up his jacket, he got 22
more.

Speaker 2 (02:06:07):
He's like I have to watch this.
I'm coming to America.

Speaker 1 (02:06:12):
He's like got the new blow dryer.

Speaker 3 (02:06:18):
Check it out Yo we got to go to the next topic.

Speaker 1 (02:06:23):
We got to get out of here.
Dolce Tiny Desk guys, what didyou think about the Dolce Tiny
Desk?

Speaker 2 (02:06:28):
Yo, y'all handle that .
I'm about to go into chat.

Speaker 3 (02:06:32):
One thing I'll say about Dolce man she's a bonafide
star, she is a star.

Speaker 1 (02:06:37):
Okay, I'm glad you said that.

Speaker 3 (02:06:40):
She is a star.
I enjoyed the Tiny Desk.
If you haven't tapped into it,tap into it Because I mean she
put out a really dope album thisyear but I didn't really know
she had that much star poweruntil I seen this Tiny Desk
performance.
She has a lot.

Speaker 1 (02:06:56):
I didn't either, ag.
This was one of those things Irealized.
First of all, I can hear theNicki and the Kendrick influence
yes, hear the Nikki and theKendrick influence yes.
And if you're going to pick,pick from the best and
stylistically didn't feel likeshe missed a beat, and those are
two people.
Stylistically, in terms ofbeing able to emulate and copy

(02:07:17):
and pattern yourself after thatalone is hard to do and I'm with
you, ag, she's a star.
This is one of those thingsthat made me more excited about
what she has next than what Ijust heard, and what I just
heard I thought was one of thebest five rap albums I've heard
this year, maybe definitely top10 oh, yeah, for sure.

Speaker 3 (02:07:39):
And before we went on live they were doing the uh tde
um christmas, like you know,fundraiser benefit concert in
Watts and I'm gonna go back andcheck out a streamer because I
did want to see her set, youknow, because I was already a
fan from this new album, but youknow, the Tiny Desk really
solidified it for me, like youknow what I mean, because being

(02:08:02):
a great artist in and of itselfis one thing, but being able to
translate that in a performancetakes you to the next level.
She got all the things thatmake a great artist and I think
she's going to definitely goplaces.

Speaker 1 (02:08:20):
I agree, man, I was super impressed, was super
entertained.
She's super talented.
She's going places.
She is so versatile like akendrick that it makes me
excited about what she is goingto do next.
Like a kendrick I'll neverforget.
Like the kendrick moment for me, where I became a fan.

(02:08:42):
I woke up one morning and I wasgetting out the shower and my
ex-wife my daughter's motherliterally is coming and grabbing
me out the shower in themorning.
I like it quiet in the morning.
Ag, I don't like to talk, Idon't like to do anything.
She's yelling my name.
She's like Armand.
She's like you got to get outof here.

(02:09:03):
She's like you got to hear this, I'm get out of here.
She's like you got to hear this.
I'm running off.
I'm like what the fuck is this?
She's like it's this newKendrick and I'm like I'm
listening to it and it's sheNeeds Me by Kendrick Lamar on
MTV Jammed.
And I remember saying to myselfthis guy can do anything and
I'm excited about whatever it isthat he's about to do next.
I got that feeling again when Iwatched this tiny dex.

(02:09:25):
It was the same feeling when myex-wife pulled me out the shower
to see the she needs me videofor the first time, because I
hadn't heard the record and itwas like one of those things I
was like, oh man, I was like,man, this guy can do everything,
because that was like she needsme is the theme of love songs
that he has used ever since,like the song love.
I can go to the song love onbam and I can hear the she Needs

(02:09:45):
Me in it.
That's that do everything.
That I'm talking about, whereit's like oh no.
People are looking at the songLove and Royalty with Rihanna
like oh no, no, no, he beenknown how to do that.

Speaker 3 (02:09:56):
Right right.
Here's the crazy part it'scoming from out of the same camp
.
That's the wild part.

Speaker 1 (02:10:10):
Well, that's, that's the well, that's well.
That's why I'm um using thekendrick analysis in comparison
as well.
It's not only appropriate, butit's also within the camp, so I
can see where some of theinspiration is.

Speaker 3 (02:10:15):
I just thought about this real quick.
Do you think that you know wetalked about dreamville earlier
and then you know we're talkingabout tde now and you look at,
like them with sys and stuff, isthat the last two great places
that had artists' development?

Speaker 1 (02:10:30):
Actual A&R work that I know of.
Yes, and also, too, you can seewhat Top saw in Dolce.
He saw Kendrick.
Yes, he's like, oh no, this islike seeing Dot again.
She's not going to be Dotthat's the highest level, but I
see what he sees.
And's not going to be Dotthat's the highest level, but I
see what he sees and she's goingto be a star in this game and a

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force to be reckoned with.

Speaker 3 (02:10:52):
She's very exciting to watch If you're thinking that
works.

Speaker 1 (02:10:56):
I'm excited about what she was going to do next
because she has the agility,much like Kendrick, to take it
really where she chooses to takeit.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:11:05):
If y'all haven't seen it, tap into that.

Speaker 1 (02:11:08):
Let's see if she has a bad girl.
Mad city for Florida, liketucked in somewhere.
You know what I'm saying, right, right, yeah, that's what it's
about.
Is Sean going back, or are weactually going to have a strong
finish to our show, since he'snot going to?

Speaker 3 (02:11:28):
Before we get into the oh, there you go.

Speaker 2 (02:11:33):
I'm putting links out there.
That's all.
Y'all handle y'all business.
I'll be back.

Speaker 3 (02:11:39):
Before we shift into the main topic.
The main subject topic, sincewe was talking about Kendrick.
While we wait on Sean, we canslide to the.
You brought up Kendrick.
I want to know.
You know where the NFL standson everything?
And are they Switzerland in thewhole beef?
Because it looked like theywere siding with Kendrick with

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announcing him to perform theSuper Bowl, but we found out,
you know, a couple days ago thatthey're also in partnership
with OVO.
They're doing a line of jacketsthat release tomorrow, I
believe in partnership with OVO.
So are they Switzerland?
Are they neutral in the beef?

Speaker 1 (02:12:20):
On a personal note, I would like the record to show
that you're partnering with theNFL.
And I haven't got my fuckingjacket.

Speaker 3 (02:12:29):
Oh, are you still asking for the butter soft
leather?

Speaker 1 (02:12:34):
White leather Speaking of Rick James.
Rick James, cocaine leather,you're partnering with the NFL.
Look here.
Look here partnering with theNFL, look here.
What you're not about to do islet this fool ride on me on the

(02:12:55):
Super Bowl stage and then mepumping my jackets out.
At the same time, they getmoney from both sides.
The NFL knows it has the power.
They are the Corleone family.
Right now they are pretty muchsaying look here, we can shoot
you in the eye while you're atthe barbershop, while we're at
the christening you can get.
With this program, kendrick,you're going to perform Drake,

(02:13:16):
we're selling your jacket.
Everybody wins.
But I would say no.
If I was both of them, I'd makethem choose.

Speaker 3 (02:13:22):
But you would.
You want to know what be theultimate petty move and would be
fire at the same time, as ifkendrick performed in one of
those jackets.
That would be insane that'd becrazy you're welcome to use that
idea, kendrick, you know whatI'm just saying, please don't
definitely need to edit that out.

Speaker 1 (02:13:43):
Andrew, take that part of the show out.
I got a devious mind so I'vebeen telling y'all.
So definitely need to edit thatout.
Andrew, take that part of theshow out Expeditiously.
I don't want to give this niggaany ideas.

Speaker 3 (02:13:48):
I got a devious mind, so I've been telling y'all
right this whole time.
I've been petty for this long.

Speaker 1 (02:13:56):
I don't see any reason to stop now.
I've been petty for this long.
I might as well keep this trainrolling.
We're going to keep this trainrolling, and we're going to keep
this train rolling with ourlast segment official segment,
but not really a fun segment andthat is some of the allegations
that we knew were going to bewavered down against the man

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that bears your likeness, Sean,and that is one Sean Carter,
Jay-Z.
How did you do that?
Yeah, yeah, no, no, no, Just alittle friendly reminder for him
.
It's your namesake.

Speaker 2 (02:14:26):
That is crazy, that is nasty.

Speaker 1 (02:14:30):
I mean Sean, you share the same name and petty
nature, so why don't you explainto me some of what you think is
going?

Speaker 2 (02:14:40):
on.
It's nasty.
I don't have a lot of opinionon it.
You know, we got to see whathappens.
We got to see how this thingplay out.
Anytime you see allegationslike this, they are serious.
I don't.
I don't.
I don't lean into the sidewhere people are hoping that

(02:15:00):
these allegations are true,because I don't wish that on
anybody.
I pray that they're not true.
If they are, then I hopejustice finds him, but at the
same time, I'm not a judge, I'mnot a juror that executed.
I'm not a lawyer, attorney, anyof that.
It's unfortunate that thishappened.

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We've heard stories in the past.
We've heard mumblers in thepast.
Stories in the past before amoment is in the past.
Unfortunate situations likethis, when they start getting
legs to start getting legs realquick, because then you start
other stuff come out of there.
You have people talking, youhave people creating more
allegations, you have otherthings started coming out and,
um, we just look, guys, we cansay what we want to say about
puffy um, but the bad boy erawas very important to hip hop

(02:15:46):
and he was at the front of that,and now he's where he's at
Right.
We've lost too many of our Ourheroes, if you will in
situations like this, whetherit's good, bad or indifferent or
whatever the case may be, orindifferent or whatever the case
may be, and there's nothing totake lightly and there's nothing

(02:16:11):
to be even jumping up in joyfor, because it dings our
culture of hip hop, and we allhear people in the chat.
We're all part of the cultureof hip hop.
Whether we're on the spotlightsor we're in the game, we're
still part of hip hop andanything like this.
It hurts us as a hip hopcommunity.
It hurts us as a culture,because other things have
happened to others, but less ofyou, and they're still running

(02:16:31):
free.
Some of them are even stillmaking money and still doing
things that they've been doingbefore, and everyone goes after
them.
Anytime one of our names are putinto the news, it gets
overstated, it gets bloviatedand then the chat rooms start
going crazy and everythingstarts happening.
And Jay is no different fromthat.

(02:16:52):
Jay is no different from that.
So I pray that theseallegations aren't true.
I pray that things work out theway it's supposed to work out
and justice will prevail.
So that's all I really have onit.

Speaker 3 (02:17:06):
AG what you got to say about the matter um, I
couldn't have said it betterthan what sean did.
Sean, you know, that was, thatwas said.
You know, damn near flawlessly.
Um, I'm gonna tread lightly,like you said.
You know, like sean said, wedon't know, we have to see how
this all plays out.
But, um, you know, and twitterand all that stuff is gonna have
the jokes.
But one thing I don't like tosee, and sean alluded to.
But you know, and Twitter andall that stuff is going to have

(02:17:26):
the jokes.
But one thing I don't like tosee and Sean alluded to this is
you know, if you don't likeJay-Z as a rapper, as a person
or what have you to, you know,pray on his downfall.
That the allegations are true.
I think is nasty work.
Like Sean said, if theallegations are true, then you

(02:17:48):
know what I'm saying.
Justice needs to be handled.
But if you just don't like hismusic or your favorite rapper is
, you know, had a problem withJay or whatever, to hope that
this is true is meaning that youhope that somebody was
victimized and I just thinkthat's nasty work.
That's very tone deaf.

(02:18:09):
And you know, the um allegedvictim in question is um, a
third, you know, at the time wassupposedly a 13 year old girl,
and I have a 13 year olddaughter and you know, just to
hope that something like thatwould be true so you could say,
oh, I told you about that guy.

(02:18:29):
It's crazy because I don't evenlike to imagine stuff like that
when it comes to you know whatcould happen to my seed, because
you know I ain't even going tosay on camera what I would do.
Let's just put it like that.
But yeah, I just think it'sreal nasty.
And Sean alluded to the factalso that you know, as a culture

(02:18:52):
, you know we lose, and I don'twant to necessarily call them
heroes, because you knowsometimes we put people on too
high a pedestal, right, and then, you know, just to see them
fall down, you know, on theirown sword, or be knocked off.
But I think that you know wekeep knocking pieces off the

(02:19:13):
board for our culture.
So if you're hoping thatsomething like that is true,
just to say, well, I don't likethat person.
The footprint that that personhad in the culture was a major
footprint and we're losing moreof those by the day.
So that's not something I hopefor.
You know what I mean, becausewe can't hold our culture up

(02:19:34):
high and look to it and says, yo, this is somebody who really
made an impact and was strong inour culture, if it has that
negative stain on that.
So for the people out therethat's hoping this is true on
the merit, that yo, I just don'tlike his raps or I don't like
whatever.
I don't think that's the rightway to go about it.
But if it is, you know I'msaying may justice be served and

(02:19:56):
you know things handledaccordingly.
But you know, just be carefulwhat you wish for.
Be careful what you are blindlydefending as well.
Be careful what you are blindlydefending as well.
You know those people out therewho don't know they or know the
victim or anything, and kind ofblindly defend one side because
they have their allegiances.
I just caution you against thatbecause it might be a bad look

(02:20:17):
because whichever the side ofthe fence this lands on, you
know everything's.
You know on social media youcan't get rid of it, and on tape
and people can bring it backand throw it in your face and
then if it was proved that thatperson did some nasty stuff,
then you was left defending them.
So you know, just be just becareful out there, yo.
That's all I got to say.

Speaker 1 (02:20:40):
I will say this, and I'm not joking when I say this I
do feel like the biggestadvantage that has been handed
to him in this situation is thefact that they did it to Puff
first.
So I feel like Jay is a veryastute and keen man and always
has been A very observant manand always has been, and I feel
like as soon as all this stuffstarted happening to Puff, he

(02:21:00):
went and lawyered all the way upand discussed all the possible
play out scenarios and discussall the possible play-out
scenarios.
He is probably beinginterrogated by a professional
lawyer team the likes that guyslike you and I will never see
all ready to prepare him forthis.
These types of allegations arethe type of allegations that

(02:21:23):
trouble me about Black culture,because you know, quite frankly,
the way oppression works is isthat what's been inflicted upon
us is often what we perpetrateonto others, and our oppressors
are aware of that.
And so the raping of a 13 yearold girl, you know, has a lot of

(02:21:48):
um of undertones to me that areracially driven.
To drive a point home when aman is supposed to be innocent
until proven guilty, likethey're not just making it seem
like a crime, it becomesoffensive and obscene and
malicious and awful anddegrading when it becomes a

(02:22:09):
13-year-old.
A 13-year-old and a 17-year-oldis different in the psyche of
people, and so there issomething about this that makes
me uncomfortable in terms of howquickly these allegations are
being levied.
The fact that a 13-year oldgirl is being attached to it Now
, when Elvis and Jerry Lee Lewiswant to fucking fuck the shit

(02:22:33):
out of and marry a 13 year oldgirl, is not a problem for these
white people, but that isanother conversation for another
day.
We can stick to the allegationsat hand.
I just think that it's going tobe very, very hard to prove
these charges.
Jay is and listen to what I'mabout to say.
For me, this isn't even aboutinnocent or guilty.
You have people that aredefinitely trying to make him

(02:22:55):
look guilty, whether he isinnocent or not.
This is about how smart Jay hasalways been, and I don't think
Jay has ever been the type of aguy because of the life that he
lived before he did legally rap,where you're really just going
to have any smoking gun or anyreally evidence to prove this
stuff.
He doesn't strike me as thatguy.

(02:23:15):
He doesn't strike me as looselike Puff does, quite frankly,
and I don't mean that in apromiscuous way, I mean that in
the hustler's way, jay strikesme as a hustler's hustler, where
Jay won't smoke weed about theparanoia, about the shit that
he's done in the streets.
You think they got some footageor some sort of recording.
No, it's just like that doesn'tfit with the whole archetype

(02:23:39):
and the motif that got him here.
Anyway, he already had to avoida lot of this stuff on a lower
level to get here, and so I justdon't think that for these
allegations, I don't think thatthere's going to be enough proof
to prove anything because ofwho jay is.
So, let's say, even if he diddo this, I don't think the proof
would be anywhere about thehustler that he is, about the

(02:24:00):
life that he really led and theway that he lived and how he
thought before all of thishappened anyway.
Because when you try to takeeverybody, when you try to take
everybody and everything fromsomebody, well, they're going to
revert back to who theyoriginally were and who they
originally were, type ofmotherfucker who never talked to
you, tell you shit, do shit.
Where the footage?

(02:24:20):
At when?
the eyewitness at and thelawyers oh, the lawyers,
potentially can have a field daywith this unless they can
provide some corroborativeevidence that is substantial, as
in do you have him in the sameplace, in the same space and by
same place and space?
Do you have him in the samedomicile of this woman?
How long there is a such thingin a case as a reasonable time

(02:24:43):
continuum?
Do you have him in the sameroom For what length of time?
Who was there?
Who were the eyewitnesses?
Why is it taking somebody tocome and test him?
So all these things, a highlyaggressive and by aggressive I
mean very well paid legal teamoh no, done ripped that shit up.

(02:25:07):
And so I expect a lot of thisshit to get ripped up, just
based on the premise of what Iknow about how it got brought to
the table and who Jay is andthe fact that he's had time to
prepare well, even with thatsaid Coop, which you make good
points, but like, for me itain't about if it can be proven
or not.

Speaker 3 (02:25:25):
I just pray that for both parties sake that it ain't
about if it can be proven or not.
I just pray that, for bothparties' sake, that it didn't
happen.
That's what I want to stand on.

Speaker 2 (02:25:35):
Yeah, because we don't need any blows like that
man.
Again, you had Bill Puffy,everything, kelly Kel, all of
those he had to go.
Yeah, it's necessary.

Speaker 4 (02:25:46):
It's necessary, everything, all right, kelly
Kells all of those things he hadto go.

Speaker 2 (02:25:48):
Yeah, but again it's necessary.
It's necessary.
And you said AG, you know I gota 13-year-old now.
She just turned 13 yesterday.

Speaker 3 (02:25:56):
Happy birthday KO.

Speaker 2 (02:25:57):
Thank you.
Thank you, happy birthday.
I'm still emotional because Igot a teenager and I'm like yo,
this is crazy, this is crazy.
I got a teenager, this is crazy.
And, like you both said, youknow, cool, you always got a car
now.
So you got a teenager, teenager, right.

Speaker 1 (02:26:14):
So she just, she just walked in the door.
Yeah, she just walked in thedoor, like like from the car,
and I'm just thinking to myselfit's like damn, I've been
terrified this whole time You'vebeen gone.

Speaker 2 (02:26:25):
All right, and it gets you here.
It gets you here.
So again, you know, I just, youknow, prayed that this is not
true.
If it is, I hope justice findshim and I hope justice can be
revealed.
You know the right way and notthe goofy way, of course.
So it's a lot, it's heavy, it'sa heavy thing.
It's a heavy thing.
You know jokes, jokes and jokes.

(02:26:46):
But to to rejoice oversomething like this is crazy,
because you know rejoicing overwhen one of us take a hit we all
take a hit.
It really hurts in differentspaces, Believe it or not.

Speaker 1 (02:27:01):
Say that again, Hold on, say that again, sean.
Hold on Say that, say thatagain.
I think we need to hear thatagain.

Speaker 2 (02:27:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:27:06):
If one takes a hit.

Speaker 2 (02:27:07):
We all take a hit.

Speaker 1 (02:27:08):
And so people need to understand that this is a hit
being put out to take us down.
Yeah, it does, because here'sthe reality of the matter.
If this happened, all theywould have been got to them
already, exactly.

Speaker 3 (02:27:25):
Not necessarily, not, necessarily, not.
Necessarily.

Speaker 2 (02:27:27):
They're building that thing up.
They want it to stick.

Speaker 1 (02:27:31):

Speaker 2 (02:27:34):
And they want everything around it.
They want everything around it.
We've seen it too many timesand, like you said, you got
others who've done things thatwere egregious, and it was on
Front Street, it was right therein front of our faces and
nothing was said.
Nothing was said and we'regoing to go into 2025.

(02:27:56):
And you know, guess who gotselected to be man of the year?
Says a lot.
I'm going to leave it at that.
So, yeah, take for what it'sworth.
Says a lot.
I'm going to leave it at that.

Speaker 1 (02:28:07):
Yeah, take for what it's worth Well on that note,
guys.

Speaker 2 (02:28:14):
Mad Max man, Yo Mad Max got to be from Astoria,
south side of Jamaica, Astoria.

Speaker 3 (02:28:19):
From the bridge to Astoria.
Yo, real quick before we go tothe next joint.
Roger Goodell did release astatement saying that the NFL,
you know, still was going totheir stance on their back in J

(02:28:47):
in this matter, versus moving onfrom them because of
allegations.
We've seen it happen before youlook at how Disney did Johnny
Depp, before anything was proved, just because of allegations,
and then he ended up winning,but Disney cut him off and stuff
.
It's different situations wherea lot of companies jumped the
gun and then somebody wasn'tguilty.

(02:29:08):
So the NFL, with theirpartnership, is, you know,
saying that hey, you know, theseare just allegations.
For now we're going to keep ourpartnership what it is.

Speaker 1 (02:29:19):
Well, first of all, they're in bed too deep with him
to do anything else.
That's a fact.
Yeah, yeah, they're in too deepto pull out.
Pause, whoa.

Speaker 3 (02:29:34):
Missionary album at midnight yo.

Speaker 2 (02:29:36):
Yeah, midnight tapping Pause, whoa, whoa.

Speaker 1 (02:29:42):
You just gonna continue.
That was crazy.

Speaker 3 (02:29:47):
Yo have y'all seen that vinyl though.

Speaker 2 (02:29:49):
Yeah, that was nasty.

Speaker 1 (02:29:51):
Literally Is it literally nasty.

Speaker 2 (02:29:53):
It's nasty cool, they even got a hole in a condom.

Speaker 3 (02:29:57):
Yeah, the vinyl.

Speaker 1 (02:29:58):
That's nasty work.
We don't play those games.

Speaker 3 (02:30:00):
Yeah, the vinyl's a condom, though, like on the
whole record condom dog On therecord.

Speaker 1 (02:30:05):
I'd like to thank condoms.
That's why I have one and notlike seven.

Speaker 2 (02:30:13):
The things that go to the agent here right now that
he's not articulating.

Speaker 1 (02:30:18):
Don't even worry about all that.
Ag Don't even worry about allthat.
That's it.

Speaker 3 (02:30:22):
You always do this, man.

Speaker 1 (02:30:25):
Great time now.
Literally, we'll have a balldown here okay.

Speaker 3 (02:30:29):
Literally, we'll have a ball down here.
Discord Dialogues.

Speaker 1 (02:30:32):
Discord Dialogues.
This is Discord Dialogues.
We are covering the legendaryQueensbridge MC CoreMegaAG.
Take it away my guy.

Speaker 3 (02:30:42):
Yo shout out to Sean Queens get the money.
No, no no.

Speaker 1 (02:30:46):
Shout out to Sean Queens get the money.
No, no, no.
Shout out to Cormega.

Speaker 3 (02:30:48):
Yeah, shout out to Cormega, Yo, cormega man.
I don't know if other than TonyAyo, I don't know if anybody
really came into the game whereeverybody knew who they was
before they even droppedanything.
When Nas shouted Mega out onOne Love, when he got out of

(02:31:11):
jail and started putting outstuff in the mixtape circuit and
joined the firm and all that, Imean he was already a household
name just off the strength ofone shout out.
The only other person I canthink of like that is Yayo.
But Mega, he showed and provedhe was a?
Um, integral member of the, theearly firm unit, the og firm.

(02:31:34):
I really wish we could havegotten a version of of the firm
you know, with core meg, no, no,disrespected nature, but mega,
mega was a better fit, althoughnature was a better lyricist.
Um, I wish we could have got analbum version of that.
But um, even with that said, uh, cormac on his own, you know,

(02:31:59):
dope artists got some dopeprojects.
Uh, the Testament, the realnessand more recently the realness
part two, which came out a fewyears ago, was, you know, return
to form and um, and I'm gladyou know him, and uh, you know,
queensbridge brethren and nasreconciled and um, yeah, you
know, mega's just one of them,ones man like and um.

(02:32:21):
He won our discord dialoguesand we wanted to represent for
him this day and I hope he hasmore to come.
You know, as far as, like youknow, putting out new music,
there's been some words that hewas working on a project solely
produced by Havoc.
I hope that still comes outbecause we heard that Havoc was
doing a joint with Method man.

Speaker 1 (02:32:42):
We've been hearing that for about a year now,
though, so I'm not sure how thatis coming to fruition yeah, I
hope it does, though, man,because I'll check for it.

Speaker 3 (02:32:49):
Man, because, because mega's dope you know mega has a
dope rap voice um, you knowaffirmative action.
I go back and forth, like youknow mega's verse.
You know, some days I feel likehe had the best verse, for as
far as the energy he brought tothe track.
You know, not lyrically on thestrength of the other ones, but
what he brought to the track wasneeded.

(02:33:10):
It was just.
That's why I still feel like wegot cheated.
We used, uh, la familia for umtoday's discord dialogues.
Just that version of the firmthat had mega in tow was was
great.
You know I'm saying affirmativeaction remix and all them other
joints.
Man, I just really, really wishwe would have got that.

Speaker 1 (02:33:30):
I feel like the core mega firm joints had a feel to
them and a consistency to themthat gave us an expectation for
what the album was supposed tosound like La Familia,
affirmative action, what?
What's the other one?
The, uh, the, the mixtape joint?

Speaker 3 (02:33:51):
so it was uh.
Was he on sosa versus state?

Speaker 2 (02:33:54):
yep, yeah, that was the least they joined so so.

Speaker 1 (02:33:58):
So when you're hearing those records and then
even when you hear firm fiasco,the way the firm album starts
off, well, it kind of fits in,and then it's like the album
goes somewhere else.
After phone time you're likewhere the fuck?

Speaker 3 (02:34:10):
is Cormega, it goes left.

Speaker 1 (02:34:11):
Yeah, and I feel like if Cormega would have been
there, he would have been thedude.
It's like no, no, no, we got tokeep this locked in to like on
some firm.
I feel like he would have beenthat guy he would have been, he
would have been a Ray guy, hewould have been a glue guy.

Speaker 3 (02:34:24):
Bingo Glue guy Coop, because people discount that you
can remove a role player from asituation and it still changes
the makeup of the team.

Speaker 1 (02:34:33):
Look here what's his name Trevor Ariza.

Speaker 3 (02:34:37):
When he played with the Lakers.

Speaker 1 (02:34:39):
Oh no, he a game changer with them.
And he was major for theRockets.
And the Rockets.
That's what I'm saying majorfor the Rockets and the Rockets,
that's what I'm saying.
Like no, mega's one of thoseguys.
He's an Ariza.
It's like, oh no, he's not yourstar player, he's like your
third best player.
But if you want to win achampionship, yeah, you need a
guy like that.
You need you a Shane Battier,you need you a Trevor Ariza.

(02:35:01):
That's who.
4mega was A Mike Miller.
Like, yeah, like these guysRemember what's his name Posey,
james Posey you need you thatguy.
A glue guy, a hitter, a rider,a dude from the neighborhood
Made it out but still, like, gotthat neighborhood mentality,

(02:35:27):
no-transcript.
Like we gotta stop.
Like you, niggas, gotta stopkicking in LA, stop smoking this
chronic cap, nigga, I just camehome.
I didn't come home for thisshit and that could have been
some of the riffers that hemight have been saying, that
stuff.

Speaker 3 (02:35:46):
That could have been riff.

Speaker 1 (02:35:47):
People make the riff about a lot of things, but riff
usually happens more about it'sa lot.
Riff usually happens more aboutegos and a tipping point thing.
He could have just saidsomething the wrong way on the
wrong day and that created thattipping point, that created that
riff.
But it could have beensomething super like oh y'all
niggas is getting a little bittoo, because you've got to think
in mind when Cormega is cominghome.
Think about this.

Speaker 3 (02:36:09):
Fox, foxy, nas and AR got gold, platinum.
Plex ain't even around.
Yeah, well, out of Mega's mouth.
Out of Mega's mouth himself.
When he was on Drink Champs,what he said, the vibe was With
Steve.
You know, we don't want to gotoo deep Down.
This rabbit hole was Basicallyyou're just here because You're
Nas' man.

Speaker 1 (02:36:23):
Like I don't really think you belong here or fit
here, but you know what I'msaying I do not think track
masters and dr dre's team is agood fit production wise.
So if he's talking from thatperspective, yes, but nas is the
headliner and so you know, whenyou're david ruffin, these are
the temptations, you know yeah,well, people forget that nature.

Speaker 3 (02:36:46):
You know, steve managed the trackmasters and
that's why they were heavy onthe album instead of just dre
and um trackmasters signednature.
So it was more of a business umlike um transactional deal
nature replacing mega, becausemega wouldn't sign you contract.

Speaker 1 (02:37:07):
Those were all mistakes, and Nas had something
to do with that too.
Mad Max with the 999.
That's why beef happened, thestart of the blueprint.
To this, his whole responseJay-Z this, jay-z that, jay-z,
this, jay-z this.
It's Jay-Z news.
Get off, jay-z, okay, mad Max.

Speaker 2 (02:37:22):
Mad Max, that's true, you are a wild boy, this is for
somebody who used to be a wildboy for a long time.

Speaker 1 (02:37:29):
You're a wild boy, Mad Max.
Andrew Williams, how y'all feelabout Remy.
How y'all feel about Remy andPap.
I feel like I hate it.
I hate it, man.
How'd that Chris Brown song gothese hoes ain't loyal.
All go these hoes ain't loyal,All right.

Speaker 3 (02:37:48):
Next, we were trying to avoid this one man.

Speaker 1 (02:37:51):
I hate stuff like this.
Since somebody asked in thesuper chat.
I'll force.
These hoes ain't loyal, yo Yo.
These hoes ain't loyal when Ibroke a nigga, I won't show.

Speaker 4 (02:38:08):
All right, I'm it.
When I broke a nigga, I won'tshow All right, I'm done.

Speaker 1 (02:38:11):
It's all in fun till.
It's not All right All rightfellas.

Speaker 3 (02:38:18):
Hold on.
Sean didn't get the wax poeticabout Cormac, no, that was
intentional.

Speaker 1 (02:38:21):
We don't want to hear too much.
It's all Queen's entendre aboutCormac.
It's Queen's get the money, man.
It's Queen's get the money.
I in here too, this long queensentendre about like oh my god,
we'll be here all night.

Speaker 2 (02:38:27):
It's queens, get the money.
Um, I've always felt that megawas the necessary piece to the
firm, and that's why I thinkthat's a big.
I think that's a big reason whythe firm flopped in in.
You know, of course, the waypeople felt, because that energy
wasn't there.
Like you guys mentioned, thesongs that we heard with mega on
it just felt like it was fullcircle.
No pun intended.

(02:38:48):
All the songs that he was on,he brought that extra oomph,
because you have Nas, who is alyrical giant, you have AZ, who
is a lyrical giant, you have Fox, who had the voice, who had the
delivery, the cadence.
You had three very strong.
You had some heavy hitters.
Nature was a lyricist.

(02:39:09):
Don't get it twisted Nature wasa pure lyricist.
You didn't need that fromnature, though, because he
wasn't as established as thoseother, you know, as the big
three, if you will.
You know, I mean.
Batman, Superman and WonderWoman right there Right.
That's the.
That's the DC trilogy, if youwill will you need someone like
mega just to bring it down someright, because you're talking

(02:39:33):
about an override of personality, an override of lyrical
dexterity and an override ofjust lyrical density.
You needed someone like megajust to punch you in the face.
You need, because he's notgoing to give.
He's very unorthodox americanhas always been unorthodox.
He's not gonna, he's not gonnawow you in the face.
He's very unorthodox.
America has always beenunorthodox.
He's not going to wow you withthe double entendres, wow you
with the story or the wordplay.

(02:39:53):
He's going to just give youreal talk.
He's just going to say I'm atthe bus stop eating chicken,
wings and french fries.
He's just saying regular streetstuff.
He's grounded, he's the groundpiece that wings and french
fries and he just saying likejust regular street stuff, keeps
it grounded.
He's a.
He's the ground piece thatneeded that.
They needed the connectivetissue to the streets.
He was a connective tissuebecause az doesn't talk a lot of

(02:40:16):
street talk.
He talked luxurious rap.
He talked about luxury rap.
Niles at that time was on awhole different planet.
He was he was balling, he wasballing.
He was balling and people didn'tlike that.
Some of the purists, if youwant to call them that, didn't
like that.
They was mad because he madethe line I'll be flooded in ice
or hellfire, you can't scorch me.

(02:40:37):
They didn't like that.
They didn't like that versionof Nas because they wanted that
same guy to still talk about thepissy elevators and stuff.
They didn't want that right.
It felt like he was over-talkingus at this point, because now
you're talking about ICE, you'retalking about living the life.
You got money.
Now, mega wasn't that guy.
Mega was like I got my Timbs on, I'm grimy.

(02:40:58):
I'm grimy, you know what I mean?
It's dark outside.
He was that.
He was that guy.
Every mob family needs a hitman, need a hitman.
He was the blunt force.

Speaker 1 (02:41:10):
Need a Luca Brasi.
You can't be Vito, everybodycan't be Vito.

Speaker 3 (02:41:14):
Right, that explains it.
People ask on the Dream Teamwhy is Drew Holiday on there?
You need a Drew Holiday.
Everybody can't be Kevin Durant.

Speaker 1 (02:41:23):
I need somebody who doesn't need the ball.
He's going to play some defense.
Pat Bell, get some rebounds onthe fifth Pat.

Speaker 2 (02:41:30):
Beverly man Pat.

Speaker 3 (02:41:32):
Beverly's wild.

Speaker 2 (02:41:34):
I'm going to take somebody at the team For real.

Speaker 1 (02:41:38):
It's like no, you got Durant and Steph and LeBron on
a team.
It's like nigga, that's 40shots, ryan, 40 shots.

Speaker 2 (02:41:47):
That's a great point.

Speaker 1 (02:41:48):
You're playing 10-minute quarters, it's like
you, only got another 40 shotsto go around between the other
nine people.

Speaker 2 (02:41:53):
There's no more shots , selections at all.

Speaker 1 (02:41:57):
You got 40 shots for the other nine people.

Speaker 3 (02:42:00):
Yeah, cormega was vital man.

Speaker 1 (02:42:02):
Vital.
It'd be those guys that get you15 points and seven rebounds
that get you the ring sometimes.
Man that out to Mega.
It'd be those guys that get you15 points and seven rebounds
that get you the ring sometimes,man.

Speaker 2 (02:42:10):
That's a fact.
Yeah, that's a fact.
Shout out to Mega man, Shoutout to Mega.

Speaker 1 (02:42:16):
I know you had a little off-topic thing that you
wanted to do.
I don't know if we're going tohave time today.
We are running over.

Speaker 2 (02:42:24):
Yeah, we're running way over right now.

Speaker 3 (02:42:26):
We're running hot, oh yeah this is real quick to go
into our press play because itum tees off that, but real quick
.
Joe button did a little segmenton uh his podcast about what was
the better duo, um, unofficialduo, I guess you could say az
and naz, or, you know, we wastalking, just talking about the

(02:42:47):
firm and or, uh, jada, kiss andStyles, and they had some weird
rules when it came along to it.
You know, when they was goingthrough the song catalog they
said you know, you can, youcan't use Locke's stuff, um, but
you can use like band from TVbecause they're doing their back
and forth on there, but that'snot even a Locke's record
because they're doing their backand forth on there, but that's

(02:43:07):
not even a LOX record, that'sgot like five people on there.
And then they put thestipulation on there where you
can't use any firm records forNas and AZ, just the songs that
they have together.
So I just figured that was aninteresting little exercise in
comparison.
So me and Sean for our pressplay segment we did like a
little mock versus versus withthe two uh duos trying to, for

(02:43:31):
the most part, heed to the rulesthat they put in place when
they was talking about it ontheir podcast.

Speaker 1 (02:43:37):
So okay, so um these rules suck, go ahead, keep going
.
Yeah, yeah, they gotta do well,you know it was.

Speaker 3 (02:43:45):
It was challenging to stay within bounds, but we did
that For the record.
I didn't pick Bam for TV,because that's just not fair.

Speaker 2 (02:43:54):
We're just going to do it real quick for the sake of
time.
We're just showing it out.
You tell us what you think.

Speaker 1 (02:44:00):
Yeah, no, no, no, I'd love to see it.

Speaker 3 (02:44:02):
Yeah, y'all can vote in the chat and we can put it on
social too.
Y'all can vote which songs wegot.

Speaker 2 (02:44:09):
So cool we got.
We Can Make it versus Life's aBitch Life's a Bitch.

Speaker 3 (02:44:14):
One more step.

Speaker 2 (02:44:15):
All-time great songs.
Though All-time great songs.
One more step versus how youLivin'.

Speaker 1 (02:44:21):
That's how you Livin' , yep.

Speaker 2 (02:44:24):
Synergy versus the Essence.

Speaker 1 (02:44:27):
It's the Ess, the essence.
I kind of figured this wasgoing to happen, though, so I
have some commentary that I wantto make when this is done, but
I kind of figured you can't telljoe and his crew that um, in
and out versus the flyers, theflyers, yeah yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:44:42):
Money versus more money, more murder this is the
closest round to me, though.

Speaker 1 (02:44:46):
It's the closest one, but it's still more money, more
murder In a mahogany.

Speaker 2 (02:44:50):
Like scenery that was lightning and raindrops.

Speaker 1 (02:44:53):
I'm tied up in the basement cocaine spot Like bang
Sounds different.

Speaker 3 (02:44:58):
Dope Money is my favorite joint.
Where Styles and Kiz do that,though.
Off the Rough Riderscompilation, that is my favorite
joint.

Speaker 1 (02:45:08):
Where they do the back and forth Off the Rough
Riders compilation.
That is my favorite joint.
You ain't got no style in you.
I'm into better G's, amaretto's, butter Levers, armani Sweaters
plus these crazy crabs yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:45:18):
Shootouts versus phone tap.
Oh, I love shootouts.

Speaker 1 (02:45:21):
I love shootouts the beat's hard, but it's not phone
tap.
It's not phone tap.
Phone tap to me is their bestperformance, next to Ice the
Bitch.

Speaker 3 (02:45:31):
And just a quick note .
They said no firm records, butwe needed the amount of Nas and
AZ records to add up, and thenplus Nature only has what like
three, four bars on that record,you know so.

Speaker 1 (02:45:43):
Ain't nobody stressing that Phone tap?

Speaker 3 (02:45:44):
is a Nas and AZ, you know, so phones happen, we all
know that in the last one shotsfired serious 50 this

Speaker 1 (02:45:53):
serious is serious yeah but they went crazy on
shots fired up against 50,though but so I'm about to say
something that's about to pissNew York off the Jada and Styles
.
So I'm about to say somethingand it's about to piss New York
off the Jada and Styles combowas overrated about the song
output, and you just saw why.

Speaker 2 (02:46:15):
And that was all they did.

Speaker 3 (02:46:18):
It was damn near a clean sweep, wasn't it Lyrically
it was Lyrically.

Speaker 1 (02:46:23):
people are talking about what they hear when they
rap together, but the songsaren't Like when Styles and Kiss
get together.
I don't be excited likeeverybody else.
That's why I tell everybodyit's like no.
Ray and Ghost, meth and Red,nas and AZ.
Like all of those combos arebetter than Styles and Kiss to
me, because we don't have therecords that reflect from the

(02:46:45):
just them two.
Now there are a bunch of Loxrecords with Sheik on them that
you could have thrown in the mix.
You feel what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (02:46:52):
Right, but adhering to the rules.
And, to be fair, joe did sayhimself like we talking songs,
they not Nas and AZ, buteverybody else jumped out the
window quick.
You know Ice-ish, even Part,but even parts was like oh, it's
kissing styles and they werelike it's not kissing styles and
it's actually not evenconversational.

Speaker 1 (02:47:13):
That's what I'm saying because, first of all,
people overrate.
People overrate a few thingsabout the styles and kiss parent
.
First of all they overrate thesongs outside of we gonna make
it and then they overrate thevolume of songs because it's not
a lot of songs with Styles andKiss doing that back and forth
if they're so famously known foroh no, cheeks on a whole lot of
those records, cheeks on all ofthose records, both of those

(02:47:34):
records are Locks records.
Those aren't Styles and.
Kiss records.

Speaker 2 (02:47:37):
They're simple niggas .
They're just Locks records,right, and we proved that
because that's how many songsthey actually have.
They actually have like seven.

Speaker 1 (02:47:45):
Together with them.
That's what I mean.
Nas and AZ actually have morework than Styles and Kiss and
Nas and AZ don't have a lot ofwork and they have the better
songs.

Speaker 3 (02:47:54):
But yeah, and I like that point, coop, because people
get lost on no pun with thesong, lost on the synergy of
Kiss and Styles.
It's like having an albumthat's really cohesive, that's,
you know, pretty much a five micalbum, but it's really cohesive
.
But then you got another albumthat's like five mics but got
banger after banger after banger.

(02:48:14):
It's got higher highs.

Speaker 1 (02:48:16):
So it's like you know the songs are better think
about this uh huh with Jadakissand DMX is better than all of
these records except for two tome.

Speaker 3 (02:48:26):
I don't know.
I like Dope Money better.

Speaker 1 (02:48:28):
I said except for two Dope Money, and we Gon' Make it
.

Speaker 3 (02:48:30):
Oh, we Gon' Make it.

Speaker 1 (02:48:31):
Yeah, yeah, we Gon' Make it and Dope Money.

Speaker 3 (02:48:33):
Shootouts, though Shootouts, shootouts.
I might put Shootouts over it.

Speaker 1 (02:48:42):
I give that a tie with Uh-huh.

Speaker 3 (02:48:43):
I give it a tie.
Uh-huh probably smoke.
What Jeezy collab, Never mind.

Speaker 1 (02:48:48):
Don't do that.
How about this?
Black Illuminati with Gibbs andKiss is better than a lot of
these records.

Speaker 3 (02:48:53):
It's like I can't go that far.

Speaker 1 (02:48:56):
I love.

Speaker 3 (02:48:56):
Black Illuminati.
It is dope, but I can't do that.
But you made your point, Coop,we ain't gotta get crazy with it
.

Speaker 2 (02:49:02):
To both of you guys' point I just don't like the fact
that Joe and those guys they dothis often they would try to
reduce Nas in some category bypairing him up with something
like that.
I would be more comfortablewith them saying J and Beans
versus Nas and AZ, that's abetter conversation personally

(02:49:23):
for me, because now you'retalking about J and Beans.
When they got together, it wasspecial.

Speaker 3 (02:49:30):
I see what you're doing, Sean, and I like it, but
for me and I love Beans, but Ithink Jay and Sauce is a better
conversation- Jay and Sauce isnot enough, they just don't have
enough.

Speaker 1 (02:49:41):
Jay and.
Beans are going to win morethan Kiss and Styles, but
they're still going to lose.

Speaker 2 (02:49:45):
They're still going to lose, but that's a better
comparison.
That's a weight class.

Speaker 3 (02:49:51):
It's a one-to-one comparison, yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:49:53):
Sean, when you talk about how they try to downgrade
Nas, I actually like when theydo that, because that gives you
the opportunity to play themusic, which is usually when
they have to shut the fuck up.
Yeah, yeah, I actually likewhen they do that.
It's have to shut the fuck up.
Yeah, yeah, like, I actuallylike when they do that.

Speaker 3 (02:50:09):
it's like oh, you feel that way, go put the
records on, let's, let's see howit sounds live right like yeah,
because they were trying to sayoutside of lights a bitch is
really not a competition.
And then joe started naming off.
Like you know, the fly is howyou live.

Speaker 1 (02:50:20):
But just like when they was talking that shit when
magic came out, it's like, oh,it ain't all that.
And then they started playingit live and they was like, oh
damn, it's like, well, hold.
It's like, oh, it ain't allthat.
And then they started playingit live and they was like, oh,
well, damn, it's like well, holdon.
It's like yeah, did you evenlisten to this album, dude?
It's like yeah.
So I like when they do stufflike this, because it's like, oh
no, break the records out,let's see.

Speaker 3 (02:50:39):
Like y'all got more classic records than Nas and AZ,
and then we can move on.
Sirius is such a dope joint.
We all had that moment a coupleof shows ago where we was going
off talking about Sirius.
But like present day as itstands, my favorite AZ and Nas
collab might be how you live.
I love that record.

Speaker 1 (02:50:58):
I mean, everybody knows how I feel about phone tap
, so phone tap is still, likeyou know yo this Esco who this
whatever, ever since, like youknow, yo this Esco who this
whatever.
Ever since I heard that beatdrop.
That's been my shit.
So I'm with you and think aboutthis.
You're talking about how you'reliving.
I'm talking about phone tap andnone of us bringing up life's a
bitch.
That's what I mean.
It's like no, no, no, let'splay the records.
Play the records.

Speaker 3 (02:51:16):
Even the Essence.
The Essence was the essence.
The essence is great.

Speaker 1 (02:51:19):
I like the essence more than how you're living in
the flyers.
Yo the talk at the beginning ofthe essence is classic, it is
Yo, yo, stacey Lattice TinaMarie like that whole shit, oh
yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:51:39):
Before the first verse come out, it wins the
battle Right, right.

Speaker 1 (02:51:43):
Your shit is hot.
Your shit is baby blue.
They powder blue.
Your shit's hotter.
You hotter with the, with thefuggins on.

Speaker 3 (02:51:50):
Yeah nigga, stop that , like stop that we pulled up to
North Carolina.
That's how Sean was admiring myshoes and my fit.
He was like yo, you flyer can'ttake these anywhere.

Speaker 1 (02:52:04):
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We appreciate all the love andsupport.
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Speaker 2 (02:52:21):
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Make sure you guys pleasefollow, like, subscribe on
YouTube, tell a friend to tell afriend.
Over the past several weeksactually a couple of months now
we have been outpacing oursubscriptions with views and we
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We've been averaging 2.5 to3,000 views per episode with

(02:52:42):
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That means we have a one-to-oneratio, even more than that.
So we just need for all of youwho's checking in, who's showing
love to us, to please make sureyou subscribe as well.
That helps us the brand, asmore than anything else, because
it allows us to start reallytapping into the things that we
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(02:53:02):
We have an automatic clip thatwe want to let off, but we want
to make sure we have enoughpeople in the audience to enjoy
that, because we want to make itworth everyone's, while the one
thing that we want to say, wedo have a lot of things lined up
, especially for 2025, but apart of that is to make sure
that the artists that we havecoming on they're coming to a
decent audience, and part ofthat is description piece to it,

(02:53:25):
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Tell people about what we gotgoing on.
Be like our street team outthere to help us continue to
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We are working on some giftsfor some of our main supporters

(02:53:48):
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One thing I do want to share,because I got it for the fellas
too.
But one thing I do want toshare is Now we got the Escobar
cigars for all my cigar loversout there.
These are actually some goodcigars actually.
I just want to show this casebecause Hold on.

Speaker 1 (02:54:09):
You have some Escobar cigars.

Speaker 2 (02:54:11):
Yeah, I got like a whole Like five cases over here.

Speaker 1 (02:54:14):
Okay, you don't smoke cigars, nigga.

Speaker 2 (02:54:17):
I do smoke cigars, you have.

Speaker 1 (02:54:18):
Escobar cigars.
I smoke cigars on this show.
Human resources oh my God, Igot you.

Speaker 3 (02:54:27):
I got you I got you, don't send them.
Coop is opening an eBay auctionright now.
Don't do it.

Speaker 2 (02:54:36):
Don't do it, the team will get this.
You got Neskabar.
First of all, it actually comeswith everything you need for a
human door for those of you whosmoke, so it actually comes.
Everything you need for ahumidor for those of you who
smoke, so it actually comes.

Speaker 1 (02:54:49):
Again subscribed as well, and we got the I got all
types of humidors around here,yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:54:57):
And we got that, we got all of these, we got in cool
Asian.
I don't know you got all ofthose right now.

Speaker 3 (02:55:03):
No, I don't smoke cigar.

Speaker 2 (02:55:04):
What I got you guys got what I got you guys got what
I got, you guys got.

Speaker 3 (02:55:10):
He'll send you a personal autograph note.

Speaker 1 (02:55:12):
That sounds like some shit.
A pimp tells his hoes.

Speaker 2 (02:55:17):
Yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 3 (02:55:19):
What's the opening bid start at Coop when you get
your cigars.

Speaker 2 (02:55:23):
It has $500 for the box it has, the Platte
subscription there as well, thePlatte subscription there as
well, if you guys are notreading between the lines.
Yeah, we got the wrong cut overhere, and everything I'm showing
you is not centric, and it'sfor a reason.
Again, ag, you guys are goingto get yours for Christmas.

(02:55:45):
I hope I can get this out inthe mail.
It's hard to ship cigars andalcohol via mail.
Ag, thanks for about to get mein trouble, but you guys my bad
Got to get me locked up fortrying to ship alcohol, amongst
other things.
Amongst other things,definitely time to go.
Appreciate y'all.

(02:56:07):
Continue to tap in.
Join the Discord.

Speaker 1 (02:56:10):
We got y'all.
We got two super chatsAndrewWilliams199, the Joe
Budden Podcast, or Nas Haters,we are aware, even though we
support them overall for beinggroundbreaking, or Joe being
groundbreaking, brandon Rogers$5.
Tomorrow is the Godson'sanniversary, of course.

Speaker 3 (02:56:31):
We'll be talking about it on the next show.

Speaker 1 (02:56:34):
We have to cover things within the time frame in
which they happen.
Tomorrow falls under next week.
I might shoot a Lucy video outtalking about Made you Look or
something.

Speaker 3 (02:56:44):
We in the future with it sometimes too, but yeah,
we'll get there.

Speaker 2 (02:56:47):
We'll there.
Oh, we definitely discord.
Might be doing a listeningsession tonight for the
missionary album, so join ourdiscord those guys be doing this
.

Speaker 1 (02:56:56):
According from the reviews that I've been hearing,
there's no need for you all todo all that.
Go ahead and go, go to bed, getyour flash, go and get you some
sleep, absolutely.

Speaker 2 (02:57:04):
I need to still jet lag you want to know what I've
been.

Speaker 1 (02:57:07):
From what I've been reading, from the reviews, you
know what I actually thoughtabout.
I've been thinking where thehell is the glove in all this?
Should have called the glove.

Speaker 2 (02:57:16):
That's again.
You leave pieces of the recipe.

Speaker 1 (02:57:22):
One of the strongest things, glove told me he's like
if we made a banging record.
He's like if we made a bangingrecord, he's like no, he's like
I'm trying to call the same weedman, trying to call the same
girls, trying to call you know,I mean the same action.
So it's like if you do amissionary, which is the follow
up, the doggy style, and likethe chronic and chronic to like
the mailman some Chris the glove, you know what I'm saying well,
I had the same thought, but alittle bit different.

Speaker 3 (02:57:42):
cool Coop.
It wasn't a production aspectof it and we'll review it next
week, but I'm alreadyanticipating the biggest glaring
missing piece will be Nate Dogg.
I'm already thinking that,without even hearing it, I think
that's going to be the glaringmissing piece from all this.

Speaker 1 (02:58:03):
Last time they made an album together, there were
songs like Murder Was the Caseand what's my Name, and Gin and
Juice.
It's just that's why I didn'twant them to do it.
It's not realistic.
It's not realistic.

Speaker 3 (02:58:13):
Look, my shirt is named after the Wack Sophomore
album yeah, that immobility andthe Prince of Darkness, the
worst follow-up album trilogy.

Speaker 1 (02:58:29):
Look, look, look, look.
That's the unholy trinity ofsophomore rap albums.
We'll see what the missionariessound like though.

Speaker 3 (02:58:38):
But we are the dope pod trinity.
So on that note we bid youadieu.

Speaker 1 (02:58:45):
Ain't none of y'all better Word to LOX?
None of y'all better Word toL-O-X.

Speaker 2 (02:58:47):
None of y'all better Peace y'all, peace y'all.

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