BEST FISCAL YEAR EVER? + Nas and Premo, Biggie, Rufus Sims, T.I., Ghost, Common, Wale

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Speaker 1 (00:40):
Salute.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
What up fellas?

Speaker 1 (00:43):
Welcome to Hip Hop Talks.
I'm Coop.
That's AG.
That's Sean Kid.
We know AG, the only niggathat's at home.
The fans might not recognizeSean in front of his shoes, but
that's Sean.
That's not a clone.

(01:10):
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We've been having somewonderful shows lately.
The dialogue's been great, ag.
You have been coming up withsome of the most innovative
ideas in the podcast space.

(01:30):
I wanted to give you a specialshout out.
Appreciate it, bro, taking thetime to come up to this.
I'm not trying to be cocky atall when I say this, but the way
that you have taken the time tothink of these innovative and
original ideas does reallyremind me of how I started off
in this space, and I mean thatlike the most, like
complimentary fashion, the ideasthat you've been coming with.

(01:52):
It's like oh, I remember when Iused to think of shit like this
before niggas started gettingon my nerves all the time.

Speaker 2 (02:00):
That's what's up man Appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (02:02):
No, no, no no, no, You've been coming up with some
wonderful ideas and I want toshout you out for like coming up
with some wonderful ideas forthe show.
I did want to kind of, like youknow, get to my segment for a
second if we could, Sean, Like Iknow I didn't kind of script
this, but this is kind of goingto be something for pretty easy
for you guys to follow.

Speaker 2 (02:20):
So it appears that LeBron and Stephen A are getting
into it.

Speaker 1 (02:26):
Quite frankly and I mean as somebody that has aired
his grievances in public and hasseen the positive and the
negative from it positive andthe negative from it I would

(02:49):
tell you that, unless both sidesare unwilling to sit behind
closed doors, this needs tohappen behind closed doors,
moving forward, because it gotreal petty, real, real fast,
didn't it guys?
Didn't it feel like the lasttwo days were officially the
days where it's like, well, wekind of felt like y'all didn't
like each other, but now you'reletting everybody else know that

(03:10):
you don't like each other, andI don't like that because you're
the most dominant people inyour space and you happen to be
black men and in your respectiveprofessions.
That is very, very hard to do,and so I would rather them
handle this behind the scenes.
And here's how poignant andimportant that it is.
So big is this deal right nowthat people forgot that it's

(03:34):
opening day in baseball.
Today it's opening day andnobody even said anything
because Stephen A and LeBron arethrowing up gang signs.
Is this the new Drake vsKendrick?
You want to know what I?
Here's what I thought of.
I really thought of HowardCosell and Muhammad Ali, except

(03:56):
for that.
That was more playful, though,and scripted behind the scenes.
And those men were friendsbehind the scenes, even closer
behind the scenes than they were.
Men were friends, behind thescenes even closer behind the
scenes than they were on camera.
This don't feel good.
Look good, sound good.
I found myself over the lastcouple of days, as a black man,
kind of cringy.
It even made me question someof the things that I had done.

(04:19):
Respectfully, all jokes aside,I was just like, uh, sean, sean,
what you think?

Speaker 2 (04:27):
it's nasty man, like even with LeBron going to Pat
McAfee, you know.
You go on to ESPN.
You go on to like the personthat Stephen A has publicly had
issues with the competition, ifyou will and he started throwing
everything out there.
You know talking about StephenA making jokes about Stephen A.
Stephen A went on his.
You know talking about StephenA making jokes about Stephen A.
Stephen A went on his campaignlast week talking about Bron on

(04:48):
every other episode or everyother channel that's out there
and just talking about it.
And to your point, coop.
It's one of those things wherethey don't like each other.
We know that.
They know that they're talkingabout it and now it was bubbling
beneath the surface, but now itis cool.
At this point somebody's goingto have to chill out.

(05:09):
At this point it's going to behard because Stephen Day he's in
the media.
This is giving him more looks.
The numbers are going throughthe roof.
The numbers are looking greatbecause you've got the biggest
star in the world right now insports going back and forth with
you.
That's what you want, right?

Speaker 1 (05:28):
This is what I'm saying, sean.
He literally Stephen A went onTV today and said I was here
before you.
And he literally said on TV, onESPN cameras, based on the deal
they just gave me, I'm going tobe here after you.
I was like, oh, I said thoseare gang signs.
I said gang, gang, gang, gang,gang, gang, gang, gang gang.
Yeah, that's a I'll see you inthe streets nigga type statement

(05:57):
to be saying professionallyLike, yeah, when I see you
outside, this going to be whatit is, even after you gone.
Facts Y'all take the seriousroute, but I'm here for the
jokes.
So did y'all?
Y'all see the video that lebronposted of steven a boxing?

Speaker 2 (06:15):
that was nasty bro.

Speaker 1 (06:18):
Bro tried to.
Bro tried to say he had twotorn rotator cuffs.
I about lost it, you know, butum, that video looked eerily
similar.
Sean showed me him doingjujitsu one time and that video
looked eerily similar to Sean.

Speaker 2 (06:32):
That's the energy of y'all, man.
That's the energy of y'allright now.

Speaker 1 (06:37):
I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm just here for the jokes.
Sean was in his bag, though youknow what I'm saying.
Sean is tactically I can't evensay that word tactically
trained.
He's trained.
We'll just leave it like that.
But nah, stephen A was doingnasty work.
Man, I don't have anythingserious to say other than I'm

(07:00):
tired of this being drug out.
I'm dead serious when I saythis is for the black community,
if you will.
This is our new Kendrick versusDrake, because you know what I'm
saying.
That's been over a year.
It's played.
We need some other drama totune into for the next so many
months, and I think this is it,and I'm tired of it already.

(07:22):
Frankly, it's ridiculous.
I'll let you know it'sridiculous.
Yeah, all right, okay, hey, g,you're kind of going to be
spotlighted on this show.
We're going to go ahead and getout of this bag and jump into
our new kind of an old music bag, because we have still yet to
uh, rate rufus sims project.
Ill, dirty bastard because youhave yet to rate Rufus Simms'

(07:43):
project.
Ill Dirty Bastard because youhave yet to listen.
So, unless you have somefinishing thoughts about this
comment, I want to segue intoyour thoughts so we can get to a
cumulative rating and then wecan get to talking yeah,
absolutely Real quick.
Before we do that, we have someother business from the last
pod to take care of real quick,because the people probably want

(08:04):
to know about the uh winner ofthe bracket.
That we left up to the fans andwe posted it on Twitter and we
posted on the discord and, oddlyenough, both.
Both of the percentages cameout 90% in favor of Illmatic to
10% on doggy style.
So Illmatic is the winner ofthe five mic album bracket and I

(08:27):
agree I picked Illmatic, but Ido think it should have been a
closer vote.
So, coop, you look like youdisagree.
It's not that I disagree, it'sthat when it's 90% to 10, it's
like, what are we doing here?
Okay, so here's what peopledon't understand when you don't
rate it objectively and ithappens 90 to 10, and on a worst

(08:53):
case scenario, guys, if anybodythinks that Doggystyle is not a
top 10 rap album all the time.
First of all, I don't want totalk to you about rap.
I want to talk to you about rap.
So the gap between not 9 to 1,guys, not 9 to 1.
Even if you told me it was 65to 35, I would eat the food on

(09:17):
it a little bit more, becauseguess what that does?
It makes it more respectable.
It makes it more tangible.
Everybody's going to turn aroundand say that it's not in the
consensus.
It'll be like oh, this is aNas-based podcast.
Coop came over here because hewas plugged to Taz.
She was plugged to Nas.
That's how all this happened.
Anyway, of course, thatfollowed.

(09:38):
It takes some of thecredibility out of it when it
becomes 90 to 10.
It's my, my problem.
I don't have a problem with thenumbers because it hurts the
credibility of it.
Well, you, I mean thecredibility is the credibility.
We left it in the people'shands, which was a good idea by
you, and then the people voted.
So it'd be different if we youknow, three unanimously,
unanimously said that illmaticwas better and stuff.

(10:00):
So that's the difference weleft it in the people's hand and
the people voted.
A lot of times I'm not going tosay too much, but I'm going to
say a lot without saying.
When you leave it in thepeople's hands, sometimes, you
know, things happen that's kindof wild.
I'll tell you, I'll say thatright there, I'll say it for you
people.
I appreciate you, I don't trustyou at all.

(10:21):
But yeah, so that's the winnerof a bracket.
But yes, moving on, moving onto Rufus Sims, yes, tapped into
that project and the project wasdope.
You know, everything y'all saidon the last podcast was very on
point, very entertaining album,from start to finish.
The skits intertwined andhelped weave together the

(10:46):
cohesiveness of the album.
Um, the production ill citylaced them with a lot of
different looks on that joint, alot of versatility.
Um, it was fire all the wayaround.
I would probably well.
First off, I went back to thealbum quite a bit and there's a
particular one run on the album.
It's a five-track run that I'mgoing back to more than anything

(11:10):
.
That's starting at so Dirty,which is a vibe.
Love that record, then ChoirActing Crazy Real Life and then
Fill in the Blank.
That five-song run right there.
I've been revisiting that oftenand I like that.
It was that often and, um, Iliked that.
It was old dirty bastardinspired.
But the song that speaks mostto the spirit of old dirty to me

(11:32):
is cap crazy.
That's a song that I could heardirty doing himself.
You know what I'm saying.
So that was a highlight for meon the record.
Now, that's all the positives.
On the negative side of things,um, constructive criticism, this
isn't even my take, I'm justrelaying it, but it makes sense
to me.
Um, I plugged the album in ourdiscord and told our discord

(11:53):
that you know I'm saying listento it.
And um, you know one I forgetwho it was in particular but uh,
one of the people put in therethat they was filling the
project but they felt that itwas too many features on a
project.
That's, um, if you're arelatively new artist or artist
that somebody's not as familiarwith your voice, like on a, you

(12:15):
know you might have five or sixposse cut.
You know people on a posse cutand if you don't establish who
you are like, like you know,through giving us a lot of just
yourself, then it'll be hard topick out.
Like well, where's Rufus?
Like you know what I'm saying,I don't know which one in
particular is Rufus because I'mnot familiar with a lot of these
guys like that.
You know what I'm saying.

(12:35):
So I think that's somethingthat maybe could be looked at
like on the next project, whereI'm going to give them more of
myself versus putting on all ofthe home team and on a lot of
the tracks and doing a lot offeatures.
But overall, I think this was agreat record.
I'll give it a solid four.
Sean, what's your overall rateon the project?

(13:00):
I can give it a four.

Speaker 2 (13:02):
I love the nostalgia feel of it.
Definitely a four.
Maybe a four point two, five.
Okay, I can give it a four.
I love the nostalgia feel of it.
Definitely a four, maybe a 4.25.
Okay, I'm a big Dirty fan.

Speaker 1 (13:10):
Me too.
I'm a big Dirty fan, so it'shard not for me to love the
ethos of this project and theexecution of this project.
I have gone back and listenedto this project multiple times
now because I have enjoyed it sothoroughly.
I am with you, ag.
My biggest critique is actuallythe fact that this album is one

(13:34):
of those albums that reminds methat we didn't really hear all
of the Wu-Tang Clan until thefourth album, which is Rayquan's
the Purple Tape.
We really didn't hear Outkastdo an album with a bunch of
features to their third album,which is Rayquan's the Purple
Tape.
We really didn't hear Outkastdo an album with a bunch of
features to their third album,which is Equimini.
Because I think once you'vemastered the craft of making a
great album in the format thatyou're in which, whether it be

(13:54):
solo, duo or whatever it'seasier to expand upon that
horizon, to make classicmaterial once you've done that.
So I will agree with you to thepoint.
Although I find the guestappearances to be stellar, it
can be easy for him to be lostin the shuffle because he is not
established as an artist justyet, right, right, but he
himself is very unique.

(14:15):
But if you're not familiar,with him.

Speaker 2 (14:17):
Hold on one second guys.
All right, Go ahead.

Speaker 1 (14:23):
G, yeah.
So yeah, he himself is veryunique.
But if you don't, you know, ifyou're not familiar With his
vocal tone or you know that cankind of get lost in a Track with
a bunch of features.
But you know, that's justsomething to give the people
more of yourself.
Personally, on the next project,me and you talk about this all
the time, like when we'regetting nostalgic talking about

(14:46):
36 Chambers.
We talk about like we ain'tknow who was who when 36
Chambers was out.
We like yo, the dude thatrapped third on the mystery of
chess boxing, yo, that's, that'sthe guy right there.
You know what I'm saying.
That's how we was referencingstuff, because we didn't really
know the names of the whole plan, like that.
So we were just like I don'tknow who.
That is the rap third oneprotect your neck.

(15:06):
But you know that's the one.
You know what I'm saying.
So you know, I would just saylike, maybe give a little bit
more of yourself next time.
No, I think those are faircriticisms.
My overall thought even afterall, that was still a 4.25.
If the two of you all aresaying 4, I will.
Sean said 4.25.

Speaker 2 (15:27):
He said 4 or 4.25.
Are you solid on that 4?

Speaker 1 (15:31):
Sean, which one are you leaning on?

Speaker 2 (15:33):
I would lean on 4.25.
That's me being biased, becauseI love Dirty.
I think this is a greatrepresentation of Dirty it is.
I wish we would have didsomething like this.
To be quite honest, this is agreat old age to dirty.

Speaker 1 (15:48):
You know, and what do you mean when you said Hold on,
sean, unpack that briefly forme.
When you're saying that youwish that Wu-Tang would have
done something like this, do youmean like an actual album, like
in tribute to Old Dirty Bastard?
In general, yes, or?

Speaker 2 (16:06):
maybe YDB, maybe YDB I was about to say YDB doing
something like this, because yougot a dirty sprinkle throughout
this entire album.
Not many albums have this kindof concept.
If you think about it, guys,there's a paying homage to
another artist of that artist'salbum.
You have a sprinkle of Returnof the Dirty Succubus throughout
this entire album.
You have a sprinkle of Returnof the 30th of September
throughout this entire album.

(16:26):
That's dope.

Speaker 1 (16:29):
That's funny.
It's funny Anytime somebodytalks about Old Dirty Bastard.
I'll never forget what my dearfriend and he's still my dear
friend to this day MichaelHubbard, told me when we were in
10th grade in high school he'slike, when Old Dirty Bastard
raps he's the best rapper inWu-Tang Clan.
And when he said that, that hitme hard because it was so rare
that he actually rapped rap.
But I got exactly what he wassaying, because when he did rap

(16:53):
he was their most captivatingmember and the name of it is
called MC, because to me, mcmeans move the crowd and he did
that.
Mc means move the crowd and hedid that at like.
However, whenever, however youwant to call it, he did that.
That's a great point, sean, andhe is the most charismatic,

(17:20):
even more so than Meth.
So I can agree that when he israpping he's the, like you said,
the most captivating, and I'vemaintained this for years.
I don't.
Deck is my favorite out of theclan, and when people reference
triumph, they always say howdeck jumped it off with this
classic verse, and then I haveto correct people like that

(17:41):
track don't have the same energyif old dirty bastard is not
talking in the beginning.
You know what I'm saying ampingup the people to get ready for
it, and it's the only track thathas all 10 members on it.
Now you imagine that trackwithout Dirty's intro.
Is it the same?
I say hell, no, it's not,because then you have the jump

(18:02):
off protect your neck 2 off theW.
Yeah, that didn't have Dirty onit, though that's what it's not
, because then you have the jumpoff protect your neck too off
the W.
Yeah, that didn't have dirty onit though you know what I'm
saying.
That's what I'm saying that'swhat you have.
That's the type of record youhave.

Speaker 2 (18:10):
Right, that's what you have without dirty yeah.

Speaker 1 (18:14):
You got the jump off instead of trying Right.
There you go.
Yep, it gives the preparatorycommand that something's about
to happen.
Have well, people forget this.
The main reason that theyreally weren't able to duplicate
their group success is that ohno, you can get into their
chamber solo without dirty,because he's such an anomaly,
but in a very, very weird way,he's really the person that

(18:37):
takes enter the wu-tang over thetop yes he gives it its
all-time classic status with hismic performances.
because, well, you got yourlyricism, because you got Chisa
and Dick.
You got your gritty beats fromRizzo.
You do got your street and yournostalgic with Ghost and Ray.

(18:58):
You do have your star in methDirty.
Is that sprinkle of somethingthat's in your mama's favorite
dish that your mama will nevertell you Don't?

Speaker 2 (19:07):
tell nobody.

Speaker 1 (19:08):
She ain't telling nobody till her arthritic hand
prevents her from getting thatspice or whatever it is herself
she's not telling and Old DirtyBastard.
Is that spice to Wu-Tang?

Speaker 2 (19:22):
Clan.

Speaker 1 (19:22):
So their group stuff was never the same after Enter
the Wu-Tang because he wasn'tthere and I know this is an Ill
Dirty Sims, I mean a Rufus SimsIll Dirty Bastard review, but
that's how important Old DirtyBastard is.

Speaker 2 (19:34):
He still lives on.

Speaker 1 (19:35):
Yeah, and this is from an artist from Chicago, so
it's like, yeah, I'm going tosay 4.25.
It's an album of the year.
Well, real quick, like to yourpoint, coop it was.
He was a little bit present onWu-Tang Forever, but that
presence was definitely missingwhen he was still alive on the W
, because even though he's onConditioner, you know you could

(19:56):
hear the pain in his voice onthat track, being that he
recorded his bars from jail andthat was hard to listen to.
Although I like that song, it'shard to listen to.
And then after that, you knowyou don't have his presence on
any other album.
But I love that album.
Shout out to my son and mydaughter they got me the W on
vinyl for my birthday.
I mean, ag, he's not on foreverthough.

(20:19):
There's Dog Shit, there's theintro to Triumph, there's
Reunited.
That's it, dude, my favoriteperformance actually is not even
a verse from him, it's the hookon as High as Wu-Tang Get.
That's what I love the bestabout that song.
I love Jizz's verse on there,but I don't love that beat.
That's one of the weaker beatson the album than me, but I hear
what you're saying.
Yeah, but the Ill Project fromproject from Dirty Rufus man

(20:43):
that's dope.
Yeah, yeah, dope project.
Shout out to the Chi, shout outto Ill City, rufus, I Am God
See y'all soon Pulling up Allright On to this new Wale.
Single Sean, what you think ofWale, come on Queen.

Speaker 2 (20:58):
What you think, you like it.
I like it Very, very mellow.
I actually listened to it forthe first time today as I was
leaving my meeting.
I was like, man, I needed this.
This is a very mellow track.
I needed it.
I needed that.
I needed that track because itslows down.
It slows things down.
Everything is chaotic.
It slows things down.

(21:19):
But it made me think about Wale, in a sense where.
How do we rank Wale?
What do we do?

Speaker 1 (21:29):
that's exactly my problem with the record, we're
all on the same wavelength rightnow that's my problem.
I can't stand that.
I hate.
I can't stand when a rappermakes a record that makes me
think about how I should rankthem.
I can't stand that a rappermakes a record that makes me
think about how I should rankthem.
I can't stand that shit.
And here's the thing while theyexcels in this bag, the melodic

(21:52):
bag, when he makes stuff forthe ladies and the melodic stuff
it's dope.
But it was during his heyday,you know, his prime.
It was hard for him to do thosetypes of records when you had
Drake out there doing thoserecords, like they didn't, you
know, permeate through.
So, man, listen, like when wetalk about the big three and

(22:13):
then a potential four and a fivewith the futures and the big
Shons and the Nickys of theworld Wale during that era he's
down there to 10.

Speaker 2 (22:22):
If we're being honest , Don't let low hear that man.

Speaker 1 (22:28):
Oh, is he a big Wale fan, is he?
I didn't know that, but I'mjust saying, man, and that's
being objective, bro, and Waleis talented.
Kendrick Drake, cole, futureSean Nicky Right, then you got.

Speaker 2 (22:48):
I feel like.

Speaker 1 (22:49):
Ross is his predecessor.
Ross is his predecessor.
He signed him around that area.
You got Cudi, you got Wale.

Speaker 2 (22:59):
I'm still taking Wale over Cudi on some rap shit
maybe not as an artist, but onsome rap shit you got Crit,
that's about a tie for me takingWale over Cudi on some rap shit
?

Speaker 1 (23:05):
Yeah for sure, maybe not as an artist, but on some
rap shit I'm taking.
Yeah, you got Crit.
Crit that's about a tie for me.
Wale and Crit's about a tie forme.
But look how far down the listyou got till we even got there.
Like you had about eight we'reabout seven eight.
We're in that seven, eightterritory.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying,but it's a dope record, though
that's wild.
Okay, but what are we doingwith this record?

(23:26):
Where are we going Is?

Speaker 2 (23:27):
there a project coming Correct.

Speaker 1 (23:30):
Okay, I'm glad we had this.
No clue, we in the loosey air,so I don't know.
Okay, time to lick shots, allright.
Music anniversary, guys.
On this day, we have quite afew classic albums that came out
.
We're going to start withcomments like Water for
Chocolate.
A lot of people still feel likethis is Common's best album.

(23:52):
I actually listened to thisalbum the day, guys, and it's
not.
It's the second best album.
I bet the people that are fansof Waterford Shock Was waiting
for me to have this big epiphany, a revelation.
No, no, no.
I woke up today to tell youthat this album is a classic.
I woke up to also tell you thatyou're wrong.
It's still the second bestalbum.
Wait you said.

(24:13):
I thought you said on Sorry tointerrupt, but I thought you
said on another show that whatwas it?
Did you put One Day?
It All Makes Sense.
Second, no, third.
Okay for some reason I thoughtyou had that as second and then
switched up.
You can make a case that OneDay it All Makes Sense is third.
Okay, because I know you heldthat album really high, so yeah,

(24:36):
but this is second for me.
It's uneven.
Finding Forever is better puttogether.
Finding Forever is better puttogether.
I find that One Day It'll AllMake Sense is a common sense who
we don't find again, and so Ifind memories like that from a
rapper to be special over time,and so I would argue by Finding
Forever or One Day It'll AllMake Sense.

(24:57):
Between its three or four statusin the catalog, resurrection
has taken a hit to me over acourse of time, but that's
because the production is notholding up and I was kind of
afraid that would happen to thatalbum.
But people older than us holdthat like probably one or two
People older than us holdResurrection Right, that's great
.
They also, too, are listeningto Straight Outta Compton, and

(25:19):
it takes a nation of millions ontape in their old school car
that they were riding around towhen those fucking albums came
out.
So I don't want to hear thatfrom them.
It's not the truth.
The production just hadn't heldas well.
One day it all makes sense.
Production actually has held upbetter.
In terms of being aestheticallypleasing, it's something that's

(25:39):
still more enjoyable to listento.
This is its second best album,but it's a stellar.
If this is the second bestalbum in your catalog.
You are an all-time greatrapper Because this album is
stellar.
That's really what was mytakeaway from it.
Oh no, if people feel like he'stop 10, top 15, if this is his
second best album, which it is,oh no, this is as good as

(26:00):
anybody's second best album.
How about this?
Like Water for Chocolate, isjust as good as Iron man in my
opinion, which is Ghost's secondbest album.
I wouldn't put it that high,but it's up there.
I think it's conversational,depending on what your musical
taste is.
Not everybody's on some Wu-Tangshit.
You know what I'm saying True,true, but I'll say this Coop.
I think that for somebody whohas Universal Mind Control and

(26:25):
Electric Circus in their catalog, he still has a top 10 catalog
all time for solo.
When you say it out loud, itjust hurts.
My head literally hurts, butwith albums like this that
balances that out.
Common it might be towards thebottom of 10, but he has a top
10 catalog.
I believe I agree with you.
All I have to say left is thatthis is, I think, his second

(26:48):
best album behind B, and it hasmy favorite Common song in Sixth
Sense.
That's my favorite Common songof all time.

Speaker 2 (26:54):
I love Sixth Sense.

Speaker 1 (26:56):
Primo did his thing.
You know I love that record,but when everybody puts that at
the top of Common's catalog Ididn't realize that record hit
everybody like that.
It's not my favorite Commonrecord.
I love the video too.
Yeah, the video is brilliant.

Speaker 2 (27:14):
Love that joint.
I agree with both of you guys.
All right, I'll hit it Up nextTia Tia, tia King.
It's you, king, definitely 2006.

Speaker 1 (27:33):
Sorry, we didn't get common as proper due Like Water
for Chocolate came out in 2000,.
Correct, yes, yes, it was March28, 2000,.
Correct, yeah, march 28, 2000.
So, that's a 25-year milestone.
Yeah, march 28, 2006,.
Ti released King.
Ag gives it the five.

(27:55):
Is it TI's best album to you aswell?
Ag, easily, and TI has a greatcatalog as well.
This is the album and that mightbe biased, but this is the
album that really made me buy in, because Urban Legend when he
was on that King of the Southtalk and you know the Jay-Z of
the South he had some records onthere but I wasn't totally

(28:19):
buying in.
Then, when King came out, I waslike this is the guy.
Now, mind you, this is duringWayne's run where he's ramping
up, and still I'm listening toTI like no, this is the guy.
So many records on here.
I mean Top Back, king Back.
You know what you know about.
That is still, I think, ti'sbest record hands down.

(28:41):
I mean you can play thatanywhere.
I'm talking to you as afavorite.
Why you Wanna is a major hit,and the reason why I think I
like this album so much and thenI'll pass it to one of y'all is
because his approach was veryJay-Z-like.
You know, because this has DownSouth records on there, but he

(29:01):
has Just Blaze contributions onthere.
He has the Swizz Beatzcontributions on there.
He has the Swizz Beatzcontributions on there, he has
the Pharrell and Neptune'scontributions on there, so it
was a very palatable album, nomatter where you were from.
You know what I'm saying.
So it was like his universalalbum, his universal appeal
album, if you will.
So I think this is his bestalbum hands down.

(29:22):
I still play this record on theregular today, fire.

Speaker 2 (29:28):
I'm going to give it five.
I give it about a four and ahalf, but this is the album that
made me a TI fan.
At that time, urban Legend wastoo subtle for me, I'll be
completely honest, and I wasn'tin that bag at that time.
But this album, I felt likethis album was the one that got
me into TI Because, like yousaid, you got what you know
about it.
I play that song a lot.
I play that song a lot.

(29:50):
I played that song recently.
That song is crazy.
That's when I feel like he gota certain confidence.
And Coop, you probably noticemore than we do, but to me it's
not like King.
You got the title album, king.
Your confidence is at a highlevel at this point.

(30:11):
So you know what you got inyour hand For you to put an
album out and you call it King.
You know what you got in yourhand and you're going to kick it
off with what you know aboutthat.
Come on, man Crazy.

Speaker 1 (30:23):
It's a coronation ceremony, guys on man Crazy.
It's a coronation ceremony,guys.
There you go.
The album, the song.
What you know, in my opinion isa top 50 rap song.
I don't care what anybody says.
If anybody were to ask me if Iwere to pick one song to come
out of this city of Atlanta I'min Buckhead right now If I were
to pick one song to come out ofthis city of Atlanta I'm in

(30:45):
Buckhead right now If I were topick one song that would come
out of this city, that would bethe song that I would choose.
Guys, Like, if we needed introtheme music to represent Atlanta
, I would say Play what you Knowby TI.
That would be my theme music.
Like, think about theheavyweight champion walking out
to their theme music.
That would be like Atlanta'sheavyweight champion theme music

(31:06):
.
That's the rest, that's what itsounds like no, but that's also
the moment, because it's theculmination of everything that
the Dungeon family started andeverything that Crump built up.
And out of all of that, all ofthat group work and all of that
groundwork and thatcollaboration and footwork, came
this great solo MC.
And this is the guy and this isthe album.

(31:29):
This is the coronation ceremony.
Objectively, personally, I'mwith you.
Ag would tell you that it'sfive.
Objectively, I'd tell you thatit's a 4.5.
Some slight missteps in termsof the arrangement of the album
on the back end that I could putwith you about, of the
arrangement of the album on theback end that I could put with
you about.
But outside of that, oh, the micperformance, the stellar nature

(31:49):
of the songs.
How about this?
This is how much I think ofthis album.
Oh no, this is Volume 2 by JDunn.
Better than Volume 2, AG, theCulture, the Culture, the JZ
stuff.

Speaker 2 (32:01):
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (32:06):
It's actually Volume 2 done the way volume two was
actually supposed to be done.
Yeah, and lyrically he steppedit up.
But you're right, it does telloff to the end.

Speaker 2 (32:14):
But the highs are so high, man, it's crazy yeah, it
was hot, it was hot and I wantedto hate but I couldn't.
I was yo.
Who's this scrawny guy mantalking about?
He's the king, he's thesouthern Jay-Z or whatever.
I'm like.
Who is this guy?
And?

Speaker 1 (32:29):
if you remember, this is like not even quite a full
year removed from the Jay-Z wavewith 101.
And I came with King and waslike all right, hold my beer,
watch this.
So people forget this?
No, no, no.
Wayne had all right, hold mybeer, watch this.
So people?
So people forget this?
No, no way.
They just made the carter 2 aswell, the carter right, so the
carter 2 and 101 are floatingaround and ti was still the man,

(32:51):
and I remember that thathappened in real time.
Like that happened real timewhere, like no gz was having his
moment, wayne was having hisbest performance ever and ti was
the man.
I was like, nah, that's the guyright there.
For sure, that that's the guy.
That's what I mean.
Oh no, Look here, look,sometimes I hate to say this

(33:13):
it's like oh no, tupac beinglocked up took him all the way
over the top.
Ti getting locked up actuallytook him down a lot because
there were so many other peoplewho were buying when it happened
to Pac.

Speaker 2 (33:28):
as far as on the mainstream level.

Speaker 1 (33:29):
It was just big ascending.
He just had to worry about itbecause Nas hadn't even ascended
to that level On some rap shit.
It was really just Nas andTrench and a couple of dudes to
worry about.
See, I got locked up.
There was a crop in a field ofpeople rick ross, a jeezy, a
white in the south.
They feel that spot real fastin addition to your leg, in

(33:49):
addition to your legacy actsthat hadn't made money like they
felt like they should have had,that now went solo or came back
and signed the different labelsand made group projects.
Scarface still running aroundmaking music it's a lot.
I'm glad you brought scarfaceup because this was the album
that made me not feel offended.
He was talking all that King ofthe South talk and Scarface is
one of my favorite rappers ofall time.

(34:10):
I'm like, bro, you got to stopthat.
Scarface is still alive andwell and making music.
But then when he came out withthis, I was like, okay, you got.
You know what I'm saying abuy-in.
It's still face, but it wasn'tcrazy when he how about this?
Right?
Very comparable to when.
Jay on volume one said who's thebest MCs Biggie, jay-z and Nas?

(34:32):
It's like, oh well, when he'ssaying he's the king, it's like,
well, it's still face to me,but you're very much like in
that conversation with him andwith Wayne, like those three
guys specifically about that.

Speaker 2 (34:44):
So yes, absolutely, and did he?
I think Paper Trail came andwith Wayne, those three guys
specifically about that.
So yes, absolutely.
I think Paper Trail came afterthis right.

Speaker 1 (34:49):
No, that was a slight drop off with TI versus.
Tip.
Ti versus TIP is actually yeahNow if you don't have that in
the middle.
That streak is crazy, goingfrom Urban Legend, king and then
if you go to Paper Trail afterthat.
But that TI versus TIP was notit Very inconsistent?
That was the industry albumgone wrong.
Yeah but I mean to that pointof the inconsistency.

(35:13):
That's kind of what he wasgoing for to show the two
different sides, but it justdidn't come together well as an
album.
Concepts aren't his thing.

Speaker 2 (35:24):
No, no yeah.

Speaker 1 (35:28):
The concept thing is that he didn't stick to landing.
No.
On the same day, in the sameyear, ghostface actually
released Fish Scale, which isactually one of my favorite
Ghostface projects.
Okay, so when I tell peoplethat I feel like Ghost has three
classics and three in thepossible, it's like this is my
third one and Bulletproof is mypossible.
For most people, bulletproof isthe third and Fish Gale is the

(35:50):
possible, but this is my thirdfavorite Ghostface album, after
Supreme and Iron man.
What say you?
Go ahead, sean, ghost is yourguy.

Speaker 2 (35:58):
Go ahead man, he start off with Shaky Dog.
I'm like he got another one.

Speaker 1 (36:09):
look here shaky dog on my ghost top 10 list.
Some days I wake up and it'slike I need to hear shaky dog,
it might be ghost best story.
It might be ghost best story itmight be ghost best story ghost
got a lot of great storiesghost.
The top five storytelling.
Shaky dog might be the one.
You know what shaky dog is.
Shaky dog is the setup to me.

(36:30):
Yes, I can see that.
I love those stories like.
Those are the stories whereit's like oh no, you're in real
time with these guys.

Speaker 2 (36:37):
Yes, it's animated, it's fun.
It's ghost showing his humorousside.
It's ghost showing everycomplexity of his character,
everything.
And again, coop, I love thisfun.
It's gold showing his humorside.
It's gold showing everycomplexity of his character.
And again, coop, I love thisalbum.
I love this album.
I love this.
It might be number, might benumber three for me, iron man.
No, probably number four.
I love Bulletproof Wallace aswell.

Speaker 1 (37:00):
I like the beats on here better.

Speaker 2 (37:02):
Ray is on here more Ray is on here more.
He definitely is on here more.
The fact that he went outsideand got more collaborators for
beats and still pulled this offand still has stories on here he
still has bravado on here Ghostwas.
This album showed you howconsistent Ghost was, because he
did not have any misses, evengoing into this album.

(37:24):
No, no album that he had goinginto fifth scale was a miss.
Everything, even the PrettyTony album was a hit.
Pretty Tony was dope.
You know what I mean.
Even the Big Door Rehab.
Ghost was dope.
Snap-on.

Speaker 1 (37:41):
And you want to know what, guys?
In a lot of ways, for me, nineMillie Brothers is the last
classic wu-tang song.
Like that's the last classicwu-tang posse cut record in my
opinion.
I can't think of one after.
I can't think of a record afternine milli brothers.
It's better than nine millibrothers.

Speaker 2 (37:56):
It's the last classic wu-tang posse cut, in my
opinion I forgot about ninemilli brothers, yeah, and they
went crazy on that.
The Burners and the Stamps, Idon't know.
I haven't looked at thetimeline.

Speaker 1 (38:07):
Yeah, they got it like that yeah.

Speaker 2 (38:11):
And it's Ghost, because everyone was fizzing out
and Ghost kept putting outalbums.
He kept putting out albums.

Speaker 1 (38:16):
The Champ with Just Blaze.
Oh yeah, the Champ is myfavorite on the whole album.
Oh, my God, great stuff.
I'll be brief because y'allboth you know I'm saying smoke
that, but I'm, I'm with coop.
And then you said but you putbulletproof wallace uh third,
didn't you sean?
I did it.
Yeah, here's my deciding factor.

(38:37):
I got fish scale as his thirdclassic and bulletproof as the
fourth.
Because of what Bulletproofcould have been.
I know that, knowing theoriginal the watch, the sun,
those tracks if they were, youknow the original samples and
stuff got cleared and you knowwhat we heard on the internet
back then and the album you knowcame to fruition.
Because, unfortunately, stufflike that played a lot of albums

(39:00):
from reaching their fullpotential, I have to put
Bulletproof uh forth as thepossible because I know what
bulletproof could have been I'llbe mad at that.
I'll be mad at that at all yeah,I don't disagree with that at
all.
Okay, um, on march 22nd lastyear, guys, uh, future metro
booming released, uh, what, theblack man's theme in atl towards

(39:23):
the women, which is we don'ttrust you.
Thoughts on the album, guys,outside of the obvious thing
that we're about to talk about,go ahead, aj.

Speaker 2 (39:36):
I'll be short.
I don't listen to it much Afterthe run.
I'll be honest with you, inreal time I enjoyed it, but
after maybe a month or two andCoop, we talked about this a lot
last year these albums, a lotof the albums, didn't have a lot
of legs.
And I'm going to be honest withyou guys, I listen more to

(39:59):
Future Mixtape, the last jointhe put out, mixtape Pluto.
Yeah, mixtape pluto.
I've been listening to plutoskiabout maybe every other week.
I'm listening to plutoski.
I don't know why, but that gotto me.
I love plutoski.
I ain't gonna lie, I'm gonnarun it again.
Yeah, it's crazy, but but Ilisten to that more than I

(40:25):
listen to this.
I listen to just like a monthstraight.
I'm like man, this is.
I love the beats, love Metrobooming, and after that I kind
of just let it go.
So that's my take on it,honestly not mad at that.

Speaker 1 (40:40):
I think it was one of the best offerings we had last
year and Future had a hell of ayear last year.
But I think the quality of thealbum itself got drowned out by
everything this album started.
So that was a risky move onFuture's part, but I get it, for
as much eyes and ears it got tothe album, the more it drowned

(41:04):
out the quality of the album.
But we're going to speak moreon this here in a little while,
so I don't want to give away toomuch now.
This was a very solid projectand it got mired in the
ancillary things that occurredon one record by a guest artist,
which I'm sure AG will bealluding to shortly.

(41:27):
Those are really my thoughts.
It's actually an album that gotmired because it helped ignite
the biggest modern day beef.
Because of that, people forgotthat it was actually a quality
project.
I'm not saying it's anythinggreat.
I'm not saying it's anythingspecial.
It's actually a pretty damngood album In real time.
When I'm not saying it'sanything great, I'm not saying
it's anything special, but it'sactually a pretty damn good
album.
It's a really good album and inreal time when I was rating the

(41:48):
album, which is one of the lastthings I did.
At my former podcast.
I spoke to the fact that thisalbum was actually only like
three or four songs, edit-wiseaway from being like the album
of the year.
So there was stuff on there andit really got overshadowed by
that moment and people haveforgotten about it.
But that's also the cycle thatwe live in and how things work
today, and I understand thatpart of it as well.

(42:09):
Let me ask you this both ofy'all you know, because this
terminology I first used it asfar as, like, cannibalizing your
own, like fan base or whatever,do you think that it would have
been better served if theydidn't come out with the?
We still don't trust you.
Part two, and just let thislive on its own.

(42:32):
No I like what they did withpart two, because they switched
speeds and did something totallydifferent.
So I like the fact that theywould have switched speeds.
Had they been on the same shit,I would have told them to let
it breathe or just do a deluxeedition in the fall or
wintertime.
Okay, with the move.

Speaker 2 (42:50):
I think the momentum allowed them to do that because
they got a lot of momentum fromwe Don't Like you, we Don't
Trust you.
You got that kind of momentum,you got some more loosies on
your hand you can put togetherto get more money out of it and
put together another solideffort, then go forward.
The momentum was carrying themover into that second joint
anyhow.
So I think it was the rightmove.

Speaker 1 (43:10):
I don't think they cannibalized each other.
I mean.
Last but not least, guys, march25th 1997, as you know, the
Notorious BIG released his album.
Life After Death came out twoweeks after his death on March
9th.
So, guys, I know Andrew and Ijust did a show on Mirror Music

(43:35):
commemorating Life After Deathas an album and doing some deep
dives and some talking aboutsome of the put togethers from
the album, some of the smallerpieces in the album Great video.

Speaker 2 (43:46):
Check that out.

Speaker 1 (43:46):
It's one of those albums that, for the time that
I've been in the space, I'vefound that I find new stuff to
talk about the album every year,which truly means that it is a
classic album and aone-of-a-kind kind of album.
Sean, tell me what some of yourthoughts are on Life After
Death.

Speaker 2 (44:06):
Man.
It is a great album, man.
This album aged really well andKoop, you and Andrew did a
phenomenal job, man, breaking itdown.
Thank you, Great job youactually did.
Aj and I was texting back andforth you was in a different bag
, man, and Andrew even wastexting me and I'm like, yeah,
Koop is in this lecture bag andyou had me look at the album a
little bit different.
Be honest with you, bro, andthat's me giving you your

(44:27):
flowers because in real time Ienjoyed the album, I appreciated
the album, but I didn'tunderstand the capacity of the
album, if that makes sense,Because I felt like you know,
Big had three years to make thisalbum.
You know you're thinking aboutthe inception of Ready to Die to
the inception of Life AfterDeath.
And so many things happened inbetween time where Big had a

(44:50):
chance to sit back and reallystudy everything.
He studied the landscape.
He saw Nas coming up.
He saw Nas doing his thing.
He saw Nas going through awhole maturation process.
You know it was written.
You see Ray and Ghost doingtheir thing on Cuban links.
You see Jade coming around thecorner.
He saw a lot of differentthings that happened between the
release of Ready to Die upuntil Life After Death.

(45:11):
So he had a lot to talk about.
And this is a time where therisky part was to make a double
album and make that double albumto be to have something to talk
about.
And every song on that albumBig had something to talk about.
It's one of those albums whereyou can never fault an MC for
what he was saying or what hewas rhyming about.

(45:32):
But the only things I hadagainst it was some of the
high-level beats that Puffy waschoosing, some of the glitzy
beats that he was choosing.
But you said it eloquently onthe show that that was by design
for Puffy, because by that timeyou're talking about, the
success of Ready to Die camefrom the remixes more than
anything else, more than agrittiness of Ready to Die.

(45:53):
So if you saw the success fromthat and that dragged that album
to a different tier.
You're going to start off thisnew, this sophomore album, with
even a higher grandioso sound,his sophomore album with even a
higher grandioso sound.
And now I thought about it, guys, and again I'm going to pass
this to you AG, Think about whatBig was doing in that between

(46:14):
that time, but also what he wasdoing on no Way Out.
Just imagine how many songsthat was on no Way Out, which is
something called a classic thatprobably could have easily been
on Life After Death he gaveaway to no Way Out, to Puffy.
You're talking aboutpotentially three albums that
being made in a two to two and ahalf three year span.

(46:37):
No Way Out is Big's imprint.
It is Big's imprint.
I don't think we talk aboutthat enough.
But you listen to songs on noWay Out that is Big's DNA
imprint.
I don't think we talk aboutthat enough.
But this is also no way out.
That is big's dna all over thatalbum.
It is hey sean just real quick.

Speaker 1 (46:51):
I would swap been around the world out for more
money, more problems, and itactually fits better in life
after death song wise andsequence wise if you're actually
talking about because becausemore money, more problems stands
out on life after death, this,this one, it does like it is my
problem with the sequencingCause there's really nowhere
comfortable to put that record.
Been around the world actuallycould have allowed you to slide

(47:14):
hypnotized, probably to this too.
He wouldn't need to put a verseon it Cause he just did the
hook.
But I feel what you're sayingLike a tone wise, like to fit
the rest of the album, but moremoney, more problems.
I actually had a conversationwith my homie earlier today and
you know, granted, big wasn'there, but that song was really
marketed like a puffy record,you know and how it was because

(47:36):
big wasn't here, though rightbecause the moment, because the
moment the moment is big, likebecause I tell people outside of
big.
Actually, when you listen tothat record on Ready to Die, I
can make a legitimate argumentto you that it's the weakest
record.
On this one I can make alegitimate argument.

Speaker 2 (47:56):
I agree with you.

Speaker 1 (47:57):
But everybody loves that verse.
That verse is universal.
No, no, no, the verse isspecial.
All you got to say is B-I-G.
Everybody can finish that joint.
That's what I mean.
But no, no, no, the verse isspecial, all you got to say is
B-I-G, everybody can finish thatjoint.

Speaker 2 (48:06):
That's what I mean.

Speaker 1 (48:07):
So that's what I mean and that's the thing that I was
trying to cover on Mirror Musicwas the fact that it's like,
well, the reason that weremember him so much is because,
well, he was actually morespecial than the album was, as
crazy as that sounds.
Yes, I'm going to give you yourprops, your flowers, bro,
because watching that mirrormusic man you made me look at
things on this album A littlebit different.

(48:28):
Not album, but Big himself,right, because where you and I
ain't going to give away Toomuch because y'all need to get
over to mirror music and checkthat episode out for real, it
was real insightful.
But when you was Breaking downBig's hits and it's not as like
A plethora of like, you knowthose hits that like we really

(48:48):
think, and then his genius isreally In, his evil genius, like
when you broke down Like that.
You know, I'm not gonna say toomuch about that, but y'all get
over to Mirror Music and listento what Koopa's talking about.
As far as that's concerned.
As far as the album itself,right, objectively, wu-tang
Forever is my favorite as far asthat's concerned.
As far as the album itself,right, objectively, wu-tang
Forever is my favorite doublealbum of all time, but I would

(49:10):
say that this is the best doublealbum of all time, and the
reason why I would say so isbecause Big left no stone
unturned on this album.
He displayed versatility that Idon't think has been displayed
since Like.
This album came out in 1997 andI personally can't name an
album that has trumped thissince 97.

(49:31):
You know what I mean.
All the things that he's doingon here is just he's doing it at
a high level.
He's taking BoneThugs-N-Harmony style rapping at
a high level and my, I don'twant to say it's a knock on big,
but if I'm nitpicking, all myfavorite MCs, a lot of the other
MCs at the top and the top fivewill have big in the content

(49:53):
area.
But I think on this album hehas Missing you.
He has Sky's the Limit.
He's starting to get into hiscontent bag a little bit more
and we won't even talk about thestorytelling.
The storytelling is you knowwhat I'm saying bar none.
You know, I hate to say this,ag, my biggest problem with life
after death is actually thecontent song, because I think
it's the weakest part of his bag.

(50:14):
Those are the records that Ienjoyed.
He didn't need to work on that,but I just appreciated that he
was trying.
You know what I'm saying he didbetter uh, sky's.
The limit is is yeah it's likecome a long way, like, like, in
terms of crap like that.
So so it's like yes, but that'swhat I mean is it's like oh no,
you hear how, how special he is, even if the record isn't
special.
You're like man, this guy'sspecial.

(50:34):
He just pulled that right, likeI know.
That's not even his main bag.
That's like it's actually theweak part of his game.
The weak part of his game he'sstill good for he's still good
for 19 points and 10 assists.
That's the only Achilles heel.
And the last two points I wantto make about this album.
One is the history of the album.
Right, I don't hold Ready toDie as high as most people do.

(50:55):
Right, because I think you canhear some of the unevenness in
the album where some tracks wererecorded early on you know what
I'm saying Before Puff got, youknow, bad Boy going or whatever
, and then where he was atUptown, and then you could hear
the tracks afterwards.
And then Big, like on Big PapaWarning, where he wasn't as

(51:15):
amped up and his voice wasn't asanimated, he kind of slowed it
down.
One More Chance Remix is theperfect example of that.
Flow in Pocket slowed it down.
But if you thought that OneMore Chance remix is the perfect
example of that, flow in pocketslowed it down.
But if you thought that OneMore Chance remix was the
pinnacle of that, he showed thathe could do that style on any

(51:35):
track on this album.
And the reason being, oddlyenough, was when Steve got in a
car accident and he broke hisleg.
So Big recorded pretty muchthis whole album sitting down in
the booth.
He had to go to a booth in awalker and sit in a wheelchair
and record his rhymes.
But when you're doing it fromthat people, like I said, we've

(51:56):
all three rapped at some point,recorded in a booth or whatever
you can't get super amped up.
If you're sitting downrecording a verse, you just
can't.
But that got him in a silkysmooth pocket in and out on all
these songs.
So it was a gift and a curse ina sense with what he was doing,
because I don't think you getthat same delivery if he's able

(52:17):
to kind of like stand up in thebooth.
I've always felt that from theinception of this album.
So that's one thing.
And then the second thing isand then we can move on is most
double albums and um hip-hoparound that time were event
albums.
Coop, you always you know I'msaying speak so much about um,
all eyes on me, how, when potgot out of jail, it's like all

(52:40):
right, dog pound, you got thatrecord, that's going on.
Pox album, dre, you got thisgoing on.
Pox, it's all hands on deck orwhatever.
Wu-tang Forever me and Sean, wetalk about this all the time.
They moved all the way out toCali.
You know what I'm saying,saying yo, we got to be locked
in.
We can't even be at home torecord this album.
We're recording this in Cali,we're locking in for so it's a

(53:00):
big event with this bad boydouble album for big.
All the features are perfectlyplaced.
I don't think it's any featurethat's not needed.
But the one thing that reallymade me realize this was an
event album was because me andSean did a station has shown
this mob deep and Wu-Tang didn'tmess with Bad Boy at all.

(53:24):
Like that, outside of Methdoing his feature on the what
and then Puffy producing theMariah remix with ODB, the Wu
and Mobb Deep they would messwith Nas.
Mobb Deep and Wu had their ownlittle clique.
But when RZA gave him Long KissGoodnight and when Habit gave
him Last Day, I was like, okay,they're saying we cannot miss

(53:48):
this, we cannot be a part ofthis.

Speaker 2 (53:50):
Too big to ignore.

Speaker 1 (53:54):
Exactly, it's an event album and they didn't give
them B-folder beats.
That's top-tier RZA on LongKiss Goodnight.
In my opinion, that's top-tierHavoc on Last Day.
They can fit on a Mob or a Wooalbum.

Speaker 2 (54:08):
It's top tier, it's the bottom of their top tier,
though.
It's still in the top tier,though it's top tier.

Speaker 1 (54:14):
It's the bottom of their top tier, though.

Speaker 2 (54:16):
And that let me know that it was real.

Speaker 1 (54:18):
You want to know what it is.
It's like they literally gavehim a 90 beat.
Like what's that?

Speaker 2 (54:25):
It's like they literally gave him a 90 B, like
just enough to give him a.
It's like no, no, no, you don'twant to get a competition Cause
they was in the competition.

Speaker 1 (54:35):
I'm giving you a 90.
I'm not giving you a 97.
I'm giving you a 90.5.
Rap on this.
90.5.
Rap on this.
A minus and he killed him.
You know what I'm saying.
But that's direct competition.
And I was just like 16 year oldme realized that when I'm
looking at the booklet forproduction credits, I'm like yo
RZA producing on this album.
You can never produce outsideof the womb.
I like that.
He sounded pretty stellar overthe RZA track.

Speaker 2 (54:57):
I thought I liked him better on Long Kiss, good Night
than I did.

Speaker 1 (54:59):
I liked him better on Long Kiss, good Night than Last
Days.
Here would be my synopsis.
I do want people to watch theMirror Music episode.
It is one of my better bags andone of me and Andrew's better
episodes in my opinion.
So I don't want to give away toomuch, but his legacy, much like
Pac's legacy, is shrouded insomething where if you really go

(55:22):
listen to the music, it's likeoh, that player that you talk
about, that player only on aboutlike five, six, seven records
on his actual albums.
You know what I'm saying.
He's not a player on his albums.
He's a player on these remixes.
He's a player on junior mafia'salbum.
He's on a player to the remixes, to the song that he remixes.
He's not a player like that onhis albums.

(55:42):
His albums are more like mydownfall kicking the door
everyday, struggle, warningready to die, the what last day,
dark stuff.
Yeah, and here's the thing thatI really want people to realize
in ag.
I just want to piggyback offyour point.
Then we can slide, because hesat down in that chair man.
His flow is so silky.

(56:04):
Never has anybody actually saidmore with less words.
He had started doing stuffrhythmically.
That's why I picked the lastverse of my downfall.
The first verse is actually,lyrically, the best verse.
But when people talk about hisflow, his delivery and cadence,
he had started learning to dothings so subtly that you missed
the fact that he was actuallyusing less words than any great

(56:25):
MC that we had ever heard.
He had started learning to dothings so subtly that you missed
the fact that he was actuallyusing less words than any great
MC that we had ever heard.
He had really found such acomfortable space on the beat
guys.
It was damn near literally likehe was just floating over the
track.
Whenever he felt like it, weused to hold the gold.
Now we floss the diamonds.
Niggas want my team to stopshining.
You see how he's enunciatingand letting it fly.
Pray, my fame start declining,whining like girlies.

(56:48):
We've been around the worldtwice.
The beat's going like this andto even make light of like the
wreck when he's in thewheelchair.
I used to be as strong asRipple B to Little C's Cripple
Me.
Now I play hard like my girl'snipples like come on, bro, this
is the second best rap, secondbest rap, second best version of
a rapper I've ever heard in mylife.
Behind 95, 96 Nas Period.

Speaker 2 (57:12):
Back to you.
Kappa Donna was supposed to beon the hook of no Kiss, but they
took him off.

Speaker 1 (57:22):
I didn't know that.
I remember you told me that,sean.
I didn't know that.

Speaker 2 (57:24):
I remember you told me that Sean I didn't know that
Kappa was saying time for you todie.
That was Kappa.

Speaker 1 (57:32):
First of all, we don't have any proof of that.
Until you produce proof, herewe go, here we go.

Speaker 2 (57:38):
We got one more anniversary.

Speaker 1 (57:40):
before we slide out of this topic, it was the
diplomatic community jointspeaking of double albums.
I didn't see DiplomaticCommunity in there.
Sean put it on Twitter theother day it was 3-25, march 25,
2003.
Okay, I got a question fory'all.
A lot of people consider this aclassic.

(58:01):
I don't.
But my question for you all isand this is no disrespect to dip
set but has any other group orcollective done more with less?
And what I mean by that is camis not, can't.
I love cam, but cam is not liketop 30, all-time great.

(58:24):
He's somewhere.
After that, juelz was new, buthe had New York on fire for a
short time.
Jimmy didn't even rap, freakydidn't rap.
But this is how importantmarketing is and selling
yourself.
You know what I mean.
I really mean it.
And Dipset Anthems are some ofthe best New York records in the

(58:45):
lexicon of New York hip-hop,right?
So has any other crew orcollective done as much as they
have and created a legacy forthemselves with less talent like
that amount of talent?
I don't know if less is theword.

Speaker 2 (59:03):
I was trying not to be disrespectful.
I get what you're saying.
You know what I'm saying.
I think the very part of it,the word AG.
I was trying not to bedisrespectful.
I get what you're saying.
You know what I'm saying Ithink they're part of it, Sorry
man, Cool bro.

Speaker 1 (59:10):
I think Dipset AG is part of a cultural transition in
music where the culture of themusic started mattering more
than the music which is verymuch still what exists to this
day.
And so what they provided uswas actually more great hip hop
culture and ethos of uptownHarlem lifestyle than they did

(59:31):
actually provide great raprecords.
They embodied hip hop culturefor Harlem and for New York and
for the East Coast more thanthey had embodied it musically
and MC wise, and that was atransition, because usually to
come from New York and have thattorch as a group, you had to be
the nicest group, like on themic.

Speaker 2 (59:48):
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (59:50):
You had to be a mob beat.
You had to be a Wu-Tang, aRun-BMC, an EP.
No, you had to fit certainthings and no, they didn't fit
that.
But also the game had shifted.
And here's where you've got togive them credit and got to give
them credit.
And we can look at it inhindsight, and it's probably cam
.
Oh, cam is a brilliantbusinessman and cam saw the game

(01:00:11):
shifting and he shifted withthe game appropriately, was
ahead of the curve, and becausecam was ahead of the curve, he
got his crew ahead of the curveand that being ahead of the
curve granted his crew a momentfrom which he capitalized on,
and he never stoppedcapitalizing on.
No, they were great at theslick talk too, but I'm from
Harlem uptown.

Speaker 2 (01:00:29):
Yeah, it was a chance and a swagger.
What Diff Set got over oneveryone is the fact that they
were confident and they had alot of swagger.
At the same time, cam and JewWells carried the torch when it
came to just the bravado ofrapping.
Jim was just talking ondiplomatic immunity.
The best thing on thediplomatic immunity to me was
the beats.

(01:00:49):
Heatmakers came with some bangs.

Speaker 1 (01:00:54):
You guys rap.

Speaker 2 (01:00:57):
How many people rap to?
I Really Mean it beat.
How many people rap to?
I Really Mean it beat.

Speaker 1 (01:01:04):
Look, not me, but my right-hand man, holla did, and
Holla was right there in thestudio with me all the time.
Yeah, holla rapped to that shit.
Yeah, it was one of those Superchats.

Speaker 2 (01:01:16):
We can move on, double barrel what it do.

Speaker 1 (01:01:20):
Two dollars the king is in the five.
I'm sorry, I'll give it a greatfour.
What the hell is a great four.
Two dollars the king is in thefive.
I'm sorry, I'll give it a greatfour.
What the hell is a great four.
Slide over.
What are we doing, cj?
Shout out Much love.
Fellas Just got back from asuccessful speech.
I'm sure it was successful foryou, cj, you're doing great.
What is today's creative topicthat AJ came up with in place of
the 4.5 mic tournament?

Speaker 2 (01:01:45):
LOL, we'll be getting to that shortly.

Speaker 1 (01:01:46):
It's like jab at AG.
It's like jab at the source.
That's more of a jab at thesource than it is at AG 4.5 mic
tournament.
Cj the Kid, also Sean your fit,looks like Malcolm X on the
Roots album cover of the TippingPoint.
Bless you.
For real, cj must have beenhanging out with Mad Max behind
the scenes.
I'm pretty sure CJ must havebeen hanging out with Mad Max
behind the scenes.
I'm pretty sure.
Yeah, definitely the shade isreal.

Speaker 2 (01:02:11):
Okay, real cool.

Speaker 1 (01:02:11):
Oh, cj, the Kid Diplomatic immunity is a general
consistence, classic fellas.
You guys know I wouldn't liewhen it comes to this.

Speaker 2 (01:02:18):
Not general consistence.
I'm surprised.

Speaker 1 (01:02:20):
CJ's saying that man CJ the Kid Coop.
I remember on your previousconcept you said you'd bar out
over Dipset, you'd outbar outevery.
I think it means to say everyDipset outbar every Dipset
member.
So I don't know if I can trustyour judgment.
Lol, kid knows.
Oh no, I'm going to be honestwith you.
So, cj, you want to hear somereal shit.

(01:02:42):
When I heard the Wally recordin real time, I thought to
myself it's like oh no, I wasbetter than you when I was
active and if I was still activeI'd be better than you now.
That's exactly what I thoughtwhen I heard the Wale record.
They don't want none of this.
If I get live, all right,that's wild.
No-transcript.

(01:03:08):
The GOAT debuted the moonwalk onMotown 25.
Michael Jackson, first time weever seen the moonwalk on live
television, changed the world.
Yes, it did, motown 25.
The GOAT, I know you're PrinceGuy, but I'm sorry.
Coop the goat, look here.
This is actually perfect timingbecause unfortunately, my time

(01:03:29):
here in this house is up,because my battery is about to
die and I need to get to my carand get some actual, real,
legitimate charging.
I'm going to have to set outthis next segment.
I'm going to let you guys talkabout this album that's
supposedly getting madehypothetically, possibly, maybe

(01:03:51):
man, this nigga been at thestage table telling us he got
three in the possible.
For 12 months I've been in like15 dice games since I last
heard the last track.
It's been a minute.
Life is like a dice game.
In case you didn't know, mightwant to remake that record, hint

(01:04:11):
, hint.
But.
I'm going to let y'all get tothat.
I'm going to get to the car,get some charge.
I'm going to hit y'all back ina minute.

Speaker 2 (01:04:16):
He did remake the record right.

Speaker 1 (01:04:18):
Yeah, I want them to remake the record.
I want it remade.
I'll be back in a minute.

Speaker 2 (01:04:31):
All right, no doubt.
Yeah, we got one more superchat from CJ.
No shit at all, guys.
No, we appreciate you, cj, weappreciate you, CJ, we
appreciate you, man.
All right, so what are we goingto do next?

Speaker 1 (01:04:41):
Yeah, the Nas calendar man, that Nas calendar
is making waves, you know I'msaying yeah, so I was posted on
his ig story, in case y'alldidn't know already his schedule
for, um, well, a lot of theschedules already transpired.
Uh, this month of march, youknow, going into april, and he's
, he's dropping some, some hintsat what he has coming, you know

(01:05:04):
, in the future and it lookslike this Primo album is
definitely going to happen, man.
And what do you think, sean?

Speaker 2 (01:05:12):
I'm excited.
I'm excited, don't rush it.
Don't rush it, we don't havetime, take your time.
I was more excited to see Havocbeing a part of that calendar.
You know, the Mobb Deep album,right, and actually curating
together, being able to see allof that, and just the fact that
he threw it out there giving ahint, right, you know, that was

(01:05:34):
intentional, that wasn't like amistake or oopsie, that was
intentional because it got thepeople talking, we talking about
it.
You know, we're trying to figureout about putting that bet
scene when it's going to drop,when it's going to happen.
Look, when it happened, ithappens.
Let's just let's enjoy the timeleading up to it.
Let's enjoy it because, nomatter what they do, at this

(01:05:54):
point people want to criticizeand ridicule.
We're already hearing peoplesaying you know, preem is not
the same Preem and all of thisand that.
So it's going to beanticipation and I'm hoping that
Prem get a chance to read someof the comments and hear some of
the chants out there aboutwhere he's at as a producer.
That can motivate him as well.
So I'm looking forward to seehow it's going to turn out.

(01:06:16):
Again, there's no rush on it,man.
Take your time, put it togetherand let's make sure we have a
good album.

Speaker 1 (01:06:23):
Right, uh, preem has actually been responding to
people on Twitter, so it's kindof entertaining, um, but one
thing I will say Nas is notsomebody who really put stuff
out of it out there like that.
I mean, in this new era.
I like it cause he's one of theyou know what I'm saying the
legends, legacy acts, the olderrapper, and during the Hit-Boy

(01:06:45):
run he would do little things totease projects Remember the
Magic series?
He had the like Harry Houdini,you know what I'm saying clips
and all that stuff.
But for him to reveal his wholecalendar, that's something that
you know I typically wouldn'tthink he would do.
So that lets me know that thisthing is for real.

(01:07:06):
They're not BSing the fans,they're not pump faking.
He's letting us know what it isand I have the dates right here
in front of me.
You know what I'm saying, justto read them off real quick to
the people.
So he had down for February,24th through 27th that he's
going to be recording with Primoin the Bahamas, 24th through
27th that he's going to berecording with Primo in the
Bahamas.
And you know we've known Nas tohave some other classic

(01:07:29):
recorded sessions in the Bahamas.
You know what I'm saying, someof the stillmatic sessions was
in the Bahamas, so hopefullymore classic material comes out
of that.
On March 4th he's tapping inwith Primo.
Again On March 5th he has aRaekwon listening session.
It's news that Raekwon iscurrently working on his new

(01:07:53):
solo album.
So you know, yes, this could bejust him tapping in showing
love to Ray, or he could beinvolved in some way.
I would hope that Ray would beon Massapil.
That would be kind of fire.
But, um, I heard in our discorduh, somebody mentioned it's a

(01:08:13):
whole campaign that's coming.
That's going to be called likethe is it the legends of the
fall or something like that?
Campaign by Massapil and itincorporates all the rappers
from my era.
It's going to be probably theNas and Premier and they have
announced this officially.
You know what I'm saying.
Don't quote me on it, but itwas seen on Reddit.

(01:08:34):
But you got Nas and Premier,you got Raekwon, you got
Ghostface and you got the newMobb Deep album produced by
Havoc and Alchemist.
Moving down the calendar, march6th he's tapping in with Primo,
again also on March 11th, andthen, what I just spoke to,
march 12th.

(01:08:55):
He has something on there thatsaid Legends.
You know what I'm saying somaybe that's part of getting
this campaign together.
March 18th he has GhostfaceKiller listening.
You know Ghost is working on analbum simultaneously too and I
hope and pray it's better thanthe last one.
Um, you know I'm saying theguns and roses because you know
I think they could have been alot better.
Let's go do that, go ahead, allright, but but yeah, he has the

(01:09:18):
ghostface listening session andthen he's tapping in with
premier that day as well.
March 21 21st is DJ Premiere'sbirthday and that's on.
Dj Premiere's birthday was whenhe revealed this calendar,
march 21st through April 5th.
This is the biggest span he hadblocked off on his calendar,

(01:09:39):
you know.
So we got, you know, close to afew weeks there.
That's all primo sessions.
You know that whole span, march21st to April 5th.
But on March 24th he has MobbDeep on the calendar, which you
know Alchemist already said on Ibelieve it was Hot 97, maybe
that Nas was involved in themakings of the Mobb Deep album

(01:10:02):
with the posthumous Prodigyverses and then Havoc and
Alchemist was handling all theproduction.
So I don't know if Nas isexecutive producing or what his
role is, but he's very muchinvolved in this process.
And then the big one thatcaught my attention at first was

(01:10:23):
April 3rd.
He has a video shoot.
So anytime you got a videoshoot you know something is you
know right around the corner.
So I'm gonna make a boldprediction here.
Could be wrong.
If the video shoots on april3rd by the time you know
post-production, editing andstuff comes out, I want to say

(01:10:43):
we could be getting this albumat the earliest by late april.
Um, define my name dropped onthe illmatic 30th anniversary
last year, which was april 19th,and then I looked on the
calendar and I think april 20thmight be a friday or something
like that.
So it won't.
The Illmatic anniversary won'tfall on the 19th.

(01:11:05):
I mean, it'll be on the 19thbut it's not a Friday when
albums release.
But at any rate, I think wecould potentially get the album
a year removed from Define myName and close to around the
Illmatic anniversary is myprediction.
But I could be wrong.
What say you to that, sean?

Speaker 2 (01:11:21):
That's fair, that's fair.
Oh man, what say you to that,sean?
That's fair, that's fair.
You're talking about shoot, webought less than a month from
then.
That's the case.
So that means we're ramping upreally heavy right now.
I don't know, man, I don'tthink we get it then.
I don't think we get it then.
I think that we're going to getit.
I think, more summer, maybegoing to the fall.

(01:11:45):
This is that type of type ofvibe.
You know it's hard to determine, because they're doing it the
right way.
In my opinion, they're notgiving you flat out, you know,
cookie crumbs to lead you to thedestination, right, and I don't
think, as a fan base, we shouldwant that.
Right, and I don't think, as afan base, we should want that.
We want them to lock in.

(01:12:06):
We want this thing to be right.
Because what if we get stufffrom Abdi first, with Nas
producing and you know, kind ofgetting things ramped up on
there?
What if we get some good verseson there to ramp them up?
Right, you want to build theright anticipation for it.
Because what if we get a Rayalbum, another Ray album,
because it's rumored that Ray isworking on an album and he said

(01:12:29):
he has a Ray listening session.
What if you get a verse onthere where him, ray and Ghost
doing something like a I don'tknow a part two, you know, to
the classic joint that they hadon Q-Millie?
What if we get that Verbal hadon Cuban League?
What if we get that River Indycourse part two?
Just, you know, spitballing it.
So what if we did that?
What if we get another you knowclassic look from him to ramp

(01:12:52):
things up.
Now we're building upanticipation.
We've been up to anticipationBecause, as Cooper always said,
we were waiting for this foralmost a year now.
So you know, not close to ayear.
Now let's make a deal.
Let's get some classic features, some classic guns, and then

(01:13:14):
let's cross the head, that's it.

Speaker 1 (01:13:19):
Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
I hope they you know what I'msaying.
Hope they you know what I'msaying Do take their time
Because it's a lot riding onthis album.
You know what I'm saying.
I'd be lying if I said it, if Ididn't say it was.
But yeah, so you know, I knowwe wanted to rush the process
and hurry and get the album outlast year To keep the streak
alive, because you know we wasgetting Nas releases consecutive

(01:13:41):
Since 2020.
But at the end, the streakalive, because you know we was
getting Oz releases consecutivesince 2020, but at the end of
the day, it's better that theytake their time with this one.

Speaker 2 (01:13:49):
What's in your cool?

Speaker 1 (01:13:52):
I wonder how back into the beat folder they're
going.
Like I was always, I'm hesitantabout this project because I'm
mindful of their legacies aboutthis project because I'm mindful
of their legacies.
And when I mean I'm mindful oftheir legacies, I'm very, very
clear on the fact that if youdon't think that these guys are
top five at their respectivecrafts all time, objectively I

(01:14:15):
don't know how much of your hiphop opinion I can necessarily
like trust, because they justhave done too many important
things to the culture and sopredecessors that would have
them lower or people after thatwould have them lower.
I really can't agree with that.
Even though both of you guys docome from our era, so to speak
Primo kind of precedes our era alittle bit more I'm just really

(01:14:40):
, really worried about theirlegacy more than anything else,
and so I don't want a projectthat makes people go oh, they
could have kept that.
And so I think it's important,like the start of this album is
going to be one of the moreimportant start to a rap album
in recent memory in terms of howit captures people's attention

(01:15:02):
and sets expectations, becauseyou do have to understand that
for most people who have heardNas in the first time that they
heard him.
Oh, they heard him over a primobeat.
They heard him on New YorkState of Mind first.
That was special to peoplebecause Illmatic was one of
those albums that all of us weretold to buy without us being

(01:15:22):
familiar with the artist or therecords.
Like we were just told that itwas it.
You know, like that, that'skind of how I found out about it
.
I'd never heard him Like when I, when I remember listening to
New York state of mind for thefirst time and being like, oh my
fucking God, like what, what,what?
What is like, what is thisthat's going on that album,

(01:15:43):
those two specifically inrelationship to that album.
That song in particular hassuch a big effect on hip-hop
culture when we look at thecraft of emceeing guys and so
anything that doesn't like youknow, and so you have to be
mindful about about thatstarting off the album.
So I'm just funny about thenuances of so many things.

(01:16:04):
I mean seeing the calendarlined up with uh, with the ghost
and array and with mob, likethat makes me smile.
That lets me know that thethinking is along the lines of
uh.
That lets me know that they'redoing this for the fans.
You know, somebody tweeted it'san old-ass Disneyland.
Yeah Right, I saw that.

Speaker 2 (01:16:27):
It's like nigga, I want to go to Magic.

Speaker 1 (01:16:28):
Nas is showing how to navigate, being an older artist
in this generation, and he'sputting other artists of his era
that were his peers on his backand bringing them along for the
ride.
You know what I'm saying.
He's like pioneering this in alot of ways, cause who else has

(01:16:50):
done this?
No, I, I agree with you guys.
I mean, he's a trendsetterabout so many things, guys, but
we often have conversations andwe always taper it back to the
music and you know, like I'llsay this respectfully, dj

(01:17:10):
Premier has had moments in themodern-day era, but this album
needs to be a moment and if he'sgoing to be the only beat maker
that's supplying the beats, Iam a little concerned about him
being able to supply that momentbecause he hasn't supplied us
with that moment since.
Moment of truth, guys, that was1998.

(01:17:31):
Right, you bring up aninteresting point that I want to
ask you all about, um, beforewe leave this topic.
Coop, you said you wonder howfar back in the folder that
they're going.
What would y'all's response beto that?
If the album comes out and it'sgreat, and Primo says yo, I
went back into my folder of oldbeats that was collecting dust

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from like 98, 99, and I tinkeredwith them a little bit and put
them on here and then, you know,nas just did his thing on him.
Would you think that would becheating?
Because I personally that washis.
You know, moment of truth, era98 was Primo at his finest hour,
but I want to see where Primocan cook up in 2025, for not, I

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really do.
How would y'all feel if hewould say, okay, yeah, I got
this from my folder from 20 plusyears ago and you know, I think
that would be cheap a littlebit.
Sean, you want to handle thatright quick.
What are your thoughts?

Speaker 2 (01:18:32):
You got it.

Speaker 1 (01:18:34):
Okay.
So I'll tell you what BlackRob's manager used to tell me.
The only people that know thatyour shit's old is you and your
camp, and they're the onlypeople who care that it's old
too, and over a course of time Ifound that to be very true.
He told me that when I wasstill actively rapping, because
I was re-recording a song inatlanta that I had actually

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recorded in california threeyears before.
But when he heard me redo thesong, I was feeling funny about
redoing it and he was like poop,he's like nobody cares.
He's like you know how many badboy niggas done redid songs
that you ain't never even knownlike the song got redid.
He's like nobody cares.
He's like only your crew knowthat the song is old.
He's like you know I'm sayinghe's like now drop that shit.
You know what I'm saying?
Just like yeah, yeah.

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So that's how.
That's how I feel about it.
I look at it from theperspective of somebody that you
know that used to manage aplatinum artist shared with me.
He's like no, he's like niggasdon't care about that, and
proceeded to give me old bad boybeats that other niggas hadn't
rapped over yet or had rappedover, and Right, yeah, whatever
motivates you People have tounderstand this Like when you're

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in the studio on a regularbasis, it's whatever motivates
you.
And that's what I mean abouthim being the only producer and
going back into an old folder isbecause when I actually did my
second album, most of the stuffthat I rapped over was actually
beats the other cats in my campdidn't want to rap over and I

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was like I'll rap over those.
Like the producers that were inour camp, like they were giving
guys beats and they're like Idon't want to rap over that and
I was like get that shit here.
That's how I picked shit,because I had to dig through
shit to find shit to rap throughthe camp.
Because I was working full time.
Most of my niggas was hustling.
They was in the studio all thetime.
So when I pulled up, a lot ofthe good beats was gone so I had
to go into old folders.
Yeah, it's just some rap shit.
It's like sometimes you justpick the inspiration for

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whatever you can get it from.
You know what I'm saying.
And both of their things thatthey do extremely well is the
nostalgic thing.
So I would think those oldfolders.
I would love to hear themactually pull some shit.
Wouldn't it be dope on thisalbum if we got an old Gangstar
song that Guru and Primo neverfinished, but Guru was still on
it, but Primo and Nas kind oftweaking and redoing.

(01:20:47):
You know what I'm saying?
I want to hear me as anold-head.
Disneyland ass nigga wants tohear shit like that.
I do.
That's fair.
Go ahead, sean.
I have one thought, but goahead.

Speaker 2 (01:20:59):
If that, like you said, I Go ahead.
Sean, I have one thought but goahead.
If that, like you said, is acheat, I'm okay with that,
because if that's if we're goingto get that version of them
we've heard that version of them, we love that version of them
and that's one of the biggestcomplaints that a lot of Nas
fans have.
They want to get that versionof Nas.
I mean Nas and Cream.
That introduced him to theworld of Nas and Cream.

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So if he has that in his tongueand he's going to reproduce
that and bring it 2025, I'm okaywith that.
I don't care if it's a cheatcode.

Speaker 1 (01:21:30):
I'm okay with that.
Yeah, I mean, y'all's pointsare valid.
Y'all are changing my opinion alittle bit and I thought of one
reason why I guess it wouldn'tbe that bad If they did that.
I wouldn't want to know itthough, right, I wouldn't want
them to reveal that to thepublic.
And two, we would have no wayof knowing.
I'm just holding primo to thestandard, but if I got to keep

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it all the way real, we wouldhave no way of knowing if Nas
went into his ROM book from 98.
But I mean, ag, ag, here's thething about it too.
I think, at least in our case,your ear is probably astute
enough that, oh no, you're gonnahear if that old you're gonna
hear it like you're gonna hearit, like you're gonna be able to

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know part of what we talk aboutwith the knobs and the hit boy
run is how fresh the soundsounds for nods.
You're gonna be able to tell ifit's some old, because, because
we've talked about how whatHit-Boy did that was so
remarkable is take something oldand make it sound fresh and new
.
Well, what these guys need todo is actually take something

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old and make it sound fresh andnew, and that's why I said I
wanted Hit-Boy around the waythat Preem was around for some
of this Hit-Boy stuff that wentdown.
I would like for Hit to bearound for the stuff that
Preem's doing, absolutely,because I feel like it's a good
balance and I feel like it's agood working relationship.
It's good chemistry and I likehaving the young guy in the room
or the younger guy in the roomthat can be like no, no, no, you

(01:23:07):
niggas is cool, but you're justa little bit too old.
It'd be the sound like this.
Now you know what I'm sayingabsolutely, absolutely.
Now.
Here is one thing about thisthat I think people here's one
thing that I think people aremissing, and I started noticing
this trend probably about twoyears ago.
On don't worry, die too, thatold, nostalgic 80s style sound
has started to come back.
I call it the miami vice sound,where it's like everything
sound like crockett and tubbsabout to come arrest all the
niggas in the room, but thatthat style and that sound has

(01:23:30):
come back a little bit pre isfrom that era that precedes us.
And that's what I mean abouttaking something old.
I mean even taking somethingold by their standards, by our
hip-hop standards.
Not like the 92, 93, 94Gangstar stuff.
No, like the 88, 89, 90 stuff.
You know what I'm saying.
Taking that and freaking it,taking some of those beat

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folders and going over it again.
That's what I'm talking about.
I'm not talking about takingthe shit that was left on the
cutting room floor after MassAppeal got made Gotcha.
I'm not talking about taking,like, the shit that was left on
the cutting room floor aftermass appeal got made.

Speaker 2 (01:24:04):
You know, gotcha Right.
I'm more looking forward to thecontent, because one of the
things that I loved about theMagic series and the KD series
is the content.
What Nas was talking about, hewas talking in the present.
Everything he was talking aboutin the Magic and KD series he
was giving you a reflection, hewas giving you a hindsight, he

(01:24:25):
was giving you history, but hewas more so talking about
everything that's happening inthe present.
He made it sound fly, made itsound dope.
He wasn't talking about thingsthat other rappers are talking
about, that's around or whatever.
He's talking about his life andhe made it fly, he made it dope
.
He's talking about one of myfavorite songs off of.
He's talking about his life andhe made it fly, he made it dope
he's talking about.
You know, like you know, one ofmy favorite songs off of Magic
3 was just him talking AutistMm-hmm.

(01:24:49):
Yep, he's an OG.
He's talking about being an OGand how he's got to get back to
the art flow.
You know what I mean.
You're talking about Fever whenhe's talking about turning,
he's about his birthday.
No-transcript, we good, we'regood.

Speaker 1 (01:25:27):
It's the content that drives me more than anything
else and a lot of people werereally messing with that Rock
Marcy joint, the Armani section.
I thought it was a pretty goodtrack.
I wasn't going crazy over it,but a lot of people was like, yo
, this is the bag you need to bein for the Nas album, and I was

(01:25:50):
personally thinking that jointis pretty tough, but I don't
think it would be tough enoughto make the cut on the Nas album
.
It depends like.
Here's something that we needto be mindful of too nas doesn't
need a lot, guys.
He works the best with minimalinstrumentation, not

(01:26:11):
overproducing.
That's why nazir is one of hisworst albums, right?
But that's also why I'm like no, no, no, don't dig up some of
that old like boom bap, ass beatbreak.
You know what I mean, becausethat's that's what that's where
he thrives.
He doesn't need.
He doesn't need a lot.
You know what I mean.
Like you can like.
How about this?
When I listen to white label,it's like, oh no, if frank can

(01:26:34):
give him white labels, I thinkwe'll be good.
That's my favorite record onthat album.
But you feel me like but, butstyle wise and beat-wise, that's
that pocket.
It's like, oh no, he thrives onthat sparse instrumentation as
well as anybody who ever lived.
And so it's like, if it'ssparse, but the bass is heavy
and the drums are kicking andthe snare and the hi-hats are

(01:26:55):
snapping and it sounds dope,it's like we're going to
gravitate to it.
So it's not like we're going togravitate to it.
So it's not like I'm asking him.
It's not like we're asking himto do a stellar job.
We are asking him to do theright job, though.

Speaker 2 (01:27:04):
That's it, that's it.

Speaker 1 (01:27:09):
You know Like no, no, no.

Speaker 2 (01:27:10):
So I think I was listening to Nasir a couple
weeks ago and I was thinkinglike I'd be's a good barometer,

(01:27:31):
because I don't want to like, Idon't, I don't want to compare
what Nas and Cream are doing towhat Hit and him did, because
that's what people did to Hitabout.

Speaker 1 (01:27:34):
Yeah, correct.
So it's not fair to do it inreverse.
You can't have it on, you can't.
You can't tell me that heads isunfair and then tell me the
tails isn't.
That heads is unfair, and thentell me that tails isn't, and so
it's the other way around too,so I think.
Right.
So I think something like awhite label is something that we
can look at pre-Hit Boy, butstill in Nas' pocket, but still
in Pre's pocket, production-wise.

Speaker 2 (01:27:53):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (01:27:54):
So, if it's full of white labels, I'm okay.

Speaker 2 (01:27:59):
Yeah, that's fair and fellas.
The fact that he's around someof his peers, around Hacker,
around Ray Paul, around Ghost.
That gives me encouragementbecause you got some high-level
MCs and guys from that era tocourse-correct where needed.
When you're collaborating likethat, that's what made Jay so
successful.

(01:28:19):
When you're in the studio withBeans, you're in the studio with
Sauce Money in the verybeginning.
You're in the studio with Kanyebeing as creative as he is.
You're being in the studio withState Property.
That's going to bring out thatcreativity that's going to help
you get over that hump and helpyou get that extra oomph in the
back right Pause.
And that's what I think youhave in someone like a habit.

(01:28:41):
Ray Kwan, you know Gold's facePeople that he's grown up with
in the game, and you got Preenright there who's telling you
ready nods and ready Preen.
You've got all of this stuffaround you.
You've got to get the bestversion.

Speaker 1 (01:28:57):
Yeah, they don't need to cook it in the studio,
reminiscing the old stories.
Here is the thing, though guysIf they do a full album together
, there do have to be at leastone or two all-time classic
joints on there.
That's where the real pressurelies.
They got it.
I mean everybody.
We do all understand that theyneed to make at least two or

(01:29:22):
three songs that rival stuffthat they've made before in
order for this to even be asuccess, so to speak, and so
there's still some very intensepressure on, because their
level's a little different.
Their level's Memory Lane andNas is Like and Represent and
New York State.
No, that level's different.
And do not tell me that youabout to listen to an album full

(01:29:43):
of second childhood.
So when I'm talking about theyclassic stuff, I'm talking about
the high end classic stuff.
I'm not talking about secondchildhood or come and get me off
Nostradamus.
Nah, there need to be two orthree records on there that's
floating, that give you thefeeling of a Memory Lane or a
Nas is like or New York State ofMind.
Yes, they do have to do that.
They do Because to whom much isgiven, much is expected.

(01:30:05):
And if he's the greatest MC ofall time, and if he's one of the
two or three greatest producersof all time, well then guess
what you gotta give us.
That's fair.
That's fair Because Snoop andDre have the chronic and doggy
style.
My nigga, they do.

Speaker 2 (01:30:20):
They, snoop and Dre, have the chronic and doggy style
my nigga they do they do?

Speaker 1 (01:30:24):
So they get to coach.
Nope, nope, that was my wholepoint.
So they get to have amissionary, they get to do that
shit.
All jokes aside, though, theyget to do that for the rest of
their career, because they madethe chronic and doggy style.

Speaker 2 (01:30:37):
Who gives a damn?

Speaker 1 (01:30:38):
That's like the Dave Chappelle joint, where he's
talking about Michael Jackson,but he made Thriller.

Speaker 2 (01:30:42):
But he made Thriller.

Speaker 1 (01:30:44):
Every time somebody talk about like I don't like
Snoop like that, I'll be like hemade Doggy Style and the
Chronic you don't get to saythat out loud in hip-hop circles
it's like I don't fuck withSnoop like that.
He made the Chronic and DoggyStyle yes, you do.
I think we missed the mostencouraging part of the calendar

(01:31:04):
For me anyways, and we haven'ttalked about it the fact that
all this time is blocked off toyou know and they've probably
been doing sessions before now,but I know Nas was touring it
just makes me feel morecomfortable that they're going
to be in the studio together.
This album wouldn't work withPrimo sending Nas tracks.

(01:31:25):
Let's call that what it is.
It makes me feel morecomfortable that they're going
to be in the studio together.
That was one of those thingsthat I don't think that they
were going to get away withanyway, ag, quite frankly, like
we wasn't about them, like doingaway with that, it's like, oh,
you sending them shit, we don'twant it, send it back.

(01:31:46):
Right, that was going to be theresponse of the fan base and
they both knew that already, sothat I don't even think that was
ever on the table.
I do actually think the weightis about us and the fact that
they knew that if word were toget out and the word would get
out that they were sendingtracks and not sitting in the
studio that we would have fit,and they were like, let's wait
until we can sit down.
So I will say as much as I'vebeen like low key, like talking
shit about the weight, theweight's actually about us, it

(01:32:07):
is, it's about the base, it'sabout the base of people.
That's about the like, likefall in love with it instantly
and they've been waiting to hearit so long.
If we were to hear recording,like you know, quite frankly, in

(01:32:28):
a traditional format wherepeople are sending stuff while
you're on tour and stuff, wewould feel disappointed.
We would big, big facts and youknow the fact that they, you
know, because people forgetmemory lane and, uh, new york
state of mind and those jointswas created because naz was in
the studio helping him pick outthe samples, the chop.
He was naz was digging in thecrates with Pring.
I mean to be honest with you,that's what really.
I mean, most of your great,most of your all-time great
rappers kind of already have avision, and so the producer that

(01:32:51):
like that they really work withis the person that kind of like
lets them participate on theproduction side of the vision as
much.
You know what I'm saying.
So you hear a lot of storiesabout the rapper like I mean
because I mean not not to bringit up and you know, to bring
sean down a notch, but jay-z didsimilar things with cream on
friend or foe, where preemwouldn't finish with the beat

(01:33:13):
and jay was like the beat's doneand preem's like but no, I got
more shit.
Jay's like nah, I like it.
Like that, yeah, like that'show I want to rap to it.
It's like no, your great MCshave a vision for themselves,
and Nas is one of those people,obviously, and so that's what I
mean about going through the oldfolders and stuff like that.

(01:33:34):
That's the type of thingthat'll activate somebody like
Nas and make him hone in hisvision, because he is legendary
MC, legendary thinker, yeah.
And that's how they think yeah,to that point, jay-z came up
with the drop for a million andone into Rom, no More.
Jay-z came up with that likelook Primo.

Speaker 2 (01:33:52):
I want you to do this .

Speaker 1 (01:33:53):
You know, yeah, I have a record that I never
released that actually took aNas and Rakim sample, but I had
the samples intertwined and Ihad the producer mix it together
.
But it was my idea you knowwhat I'm saying Because I had a
vision for the record.
You know what I'm saying.
And I had had a vision for therecord before I had even started
recording regularly.

(01:34:14):
So I was like, can you do this?
And he was like that's fuckinggreat.
He was like we're going to getsued because those two samples
are never going to go.
Anyway, it goes on the cooplost tapes.

Speaker 2 (01:34:35):
Volume five.

Speaker 1 (01:34:39):
So you're about ready for this last segment gentlemen
, yes, sir, sir, let's get itall right.
So this last segment, um, youknow, the anniversary of uh we
don't trust you, like we spoketo earlier was march 22nd, um of
uh of last year and it got meto thinking.

(01:35:01):
That is what started the wholeKendrick and Drake beef.
And then you know, we're a yearremoved from that.
But Kendrick, as far as hispersonal run that he's been on,
this onslaught started on thatdate when he dropped like that,

(01:35:21):
when he's featured on like that.
So that got me to thinking,because a lot of people are
saying kendrick, over this pastyear, has had the best year
we've ever seen for a solo actin hip-hop.
So I just started going through, like you know, my mental,
mental rolodex in my head andtrying to think of a lot of
people that had comparable yearsor better, and what I mean by

(01:35:44):
that is fiscal years.
For those of you who don't knowwhat a fiscal year is, it's not
necessarily a calendar yearJanuary through December I'm
talking about from the time thatyour run starts, 365 days until
it ends.
And with Kendrick, he startedon that March 22nd date and ran
all the way through this year.
So that was the litmus test tocompare other rappers to, and

(01:36:08):
kendrick has a strong case forhaving one of the best years in
hip-hop history.
I'm not arguing against that.
But what I wanted to do was gothrough 10 other rappers who've
had comparable or maybe betteryears, because in the social
media era, everything ismagnified right and back then a

(01:36:29):
rapper might have had a fiscalyear that was so major.
In present day we don'tremember how heavy that was.
So that was the whole premisebehind this concept to really do
a deep dive on some fiscalyears that some rappers had.
So, as we get into that, I gotan honorable mention.
That I want to.

(01:36:50):
The way I want to do this isI'm going to just read off the
stats in the fiscal years and Iwant you two gentlemen to react
and talk about how heavy thatfiscal year was, if that's all
right with y'all.
Talk about how heavy thatfiscal year was, if that's all
right with y'all.
So, to start out, we got thishonorable mention.
This was a heavy year and it'snot even making our top ten list

(01:37:12):
and, granted, the top ten isnot going to be in any
particular order, this is justten that Phil had the heaviest
years, but the honorable mentionis Notorious.
Big you know what I'm saying andHoop alluded to earlier.
The work that he put in on HoopOrshon alluded to his work in

(01:37:33):
97, the features on the Bad Boysorry, the Puffy album, no Way
Out and everything hecontributed during that time.
I'm not counting that because Ilook at that personally as more
of a negative than a positivebecause he never got to enjoy
the fruits of his labor becausehe was taken from us in March of

(01:37:57):
97.
So if anybody wonders why I'mnot including that, it's for
that reason alone, because theimpeccable run that he went on
with those features, as well ashis own double album, he wasn't
even here for that.
So I think that's a majornegative as far as that's
concerned.
But I do have another point intime for Big as an honorable

(01:38:18):
mention and I'm going to readthrough the stats.
Point in time for Big as anhonorable mention and I'm going
to read through the stats thatfiscal year runs September 13,
1994 through September 13, 1995.
On September 13, 94, he droppeda classic album, ready to Die.
We all know that.
On February 21, 1995, hedropped a controversial and

(01:38:39):
classic single who Shot Ya?
On march 27th 1995 he was ontotal's debut single.
Can't you see off the newjersey drive soundtrack, which
is one of big's best features.
On june 6 1995 the one morechance, stay with Me remix came

(01:39:01):
out, which is Big's biggestrecord.
And on August 29th 1995, theConspiracy album came out by
Junior Mafia which Big wrotemajority of that album and he
was on like Coop alluded to.
Coop talked about this onMirror Music.
Big contributed a lot to hitson other people's albums so that

(01:39:24):
album boasted Get Money andPlayer's Anthem on those records
and he wrote the majority ofthe album anyway.
So that's the fiscal year.
For a Big.
That's an honorable mention.
Gentlemen, would you like toreact to that?
Can't wait to see your top 10list.
If he didn't make it, thatwould be the only thing I have

(01:39:46):
to tell you.
That's a heavy year.

Speaker 2 (01:39:49):
That's a heavy year.
I don't know the top 10 betterbe good.

Speaker 1 (01:39:54):
I mean because when you said that it's like now, I'm
thinking about all thoseremixes.

Speaker 2 (01:40:01):
Yeah, that's hard, that's a heavy year, that's a
heavy year.

Speaker 1 (01:40:08):
He's in the background.

Speaker 2 (01:40:09):
So much that year, though.
He's like that's a heavy yearMajor.

Speaker 1 (01:40:17):
Yeah, major, and when I tried to put together this
list, it was a lot of differentfactors.
Commercial success was part ofthe rubric critical acclaim,
accolades, things outside ofmusic because, like I said,
kendrick was the measuring stick.
You know what I'm saying.
So, like this 10 is not in anyparticular order, but this is

(01:40:38):
the 10.
So I'm going to kick it offwith Kendrick Lamar's year, that
he had fiscal year March 22nd,24 through March 22nd of this
year.
So I'm going to read offeverything he did.
Feature verse of the year of2024 would like that Beats Drake
in the head-to-head battle.
He also had the legendarypop-out show June 19th 2004.

(01:41:01):
He dropped the surprise albumGNX on November 22, 2004.
At the 2005 Grammy Awards, hewins five Grammys for Not Like
Us, clean Sweet.
He headlined a Super Bowl 59halftime show on February 9,

(01:41:22):
2025.
During this year he became themost streamed rap artist on
Spotify, passing up Drake andthis is not falling within his
fiscal year, but he announced it.
He's slated to do the stadiumtour with SZA starting in April.
So I've got that as anhonorable mention for his,
because the tour is not going on, but he announced it and
created a lot of excitement.
So, with that rundown, what doyou have to say about Kendrick's

(01:41:44):
year that he had?
I can concur with that.
Yeah, I mean it's hard toignore what the stats and what
the facts say.
I would say that when you talkabout 10 Best Artist Fiscal Year
, talk about 10 best artistsfiscal year.

(01:42:05):
One of the things that reallyworries me is is that you talked
about a lot of things and verylittle about his album.
I do like it when classicalbums are attached to your
moment, and gmx is not that, andso while I would tell you that
this is is valid, the gmx notbeing a classic album does hurt
it still, in my opinion.
If we're talking about the 10best fiscal years because I'm
pretty certain that most of yourfiscal years have a classic rap

(01:42:26):
album attached to them, verymuch so.
But the reason why he's here isbecause he was the inspiration
before the for the whole thing,so we're seeing how it stacks up
to that.
That's fair what you got, seanno, I agree with Kool.

Speaker 2 (01:42:40):
The album is like it's a catalyst.
If you're talking about yearover year for a fiscal year and
if the album is not a certifiedclassic, then I do think that
carries a lot of weight to the.
You know to take that weightdown or take that weight up.
If it's a classic, like theaccolades are definitely there,

(01:43:02):
singles are definitely there,but, like we said what I did,
the honorable mention theydidn't have an album during that
time.
He was contributing to a lot ofother albums, a lot of features
, but none of those albums orfeatures that he contributed to
really the albums he contributedto, weren't certified classics.
So that is a factor.

Speaker 1 (01:43:23):
AG, let me ask you something, and I'm not trying to
be funny or slick when I saythis at all Are any of your
other top 10 fiscal rap yearsembodied in any sort of beef
with an artist who was biggerthan them at the time of the
beef starting?
Yes, okay, yeah, okay.
Now I'm really fascinated bythe list.
All right, all right.

(01:43:43):
So moving on.
So the number two person.
Like I said, this is not anorder, we're just doing the 10.
Matter of fact, we're going topost the list on socials and let
y'all rank the order onethrough 10.
Who you think got the bestfiscal year?
You know what I'm saying.
So y'all can engage with thistopic.
I'm saying so y'all can engagewith this topic.
But next up I got the legendaryTupac Shakur.
His fiscal year began March 14th1995 through March 14th 1996.

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His vital statistics are MeAgainst the World was released
on March 14th 1995 while he wasserving a prison sentence.
The album went number one onthe charts and it reached double
platinum certification while hewas in jail.
Despite him not being able tobe in his promotional singles

(01:44:29):
Three singles for that album,dear Mama, so Many Tears and
Temptations.
He's not even in those videosbecause he's serving a jail
sentence and the album stillgoes double platinum while he's
in jail, close to triple Octoberof 95, he's bailed out of jail
by shooting night and signs theDeath Row Records and then he
releases the classic doublealbum, hip-hop's first double

(01:44:52):
album.
That is on February 13, 1996.
And it went number one on thecharts.
The great Tupac Shakur, whaty'all got to say about that year
?

Speaker 2 (01:45:03):
Cool.

Speaker 1 (01:45:05):
Two classic albums Hold on hold on Arguably in this
time.
Two classic albums Madearguably hip-hop's most classic
song in this time.
You get what I'm saying abouthow, when you're talking about
like an all-time great rap year,it's like oh, this, this right

(01:45:26):
here is an all-time up thereGreat one year.
Yeah, this might be the one.
Like when I was thinking aboutyour list AG, this was actually
the one that I was thinkingabout the most.
I'm like this might be the bestyear, cuz nobody made two
albums this good in a one-yearstretch in rap's history.
In my opinion, not this good,not to the level that both of

(01:45:47):
these albums are, but also hasthe notoriety.
The record sales on both albumslike me against the world ends
up going quadruple platinum.
Ag it's triple platinum by thetime he's getting out of jail
ends up going quadruple.
All eyes on me does another sixmil, so that's ten mil off the
two albums.
Both of them are rap classics.
Some of the most classic rapsongs on single and streetwise

(01:46:10):
that you'll find are on thesetwo records.
It might be the best fiscalyear that a solo rap artist has
ever had.
I'm gonna be hard pressed tofind one better than you it
checks every box it does, andalso too and listen, I'm going
to be hard pressed to find onebetter than you.
It checks every box.
It does Also too and listen towhat I'm about to say Went from
superstar to icon in this momentin time too.

(01:46:30):
Absolutely, superstar to icon Atransition, yes.

Speaker 2 (01:46:36):
It checks everything Story storylines, controversy,
classic album, classic momentAnything you can ask for.
It's a changing of the guard,it's a trendsetter, it's a
trailblazer All of those thingsare synonymous with this.
So yeah.
It's pop.

(01:46:57):
This is where pop became thelegend Absolutely.

Speaker 1 (01:47:01):
That year.

Speaker 2 (01:47:03):
That year over year, is where Pop became the legend.
Absolutely that year.

Speaker 1 (01:47:06):
That, year over year, is when Pop became the legend.
In that year's time he wentfrom rap superstar to legend.
In that one year's time.
Big facts, Big facts Next up,moving on.
This is the third entry.
We have DMX, His fiscal yearranging from May 19, 1998 to May
19, 1999.

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On May 19, 1998, he releaseshis classic debut album it's
Dark and Hell is Hot.
It went number one on thecharts on November 4, 1998.
He starred in his debut featurefilm, Belly, which is a classic
Out of the gate.
He's a movie star as well as aclassic album under his belt.

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After that he releases hisclassic sophomore album, Flesh
of my Flesh, Blood of my Blood,on December 22nd 1998 and went
number one on the charts.
Then he co-headlined Hard KnockLife Tour with Jay-Z in March
of 99 through May of 99, whichwas hip-hop's biggest selling

(01:48:12):
tour at the time.
And also on April 27th 1999, hewas one of the headline artists
for the first Rough Riderscompilation, Volume 1, which a
lot of people hold thatcompilation very high.
So, General, what do you haveto say to DMX's fiscal year?
It's another strong one.

Speaker 2 (01:48:36):
To me that's just as strong as Pox, maybe it's up
there for different reasons,Because again, it's just as
strong as Pox.
Maybe it's up there fordifferent reasons Because, again
, it's another change in theguard.
He took us out the Chinese suitera.
He brought the streets backDropping Su.
Arguably, would you guysconsider both these Apple
Classic I do, or close to.

Speaker 1 (01:49:01):
I think it's DMX's only no I will put.
And then there was X as aclassic.
I think DMX has three, I thinkhe has three, I think.
And then there was X is reallygreat, but it's not a classic.
I think Flesh of my Flesh isbarely a classic, and when I
mean barely.
There are some songs over thereon that album where it's just

(01:49:23):
like well, he is just sostriking and brilliant as a
writer and two-talk like.
It's the beats that didn't agewell, it's the beats, it's the
production.
It's Swiss, but he's prettydamn special on there.
I would tell you, ag, it'sfunny that you were missioning
these two fiscal wrap yearsafter the Kendrick year, because

(01:49:44):
when you told me that you weredoing this list, these were the
two years that I thought offirst out my head, and that was
Tupac's calendar year and DMX'scalendar years.
I would probably personallyhave these years one and two
respectively, and here's why Iwould put Tupac ahead.
Although Flesh of my Flesh is aclassic, I think you can dispute

(01:50:06):
the production.
You can dispute the productionon Me Against the World as well,
and I say this with nodisrespect to DMX.
That lets you know how specialSpace Pac was in when he wrote
the songs that are on me againstthe world, because it actually
has some of the same productionissues that flesh of my flesh

(01:50:27):
has.
But song wise is holding up somuch better because, quite
frankly, pock is a better writerthan everybody else.
You know what I'm saying.
It's just like, at the end ofthe day, even even for dmx, in
dmx's brightest moment, it no,no, like POC's weak production
moment is better than your weakproduction moment as far as
classic material and the natureof the classic songs, like DMX

(01:50:49):
is, best song out of that, outof those sets of songs might be
like get at me, dog, stop beinggreedy, damien.
Uh, slip in and it's like asmuch as brilliant as those
records are.
No, that's not beating DearMama and California Love and so
many tears, and I ain't mad atyou, it's not.
There are levels to this Tupac.
It's at the highest fuckinglevel, even for DMX, and so that

(01:51:12):
would be my one in two yearsprobably.
And I'm glad you said thatbecause that's speaking on what
the albums are about.
But Tupac being locked up, dmxgot the caveats of being able.
Said that because that'sspeaking on what the albums are
about.
But pock being locked up, uh,dmx got the caveats of being
able to go on the major or notlife tour and co-headliner, and
he has belly out there.
Pock was a movie star as well,but during this fiscal year, him
being locked up, you know, kindof slowed down his movie role

(01:51:35):
stuff.
I mean, okay, so I I get whatyou're saying too, but this is
what I mean about becoming anicon.
When he got out of jail, mtvnews was on the set for
california.
Love like shooting scenes likethat was different for a rapper
to get that type of attention.
It was like hold on, it's likethey don't be having nothing.
Fucking video shoots on mtvnews.
It's like hold on what from mtv.

(01:51:57):
That was mtv mtv news is thatthe cal, the California Love
video shoot, giving us previewsLike no, that was different.
And so he might not have been amovie, but he was a bigger movie
star than DMX was, even thoughDMX had a movie.
That's my whole point.
That's how big he was.
It's like, oh no, he didn'thave a movie out, but he was
getting treated like he had justdropped one.

(01:52:17):
He was, yeah, he was, he was,he was, yeah, he was man.
It was like that.
And you want to know what elseI thought about when you said
that too.
It is still wild to me thatSuge was able to fly all the way
from Cali and get this niggaout of Clinton before all them
other New York guys he hadrelationships with Everybody's

(01:52:40):
like.
Why?

Speaker 2 (01:52:40):
are you mad?

Speaker 1 (01:52:43):
That would be at the core of the issue.
It's like oh all y'all know meain't nobody gonna come post
bail, but should yeah yeah itmight have you feeling like you
got set up yep right so yeah,going on to.
Next on our list we got Sean'sfavorite rapper, sean Carter,

(01:53:04):
jay-z, jay-z.
At his peak fiscal year,october 31st 2000, october 31st
2001.
He drops the.
You know what many peopleconsider a compilation album
Rock La Familia it goes numberone.
Consider a compilation albumrock live familiar it goes

(01:53:25):
number one.
Um then, I've not talked aboutenough moment in hip-hop, but
that's one of the most majormoments for me in hip-hop.
January 12, 2001.
Jay takes the rockefeller crewwith state property bleak autumn
, up to hot 97 for funk flex anddoes the freestyle sessions
over all.
Queens beats CNN, bob Deep, nasthey're going killing
everything.

(01:53:45):
And that's when you know it wasreally up when they did that
classic freestyle session.
I remember we burned that on aCD back when you could download
off Kaza and we was playing thatfreestyle session like an album
for months.
All right, that was January2001.
On June 28, 2001,.
He headlines Hot 97 Summer Jam.

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That's when he put Prodigy onthe summer jam screen,
demolished Prodigy and then heset off the battle with Nas,
asked Nas, he don't want it withHo.
And then, to top everything off, he brings Michael Jackson out
on stage.
He brings Michael Jackson outon stage September 11th 2001, at
the peak of his powers, dropsthe classic album, the Blueprint
, and receives his first everfive mic rating in the Source

(01:54:28):
magazine.
And people still went and coppedthe album and did numbers, even
though it came out on 9-11,which was a tragic day in US
history.
Fellas react to that year?
Okay, first of all, whentragedy, see and white American
needs to understand, it's aboutBlack people.
When tragedy happens to Blackpeople, we call it Friday.

(01:54:52):
Okay, the album came out onFriday.
So that's how we deal withtragedy.
It's like you know such andsuch had happened, how many
people had died.
It's like, yeah, tuesday, right, jay did numbers because jay
was big.
I will tell you that until youtold me that the blueprint
dropped, I was like I'm sittingthis album, I'm sitting this
rating, all the way in the backnext to kendrick on the on this

(01:55:13):
top 10, until you said that theblueprint dropped.
And then it made me go uh, butthe blueprint, because the
Dynasty's not enough for me.
Sending Chris and Neif and Siegup the Hot 9-7's not enough for
me.
Now the Summer Jam thing is abig deal.
So the first half of that year,ag, I'm not as big on it as
other people might be.
I don't think that it's toomuch to write home about.

(01:55:36):
Oh, but the Summer Jam withMike and you know out Mike doing
the prodigy thing and thendropping the blueprint which had
the full takeover disc with thethis included, oh no, you can
give me all that.
And that second half of theyear is enough for him to get in
that top 10.
Because when I tell peoplenobody's ever been as large in
this sphere as he's been thisside of Rocky M at the peak,

(01:56:00):
that's that moment that I'mtalking about, at the peak of
his powers.
Yes, yeah, this is it.

Speaker 2 (01:56:07):
So yeah, I'm with you on that.
Any words on your favorite nah,I mean, yeah, at the end of the
day I don't want to say it atthe end of the day J was.
He was the one, he was the one,he was the one in hip hop at
this time.
Oh, like Coop said, the firsthalf, which is more of a warmup,

(01:56:28):
but then you get to theblueprint.
That's when everything is a go,that's when everything is full
throttle.
So you're talking about a yearover year.
That first year you canprobably say, yeah, the first
half of that year he was justwarming up, but that's when he
really caught fire withBlueprint, because everything
was Blueprint was a combinationof everything that took place
before it got to Blueprint.

(01:56:49):
You're talking about the successof Volume 2, the success of
Volume 3, the dynasty.
Now you got Jay's legacystarting to kind of ramp up and
then you come back and you hitit with.
Blueprint was like the basesare loaded.
Now I'm hitting everything outthe park.
Everybody come on home.
That's blueprint to me, becausehe took a shot at Prodigy, got

(01:57:12):
the best of Prodigy God rest hissoul and he took a shot at Nas
and at that time, in real timeagain this prior to Ether we
thought that Nas was done After.
Jay did that because Jay was sopowerful and you bring in a
Michael Jackson on stage onSummer Jam stage.
He was untouchable at that timeand then he got touched.

Speaker 1 (01:57:35):
Then he got touched.
Next fiscal year AG.
So the fifth entry, like I said, no particular order, we just
going through all 10.
The fifth entry to fiscal yearis Eminem Um.
So shout out to our our cautionIf you watch it and this one's
for you.
Um, eminem, his fiscal year isMay 26, 2002 to May 26, 2003.

(01:58:00):
Um, on the 26, 2000,.
May 26, 2002, he drops thenumber one album, the Eminem
show Um.
The album is currently diamondcertified on November 8th 2002.
He stars in his uh breakout hiphop film eight mile and curates
the critically acclaimed trackuh soundtrack.
Lose yourself is one of hisbiggest records to date.

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On that soundtrack, the EminemShow album wins Grammy for Best
Rap Album of the Year.
That year, february 6, 2003,shady Aftermath signee 50 Cent
releases classic album thatEminem has featured on two
tracks and he co-executiveproduced the project with Dr Dre

(01:58:41):
.
So not only is he making dopealbums, himself starring in
feature films, but he's makingbig time executive moves.
Fellas react to Eminem's fiscalyear School year.
I actually I love this year AG.
Actually Like when you sat upthere and listed it off, like
when you started.
I was like here AG year AG.
Actually Like when you sat upthere and listed it off, like

(01:59:03):
when you started, I was likehere, ag, go with this bullshit.
Nah, man, this is prime M, thisis my favorite.

Speaker 2 (01:59:12):
M era.

Speaker 1 (01:59:13):
Well, hold on.
I was about to say, first ofall, 8 Mile's actually a dope
movie, okay.

Speaker 2 (01:59:17):
It really does.

Speaker 1 (01:59:19):
It's a dope movie.
It's a dope movie.
It really does.
It's a dope movie.
It's a dope movie with a reallydope soundtrack.
Which might have his best micperformance on there in Rabbit.

Speaker 2 (01:59:26):
Run.

Speaker 1 (01:59:27):
Yes, sir, and not only does.
This is just the soundtrack.
Not only does the soundtrackhave what might be his best mic
performance in Rabbit Run, itstill might have what is his
walkout theme music song, muchlike TI's.
What you Know Will LoseYourself would be his walkout
theme music song.
Much like TI's what you KnowWill Lose Yourself would be his
walkout theme music.
And so that would be this timetoo.
The Eminem Show.
I have come over to the trainof thought and to the thinking

(01:59:49):
that the Eminem Show is his bestalbum.
So did he make his best album,his best song, his best bar
seminar and a movie in acalendar year?
Yay, did he go diamond all theway through through some
ridiculous records?
Why did it?
No, ag, it checks off the boxes.
It's a wonderful pick.
When you got done talking, myimmediate thought was that this
might be a top five year.

(02:00:09):
And it's not.
And signed 50, had thewherewithal to say like, yes, I
want him on my roster I'm notgiving us that because we didn't
know what 50 was going tobecome yet because and
everything else he has is enough.
to me that's like feather in thecap stuff, because if you're
looking at it in hindsight, it'slike, oh, he signed 50 that
year.
Well, that year that you'resaying that, so what?
But as an executive, eminem hassigned a lot of artists over

(02:00:33):
the years and none of them havebeen able to do what 50 was able
to accomplish.
Right, that was one of hisearly moves.
If you look, that's after theearliest stuff, the D12, and
then the Obie Trice and all that.
That was his power move for hislabel.
Shady Aftermath wasn't a playerin the game until that move.

(02:00:56):
First of all, obie Trice'scheers went platinum and it's a
dope project a lot of peopledon't talk about.
That's true, they became majorplayers with that sign.
No, they did.
But this is what I'm sayingwhen and this is why I'm not
giving them credit for it oh,none of us knew when he signed
50 that 50 had turned himselfinto the greatest hook writer we

(02:01:18):
had ever seen in rap history.
Don't tell me that he knew.
Don't tell me, no, we didn'tknow.
Nobody seen it coming.
I've been listening to thatdude since like 97 I did not see
that coming right.
That's what I mean.
I'm not giving them credit forit, because what 50 really
became on that album was aboutthe hooks and the catchiness of
it.
It's like, oh no, tell me that,don't tell me that.
You've seen 50 going selling 10million.

(02:01:41):
The two cosigns help.

Speaker 2 (02:01:42):
That didn't hurt.

Speaker 1 (02:01:44):
The cosign probably got him to double or triple, but
them hooks and in the club gothim to die.
Man, yeah, he sold about six.
How about this?
I always looked at it like eventhough Emond Dre did the cosign
50 still did most of the heavylifting.
I've always given him creditfor that.
He still did most of thelifting.
He took the cosign better thananybody ever did, 100%, 100%

(02:02:05):
what you got, sean.

Speaker 2 (02:02:07):
This is a powerful year, man.
That's a powerful year.
This is a hard year to beatbecause all the success that
came along with it you got aclassic album, you got the album
sales there, the Grammys arethere, everything is there.
He's done a lot and this is,honestly, this is him leading up
again to having a great,another great album.
You're talking about what?
This is what third or fourthnumber one album in a row?

Speaker 1 (02:02:33):
third and fourth, because if you're attaching
eight miles to number one albums, this would be four.
Yeah, exactly so.

Speaker 2 (02:02:40):
So I'm talking about you.
You got the years prior to thathe was killing it, and this
year he just pretty muchcaptured everything year over
year.
So I mean, this is a hard oneto beat too.

Speaker 1 (02:02:53):
Right now.
Ag, if I was ranking the yearsthat you've given out, I would
go Tupac 1, dmx 2, eminem 3,jay-z 4, kendrick 5 you've given
out I would go tupac one, dmxtwo, m&m three, jay-z four,
kendrick five.
If I was ranking the year sofar yeah, we're halfway through,
man, we'll keep on goingthrough the list.
Um, next up, who I consider tobe the goat, nazir jones, and
because of the reason why Iconsider him to be a goat, he

(02:03:16):
has two entries.
Um, but this first one I'mgonna do kind of sort of like an
honorable mention Because Ithink it's the least heavy of
the two, but it's still a hellof a year, and shout out to
Andrew for helping me edit thisone.
We got Nas December 2.
This is most recent NasDecember 2.
Sorry.
Nas.
December 24, 2021 To December24, 2022.

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December 24, 2021 Drops theclassic album Magic for
Christmas Eve Surprise.
Then, for the 2022 GrammyAwards on April 3rd, wins his
first ever Grammy for the KD1album.
He headlined the first leg ofthe New York State of Mind Tour

(02:03:59):
with Wu-Tang Clan and the UnitedStates that ran from August
2022 to October 2022.
A very successful tour.
I went to that show.
King's Disease 3 album isreleased on November 11, 2022
and is an instant classic Incompletion of the King's Disease

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trilogy.
On November 11, 2022, nasannounced that he would headline
Madison Square Garden for aone-night-only show in February
of 2023, which doesn't fit intohis fiscal year.
But he announced that he wouldbe doing the show and then
tickets went on sale and thatshow featured the KD Trilogy in
the performance.
So that's a Nas honorablemention here.

(02:04:41):
What do y'all got to say aboutthat?
Objectively, I don't think itdeserves to be in the top 10.
Right, that's why it's anhonorable mention here, because
his for real entry would be atop 10.
What you got, sean.
It deserves to be there.
Well, when we listen to thisother one, this other one is

(02:05:03):
heavy.

Speaker 2 (02:05:04):
The degree of difficulty is what gets me.
You're talking about someonewho's arguably the GOAT right
and you're talking about him inhis what?
Third or fourth careertrimester, if you will.
Yes, and he's doing this yearover year.
No one in his peer group hasdone this before.

(02:05:27):
No, at this stage in theircareer.
A lot of them tried.
We've seen it.
We saw Buster who made someattempts at it.
These are his peer groups.

Speaker 1 (02:05:38):
I hear that you just can't sit it next to those other
years and say you definitelycan't, absolutely not.
No, I put that, you just can'tsit it next to those other years
and say you definitely can't,absolutely not.
No, I'll put it.
I'll put an asterisk besidethis one Cause this is an
honorable mention when he wasthe only one with two entries on
the list.
But this was the honorablemention when this just me being
a fan calling them to go, andit's for reasons like this.
So his actual entry, we'll getto that.

(02:05:59):
His fiscal year went December18, 2001 to December 18, 2002.

Speaker 2 (02:06:06):
I was hoping you would pick that one.

Speaker 1 (02:06:08):
I was hoping you would pick that year Drops the
classic album Stillmatic onDecember 18, 2001 and receives
his second five-mic rating inthe Source magazine.
He beats Jay-Z in the besthip-hop battle of all time.
Yes, that's the best hip-hopbattle of all time.
Yes, that's the best hip-hopbattle of all time.
It's not the biggest Because ofthe Kendrick Drake thing, but
this one is the best.
It produced two classic albums.

(02:06:28):
On September 23rd 2002 Drops theLost Tapes to critical acclaim.
Old Jim's that was alreadyclassic in the streets.
To keep the momentum going, hesaid yo, i'ma just give y'all
fans this Cause y'all beenwanting it.
And then, december 13th 2002,releases godson to critical
acclaim.
And that same week he droppedthe classic performance at

(02:06:51):
webster hall.
I think it was webster hall,the godson live, where he did
the first performance of etherbrought uh, jada, kiss and luda
on stage, that classicperformance.
So to your point, coop, we talkabout classic albums.
This one arguably producedthree classic albums.
So remember I said nobody'sdone two albums that good in one

(02:07:13):
year.
Well, I was right when I saidthat.
About two parts, I'm also right.
Well, but I'm also right whatI'm about to say, what I'm about
to say about Nas, ain't nobodymade three albums this good in
one year, right Ever.
And this is actually furtheraway than being close, than the
Tupac thing is, because Tupacdoes have DMX, his two albums to
contend with.

(02:07:33):
This three album run for me isactually him at the peak of his
powers.
As crazy as that seems, becauseit's post-Illmatic and post-it
was written, it's like atrimester, like Sean said.
But this is when.
How about this?
This is when the great MC stillexisted and he became a great
songmaker at the same time.

(02:07:54):
This is when that momenthappened.
The lyricism and the top-tierlyricism and storytelling hadn't
faded yet, but he had become abetter song maker the songs that
you find on Stillmatic and onGod's Son.
They sound more fuller and morecomplete in terms of the
thought and execution of song.
Even if the song's not better,the MC is still there.

(02:08:18):
He did take down the biggest MCat the biggest peak of his
powers in the history of rap,big notch on the belt.
He did drop a classic album.
While doing it, he did followit up by dropping a classic
album of unreleased material,showing that his beat, his
cutting floor, shit, literallyis better than your favorite

(02:08:38):
rapper's best album, which isanother feather in the cap.
And then there is God Some,which arguably has his best song
that he ever released, whichhas made you look on there.
On top of that being aborderline classic, yes, it's a
top 10.
And here's what else I wouldtell you.
Honorable mention, ag, what Iwould actually submit to you,
and I'm not sure where theactual timeline falls on it, but

(02:08:59):
I actually think you could givehim honorable mention from
about august of 1995 with thatverse on verbal intercourse off
the purple tape all the way intoaugust of 96 post it was
written coming out and some ofthe other features and stuff he
was getting, because also peopleforget this while he was
dropping that album that year hewas also on a big tour with the

(02:09:20):
fugees.
Yes, that was his mostcommercially successful year.
So many fiscal years you couldpull from Right, I would take
August 95 to August 96 on thehonorable mention over the KD
run.
Just me personally.
Magic KD thing, me personally.
Yeah, that's a good pull.

(02:09:41):
But as far as the one, the theone, it has to be this, just
because the no, I agree, this isthe one.
Yeah, this is the one.
Has to be.

Speaker 2 (02:09:49):
Has to be what you got sean no, I agree, this is
the one I.
I don't know if god's son is auniversal classic.
It's a personal classic for me.
Yeah, I hold that.
I hold that album very, very,very high personally, but I
can't concede to the fact thatit might not be a universal
classic, but I still think thatStillmatic is a classic.

(02:10:11):
You got Lost Tapes, which is aclassic, and you got Godson.
That's three stellar outputs inone calendar year.

Speaker 1 (02:10:23):
Well, how about this?
You could argue prior to thisKD magic run, that well, he made
three of his five best albumsin one year.
No, this is his best run, thisis his top five, and it was not

(02:10:51):
even up for discussion untilLife Is Good got made, and even
then was a discussion.
So you got to think about it.
It's like, oh no, it wasanother 10 years before he made
an album that even cracked theconversation of this room.
Yeah, exactly, nas fans ain'tgood during this time, after
coming off a tumultuous 1999,going into 2000.
Oh, it was great, ag, I'vegloated and I've never stopped

(02:11:14):
gloating and reminding all theJay fans that I've never stopped
reminding I'd be like hey,remember when you picked Hov,
though, be like hey.

Speaker 2 (02:11:22):
Remember when you picked Hov, though, be like hey,
remember when you picked Hov bequiet, and that's to me, that's
what gives this an extra off,because we talked about Jay and
his run and Nas is synonymouswith that year over year run
with Jay, so it's connectivetissue between that run that Jay
had and this run that Nas hadthat year over year as well,

(02:11:42):
because he took down the biggestartists in hip hop at that time
, which is not an easy feat.
To your point, coop, we relishedin that moment.
When Ether came on, my wholecrew, they got me in a circle
and all I could do is this Hissong was levitating, I was

(02:12:03):
levitating, it circled me, acrew they got, they got me in a
circle and all I could do isthis when ethan first came out,
that yo I was, I was man.
Look, we come from a great era,fellas, I was there live.
When ethan came out, I wasliterally in the club.
When it dropped, I was in v, Iwas in newport News, virginia,
bad News Virginia, and all myhomeboys were like yo, that's

(02:12:26):
your guy.

Speaker 1 (02:12:27):
And they just circled me and I just did this, the
only thing that I could equateit to, and people have to
understand this.
This is what people reallythought about Nas.
People looked at Nas aroundthis time, the way people looked
at Ali right before he beatGeorge Foreman.
It's like, oh no, we know youwas the champ, we know you was

(02:12:48):
the man, but some years havepassed and this guy is knocking
everybody out in vicious fashionand he might be the best guy
we've ever seen.
And much like like people inAli's camp were concerned oh,
people in Nas's camp wereconcerned, you understand.
And much like Ali, like likegreatest of all time people are

(02:13:10):
supposed to do, oh no, heresponded in kind with his best
shot, which is what you expectyour greats to do in every
respective field.
And so when we talk about it, Iknow, like I know the YNs be
like yo, y'all really likeoverhyping, like the J Nas thing
.
It's like no no, we're not.
It's very much, it's very.
It's very much like rope a dope, Like, in a sense it's like oh

(02:13:31):
no, I don't think you understandmuch.
Like before Ali stepped intothe ring.
Can you imagine if social mediawas around during that era.
How about this?
If social media would have beenaround for the Nas thing, he
would be the GOAT and itwouldn't even be a conversation.
If social media was around forthe Ali thing, Ali would be the

(02:13:53):
greatest figure in the historyof sports and it wouldn't even
be conversational.
That includes with MichaelJordan involved.
It's still the greatest victoryin the history of sports, in my
opinion.
People don't understand who thefuck George Foreman is.
That motherfucker had 29knockouts in 31 fights and he
knocked down Joe Frazier fourtimes.

Speaker 2 (02:14:10):
He knocked down Joe.

Speaker 1 (02:14:11):
Frazier four times Joe Frazier type of nigga you
knocked down four times Ali.
Muhammad Ali never knocked downJoe Frazier four times you
understand.
So before we move on to thenext one.
So, kuba, it sounds like you'resaying that this one is slap
boxing with Pac or DMX for thenumber one spot or number two
spot.
I'm fine, I'm fine, I wouldtell you objectively, it would

(02:14:41):
be hard for me to put it aheadof Eminem, dmx and Tupac.
Objectively, I'm looking here'sthe thing if we want to put him
that high, we're talking aboutthe craft of him seeing an album
making strictly, and thisconversation isn't totally about
that first it's commercialsuccess and he went platinum a
couple times off this stuffstill.

(02:15:02):
Matic is two times platinum.
Godson is, uh, either one ortwo times platinum and um lost
tapes it was.
You know I'm saying nopromotion behind it.
I don't know if it went gold orwhatever, but still I think, I
think I think about the classicnature of the songs.
The guy made the classic natureof the albums and taking down
Jay, I think 4 is a verycomfortable place to put him if

(02:15:23):
I were making this.

Speaker 2 (02:15:24):
I agree.

Speaker 1 (02:15:26):
Because the Eminem show is a diamond album and it
is a classic album.
8 Mile is a super big moment,guys.
It was everywhere.
We can't just ignore that.
Look at you giving him props.
I love it, man, when you gaveme the rundown, because here's
the thing about it.
Oh no, I remember Em's momentin real time.
That was a real real deal.

Speaker 2 (02:15:46):
It was.

Speaker 1 (02:15:46):
That was a real, real big deal.
Well, we still got four more togo on this list.
It might shake up a little bitmore.
So next up the sixth entry wegot hold on.
This is the seventh entry.
Sorry, we got Snoop Dogg.
Fiscal year December 15th 1992through December 15th 1993.

(02:16:09):
He's on the 15th December 15th1992.
He's the main featured artiston the classic album the Chronic
by Dr Dre, november 23rd 1993,he drops his classic album debut
Doggy Style.
That went number one onBillboard and sold over 800,000
in his first week.
That's ridiculous.
That still sounds ridiculous tosay that, man, that was 1993.

(02:16:32):
That's 1993.
That's literally the equivalentof selling like 3 million
records right now, like in aweek, like literally.

Speaker 2 (02:16:39):
You kind of alluded to this earlier equivalent of
selling like three millionrecords right now, like in a
week, like literally.

Speaker 1 (02:16:41):
Yeah, you kind of.
You kind of alluded to thisearlier, which, without knowing
that he was going to be on thislist, that I didn't know I
didn't.
I didn't know.
It was in the calendar year.
I keep forgetting that thechronic dropped in december
because dray day was out.
It felt like, like like beforethat, so long before that.
I feel like.
I feel like dray day was outthree or four months before the
chronic even even came out.
What's funny, me and Seantalked about this.

(02:17:03):
Even when the Chronic dropped,the video for Deep Cover was
still in heavy circulation.

Speaker 2 (02:17:10):
Deep Cover is one of the best rap songs ever.

Speaker 1 (02:17:12):
It's one of the best rap songs ever.
Of course it's still inrotation.
It's one of the best rap songsever.
Yeah, it's in rotation, Matterof fact.
When did he make Deep Cover?

Speaker 2 (02:17:28):
I mean, yeah, it's in rotation.
Matter of fact, when did hemake deep cover?
I?

Speaker 1 (02:17:30):
mean shit, because I mean that was april of, uh, that
was april of 92, april of 92,right, what about come december?
When was the murder?
Was the case?
Soundtrack dropped 94 it was 94.

Speaker 2 (02:17:35):
It was 94 I was that question.
I asked that one as well.
I mean, was part of it.

Speaker 1 (02:17:41):
You got the song that inspired that, you know, on
Doggystyle, though Objectivelyyou'd have to put Snoop at
number one I mean those classicsis heavy.
I mean, first of all,album-wise Commercial success.
I mean, that's what I'm sayingso here's the thing he's selling

(02:18:04):
just as many records as Tupacbefore Tupac album.
As far as classic albums, it'sthe only entry that has two of
the top ten rap albums on there,because I mean and this is
nothing against his Dark andHell is Hot and All Eyes on Me
and Me Against the World, oreven Stillmatic or Lost Tapes of
the Eminem Show none of thoseare top 10 rap albums.
Doggy Style and the Chronic aretop 10 rap albums.

(02:18:25):
Some people will try to tell youBlueprint is, but I wouldn't
say so.
No, it's not.
Those are lies.
Those are bald-headed lies.
Bald-headed lies.
Fresh cut Bald-headed lies.
Yeah, so Snoop would ChronicDoggy Style.
That is where that shit exists.

(02:18:46):
That shit did not exist beforeSnoop.
I don't care what nobody say, Idon't care what them old niggas
say before that oh, no, we wasthis.
No, you wasn't nigga, youwasn't selling no 800,000
records in a week.
Go, sit your ass down somewhere, because nobody was.
Yeah, and and.
And.
So it's actually that rare,rare moment where he had the

(02:19:06):
most record sales at the timeand he had the best music at the
time and it matched up.
That would make him number one.
He had the two classic albumsand they were actually both like
selling the best-selling rapalbums for their respective
years and they deserve to beright.
Yeah, number one, yeah what yougot, bro.
No I, it's hard to not put itthere I told you you can't

(02:19:27):
compete with the Chronic andDoggy style.
That's what I be telling niggasyou can't compete with that
shit.

Speaker 2 (02:19:32):
You got Chronic and Doggy style year over year.
Can't compete with that.
You actually you carry anentire coast.
Yep, not a city, not a state, acoast, the world.
Craig, you had the East Coastlooking at you as the top dog.

(02:19:58):
No pun intended because of allthe success, it's just the
carryover is just too much.

Speaker 1 (02:20:07):
It's so much.
It's that he had the momentback-to-back at such a high clip
.
It's just.

Speaker 2 (02:20:16):
It's insane, it's literally.

Speaker 1 (02:20:19):
How about this?
How about this?
He made more hit records onthose two albums than Big did on
his two albums, absolutely.

Speaker 2 (02:20:31):
Yeah, that's what I mean.

Speaker 1 (02:20:33):
And that's the whole purpose of this Coop.
Like, you know what I'm saying.
I know we get to be prisonersof the moment.
Like people see Kendrick's hereand they like I can't fathom
anything being bigger than that.
You know what I'm saying.
Or you know people who didn'tsee Mike play in real time and
watching LeBron like yo, I can'tfathom anybody being better
than LeBron.

(02:20:53):
Like, convince me, that's thewhole purpose of this.
Like a lot of these things, youjust had to be there for it.
And then, when you running itdown and recounting the events
of what happened, you're like,damn, like yo, it's people that
have big moments in hip-hop andthat's what we're here to do.
We're here to educate the fanbase for real.
So I mean not being funny.
Like that snoop moment is stillthe moment to me.

(02:21:15):
And it's like when, when yousaid that and this is what I
mean.

Speaker 2 (02:21:20):
It's like and you're telling me that kendrick made
this list for gmx and forbeating drake well, like because
he was the barometer, he wasright, right, so he had to be on
the list right?

Speaker 1 (02:21:32):
no, no, and I understand that.
But now look at where themeasuring stick is gone, because
now we have the chronic anddoggy style.
Well, that is a real measuringstick, with the numbers, with
the numbers attached to it Fourmillion and five million in a
calendar year respectively.

Speaker 2 (02:21:49):
It changes everything .

Speaker 1 (02:21:50):
It created a whole new ecosystem of hip-hop the
records, the album, the culture,the iconic status, the
production, the rhymes, thesing-alongs no people rolling
down the street smoke, no, thatshit.
No, everybody played that shitnon-stop, non-stop, non-stop.
Yeah, so moving on, this is anexample of this guy.

(02:22:14):
This is an example of with thisnext entry.
You just had to be there.
It was a time.
It's actually one of myfavorite times ever in hip-hop.
Like I said, it's one of thosemoments.
You just had to be there.
And that person on the list isKanye West.
Fiscal year running August 20th2010 to August 20th 2011.

(02:22:39):
What a time to be alive forGood Fridays.
That Good Friday run, droppinga track every week on Friday
from August 20th throughDecember 17th 2010.
That was a fire time rightthere.
Then he dropped that leading upto Beautiful Dark Twisted
Fantasy, which is his classicalbum.

(02:23:00):
Many people will say is hismagnum opus.
He dropped that on November 22,2010.
And then he spun the block onAugust 8, 2011 to do the collab
album with Jay-Z Watch theThrone, fellas.
What do you have to say to that?

Speaker 2 (02:23:18):
again, this is another stellar year over year,
because I think this is alsothis year.
When I was putting together thevisuals for this year and I was
typing everything out, a coupleof things came to mind.
I said this is the year.
This year over year was whenKanye became a megastar.
This is when he really ascendedinto a whole different

(02:23:41):
stratosphere.
And I also think this is alsoyear over year that Kanye got
crazy.
All of that success, all thatsuccess and all that creativity
that he was doing that year overyear.
Everything else he did beforethis year was really great, but
this was such a strong andpivotal year for year.

(02:24:02):
Everything else he did beforethis year was really great, but
this was such a strong andpivotal year for Kanye.
It gave him two differentthings.
It gave him mega stardom, butit also gave him that mega ego,
that ego that drove him the wayhe is now, because this is where
he made that hard transition,that hard pivot into everything.
And that's when he was out ofhere.
We didn't get old Kanye Lakeregistration anymore, we didn't

(02:24:25):
get College Dropout anymore andwe damn sure didn't get my
Beautiful Dark Fantasy anymore.
We got a whole differentversion of Kanye after this year
, after this year over yearhappened.
It was like a maturationprocess for him that went crazy.
That's great.

Speaker 1 (02:24:43):
Coop.
What do you got bud?
I'm kind of funny about thispick, and not because I'm being
funny about Kanye, I'm just notsure how much he deserves to be
on this list.
I think this is more about hisiconic status and the true
iconic nature of the music.
I feel like this is more of aculture shift.
I would put it on the back end,closer to the Kendrick than the
Jay.
I feel like this is more of aculture shift.

(02:25:04):
I would put it on the back end,closer to the Kendrick than the
Jay.
You might not hold the GoodFridays as high as I did, but
that was my main buy-in for this.
Yeah, I enjoy the Good Fridayseries, AG, and you have talked
about it and waxed poetic aboutit.
Actually, you want to know whatAG.
I'm going to go back and listento the Good Friday series again,

(02:25:25):
because you have spoke about itmany times and being a big, big
fan of it, maybe I need to giveit another run.
My beautiful dark Swiss offantasy is enough and all the
controversy surrounding him andit at the time to probably slide
him in here in this calendaryear because those Good Friday
records were good enough.
And then Watch the.
Throne, the Coop Freeze.

(02:25:48):
Oh, there you go.
Sorry, I think you were offwhen I mentioned Watch.
The Throne is in that fiscalyear too.
I'm really helping me, but Ihear what you're saying.
I'm glad you're saying thestance that you're taking on
this, because that's what I meanwith the good fridays.

(02:26:10):
It's one of those things likeif I tell you about it, then
you're like okay.
And even though you were therefor it in real time, if you
wasn't tapped in, like kan Kanyehad everybody waiting by a
computer to download and listento a track every Friday night,
it was chain, chain heavy, chainheavy.

Speaker 2 (02:26:32):
Christian Dior denim flow.

Speaker 1 (02:26:35):
Yeah, yeah, I'm gonna go back and listen to him again
.
Some of that shit was prettytough.
I just I guess you want to knowwhat that was.
One of those that was aroundthat time, guys, where I had
actually stopped rapping.
I had fell out of love with rapa little bit.
I didn't follow the whole, Ifollowed Ye and followed my
beautiful, dark, twisted fantasymore than I followed the
culture as a whole.

(02:26:55):
At that time I was a Kanye fan.
Still.
That was one of those gaps forme.
I might have missed some thingsculturally about yay's
importance at that time, thatversion of kanye at least.
Yeah, that's fair.
But a lot of people forget thatduring that run of good fridays,
monster was introduced via goodfriday.
Devil in a new dress wasintroduced via good friday.

(02:27:18):
So appalled was introduced viaGood Friday.
Most of the classic material onthe album was introduced prior
to on the Good Friday releases.
So it's one of those things youhave to really go back and look
at it.
To framework it.
You know what I'm saying.
I would need to listen to theGood Friday series in sequential

(02:27:39):
order, how it was released.
Yeah, they have it on YouTubelike a mixtape where it's like a
whole album, like you know it'sover an hour so, but it was
fire.
But you know, even to thatpoint would you say, like where
I had Big's year as an honorablemention, do you feel like that
Big year should be in the listover this higher year?

Speaker 2 (02:27:58):
I don't know how biased.

Speaker 1 (02:28:00):
I'm about to say.
I feel like, if I say that, I'mlike, get off my lawn with it,
and so I don't want to do that.
You know, I would prefer topick a big year.
I like it, though, because thisis the first controversial one

(02:28:21):
Right.
Okay, so the big year that youpicked wouldn't be the big year
that I picked.
Yeah, I prefaced that.
I don't remember if he was onor not, but I prefaced it by the
97.
I count that more as a negativebecause he wasn't here for that
.
You know what I'm saying.
To like, you know that's abittersweet shit, you know it's

(02:28:44):
tough, that's a tough one.

Speaker 2 (02:28:47):
Big years are like we talked about earlier.
You're talking about from Readyto Die to Life After Death.
He did stuff in between, butthe things that he was doing in
between was more so ghostwriting, you know features and things
of that nature, but it wasspread out pause through those
three and a half years.
So you're not talking about ayear over year of big, I guess

(02:29:09):
high-level excellence, if youwill.

Speaker 1 (02:29:11):
Right, I liked a little bit of controversy.
We weren't all aligned on that.
But yeah, definitely go backand tap into that.
Shout out to Jack.
I remember in the Discord I wastalking about how dope the good
friday series was and then jacksaid he had never heard any of
those tracks.
So I put him the whole tracklist in the discord.
He went back and tapped in andwas like it was dope.

(02:29:33):
You know I'm saying so, um, butyeah so I'm educating the help
he can get, so we want to thankyou for teaching his ass needs
all the help he can get.
Hip hop literacy.
Shout out to Jack.
The next Entry.
This is number nine.
Like I said, no particularorder, this is the ninth entry,

(02:29:55):
so one of those Situations youjust had to Be there is Little
Wayne.
We got June 2007 through what'sthat?
Yeah, June 2007 through June2008.
In 2007 alone, he was featuredon over 100 songs all across

(02:30:15):
different genres.
Over 100 songs Like he wasn'tturning down anybody and he was
giving them fire verses.
I don't care if it was rock pop, whatever he was giving you
heat.
His mixtape catalog was stillin heavy rotation during this
time.
He released what many peopleconsider his magnum opus, the

(02:30:35):
Carter III, on June 10, 2008,which a lot of people forget,
that went platinum in the firstweek it was released.
React.
Shout out to LT.

Speaker 2 (02:30:49):
Shout out to LT.

Speaker 1 (02:30:53):
I was hearing real time for this too.
I will tell you this AG I likethis pick more than I like the
Kanye, jay and Kendrick pick.
I do because Wayne I mean Waynewas the first person, quite
frankly, to prostitute himselfon the mic and make it sound
cool.
He was all everywhere he was.

(02:31:15):
Yeah, that's right, I live inAtlanta.
I know about prostitutes.
Live in Atlanta.
No, all about prostitution.

Speaker 2 (02:31:23):
Yeah, that's my's, my it's like the cold thing all
over again.

Speaker 1 (02:31:26):
Go ahead, cooper.
People have to understand thatwe had never seen somebody work
at this this proficiently beforefor this brief time, and the
culmination of it was the carterthree, which was his moment and

(02:31:50):
, for most people, a classic.
I like this pick ag.
I was worried that.
I was worried that you wereactually going to kind of miss
over this, because I think Ithink it would be easy for
history to forget wayne, becauseI think it would be easy for
history to forget, wayne, if wedon't remind people of who he

(02:32:10):
really was at his peak Peoplehave you believe?
it just went from 50 to Kanye.
It's like hold up.
What about Wayne?
What about Wayne?
Wayne was right there, waynewas right there.
Right, Right Sean what you got.

Speaker 2 (02:32:23):
Shout out to LT yeah, this was a powerful year for
Wayne man.
This is when I actually becamea Wayne fan.
I thought Wayne was garbage atone point.
I'm going to be honest with you500 degrees.
I'm like yo, this guy's trashman, what?

(02:32:43):
Y'all seeing this guy Wobbity,wobbity, wobbity dropping like
it's hot.
What is this?
You know what I mean?
But then he switched it up.
He switched it up, he camethrough and when he did this he
went on this crazy run, mixtaperun, and then he dropping
actually an arguably classicalbum in that year over year.

(02:33:04):
You've got to give it to him.
Wayne was everywhere.
Wayne created a new wave of MCs.

Speaker 1 (02:33:14):
He did.
It's one of those things whenpeople are like man, you
tripping Wayne's year, that yearthat you're talking about AJ,
that's one of those, no, go lookit up.
If you're like's one of those,no, go look it up.
Be like what do you do?
go look it up, go do someresearch, go look at it that's
the year they created all thekids that he has in the game now
.
Well, well, here's how he endedup with all the kids.

(02:33:35):
He spread his seed everywhere.
You are not going to find aWayne record from that time that
somebody who is a fan of rapdoes not like in some sort of
shape, form or fashion.
That person does not exist.
That person is lying to you ifthey're telling you they do not
like some of those rap CDs.
He was getting calls fromeverywhere, everywhere,
deservedly so.
He was the guy, he was Allright, guys, we got one more

(02:33:57):
entry on this list.
This is the 10th one.
Last but not least, I have theGreat Ice Cube, october 1990
through October 1991.
All right, by October 1990,america's Most Wanted is

(02:34:18):
certified platinum by October1990.
It wasn't released released sothat doesn't fall in his fiscal
year.
But he did get a platinumcertification that october.
But he did release the classickill at will lp people.
I mean sorry, to kill at willep people.
Don't talk about this ep enough.
That was released december 19th, 1990 classic.

(02:34:38):
The lp um eps were more commonback then but that's not brought
up enough.
In July 1991, boys in the Hoodmovie release starred in its
first feature film, which is aclassic, and its acting debut.
And on October 29, 1991, deathCertificate was released and

(02:35:01):
it's an all-time classic, one ofthe greatest albums of all time
.
We talked about it during ourbracket.
It's not mentioned enough.
And then on the last track onDeath Certificate, no Vaseline
he took down the NWA crew forDolo with the scathing no
Vaseline disc record.
That was React.
Sorry, my top three are allWest Coast guys.

(02:35:25):
I'm sliding Ice Cube in atnumber three.
Sliding Ice Cube in Snoop Pac.
Ice Cube DMX Nas going to haveto slide on down.

Speaker 2 (02:35:34):
I'm not mad at that.

Speaker 1 (02:35:36):
Here's the thing about it.
First of all, eg and I didn'trealize it until you said it we
need to call Kill it Will whatit is.
Kill it Will is the best rap EPin rap history Ever.
Kill it Will is the best rap EPever made.
Right, right, death Certificateis one of the 20 best rap
albums ever made.
Correct, america's Most Wantedis the first five-mic album from

(02:35:58):
a West Coast artist.
So even though it didn't getreleased, getting certified
platinum is a pretty big deal inthe time that it got released.
Boys in the hood is one of thebest movies in our culture
period.
It might be the most culturallyfabric, intense moment.
That relates back to hip-hop.
Of all the hip-hop films thatwe have and so like.
Like he, he in some circles heis just as famous for being

(02:36:21):
doughboyboy as he is Ice CubeRight.
And then one more thing whenwe're talking about bests, no,
vaseline is arguably the bestdiss record of all time I was
getting there.
Oh, he took the—we realized theworld's most dangerous rap crew
was not dangerous without IceCube.
Yeah, we did.
Yeah, we did.
It's like good niggas ain'tdangerous, no more.
It's about to catch a body cutoff.

(02:36:42):
Everybody caught a body.
Ren caught it the worst, buteverybody caught one.
So yeah, ag, I mean, when Ilook at it it's like I mean it
takes Snoop, making two of theten best rap albums ever, and
Tupac, quite frankly, being athis zenith and out of prison,
the top Ice Cube.
So I'm going my top five wouldgo Snoop Pac.
Actually, when I think about it, if I'm being objective, I

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might have to put Ice Cube atnumber two guys, because Boys in
the Hood is a real, real bigdeal.
Death Certificate, deathCertificate.
Although I prefer All Eyes onMe, I tell you Death Certificate
is better than All Eyes on Me.
We actually there was a roundwhere they went head to head and
we picked Death Certificateover All Eyes on Me, I the round
in the bracket.
I wouldn't be surprised aboutthat.
How about this?

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I prefer the song individually,on All Eyes On Me, but as a
body of work I prefer DeathCertificate.
It's boys.
No, I'm cool with putting IceCube at number two, actually, if
we're being objective.
So I would go Snoop Cube, pac,eminem, nas, that would be my
five.
What about X?

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I'd probably go.
Oh, yeah, the X, okay, so no,no, no, so yeah, nas is going to
fall out the top five.
Actually, I would go Snoop Cube, pac, x, m, nas, wayne, jay,
kanye, kendrick oh, you said Jay, yeah, you put Kendrick at the

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bottom and he was the barometer.
No, no, no, he's going to weara bow.
Coop's going to be Coop.
We're going to put you whereyou belong.
We're going to put you where youbelong at Hip Hop Talks, but no
, that's dope.
So you know what I'm saying.
So, for the people, when we getthe list posted and ask the
fans to engage and do theirrankings, coop, make sure you
put yours out there no no, no, Iwill.

(02:38:33):
I will, that'll be, prettystuff.
Yo Sean what you got on IceCube man man, he's a legend.

Speaker 2 (02:38:39):
Don Mega, don Mega.
We could have gone differentyears with Ice Cube, though, and
you wouldn't have been wrong.
You wouldn't have been wrong,honestly, and the sad thing
about it is not many in ourspace or any other space talks
about Ice Cube.
As much as we talk about IceCube and remind the people how

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great Ice Cube really is, youknow what I mean.
Get a chance for Nas fans.
Go watch that interview Nas hadwith Ice Cube when he had this
show going on Miss Info.
Listen to how he paid homage toIce Cube the Bridge podcast and
he had a segment like 30minutes and hear how he talked
about Ice Cube and reminded IceCube how radical Ice Cube was to

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hip hop at that time.
This guy was radical.
You got an album, kill thatWill and you come back to
America's Most.
You took down NWA, who wasconsidered the world's most
dangerous rap group, and youdidn't make them look dangerous
at all Easy work.
Easy work Went through theentire team like life through

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butter, yeah.
Wren got it the worst.

Speaker 1 (02:39:51):
Damn if Wren didn't get it.
The worst yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:39:54):
That's crazy.
Wren hasn't been the same since.

Speaker 1 (02:39:58):
But he had to because that was the other writer for
the group.
That's the other writer for thegroup.

Speaker 2 (02:40:02):
Thank you, RG.

Speaker 1 (02:40:04):
He did the thing that , competitively, you're supposed
to do in battle.
He's like, oh no, the producerand the boss gonna get some
shots, but I'm gonna hurt theirwriter, I'm gonna hurt the
writer that's left the writerabout to take, oh no, you about
to take these L's, you writingfor them, about to hurt your
whole confidence.
Big thanks and confidence, bigfacts.
And you know, I'm glad youbrought up that podcast, sean,

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because I remember that and nazand ice cube were exchanging
pleasantries or whatever, andice cube said one of the dopest
things I've ever heard, um,because naz was fanning out
talking about how dope cube wasand his cube was and his writing
, and cube told naz he was likeyo, he was like we was writing
dope stuff, but you came alongwith Illmatic and put it in
cursive that's fly, that's fly,right there.

Speaker 2 (02:40:48):
That's fly For sure.
Everyone in the chat we see youchats and everything.
Who do you think should be yearover year, fiscal year?
Keep in mind this is fiscalyear.
This is not the actual year.
Some people put 50 Cent inthere.

(02:41:09):
50 Cent had a phenomenal year,but we're talking about the
fiscal year.
We're talking about year overyear.
As far as MC or rapper havingan impact, a big impact, that's
what we're talking about forlike 2000,.
All of 2000 and all of 2001.
That's that fiscal year thatwe're talking about, not just,

(02:41:31):
you know them having a moment orhaving an MC of the year type
moment.
So put that in the chat.
Engage with us on Twitter,because we're going to post this
on Twitter.
We're going to post this onsocial media.
We're going to post this on ourother social media platforms,
on Discord as well as YouTube.
We would love to hear from youall Name your top five or top

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ten MCs that had the fiscal yearrunning.

Speaker 1 (02:41:55):
Real talk man.
That was a lot of fun, we couldhave gone.

Speaker 2 (02:42:01):
LL.
We could have gone Heavy D.
We could have gone all possible.
We could have gone.
Ll.
We could have gone heavy D, wecould have gone Ice-T.
Shout out to.

Speaker 1 (02:42:06):
Andrew, he sent me a lot of stats for Nicki.
You know what I'm saying.
As far as the female goes,nicki had a hell of a year.
When you know what I'm saying,pink Friday was released, so I
mean there's a lot of people wecould have included, but I think
this was the creme de la creme,you know what I'm saying.
Out of the 10 that could beincluded, Yep, just putting RZA
94 95.

Speaker 2 (02:42:24):
Yeah, as a producer, absolutely.

Speaker 1 (02:42:27):
Yeah, for sure, we'll save that for another show.
Talking about production, maybewe could do a production.
Yep, for sure, yo, none ofy'all steal that either.
This is our intellectualproperty right here, so don't
try to do that before we do it.
Real talk.
It was flattering, but uh, yeah, real talk.
Let's do the um press play realquick and get up out of here,

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man I don't have one ag, so youjust, I have one.
I didn't get a chance to loadnone of them up okay, well, I'll
just run through mine realquick because I wanted to pay
homage to somebody that doesn'tget a lot of love and flowers.
You know I'm saying in oursphere.
And um, you know, for those ofyou who don't know, large
professor and dj premier share abirthday, uh, march 21st.

(02:43:11):
So I wanted to do my press playto honor uh extra p, large pro,
because we waxed poetic aboutpreem all the time.
But I wanted to give largeprofessor some love and my press
play consists of um, there yougo, oh, my press.
My press play consists of uhtracks that large professor

(02:43:34):
produced for nas or even oreither got nas featured on it.
So I'll run it through thosereal quick.
Um, number one I got live atthe barbecue where it all
started, where we first heardNas at 17 years old, with the
feature you know what I'm sayingon that record on the classic
album by main source BreakingAtoms.

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So got live at the barbecue tokick off my press play.
Then after that I got You'rethe man right, that sample man.
Once I heard the real record.
It's by Sixto Rodriguez from1970.
The real song is called Sugarman.
The way that large pro choppedup that sample to make it sound

(02:44:17):
like a saying.
You're the man when it reallysaid Sugar says sugar man was
super, super dope to me and umnas is just spazzing with the
bars.
You know I'm saying your planwas to take me out the top of
the game, but I understand yourtruth is all lame, old kid is
the shoot balls of flame rightin your fat mouth.
Then I call my name.
It's not too real.
Now it's true, king, it's.
However you feel, go ahead.

(02:44:39):
You swing your arms too short.
The boss with god.
I don't kill soloists, onlykill squads.
Shit's crazy.
Moving on, number three I gottarewind right.
The story behind this song iscrazy because you know I

(02:44:59):
couldn't talk all day about theconcept.
This is the most creativeconcept I think ever in rap and
people talk about I gave youpower, but Rewind is technically
more creative.
I gave you power is the bettersong, but Rewind is a more
creative concept.
The way Nas did this recordright.
He had on the Masterclassseries.

(02:45:19):
He had a portion where he wastalking about creative writing
and he went into how heconstructed this track.
He said that that day in thestudio session he had writers
block and they were gettingready to leave.
So a punishment for himself, hejust wanted to get out
something to say all right, Iwrote a song today.

(02:45:40):
So he told Lars to cue up thebeat that he had looped up
earlier.
And in 20 minutes or less Iforgot what he said.
He said, like 20 minutes he hadwrote and recorded Rewind and he
said he was so mad at himselffor having writer's block.
He tried to do a creativeexercise, you know, inspired by
a memento movie, and say, okay,I'm going to tell a story from

(02:46:05):
back to front, but if I'm gonnado it, it really gotta make
sense with the wordage like gohe there outside, right we, that
sort of thing.
But to think that he did thisin 20 minutes as a punishment to
himself because he had writer'sblock, that's goat shit.
Like I'm sorry, it's likerewind, rewind was a punishment
to himself.
That that's insane.
I don't believe it was done in20 minutes, but I hear you.

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That's not a 20-minute shit atall that's out of the horse's
mouth.
I actually did see a largeprofessor interview where he did
corroborate that story that hedid it mad fast Next on my list.
Okay, so mad fast in real timewhen you're in the studio.
Might be 90 minutes If youcount recording time and all

(02:46:50):
that, but he's talking about thewriting process of it.
He might have wrote it in 20,but Okay, if you tell me he
wrote it in 20 minutes.
yeah, don't tell me, he wroteand recorded it in 20 minutes.

Speaker 2 (02:46:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:47:04):
Next up I wrote and record that in 20 minutes, yeah,
yeah, yeah.
So, uh, next up I got.
Uh, I love this record.
It's not talked about enough.
Stay chiseled, right, this isfeatured on large professor's
album, first class in 2002.
Right, and this?
This song was actually made inthe stillmatic sessions and was
supposed to be for stillmatic.
So when they, when theyrecorded Rewind and You're the
man, stay Chiseled was madeduring those sessions, the

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original version was circulatingin late 2001.
It actually has three Nasverses, all of them stellar.
But by the time it got on LargePro's album in 2002, you know
it took two Nas verses off andit just got the one Nas verse
right.
So you know, coop and Sean, youknow he took two Nas verses off
and it just got the one Nasverse right.
So you know, coop and Sean, youwant to know what's crazy?

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During this time, me and myfriends used to argue which was
the better record between StayChisel and Lyrical Exercise by
Jay.
That was a big argument.
Similar concept and thing.
You know what I'm saying.
So that was a big argument.
I don't know which one camefirst.
I'm not saying either of themwas biting, but you know,

(02:48:09):
blueprint came out September2001,.
And the original version ofStay Chisel was circulating on
mixtapes and on the internetaround that time but came out on
2002 in the album.
But that was a big argument forme and my friends, like with
that similar theme, which wasthe better record.
So, um, number five, another uhlarge professor joint one plus

(02:48:30):
one featured on uh his album,the lp right.
And this is really kind of likea lost tapes track, if you want
to be honest, because um, thatalbum was originally recorded in
96.
So you're getting prom naz onthis record, right.
But uh large professor had likesome label dispute issues and

(02:48:51):
the album got shelved and heended up getting the rights back
to the album and ended upreleasing it as a promo only in
2002.
So it was on the internet butit wasn't for retail sale and it
finally came out for retailpurchase in 2009.
So but when you hear it thatlate you're listening to a 96
Nas over 96 large pro production.

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So I kind of liked that and thepoint that y'all had earlier
about like old stuff, likenobody knows the stuff's old
stuff for you and your camp.
But you know you dig for thehistory of stuff, you'll find
out that.
You know it came out way backwhen that's five and I had one
bonus track, so I cheated alittle bit.
Everybody on Illmatic alwayswants to talk about the tip.

(02:49:35):
You know the Q-tip mix for theworld is yours, but nobody talks
enough about it.
Ain't hard to tell the largeprofessor mix think that remix
is a 10 out of for the World isYours, but nobody talks enough
about it.
Ain't Hard to Tell the LargeProfessor Mix Think that remix
is a 10 out of 10, and the waythat the Large Professor chopped
that up, he took, you know, bizMarquis from Nobody Beats the
Biz saying recognize I'm theking of disco-ing, and he

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chopped it up to make it soundlike it says Nas, nas is the
king of disco-ing.
Like that was a dope chop.
You know what I'm saying.
I don't think people talk aboutthat remix enough, but that
joint was really dope.
You know what I'm saying.
So that's my press play.
Shout out to Lars, professor,one of the greatest.

Speaker 2 (02:50:17):
One of the greatest, one of the greatest, the fellas.
That's our show.

Speaker 1 (02:50:23):
Yes, sir, and any parting words for the people
Like subscribe and share.
Man, let's keep growing.

Speaker 2 (02:50:33):
How about?

Speaker 1 (02:50:33):
you.
These women in the city areterrorists.
This bombs over Baghdad righthere.
If you see me blink twice,please come and save me.
You doing slow blinks right now.

Speaker 2 (02:50:51):
Bombs Over Baghdad today.

Speaker 1 (02:50:55):
Don't show no fellas.

Speaker 2 (02:50:57):
Peace to the chat.

Speaker 1 (02:50:59):
Great fiscal year list AG.
I'm going to post my order.
Great show, fellas, appreciateyou holding me down while I go
from Buckhead to the chat.
Great fiscal year list AG.
I'm going to post my order.
Great show, fellas, appreciatey'all putting me down while I go
from Buckhead to the suburbs.
You know, no doubt, no doubt yoPeace to the chat.
Peace to the Discord.
Yeah, no doubt Peace to y'all.
Y'all.
I might jump back into Discord.
I ain't seen them in a coupleweeks.
All right, these guys are crazy.

Speaker 2 (02:51:19):
Peace y'all, indeed, indeed.
You do that Y'all.
Oh, did it go out Nah.