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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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(00:39):
Happy holidays everybody.
Welcome to Hip Hop Talks.
I hope you didn't get coal inyour stocking like Sean did,
even though Sean deserved it.

Speaker 2 (00:50):
I don't even understand anymore.
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Speaker 1 (00:55):
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We're at the end of our 2024year, so we're going to be doing

(01:17):
a little year in review.
I don't have much to say.
How was your holiday, fellas AG?
How was your holiday?

Speaker 3 (01:24):
It was blessed, blessed time to be with you know
, family and everything, and dida lot of good eating a lot of
good food.
But you know it was hella busy,like if tyra was a person.
That's me man.
I'm a lot of running the pastcouple days and making sure to
tap in with a lot of family andstuff, but you know it's a
blessed time crazy time, butblessed time no doubt sean.

Speaker 1 (01:47):
What about you, man?
How was your holiday?

Speaker 2 (01:49):
it was good man we hosted this year.
So um, family came through, gota meeting, got them out.
Man, it's always good to beable to um when you can provide
for the family and just have youknow.
Holidays like this, especiallyduring these times, y'all would
take a step back and realize howblessed you are, man.
So it's a blessing to be ableto give man Always Don't take it

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for granted at all Always, yes,sir.

Speaker 1 (02:16):
Okay, we're going to kick it off.
Man, my vibe is actually alittle sports talk.
I was thinking like fellas, weactually haven't had a little
sports talk in a while.
In the normal world that wegrew up in, the NFL season would
actually be ending this weekend, but there's now a 17-game
season.
But I just wanted to revisit acouple of things.
I believe at the start of thisseason, somebody picked Patrick

(02:41):
Mahomes to win MVP, somebodypicked Joe Burrow to win MVP,
somebody picked Joe Burrow towin MVP and somebody picked Josh
Allen to win MVP and that wouldbe me.
And when I picked Josh Allen,both of you laughed at me.

Speaker 3 (02:56):
You laughed, I don't know if I laughed.

Speaker 2 (02:59):
Okay, you didn't laugh Sean definitely laughed,
AG.

Speaker 1 (03:02):
you actually said it was a nice pick.

Speaker 3 (03:04):
Yeah, I rock with Josh Allen.
I don't know if I laugh.
I have to check the tape.

Speaker 1 (03:08):
You laugh.
But remember what I told you,guys.
I said I want to pick Lamar.
I was like, but he needs to wina ring and I don't want him to
have three MVPs and no rings,and I'm worried about him
getting a ring because of hisdefense.
Well, here we are.
It looks like he might begetting MVP number three, which

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means I think if he wins MVPnumber three, he has to close
the deal this year.
Guys, what do you?

Speaker 3 (03:35):
think you don't think Saquon got a shot.

Speaker 1 (03:38):
No, he's playing the NFC East though, so he plays the
Cowboys and the Giants.
That's like playing a DivisionI-A team and then playing like a
Division I-AA team.

Speaker 3 (03:51):
Yeah, I feel like he has an outside chance.
But yeah, lamar looks like he's, you know, suited to win it
again.
But I will say Coop, my guythat I picked Burroughs, had an
MVP-type season.
The team just didn't get theW's on the board.

Speaker 1 (04:05):
I mean, if you actually look numbers-wise,
burroughs is the only guy reallycompeting with Lamar
numbers-wise, because Josh Allennumbers-wise isn't competing
with Lamar.

Speaker 3 (04:13):
Yeah, burroughs is playing like the best
quarterback in the league really.

Speaker 1 (04:18):
I mean no, lamar has the number one quarterback
rating QBR, second in touchdowns, third in passing yards, fifth
in completion percentage.
Like he's pretty much.

Speaker 3 (04:26):
Oh, yeah, I mean he's a bomb.

Speaker 1 (04:28):
Yeah, like nothing against Burrow, but it's like
it's looking like MVP numberthree but it needs to be ring
number one and it looks likewhen ring number one he's going
to have to go through Buffaloand then Kansas City.
Can he do that, guys?
Do you think Short?
And then Kansas City.
Can he do that, guys?
I think he can.

Speaker 2 (04:48):
Short answer no, I think he can.
Oh, he can.
Buffalo hasn't shown us whatthey can do in the playoffs.
Right, they've always crumbledin the playoffs.
The only team that's shown us,of course, is Kansas City.
You know, josh Allen's playingoutstanding.
Without a true number one widereceiver, he's making everyone
around him better.
That team is clicking reallywell, but that defense is

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suspect.
Lamar got Derrick Henry.
If Derrick Henry can getrolling, and they can keep him
rolling, he has a good chance.
That defense, though, man, isshaky.
They're up and down, they're upand down.

Speaker 1 (05:21):
Here's what I think.
I think that Baltimore is justa bad matchup for Buffalo.
I'm not worried about him goinginto Buffalo because I feel
like Derrick Henry and thatBuffalo front seven.
He looks at them and he's like,okay, this is a buck 50 today.
I'm not worried about him goinginto Buffalo.

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This is really more aboutlamar's ability to go into
kansas city.
Do you all think he can go intokansas city?
And I'll do all my homesbecause I think that's what it's
going to take.
He's not gonna.
He's gonna have to like put up35 in arrowhead in january when
they go head to head?

Speaker 3 (06:00):
who always outplays?
Who, though, that's?

Speaker 2 (06:02):
a fact, that's that it's the k Kansas City defense
that equalizes them.
That Kansas City defense turnsit up a different notch and they
played really well this year.
And that's the only reasonMahomes is not considered in the
MVP race, because that defenseis the MVP of that team.

Speaker 3 (06:17):
Mahomes has a subpar season.
If you ask me, that's what I'msaying.

Speaker 2 (06:22):
He has a subpar season, but that defense is
having a phenomenal season.
Right, they're going to score20 points a game and that
defense is keeping the teamsunder check.

Speaker 3 (06:29):
That's how they got all the Ws.

Speaker 1 (06:32):
I don't think we've seen somebody that's in the GOAT
conversation of quarterbacks intheir prime have a season like
Mahomes is having.
But the team is remarkably wellput together, well ran and the
defense is phenomenal, so Ithink it kind of like gets past
all that he's still a closerlike his closing skills are

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still as good as this side ofBrady.
Everything else hasn't been asgood outside of about three or
four games.
He's had about three or fourgames where you're like no,
that's Mahomes, and the rest ofthe games have just been kind're
like no, that's Mahomes.
The rest of the games have justbeen kind of like okay, he's
been okay in those games.
He's just closed those games.

Speaker 2 (07:11):
Right, he's not playing games for you.
That's how Brady was.
Brady was Mahomes' phenomenaldefense in New England.
Early Brady, yeah, early Brady.
In late Brady they have flashesof greatness.
He wasn't lighting the board upall the time, but he didn't
lose the game for you.
He didn't have costly turnoversand he was poor as a clutch.

Speaker 1 (07:31):
I feel like the last time the Patriots had a great
defense was that 2016, and Ifeel like when Peyton Manning
figured them out in the.
AFC championship game.
Like defensively they were justnever quite the same.
They had some good defenses,some really good ones, some
borderline great ones, but likethat was like the last time they
had like a great defense.
Like that 2007 defense was moreof a timely defense, with like

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savvy veterans and Pro Bowl andlike Hall of Fame players Like
they weren't necessarily alwaysgreat, like teams did put points
up on them, you know.

Speaker 2 (08:06):
Yeah, but they weren't breaking.
They weren't a defense thatjust totally got dominated or
broke.
Bray didn't have to go outthere and put up 30 points to
overcome defense failures oh, no, no, no, he didn't have to do
that.
He still put up 30, thoughRight, that defense gave him
many opportunities.
They gave him chances to havemore plays, more series to run
through.
They weren't great, theyweren't phenomenal as 2007 or

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what have you, but they werestill a defense that kept teams
in check.
That's what Mahomes got.
He got a defense that keepsteams in check where he doesn't
have to force to throw up 30points or 40 points a game.

Speaker 3 (08:40):
Yeah, they always put Brady in position to close the
game.
Even if he had a bad game, healways had an opportunity to
close out, which he alwaysdelivered on.
I hate to say it because Iwasn't a Brady fan, but Mahomes
was in a similar type position.

Speaker 1 (08:54):
Yeah.
So I think what this reallycomes down to is that can
somebody actually go into KansasCity and go up 14 points?
Because what we're pretty muchsaying, if the game go into
Kansas City and go up 14 points?
Because what we're pretty muchsaying, if the game's going to
be nip and tuck, we know what'sgoing to happen at the end, and
so essentially, it needs to be asituation where a team gets up
on them early and then we'relike okay, how do they respond?

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So, other than that, you guyspretty much have the Chiefs is
what you're saying.

Speaker 3 (09:22):
Oh yeah, because I think Lamar got to decide what
type of quarterback he'd want tobe in that type of game.
You know what I'm saying.
Does he want to be thequarterback you know to pass and
get everybody else involved, ordo you want to, like you know,
get a lot of rushing yards onthe board?
And I think you know that'ssomething he struggles with a
lot of times in the big games tofind that identity.

Speaker 1 (09:43):
I think in Buffalo he gets to be whoever he is.
But if they're going to win inKansas City, lamar actually
doesn't need to do anything butturn around and hand the ball to
Derrick Henry 25 to 30 times,because that's how you beat
Kansas City in Kansas City.
You don't beat Kansas City inKansas City by actually throwing
the ball 25 to 30 times.
You beat them by letting the250-pound running back pound on

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that tough defense and you testtheir will and you see if they
bend or don't break.

Speaker 3 (10:13):
But that's what I'm saying.
If he tries to get as manyyards himself as Henry gets,
then we got a problem, a problem.

Speaker 2 (10:19):
We got a problem.

Speaker 1 (10:20):
I mean that hasn't been a problem all year, though
that hasn't been a problem allyear.
All his yards have been likevery organic this year.

Speaker 2 (10:26):
We'll see.
We'll see it's going to betough.

Speaker 1 (10:29):
All right, remember, I remember we were here, fellas,
let's get to some Super Chats,and then we're going to get to
some anniversaries and thenwe're going to get to our top
ten of 2024.
Cj, the Kid with the super chat.
Finally, early Hope.
You guys are all good.
Happy holidays, fellas.
Happy holidays CJ.

Speaker 3 (10:46):
See you.

Speaker 1 (10:47):
CJ Ill Magic.
I watched a tarot card readerdo a reading on Kendrick Drake
and, wow, a lot of interestinginformation came up.
I don't play with that BumbaClyde witchcraft, joss, okay.

Speaker 2 (11:00):
That's wild.
That's a tarot card wrapper.

Speaker 1 (11:07):
Play those things, Rappers.

Speaker 3 (11:08):
If I wasn't into that tarot card stuff I would have
wasted.
All know what was going on withthem cats.

Speaker 2 (11:14):
Let me know when all Primo and Nas coming out.
I don't want to know that.

Speaker 1 (11:21):
I don't want to know that bad Double 07.
What up, queens?
Get the money.
Muddy Waters 2 was too long.
What an interesting year inhip-hop.
2025 may bring clarity to wherethings stand with Cole, kenny
Drake.
Nah, these dudes is ambiguouslike Prince's wardrobe, uh-uh.

Speaker 3 (11:41):
Is that ambiguous or androgynous?
I think it's the wrong word,Coop.

Speaker 1 (11:45):
No, no, no.
Ambiguous, confusing, confusing, no.

Speaker 3 (11:49):
Oh, okay, I got you.
Confusion of meanings yes, Well, I think it was confusing for
us.
I think Prince knew what he wasdoing when he was stepping out.
It was confusing for us.

Speaker 1 (11:59):
Absolutely.
That's what I meant, not forhim.
You still got the gloves up.
The gloves are on the wallactually now I actually put the
gloves up on the wall.
Sean, you're safe for anotherday, all these hoes getting in
Lake Minnetonka.

Speaker 2 (12:15):
Cool wedding gloves at Target For Christmas.
It's crazy.
Whoa, whoa, whoa.

Speaker 1 (12:22):
Whoa, whoa, whoa.
North Shore, North Shore, northShore Watch yourself Whoa, whoa
, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa,whoa, whoa.
Nordstrom, nordstrom, nordstrom.

Speaker 3 (12:29):
Ridiculous.
Watch yourself Long as youdon't got the jeans in Nordstrom
.

Speaker 2 (12:35):
That's all we Yo, I got it.
I cut the seat out.
He got the seat.
He got the seat.

Speaker 1 (12:45):
Let's go to the anniversaries which and thanks
for the transition 007 actuallyinvolved red man.
Red man has I mean, um, red manhas a new project out, guys.
Uh, quick thoughts on what dowe think of muddy waters too?

Speaker 3 (12:59):
I think the super chat said a lot of it.
I think it was too long.
You know I listened to it atime and a half um, with all the
busyness I had over the pastcouple days.
Um, 32 tracks a little much,but you know me and sean talked
behind the scenes and theruntime itself is not long.
Um, it's about an hour 20minutes and some change.
But um, I do think it was a lotof.

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The fact could have beentrimmed off this album, and it
could if it was cut down to even20 tracks.
I think it was a lot of.
The fat could have been trimmedoff this album and if it was
cut down to even 20 tracks, Ithink we got a top 10 project of
the year on our hands if youtrim some of the fat.
But it's a lot of stuff on herethat I do love and Redman's
spitting.

Speaker 2 (13:39):
He's spitting.
Never had an issue with Redmanspitting, though Never had an
issue with that.
Always up the far, always upthe.
Never had an issue with RedmanSpitting, though never had an
issue with that.
Always up to par, always up topar.
I like the project.
Yeah, it's a lot of songs, a lotof skits, it's a lot going on
with it.
It's 30 listed, of course, withskits and everything included,

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but I think it's like an hour 10minutes length of an album, so
it's not like long songs are inplay that you're dealing with.
Um, it's just, uh, the gravityof what you're looking.
You're looking at 30 number in2024 and you're like, okay,
that's a lot, that's a lot toconsume, but it's, it's vintage
red man.
You've got the skits.
I think he gave all his fanseverything that he's been for

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the past some odd years, right?
Um, in this album it's just alot, it's bloated, right, it's
bloated with a lot of differentthings.
You take those skits off andyou focus on the music itself.
You trim it down, probably like23, 24, easily, and now you can
start really licking that albuma different way.
Um, I thought that Redmansounded great.

(14:43):
He sounded the same.
His voice hasn't changed.
Tone hasn't changed.
You still got the comedy in hislyrics.
You still got just the punchlines.
You got the confidence.
You have everything that youwant in a Redman album.
In my opinion, muddy Waters 2,again it goes back to.
We talked about Dre and SnoopDogg Missionary.

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You're talking about afollow-up to a classical album,
so eventually your ear is goingto be like I want to hear
fragments of the predecessor andyou don't get all of that.
But I still think it's a dopealbum.

Speaker 1 (15:20):
I think Redman did his thing I think he was in such
a rare zone in Muddy Waters.
I think it's one of thosealbums that, no matter where you
have it ranked in the canon ofhip hop classics, it's one of
those rap albums that kind ofdefine a rapper being in their
zone, quote, unquote.

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You know, like, everybody hastheir zone where they get hot.
Like Clay Thompson has acertain zone when he gets hot.
You know what I'm saying.
Jamal Crawford, like you know,when those guys start cooking
it's like oh, when he gets inhis zone it's like oh, no, he
can go for 50 with the best ofthem.
You know what I'm saying.
I think, like Muddy Waters, isthat for Redman that's his

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50-point Kobe, 40-point game ina row type of streak.
And so anytime you have analbum like that much like a
Purple Tape, a Supreme Clientele, dmx with it's Dark and Hell is
Hot, if you were making sequelsto these projects, the

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expectations are going to bepretty lofty.
I do think, for the length oftime that it took for him to
actually, you know, come outwith this project and how much
time has passed.
I like the fact that he,admittedly, is trapped in the
90s nigga adapting to the modernday hip hop times.
There's something about himbeing funny about that that

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makes this album more enjoyablethan your average OG rapper's
album.
I do think it's a good album.
I do think it's too damn long,even though he does an excellent
job of understanding today'stimes, because a lot of these
records are only two minuteslong, which is why the album is
only an hour and some changewith this many tracks, but it's

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still too many damn tracks.
But there's a lot of heat onhere and I'm not sure if it
would crack my top 10 possibly,but definitely has top 20
possibilities If, uh, if, thefat was trimmed some, or maybe
even without the fat trim.

Speaker 3 (17:24):
So can I uh do a couple of rebuttals.
If the fat was trimmed some, ormaybe even without the fat
trimmed, can I do a couple ofrebuttals to some things you
said.
What Sean said at first, likewith the missionary comparison,
I do think it's better thanmissionary.
I think it delivered on thatfront.
As far as sequels are concerned, that's not saying a lot.
And then as far as thetimeframe, because I was talking

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about the tracks being too longtoo, in our discord and uh, uh
shout out to iron myers, I thinkhe pointed out, you know, well,
I don't care that it's 32tracks.
It's been 15 years since thelast red man album and I was
like damn, I didn't realize ithad been that long.
But you know he's right.
So, and it was one of the songsI can't remember what it was,
but he's talking about, um, youknow, if you uh, you know people

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tripping if you go in a storewithout your mask on, so it,
like it begged the question like, damn, some of these songs
might have been recorded overthe past like handful of years.
You know what I mean because,like you know, mask mandates
ain't been a thing for a minute.
So you know, I just think it'slike you know where he was
sitting on a lot of material andkind of put it all together.

(18:32):
That's just my guess.
But, like I said, it's a lot ofstuff on here that I love.
I love.
You know I'm saying light it up.
You know that was a Brick Cityjersey posse cut that had
everybody, anybody and everybodyyou can think of.
I thought that was a dope joint.
And yeah, man, I just Into theskits.
I was going to ask, sean, well,if somebody opposed your view

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on it.
Redman came from the skit era,so you know, and that was a big
part of his stick.
You know what I mean On all thealbums that he did a lot of the
skits part of his stick.
You know what I mean On all thealbums that he did a lot of
skits because they tied into thesongs, especially like Superman
, lover and joints like that.
So do you think he should havedeterred away from the skits
this time around?

Speaker 2 (19:14):
No, no, no, I wasn't saying that and I apologize.

Speaker 3 (19:19):
I say, make the skits part of the song, because if
the song's only two minutesanyway, then I think they could
be integrated within the songabsolutely again I think this
album was for the fans.

Speaker 2 (19:29):
I think this album was really for him and his fans.
I don't think this was tryingto insert myself into the 2024
algorithm.
I don't think this is, you know, trying to insert myself into
the new wave of hip hop, um, orthe way things are being done in
hip hop today.
This, to me, was an old day, aslight old day, to the way he
make music, the way he makealbums.
Part of his album, you got theSuperman love in there.

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You got the funny skits inthere.
You got the parody in there.
You got all of these things inthere that you're known for,
redman.
If he did not do that, the fanswho love Redman would say why
didn't he put that in there?
Where is the Superman skit?
Where is the parody?
Where is the funny stuff?
Where is that jovial stuff fromRedman?
So I think this was an old dayto the fans and to his core

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audience.
To be quite honest, Fair enough.

Speaker 1 (20:14):
Nah, I could have kept a lot of them skits.
We're going to get to somesuper chats.
Ill Magic.
Would y'all like to listen to aBlack Thought album produced by
alchemist and hit boy?
Ill magic.
I would listen to a blackthought album produced by jay
cole and big crit.
Hell yeah, I would listen to it.
Hit boy and alchemist did it.
That's right.
Being shady, being shady andpetty.

(20:36):
I gotta be consistent.
I started off the year beingshady and petty and that's how
I'm gonna end the year next ourman 499, peace Redman should
have trimmed this album down to12 songs and have it solely
produced by Madlib.
I do like the Redman-Madlib ideaBecause Madlib gets funky.
You know what I'm saying.

(20:57):
Funk, rock the spot, absolutely.
Cj, the Kid with the $5 SuperChat, light it Up made me proud
to be from Brick City, proud tohear it.
Cj.
All right, fellas, y'all wantto go over anniversaries or
y'all want to go ahead and slidethe anniversaries to the back
end and get to the meat of thetopic?

Speaker 2 (21:16):
Let's get to the reason for the evening.

Speaker 1 (21:19):
All right.
So, gentlemen, we all have ourtop 10 albums of 2024.
So, of course, with the threeof us having three separate
lists, there's only one goodlist.
That's my list.
But we're going to go ahead andlet you two guys talk about
your list.
Let's talk about your list,let's talk about your list.

Speaker 2 (21:38):
You got to talk about my list.

Speaker 1 (21:40):
Let's take your list you'll be so proud of me, sean.
There's no Glowrilla on my list.
There's no Glow on my list.
You'd be so happy.
It was close.
It was almost there, almostthere On the cusp, on the cusp,
almost.

Speaker 3 (21:58):
No, comment no comment.

Speaker 2 (22:00):
I'm glad to know who you are, AG.

Speaker 1 (22:06):
So how are we going to do this fellas?
Are we going to do a Hip HopTalks top ten list and, kind of
like, trim the fat of eachother's list or see what we?

Speaker 3 (22:14):
got in common.
Let's see what we all agree on.

Speaker 1 (22:22):
I personally and this isn't like it isn't a great
year, but it is a deep year witha lot of what I like to call
solid projects.
It's like no, no, no, thatproject was good.
I can't really hate on theproject.
The project was just solid anda year of solid projects.
When I went back and listenedto everything over the last
couple weeks, fellas just feltlike Freddie Gibbs made the best
project.
That's how I feel you Only DieOnce is the best album this year

(22:46):
.
In my opinion, it's not missinganything.
I actually started thinkingabout Freddie and I realized
Freddie is the best album makerof this generation, because I
was actually trying to think ofthe last time that Freddie made
an album that wasn't an album ofthe year contender when he made
it.
Think about that.
When's the last time Freddiedidn't make an album that wasn't
an album of the year contenderwhen he made it?
Think about that.
When's the last time Freddiedidn't make an album that was

(23:07):
easily like a top five, top tenalbum that year, even if it was
an album of the year?
It's been like a decade sincethat happened, fellas.

Speaker 3 (23:13):
It's been a while.

Speaker 1 (23:14):
It's been a while it's been a long long time, like
, think about it.
Soul, soul, separately, Shit.
That's a top two album thatyear in my opinion.
Alfredo, same thing Top threeor four Piñata, bandana.
It's been a long time sinceFreddie hasn't even made an
album of the year.
Contender, he's the best albummaker of this generation.

(23:35):
He made my album of the year.

Speaker 3 (23:39):
Yeah, I have the same one at number one for me.

Speaker 2 (23:44):
Sean, I do too.
I think Freddie, overall,freddie to me the most complete
album.
Yeah, it's Fred, it has legs,his album has legs, it does the
replay value.

Speaker 1 (23:59):
It's entertaining to go back to and to ride to.
Yes, the bar work is there, thesong structure is there, the
replay value is there, freddieknows how to make a dope ass rap
album and it's actuallybecoming.
You know how about?
You don't remember, like, doy'all remember?
Y'all remember that momentbefore it like flipped, when we
used to have those conversationsabout how underrated black

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thought was as an MC Freddie isthat for album making for this
generation?
His album making skill is sovastly underrated.
He's the best album maker ofthis generation, which makes him
one of the best album makers ofall time.
Catalog-wise.
His catalog is pretty damntough guys.

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It doesn't have the high-endstuff like a Mobb Deep or you
know he's somewhere.
He is somewhere in Pusha'sterritory to me, because he's a
better album maker than Pusha,even though I don't think
Pusha's the superior MC, butFreddie's the superior album

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maker.

Speaker 3 (25:04):
I think you have to clarify Pusha's solo because if
you count the superior albummaker now he's thinking to
clarify push a solo because ifyou count the clip stuff then
that's where pusher may have anedge, you know no push has the
edge overall because of stuff,but if it was solo.

Speaker 1 (25:15):
You know, I always tell you it's like, as much as I
love some lyrics, I'm gonnatake the guy that makes the
album.
So, even as much as I love push, if we're just talking solo
solo career, I'm taking freddy'scareer over pushes, and
everybody knows how I feel aboutpush.
But yeah, if you're putting theclip stuff in the clip stuff is
next level to me, though, soyeah yeah, freddy, freddy got it

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.

Speaker 3 (25:36):
So I guess we're starting at the top with uh, he
only died um once, so, yeah, wegot um.
We got michael williams withdie once.

Speaker 1 (25:43):
Yeah, I joined Jones-Harris, we got Michael
Williams with the $5 Super Chat,freddie has arguably amassed
the most impressive catalog overthe past decade, correct?
Piñata, alfredo, you Only LiveTwice.
Fetty Bandana, so-so Separately.
Yoda, yeah, you only die once,yeah.

Speaker 3 (26:02):
It's almost like me and you hold Scarface real high,
scarface's discography.
Scarface has one of the bestdiscographies ever and the
higher tier albums out of hisdiscography still don't get
talked about in the annals oflike classics or near classics
albums as much as the othergreats.
So in that respect, not sayingthat Freddie is a good MC of

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Scarface or anywhere close forthat matter, but his discography
has the quality the same wayScarface does and doesn't get
talked about enough.

Speaker 1 (26:32):
He's not the MC that Scarface is, because Scarface is
one of the 10 greatest MCs ofall time in my opinion, five
personally.
But I have always told peoplethat the closest thing that I've
heard to Scarface in thismodern day is Freddie Gibbs on
Alfredo.
It's very, very Scarface-liketo me on Alfredo, like Mr

(26:54):
Scarface's back diary, mrScarface, like that guy.

Speaker 3 (26:59):
But even then, that's kind of my point, because if
you're talking about thegreatest albums of all time, I
mean, how much do you hear, youknow the diary come up in
conversation, in conversation,untouchables, like you know the
fix, mr scarpus, you don't hearabout them, but they're top tier
albums all jokes aside, as faras, like rap pundits on any
level are concerned, I'm theonly person that I hear

(27:19):
referencing the diary in thatregard.

Speaker 2 (27:21):
if you really want to know the truth, I don't know
what y'all talking about rightnow, but I'll let y'all have it
out.
Y'all are crazy to talk now.

Speaker 3 (27:32):
That's why Shaw thought to echo it, because he
was hating on Freddie.
I'm not hating on.
Freddie, I'm just saying you'reputting me in the same vein as
Mr Scarface.

Speaker 2 (27:41):
Yeah, y'all going crazy.

Speaker 3 (27:41):
No, no, I'm not saying the album is good as
Scarface albums, it's just thesentiment of it being under the
radar.
Under the radar, classicmaterial for this era.

Speaker 1 (27:54):
A lot of people like Last of a Dying Breed dropped
and nobody talked about it.
That's a brilliant rap album.

Speaker 3 (27:59):
That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (28:02):
Scarface does have brilliant rap albums and he'll
just drop a brilliant rap albumand people won't even like it.

Speaker 3 (28:06):
In no way am I comparing Freddie to Scarface,
but it's just like you know toput out great material in it.
You know, following deaf earslike that, I think that's very
Scarface-like.

Speaker 2 (28:16):
There's a lot that yeah, I see what you're saying,
because he's missing it itfactor.
There's a factor that hedoesn't have.
He doesn't have that factorBecause everything you all are
saying about Freddie, he shouldbe named a little bit more
closely to the Coles and to theKendricks and to the Drakes,
based on catalog.

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If we're basing it only basedon catalog, his catalog stands
up with theirs, according to howyou do it.

Speaker 3 (28:43):
It's better than all theirs.
I think the only one that's aconversation is Kendrick's.

Speaker 1 (28:47):
Yeah, his catalog is better than Drake and Cole's.

Speaker 2 (28:50):
Is his high end as high as their high end?
No, In the end it's better.

Speaker 1 (28:56):
In the end it's better.
Their front end is better than.

Speaker 2 (28:59):
Hypebeast, yeah.
What counts more in today'ship-hop?

Speaker 1 (29:07):
Commercial success, yeah, yeah.
But what counts more in today'ship-hop?
Commercial success.
And freddie don't got that.
That's definitely where he's.
He's um, he's losing.
He's losing the same battlethat um cool g rap and pusha t
and griselda.
There you go.

Speaker 3 (29:18):
Yeah, cool g rap is a good example.
That might be a better examplethan scarface yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (29:25):
See, here's the thing .
He's not as lyrically inclinedas G-Rap either, but the ethos
of the material is very G-Rap,scarface-ish, which kind of
hurts.
Scarface was still even kind ofan anomaly because Scarface
would go gold and go platinum.
Scarface got gold and platinumhanging on the wall in multiples

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.

Speaker 3 (29:45):
I think that part of that's the era.
Freddie is a throwback to ourera in a lot of ways.
He would have thrived more.

Speaker 1 (29:53):
I think in our era he's a mob deep selling type of
artist.

Speaker 3 (30:00):
Gold artist yeah.

Speaker 1 (30:02):
Depending on the album.
How about this?
I feel like Soul Soulseparately would have probably
been his murder music, so itprobably would have went
platinum in its day, you knowwhat I'm saying yeah, no.

Speaker 2 (30:15):
I can't relate what y'all are saying right now.
I'm sorry, I don't see it.

Speaker 3 (30:20):
No, he would be a gold standard artist, like in
the same wheelhouse as likewhat's?

Speaker 1 (30:26):
No, I'm tired of trying to please Go to your
number two.

Speaker 3 (30:30):
Go to your number two .

Speaker 1 (30:31):
AJ, what you got at number two.

Speaker 2 (30:33):
I got Rhapsody.
I was right or wrong?

Speaker 3 (30:36):
I got Rhapsody.
Please don't cry at my numbertwo.

Speaker 1 (30:41):
Hold on one second.
Brandon Rogers with the $10.
Hollalla, I'm mad they took offanniversary on.
You only die once.
I guess the sample didn't clear, but it's still a fire album
without it.

Speaker 3 (30:49):
It is a fire no but that they took that off it took
it off and I haven't, I haven'tlistened to it.
In a few weeks they took dad,that's crazy, that was puffed in
.

Speaker 1 (30:59):
Puffed in, take that.

Speaker 2 (31:00):
Take that too well, I guess um, listen to it, um to
it where you wax poetic about it.
You have known that, but I knowthe way.

Speaker 1 (31:12):
AG just wrote his face is priceless, but yeah.

Speaker 3 (31:14):
AG is going to get that.
It's still my number one, butthat hurts man.

Speaker 1 (31:20):
Yeah, I mean, I think for us, in the framework of it,
we have already attached thatsong to that album and so, even
though they officially aretaking it off, it's like we're
still counting it the same way.
I'm still counting thatBraveheart party.

Speaker 3 (31:36):
I knew you was going to say that I'm not letting it
go.

Speaker 1 (31:38):
I refuse to let it go .
You have no business making analbum that good with records
like that and allowing thatrecord to be released.
Still a classic, still fivemonths.
Wow, it is it go.
You have no business making analbum that good with records
like that and allowing thatrecord to be still five mics wow
, it is definitely thought abouttaking a quarter of a mic.
We need to like bang one of themics, like it need to be five
mics, but one of the fifth micneed to be malfunction because

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of Braveheart Party.

Speaker 3 (31:59):
That's how terrible people only do that with
Steelmatic.
I could go through a ton ofclassic albums.

Speaker 1 (32:03):
They got one of those well, we're talking about that
album, that one.
It's ridiculous.
I agree with you, ag.
I got Please Don't Cry byRhapsody as my number two as
well.
We are in unison once again,sean.
What about you?
Here come the haters.

Speaker 2 (32:23):
No, I'm not going to hate you because I have Rhapsody
at number one.
I would have.
I personally, personally wouldhave Rhapsody over Gibbs album
personally, yes, personally, Iwould have Rhapsody album over
Gibbs album.

Speaker 3 (32:38):
I'm not mad at that, but it's three of us and you
lost the vote two to three yeah,I get it.

Speaker 1 (32:46):
It was so ruthless how he delivered that to you.
I thought we were about to takea vote.
When he said it was ruthless, Ithought we were voting.
He was waiting for that becauseof what I said earlier.

Speaker 2 (32:55):
That's how he operates, man, and y'all seen it
, and y'all don't evenacknowledge it.

Speaker 1 (33:02):
He was like hold on One, two, three, no.

Speaker 2 (33:08):
He was just waiting.
He was, he waited, he waswaiting.

Speaker 3 (33:12):
I will not confirm nor deny.

Speaker 1 (33:15):
So hold on, so you have Rhapsody at number one, and
Giggs at number two.
See, that's the thing.

Speaker 2 (33:22):
That's the thing because I don't want to be a
prisoner of what we just what wejust heard because I do think
that as time went on this year,the rhapsody album, um, it lost
a little bit of its uh, itsluster, and I think that's that
goes to say with a lot of thealbums that we had so far, this,
I think a lot of these albums,just over a short span of time I

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think that's's the year.

Speaker 1 (33:44):
I think that's the year.
That's the type of year it is.
It's one of those funny yearswhere all the albums kind of had
that kind of feeling.

Speaker 3 (33:52):
No separation, no staying power, nothing that was
significantly evidently abovethe fray.

Speaker 2 (33:59):
Correct Because I think it's just, it's tough
Because I can say GNX will bebetter than rap city album for
me.
I wouldn't be mad at that and Ithink is I don't know if it's
because it's more, it's morerecent.

Speaker 3 (34:10):
I would be mad at that, of course, of course no, I
wouldn't be mad, because gnx ismy number three spoiler alert,
but I got gnx at three, so okay,you want to stop that okay.

Speaker 2 (34:20):
So I'll be honest, I will.
For me, my palate.
I would have have G-Nex over onGibbs just for me, because of
the entertainment of it.

Speaker 3 (34:30):
Well, it looks like you're going to lose the vote on
this place.
Big Koo, of course, so it'sgoing to be at the top three
somewhere.
That gives me joy.

Speaker 1 (34:48):
I ain't gonna lie, you have this album in your top
five.

Speaker 2 (34:51):
You have this album in your top five.

Speaker 1 (34:52):
Both of you have this album in your top five.

Speaker 3 (34:55):
Yes, yeah, it's my number three.

Speaker 2 (34:58):
Yeah yeah, cool man in the Garden, glory yeah and
Glory D's nigga, glory yeah.

Speaker 1 (35:05):
Glory D's nigga Popple.

Speaker 2 (35:08):
Up, that was a coop diss.

Speaker 3 (35:12):
I don't give a fuck.
Didn't you say the week thatthis dropped on our show?
Didn't you say that this was atop five album?
Yeah, Because nothing that'scome out after that has been
better Nothing.

Speaker 1 (35:28):
Nothing Okay.
So I've been going back anddoing some listening to some
things.
Of course, I actually putPaisley Dreams at number three.
I think it's the best producedalbum this year by far beat and
production-wise and Game's barwork.
As far as mic performance isthe most underrated mic
performance this year.
The album's pretty stellar.

(35:49):
It really is, and unlikeFreddie's album, they actually
got to keep their fly-assgangster rap sample.
You know.

Speaker 3 (35:58):
I have it in my top 10, but it's lower.
It's a lot lower.

Speaker 1 (36:04):
Okay, I'm struggling, I'm struggling.
So GNX is your number three,paisley Dreams is my number
three, sean.
What's your number three?
The Force, the Force.
I have the Force and GNX tiedat five.

Speaker 3 (36:22):
I have the Force at four.

Speaker 1 (36:25):
So we're all high on the force, so we all have the
force in our top five, but weall don't have G and X
necessarily in our top five.

Speaker 3 (36:36):
Sean just said he did .
Sean said he had G and X over.
That's okay.
My opinion reigns supreme.
I don't got to be asked.

Speaker 2 (36:46):
It's all right, y'all seen it, piece by piece, piece
by piece.

Speaker 1 (36:53):
Ridiculous.
We have super chats to get to.

Speaker 2 (36:56):
This is tough.

Speaker 1 (36:57):
Yeah, it is tough.
Andrew Williams, I'm sorry, Ijust don't see what y'all see
about Gibbs.
Lol, y'all think he can beatDrake in the versus.

Speaker 3 (37:06):
Hell.
No, I just don't see what y'allsee about Gibbs.
Lol, y'all think he can beatDrake in the versus.
If no, then versus is adifferent conversation.

Speaker 2 (37:11):
I don't think Gibbs can beat so here we go there we
go, there we go.
I don't think he can beat thisguy right here in the versus,
that's AG.
Yes, sir.
This guy right here in theverses, that's AG.
The Pillage yes, sir, he ain'tgot nothing better than the

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Pillage.

Speaker 3 (37:31):
One of the best little albums ever.

Speaker 1 (37:33):
First of all, he has plenty of albums better than the
Pillage.
All of these albums are betterthan the Pillage.

Speaker 3 (37:40):
I don't know about plenty Coop, Maybe a couple.

Speaker 2 (37:44):
He ain't got milk this cow in his catalog.
Three and a possible Shout outto AG for the final.

Speaker 3 (37:51):
No doubt.
Yo, like Kendrick, can't be nolower than three, Because Sean
got him in his top two, I gothim at three and you got him at
what five.
So I mean it can't go no lowerthan three, and then, of course,
it would evidently be ournumber four Rubble up.

Speaker 1 (38:11):
I'm taking notes on this.
Excuse me, it's tough man.

Speaker 2 (38:14):
Yeah, I told y'all this was going to be tough.
We're behind the skis, man.

Speaker 3 (38:19):
If you concede it to Gibbs being number one then I
think Koop should have toconcede to.
Kendrick being number three.
I agree.
That's a great point, I agree.

Speaker 1 (38:30):
That point sounds terrible.
That sounds like one of theworst points that we've heard
this year.

Speaker 2 (38:35):
That's a great point.

Speaker 1 (38:38):
That's a phenomenal point Bullshit is what it is.

Speaker 3 (38:42):
Kendrick I mean Coop came on the show and was
plotting on.
How could he not Kendrick outof the top 10?
How could he hate Kendrick outof the top 10?

Speaker 1 (38:54):
I was gonna get him to 5.
5 was the goal ain't no way.

Speaker 3 (38:59):
G and X is too good to be number 5 not that good
it's good, better than anythingthat's hovering around 5.
I don't know to be number five.
Okay, not that good, it's good.

Speaker 1 (39:08):
Better than anything that's hovering around five.
I don't know.
It's hovering around five forme, all right.
So we got Freddie at one, rapsat two, gnx at three, ll at four
.
The Force is four because weall have the Force in our top
five.
I have it at five, you have itat four, you have it at what?
Four?

(39:28):
Yeah, two fours and a five makea fifth, yeah.

Speaker 2 (39:33):
Yeah, all right, this is tough, aj, you writing this
down?
Yep, this is tough.
We may have to end up goingback and look at this real tight
.

Speaker 3 (39:43):
Number five I'll tell you what I did.
Have Sky Zoo there, prisoner ofthe Moment, and I compared that
to Calm and Pete Rock and Iwent back and listened to both.

Speaker 1 (39:56):
Those are all terrible choices.

Speaker 3 (39:59):
Damn, I'm going to have to give that fifth spot to
Tom and Pete Rock.
If y'all got something elsethat I got in the ballpark, I'm
not mad if something else goesthere.

Speaker 1 (40:11):
I have the auditorium 13th on my list for the year.

Speaker 3 (40:19):
That's insane, man.
That's insane Y'all in the chat.
Feel free to bash Coop with hishater ways.
Man that's y'all in the chat.
Feel free to bash Cooke withhis hater ways oh shit, what
just happened, man?

Speaker 1 (40:34):
I don't know what just happened accepting
technical difficulties trying toput this boring ass rap album
in the top five.
Shame on you.

Speaker 3 (40:45):
I tell you what I got a six in the top five.
Shame on you.
Nah, I'll tell you what I got asix that's top five worthy.
That wouldn't be mad if it wasat five.
It's Dolce.

Speaker 1 (40:54):
I got Dolce at.
I got Dolce at seven, so I'mcool with Dolce.

Speaker 2 (41:00):
I got Shea over Dolce .
Huh, I got Shea over Dolce.

Speaker 3 (41:06):
Shea is a possible in my list.
As I got towards the bottom,the album was too short.

Speaker 1 (41:13):
Shea's album was too short to make my list.
I'm sorry.

Speaker 3 (41:16):
I got it listed at number 10 for a possible, but
it's more like an EP.

Speaker 1 (41:20):
It's too short.
It's an EP, it's not an album.

Speaker 3 (41:24):
Sheesh.
So what do you have at six Sean?

Speaker 2 (41:31):
I have Paisley at six , so if you, got Paisley Dreams
at high.

Speaker 3 (41:38):
Sean has it that high , then we have to bump that up.
I had it at number seven.

Speaker 1 (41:44):
I had it at three, so that makes it five.

Speaker 3 (41:46):
So we got to jump that up to five.
That's only fair.

Speaker 1 (41:50):
I'm grabbing a pen.
I want to write this down.
I don't want.
Ag looks like he got familyfrom Florida.
We got to count the ballotright.
You know what I'm saying?
I got a lot of family inFlorida actually.

Speaker 3 (41:58):
See what I'm saying.
I got Tampa, Jacksonville, gotthem all on lock.

Speaker 1 (42:06):
Jacksonville, not Duval County.

Speaker 2 (42:07):
Duval County, yeah, oh no, no, you can get up down
there.
You know what I'm talking about.

Speaker 1 (42:16):
He probably got somebody in Jacksonville running
a Ponzi scheme right now.
They're wild down there.
They do whatever they want.
Oh my God, okay playing dirtyvideos on YouTube?
Not those type of dirty videos,damn cool.
Not those type of dirty videoslike the music video.

(42:38):
Oh my god, I found the lord andam delivered.
Sir, I don't watch those thingsdamn nasty, you know a lot
about it.

Speaker 3 (42:48):
It's crazy, wow, I'm walking away.
Nasty, nasty, you know a lotabout it.
It's crazy, right?

Speaker 2 (42:52):
Wow, I'm walking away man.
I told y'all this was going tobe and y'all wanted to do 20.
I told y'all doing this 10 wasgoing to be tough.

Speaker 3 (42:58):
Yeah, no doubt.
And plus I ain't even trippingon 10, 11 through 20, man,
because all them joints could begrouped together.
They all can be.

Speaker 2 (43:12):
I ain't trying to spend an hour on here separating
them out nah yo, this is Coopiewatching porn.

Speaker 3 (43:14):
That's what he got on TV behind him right now yeah,
that's not true, he look like.
Let me check it's Redman.

Speaker 2 (43:23):
Yeah, coop nasty he look like.
Let me check real quick yeah,just in case the algorithms pop
up on him.
This is wild me check realquick.
Yeah, just in case thealgorithms pop up on them go to
the next album, please, children.

Speaker 1 (43:36):
Next album where are we at we're?
We're outside.
So we got our top five, so soat number one we got freddie
gibbs.
You only die once yep numbertwo we have rap city.
Please, please, don't Cry, yep.
Number three is Kung Fu.
All right next.

Speaker 3 (43:54):
G and X MVP of the year Kendrick Lamar.

Speaker 1 (44:00):
Not MVP.
Number five is Paisley DreamsGame big hit Okay.
And now we are at our numbersix.
Well, AG, you had Dolce prettyhigh.
Where did you have Dolce?

Speaker 3 (44:12):
I had Dolce at six, but I had Common Pete above
Dolce.

Speaker 1 (44:16):
I had Common Pete at 13, so they getting knocked all
the way the fuck out over here.
I'm not having it.
I'm not going to take some part.
Boom, bap, rap from you oldniggas anymore.
I won't do it.

Speaker 3 (44:26):
Sean, what do you got higher between the Dochi and
the Common Peak?

Speaker 2 (44:30):
I honestly have Dochi higher than Common Peak.

Speaker 3 (44:33):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (44:36):
I got Dochi at seven.
If you got Dochi at six, I gotDochi at seven.
Sean, where's Dochi for you?

Speaker 2 (44:39):
I have Dochi Oman at nine.
Where do you have Skazu Sean?
I dropped Skazu significantlyat the top ten.

Speaker 3 (44:48):
Damn.
He's still at my top ten, but Idropped him.
Let significantly at the top 10.

Speaker 1 (44:54):
Bam, he's still in my top 10, but I dropped him.
Let's go with Dolce at 6.
Sounds like Dolce at 6.

Speaker 2 (44:58):
Yeah, cabernet's a little leathery.
He needs a little bit more timeto open up A little leathery.

Speaker 1 (45:04):
Yo man, I'm going to let you rock on that one Kuba,
10 years old, it's a 2014.
Very robust.
But yeah, old, it's a 2014.
Very robust, Very robust.

Speaker 3 (45:13):
Doji's a star man.
She's really doing her thing.

Speaker 2 (45:17):
This is tough.
We got a few super chats too,fellas Okay.

Speaker 1 (45:27):
She never gave you money.
Michael Williams with the $5Super Chat, just want to point
out that Coop was correct.
He's been saying the Nas Primoalbum wasn't dropping this year.

Speaker 3 (45:41):
No, he said it wasn't dropping at all.
He said it wasn't dropping atall.
No.

Speaker 1 (45:46):
I said it wasn't dropping this year.
I said it's not happeningperiod.

Speaker 3 (45:49):
That's not what I said.
It wasn't dropping this year.
I said it's not happeningperiod.

Speaker 1 (45:51):
That's not what I said.
Go back and check the tape.

Speaker 3 (45:54):
You didn't have no faith Go check the tape.

Speaker 1 (45:58):
I said that it's not dropping this year.

Speaker 3 (46:00):
We still got a few more days left.

Speaker 1 (46:03):
It's not happening, niggas, it's not happening.

Speaker 2 (46:08):
Stranger things happen.
He knew it's not happening.

Speaker 3 (46:11):
Magic drop Christmas Eve.
Don't forget that.
Speaking of new music, we didthat, redman.
Y'all hear that Hitboy Letterto my mentors?
That was a dope Amish track.
To Polo, to Don Kanye Nas, thatwas a dope joint by Hitboy.
Shout out to Hitboy, shout outto Big boy.

Speaker 1 (46:31):
Shout out the hit.
Shout out the big hit, too free.
Big hit for you, big hitspeaking.

Speaker 3 (46:37):
Speaking of which, where do y'all got um blacks and
whites still in y'all's top 10?

Speaker 1 (46:41):
well, hold on, we're gonna get to that in a second.
Let me finish these super chats.
Oh okay, andrew williams withthe 199 super chat.
Gib Gibbs don't have anymoments out his solid albums he
doesn't.

Speaker 3 (46:52):
That's fair.
That's a good point, yeah.

Speaker 1 (46:56):
Cordae's album the Crossroads was arguably top 5
this year.
That's my mere thoughts.
With the $4.99 super chat.
I like the Cordae album.
I thought it showed some growth.
He, you know he suffers fromthe same thing that Freddie
suffers from on the other sideof the spectrum, when it's like
he has all the skills and allthe things to be like, I guess

(47:18):
like a modern day tribe Lupe DeLa type of rapper, but it just
doesn't connect as well for somereason.
Any reason why Fellas realquick?

Speaker 2 (47:30):
He doesn't have a story, he doesn't have anything
that can connect with the fans,that can connect with the
audience.

Speaker 3 (47:37):
Any.

Speaker 2 (47:39):
Go ahead, sean.
There's nothing that we can say.
Man, he has an interestingstoryline or interesting piece
that made me want to tap intohis music.
It just doesn't happen.
What?

Speaker 3 (47:53):
I'm going to say is I don't want it to come off
disrespectful at all.

Speaker 1 (47:58):
Anytime a nigga says that, it's usually some very,
very disrespectful stuff aboutto go down.
It's like hey hey, hey.
I don't mean to slap the shitout of you, but will you just
turn your left cheek to theright?

Speaker 3 (48:07):
No, don't do that, because I like Cordae, I like
his music.
But with that said, I'm aboutto make an analogy and I don't
want it to be taken out ofcontext, for you know
sneakerheads like me and Seanright.
So Cordae, he reminds you toomuch of his influences, like J
Cole or whatever.

(48:27):
But if you want that bag,you're going to go to a J Cole
instead of tapping into Cordae.
You go into the store, you'regoing to buy the retro 7s, the
6s, the 4s, the 5s.
You're not going to buy a pairof Jumpmans that have like a
similar looking silhouette tothe 4s, 5s, 6s, 7s or whatever.
You're going to buy the retros,you're.

(48:52):
You're going to buy the retros.
You're going to leave thejumpmans on the shelf and Cordae
is very much like buying somejumpman Jordans.
I'm sorry, damn.
That's not to be disrespectful,I'm just calling it what it is
like if he went outside, like ifhe wasn't in that cold
wheelhouse, so much you know youcan get that from cold, like he
just got to go outside of thata little bit more.
But he has said one of the mostprofound things I've heard in

(49:13):
recent times and Sean, I thinkhe sent me the video we get too
caught up on first week sales.
I think it was Charlamagneasking him about his first week
sales and did he think his albumwas a failure because it had
low first week sales?
And he said no, why should Ibase something that I put you
know a year or more work timeinto just off what happens in

(49:35):
one week?
You know what I'm saying.
That doesn't determine if Ithink it's a success or a
failure, like people think, thatsuccess is predicated on first
week sales because we're from anera where we went out to cop
physical, so it's like you gotto get it before it's gone,
before the stores sell out ofphysicals.
But now, in the digital erawhere everything's in the
streaming music, alwaysavailable to you, how many times
has an album dropped and youwas like shit, I ain't got time,

(49:58):
I'll get to it later.
You know I'll eventually listento it.
I'm not going to tap in rightnow.
It's always there so you canhave it at your fingertips at
any time.
So I I think you know thatbreakdown was one of the most
profound things I've heard inthis recent era because we put
too much credence with thatfirst week number.
But with that said, jump Vance.

Speaker 1 (50:21):
I look at it like this I found out about Cordae
because I was watching the USOpen one night with the person
that I was seeing at the timeand he was sitting courtside in
Naomi Osaka's box and I said whois this punk ass nigga that
looks like a rapper sitting inOsaka's box and the chick that I

(50:42):
was with at the time was likethat is a rapper.
His name's Cordae.

Speaker 3 (50:45):
When I find out about a rapper because he's dating a
tennis player at the US Open, heprobably ain't about to be my
type of rapper, your type ofrapper or anybody from my
generation type of rapper,because we just look at him like
a punk-ass kid or an offshoot.
I mean, it ain't got to be allthat.
No, no, no, I'm just tellingyou, I'm worried about my
statement being disrespectfuland this is what Coop does Okay.

(51:06):
I mean but.

Speaker 1 (51:08):
I'll let you actually have your statement.
But what I'm really trying tosay is that, well, he just
doesn't come off well for ourgeneration.
We look at him like a knockoff,like a bootleg, like he's soft,
not articulate enough.
He's a lot of things to thisgeneration.
It's just like it doesn'tconnect.
But there is a generation ofpeople that he does connect to,

(51:32):
you know.
Yeah, my mere thoughts.
Again, with the 499 super chat,I try my best to fall in love
with common and pete rock.
I just end up falling asleepeach time I listen.
Yes, I put on common and peterock right after the andre flute
album because it just goestogether.
It's perfect move.
Wow, to go to sleep like thatbad cool.

Speaker 2 (51:50):
It's not that bad's.
Perfect music to go to sleep.
It's not that bad.

Speaker 1 (51:52):
Yeah, it's perfect music to go to sleep to.
All right, so we have.
So who do we have for numberseven?
Because it damn sure ain'tcommon in Pete Rock.

Speaker 3 (52:02):
So what we just said is not Cordae either.

Speaker 1 (52:06):
Cordae didn't stand a chance in hell.
Sorry, we appreciate you tryingfor Cordae.
That shit's not happening atHip Hop Talks In 2024, I feel
bad man because Cordae came toWest Virginia man.

Speaker 3 (52:20):
He opened for Lil Wayne here.

Speaker 1 (52:22):
So did.
So, guys, he did.

Speaker 2 (52:26):
He came to West Virginia for no concert and
Cordae did not.
You're telling me that WestVirginia lied First of all, they
don't even have.

Speaker 1 (52:36):
They don't even have venues in West Virginia with
work.

Speaker 3 (52:42):
Now we ain't gonna do that, Coop, because we went to
the festival.
We met up at the festival inNorth Carolina, your home state,
and I was like yo, this is allthe people here.
We got bigger joints than thisin West Virginia, Like don't do
that.

Speaker 1 (52:56):
First of all, that's the first city in North Carolina
.
All right, it's a small city.

Speaker 3 (53:00):
It don't matter.
It don't matter, that's yourhome state.
I'm talking about the wholestate, even if it's not your
city.

Speaker 1 (53:06):
It's the city, that's your state.
There was working plumbing atthat event.
What more do you want?

Speaker 3 (53:11):
Hey man, it was a good turnout.
Don't get it twisted.
The people showed love.
I don't want to do that either.
But West Virginia, we had somedope festivals.
Shout out to Multifest inCharleston every year.
That's where.

(53:31):
Remember I told you they wastrying to lift a girl in a
wheelchair on stage to see LLCool J.
Remember that you want to knowwhat that is.
Those are the people who weredoing drugs.
Those are the people who weredoing drugs.

Speaker 1 (53:33):
It's a hustler's convention.
That's what that is.
It's a hustler's convention.
People were doing drugs.

Speaker 3 (53:37):
LL was like bring her up.
I was like I don't know ifthat's a good idea.
You're doing drugs.
Ll thought he had the force forreal.
He was going to hold his headdown.
We're going to the next album.

Speaker 1 (53:51):
We have to go to the next album.
This is crazy.
The sidebar is nasty.
The West Virginia Chroniclesman.
It's crazy.

Speaker 2 (53:59):
Calling them the West Virginia Chronicles is crazy.
The Chronicles man is crazy.
Oh man, the Chronicles.
When we were talking, we weredigging North Carolina, he was
like I can't believe I'm homeagain.
He took a big breath.
He was like I'm back.
He was like I'm back.
There were like 13 people outthere.

Speaker 3 (54:18):
He was like I'm back oh man, coop thought he was the
product.
What's up?

Speaker 1 (54:24):
number 7.
Album number 7 please, my bad.

Speaker 3 (54:28):
Future Future Metro.
Yeah, I had that at my number.
Album number seven, please mybad.
Future Future Metro.
Yeah, I had that at my numbernine, so I wouldn't be mad if it
was at number seven.

Speaker 1 (54:38):
I have it at number ten.
Where did y'all have Blue Lipsby Schoolboy Q?

Speaker 3 (54:43):
It didn't make my top ten, it just hit my top ten At
ten.
I had it as a possible, but itwasn't in my top 10.
I'm lobbying for Common andPete or Sky Zoo at number seven.
That's what I'm lobbying for.

Speaker 1 (54:59):
Sky Zoo didn't make my list and Common and Pete Rock
are 13 on my list.
Common and Pete Rock are notmaking this list.
Say it slow with me.
It's because we got to break itdown.

Speaker 3 (55:10):
We losing credibility by the minute because of y'all
man.

Speaker 2 (55:13):
No the album's not good AG we got to call it what
it is.

Speaker 3 (55:19):
It's not top five good, but you're saying it's not
top ten good.
It's crazy.

Speaker 2 (55:25):
I can argue either way.
I can argue that of the top 10or out of the top 10, either way
.

Speaker 3 (55:30):
Nobody wants to hear your diplomatic take, John.
I think saying you can arguefor it either way is great, it's
great.

Speaker 2 (55:39):
That was not diplomatic you know what it is.

Speaker 1 (55:41):
It's great for when I'm like leaving the 18th hole
on the golf course and I wantsomething to listen to on my
AirPods on the way back to theclubhouse.
After like wine and cheese andcrackers and shit.

Speaker 2 (55:52):
It's more of a boring time.
We're trying to force that.
I think a lot of the hip-hopheads are saying because they
are we are the bar work is notthere.
Common doesn't under-deliver inthis project, but I always felt
like After the first week ortwo we talked about this, it

(56:14):
just didn't have any legs.
I can't see that's on the backof that album.

Speaker 3 (56:18):
If anyone says I did go back to it and then I was
like, yo, this is pretty good.
It's not great, but it's prettygood.

Speaker 1 (56:24):
It didn't have no legs, no knees, elbows, Hands.
It's not moving at all.

Speaker 3 (56:29):
Sound like me these days.

Speaker 1 (56:33):
Sound like that lady in the wheelchair.
That's what that out is Yo?

Speaker 3 (56:38):
no, don't do that.
Edit this part out.
Yo You're killing our ass, bro.

Speaker 1 (56:45):
Y'all talking about me.

Speaker 2 (56:49):
Y'all talking about me.
Look, I do think that we needto like look, okay, let's be
sensible about this.
Let's be sensible.
I'm not opposed to saying thatCarmen and Pete Rock is at
number 10.
I'm not opposed to that, Ireally.
Is it a dope album?
Yes, okay, not opposed to that,I really is it a dope album?

(57:11):
Yes, okay, I do think that thename recognition outweighs the
quality of the album, in myopinion, and just my opinion.
Yeah, I haven't gone back tothat album a lot at all.
Straight up and down.
I think that if we're comparingit to the others that came out
I don't know this one has thatstaying power for me.
I don't think it was designedto be that way, though.

(57:34):
I think it was just it's a dopemoment, a dope album, but I
think the name recognition ishigher.
I really do.

Speaker 1 (57:40):
I think that's an excellent way of putting it,
sean.
The brand name is better thanthe actual package itself.
It's like the name on theoutside of the box is better
than what's inside the box.
It really is, and and when youdo that, that means that you
didn't put together a goodproject, and it's not.
It's really not one of the 10best projects this year.

(58:02):
Like like when I bought up bluelips by schoolboy q, because
because schoolboy q's blue lips,like the high moments
production and like like-wise onthere, to me far exceed the
Pete Rock and Common album tothe point that it makes me look
at the Common Pete Rock albumborderline like a disappointment
, because this is one of Q'sweaker efforts.

Speaker 3 (58:22):
Nah, I really like Blue Lips.
I'm not mad at Blue Lips beingin the top 10 at all.
I really rock with that project.
I got it on my list.
I in the top 10 at all.
I really rock with that project.
I got it on my list.
I have more than 10 albumswritten down for 10 to get in,
but I just wrote out 9 and thena bunch of possibles that could
squeeze in for 10.

Speaker 2 (58:38):
It's a bunch of possibles, man, and that's what
I'm saying.
Common and Pete is a SteadyEddie album.
I don't think you have any badmoments on that album.
I just think you have a reallyjust a dope album.

Speaker 3 (58:52):
And it's okay.
It's okay.
So you had the Che pretty high,but me and Coop both said that
was more like an EP because itwas only what like seven tracks.

Speaker 1 (59:00):
Was it even seven?

Speaker 3 (59:01):
It was six or seven, I can't remember.

Speaker 1 (59:03):
I feel like it was six.

Speaker 3 (59:05):
Okay, and then I was getting ready to ask are we
keeping that same energy?
Because I still had I Am God'sBlood Stained Suede in my top
five, I mean in my top ten.
His joint was a nine, it waseight or nine.

Speaker 1 (59:22):
I mean I had more suede at four.
More suede was my four, it wasin your top five.
Yeah, okay, but I felt like itwas a full album, though, like
it was in your top five.
Yeah, okay, but I feel like itwas um a full album, though like
it was not correct.

Speaker 3 (59:34):
I'm just asking about the tracks or whatever, because
we got to be fair, because ifwe do that, the chain and you
know, shout out to I am god.

Speaker 1 (59:40):
But if it was the same I feel like your play time
needs to be over like 25 minutes, like it's kind of like.
You know I'm saying anythingunder 25 minutes.
I feel like it's ep and I feellike that chair is under 25
minutes.
Somebody check.

Speaker 3 (59:53):
And see, yeah, it was under 25, I remember oh yeah,
that's the ep.
That's the ep under 25 minutesnow, what about any of the benny
projects?

Speaker 1 (01:00:05):
I see my thing with the many projects.
Is that all the many projectsfor me?
Like I feel like he has threeprojects that could possibly be
between 10 and 20, but none ofthem are in the top 10.

Speaker 3 (01:00:15):
I think the one with 38 could be top 10 worthy.

Speaker 2 (01:00:19):
Was that the best one ?

Speaker 1 (01:00:21):
out of the three, I think Summertime Butch is the
one that's closer to being top10 worthy.

Speaker 3 (01:00:25):
Really Well.
Everybody Can't Go was themarquee one, but that was my
least favorite out of the three.

Speaker 1 (01:00:35):
I have all three of those albums between my 11 to 20
, though.

Speaker 3 (01:00:39):
That says that he was at least consistent.

Speaker 1 (01:00:41):
Even if it wasn't great, he was consistent after
your heavy, heavy hitters, likeafter your future, and kendrick
and cole and drake, like he's inthat.
He's in that conversation thisyear just because of quality of
production of product, becausesummertime butch is a banger, so
is stabbing shot too, and so iseverybody can't go, but no top

(01:01:04):
10 for him, unfortunately no didy'all you?

Speaker 3 (01:01:08):
you brought a future.
Where does the first joint?
We don't trust you.
How high does that go?
Can't trust?
Or do you think His mixtape wasbetter than that?
Because to me I think, hold onthe we don't trust you is better
.

Speaker 1 (01:01:25):
Where are we at on our number seven?
Do we have our number seven?

Speaker 3 (01:01:27):
We haven't decided on number seven.
I'm just spitballing right now.
We need to decide on our numberseven.
Do we have our number seven?
We haven't decided on numberseven.

Speaker 1 (01:01:31):
I'm just spitballing right now.
We need to decide on our numberseven, because I do have.
I Am God's more swayed atnumber four.
Where do you have it, ag?

Speaker 3 (01:01:39):
I had it at within the possibles for number ten or
number nine is where I had it.

Speaker 1 (01:01:47):
You got.
I Am God in here anyway, I hadit around my 12 mark.
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:01:54):
I got him at 4.

Speaker 1 (01:01:56):
You got him at 12.
You got him at 10.
That would put him in some sortof consideration.
Y'all gonna have to give mesomebody over.
I Am God, so I have.
I'll tell you the rest of my 10.
I had Blue Lips at 8.
I'll tell you my top 10, my 10.
I had blue lips at eight.
I'll tell you my top 10.
I had you Only Die Once byFreddie.
Please Don't Cry Rhapsody.
Paisley Dreams, more Suede theForce, gnx, alligator Bites,

(01:02:19):
never Heal Blue Lips, one of One.
We Don't Trust you.

Speaker 3 (01:02:27):
Yeah, I'm thinking we either go like, from from here
on down, the only ones that Ihave left in the top 10 that
haven't been named yet are, youknow, common pete sky, zoo's
joint, uh, future metro.
We don't trust you blacks.

(01:02:48):
And with Big Hit, hit Boy andAlchemist, I got, I Am God,
blood Stain, suede, the MoreSuede.
And then I got Blue Lips.

Speaker 1 (01:02:58):
Blacks and Whites is my 11th.

Speaker 3 (01:03:01):
Didn't make your top 10?
.

Speaker 1 (01:03:03):
It's 11th.
I had to pick between Blacksand Whites and we Don't Trust
you and I chose.
We Don't Trust you about thebigger moments, but the
production is comparable.
But Future does sound fresh andreinvigorated on that album.
It is the start of a run of agreat year for him, where he
should be in contention forArtist of the Year.

Speaker 3 (01:03:23):
Did you have his mixtape in the top ten?

Speaker 1 (01:03:25):
I did not.

Speaker 3 (01:03:26):
Okay.
So I say we either go with BlueLips or I Am God at number
seven.

Speaker 1 (01:03:34):
Sean, where'd you have Blue Lips?
I have.

Speaker 2 (01:03:36):
Blue Lips on or Future Metro.
I have Future Metro in my topten.
I kept moving it up and downbased on what was coming out.
Same thing with Blue Lips.
I had Blue Lips at number eightat one point.

Speaker 3 (01:03:55):
Future Metro.
At our midway through the yearlist was at number six, that
sounds about right.
Let me see where Blue Lips was.

Speaker 1 (01:04:04):
Blue Lips was higher.

Speaker 3 (01:04:07):
Blue Lips was number four at our midway point.
I say, maybe go Blue Lips wasnumber four at our midway point.
So I say, maybe go Blue Lipsand Future Metro.
And then I am God.

Speaker 2 (01:04:21):
I can live with that for right now.
Yeah, once we take a look at it, we have to.

Speaker 1 (01:04:25):
So we're putting Metro and the Future over the
school boy?
Is that what you're saying?

Speaker 3 (01:04:30):
No, I said school boy at number seven.

Speaker 1 (01:04:33):
School boy at seven?
Yeah, and then Metro in thefuture.

Speaker 3 (01:04:36):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (01:04:38):
And then I Am God, will be nine Yep.

Speaker 3 (01:04:41):
And then we can squabble up over ten.

Speaker 1 (01:04:43):
Squabble up.

Speaker 2 (01:04:47):
Where did I have mock ?

Speaker 1 (01:04:47):
homie.
We had that.
I was on the mock.
I didn't know how y'all feltabout the mock.

Speaker 3 (01:04:54):
You took me on the mock it would make my top 10,
but at our mid year review itwas number 8 it was pretty tough
, man, it was tough this is Iwouldn't put it over the comment
Pete, though, or the Sky.

Speaker 1 (01:05:13):
Zoo, let me throw something at y'all.
The Dog Pound album we all wegot was really really dope y'all
we had that at number 9 at ourmid year review.

Speaker 3 (01:05:23):
And then you said one of one Coop.
We had that in our top 5 earlyon at our mid year review.
We had that at the number fivespot.

Speaker 1 (01:05:31):
I don't love how it held up, but I do like the highs
of the highs of that album.
I do think the future albumproved to be the better album
over the course of time in termsof reprint.

Speaker 3 (01:05:41):
I didn't go back to it a whole lot.

Speaker 1 (01:05:45):
Goodbye for the moment.
Goodbye for the moment.

Speaker 3 (01:05:48):
So my buy-ins for that Tim spot is either going to
be Common Pete Sky Zoo orBlacks and Whites with Big Hit
and Hit Boy and Alchemist.
Those are my three.

Speaker 1 (01:06:03):
I got Blacks.
Okay, so I'll tell you what.
Here's my 11 through 15.
I got Blacks and Whites at 11.
I got Summertime Butch at 12.
I got the Auditorium at 13.
I got we All.
We Got by the Dog Pound at 14.
I got Rich Ass Haitian by MaKami at 15.

(01:06:23):
That's my 11 through 15.

Speaker 3 (01:06:25):
No, no, might delete later love, that's number 16.
This is man Might delete later.

Speaker 2 (01:06:30):
love, that's number 16.
This is man.
What do you what?

Speaker 3 (01:06:33):
do you what?
Do you excuse me?
So we we talked about.
We talked about, uh, theanniversary joint being taken
off of you only die once, butyou still include it as part of
the album, so might delete lateras a project.
The diss song 7 Minute Drillhas been taken off, has been

(01:06:54):
deleted, but I actually thinkthe project is better without
that on there.
But we have that.
You know the Dreamville, youknow concert associated with it.

Speaker 1 (01:07:05):
So I don't think it helps or hurts the project.
It's still.
It's still too damn low If it'sthe only project that he's
releasing this year, cause Ihave some questions.
Well, I mean, think about itlike this, Think about this Even
for people that this is why I'dbe like, oh, I'm hating on
Kendrick.

Speaker 3 (01:07:24):
It's like on my list I have GNX tied at five but I
have myX tied at 5, but I havemy delete later at 16.
Does it sound like I'm hating?
I mean, you hate no matter whatCoop.

Speaker 1 (01:07:37):
I mean, I don't know what to tell you.
First of all, why don't youblack him out when he says shit
like this?

Speaker 3 (01:07:43):
No, because he wants it to be put on full display.
He wants it to be put on fulldisplay.
That's what Sean wants Exactlywho's our number 10?

Speaker 1 (01:07:53):
Give me y'all's 11 through 15.

Speaker 3 (01:07:56):
Yeah, I just named about four or five modules that
I want for 10.
Sean what you got.

Speaker 1 (01:08:02):
I'm with you on Blacks and Whites.
I'm not with you on theAuditorium.
I'm not putting that album inthe top 10.

Speaker 3 (01:08:07):
How did you feel about the Sky Zoo?
Though, no didn, I'm notputting that album in the top 10
.

Speaker 1 (01:08:10):
How did you feel about the Sky Zoo, though?

Speaker 2 (01:08:11):
No, didn't make my top 20.
It was in my top 20.

Speaker 1 (01:08:16):
How about this?
I had to pick between MasterAces, richmond Hill and Sky Zoos
, and I picked Master Aces.
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:08:27):
And that's the thing I don't know, fellas, we may
have to reevaluate this, becauseit's too much, it's a, it's a
log jam.

Speaker 3 (01:08:34):
We got too much of a log jam and this is exactly what
I mean about how 11 through 20was going to be right and I
think it's a bunch of shittogether.

Speaker 2 (01:08:42):
I think we're starting to see 1 through 10
play out the same way because Ithink blacks and whites is the
one.

Speaker 1 (01:08:49):
Hold on, where do you have blacks and whites AG?

Speaker 3 (01:08:51):
let's see, I had it at uh 11 yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:08:56):
I have it at 11 too, sean.
Where do you have it?

Speaker 2 (01:08:59):
see, I had it at 12 but I had a higher in the very
beginning.

Speaker 3 (01:09:03):
I had it back some white but that's not at like
eight, I think, in the beginningbut that's not, like you know,
I'm saying a far fetched if wehad it around 11, 12 spot, to
put it in 10, because onlyreason why I got it at 11 is
because I had tom and pete rodand then sky zoo ahead of it and

(01:09:23):
y'all had those albums bothreal low.
So outside of outside of umthose two albums, I don't have
any other albums above Black andWhites on my list.

Speaker 1 (01:09:33):
Me neither.
So it sounds like Black andWhites is the one that.
Because I have one of one,because, hold on, how about this
?
Here are my albums.
All my albums are in the top 10, except for one of one.
Forgot about one of one.
I take Blacks and.

Speaker 3 (01:09:50):
Whites over one of one.
Hmm, forgot about 101, so Itake blacks and whites over 101.

Speaker 1 (01:09:53):
I might take blacks and whites over at the time, no,
but but replay value.
Now I might take blacks andwhites over 101 too that's the
only one that I have that's notin my top 10.
That didn't make it.

Speaker 3 (01:10:04):
Well, it's funny you say that because at our our mid
uh, mid mid-year report, we hadhad one of one at number five
and blacks and whites at numbersix.

Speaker 1 (01:10:15):
Yeah, so we're being consistent.

Speaker 3 (01:10:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:10:22):
So has it flipped, or is it still one of one?

Speaker 3 (01:10:24):
My vote is for blacks and whites.
Sean, what's your vote?
I'll go with whatever y'all sayit should have stopped.

Speaker 2 (01:10:29):
My vote is for blacks and whites.

Speaker 3 (01:10:30):
Sean what's your vote .

Speaker 1 (01:10:31):
My vote is I can't talk.

Speaker 2 (01:10:31):
I'll go with whatever y'all say.
It's just a time period, man.
That's that diplomacy I betalking about.
Because here's the thing,fellas, everyone does a top 10,
top 20 list right.
We may need to change thecourse of things and do it a
different way, because there'stoo many logjams how you got
like four or five albums thatcan really fight each other for

(01:10:53):
number one through number fiveeasily.
We may need to do a tearingsystem that changes the whole
dynamic of what we're talkingabout.
It's too much of a log jambecause what, what?

Speaker 1 (01:11:04):
what?
What john?
When I was doing my list and Iwas doing my top 20, I actually
did something, I don't know why.
I was thinking about collegebasketball season and I was like
, well, I want to see how manyteams and that's how I looked at
it.
I looked at these albums liketeams.
I was like I want to know howmany teams from each region made

(01:11:25):
the tournament this year, andso I kind of set it up like a
bracket.
So in my top 20 list five and ahalf of the albums came from
the East Coast.
The half is the Pete Rock.
For the Pete Rock and Common, Igave it a half East Coast, half
Midwest, because Common's fromChi-Town, pete Rock's from Mount
Vernon.
I like that.
Okay.
The West Coast got six albums.

(01:11:49):
The South got five albums.
Now the Midwest got three and ahalf albums.
But the Midwest was the onlyregion that had two of my top
five albums, because I hadFreddie and I Am God in my top
five.
They were my one and my numberfour.

Speaker 3 (01:12:06):
But I like that you did that Coop because that just
shows that, even thougheverything is kind of clumped
together, it was a very balancedyear.

Speaker 1 (01:12:10):
And that's what I was actually thinking, is that that
you did that Coop, because thatjust shows that, even though
everything is kind of clumpedtogether, it was a very balanced
year, and that's what I wasactually thinking is that when
you said that, sean, it made methink we might need to just
start bracketing it off byregion and letting people vote
and decide, because it is sotight these days, like a year
like this makes me think, likeand I've run it down the albums

(01:12:31):
between 15 to 40 we could argueabout for the next 30 days 15 to
40 we could argue about.
We could argue about 15 to 40for the next 30, 40 days.
We really really could.
And so and so when I did it andI and I kind of bracketed mine
off by region, like that, likeyou would like a tournament
bracket, like you know what Imean, like Duke and North

(01:12:52):
Carolina usually get a numberone seed in the south or the
east, depending on how wellKentucky or Villanova does for
the year and stuff.
So what do you think aboutbracketing it off by seed?
Because if we were to bracketit off by seed, it's like, well,
the Midwest would have thenumber one overall seed with
Freddie Gibbs, which you onlyonly die once.
You know what I'm saying.

(01:13:12):
So Freddie would have the youknow the lowest competitor from.
You know what I'm saying.
And we just start, you know,breaking it down and we and we
pick the albums.
Like that way, what do youthink about?
Like a little bracketology?

Speaker 2 (01:13:27):
I like that.
I like that better than this.
This traditional way like that,better than this traditional
way of doing it, thistraditional way of doing it.
We're not going to get nowhere,honestly, because we're going
in circles.
Our list will change bytomorrow.
If we do a top 10 tonight,it'll change by tomorrow by
looking at it.

Speaker 1 (01:13:43):
All right, well, let's, how about this?
Let's come up with like our ownlittle tournament bracket.

Speaker 3 (01:13:50):
It's probably 15 will be the way to go.

Speaker 1 (01:13:53):
Huh, 16 will probably be the way to go.
I was actually thinking, aj, Icould, I could do 48 albums this
year.
That's what I mean aboutactually doing like actual
bracket, like I thought you weretalking about.

Speaker 3 (01:14:05):
if you're doing the best of the regions or whatever,
like four from each region, I'msorry, like if you do, you do
like a sweet 16, you know whatI'm saying.
Four from each region and thenbracket that out.
We'll see what meets in themiddle for the best album.
You know what I'm saying?
Rank them joints by seating.

Speaker 1 (01:14:24):
We can see it was a pretty deep year.
I can give you about 32 to 48projects.

Speaker 3 (01:14:29):
Yeah, four, four East , a pretty deep year I can give
you about 32 to 48 projects FourEast Coast, four West Coast,
four Midwest and four down South.
That way you don't got to gettoo deep, Just pick the best of
the best Top four scenes.

Speaker 1 (01:14:42):
That's cool.
We can do some refining andtalking about it behind the
scenes a little bit.
That sounds like a plan.
Are we cool with this list?
Is Blacks and Whites going tobe our 10 for now?

Speaker 3 (01:14:53):
It's a working list, but yeah, that's looking like
what we're going with for number10 for now.

Speaker 1 (01:14:58):
I like that.
Let me go through some superchats right quick.
Get caught up.
My mere thoughts with the 199.
Y'all forced me to deleteCordae from my playlist.
No, corday is cool.
We like corday.
We just don't love corday.
Let's give an explanation whyit's a like and not a love.
That's the thumb up instead ofa heart.
You know what I mean, jermainejohnson.
What up 999 super chat.

(01:15:19):
Appreciate you, brother.
Common and pete, rock ll andq-tip snoop and dray killer mike
.
Let's take a moment toappreciate the quality projects
that our legends are giving usand the new normal of 50 year
old mc still rapping at a highlevel.
You know what we're gonna.
We're gonna keep the glass halffull and respect that.
Jermaine johnson, you're right,the legends are still putting in
quality work at an advanced ageand stage when we used to think

(01:15:41):
rappers careers were done at 25, when we were kids.
Jermaine johnson one more timewith the 199 super chat.
Naz kind of started this wavewith his hit boy run.
We're aware, sir.
Thank you for reminding we gotany more.
We got a few more Super Chats.
Ill Magic with the $9.99 SuperChat.
I mixed up my list includinglate release albums from late

(01:16:05):
last year with this year, makingthe list more surprising and
interesting.
Fascinating.
Mad Max max no list valid ifyou don't got out a golem one.
I don't know about that.
Mad max, mad max, one of one isbetter than blacks and whites.
Stop it.
I mean, see, I might besouthern bias, so I might prefer

(01:16:26):
to hear one on one, like mepersonally it's close, it's like
, either way you go.
That's one of those thingsthat's either or it's like.
I don't really like care eitherway at the end of the day,
because both projects are likesuper high quality.
All right, that's it for theSuper Chats.
We're all caught up.
So, ag, so you're thinking, doa 4-4.

(01:16:48):
What do you think about an8-8-8?
That's what I mean about doingthe 32.

Speaker 3 (01:16:54):
I think it would be easier to do four from each
region, because if you do eight,you know for each region you
got to really like get in yourbag as far as like filling out
the eight, like, say, if you itmight be a struggle to pull
eight Midwest joints.
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:17:14):
See, that's what I mean.
A year like this, I don't thinkit's as big of a struggle as
you think, because you gotsomebody like Event Staples
hanging out there, whose darktimes we didn't discuss much.
We have a Larry June album.
We didn't talk about much, youknow what I mean.
You got that Dog Pound album,you got the Q, you got the
Kendrick.
Yeah there's joints out there.

Speaker 3 (01:17:35):
And Lupe would be another Midwest joint Lupe yeah
that's what I'm saying, andBodhi.
Bodhi would be one.

Speaker 1 (01:17:43):
Bodhi got two.
The Bricktionary just came out.
Bricktionary was up there, yeah, so there's stuff to choose
from.
The I Am God joint I Am God'sfirst joint came out earlier.

Speaker 3 (01:17:52):
I mean you might have to grab the Big Sean album to
make eight for the Midwest.

Speaker 1 (01:17:58):
No, I can grab both Boldy projects, both I Am God
projects.

Speaker 3 (01:18:00):
Eminem's still in my top 20.

Speaker 1 (01:18:02):
The Eminem project.

Speaker 3 (01:18:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:18:05):
Oh, there's plenty Midwest to do eight this year.

Speaker 3 (01:18:08):
Yeah, we Midwest to do eight.
This year we could do eight.

Speaker 1 (01:18:11):
It'll be fun.

Speaker 3 (01:18:13):
The seedings will be the hardest part, though.

Speaker 1 (01:18:16):
Let's do a little bracketology.
I'll try to come up with atentative seed and then I'll
slide it across your desk, ag,and you can tell me what you
think.

Speaker 3 (01:18:23):
No doubt, no doubt, we'll do that.
Y'all seeing us cook in realtime.

Speaker 1 (01:18:29):
I like that a lot.
I like that a lot.
I like that a lot.
So, fellas, where we want to gonext.
We want to cover these DMXanniversaries now.
We kind of cool with our top 10tentatively for now.
Yep Anniversaries, a littlepress play.
We didn't have any Discorddialogues this week, did we no?

Speaker 2 (01:18:47):
No.

Speaker 1 (01:18:48):
Good.
Last one was DJ Clue.
I was like oh, we slackingwe're following up.

Speaker 3 (01:18:56):
Shout out to Clue man .
Okay, I want to show love tothe DJs man.

Speaker 1 (01:19:05):
You know what One of my, my brother, used to rap too?
My favorite bar of his, wherehe was like I'm gonna start
pimping hoes, put them on ebay,fuck everybody, but the dj.

Speaker 2 (01:19:14):
That was my favorite shit my brother ever said that's
crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:19:18):
Dj show, dj love man, fuck everybody but the dj.
He did show the dj love.
I was like that is great, djlove.
I said the dj is one because itwas my record that he said it
when I was like the DJ's goingto want to spill it when he
hears this shit.
I'm definitely not talking thatway about the DJ Doing that
shit.

Speaker 3 (01:19:36):
Some of my favorite rap moments ever came from Clue,
and you know what I'm sayingand that sparked something.
We was talking about Discord,dialogues behind the scenes, me
and Sean, and going into the newyear, even though we didn't do
one for this week, we mightrevamp it to have a little bit
more flavor and a little bitmore variety.
Instead of artists or producersor what have you, we might do

(01:20:00):
Give it out.
Oh, okay, I thought we wasannouncing it.
Okay, we'll save it, then We'llsave it.

Speaker 2 (01:20:05):
Watch out, don't be surprised.
Somebody put the bracket jointon Twitter by tomorrow.
Watch out, don't be surprised.
Somebody put the bracket jointon Twitter by tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (01:20:10):
Yeah, that's true too People be stealing shit.

Speaker 2 (01:20:13):
Stealing shit man.

Speaker 1 (01:20:15):
I'm so used to people biting my style I do not know
what to do anymore.
I know that this 10-yearCabernet is not leathery anymore
.
It is open, it's full body,it's robust, now Very lush.

Speaker 2 (01:20:28):
Limousine liquor man.
What are you talking about, man?

Speaker 1 (01:20:32):
Look here, this little 10-year-old Cabernet,
this little 2014 Cabernet fromNorth Napa Valley I know some
people run a little B&B up there.
Small allocation, smallallocation, a little something
personal for Coops in MerryChristmas.
Appreciate y'all, love y'all.
This is Cabernet, sir, althoughI do have Something personal
for Coop's in Merry.

Speaker 2 (01:20:50):
Christmas, appreciate y'all, love y'all Coop Jake is
Zippendale.

Speaker 1 (01:20:52):
This is Cabernet, sir , although I do have a nice
Martinelli Zippendale.
In the cooler, though there isa nice Martinelli Zippendale.
Yes, there is Not my style.
Zippendale is for company.
You know what I'm saying.
It's not for me.
The company is nasty, that'snasty.

(01:21:13):
Watch your tone.
Not all company is like yourcompany.
We know what type of companyyou like to keep.
All right, honey pat.

Speaker 3 (01:21:21):
All right, I'm just sitting here laughing, man.
What did I do?
Let's say nothing, All right.
Moving on Anniversaries manMusic anniversary.

Speaker 1 (01:21:30):
Lake County, lake County to be exact.
Look it up, all right, anyway.
So on December 21st 1999, wehave Flesh of my Flesh, blood of
my Blood by DMX, I'm sorry,1998's Flesh of my Flesh, blood
of my Blood, yeah.
And December 22nd 1999, we have.

(01:21:50):
And then there was X.
So you know, starting to noticethis trend where our biggest
artists tend to be dropping inDecember, you start seeing how
important DMX was to Def Jamwith these albums.
It's like no, you were going todrop right before Christmas and
take everybody's last dollar.
Everybody's last dollar belongsto Def Jam, courtesy of DMX.

(01:22:12):
What are your thoughts aboutFlushing my Flesh?

Speaker 3 (01:22:17):
Did they put an extra clause or some bonus in his
contract if he could releaseagain before the year was out?

Speaker 1 (01:22:24):
I believe they did give him an extra million
dollars or something like that.

Speaker 3 (01:22:27):
Yeah, because they said if you can do it, and he
was like, yeah, I could do it,do it.
And he locked in with swiss andgot it done.
Um, I think the conversation isbecause everybody knows as dark
as hell, as hot as his, youknow magnum opus, um, and then
there was x, is his biggestselling album, did five times
platinum, if I'm not mistaken.
But um, I think theconversation is for what is his

(01:22:50):
second best album.
And then there was X, or fleshof my flesh.
I think that's where theconversation lies.

Speaker 1 (01:22:57):
See, for me it's not a conversation Flesh of my flesh
is clearly a second best album,like I don't think.
And then there was X.
For me, I think, because it'shis biggest selling record,
because it has some of hisbigger crossover hits, like
Party Up what these Bitches Wantis on there.
Those records are pretty big.

(01:23:18):
I love what's my Name.
What's my Name is one of my topfive DMX records for me
personally.
And Then there Was X is prettyepic.

Speaker 3 (01:23:29):
Party.

Speaker 1 (01:23:29):
Up is on Then.

Speaker 3 (01:23:30):
There is on on.
Then there was x that's what Isaid oh okay, I thought you said
it was on flesh, my flesh, myfault, no no, for me, flesh and
my flesh is still like, howabout this?

Speaker 1 (01:23:45):
you can tell that he's got money, but it's not
enough to take the hood out ofhim yet, like, and then there
was x as a more polished versionof dmx.
It is, it is no the, the guythat's still hungry, like some
of the.
The hunger is still evident,like on flesh and my flesh.

(01:24:07):
In terms of like, there'ssomething about his voice on
those first two albums that isso.
It's so brutal and so honestand so vicious in a good way for
an artist and he was never ableto recapture that because it's
one of those things that's sohard to recapture.
But he's still that on flesh ofmy flesh and that's his, that's

(01:24:28):
his pulling point, because hecan say things that another
rapper can say and it doesn'tsound as impactful as in when he
says it.

Speaker 3 (01:24:38):
You know, for me, I think that overall and then
there was X is a better albumthan Flesh of my Flesh, because
going back and listen to it,that Casio keyboard sounding
production doesn't hold, youknow, doesn't have the same
power with me in 2024.
But if I'm listening to thatalbum, my favorite three songs

(01:25:03):
off both albums are on Flesh ofmy Flesh, which would be
Blackout.
We Don't Give a F and thenSlippin'.
But outside of that I think itgoes to Flesh of my Flesh.
I mean, I'm sorry, I think itgoes to.
Then there Was X.

Speaker 1 (01:25:18):
See, that's the thing .
How about this?
And Then there Was X.
Might be a better productionjob, but Flesh of my Flesh has
Slippin' the Omen Blackout.
Ain't no Way when I'm From.
Keep your Shit Hardest, I don'tknow.
Those six records alone arebetter than everything on.

(01:25:40):
And Then there Was X to me, theOmen Going Into Slippin', Going
Into Ain't Got no Love, which Ithink goes in the blackout.
I mean it yeah yeah, it's atough run that's just like that

(01:26:01):
run is is is just as good as anyrun on this.
Dark and hell is hot, damn nearlike it's.
It's pretty tough the the thetough part about it is Swiss's
production, but there is somedope Swiss stuff on there Like I
don't, like I like ain't no waythat boom boom, boom, boom,
boom boom.
Like it sounds dope Like X hasfound a way to freak it Like

(01:26:23):
where, where it sounds nice, andhe's, he's still in in the in
that, uh, it's dark and hell ishot zone for the most part, I
and he's still in that it's Darkand Hell is Hot zone for the
most part, I think it's hissecond best album.

Speaker 2 (01:26:34):
I think the tone on Flesh in my Flesh felt so
different than the first album,because these albums are only a
few months apart but they feellike they're worlds apart.
They feel like they are acouple of years apart, which is
really interesting, because hestill had that bite in him, no
pun intended, he was still doingwhat X do, but it was just

(01:26:58):
different.
It just felt different.
I don't know why.
To me it felt different when Iwent to boot camp in 98, I just
heard it's dark and hell is hot.
When I was in boot camp.
This is when Flesh on Flesh cameout.
So I didn't hear it untilJanuary.
And when I heard it in Januaryit was like my goodness, you did

(01:27:18):
it again, but at a differentclip.
And I'm not saying that becauseit's better than the first
album.
But I felt like man, it soundsso different, sounds fresher
than the first album.
The first album probably wasconceptualized in 97, maybe it
came out in 98.
This one sounds like it wasmade in the back half of 98 with
Swizz, and I think this iswhere Swizz probably hit his

(01:27:41):
zenith as a producer, because Idon't think Swizz produced
anything as great as this albumin totality after that.

Speaker 3 (01:27:50):
No, I agree.
I like his work on we Are theStreets, but it wasn't as good
as on this.

Speaker 1 (01:27:55):
It wasn't as good as on this one.
No, it's not as good as this.
His EP, the Joint that has Echoand Pistol On my Side.
That's his second bestproduction job to me Absolutely.

Speaker 3 (01:28:06):
He didn't even do Echo.
Dj Crash did that.

Speaker 2 (01:28:09):
Yeah, he tried to front like he did, yeah, nah,
and then it was X to me, was Ijust?
I think that's when X reallystarted getting commercialized.

Speaker 1 (01:28:20):
Uh-huh.

Speaker 2 (01:28:20):
Polished, that's why.

Speaker 1 (01:28:22):
I was trying to say it in a nice way, but that's the
polished version of X.
It's like well, I like that guy.
I don't love that guy.
The guy on the first film islike no, no, no, I love that guy
.
It's like that's the guy thatI'm riding with.

Speaker 2 (01:28:32):
I was never a fan of Party Up.
I'm be honest with you.

Speaker 3 (01:28:36):
I don't like Party Up .

Speaker 2 (01:28:38):
I didn't like it.

Speaker 3 (01:28:39):
I love what y'all want.
You know what I'm saying.
You know what I'm saying that'sjust okay, okay.

Speaker 1 (01:28:48):
So that's what I mean about the polished version of
him.

Speaker 3 (01:28:52):
Oh, no, no, no, the joint one, and then it was at
Steve.

Speaker 1 (01:28:55):
Oh, thanks.

Speaker 3 (01:28:58):
Yeah, that joint was grimy, I like that.

Speaker 2 (01:29:01):
We were fighting so much in the closing that someone
came out.
That was my shit.

Speaker 1 (01:29:05):
That's one of the best records to me.

Speaker 2 (01:29:07):
Yeah, oh yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:29:11):
What's my Name is the name of that joint.
I could think of a cool oneyeah.

Speaker 1 (01:29:15):
Yeah, the black, white people, I'll be the best.
You see the rest.
They looking like they need torest.
One more time I'm going to getyou some shit that's going to be
splitting Be.
Stop talking shit.

Speaker 3 (01:29:27):
Yeah, jay even popped up in the video.
That's why Jay had to make acameo in the video.

Speaker 2 (01:29:32):
He popped in for that one Ghost and Kappa was in the
video.
Yep, sure was Ghost had a goalball.

Speaker 1 (01:29:40):
Okay, you got one more time with this Kappa shit.
What he was in the video.
He was in the video, I know, Iknow.

Speaker 3 (01:29:50):
You too, somebody can't even be in, I know, I know
, somebody can't even be in thevideo.

Speaker 1 (01:29:56):
You're just trying to sneak the pillage in whenever
you want you be pillaging, thepillage in the show.

Speaker 2 (01:30:01):
I'm just saying.

Speaker 1 (01:30:02):
You pillaging the pillage into the show.

Speaker 2 (01:30:05):
You got to get the hot artists in your video.

Speaker 1 (01:30:07):
That was the first I got you, man.

Speaker 2 (01:30:10):
I got you in that other stuff, your video.
That was the first.
That was the least single man.
Just send me my Wu-Tang mug.
I got you, man.
I got you and that other stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:30:12):
You know what I'm saying and shout out to my
fiance man this is the dopeChristmas joint.
You know what I'm saying?
She got my prayer on lock.
Yes, sir, you got my jointright here, you know, but I'm

(01:30:32):
joking, mine is signed byKillasen.

Speaker 1 (01:30:34):
Those things are not worth any money.
Why would you devalue thoselike that?
They were collector's items, soyou did that.
That's ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (01:30:42):
But no man.
That was the first single Ithink off of, and Then there Was
X right, yes, and it was a hugefirst single, it I think off of
.
And Then there Was X right, yes, and it was a huge first single
.

Speaker 1 (01:30:51):
It was a huge first single, and that was a really
B-style single at that.
Well, here's the thing about it.
It is super rare that somebodycomes out and does four million
records sold first of all yeahIn the 90s and then the same
year.

Speaker 2 (01:31:07):
With that music, with that kind of music.

Speaker 1 (01:31:08):
Goes and sells another three, pretty much damn
near four.
So he pretty much just goesfour, four and then five.

Speaker 3 (01:31:17):
Crazy.
I don't think anybody's had athree album run like that out
the gate.

Speaker 2 (01:31:22):
No.

Speaker 3 (01:31:22):
No one Maybe Eminem.

Speaker 1 (01:31:26):
M is different though M is different.
Yeah, it's.

Speaker 3 (01:31:31):
X and 50.

Speaker 1 (01:31:32):
Yeah 50,.

Speaker 3 (01:31:33):
Yeah, it's X and 50.
Yeah, and then M and M, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:31:43):
Because 50 shit goes.
50 went diamond, I believe,with Get Rich right, or did it
get close to diamond?
It was like eight or nine, itwent over crazy yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:31:58):
You there, cool, we're having technical
difficulty.

Speaker 2 (01:32:03):
You're on mute we can't hear you all right.

Speaker 3 (01:32:13):
Yeah, I have to tap out and come back in, but yeah x
had a hell of a run coming outthe gate.

Speaker 2 (01:32:17):
But he did.
He did because I think theycarry your, I think, the only
difference between Flesh of myFlesh and then it was X.
I just didn't like Party Up, Ijust didn't like it.
I thought it was just Icouldn't get into it.
It served its purpose, thoughit did.

Speaker 3 (01:32:34):
Party Up is why, specifically, this is how I sell
an album.

Speaker 2 (01:32:39):
I don't know AG, because I think having Cisco on
what these ones, what these?

Speaker 1 (01:32:43):
I think that was I come back in and you're talking
about Cisco.

Speaker 2 (01:32:48):
You kind of got to, don't forget.

Speaker 3 (01:32:50):
That single was heavy .

Speaker 2 (01:32:52):
Cisco was heavy that year too, Don't forget.

Speaker 3 (01:32:55):
You know Gloria Velez riding on the car.
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:33:02):
You can't look, you can't.

Speaker 1 (01:33:04):
Now what I'd like to talk about Is Gloria Velez
riding on the car.
You can skip the Cisco talk,Skip to that part, not the Cisco
Shout out to Gloria Velez.

Speaker 3 (01:33:16):
Yeah, the youngins in the chat Wasn't around during
that era, but use your Google.

Speaker 1 (01:33:20):
Shout out to Melissa Ford too.

Speaker 3 (01:33:22):
She was in there too.
I don't care what these fuckingrappers say about you.

Speaker 1 (01:33:24):
but use your Googles, shout out to Melissa Ford too.
She was in there too.
I don't care what these fuckingrappers say about you.

Speaker 2 (01:33:29):
And they were all on Cisco.
Cisco was doing backflips andfrontflips.

Speaker 1 (01:33:34):
I don't care if they was on Cisco, Mad Dog 2020, St
Ives.
I don't care what they was on.

Speaker 2 (01:33:40):
Cisco was on one of them, yo, so you can't mention
that without the Cisco stimuluspackage too.

Speaker 3 (01:33:49):
That sounded wild, that sounded crazy.
That single was huge.
That's one of them ones.

Speaker 2 (01:34:00):
It was huge.
We got you're going crazy Pause.

Speaker 1 (01:34:03):
We got super, we got.
No, you're going crazy Pause.
We got super chats.
How y'all feel about Ab Soulalbum from Ill Magic $199.
Super chat how you feel aboutAb Soul it didn't make my top 20
.

Speaker 2 (01:34:15):
Top 20, but it was a dope album.
It wasn't going crazy over.

Speaker 3 (01:34:19):
I don't feel I remember I listened to that on
the way to North Carolina whenwe was, like you know, pulling
up to meet, and I was just iffyon it.
It was OK, I like Herbertbetter.

Speaker 1 (01:34:29):
OK, that album ain't no good.
Next, ok, all right, mad Max,with the $9.99 Super Chat.
Ready to meet him?
X, best song.
And then there was X bettersong.
Start to finish Well, ready tomeet him is hard.
Once again, I know that I'mright, because Mad Max is giving
me evidence that he doesn'tknow shit.

(01:34:50):
Once again, it's still flesh inmy flesh.
This is the proof, because MadMax thinks it.
And then there was X is better.
Ready to meet him is dope.

Speaker 3 (01:35:00):
Super dope.

Speaker 1 (01:35:01):
I forgot slipping, laughed my ass off, damn.
My parents played that joint tokeep me calm whenever I was
getting wild, so they played itevery day, 24-7.
Who said that, mad Max?

Speaker 2 (01:35:12):
Mad Max is on.

Speaker 1 (01:35:12):
Ritalin?
Yeah, definitely.
You can tell Mad Max bipolar Alittle touch of schizophrenia.

Speaker 3 (01:35:21):
Yo man, that's crazy.
Back to what they want, Hold on.

Speaker 1 (01:35:26):
I'm not done with the super chat.
He was tired of pulling theswitch on me.
Laugh emoji.
Okay, Coop, you might have apoint.
First of all, I have points allthe time.
You've gotten better from thelast four years from my points
Talking about I might have apoint.

Speaker 2 (01:35:43):
What is that, Max?

Speaker 1 (01:35:48):
Getting a beat while playing Slippin' is crazy,
that's very dusty Getting a beatwith a switch while Slippin' is
playing.

Speaker 3 (01:35:53):
That ain't so crazy.
I don't even want to say whatwas on the soundtrack to me
getting my butt beat, man.
It's all kind of stuff that wasplaying in the background.

Speaker 2 (01:36:03):
I'm pretty sure it was slipping, getting the beat,
and slipping is crazy though,like getting the switch while
slipping is playing in thebackground.

Speaker 1 (01:36:13):
Yo.
Then there was the drama withmy mama while you were getting
your ass beat.
Does it make you feel some typeof way, while you were getting
your ass beat and the drama withyour mama bar comes on?
Does it make you feel some typeof way while you were getting
your ass beat and the drama withyour mama bar comes on?
Does it make you feel some typeof way?
Do?
You need to talk to a therapistHip-hop talks cares no, not for

(01:36:35):
that Get the.
I like how Sean is consistentlyan asshole.
I offered Matt Max a beer.
Sean, stop that shit.
It was like no, not here, notat Hip Hop Talks.
Don't do that here at Hip HopTalks.

Speaker 2 (01:36:59):
Yo, that's Matt Max man.
That's wild Slippin' to beathim.
I'm gonna put a slip in on realquick.
It's gonna get that switchwhile we at it.

Speaker 1 (01:37:08):
Okay, so how about this?
If we're rating Flesh to myFlesh and then there was X today
, what are you rating them?

Speaker 3 (01:37:16):
Shit Four and a half at least on both.

Speaker 1 (01:37:18):
I don't know, man, I think it's a four and a half and
then a four.
So I feel like I feel like myproblem with X if I'm going to
have a problem is is that,although the first three albums
are great, I would go five, fourand a half probably four.

Speaker 3 (01:37:33):
Oh, that was my thought.
While he's reading the superchats, the uh, what they want,
like the Cisco joint.
That was probably one of themost iconic moments in hip hop.
When he's naming all the chicks, that was something that lived
forever in time, Like you knowwhat I'm saying.
When he's naming all the chicksin the verse of the song, that
was a big moment.

Speaker 1 (01:37:52):
I mean not me, I'm crazy.
So I snatched a couple of girlsup.

Speaker 2 (01:37:55):
It's like you've been fucking with X-Nic, that's your
insecurities when you'regetting the best of you.

Speaker 1 (01:38:00):
That and get the best of you.
That was crazy.
You know what I'm saying.
That's Greensboro Coop.
You know what I'm saying.
I snatched him up, Fuck bitch.
What have you?

Speaker 3 (01:38:09):
been doing bitch.
They're going to have money.

Speaker 1 (01:38:13):
Oh yeah, have money, there you go, have money, it's
gone right there.
Just like to let you know.
Hold on, ask Andrew.
If Andrew can you get to itbefore they get to it.

Speaker 2 (01:38:24):
Wow, that is crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:38:27):
No, no, no, what was crazy was me in Greensboro,
because I really did check achick one night.
I was like yo, I was like Iknow, you know this, nigga X.

Speaker 3 (01:38:35):
X did his thing.
Man X got a rap.

Speaker 2 (01:38:37):
That's at Cisco, man.

Speaker 1 (01:38:39):
They ran wild in there, man Cisco shit.

Speaker 2 (01:38:44):
Shout out to Cisco man Yo, cisco was going crazy
man.
That album was phenomenal.
That was not phenomenal whatCisco's first album?

Speaker 3 (01:38:52):
Yeah, Cisco's first album was dope Coop, Don't do
that.
And the Drew.
Hill choice was dope.

Speaker 2 (01:38:58):
That Cisco album had no misses.

Speaker 1 (01:39:01):
No misses, he's alright, but Cool that.

Speaker 2 (01:39:04):
Cisco album had no misses.
No misses, he's all right.
Cool Now.
Cisco Almond had no misses.

Speaker 3 (01:39:07):
I think it's just because of Cisco.
Cisco had that joint where,like you know who he was, you
didn't give his music the credit.
I love Drew Hill.

Speaker 2 (01:39:16):
I love Drew Hill, but that's the group.
How can you not?

Speaker 1 (01:39:20):
Honestly, how can you not Banger Enter the Drew?
Oh, I'd like to thank Enter theDrew for my freshman year.

Speaker 3 (01:39:27):
Why can't you give Cisco credit?
Sean is giving Cisco credit,and then Sean, you know, and
Cisco.

Speaker 1 (01:39:38):
All right, I'm sorry.
I'm sorry You're asking me no,no, hold on, hold on, hold on.
I just want to get thisstraight.
You're asking me why SeanHoneypack, sean, is
complimenting a man.

Speaker 2 (01:39:52):
A legendary Sean.
That's a weird love, Honeypack.

Speaker 1 (01:39:55):
Honeypack, honeypack, honeypack is still early 2024.
It's still 2024, nigga, you gotsix days.

Speaker 3 (01:40:02):
We're supposed to be talking about 1998-1999.
I don't think those were thesame so Cisco's most famous song
?

Speaker 1 (01:40:12):
this is terrible.
Cisco's most famous song is thethong song, and you're
wondering why Honeypack Seanover there is cosigning what I
didn't think that Sean's twitterhandle should be hashtag nasty
work.
Co-signing what?
That's my favorite song.
I didn't think that song wasgoing to be.
Charles' Twitter handle shouldbe hashtag nasty work, like,
okay, like, of course, mikeshould go.

Speaker 2 (01:40:29):
AJ's just sitting here too, man, he's just sitting
there.

Speaker 3 (01:40:34):
Yo man, can we go?
Can we go to the nextanniversary?
We got volume three, man, let'skeep it rolling.
Aj, the next anniversary we gotvolume three.

Speaker 2 (01:40:43):
Man, let's keep it rolling.
You just sit here.
Last note on Anthony it was X.
The last song was on why DoGood Girls Like Bad Guys or
something like that?
I hated that song.
That song to me does.

Speaker 3 (01:40:53):
Yeah, that was his worst, One of his worst songs
ever.

Speaker 2 (01:40:56):
Why do good girls like bad guys?

Speaker 1 (01:40:58):
Okay, december 31st 1999, jay-z released volume
three, life and Times of SeanCarter.
I personally remember thisalbum because I was actually
working at a record store andgot an advance copy, and on that
advance copy there was thissong called well, there are

(01:41:18):
actually two songs on there.
There was one song calledAnything that I thought might
have been arguably the bestrecord on there, and then there
was another song called is thatyour bitch?
They didn't have any memphisbleak on there, just had missy
on the hook and three jay-zverses, and I actually thought
for a brief period of time,until I got the copy that was

(01:41:38):
released, that it was actuallybetter than volume two.
What are your thoughts aboutVolume 3, guys, because those
are mine.

Speaker 3 (01:41:46):
They actually got that version of Is that your
Chicken on streaming now, theoriginal one that leaked out on
the bootleg.

Speaker 1 (01:41:52):
They have it on streaming on his album.
Now, for me that's the recordthat really started the beat.

Speaker 3 (01:41:57):
Yeah, he tried to give Bleak the alley-oop on that
one and give it to his album,but it still didn't work out on
that one and give it to hisalbum but it still didn't work
out.

Speaker 1 (01:42:05):
Original but the original version leaking out,
yeah, and I do feel like thatsome of the album leaking out,
like the person who leaked itwas doing it to be petty and be
intentional, knowing that thatrecord leaking out was going to,
you know, stir some pots.

Speaker 3 (01:42:19):
That's a good point.
Um, anything I wasn't a hugefan of because I could tell that
was a blatant attempt torecapture Hard Knock Life with
the Annie Volume 3, I mean, thestuff he's saying on the record
is cool, but it was just ablatant attempt.
How many Broadway plays youwant to try to sample that's?

Speaker 1 (01:42:41):
wrong nigga, we're taking all the.
Diana Rosses and Annie shitthis year Nah.

Speaker 3 (01:42:46):
But nah, volume 3 is real polarizing for me because
he does have a lot of greatstuff on there, but I think it's
one of his worst albums.
If you're talking about fromtop to bottom, I think it's in
his bottom five.
I think it's in his bottom fivebut it is great stuff.
So Ghetto, come Get Me, and YMP, bottom five.

(01:43:09):
It's hot.
It's joints on there.
But I mean to me, if you wantto talk about Braveheart Party,
we're hitting the album down.
Pop for Rock, the joint withMariah, the things that you do
Terrible.
The S Carter withS Dot Carterwith a meal Terrible.
But, like I said, it does haveshining moments.

(01:43:30):
Do it again is one of myfavorite J verses of all time.

Speaker 1 (01:43:35):
Pretty up there, but.

Speaker 3 (01:43:36):
I still think it's in his bottom five album.

Speaker 1 (01:43:43):
Bottom five.
First of all, when you saybottom five, first of all when
you say bottom five 444.

Speaker 3 (01:43:48):
I don't have 444 in this bottom five.
I think 444 is better than this, no absolutely not so.

Speaker 1 (01:43:57):
First of all, whatever weed they have in West
Virginia.
Send it to me.
I'm off probation.
Send it to me now.
Send it to me.
I'm off probation.
Send it to me now.
Send it to me now Becauseyou've been smoking some of the
best shit.
You've been smoking some of thebest shit.
I went to college in Greensborowith a white girl named Kim
from West Virginia.
She used to bring me the bestweed.
You've been smoking the bestshit I might know, kim but I

(01:44:19):
don't even smoke.
You obviously were smokingbefore the show when you said
that 444, Kingdom Come.

Speaker 3 (01:44:29):
I think Kingdom Come is comparable.

Speaker 1 (01:44:32):
Oh no.

Speaker 3 (01:44:35):
I think Kingdom Come, Volume 3, and Blueprint 2 are
in the same wheelhouse.

Speaker 1 (01:44:39):
AG.
How can you say that when thisalbum has Do it Again and so
Ghetto at the top of it, I getit, but the lows are low low.
Snoopy track the lows are superlow.
The highs are stupid high.
The highs are stupid high.

Speaker 3 (01:44:59):
Hey, if you can hate on I Am, then I can sure as hell
hate on Volume 3.

Speaker 1 (01:45:03):
Volume 3 and I Am are very comparable, but I don't
hate on I Am.
Then I can sure as hell hate onVolume 3.
Volume 3 and I Am are verycomparable, but I don't hate on.
I Am.
I hate on Nostradamus.

Speaker 3 (01:45:09):
Hell, no, and what planet is.
Volume 3?
.

Speaker 1 (01:45:13):
Nostradamus deserves to be hated on.

Speaker 3 (01:45:15):
I will smoke you in a person's way.
I Am up against Volume 3, Coop.
We can take that to stationhead.

Speaker 1 (01:45:20):
No, you won't.

Speaker 3 (01:45:21):
I will smoke you.

Speaker 1 (01:45:22):
You're only going to win three records.

Speaker 3 (01:45:26):
Shit Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:45:28):
How about this?
The highs on Volume 3 areactually more consistent than
the highs on I Am.
The highs on I Am are higher,but they don't last as long, I
don't know.
After you win.
New York State of Mind and Nasis like you're in a whole lot of
trouble.

Speaker 3 (01:45:43):
Volume 3 ain't got an undying love, it ain't got a
small world, it ain't got afavor for a favor I'm sorry,
undying love ain't like that,nigga I play.

Speaker 1 (01:45:50):
Come and get me and undying love off the floor.
I remove your roof, nigga.
Let the sun slide in.
No, undying love is not betterthan Snoopy track we have to
take that to station.

Speaker 3 (01:46:03):
Here we got a pencil, that one in that is wild.

Speaker 1 (01:46:06):
I'm a Nas fan, but that is wild if you think you
are not a Nas fan.

Speaker 3 (01:46:11):
You got your Nas fan carver vote.
I don't know not on no planet.
I'm a smoke you.
I am versus volume 3, then I'ma Carla Blow, smoke him.
Jadakiss versus DZ.

Speaker 1 (01:46:26):
See, you think you sound like a fan and you don't
understand.
You sound like a stan who doesnot know how to punish.

Speaker 3 (01:46:32):
I am is like that.

Speaker 1 (01:46:34):
I am is like that.
I am is not like that.
I am is like that I have neverbeen like that Play that we Will
Survive bullshit over I Am ismore comparable to Volume 2 than
it is to Volume 3.

Speaker 3 (01:46:44):
It'll smoke, volume 3 .
Volume 2 is a better matchupfor I Am.

Speaker 1 (01:46:48):
I will beat you.
I won't smoke you because Irespect I Am, but I'll beat you
with Volume 3 pretty handily.

Speaker 3 (01:46:52):
Let's set it up.

Speaker 1 (01:46:54):
I Am ain't like that you can hate me now, but I won't
stop now.
Uh-uh, that shit is not aboutto play.

Speaker 3 (01:47:00):
Let's set it up.

Speaker 1 (01:47:02):
Yeah, we can set that up.
I don't believe you got medoing this.
Yeah, I'll take volume threeover.
I Am.

Speaker 2 (01:47:07):
That's crazy.
That's crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:47:09):
You don't have enough records.
You want to play Dr Knockbootup in this bitch Dr.

Speaker 3 (01:47:13):
Knockboot better than Pop for Rock.

Speaker 2 (01:47:19):
It's better than, but it's not better than Big
Pimpin', but it's not betterthan Big Pimpin'.

Speaker 1 (01:47:25):
But, it's not better than Big Pimpin'.

Speaker 2 (01:47:27):
It's not better than Big Pimpin'.

Speaker 3 (01:47:30):
Big Pimpin' is the album saving grace.
Big Pimpin' is the album savinggrace because, with the low
being as low as it is, bigPimpin' is the album saving
grace.

Speaker 1 (01:47:39):
When you just talked about, do it Again is one of
your favorite.

Speaker 3 (01:47:43):
It moved units behind Big Pimpin' because Do it Again
wasn't a major single.
Do it Again wasn't a hit single.
It wasn't.
It was one of my favorite Jay-Zverses, but it wasn't a hit
like that.
Big Pimpin' is what moved unitson this album.

Speaker 1 (01:47:59):
What's the first week sales?

Speaker 3 (01:48:00):
if that's the case, If you want to do that game, I
am sold more first week thanvolume three.

Speaker 1 (01:48:06):
You said it wasn't a hit like that.
What did volume three do thefirst week since?
Do it again?
Wasn't a hit like that.

Speaker 3 (01:48:12):
It did numbers, but I am did more.

Speaker 1 (01:48:14):
Uh-uh, uh-uh, I ain't asking in relationship to I am.
You said do it again.
Wasn't a hit like that?
It's not.

Speaker 3 (01:48:20):
It's a difference between a hit and a hit.
Big Pippen is a number one typehit.
I don't know if it did gonumber one, but it's number one
type hit.
Do it again is not like that.

Speaker 1 (01:48:30):
Didn't Jay move about 400,000 units the first week?

Speaker 3 (01:48:33):
Something like that.

Speaker 1 (01:48:35):
Okay, then do it again as a hit.
Okay, I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:48:39):
I am just had Nas' life and that's not a big hit
either, and it did more numbersthan Nas' Life is not a hit.

Speaker 1 (01:48:48):
You and me look at hits differently.
I think Nas' Life is a hit.

Speaker 3 (01:48:52):
That's one of his best songs, but it's not a hit.

Speaker 1 (01:48:55):
No, it's a pretty big hit.

Speaker 3 (01:48:57):
It was getting played on BBC.
Maybe we're talking about thedifference between hit and smash
.
Like Big Pippin is a smash.

Speaker 1 (01:49:02):
There we go.
Big Pippen is a smash.

Speaker 2 (01:49:07):
Yeah, it's outside the region.

Speaker 1 (01:49:08):
Right, that's what I'm saying For our culture.
No, nas is like is it a hit?
Do it again.
Is it a hit?
It's like no, that sounds likea hit to me.

Speaker 3 (01:49:15):
But I'm saying they came out the same year and Nas
moved more units first week.

Speaker 2 (01:49:20):
Do it again.
More units first week.
Do it again.
Do it again.
It's a carry.
Volume 2 carried over intoVolume 3.
That's why the numbers look theway it look, because Jay had
the formula.
He had songs from Volume 2 thatwere still playing as Volume 3
was rolling out.
The carryover from Volume 2 toVolume 3 was a very short one.
That's a lot of carryover.

(01:49:41):
Volume 2 was massive, it wasmassive.
Lot of carry over.
Volume two was massive, it wasmassive.
So the carry over into volumethree made so much sense.
Do it again.
It was a great Lucy to startthe rollout for volume three.
It wasn't like a universalsmash like that.
It was a dope record.
We love that record.
It was a dope record.
It wasn't universal smash.

Speaker 3 (01:50:02):
But you speak on formula, the formula that he
used to Volume 2, he carriedover on Volume 3.
He used the sample for theBroadway show.
The soundtracks records carryVolume 2 a lot the Rush Hour
soundtrack joint with Can I Geta?
And he had the joint withJermaine Dupri.
You know what I'm saying.
The Money in a Thing.

(01:50:23):
Those helped move units.
Now you fast forward to Volume3, he got the Blue Street joint,
diamond's Girl Best Friend,that was on there.
He also got the Jigga my Niggajoint that was on there which
came out on the Rough Riderscompilation in the summer, you
know of that same year.
So he put that on the albumthat came out six months later.

(01:50:44):
But that joint was ringing offheavy everywhere.
You know what I'm saying.
So he used the formula to likeI'm going to put these and
there's nothing wrong with it,but they were already tried and
true bangers and hits.
You know what I'm saying tohelp push that out.

Speaker 1 (01:50:57):
Hold on.
I'm going to argue for Jay andsay that he put those records at
the end of the outro to thealbum as a bonus track.
You didn't know that you weregetting those records.
He did a fair three mil on thatalbum and it was a fair three
mil Like, how about this?
I don't think the five mil.
I look at the three mil onVolume 3 as a more fair three

(01:51:19):
mil than the five mil on Volume2, because that is something oh
bro.
You don't think a lot of that.
Three mils off the back of bigis big pimping.
Well, can I finish, please?
My thought, yeah, okay, yeah,okay well.
So here's the thing he had alot of guest appearances on
volume two that helped propelthose cells he had a lot of
soundtrack stuff to help propelthose cells.

(01:51:40):
volume three does not have thattype of help.
Think about it when your leadsingle has Beanie Siegel on it,
you're actually trying to helpout an artist.
You're not looking for the help, you have officially become the
help.
There is something about thesales on Volume 3 that is more
organic to me, because he didn'tget to Big Pimpin' until single

(01:52:00):
number 3.
People forget.
He tried to release Dope man asa single and it just didn't
take flight.

Speaker 3 (01:52:08):
Yeah, I don't really remember that.

Speaker 1 (01:52:09):
Yeah, he tried to drop Dope man I remember
anything being a single, thefirst copy that came out had
Dope man down next to BigPimpin' and do it again on the
original sticker.
So he was trying to push dopeman.
That's why it's track four.

Speaker 3 (01:52:25):
That's usually your single track but it wasn't a
video for dope man and it wasn'treally.
It might have been a b-side onthe single, but when we was
copying maxi singles it wasn'tthe shit out for dope man.
He was trying to push it.

Speaker 1 (01:52:36):
It was on the.
I remember getting a sticker.
The only reason I remember isbecause I remember getting a
copy of the album, like, likeliterally, my manager at the
record store giving me a copy,and all I'm saying is that he,
more organically, sold thatalbum and I will give him that.
And this was Jay.

Speaker 3 (01:52:52):
But damn, what did the stickers say though?
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:52:54):
We're talking about joints that actually came out,
because they sometimes putB-sides on the stickers, though
I mean Dope Bank came out it wason the fat tape for the source,
so it was getting some sort ofrun that people was checking for
, because I remember being atall it being on fat tape too.
But what I am saying is is thathe organically pushed this
album on some rap shit becausehe had become the draw.
And so what happens with himbecoming the draw, instead of

(01:53:16):
doing little guest appearancesoh no, these guest appearances
are different.
It's like he's like he is notdoing the high remix for
juvenile.
He had juvenile doing a hook.
It's like, no, I'm not doing averse for mariah carey, mariah
carey singing this fucking hookfor me.
Now you know what I'm sayinglike like the shit had changed a
little bit.
He had went from trying to bethe draw to actually being the

(01:53:36):
draw, and there are some ups anddowns that come with it, but
it's, for the most part, a solidproject well, for for your
point being organic and selling.

Speaker 3 (01:53:45):
You know, this is the point where jay said I'm gonna
touch all regions, like he wasusing the big formula.
You know I'm saying he hetapped in with dre for watch me.
You know I'm saying, like youalluded to, he had juvenile, he
had the r&b crowd with mariah.
You know what I'm saying.
He was touching every base thathe could touch and that
happened more so on volume 3than even his bigger record,

(01:54:07):
volume 2.
You know what I'm saying.
He branched out even more onvolume 3 and then the UGK on Big
Pimpin.
I still think a lot of thoserecords are on the back of Big
Pimpin because that was huge inthe South this is what I mean
about.

Speaker 1 (01:54:21):
there was something organic about what he was doing
that was different.
Almost every chick car that Igot into in Greensboro was
playing that Mariah Carey record, though I hated that fucking.

Speaker 3 (01:54:32):
No, it wasn't good.
The song wasn't good.

Speaker 1 (01:54:34):
Yeah, but every fucking chick in Greensboro when
I hopped in her fucking whipthey were playing that song
Because Mariah was hot and theyall loved Mariah and that's all
theyiah, that's all they needed.
That's all they needed.
They just needed Mariah and Jayon a record and they was riding
to it.
It's the things that you do.

Speaker 2 (01:54:56):
I was in Japan.
We weren't playing in Japan.
You was probably drinking sakeand polishing your shinobi blade
that was the first time Istarted drinking Belvedere,
because we started doing theDame Dash dance like this with
the Belvedere while you wasriding the taxi, not the.
Dame Dash, it's time to go whenyou was hopping in the backseat

(01:55:20):
of Shorty's car listening toMariah Carey first of all.

Speaker 1 (01:55:24):
first of all, passenger seat Passager seat.

Speaker 2 (01:55:30):
Look, look, look, look the work going in the
backseat, the work going in thebackseat.

Speaker 1 (01:55:35):
I go in the front seat.

Speaker 2 (01:55:37):
You was in the front seat of a Nissan Altima First of
all I have.

Speaker 1 (01:55:42):
You know that Geo Prism, that Geo Prism took me
everywhere I needed to go.
Oh man, everywhere shout out toall my chicks shout out to my
greensboro chicks in thegeoprism uh nissan ultima uh
maxima centra let me.

Speaker 3 (01:55:59):
let me ask you this cool, because I said I had it in
my bottom 5j records.
It's better than the recordsthat I have with it, like it is
better than Kingdom Come, it isbetter than Blueprint 2 or
whatever.
But I'm just saying like I dorank 444 higher than this.
But if I'm taking Jay-Z'sbottom five, it's the best out
of the bottom five.
But would you put it overDynasty, because I personally

(01:56:21):
love Dynasty.
I think Dynasty is a greatrecord.

Speaker 1 (01:56:25):
Yes, it's better than the Dynasty.
See, I don't think that, yes,it is, because here's the
reality of the matter.
Gentlemen, the best fiverecords on Volume 3 are better
than the best five records onthe Dynasty.

Speaker 3 (01:56:40):
They are.

Speaker 1 (01:56:41):
Well, I mean, you still got 11 more records to
talk about, though them recordsain't like that on the Dynasty
fellas.

Speaker 3 (01:56:44):
We got 11 more records to talk about.
Them records ain't like that onthe Dynasty fellas.

Speaker 1 (01:56:47):
We're talking ratios.
There's only five.
Them records on the Dynasty arenot like that.

Speaker 3 (01:56:50):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (01:56:50):
I personally love the Dynasty, but I would put them
right next to each other, but Igive the advantage to Volume 3.
Like, how about this?
There's not a mic performanceoutside of 1-900-HUSTLE?
Like, do it again on theDynasty.

Speaker 3 (01:57:05):
Outline Shit the intro.

Speaker 1 (01:57:06):
What are you doing, Coop?
No, do it again.
Do it again is two people.
It's JM being stunned.
You just talking about oneverse.

Speaker 3 (01:57:16):
That one of the verses is one of the greatest
verses.

Speaker 1 (01:57:21):
So I'm going to tell you the truth I don't love that
record, like everybody else.

Speaker 3 (01:57:26):
It's time to go.

Speaker 1 (01:57:27):
It's time to go.
I don't love the Dynasty.

Speaker 3 (01:57:29):
I can't put volume 3 in my bottom 5, but he don't
like the Dynasty intro.
It is okay.
No, we are not doing that inhip hop talk.

Speaker 1 (01:57:39):
I said I don't love it the way y'all love it.
I didn't say I don't love it.
I said I don't love it the wayy'all love it.

Speaker 3 (01:57:44):
So you don't think it's one of the greatest intros
of all time?

Speaker 1 (01:57:47):
I don't, I never did, I never will.

Speaker 3 (01:57:50):
I don't know what's happening.
I don't know, what's happening?

Speaker 1 (01:57:53):
What's happening is.
I just told you how I felt Idon't know.
I don't feel it when I hear itlike that, when people be
arguing the Dynasty intro, theStillmatic intro.
I'd be like we having thisconversation.
But I can see objectively.

Speaker 3 (01:58:12):
That's a conversation .
I might pick Stillmatic, butit's a conversation.
B is in the conversation, butit's still a conversation.

Speaker 1 (01:58:18):
How about this?
For me, it's not a conversation.

Speaker 3 (01:58:25):
That's what I think for either of those.

Speaker 1 (01:58:26):
You put b over over dynasties as well to be intro
that's more comparable to meokay but I still enjoy the b
intro more too.
But but but how about this?
Objectively, I would put putthe j intro ahead of it, but I
enjoy the b intro more.
I would would pick the B intro,but objectively the J intro is
better.

Speaker 3 (01:58:47):
Will you put the Hova song intro over the Dynasty
intro?

Speaker 1 (01:58:51):
I love the Hova song intro.

Speaker 3 (01:58:53):
So you say it's better.

Speaker 1 (01:58:55):
I don't know if it's better, but I enjoy listening to
it more.

Speaker 3 (01:58:58):
It's good.
All the interludes throughout.
They're all good.
Yeah, I think the Dynastyludesthroughout.
They're all good, but yeah, Ithink the Dynasty is its best.
It's its greatest intro.

Speaker 1 (01:59:08):
People say that all the time.
I'm just not one of thosepeople that prescribe to that,
and every time I tell peoplethat they're like you're fucking
crazy.
I'm like well, I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:59:16):
I agree with those people Before I said that Not
finding out anything new.

Speaker 2 (01:59:27):
I still think volume three gets the love because of
the carryover volume two.
Volume two was so massive andyou got some strong singles.
You got do it again, which is ab-side single, and you got big
pimping, which was the massivesingle.
That's the one that you need.
Jay was able to corner themarket with all of that.
He was able to corner themarket see here's.

Speaker 1 (01:59:48):
Here's where I think puff changed things.
I really didn't understand whata b-side single was until puff
started, until they played thewhat at the end of the one more
chance remix, and then Irealized the what was a record
that wasn't supposed to be asingle.
Like the younger version of me,like in my mind, I was like, oh

(02:00:12):
, that's.
When I realized records likethe what are the street bangers
you remember when they'replaying the what, when the
windows going up and up and theyplay the what, that's when I
realized I was like, oh, that'sthe b side, this is the a side.
Like I knew what it was becauseyou'd heard a side and b side
before, but I didn't understandit until that moment and so

(02:00:36):
understand that it's like well,jay was the first dude that I
that I think we really saw afterthat to actively try to make
the a side, b side thing work.
He really did try to take thatformula because I'm gonna be
honest with you, like death rowwas just like we gonna make

(02:00:58):
gangsta shit and everybody gonnabuy it.
These niggas gonna buy it,these white people gonna buy it,
we gonna make this gangstadeath row.
Formula wasn't like like.
It wasn't like that, when you,when you look at it, they wasn't
just making records to fit likean a-side or a b-side.
They were just making therecords they want to make like
think about all eyes on me.
Pock was able to releasecalifornia love.

(02:01:20):
How do you want it?
Um, I ain't mad at you likethese.
These aren't necessarily yourtraditional quote-unquote a
sides, but they're all.
Yeah, you know, like they'renot traditional a sides yes,
it's hard.

Speaker 3 (02:01:38):
It's hard to pinpoint where that originated from, to
like really market the b-side.
Because the b-side was a jointthat you know you got before the
album and you was like yo, thisjoint hard, hard too, but it
wasn't marketed like that butyou talked to.
The videos was the part where alot of artists sometimes would
try to get both off.
Like you know, a lot of peoplewill reference the message at

(02:01:59):
the beginning of if I ruled theworld.
You know, when I snap hisfingers then they go back.
You know what I mean if I ruledthe world.
So the message is the b-sidelike.
But I think videos is whatreally ushered in um market in
the b-side as well, because itwould be like a little snippet
at the beginning, the middle andthen it cut back or the end of
the record where you hear like alittle snippet of the b-side

(02:02:20):
but it's hard to pinpoint whoreally started that I mean you
can even say Ice Cube, becauseIce Cube had the album Bootlegs
and B-sides and Check.

Speaker 2 (02:02:28):
Yourself was one of the leading videos and that
wasn't really supposed to be ona full-length album, but he
named the album Bootlegs andB-sides, which I always felt was
one of his top albums, thewhole mission statement, top
albums, the whole missionstatement.

Speaker 1 (02:02:42):
you need to check yourself before you wreck
yourself.

Speaker 2 (02:02:47):
It was crazy.
It was crazy.
Good conversation, phil, Ithink again.
Volume 3, dope album itactually came out on December
28th in 1999.
Okay, it was in the 28thquantifiable fact, 28th of 1999.

Speaker 1 (02:03:07):
Okay when you say that that makes me want to go
check yeah you can.
I don't have to check.

Speaker 3 (02:03:12):
It was one of the very last days of the year.
I remember that.

Speaker 2 (02:03:15):
It's here, you can check Some people use Google,
some people use Wikipedia.
I use here.
I'm not going to stop you fromdoing that.

Speaker 3 (02:03:25):
That's when we know it's time to go.

Speaker 1 (02:03:27):
And I would just like to say and people call, me
Aaron, keep going, keep going.

Speaker 2 (02:03:37):
We got a couple of super chats and I got like two
questions for you guys before weget out of here.

Speaker 1 (02:03:42):
A few super chats.
Mad Max Snoopy track alonestops it from being bottom five,
I would agree.
Snoopy tracks my shit.
Volume 3 with Smoke I Am andNostradamus combined, Not
combined, but it's better thanboth.
Combined is wild.
Mad Max LL originated A-side,B-side Respect, Hollis Queens
Okay.

Speaker 2 (02:04:04):
Okay, Shout out side B side.

Speaker 1 (02:04:05):
Respect Hollis Queens .
Okay, okay, no, actually, thatactually sounds about right.
That might be the most rightthing Mad Max has ever said.
Mad Max never forget that in2024,.
I said that she was right onetime and this is the first time.
You've been right, nigga, andyou may never be right again.
Okay, next super chat Hollis.
I got Hollis right, nigga, Iknow what you're talking about,
ain't?
No, hollis Queens.
Hollis, I was born at night,not last night.

(02:04:28):
I know where LL from HollisQueens.
This is cool, nigga, hollis.

Speaker 2 (02:04:32):
Do you know who?

Speaker 1 (02:04:33):
I am.

Speaker 2 (02:04:34):
Shout out to Hollis man.
Shout out to Hollis.

Speaker 1 (02:04:39):
You know who I am?
Don't you ever super chat me?
Try to correct me about someorigins.

Speaker 3 (02:04:48):
He means the hardcore .
I will port his leathery.
I will port his leathery.
Yeah, all right, you shouldn'thave nothing else bad to say
about Mad Max.
When he disclosed, he used toget beat to slipping, I feel bad
for him.
Man, I do too.
Man, I really do.

Speaker 2 (02:05:01):
Getting switched to your.

Speaker 3 (02:05:02):
Like you got a tick with that song.
Come on like a nervous switch.

Speaker 2 (02:05:06):
Imagine your parents telling you yo, I need you to go
get that switch as I playSlippin', and you're going to
get the switch.
You get Slippin' coming on.
You're about to get a beat inthe Slippin'.
How does that work?

Speaker 3 (02:05:16):
I need to know which version Did you get me to the
unedited version?
Hold on, hold on, Nah.

Speaker 1 (02:05:21):
I've heard the unedited version on two tapes.
I've been dealing with Mad Maxlonger than y'all have.
It's a 90% chance he deservedto have that ass whooped.
Okay, well, I believe it.

Speaker 2 (02:05:34):
I believe it, but man to slip it.
Oh yeah, I got two questionsfor you guys before we get out
of here.

Speaker 1 (02:05:45):
Flippin' is traumatizing, but I cannot
control his parents' nefariousbehavior.
That's not what we do at HipHop Talks.
That is what I do, Not afucking counseling service.

Speaker 3 (02:05:51):
Nigga Call D-Fax, nigga the part where you pointed
out the trauma with my mama.

Speaker 2 (02:05:56):
I can't fathom.
I was a grown man when Flippin'came out, so I can't fathom
getting a beat in a Slippin'.

Speaker 3 (02:06:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:06:04):
Please ask your questions.

Speaker 3 (02:06:06):
Yeah, I was 17 when that album dropped.

Speaker 1 (02:06:08):
Please ask your questions so we can go.
Yeah, who is you guys' MVP?

Speaker 2 (02:06:12):
of 2024?
.

Speaker 1 (02:06:15):
Who is your?

Speaker 2 (02:06:15):
MVP this year.

Speaker 3 (02:06:17):
No, my MVP, that's the easiest question of the
night, can't?

Speaker 1 (02:06:20):
do no more Future.

Speaker 3 (02:06:25):
Future is not a bad pick.
It's lap boxing.

Speaker 1 (02:06:29):
Future made the best he was three years old Damn.
Future made the most viable.
What three years old Future?
He was born in 1998.
Okay, first of all, never saythat again.
Future made the most viableproduct this year.
Future made the most viableproduct this year.
Future made the most viableproducts this year.
He did.

Speaker 3 (02:06:47):
In quantity but not quality, because I don't think
any of his three projects wasbetter than GNX.

Speaker 1 (02:06:54):
Maybe not, but those three projects that he did is
more work than the other guysdone in the last 10 years.

Speaker 3 (02:07:00):
But on his own album, who had the biggest moment on
his best effort.

Speaker 1 (02:07:08):
See, that's the thing about that, is that that verse
isn't even good.
What are you saying?

Speaker 3 (02:07:18):
It don't have to be a great verse, it's the biggest
moment.
On his own album he stole theshow, which?
That's the album that we justput in our top ten.

Speaker 1 (02:07:26):
So that's one of those things that's about a war
of attrition.
Is that really about?
That's what I mean?
Is the bar in the moment reallylike that?
Because the reality of thematter is, is that song on that
album that's not even one of thefive best songs on that album,
and if that guy actually doesguest appearances more often,
you're not sitting up there likeoh, oh, my god, it's the guy.

(02:07:47):
He doesn't do guest appearanceslike that.
The guest appearance isn't thatstrong, and I said that I'm
gonna be consistent to the end,because I said that at the
beginning when I heard it.
It's like, yeah, it's like it'scool, it's like the verse ain't
like that, though, but both butno pun intended, but both
things can be true.

Speaker 3 (02:08:03):
It'd still be the biggest moment of the album and
the best moment of the album,but not the best verse on there
per se.

Speaker 1 (02:08:09):
Not the best moment on the album, because the best
moment would require it,musically, to be better than
what it is.

Speaker 3 (02:08:15):
No no.

Speaker 1 (02:08:16):
It's the biggest moment on the album.
Yes, there's a difference.

Speaker 3 (02:08:18):
Verbal Intercourse isn't the best moment on Cuban
link and people think it's thegreatest verse, feature verse of
all time, but it's not a bestmoment on Cuban link.

Speaker 1 (02:08:27):
Actually, I do think that it might be the best moment
on Cuban link.
What's the better moment?

Speaker 3 (02:08:32):
Criminology.
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (02:08:35):
I don't agree with that at all.
Yeah, a lot of phones.

Speaker 3 (02:08:38):
I put over verbal intercourse, but not me.

Speaker 1 (02:08:41):
Crimincourse.
I don't have criminology aheadof verbal intercourse.

Speaker 2 (02:08:44):
I have ice cream ahead of it, just because of
what it did, I mean.

Speaker 3 (02:08:49):
Glaciers of ice.
You know what I'm saying.
Incarcerated scar faces, I mean.
How about this.
This is what I mean, so hold on, so, hold on.

Speaker 1 (02:08:59):
So if verbal intercourse is the biggest
moment on the purple tape, it'svalidated by what you hear,
right?

Speaker 3 (02:09:12):
But a lot of people would disagree with what you're
saying though.

Speaker 1 (02:09:14):
Okay, ag, at some point you got to.
Let me finish some of thesestatements, though.
What's going on is that it'snot validated by your ears, it's
just validated because you'renot used to hearing that guy
talk like that.
That's what I'm saying.
It's almost like a magic trick.
It's like it's not real.

Speaker 3 (02:09:36):
I mean it's kind of deep with the hate, but like I'm
not being honest.

Speaker 1 (02:09:41):
How about this?
How about this?
Spit the bars to me right now,since it's such a big moment no,
I don't have to spit the bars.

Speaker 3 (02:09:48):
Name a verse on there .
That's better than Kendrick'sverse.
No, no, no.
Name a future verse.

Speaker 1 (02:09:53):
That's better than Kendrick's verse no, no, no, but
I asked you something.
If the moment is so big, I'mnot talking about best.
You said it was the biggestmoment, so I'm not focused on
the best part.

Speaker 3 (02:10:02):
That's a quantifiable fact.
It is the biggest moment onthere.

Speaker 1 (02:10:05):
No, okay.
So since it's the biggestmoment, go ahead and spit the
bars to me.

Speaker 3 (02:10:10):
I'm not on trial, Coop.
You said that it's versesbetter.

Speaker 1 (02:10:13):
I'm just asking you no, no, no.
I'm asking you what he saidbecause if it's the biggest
moment, that makes it memorable,right?

Speaker 3 (02:10:19):
right, this is like the name five Shout out to Tribe
.
I don't have to spit the verseyou tell me what verse is better
?

Speaker 1 (02:10:26):
Is the biggest moment memorable?
No, no, no.
You keep on trying to go tobest.
I'm not talking about best,I'll give you best.

Speaker 3 (02:10:32):
Name a song more memorable.
Name a song on the album morememorable than like that.

Speaker 1 (02:10:36):
Okay, so I'm going to try this again, and this time
you're actually going to let mefinish talking.
I'm asking you.

Speaker 3 (02:10:41):
You're still not answering the question.

Speaker 1 (02:10:43):
Okay, so first of all , you weren't the one asking me
a question.
I was asking you a question, soI'm going to try to.

Speaker 3 (02:10:48):
You was asking me to spit a verse that I don't have
to spit to prove a point.

Speaker 1 (02:10:51):
No, no, no.
So I'm going to try again.
This time you're going toactually like try to let me
finish instead of just trying tokeep on talking.
So I'm not talking about thebest moment, so stop talking
about the best moment.
I asked you because you saidit's the biggest moment on the
album.
Yes, by biggest do you meanmemorable?

(02:11:13):
Yes, I don't think you can evenremember the bars for you to
say that, unless you can proveme otherwise wrong.

Speaker 3 (02:11:21):
Name a song more memorable than like that.

Speaker 1 (02:11:26):
I'm asking you, no, no, I'm asking the person who
made the statement that it wasthe biggest moment on the album
to recite the bars from it.

Speaker 3 (02:11:32):
I'm not doing this song today, and shit man, I'd
rather go to bed.

Speaker 1 (02:11:36):
So, ad, if I could finish my point, my point is is
that I don't even think that thebiggest moment on that album is
memorable enough for somebodylike you, who's an avid hip hop
head, to remember the bars,which means the moment wasn't
that big.

Speaker 3 (02:11:51):
Is it I got?
Freddie Gibbs is my, like,number one album of the year,
and quoting the verse doesn'thave to prove that that's my
number one album of the year.

Speaker 1 (02:12:00):
No, no, no, no, no.
You said that this was thebiggest moment of the album,
right?
Name one better okay, and allI'm telling you in return is is
that the moment's not thatmemorable, because nobody even
really remembers the verse likethat, and you're proving my
point, and that's why I'm notgiving it to him like that
you're like who is?
Nobody.
I'm like no, no, you're sayingname a better future verse.

(02:12:22):
I'm like spit the verse thatyou're talking about.

Speaker 3 (02:12:25):
But if I don't spit the verse that quantifies it as
not a memorable moment, there'sa lot of people that can spit
that verse, but annoying peoplesinging it word for word.

Speaker 1 (02:12:34):
But do you know the verse, though?

Speaker 3 (02:12:35):
That's what I'm asking, if it come on, I can rap
the verse word for word, butI'm not going to sit here and
spit it off to prove a pointthat doesn't prove my point or
negate my point.

Speaker 1 (02:12:43):
So do you know?
The verse, though, that you'resaying is the biggest moment.

Speaker 3 (02:12:45):
I do know the verse, but if you're saying it's
something on the album that'sbetter, then tell me what you
think is better.
I can't think you.
I don't think you can nameanother song on the album that's
better.

Speaker 1 (02:12:56):
Why do you keep saying?

Speaker 3 (02:13:02):
better when I keep saying biggest.

Speaker 1 (02:13:04):
When we started off this conversation.
I started off and said I'm nottalking about okay, name a
bigger song on the album I didclarify myself.
I didn't say best moment on thealbum I said you're talking in
circles, bro.

Speaker 3 (02:13:17):
Name a bigger song then no, I said bigger moment.

Speaker 1 (02:13:20):
You said biggest moment on the album is that
verse.
And I'm saying, if it is thatbig, why are not everybody
talking about that verse rightnow?

Speaker 3 (02:13:28):
Okay, what's the bigger moment then?
Are we quantifying it by song,by song?

Speaker 1 (02:13:35):
No, and what I'm trying to tell you is that that
moment is not that big.
Nobody even remembers thatverse like that.
You do not remember that verselike that.

Speaker 3 (02:13:41):
How is it not that big if it sparked off the whole
battle?
Coop, You're not making anysense.

Speaker 1 (02:13:46):
Jay Cole taking shots on Mike Delete later is what
started this battle.

Speaker 3 (02:13:51):
What prompted the seven-minute drill Coop?

Speaker 1 (02:13:56):
First of all, first-person shooter is actually
what started this battle.

Speaker 3 (02:14:01):
Alright, I'm done.
Peace y'all, I'm out.

Speaker 2 (02:14:05):
Good Yo, y'all are crazy man.
Hey Yo Yo.
You guys are crazy.
Hey, man, it was a big moment,that's all I'm saying.

(02:14:29):
You don't know the verse either, do you I?
I don't know none of theseverses thank you, that's my
whole point.

Speaker 1 (02:14:33):
Ag sitting up here talking this shit and ag don't
even know the fucking verses,and I know ag well enough to
know that ag be knowing theverses when it matters so I
don't even know why he wassitting up here playing and he's
sitting up here caping forKendrick like that.
He don't know the verse becausehe knows the moment ain't like
that either.
He be up here caping forKendrick.
He don't know the verse.
That's my whole point.
He's sitting up here talkingabout this big moment and he's

(02:14:56):
like that's the biggest momenton the album.
That's the biggest moment.
Spit the verse.
Any other time his ass can spita verse, but now, all of a
sudden, he couldn't spit theverse.
It's very, very fascinating howthat happens.
That's because that verse ain'tlike that.

Speaker 2 (02:15:09):
It's the phrase.
It's not a big three it's justbig me, that's the moment that
kicked everything off, thank you.

Speaker 1 (02:15:19):
So when I'm saying that verse ain't like that, that
verse ain't like that, it'sjust something that he said
during the process of that verse.
That verse ain't like that.

Speaker 2 (02:15:26):
Yeah, he said it and it started a battle, the battle
that became the biggest momentof hip-hop in 2024.

Speaker 3 (02:15:37):
That's what it did.
That's what it did.

Speaker 2 (02:15:39):
It kicked off the biggest battle in 2024.

Speaker 1 (02:15:43):
Y'all been caping for Kenny all year.

Speaker 2 (02:15:45):
It's not caping.
It's not caping.
It kicked off the biggestbattle of 2024.

Speaker 1 (02:15:51):
See, this is what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (02:15:58):
So when you were saying that, Drake and Cole have
been taking shots, but it's notuntil Kendrick said something
that this battle is set off,because he's a pulverizing piece
of the puzzle he just is.
He's the pulverizing piece ofthe puzzle.
He just is.
He's the pulverizing piece tothe puzzle.
He's saying it's not the bigthree, it's just big me.
And guess what happened?
That's when everything startedto roll.
Everything started to roll.

Speaker 1 (02:16:18):
But that's because he responded from Drake poking at
him.
Drake had been poking at him.

Speaker 2 (02:16:22):
Absolutely.
But Drake pokes at everybody.
He pokes at everybody.
That's because he respondedfrom Drake poking at him.
Drake had been poking at himAbsolutely.

Speaker 1 (02:16:28):
But Drake pokes at everybody, he pokes at everybody
.

Speaker 2 (02:16:29):
That's a pause when you say that out loud.
It is a pause, but he pokes ateverybody.
He does.
But the person that peoplewanted to see go at it was him
and him.
Everyone kept calling this guythe boogeyman.
They said this guy is theboogeyman and he finally came
out as the boogeyman.

Speaker 1 (02:16:51):
That's all it is.

Speaker 2 (02:16:53):
It's a big moment.
It's why we're here.
Think about our numbers as apod.
Most of the podcast numbersevery podcast not most, but
every podcast saw an influx intheir numbers because of the
Kenny conversation.
The Kenny stimulus package wasa real thing.

Speaker 1 (02:17:11):
Okay so hold on.
So run it in reverse.
Let's say Drake and Kendrickwere to actually do the record
together and Cole were torespond Not the same traction.
No, or Cole and Kendrick do therecord together and Drake

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responds Not the same traction.

Speaker 2 (02:17:35):
No, no, no, because you know why, but you already
know why, kookie, we had thisconversation off air.
We know why.
You know why, but you alreadyknow why, coop, we had this
conversation off air.
We know why.
You know why.
Hendrick is a polarizing figurein all of this.
He's the one that they wantedto get old boy up out of here.

Speaker 1 (02:17:55):
No, Drake's the one they want to get up out of here.
That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (02:17:58):
Drake, he's an old boy.
They wanted to get old boy upout of here.
Hendrick, he's a silver bullet,he's the one that could do that
Straight up and down.
The fact that he even respondedby saying the big three is just
big me.
The fact that he responded, itcreated an entire timeline of

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events to follow.
It created that.
That's a big moment, man, Idon't think no one else could
have done that I don't think noone else could have done that
straight up.
We've seen it.
We've seen people.
Pusha T did the same thing toDrake.
It didn't get that kind oftraction, and for Red it's one

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of the best.
It didn't get that kind oftraction and for Red it's one of
the best.
It didn't get that kind oftraction Straight up.
You both can have a fairargument, you both can be right,
but you're talking aboutsomething that we're talking
about tonight, which is thebiggest moment Straight up.
We're talking about tonight,which is the biggest moment

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Straight up.
I know you don't like Kenny, Iget it.

Speaker 1 (02:19:10):
No, it's just like pick your biggest moment.
What's the biggest moment?
Is the biggest moment thesetting off of the battle?
Is it not like us?
Is it meet the ground?
You get what I'm saying?
That's what I mean.
It does come like a little bitlike oh no, it's like what's the
big moment then?

(02:19:30):
Oh, oh, oh, it's, it's on thefuture record.
It's the big moment.
Oh, it's not like us.
Oh, it's meet the grams.
Oh no, it's gnx.
Or is it everybody caping forthis motherfucking?
Because that's what it soundslike when you put all of that
together, right, when you putall of that together, right,
when you put all of thattogether, do you see how it
sounds?
Now, when you put all of ittogether, it's like oh no, no,
no, that's the biggest moment.
It's like hold on, oh, he hasall of the biggest moments.

(02:19:52):
Don't nobody have no bigmoments.

Speaker 2 (02:19:55):
No, he's in the middle of all of that as well,
Because distal, they retractedthat.
Apologize, you got Drake whokind of waved the white flag.
If you will, and like I'm donewith it.

Speaker 1 (02:20:08):
I will give you this.
You want to know what shouldactually be the biggest moment.
The biggest moment should bethe apology.

Speaker 2 (02:20:15):
The apology came and went.
People kind of like it is whatit is, we're cold.
Some people feel like he stillcan come back from it.
I mean he sold out the gardenso, like, like.

Speaker 1 (02:20:27):
That's actually the most polarizing moment of all of
this, because it was him doingthat that enabled this battle to
take shape in the fashion thatit did.
That's actually the biggestmoment who for all cole?
yeah, cole, cole stepping downand apologizing in front of
everybody and stepping back isactually the biggest moment,
because the battle actually tooka real formation after that

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moment happened.
The battle didn't have a shapeor a form.
It is like when a planet isgetting created out of like a
combustible star.
It's like, well, it don't haveno shape or no fucking form.
So how big is the moment?
It's still shaping and forming.
It wasn't until Cole apologizes, this took shape and took form
because that's when it was like,oh well, now we just have Drake

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and Kendrick lock in.
Before that, it is all over theplace.
That's what I'm saying.
All of it is big moments untilthat moment.
That's the big moment, becausethat's the moment where the
battle took shape.
Moment, because that's themoment where the battle took
shape.
Now it's like, okay, he isremoving himself for the fray.
So this is not a two-on-one,this is not a tag team, this is

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not an east versus west versussouth or whatever.
Drake and Kendrick about thedance that moment actually
happened.

Speaker 2 (02:21:38):
Or the future album.

Speaker 1 (02:21:42):
No, that happened when Cole apologized, because
what we were all really waitingfor was the Cole and Kendrick
thing.
Sean, sean, sean, sean.
Let's keep it real.
We all talked about this.
You and AJ talked about this.
We all said that the realbattle was Cole and Kendrick.
So we can't pull up in Decemberand act like Drake was the

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headline, I'm not disagree andKendrick, so we can't pull up in
December and act like Drake wasthe headline we wanted.
So if the headline that wereally wanted was Kendrick and
Cole Cole stepping out in thebig thing.

Speaker 2 (02:22:19):
In the aftermath.
Yes, I'm talking about.
You guys' argument was thefuture album.
What's the biggest moment onthe future album?
The biggest moment on thefuture album?
No.

Speaker 1 (02:22:28):
I said it was the biggest moment on the album.
What I'm trying to say is thatthat moment ain't that big
because you can't even rememberthe verse.
And we come from a hip-hopclimate and I asked AG that
question because we are allheads when there is a moment, we
remember the moment and werecite the bars.
Now, how are you going to knowthe bars from where y'all at?
But you don't know the barsfrom this Kendrick thing.
It's because the moment ain'tmoving the meter, like you

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really saying that it is, andthat is the media fucking
propagating some of this shit.

Speaker 2 (02:22:54):
That's my whole point .
I don't know the verse but Isay acknowledge what it done to
him.

Speaker 1 (02:23:01):
I don't know the verse either.
Everybody know about that verse.
It's just big need.
But everybody know about that.
Apology, when it happened,where it happened and how it
happened.
Right?

Speaker 2 (02:23:11):
That's the moment it created where we are today.
That's all.

Speaker 1 (02:23:15):
That's all I'm saying .

Speaker 2 (02:23:19):
I'm not reciting a verse just to justify why I feel
like it's the biggest moment ofhip hop.
I'm not reciting a verse justto justify why I feel like it's
the biggest moment of hip hop.
I'm just saying that becausewhat it did to hip hop, that's
funny.

Speaker 1 (02:23:30):
That's used to what we used to have to do, though,
yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:23:34):
This is a different era.
This is a different wave ofthings.
Think about how this battleplayed out.
This battle didn't play out theway old battles played out,
didn't play out like this,because I thought that Drake
actually did a pretty solid jobin the beginning of the battle,
to the point where we thoughtthat we had a conversation about
it.
We were like yo Drake mighthave a chance in this battle,

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but it didn't play out that way.
You got social media involved.
You got the sideline people nowon in a game, on a game field,
everyone has an opinion.
Everyone, you know, is more ismore loud.
Now people are louder.
Now we were coming up inbattles.
It wasn't like that.
It wasn't that that that loudwe had to go to.

(02:24:17):
We had to hear from a mixtape.
We had to hear people call intoa radio station and state why
they felt Takeover was losingthe ether in real time.
All those things were happening.
We don't have that now.
So people get on Twitter andthey start typing Kendrick is
the best, kendrick beat Drake.
And they can't give you areason why they just can't.

(02:24:38):
Because they're picking a sideof who they feel the most,
regardless of what that personsay or not.
They're picking a side on whothey feel the most, regardless
of what that person said or not.
So that means Kenny, who endedup dropping a album to close
this thing out, and you goteverybody around him and he got
the Super Bowl in his backpocket.
Now Everything stirred fromthat verse, that one quote that

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he said Damn everything else hesaid, but he said that one piece
that cut out, like when Jaysaid X Nas, you don't want it
with Hov.
That was the fire starter toget us to this point.

Speaker 1 (02:25:15):
Sean.
I get what you're saying and youand I know this, and this is
where I have you and this is mywhole point.
Oh no, you remember the ass Nas, he don't want it with Hovpart
Sean.
You know every fucking barbefore that and you know, you do
, you know, you do.

(02:25:35):
That's my whole point.
When you were bringing up themoment oh no, the moment is when
Jay said ass Nas, he don't want.
Oh, that was the moment whereeverybody went crazy.
But guess what?
He was like that.
The record was like that.
The moment was like that.
Oh no, you, every, you knowevery word before that.
And the only thing that I wastrying to illustrate is that
this moment ain't like that,because when it's like that,

(02:25:55):
word for word, you know, wordfor word, you know.
No, you're not on my level.
Get your brakes tweaked.
I sold what your whole albumsold in my first week.
I can spit the bars to you fromthat verse in reverse, because
it was like that.
I get it.
That's all I'm saying.
That moment ain't like that.

(02:26:17):
That moment ain't even likethat for this generation.
I'm around these kids.
That moment ain't like that.
They like to beat in thebaseline more than they like to
record.
I'm around it.

Speaker 2 (02:26:31):
Still created a moment for them.

Speaker 1 (02:26:33):
Hey Wes.

Speaker 2 (02:26:35):
Yo, this is here Pop Talks.
Kenny got to be the MVP of thisyear.
A Coop is the hater of the year.
Shout out, Shout out to AG.

Speaker 1 (02:26:48):
You and Mad Max are haters of the year.

Speaker 2 (02:26:51):
You're the hater of the year.
Shout out to AG.

Speaker 1 (02:26:54):
Shout out to the team I ain't shouting out no goddamn
body, mad Max can't stand, youCan't stand none of y'all, mad
Max.
Bottom Bug Horrible New Year.
Great Santa asked me what Iwanted for Christmas.

(02:27:17):
I said ho, ho, ho's.

Speaker 2 (02:27:20):
No, that's a problem right there, definitely,
definitely, just took what wasleft of our ad money.

Speaker 1 (02:27:24):
Yeah, no, that's the problem right there, definitely
definitely just took what wasleft of our ad money yeah,
absolutely, absolutely, yo.

Speaker 2 (02:27:33):
I think that's all we got man.

Speaker 1 (02:27:36):
I have nothing else to give you guys nothing else.

Speaker 2 (02:27:38):
We appreciate y'all LP.
Y'all know what it is.
Double Jack, CLF, Mad Max.
Happy New Year, everybody LPAppreciate y'all LP.
Y'all know what it is.
Double Jack, CLF, Mad Max.
Happy New Year, Everybody LPL-Bugs 2,000 subs before 2025.
2,000 subs.
We circling the block again.
We will put that list out forthe albums of the year based on

(02:28:01):
the bracketing.
That way you guys can kind ofsee how we're parsing through
everything.
So that'll be out there realsoon and we'll see y'all in 2025
, if not sooner.
If something drops before thenwe might pop up again, but yeah
we out?

Speaker 1 (02:28:19):
I don't want to pop out and show niggas, I don't, I
don't.

Speaker 2 (02:28:22):
I do, man.
We got to get them 2,000 subs.
Like, subscribe, like,subscribe, share, like,
subscribe, share.
Join the Discord, join ourFacebook, hit us on Twitter and
we'll be back.
We'll be back.

Speaker 1 (02:28:37):
Yes, I promise in 2025 to show up in the Discord
once a week.

Speaker 2 (02:28:42):
Come on, man, you got to show them more than that,
man.
They're talking about you rightnow in the Discord man.

Speaker 1 (02:28:46):
Don't nobody give a damn.
It's a cool show on love man.

Speaker 2 (02:28:52):
That's what they said .
People said cool show on loveit's here.
I'll be around the city.
Yo man, it don't take much.
You got a phone right?

Speaker 1 (02:29:03):
No, I'm going to pull up.

Speaker 2 (02:29:05):
You got to pull up.

Speaker 1 (02:29:05):
No, no, I'm going to pull up 2025, I'm pulling up
2025.

Speaker 2 (02:29:10):
We got to do better for the people, man.
Let's do it for the people.

Speaker 1 (02:29:12):
Man.

Speaker 2 (02:29:14):
My mere thoughts.
We appreciate you, jack.
We appreciate you Double.
We appreciate you All of y'all.
We appreciate y'all.
Y'all have a happy holidays,hope everybody's still eating
off some good Christmas food andenjoying your presence and
we'll see y'all in 2025, if notsooner.

(02:29:36):
Peace.