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Speaker 1 (00:05):
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Speaker 2 (01:24):
that sounds crazy.
I'm about I feel sorry for you.
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Speaker 1 (01:29):
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Now it's just you and I.

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Man for real, we appreciatey'all in the chat.

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I do believe when people touchand agree, miracles can occur.
If we will all say a prayer forthe homie and touch and agree,
that would really be importantto all of us here at the Hip Hop
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And now we're going to proceedwith the show with actually one

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of my favorite hip hop artiststo talk about coincidentally
enough, ag which is Will Smith.
Where would you like to start?
Would you like to start withhis album or would you like to
start with the drink champs?
Let's start with the album, ok,well, if we're going to start
with the drink champs, let'sstart with the album.

Speaker 2 (02:27):
okay, well if we're gonna start with the album.
I'm gonna let you start.
Hey, man, I actually liked it,you know it's.
You know I didn't go into itwith any expectations.
You know what I mean, becauseI'm not looking for crazy
wordplay or bars or anythinglike that, you know, it is just
really one of those albums thatyou can put on and anybody can
enjoy, like if you ever listenedto a Will Smith album before,

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you can play them in.
You know different settings.
It was just a nice, cool dopeproject.
It's probably like four or fivejoints on there I really like.
My favorite joint is thecreativity of the barbershop
song where he took the videowhere he did the you know
different characters like EddieMurphy and coming to America.
That was really creative and Ireally liked it that he got all

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the chatter and gossip out ofthe way on the first track, like
he intended to do, and I thinkit was a cool project.
You know what I mean.
I mean, like I said, it's a,it's a Will Smith album.
I mean, like I said, it's a,it's a Will Smith album.
So my standards wasn't superhigh on the bars or whatever,
but it was.
It was a nice, enjoyable listenand what I admire is just, it's

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funny how life works, you knowwhat I mean, because this album
seems very much like a sidemission, like Will Smith is
doing these side quests, butthis is actually how we all came
to know and love him, likepeople of our age demographic,
you know what I mean.
He started out as a rapper andthen he's become more famous for
his acting, but now, you know,in 2025, it feels like the rap

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is like, you know, a sidemission.
But you know it was a coollesson.
I mean it's not going to makeour top albums of the year list
or nothing like that, but it wasa cool lesson.

Speaker 1 (04:10):
I'm going to push back a little bit.
I think I rate him higher thanyou do.
Because I rate him higher, Ithink I'm probably a little bit
tougher on this project than youare, because for you you're
like.
Because for you you're like eh,it's Will.
You're like, it's Will.
So what?

(04:31):
That's not how I feel.
Ag Okay, I realized today whenI woke up, before I even
listened to this project at allat this point, I think he's the
most underrated rapper of alltime.

(04:54):
I can't agree with you on that.
How about this?
How about this?
Well, you can't give me likethe az or the black thought
thing anymore, like that's beenlike dead and gone for like a
long time.
Um, I think we live in an era,because of how the indies work,
where we have guys who have beenindependent, like a Tech Nine,
who get their due.
We have an underground MC likePharrell, march and Talib.
They kind of get their due.
Now it's like in terms of whohasn't gotten their due as being

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a credible MC, which is what Ithink defines underrated.
No, I think he would be thatguy, because how many guys think
about this?
How many guys have soldmillions of rap records?
One Grammys for rap records,have made one of the 50 best rap
records of all time, have soldout stadiums worldwide, and

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they're not even considered atop 100 rapper, let alone a top
50 rapper.
Now tell me, that's not thedefinition of underrated, though
Maybe.

Speaker 2 (05:51):
Hammer, we'll be in that same category you just
named.

Speaker 1 (05:55):
I mean and this is no disrespect to Hammer, and I'm
being very serious when I saythis Hammer's not the rapper
that Will Smith is.
He's not as good as the personat actual rapping at this actual
bar works shit at this barseminar.
He's not as good as Will is,and that's what I'm saying.
No, will is actual dope MC, andso that's what I mean when I'm

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saying he's underrated.
Think about it.
He's a multi-platinum rapper.
He's a Grammy award-winningrapper, sells out stadiums and
he's in nobody's top 100.
He even talked about how thedrums to Summertime are bigger
than any movie he's ever done inthe Drink Champs interview.
Think about that, whether youlike it, love it, hate it he

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made that record.
He did make.
Parents, just Don't Understand.

Speaker 2 (06:44):
So you think he underperformed on this album?
I do In what way?

Speaker 1 (06:51):
Well, here's what I would have to tell you, ag.
Actually, he's not even ourdemographic, he's our OG's
demographic.
He's like our older brothersand cousins.
Demographic like, musicallyspeaking, in terms of like the
rap, like we didn't like a lotof people don't understand this

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like, if you're our age, ag, wejust caught the beginning of the
acting career like barely, likewe're old enough to remember
the beginning of the FreshPrince, just like barely.
That's like us at nine, tenyears old old.
Ag.
You know, we really didn'tcatch Will Smith the rapper like
that.
I caught him on some secondhandsmoke via my cousins who were 4

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and 8 years older.
But as far as rapping goes,he's always been pretty high
level and I did think that thiswas a step down.
And part of why it's a stepdown is like I hate to be the
one to break this to people, buthe's always been a hit maker.
Ag.

Speaker 2 (07:52):
Yeah, I don't particularly hear any hits on
this album.

Speaker 1 (07:55):
I think it definitely has a more faith driven.
And you know, I've been rakedthrough the coals and now I've
risen again, and you know.

Speaker 2 (08:05):
But I could have did with all those, would did
without all those skits, thosereverend skits, like you know,
he could have left some of those.
I get it ties the theme of thealbum together but I mean to me
it kind of broke momentum in thealbum a little bit e for effort
, d for execution.

Speaker 1 (08:22):
So see overall.
You know for that part of it.
But what really it lacks isthat I'm going to give him
credit for this.
I feel like the subject matterand the rhetoric, and this is
why I bring up how it's reallynot even for our age demographic
.
And this is what I mean our agedemographic.
I'm not joking when I say this.
We are still in our 40s.

(08:43):
Most of the people that listento him musically are actually
closer to 50 or older than 50now.
In terms of what his coremusical fan base is okay, and so
they might be in a differentplace in life and so this might
be more their cup of tea.
But he also has been a hitmaker for his demographic and
for his generation, for hisduration, has a rap artist for

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the most part, and this doeslack that.
And you are right about theskits.
I feel like the skits, eventhough they try to bring it
together, because they are notpoignant and as well connected
as they should be, do break itapart a little bit.
I do feel like the bar work isjust like solid.
There's nothing really specialgoing on, and I've always loved
it.
And here's what I mean when Isay there's nothing special

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going on, even on a record likeSwitch AG.
You can hear the clarity of hisvoice, the way he can pound
through a bass line and a track.
You can hear his ability tocatch a beat in the flip and to
switch style-wise.

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You get what I'm saying.
You can hear things that I feelmake a good to great MC.
I don't think this albumnecessarily provides any of that
, and I think this is probablythe first project I think that
he's made that doesn't provideany of the qualities that even
make him worthy of being themost underrated MC of all time.

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So I would tell you that it isa step down for him.

Speaker 2 (10:14):
What was your favorite joint on the project?

Speaker 1 (10:19):
I'm with you on the barbershop joint, to be honest
with you.
Yeah, I thought that was realcreative.

Speaker 2 (10:24):
I like the joint he actually has with his son Jayden
singing the hook.
That was pretty solid.
You want to?

Speaker 1 (10:30):
know, when I went back to the joint, the Lucas
joint I enjoyed it much morethan I did the first time that I
heard it, the second time Iheard it I thought I enjoyed it
much more, so that's probablyone that stuck out the most to
me.
I went around where I was like,okay, you want to know what I
was like I'm getting with thatrecord.
I was like I can get with thatand joining the Big Sean was
cool too.
The Big Sean record is just cool, but it's just cool to me.

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It's not something I'm going togo back to Like.
The Joining Lupus record is therecord probably back on here
that I'll probably go back toand kind of try to throw in my

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algorithm to see if it kind oflike doesn't throw me other
joints or the artists like it tofind like records like it.
So you know.
So the Joyner Lucas record thesecond time around stuck out, so
that'd probably be the one thatI would say that in the
Barbershop intro.

Speaker 2 (11:29):
No doubt.
But you set the bar higher forhim because I don't consider him
the most underrated MC of alltime.

Speaker 1 (11:34):
How about this?
We probably have this projectrated as a three, but probably
for totally different reasons.

Speaker 2 (11:39):
For different reasons .
You have it as a three, though,don't you?

Speaker 1 (11:45):
Yeah, I wasn't going in expecting, like you're happy
with the three, I'm looking atthe three like uh.

Speaker 2 (11:51):
I mean it's.
Will you know what I'm saying?
It's enjoyable, you know whatI'm saying.

Speaker 1 (11:54):
Look at what Will doing.
Hold on real quick Before we goto the drink champs.
What does it's Will mean to you, ag?
Tell me what that means exactlyExplain that?

Speaker 2 (12:04):
to me it's Will.
I mean, like I said, he's therap album seems like a side
mission, like barring thesituation with.
You know, chris Rock and allthat stuff.
Will's just winning in life,you know what I'm saying.
Like he's out here, you know,living his best life, doing his
thing or whatever, and he'smaking a record.
It is heavily themed in.
You know, I was was down, butnow I'm back up again.

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But anytime you put on a willsmith record it just sounds like
a fun record.
You know what I'm saying.
I mean, will's just being willman.

Speaker 1 (12:32):
He can't help himself , he's just entertaining, you
know I guess okay, yeah, let'sget to the drink champs
interview what did you think ofthe drink?
Champs interview.
I haven't watched drink champssinterview in a while.
So like Noriega lost like 50pounds, Like they got dreads,
Like well, the little you know,I call those the baby Eskos.

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When I seen him I said did hejust get the baby Eskos?
Yeah, the little plant.

Speaker 2 (13:00):
But yeah, I thought the interview was really good.
I mean, like I said about thealbum, will just seemed like a
good time.
You know, funny witty and himand Nori was, you know, made for
good chemistry on screen, so Ithink it was good.
And there was a lot ofenlightening stuff in the
interview that I didn't know.
You would think we kneweverything about Will at this
point, but it was some thingsthat I didn't know, like how um

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martin pitched bad boys to him,and that was the first time they
met at martin's house.

Speaker 1 (13:31):
Did you know that?
I didn't know that.
But I then I thought to myselfwell, actually, if I'm not
mistaken, bad boys came out in1995, right, I believe so.
So that.
So that means it probably gotpitched to Martin in like 93, 94
.
Right, and it was supposed tobe Eddie with them.
Well, listen, in 1993, 94,martin's a bigger deal than

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Wilson.

Speaker 2 (13:58):
Yeah, yeah, cause a fresh Prince.
See, that's.
They were running neck and neckto me because the fresh
Princeton and Martin are my twofavorite shows of all time.

Speaker 1 (14:08):
But I think Martin still had the stand-up and
Martin also was part of thehouse party.

Speaker 2 (14:13):
There you go.

Speaker 1 (14:16):
Culturally more connected to Martin at the time
because of the house party andDef Comedy.
Jam You're right.
Martin's actually theshowstopper in 93-94, more than
Will.
So actually, when the way hetold the story, I was like that
actually makes sense when he'ssaying it like that.
But it's also one of thosethings about how life works

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where it's like he's like, yeah,martin's sister was like no,
you should choose Will Smith.
It's like what the hell madeher say that.

Speaker 2 (14:46):
You know what I'm saying right, right, but it
worked out and they lifelongfriends after that, so that's
crazy yeah, so I thought, um,some of the more poignant things
.

Speaker 1 (14:54):
I thought it was really dope that will smith has
a street named after him infront of his high school.
I always think that, like youknow, I always like to celebrate
like uh excellence, blackexcellence in particular.
Uh, I do remember hearing thatfresh prince of bel-air is based
on benny medina's life ofmoving from watts to uh to
beverly hills.
I thought it was hilarious how,um uh, he told the story about

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Quincy said Bel Air madeHollywood look like a housing
development.

Speaker 2 (15:29):
It sounds right.
I ain't trying to like you knowwhat I'm saying, do a flex or
nothing, but my great uncle usedto hang with Quincy a lot.
He was the jazz musician andused to live in France and
travel and come over here a lotand he used to tell me stories
uh, me and my cousin's storiesabout hanging with quincy.
Like bill russell willchamberlain all these other
people and how will describequincy is how my great uncle

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always used to describe quincylike when he would talk about
him.

Speaker 1 (15:57):
it's kind of funny well, you know, consistently
bossy, consistently flossy.
You know, I think sometimes youknow what I really liked about
this interview.
I think people forget sometimesbecause you know, and he even
speaks to it.
It's like you know, it's BigWillie, you know what I'm saying
.
He, like you know, everybodyknow what it is including him,

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that he lets you know in thisinterview that he know what time
it is with him too and likewhat time to be on about him,
and I like that.
He was honest about that.
But there was something abouthim that was still very Philly
to me after all this time and Iliked that.
It's like you know, he's stillvery Philly, you know, but he's
and Nori kind of pointed it outtoo but he's old school Philly

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though, Right, Right.

Speaker 2 (16:42):
Right.
That's something that's alwaysgoing to be in you though it's
ingrained in you Correct,correct.

Speaker 1 (16:49):
So it's like I like how he brought up the whole
cliff top point about how likeyou can reach the point of
achieving so many things thatyou know the fall from that is
very much to the fall whensomebody hits rock bottom for
that person that achieve.
Yeah, I like that point.
You know, it was one of thedopest things that I think I

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ever heard Nori say was like hey, before Will Smith started
doing the Fresh Prince, allrappers ever did was just rap.
And when he said that I waslike oh shit, he right.
I was like damn, that waspowerful.
I was like that really shit, heright.
I was like damn, that waspowerful.
I was like that really is agenre and game-changing move.
Think about that.
Before Will Smith, all rappersreally did was rap, right, yeah.

Speaker 2 (17:42):
He was first into the active part.

Speaker 1 (17:47):
He's the first to the party like how about this?
Every rapper that talks about?

Speaker 2 (17:50):
like how they don't rely on rap money, it's like
that's the guy that actuallystarted that he just edged out
Ice Cube and Pop right, becausethey were doing film and he was
doing sitcom.

Speaker 1 (18:05):
Ice Cube, pop sitcom Latifah maybe Kid and Play all
by like yeah because they'remore like around 91-ish and Will
was on by 90, correct?
He literally beat everybody,maybe somewhere between the 3 to
nine month gap.

(18:25):
But you know that, you know youcan be.
You know 100 meter dash, youknow first place, you know as a
fact.

Speaker 2 (18:32):
You know it's crazy.
I'm glad you brought up Noriwhen he said that.
You know, nori do be wild andhe gets so excited to cut people
off but people don't give himenough credit for his interview
skills.
He said something else, though,during the interview that
really gave Will his flowers,because he was talking about how

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, no matter what Will does, hestill finds a way to put hip-hop
in it, because Will himself iship-hop, like how Will had the
beatboxing alien talk in Men inBlack you know what I'm saying
and thought to bring in BizMarkie to do that conversation
scene with him.
So him just sprinkling hip hopin a little bit of everything he

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did to stay true to himself.
You know I appreciated Norriepointing that out.

Speaker 1 (19:24):
Will Smith is way more hip-hop oriented than
people realize.
I like the fact that he admitsthe fact that at his core he
falls into the acting frayeasier, and because he falls
into the acting fray easier iswhy he is a greater actor than
he is an MC.
But because hip-hop is hispassion AG, that's what he said.
You know it's different whenit's your passion, like your

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passions can push you to levelsthat are actually beyond the
means of whatever your talentsays that it is.
And although he might be a moretalented actor, has in the type
of person that can literallywalk into a sitcom with no
training and by the time thesitcom is over six years later,
be one of the most trained andaccomplished actors at his craft

(20:10):
.
Like he's that kind of talentedat that craft.
Like even that type of pull offis hard to do.
So he is that kind of talented.
But he also is that type ofpassionate about something else
and there's something greatabout that too.
Like he's kind of like you knowhe's he's higher.
Like he's not rudy, like as in,like rudy from notre dame, he's

(20:32):
not that because he's better,like a better rapper, than rudy
as a player, but he has kind oflike a rudy mentality about rap,
if that makes sense.
I see what you're saying.
Yeah, yeah, like he approachesit like because and he even
brought it up on the show oh, no, like when he did what he did,
that was selling out being corny, you whack, you ain't shit.
Your career is over, you done.

Speaker 3 (20:54):
You sent.
You ain't nothing.

Speaker 1 (20:57):
Yeah, so he.
So he dealt with a lot too.
Dealt with a lot too.
He didn't have Pac Street, cred.
He didn't have Latifah's.
How about this?
Coming from Philly back thenand coming from Jersey back then
, is coming from two differentworlds in terms of being a lot
of the New York and the EastCoast hip-hop scene too.
So you know, he didn't have alot of even what his

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contemporaries has.
I mean, you know, we all knewCube from NWA on top of that.

Speaker 2 (21:27):
Right.
All rappers talk about now isboycotting the Grammy still in
2025, and he was the first to doit.

Speaker 1 (21:38):
I even like the honesty aboutthe fact that he admitted that
part of why he boycotted wasbecause he wasn't expecting to
win at all when he looked at hiscompetition.
I mean to be honest, if I'm upagainst OPP and Supersonic and
all that stuff, I'm probably notthinking.
Parents just don't understandwho's going to win either.

Speaker 2 (21:54):
Yep, and it was just interesting hearing that how
they all felt, because it wasKuma Odita ended up deciding to
go and perform.
I think he performed, but youknow how everybody else felt
about him, you know, notchoosing to take part in the
boycott.
So it was.
You know, like I said, that wassomething I wasn't aware of.

Speaker 1 (22:18):
And you want to know what he was probably.
I mean, he was probably OG atthe time.
He was probably looking at itlike this this might be my last
chance to You're right.

Speaker 2 (22:28):
Yeah because he had been in the game for a little
bit, you know yeah.

Speaker 1 (22:31):
Like how about this?
People have to understand this.
Like Kubo D's prime is like.
I mean, his real prime is like83, 84, 85.

Speaker 2 (22:40):
Yeah, and rappers had running back years, then you
know.

Speaker 1 (22:43):
Yeah, so the fact that he's even around still when
this is going on was atestament to how big he actually
was.

Speaker 2 (22:50):
truthfully, that's a good point.
What do you think about himwhen he gave Esco all his
flowers?

Speaker 1 (23:01):
I mean, I think it took Kool Moe D a long time to
get to a place of not beingbitter about a lot of things.
I think he feels like he gotpassed over by the masses when
Rakim and KRS and Kane and SlickRick and those guys popped up.
I feel like he felt like hedidn't get appreciated enough
for his contributions, and soyou know him saying some of the

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things that he has said has been, like you know, a nice change
of pace.

Speaker 2 (23:27):
Yeah, but my fault.
What I said was what do youthink about him giving Nas his
flowers?
You know what I'm saying On theshow Will on the Drink Champs,
because he cleared up some ofthe you know ghostwriting
speculation on you know, gettingjiggy with it Miami and he
writing speculation on gettingjiggy with it Miami and he said
that they wrote Cruisin'together and then he talked

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about how Nas makes him want tostudy the art of rap more.

Speaker 1 (23:55):
When he said that all he is speaking to is what all
the rest of us feel as fuckingrappers Good point.
Like when he said it, I waslike how about this AG?
When he said it, I was kind oflike, yeah, nigga me too.
So what, that's what he does.

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Like he does that to everybody.
Like welcome to the world.
Like welcome to the world.

Speaker 2 (24:24):
You know what I'm saying, man, a rapper's rapper,
g-o-d, s-o-n, they'll be noneafter that's what he?

Speaker 1 (24:30):
said I want to study the art of rap more.
It's like, yeah, that's kind ofhis thing there we go, there we
go.
Overall, it was a dope interviewI feel like there could have
been more to the interview.
There was obviouslyrestrictions to what they were
going to talk about and what wasgoing to be edited and what was
going to be kept.
I did feel like overall, it wasa solid interview.
Norrie did bring some thingsout.

(24:52):
It's just one of those thingswhen it's like you don't know if
you're going to get Will Smithcoming back around again.
So I feel like you should takeall your shots, but also, too,
we don't know what theparameters of the shots or that
could be taken.
So that's what I will say.
I will also say here are mylast thoughts.
Look at will smith's face whenhe talks about friday night in
colombia and everybody know whyI keep talking about going to

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see my homie in menagee.
All right, look at will smith.
That's will smith.
Will smith has been around thisworld probably like I'm not
exaggerating 50 times ag.
It's probably been around thisworld.
Probably I'm not exaggerating50 times AG.
It's probably been around 50times at least.
When he talked about being inColumbia on Friday night, he
literally said there's a lot ofplaces in the world that

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Columbia on Friday night.
When he said it, I was like Iknow.
I've been there, I already knowwhat you're talking about.
You're talking about everythingbecause Will Smith, think about
what.
Oh my God, it frightens me tothink about what the Will Smith
experience is like on Fridaynight in Columbia.

Speaker 2 (25:56):
Yeah, that level of clearance it's great.

Speaker 1 (26:02):
They're probably trying to convince you to buy a
piece of the country right right, if you will wire this amount
of money in, we will give youthis part of the land probably,
man probably but I thought itwas a dope interview overall.
So I know we got anotherinterview we actually need to
get to right now.

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Is King Champs already like inback room, chilling in the VIP,
ready to go?

Speaker 2 (26:31):
We keeping it Philly West.

Speaker 3 (26:33):
Philly.

Speaker 2 (26:37):
Oh, shout out to Doug .

Speaker 3 (26:40):
Yo, what's good?
What's going on, fellas?
What's happening, man?
I was just sitting herecracking up about the whole Will
Smith breakdown of theinterview.
I just was watching that, john,the other night, with my
brother too, so I was just likelaughing at what y'all take was
on that, john, man.

Speaker 1 (26:57):
How about this?
How about this?
Shams, you're from Philly.
Like.
What's your take on theinterview?
Like, are you a fan?

Speaker 3 (27:06):
of.

Speaker 1 (27:06):
Will Smith.
What do you feel like WillSmith's contributions to the rap
community is like to Philly.

Speaker 3 (27:10):
Well, first and foremost, I appreciate y'all
brothers having me on number one.
I appreciate y'all and yeah, Idefinitely fuck with Will.
Will, from West Philly, like Iam, you know what I'm saying.
So I'm always going to give himhis flowers and give him his
respect for what he's done forthe city and what he did for the
genre.
I mean, he is one of the firsthe is the first rapper to win a

(27:33):
Grammy.
You know he was able totranslate and make a lot of
moves off of music and still hecomes back and he shows hip hop
love.
So I definitely respect him forthat, because we have so many
people that's in our culturethat are culture vultures, man,
and never really even come backyou know what I mean and even

(27:53):
have discussions about.
You know the different thingsthat they were able to do within
the culture.
So it's dope to see him stillup there and at it.
And, of course, like y'all said,you know what I mean, it was
restrictions.
We know that.
You know Will Smith, come upthere.
It's a whole hell of a lot ofrestrictions up there, john, you
know what I'm saying.

(28:14):
You're glad to have theinterview, and that's what
Norrie was doing.
He was tap dancing around himlike Sammy Davis Jr, that's
what's up?

Speaker 2 (28:27):
that's what's up, and we'd like to say welcome to you
, king champs.
You know I'm saying all right,friend of the show, friend of
the show, um, you know, we'reglad to have you here.
So tell us a little bit aboutyourself.
You told us you're from westphilly.
Like will smith, you've been inthe game you know I'm saying
the underground space for alittle while now.
So tell us a little bit aboutcoming into the game as an

(28:48):
artist in your origins oh man,that's a.

Speaker 3 (28:51):
That's a great question.
I mean, me and my brotherstarted this thing when we were
young bulls man, you know what Imean, real young guys.
And um, you know, we feel thatwe have to keep the culture
going, not only for, you know,just hip-hop in general, but
just philadelphia in general.
We have such a rich history,not only with you know hip hop

(29:11):
music, but you know music ingeneral, so we feel like we have
a duty to kind of go on againand push you know shit forward.
You know what I'm saying, andthe music that we write, the
music that we put together, wefeel like, is a prime example of
that.
You know what I mean we want tomake elite music, not just
elite hip hop, mean we want tomake elite music, not just elite
hip-hop, but we want to makeelite music and, um, the last

(29:34):
few projects we dropped,probably in the last, I'll say,
like year or two, have really,um, started to move us within
the underground and go to youknow eventually where we want to
go, which is to start puttinglike this kind of sound on the
mainstream.
You know what I'm saying and Ithank God that a lot of these
different opportunities arepopping up, so we can, you know,
be allowed to do that andreally show a whole nother genre

(29:56):
of rap.
So, yeah, we've been doing itfor a minute, but now we're
finally, like I said, startingto hit our stride with our
projects.
You know, I dropped Roz andCorleone last year.
The Beginnings Murder Filesdropped a couple of videos as
well, and they've been doingreally well.
You know, for the organic usersyou know what I mean Ain't no
bots and shit involved, it'sactual people commenting and

(30:18):
liking and sharing andsubscribing.
So it's been a dope experience,man.

Speaker 2 (30:23):
Dope.
Now is this all dead wrongrecords?
Is that Gotcha, gotcha?
Yeah, the Rise of Coleon waswas.
You know, um, when you hit mein the dm like that was my first
introduction to you, that was asolid project, um, I appreciate
that um, yeah, it was dope.
And then another one of yourearlier uh works was um, I want

(30:44):
you to explain that to me.
If that's like a compilation,it's called the beginnings, yeah
, soundcloud.
So did you compile like all ofyour old, old work and then put
it together in an album form togive to people who might not
have been tapped in onSoundCloud?
Is that what came about?
You're right on it.
You want it like I want it,baby, it's a billion percent.

Speaker 3 (31:03):
Yeah, it's a billion percent.
That's what it was.
We wanted to get peoplefamiliar because, again, like I
said once, we saw that a lot ofpeople started tapping in with
the work.
We was like, well, shit, we gota bunch of records that a lot
of people didn't hear.
We got how many billion peoplein this world and I feel like a
lot of artists need to startdoing that, especially if you're

(31:23):
coming from the underground orwhatnot.
Not everybody has heard thatmusic from you.
You know what I mean has heardthat music from you.
It's a new experience forsomebody else.
So I feel like it's a good wayto market your music and kind of
push it back out.
You know what I mean to thisalgorithm, analytics, shit.
But it was really, really dopework and we was like yo put that
out there, man, let the peoplekind of tap in and really see

(31:46):
the origins of everything,basically the beginnings of
everything.
How my voice was different, youknow what I mean.

Speaker 1 (31:51):
How the sound was different.

Speaker 2 (31:53):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know what?

Speaker 3 (31:55):
I mean, I aged like fine wine on that, john First of
all.

Speaker 1 (32:01):
We know you from Philly because you keep saying
John.

Speaker 2 (32:04):
Oh yeah, he's a big fan.

Speaker 1 (32:08):
Philly slave.
You were saying, john, with theease that only a Philly cat
could um, you know when, when,when, when I was listening to
your early stuff, I was actuallychilling with my cousin who,
like, he kind of like has thefile in the catalog of like my
whole team stuff and he wastalking about artists and how

(32:29):
you know she had pulled up toget her catalog and I was like
what'd she pulled up for?
He's like to put it onstreaming platforms.
He's like, shit's different now.
He's like you know.
So when you just said that, Irealized he's like, yeah, he's
like nobody's heard this stuff.
He handed me my shit too andthen he gave me some ideas about
what to do with my stuff.
Dude did like the way that themusic like and the way that

(32:51):
music is made, changing likekind of reinvigorating.
You as a more seasoned artisthas kind of been through maybe
the process of being an artistat a different time, where it
moves the needle and what movesthe people and what gathers
attention is differentabsolutely, absolutely.

Speaker 3 (33:07):
I feel like you have to be able to adjust if you want
to win and succeed.
I don't care um, your age, yourgender, your race, whatever.
If you want to succeed, if youwant this thing to rock out,
whatever it is, then you'regoing to have to be able to
adjust.
And streaming is out.
It's no longer you know big asscds and cassettes and shit, so

(33:30):
you can't really move with themlike that.
You have to be able to adjust,you have to be able to
understand playlisting and youknow I'm doing what I'm doing
now Touching the people morewith interviews and engaging
organically so you can getpeople to actually fuck with
what you're doing.
So I feel like it's differentways.
You can go on ahead and getthings rolling, and that's one

(33:52):
of the ways.
If these people haven't heardthe music, rebrand it.
Rebrand it.
I mean we see so many of thetop artists doing it, because
it's so much music that's comingout consistently that music
kind of can get.
You know it can fall by thewayside, so to speak.
I remember you know it couldfall by the wayside, so to speak

(34:13):
.
Um, I remember seeing somebodylike a bruno mars, who was a
mainstream mainstream artist.
One of the records that he didI think it was the finesse
record he had, like cardi b orsomething one year.
That record was like threeyears old off of his album, but
he rebranded it, put a littlespit shine on that you know what
I'm saying and and was able toget the recognition that that
record deserves.
So I'm looking at him.

(34:34):
I'm like, well, shit, whatstops me from doing that?
You know what I'm saying andwhat stops any other artist from
doing it, especially if you hada quality of work that the
people need to hear.
So, yeah, you definitely got to.
You know, jump out here andactually look at the different
ways.
You out here and actually lookat the different ways.
You can't go by radio.
You got to go by playlist, yougot to go by podcasting.

(34:56):
You want to be able to betapped into everything so you
can succeed.
So, yeah, everything that youcan get your shit played on, we
on.
That's just how it is, you knowwhat I mean.
And we're finding differentways to take advantage of the
system that they're trying tobasically suppress us with.
So you know we're moving withinthe system.

Speaker 2 (35:16):
Right, right, I like that marketing.
Now, hopefully we could be avehicle.
It gets the name to more people.
That's dope.
I'm glad you.
I'm glad you brought up yourvoice, because I was I was going
to bring that up in thequestion.
When I was listening to thatproject, I did notice that your

(35:36):
voice was different, but now,hearing you talk like your, your
rapping voice is very unique,right, but your rapping voice
and style now is more closer toyour speaking voice than your
older work.
So I'm tripping, trying tofigure out.
So, on your older work, you was.
You know, I'm figuring out nowthat you changed it in the
beginning and now it seems likeyou're leaning more into your
natural, unique voice with yourstyle.

(35:58):
Is that true?

Speaker 3 (36:00):
One billion percent Y'all's bad brothers.
Man, y'all actually gotquestions.
You know what I mean Likequestion questions.
I appreciate that man?

Speaker 1 (36:11):
Yeah, we got some wrapping ass rap questions I
respect that I respect it.

Speaker 3 (36:18):
That's why I respect this show.
That's why I was like yo, letme get on the show.
I'm like what's up?
What's up To answer thequestion?
I feel like I'm 32 now.

Speaker 2 (36:27):

Speaker 3 (36:29):
So I was like 18, 19, 20, 21, 22.
That's like what you're hearing.
So I'm literally trying tofigure out what I want to be as
an artist.
I think you're hearing a lotmore of my influences then you
know what I'm saying Of, likeI'm a big Nas guy, I'm a big Jay
guy, I'm a big Wu guy.

(36:49):
Like those are the guys for me.
Mob D Prodigy you know what Imean.
Prodigy from 95 probably stopson anybody.
I'm like he was different thenListening to Scarface and UGK,
and I'm heavily influenced bythose guys as well.
So you're hearing a lot of that.
Now you're hearing somebody that, like you said, is more

(37:11):
seasoned, has the understandingof my strengths, has the
understanding of my weaknessesand I'm making those weaknesses
my strengths.
If you're actually listening toyou know my journey, my musical
journey, and I feel now, like Isaid, I'm more comfortable.
You know it's almost like whenyou saw Jordan.
Refined.
I feel like I'm like 92 Jordanin a way where I still got the

(37:32):
athleticism but I still like gotcrazy IQ, like I'm not 87, 88
Jordan.
That's just chomping all overthe place.
No, I understand how to slowthe game down there.
The game slowed to me for aminute.
It's like a top quarterback.
You know I'm not making themsame throws anymore.
You know I'm saying I can makeevery throw now.

(37:53):
So yeah, it's definitely a lotof um maturity that came from
that man and, like I said, justbeing comfortable as an artist,
that's fine in that pocket so Ithink, when you bring up 92
jordan, that's like for me, likethat guy, that's the guy that
could get 50 with hisathleticism.

Speaker 1 (38:09):
Still, we could also get 50 with his iq, like
whatever.
Whatever way you needed to get50, it's like oh no, he could
just go to the hole all nightand get 50, but he could like
break you down and get 52 atthat point.

Speaker 3 (38:20):
Yeah, I'm cutting off the mid-range.
I'm getting some threes there.
I'm getting to the lane.
You know what I mean?
I'm using leverage.
I'm seeing where your body is.
It's a nuance man and and Iwant to kind of bring those
kinds of things back to hip-hop,because it's a nuanced sport
and these motherfuckers ain'tplaying it right.
We gotta show people how toplay with nuance.

(38:42):
Again.
What's the details about?
You know?

Speaker 1 (38:43):
I'm saying okay, so I do have a couple of like, like,
like.
They're two real quickquestions, questions.
And I'm to let AG jump back inDoes your record no Lesson?
Flexin sample the Take it Easyfrom Supercat.

Speaker 3 (38:59):
See, you would have to ask my brother that and you
already know producer's secrets,so you're not going to get that
answer from him.
Number one yeah, just beinghonest.

Speaker 1 (39:09):
Yeah, I'm about to say no, no no, my cousin, who is
like my brother, is like myproducer too.
If I was to ask him somethinglike that, he wouldn't tell me,
and it could be my beat yeah.

Speaker 2 (39:20):
Yeah, okay, never mind, no samples Mitchell.

Speaker 3 (39:23):
Yeah, I wouldn't even be able to tell you One thing.
I will tell you, and you knowwhat.
Y y'all gotta get him on theshow and try to get some answers
out of him.
Y'all need to get him up thereand just see but one thing I
will say about my brother ishe's always blending different
sounds.
You're not, he's not the kindof producer that samples from a

(39:44):
perspective where it's just likeI got one sound, it's a, it's a
collage of sounds.
So, indeed, it could be arecord.
Indeed, it could be a recordlike that.
It could be a hundred otherdifferent records, though, being
totally honest, because he'llplay me some shit, I'll be like
this is real, pete Rock-ish, howyou found this shit.
You're kind of expanding atwo-second joint and making it a

(40:07):
whole record.
He gets busy.
He definitely gets busy.
Like I said, I couldn't evenanswer that, john.
For real, I ain't even going tohold you.
I know the record go.
I know that people need to gocheck it out on them streaming
platforms.
I know that much.

Speaker 1 (40:26):
No, lexington record is hard.

Speaker 2 (40:29):
That's one of my favorites.
That's one of my favorites.

Speaker 3 (40:31):
I appreciate that.
I appreciate that.

Speaker 2 (40:33):
What other questions did you have, Coop?

Speaker 1 (40:36):
The other one is what's the inspiration behind
like that?
Because I don't know.
Okay, so you're 32 years old,so I'm to my.
First of all I want you to talkabout are there any rap
differences, you feel like,between West Philly, south
Philly and North Philly?
Because I know North Phillyoften gets attached with a more

(40:57):
New York style because theproximity says they're closer to
New York, correct?
And so I want to know wheresomebody that's.
And when you said that you were32, the record like that
started making more sense to mebecause I feel like there's like
a break in the philly, likehip-hop sound, where it's always
had more of an east coastaesthetic, specifically like the

(41:18):
bronx and brooklyn, you know,aesthetic, and then now it has
more of an aesthetic that maybehas more of a southern influence
or cadence at times, like Canyou talk about that and speak to
that perspective?

Speaker 3 (41:34):
Yeah for sure.
Again, most of my influencescome from down South.
My people are from down South.
If you listen to me talk longenough, you'll hear it.
I'm from West Philly, born andraised, but all my people from
north carolina, south carolina,alabama, mississippi.

(41:54):
So I'm listening to eight balland mjj, I'm a fan of screwed up
click.
Like I listen to that shit justas much as I'll go listen to it
was written, you know what I'msaying.
So those styles I decided, andwe decided, me and my brother,
to blend it together becauseit's like yo, this is a part of
us.
It kind of goes back to usfinding ourselves right when

(42:16):
it's like yo.
We're artists, we're trying tofigure out what sound works for
us and it's like yo, we canbounce with the rest of them.
I can rap just as well with thecadence of a Pimp C as I can do
a jizzle of a pimp, see, as Icould do a jizzer.
So it's just like being able tohave that balance and being
able to attack recordsdifferently and we're blending a

(42:36):
whole new sound.
That's like the new sound to uswhere it's the east coast bars,
the east coast lyricism, andmay have the southern origins of
like, maybe hooks and bridgesand different flows and cadences
and things like that.
And then we're doing the samething from the production
standpoint as well, where you'llstill hear, like those East

(42:57):
Coast boom bap drums, but thesamples and everything are used
in a way where it's a little bitmore accessible Because, let's
just be honest, until we startto destroy this infrastructure,
now you got to move within thesystem.
So we found a way to blend thesounds, put together our own
sound and, kind of, you know,move within the system until

(43:19):
it's like yo, I can drop what Iwant to drop.
Now you know what I'm saying.
If I decide to drop five, itwas written in a row, so fucking
be it.
But at the same time I can dropa stank on you, fucking be it.
But at the same time I can dropa stank on you, I can drop.
A Mr Scarface too.
Like I can blend those things.
So, yeah, like when you hearlike that, that's what you're
hearing, that's something old,something new, something

(43:40):
borrowed, something blue.
You feel me?
I do feel you.

Speaker 2 (43:44):
I do feel you yeah, we got a few more things before
we let you slide.
Brother, you brought up Jordanand I'm glad you did, because
the cover art for one of yourlatest singles is no Complaints.
Yeah, you got Michael Jordan onit.
You know famous shrug moment.
Thanks For the YouTube coverart.
So let's talk about your twomost recent records.

Speaker 3 (44:06):
You know no Complaints and Sophisticated
Hustlers out there for thepeople if they want to check
them out.
You want to walk us throughthose two records?
Oh, yeah, for sure, for sure.
It just shows my versatility asan artist and our versatility
as artists.
Again, where no complaints ismore of a smooth record, you
know what I mean.
It comes from that kind of um,bad boy, because we're heavily

(44:27):
influenced by them as well.
Like that bass, bass, biggie,you know what I mean.
Like Flo's being able to get onrecords and still talk that
talk, you know what I mean, butstill make it in a way where the
ladies can fuck with it as well.
And just Sophisticated Hustlesis just like a straight up East

(44:50):
Coast hip hop back and forth,back and forth between me and my
brother.
Where's the Bar shit where wenot only can give you those
songs that you can go in thereand play because it's funny?
No Complaints is doing reallygood on Canadian radio right now
.
It's killing overseas beingstreamed real well.
But Sophisticated Hustlers gotlike the motherfuckers is like
yo nigga.
All I really want to listen tois Buckshot, nas and Mob Deep,
all fucking dead.
If you ain't got no fuckingbars, I don't want to hear you,

(45:12):
and I respect that too.
So it's like yo, we're bridgingthe gap.
We selling pizza, we sellingcheese sticks.
We got ice cream in the bag too, nigga, if you need it.
Whatever you need, we got itall.
You feel me.
So it kind of shows thatversatility from those two
records Because, like I said, noComplaints is a record that's a
lot smoother.

(45:32):
Sophisticated Hustlers has moreof like we're just going at it.
You know what I mean for thelove of hip-hop type shit, and
both have had really, reallygood responses.
So again, like you said, it'son streaming platforms.
Razzle Corleone's on there, theLabel Project as well, murder
Files is the one there.
Go check that out, and that'skind of a continuation of the

(45:53):
sound.
So you can kind of see likewhere everybody else from the
label is doing their thing too.

Speaker 2 (45:59):
And you got another collab joint King of Kings,
volume 1.

Speaker 3 (46:03):
Right oh, my lord, that project, that project is a
that is the beginning for real.
That's the beginning yeah.
I appreciate that.
Yeah, nah, again you're hearingyoung kids.
I may have been like 1920 21 onthere.

Speaker 2 (46:22):
That was solid though it was dope.
But yeah, shout out to yourbrother, he was dope too.
Couple things while I got youhere, I'm gonna go ahead and
tell you you know I'm saying whyyou on the show some of my
favorite joints you know,definitely no complaints.
Sophisticated hustlers like wetalked about half a brick murder
arts one of my joints can't getenough arm and hammer supply

(46:45):
and demand, um, live from thedope spot.
I like Interstate 95, and thenCoop mentioned no Reason,
flexin'.
Those are all my favoritejoints from you, man.

Speaker 3 (46:57):
Word.
That's a hell of a list I'llfuck with it.

Speaker 1 (47:04):
There were some joints.
You remember Lord have Mercyfrom Flip Mode, oh yeah yeah,
there were some things that youwere doing like cadence wise and
bar wise and vocally like atthe same time.

Speaker 3 (47:16):
that reminded me of lord have mercy, and I mean that
in a good way, because I alwaysfucked with lord have mercy
like he was a member in flipmode no, I feel like, with your
voice, especially as a rapper, Ilook at it from a perspective
of because I'm a big jazz fan,right, so I look at it from a
perspective of because I'm a bigjazz fan, right.
So I look at it from theperspective of how Miles Davis
and Coltrane and Ahmad Jamalbroke shit down where it's like

(47:39):
I'm using these notes to myadvantage, I'm using my voice to
my advantage.
This is my instrument, so I cango in and out of flows really
quickly, I can use cadencesreally quickly.
It's just like a wide receivergoing in and out of breaks, like
he has to be able to like time,shit at a certain time.
In order for the shit to be,you know what it is.
It's either going to be atouchdown or incompletion, and

(48:01):
with us we're going fortouchdowns.
So I appreciate that.

Speaker 2 (48:04):
Yeah, again, it goes back to that versatility myself
one head student of the game manjust studying the greats.
Study the greats, yeah, nodoubt.
No doubt, since you're astudent of the greats.
Uh, the last two questions Igot for you are fun questions.
First question will be nameyour top five philly rappers as
far as philly influence.

(48:24):
And then the last question ifwe got anybody in the chat
that's going to slide throughphilly you know visiting or
they're there now name yournumber one cheesesteak spot
that's going to slide throughPhilly you know visiting or
they're there now name yournumber one cheesesteak spot that
they need to go to to go getthem a cheesesteak.
So that's the last twoquestions.

Speaker 3 (48:38):
Okay.
So let me answer the first one,I mean the second one, the last
one, the last one, the last oneabout the cheesesteak.
So that's where I'm at with it.
Right, you come to the city tojust get a cheesesteak and chill
and stay out the whack.
You ain't coming for thebullshit to come into the city
because I know a lot of niggaswill throw mats out.

(48:59):
A lot of different people willthrow shit.
Mats is in the middle of thehood.
So if you ain't got your strapon, you don't go over there.
That's just a yeah.
I'm not going to sit there andtell people oh yeah, just stand
on over there and get robbed.
If you ain't rolling, you don'tknow where you're at, you don't
need to be there.
Take your ass to Pat's andGino's.
Go right down there, okay, getyourself a solid cheese stick.

(49:22):
And if you want to go somewherein the daytime, go to Della
Sandro's, go there.
Or Ishka, it's your bibbles,it's a couple spots.
It's a couple spots for thecheese sticks.
And if you talk about top fivePhilly rappers, bane's gonna be
one.
Um Overthought, yeah for me,yeah for me.
And Black Thought is aphenomenal rapper.

(49:45):
It's just.
I grew up during the era where,like, bane's was running the
city.
Like you know what I mean like.
I grew up during that era so Igot to respect what I saw and I
was outside you know what I'msaying Everything that was going
on Beans and them was runningshit.
So I got to go with Beans.
Black Thought would be too.
I got to give Black Thought hisrespect.
He's going to have to be therejust because he's an incredible

(50:06):
lyricists.
He's put out incredible work.
The Funk Freestyle joint shouldbe a national monument for real
.
That nigga was rapping words.
He was just rapping words.
That was just making sense, ifthat makes sense.
He just is that good at writing.
He's an incredible lyricist, soI'm going to put him at two.

(50:27):
Damn, now I'd have to probablygo underground, underground,
underground, for like top five.
Quilly probably would have beenlike three or four for me.
Quilly Mills from like back inthe day, meek Mills from back in
the day too.
They'd probably be like threeand four, cause, again, I'm from

(50:49):
like that era, like when ReedDollars and all them was like
you know what I mean.
What about'd probably be likethree and four, because again,
I'm from like that era, likewhen Reed Dollars and all of
them was like.

Speaker 1 (50:53):
What about Freeway and YoungChris?

Speaker 3 (50:57):
Young Chris was about the.
That was the next person I wascoming to.
Young Chris is Young Chris,definitely.
Ask Jay about him.

Speaker 1 (51:08):
Ask Jay about him.
I gotta ask you this.
No, no, no, no, like this isoff the books right here, okay
yeah all Philly and New Yorkniggas swear by young Chris so
hard, so like.
Break it down for me, like whatit is, because it's like I like
them.
In New York niggas talk aboutyoung Chris.
Y'all talk with this glow, it'slike.

Speaker 2 (51:33):
I think it's the swag man.

Speaker 3 (51:37):
Yeah, I'm waiting for him to pop back.
He popped out, we're waiting onhim.

Speaker 2 (51:45):
Yeah, you go ahead and answer the question, bro.
I think he has some technicaldifficulties.
But yeah, why do they holdyoung Chris so high?
There you go.

Speaker 1 (51:54):
Why do they hold him so high?

Speaker 3 (51:57):
My daughter.
It's all good.
Family first man.
We got to make sure everybody Imean.
The reason why, to be honest,is because and I'm a big Hov guy
, but Hov is known for takingdifferent cadences and taking
different flows it is what it is.
You know what I mean If you'rea guy that studies rap.

(52:19):
It is what it is.

Speaker 1 (52:20):
It's just like you know, I love.

Speaker 3 (52:24):
Listen, I love Kobe, listen, I love Kobe.
But Kobe took all Mike's moves.

Speaker 2 (52:30):
It is what it is.

Speaker 3 (52:31):
I mean we don't have to like discredit somebody just
because somebody did X, y, z Atleast that's how I look at
things.
So young Chris, with the flowswhen he came over Hov was taking
them flows.
It gave Hov an extra three orfour years with the young Chris
flow, the whispering, thedipping and the Listen to Hove

(52:54):
through that whole little phaseof state prop days.
He's rapping like Philly niggas.
He is Because again, whenyou're sitting around Oskino,
okay, because Oskino never getsbrought up for those flows and
cadences either.
Young Chris, those guys fromState Prop that had that rapping

(53:16):
thing.
If you listen to Matter of Fact, here's a prime example of it.
Dirt Off your Shoulder.
When did Hov ever say any ofthose things?
We listen to Hov fromReasonable Doubt.

Speaker 2 (53:32):
He never had that in his bag To me when it was the
most prevalent, when it was likeeye-popping, like yo he's
definitely doing, was the MurderMarcyville record and a lot of
people might not even know thatbecause that's like was the
mixtape circuit.
But when Jay was on the Murder,murder, marcyville record, I
was like, yeah, that's Chris.

Speaker 3 (53:54):
Yeah, like you hear that young Chris in there all
the time.

Speaker 2 (53:58):
And again.

Speaker 3 (53:58):
Let's keep it 100.
Young Chris, bar for bar, can'tfuck with Ove.
Let's not be disrespectful.

Speaker 2 (54:06):

Speaker 3 (54:08):
But I know a lot of people will try to push agendas.
You know how I go right.

Speaker 1 (54:13):
But you are saying is that he did Jacket Style for a
few years.
Oh yeah, for sure that's a factthat extended the shelf life of
his prime, because that didhappen during his prime yeah,
that's a fact.

Speaker 3 (54:26):
Them flows are there.
And if you listen to Dirt Offyour Shoulder 2, you hear Pimp C
.
Go Go, listen to Murder.
Go listen to the first verse ofMurder and then play it back.
Listen to them flows.
You know what I'm saying andthat's just being real.
He was a UGK guy.

Speaker 2 (54:40):

Speaker 3 (54:42):
Yeah, and making that adjustment and being that
versatile keeps you moving, youknow what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (54:52):
Beans talked about that.
Beans talked about how Jay'sreal gift is his ability to
absorb.

Speaker 3 (54:57):
Yeah, that's still a skill set that could be used for
good and bad.
Yeah, it could be used good andbad, but it still is a skill
set.
I can say, even with myself asan artist, I sit back and study
those guys, you know.
Know, if you listen to some ofmy earlier work, I was listening
to illmatic and it was writtendamn near every day, so a lot of

(55:17):
those multi-syllable joints,same thing with, like, cool g
rap.
I was listening to four or fivesets every day.
So, like, when you're hearingdifferent records or things like
that, you can hear those things.
Those are my influences andnothing's wrong's wrong with
that.
These are great artists, theseare legends.
You should learn from thelegends.
I'm just a person where I don'twant it to be obvious.

(55:37):
I want it to be my creativitybeing shown, as opposed to
motherfuckers breaking my workdown like damn, he's not just
like, or that record is just not.
It's not Now if you said, am Iinfluenced by these people?
Absolutely, but it's not like.
It's no father to my style,like A-Sign, unique that's

(55:59):
what's up?

Speaker 2 (55:59):
Well, tell the people where they can find you at man.

Speaker 3 (56:02):
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure, For sure.
You can find me on Instagramand Twitter at Kean Shamps
K-I-N-G-S-H-A-M-P-Z.
That's on Twitter and Instagram.
You can go on in here to checkthe music out as well, man.
We're on all streamingplatforms, all streaming
platforms.
So don't make no bullshit.
Don't beat yourself.
Treat yourself to someexcellent music.

(56:24):
We got Raza Corleone out.
We got Murder Files out, we gotthe Beginnings that's out as
well.
And then, like I said, MurderFiles is the joint project and
we got Workout right now, thesingle game.
We've been killing all fromlast summer and we're doing it
this summer as well.
So go check out SophisticatedHustlers, All of the work, the
catalog.

(56:45):
We put a catalog together forthe people.
When you say, well, damn, I likethe way that bull talk, like
Ken Shams, he talking a lot ofheavy shit.
Let me go check his music out.
You will not be disappointed,man.
You will not be disappointed atall.
Man.
Please check me out.
Man.
Check these brothers out too.
Now you know what I mean.
They're doing a hell of a jobfor the culture.
They don't have to be doingthis shit.

(57:06):
Make sure y'all subscribing andtuning in and commenting too.
Y'all want the whole WestPhilly to come out of me tonight
.

Speaker 1 (57:15):
I'm trying to chill.
Okay, so that was my lastquestion.
What's the difference betweenthe West Philly Cat and North
Philly Cat, south Philly Cat?

Speaker 3 (57:26):
The difference to me is I feel like we have more of a
fashion sense on shit.
I feel like we hustledifferently.
Like North Philly niggas willtrunk you quicker than we will.
Like that's more of they shit.
Our shit was more like hustling, robbing.
You know what I mean too.

(57:47):
But it's like two differenttypes of Grammys, if that makes
sense, you know what I mean too,but it's like two different
types of Grammys, if that makessense.
Like West Philly.
Like West Philly Grammy is morelike a Harlem.
Grammy, if that makes sense,whereas you know what I mean.
Like we like to dress, we liketo go out with the girls, but
like we'll still put you in thetrunk too.
North Philly is like no, youknow, when you get on one of

(58:07):
their blocks.
Or South Philly, that's thetime they on.
Like that's just the time theyon.
To be honest, to keep it 100,being from West, a lot of my old
years that was like hustler,hustlers.
They wouldn't even like drivedown South Philly for real.
They'd say like yo, like I'mgoing to have a good time, I
don't need to have like my nineon me driving through these
neighborhoods.

(58:27):
Like I'm cool, you know whatI'm saying.
So like that's like thedifference, it's just like the
difference.
Levels of ground anywhere inthe city is out of pocket, to be
honest.
But like those are like the,the differences.
You know what I mean how wewalk, maybe, how we talk and
shit no, no, I get it, I'm, Iwas raised in the cater.

Speaker 1 (58:44):
Like we like the polos and logos of the zones
okay, yeah, like we slide, butwe not like considered to be as
grimy as, like the dudes fromthe south side of the west side
necessarily like like the motionis different in terms of how we
set you up.
Like we might, we might send,we might send one of our girls a
dance to come get you you knowwhat I'm saying like that's how

(59:04):
you know what I'm saying?
like that's, that's the way,yeah the dude from the south
side and west side just gonnaslide on you like we're we gonna
send our best girl like to comeget you yeah because I want to
be able to get a betterunderstanding of you and how you
like to move and how we canmove real in and out.

Speaker 3 (59:19):
You know what I mean, Like I wasn't rapping all my
life you know what.
I'm saying Say less.

Speaker 1 (59:26):
Statute of limitation is passed, but still go ahead.

Speaker 3 (59:28):
Yeah, yeah, oh no, I'm good, I'm super good.
I'll never Vlad myself.
Y'all will never catch me doingany of those things.

Speaker 2 (59:38):
I'll never.

Speaker 3 (59:39):
Vlad myself.
That's wild to me, but thedifferences, like you said, that
right there is right on thehead, like how we move with
certain shit, so it can be a lotmore of a clean thing.
If this is what we decided toattack on, that's the angle we
going to be on.
You know what I mean, because anigga can't keep his mind
focused when a pretty womanaround.

(59:59):
We all know that.
So you know it's a whole notherstream of emotion.
Like you said, with NorthPhilly, south Philly, they just
super grimy.
And we've argued back and forthLike I hope you saw.
I told them I'm like bro, likey'all just be on some dirty shit
.
Like it just is what it is.
The niggas can be mad all theywant, but like it just is what

(01:00:20):
it is.
Like y'all be on some dirtyshit.
Y'all be on some shit.

Speaker 2 (01:00:32):
Yo, we appreciate you coming on here, bro, and then
yo we'll still be in touch manFor sure.

Speaker 3 (01:00:40):
I appreciate y'all fellas man.
I appreciate y'all having meagain.
Follow me on Instagram andTwitter at King Shamps.
Go check out all of theprojects and, like I said, make
sure y'all like and subscribe.
Subscribe these brothersbecause they putting in a lot of
work, man, and I appreciatey'all having me on man for real
peace and love man, peace allright it was.

Speaker 1 (01:01:04):
We need to get to some super chats right quick um
let's do it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:07):
Yeah, dub man shout out to double yeah, double spam.

Speaker 1 (01:01:11):
I got it okay cool double barrel with the $2 super
chat.
Sean's fam is our fam, you guys.
Prayers from the prayers fromthe chat love CJ, the kid with
the $5 super chat.
Peace, guys.
Please tell Sean, keep his headup, please.
Bless awesome.

(01:01:32):
Yeah, mad Max Cooper, Iapologize to you.
Keep his head up, please.
That's awesome.
Yeah, mad Max Cooper, Iapologize to you after seeing
the female list.
First, because I was tight onyour whole show when you tried
to put Kim over Kane that Itrolled you and I lied that
Nikki greater than Kim, becauseI don't know if Nikki is my top
20.

Speaker 2 (01:01:50):
Hey, mark down this moment when Mad Max says he's
apologizing to you, Coop.

Speaker 1 (01:01:55):
Thank you.
Look, it happened on April 5th2025.

Speaker 2 (01:02:02):
Not April 1st.

Speaker 1 (01:02:03):
April 5th.

Speaker 2 (01:02:04):
Not.

Speaker 1 (01:02:04):
April 1st, 10.04 pm.
Cj the Kid with another $5Super Chat.
Appreciate you, cj.
In your opinion, what is WillSmith's highest-rated mic album
and how many mics would you giveit?
Probably his first album andI'd probably give it four.
Ag.
I would agree Our man with the$4.99 Super Chat.
Peace, great soup stories,episodes, for I Am AG.

(01:02:28):
I think you are incorrect.
Complete with J jeru wasprimo's first lead single
outside of gangsta, if you'retalking about.
If you're talking about leadsingle, yes.
If you're talking about songoutside of the camp, no yeah,
well, I, I did correct myself.

Speaker 2 (01:02:45):
you know, appreciate the super chat if you go back in
the video and look in theyoutube comments.
I did correct myself becauseafter the show I thought about
it.
I thought about MCs act likethey don't know and I thought
which come clean with?
Which both predate Nas' likes?
So I was like yo, I was wrongon that, but you know what I'm
saying.
I corrected myself in the chatbut I got you all to fact check

(01:03:06):
me.
So I said, if I'm not mistaken,in which I was mistaken, so
appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:12):
MCs act like they don't know and rappers are in
danger and come clean.
Yeah, that, yep, yep, but thoseare the only three, though,
that I can think of off the topof my head.

Speaker 2 (01:03:23):
Correct.
Yeah, they predate 99.

Speaker 1 (01:03:26):
Yeah, 88th Fence with the 999 Super Chat.
The Fresh Prince was doperocking the party at Central.
With the 99, 999 super chat,the fresh Prince was dope
Rocking the party at central,the wine and the plat.
People don't know how hip hopPhilly was in the eighties and
pushing the culture forward,it's true.

Speaker 2 (01:03:41):
I'm a representative here, spence.

Speaker 1 (01:03:43):
Right, philly in the house Night.
Ill city.
Salute King champ Dope For realIll city.
Salute King Champ Dope for realIll City.
Shout out to the Chi-town.
Y'all really need to holler atus.
We were serious about thatwhole play.
We're doing something up in theChi.
Yeah, I need to get with youand Rufus soon.
Is that all for the Super Chats?
Think we're all caught up.
Ag, I got to do business forlike two seconds.

(01:04:04):
Ag, you want to jump in rightquick and cover your start on
the Drake leaks and tell peoplewhat you think while you give me
some tips?

Speaker 2 (01:04:12):
Yeah, let's do it Alright.
So for more new music, a fewDrake songs leaked onto the
internet in the past couple days, one being named Cheerios.
I think it's a dope record.
It was supposed to be on ForAll the Dogs.
To my understanding, for Allthe Dogs wasn't the best album.
I like this song.
I think it's a dope record.

(01:04:32):
It was supposed to be on ForAll the Dogs.
To my understanding, for Allthe Dogs wasn't the best album.
I like this song.
I think this song could havereally helped the album out a
lot if it had been left on there, but for whatever reason it was
taken off.
Another joint that leaked out iscalled Shopping Spree.
That joint was just okay to me.
I wasn't really feeling thatone too much.
But another one that leaked outis Waiting to Exhale with 21

(01:04:56):
Savage.
This was supposed to be on herloss and I like this record a
lot as well, and although herloss was a dope record to start
with, I think Waiting to Exhalewould have fit nicely on there.
But you know, it's interestingto see like, over the past year,
drake's been leaking a lot ofrecords.
I don't know if he's beenleaking them directly or if

(01:05:16):
they've been leaking throughother avenues.
But you know it's, they're notgetting quite the traction that
uh drake stuff usually gets.
But I think you know thislittle two out of the three
joints was really dope.
Uh kop, did you get a chance tohear him?

Speaker 1 (01:05:32):
No, no, no, I listened to the music.
The records are dope.
I just don't know where we arein relationship to saying that a
Drake record is dope right now.
Yeah, and this is what I meanabout in relationship to it, and
this is where the Kendrickeffect really has taken a hold
of even Drake.
Well, if it's not reversing anyof this damage, how good is the

(01:05:54):
record?
Right, and so are the recordsdope.
Yeah, they're dope, I mean, butit's not really changing
anything at this point, and sothere's still not moving the
needle Correct, and so there isstill that kind of lingering
effect.
It's like, okay, is it going todo numbers?
Yeah, it's going to do numbers.
It's Drake, it's going to donumbers.
Okay, like we understand that.

(01:06:16):
Is it moving that needle thatyou're talking about?
Well, no, it's not doing that.
And then those questions aregoing to start to slowly creep
in real, real soon.
Is it over?
Are his days of moving theneedle over?
Did Kendrick kind of put thenail in the coffin?
Ag, you and I have been havingconversations, you know, for a

(01:06:36):
minute now, like even before wewere doing this show, about the
relevancy of his songs, right,and how he really was the cachet
of his name.
I mean, if we are seeing thatas astute hip-hop listeners and
podcasters, then we might bemore astute and poignant than
the average person that listensto hip-hop listeners and
podcasters, and we might be moreastute and poignant than the
average person that listens tohip-hop music.
But so is kendrick.

(01:07:00):
So it's like, oh no, I meankendrick might have seen, like,
how about this?
Like, people may not want toacknowledge some of the things
that I poignantly said aboutKendrick that are accurate.
But you know I'm going to saythat he has pointed out some
things about Drake that you know, the average person outside of

(01:07:23):
us really wasn't pointing to,which means he was paying on the
level that we were, because youknow well, he's a head and he's
a fan on the level that we are,it's not more.

Speaker 2 (01:07:32):
So, yeah, it's a cerebral guy level that we are,
if not more so Kendrick's, acerebral guy.

Speaker 1 (01:07:35):
No, but this is what I mean.
You don't have to be like, okay.
So there's a difference betweenme.
For me, him being cerebral isonly in the application of the
battle.
What I'm saying is inherently,he's a head, so he's watching.
That's what you do when you'rea head.
You can't help but watch and bein tune and want to hear
something and catch somethingand see what the vibe and the
wave is looking like.
It's part of like who we are,like we can't help it.
We were fiends before we becamea team.

(01:07:59):
You know what I'm saying, right?
So Kendrick is also that way aswell, but you know, also
extremely cerebral Also.
You know, competitivelyspeaking in his stratosphere and
also like asserting himself inthis battle, and you know.
You know what I'm starting tothink about.
I'm starting to think aboutpushing T on what dreams are

(01:08:20):
made of when he said need a wayout, like Nas needed an ether.
And then I start realizing howimportant ether is, because this
is like like imagine if thishappens to Nas and Nas doesn't
respond with the ether and he'snot like the record and the hit
making and the record breaking,chart topping artist that Drake
is.
His career probably is overbecause look at what's happening

(01:08:43):
with Drake.

Speaker 2 (01:08:45):
Yeah, yeah.
In an alternate universe itwould be interesting, wouldn't
it man?

Speaker 1 (01:08:51):
Glad I don't got my O .
Be interesting, wouldn't it,man?
Glad I don't got my OVO jacketnow Looking bad for you.

Speaker 2 (01:08:58):
Speaking of being in a bad place, you want to slide
to the music anniversary Withthe other guy in the big three.

Speaker 1 (01:09:06):
I really don't.
I was about to say this isperfect.
Well, on March 5th of last year, april 5th, yeah, yeah, yeah,
I'm about to say this is perfect.
Well, on March 5th of last year.
April 5th, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'msorry, april 5th of last year.
J Cole might delete later andhe should just want to delete
this whole month.
It was a dope album killed bythe worst and most inappropriate

(01:09:29):
apology ever it might have been.
It know, it is crazy LikeKendrick may have won this by
these two fools missteps, noteven by his own assertion and
the assertion is there becausenot like us is like that.
But I'm still thinking tomyself a year later why would
you drop this album right nowand why would you apologize
right after you drop this albumright now at Channel Festival AG

(01:09:49):
?
Go ahead and go.

Speaker 2 (01:09:51):
This.
Why would you apologize rightafter you drop this album right
now at your own festival?
Ag, go ahead and go.
This is all.
I couldn't have said that anybetter.
Man Cole, with that wholeapology, was like Houston in the
last possession, a couplepossessions of the NCAA
championship game, like Icouldn't get a shot off,
couldn't get a shot.
So you know we're a yearremoved from that.
So that was my next question.

(01:10:12):
We're one year anniversary Imight delete later and we're one
year anniversary from lastDreamville where the infamous
apology happened.
And before we get into thisyear's Dreamville Festival, let
me ask you, coop does time healall wounds?
After a year later, are we overthe apology?

Speaker 1 (01:10:33):
No, it's making me emotional.
I need some water right now.
I'm not over it.
I thought I was over it.
It's literally drying me up onthe inside because it's like why
would he do this?
It's like having a badflashback.
I didn't realize how much I hadsuppressed this from my memory
until this very, very moment intime, right now.

(01:10:55):
It's ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (01:10:59):
But you want to know what's funny?
I'm going to go ahead and sayit so we can move on to this
year's Dreamville Festival,which is the last Dreamville
Festival.
That's how they marketed it.
Look here.
Look here I'm going to say whenyour label is called Dreamville
Festival, that's how theymarketed it.

Speaker 1 (01:11:11):
Look here I'm going to say when your label is called
Dreamville and you do what youdid last year, trust me, last
year was the last year, right?

Speaker 2 (01:11:19):
And that's what I'm alluding to.
He fumbled the bag this yearbecause if you come on stage,
you had two differentopportunities.
Kanye has been throwing shotsat him, you know what I'm saying
and he got on stage and saidpretty much God bless him.
Favorable stuff about Kanye,like at some point, j Cole,
you're going to have to make anexample out of somebody.

(01:11:40):
You didn't want to do it toKendrick, but you could have
made an example out of Kanye andgave him some bars.
So that's one fumble bag.
The second fumble bag is what Imean by Tom heals all wounds At
this year's Dreamville Festival.
Everybody remembers whathappened last year and the stain
that that was.
Somebody's talking the wholething.

(01:12:00):
He could have really made somewaves and went viral if he could
have just got on stage andperformed like two joints off
the fall off.
He's still gatekeeping thisalbum Like why not and I know
sometimes it's hard to performnew records in front of, like
you know, crowds, but why notget them excited and perform two

(01:12:21):
or three records off the falloff just to make up for the BS
that you did last year?

Speaker 1 (01:12:27):
Hey, you want to know what AG Cole and Drake deserve
everything that they're getting.
I'm going to tell you what manBefore last year, for the
previous five years, if Kendrickwas in pole position, these
guys have done a masterful jobabout making up ground and

(01:12:50):
literally in one year they madeboth of them subsequently, at
separate times, made some of thepoorest decisions and poorest
moves that you could ever makeat the peak of your rap career,
and that's what I mean.
It's like did Kendrick asserthimself?
Did Kendrick do what he wassupposed to do?

(01:13:11):
He absolutely did, but in himdoing that, you can see how
those guys didn't even do whatthey were supposed to do.
It's like this is what justhappened.
This is like having your threebest students.
Okay, like these guys literallyare your three best students.
They're always getting 97, 98,99,.

(01:13:31):
Alright, like these guysliterally are your three best
students.
They're always getting 97, 98,99.
All right, it's like the guythat was getting 97 the last
five years you know what I'msaying and it looked like the
guys were getting 98, 99.
It's like, literally in oneyear, it's like those guys
started getting 75s.
It's like when this guy showsback up and gets a 97,.
That's when you want to startgiving us a 75.

(01:13:53):
You've literally.
It looks like you're going tobe a nuclear physicist for the
rest of your career.
No, it looks like you weregoing to be a janitor at a
McDonald's.
That is what the drop off hasbeen.
That is what it looks like Idon't even see the point in
having this festival.
I think it's in very poor taste.
I'd rather talk about you andSean on Stoop Stories for

(01:14:15):
another anniversary.
We can move on.
We can move on.
Kiss my black ass.
Ag, I don't give a damn aboutthis anniversary.
Did Sean put you up to this?

Speaker 2 (01:14:25):
Not at all.
I'm not even going to blamethat on Sean.
I just wanted to know if we wasover it or not.
Evidently we're not.

Speaker 1 (01:14:34):
I told you niggas last year.
I said I might need to talk toa therapist about this.

Speaker 2 (01:14:41):
Yeah, it hurt Because Cole was my favorite out of the
three.
I was putting all chips in likebetting on Cole.

Speaker 1 (01:14:49):
Do you understand that the best MC in the game was
from North Carolina and it wasthis close to happening and it
almost happened for the hometeam, ag.
And then this nigga.
That's ridiculous.
It's so ridiculous.

(01:15:09):
So on April 6th 1999, nasreleased I Am, and you and Sean
actually Released your firstsoup stories on YouTube,
chronicling all the FodderHistory, mystery Release tracks,
unreleased tracks, bootleggingconcerning the project.
What is your synopsis of youand Sean's hoop stories?

(01:15:33):
Ag.

Speaker 2 (01:15:34):
Oh yeah, if you haven't got a chance to check it
out, go ahead and check it out.
That's actually our second.
Our first one was on SupremeClontel.
But yeah, I don't want tobelabor the point, but I think
this is one of the albums.
I can't think of another albumwith more lore surrounding it,
whether good, bad or indifferent.
I can't think of one album thatjust had so many things

(01:15:59):
surrounding it.
So that's why we wanted to do ashow highlighting those things.
But you know, history playedout how it was supposed to, but
me and Sean covered alternateuniverse.
If things would have went asintended, what does that look
like?
I think it's definitely aninteresting conversation around

(01:16:20):
that album.

Speaker 1 (01:16:23):
I'm going to be brief when I say this.
I feel like this album,although lyrically not what it
was written was, song-wise wasput together better than it was
written.
I feel like yeah, I feel likethat's heavy praise, though I do

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I feel like it's comparable towhat it was written in its
quality and I think, because ofthat, the original version, I
feel, because of that, theoriginal version, I feel,
because of that it would make itthe greatest three album rap
run in history.
Actually, had it actually cameout Illmatic it was written in
the original version of I AmYou'd be the greatest three

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album rap where I'm not likeperiod, like doesn't matter,
rapper, soloist, duo, group, asfar as three consecutive albums,
because I do think that thatwould exceed the Pac run, the
Rock M run.
In terms of the quality of thethird project, because I do

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think that the original versionof I Am is better than
Machiavelli and let the rhythmhit them or follow the leader,
depending on how you feel.
You know that's a fairassessment.
So I think that is what we lost.
In losing that, I think you andSean did an appropriate and a
proper job of kind of likecommemorating that ethos In
addition to your own personalsynopsis.

(01:17:47):
I enjoyed the episode.

Speaker 2 (01:17:49):
Appreciate it man.
Thank you, Y'all check it out.

Speaker 1 (01:17:53):
Yeah, yeah, definitely need to check it out.
Definitely worth a dig.
Pieces of a man from AZ.
March 7th, I mean April 7th.
I don't know why I keep sayingMarch.
Why is March on my mind, April7th 1998.

Speaker 2 (01:18:07):
Where do you rank this one Coop for AZ's catalog?
I personally have it.

Speaker 1 (01:18:11):
third, I've thought about this.
What did you think of NineLives?
Do you count Nine Lives?
Yes, I went and listened toNine Lives today and there was
part of me that thought NineLives might be better than this
AG.

Speaker 2 (01:18:27):
I don't think so, but I do have AZ Attic over this
okay.

Speaker 1 (01:18:32):
So here's where I'm at.
I think I got Doer Diet 1 right.
I think I got.
I personally like Asiatic morethan Doer Diet 2, but I do think
Doer Diet 2 is better thanAsiatic because I think Asiatic
always suffered from trying tocross over a little too hard and
it's been a mixed bag ofresults.

Speaker 2 (01:18:54):
I think Asiatic is his best production because that
was the sole sample album.

Speaker 1 (01:19:01):
I love I'm Back.
I'm Back is my joint, theEssence Fan Mail.
Fan Mail is one of my favoriteA-joints.
Matter of fact, I might put Asicover Doerr, that's who you
might be right, ag, I think hejust convinced me I can go with
you.

(01:19:21):
But I think, doerr, that too isbetter than Pieces of a man,
though I think Pieces of a manproduction-wise doesn't do much.
I think AZ is very, very muchstellar on there.
At times he does like when hestays in his pocket in his zone,
like when he does stuff likeI'm Known and Sosa.
I feel like those are pockets.
Sosa's a top 10 AZ joint for me.

(01:19:44):
Sosa's crazy.
Yeah, sosa's my favorite jointon there.
But I do think that it's, likeyou know, it's a little bit
underrated, but it's mostlybecause A that it's like you
know, it's a little bitunderrated, but it's mostly
because A that it's underrated.
The production should have beenmuch better.
I would probably put it atfourth.
It's between that and NineLives for fourth or fifth.

(01:20:06):
But also when I say this, thatmakes A's catalog pretty strong.
When you start talking aboutyour top five is Doer Die, you
know as Addict Pieces of.

Speaker 2 (01:20:17):
Rain.
You didn't even mention AWOL.
I think AWOL is pretty strong.

Speaker 1 (01:20:21):
AWOL probably has what is arguably my favorite A
record, which is the Come Up.
I love the Come Up with Preemand AZ.
How about this?
The way cats feel about Royceand Preem on Boom, I feel the
same way about Preem and A onthe Come up.
It's Boom, it's up there.

Speaker 2 (01:20:40):
And I tweeted Sean tweeted out the anniversary of
Pieces of a man.
How you Livin' is my favoriteNas and AZ collab record.
I'll put that over.
It doesn't have the impact thatthe others have, but I just
love that record, man.

Speaker 1 (01:20:55):
As soon as it comes on.

Speaker 2 (01:20:57):
I get the vibe.

Speaker 1 (01:20:58):
How about this?
I realize everybody has theirvibe, even with the Nas and AZ
thing.
It's so surprising.
I think we all know Life is aBitch is the best record but we
all got our favorite record Mineis Phone Tap.
Yours is how you Livin'.
It's perfectly okay, AJ, it'sperfectly healthy.

Speaker 2 (01:21:17):
Yep, own tap.
Yours is how you live and it'sperfectly okay, angie, it's
perfectly healthy.
Yep, yep, and I do likewhatever happened with RZA as
well, but it's a solid album.
Start or fourth maybe I wasn'tthat big on it.

Speaker 1 (01:21:22):
Yeah, it's in its top five, but great career by A,
the fact that we just bought upsix AZ albums off the top of our
head.
You know Facts, yeah.
So up next Still Standing myGoody Mob, which, by the way,
came out on the same day, thesame year.
It's one of those underrateddays in hip hop.
I was thinking about this whenI realized these albums came out
on the same day.

(01:21:42):
I said this is what I mean whenI when I tell these young
whippersnappers that there usedto be a time where you could go
to the Wreck-It-Stone and therewould be all types of hip hop
available to you depending onwhat your preference was.
It.
And there would be all types ofhip hop available to you
depending on what yourpreference was.
It's like oh no, if he was theEast Coast guy, chances were an
East Coast guy dropped that youprobably like If there was a
Southern artist or act that youlike chances are they dropped,

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and this is just kind of likethe embodiment of that.
I think Still Standings is agreat album.
It is soul food, but soul food,in my opinion, is one of the
five best rap albums that evereven come out of the South, so
it's hard to top those types ofthings.
I think it's an excellent jobof a follow-up, to be honest

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with you and in a lot of waysmore popular and made them a
bigger name than its predecessor.

Speaker 2 (01:22:31):
I got one question for you from my analysis of this
album because I think veryhighly of this record for sky.
High right Black ice sky blackice.

Speaker 1 (01:22:39):
Yeah, what about it?

Speaker 2 (01:22:41):
How high does that record rank out of singles to
come out of ATL Cause?
I'm thinking it's pretty highsingles.
Yes, I'm thinking.
I'm thinking it might be top 10, bro, but you're the ATL guy,
so correct me if I'm wrong.

Speaker 1 (01:23:02):
I'm saying it's top 10 for ATL.
It's very, very strong.
Because the first thing Ithought when you got TI, what
you know, you got future withMarch Madness.
I'm trying to think how aboutthis AG?
That's one of those records.

(01:23:23):
We love that record, but thereare so many records down here
from them that are bigger in ouropinion.

Speaker 2 (01:23:30):
That's why I'm asking you, because you're the native.

Speaker 1 (01:23:33):
It would probably.
I'll tell you this it wouldcrack the top 25.
Okay, it would crack the top 25.
It would crack the top 25.
I don't think it would crackthe top 10, though.
There's been too much of thisgoing down.
You can't put this seems crazyto say you really can't put
Black Ice over.
Get Love from the Ying YangTwins.
You feel me?

Speaker 2 (01:23:52):
I don't agree, but I see what you're saying for the
area.

Speaker 1 (01:23:55):
Yeah, like in Atlanta it's like we'll know cause I'm
thinking more of a qualityperspective.

Speaker 2 (01:24:02):
You're thinking about impact in the city.

Speaker 1 (01:24:05):
I'm thinking about like one of the best oh, if
you're talking quality, ifyou're talking about one of the
10 best rap records that comeout of Atlanta, yeah, that's
what I was saying oh yeah, it'sarguably that I would tell you
still top 20.
Because what I will tell you isis that here's the problem with
black eyes thought process andget up, get out or better, and

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so were the standoutperformances in terms of the bar
seminars on the record.
Even within the relationship ofthe first couple of records
that they all kind of are on,together it's better than some
of them, but it's still not atthe top of the list.
Like CeeLo on get up, get outis more memorable than anybody
is on black ice.
And Andre and CeeLo on thoughtpress are more memorable than

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anybody is on black ice.
So even though black ice isgreat and you got to think about
Dirty South on Soul Food withBig Boi on it, you get what I'm
saying.
So it's like, oh, no Record isgreat, but it's like it might
even fall.
That's what I'm saying.
It might be close to top 20,top 25, because it might fall
fourth, fifth or sixth justwithin the camp.

Speaker 2 (01:25:13):
Once you start pulling outcast records and
stuff.
Yeah, that's fair, that's fair,yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:25:19):
No, no, no, but that's a dope.
That's a great question, though, ag, and it's a valid one.
Andre's verse on there ispretty special.
It is, yeah, it's one of histen best verses.
How about that?

Speaker 2 (01:25:33):
Oh yeah, for sure, for sure.
He went crazy yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:25:40):
All oh, yeah, for sure, for sure.
He went crazy.
Yeah, all right, uh, what?
What are your thoughts on?

Speaker 2 (01:25:43):
still standing, though ag like what do you think
of the album like?
I agree wholeheartedly witheverything you said.
I think it's a great follow-up.
It's not the classic that soulfood is, but it's definitely a
great follow-up.
There's some great records onthere, so no sophomore slump, no
sophomore slump at all there.

Speaker 1 (01:25:58):
No sophomore slump, but the third album.
Anyway, going to the next thing.
So on an album that shouldn'thave, quite frankly, made this
music anniversary list at all,the last bit by Jada Kiss.

Speaker 2 (01:26:13):
I think, Sean put that there for me because I'm a
Jada guy.

Speaker 1 (01:26:16):
I was actually thinking okay.
So my thought was that did AGput Sean up to this or does Sean
just love AG so much that heknew AG would want to talk about
this?
But either way, I deem thisbehavior to be unacceptable
because Sean's looking out man.
I appreciate Sean for lookingout.
This guy was just not that good, ag.
But I'm going to let you talkno, it's not.

Speaker 2 (01:26:36):
It's not.
If we're going one, two, three,four, this might be Jada's
fourth best.
No, yeah, fourth best album, ifanything but the two stand out.

Speaker 1 (01:26:54):
That's very problematic.

Speaker 2 (01:26:57):
Right, but I mean another major crossover
commercial attempt.
But I do love the record Letterto Big.
I love that record.
And to have Faith on there, andwhat If with Nas, I do love
that record and that concept.
But it's really not a whole lotto pull from this album.
Not a whole lot to pull.

(01:27:17):
I got to be honest.
As a Jadakiss man, I would rankthis fourth behind Kiss the
Game, goodbye, kiss of Death andIgnatius.
I would rank this fourth.

Speaker 1 (01:27:26):
Now we're not certain if he has a rap classic, but
we're talking about his fourthbest album, correct?
Okay, we're going to edit Seanon the list from now on.
Sean, you're getting editedwhen you come back.

Speaker 2 (01:27:36):
I take the blame man.

Speaker 1 (01:27:37):
It's probably there because I'm the Jada guy, so
we're going to blame you, we'regoing to blame Sean, we're going
to blame everybody.
I'd like to apologize to thepeople that you had to spend the
last talking about this project.
That had no business making ourlist today.
I love Jada Kiss.
This album was not good, andthat is all I have to say On to
news.
So Billboard and their attempts, I guess, to keep pace with the

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list being made about femalesin the hip-hop space has
released their top 25 bestfemale rappers of all time.
Now, ag.
I am not a glowing fan of thislist and I'll tell you why.
I was immediately able to nameeight MCs who deserve

(01:28:26):
consideration for this list, ata bare minimum.
That didn't even make this list.

Speaker 2 (01:28:33):
Who was number one on it?
Because I got one glaringomission.
That's like nasty.

Speaker 1 (01:28:39):
Is it Chase?
And when I thought about it, no, I mean Chase should be on here
.
Chase is not the glaringomission to me.
I can understand leaving someof the newer people off.

Speaker 2 (01:28:55):
Half of this list is newer people.
Well, that would be some of theproblem.
They picked the the newerpeople off.

Speaker 1 (01:28:57):
Half of this list is newer people.
Well, that would be some of theproblem.
They picked the wrong newerpeople and some of the older
people didn't get their due.
I'll tell you, the glaringomission is actually Yo-Yo, not
making this list.
Ag, that's a good pull.
Yeah, you're right.
The glaring omission to me wasYo-Yo Mia X.

Speaker 2 (01:29:16):
Mia X is not on here, rod Digger, rod needs to be
towards the top Top half JeanGrey, right Bahamadia.
A lot, yeah, you up to five.

Speaker 1 (01:29:33):
Shauna yeah, that's fair.

Speaker 2 (01:29:38):
Lady.

Speaker 1 (01:29:38):
Luck, lady Luck.

Speaker 2 (01:29:41):
I'm glad you're bringing these names, coop,
because this is coming off of aweek ago, when we talked about
the best female feature versus.
That list was really spot on.
It was right you could disagreewith the order, but the joints
they pulled was spot on.

Speaker 1 (01:29:57):
You want to know what I realized when I was making
the list about the MCs.
To do the guest verse list isso easy because the space for
Black women in hip-hop has beenso marginalized that they really
only had about 10 to 15 femaleMCs to pull from for all those
verses.
So it wasn't hard to parse itout and most of those verses

(01:30:18):
think about it.
I mean I'm not exaggeratingwhen I say this I mean about
eight of those verses belongedto Fox and Kim.
It wasn't hard.

Speaker 2 (01:30:26):
Right, that's true, but I'm going to still give them
credit where credit's due.

Speaker 1 (01:30:32):
I'm just saying.
The degree of difficulty isthat this is different, because
now you're actually talkingabout the actual MCs.
Oh, I'm not finished yet.
Ag, we got Heather B, we gotChe, that's 10.

Speaker 3 (01:30:42):
That's 10 MCs on the list of 25.

Speaker 1 (01:30:44):
Like, I just gave you 10.
I just gave you 10.
Oh, and that's not bringing upBoss from Detroit, remember,
boss, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:30:50):
I don't know if Boss, I don't know if she makes it,
but once you named all the other10 that you named, I don't know
if she gets on, because that'swhat I was going to ask you.
Do you think, with all thesenew names on the list, like the

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Lottos, the Glorillas you knowwhat I'm saying the Cardi B,
megan you know what I'm sayingDoja Cat, even, and a lot of
these are ranked up high, do you?

Speaker 1 (01:31:28):
think it's because of a shortage of notable female
MCs that they had to pull allthese fairly new names, or they
just overlooked everybody thatyou just named effortlessly off
the top of your head.
I mean, the yo-yo thing wasjust like OK, like I don't know
how you all miss yo-yo.

Speaker 2 (01:31:36):
Open hands, clap, I'll play my by.

Speaker 1 (01:31:37):
Yo-Yo, yeah, yo-yo's the most glaring omission to me,
yo-yo and Rod Digger not beingon here.

Speaker 2 (01:31:43):
For me it would be Rod Digger.

Speaker 1 (01:31:45):
Yeah, I think Yo-Yo is bigger and more important,
even though Rod Digger's thebetter MC If we talk about the
Kraft MC, and Rod Digger'sprobably better Yo-Yo's more
important.
Think about it Yo-Yo's downwith Ice Cube on Bonnie and
Clyde on her first album.

Speaker 2 (01:32:00):
She does that on.

Speaker 1 (01:32:01):
Crime Cube.
She has a bigger single.
Think about it.
She's in Boys in the Hood,she's on Martin, she's on the I
Wanna Be Down remix.
She's been a TV personality,she's been a radio personality.
It's Yo-yo, yo-yo not being onthis list.
Thinking that there are 25female MCs that deserve to be
ahead of yo-yo is prettyegregious to me, and so that's

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what comes to my mind.
And then, just like on some rapshit, then I go to Diga
Bahamadia and then Mia X as faras Southern representation, and
I would tell you this, and thisis just like some harsh truth
that some people are going tohave to deal with, and this is
what I mean.
Well, I understand who Cardi Bis.
So Cardi got one album, justlike Mahamudia got one album.

(01:32:45):
Do you know who Mahamudia islike in her world?
Cause, like she's Cardi in herworld, like in terms of how
female MCs look at her, it'slike oh, no, that's that
motherfucker.
Oh, the way she rhymed and putthe words together and it's so
slick and eloquent.
And so we just kind of got tobe fair.
I think Rhapsody could havebeen higher.
I do like the fact that Trinamade the list.

Speaker 2 (01:33:08):
I love the fact that they put Left Eye on this list
Right.
I don't like how they putSalt-N-Pepa as one.
They took up one slot and gaveit.
That's a group.

Speaker 1 (01:33:18):
I didn't love that, but when I thought about it
can't leave them out of the topten.

Speaker 2 (01:33:26):
What do you think about number one?
That's the burning question.
What do you think about numberone?

Speaker 1 (01:33:31):
I don't, I would reorder it.
I would tell you this you can'tput it's not fair to Latifah,
light, missy and Nikki and Kimto put Lauren ahead of them.
If you want to put Lauren aheadof everybody else, I'm OK with
it Kim at number one, ahead ofLauren, ahead of Light, ahead of

(01:34:01):
Latifah and ahead of Missy.
I did realize today that thosesame rules applied to Nikki, and
so, although personally thelist would probably look
different, objectively I wouldhave it restructured Kim, nikki,
missy, Light, latifah, lauren,foxy, salt-n-pepa, roxanne,

(01:34:27):
shante and the Bratz.
That would be my 10.

Speaker 2 (01:34:32):
And putting Lauren that low was more predicated on
output than actually skill set.
Correct I just you.
It's not fair to the andre 3000argument right.

Speaker 1 (01:34:42):
I'm giving her more credit than andre because you
have more rap stuff than andredone more guests versus have put
more rap product out on analbum per se in terms of
actually doing rap songs.
But it's not fair to the otherwomen that have made the solo
rap contributions that they havethat you don't have a rap solo
album and we're putting youahead of Light and Latifah who,
like, think about this.

(01:35:03):
Light just made an album, likethe other year.
Ag she's been making rap albumssince we was five years old,
dude Right.

Speaker 2 (01:35:14):
That was a good album .
It was a good album it was agood album.

Speaker 1 (01:35:18):
That's what I'm saying.
But MC Light has been makingrap albums since we were like
five, six years old.
She's been making rap albumsfor almost 40 years.
Lauryn Hill hasn't given us onefull rap album yet.
No, we can't put Lauryn Hillahead of MC Light when Lauryn
Hill hasn't given us one fullrap album and MC Light been
making rap albums since we wereliterally in first grade.
Fair is fair.

Speaker 2 (01:35:40):
Fair is fair.

Speaker 1 (01:35:41):
Yeah, that shit don't make no sense, it don't, it's
not right, it's not right.
That's like saying how aboutthis?
Like AG, I'm as big as a GrantHill fan as there ever was.
But that's like me runningaround and saying well, you know
Grant Hill better than LeBronand Kobe, and da-da-da.
It's like oh, no for about five, six years he was.

Speaker 2 (01:36:01):
Yeah, you just can't do it.

Speaker 1 (01:36:06):
I don't got enough to go off of to say that what I've
seen, oh no, what I've seen isjust as good as, but what I've
seen ain't enough.
What I've seen is just as goodas, but what I've seen ain't
enough, right, yeah, so, but Iwould.
I would redo the list mostlybecause of those things, just
because there's so many peoplethat could be included.

Speaker 2 (01:36:27):
Yeah, the ones you named.
You know the only one who Iwould object like, and there's
no disrespect, but once younamed a boss, that was the only
one.
I could find replacements for alot on this list.
For everybody you named that'snot on this list, but I think
Boss would be the one thatwouldn't make the cut.

Speaker 1 (01:36:48):
I gave you 10 names, though.
So that means I gave you 10names.
So that means you could putnine people in this 25 that they
made.
That means their 25.
Ain't that good?

Speaker 2 (01:37:01):
No, it's not.
It's not, but it's billboard.
But we just wanted to highlightthat, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:37:07):
I went, andre Miller, I took into Brad over Yo-Yo too
.
But Yo-Yo's on the list is whatI'm saying, yo-yo's, at least
Like Yo-yo on my list.
I have yo-yo at 17 on my list,like, and I think that's fair,
fair enough, yeah.
So um, now, um, let's go to, uh, this mass appeal snippet, the

(01:37:28):
legend has it snippet.
That's been kind of like uh,floating around the last couple
days, some cryptic meshes, sevenalbums from seven legendary
groups.
So I think, um, in the video,ag, if I'm not mistaken, is that
goody mob I'm seeing no, uh,and I don't know that for a fact
.

Speaker 2 (01:37:46):
This, uh, I don't know for a fact that they're all
albums.
It might be other projects likedocumentary, yeah, so it might
be something like that, but ourpeople that are, you know, savvy
on the internet and crack codes, towards the end of the video
it was some dates, and all thedates corresponded with a

(01:38:08):
legendary acts, you know, one oftheir classic album debut.
To let us kind of clue, let ushave a clue on the artists that
are involved, and those artistswere, you Were, you know, nas,
of course, with Nas and Premierealbum, ghostface, raekwon, mobb
Deep, big L and De La Soul, youknow.
So, whatever they announcecoming forward, you know, if

(01:38:32):
it's, five of them Are albumsand two of them are
documentaries, or what have you,if this is what the third and
fourth quarter is going toconsist of?
I saw somebody I wish I knewthe person named to quote it.
They said this is the old headsDisneyland, that's what they
say.

Speaker 1 (01:38:48):
And for third and fourth quarter.
They're doing snippets forsomething they're not going to
drop for another two, threemonths.
Is that what you're telling me?

Speaker 2 (01:38:58):
Oh well, maybe second , maybe second, third and fourth
quarter, because I'm figuring,guessing this is going to span
the rest of the year.
So you know, let's just saythey drop one thing a month.

Speaker 1 (01:39:12):
Stop playing with me and giving me my music.

Speaker 2 (01:39:16):
Yeah, we'll see.
We'll see what the releasedates are.
If I was a Batman, I would saythe Nas and Premiere album would
be the grand finale.
I don't, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:39:28):
Here's the thing history has taught me that these
rollouts, the way that theyhappen.
Word to Kanye it's better to gofirst than last.

Speaker 2 (01:39:38):
Yeah, the Kanye EP album rollout and stuff like
Pusha T with Daytona.
My thing is this I would ratherthe Nas and Premier album jump
it off than to be the grandfinale, because if everybody
doesn't, you know that is makingan album.
That is everybody else that'smaking an album.
If they don't, you know thatthat is making an album.
That is everybody else ismaking an album.

(01:39:59):
If they don't meet theirdeadlines, does that mean the
nasa premiere album would getpushed back?
I don't want anything elseholding up that album process.
That's my thing.
So I would rather them just gofirst and jump it off I ain't
heard no records from none ofthese projects.

Speaker 1 (01:40:17):
Ag, I don't believe these guys.

Speaker 2 (01:40:21):
We gonna see what happens.
They ain't doing the promo fornothing.
This is the slow old schoolrollout, cause it's old school X
man these Negroes.
Coop, just reserving hisexcitement these.

Speaker 1 (01:40:35):
Negroes out here singing Wade in the Water when
they supposed Coop justreserving his excitement.
These Negroes out here singingWade in the Water when they're
supposed to be singing Open myHeart by Yolanda Adams.
It's ridiculous.
We got anything to talk about.

Speaker 2 (01:40:50):
Nah, nah.
We don't know enough, yet wedon't know enough.

Speaker 1 (01:40:55):
We don't know enough AG, and that's what I'm saying.
I get that they want to have usin the old school, traditional
format and not give us anything.
But it's like I mean, can abrother get a?
I'm not joking, can a brotherget a beat with you rapping over
it for 15 seconds?
It's a little snippet,something legitimate to look

(01:41:17):
forward to, like cause, here'smy thing.
I don't know.
I do not give a shit about yourvision board on your favorite
producer's birthday.
Like I'm not, I don't give ashit about that board.
That's all that board is.

Speaker 2 (01:41:29):
I don't give a fuck about your board, man that was
just a play I'm recording in thebahamas right now look here,
look here, man I know how Ibought a life being.

Speaker 1 (01:41:39):
When I took my daughter car shop to the day but
my car I parked my car on theside.
I had plans to get shit down tomy car.
By the time I got done lookingmy daughter's car, I looked
mechanic.
I was like, don't look likeI'll be getting anything done in
my car today.
That's how the mission board beworking and shit.
That's not why I'm not tryingto hear that shit.
Give me no fucking word onsomebody's birthday Spoon.
Feed me some bullshit.
Hear the beats that nigga.

(01:42:00):
What are we doing?

Speaker 2 (01:42:07):
Yo, that's wild.
Put a beat in the backdrop withthe calendar, is what you're
saying?
Yo, ab, put a beat in thebackdrop with the calendar is
what you're saying.

Speaker 1 (01:42:18):
Yo A beat man.
I'm gonna go join an elevatorand tell my hey, let's play our
A game tonight and like, bring Agame.
It's like like no, nigga, don'tgive me a board, give me A beat
.
Like any beat, like A beat.

Speaker 2 (01:42:30):
You couldn't put A beat behind the backdrop with it
that's what we doing out here,taking the 15 second beat and
looping it up behind thebackdrop with it.
That's what we're doing outhere.
Niggas be on the internettaking the 15 second beat and
looping it up.

Speaker 1 (01:42:41):
Reading the goddamn Vorden silence, I gotta put on
my glasses and zoom in on it.
It's ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (01:42:49):
You said where's the album?

Speaker 1 (01:42:53):
Speaking of albums, some wack-ass publication has
done the top 50 rap albums ofthe decade.
Speaking of albums, some umsome whack ass publication has
done the top 50 rap albums ofthe decade who's throwing shots.
That's crazy no hot new hip hoplist.
How hot is this list?

Speaker 2 (01:43:14):
nah, but I will give them credit.
They said in their openingstatement they are open to all
criticism because they're surethat people won't agree with it.
So I give them credit that theyalready know that the list is
disagreeable.

Speaker 1 (01:43:30):
But I don't believe.
I don't believe in people whoare like hey look, I'm right
here, you can shoot at me withyour gun if you want to.
No, I don't like people likethat.

Speaker 2 (01:43:43):
What's interesting is their rubric.
They said that this list wasbased off impact, ethos and the
reception by the public.

Speaker 1 (01:43:50):
Impact ethos reception yes, okay, I'm
fascinated Impact ethosReception.
Yes, okay, I'm fascinatedImpact Ethos Reception.

Speaker 2 (01:44:01):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (01:44:02):
Fascinating.
Some of the dumbest shit I'veheard, but keep going so.

Speaker 2 (01:44:10):
I mean I could go through a lot of the lists but I
have my gripes with the list,but they might be biased gripes.
Please don't know AJ.

Speaker 1 (01:44:21):
I'd like if you'd highlight some of the things on
the list.
Tell me, AJ, what's number oneon the list.

Speaker 2 (01:44:25):
Number one on the list is Playboy Cardi A Whole
Lotta Red the best 50 albums.
We're talking about the best 50albums of the 2020s decade, and
number two is Coop's favoritealbum, Mr Morale and the Big
Steppers.

Speaker 1 (01:44:40):
I'm out, I'm out when we at, where we at, where we
gonna be at on these moments.

Speaker 2 (01:44:48):
Yo go check them out over at Hot New Hip Hop.
But you know what I will sayCoop and this is a biased thing.

Speaker 1 (01:44:52):
How old are they?
11?
No-transcript.
Are they 11 and 13?

Speaker 2 (01:44:55):
I have no idea.
I have no idea, but what I willsay, you're past the curfew.
They can't be watching thisshow right now.
What I will say is Nas Kings ofthese Three, you know how high
we hold that album that madenumber 20 of the 2020s.
And I ask you this, likewithout even knowing the whole

(01:45:18):
list Is it biased to?
I'm just talking about yourpersonal like.
You know what would you thinkwould be the top 50 albums since
2020 came around?
Would it be too biased to thinkthat all six albums from the
Hit-Boy run belong in that list?
And if not six, maybe all, withthe exception of Magic 2.

Speaker 1 (01:45:45):
Definitely four, probably five.

Speaker 2 (01:45:48):
That's what I was thinking, but KD3 is the only
one that made this list.
Definitely four.
Yeah, kd3 is the only one thatmade it.

Speaker 1 (01:45:56):
I would have thought, if this is the type one that
made it.
I would have thought if, likethis is the type of publication
where it's like young men whoare auditing it, I would think
that Kings Disease 1 would havemade it too, because that's
actually the one.
Kd1 and 2 is actually more likethey had a lot of notoriety huh
, they had a lot of notoriety.
Kd1 well, they both had recordson there that fit both sides of

(01:46:17):
the coin of his fan base, likefor the younger fan base, more
palatable.
So I would think that all ofthe King's disease would make it
I think Magic would make it.
Off of its inherent hip-hopnature, I do think that those
four would be shoe-ins for a top50 list.
But think about what they saidImpact ethos, but here's the

(01:46:38):
important part reception yeah,reception.

Speaker 2 (01:46:41):
People act like the Nas albums didn't happen.

Speaker 1 (01:46:44):
Correct.
So that affects some of this inthat regard.
What are some other fascinatingthings that they did in making
this?

Speaker 2 (01:46:52):
This was probably the thing that I was most
fascinated about.
One thing that will make you islike you know how, when
somebody says I got good newsand I got bad news, I'm going to
deliver the good news first.
Freddie Gibbs' Alfredo isnumber four on this list.

Speaker 1 (01:47:08):
Yeah, it is, yeah, it is Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:47:11):
Here's the bad news that might be right.
Soul Soul Separately is nowhereto be found in this 50.

Speaker 1 (01:47:17):
Okay, they don't know what they're doing.
It's time to send them home.

Speaker 2 (01:47:20):
That was the most fascinating thing to me.

Speaker 1 (01:47:23):
How can you have Alfredo at four and have Soul
Soul Separately not even on thelist.
It's a gap.
It's not that big a gap.
No, it's like if you thinkAlfredo is the fourth best album
of the 2020s, it's like if youthink Alfredo is the fourth best
album of the 2020s, then thatmeans you think Soul Soul
separately at worst is like 16,17, like at worst.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:47:50):
Well, while you're in that range of 16, 17,.
One of your favorite albums ofthe 2020s Pray for Paris is
number 18.

Speaker 1 (01:47:54):
I think it needs to be closer to the top of the list
.
I listened to Pray for ParisFor the first time in a long
time, about a week ago.
It's still beautiful.

Speaker 2 (01:48:06):
Yep, another one of your favorite albums Black
Thought and Danger Mouse.
Cheat Code At number 22.
Cheat Code is up there, shortlyfollowed by GNX at 24.
Cheat code at number 22.
Cheat code is up there.
It is Shortly followed by GNXat 24.

Speaker 1 (01:48:20):
That's not right, but okay.

Speaker 2 (01:48:23):
I was trying to get you triggered.
You didn't fall for it.

Speaker 1 (01:48:26):
Okay, it's just not okay at this point.
Killer Mike.

Speaker 2 (01:48:31):
Michael, where do you think that's at Just wild?
Guess 35.
29.
Where do you think that's atJust wild?

Speaker 1 (01:48:39):
guess 35, 29 Because a lot of people.

Speaker 2 (01:48:41):
Raved about that album.
But, Kanye's Donda, where youthink that falls at.

Speaker 1 (01:48:50):
Okay, should be falling off a cliff and not on
this list.

Speaker 2 (01:48:53):
It's at number 38.
It's close enough To the cliffof being off this list.

Speaker 1 (01:48:56):
It's at number 38.
It's close enough to the cliffof being off this list.

Speaker 2 (01:49:00):
Let's go with some recency.
Future Metro we Don't Trust you.
Where do you think that falls?

Speaker 1 (01:49:06):
Number 7.
43.
Fascinating.

Speaker 2 (01:49:14):
And one of my favorite albums of the 2020s.
I know you are not as high onthis album, but I love it.
It's Benny's.
Burden of Proof is at 39.

Speaker 1 (01:49:22):
Has no business on those lists at all.
It's ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (01:49:25):
Pusha T Almost Dry 15 .

Speaker 1 (01:49:31):
34.
We'll disappoint.

Speaker 2 (01:49:35):
We were all a fan of Blue Lips by Schoolboy.
Where do you think it landed at?

Speaker 1 (01:49:43):
I'd put it in the 40s .

Speaker 2 (01:49:45):
Number eight.

Speaker 1 (01:49:47):
Blue Lips is number eight.
Yep, they got a funky way oflooking at things, but I can see
some of the rationale.

Speaker 2 (01:49:56):
A couple more.
You know Tyler is becoming oneof the media darlings.
Where do you think that Tylercalled me If you get lost, which
was a really good album?
Where do you think that fell?

Speaker 1 (01:50:10):
For me in this era, I would probably have that album
right at the end of my back 20.
So I probably have it at like19, which means they probably
have that album right at the endof my back 20,.
So I'd probably have it at 19,which means I'd probably have it
at 5.

Speaker 2 (01:50:20):
You're the winner right at number 5.
You guessed that, spot on.
See, you get an algorithm inyour head right.

Speaker 1 (01:50:29):
I'm seeing how they're moving.

Speaker 2 (01:50:31):
Yeah, I'm a big fan of this next album, but I don't
think it should be like.

Speaker 1 (01:50:35):
Call Me If you Get Lost does deserve a lot of
praise.
I don't know if it deservesnumber five out of 50 albums in
the last five years.

Speaker 2 (01:50:43):
No, yeah, it's a good album, but I don't think it's
that good Top 20.
The JID Forever Story.

Speaker 1 (01:50:54):
I like that it made the list, because it deserved to
make the list.
I'll tell you it's 27.
Three, it's way too high.

Speaker 2 (01:51:03):
It's a great album, but it's not that great.

Speaker 1 (01:51:05):
I gave it a four and a half, but it doesn't deserve
to be three.
Yeah, hold on.

Speaker 2 (01:51:13):
We were really high on.

Speaker 1 (01:51:15):
Doji's album.
Oh, go ahead.
What's number two If that'snumber three?

Speaker 2 (01:51:20):
Hold on, we were really how Dochi's out, what's
number two?

Speaker 1 (01:51:22):
If that's number three, your favorite album, mr
Morales?
Morales number two, playboy,cardi's number one and then
JID's number three.
How can they come like okay,they picked two terrible albums
for one and two and then theywent to a really good album.

Speaker 2 (01:51:38):
Now Tyler's on here twice.
Chromacopia is number 26.

Speaker 1 (01:51:44):
Chromacopia is not good enough to be on here, but
if it is, it'd be like literallyone of the last five albums to
make it.

Speaker 2 (01:51:51):
So Dochi has made waves.
She's had the impact.
We were high on her album.
You and Andrew did a dope showon Dochi.
Where do you think AlligatorBites Never Heal landed?

Speaker 1 (01:52:02):
10.
28.
I like that.
It made the list though.

Speaker 2 (01:52:07):
Yeah, j Cole to offseason.
Where would you think thatlanded?
Off this list, number 41.
Okay, off this list, number 41.
Okay, a couple notable ones,then we'll slide up out of here
Drake and 21 Savage her loss.
What do you think?

Speaker 1 (01:52:26):
Shouldn't be on this list either, but it's probably
at 22.

Speaker 2 (01:52:31):
It almost didn't make it 47.
Okay, we got some sense.
Travis Scott Utopia that madethe list.
It did 39.
Barely 49.

Speaker 1 (01:52:46):
Good.

Speaker 2 (01:52:47):
It's terrible.
Oh no, I got one for you.
I got one for you In the early2020s and you wrote an article
on this piece.

Speaker 1 (01:52:57):
A written testimony actually, I do think that
deserves to be on this list, andI will tell you that it's at 40
damn Coop.

Speaker 2 (01:53:11):
You're good, you got it.
40 on the money.
You got two right on the money.
You got JLX right on the money.
Call me if you get 40 on themoney.
You got two right on the money.
You got JLX right on the money,you got Call Me If you Get Lost
right on the money.
But yeah, go over to Hot NewHip Hop.
Check out that list.
Salute to them.
I don't know why Coop calledy'all.

Speaker 1 (01:53:29):
Even if he doesn't agree with us.
I'm sorry for calling y'allwhack.
I don't know who y'all are.

Speaker 2 (01:53:35):
I invite you.
You were just saying shit.

Speaker 1 (01:53:41):
I told everybody the gloves is coming off in 2025.
Nobody's safe.
Hot new hip hop.
I'm going to come up with mylist and I'm going to challenge
you to a duel of the Iron Mike.
You're going to take this dueland whoever- loses is going to
have to get open hand slapped.
You're gonna take this duel andwhoever loses is gonna have to
get open hand slapped in frontof their YouTube audience.

Speaker 2 (01:54:02):
Yeah speaking of hip hop platforms.
Before we get up out of here,there's just one thing I want to
speak to real quick.
Tomorrow, april 11th, will beour one year anniversary that we
have been on YouTube as far asthe Hip Hop Talks brand and

(01:54:22):
platform.
So I just want to thankeverybody out there everybody in
the chat, everybody in ourDiscord for coming on this ride
with us, you know, forsupporting us.
We appreciate you all, the teamout there.
You know who you are.
You know Ep L.
Appreciate you all, the teamout there um, you know who you
are.
You know ep lb, iran jack, likeyou know everybody.
You know I'm saying salute toy'all.

(01:54:42):
Um, we're you would.
You would think.
You know we got over 2 000 subsfor a year and I'm grateful and
I think we're blessed because Idon't think a lot of
independent you know, grassrootspods get over 2000 subs in one

(01:55:02):
year, real, organically, likethat.
But you know, coop, you was inthe space Early on.
We had this conversation behindthe scenes, you know, saying
like you came into it in 2020.
Behind the scenes, you knowwhat I'm saying Like you came
into it in 2020.
And what I told you was a lotof pods had their comeuppance
and they blew up during thattimeframe, during the COVID year

(01:55:22):
, because everybody, frankly,was at home with nothing to do.
You know what I'm saying Justsitting around.
You know what I'm saying,watching and subscribing to
YouTube videos.
But you know I will saysomething that I'm proud of in
this space, we come along and,frankly, in a rap, hip hop
podcast space, that's all butdried up and it's oversaturated,

(01:55:43):
and I feel like we've made amark in a short amount of time
with our 2000 subs and just ayear's time.
So I appreciate everybody.
And if you're somebody whobelieves that we should be
growing beyond that, that weshould be bigger than what we
are, then you need to take footto pavement and like, share and

(01:56:04):
subscribe with people, tell afriend to tell a friend to sift
through everything else, to comepull up on us.
But I just wanted to say, likeyou know, being a part of the
hip hop talks team, I'm gratefuland you know we'll talk more
about this.
Uh, we can wax poetic when Seanis on here, cause I don't want
to delve in too much without himhere.
But you know, I just want tosay like I appreciate everybody

(01:56:26):
that's been on this ride with usfor a year.
You know what I'm saying, umsuper humbled and super grateful
.

Speaker 1 (01:56:38):
It seems crazy I have .
I've been a lot, I've beenthrough a lot personally behind
the scenes in this space.
The five years that I've beendoing this, this place has been
a safe haven for me, for me, andI think that one of the things

(01:57:02):
that you know a lot of shit thathappened was supposed to happen
a long time ago.
It was just a safe haven for mebecause I didn't have another
safe place to land to do whatI'm passionate about and what I
love to do, and so what Hip HopTalks, and so what Hip Hop Talks
?
What you all offered me was asafe landing space.
So I really was comfortablewith leaving my situation

(01:57:22):
because I had somewhere safe toland and continue to do what it
is that I love to do, and so I'mthankful for that.
I'm humbled by that.
You know this past year hasprobably been one of the more
bigger life changing years forme.
You know this past year hasprobably been one of the more
bigger life-changing years forme.

(01:57:43):
I'm thankful that the changesthat have happened for me behind
the scenes have occurred, withyou and Sean and Andrew and Taj
behind me because of that, andso really thankful and humbled
to be here.
I actually am one of thosepeople that would like to run
the numbers up more, but that'sjust because I'm a hustler like

(01:58:05):
that.
I like to put numbers on theboard.
But I'm happy with what we'vedone and what we've contributed
to the space.
When people really hit me upand talk about what we've done
and what we are doing for theculture, that still does mean

(01:58:26):
something to me, even after fiveyears of doing it.
What you and Sean have going onwith Stoop Stories is great.
What Andrew and I have going onwith mirror music is great.
I'm about to ask for a very,very big favor to get unwrapped
with Coop.
Start off claiming and prayingthat it will be great and feel

(01:58:46):
happy to be in this space.
So you know, shout out to usfor a year, shout out to how it
all came together, and peace andblessings to everybody in the
chat.

Speaker 2 (01:58:56):
So thank you, wax poetic, man, and shout out, you
know, uh to sean.
Once again, our prayers are uhwith you, thoughts are with you
and your family.
And you know, when he joined usagain we'll wax poetic more
about our anniversary and howyou know everything kind of came
together, how we became thedream team, so you know, but uh,
we probably got to slide up outof here because the homie

(01:59:18):
andrew, you know saying yougotta.
You know gotta hit the bed.
You know gotta teach the, teachthe youth in the morning.
So we appreciate y'all forpulling up uh like share,
subscribe to the channel.
You know, tell a friend to tella friend.
You know, if you're not yet andthey're the realest in the
space, tell them to come hollerat us.

(01:59:39):
We'll see y'all again next week, peace.

Speaker 1 (01:59:43):
You better tell them.
I kick rhymes from theCerebellum.

Speaker 2 (01:59:50):
Peace y'all.

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