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Speaker 1 (00:03):
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(00:43):
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Speaker 3 (00:59):
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College Park, van Hill Campus inMarietta, stockbridge,
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Speaker 2 (01:21):
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I'm on the road again.
You can find me nowhere, I'm onthe road again.

Speaker 1 (01:25):
When.

Speaker 2 (01:25):
Kappa said check button, he said DC check button.

Speaker 1 (01:31):
Classic album.
Shout out to Kappa.

Speaker 3 (01:35):
Oh god, we're going to get Coop started early.
Is that what we're doing?
No, no, no, cut me off.
That's what we're doing.
Cut me off.
I don't want to be a part ofthat.

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Speaker 1 (02:36):
That would be dope.
That would be a nice Fridaysurprise right there.

Speaker 3 (02:43):
I want a different nice Friday surprise, but that's
not for the air.
Different Friday surprise,right there.

Speaker 2 (02:45):
I want a different nice Friday surprise, but that's
not for the air.
Different Friday surprise it'sa blue shoe.
You're happy.

Speaker 3 (02:54):
Head in the mold.
Head in the mold.

Speaker 1 (02:58):
So what's first on the docket tonight?
Fellas, what we got up first.
You want to talk about newmusic.

Speaker 2 (03:04):
Yeah, let's talk about new music.
We got a super chat at the game, so let's get this super chat
real quick, no doubt no doubt,let's see CJ the Kid.

Speaker 1 (03:12):
Shout out to the homie CJ with the $5 super chat.
Hey guys, how is everything?
Hope you guys are doing well,staying healthy Prayer hands.
Yo appreciate the love, CJ,Definitely.
Thank you for keeping us in ourprayers.
You know some of us right nowcan definitely use them.
Real talk, Thank you.

Speaker 3 (03:34):
Appreciate you, CJ.
Where are we at?
So we got new music, fellas.
What y'all think of that newsexy red in Bruno Mars Trash?

Speaker 2 (03:43):
Trash AG Trash.

Speaker 1 (03:49):
Trash.
It's ratchet trash, guess what?

Speaker 3 (03:53):
Hold on, we're three for three with the trash.
I got culturally appropriatedtrash, trash all around, because
Bruno's on the track Now withBruno Mars talking about
throwing up gang signs.
He was talking about throwingup gang signs.
I said that's appropriation ofour culture and I'm out on this

(04:16):
motherfucker again Trash.

Speaker 1 (04:18):
He was talking about throwing something else up on
the track too, but yeah, thatwas wild.

Speaker 3 (04:23):
Nobody will.
Bruno's not about this wild.
Bruno's not about this life.
Alright, Bruno's not about thislife.
He can wear all the Versaceshirts and throw them all.
Yo, Sean with the crazythumbnails, that's wild.
He can ride in all theCadillacs, throw up all the sets
.
He can do all that shit.
Alright, it ain't gonna matter.

Speaker 2 (04:44):
It's a caricature, man.
It's a caricature of himself.
He's a culture vulture.
I said it a long time ago, man,this is bad, me too.

Speaker 3 (04:52):
You and me had that conversation when we first
talked, sean, we did Y'alldidn't mess with Tilt-Sonic,
though Tilt-Sonic was kind oftough.

Speaker 4 (05:02):
Y'all it was kind of tough.

Speaker 3 (05:04):
Okay, so here's the thing, ag, he's been so bad at
the appropriation that althoughI know how great the music that
album sounds, I can't get pastthe appropriation at this point.
It's been so embedded for mehere so long.
By the time Silk Soda camealong, the first conversation

(05:24):
Sean and I had, sean and Italked for like three or four
hours and this was years ago now, but we ended up on Bruno.
Me and Sean spent about 30minutes on Bruno and just like
no, no, no, I'll keep game likeway back when and so when you
keep game way back, when it'sjust hard to digest the product

(05:44):
after that.
I love Silk Sonic sonicallyspeaking, but I can't sit down
and enjoy it because I knowwho's singing the records and
what his songwriters and histeams do culturally speaking to
our people.
How about this?
He got a lot of records thatChris Brown and Usher really
should have, but I'm going tosay less.

Speaker 1 (06:06):
Well, I ain't going to hold you but having a
half-hour conversation aboutBruno Mars' nasty work, so we
can go on to the next song.

Speaker 3 (06:15):
Just more about the appropriation.

Speaker 2 (06:16):
Go to the next song, please, let's talk this shit man
, this dude, man Wild.
So shout out to man, shout outto our chat.
We had someone hit the chatearly, early A-Dub.
He asked us to tap in to KingLowe's LA Lakers freestyle.

(06:39):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (06:40):
Hold on, sean, you mind if I say something right
quick.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, LA Leaguersis the new funk flex.
Like for like people in ourgeneration who don't know.
Right, like going to LALeaguers, like going to Leaguers
now is like going to Flex, liketo drop a bomb.
You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 2 (07:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (07:02):
So this is.

Speaker 2 (07:04):
Yeah, he killed it.
So shout out to again man.
Shout out to our chat.
It was A-Dub.
Shout out to A-Dub man forthrowing that alley-oop to us
early, early today, before theshow even started.
He was in the chat early.
He said yo, y'all need to checkthat out, you need to check
that out.
And um, yo, it was superb.
It was superb.

(07:24):
Um, shout out to Adel forgiving us that lead up.

Speaker 1 (07:28):
Yeah, let's, let's stay right here for a minute,
like it wasn't just a run of themill freestyle, bro.
Bro went crazy, like you know.
I mean for a long time it wasdamn near 20 minutes.
Um, you, you know, he went overuh, um, the tell me joint,

(07:50):
incarcerated, scar faces, andthen the um, uh, the ugk and
outcast was um, internationalplayers anthem.
Right, listen, that story hetold on the first joint.
You know I'm saying the firstpart of the freestyle was crazy,
crazy storytelling.
And then into the second jointand he said it was a real story.
You, and then into the secondjoint and he said it was a real
story.
The way he wove that togetherwas just immaculate.

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And then by the time he gets tothe end, to an international
player's anthem freestyle, thewhole scheme that he did about
the Zodiac signs.

Speaker 3 (08:21):
That was pretty cold.
So I'll tell you what AG.
Here's what I thought and Iwant to.
That was pretty cold.
I did and here's what I said.

(08:41):
I said to myself well, he'scannabis in a good way.
I hope he's not cannabis in abad way.
You feel what I'm saying when Isay that, yes, I hope, I hope
he remains to be cannabis in agood way and not cannabis in a
bad way.
And then I don't mind this shitand it's super dope what he did
.
But at the end of the day and Imay have to get off, but y'all

(09:05):
are going to talk about this toothe album making process is the
separator, guys like it's theseparator, the voice in the
album making process.
For me, with the MC, is theseparating process.
What separates Nas from BlackThought is the voice and the

(09:27):
album making process.
It is.

Speaker 1 (09:30):
It is yeah, and if you look, at a lot of it.

Speaker 3 (09:34):
That's what it's about, and so when I hear his
voice and I hear his rhymes, hegives me cannabis vibes and that
makes me worry for him, quitefrankly, because that means he
may not get what he deserves ifhe don't make the album that
reflects that.
What do you?

Speaker 1 (09:48):
say to that I can see what you're saying.
Shout out to Baltimore.
By the way, King Lo's fromBaltimore.

Speaker 3 (09:57):
He's nice on the mic.
Though he's nice on the mic.

Speaker 1 (10:00):
The way he weaves together the storytelling.
I don't want to say I see whereyou're coming from, but
cannabis was more over your headwith it.
King Los is more intricate andthe thing about cannabis that
didn't translate to what you'retalking about.
Like tracks and album making,and one of my friends was like a

(10:21):
diehard cannabis fan like inreal time Cannabis was his
favorite rapper, but he was realobjective.
He said the only thing thatcannabis has wrong with them is
you can cut and paste everyrhyme he does, because
everything sounds like a battlerap.

(10:42):
Like everything you can reallylike, you know what I'm saying.
No matter what feature he's on,no matter what the story
subject matter is the topic onthe track, cannabis always
sounds like he's battle rappingsomeone.

Speaker 3 (10:55):
He always attacking, right.
I was about to say I thinkthat's I.
I get what you're saying.
I don't totally agree with thatbecause here's what I feel like
I feel like on his album and onhis projects he has tried to
step out of that sphere and itis not going well, no, and so

(11:16):
you kind of stick to what you do.
Well, if that's what you do,we're going to kind of talk
about this later with theDiscord dialogue with some of
the people that we're going totalk about.
It's like, well, really, whatthey suffered from was not doing
what they did.
Well, right, but we can havethat conversation later.
But I thought the freestyle waspretty exceptional.
Like we just talked about thebar work and the cadence and the

(11:39):
freestyle.
That's classic mixtape stuff.
But that's what I'm saying.
It's like classic mixtape stuff, you know, only takes you so
far with your legendary status.
It's like jeez, he don't justgot classic mixtapes, he got
classic albums.
Nipsey don't just got classicmixtapes, he got classic albums.
You feel me, yeah, so so thatmixtape shit, that mixtape flow

(12:00):
only goes, but so far.
But as far as, like on somerhyme shit going, gave you
shades of black.
Thought on flex yeah, albums.

Speaker 1 (12:07):
Albums are a separator, but a lot of people
who make classic albums can't goon a radio show and do that, so
oh, hell, no.

Speaker 3 (12:15):
But also, too, you have to ask yourself is that
what you want from them?
It's like.
It's like oh, is common gonnagive you that on a freestyle?
Hell, no, because, because.
Because it's because when helistens to something like that,
he's like I'm putting that shiton my album right, right,
sometimes it's about what youchoose to give the people like.

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There is a part of me thatlistened to that ag and sean and
felt, like yo, he might havegiven us a little bit too much.
That like ag, the first set ofbars, that's album heat.
That's Kendrick Lamar albumcontent heat.

Speaker 1 (12:50):
Yeah, those stories on the first two instrumentals
were album worthy.
But what I will say?
Let's be clear.
When we say freestyle,everybody knows when people go
up to radio stations they haveriddance prepared.
But just to top it all off, atthe end of the session session
you know what I'm saying he hadword call outs and was doing
legit off the top of the domefreestyle.

Speaker 3 (13:09):
So he did some real freestyle at the end.
Think about this.
This is why the album makingprocess is such a separator.
Think about where we would haveKane ranked if he had a
Kendrick like catalog.
We would be having goat talk.

Speaker 1 (13:26):
People got Kane top ten anyway.

Speaker 3 (13:29):
That's what I'm saying.
He's already up there.
Imagine where he would be withKendrick's catalog.
That's what I'm talking about,the album separated being the
thing.
If Kane has Kendrick's catalog,Kane's the goat guys.

Speaker 1 (13:40):
He's up there.

Speaker 3 (13:42):
Think about it, because you've got to think
about the fact that it's like,oh no well, the live show, the
voice, the delivery, the flow,the cadence, the dance moves and
the albums to go with it, andyeah, kane has one classic album
, but that just shows you howclassic that album is as a buy
in like with his ranking, but ifKane has three or four, we

(14:06):
having goat talk.

Speaker 1 (14:07):
That's what I'm saying, absolutely.

Speaker 3 (14:09):
So them albums matter .
So as much as I love the KingLoves Freestyle, I'm like, okay,
do that on an album now, sinceyou gave me album material on a
freestyle on LA Leaguers.

Speaker 2 (14:18):
Yeah, it's the production.
That's what happened toCannabis.
It's hard to find the rightlayer and musical palette to
chase that kind of cadence ofrap, because even when he
switched it up and went to adifferent palette of music, it
still wasn't hitting.
It wasn't hitting, it's off.

(14:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (14:46):
AJ, we got some more.
I mean, we can blame Wyclef andwe'll talk about this later,
soon.
I think you know there's levelsto be thinking too, fellas, you
know what I'm saying.
Some guys got a ear for it,some people don't.
Like I know this chick, youknow what I'm saying.
Like she's a hairstylist.

(15:06):
She runs her own couple ofsalons down here, but she used
to be back in Miami back in theday running with a lot of the
major football players and likemusic people and every time I'm
around her her ear for musicshe's always like I miss my
calling.
I should have been a and I'mlike you should have been,

(15:28):
because every time I hop in thewhip with her, anything that
she's ever played for me overthe years has always been like
the next and it's like somepeople just got a better ear for
music than others.
So some of what, like some ofthe, the best lyricists do
suffer from is the is the badbeat picker syndrome, and I'm
not talking about nas when I'msaying that.

Speaker 2 (15:38):
He's actually the antithesis to that yeah, or some
direction, direction in thestudio we'll get to some of the
super chats real quick.

Speaker 1 (15:50):
Shout out to cj the kid again with the five hour
super chat.
Appreciate you, sean.
Can you tell them how umdisgusted you are with razzcast
involvement, because that shitwas funny.
Oh, you, you talking about Seanin the Discord?
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (16:04):
Sean ain't gonna speak on it.

Speaker 1 (16:09):
Yo, ill Magic, appreciate you.
With the $2 super chat, I wishwe could see Doc do a new
freestyle on 106.
Yeah, I don't know if I thinkHenderson got to that level
where you know what I'm sayinghe won't be popping up on no
radio shows doing any morefreestyles.
I think thatrickson got to thatlevel where he won't be popping
up on no radio shows doing anymore freestyles.
I think that's passed.
But for the sentiment, though,I do miss 106 apart, though I

(16:32):
mean, he's not talking about 106apart, he's talking about power
106, right.

Speaker 3 (16:36):
No, okay, probably power 106.
Same difference in a lot ofways.
All right, fellas.

Speaker 2 (16:46):
Let's go to Will Smith.
Will Smith and Big Sean.

Speaker 3 (16:52):
Big Sean and Big Willie fellas, Big Sean and Big.

Speaker 2 (16:55):
Willie, that's crazy, that shit.
Look, corny, I ain't gonna lie.
I ain't gonna lie that shit'sterrible.

Speaker 3 (17:04):
That's Big Sean, it's Lil Sean, hey you.
So hold on.
I'm going to tell you my firsttake.
It's obvious that Sean wrotethis whole song.

Speaker 4 (17:15):
Yes, it's obvious.

Speaker 3 (17:18):
These are Sean's bars .
So Will Smith is willing to paytop dollar.
That's what I thought I waslike.

(17:39):
Will Smith is willing to paytop dollar.
That's what I thought I waslike.
Will Smith is willing to paytop dollar Because this is
definitely Big Sean's song.
Will Smith is definitely likeyou know what I'm saying
purchased off.
This is why Sean is where theupper echelon rapper for this
era kind of like stops andstarts, because he's big enough
to pull in a Will Smith to writefor and help do records with.
You get what I'm saying.
Like he's on Will Smith's radar.
Yeah, you feel me.

(18:00):
Yeah, like Will know who Seanis and fuck with Sean.
He's just that big enough of asuperstar as an artist that
somebody like Will Smith willreach out to him in this era,
very much like he reached out toAnaz once upon a time.
You get what I'm saying.
So a record like this lets meknow that Sean is highly

(18:24):
regarded, actually, I ain'twriting no bars for will.

Speaker 1 (18:28):
If you know I'm saying since philly in the super
bowl instead of detroit, I'mpissed about, I'm like.
Will you write your own boys?

Speaker 3 (18:35):
okay, that's funny.
Detroit just wasn't healthydetroit, detroit, detroit will
be there next year if they'rehealthy detroit will be
representing fc in the superbowl next year, if they're
healthy.
Nah, he lost too much the NFCin the Super Bowl next year if
they're healthy.

Speaker 2 (18:45):
Nah, they lost too much.

Speaker 1 (18:46):
But shout out for Will for mimicking the flow.
He did a good job mimickingSean's flow.

Speaker 3 (18:53):
And that's the problem Classically trained
rapper.

Speaker 2 (18:55):
He's a classically trained rapper, yes, he is, I
want to hear Sean's thoughts,and that's the problem.
This song's actually a dopesong.
It's actually really a dopesong.
And even if Big Sean wrote forWill which more likely he did
Will outdid Sean in the categoryof stealing the show and having

(19:16):
panache and having that extraoomph in the way he's rhyming,
in the way he's delivering, he'sbeat them out and that's the
thing that's holding Big Seanback His delivery or his ability
to keep us in there.
Pause.

Speaker 3 (19:33):
Hold on, hold on, sean.
Are you sure that's not thiship-hop culture underrating Will
Smith, like I've been sayingthe entirety of this time that
I've been doing podcasts?
Are you sure it's not WillSmith?
No, you went too far with it,though.
You went a little too far.
Hold on, hold on, hold on, holdon, hold on.
Are you sure that Sean's notrated properly and we're just

(19:54):
underrating what Will Smith iscapable of?

Speaker 1 (19:57):
Are you sure?
Nah, I think Will's where heneeds to be.

Speaker 2 (20:00):
He's where he needs to be.
Absolutely, is Will Smith a top100?
Rapper on the time team.
Yes, will might be top 50.
He might be somewhere in the 50, 50, 75 mark.
You can't take away from Will.
He can't do that.
You can't do that.
Ag Will is a talent, he's atalent.

(20:22):
Don't do that.

Speaker 1 (20:23):
I'm going to stay quiet on this one man I love
Will man, will Top 5.

Speaker 3 (20:29):
He would be somewhere between 60 to 100, but he would
be on my list.
60 to 100, but on the list.

Speaker 2 (20:35):
Yeah, he's up there.

Speaker 3 (20:37):
He's up there.
He's got a great rap voice guys.

Speaker 1 (20:41):
He's got a great rap voice.
That part is true.

Speaker 3 (20:43):
That part is true he's got a great rap voice.
He always has.
He was a rapper voice.
Part of what got him intoacting was his voice.
People was like man, that's agreat voice.
That voice would be great onthe big screen.

Speaker 1 (20:59):
I'm going to just say he chose the right career path.
At the end of the day, he's amuch better actor than he's a
rapper oh yeah, because he's oneof the best.

Speaker 3 (21:06):
because, how about this?
Because he's one of the betteractors of all time and of his
generation.
In terms of better rappers ofhis generation, well, he has
Slick Rick and Chuck B and Kaneand Rock M and Kane.
So, no, only because he hasthose guys.

Speaker 1 (21:22):
And that's no disrespect to Will.

Speaker 2 (21:27):
I grew up on Will.
No, no, not at all.
Not at all.
Will is hip-hop.
Will is hip-hop yeah.

Speaker 3 (21:34):
Motherfucker, you, motherfucker, you get pulled
over Coop.
No, the emergency unit just dida whole stop on the side of the
road and didn't even use theirsignal.
How the fuck are you going tobe the emergency unit?
I'm literally in the middle ofdowntown Atlanta right now and
the emergency unit just didn'tuse their signal to get over and
almost caused an accident.
I can't with these niggas.
I can't with these niggas.

(21:54):
I thought he was going to pullit over.

Speaker 2 (21:58):
I was literally passing.

Speaker 3 (21:59):
MLK's house.
I'm literally passing MLK'shouse right now.
I'm in the middle of downtownAtlanta.
This is some motherfuckingbullshit.

Speaker 1 (22:08):
All right, we've had a road rage where hip hop talks
is crazy.

Speaker 2 (22:11):
Yeah, I was hoping he was getting pulled over.
Honestly, I was like he's adisaster, Get on the ground.

Speaker 3 (22:17):
Get on the ground.

Speaker 1 (22:22):
Yo, speaking of new music, though, we've had the
pleasure of getting a sneakpreview of the homie I am god's
new upcoming project called cityof god.
It's on the way, heard eighttracks from it.
You know, I'm saying and if I'mnot mistaken the producers you
know doing the tracks is namedcity, and I will say this, I've
ran through the tracks.
Is named Stitty and I will saythis.

(22:45):
I've ran through the trackstwice and this is not hyperbole
because he's the homie orwhatever, not gassing, none of
that.
He's elevating it on thisproject.
The breath control, the pocketthat he's in, switching gears
with the flow, like theversatility, everything he's

(23:05):
doing on each of, with the flow,like the versatility,
everything he's doing on each ofthe different tracks is just
bananas, like he's really in apocket that he wasn't in on the
last album, and the last albumthe bar was high because it was
fire, but he's doing things onthis new upcoming project that
he wasn't doing on the last one.
I can hear the elevation andyou know, be on the lookout for
that.
It's fine, yo, shout out to IAm God, appreciate you sending

(23:26):
the tracks over for a preview,an early look at that you know
what I'm saying yeah, Fine so.

Speaker 2 (23:36):
Sean go ahead.
No go ahead, go ahead.

Speaker 3 (23:43):
He's just the best MC I've heard since I've been
doing this podcast.
As far as people that I hadn'theard before, it just is what it
is.
As far as people like I've,literally March I believe March
14th of this year will make fiveyears that I've been in this
space.
Guys, he's the best MC thatI've heard during that time and
every time I hear him he getsbetter.

(24:05):
Ag, you are right.
The pocket of flows that he ischoosing on this album.
If you are familiar with himand know his rap style, watching
him choose these pocket offlows instead of doing it when
he has a solid formula ofworking.
I don't want to overstate thisbecause I'm not saying it's that

(24:29):
.
Oh, the songs on ReasonableDoubt are better.
But I keep telling people giveme 97-0 because of what he did
with his flow in relationship tothe quality of the material.
It's like oh no.
I know that five of Jay's tenbest songs are in reasonable
doubt, but oh no, there's aboutyou can make an argument.
The other five are on volumeone because the flow is just so

(24:52):
fucking sick and his flow onhere is ridiculous.
And this is without us having amix or a mastered version.
I'm going to tell you one moretime, like it was told to me oh,

(25:12):
the best moment of my life waswhen a signed rap artist sat in
my car and listened to my shitand said I'll take you anywhere,
to any label, to any studio.
And that's how I feel everytime I hear I am God, I'm like I
will take this nigga to anystudio.
I will take this nigga to anystudio.
I will take this nigga to anylabel on any coast, at any time
and be completely comfortablewith the co-sign.
He is one of the best rap MCsout here today.

(25:33):
I don't even talk aboutindependent, known, unknown,
signed, unsigned.
He's one of the nicest niggasout here.
I used to fucking rap.
The shit that he is doing ishard to do.
It is hard to do.

Speaker 1 (25:45):
It is hard to do.
Big facts, big facts you got achance to take it out of your
song.

Speaker 3 (25:52):
You're about to be super impressed with this
project.
People, when you hear it,Mm-hmm I don't know what I just
said.

Speaker 2 (25:59):
He's rapping, rapping on this joint man.
It seems like he figured outthe proper production to go
along with his style.
Like the last album, I feltthat he was getting there.
This one, it's like one of thethings where, okay, I know who I
am.
I know what this productionmeans to me when I do with it,
and he did everything he didwith it.

(26:21):
Honestly, shit man.
I'd be happy to get him on hereso we can talk about it,
because we talked about it justnow, about finding the right
production for your cadence, foryour voice, for your style, for
your delivery, all of that.
And this was the properproduction for everything that
he does with it.

Speaker 1 (26:41):
I'm glad you brought the production up, sean, because
when I heard it I was thinkingeerie, like conductor sounding
style beats but withhard-hitting drums.
But what I Am God is doing overthe tracks is so effortless
he's going in and out of hisregular flow to sniping.
You know, in Chicago they callthat you know what I'm saying

(27:02):
that double-time flow sniping.
But he's just doing it like soeffortlessly and smooth, weaving
in and out of different flowpatterns and pockets.
You know, on these dope hardhitting beats and I'm just like
that might be, you know lowerBPMs but it just sounds smooth
with the sniping over.
It's a great contrast, but youknow it works, like you just
have to hear it.
Great contrast, but it works,you just have to hear it.

(27:24):
So I'm excited for the projectto come out and other people to
hear it, because it was asurprise to me when he hit us
with it.
So I really appreciate that.

Speaker 3 (27:34):
Are y'all familiar with the movie the Quick and the
Dead With Sharon Stone and GeneHackman and Leonardo DiCaprio?
You know when Gene Hackmantalks about I always wanted to
fight you, it excites me.
Yeah, if you've ever emceed,that's how you feel when I Am.
God is rapping.
He's one of those guys.

(27:55):
He excites you Like hold on.
It's like, oh, you want to rapnigga.
Like he makes you want to rap.
Like he brings out thecompetitive side in you.
If you ever MC'd, that is a rareability and quality to have to
be able to do that to otherartists.
When I listen to him, he's theonly artist that I've heard that
brings that out of me.
When I hear him, I'm like, ohno, it's like if he asked me to

(28:18):
jump on some shit, I will.
I want to rap with him.
You feel me, competitivelyspeaking, want to rap with him.
You feel me like, competitivelyspeaking, like in a healthy way
, in the way rap was intended.
So he's important to theculture, for the fabric, and I'm
seeing to me because he incitespeople to want to rap, who know
what rap looks like from theperspective of having done it.

Speaker 1 (28:36):
That's hard to do, yep and I like what he says too.
He calls himself the goat, theg-o-t-e, the greatest of this
era.
You know, know what I'm saying,and that speaks to what you
were saying, coop.

Speaker 3 (28:48):
Yeah, and if you're gonna call yourself I Am God,
you better be nice, you betterbe nice, you better be nice.
And he is First time I heardhim.
I was like this nigga better benice.
His name is I Am am god.
I was two tracks in.
I said this nigga is nice.

Speaker 1 (29:04):
keep this shit rolling yo shout out to I am god
man for real yeah, we gonnatalk to him soon.

Speaker 3 (29:12):
I got a video I gotta shoot for him and his peoples.

Speaker 1 (29:16):
You know what I'm saying but yeah, yeah, so that's
all we got on the new musicfront, right guys?

Speaker 2 (29:26):
let's get into some old music.
Let's do a quick shout toRoxanne Shante.

Speaker 1 (29:33):
Oh forgot about that.
Yeah, sir, go ahead.

Speaker 2 (29:39):
Roxanne Shante.
She got the lifetimeachievement award.
This is major because an emceea female emcee at that, who's
done so much for the culture ofhip-hop not just for women but
just for the culture of hip-hopbeing recognized by the Grammys
and her name is not a popularname amongst the pantheon of

(30:00):
women, and the fact that she wasable to get recognized and get
this nomination, you think aboutit.
We didn't talk about RoxanneShante out and being passed out
on her catalog.
We talked about the fact thatshe kicked in the door at the
age of 14, taking a UTA vote.
That's like that's theinception of who she is.

(30:24):
But the fact that Grammy wasable to go back and take a look
at that, look at her legacy as awhole and see her influence
Because her influence to me isbigger than the capital or the
music of women's stuff Just theinfluence itself gave birth to
MC Lyte.

(30:44):
The bigger names per se in realhip-hop, but the fact that she
was able to get recognized bythe Grammys and also get this
Lifetime Achievement Award, it'sa beautiful thing.
Queens get the money.
Shout-out to Lolita LolitaGooden, lolita Shante Gooden,
the legend man.

(31:04):
I'm happy for her man.
I'm happy for her.
I'm happy that she's gettingthis nod.
I'm happy she's getting herflowers.
And again, we don't say hername amongst the pantheon of
women in hip-hop, but the factthat she's actually getting this
nod, it's a beautiful thing.
So salute to the Grammys fordoing this, for the Lifetime
Achievement Award for MissChauncey.

Speaker 1 (31:23):
You said that eloquently, bro.
I don't have too much to add.
But we can take it beyond.
Just inspiring the women.
It's well documented that sheinspired Nas, who we feel like
is the greatest rapper of alltime.
So you know, it don't just haveto be limited to her

(31:44):
inspiration and hercontributions to female MCs.
We may not get Nas if shedoesn't challenge him to be the
MC that she knew he could be atan early age.
Shout out to Roxanne because,like Sean said, it's deeper than
rap.
It's deeper than the catalog.
Her inspiration span forgenerations in this rap stuff.

Speaker 2 (32:03):
Congratulations to Shante.
She's Nas or G, so that tellsyou a lot, right there right.

Speaker 3 (32:13):
Yep, I think in hip-hop terms I just want to
kind of leave it like right here.
This might be the mostimpressive thing I think the
Grammys have ever done.
I was super surprised.
I was like they know whoRoxanne Shantae is.
I'm like I was impressed by thecommittee for recognizing her.
Guys.
She's being honored with DrBobby Jones, prince and Frankie

(32:35):
Beverly.
That's a heavy list.
She on a hitter list.

Speaker 4 (32:42):
Prince Frankie Beverly Bobbythat's big time right.

Speaker 3 (32:51):
So like shout out.
Actually, you know, we givethem a lot of flack, give them a
lot of disrespect.
I know I've been extremelydisrespectful and I don't
apologize.
But when they do somethingright, with the same way that we
turn our nose up and turn ourfingers down, we need to give
them a round of applause.

(33:11):
When they get it right, andthey got it right this time,
it's a round of applause, youknow.

Speaker 2 (33:18):
Yeah, got you, got you.
She's a whole legend man, wholelegend, walking around here.

Speaker 1 (33:23):
Gotta on that salute that Present day she's an
educator, correct?

Speaker 2 (33:29):
She is.
She's actually on Rock theBells.
She has a show on Rock theBells.
I talked to her a few times.
She be dropping jewels and gems, man, yeah.

Speaker 3 (33:40):
She was always an educator.
She was always an educator.

Speaker 1 (33:44):
That's what I was going to get to, yeah.

Speaker 3 (33:46):
Yeah, it's just official now.
It's just official, yep.

Speaker 2 (33:52):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (33:54):
Yeah, man, I think we got a couple of music
anniversaries, fellas, I think.
The first one we have Is CampLowe's Uptown Saturday Night,
which was released January 28,1997.
Fellas, this is my freshmanyear of high school.
I think this might be, guys.

(34:15):
I think this might be the mostunderrated rap classic of all
time.
I think you can make anargument for it, because I don't
think it got classic statusuntil late after it came out.
I do think that the Source is3.5 mic rating for it, which was
completely off.
They missed a whole mic, but Ithink it might be the most

(34:35):
underrated rap album of all time, guys, how do you feel about
that?

Speaker 1 (34:41):
That's plausible.
I see your vision.
For me it's Do or Die.
I've always maintained thatthat's the most underrated
classic, but Neck and neck, neckand neck.
But yeah, uptown Saturday Night, man is crazy, luchini, like
you know what I'm saying,luchini, and the annals of
hip-hop is one of the greatesthip-hop songs of all time you

(35:01):
know what I'm saying Might betop what?
Definitely top 100, wouldn'tyou say?
Yeah, I think it's top 50.
It might be top 50.
It might be top 50.

Speaker 3 (35:11):
It's on the borderline, it's up there.

Speaker 1 (35:13):
Yeah, it's a special record.
Yeah and Hooli Ha, another dopejoint.
But one thing about it, man, Idon't know if a lot of people
talk about it, but for that era,sonny Tiba and Geechee Sway,
man, they had some of thesmoothest flows in the game.
Like you know what I'm saying.
Their flow patterns and stuffthat they used man was so

(35:34):
immaculate man, it was justsilky smooth man.
And I don't think nobody, whenwe're talking about you, know
the best flows of the 90s andthat era.
I think they get overlooked,both of them.
They both were up there, in myopinion, but this is definitely
a classic album.

Speaker 3 (35:51):
Sean, you want to wax ?

Speaker 2 (35:53):
I'm going to be honest.
Fellas, this is going to soundcrazy.
I wasn't feeling this when itcame out.
I'm going to be honest.

Speaker 1 (36:03):
Was it the production ?
In my opinion, he killed it.
It was everything.
I'll be honest Was it theproduction?
In my opinion, he killed it, itwas everything.

Speaker 2 (36:08):
I'll be honest.
This came out January 97, right, I was locked in with Gold
Space, iron man.
I was locked in with.
It Was Written Everything thatcame around for me.
I took a filter through thosethings to get to that, if I'm
being honest.
But I've heard Luchini.
I didn't like the beat.

(36:31):
I thought it was too noisy, Ithought it had too much going on
and I really again my ears.
I was Marissa, my ears are onWu.
I was on that Wu palette atthat time and then it was
written had just dropped overthe summer.
I couldn't get, I couldn't getthrough any of it.
I couldn't get around that toenjoy this in real time.

(36:54):
I had to go back to this acouple of years later to
understand why people was likereally, really, you know, giving
us so much love Because Icouldn't understand it in real
time.
I'll be honest with you.

Speaker 3 (37:07):
So, sean, what I'm going to tell you is that I
actually echo some of yoursentiments, because the same
thing happened to me, and thisis why having the OGs around you
is important.
Oh no, my cousin Six, who wasfour years older than me.
He swore by this album andevery time I hopped in the
fucking car with him it wasplaying, and so I couldn't avoid

(37:29):
it.
I couldn't avoid it, and oneday I can remember I forgot
where we were coming.
We were probably coming fromthe east side of Charlotte, off
Independence and North SharonAnthony, and headed back to West
Boulevard and we rode and itwas late.
He had bought a bottle ofMalibu and let me drink.
I'm like fucking 16, 15, 16years old, and I listened to

(37:51):
that shit and I'm like cuz.
I'm like this shit is great.
He's like, I know.
He's like.
I've been playing it for twomonths non-stop.
It's the first time your stupidass has said something about
the album, nigga.
So I was in the same boat asyou.
It's just my cousin, my cousinLike.
I thank him for all of my hiphop knowledge because he forced

(38:12):
everything down my throat, evenif I refuse to listen to it.
This is one of those albums andone day I popped up and
realized I was like this albumis fucking genius yeah, for real
.

Speaker 2 (38:22):
I had to go back.
Genius yeah, for real.
I have to go back to it, like Ihad to understand why people
was giving so much love to it.
I can't understand it.
No, it's like that I'msomewhere else.
The beats are crazy, sean.

Speaker 3 (38:32):
The beats are crazy.
It is AG to your Do or Diepoint.
The reason why I give CooleyHigh the edge over Do or Die is
because think about the threesingles from the album and you
tell me you did a better job atmaking the singles.
These guys actually were hitmakers Luchini, cooley High and
Uptown Saturday Night.

(38:52):
The record.
They had four records.
That shit was banging.

Speaker 1 (38:58):
I'm glad you brought up the singles Coop, because I
was going to bring up singles inanother conversation.
So it's a very important thingto talk about, especially when
we're talking about that era.
But, Sean, I was going to saythis like and I'm not trying to
be funny or nothing, but youknow I'm learning this about you
.
I think that's like the, theway you explained it.
I think that's a you thing, notmore so.

(39:20):
The album just not being it.
It seems like you know, when wetalk about these album
anniversaries, like once you'relocked in on something and
you're like really locked in,you don't really steer away from
that to tap into nothing else.
You might go back to it later,but once you're locked in with
one thing, you kind of like staythere in that wheelhouse,
correct, yeah?

Speaker 2 (39:39):
because music to me timestamps where I was mentally
right, where I was mentally,where I was, you know,
physically, whatever the casemay be, I can timestamp places
in my life on what I wasconsuming music-wise.
And when I think about thatyear 97, early 97, I was this
that was like the pivotal yearfor me in high school.

(40:01):
That's a pivotal year for me atthat time because I'm dead set
on for me at that time, becauseI'm dead set on Iron man at this
time, ghost.
At this point I'm thinking thatGhost in my mind, ghost is my
number two MC of all time.
You see what I'm saying.
So I'm still listening toeverything from Iron man.
I'm still listening to.

(40:22):
It Was Written, it's all infull rotation for me, Sean, can
I ask you a personal question?

Speaker 3 (40:28):
Just because you are such a big Ghost fan, how can
you be such a big Ghost fan andbe with the slanguistics like
that and not love what CampLowe's doing?
Lou Cheney is crazy.
How is the rap listener thatloves Ghost not attracted to
Camp Lowe?
Is the rap listener that lovesGhost not attracted to Camp Lowe
?
Because the rap listener and methat loves Ghost and Ray and

(40:50):
even Kappa guys is like oh no,Camp Lowe's from that same
linguistic tree.
It's just more uptown Harlemblaxploitation talk than that
grimy.

Speaker 1 (41:02):
Staten Island Well Ghost.
And Ray onimy, staten IslandWell Ghost.
And.

Speaker 3 (41:06):
Ray on some Staten Island Brooklyn shit Can't Blow
is definitely on some uptownHarlem shit.
For sure, to quote Capadonna,the slang editorial.

Speaker 2 (41:22):
Absolutely, but see Koopi in real time.
I didn't even know that youmade me worry when I said slang
editorial.

Speaker 3 (41:26):
Absolutely, but see Coopie in real time.
I didn't know that Just sayingslang editorial made the car
drift to the right.
That's a dope quote, slangeditorial.

Speaker 2 (41:38):
But see Coop, that's the thing.
I didn't give it a chance.
I didn't give it a chance, Ididn't know all of those things
until like a year later.
Because again, what else camein 97?
Jay came out in 97.
War Report came out in 97.

Speaker 3 (41:52):
Jay Rakim the Firm Puff Wyclef Voo.

Speaker 1 (42:00):
But look, though, to y'all's point.
That's why your inner circle isimportant.
Like Coop spoke to you knowwhat I'm saying his older cousin
, putting him on which I hadolder cousins as well, put me on
to certain things as well.
But my own age group and my owninner circle of friends, we
would divide and conquer.
I'm talking about like records.
Something was dropping.
Every week we would go to therecord store, and you know, we

(42:22):
had a little allowance in ourpart time jobs or what have you,
and we had so many money, butso much stuff was coming out.
We would divide and conquer.
We was like yo, these fivealbums drop.
I'm definitely paying my moneyon this one, but I'm kind of
iffy on this one.
You cop that one, we cop theMemorex.
You know I'm saying 90,.
You know I'm saying 120 minutejoints.

(42:44):
I'm a 90,.
You know what I'm saying 120minute joints.
I'm going to dub you this.
We'll swap.
You know you dub me that joint,and we can have all the albums
that come out at the same time,even if we only got enough money
to buy one album.
I'm going to the record storefive or six deep, and we each
pick up one joint, and all theother joints is getting dubbed.
That's how we wrote.
I'll tell you straight up.
I was on this album in realtime, but did I own the physical

(43:06):
copy of it?
No, I did not.
What I had was a dub.
But you know what I'm saying.
That's how I heard all themusic back then.
We divided and conquered.

Speaker 3 (43:17):
Hold on.
So AG is right.
So I want to piggyback off ofthat.
I never bought a Tupac orScarface or Wu-Tang album till
me and Six lived in separateplaces because he had all of
that shit already.
It's like what do I need to buya Tupac album for?
This nigga got a Tupac album.
I didn't have to buy Pac untilwe lived in separate hoods and
that was when All Eyes On Mecame out.

(43:38):
I was like I gotta go buy AllEyes On Me.
I said, because this thing ison West Boulevard and I'm on
Beatty's Ford, we did the Divideand Conquer shit too I would
intentionally not buy stuffbecause I knew he was going to
buy it.
I didn't need to go buy BoneAlbum, cuz was going to go buy
Bone Album, all thathieroglyphics and far side shit.
I never had to go buy thatstuff.
He was going to buy it.
I was like I'll just wait forthis nigga to.

(43:59):
We only 15 minutes away, westill on the west side, we in
the same hood, you know what I'msaying.
We just in different parts ofthe hood.

Speaker 2 (44:06):
Not my crew.

Speaker 3 (44:11):
We were all not as.

Speaker 2 (44:12):
God, that's that New York shit Peace.
God, that's how he was on manLike yo studying 120.

Speaker 1 (44:21):
Sean?
No, he ain't.
Sean was failing mathematics inthe 5% of the nation and in
school, sean was failingmathematics in the 5% of nation
and in school, sean was failingmathematics all the way around
oh man, you forgot.

Speaker 2 (44:30):
Wu-tang Forever came out that same year.
I'll be honest with you.

Speaker 3 (44:35):
Wu-Tang Forever is what had my attention that year.
But you gotta keep in mind thisis January.
This is six months beforeWu-Tang Forever.

Speaker 1 (44:42):
Wu came out towards the summer.
But again, when did?

Speaker 2 (44:44):
before Wu came out, towards the summer, yeah, but
again when Iron man came out.

Speaker 4 (44:49):
Yeah, iron Man's.

Speaker 2 (44:50):
August.

Speaker 3 (44:52):
Hold on Well, Iron Man's August 96.

Speaker 1 (44:55):
Because we live with albums longer.
So you're still playing Ironman early 97 for sure.

Speaker 3 (45:01):
Nigga, I played Iron man three weeks ago.

Speaker 4 (45:07):
I played Iron man three weeks ago, nigga, I played
Iron man three weeks ago.

Speaker 3 (45:09):
I played Supreme Clientele two days ago.
Nigga, we need to have a wholeSupreme Clientele conversation
soon.

Speaker 1 (45:17):
Why are we on Uptown Saturday night, though?
Are we going to have the Jayconversation?
I think that's necessary aroundthe album.

Speaker 3 (45:25):
We can go ahead and close it out with that.
I just I'm gonna let you takethat AG.
I just want to close out bysaying that this is a four and a
half Mike album.

Speaker 1 (45:34):
That's fair.

Speaker 3 (45:35):
Four and a half.

Speaker 1 (45:36):
That's fair, but it's a lot of four and a half Mike
albums that we call classics insome sense.

Speaker 3 (45:42):
You know what I'm saying so that's the thing.
So.
So for me, a class album don'tnecessarily need to be a five to
be a classic.
Because I could, I can go tosome of our best.
I'd like I can go to nwastraight out of compton and we
can start, you know, pickingnits and shit.
If that's what you really wantto do, at the end of the day, I
can go to get richard dine andpick some nits and be like, well
, that shit on the back end ofthe album is mixtape shit that

(46:02):
niggas in the street had alreadyheard.
So you know what I'm saying.
How are we going to give them afive?
Yeah, we're going to take thefive away because 50 put some
mixtape songs on there.
Like, really, that's what we'redoing.

Speaker 1 (46:11):
Yeah, If he was really plugged in.
I think you consider this aclassic.

Speaker 3 (46:19):
But you know, if you just say it, I'm mad at that.
When I listen to the beats andthe rhymes and the style and the
fact that you were about to waxpoetic about how they inspired
Jay-Z himself, it's hard for meto say that the album ain't a
motherfucking classic.

Speaker 1 (46:30):
AG, yeah, and the production was there.
You know Ski Beats did histhing.
And then Ski had the connectionwith Rockefeller and a lot of
people don't know.
You know fun fact, um Phil, funfact Filling it didn't make
that.
There was a version of Fillingit over, the Filling it beat
that was supposed to be for CampLow on that album and then Jay

(46:53):
ended up getting that beat fromSki and he ended up his whole
style on Filling it.
You know flow pattern,everything.
He kept the same hook, samebeat.
Shout out to Mecca on the hook,all that.
And he stole I think it wasGeechee Swayze's flow, I believe
on the fill in that recordStole his flow and kept it the

(47:15):
same.
And he wanted the Luchini beattoo, but Ski wouldn't give it up
.
He kept it for Camp Low.
And then the word is this isout of their mouth they said
that Jay offered seven grand forthe Luchini beat but Ski still
wouldn't even give it up to him.
But he did end up gettingfeeling it out of those sessions
and you can go on YouTube andlook it up.
But it's a version of feelingit that Camp Lowe had first and

(47:38):
Jay-Z used his flow style onthat.
It's not the first time that'shappened, but of course he did
so.
It's not the first time that'shappened, but of course he did
so.
Do you got anything to add to?

Speaker 3 (47:49):
that Sean no.

Speaker 4 (47:50):
No, no, no.

Speaker 3 (47:50):
Don't let Sean add the shit about Jay-Z.
We need the subscribers.
No, no, no.
We need the subscribers.
Don't let Sean add anything.
Sean's done, let's move to thenext topic no, no, no, let's go
to the Super Chats and let's goto the locks.

Speaker 4 (48:01):
We are the streets.
Please, let's not give sean anyjay-z airtime.

Speaker 1 (48:04):
We need not pull up the chat.
You see it.
Yo shout out to christopherhogan with the fly ball super
chat.
Appreciate you, um, let's seejamil.
Um nam x is another dopelyricist.
Y'all should tap in with neworleans in the building.
Salute y'all.
I hope I said that right,because I'm not familiar with

(48:25):
who that is.
You know who that is, sean.
You be on NL, okay.

Speaker 2 (48:30):
I just got back from the NL this morning.
I know who that is.

Speaker 1 (48:34):
How do you say that?

Speaker 2 (48:35):
Jameel Jameel, jameel Naeem.

Speaker 1 (48:38):
Naeem Na J-Mill Naimax.
Yeah, Okay, there's 007 pullingup.
Glad you're here, bro.
$2 Super Chat Queens get themoney.
That's for you, Sean.

Speaker 2 (48:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (48:49):
Double O.

Speaker 3 (48:50):
CJ the.

Speaker 1 (48:51):
Kid.

Speaker 4 (48:52):
Me and Double O about to link up again soon.

Speaker 1 (48:57):
It's about to be another extravaganza CJ the Kid
with the $5 Super Chat.
If Elliot Wilson gave me thatthree and a half mics, the more
reason not to trust him.
There's a lot of reasons not totrust Elliot.
Think about this man.

Speaker 4 (49:08):
Like think about this .
They gave an album with Luchiniand Cooley High on it Three and
a half.

Speaker 1 (49:14):
That's four right there.
But I don't think that wasElliot, though Elliot was XXL.
That was the source that gaveit a three and a half right.

Speaker 4 (49:21):
Oh right, right right , because XXL is 1997.
That is the startup, actually.

Speaker 3 (49:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (49:28):
LP.
Yo, shout out to LP Fivedollars.
Super chat.
Tommy was way more fly thanFedora's bell bottoms.
Ghosted Ray represented thestyle back then, way more than
Camp Low.
That was their main knock.
If you was a street dude youwas more into you know what I'm
saying Like the street where flytalk like Ghost and Ray was

(49:49):
doing.
Camp Low was on that fly stuffbut it was more so like that
player stuff.

Speaker 2 (49:53):
You know, we good, that was the last one AG.
Okay, all right, so we gotanother anniversary.
We are the streets.

Speaker 1 (50:11):
Yes, sir, Now I'm glad.
I'm glad that we just had thatconversation about can a four
and a half mic album beconsidered a classic?
Because I don't consider this afive mic album by any stretch
of the imagination, but for methis is a personal classic.

Speaker 4 (50:33):
I don't think it's a classic.
I said personal.

Speaker 1 (50:40):
I don't know where hip-hop holds it, but I have it
as a personal classic.

Speaker 4 (50:46):
They messed this one up too, because this is a four
instead of a three and a half tome.

Speaker 1 (50:51):
So you think the first one was a three and a half
.
Money Power Respect was a threeand a half.

Speaker 4 (50:57):
Might be a three First one might be a three Might
be a three.
I'm going to pick up the recordlike a living guy.

Speaker 1 (51:07):
I think this is a solid four and a half.
I give it a four and a half,Mike.

Speaker 2 (51:12):
I think I give it a four.
I'm not mad at a four.

Speaker 4 (51:16):
So you think Uptown Saturday Night and we Are, the
Streets are the same level.
Yeah, okay, see, I don't.

Speaker 1 (51:24):
I prefer to listen to .
We Are the Streets between thetwo, if I had to pick one I'm
picking.
We Are the Streets.

Speaker 4 (51:30):
I think the bar work is better, but the beats aren't
just there.
Like how about this?
When I look at a joint likeStyles on Felony you know what
I'm saying I'm like, oh no,styles is killing it.
That beat could have beenbetter, I agree.
Even hold on which one hasrecognized Styles is killing it.
That beat could have beenbetter, I agree.
Hold on which one has Recognize.
Recognize is Recognize.
The one.

Speaker 2 (51:49):
It's the one we Are the Streets.
Yeah, Recognize is in there.

Speaker 4 (51:52):
Preem.
That's not the first.
We need something better.
The first time that we hearPreem in the locks, beat-wise
from Preem, I'm just going tohold them to higher standards.

Speaker 1 (52:01):
How do y'all like Wild N' Out as a single?
I don't.

Speaker 2 (52:05):
I didn't like that.
I didn't like that.

Speaker 1 (52:10):
The club scene back then.
That song used to go crazy inthis club scene in 2000.
Oh yeah.

Speaker 4 (52:13):
Crazy Ride or Die should have been the lead single
.
It's just easy.
It would have went platinum.
They should have went and gotthe money.
Puff taught them how to get themoney.
They could have stayed with thestreet ethos and still got the
money, if you really want toknow.
If you really want to know thetruth.
The record that they reallyshould have dropped Is Breathe
Easy.

Speaker 1 (52:35):
That's my second favorite song on here.
Breathe Easy is crazy.
Breathe Easy is the best recordon there.
Can I Live is my third favorite, but my favorite easily Is F FU
Out the gate.
I think that's Swiss's bestperformance, beat-wise.

Speaker 2 (52:51):
Yes, yes, yes.

Speaker 1 (52:54):
And Bar Work what they're all three are doing on
there high level.
That's one of my favoritejoints to start off an album.
I know we talk about albumintros and whatever, but as soon
as you put that on and FU comeson, that's one of my favorite
starters to an album to kick itoff.

Speaker 2 (53:13):
It is From the hook to the bars the beat everything.

Speaker 4 (53:19):
I think it's a better album starter than it is
all-time great song, to behonest with you.
But I hear what you're sayingbecause, lyrically speaking,
that and Breathe Easy might bethe best tracks on there.
I don't love Swiss productionon this album, guys.

Speaker 3 (53:33):
I almost feel like this album to me feels like the
stuff that didn't make Flesh ofmy Flesh.

Speaker 1 (53:41):
It depends on where your expectations are for Swiss
work.
You know what I'm saying, Ithink.

Speaker 4 (53:47):
FU is the best that Swiss can do.
See, if that's the best thinghe can do, that's not good
enough for me.

Speaker 1 (53:53):
I don't hold Swiss up that high Swiss, not even
sniffing my top 10 producers.

Speaker 2 (53:58):
I think this is where we started seeing Swiss kind of
running his course Right here.

Speaker 4 (54:01):
I think you saw him running his course, I'll do that
right here, right here, secondfloor.

Speaker 2 (54:05):
I think you saw him running his course around this
album, tom Flay, you're right, fis probably one of his best
production-wise.

Speaker 4 (54:17):
Y'all saying that is frightening to me.
It's up there, it's up there.

Speaker 2 (54:24):
Yeah, we losing you, boo, we're not all right yeah,
cool, fading out yeah, I gottago peace of prayers, bro, yo,
prayers to the homie cool.

(54:45):
He got some things going on,that's why he was in route to
get to the hospital, but keepproving this family your prayers
and salute to that brothergoing through this challenging
time.
So again, you know, salute toCoop.
But yeah, man, I felt like thisalbum.
I don't know if I'd give it afour and a half AG.

(55:06):
I'd probably give it maybe afour, just because of the energy
around it.
I think the energy to me was thebiggest thing for the album to
me.
Um it just I just I rememberlistening, I remember reading
the actual uh, the report fromthe source and the source like,
really didn't like it.
They were saying it was toomuch focus on, uh, puffy, um,

(55:27):
and it was.
It was a lot of focus on Puffy,a lot of subs on this album,
subs on Puffy.
But overall I do think thatthis album to me it's one of I
think it's their best album,easily, easily right.
But again, I think this iswhere Swears was on his way,
kind of like hitting thatplateau around this album

(55:49):
timeframe, because Swears had apretty massive run.
You know he had a lot of hitsin the short span of time, but
it started running its course.
You started hearing therecycling of some of that
soundscape that he had, like hewasn't growing as a producer.
It was like a recycle period.

Speaker 1 (56:06):
Yeah, by 2002, this album comes out in 2000.
By 2002, swizz's signaturesound was obsolete.
By 2002, going into 2003.

Speaker 2 (56:16):
AJ, I think it was 2001.
I think 2001,.
Bro.

Speaker 1 (56:19):
He still was getting big placements in 2002, though,
you know what I'm saying, jayand Nas were still tapping into
him.
X, he was still getting looks.

Speaker 2 (56:30):
What was out there in 2002 from Swizz.

Speaker 1 (56:34):
If you're talking about singles, then no, but you
know what I mean.
He was still getting albumplacements.

Speaker 2 (56:39):
He had the General.
You know that wasn't.

Speaker 1 (56:42):
He had the Godson Bonus, jointthe GOD, and then on J-Joint he
had the Bonus, the bonus trackon the blueprint 2.1, to stop
him.
These are bonus tracks butstill yet they still calling his
number.

Speaker 2 (57:00):
You know what I mean yeah, I mean, I don't know, man,
I just think that he was hit ormiss at that time because,
remember, he started going intoa whole different path.
He dropped his own album.
He had like the swiss jointsand he started for um, yeah,
cassidy he has.

Speaker 1 (57:15):
Oh yeah, see, yeah, he was still.
You know what I mean thecassidy joint, yep hotel joint
with him and kelz.

Speaker 2 (57:21):
Yeah, yeah, he was, it was, he kind of went into
that hustler.

Speaker 1 (57:24):
Hustler was big.
What year is hustler?

Speaker 2 (57:26):
hustler was big.
That was like what 2003 2003, Ithink, or three yeah.

Speaker 1 (57:32):
So swiss was swiss was still kicking.
He might have been on lifesupport but he was like doing
his thing, like, but I, you know, I, I think to.
To coop's point um, maybe heholds swiss higher in the
echelon of um producers than wedo.
I shout out to the homie trifle.
I think that that Swizz isactually Trife's favorite

(57:53):
producer of all time.
I think Trife had him rankednumber one, but yeah, I don't
hold him that high.
So my expectations.
When I hear tracks like FU, Ithink that that's like yo, this
is Swizz at his best.
I'm not saying that the bar issuper low, but you know I'm not
saying that the bar is likesuper low, but like, you know
what I mean, that's, that's astandout track for him.

Speaker 2 (58:15):
No, doubt, no doubt, no doubt.
But yeah, man, I love this, Ilove this track, I love this
album FU is definitely one ofthose and the energy that the
locks brought we are the streetsman.
It was a good time.

Speaker 1 (58:30):
It was a good time in 2000 to kick the year off I
think I think the moment youknow, and we'll talk to talk a
little bit to this point later,I'm gonna have to agree with
y'all.
I might have to.
I might have to drop my micrating at least down to a 4.25.
You know what I mean, becausethe moment surrounding this
album them leaving bad boy doingthe let the locks go campaign

(58:53):
you know what I mean it was justa big mess.
They finally get out of thatsituation, go over to Rough
Riders, which they already werewith the Rough Riders as far as
Rough Riders management.
But they made it official andgot to do this album and I think
it was a lot of expectations.
Their soundscape changed, youknow what I mean.
It was more gritty, it was alot of expectations.
Their sound, their soundscapechanged, you know what I mean.

(59:14):
It was more gritty, it was morestreet.
But I think that for theexpectations of what they were
to live up to, the album didn'tdeliver that.
So that goes to your point.
So I would have to be anobjective.
Drop my mic rating a little biton that.
It was a lot going on.

Speaker 2 (59:33):
It was a lot going on at that time because, again,
Rough Riders was on.
It wasn't a massive run.
X was the lead dog, no punintended, so they had a lot
going on during that time.
And again, the expectation forthis album was massive because
you felt like you were going toget a true street album from the

(59:54):
lots which you got.
But again, some of thesesingles you got ride or die
chick.
I just I didn't like thatsingle because if you're going
to get away from the shiny suitera, I don't think you should
come out with a single, a leadsingle in ride or die chick with
Timbaland and that kind of beatfrom Timbaland.

Speaker 1 (01:00:09):
Yeah, cause that's in that same wheelhouse.
But, we'll get to this a littlelater too.
You know we was there in realtime, sean, and as dope as the
Locks are as a group and asanticipated as they were, year
2000, people was.
The buzz for Jadakiss' soloalbum was just as loud as the

(01:00:29):
buzz for Locks' group album.

Speaker 2 (01:00:31):
It was crazy, it was crazy, it was crazy, it was
crazy.
Let's get this super chat.
I like where you're going withthat.

Speaker 1 (01:00:36):
We got Chief.
What up?
Chief?
Yo shout out to Chief.
Chief, be going crazy.
In the Discord Chief said I'mback, y'all.

Speaker 4 (01:00:46):
And I'm black, y'all, and I'm blackity black, and I'm
black.

Speaker 3 (01:00:49):
Y' Wow man.

Speaker 1 (01:00:50):
You're crazy man.
Yo, the Razorhead with the $2Super Chat Was Styles P, the
best MC on we Are the Streets.
I'm going to say no, I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:01:02):
He was the blunt force on the album the enforcer
the enforcer.

Speaker 1 (01:01:09):
I'm going to be honest, like I just said, people
were starving for a Jada Kidsolo album and Jada was
evidently the best on that album.
I think clearly.
But it was something aboutSheik's verses on that album.
Man, there's so many standoutSheik verses on that album.
Sheik was my favorite in theBad Boy era.

(01:01:31):
Then in the Rough Riders eraJada leapfrogged him and Jada's
been in my top five.
I'm going to say that on thisshow many a times.
I will say, even though Jada'sbetter on that album, I just
like the way Sheik was justkilling the verses on there.
He was that I don't know, hejust had a flair.

(01:01:54):
Even though Jada was betterlyrically, I think Sheik's
verses had more flair to them onwe Are the Streets.
Oddly enough, I would putStyles last.

Speaker 2 (01:02:02):
Yeah, he was in the pocket, definitely in the pocket
.
Raising head.

Speaker 1 (01:02:07):
Raising head.
Appreciate you, bro.
This album came out before DMX.
If this album came out beforeDMX, it don't work.

Speaker 2 (01:02:15):
The same.
That's a good point.
I mean that's a really goodpoint because X was consuming so
much of the market at that time.
Even the soundscape, everythingthat X was doing, I mean you're
talking about is dark, you knowwhat.
Ninety eight, you got ninetyeight again with F flesh in my
flesh 99.
You got what?

(01:02:35):
And then there was x.

Speaker 1 (01:02:36):
yeah, but I look at it as the inverse.
Though I look at it as theinverse, I never looked at it
like that.
That's a crazy way to look atif it came out before dmx, but x
is already on the scene for twoyears by the time this comes
out.
Right, yeah, I looked at thislike what would this album be
with an X feature?
Because if you're making yourRough Riders debut, x is the

(01:03:00):
only name missing from thefeature list on here.

Speaker 2 (01:03:04):
It is, it is.
Yeah that's a good point.

Speaker 1 (01:03:09):
This album might look totally different if they now
granted they had X on the firstalbum.
Money Power Respect was thebest cut on that first record.
If they get another solid Xfeature on this joint.

Speaker 2 (01:03:21):
But what version of X are you going to get at this
time?
This is 2000.
X was still X in 2000, bro itwas, but X was also kind of
going into that movie stuff andhe also had other things going
on too.
God bless the dead.
Remember, we didn't hear backto X again until 2001.

Speaker 1 (01:03:39):
They still needed an X-verse.

Speaker 2 (01:03:41):
They did, but I'm just saying, what version though
.

Speaker 1 (01:03:43):
I don't care what version they needed an X-verse,
I don't care what version theyneeded that, but did you ever
think about in real time, didn'tyou think that was like?
You know, maybe it wasscheduling stuff or whatever,
but you know this is putting astamp.
You know I'm saying like youwaving the rough riders flag and
their main guy is not featuredon your on the album.

Speaker 2 (01:04:04):
I thought that was funny in real time, in real time
, to think about it.
I'm be honest with you, becauseI I guess I wasn't checking for
an x feature, because it wasn't.
I felt like it wasn't needed.
In real time, talking about itright now, I'm thinking like
maybe it, maybe he had needed ax feature, you know I mean, but
let's look at what, let's lookat what came before that.

Speaker 1 (01:04:26):
On um money power respect, you got the title track
Money Power Respect.
Classic record yes, absolutely.
On X's debut record you gotwhat Niggas Don't Start or
something right, classic,classic record right.
On Blackout, I mean on Flesh,you got Blackout correct.

Speaker 2 (01:04:48):
Absolutely, it was golden.

Speaker 1 (01:04:52):
And not to mention, we don't give a.
That too with Jada, all right,Classic record and for hours to
live.
Another classic record, correct?
Yeah, string of classic records.
If they get another one ofthose, we are the streets we
might be having a differentconversation today.

(01:05:13):
One track like that could bumpup an album from a four to a
four and a half or a five.

Speaker 2 (01:05:18):
I agree, I agree, I agree, I don't disagree at all.

Speaker 1 (01:05:23):
I just thought that was weird in real time man.

Speaker 2 (01:05:25):
In real time.
I just didn't think about ituntil we were talking about it
now.
So, yeah, that's interesting.
That's interesting.
That's a good super chat.
Damn good super chat.
Where do you want to go, man?
Do you want to go with the over40?
Or do we want to roll into,like, that expectation thing?
Because this kind of like leadsinto that conversation.
Yeah, we're already here, man,let's stay there so we want to

(01:05:55):
give a shout out to the discorddialogue, straight up the
discord, the hip-hop sourcediscord.
Yo shout out to the whole crewover there, um, coming up with
some great stuff.
We, we do, uh, we chat all day,all night.
It's like continuous in thediscord.
We post polls in the discordthat you know to just ask
questions about different partsof hip-hop and periods of
hip-hop, and for this one Ithought that you know my ag

(01:06:17):
shared it with me.
I'm like yo, this is a good one.
So, ag, let's talk about it.

Speaker 1 (01:06:21):
Man, tell the people we want to talk about yeah, man,
I was just taking myself backto that um era because we had a
lot of conversation about we arethe streets leading into jada
kiss's solo album and if it'sinfamously enough, uh, everybody
says jada kiss doesn't have aclassic solo album but he came
close.
A lot of people don't considerto callous a classic solo album

(01:06:44):
out of all the.
The first uh wu-tang album run,you know so.
But they said he might havecame close.
And prodigy had a lot ofexpectations with h and ic um
coming off all the mob, deepclassics and you know it kind of
fell short.
So I was asking myself and I putthe question in the discord um,

(01:07:06):
which artists without acertified classic solo album
came the closest to deliveringexpectations on their debut
album.
And the choices were Prodigywith H&IC, method man with Takao
and then Jadakiss with Kiss theGame Goodbye.
And as far as what the Discordvoted, jadakiss won at 57%.

(01:07:28):
So they said that he delivered,you know, the most out of the
three of them with his soloeffort and surprisingly, prodigy
came in second with with twentynine percent and Method man
came in last with 14 percent.
So what have you to say to that, sean?

Speaker 2 (01:07:47):
Man.
I went back and listened to Calagain today and Kiss the Game,
goodbye and H&R C.
I'll be honest, man, and I hadto think about this a lot on my
flight about meth.
In real time we never reallytalked bad about TKAL.
I never heard again from mylens, from my seat.

(01:08:09):
I never heard anyone spoke illabout TKAL.
I never heard anyone say TKLwas anything short of an amazing
or great album.
Years down the line peoplestarted comparing it.
I think I feel like they werecomparing it to Cuban Link,
liquid Swords, Iron man, evenReturn to the 36 Chambers.

(01:08:30):
But when I listen to it againtoday, ag, I'm like yo, t'kal is
not a bad album.
It's just the fact that I thinkT'Kal was an extension
musical-wise, not as far as likesongs I'm talking about, like
just music-wise.
It was an extension of Into the36.
And because RZA was still inthat dark, damp type of

(01:08:54):
production gritty, gritty, verydark album, very dark album,
right.
And I think the thing thathurts to Cal if you want to say
anything, hurt it because Istill listening to it today I'm
like the only thing that is justnot vibrant.
It's not a vibrant album, butit also came out in 94, right.
I think the thing that probablyimpacted to Cal was album, but
they also came out in 94, right.
I think the thing that probablyimpacted TKAL was the fact that

(01:09:14):
you have Return to the 36Chambers, which is a vibrant
album you have.
After that you got Only Beenfor Cuba Links, then you had
Liquid Swords, then you had Ironman.

Speaker 1 (01:09:28):
No, yeah, return to the 36 after TKAL.
Oh I didn't know.

Speaker 2 (01:09:31):
you said that that's a vibrant album.

Speaker 1 (01:09:32):
Return to the 36th happens to count.

Speaker 2 (01:09:33):
That's a vibrant album.
Return to the 36th is vibrant,right.
It's a lot of personality inthat album, right.
And then you've got On the Biffand Cuban Links, which we know
what that is.
And then you got, you know, GZALiquid Swords.
We know what that is.
Then you turn around and gotIron man.
So now RZA is getting betterand better at production and

(01:09:55):
getting better and better atorchestrating a phenomenal album
from front to back, and I thinkthat's what gave TKL that blow.
You know what I'm saying yes,Because in real time nobody's
saying anything bad about TKL.
I really don't.

Speaker 1 (01:10:10):
No, I'm glad you spoke on that, because it was a
victim of what came after it,not necessarily before it.
You know what I mean, becausepeople were saying that after
the other albums came.
Here's how I look at Takao.
Remember when in the dunkcontest I want to say it was 98,
maybe JRRotter did the East BayFunk Dunk between the legs,

(01:10:32):
right, and we was like, oh shit,that's crazy, that's pretty
impressive.
He could do that.
But then years later, catstarted you know what I'm saying
.
They had that to build off ofand was doing between the legs
like windmills and between thelegs like backwards.
And you're like you knowbuilding up what you know,
building off of what he did, andlike his dunk don't even look

(01:10:52):
crazy, no more, because you knowpeople had a little bit more
flair and put a little moreextra.
Uh, you know I'm saying mustardon, you know I'm saying so.
I think.
I think that was to count.
Like it was, it was dope forthe time, but every chamber that
came after that it just keptbuilding and building and
building and it was just likeyou look like you look at you,

(01:11:14):
look at Takao and you just likeTakao's not that impressive, you
know, but in real time, likeyou said it was, it was dope.
But I think it's another thingthat speaks to why Takao is not
a classic, because I think it'scommon knowledge and I think
Cooper spoke to to this.
You know before too, meth is abetter Feature, one of probably

(01:11:37):
the best feature Rapper of alltime, if not he's top Two or
three.
Right, he is a better featurerapper Than he is at making his
own Projects.
So, within the confinement ofthe clan, like I can pull any
you know Shadow boxing, whateveryou know what, I can pull any.
You know shadow boxing.
Whatever you know what I'msaying, any, any clan record

(01:11:57):
that he's a feature onovershadows anything he's put
out.
So I'll say that.

Speaker 2 (01:12:04):
Yes, because to cow the.
The pallet of the cow doesn'tfit, met the man's personality
over the years, right, Becausethe cow is dark, dark, dark.
So the palette of T'Kal doesn'tfit Method Man's personality
over the years, right, becauseT'Kal is dark, dark.

Speaker 1 (01:12:16):
So are you saying that T'Kal is more RZA during
that time?

Speaker 2 (01:12:19):
Absolutely RZA.
You can tell RZA had theinfluence all over T'Kal at that
time.
Because, again, it's anextension of the darkest moments
of 36.
Into Wu 36.
It's an extension of thedarkest parts of 36.
Into Woo 36.
It has.
It's an extension of thedarkest parts of that.
So now, if RZA is in thatchamber, if you will, he's

(01:12:39):
giving that to meth, which methis a colorful.
He's a colorful MC.

Speaker 1 (01:12:44):
Can I ask you this?
I think that T'Kal's darkerthan 36.
Do you?

Speaker 2 (01:12:51):
Yeah, absolutely, that's what.
I'm saying it's RZA got intolike that chamber and he stayed
there because you go back andyou listen to the joints.
Even if you listen to um, all Ineed with street life on it the
original.
It's like a.
It's an old day, but that songis pretty dark still, or shorty.
Yeah, I played it for my witsat a young age.

Speaker 1 (01:13:17):
Like hey, yeah, that's why they had to liven it
up a little bit, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:13:21):
That's when I started calling my wits.
You know what?

Speaker 1 (01:13:23):
I'm saying Matt's trying to spit while you're
having a blank, no-pupil contactthen and go things in your
mouth is crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:13:34):
So I mean again, if we can switch pace real quick
and go to HNIC, if you don'tmind.
I think it lends credence toHNIC, like the palette was
different for P Because thiscame out in 2000.
And you're talking about comingoff the heels of the success of

(01:13:55):
their most successful album asa group, right, money-wise, you
know, sales-wise, went platinum.
So you get murder music and youand I talked about this behind
the scenes a couple of days agowhen you was telling me like yo
remember, you reminded me,remember Quiet Storm was
supposed to be the lead singleon H&R C.
That would have changedeverything on H&R C Big facts,

(01:14:18):
everything.
But it would also changeeverything on Murder Music.

Speaker 1 (01:14:23):
Good point, right?
Yeah, things work out howthey're supposed to a lot of
times, and that would you know.
That was their most successfulalbum on the strength of that
record, as the first single onthe back of that.

Speaker 2 (01:14:35):
Absolutely, absolutely, because we thought
we was looking for, and rest inpeace, prodigy man.
Queens, get the money.
We were looking for thatversion of P to populate on HNIC
based on what was going on inMurder Music.
But, ag, the crazy thing is,hold on.
We got a super chat, bro.

(01:14:56):
Yeah, I want you to sharesomething you shared with me
behind the scenes the RaisingHead.

Speaker 1 (01:15:03):
Appreciate the $10.
Super chat Meth had almostunrealistic expectations because
it sandwiched Paul's in betweentwo classic Woo albums.
It's almost impossible for himto sound like the cream hook for
a whole album.
That's a very good point.
Yeah, very valid point.

Speaker 2 (01:15:21):
But was there expectations for Meth at that
time?

Speaker 1 (01:15:26):
Well, let's go through each individual album
and then we'll compare them as awhole.
Yeah, let's do that.
Let's stay on HNIC for rightnow.

Speaker 2 (01:15:34):
Yeah, you told me that because you were talking
behind the scenes about thetiming of HNIC.
We was thinking what if itwould have came out in 98, right
before Murder Music?
Do you think that would havechanged everything with HNIC?

Speaker 1 (01:15:55):
Yes, right before murder music.
Do you think that would havechanged everything?
With h and I c?
Yes, and for prodigy as a soloartist?
Yes, it probably would havebeen for the better.
But I think you bring up aninteresting point like what does
that do for murder music?
Yeah, you know what I mean.
So it's it's like a, you know,maybe in a multiverse a
different, you know timeline.
Maybe we see what that lookslike, but I think things worked
out how they were supposed.
Maybe in a multiverse, adifferent timeline, maybe we see

(01:16:17):
what that looks like, but Ithink things worked out how they
were supposed to.
Because would I trade a betterProdigy solo album for maybe a
watered-down murder music?
No, I would not.

Speaker 2 (01:16:27):
But see, that's the thing.
If H&IC comes out in 98, a yearbefore Murder Music, that takes
the sales out of Murder Musicright.

Speaker 1 (01:16:36):
Right, because that was their most successful record
.
So what's the disconnect withMurder Music, I mean with H&IC,
then Production was changingaround that time, the palette of
certain sounds and stuff, butwe talked about this too.

(01:16:56):
Prodigy didn't tap into whatmade him good and when you want
to talk about dark, you knowsound and production, that's
what he fits best on.
And you're doing a solo recordwith like 20 some tracks and you
only got two from Havoc andfour from Alchemist, who's up
and coming at that time.
That's not going to get the jobdone, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:17:24):
But you don't have a Nas feature on HNIC.

Speaker 1 (01:17:30):
So probably a reason for that.

Speaker 2 (01:17:32):
We didn't know that, though right, not in real time
that we didn't know that, thoughright, because Not in real time
?

Speaker 1 (01:17:35):
no, we didn't know that they were on the outs.

Speaker 2 (01:17:38):
The same thing that you said about DMX and you named
all the phenomenal songs that Xand Lox were on together.
X wasn't on we Are the Streets.
Same thing for Nas and P.
This was probably one time thatNas and P, this was probably
one time that Nas and P wouldhave had an actual song together

(01:17:58):
, but no one else included noother feature on it, just them
two.
Like you said, at the time wedidn't know that there was some
smoke behind the scenes.
We didn't know that there weresome issues.
I didn't pick up on it untilhearing the song 3 with Kormega.
You know the song with Kormega.

(01:18:19):
It's interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:18:23):
But it's still all you know.
Rewind back to that time andI'm glad we're here.
Rewind back to the time it wasrumblings to that, but it was
still confusing.
You know what I mean, because Ithink they put on for the
bridge, because I remember, youknow, being on the the in the
hip-hop blogs and you know, andpeople was talking about like
turmoil, queen's bridge, and youknow it was well known about

(01:18:46):
nas and mega, and then you knowsome tension with prodigy and
stuff, and then, uh, mega andnature's tension or whatever,
but then qb's finals come outand everybody's in the bridge
2001 together.
You know it's like pretty muchlike the bloods and crips tying
their flags together and youknow, like putting their
difference to the, you know tothe side, to put on for the city

(01:19:06):
.
So, um, that that confused,that confused me and it confused
a lot of people.
Because once we saw that we waslike, oh, everything's all good
.

Speaker 2 (01:19:15):
Yeah, again, we didn't know in real time, you
just didn't know it.
But you just noticed that Naswasn't on a Prodigy album in
2000.
And again, we can sit back andgo back and forth and say what
was the disconnect with H&R C,but the overall production was
the thing that killed it.
I think the singles killed itas well.

(01:19:37):
You don't have a single that'sgoing to like really get you to
like tap into.

Speaker 1 (01:19:43):
I'm glad you said that, but I'm going to save my
point for after we go throughall the albums.
But but you know, that's one ofthose things where we could
play, like you know, um, like asfar as you know, monday morning
quarterback and say, well, wewould have did this or did that
or whatever.
You know I'm saying it's verywell that self-conscious could
have been on h and ic, that'strue.

(01:20:04):
That's true, you know, it wasin that wheelhouse.
It could power rap freestylecould have been on h and ic.
That would have elevated thealbum.

Speaker 4 (01:20:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:20:13):
But you know they were reserved for the
compilation.
So I mean, it's a lot of thingsthat you can change or, you
know, swap out to make thatalbum better, but it just didn't
happen the way we wanted it to.
And Prodigy, he had highexpectations, man, we was
waiting on that and you know, Iwant you to speak a little bit

(01:20:35):
about, like you know, jay, usingthat opportunity to attack.

Speaker 2 (01:20:40):
Yeah, absolutely.
We got a couple of super chats.

Speaker 1 (01:20:47):
Jermaine L Johnson.
Peace bro with the follow-upsuper chat.
Appreciate it.
Cream is not a classic hitanthem without Meth coming up
with the hook.
Ray and Dec were the MCs, butMeth was the glue that made that
song.
Absolutely, that's a big factor.
Absolutely, cj, the Kid withthe follow-up super chat.
Appreciate it, cj.
Remember AG Destroy and Rebuildwas after the Bridge 2000.

(01:21:10):
Beef was still in play, yeah,but what I was speaking to when
this is in real time, when attwo the turmoil was going on in
2000, but we didn't know it inreal time.
We were hearing about it seanprobably more closer to it than
me because you know he's fromnew york but we were hearing
about it.
But seeing the bridge 2001video where everybody's in the

(01:21:32):
video together made it seem likeall was good at that point.
I was like wow, nodding for megacool.
Now you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:21:41):
The thing about it is like a lot of people knew
something was still up.
That was like more so for theshow, right, because you're
talking about Less than a yearand a year the year time frame
of everything really coming tothe surface.
I think the whole thing arounddestroying Rebuild was more
around just the fact that itcaught people off guard.

(01:22:03):
When he said P, you know what Imean when he mentioned P by
name, because I don't think noone really knew for sure for
sure that there was some issuesgoing on.
No one knew for sure for surethat there was some issues going
on.
You know I mean no one knew forsure.
You kind of heard somemumblings but you couldn't, you
couldn't quantify that, youcouldn't say, oh yeah, they got
some smoke over there.
You knew there was somethingback and forth to him and mecca.

(01:22:23):
You knew that even when itpieced up, it was still
something going on thereregardless, because certain
things were said that you justcan't take back within a couple
months.
You got to build, you got tobuild that thing back, and the
good thing is they have built itback over the years now, right.
But during that time it's hardto build those things back, when
things were said and thingswere done and you got different

(01:22:43):
crews on both sides 40th sideand 41st side flashing already.
So you got all that stuff goingon at the same time.
And in the middle of that, youknow P trying to jot off a
position too, because P tryingto be the next man, because
everyone is telling P, youbetter than the sun or you just
as good as sun.
And Jay saw that.

(01:23:04):
He saw the success of QuietStorm and what Murder Music was
doing.
And Mob Deep finally got thatplatinum album.
And Peavy said it'd be like yo,we finally got that platinum.
So now it's time for me to domy thing.
Jay was holding tight untilthat happened.
When HNIC came out and didn'tdo that, jay was like oh what?

(01:23:24):
You?
Ain't you barely going gold.
I got you Take over the break'sover.
That's when the takeover comingup.

Speaker 1 (01:23:33):
You remember the bar, my soul.
My album sold with your wholealbum sold in his first week.

Speaker 2 (01:23:39):
Because he knew at that time you're not messing
with me.
You're not messing with meBecause again everything was
going off of record sales, right, the record sales were the
determining factor of theinterest of the artist.
It is today, but it's skewedmore today than it was back then
.
It was physical practice, butback then it was like the

(01:23:59):
interest in that artist is basedon record sales and Jay knew
that you better go and go onyour solo joint.
All right, okay, I got it.
Take over the break's over, youknow, I mean and that's what
you get.
I don't think you get thetakeover like that.
If H&IC would have done likemassive numbers and great

(01:24:24):
numbers, to be quite honest, Ijust don't know if you would get
the takeover.

Speaker 1 (01:24:28):
I agree.
I think it's a twofold thing.
I don't think we get it if H&ICis what it is or Nostradamus is
what it is.
And which brings me to the nextpoint.
I'm going to share what wetexted about the other day,
because I listened.
This is going to becontroversial H&IC all week.

(01:24:49):
You know, for the past few days,for 20 plus years, 24 years I
always maintained that that wasa four-mic album.
After listening to it a lotover the past few days, I had to
drop the rating to a 3.5.
I really did and I was likethis is not a four-mic album,

(01:25:14):
it's definitely a 3.5.
I really did and I was likethis is not a four mic album,
it's definitely a 3.5.
Um, you know, coop wassurprised by my rating of we are
the streets.
I think we are the streets isway better than h and I see.
But, um, I asked sean a questionbecause I was like it was kind
of like a revelation.
I was like man, if h and and Isees only three and a half, I
personally ranked Nostradamus athree and a half and I was like

(01:25:37):
this is the.
This is the burning question.
I was like is what's betterbetween H and I see, and not
Nostradamus.
For me I said Nostradamus.
Sean, you don't have to revealwhat your answer was, I'm bold
enough to say it, but for me itwas Nostradamus.
I was like, if I got to pickbetween the two man, I think

(01:25:57):
Nostradamus can take out H&IC inthe versus, or something like
that.

Speaker 2 (01:26:02):
It'll be an interesting one.
It'll be tough.
It'll be tough.
It'll be tough, honestly, man,because we wanted so much from
H&IC.
I mean even the first promo.
Remember the first promo piece,sitting in a, in like a.
It was like a glass.

Speaker 1 (01:26:19):
Like the George Gervin joint, the like the ice,
the ice throne.

Speaker 2 (01:26:23):
Ice throne, you know what I mean, with the Air Force
Ones on great Air Force Ones,iconic.
We saw all of this, we saw thiscoming at the pipeline and we
were like yo, p about to dosomething special.
Because the buzz and again andI know we're going to talk about
this here to wrap it all up butthe buzz for P was years in the

(01:26:43):
making, right, because you'retalking about I'm not even
counting Juvenile Hill, I'mtalking about when Mob was Mob,
right, I'm talking aboutInfamous on.
So you're talking about 90,what?
95?
Up until 2000.
You got five years anticipationfrom the first time.
He said I got you stuck on thereal and this would be the
Infamous.

(01:27:03):
There was an appetite for Pright From the masses.
You got a five-year buildup toget to that.
Method man had less than a yearof buildup to anticipate a solo
project.
So he didn't.
There was not.
If Method, if Takao would havecame out in a different palette,
different soundscape, maybe 96,maybe Old Dirty came out the

(01:27:27):
chamber first, I don't know.
You know, return to the 36,right, and Meth come out, 96,
maybe would have had a differentconversation about it, because
maybe by that time Rizzo wouldhave meddled out a little bit.
You know something different.
Rizzo's on them shrooms.
He's heavy man, but maybe hewould have given something

(01:27:47):
different.
But the same thing for P AG.
P had a five-year build-up.

Speaker 1 (01:27:55):
Not only the years I'm glad you took it here
because I was going to take ithere later but not just years,
let's look at what's in front.
You said method man.
Only everybody has somethingthat led up to their solo album.
Meth had one certified classicthat preceded his album right
and granted it's 36 chambers,which for me is the top five

(01:28:16):
album all time, but still alltime you know one album, even if
you don't count juvenile hellyeah, the infamous hell on earth
.
and murder music all classicsagree.
All classics Agree, absolutelyAll right.
That's three classic albumsprior to your solo debut.

(01:28:36):
Then Jada had Money, power,respect and we Are the Streets
which, like I said, even thoughwe Are the Streets, is a
personal classic for me.
I can admit neither one ofthose albums are certified
classics, right, and he has somedope features or whatever.
So if you look at thatlandscape between the three, I

(01:28:57):
think he had the most pressure.

Speaker 2 (01:29:01):
He had to because you got the infamous right and I
know people don't.
We talk about Juvenile Hill butlet's be honest, nobody would
check for Juvenile Hill in realtime.
A lot of people didn't knowJuvenile Hill existed.

Speaker 1 (01:29:12):
I didn't know it existed until like you know what
I'm saying after the Infamouswas out.

Speaker 2 (01:29:17):
It was a bit so much of a big jump between Juvenile
Hill and the Infamous.
It was ridiculous.
It's almost hard to even talkabout Juvenile Hill, but you're
talking about when P became P,because P was mentioned amongst
the pantheon of who's who of hiphop at that time in 95, 96.

(01:29:39):
We were talking about P asbeing one of the big dogs.
He was up there, right.
So you got.
The only thing different was hewas in the group.
He was, you know, the otherhalf of a group, but he was
holding his own on every feature.
He was holding his own on hisown.
He was doing everything right,was holding his own on his own.
He was doing everything right.
The anticipation was again.
I told you this.
I said what if he would havehad the soundscape that Fat Joe

(01:30:00):
had with Don Cartagena?
Maybe not the exact beats, butsomewhat of that direction of 98
with Don Cartagena.

Speaker 1 (01:30:09):
That would have been crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:30:11):
Imagine P having that .
We're having a whole differentconversation.

Speaker 1 (01:30:13):
But I think the pressure that P had on him would
be the equivalent of Andre 3000saying he's going to drop a
solo album after Equemini.

Speaker 2 (01:30:30):

Speaker 1 (01:30:31):
I think it would be that I think P's level of
anticipation was that high.
I think it would be that Ithink P's level of anticipation
was that high.
That's a good point, becauseyou look, you know Equimina, atl
and Southern Playalistic that'sthree classics.

Speaker 2 (01:30:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:30:42):
So P, in front of his solo hehad three classics, yes, yeah.
So imagine if Andre said thathe was going to release a solo
after the level of anticipationit would have been and
expectations.
I think that's what he had onhim.
So, between these three, eventhough I agree that Jada

(01:31:04):
delivered the best, he had thehighest bar.

Speaker 2 (01:31:09):
I think I agree.
I agree because Jada wasgetting a lot of cosigns.

Speaker 1 (01:31:16):
A lot of looks, a lot of dope features.

Speaker 2 (01:31:19):
He was big cosign J, nas cosign J J cosign Big before
he left.
That's what I'm saying BigFirst one up.
J said he was the one.
You got Nas.
You got J, everyone before heleft.
That's what I'm saying.
Big First one up.
Jay said he was the one right.
You got Nas.
You got Jay, everyone who's who, who need to cosign you.
Kiss got those cosigns straightup and down and again his

(01:31:44):
feature run in between time wasridiculous, everything that he
was getting on.
He wasn't sparing the bar.
He wasn't sparing the momentand he was almost before.
I know people talk about LilWayne's feature run and kind of
him ramping up to the Carter 2and the Carter 3.
We got that in Jadakiss, youknow since inception.

Speaker 1 (01:32:08):
Yeah, I mean you look at John Blaze, like John Blaze
is 98, right, you know what I'msaying.
And Fat Joe is Fat Joe.
But you got Nas, pun and Ray onthe same track and we looking
at Jada like yo, Jada is hangingwith all them.
Yeah, he's young.

Speaker 4 (01:32:26):

Speaker 2 (01:32:28):
Young, you talking about what a year in the game by
this time?
Mm-hmm.
A year in the game by this time.
Mm-hmm A year in the game.
I mean, he's out there, he'ssparring with DMX when DMX was
the hottest thing on the planetat that time, Right?
So he's sparring with him.
He's not sparing the bar, so heand again the years you're

(01:32:52):
talking about from what?
97 up until 2001.
He had time.
He had time, Although he got asnag with the whole locks and
the bad boy separation.
He got a snag in there.
Jada also checked all the boxes.
Pete wasn't checking at thattime.
Jada was able to hop on a RayaCarey joint, as Coop mentioned
before.
We was waxing his boots on Jadaand Bean's conversation, he was

(01:33:16):
getting on tracks with Mary,tracks with Mariah.

Speaker 1 (01:33:20):
Jada's very charismatic.
For as much as we hold meth upfor being charismatic, Jada on a
feature is just as charismaticduring that time.

Speaker 2 (01:33:30):
He was doing a little subtleties to make him
charismatic, right Smiling likesmile, right On the record, you
know, being there with Maya,right being there with Mary
being there, with Mariah beingthere, just being able to do
kind of bob and weave oneverything.
He was checking all these boxes.
He was giving you the mostflawless, gruesome shoot you in

(01:33:52):
your face flows, but he waschecking all these boxes.
He was giving you the mostflawless, gruesome shoot you in
your face flows, but he was alsocatering to the women at the
same time.
So he and he was on mixtapes atthat time and he was on that
time.

Speaker 1 (01:34:04):
So let's go ahead and transition there, like you know
, with the mixtapes.
Like you spoke about going into kiss the game goodbye, I've
already said on this channelmultiple times me and low argued
about it on stage ahead andstuff.
He tried to tell me that that,jesus, tm 101 is better than
kiss the game goodbye is.

(01:34:24):
It's better and it's a classicby the standard that jesus had
right.
You know I'm saying it'sclassic jesus standard that
Jeezy had right.
It's classic Jeezy's standardof rapping or what's expected
out of him is not Jada Kiss'slevel of standard or what's
expected out of him.
Not at all.
So if you're saying that TM 101is better than Kiss the Game

(01:34:47):
Goodbye, let's just put it intoproper context based on it was a
classic because it hit us outof nowhere and everybody was
riding to it and we didn't havethat level of expectation.
It was a pleasant surprise.
Jada.
Kids had a level of expectationthat few can reach with that,
you know, heavy burden on them.
So I'm going to ask you I thinkkiss the game Goodbyes are four

(01:35:13):
and a half album as well.
It has everything an albumcould want.
You got your.
We're going to make it as oneof the best, all-time great hip
hop records of all time.
Right, or a posse cut.
You know, none of y'all betterOver Premiere.

(01:35:33):
Y'all talked over Premiere.
Y'all talked about recognizing.
We are the streets.
None of y'all better sits onrecognized in my opinion.
I agree, I agree.
Put your Hands Up is a dopelead single.
Knock Yourself Out is a bangerclub joint.
Crazy.
Is a dope lead single.
Knock Yourself Out is a banger,a club joint.

(01:35:55):
Crazy.
You got crazy records collabslike you got Nas spitting like a
demon on you know sodisciplined.

Speaker 2 (01:36:03):
Pretty far.

Speaker 1 (01:36:04):
You got it Once again .
Uh-huh when we talk about whenthe locks get with X classic
status right Classic statusClassic.

Speaker 2 (01:36:14):
Status Classic status .

Speaker 1 (01:36:14):
Jada's solo, first solo album has just about
anything and everything you want.
I'm going to ask you, sean,what keeps it from being a
classic?
That half a mic or that mic whydoes it not get given to Jada
on this project?

Speaker 2 (01:36:28):
Man, I thought about this for years, bro, for years,
in real time.
I thought it was a classic, andI probably can argue my way
into saying it's a classic.
If I'm being honest with you, Ithink it might be bloated.
You need some stuff cut, Ithink.

(01:36:51):
I think it's bloated and Ithink that's what kind of hurt
it, because I'm looking at itright now you're talking about
21 all together, but you got alot of skits in there, about
four skits in there, right.
I don't know what could youtake off?
I think again, if I'm lookingat a buffet of a character in NJ

(01:37:15):
, right, nj the Kiss and he'schecking all these boxes, I got
a girl's song going here, right,I got a hood song going here.
I got an anthem song going here.
Remember when Put your Hands Upcame out that's a B-side record
as your lead.
Then you're going to turnaround and give me Knock

(01:37:35):
Yourself Out, and you're goingto dance a cone with it A simple
dance, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:37:43):
I mean not me, but he had people wearing paper towel
bandanas.
That was a nasty time.

Speaker 2 (01:37:49):
I didn't use the paper towel, I used the actual
towel.
I was overseas.
They would call me Jada.
I was overseas and I had likethe towel.

Speaker 1 (01:37:59):
You had to have the bounty joint, the thick joint,
so else you know what I'm saying.
Like you're sweating through,the joint fall apart on your
head.

Speaker 2 (01:38:08):
It's like coming apart.
So I was using like an actualtowel.
I was using like an actualtowel.
I was using like an actualtowel and I turned into a
bandana.

Speaker 1 (01:38:16):
But, um, I'm looking at it right now and I don't know
I mean cruising, even was avibe yeah, it was the conclusion
I came up with and this makeszero sense when I say it in my
head, so I'm going to just sayit out loud and you tell me if
it makes sense to you.
I've always came to theconclusion that you said he

(01:38:39):
checks every box.
To me, what keeps it from beinga classic is, I think classic
records check all those boxesorganically.
But when I listen to the recordit sounds like we got to check
this box.
We got to have the girl joint.
We got to have the club joint.
We got to have the West Coastjoint.
We need the Snoop feature toget the West Coast.

(01:39:00):
We need Fiend to get the downsouth love.
We got.
You know what I mean it sounds.
It's always seemed to me like itwas very formulated in his
approach, seemed to me like itwas very formulated in his
approach.
Now, sometimes that happensnaturally, and who am I to say
that?
Yeah, I wasn't in the studio,so maybe it was natural.

(01:39:21):
But to me it sounds like allright, we got these, we need one
of those, you know.
Now we need to go get this.
That, that's how it sounds likebut.

Speaker 2 (01:39:31):
But that's who he is, though.
Those are all of the bucketsthat he has, that's his variety,
that's his bandwidth.
It's almost like it's almost toa point where we're penalizing

(01:39:51):
Jadakiss for being.

Speaker 1 (01:39:55):
What Jay-Z is lauded for.

Speaker 2 (01:39:57):
Right, we're penalizing that, because Kiss
the Game and Goodbye to me isfar more superior than all of
Jadakiss' other albums, in myopinion.
In my opinion I know a lot ofpeople like his second album,
his third album.

Speaker 1 (01:40:12):
It's his best work To me.

Speaker 2 (01:40:14):
Kiss the Game, goodbye is his best work.
It's the closest thing you'regoing to get to in his personal
catalog, to a classic.

Speaker 1 (01:40:21):
But I think Ignatius' is most like.

Speaker 2 (01:40:24):
It's personal.

Speaker 1 (01:40:25):
Right.
I think that's his most honestapproach, where he wasn't trying
to check boxes, he just went inthere and rapped and recorded
what came naturally.

Speaker 2 (01:40:32):
Correct.
But Kiss the Game to me wasalways showing the different
faces of Jadakiss, the differentstyles of Jadakiss, the
different range that he Becausehe has so much range.
If you go back and listen toGangsta and the Gentleman to me,
which is a phenomenal albumthat we need to talk about one
day, Some would say it's betterthan J Desjardins.

(01:40:54):
I've heard people say shout outto Corona Queens.
Some did say it was better atthat time, honestly, because it
was him.
Authentic, it was authentic.
Styles P Good.

Speaker 1 (01:41:08):
Times is an unconventional hit, but it was a
hit.

Speaker 2 (01:41:12):
It was a hit.

Speaker 1 (01:41:14):
But it's a lot of weed smokers out there.

Speaker 2 (01:41:17):
Yeah, they were going crazy.
But, AG, I don't have a skill,I can't think of a true skill on
Kiss the Game.

Speaker 1 (01:41:23):
Goodbye man, I just can't.
Let's take off the skits.
If you could eliminate twotracks, what are those tracks?
Run through the track list realquick in order, because I think
I got to remember Jazz Got aGun which is to me that has to
stay.

Speaker 2 (01:41:38):
It's a great start to an album Show Discipline Stays
Top Tier.
Knock Yourself Out, you got tohave that.
Stays Right, we're Going toMake it Classic.
Got to Right.
Going to make it classic, I doRight.
None of y'all better Gotta stay.
Come on, stick your.
No, that's a skit.
I'm a gangster.
I'm cutting that one.

(01:41:59):
You can cut that.
The parlay Shout out to parlay,nasty girl, you can probably.
Yeah, carl Thomas on the hook,it was necessary, but for the
time.
It can be.
Yeah, that's big influence.
Absolutely, absolutely, putyour hands up.

(01:42:20):
Got to say Right On my way,miss Wiz, keep yeah, cruisin'
Gotta keep that.
But Snoop said I wanna Slap abitch across the head For
missing a shit to a pimp.
Yo, snoop was crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:42:41):
Um, we ain't talking about Snoop right now.
Snoop in hot water.

Speaker 2 (01:42:46):
Kiss of spittin'.

Speaker 4 (01:42:48):
Yeah, keep it.

Speaker 2 (01:42:50):
Yeah right.

Speaker 1 (01:42:51):
Um, I mean that sample is iconicitting.
Yeah, keep it.
Yeah, right, I mean that sampleis iconic.

Speaker 2 (01:42:55):
Yeah, nothing or what .
You can probably cut that.
Yes, that's another one I'mcutting.
It's time I see you.

Speaker 1 (01:43:07):
That's a posse cut.
That's a hard joint.
Yeah, you got to keep that.

Speaker 2 (01:43:10):
Keep that right yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:43:12):
What you ride for is crazy.
Nah, I'm cutting that.

Speaker 4 (01:43:16):
I get it.

Speaker 1 (01:43:18):
I get it for the South Reach, but I don't think
that's necessary for this Jadaalbum.

Speaker 2 (01:43:24):
You have Young One on it.
You got to have Young One.
No, you don't.

Speaker 1 (01:43:26):
Nobody said you do you got to remember Young One?
No, you don't, nobody said youdo.
Yo, young One was Shout out toYoung One on World War III.
You know what I'm saying, butyou know he did his thing on
there, but you could have takenYoung One off of World War III.

Speaker 2 (01:43:41):
You could have put somebody else on there.
You could have put Nelly onthere.

Speaker 1 (01:43:43):
That's how I feel about this song.
And then the Fiend.
You know on that track whichCash Money was.
I'm not sorry, not Cash Money,but no Limit was out of here
during that time.
Yeah, so I understand the move,but for me I'm cutting that
song.

Speaker 2 (01:43:59):
Oh, uh-huh, you gotta keep uh-huh.
Gotta keep that.
Shout out to Philly.
We got that.
Philly on that.
Shout out to Arrow Shoot tokill, stump me in the south,
boot the grill.
I give you a reason why I'm thetruth for real.
Yeah, he went crazy, feel me.

Speaker 1 (01:44:18):
That's my favorite Jadakiss song.
That has to stay.

Speaker 2 (01:44:22):
Keep your head high, keep your head up.
I can probably cut that.

Speaker 1 (01:44:26):
It's a good closer, but I'm not a big fan of that
record, but it's a good closerbut I'm not a big fan of that
record, yeah not a big fan, butit's a good closer, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:44:33):
So I mean he was.
Maybe the Ralph Ryders formulawasn't the right formula for him
on this one, because the onesthat we are cutting are the ones
that kind of was in that RalphRyders wheelhouse, because that
was during the time Ralph Ryderswas also trying to extend
themselves to other areas alsolet me say this, and I'm glad

(01:44:57):
that this court voted like theydid with Jada delivered the most
.

Speaker 1 (01:45:01):
I think this is as close as you can get to a
classic without it being aclassic, I agree.
I mean, it's just right there,but again, man, look, we got a
super chance.

Speaker 2 (01:45:10):
The classic, I agree.
I mean it's just right there.
But again, man, look we got acouple of super chats.
I'm going to ride hard for Jadeon this one Pause.
Hold on when we at the RaisingHead.

Speaker 1 (01:45:24):
Yo, p's Raising Head.
How long was P's run ofactually being nice?
95 to 2000?
.
I'm being nice 95 to 2000.
I'm going to give him to 2001.
I'm extended to 2001.
I don't know if I can 2001.
The stuff that he did like QB'sfinest.
Granted, we don't know when allof it was recorded, but he's

(01:45:46):
still rapping at a pretty highlevel on QB's finest and that's
the end of 2000.
Yeah, so, um, raise a head.
A buffet of Jadakiss parts Sean.

Speaker 2 (01:45:59):
I want to hear that.

Speaker 1 (01:46:01):
CJ the Kid appreciate you, bro.
General consensus is Kiss ofDeath is his best and the
closest to a classic.
Bless you guys, bless you too,CJ.
I think it's as close as youcan get without it being a
certified classic, bro, I thinkgotta be man like you know.
You know it was released in thewrong, wrong generation, I swear
, because everything was so toptier then and there's no shade

(01:46:25):
to you know.
Shout out to cole recently hada birthday, on the 28th.
You know if forest hills drivecould considered a classic, you
know what I mean.
Granted, it was big, bigmovement for his fan base and it
was like it shifted the culturea little bit at that time.
But if Forest Hills Drive canbe considered wildly as a
classic, not only at this erabut all time, at least by his

(01:46:49):
fan base, then I don't see whyKiss the Game, goodbye, can't.

Speaker 2 (01:46:53):
That's my point.
That's my point.
I think it's closer than wewant to give credit for, because
the not that we're giving himis saying that he's going after
other crowds, but he can do that.
He's one of the few MCs, fewrappers, that can actually cross
over into other regions and dothose kind of songs.

Speaker 1 (01:47:16):
Let me ask you this.
So it was really.
We talked about Method man toCal, and it was more so.
People didn't hail it as aclassic because of what came
after now.
Granted, that was within hiscamp.
This is all 2001.
Do you think we look at kiss'salbum different if the blueprint

(01:47:40):
and still matic don't followthat just a few months later?

Speaker 2 (01:47:44):
absolutely, you got too much going on 2001.
I mean hell, you got dmx.
The great depression came outin 2001.
I mean hell, you got DMX.
The Great Depression came outin 2001 too, didn't it?
Yeah, and the Great Depressionto me wasn't one of his best,
but it was still Pulperized.

Speaker 1 (01:48:00):
And Beanie's the reason.
That's my favorite Beanie'salbum.
That came out in 2001 as well,and he was battling Beanie Right
.
But I think Kiss the Game.
Goodbye is the better albumbetween the two.
I do too.
I think Kiss the Game.
The Dynasty came out in 2000.
I think Kiss the Game.
Goodbye is far better than theDynasty.

Speaker 2 (01:48:18):
I do too.
I think it's more appealing tome to listen to than that album.
2001 was an interesting yearbecause Jay was like really
dominating 2001 because he hadsome carryover from 2000 into
2001.
You're going to have theblueprint on us.
So much was going on at thattime too.
Because even in 2001, what elseyou had?

(01:48:41):
You had Fab.
That came out in 2001.
Same day as Jay, that wasSeptember 11th Same day as Jay,
we can say what we want to sayabout it, but Ja Rule was still.
You know, he was still.

Speaker 1 (01:48:54):
Ja Rule in 2001.
I think Jay and Nas is whathurt him, though, because Kid's
album is in August yeah.
Jay drops a month later, inSeptember, and Nas closes out
the year in December in December.
Stillmatic and Blueprint asalbums are both certifiable and
Nas closes out the year inDecember.

(01:49:15):
In December, stillmatic andBlueprint as albums are both
certifiable.
Five mics, no questions asked,and it's a different tier.
But if those albums don'thappen right after, if they get
pushed to 2002, I think we'relooking at Jada's album a little
different.

Speaker 2 (01:49:35):
So let me ask you this then does that still go
right back?
We talking about threephenomenal MCs, three phenomenal
MCs at their height.
No one can mess with them,right?
So are we saying just thetiming?
Did they either jump the windowor did they miss the window in
their timing?
Timing is everything.
It's everything, because you'retalking about Jada from 97 to

(01:49:56):
2001,.
Right, if Kiss, the Game,goodbye.
But I don't know if this soundI'm thinking about the sound of
2001 as well it fit 2001 sound.

Speaker 1 (01:50:08):
Yeah, I think all of them happened when they were
supposed to happen, cause methwas the obviously the star of
the clan.
So they pushed into theforefront, like to say that.
I think Coop said it on one ofthese shows and I disagree with
him.
Like, oh, they should have haddirty out first.
Like method man is a whole solosong on 36 chambers.
For a reason, like you knowwhat I'm saying, it was very

(01:50:28):
much the intent of them toshowcase meth first.
So that happened in the orderit was supposed to.
You posed a question aboutprodigy in 98 as opposed, you
know, before, murder music and Istill don't think it goes well
for him because coming off thesuccess of murder music gave him
more intensity and you know,maybe he would have been able to

(01:50:50):
live up a little bit more tothe standard in 98, but they had
their highest success comingoff of murder music going into a
solo album, and that's what youwould want.
You know, your buzz to be at ahigh and jada kiss.
The same way you get off a badboy, you transition to be on the
label that you want to be onand make the music that you want
to make.
You know, and they're comingoff of.

(01:51:12):
We are the streets the yearbefore leading up to his album.
I think all three of thosealbums happen when they were
supposed to no, I, I agree Idon't think this is like an
inspector deck type situation.

Speaker 2 (01:51:25):
You know what I mean no, not at all, not at all.
I think that to your pointyou're right, because you can't.
If you move things around likethat, it's going to throw things
back off.
If you put HNIC in 98, yes, itwould do well, it would do well.
But what does that do to murdermusic?

(01:51:47):
You cannibalized murder musicby this time, because now you're
talking about taking awayprobably the biggest song that
made murder music what it was.
The other thing to that was,remember AG.
These albums were gettingpushed because murder music also
had Quiet Storm on thesoundtrack.
It was more into deepsoundtrack.

(01:52:08):
When you get a song on thesoundtrack, what does it do for
you?
And plus, they play it in amovie.
So now you're talking aboutanother booster.
Yeah, right, it's being played.
They play like two songs, twoor three songs off of Murder
Music on the Into Deep song inthe actual movie itself.

Speaker 1 (01:52:28):
Yeah, I think that can help you or hurt you to your
point.
Because Keep it Thorough wetalked about this before.
By the time H&IC comes out forthat to be the first single, it
was already bastardized as asong from the backstage
soundtrack.
We talk about singles runningtheir course.

(01:52:48):
Keep it Thorough had alreadyran its course by the time HNIC
came out.

Speaker 2 (01:52:54):
Yeah, michael Brown, people asking about Ola Oviton
Blueprint in the chat asking wasit really trash?

Speaker 4 (01:53:02):
Yeah, it's a skip it's trash.
It's a skip.

Speaker 2 (01:53:06):
That was one of Timbal's.
That was one of his bad beats.

Speaker 1 (01:53:10):
Yeah, people always want to talk about Braveheart
Party, like they try todiscredit Nas and be like yo
Still Maddox Five Mice.
But Braveheart Party thoughJigga, that nigga, jigga is
worse or on the same level asBraveheart Party.

Speaker 2 (01:53:24):
Yeah, jigga, my nigga was bad.

Speaker 1 (01:53:26):
Yeah, and then my second least favorite song on on
Still Madica Smokin', but Iwould take Smokin' over.
Hola Jovito.

Speaker 2 (01:53:38):
I love Smokin'.
I love Smokin'.
Yeah, yeah, I love Smokin'.

Speaker 1 (01:53:41):
I can't front like I was a big fan of that.
I wasn't a big fan, but I'mtaking it over.
Hola Jovito, all day, every day.

Speaker 2 (01:53:46):
I was listening to that a lot.
Cj the Kid wanted to know AG,do you think Murder Music is
better than Hell on Earth?
Hell, no.

Speaker 1 (01:53:54):
No Hell on Earth is their best album to me.

Speaker 2 (01:53:56):
I think Rap and Wise.
I think it's their best album,Rap and Wise.

Speaker 1 (01:54:01):
I think Havoc's production is better on there.
For me, the Infamous has higher.
You know Shook Ones.
Part 2 Eye for an Eye, survivalof the Fittest Light.
The highs are crazy, high right, but it's just something about
Hell on Earth, man like.
I've been playing that a lotthis winter.
I've been playing a lot of WarReport and Hell on Earth because

(01:54:23):
it fits.

Speaker 2 (01:54:24):
It fits the, you know fits the winter, I still go
with Murder Music.

Speaker 1 (01:54:29):
I think Murder Music to me you think murder music is
better than both hell on earthand infamous?

Speaker 2 (01:54:35):
barely.

Speaker 1 (01:54:37):
I don't know if I've ever heard anybody say that
barely, I think, because murdermusic.

Speaker 2 (01:54:41):
They brought it full circle.
I think it's the mostsuccessful album they ever had,
for a reason, I think becausethey brought it full circle.
But you're pulling hairs.
I mean, you're pulling hairs,you're talking about infamous
hell on earth and murder music.
You're literally pulling hairs,you mean splitting hairs.
I say pulling hairs.
That's what I'm from.
I'm called pulling hairs.

Speaker 1 (01:54:59):
But that sounds kind of weird though, Don't you think
?

Speaker 2 (01:55:02):
In West Virginia.
It may sound weird, but I saypulling hairs In West Virginia.
Y'all might me splitting hairsor pulling popsicles.
I don't know, I don't promisethey're pulling hairs, because
you're pulling your hair and youdon't know which one you want
to pick, so you're just pullinghairs, you quit trying to flip
it.

Speaker 1 (01:55:18):
But I don't think I've ever heard anybody say that
about murder music, because Ithink, but not discrediting it.
But I say they have threeclassics.
But people that usually say,okay, two in a possible Murder
Music was always the possible.

Speaker 2 (01:55:33):
You feel what I'm saying.
I'm about to listen to them alltogether, but I still think
that Murder Music was thecompletion.
I think Murder Music is thefull circle piece to all of it.
That it is, and I think,because it has that variety and
it has that full circle, I thinkfrom front to end.
Pause.
To me it comes off better.
I think the highs on Hell onEarth is really P's rhyming.

(01:55:58):
He's in such a pocket thateverything he was blazing,
everything the highs on Infamousis you got an anthem Murder
Music.
You got an anthem Right, murderMusic.
You got all of that, but it'snot as loud as you would get
with.
You know the Infamous and youknow Silk Ones and all of that.

(01:56:21):
It's the most versatilitythey've shown.
It has more range.
It has more range Because QuietStorm might be better than
anything off of Hell, on Earthand off of Infamous.
Would you agree, or?

Speaker 1 (01:56:34):
disagree with that Hell on Earth.
Yes, it's not better than ShookOne's Part 2.

Speaker 2 (01:56:42):
Shook One's Part 2 is a pivotal part of hip-hop.

Speaker 1 (01:56:46):
Nah, sean, I think that's where it stops In Mobb
Deep's catalog.
If I'm ranking the greatestMobb Deep's catalog, if I'm
saying if I'm ranking thegreatest Mobb Deep songs of all
time, shook One's Part 2 mightbe the only one ahead of Quiet
Storm bro.

Speaker 4 (01:57:02):
You might be right yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:57:07):
Interesting, but I had this point I wanted to make.
I want to ask you no-transcriptgonna make it?

(01:57:36):
Oh, real quick point we gonnamake.
It's one of the greatest songsof all time.
I think it's alchemist's bestbeat, you know.
For a lot of people that don'tknow another fun fact he um had
agreed to give the song to nazand then then Nas left town and
then came back and said that hechanged his mind because he was
working on his album I'massuming it's still Matic and he

(01:57:59):
changed his mind and said hewanted to give the beat to
Nashawn.
And then Alchemist said nah,I'm going to take that back, not
give it to Millennium Thug.
And then he ended up playing itfor, uh, jay.
Jay turned it down in person inreal time and then, jay, it
landed in jada kiss's hands.
You know as great as jay z andnazar.

(01:58:21):
I don't think they could havedid that track any more service
than what jada kiss and stylesdid on there.
It landed where it was supposedto be in the right hands, and
stuff like that alwaysfascinates me.
Like you know, a track that wassupposed to be in the right
hands and stuff like that alwaysfascinates me.
Like you know a track that wassupposed to be somebody else's.
So I think that's pretty crazy.
Um, for prodigy, you mentionedthis the single lineup is kind

(01:58:41):
of shaky.
You got keep it thorough, whichwas already bastardized by the
time the album comes out.
You got, uh, um, the Genesis.
You, you got the Genesis, youknow what I'm saying which is
not really single worthy.
It's a dope album cut, but Idon't know if it's a single, you
know what I mean, but it was asingle.
And then you got YBE with BG,which is trying to get that

(01:59:02):
self-reach.
I wasn't a fan of YBE.
Did you like that?
One Didn't like it.

Speaker 2 (01:59:08):
I didn't like it.
I didn't want to hear Prodigyon that with BG and BG was on
fire at that time.
No pun intended, he was Morecrazy.

Speaker 1 (01:59:17):
He was Now for meth.
You got Bring the Pain, whichis an all-time classic record.
Yes, you got Release your Delph, which, oh my goodness, release
your Delph.
When the album was out as bigas Bring the Pain was, release
your Delph was my favorite song.

Speaker 2 (01:59:34):
Oh my goodness, release your Delph was crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:59:35):
It made me want to box Like for real, which I did,
used to box a little bit.
So for those of y'all out there, I got hands, just so you know.
So, you know what I mean?
I I don't know, but anyway, andthen they had All I Need remix
which is like Out of here.

Speaker 2 (01:59:56):

Speaker 1 (01:59:58):
Like you said, the original was what it was.
Yeah, the remix came out,glossed it up and it was out of
here and it's one of thegreatest collaboration songs,
hip-hop, r&b, collab and remixesof all time.
It's just one of the greatestof all time period.
So out of those three, I thinkeven though it's not on the

(02:00:18):
album remixes, you know what I'msaying.
That was on maxi singles orwhatever still pushed your album
sales back then.
But I think, based on thesingle list, I think Meth was
set up for the most success withhis single run.
What do you say, Sean?

Speaker 2 (02:00:35):
I think Meth had the most impact off of his single
run.
I think that Kiss' impact was.
I think it pales in comparisonto Meth's impact Because, like
you just mentioned, you'retalking about a song with Mary
on it, when Mary's one of thehottest things out there.
Right?

(02:00:55):
This is a song that's played inweddings Big facts.
I did it.
Right, that's the first one youdance off of right.
So when you got that going onfor yourself, come on, you
transcended.
And didn't he win a grammy?

Speaker 1 (02:01:16):
yes, that won a grammy.
Yep, sure did.
Um, we gonna make it, thoughthey worked that late.
That was like the last singlerelease.
If they would have worked thatsingle earlier, we might be
having a different conversationabout the success of that album.
Because they worked it late andit caught so much fire they
ended up doubling back with theremix and throwing Eve on that.

(02:01:38):
You remember they messed it upwhen they did that, okay, but
anyway, we're going to make it.
If they would have worked thatearlier on, I think that would
have been more successful forJada's singles.
But I just thought that wasinteresting.
But meth is the right answer.
It's the right answer.

Speaker 2 (02:01:59):
for sure you got to do meth.
I'm sure Guys in the chat tellus what y'all think.
Who had the best setup withtheir singles.

Speaker 1 (02:02:05):
And speaking of Mary.
Speaking of Mary, I talkedabout how it looked kind of
funny that DMX wasn't on.
We Are the Streets.

Speaker 2 (02:02:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:02:14):
Mary helped.
Mary kind of discovered a lot.
She's Yonkers.
You don't have Mary on.
We Are the Streets or Kiss theGame, goodbye.

Speaker 2 (02:02:21):
No.

Speaker 1 (02:02:22):
Does a Mary feature change either one of those
albums?

Speaker 2 (02:02:25):
I think it does, because I think again, it goes
right back to the publication.
What they were saying about weAre the Streets.
They said the focus was toomuch on getting back at Puff.
So if you're distracted by thatand you got D&Y, you got Swizz
in that room telling you yeah,there's stuff all over you,
let's get it, let's get it,let's be aggressive.

(02:02:45):
You're taking away the elementsthat can probably give you more
range on a lox album on a first.
On a second album um, becauseyou could have had a mary joint
on that.
You couldn't have an x joint onthat, right.
Um, I like the fact that it didseparate and had everyone had
their solo joint on that album.
I thought that was dope.

(02:03:06):
Everyone had their own, nochamber to go to.
But the focus now we're talkingabout it in real time.
If we're talking about it nowin hindsight, I think it's the
focus that threw it off.

Speaker 1 (02:03:19):
Yeah man, this was dope man.
This is probably the longestwe've ever spent on a Discord
dialogue segment and that was adope convo for real yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:03:26):
shout out to the Discord man.
Shout out to the discord man.
Shout out to the hip hop talksdiscord.
If you're not part of the hiphop talks discord, you've got to
tap in.
You've got to tap in these guys,hip hop heads, women, the hip
hop heads talk about hip hoplife, everything all day, every
day.
We got people from you knowother countries that's in the

(02:03:47):
discord, so it's like it'scontinuous and we be politicking
.
We politic on hip-hop and lifeall the time.
Good stuff.
We even share some you knowbackstories on things that we
may not share here on youtube.
But, um, yeah, shout out to thediscord, sure what you want to
do, man, you want to go into ourpress play and we just, you

(02:04:07):
know, table the uh no, let's doit, let's do it real quick,
because we got it on thethumbnail, then we'll do that
and then do the press play.

Speaker 1 (02:04:14):
We can go through it fast.
You know I'm saying we don'twant to.
You know I'm saying pump, fake,fake the listeners.
So you know I'm saying yeah,let's, let's, let's go into it.
We can address that real quick.
Get our main topic on um.
You know, uh, with theresurgence of some of the elder
statesmen MCs in rap, we startedhaving a conversation about um

(02:04:38):
who were some of the top currentMCs over 40, you know what I
mean.
And shout out to J Cole.
I mentioned it earlier.
Um, j Cole just turned 40 onone January 28th and he shares a
birthday with Rakim.
You know Rakim is one of theOG's that's still putting out
music to this day.
And we started you know me,sean, and Coop, and shout out to

(02:05:00):
Andrew just talking about thescene behind the scenes, about
some of the best rappers who areover 40.
And I don't know about you,sean.
I think we all have like adifferent rubric as far as
coming up with our personal toptens.
Um, I'm gonna just run throughmine real quick.
What I said.
My rubric was like, if I'mconsidering you current, you

(02:05:24):
know, above 40 rapper, you hadto release an album in the 2020s
within the last four to fiveyears.
So that's a prerequisite to beconsidered on my list.
So have to have a full projectin the 2020s.
Another thing I had as arequirement if you just turned
40, right, if you just turned 40recently, what is your resume

(02:05:48):
since turning 40?
Okay, so, like say, for instance, somebody on my list if they're
42, you know what I mean.
What have they done over thelast couple of years?
You know what I mean, causethey might've been cooking when
they was 38 or 39, but what havethey done you know what I'm
saying In the last two years?
And the guys that's in theirfifties or whatnot you know

(02:06:11):
that's too much catalog toconsider what they've done in
their 40s, but I'm more soreserved that for the guys that
just turned 40.
You know what have they donesince crossing that threshold
and then also had degree ofdifficulty.
We just had a dope LL album lastyear, you know, while he was 56
, 57 years old.

(02:06:31):
So at that, putting out a dopealbum, at that clip, right you
rank.
It made you rank high on mylist because the degree of
difficulty to still being beingable to put out something that
sounds good, sounds fresh, atthat age, is harder to do than
somebody who's maybe in theirlower 40s.

(02:06:52):
So degree of difficulty issomething I consider.
And then, whatever you didsince you're 40 plus, if it
garnered any major notoriety,critical acclaim, major sales,
or if it just moved the hip hopneedle in any way in your 40s,
if it wasn't, like you know,just a tree fell in the forest

(02:07:14):
and nobody heard it kind ofthing, then you know I based it
on all those factors.
So that's my rubric.
Did you have anything specificfor yours?

Speaker 2 (02:07:24):
Not really.
I was going off a few, ok,that's fair.
I was going what?

Speaker 1 (02:07:29):
I feel Okay.
So you want me to go with minefirst, or you want to do yours
first?

Speaker 2 (02:07:34):
No, go with yours.
I want to submit this in parttwo, if we can, because we do.
We're going to challenge Koopon some of his because I know he
had an interesting list.
Okay, I don't want to disregardthat if we don't have to.

Speaker 1 (02:07:49):
Okay For sure.
So for my number 10, I wentback and forth cause I didn't
know, you know who to put inthis 10th spot, but I ended up
landing on Lupe and, granted, hedidn't put out anything that
had any major notoriety you knowwhat I'm saying or it maybe

(02:08:10):
didn't move the needle so much,but and lupe's 42, by the way
but I feel like drill music andzion back in 2022 and samurai in
2024 are really dope albumsthat not a whole lot of people
talk about.
They get looked over a lot, buthis resume since turning 40
with those two albums, I think,is something you know not to

(02:08:31):
overlook.
I think he's still putting outhigh quality music.
He's a spitter, so you know,and he won a battle in his 40s
against Royce.
The Five Nine sent him to theshadow realm.
So I had Lupe as my 10th spot.
At the number nine spot, I hadJadakiss, who we talked about
earlier in the show.
Ninth spot I had Jadakiss, whowe talked about earlier in the

(02:08:56):
show.
Jadakiss is 49 years old.
As far as the last five years,the only albums on his resume is
Ignatius in 2020, which I thinkis his most personal album and
it's a solid effort.
But the reason why he's here isbecause of his performance on
the Versus.
You know what I mean To be ableto move the crowd like that, to
capture everyone, to have amajor hip-hop moment of that

(02:09:19):
magnitude at that age, it's kindof impressive.
There's nothing short ofamazing.
That's like I mean you in thegarden.
That's like being in thetwilight of your basketball
career.
That's like LeBron, you in thegarden, that's like being in the
twilight of your basketballcareer.
That's like LeBron going in thegarden and dropping 50.
You know what I'm saying Likeit's really impressive that he
did that and it might arguablybe the greatest moment of his

(02:09:42):
career.
And he can say that that camelike in his later years, in the
twilight of his career.
So I got him in number nine,like in his later years and
that's why his career.
So I got him in number nine.
Number eight I got killer Mikewith uh, he was 49 years old.
Listen, michael is a greatalbum.
It got a lot of notoriety, wona Grammy.
I don't hold it as high as manypeople did, but the notoriety

(02:10:05):
and the critical acclaim he gotoff that album this late in his
career, I couldn't deny thatMichael really moved the needle.
Number seven we talked abouthim earlier.
I got Method man, who's 53 yearsold.
He dropped Meth Lab Season 3 in2022, which was an okay album,

(02:10:25):
but he's here, more so, basedoff his features.
His feature run over the pasthandful of years has been crazy.
Method man has been blazingeverything.
He's here, more so, based offhis features.
You know, his feature run overthe past handful of years has
been crazy.
Like Method man has beenblazing everything he's been on.
My number six is here forsimilar reasons.
I got Lil Wayne, who's 42.
He released Sorry for the Waitin 2022, fixed Before the 6th in

(02:10:46):
2023.
But he's on my number six on mymy list.
More so, predicated on hisfeatures, he's still rapping at
a high level, blazing everyfeature that he's on.
Um number five I got.
I got conway.
Um, I'm not even gonna list allthe projects that conway then
came out with.
Uh, conway stay dropping music,but he's 42 and I think he's

(02:11:10):
know.
Even though he's a little bitolder, he's still one of the
best MCs we got in this game,currently Number four spot.
I got Common, who is 52 yearsold, who just put out an album
with a lot of critical acclaimand notoriety, which is the
auditorium volume one with PeteRock.
And my number three spot goesto LL for the degree of
difficulty 57 years old, he putout the Force last year with

(02:11:33):
Q-Tip Dope album, super dopealbum.
And for LL to be able to dothat, not only at his age but
for somebody who's been in thegame since 1985, the degree of
difficulty is crazy, right?
Number two on my spot on mylist is Freddie Gibbs, who is 42
years old.
Gibbs' catalog is super dope.

(02:11:55):
Since turning 40, gibbs put outSoul, soul separately and you
Only Die Once, which I considerboth to be very, very great
albums.
Wouldn't call them classics,but they're up there.
And number one on my list, forobvious reasons, is Nas Escobar,
51 years old.
The hit boy run in the 2020s.
You know he released six albumsin a span of three years.

(02:12:17):
I mean, I've already done waxpoetic about that so many times.
If you know, you already know,so I don't got to say much about
that.
That's my list, yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:12:26):
Mine is similar to yours and I'll just keep it real
brief.
Number one you know what it isnas, nas, nas, nas um.
Number two I got common um forhim to still be rhyming at a
high level.
You know, again, common neverdisappoints with the rhyme, so
you can't go wrong with commonregardless.
Um, I got l uh l.

(02:12:47):
Number three, for obviousreasons being being able to come
back with a phenomenal album in2024 is very impressive.
For him to be that long in thegame, that far in the game and
just still putting out goodalbums is ridiculous.
It's crazy.
I got Kiss on there, of course,at no 4.
I got Push at no 5.
I put Future in there, man, Igot Future in there at no.

(02:13:10):
I got Future in there at numbersix Future.
And again, this is I'm growingup, because a few years ago I'm
laughing at myself if I putFuture on any kind of hip-hop
list.
But I'm growing.
Pause and Future had what?
Three albums last year.

Speaker 1 (02:13:28):
He's still working.
He's about to drop anothermixtape.

Speaker 2 (02:13:30):
Drop another one.
You got to give Future respect.
I got Em on here.
You got to give Em credit.
He's still one of those.
That album wasn't a bad albumat all.
I don't go back to it much, butit's not a bad album.
But Em is still Em.
I got Meth and I got red and Igot Wayne and Round it Out.

Speaker 1 (02:13:53):
That's all I list.
That's mine.
Shout out to Red for puttingout a dope project.

Speaker 2 (02:13:59):
Indeed, indeed.
We definitely got to do a parttwo so we can get on the socials
and get on everything with Coopon it.
I have his list right here, butI'm not going to speak on his
behalf because I know he'sprobably going to want to get
into more details on his.
But yeah, we definitely need toget Coop on to talk about his
portion of it as well.

Speaker 1 (02:14:16):
No, doubt we can go rock the press play, bro, we can
get up out of here.

Speaker 2 (02:14:21):
LP.
I got Push on mine.
I got Push at number five onmine LP.
Me forgot about him.

Speaker 1 (02:14:28):
Push was an honorable mention for me, like, the only
thing he's dropped in the 2020sis, uh, it's almost dry, and I
think that was a very good album.
I mean, it wasn't Daytona, butit was a very good album.
But outside of you know,releasing that, he's been
relatively quiet.
I know we got the cliffs albumupcoming, but he's been

(02:14:51):
relatively quiet the last fewyears.
This almost dry came out and,uh, was it 21 or 22?
I want to say it was 22, yeah,but he's been quiet for the last
couple years.
So that's the only reason whyhe didn't make my list.
But I had him written down asan honorable mention.
Um, another honorable mention Ihad real quick.
I had, you know, game.
You know he had definitely uh,the joint with, uh, you know,

(02:15:13):
big hit the paisley dreams andhad drillmatic.
I had deck as the honorablemention.
That's one of that tree fallsin the forest.
Nobody hears it, but if you'renot tapped into czar face, you
know what I mean.
Deck is working.
They put out projects all thetime and deck is still spitting
at a high level.
Black Thought you know BlackThought is Black Thought, with

(02:15:35):
Cheat Codes.
Joints like that had Eminem.
I'm still always going to be anEminem fan.
The Coupe de Gras Death of SlimShady I think it was a solid
release.
Then I had AZ.
Az, doe or Die.
2 was a solid project.
So those are just my honorablementions.
That just didn't quite make mylist.

Speaker 2 (02:15:53):
Yeah, alright, cool, cool.
So let's get into our pressplay.
For those of you who's new, wedo a press playlist every week
Myself, aj and Kool.
We would share the songs thatwe were playing in our tape deck
, if you will, this past week.
We try to come with a themeevery now and then, depending on

(02:16:15):
what the vibrations or thesoundscape look like for us.
I'm going to name off what Coopdid for his press play to kick
it off, ag.
Then I go into you and I Cooppress play.
This week he was on some somewild stuff Cause he started out
with the home.
I don't know what could bethinking about half of the time,

(02:16:37):
but anybody who know Coop, coopbeing a whole different mindset
half of the time.
But Coop started his pressplaylist with three, six mafia
who run it.
He also had Nipsey hustledouble up on Snoopop, pimp slap
Diddy and the family victory,and he also finished it off with
C-Murder down for my you know.

(02:16:59):
So that's Coop's press play forthe week and we also want to
put this on Twitter and in theDiscord and we always encourage
you all to tag onto that Twitterhandle and put your press
playlist as well out there.

Speaker 1 (02:17:13):
So, ag let's start with you.
Yeah, me and Sean kind ofcollaborated on our press play
because we wanted to paint thepicture of, like, what was going
on around that time and wetalked about this early in the
show leading up to.
We talked about the anniversaryof we Are the Streets and what
that meant leading up to thesolo debut of Jadakiss and the

(02:17:38):
buzz that was surroundingJadakiss at that time in 2000
and 2001.
So for my list, my list kind ofstarts off where the locks
first come to rough riders andwe're leading up to we are the
streets.
The anticipation is building.
They had to let the locks gocampaign and now we know it's

(02:18:00):
official they're all roughriders.
So the first thing that theyreally put out to give that
official stamp and plant thatflag in the ground is on the
Rough Riders Volume 1compilation album, which is Ride
or Die.
You know the opening track toset it off, which is a banging
posse cut.
What a way to kick it off.

(02:18:21):
You got the whole camp on there.
You got DMX.
You got the locks.
You got Drag On.
You got Eve Everybody you knowwhat I'm saying spitting on for
Brooklyn there.
So what a way to kick thatcompilation off, which is a
crazy dope that never getstalked about.
But this compilation album isfire okay, another song off the
compilation Still to this day.

(02:18:43):
My favorite song where KISS andStyles do the in-and-out flow
on is Dope Money.
I think as good as we GonnaMake it is.
And other records where they dothe in and out flow on is Dope
Money, I think as good as weGonna Make it is.
And other records where they dothe in and out flow.
Dope Money is my personalfavorite.
They just spit and venom onthere.
Love this record, this recordright here, as far as at that

(02:19:05):
time it really got theanticipation up before the locks
out.
Next after that, also on thecompilation Rough Riders Ride or
Die, volume 1, kiss of Death.
This is the first joint sincecoming over to Rough Riders
where we hear Kiss solo.
You know.
So he had a solo record, youknow what I mean on the we Are

(02:19:27):
the Streets sorry, not the weAre the Streets, but on the
Money Powerets.
Sorry, not the we Are theStreets, but on the Money Power
Respect album.
But this is his first onecoming over to Rough Riders
where we say, okay, we finallygot a, you know, a KISS solo
record and J to the Wild Hustle,cloak Ride or Die KISS Hand
Wash Money, let it Drip, drop,like the anticipation around

(02:19:48):
KISS' solo album, like if youwasn't there for it.
I'm trying to tell you he wasthe most anticipated artist in
the game at this time, 1000%,don't let nobody tell you any
different.
Like he really was.
And then after that I gotScenario 2000 off of off of
Eve's record.

(02:20:09):
Okay, as posse cuts go, this isone of my favorite posse cuts of
all time, like they all spazand go crazy.
And what's even more satisfyingabout this record?
In those times you know RZAused to do this a lot with
Wu-Tang records he'd play like asnippet of something and then

(02:20:32):
the beat would change and he'dbe like what the hell?
And then you'd hear that songtwo albums later or whatever on
different, like guillotines, youknow what I'm saying.
Guillotines on Cuban Link.
You heard on Takao, snippet on.
And Link, you know what I mean.
You heard on to Cal, you know,snippet on.
So when Jigga, my Nigga come outon the Rough Riders compilation

(02:20:56):
soundtrack, the beat that Swizzdoes at the beginning is hard.
Then it switches to what weknow the song to be.
But then Swizz, doubled backand this is the you know the
first beat that plays on Jiggamy Nigga the whole, you know
what I'm.
That plays on Jacob my niggathe whole you know I'm saying
the whole song but plays outthat beat and I just love this
as a posse cut.
And this lets you know that thelocks are home.

(02:21:16):
This is where they're supposedto be.
And then the last track I goton my press play is Jada's solo
joint from the album we Are theStreets Blood Pressure.
I mean, what can I say?
This is just spitting at anall-time high level, classic
record, one of the best jointson that album, top five easily.
And that's setting the stagefor Jada's solo album.

(02:21:38):
We're leading up, we're warmingup.

Speaker 2 (02:21:41):
So, sean, you got it from here play was more around
the anticipation of Kiss.
We talked about it tonight.
We talked about the lead up toKiss the Game Goodbye.
And, if you can remember, evenaround the time of we Are the
Streets and right after we Arethe Streets, jada had about a

(02:22:02):
year to ramp up for Kiss theGame Goodbye.
So my press play representsthat and the first song that I
had off of mine was the Mayafeaturing Kiss.
Best of Me.
Of course we know the storybehind that.
Kiss killed this record.
Jay came behind and did theremix and changed everything

(02:22:22):
forever.
I ain't gonna lie, I like theremix a bit better.
I'm not gonna lie.
Jay did come through on that.
Jay stunned it.

Speaker 1 (02:22:29):
He stunned it on that right the regular joint is a 10
out of 10, like you think itlike.

Speaker 2 (02:22:33):
There's no way nothing can outdo that, but yeah
, but it was, that was one ofone.
Um then kiss also being able tobe on the joint world war three
and I've always felt like thiswas kiss letting people know
that he was about to get ramp upa little bit more for his album
off the rough rider 2compilation and World War III to
me I was overseas when WorldWar III was really going crazy

(02:22:56):
and I remember every time theKISS verse came on my whole crew
would get around me and have mespit that verse because we're
overseas, so these songsrepresent your regions.
And every time KISS verse wouldcome on, my whole crew would
get around me and I would justdo that verse and to me I
thought that was KISS.

(02:23:17):
He killed that verse.
I mean, he actually stole theshow to me.
He did the show on World WarIII.

Speaker 1 (02:23:22):
He did States his name Gangsta, yeah, when he
representing Like it would soundcrazy like west virginia west
virginia dog like real talk.
This is a top five.
Swiss beat as well, I think itis it is.

Speaker 2 (02:23:38):
Yeah, um, my other one, go ahead.
This was another one.
Jada kiss went crazy on goahead.
To me I think go ahead is isprobably right behind LFU.
Coming out the gate.
Go Ahead is me the second bestsong on that album, right after
LFU.
But I love that joint.

Speaker 1 (02:24:00):
He gives a little preview.
He said they're looking for mysolo album, like Kennedy Jr,
like that boy right there.

Speaker 2 (02:24:06):
Crazy, yeah, crazy man.
Then he came back and he did afreestyle.
He did a freestyle and thatfreestyle was on the dj clue
joint.
If you guys can remember, itwas the professional two, him
and mary, and they flipped thatwhole joint and, um, I think
this was the song, ag, that ledup to kiss.

(02:24:28):
Actually, um, this was a songwe heard, g, that led up to Kiss
.
Actually, this was the song weheard before.
We heard the release singleit's the game.
Goodbye, yep.
I think I'm missing one.
I think I am missing one.
Which one did you miss?
I'm missing one, two, three,four.

(02:24:52):
I think I ain't missing one.
I don't know what y'all aremissing, though.

Speaker 1 (02:24:57):
You said the Maya joint Yep.
Then you had World War III.
Go ahead, go ahead.

Speaker 2 (02:25:07):
My name is Kiss.
My name is Kiss.
That's the one I was missing.

Speaker 1 (02:25:11):
Yeah that's the one.
That's the one of volume two aswell.
Yeah, absolutely, he wasspitting crazy on there too.

Speaker 2 (02:25:17):
Crazy on that, crazy on that.
But that's the playlist.
Again, we post a playlist onall of our socials.
We put it on the YouTubecommunity.
We also put it on Twitter, sofollow us on Twitter community.
We also put it on Twitter, sofollow us on Twitter, follow us
on YouTube, follow us in theDiscord.
Come into the Discord and chatit up with us.
Again, it's continuous.
The crew is in there.

(02:25:38):
We got LB, we got Eppens, wegot Tri Boogie, we got Jack, we
got Double.
We got some thorough ones outthere in that Discord and all
day we talk hip-hop.
All day we've been droppingjewels and everything and
debating each other and sharingmore stories around hip hop.
If you're new to the showtonight, thank you for pulling

(02:26:01):
up, but we will ask that yousubscribe.
We ask that you like and youshare if you like the content.
Tonight we've been doing this.
This is our 54th episode.
On thursday nights it's myself,sean, ag and coop.
On thursday nights we got someother joints that we are lining
up right now as well.

(02:26:22):
Um, watch out for coop showcoming out real soon on rap.
That's going to be coming outreally, really soon.
Um, ag and myself are workingon a project as well.
Shout out to Elva.
Shout out to LB on that project.
Shout out to Mirror Music aswell.
Shout out to our man, andrewfrom Mirror Music.
Shout out to the engineer,tripe Diesel, right there.
Shout out to CJ the Kid.

(02:26:43):
All of those who rock with uson day.
Ones from Station Head all theway over to here.
We appreciate you all, please.
Ones from Stationhead all theway over to here.
We appreciate you all.
Please do not forget to like,share, subscribe, plug in to us,
we'll plug in to you.
Pauls, and we got some great Igot to say that and we got some
other good stuff lined up fory'all.
Ag, what you got for the peopleas we get out of here.

Speaker 1 (02:27:05):
You said it all, man.
This is the road to 2K man.
Make it all man.
This is the road to 2K man.
Make it happen.
Y'all Like, subscribe, share,that's it Like subscribe share.

Speaker 2 (02:27:11):
Like subscribe share.

Speaker 1 (02:27:13):
Keep the homie cooping your prayers, please,
definitely.

Speaker 2 (02:27:16):
Keep cooping your prayers.
He got some personal thingsgoing on right now, but keep him
in your prayers and we'll seey'all real soon.
Peace, y'all, Peace.

Speaker 4 (02:27:32):
Appreciate it.

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